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Breathing For A Better Engine Oxygen Training w Adaptive Contrast Therapy Owen M

00:00all right hey it's joel from the hack all right hey it's joel from the hack life i'm here with owen life i'm here with owen life i'm here with owen monroy we're here in walnut creek monroy we're here in walnut creek monroy we're here in walnut creek california at oxygen california at oxygen california at oxygen rally welcome to the show man yeah thank rally welcome to the show man yeah thank rally welcome to the show man yeah thank you thanks for making the trip you thanks for making the trip you thanks for making the trip yeah no i'm excited and something that's yeah no i'm excited and something that's yeah no i'm excited and something that's cool that not everybody knows is and i cool that not everybody knows is and i cool that not everybody knows is and i hope they go watch the videos that hope they go watch the videos that hope they go watch the videos that we just you just put me through a 15 we just you just put me through a 15 we just you just put me through a 15 minute workout on minute workout on minute workout on your machine so we're definitely going your machine so we're definitely going your machine so we're definitely going to talk about that but i think just to to talk about that but i think just to to talk about that but i think just to start things off start things off start things off just can you kind of tell everybody you just can you kind of tell everybody you just can you kind of tell everybody you know your journey into this know your journey into this know your journey into this health and fitness world you know i know health and fitness world you know i know health and fitness world you know i know for me you know just for me you know just for me you know just in the world of biohacking and health in the world of biohacking and health in the world of biohacking and health and wellness you know a lot of and wellness you know a lot of and wellness you know a lot of people find their path through struggles people find their path through struggles people find their path through struggles and stuff so i always find it and stuff so i always find it and stuff so i always find it interesting interesting interesting to learn about like you know how did you to learn about like you know how did you to learn about like you know how did you get here how did you get into this get here how did you get into this get here how did you get into this optimization world yeah you know optimization world yeah you know optimization world yeah you know i was coaching volleyball for about nine i was coaching volleyball for about nine i was coaching volleyball for about nine years in the ncaa years in the ncaa years in the ncaa and so that was my former career i and so that was my former career i and so that was my former career i mentioned to you i was a music business mentioned to you i was a music business mentioned to you i was a music business major major major and so i moved into volleyball after and so i moved into volleyball after and so i moved into volleyball after playing in college playing in college playing in college and uh so you were you you played
01:00and uh so you were you you played and uh so you were you you played collegiate uh volleyball yeah oh cool collegiate uh volleyball yeah oh cool collegiate uh volleyball yeah oh cool at messiah college in pennsylvania and at messiah college in pennsylvania and at messiah college in pennsylvania and so yeah i so yeah i so yeah i moved on from that and started coaching moved on from that and started coaching moved on from that and started coaching and really fell in love with teaching and really fell in love with teaching and really fell in love with teaching um i didn't and i was like the last um i didn't and i was like the last um i didn't and i was like the last person that person that person that people thought would be a teacher you people thought would be a teacher you people thought would be a teacher you know compared to my siblings you know know compared to my siblings you know know compared to my siblings you know i had siblings that were really patient i had siblings that were really patient i had siblings that were really patient and like really good with kids and like really good with kids and like really good with kids it wasn't that i was bad with kids but i it wasn't that i was bad with kids but i it wasn't that i was bad with kids but i was you know i'm kind of a perfectionist was you know i'm kind of a perfectionist was you know i'm kind of a perfectionist in a lot of ways yeah in a lot of ways yeah in a lot of ways yeah and so i didn't always have the patience and so i didn't always have the patience and so i didn't always have the patience to like i had only had enough patience to like i had only had enough patience to like i had only had enough patience for myself to for myself to for myself to figure it out but when i fell into figure it out but when i fell into figure it out but when i fell into some uh mentorship situations where i some uh mentorship situations where i some uh mentorship situations where i was able to learn from olympic level was able to learn from olympic level was able to learn from olympic level volleyball coaches volleyball coaches volleyball coaches it completely changed my paradigm on it completely changed my paradigm on it completely changed my paradigm on learning but also then on teaching and i learning but also then on teaching and i learning but also then on teaching and i realized like realized like realized like i love to teach because i had frame a i love to teach because i had frame a i love to teach because i had frame a framework where i feel like framework where i feel like framework where i feel like i could offer people a pathway to i could offer people a pathway to i could offer people a pathway to changing their changing their changing their skill set and so that's what got me into skill set and so that's what got me into skill set and so that's what got me into volleyball and then that was volleyball and then that was volleyball and then that was about nine years that i did that about nine years that i did that about nine years that i did that professionally and that's what
02:00professionally and that's what professionally and that's what brought me to the bay area originally i brought me to the bay area originally i brought me to the bay area originally i was coaching at penn state um was coaching at penn state um was coaching at penn state um as the volunteer assistant there and as the volunteer assistant there and as the volunteer assistant there and then got hired out here at st mary's then got hired out here at st mary's then got hired out here at st mary's college college college and so i was coaching wow beach and and so i was coaching wow beach and and so i was coaching wow beach and indoor volleyball at st mary's indoor volleyball at st mary's indoor volleyball at st mary's and then eventually ended up at and then eventually ended up at and then eventually ended up at university of illinois university of illinois university of illinois so i'm back across the country and then so i'm back across the country and then so i'm back across the country and then most recently at cal berkeley most recently at cal berkeley most recently at cal berkeley a beach in indoor volleyball so wow so a beach in indoor volleyball so wow so a beach in indoor volleyball so wow so that was my that was my former career that was my that was my former career that was my that was my former career and it's it can be a pretty intense and it's it can be a pretty intense and it's it can be a pretty intense lifestyle especially during the fall but lifestyle especially during the fall but lifestyle especially during the fall but you know you've got recruiting you know you've got recruiting you know you've got recruiting and it's it's a year around it's pretty and it's it's a year around it's pretty and it's it's a year around it's pretty scripted in terms of like you're in a scripted in terms of like you're in a scripted in terms of like you're in a rhythm of rhythm of rhythm of traveling and you know working with a traveling and you know working with a traveling and you know working with a team season after season team season after season team season after season and so during that time i really started and so during that time i really started and so during that time i really started kind of kind of kind of feeling my limits in terms of feeling my limits in terms of feeling my limits in terms of performance mental performance performance mental performance performance mental performance within that framework um and for me that within that framework um and for me that within that framework um and for me that that started that started that started i mean i grew up my mom had a lot of i mean i grew up my mom had a lot of i mean i grew up my mom had a lot of my mom and dad were very um my mom and dad were very um my mom and dad were very um progressive in terms of like alternative
03:00progressive in terms of like alternative progressive in terms of like alternative health health health and so you know i grew up and was a and so you know i grew up and was a and so you know i grew up and was a vegan for a while vegan for a while vegan for a while i'm sorry yeah i'm just kidding i'm not i'm sorry yeah i'm just kidding i'm not i'm sorry yeah i'm just kidding i'm not anymore anymore anymore um but it was my mom had a lot of um but it was my mom had a lot of um but it was my mom had a lot of exploration in terms of exploration in terms of exploration in terms of alternative health and so growing up by alternative health and so growing up by alternative health and so growing up by examples like you know i was eating my examples like you know i was eating my examples like you know i was eating my dad's from guatemala so dad's from guatemala so dad's from guatemala so avocados were commonplace you know in avocados were commonplace you know in avocados were commonplace you know in our family and so our family and so our family and so if i would you know have a lunch and you if i would you know have a lunch and you if i would you know have a lunch and you know know know schoolmates would be looking at like schoolmates would be looking at like schoolmates would be looking at like what is guacamole like what is it what is guacamole like what is it what is guacamole like what is it where's your fruit roll up right bro where's your fruit roll up right bro where's your fruit roll up right bro yeah but at that time yeah but at that time yeah but at that time that stuff was was not commonplace now that stuff was was not commonplace now that stuff was was not commonplace now it's at subway it's everywhere it's at subway it's everywhere it's at subway it's everywhere but it's like people know what baba but it's like people know what baba but it's like people know what baba ganesh is now and ganesh is now and ganesh is now and like i had that stuff you know growing like i had that stuff you know growing like i had that stuff you know growing up because my mom was really tabuli and up because my mom was really tabuli and up because my mom was really tabuli and all you know all you know all you know mediterranean stuff and so um but even mediterranean stuff and so um but even mediterranean stuff and so um but even fasting like fasting like fasting like you know my dad had was working on a you know my dad had was working on a you know my dad had was working on a health issue health issue health issue when i was growing up and he was fasting when i was growing up and he was fasting when i was growing up and he was fasting doing extended fasting doing extended fasting doing extended fasting and so you know as a young person i was and so you know as a young person i was and so you know as a young person i was interested in it we didn't do
04:00interested in it we didn't do interested in it we didn't do i wasn't doing like water fast per se i wasn't doing like water fast per se i wasn't doing like water fast per se but it was like a juice fast or but it was like a juice fast or but it was like a juice fast or you know red apples only even as a kid you know red apples only even as a kid you know red apples only even as a kid yeah just because i mean it wasn't yeah just because i mean it wasn't yeah just because i mean it wasn't extended um and it was always just like extended um and it was always just like extended um and it was always just like because i was interested i wonder if because i was interested i wonder if because i was interested i wonder if like what would it feel like my dad's like what would it feel like my dad's like what would it feel like my dad's doing you know three days doing you know three days doing you know three days a week or whatever and so it's it's a week or whatever and so it's it's a week or whatever and so it's it's planted that question of like planted that question of like planted that question of like well maybe i don't need to eat today well maybe i don't need to eat today well maybe i don't need to eat today like and so that's pretty unique at a like and so that's pretty unique at a like and so that's pretty unique at a young age yeah it is young age yeah it is young age yeah it is and um and i was homeschooled and so i and um and i was homeschooled and so i and um and i was homeschooled and so i got to explore a lot of different areas got to explore a lot of different areas got to explore a lot of different areas you know fly fishing and stuff was you know fly fishing and stuff was you know fly fishing and stuff was a passion growing up and really just a passion growing up and really just a passion growing up and really just made me so cool made me so cool made me so cool uh a learner you know um and uh a learner you know um and uh a learner you know um and willing to research and explore things willing to research and explore things willing to research and explore things on my own and so on my own and so on my own and so yeah anyway coaching volleyball um as i yeah anyway coaching volleyball um as i yeah anyway coaching volleyball um as i started questioning hey like i don't started questioning hey like i don't started questioning hey like i don't feel like i'm performing as well as i feel like i'm performing as well as i feel like i'm performing as well as i could could could um cognitively and then just physically um cognitively and then just physically um cognitively and then just physically it's like hey it's like hey it's like hey i don't i don't have as much time to i don't i don't have as much time to i don't i don't have as much time to exercise or i'm not taking the time exercise or i'm not taking the time exercise or i'm not taking the time maybe it's a better way to maybe it's a better way to maybe it's a better way to put it this is when you're as a coach put it this is when you're as a coach put it this is when you're as a coach yeah yeah and so you know working at it
05:00yeah yeah and so you know working at it yeah yeah and so you know working at it in the big ten coaching volleyball it's in the big ten coaching volleyball it's in the big ten coaching volleyball it's it's pretty intense you know it's pretty intense you know it's pretty intense you know five hours a night and you know up late five hours a night and you know up late five hours a night and you know up late watching tape watching tape watching tape um you know and so you're in front of a um you know and so you're in front of a um you know and so you're in front of a screen until the minute you know you hit screen until the minute you know you hit screen until the minute you know you hit hit the pillow and then hit the pillow and then hit the pillow and then you're up early in the morning at you're up early in the morning at you're up early in the morning at practice and then it's a pretty intense practice and then it's a pretty intense practice and then it's a pretty intense schedule and so schedule and so schedule and so that you know helped me feel into my that you know helped me feel into my that you know helped me feel into my limits and limits and limits and um i wasn't not only in terms of um i wasn't not only in terms of um i wasn't not only in terms of performance but happiness i wasn't where performance but happiness i wasn't where performance but happiness i wasn't where i wanted to be i wanted to be i wanted to be um yeah physically mentally and so um um yeah physically mentally and so um um yeah physically mentally and so um that really started a journey of me that really started a journey of me that really started a journey of me taking ownership of that and i did have taking ownership of that and i did have taking ownership of that and i did have some background and some skills to say some background and some skills to say some background and some skills to say hey hey hey like start asking some pretty relevant like start asking some pretty relevant like start asking some pretty relevant questions about diet questions about diet questions about diet about sleep and so i started kind of about sleep and so i started kind of about sleep and so i started kind of digging into that digging into that digging into that and as i did i just started i think and as i did i just started i think and as i did i just started i think really one of the first things i decided really one of the first things i decided really one of the first things i decided to re-engage was to re-engage was to re-engage was i mean i was i ate really well all i mean i was i ate really well all i mean i was i ate really well all growing up i went to college and it was growing up i went to college and it was growing up i went to college and it was like i'm at a cafeteria like like i'm at a cafeteria like like i'm at a cafeteria like i'm i can't it was just too much to be i'm i can't it was just too much to be i'm i can't it was just too much to be so focused on that in uh at that time in
