hello everyone today I'm sitting here hello everyone today I'm sitting here hello everyone today I'm sitting here with my friend Ray cronies Ray is a with my friend Ray cronies Ray is a with my friend Ray cronies Ray is a former NASA scientist and he is a former NASA scientist and he is a former NASA scientist and he is a co-founder of zero gravity Rey is known co-founder of zero gravity Rey is known co-founder of zero gravity Rey is known for popularizing using mild cold stress for popularizing using mild cold stress for popularizing using mild cold stress as a tool for weight loss and he as a tool for weight loss and he as a tool for weight loss and he recently did something completely crazy recently did something completely crazy recently did something completely crazy he has just completed a 21-day medically he has just completed a 21-day medically he has just completed a 21-day medically supervised water fast supervised water fast supervised water fast so what's up Ray how's it going well so what's up Ray how's it going well so what's up Ray how's it going well
a company I had in between there uh for a company I had in between there uh for about eight years about eight years about eight years uh and uh yeah I I was I was type 2 uh and uh yeah I I was I was type 2 uh and uh yeah I I was I was type 2 diabetic basically I had high diabetic basically I had high diabetic basically I had high cholesterol I had issues I lost my cholesterol I had issues I lost my cholesterol I had issues I lost my weight doing the cold stress and weight doing the cold stress and weight doing the cold stress and everybody's read my story on that and everybody's read my story on that and everybody's read my story on that and you know it's in Tim ferriss's four-hour you know it's in Tim ferriss's four-hour you know it's in Tim ferriss's four-hour body and and Ted Talk out Ted Med talk body and and Ted Talk out Ted Med talk body and and Ted Talk out Ted Med talk out there but even when I lost weight out there but even when I lost weight out there but even when I lost weight um all those things still didn't fix so
not only as a medical modality that they not only as a medical modality that they were actually getting better things that were actually getting better things that were actually getting better things that get better at the facility I'm here get better at the facility I'm here get better at the facility I'm here people are lowering their blood pressure people are lowering their blood pressure people are lowering their blood pressure dramatically uh dealing with diabetes dramatically uh dealing with diabetes dramatically uh dealing with diabetes dealing with eczema you know I had a a dealing with eczema you know I had a a dealing with eczema you know I had a a guy who was a suite mate hunro from guy who was a suite mate hunro from guy who was a suite mate hunro from South Africa that was with me for a South Africa that was with me for a South Africa that was with me for a couple you know he was fasting he was couple you know he was fasting he was couple you know he was fasting he was there for a couple days he's gone back there for a couple days he's gone back there for a couple days he's gone back but you know fix his eczema completely
day fast you know were there any vitamin day fast you know were there any vitamin mineral supplements like right along mineral supplements like right along mineral supplements like right along with that no and that's a surprising with that no and that's a surprising with that no and that's a surprising thing I'll show you my nutrient panel thing I'll show you my nutrient panel thing I'll show you my nutrient panel even lastly with 14 days uh my vitamin D even lastly with 14 days uh my vitamin D even lastly with 14 days uh my vitamin D went up uh didn't go down because I was went up uh didn't go down because I was went up uh didn't go down because I was in sunny California laying in the Sun in sunny California laying in the Sun in sunny California laying in the Sun but it's beautiful uh none I wasn't but it's beautiful uh none I wasn't but it's beautiful uh none I wasn't deficient in anything everything all my deficient in anything everything all my deficient in anything everything all my bullet panels turned out normal uh on bullet panels turned out normal uh on bullet panels turned out normal uh on day seven I did a around-the-clock amino
that are not essential for short-term that are not essential for short-term survival so if you're deficient in it survival so if you're deficient in it survival so if you're deficient in it you know it it doesn't matter right now you know it it doesn't matter right now you know it it doesn't matter right now because it's not needed right now it's because it's not needed right now it's because it's not needed right now it's needed for a long-term survival it's needed for a long-term survival it's needed for a long-term survival it's needed to repair damage that's needed to repair damage that's needed to repair damage that's constantly happening right it's needed constantly happening right it's needed constantly happening right it's needed to prevent things like cancer to prevent things like cancer to prevent things like cancer Alzheimer's disease so the question of Alzheimer's disease so the question of Alzheimer's disease so the question of deficiency in of itself I think needs to deficiency in of itself I think needs to deficiency in of itself I think needs to be challenged I think we don't really
and more mechanistically and now we've and more mechanistically and now we've spread that to all the blogs and they're spread that to all the blogs and they're spread that to all the blogs and they're peeling the onion but every now and then peeling the onion but every now and then peeling the onion but every now and then they you know cut off and forget half of they you know cut off and forget half of they you know cut off and forget half of it they just sort of put these technical it they just sort of put these technical it they just sort of put these technical words out there words out there words out there but how do we bring it back to look at but how do we bring it back to look at but how do we bring it back to look at something more comprehensive how do we something more comprehensive how do we something more comprehensive how do we look at Health span you know before we look at Health span you know before we look at Health span you know before we lengthen life we need to lengthen Health lengthen life we need to lengthen Health lengthen life we need to lengthen Health span and I'm saying that
have a limited if we look at this as a have a limited if we look at this as a budget budget thing more people may budget budget thing more people may budget budget thing more people may relate to if you're at a budget you'll relate to if you're at a budget you'll relate to if you're at a budget you'll barely making enough each month every barely making enough each month every barely making enough each month every dollar counts dollar counts dollar counts but the the value of a hundred dollars but the the value of a hundred dollars but the the value of a hundred dollars to me and a billionaire is still is to me and a billionaire is still is to me and a billionaire is still is still a hundred dollars still a hundred dollars still a hundred dollars so the point is is that every dollar so the point is is that every dollar so the point is is that every dollar counts the closer you get to what you're counts the closer you get to what you're counts the closer you get to what you're meeting your needs are so this idea of
science dietary restriction doesn't science dietary restriction doesn't doesn't refer to the extreme type of doesn't refer to the extreme type of doesn't refer to the extreme type of restriction that you just underwear can restriction that you just underwear can restriction that you just underwear can I make good real quick let me let me I make good real quick let me let me I make good real quick let me let me explain how I tell people about this explain how I tell people about this explain how I tell people about this because because because um before I started doing this research um before I started doing this research um before I started doing this research the way I saw it was over nutrition too the way I saw it was over nutrition too the way I saw it was over nutrition too much normal diet much normal diet much normal diet deficient under nutrition that's what deficient under nutrition that's what deficient under nutrition that's what was in my head