06:00so focused on that in uh at that time in so focused on that in uh at that time in my life so i kind of just my life so i kind of just my life so i kind of just let go of the reins and eat whatever i let go of the reins and eat whatever i let go of the reins and eat whatever i was still conscious i was was still conscious i was was still conscious i was yeah but um so yeah but um so yeah but um so to re-engage that was like the first to re-engage that was like the first to re-engage that was like the first step was like i just made a commitment step was like i just made a commitment step was like i just made a commitment to myself i'm gonna like turn over and to myself i'm gonna like turn over and to myself i'm gonna like turn over and read the label like i'm gonna know read the label like i'm gonna know read the label like i'm gonna know what's in it i'm gonna start what's in it i'm gonna start what's in it i'm gonna start just learning about that yeah started just learning about that yeah started just learning about that yeah started building awareness back near yeah building awareness back near yeah building awareness back near yeah no real rules around what i was doing no real rules around what i was doing no real rules around what i was doing but it was like hey i'm gonna but it was like hey i'm gonna but it was like hey i'm gonna i'm gonna start doing this that was like i'm gonna start doing this that was like i'm gonna start doing this that was like a first step and from there i started a first step and from there i started a first step and from there i started experimenting with low carb and keto experimenting with low carb and keto experimenting with low carb and keto stuff you know those four or five years stuff you know those four or five years stuff you know those four or five years ago that ago that ago that um maybe a little longer than that that um maybe a little longer than that that um maybe a little longer than that that i was trying starting to play with like i was trying starting to play with like i was trying starting to play with like okay okay okay what did what how do these variables what did what how do these variables what did what how do these variables affect my affect my affect my everyday well-being yeah um and so in everyday well-being yeah um and so in everyday well-being yeah um and so in that journey i just i started digging in that journey i just i started digging in that journey i just i started digging in and i and i and i actually was part of the bulletproof actually was part of the bulletproof actually was part of the bulletproof coaching program years ago coaching program years ago coaching program years ago and um me too oh yeah yeah yeah so that and um me too oh yeah yeah yeah so that and um me too oh yeah yeah yeah so that was that was kind of for me too 2016 was that was kind of for me too 2016 was that was kind of for me too 2016 new york is where i was at okay so i new york is where i was at okay so i new york is where i was at okay so i think i was 2017 new york think i was 2017 new york think i was 2017 new york okay yeah so perfect yeah amazing and so
07:00okay yeah so perfect yeah amazing and so okay yeah so perfect yeah amazing and so i i started that and that i i started that and that i i started that and that um that that assisted with that process um that that assisted with that process um that that assisted with that process of like how i was of like how i was of like how i was you know diving into it you know i that you know diving into it you know i that you know diving into it you know i that wasn't a centerpiece wasn't a centerpiece wasn't a centerpiece in my experience honestly um but in my experience honestly um but in my experience honestly um but that was a part of my exploration and that was a part of my exploration and that was a part of my exploration and and i really and i really and i really my departure from coaching collegiate my departure from coaching collegiate my departure from coaching collegiate volleyball was really based in wanting volleyball was really based in wanting volleyball was really based in wanting to to to um share some of the things i was um share some of the things i was um share some of the things i was discovering discovering discovering um with other people and realizing that um with other people and realizing that um with other people and realizing that in the collegiate in the collegiate in the collegiate athletics scene i i wasn't allowed to do athletics scene i i wasn't allowed to do athletics scene i i wasn't allowed to do that that that like from we had a nutritionist on staff like from we had a nutritionist on staff like from we had a nutritionist on staff we had we had we had you know people on staff that were in you know people on staff that were in you know people on staff that were in positions too and they were positions too and they were positions too and they were professionals and so professionals and so professionals and so yeah the liability side is like i can't yeah the liability side is like i can't yeah the liability side is like i can't tell who are you yeah a bulletproof tell who are you yeah a bulletproof tell who are you yeah a bulletproof coach telling people well i mean i coach telling people well i mean i coach telling people well i mean i wasn't even a bulletproof coach wasn't even a bulletproof coach wasn't even a bulletproof coach you know it was just more like hey you you know it was just more like hey you you know it was just more like hey you have autoimmune things going on on your have autoimmune things going on on your have autoimmune things going on on your team and team and team and you know you know that stuff is is real you know you know that stuff is is real you know you know that stuff is is real and it and it and it affects a huge portion of the population affects a huge portion of the population affects a huge portion of the population and
08:00and and not being able to offer any even not being able to offer any even not being able to offer any even suggestions not i mean suggestions not i mean suggestions not i mean not even like guidance really but just not even like guidance really but just not even like guidance really but just like hey have you thought about like hey have you thought about like hey have you thought about gag order huh for you guys yeah pretty gag order huh for you guys yeah pretty gag order huh for you guys yeah pretty much i mean because much i mean because much i mean because the liability is too great if that the liability is too great if that the liability is too great if that player then that's a lot of money going player then that's a lot of money going player then that's a lot of money going to that college to that college to that college lost or whatever yeah and you don't want lost or whatever yeah and you don't want lost or whatever yeah and you don't want you know people can claim really quickly you know people can claim really quickly you know people can claim really quickly that that the downstream effects whether it be an the downstream effects whether it be an the downstream effects whether it be an eating disorder or whatever you know if eating disorder or whatever you know if eating disorder or whatever you know if you you you chime in with suggestions it's just not chime in with suggestions it's just not chime in with suggestions it's just not really the place for that really the place for that really the place for that um yeah and so it really started um yeah and so it really started um yeah and so it really started weighing on me like i want to weighing on me like i want to weighing on me like i want to share this stuff that is having a share this stuff that is having a share this stuff that is having a positive impact on me positive impact on me positive impact on me and i wanted to broaden my impact in and i wanted to broaden my impact in and i wanted to broaden my impact in that way and so that way and so that way and so long term collegiate volleyball wasn't long term collegiate volleyball wasn't long term collegiate volleyball wasn't where i wanted to be where i wanted to be where i wanted to be i soon realized and i started exploring i soon realized and i started exploring i soon realized and i started exploring and started and started and started helping people you know from a lifestyle helping people you know from a lifestyle helping people you know from a lifestyle coaching standpoint yeah coaching standpoint yeah coaching standpoint yeah because i had done so much exploration because i had done so much exploration because i had done so much exploration and had a skill set that i felt like i and had a skill set that i felt like i and had a skill set that i felt like i could offer could offer could offer some help there and so that's when i some help there and so that's when i some help there and so that's when i first found first found first found the livo2 the oxygen system that i use the livo2 the oxygen system that i use the livo2 the oxygen system that i use and um and um
09:00and um and i i've built my brand oxygen rally and i i've built my brand oxygen rally and i i've built my brand oxygen rally around that around that around that love it so uh you discover livo2 which love it so uh you discover livo2 which love it so uh you discover livo2 which is is is essentially it's a just for everybody essentially it's a just for everybody essentially it's a just for everybody that doesn't know what livo2 is it's a that doesn't know what livo2 is it's a that doesn't know what livo2 is it's a i mean i'm going to say it's a bike with i mean i'm going to say it's a bike with i mean i'm going to say it's a bike with some oxygen some oxygen some oxygen it's not a bike so that's what i was it's not a bike so that's what i was it's not a bike so that's what i was going to ask you is i'm just that's what going to ask you is i'm just that's what going to ask you is i'm just that's what we did today we did today we did today yeah and what i've seen in the past when yeah and what i've seen in the past when yeah and what i've seen in the past when i've done it at the bulletproof i've done it at the bulletproof i've done it at the bulletproof conference it was on a bike conference it was on a bike conference it was on a bike so but you could do it on any kind of so but you could do it on any kind of so but you could do it on any kind of well i know you're going to say like i well i know you're going to say like i well i know you're going to say like i said you could do it on any kind of said you could do it on any kind of said you could do it on any kind of cardiovascular machine but you're going cardiovascular machine but you're going cardiovascular machine but you're going to say to me to say to me to say to me you don't even need a machine it's you don't even need a machine it's you don't even need a machine it's probably yeah you don't need a machine i probably yeah you don't need a machine i probably yeah you don't need a machine i think think think you want a machine though like you want you want a machine though like you want you want a machine though like you want some type of cardio i i know people who some type of cardio i i know people who some type of cardio i i know people who do it with bands or do it with um do it with bands or do it with um do it with bands or do it with um kettlebell or do it with just yeah yeah kettlebell or do it with just yeah yeah kettlebell or do it with just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah body weight movements which is fine but body weight movements which is fine but body weight movements which is fine but really for me the the best way to really for me the the best way to really for me the the best way to experience it is on a cardio machine experience it is on a cardio machine experience it is on a cardio machine the system itself is basically the system itself is basically the system itself is basically separating separating separating room air filtering it and separating it room air filtering it and separating it room air filtering it and separating it for for for to concentrated oxygen and then low
10:00to concentrated oxygen and then low to concentrated oxygen and then low oxygen oxygen oxygen so the low oxygen side essentially is so the low oxygen side essentially is so the low oxygen side essentially is um you know set to 13 um you know set to 13 um you know set to 13 to 14 oxygen which is the equivalent of to 14 oxygen which is the equivalent of to 14 oxygen which is the equivalent of 11 000 feet 11 000 feet 11 000 feet so you have super oxygen on one side and so you have super oxygen on one side and so you have super oxygen on one side and then the low oxygen on the other then the low oxygen on the other then the low oxygen on the other and so so you can you can transition and so so you can you can transition and so so you can you can transition people from a high altitude state people from a high altitude state people from a high altitude state to a super oxygenated state to a super oxygenated state to a super oxygenated state yeah that contrast yeah basically and so yeah that contrast yeah basically and so yeah that contrast yeah basically and so that contrast is is the that contrast is is the that contrast is is the the feature and the feature that i the feature and the feature that i the feature and the feature that i appreciate most is that quick switch appreciate most is that quick switch appreciate most is that quick switch allowing the the user to take ownership allowing the the user to take ownership allowing the the user to take ownership of the session of the session of the session and really start to explore the limits and really start to explore the limits and really start to explore the limits of their of their of their aerobic system limits of their heart and aerobic system limits of their heart and aerobic system limits of their heart and lungs just lungs just lungs just based on feel because it's a pretty based on feel because it's a pretty based on feel because it's a pretty tangible experience tangible experience tangible experience to have a switch that takes you from a to have a switch that takes you from a to have a switch that takes you from a refreshing environment refreshing environment refreshing environment in which you can produce more power to in which you can produce more power to in which you can produce more power to an environment that immediately an environment that immediately an environment that immediately it's like carrying the groceries in when it's like carrying the groceries in when it's like carrying the groceries in when you're up in tahoe like you feel a you're up in tahoe like you feel a you're up in tahoe like you feel a difference difference difference yeah a flight of stairs feels different yeah a flight of stairs feels different yeah a flight of stairs feels different at altitude than
11:00at altitude than at altitude than here at sea level there's so much here at sea level there's so much here at sea level there's so much science and i've heard science and i've heard science and i've heard so many different things people you know so many different things people you know so many different things people you know i guess my question to you is i guess my question to you is i guess my question to you is why even have a machine like this why why even have a machine like this why why even have a machine like this why not just not just not just you know couldn't i just go live in you know couldn't i just go live in you know couldn't i just go live in tahoe for tahoe for tahoe for five months or something and then go five months or something and then go five months or something and then go fight in the mma in a ufc fight or fight in the mma in a ufc fight or fight in the mma in a ufc fight or something or something or something or is there an advantage i guess to is there an advantage i guess to is there an advantage i guess to because you're doing the switching like because you're doing the switching like because you're doing the switching like you're saying you're switching from the you're saying you're switching from the you're saying you're switching from the high altitude to the super saturated high altitude to the super saturated high altitude to the super saturated oxygen oxygen is there is there any science backing is there is there any science backing is there is there any science backing this or is there anything that you've this or is there anything that you've this or is there anything that you've seen just anecdotally like no this is a seen just anecdotally like no this is a seen just anecdotally like no this is a good thing good thing good thing this this contrast is powerful i mean this this contrast is powerful i mean this this contrast is powerful i mean well if you look at the science around well if you look at the science around well if you look at the science around you know altitude i mean that's pretty you know altitude i mean that's pretty you know altitude i mean that's pretty clea that's been re the research clea that's been re the research clea that's been re the research around that is extensive and been around around that is extensive and been around around that is extensive and been around for decades um for decades um for decades um on the the and by the way i always hear on the the and by the way i always hear on the the and by the way i always hear can you i don't know if you know but can you i don't know if you know but can you i don't know if you know but do you want to be is it live high train do you want to be is it live high train do you want to be is it live high train low low low or that's that's kind of the thing that or that's that's kind of the thing that or that's that's kind of the thing that you know people that rings you know people that rings you know people that rings in a lot of people's minds is like hey
12:00in a lot of people's minds is like hey in a lot of people's minds is like hey that's a tradition of like that's a tradition of like that's a tradition of like live high train low and why why would we live high train low and why why would we live high train low and why why would we want to train low well want to train low well want to train low well we're gonna you know it we're gonna be we're gonna you know it we're gonna be we're gonna you know it we're gonna be able to build strength better at sea able to build strength better at sea able to build strength better at sea level level level you know that's traditionally that's how you know that's traditionally that's how you know that's traditionally that's how we think about it and and at altitude we think about it and and at altitude we think about it and and at altitude we're going to build our blood we're going to build our blood we're going to build our blood you know for endurance and so there's you know for endurance and so there's you know for endurance and so there's limits to both environments limits to both environments limits to both environments um in terms of going to altitude has a um in terms of going to altitude has a um in terms of going to altitude has a real effect and i always say altitude real effect and i always say altitude real effect and i always say altitude um it's hypoxic training but if you're um it's hypoxic training but if you're um it's hypoxic training but if you're not in it every day and saying not in it every day and saying not in it every day and saying you can't it can take you for a spin you can't it can take you for a spin you can't it can take you for a spin whether it's hyperoxic or hypoxic whether it's hyperoxic or hypoxic whether it's hyperoxic or hypoxic and so i usually just say altitude yeah and so i usually just say altitude yeah and so i usually just say altitude yeah that makes sense or that makes sense or that makes sense or high oxygen um for the other side yeah high oxygen um for the other side yeah high oxygen um for the other side yeah but even those but even those but even those even those those terms can get really even those those terms can get really even those those terms can get really confusing because it's high confusing because it's high confusing because it's high high oxygen is high oxygen but it's not high oxygen is high oxygen but it's not high oxygen is high oxygen but it's not high altitude right high altitude right high altitude right right so right right so if you catch me right so right right so if you catch me right so right right so if you catch me saying one or the other saying one or the other saying one or the other please help me clarify i'll be sure to please help me clarify i'll be sure to please help me clarify i'll be sure to correct you don't worry yeah but what correct you don't worry yeah but what correct you don't worry yeah but what was your question um train high live low was your question um train high live low was your question um train high live low yeah so i mean there's there's that i yeah so i mean there's there's that i yeah so i mean there's there's that i see even said it backwards yeah see even said it backwards yeah see even said it backwards yeah uh yeah live high train low i mean
13:00uh yeah live high train low i mean uh yeah live high train low i mean you always hear about that i think you always hear about that i think you always hear about that i think that's the preferred method correct is that's the preferred method correct is that's the preferred method correct is to do that to do that to do that so when you had me on the machine i was so when you had me on the machine i was so when you had me on the machine i was here for 15 minutes here for 15 minutes here for 15 minutes you were switching me back and forth um you were switching me back and forth um you were switching me back and forth um is this sort of hack is this like is this sort of hack is this like is this sort of hack is this like hacking me so that i don't have to spend hacking me so that i don't have to spend hacking me so that i don't have to spend so much time living i mean i don't know so much time living i mean i don't know so much time living i mean i don't know i mean in some ways i mean in some ways i mean in some ways you could think of it as like we're you could think of it as like we're you could think of it as like we're going to take that cycle and you know going to take that cycle and you know going to take that cycle and you know i'm not an exercise scientist in terms i'm not an exercise scientist in terms i'm not an exercise scientist in terms of like of like of like the mechanisms of the long-term the mechanisms of the long-term the mechanisms of the long-term adaptations but adaptations but adaptations but in terms of the experience of you on the in terms of the experience of you on the in terms of the experience of you on the bike we're taking that bike we're taking that bike we're taking that um train high or train low live high um train high or train low live high um train high or train low live high and we're shrinking that down into a and we're shrinking that down into a and we're shrinking that down into a really short period of time 15 minutes really short period of time 15 minutes really short period of time 15 minutes guys i was on the bike for 15. i mean it guys i was on the bike for 15. i mean it guys i was on the bike for 15. i mean it was awesome by the way i'm going to talk was awesome by the way i'm going to talk was awesome by the way i'm going to talk about that but about that but about that but so if you were if you were at altitude so if you were if you were at altitude so if you were if you were at altitude and you go up three flights of stairs and you go up three flights of stairs and you go up three flights of stairs you're still at altitude and you still you're still at altitude and you still you're still at altitude and you still have to recover at altitude have to recover at altitude have to recover at altitude if you have the switch on the bike you if you have the switch on the bike you if you have the switch on the bike you can do that work and then recover can do that work and then recover can do that work and then recover and then go do that work again and then
14:00and then go do that work again and then and then go do that work again and then recover and you're going to recover recover and you're going to recover recover and you're going to recover quicker because you have quicker because you have quicker because you have access to four times normal sea level access to four times normal sea level access to four times normal sea level oxygen oxygen okay so perfect so it's a rapid recovery okay so perfect so it's a rapid recovery okay so perfect so it's a rapid recovery so you can think of it as so you can think of it as so you can think of it as rapid recovery for altitude training rapid recovery for altitude training rapid recovery for altitude training that's one way to think about it yeah that's one way to think about it yeah that's one way to think about it yeah and so and so and so from from that standpoint it's really from from that standpoint it's really from from that standpoint it's really efficient efficient efficient and you can train at altitude at sea and you can train at altitude at sea and you can train at altitude at sea level and level and level and you can recover even quicker than if you you can recover even quicker than if you you can recover even quicker than if you were at sea level because technically if were at sea level because technically if were at sea level because technically if we just had an altitude generator we just had an altitude generator we just had an altitude generator we keep that altitude effect right come we keep that altitude effect right come we keep that altitude effect right come back to room air and it's back to room air and it's back to room air and it's going to help us recover faster than if going to help us recover faster than if going to help us recover faster than if we were truly at altitude so that is we were truly at altitude so that is we were truly at altitude so that is that is contrast therapy that is contrast therapy that is contrast therapy in and of itself now the elevated level in and of itself now the elevated level in and of itself now the elevated level of oxygen is going to enhance that of oxygen is going to enhance that of oxygen is going to enhance that but that's the principle okay what are but that's the principle okay what are but that's the principle okay what are uh and this is referred to as ewot uh and this is referred to as ewot uh and this is referred to as ewot training right training right training right ewot really just encapsulates i mean it ewot really just encapsulates i mean it ewot really just encapsulates i mean it stands for exercise with oxygen therapy stands for exercise with oxygen therapy stands for exercise with oxygen therapy or exercise with oxygen training
15:00or exercise with oxygen training or exercise with oxygen training but really that's just the oxygen side but really that's just the oxygen side but really that's just the oxygen side that's supplemental oxygen that's supplemental oxygen that's supplemental oxygen now okay so there's some devices out now okay so there's some devices out now okay so there's some devices out there that just do that i think there that just do that i think there that just do that i think yeah yeah and that's you know that's yeah yeah and that's you know that's yeah yeah and that's you know that's pretty commonplace a lot of people rig pretty commonplace a lot of people rig pretty commonplace a lot of people rig up stuff um up stuff um up stuff um but the the real like like i'm saying but the the real like like i'm saying but the the real like like i'm saying the contrast is really the the contrast is really the the contrast is really the the unique aspect to that's like the the unique aspect to that's like the the unique aspect to that's like the bang for your buck right bang for your buck right bang for your buck right that's like where you're getting your that's like where you're getting your that's like where you're getting your that's where you're getting your money's that's where you're getting your money's that's where you're getting your money's worth per se yeah and the more advanced worth per se yeah and the more advanced worth per se yeah and the more advanced you get the the less you rely on the you get the the less you rely on the you get the the less you rely on the super oxygen but it also depends on your super oxygen but it also depends on your super oxygen but it also depends on your goals goals goals if you're if you're looking to develop if you're if you're looking to develop if you're if you're looking to develop your peak power you might use the your peak power you might use the your peak power you might use the um supplemental oxygen side a bit more um supplemental oxygen side a bit more um supplemental oxygen side a bit more or if you're if you're just working on a or if you're if you're just working on a or if you're if you're just working on a health issue and so if i'm working on health issue and so if i'm working on health issue and so if i'm working on endurance i'm not going to spend all my endurance i'm not going to spend all my endurance i'm not going to spend all my time on super oxygen time on super oxygen time on super oxygen i'm going to actually lean on at the i'm going to actually lean on at the i'm going to actually lean on at the altitude side quite a bit more altitude side quite a bit more altitude side quite a bit more yeah so what um yeah so what um yeah so what um i think the big thing is then what are i think the big thing is then what are i think the big thing is then what are what are clients seeing what are people what are clients seeing what are people what are clients seeing what are people that that are walking through your doors that that are walking through your doors that that are walking through your doors what are they what are they what are they what are the effects they're seeing or what are the effects they're seeing or what are the effects they're seeing or athletes or anybody athletes or anybody athletes or anybody you know again i just went for 15
16:00you know again i just went for 15 you know again i just went for 15 minutes but i mean minutes but i mean minutes but i mean are you seeing people what are some of are you seeing people what are some of are you seeing people what are some of the results that we're getting it's fun the results that we're getting it's fun the results that we're getting it's fun because and i always lower expectations because and i always lower expectations because and i always lower expectations because especially when i walked in because especially when i walked in because especially when i walked in right i always lower people's expectations um i always lower people's expectations um in terms of in terms of in terms of like what is this going to do for me and like what is this going to do for me and like what is this going to do for me and i always dial back and say all right i always dial back and say all right i always dial back and say all right well well well movement is medicine right like i can movement is medicine right like i can movement is medicine right like i can say that and say that and say that and everyone like yeah when you move it it everyone like yeah when you move it it everyone like yeah when you move it it helps helps helps us detoxify you know moving the moving us detoxify you know moving the moving us detoxify you know moving the moving blood moving lymph blood moving lymph blood moving lymph you know those systems are meant to you know those systems are meant to you know those systems are meant to detoxify us and help us detoxify us and help us detoxify us and help us maintain health it helps energize us maintain health it helps energize us maintain health it helps energize us right and so right and so right and so just if we can agree on movement as just if we can agree on movement as just if we can agree on movement as medicine exercise is this really medicine exercise is this really medicine exercise is this really beneficial thing beneficial thing beneficial thing for our health and so what people can for our health and so what people can for our health and so what people can expect expect expect i'll then i'd point to hey you have 70 i'll then i'd point to hey you have 70 i'll then i'd point to hey you have 70 000 miles 000 miles 000 miles of veins arteries and capillaries and so of veins arteries and capillaries and so of veins arteries and capillaries and so for me to say this is how it's going to for me to say this is how it's going to for me to say this is how it's going to help you joel help you joel help you joel right here in this muscle or this joint
17:00right here in this muscle or this joint right here in this muscle or this joint we're going to see it change that would we're going to see it change that would we're going to see it change that would be a bit audacious for me to say be a bit audacious for me to say be a bit audacious for me to say even if i was a doctor yeah and so when even if i was a doctor yeah and so when even if i was a doctor yeah and so when we think about your we think about your we think about your cardiovascular system as that giant i cardiovascular system as that giant i cardiovascular system as that giant i mean your cardiovascular system mean your cardiovascular system mean your cardiovascular system has enough mileage to wrap around the has enough mileage to wrap around the has enough mileage to wrap around the globe three times globe three times globe three times yeah you know 70 it's it's crazy and so yeah you know 70 it's it's crazy and so yeah you know 70 it's it's crazy and so with that in mind we can then go start with that in mind we can then go start with that in mind we can then go start exploring with this and say hey can we exploring with this and say hey can we exploring with this and say hey can we increase circulation and help i mean increase circulation and help i mean increase circulation and help i mean that's a super high way to that's a super high way to that's a super high way to deliver nutrients to your tissues like deliver nutrients to your tissues like deliver nutrients to your tissues like that oxygen is a nutrient that your body that oxygen is a nutrient that your body that oxygen is a nutrient that your body requires to produce energy requires to produce energy requires to produce energy right and so if we're if we're right and so if we're if we're right and so if we're if we're increasing nutrient delivery increasing nutrient delivery increasing nutrient delivery throughout the body systems are going to throughout the body systems are going to throughout the body systems are going to be upgraded be upgraded be upgraded right and the ones that the way in which right and the ones that the way in which right and the ones that the way in which it impacts you is going to be different it impacts you is going to be different it impacts you is going to be different than it than it than it impacts me because you might have impacts me because you might have impacts me because you might have different deficits you might have a different deficits you might have a different deficits you might have a different different different history of injury you might have a history of injury you might have a history of injury you might have a shoulder thing going on or shoulder thing going on or shoulder thing going on or something in your liver that responds something in your liver that responds something in your liver that responds differently vital organs differently vital organs differently vital organs and we might we might see a different