don't I don't know that we know where don't I don't know that we know where that upper limit is but I know that from that upper limit is but I know that from that upper limit is but I know that from a calorie perspective and I hate to use a calorie perspective and I hate to use a calorie perspective and I hate to use that word too because it's misused a lot that word too because it's misused a lot that word too because it's misused a lot and then there's people that even and then there's people that even and then there's people that even question it and we can talk about that question it and we can talk about that question it and we can talk about that in a minute but in a minute but in a minute but um um um we certainly are overnourished from just we certainly are overnourished from just we certainly are overnourished from just a calorie density perspective absolutely a calorie density perspective absolutely a calorie density perspective absolutely you know we do our and that's an and
and I don't want to then use I don't I and I don't want to then use I don't I won't say carbohydrate again and then won't say carbohydrate again and then won't say carbohydrate again and then from except for nuts and seeds and from except for nuts and seeds and from except for nuts and seeds and avocados things like that that have a avocados things like that that have a avocados things like that that have a significant amount of fats uh so but significant amount of fats uh so but significant amount of fats uh so but when we look at it we draw this food when we look at it we draw this food when we look at it we draw this food triangle you know what we put at the top triangle you know what we put at the top triangle you know what we put at the top where the leafy greens the cruciferous where the leafy greens the cruciferous where the leafy greens the cruciferous vegetables stems like celery and and uh vegetables stems like celery and and uh vegetables stems like celery and and uh and asparagus mushrooms and bulbs we and asparagus mushrooms and bulbs we and asparagus mushrooms and bulbs we said look the vast majority of what you
my goal is to have a healthy and extend my goal is to have a healthy and extend my health span you mentioned Health span my health span you mentioned Health span my health span you mentioned Health span and what that really means is to you're and what that really means is to you're and what that really means is to you're not necessarily going to you know live not necessarily going to you know live not necessarily going to you know live to be 200 right but when you are 90 to be 200 right but when you are 90 to be 200 right but when you are 90 years old you're going to be physically years old you're going to be physically years old you're going to be physically active fit you're going to be active fit you're going to be active fit you're going to be biologically you know 20 30 years biologically you know 20 30 years biologically you know 20 30 years younger 40 50 years younger most people younger 40 50 years younger most people younger 40 50 years younger most people don't guess me at 51. right so the thing don't guess me at 51. right so the thing don't guess me at 51. right so the thing is is that there's a chronological age
nothing it's already designed in our nothing it's already designed in our biology that that's possible right and biology that that's possible right and biology that that's possible right and and in some of those populations some of and in some of those populations some of and in some of those populations some of them just are sort of outliers where them just are sort of outliers where them just are sort of outliers where they just live all some of them are they just live all some of them are they just live all some of them are fully functional exactly fully fully functional exactly fully fully functional exactly fully functional Health span yes yes they're functional Health span yes yes they're functional Health span yes yes they're fully functional cognitive I mean fully functional cognitive I mean fully functional cognitive I mean they're yeah so my point is is that they're yeah so my point is is that they're yeah so my point is is that the the only biomarker that was the the only biomarker that was the the only biomarker that was identified to drive the aging process in
you know it's it's not just because you know it's it's not just because we've seen all the transplant studies we've seen all the transplant studies we've seen all the transplant studies we've done in mice it's not just just we've done in mice it's not just just we've done in mice it's not just just eating the food but it's also having the eating the food but it's also having the eating the food but it's also having the right distribution down there and all it right distribution down there and all it right distribution down there and all it takes is a little bit of wrong things takes is a little bit of wrong things takes is a little bit of wrong things and then you get an explosion of and then you get an explosion of and then you get an explosion of something yeah and something yeah and something yeah and it so again it so again it so again what's what's what's socially extreme may not be biologically
I've not met I've not measured a single I've not met I've not measured a single broken metabolism in three years in my broken metabolism in three years in my broken metabolism in three years in my lap a hundred people no one has a broken lap a hundred people no one has a broken lap a hundred people no one has a broken metabolism your metabolism scales with metabolism your metabolism scales with metabolism your metabolism scales with your mass pretty much you know inside your mass pretty much you know inside your mass pretty much you know inside whatever size you are is your thin lean whatever size you are is your thin lean whatever size you are is your thin lean self give that then leave self the steel self give that then leave self the steel self give that then leave self the steel equivalent of what you lost and carry it equivalent of what you lost and carry it equivalent of what you lost and carry it around all day and that's what happens around all day and that's what happens around all day and that's what happens but what's really interesting is that but what's really interesting is that but what's really interesting is that now on the extreme side so I could say
combustion of ethanol ethanol plus combustion of ethanol ethanol plus oxygen and equal CO2 plus water oxygen and equal CO2 plus water oxygen and equal CO2 plus water and you do the balance equation like you and you do the balance equation like you and you do the balance equation like you did you'll see that you know you get a a did you'll see that you know you get a a did you'll see that you know you get a a a three on one side to another or two on a three on one side to another or two on a three on one side to another or two on the other one side through any other and the other one side through any other and the other one side through any other and you do the you are two and then three you do the you are two and then three you do the you are two and then three and you get the respiratory quotient of and you get the respiratory quotient of and you get the respiratory quotient of 0.67 so that that's a number so if I'm 0.67 so that that's a number so if I'm 0.67 so that that's a number so if I'm mainly metabolizing alcohol my mainly metabolizing alcohol my mainly metabolizing alcohol my respiratory quotient will push down uh