18:00and we might we might see a different and we might we might see a different upgrade happen in you than would happen upgrade happen in you than would happen upgrade happen in you than would happen for me so yeah it's it's a little bit um for me so yeah it's it's a little bit um for me so yeah it's it's a little bit um i always lower the expectations that way i always lower the expectations that way i always lower the expectations that way but on the other side but on the other side but on the other side i really encourage awareness for people i really encourage awareness for people i really encourage awareness for people so i had a client come in and she so i had a client come in and she so i had a client come in and she booked a three session intro and got off booked a three session intro and got off booked a three session intro and got off on her first session and she was going on her first session and she was going on her first session and she was going out out out she she was like hey is it possible that she she was like hey is it possible that she she was like hey is it possible that like my neck like my neck like my neck pain could have gone away because of pain could have gone away because of pain could have gone away because of this and i was like this and i was like this and i was like and again you know we'd already talked and again you know we'd already talked and again you know we'd already talked about like circulation and about like circulation and about like circulation and i was like yeah it actually is quite i was like yeah it actually is quite i was like yeah it actually is quite possible that when you improve possible that when you improve possible that when you improve circulation circulation circulation you relieve some even local inflammation you relieve some even local inflammation you relieve some even local inflammation just an area of your body that's just an area of your body that's just an area of your body that's struggling and so struggling and so struggling and so i was like well like next few sessions i was like well like next few sessions i was like well like next few sessions let's follow up and you know let me know let's follow up and you know let me know let's follow up and you know let me know how that feels how that feels how that feels and she came back and she's like well i and she came back and she's like well i and she came back and she's like well i slept through the night you know slept through the night you know slept through the night you know and normally i wake up like five times and normally i wake up like five times and normally i wake up like five times and i wake up and i'm groggy and i feel and i wake up and i'm groggy and i feel and i wake up and i'm groggy and i feel like i've been like i've been
19:00like i've been up all night and so in the series of her up all night and so in the series of her up all night and so in the series of her her eight session series her sleep just her eight session series her sleep just her eight session series her sleep just kept on getting better kept on getting better kept on getting better and what did she initially come in for and what did she initially come in for and what did she initially come in for she came in for exercise she came in for exercise she came in for exercise yeah and she got all these other yeah and she got all these other yeah and she got all these other downstream yeah and she was she was downstream yeah and she was she was downstream yeah and she was she was interested in interested in interested in oh it seems to have some other benefits oh it seems to have some other benefits oh it seems to have some other benefits like it's it is like it's it is like it's it is a new thing to people and yeah it's it's a new thing to people and yeah it's it's a new thing to people and yeah it's it's a technology so people a technology so people a technology so people people bring this expectation to a people bring this expectation to a people bring this expectation to a technology because maybe this can be the technology because maybe this can be the technology because maybe this can be the difference you know right difference you know right difference you know right magic pill but ultimately it's it we're magic pill but ultimately it's it we're magic pill but ultimately it's it we're breathing and we're moving breathing and we're moving breathing and we're moving and so we're enhancing some of those and so we're enhancing some of those and so we're enhancing some of those things and but things and but things and but you know i i never like to be all about you know i i never like to be all about you know i i never like to be all about the technology the technology the technology because you take you know because you take you know because you take you know a lot of breaths every day and people a lot of breaths every day and people a lot of breaths every day and people throw i mean the average everyone's throw i mean the average everyone's throw i mean the average everyone's going to be different your respiratory going to be different your respiratory going to be different your respiratory rate rate rate is different than my respiratory rate is different than my respiratory rate is different than my respiratory rate but if we can change your breath but if we can change your breath but if we can change your breath the way in which you're breathing that's the way in which you're breathing that's the way in which you're breathing that's the the the the most vital touch point your vital the most vital touch point your vital the most vital touch point your vital daily daily daily touch point in how you're interfacing touch point in how you're interfacing touch point in how you're interfacing with your environment yeah with your environment yeah with your environment yeah and so anyway over eight sessions her
20:00and so anyway over eight sessions her and so anyway over eight sessions her neck pain really just neck pain really just neck pain really just went away she said it went from a 10 to went away she said it went from a 10 to went away she said it went from a 10 to maybe like a two or maybe like a two or maybe like a two or three wow the fact that she's sleeping three wow the fact that she's sleeping three wow the fact that she's sleeping every night is huge every night is huge every night is huge yeah and it really is and she's she was yeah and it really is and she's she was yeah and it really is and she's she was in the you know age bracket in the you know age bracket in the you know age bracket um i think 50 plus you know yeah um um i think 50 plus you know yeah um um i think 50 plus you know yeah um and there's actually a little and there's actually a little and there's actually a little testimonial of her talking about it on testimonial of her talking about it on testimonial of her talking about it on my instagram my instagram my instagram you know on one of the highlights um but you know on one of the highlights um but you know on one of the highlights um but it was just really it was really cool it was just really it was really cool it was just really it was really cool that was unexpected for her that was unexpected for her that was unexpected for her unexpected for me i mean it was pain she unexpected for me i mean it was pain she unexpected for me i mean it was pain she had for a decade had for a decade had for a decade yeah because of her it's amazing her yeah because of her it's amazing her yeah because of her it's amazing her work um work um work um but so that's an example but other but so that's an example but other but so that's an example but other people see very people see very people see very i've had an old guy get off the bike he i've had an old guy get off the bike he i've had an old guy get off the bike he came down for a demo because he was came down for a demo because he was came down for a demo because he was thinking about buying one thinking about buying one thinking about buying one um so that's one thing i do hear people um so that's one thing i do hear people um so that's one thing i do hear people that are interested in buying one you that are interested in buying one you that are interested in buying one you know they come in and get a demo or a know they come in and get a demo or a know they come in and get a demo or a three-part experience three-part experience three-part experience he came in and he was like feeling good he came in and he was like feeling good he came in and he was like feeling good and he he did it and and he he did it and and he he did it and got off the bike and he's like like he got off the bike and he's like like he got off the bike and he's like like he was looking out these windows here and was looking out these windows here and was looking out these windows here and he's taking his glasses off and putting he's taking his glasses off and putting he's taking his glasses off and putting him back on him back on him back on i can read the signs across the street i can read the signs across the street i can read the signs across the street i'm like whoa like that's
21:00i'm like whoa like that's i'm like whoa like that's yeah that's pretty cool and he's like is yeah that's pretty cool and he's like is yeah that's pretty cool and he's like is it possible it possible it possible and i was like yeah maybe yeah yeah and and i was like yeah maybe yeah yeah and and i was like yeah maybe yeah yeah and actually actually actually the visual aspect is the thing that i the visual aspect is the thing that i the visual aspect is the thing that i noticed first because i wasn't managing noticed first because i wasn't managing noticed first because i wasn't managing any any any you know specific health issues but i you know specific health issues but i you know specific health issues but i was playing tennis pretty regularly was playing tennis pretty regularly was playing tennis pretty regularly and i'm i'm not an extremely good tennis and i'm i'm not an extremely good tennis and i'm i'm not an extremely good tennis player but i player but i player but i i played enough that i i know my game i played enough that i i know my game i played enough that i i know my game yeah and i'm i'm learning it and so i'm yeah and i'm i'm learning it and so i'm yeah and i'm i'm learning it and so i'm pretty dialed into my learning process pretty dialed into my learning process pretty dialed into my learning process and then and then and then i didn't play tennis for maybe two weeks i didn't play tennis for maybe two weeks i didn't play tennis for maybe two weeks two two two three four weeks because i got this and three four weeks because i got this and three four weeks because i got this and i was doing sessions and i was i was doing sessions and i was i was doing sessions and i was you know working on the business and you know working on the business and you know working on the business and then i went back to tennis and it was then i went back to tennis and it was then i went back to tennis and it was like like like every stroke got one level better every stroke got one level better every stroke got one level better and that's where it was it wasn't like and that's where it was it wasn't like and that's where it was it wasn't like oh i'm having a good forehand day sweet oh i'm having a good forehand day sweet oh i'm having a good forehand day sweet that happens all the time like for me as that happens all the time like for me as that happens all the time like for me as a low-level tense player you're like oh a low-level tense player you're like oh a low-level tense player you're like oh i have a good forehand day i have a good forehand day i have a good forehand day but my backhand sucks and the next time but my backhand sucks and the next time but my backhand sucks and the next time it's like well my backhand is great and it's like well my backhand is great and it's like well my backhand is great and then this is struggling then this is struggling then this is struggling that but since after spending those that but since after spending those that but since after spending those three four weeks initially doing a lot three four weeks initially doing a lot three four weeks initially doing a lot of sessions it was like
22:00of sessions it was like of sessions it was like everything was just a little bit better everything was just a little bit better everything was just a little bit better and i so i was asking and i so i was asking and i so i was asking um about that and i was like it's like um about that and i was like it's like um about that and i was like it's like my visual acuity my visual acuity my visual acuity kind of just took a little jump up kind of just took a little jump up kind of just took a little jump up interesting and if you think about like interesting and if you think about like interesting and if you think about like the mitochondrial density of the eye the mitochondrial density of the eye the mitochondrial density of the eye they require a lot yeah of the heart of they require a lot yeah of the heart of they require a lot yeah of the heart of the brain the brain consumes the brain the brain consumes the brain the brain consumes a huge portion of the oxygen that we a huge portion of the oxygen that we a huge portion of the oxygen that we consume consume consume um and so if you think of it from that um and so if you think of it from that um and so if you think of it from that standpoint it's like standpoint it's like standpoint it's like well that kind of makes sense and so well that kind of makes sense and so well that kind of makes sense and so you know that that's one thing i've you know that that's one thing i've you know that that's one thing i've noticed i'm trying to think of some noticed i'm trying to think of some noticed i'm trying to think of some other examples of other examples of other examples of yeah i mean there was a guy here that yeah i mean there was a guy here that yeah i mean there was a guy here that was he was really motivated and did a was he was really motivated and did a was he was really motivated and did a lot of sessions lot of sessions lot of sessions in a short period of time which in a short period of time which in a short period of time which generally helps jump start that so i generally helps jump start that so i generally helps jump start that so i get people started with a little um get people started with a little um get people started with a little um more intense schedule and then they more intense schedule and then they more intense schedule and then they taper off in terms of taper off in terms of taper off in terms of like meanings kind of yeah what fits for like meanings kind of yeah what fits for like meanings kind of yeah what fits for further um further um further um lifestyle um but he just he was lifestyle um but he just he was lifestyle um but he just he was he was he was a tracker and he kept he was he was a tracker and he kept he was he was a tracker and he kept track of everything and he was just track of everything and he was just track of everything and he was just his mood everything that he manually his mood everything that he manually his mood everything that he manually tracked was everything was increasing
23:00tracked was everything was increasing tracked was everything was increasing and so sleep scores is one that and so sleep scores is one that and so sleep scores is one that oftentimes improves people that wear an oftentimes improves people that wear an oftentimes improves people that wear an aura ring or something like that yeah aura ring or something like that yeah aura ring or something like that yeah i rented a system to a guy that and it i rented a system to a guy that and it i rented a system to a guy that and it was i'll have to track my sleep tonight was i'll have to track my sleep tonight was i'll have to track my sleep tonight yeah people noticed that and but it yeah people noticed that and but it yeah people noticed that and but it could go the other way you could could go the other way you could could go the other way you could because the detox potential you could be because the detox potential you could be because the detox potential you could be really restless really restless really restless now why would there be a detox potential now why would there be a detox potential now why would there be a detox potential can you talk about that yeah i mean so can you talk about that yeah i mean so can you talk about that yeah i mean so you're again so just so everybody knows you're again so just so everybody knows you're again so just so everybody knows you're we we did a 15-minute session you're we we did a 15-minute session you're we we did a 15-minute session today where i'm today where i'm today where i'm i'm saturating my body with oxygen as i'm saturating my body with oxygen as i'm saturating my body with oxygen as i'm as i'm pedaling on a bike i'm as i'm pedaling on a bike i'm as i'm pedaling on a bike and then and i don't know if we even and then and i don't know if we even and then and i don't know if we even before we talk about the detox can you before we talk about the detox can you before we talk about the detox can you kind of explain i don't think we kind of explain i don't think we kind of explain i don't think we even really delved in because yeah you even really delved in because yeah you even really delved in because yeah you you just you know you're kind of you just you know you're kind of you just you know you're kind of downplaying it you're like oh just downplaying it you're like oh just downplaying it you're like oh just movement is medicine which i agree with movement is medicine which i agree with movement is medicine which i agree with but don't sell yourself short i mean but don't sell yourself short i mean but don't sell yourself short i mean what we're doing here is what we're doing here is what we're doing here is because i remember when we did the on because i remember when we did the on because i remember when we did the on the bike you were explaining how like the bike you were explaining how like the bike you were explaining how like the capillaries and everything's getting the capillaries and everything's getting the capillaries and everything's getting more oxygenated so there's yeah yeah you more oxygenated so there's yeah yeah you more oxygenated so there's yeah yeah you know so know so know so i'm on the bike i'm pedaling and i'm i'm on the bike i'm pedaling and i'm i'm on the bike i'm pedaling and i'm saturating my blood with this oxygen and saturating my blood with this oxygen and saturating my blood with this oxygen and then you then you then you take it away from me and i go into this take it away from me and i go into this take it away from me and i go into this altitude state um