mainly carbohydrate or am I burning many mainly carbohydrate or am I burning many flat you can run your ass off for hours flat you can run your ass off for hours flat you can run your ass off for hours and if you're only burning carbohydrate and if you're only burning carbohydrate and if you're only burning carbohydrate you just get on the glycogen treadmill you just get on the glycogen treadmill you just get on the glycogen treadmill and so then what people do to counter and so then what people do to counter and so then what people do to counter that is they say oh I'm going to remove that is they say oh I'm going to remove that is they say oh I'm going to remove all the carbohydrate and shift my body all the carbohydrate and shift my body all the carbohydrate and shift my body into ketosis so I'm burning fat all the into ketosis so I'm burning fat all the into ketosis so I'm burning fat all the time so that when they're running they time so that when they're running they time so that when they're running they are burning fat but again it's not are burning fat but again it's not are burning fat but again it's not necessary because it turns out when we
precise about the things you want to precise about the things you want to know this one's really going to mess know this one's really going to mess know this one's really going to mess with you because it's not what we think with you because it's not what we think with you because it's not what we think so this boosting the metabolism we're so this boosting the metabolism we're so this boosting the metabolism we're going to boost some tablet now cold going to boost some tablet now cold going to boost some tablet now cold stress we'll come back to it when we stress we'll come back to it when we stress we'll come back to it when we talk about cold stress because there's talk about cold stress because there's talk about cold stress because there's some really specific things on cold some really specific things on cold some really specific things on cold stress and some really specific numbers stress and some really specific numbers stress and some really specific numbers that I can give you or or I can show you that I can give you or or I can show you that I can give you or or I can show you some things that I've done with cold
and and so the one twist what I would and and so the one twist what I would say the pause that I think we should do say the pause that I think we should do say the pause that I think we should do now to think about just a little bit is now to think about just a little bit is now to think about just a little bit is I think my vision of doing what we're I think my vision of doing what we're I think my vision of doing what we're talking about before talking about before talking about before was about slugging how much stuff that I was about slugging how much stuff that I was about slugging how much stuff that I could get in my body that was helpful could get in my body that was helpful could get in my body that was helpful and now I'm not so sure that's right now and now I'm not so sure that's right now and now I'm not so sure that's right now I'm not so sure that that that in in I'm not so sure that that that in in I'm not so sure that that that in in doing so I might unintentionally be over doing so I might unintentionally be over doing so I might unintentionally be over nourishing things that I really don't
food triangle um you know I eat on the I food triangle um you know I eat on the I own the right side of the food triangle own the right side of the food triangle own the right side of the food triangle and you know I get nut seeds and and you know I get nut seeds and and you know I get nut seeds and avocados often avocados often avocados often um and I eat lots of fruits I have um and I eat lots of fruits I have um and I eat lots of fruits I have fruits around all the time I'm not fruits around all the time I'm not fruits around all the time I'm not glucophobic you know like all these glucophobic you know like all these glucophobic you know like all these people think it's sugar sugar well you people think it's sugar sugar well you people think it's sugar sugar well you know I don't eat refined sugars you know know I don't eat refined sugars you know know I don't eat refined sugars you know but I eat that if I want to sweeten but I eat that if I want to sweeten but I eat that if I want to sweeten something I use a date but what's really
blending and I know you're Advocate too blending and I know you're Advocate too I I think um I think well I get tons of I I think um I think well I get tons of I I think um I think well I get tons of fiber in my diet because I eat an fiber in my diet because I eat an fiber in my diet because I eat an enormous Amorous mouth but I think enormous Amorous mouth but I think enormous Amorous mouth but I think blending certainly ruptures the cells blending certainly ruptures the cells blending certainly ruptures the cells certainly get more access there's some certainly get more access there's some certainly get more access there's some studies I think we need to do more on studies I think we need to do more on studies I think we need to do more on that where I'm excited is like this that where I'm excited is like this that where I'm excited is like this summer I did all Hydroponics summer I did all Hydroponics summer I did all Hydroponics I grew all my greens and uh and I'll I grew all my greens and uh and I'll I grew all my greens and uh and I'll show you some of the pictures but but
measures sleep too so I have that I have measures sleep too so I have that I have a you know you they have a camera that a you know you they have a camera that a you know you they have a camera that measures VOC your scale measures CO2 so measures VOC your scale measures CO2 so measures VOC your scale measures CO2 so it's sort of it's sort of interesting it's sort of it's sort of interesting it's sort of it's sort of interesting because it Maps your environment what because it Maps your environment what because it Maps your environment what kind of environment you're in but uh I'm kind of environment you're in but uh I'm kind of environment you're in but uh I'm now sleeping way better now sleeping way better now sleeping way better um and we talked a little bit on your um and we talked a little bit on your um and we talked a little bit on your your Facebook page about melatonin we your Facebook page about melatonin we your Facebook page about melatonin we can get that in a second too but but so can get that in a second too but but so can get that in a second too but but so so
you know anything until the next day and you know anything until the next day and I what I found is that I really felt I what I found is that I really felt I what I found is that I really felt really good doing that which was the really good doing that which was the really good doing that which was the opposite so I started not eating like opposite so I started not eating like opposite so I started not eating like right before bed you know where whereas right before bed you know where whereas right before bed you know where whereas that's what I was doing originally so to that's what I was doing originally so to that's what I was doing originally so to back that up talk about glucose um if back that up talk about glucose um if back that up talk about glucose um if you're uh if you're eating starches in you're uh if you're eating starches in you're uh if you're eating starches in the evening the evening the evening instead of getting those sharp Peaks instead of getting those sharp Peaks instead of getting those sharp Peaks that you saw today and the sharp people