24:00altitude state um altitude state um a hypoxic state and now i'm still a hypoxic state and now i'm still a hypoxic state and now i'm still pedaling pedaling pedaling and then you would rub it back up so and then you would rub it back up so and then you would rub it back up so there's back and forth there's back and forth there's back and forth um so first can you just kind of explain um so first can you just kind of explain um so first can you just kind of explain maybe like on a maybe like on a maybe like on a biological level yeah sure why you know biological level yeah sure why you know biological level yeah sure why you know i think you could i think you could i think you could explain something about the hemoglobin explain something about the hemoglobin explain something about the hemoglobin and getting you know more oxygen and getting you know more oxygen and getting you know more oxygen and then we can talk about the detox and and then we can talk about the detox and and then we can talk about the detox and why some people might get that effect why some people might get that effect why some people might get that effect yeah so i mean the blood chemistry is yeah so i mean the blood chemistry is yeah so i mean the blood chemistry is really important to this discussion really important to this discussion really important to this discussion because because because most people if you wear a pulse oximeter most people if you wear a pulse oximeter most people if you wear a pulse oximeter most people will be from most people will be from most people will be from 96 to 100 and you know that's 96 to 100 and you know that's 96 to 100 and you know that's pretty fully saturated that's kind of pretty fully saturated that's kind of pretty fully saturated that's kind of standard now if you go standard now if you go standard now if you go we'll just use the flight of stairs for we'll just use the flight of stairs for we'll just use the flight of stairs for an example if you go up one or two an example if you go up one or two an example if you go up one or two flights of stairs flights of stairs flights of stairs your breath pattern probably changes your breath pattern probably changes your breath pattern probably changes right and if you put the pulse oximeter right and if you put the pulse oximeter right and if you put the pulse oximeter on on on at the top of that flight of stairs at the top of that flight of stairs at the top of that flight of stairs oftentimes oftentimes oftentimes you'll see you're still at 98 percent or you'll see you're still at 98 percent or you'll see you're still at 98 percent or 97 97 97 but your respiratory rate has changed a but your respiratory rate has changed a but your respiratory rate has changed a lot lot lot your body is compensating for this your body is compensating for this your body is compensating for this stress that you've introduced stress that you've introduced stress that you've introduced and so what what you'll realize is that
25:00and so what what you'll realize is that and so what what you'll realize is that your body isn't responding to your body isn't responding to your body isn't responding to a lack of oxygen you're carrying a lot a lack of oxygen you're carrying a lot a lack of oxygen you're carrying a lot of oxygen in your blood your of oxygen in your blood your of oxygen in your blood your your body is responding to the buildup your body is responding to the buildup your body is responding to the buildup of co2 your metabolism was working of co2 your metabolism was working of co2 your metabolism was working you're producing energy to get up that you're producing energy to get up that you're producing energy to get up that flight of stairs flight of stairs flight of stairs and so you have more co2 in your blood and so you have more co2 in your blood and so you have more co2 in your blood and if you're not co2 tolerant and if you're not co2 tolerant and if you're not co2 tolerant you're you're gonna need to huff and you're you're gonna need to huff and you're you're gonna need to huff and puff and puff and puff and get rid of some of this co2 and so get rid of some of this co2 and so get rid of some of this co2 and so when you do so you'll kind of find your when you do so you'll kind of find your when you do so you'll kind of find your comfort level again comfort level again comfort level again okay but what we really try to do and okay but what we really try to do and okay but what we really try to do and educate people around is hey we can educate people around is hey we can educate people around is hey we can actually become more efficient actually become more efficient actually become more efficient at utilizing the oxygen that's already at utilizing the oxygen that's already at utilizing the oxygen that's already in the blood in the blood in the blood and so a little bit of desaturation in and so a little bit of desaturation in and so a little bit of desaturation in response to activity response to activity response to activity if you're breathing appropriately may if you're breathing appropriately may if you're breathing appropriately may happen and so happen and so happen and so um getting back to why that's important um getting back to why that's important um getting back to why that's important is well is well is well if we can improve your co2 tolerance if we can improve your co2 tolerance if we can improve your co2 tolerance you're moving you're exercising you're moving you're exercising you're moving you're exercising your body is producing energy to meet your body is producing energy to meet your body is producing energy to meet the stress the stress the stress then we can then you can breathe more
26:00then we can then you can breathe more then we can then you can breathe more steadily steadily steadily you don't need to hyperventilate and you don't need to hyperventilate and you don't need to hyperventilate and people think of hyperventilating people think of hyperventilating people think of hyperventilating ventilating as like a panic attack right ventilating as like a panic attack right ventilating as like a panic attack right that is an example that is an example that is an example but there's more low-level but there's more low-level but there's more low-level hyperventilation that happens hyperventilation that happens hyperventilation that happens it's basically yeah is your breath it's basically yeah is your breath it's basically yeah is your breath inappropriate for the activity inappropriate for the activity inappropriate for the activity so when you go up a flight of stairs and so when you go up a flight of stairs and so when you go up a flight of stairs and you're you know you're with someone you're you know you're with someone you're you know you're with someone who's super fit and who's super fit and who's super fit and they're not breathing and you are you they're not breathing and you are you they're not breathing and you are you might be like yeah i feel like might be like yeah i feel like might be like yeah i feel like a little self-conscious like why am i a little self-conscious like why am i a little self-conscious like why am i breathing so hard yeah but breathing so hard yeah but breathing so hard yeah but you know so that's what i would say hey you know so that's what i would say hey you know so that's what i would say hey you're breathing inappropriately for the you're breathing inappropriately for the you're breathing inappropriately for the activity level activity level activity level right and so if that's the case then right and so if that's the case then right and so if that's the case then what what what what is the blood chemistry of that and what is the blood chemistry of that and what is the blood chemistry of that and the co2 tolerance is the co2 tolerance is the co2 tolerance is that's where co2 tolerance comes in so that's where co2 tolerance comes in so that's where co2 tolerance comes in so and we can talk about why what actually and we can talk about why what actually and we can talk about why what actually is happening there the bohr effect if is happening there the bohr effect if is happening there the bohr effect if you've heard of the bohr effect you've heard of the bohr effect you've heard of the bohr effect yeah yeah i know there's uh patrick yeah yeah i know there's uh patrick yeah yeah i know there's uh patrick mccowan talks a lot about the oxygen mccowan talks a lot about the oxygen mccowan talks a lot about the oxygen advantage yeah buteyko uh breathing advantage yeah buteyko uh breathing advantage yeah buteyko uh breathing but uh yeah but i mean explain that for but uh yeah but i mean explain that for but uh yeah but i mean explain that for everybody because i mean everybody because i mean everybody because i mean i could get that book has been
27:00i could get that book has been i could get that book has been foundational to foundational to foundational to you know my exploration of breathing um you know my exploration of breathing um you know my exploration of breathing um nasal breathing being part of that nasal breathing being part of that nasal breathing being part of that um and co2 um and co2 um and co2 it and i you know the bohr effect if you it and i you know the bohr effect if you it and i you know the bohr effect if you google you'll find a bunch of videos google you'll find a bunch of videos google you'll find a bunch of videos people on the whiteboard drawing the the people on the whiteboard drawing the the people on the whiteboard drawing the the oxyhemoglobin disassociation curve but oxyhemoglobin disassociation curve but oxyhemoglobin disassociation curve but the problem with even just that phrase the problem with even just that phrase the problem with even just that phrase it's like it's like it's like like it feels like how am i gonna like it feels like how am i gonna like it feels like how am i gonna understand understand understand this whole thing when that phrase is this whole thing when that phrase is this whole thing when that phrase is just intimidating to most people to just intimidating to most people to just intimidating to most people to begin with begin with begin with but the way i like to just describe it but the way i like to just describe it but the way i like to just describe it is you know is you know is you know in the presence of co2 oxygen becomes in the presence of co2 oxygen becomes in the presence of co2 oxygen becomes less less less sticky to the hemoglobin okay and sticky to the hemoglobin okay and sticky to the hemoglobin okay and hemoglobin is the protein hemoglobin is the protein hemoglobin is the protein the oxygen binding protein in the red the oxygen binding protein in the red the oxygen binding protein in the red blood cell blood cell blood cell okay so if you think about when we're okay so if you think about when we're okay so if you think about when we're breathing breathing breathing if i'm breathing in through my nose out through my nose in through my nose out through my nose calmly calmly calmly i'm at a pretty comfortable state when i i'm at a pretty comfortable state when i i'm at a pretty comfortable state when i start huffing and puffing start huffing and puffing start huffing and puffing my body is essentially in oxygen my body is essentially in oxygen my body is essentially in oxygen collection mode
28:00collection mode collection mode we're trying to collect and deliver we're trying to collect and deliver we're trying to collect and deliver oxygen but the problem is we're already oxygen but the problem is we're already oxygen but the problem is we're already we've already exceeded our our comfort we've already exceeded our our comfort we've already exceeded our our comfort or sustainable capacity or sustainable capacity or sustainable capacity right so in order to collect oxygen we right so in order to collect oxygen we right so in order to collect oxygen we get rid of co2 which makes get rid of co2 which makes get rid of co2 which makes oxygen more sticky to hemoglobin so i'm oxygen more sticky to hemoglobin so i'm oxygen more sticky to hemoglobin so i'm in collection mode when i'm in collection mode when i'm in collection mode when i'm like i need to get more oxygen deliver like i need to get more oxygen deliver like i need to get more oxygen deliver it and get back to it and get back to it and get back to recovery yeah homeostasis but if i'm in recovery yeah homeostasis but if i'm in recovery yeah homeostasis but if i'm in working mode i can be breathing very working mode i can be breathing very working mode i can be breathing very evenly and building up co2 in the blood evenly and building up co2 in the blood evenly and building up co2 in the blood to a point where oxygen is released to to a point where oxygen is released to to a point where oxygen is released to the tissues the tissues the tissues and so if you it it becomes less sticky and so if you it it becomes less sticky and so if you it it becomes less sticky to the hemoglobin so to the hemoglobin so to the hemoglobin so it can now be released to the working it can now be released to the working it can now be released to the working tissues the vital organs tissues the vital organs tissues the vital organs so when you're doing this on the machine so when you're doing this on the machine so when you're doing this on the machine then then then i'm assuming that's what's happening too i'm assuming that's what's happening too i'm assuming that's what's happening too you're getting you're getting you're getting it's becoming less sticky right you're it's becoming less sticky right you're it's becoming less sticky right you're you're delivering oxygen in places that you're delivering oxygen in places that you're delivering oxygen in places that it may not it can be but that's that's it may not it can be but that's that's it may not it can be but that's that's where it's interesting is where it's interesting is where it's interesting is in almost any situation you can choose
29:00in almost any situation you can choose in almost any situation you can choose to hyperventilate to hyperventilate to hyperventilate and outpace the stimulus right and outpace the stimulus right and outpace the stimulus right and so that's where i really encourage and so that's where i really encourage and so that's where i really encourage people to even people to even people to even system aside is like are you training or system aside is like are you training or system aside is like are you training or are you performing are you performing are you performing because the way we breathe very often because the way we breathe very often because the way we breathe very often we're performing we're performing we're performing and we might think well it's not game and we might think well it's not game and we might think well it's not game day i'm not day i'm not day i'm not you know but what is the stage that you know but what is the stage that you know but what is the stage that you're performing on you might be you're performing on you might be you're performing on you might be performing performing performing if you're in a gym for the people next if you're in a gym for the people next if you're in a gym for the people next to you to you to you your ego how you match up with the your ego how you match up with the your ego how you match up with the people around you people around you people around you yeah if you're out on a run by yourself yeah if you're out on a run by yourself yeah if you're out on a run by yourself you might you might you might be performing against your own ego in be performing against your own ego in be performing against your own ego in terms of like terms of like terms of like hey i want to like kick ass i want to be hey i want to like kick ass i want to be hey i want to like kick ass i want to be i want to perform here i want to perform here i want to perform here but in reality that may not serve your but in reality that may not serve your but in reality that may not serve your training purpose training purpose training purpose yeah and so going at a pace in which yeah and so going at a pace in which yeah and so going at a pace in which you're building co2 you're building co2 you're building co2 and maintaining co2 and improving your and maintaining co2 and improving your and maintaining co2 and improving your oxygen oxygen efficiency the release of oxygen to the efficiency the release of oxygen to the efficiency the release of oxygen to the tissues may offer you more benefits tissues may offer you more benefits tissues may offer you more benefits than pushing your capacity and just over than pushing your capacity and just over than pushing your capacity and just over breathing breathing over compensating because i've um i've