based on that alone we know that that's based on that alone we know that that's like the time you're not supposed to eat like the time you're not supposed to eat like the time you're not supposed to eat right you're not supposed to get all right you're not supposed to get all right you're not supposed to get all this like glucose and yeah everything I this like glucose and yeah everything I this like glucose and yeah everything I can't wait to use their paper because we can't wait to use their paper because we can't wait to use their paper because we got some other explanations that will go got some other explanations that will go got some other explanations that will go right along with this that will actually right along with this that will actually right along with this that will actually it will superimpose well with us and and it will superimpose well with us and and it will superimpose well with us and and I completely agree I completely agree I completely agree um so let's let's I'd love if you if you um so let's let's I'd love if you if you um so let's let's I'd love if you if you would like to talk a little bit about
in blood pressures and in a matter of in blood pressures and in a matter of weeks uh you know uh people with eczema weeks uh you know uh people with eczema weeks uh you know uh people with eczema and all those things are different so we and all those things are different so we and all those things are different so we have these amazing repair processes that have these amazing repair processes that have these amazing repair processes that are happening in the fastest State and are happening in the fastest State and are happening in the fastest State and we fast forward can we talk about why we fast forward can we talk about why we fast forward can we talk about why that is I mean that's been shown that is I mean that's been shown that is I mean that's been shown mechanistically in animal models and in mechanistically in animal models and in mechanistically in animal models and in monkeys mice monkeys it's been shown monkeys mice monkeys it's been shown monkeys mice monkeys it's been shown that when you fast it is a mild stress that when you fast it is a mild stress that when you fast it is a mild stress on the body you are diluted to the
was done what was it starting to uh well was done what was it starting to uh well he lost 276 pounds okay so we had a lot he lost 276 pounds okay so we had a lot he lost 276 pounds okay so we had a lot of fat to burn yeah absolutely had the of fat to burn yeah absolutely had the of fat to burn yeah absolutely had the energy right right that's important energy right right that's important energy right right that's important right yeah no he's not if I were to do right yeah no he's not if I were to do right yeah no he's not if I were to do 308 I think I don't know there's some 308 I think I don't know there's some 308 I think I don't know there's some probably some brevarians down the street probably some brevarians down the street probably some brevarians down the street that would disagree with us right no so that would disagree with us right no so that would disagree with us right no so the point is is that uh so so the point is is that uh so so the point is is that uh so so that is is but when you say it's extreme that is is but when you say it's extreme that is is but when you say it's extreme what's interesting is
something you've not experienced before something you've not experienced before it's like when you don't eat yeah and it's like when you don't eat yeah and it's like when you don't eat yeah and it's and it's almost like you taste it it's and it's almost like you taste it it's and it's almost like you taste it it's whatever but it doesn't send you it's whatever but it doesn't send you it's whatever but it doesn't send you into any crazy feeling because you're in into any crazy feeling because you're in into any crazy feeling because you're in a perfectly normal State the body a perfectly normal State the body a perfectly normal State the body shouldn't you know these these symptoms shouldn't you know these these symptoms shouldn't you know these these symptoms are not a way of starving animal finds are not a way of starving animal finds are not a way of starving animal finds food you got to be clear you gotta be food you got to be clear you gotta be food you got to be clear you gotta be Lucid you gotta go find food right right Lucid you gotta go find food right right Lucid you gotta go find food right right so so okay bidding back to that can I
postprandial postprandial metabolically we change yeah and and Sir metabolically we change yeah and and Sir metabolically we change yeah and and Sir T1 gets activated every time you're T1 gets activated every time you're T1 gets activated every time you're making so when you're eating anything making so when you're eating anything making so when you're eating anything you know when you're eating food you're you know when you're eating food you're you know when you're eating food you're going to make nadh which is my shot going to make nadh which is my shot going to make nadh which is my shot officer T1 which is also part of the you officer T1 which is also part of the you officer T1 which is also part of the you know benefits of feeding frequency when know benefits of feeding frequency when know benefits of feeding frequency when we look at feeding versus frequency and we look at feeding versus frequency and we look at feeding versus frequency and that may be a reason and I we we can that may be a reason and I we we can that may be a reason and I we we can look at this if you look at the study
you know you might lose body fat I'm not you know you might lose body fat I'm not saying you won't be at a deficit what saying you won't be at a deficit what saying you won't be at a deficit what I'm saying is this idea that you're I'm saying is this idea that you're I'm saying is this idea that you're always slugging every time we slug we always slugging every time we slug we always slugging every time we slug we activate a whole set of hormones and activate a whole set of hormones and activate a whole set of hormones and react and and so react and and so react and and so we talk about fasting when we talk about we talk about fasting when we talk about we talk about fasting when we talk about and we talk about intermittent fasting and we talk about intermittent fasting and we talk about intermittent fasting the idea that you're really going long the idea that you're really going long the idea that you're really going long periods but even in the popular media periods but even in the popular media periods but even in the popular media because everyone's terrified to say
before I started the fast before I started the fast um I you know I just started eating um I you know I just started eating um I you know I just started eating three meals a day you know healthy food three meals a day you know healthy food three meals a day you know healthy food but just really eating a lot of volume but just really eating a lot of volume but just really eating a lot of volume of it and my Ig of us surprisingly no I of it and my Ig of us surprisingly no I of it and my Ig of us surprisingly no I don't need any meat yeah so why not yeah don't need any meat yeah so why not yeah don't need any meat yeah so why not yeah so so so um you know zero you know I had uh I had um you know zero you know I had uh I had um you know zero you know I had uh I had none I mean I had you know it's just all none I mean I had you know it's just all none I mean I had you know it's just all whatever and it was up to 200 and then whatever and it was up to 200 and then whatever and it was up to 200 and then by the midpoint it was already down to
both right for the wrong reason which I both right for the wrong reason which I that will be explained in our paper but that will be explained in our paper but that will be explained in our paper but that food triangle becomes a road map that food triangle becomes a road map that food triangle becomes a road map and then the question is how can we and then the question is how can we and then the question is how can we optimize eating frequency because I want optimize eating frequency because I want optimize eating frequency because I want to maximize my body's chance to to do to maximize my body's chance to to do to maximize my body's chance to to do this and obviously I could have fasted this and obviously I could have fasted this and obviously I could have fasted and supplemented and supplemented and supplemented there's no reason why you couldn't do there's no reason why you couldn't do there's no reason why you couldn't do that that that although at what level of
so in order to do that what am I going so in order to do that what am I going to do I'm going to study sugar versus to do I'm going to study sugar versus to do I'm going to study sugar versus oil oil oil okay what if you just learned nothing okay what if you just learned nothing okay what if you just learned nothing because if I add a whole food starch I because if I add a whole food starch I because if I add a whole food starch I screw up my protein number if I add screw up my protein number if I add screw up my protein number if I add legumes I screw up my protein number if legumes I screw up my protein number if legumes I screw up my protein number if I add any of the things that I would I add any of the things that I would I add any of the things that I would actually really eat I screwed it up you actually really eat I screwed it up you actually really eat I screwed it up you know on the fat side okay you add add know on the fat side okay you add add know on the fat side okay you add add lots of meat you're screwing up your
if I don't have the word carbohydrate I if I don't have the word carbohydrate I can't equate a whole food starch with a can't equate a whole food starch with a can't equate a whole food starch with a refined sugar there's no way to connect refined sugar there's no way to connect refined sugar there's no way to connect I can't I can't equate a carbohydrate I can't I can't equate a carbohydrate I can't I can't equate a carbohydrate just cotton also a carbohydrate I always just cotton also a carbohydrate I always just cotton also a carbohydrate I always say refined carbohydrates yeah but even say refined carbohydrates yeah but even say refined carbohydrates yeah but even if you say that you're still you're if you say that you're still you're if you say that you're still you're still not same specific I this is a still not same specific I this is a still not same specific I this is a carbohydrate carbohydrate carbohydrate Uh Wood the wood floor is a carbohydrate Uh Wood the wood floor is a carbohydrate Uh Wood the wood floor is a carbohydrate termites eat wood Mossy Church cotton
and so that you know again we have 26 27 and so that you know again we have 26 27 National Institutes for health but but National Institutes for health but but National Institutes for health but but nutrition is controlled by the USDA do I nutrition is controlled by the USDA do I nutrition is controlled by the USDA do I need to say anymore I left NASA because need to say anymore I left NASA because need to say anymore I left NASA because I knew they weren't getting us into I knew they weren't getting us into I knew they weren't getting us into space you know that wasn't going to space you know that wasn't going to space you know that wasn't going to happen NASA is a great organization a happen NASA is a great organization a happen NASA is a great organization a lot of smart people there everybody lot of smart people there everybody lot of smart people there everybody wants to do stuff wants to do stuff wants to do stuff but in a mature bureaucracy bureaucracy but in a mature bureaucracy bureaucracy but in a mature bureaucracy bureaucracy there's a rule against everything so
know and I'm trying to get in contact know and I'm trying to get in contact with him and figure that out right with him and figure that out right with him and figure that out right because I'd like to know I'd like to because I'd like to know I'd like to because I'd like to know I'd like to know do I need to do incorporate 48 hour know do I need to do incorporate 48 hour know do I need to do incorporate 48 hour fast to to get those autophagy you know fast to to get those autophagy you know fast to to get those autophagy you know benefits that I want and this is my goal benefits that I want and this is my goal benefits that I want and this is my goal post post post um post book I get my book out there um post book I get my book out there um post book I get my book out there just because I want to get sort of the just because I want to get sort of the just because I want to get sort of the language changed how we're talking about language changed how we're talking about language changed how we're talking about food to be able to get more people like
that are 115 years old and are cognizant that are 115 years old and are cognizant and are healthy and are you know still and are healthy and are you know still and are healthy and are you know still active they're not like just crippled active they're not like just crippled active they're not like just crippled and you know and so I want to look at and you know and so I want to look at and you know and so I want to look at these individuals and understand what is these individuals and understand what is these individuals and understand what is it about their genetics you know because it about their genetics you know because it about their genetics you know because we know that things like intermittent we know that things like intermittent we know that things like intermittent fasting dietary restriction we know that fasting dietary restriction we know that fasting dietary restriction we know that hormesis different plant compounds you hormesis different plant compounds you hormesis different plant compounds you know that are that are present in a know that are that are present in a know that are that are present in a variety of plants can activate a variety
he walked down and you know he wants to he walked down and you know he wants to like strip down and get in the in the like strip down and get in the in the like strip down and get in the in the water cold it's just this way it's just water cold it's just this way it's just water cold it's just this way it's just fun we we had a great time so then we fun we we had a great time so then we fun we we had a great time so then we were we basically so we're walking back were we basically so we're walking back were we basically so we're walking back and uh you know he's looking he goes and uh you know he's looking he goes and uh you know he's looking he goes uh-huh and that that exactly look at uh-huh and that that exactly look at uh-huh and that that exactly look at this this this the iceman has a coat and you have a the iceman has a coat and you have a the iceman has a coat and you have a short sleeve shirt he said this looks short sleeve shirt he said this looks short sleeve shirt he said this looks crazy so then like he took his jacket he
therapy where I was sitting in a very therapy where I was sitting in a very hot sauna um at its at its peak it was hot sauna um at its at its peak it was hot sauna um at its at its peak it was 220 degrees Fahrenheit which is very hot 220 degrees Fahrenheit which is very hot 220 degrees Fahrenheit which is very hot and then transitioning once I mean I was and then transitioning once I mean I was and then transitioning once I mean I was I was burying the pain I was sitting in I was burying the pain I was sitting in I was burying the pain I was sitting in this hot sauna you know and and really this hot sauna you know and and really this hot sauna you know and and really pushing it like I wanted to get out but pushing it like I wanted to get out but pushing it like I wanted to get out but I stayed in and then finally got to the I stayed in and then finally got to the I stayed in and then finally got to the point where I'm like okay I'm gonna get point where I'm like okay I'm gonna get point where I'm like okay I'm gonna get out and then I went straight into a ice out and then I went straight into a ice out and then I went straight into a ice bath