30:00over compensating because i've um i've over compensating because i've um i've worked with really high level athletes worked with really high level athletes worked with really high level athletes that that you know and we've done metabolic tests you know and we've done metabolic tests you know and we've done metabolic tests on them and they've on them and they've on them and they've they have a high vo2 they could they can they have a high vo2 they could they can they have a high vo2 they could they can perform perform perform but they're also their breath patterns but they're also their breath patterns but they're also their breath patterns are really stressful are really stressful are really stressful they're carrying stress up here and when they're carrying stress up here and when they're carrying stress up here and when they're breathing hard they're breathing hard they're breathing hard they're essentially professional over they're essentially professional over they're essentially professional over compensators compensators compensators yes and so you know that's where i think yes and so you know that's where i think yes and so you know that's where i think the the i'm trying to return to your initial i'm trying to return to your initial i'm trying to return to your initial question there but question there but question there but the the co2 tolerance is essential and the the co2 tolerance is essential and the the co2 tolerance is essential and and really make under and really make under and really make under really making a decision am i going to really making a decision am i going to really making a decision am i going to go out and train on this run go out and train on this run go out and train on this run or am i performing that to me that or am i performing that to me that or am i performing that to me that distinction is really important because distinction is really important because distinction is really important because then it then it then it it kind of corners your egos like what it kind of corners your egos like what it kind of corners your egos like what am i performing for i actually want to am i performing for i actually want to am i performing for i actually want to get better at this get better at this get better at this this isn't game day and i want to this isn't game day and i want to this isn't game day and i want to improve my improve my improve my efficiency yeah i love that efficiency yeah i love that efficiency yeah i love that um and then talk about the detox effect um and then talk about the detox effect um and then talk about the detox effect that you can get that you can get that you can get from doing um you know from doing um you know from doing um you know from doing the bike with the oxygen here from doing the bike with the oxygen here from doing the bike with the oxygen here at oxygen rally yeah i mean
31:00at oxygen rally yeah i mean at oxygen rally yeah i mean if you think about inflammation in the if you think about inflammation in the if you think about inflammation in the cardiovascular system cardiovascular system cardiovascular system i mean i i'm not going to speak to i mean i i'm not going to speak to i mean i i'm not going to speak to inflammation you know from a medical inflammation you know from a medical inflammation you know from a medical standpoint standpoint standpoint but just you know i know that when i eat but just you know i know that when i eat but just you know i know that when i eat chinese food chinese food chinese food like my ring size changes right like my ring size changes right like my ring size changes right interesting right interesting right interesting right and or like i feel a little i can finish and or like i feel a little i can finish and or like i feel a little i can finish a certain meal and say did i just gain a certain meal and say did i just gain a certain meal and say did i just gain two pounds like no i didn't gain two pounds like no i didn't gain two pounds like no i didn't gain two visible pounds there's something two visible pounds there's something two visible pounds there's something going on in my tissue that's going on in my tissue that's going on in my tissue that's that's not great right and it's whether that's not great right and it's whether that's not great right and it's whether it's love handles it's love handles it's love handles hear dave ashby talk about like muffin hear dave ashby talk about like muffin hear dave ashby talk about like muffin top of your brain top of your brain top of your brain yeah right and so kind of tuning into yeah right and so kind of tuning into yeah right and so kind of tuning into that and saying hey what's that and saying hey what's that and saying hey what's what's being disrupted here i don't know what's being disrupted here i don't know what's being disrupted here i don't know i i i just like to think from a very just like to think from a very just like to think from a very low level standpoint layperson low level standpoint layperson low level standpoint layperson standpoint inflammation standpoint inflammation standpoint inflammation in the cardiovascular system can result in the cardiovascular system can result in the cardiovascular system can result in limited blood flow in limited blood flow in limited blood flow right and so when we limit blood if you right and so when we limit blood if you right and so when we limit blood if you think about your think about your think about your capillary beds right and so in the capillary beds right and so in the capillary beds right and so in the change over from
32:00change over from change over from you have a a a single blood cell you have a a a single blood cell you have a a a single blood cell squeezing through the opening from squeezing through the opening from squeezing through the opening from one side to the other right if that gets one side to the other right if that gets one side to the other right if that gets inflamed inflamed inflamed that red blood cell might not be able to that red blood cell might not be able to that red blood cell might not be able to pass through that same capillary pass through that same capillary pass through that same capillary right and so blood gets rerouted right and so blood gets rerouted right and so blood gets rerouted around and so whatever's downstream of around and so whatever's downstream of around and so whatever's downstream of that that lack of circulation is kind of what we lack of circulation is kind of what we lack of circulation is kind of what we call a brown out call a brown out call a brown out you're you're lacking circulation to the you're you're lacking circulation to the you're you're lacking circulation to the downstream side downstream side downstream side and so if we increase movement and so if we increase movement and so if we increase movement we've got more of a heart heartbeat we've got more of a heart heartbeat we've got more of a heart heartbeat going going going so we're increasing the pressure at so we're increasing the pressure at so we're increasing the pressure at which we're pumping blood which we're pumping blood which we're pumping blood through that area and then also we're through that area and then also we're through that area and then also we're increasing the increasing the increasing the the oxygen in the blood water the plasma the oxygen in the blood water the plasma the oxygen in the blood water the plasma so what can't fit through that capillary so what can't fit through that capillary so what can't fit through that capillary is a red blood cell but what can is is a red blood cell but what can is is a red blood cell but what can is blood blood blood the plasma of the blood and so as we the plasma of the blood and so as we the plasma of the blood and so as we increase oxygen in the tissues even at increase oxygen in the tissues even at increase oxygen in the tissues even at the capillary level the capillary level the capillary level we can relieve some of that inflammation we can relieve some of that inflammation we can relieve some of that inflammation and restore circulation of
33:00and restore circulation of and restore circulation of the red blood cells so um that's how the red blood cells so um that's how the red blood cells so um that's how it's been explained to me it's been explained to me it's been explained to me and you know when we we restore blood and you know when we we restore blood and you know when we we restore blood flow we're going to wash out some flow we're going to wash out some flow we're going to wash out some sludge some metabolic waste from the sludge some metabolic waste from the sludge some metabolic waste from the cardiovascular system that's cardiovascular system that's cardiovascular system that's maybe just been stopped up there and it maybe just been stopped up there and it maybe just been stopped up there and it could be temporary i mean the older you could be temporary i mean the older you could be temporary i mean the older you are the more potential you have because are the more potential you have because are the more potential you have because you've been exposed to more you've been exposed to more you've been exposed to more you know sub-optimal diet pollution even you know sub-optimal diet pollution even you know sub-optimal diet pollution even stress stress stress um you know yeah stress stress can be um you know yeah stress stress can be um you know yeah stress stress can be you know a vasoconstriction you know you know a vasoconstriction you know you know a vasoconstriction you know even like an emotional trauma even like an emotional trauma even like an emotional trauma yeah i mean you you can feel like if you yeah i mean you you can feel like if you yeah i mean you you can feel like if you if you have anger and if you have anger and if you have anger and you know you can carry it in your jaw you know you can carry it in your jaw you know you can carry it in your jaw like think about your body stores like think about your body stores like think about your body stores stressors stressors stressors um for years yeah and so um for years yeah and so um for years yeah and so releasing some of that can i mean that's releasing some of that can i mean that's releasing some of that can i mean that's why i was saying when you're wearing a why i was saying when you're wearing a why i was saying when you're wearing a pulse oximeter and you're up at 99 pulse oximeter and you're up at 99 pulse oximeter and you're up at 99 and we're you're breathing 90 oxygen and we're you're breathing 90 oxygen and we're you're breathing 90 oxygen and then all of a sudden we see a drop and then all of a sudden we see a drop and then all of a sudden we see a drop in your saturation in your saturation in your saturation we haven't gone to altitude yet you we haven't gone to altitude yet you we haven't gone to altitude yet you didn't do this but that's not uncommon didn't do this but that's not uncommon didn't do this but that's not uncommon for me to see
34:00for me to see for me to see that when you're so when you're that when you're so when you're that when you're so when you're hyperoxygenating me filling me with lots hyperoxygenating me filling me with lots hyperoxygenating me filling me with lots more oxygen more oxygen more oxygen you'll see some the the pulse oximeter you'll see some the the pulse oximeter you'll see some the the pulse oximeter drop you're saying drop you're saying drop you're saying yeah yeah that happens sometimes and and yeah yeah that happens sometimes and and yeah yeah that happens sometimes and and what's the theory behind that well the what's the theory behind that well the what's the theory behind that well the theory behind that is that you're theory behind that is that you're theory behind that is that you're you're opening up some blood flow that you're opening up some blood flow that you're opening up some blood flow that hasn't been circulating hasn't been circulating hasn't been circulating and so your body is going to rapidly and so your body is going to rapidly and so your body is going to rapidly respond and use respond and use respond and use this supplemental oxygen that you have this supplemental oxygen that you have this supplemental oxygen that you have access to and so access to and so access to and so but and that's going to differ depending but and that's going to differ depending but and that's going to differ depending on you know whether it's a vital organ on you know whether it's a vital organ on you know whether it's a vital organ whether it's you know where it's going whether it's you know where it's going whether it's you know where it's going to work in the body but to work in the body but to work in the body but yeah and that's a little beyond my pay yeah and that's a little beyond my pay yeah and that's a little beyond my pay grade from an anatomy and grade from an anatomy and grade from an anatomy and physiology standpoint because that's the physiology standpoint because that's the physiology standpoint because that's the mystery of mystery of mystery of you know the cardiovascular system it's you know the cardiovascular system it's you know the cardiovascular system it's it's really complex it's really complex it's really complex um but but in terms of detox potential um but but in terms of detox potential um but but in terms of detox potential we always start it pretty slow we always start it pretty slow we always start it pretty slow because you're just i mean from a because you're just i mean from a because you're just i mean from a fundamental standpoint fundamental standpoint fundamental standpoint low oxygen environment altitude low oxygen environment altitude low oxygen environment altitude that's a hypoxic stress to the body and that's a hypoxic stress to the body and that's a hypoxic stress to the body and what that causes the cardiovascular
35:00what that causes the cardiovascular what that causes the cardiovascular system to do is open we need to move system to do is open we need to move system to do is open we need to move more blood yeah more blood yeah more blood yeah to get neutral tricking the body into to get neutral tricking the body into to get neutral tricking the body into saying we don't have enough we need to saying we don't have enough we need to saying we don't have enough we need to get more get more get more yeah so we're going to increase yeah so we're going to increase yeah so we're going to increase circulation and so circulation and so circulation and so that's kind of a delivery mechanism to that's kind of a delivery mechanism to that's kind of a delivery mechanism to then flip the switch and then flip the switch and then flip the switch and up while we have it open let's flush up while we have it open let's flush up while we have it open let's flush oxygen through to those tissues oxygen through to those tissues oxygen through to those tissues yeah and so people like i think of the yeah and so people like i think of the yeah and so people like i think of the altitude the hypoxic training side altitude the hypoxic training side altitude the hypoxic training side as equally valuable as the oxygen as equally valuable as the oxygen as equally valuable as the oxygen because it's it is the delivery system because it's it is the delivery system because it's it is the delivery system for the effect of the oxygen you know for the effect of the oxygen you know for the effect of the oxygen you know with just oxygen you will with just oxygen you will with just oxygen you will you will get the effect of you know you will get the effect of you know you will get the effect of you know energy and energy and energy and reducing inflammation but when you can reducing inflammation but when you can reducing inflammation but when you can open up i mean it's open up i mean it's open up i mean it's it's like the what do you call it the it's like the what do you call it the it's like the what do you call it the hov lane it's like all of a sudden this hov lane it's like all of a sudden this hov lane it's like all of a sudden this highway that's highway that's highway that's yeah it's moving slow you open up you yeah it's moving slow you open up you yeah it's moving slow you open up you know know the i'm blanking on what it's called the the i'm blanking on what it's called the the i'm blanking on what it's called the fast track fast track fast track so yeah you open up that lane and now so yeah you open up that lane and now so yeah you open up that lane and now you know you're delivering much faster you know you're delivering much faster you know you're delivering much faster and moving things along that that and moving things along that that and moving things along that that previously were at a standstill