go to bed before midnight and so it we go to bed before midnight and so it we were by at 9 30 p.m so we did this in were by at 9 30 p.m so we did this in were by at 9 30 p.m so we did this in the evening so we started like around 6 the evening so we started like around 6 the evening so we started like around 6 p.m I think uh and but by 9 30 p.m we p.m I think uh and but by 9 30 p.m we p.m I think uh and but by 9 30 p.m we were in bed and asleep by 10 and then we were in bed and asleep by 10 and then we were in bed and asleep by 10 and then we woke up the next morning at 7 30. right woke up the next morning at 7 30. right woke up the next morning at 7 30. right and that is not you our typical schedule and that is not you our typical schedule and that is not you our typical schedule and certainly not his typical schedule and certainly not his typical schedule and certainly not his typical schedule uh and and that was very surprising to uh and and that was very surprising to uh and and that was very surprising to me the contrast therapy resetting my me the contrast therapy resetting my me the contrast therapy resetting my circading so one of the things you asked
developed this literally in his developed this literally in his apartment we were talking because we apartment we were talking because we apartment we were talking because we were talking about the benefits and and were talking about the benefits and and were talking about the benefits and and we were talking about the saunas we were we were talking about the saunas we were we were talking about the saunas we were talking about that but you know what talking about that but you know what talking about that but you know what could we do in a in a a concise amount could we do in a in a a concise amount could we do in a in a a concise amount of time that would get us get us going of time that would get us get us going of time that would get us get us going well as a complete side complete well as a complete side complete well as a complete side complete coincidence just like you coincidence just like you coincidence just like you I was I was doing something or I don't I was I was doing something or I don't I was I was doing something or I don't know we are whatever it was late and I
there and you can go as cold as you want there and you can go as cold as you want you you don't ha you have to have a big you you don't ha you have to have a big you you don't ha you have to have a big contrast at first you might not go as contrast at first you might not go as contrast at first you might not go as far but eventually You're Gonna Go full far but eventually You're Gonna Go full far but eventually You're Gonna Go full cold because it's not I mean it's like cold because it's not I mean it's like cold because it's not I mean it's like 50 55 degrees you can handle it 50 55 degrees you can handle it 50 55 degrees you can handle it everybody has a part their belly their everybody has a part their belly their everybody has a part their belly their back their face something about them back their face something about them back their face something about them really makes them like uh you know really makes them like uh you know really makes them like uh you know tighten up but you'll figure that out tighten up but you'll figure that out tighten up but you'll figure that out and what's paradoxical about it and I
contrast therapy and you end on that contrast therapy and you end on that cold for two minutes cold for two minutes cold for two minutes again in the morning it gets you alert again in the morning it gets you alert again in the morning it gets you alert and at night because of that I think and at night because of that I think and at night because of that I think you're where you are in your circadian you're where you are in your circadian you're where you are in your circadian day it it makes you sleep and I did the day it it makes you sleep and I did the day it it makes you sleep and I did the same thing in Australia that you did for same thing in Australia that you did for same thing in Australia that you did for in terms of reset and I tried it now I in terms of reset and I tried it now I in terms of reset and I tried it now I didn't get completely over jet lagged so didn't get completely over jet lagged so didn't get completely over jet lagged so it wasn't really a complete success but it wasn't really a complete success but it wasn't really a complete success but I used a combination of melatonin and
water water okay and it's uh it begins at 60 F in okay and it's uh it begins at 60 F in okay and it's uh it begins at 60 F in air so so that's about where the that's air so so that's about where the that's air so so that's about where the that's where you start seeing a change you where you start seeing a change you where you start seeing a change you start seeing a metabolic response you start seeing a metabolic response you start seeing a metabolic response you start seeing hormonal hormonalis start seeing hormonal hormonalis start seeing hormonal hormonalis response response response um at about those temperatures um at about those temperatures um at about those temperatures um water is really easy to deal with all um water is really easy to deal with all um water is really easy to deal with all the way down to 60f when you get a the way down to 60f when you get a the way down to 60f when you get a little bit below that it's start
weird to look because the volume of weird to look because the volume of water to leave your muscles when you're water to leave your muscles when you're water to leave your muscles when you're fasting it really freaked me out last fasting it really freaked me out last fasting it really freaked me out last time I was like I was just sure that I time I was like I was just sure that I time I was like I was just sure that I was just atrophying like crazy I was was just atrophying like crazy I was was just atrophying like crazy I was really like I've really screwed this one really like I've really screwed this one really like I've really screwed this one up but when I got back to the dexa scans up but when I got back to the dexa scans up but when I got back to the dexa scans as soon as you start eating and getting as soon as you start eating and getting as soon as you start eating and getting minerals in your diet again sodium and minerals in your diet again sodium and minerals in your diet again sodium and other stuff the water comes back up okay other stuff the water comes back up okay other stuff the water comes back up okay you know so like for example when you
became interested I don't I don't want became interested I don't I don't want to put two of it much of it up there to put two of it much of it up there to put two of it much of it up there just because it gets boring but uh but just because it gets boring but uh but just because it gets boring but uh but the swimming getting back to swimming the swimming getting back to swimming the swimming getting back to swimming I want to take up swimming I I know I've I want to take up swimming I I know I've I want to take up swimming I I know I've always been able to swim so I've never always been able to swim so I've never always been able to swim so I've never been afraid of water I scuba dived I was been afraid of water I scuba dived I was been afraid of water I scuba dived I was a water skier I love swimming but I a water skier I love swimming but I a water skier I love swimming but I never learned to like swim laps you know never learned to like swim laps you know never learned to like swim laps you know and and you know I really want that and and you know I really want that and and you know I really want that graceful to be able to swim
that's after what temperature and that that's after what temperature and that was uh that was 70. so was uh that was 70. so was uh that was 70. so for swimming the optimal temperature of for swimming the optimal temperature of for swimming the optimal temperature of comfort comfort comfort and impact is about 75 f with all the and impact is about 75 f with all the and impact is about 75 f with all the stuff I've looked at I'm not studied but stuff I've looked at I'm not studied but stuff I've looked at I'm not studied but stuff I've looked at in my pool right stuff I've looked at in my pool right stuff I've looked at in my pool right around there it's not too much of a shot around there it's not too much of a shot around there it's not too much of a shot now 70 degree water for someone who now 70 degree water for someone who now 70 degree water for someone who lives on the west coast they're like lives on the west coast they're like lives on the west coast they're like what right right right you know if you
kicks in Upper regulation happens UCP kicks in Upper regulation happens UCP one now I'm just using you know proton one now I'm just using you know proton one now I'm just using you know proton electron leaks through the mitochondria electron leaks through the mitochondria electron leaks through the mitochondria and suddenly I'm not producing ATP I'm and suddenly I'm not producing ATP I'm and suddenly I'm not producing ATP I'm just producing 100 heat what's the cell just producing 100 heat what's the cell just producing 100 heat what's the cell using to do that it's it's grabbing the using to do that it's it's grabbing the using to do that it's it's grabbing the most energy dense Fuel and is using most energy dense Fuel and is using most energy dense Fuel and is using lipids to do it so that's a real good lipids to do it so that's a real good lipids to do it so that's a real good adaptive strategy because if you were adaptive strategy because if you were adaptive strategy because if you were keeping warm using glycogen keeping warm using glycogen keeping warm using glycogen you'd run out very quickly or if you're
but it's possible that a lot of these but it's possible that a lot of these benefits of this excess moving because benefits of this excess moving because benefits of this excess moving because in nature in nature in nature all organisms are all organisms are all organisms are conserved are they they conserve they conserved are they they conserve they conserved are they they conserve they live a conserved life we want to think live a conserved life we want to think live a conserved life we want to think of them being all active and they're all of them being all active and they're all of them being all active and they're all on the hunt and they're more active us on the hunt and they're more active us on the hunt and they're more active us and we live a sedentary access lifestyle and we live a sedentary access lifestyle and we live a sedentary access lifestyle but the opposite of sedentary is an but the opposite of sedentary is an but the opposite of sedentary is an exercise the opposite of sedentary is
benefits are that we benefits are that we um um um evolve those sets of cold cold stress evolve those sets of cold cold stress evolve those sets of cold cold stress responses that happen to mimic the responses that happen to mimic the responses that happen to mimic the dietary restriction stock as a survival dietary restriction stock as a survival dietary restriction stock as a survival mechanism for winter mechanism for winter mechanism for winter and we've just extra we've just and we've just extra we've just and we've just extra we've just engineered winter out of our life in the engineered winter out of our life in the engineered winter out of our life in the last century last century last century we do have temperature controlled we do have temperature controlled we do have temperature controlled environments right right you know and I
yeah I haven't yeah you just don't have yeah I haven't yeah you just don't have it's pretty wild yeah it's pretty wild yeah it's pretty wild yeah it's crazy you don't have valves can you it's crazy you don't have valves can you it's crazy you don't have valves can you please do what you biome like I want to please do what you biome like I want to please do what you biome like I want to see it damn it I know I I wanted to I see it damn it I know I I wanted to I see it damn it I know I I wanted to I know you I just have so much to get I know you I just have so much to get I know you I just have so much to get I just had so much other I mean that would just had so much other I mean that would just had so much other I mean that would have been all the blood work I did was have been all the blood work I did was have been all the blood work I did was so expensive and you know I've I've been so expensive and you know I've I've been so expensive and you know I've I've been I've used really donation on my blog I I've used really donation on my blog I I've used really donation on my blog I you know there's plenty of opportunities
you know cold stress and you know cold stress and and dietary restriction to me that's the and dietary restriction to me that's the and dietary restriction to me that's the axi we start with and then the exercise axi we start with and then the exercise axi we start with and then the exercise again just like we talked about with again just like we talked about with again just like we talked about with starchans and carbohydrate starches and starchans and carbohydrate starches and starchans and carbohydrate starches and sugars earlier with the studies all the sugars earlier with the studies all the sugars earlier with the studies all the exercise stuff is a lot of it is done on exercise stuff is a lot of it is done on exercise stuff is a lot of it is done on people that are people that are people that are living in a normal world so if it makes living in a normal world so if it makes living in a normal world so if it makes you better in a normal normally overfed you better in a normal normally overfed you better in a normal normally overfed over nourished
the effects most of the work that I did the effects most of the work that I did on cold stress because where I was in on cold stress because where I was in on cold stress because where I was in that point in in my life was I was that point in in my life was I was that point in in my life was I was really looking I didn't understand really looking I didn't understand really looking I didn't understand calories and so I was really calories and so I was really calories and so I was really trying to understand how can we maximize trying to understand how can we maximize trying to understand how can we maximize however I really believed the goal at however I really believed the goal at however I really believed the goal at that time was to create more metabolic that time was to create more metabolic that time was to create more metabolic output and I hadn't quite found that I output and I hadn't quite found that I output and I hadn't quite found that I can control weight and everything can control weight and everything can control weight and everything perfectly with the dietary input is
right there you can see it I mean it right there you can see it I mean it doesn't it doesn't burn a significant doesn't it doesn't burn a significant doesn't it doesn't burn a significant amount of fat that's the the downside so amount of fat that's the the downside so amount of fat that's the the downside so you're not gonna really the weight you're not gonna really the weight you're not gonna really the weight losses is minimal losses is minimal losses is minimal it's it it it is it it does in addition it's it it it is it it does in addition it's it it it is it it does in addition to dietary restriction but you have to to dietary restriction but you have to to dietary restriction but you have to have some kind of deficit to start with have some kind of deficit to start with have some kind of deficit to start with um but it definitely shifts your RQ and um but it definitely shifts your RQ and um but it definitely shifts your RQ and um what I have seen is that you know um what I have seen is that you know um what I have seen is that you know generally speaking after you know a few
never happened to me and the reason why never happened to me and the reason why is as soon as I come off the slopes I go is as soon as I come off the slopes I go is as soon as I come off the slopes I go into the into the bathroom I do a into the into the bathroom I do a into the into the bathroom I do a contrast shower and I'm cold and then I contrast shower and I'm cold and then I contrast shower and I'm cold and then I fill the bathtub is already filled up fill the bathtub is already filled up fill the bathtub is already filled up with cold water with cold water with cold water as cold as it'll come out of this hat as cold as it'll come out of this hat as cold as it'll come out of this hat just sit up to my waistline uh in cold just sit up to my waistline uh in cold just sit up to my waistline uh in cold water and water and water and all of that leaves and you feel when you all of that leaves and you feel when you all of that leaves and you feel when you get out you almost feel as if you could