36:00previously were at a standstill previously were at a standstill yeah and you know it reminds me just yeah and you know it reminds me just yeah and you know it reminds me just when you were talking about the woman when you were talking about the woman when you were talking about the woman that you had that you had that you had who was the neck pain started it just who was the neck pain started it just who was the neck pain started it just seems to me like seems to me like seems to me like she has all these things going on who she has all these things going on who she has all these things going on who knows right and now that the body's knows right and now that the body's knows right and now that the body's given the right given the right given the right input that it it can maybe input that it it can maybe input that it it can maybe she didn't have the nutrients or the she didn't have the nutrients or the she didn't have the nutrients or the availability because availability because availability because she had toxins all this other stuff she had toxins all this other stuff she had toxins all this other stuff coming in but now that you gave her that coming in but now that you gave her that coming in but now that you gave her that input with the oxygen input with the oxygen input with the oxygen now the body's like okay cool i can now the body's like okay cool i can now the body's like okay cool i can actually take care of this problem i can actually take care of this problem i can actually take care of this problem i can actually send actually send actually send energy and nutrients and mitochondria to energy and nutrients and mitochondria to energy and nutrients and mitochondria to go deal with this go deal with this go deal with this where i never i was in a deficit before where i never i was in a deficit before where i never i was in a deficit before so i'm just in survival mode you know so i'm just in survival mode you know so i'm just in survival mode you know trying to just trying to just trying to just maintain what i can maintain so i think maintain what i can maintain so i think maintain what i can maintain so i think that's cool yeah i mean if you think that's cool yeah i mean if you think that's cool yeah i mean if you think about contrast therapy about contrast therapy about contrast therapy that can apply to heat and cold right so that can apply to heat and cold right so that can apply to heat and cold right so we're we're we're we're using the breathing environment we're using the breathing environment we're using the breathing environment but if you think about what happens when but if you think about what happens when but if you think about what happens when you go into the cryo chamber here you go into the cryo chamber here you go into the cryo chamber here down to negative 175 for three minutes down to negative 175 for three minutes down to negative 175 for three minutes you're getting pretty extreme you're getting pretty extreme you're getting pretty extreme vasoconstriction yeah your body's vasoconstriction yeah your body's vasoconstriction yeah your body's drawing blood to the cord and kind of in
37:00drawing blood to the cord and kind of in drawing blood to the cord and kind of in survival mode survival mode survival mode and when you get out you're getting and when you get out you're getting and when you get out you're getting vasodilation you're warming back up so vasodilation you're warming back up so vasodilation you're warming back up so all that all that all that blood that kind of returned to your core blood that kind of returned to your core blood that kind of returned to your core is being sent out is being sent out is being sent out you know to it recirculate and so you know to it recirculate and so you know to it recirculate and so there's a contrast therapy that happens there's a contrast therapy that happens there's a contrast therapy that happens right there that is vasoconstriction right there that is vasoconstriction right there that is vasoconstriction vasodilation and if you think about like vasodilation and if you think about like vasodilation and if you think about like just um just um just um the tone of your endothelial the tone of your endothelial the tone of your endothelial system like there's this movement system like there's this movement system like there's this movement this rapid expansion going back and this rapid expansion going back and this rapid expansion going back and forth from environments is forth from environments is forth from environments is assists with flexibility and assists with flexibility and assists with flexibility and adaptability and so you know if you adaptability and so you know if you adaptability and so you know if you look into cardiovascular um disease and look into cardiovascular um disease and look into cardiovascular um disease and um conditions oftentimes um conditions oftentimes um conditions oftentimes they talk about the stiffness of the they talk about the stiffness of the they talk about the stiffness of the arteries like if you're sedentary if arteries like if you're sedentary if arteries like if you're sedentary if you're sitting on the couch you're sitting on the couch you're sitting on the couch for for years back to back you you lose for for years back to back you you lose for for years back to back you you lose the the some of the flexibility of the some of the flexibility of the some of the flexibility of the cardiovascular system and so cardiovascular system and so cardiovascular system and so um i listened to a podcast recently just um i listened to a podcast recently just um i listened to a podcast recently just all about the endothelium all about the endothelium all about the endothelium yeah and they were actually talking
38:00yeah and they were actually talking yeah and they were actually talking about this as well about this as well about this as well oh yeah the effect of going back and oh yeah the effect of going back and oh yeah the effect of going back and forth that's being such a positive forth that's being such a positive forth that's being such a positive stress on the body stress on the body stress on the body no that's a great point what about um no that's a great point what about um no that's a great point what about um hyperbaric oxygen therapy how is how do hyperbaric oxygen therapy how is how do hyperbaric oxygen therapy how is how do you think you think you think um it's just different than this kind of um it's just different than this kind of um it's just different than this kind of exercise exercise exercise with oxygen therapy that you're doing with oxygen therapy that you're doing with oxygen therapy that you're doing yeah i mean yeah i mean yeah i mean h-bot hyperbaric is they call it h-bot h-bot hyperbaric is they call it h-bot h-bot hyperbaric is they call it h-bot is is is a really similar is a really similar is a really similar [Music] [Music] [Music] focus the major difference is that it's focus the major difference is that it's focus the major difference is that it's a passive therapy so a passive therapy so a passive therapy so you most unless you have these crazy you most unless you have these crazy you most unless you have these crazy huge chambers i think i saw tony robbins huge chambers i think i saw tony robbins huge chambers i think i saw tony robbins in one where he was on a bike in one where he was on a bike in one where he was on a bike um but in general there's their chambers um but in general there's their chambers um but in general there's their chambers in which you go in and you sit you lie in which you go in and you sit you lie in which you go in and you sit you lie down down down so it's a passive therapy that enables so it's a passive therapy that enables so it's a passive therapy that enables people who can't exercise to people who can't exercise to people who can't exercise to excuse me receive the benefits um but excuse me receive the benefits um but excuse me receive the benefits um but it's it's it's it's really calm you're not getting a it's really calm you're not getting a it's really calm you're not getting a high heart rate you're high heart rate you're high heart rate you're you're going in there you're chilling you're going in there you're chilling you're going in there you're chilling out and you're going into this out and you're going into this out and you're going into this pressurized environment
39:00pressurized environment pressurized environment yeah and so so the really high-end yeah and so so the really high-end yeah and so so the really high-end chambers that are the hard shell chambers that are the hard shell chambers that are the hard shell require medical supervision or it's just require medical supervision or it's just require medical supervision or it's just a bit more of a process and it's yeah a bit more of a process and it's yeah a bit more of a process and it's yeah pretty expensive yeah um and also the pretty expensive yeah um and also the pretty expensive yeah um and also the time investment you're going in there time investment you're going in there time investment you're going in there for at least an hour for at least an hour for at least an hour at a time and usually you're on a 20 30 at a time and usually you're on a 20 30 at a time and usually you're on a 20 30 session schedule and you're trying to session schedule and you're trying to session schedule and you're trying to get it in get it in get it in you know three four times a week um it's you know three four times a week um it's you know three four times a week um it's you know it's been my understanding and you know it's been my understanding and you know it's been my understanding and so it's a very different experience so it's a very different experience so it's a very different experience yeah autoimmune or something yeah or yeah autoimmune or something yeah or yeah autoimmune or something yeah or concussion i don't know concussion i don't know concussion i don't know or wound healing you know wound healing or wound healing you know wound healing or wound healing you know wound healing you might not be able to you might not be able to you might not be able to get on a bike and cycle if you're get on a bike and cycle if you're get on a bike and cycle if you're working on a wound on your leg working on a wound on your leg working on a wound on your leg for example and so it has a lot of for example and so it has a lot of for example and so it has a lot of great application then the other thing great application then the other thing great application then the other thing about hbot it's super well researched about hbot it's super well researched about hbot it's super well researched and so it's it's become kind of a and so it's it's become kind of a and so it's it's become kind of a medical medical medical standard it's not i mean people standard it's not i mean people standard it's not i mean people argue just about anything but it's argue just about anything but it's argue just about anything but it's pretty well established in that sense pretty well established in that sense pretty well established in that sense this is a newer technology and it's um this is a newer technology and it's um this is a newer technology and it's um and it's an active therapy so you know i and it's an active therapy so you know i and it's an active therapy so you know i always frame it it's like we're doing a always frame it it's like we're doing a always frame it it's like we're doing a workout
40:00workout workout and we're using that high heart rate and and we're using that high heart rate and and we're using that high heart rate and the supplemental oxygen to deliver a lot the supplemental oxygen to deliver a lot the supplemental oxygen to deliver a lot of the the very same benefits as you of the the very same benefits as you of the the very same benefits as you would experience in hbot and some people would experience in hbot and some people would experience in hbot and some people i mean a lot of people prefer this i mean a lot of people prefer this i mean a lot of people prefer this because they didn't have success with because they didn't have success with because they didn't have success with hbot hbot hbot oh interesting um but you know i don't oh interesting um but you know i don't oh interesting um but you know i don't have a lot of personal experience with have a lot of personal experience with have a lot of personal experience with hbot hbot and so um i i listen to a and so um i i listen to a and so um i i listen to a you know podcast and stuff about it all you know podcast and stuff about it all you know podcast and stuff about it all the time learning everything i can about the time learning everything i can about the time learning everything i can about you know the differences but you know you know the differences but you know you know the differences but you know ultimately it comes down to ultimately it comes down to ultimately it comes down to something that's pretty hard to measure something that's pretty hard to measure something that's pretty hard to measure um you know the oxygenation of the blood um you know the oxygenation of the blood um you know the oxygenation of the blood plasma plasma plasma you know so we we put this on and it you know so we we put this on and it you know so we we put this on and it shows us um shows us um shows us um the percent of our hemoglobin our red the percent of our hemoglobin our red the percent of our hemoglobin our red blood cells blood cells blood cells that are saturated with oxygen but this that are saturated with oxygen but this that are saturated with oxygen but this isn't measuring the oxygen content of isn't measuring the oxygen content of isn't measuring the oxygen content of the blood plasma the blood plasma the blood plasma right and so this measures it just right and so this measures it just right and so this measures it just because our blood changes we're because our blood changes we're because our blood changes we're referring to the pulse oximeter referring to the pulse oximeter referring to the pulse oximeter yeah so the pulse oximeter shines a yeah so the pulse oximeter shines a yeah so the pulse oximeter shines a light light light and is measuring the reflection of the and is measuring the reflection of the and is measuring the reflection of the color of your blood color of your blood color of your blood right so when your blood is low oxygen
41:00right so when your blood is low oxygen right so when your blood is low oxygen it changes color at a consistent it changes color at a consistent it changes color at a consistent pretty consistent rate so these are pretty consistent rate so these are pretty consistent rate so these are these can give us some good numbers on these can give us some good numbers on these can give us some good numbers on that but that but that but the the plasma side is where it's the the plasma side is where it's the the plasma side is where it's you can't just measure it by slipping you can't just measure it by slipping you can't just measure it by slipping something on your finger yeah so that's something on your finger yeah so that's something on your finger yeah so that's where i think the differences are and where i think the differences are and where i think the differences are and that's where that's where that's where you know i'm interested in talking more you know i'm interested in talking more you know i'm interested in talking more with doctors and with doctors and with doctors and hyperbaric specialists and down the road hyperbaric specialists and down the road hyperbaric specialists and down the road getting getting getting more validation for how exercise with more validation for how exercise with more validation for how exercise with supplemental oxygen supplemental oxygen supplemental oxygen could drive a lot of the same effects could drive a lot of the same effects could drive a lot of the same effects because people are getting results because people are getting results because people are getting results that's the thing you know whether people that's the thing you know whether people that's the thing you know whether people have you know undergone paralysis and have you know undergone paralysis and have you know undergone paralysis and stuff they're reversing things that stuff they're reversing things that stuff they're reversing things that you're like you're like you're like yeah you think it's impossible so yeah you think it's impossible so yeah you think it's impossible so anecdotally it seems to be delivering anecdotally it seems to be delivering anecdotally it seems to be delivering many of the very same benefits and many of the very same benefits and many of the very same benefits and sometimes even at an accelerated rate sometimes even at an accelerated rate sometimes even at an accelerated rate because you are because you are because you are delivering with blood flow and so that's delivering with blood flow and so that's delivering with blood flow and so that's that's those are kind of the differences that's those are kind of the differences that's those are kind of the differences one's active one one's passive one's active one one's passive one's active one one's passive they're both using um high oxygen they're both using um high oxygen they're both using um high oxygen environments environments environments we're using altitude to create a we're using altitude to create a we're using altitude to create a contrast but even in hyperbaric the contrast but even in hyperbaric the contrast but even in hyperbaric the interesting thing is interesting thing is interesting thing is you'll have people do contrast therapy