all no no sometimes yeah at 50 degrees all no no sometimes yeah at 50 degrees Yeah so I can sleep I can sleep now Yeah so I can sleep I can sleep now Yeah so I can sleep I can sleep now right now I can't but because of the right now I can't but because of the right now I can't but because of the fasting but fasting but fasting but um I conditioned myself this is one of um I conditioned myself this is one of um I conditioned myself this is one of the things I did before the things I did before the things I did before um all the stuff that came out for our um all the stuff that came out for our um all the stuff that came out for our body I started with you know blankets body I started with you know blankets body I started with you know blankets and I'm like you know we had blankets or and I'm like you know we had blankets or and I'm like you know we had blankets or we blanketed we blanketed we blanketed um to because we never used to heat
it slowly and there's a really simple it slowly and there's a really simple test to see if your room is too warm or test to see if your room is too warm or test to see if your room is too warm or you're black over blanketing and that is you're black over blanketing and that is you're black over blanketing and that is if you stick your feet out from the if you stick your feet out from the if you stick your feet out from the covers at night or in the morning or you covers at night or in the morning or you covers at night or in the morning or you have to stick your hands out if you do have to stick your hands out if you do have to stick your hands out if you do those two things that's a sign that those two things that's a sign that those two things that's a sign that you're sleeping with too much covers you're sleeping with too much covers you're sleeping with too much covers because that's a way to trick your brain because that's a way to trick your brain because that's a way to trick your brain into thinking you're cooler than you into thinking you're cooler than you into thinking you're cooler than you really are because we actually have to
would be producing it let me ask you would be producing it let me ask you again so the contrast shower was 10 again so the contrast shower was 10 again so the contrast shower was 10 seconds warm 20 seconds cold seconds warm 20 seconds cold seconds warm 20 seconds cold um how many times and on colder too ten um how many times and on colder too ten um how many times and on colder too ten times ten times and on cold two minutes times ten times and on cold two minutes times ten times and on cold two minutes yeah you know just I I want you to get yeah you know just I I want you to get yeah you know just I I want you to get used to it because that's the used to it because that's the used to it because that's the conditioning part right because I want conditioning part right because I want conditioning part right because I want to see if it does my circles and then to see if it does my circles and then to see if it does my circles and then and then out of then dry off get in bed and then out of then dry off get in bed and then out of then dry off get in bed and then at that point it's I don't do
at this point you know that's what all at this point you know that's what all the studies say I'm doing it at the the studies say I'm doing it at the the studies say I'm doing it at the Circadian time the time when my brain Circadian time the time when my brain Circadian time the time when my brain would be of releasing it probably is would be of releasing it probably is would be of releasing it probably is releasing it releasing it releasing it um and I feel like at that point I'm um and I feel like at that point I'm um and I feel like at that point I'm also you know I'm entering a fasted also you know I'm entering a fasted also you know I'm entering a fasted State as well the dietary restriction State as well the dietary restriction State as well the dietary restriction you know you know my my meals were you know you know my my meals were you know you know my my meals were earlier in the day so I'm I'm far past earlier in the day so I'm I'm far past earlier in the day so I'm I'm far past I'm in a post-absorptive state at this
hypothesized this these connections and hypothesized this these connections and ran them by David and we actually we ran them by David and we actually we ran them by David and we actually we touched on it we we had because of touched on it we we had because of touched on it we we had because of editorial limits on that first paper we editorial limits on that first paper we editorial limits on that first paper we had to sort of um uh walk away a little had to sort of um uh walk away a little had to sort of um uh walk away a little bit from the Sleep part and we mainly bit from the Sleep part and we mainly bit from the Sleep part and we mainly focused on the other side but you know focused on the other side but you know focused on the other side but you know what you know what it's like you know what you know what it's like you know what you know what it's like you know it's like okay we got we we're too many it's like okay we got we we're too many it's like okay we got we we're too many words well basically but we got you know words well basically but we got you know words well basically but we got you know we got it in there but we had to do we
why right you know I'd like to why right you know I'd like to understand the mechanism yeah I mean understand the mechanism yeah I mean understand the mechanism yeah I mean curious I want to know yeah and trying curious I want to know yeah and trying curious I want to know yeah and trying to figure it out I just started looking to figure it out I just started looking to figure it out I just started looking into it yeah and and it's and I mean I into it yeah and and it's and I mean I into it yeah and and it's and I mean I think it's tied to the fact that drop think it's tied to the fact that drop think it's tied to the fact that drop into half a degree that the brain needs into half a degree that the brain needs into half a degree that the brain needs to see you know that's at half degree to see you know that's at half degree to see you know that's at half degree and you know it's really amazing and you know it's really amazing and you know it's really amazing hibernation you know yeah yeah they you hibernation you know yeah yeah they you hibernation you know yeah yeah they you go you get the it's when uh in in Winter
um if people want to learn more about um if people want to learn more about you know the the science you're doing you know the the science you're doing you know the the science you're doing the books you're writing the experiments the books you're writing the experiments the books you're writing the experiments you're doing anything about Rey cronice you're doing anything about Rey cronice you're doing anything about Rey cronice where can they find you what uh well where can they find you what uh well where can they find you what uh well Google is easy just Rey cronice it's Google is easy just Rey cronice it's Google is easy just Rey cronice it's c-r-o-n-i-s-e I guess you'll slug that c-r-o-n-i-s-e I guess you'll slug that c-r-o-n-i-s-e I guess you'll slug that um right now for a short period of time um right now for a short period of time um right now for a short period of time um when this is being this one if you're um when this is being this one if you're um when this is being this one if you're looking later I have a crowdsource hour looking later I have a crowdsource hour looking later I have a crowdsource hour broken plate is the is the title it's on