42:00you'll have people do contrast therapy you'll have people do contrast therapy within a hyperbaric chamber within a hyperbaric chamber within a hyperbaric chamber and so they'll go from breathing and so they'll go from breathing and so they'll go from breathing concentrated oxygen to taking the mask concentrated oxygen to taking the mask concentrated oxygen to taking the mask off and then going back to some off and then going back to some off and then going back to some closer to room air yeah and that closer to room air yeah and that closer to room air yeah and that contrast of contrast of contrast of 95 or greater oxygen down to 20 95 or greater oxygen down to 20 95 or greater oxygen down to 20 creates a response in the body that has creates a response in the body that has creates a response in the body that has defining beneficial effects so these are defining beneficial effects so these are defining beneficial effects so these are hbot hbot specialists doing contrast just from specialists doing contrast just from specialists doing contrast just from room air room air becomes the altitude room air room air becomes the altitude room air room air becomes the altitude right um and so and so they'll cycle right um and so and so they'll cycle right um and so and so they'll cycle that back and forth that back and forth that back and forth um and i've even heard hyperbaric um and i've even heard hyperbaric um and i've even heard hyperbaric specialists talk about specialists talk about specialists talk about when you go into a hyperbaric chamber when you go into a hyperbaric chamber when you go into a hyperbaric chamber and then get out you're essentially and then get out you're essentially and then get out you're essentially going to altitude going to altitude going to altitude you know you're you're in a more hypoxic you know you're you're in a more hypoxic you know you're you're in a more hypoxic environment environment environment right and so just even if you go right and so just even if you go right and so just even if you go once a day if you're going to hyperbaric once a day if you're going to hyperbaric once a day if you're going to hyperbaric once a day for once a day for once a day for 30 days you're getting this kind of 30 days you're getting this kind of 30 days you're getting this kind of intermittent back and forth yeah that intermittent back and forth yeah that intermittent back and forth yeah that makes sense makes sense makes sense so it's pretty interesting stuff but i
43:00so it's pretty interesting stuff but i so it's pretty interesting stuff but i think there's a lot think there's a lot think there's a lot a lot more conversations about the a lot more conversations about the a lot more conversations about the spectrum of i mean there's soft shell spectrum of i mean there's soft shell spectrum of i mean there's soft shell chambers hard shell chambers and then chambers hard shell chambers and then chambers hard shell chambers and then there's ewot there's ewot there's ewot but it's a pretty it's a conversation but it's a pretty it's a conversation but it's a pretty it's a conversation that maybe hasn't been entertained that maybe hasn't been entertained that maybe hasn't been entertained enough because people have said enough because people have said enough because people have said hey it's ewot versus hbot it's this hey it's ewot versus hbot it's this hey it's ewot versus hbot it's this versus that and it's like hey versus that and it's like hey versus that and it's like hey they're both good yeah they're just they're both good yeah they're just they're both good yeah they're just right yeah it depends what you want right yeah it depends what you want right yeah it depends what you want depends what you're looking for it depends what you're looking for it depends what you're looking for it depends how depends how depends how if you want to get your workout into if you want to get your workout into if you want to get your workout into like if i was taking an hour a day like if i was taking an hour a day like if i was taking an hour a day in my current schedule it's like when am in my current schedule it's like when am in my current schedule it's like when am i going to do my workout i going to do my workout i going to do my workout right when am i going to get to move and right when am i going to get to move and right when am i going to get to move and so so so to me that that's where in an active to me that that's where in an active to me that that's where in an active lifestyle if you're lifestyle if you're lifestyle if you're able to exercise i have 78 year old able to exercise i have 78 year old able to exercise i have 78 year old clients who are you know clients who are you know clients who are you know get on the bike and they go to altitude get on the bike and they go to altitude get on the bike and they go to altitude and they go for minutes at a time and they go for minutes at a time and they go for minutes at a time and so if you're able to move and and so if you're able to move and and so if you're able to move and exercise exercise this is a really accessible way to this is a really accessible way to this is a really accessible way to get the benefits of oxygen therapies get the benefits of oxygen therapies get the benefits of oxygen therapies yeah that's what you're saying too yeah that's what you're saying too yeah that's what you're saying too people like with knee injuries and stuff people like with knee injuries and stuff people like with knee injuries and stuff like that they can jump on the bike and like that they can jump on the bike and like that they can jump on the bike and it's that's low impact it's easy
44:00it's that's low impact it's easy it's that's low impact it's easy and they're still getting that and they're still getting that and they're still getting that cardiovascular um cardiovascular um cardiovascular um you know benefit in only like 15 minutes you know benefit in only like 15 minutes you know benefit in only like 15 minutes yeah and it's pretty cool like you said yeah and it's pretty cool like you said yeah and it's pretty cool like you said the impact to joints and muscles is just the impact to joints and muscles is just the impact to joints and muscles is just minimal because we let the altitude do minimal because we let the altitude do minimal because we let the altitude do the work the work the work the altitude doesn't have to be a the altitude doesn't have to be a the altitude doesn't have to be a negative thing like if you go hiking negative thing like if you go hiking negative thing like if you go hiking you're like oh this sucks like you're like oh this sucks like you're like oh this sucks like i can't do what i normally would do i can't do what i normally would do i can't do what i normally would do we're on a stationary bike here where we're on a stationary bike here where we're on a stationary bike here where are you going like you're not going are you going like you're not going are you going like you're not going anywhere where the goal is to get the anywhere where the goal is to get the anywhere where the goal is to get the heart rate up to feel good heart rate up to feel good heart rate up to feel good and to you know get those benefits and and to you know get those benefits and and to you know get those benefits and so so with that in mind altitude i always like with that in mind altitude i always like with that in mind altitude i always like to take to take to take tell people altitude makes exercise tell people altitude makes exercise tell people altitude makes exercise easier you can get there easier easier you can get there easier easier you can get there easier right and so for people that are just right and so for people that are just right and so for people that are just looking for that feel good looking for that feel good looking for that feel good runner's eye like hey let's breathe runner's eye like hey let's breathe runner's eye like hey let's breathe through your nose let's go to altitude through your nose let's go to altitude through your nose let's go to altitude when it gets stressful we flip the when it gets stressful we flip the when it gets stressful we flip the switch and we stay in a nasal breathing switch and we stay in a nasal breathing switch and we stay in a nasal breathing pattern and pattern and pattern and welcome that refreshing breath of oxygen welcome that refreshing breath of oxygen welcome that refreshing breath of oxygen and then go back to altitude when we're and then go back to altitude when we're and then go back to altitude when we're ready ready ready but it doesn't have to be this big but it doesn't have to be this big but it doesn't have to be this big stressful extreme athlete type thing stressful extreme athlete type thing stressful extreme athlete type thing no it's like both make exercise easier
45:00no it's like both make exercise easier no it's like both make exercise easier if you go to oxygen you'll be able to if you go to oxygen you'll be able to if you go to oxygen you'll be able to produce more power produce more power produce more power on the bike you'll see your wattage go on the bike you'll see your wattage go on the bike you'll see your wattage go up your average wattage will go up up your average wattage will go up up your average wattage will go up your heart rate will go down you go to your heart rate will go down you go to your heart rate will go down you go to altitude the opposite happens altitude the opposite happens altitude the opposite happens so you can you it's a toggle switch in so you can you it's a toggle switch in so you can you it's a toggle switch in which you can leverage the environment which you can leverage the environment which you can leverage the environment to suit whatever you're looking for to suit whatever you're looking for to suit whatever you're looking for you know i would i would imagine this you know i would i would imagine this you know i would i would imagine this would be great for somebody with like would be great for somebody with like would be great for somebody with like tbi or concussions too right tbi or concussions too right tbi or concussions too right yeah that's actually been a huge focus yeah that's actually been a huge focus yeah that's actually been a huge focus i've worked with quite a few clients in i've worked with quite a few clients in i've worked with quite a few clients in that category that category that category but you know really if you i mean i but you know really if you i mean i but you know really if you i mean i follow quite a few follow quite a few follow quite a few like progressive concussion clinics like progressive concussion clinics like progressive concussion clinics around the country and it's around the country and it's around the country and it's it's cool to see the traction of like it's cool to see the traction of like it's cool to see the traction of like hey maybe hey maybe hey maybe you know sitting in a dark room with you know sitting in a dark room with you know sitting in a dark room with earplugs earplugs earplugs you know or just isolation darkness you know or just isolation darkness you know or just isolation darkness isn't necessarily the only way isn't necessarily the only way isn't necessarily the only way or the best way to to recover from these or the best way to to recover from these or the best way to to recover from these things maybe there's solutions that things maybe there's solutions that things maybe there's solutions that include movement include movement include movement and how do we leverage those toward
46:00and how do we leverage those toward and how do we leverage those toward healing healing healing and i'm seeing more and more um and i'm seeing more and more um and i'm seeing more and more um professionals professionals professionals kind of leaning in that direction and so kind of leaning in that direction and so kind of leaning in that direction and so yeah if you can imagine yeah if you can imagine yeah if you can imagine someone who's undergone a concussion someone who's undergone a concussion someone who's undergone a concussion suffered a concussion suffered a concussion suffered a concussion and they can't take the movement of you and they can't take the movement of you and they can't take the movement of you know even standing up on a bike know even standing up on a bike know even standing up on a bike or running for sure or even walking or running for sure or even walking or running for sure or even walking could be difficult if you put on a bike could be difficult if you put on a bike could be difficult if you put on a bike and put a very low level of resistance and put a very low level of resistance and put a very low level of resistance how much is my head moving yeah i can how much is my head moving yeah i can how much is my head moving yeah i can hold on to the handlebars i mean i could hold on to the handlebars i mean i could hold on to the handlebars i mean i could wear sunglasses wear sunglasses wear sunglasses and i can just start engaging my heart and i can just start engaging my heart and i can just start engaging my heart and lungs and lungs and lungs a brain bruise right is is in a confined a brain bruise right is is in a confined a brain bruise right is is in a confined space space space so that the pressure that comes along so that the pressure that comes along so that the pressure that comes along with some of those injuries if we can with some of those injuries if we can with some of those injuries if we can relieve some brain relieve some brain relieve some brain inflammation yeah from those bruises inflammation yeah from those bruises inflammation yeah from those bruises they're seeing rapid recovery i haven't they're seeing rapid recovery i haven't they're seeing rapid recovery i haven't dealt with really severe dealt with really severe dealt with really severe cases but doing before and after tests cases but doing before and after tests cases but doing before and after tests like cognitive assessments seeing rapid like cognitive assessments seeing rapid like cognitive assessments seeing rapid recoveries just because recoveries just because recoveries just because i mean the way it's been explained to me i mean the way it's been explained to me i mean the way it's been explained to me is the relieving um is the relieving um
47:00is the relieving um that inflammation from the bruise and so that inflammation from the bruise and so that inflammation from the bruise and so no you restore blood flow it's like hey no you restore blood flow it's like hey no you restore blood flow it's like hey things can get back to things can get back to things can get back to their regenerative process whereas if their regenerative process whereas if their regenerative process whereas if like hey like hey like hey don't move don't you know if you right don't move don't you know if you right don't move don't you know if you right are in maybe a more traditional like are in maybe a more traditional like are in maybe a more traditional like don't move don't get out don't get don't move don't get out don't get don't move don't get out don't get yourself here yeah just sit here and yourself here yeah just sit here and yourself here yeah just sit here and atrophy yeah it's really um it makes a atrophy yeah it's really um it makes a atrophy yeah it's really um it makes a lot of sense that we could lot of sense that we could lot of sense that we could accelerate recovery times by blood flow accelerate recovery times by blood flow accelerate recovery times by blood flow and nutrients and so um yeah so that's a and nutrients and so um yeah so that's a and nutrients and so um yeah so that's a pretty exciting pretty exciting pretty exciting element of it because it is so unique element of it because it is so unique element of it because it is so unique that we can deliver that we can deliver that we can deliver a pretty intense workout just using the a pretty intense workout just using the a pretty intense workout just using the altitude altitude altitude air that's pretty cool hey before i air that's pretty cool hey before i air that's pretty cool hey before i wanna i want to start talking about wanna i want to start talking about wanna i want to start talking about um you know some of the metabolic um you know some of the metabolic um you know some of the metabolic testing that you do testing that you do testing that you do before we go there anything else that before we go there anything else that before we go there anything else that you want to talk about in terms of the you want to talk about in terms of the you want to talk about in terms of the bike or that we didn't cover bike or that we didn't cover bike or that we didn't cover yeah i mean i one of the things that i'm yeah i mean i one of the things that i'm yeah i mean i one of the things that i'm working on right now is working on right now is working on right now is is bringing this technology to the is bringing this technology to the is bringing this technology to the firefighter and first responder firefighter and first responder firefighter and first responder communities communities communities because i think that it's awesome thank
48:00because i think that it's awesome thank because i think that it's awesome thank you yeah you yeah you yeah um thank you this this um thank you this this um thank you this this technology i think is so relevant to technology i think is so relevant to technology i think is so relevant to performance of course performance of course performance of course the health of our first responders has the health of our first responders has the health of our first responders has an immediate impact on their ability to an immediate impact on their ability to an immediate impact on their ability to do their jobs to do their jobs to do their jobs to save homes save lives but then also to save homes save lives but then also to save homes save lives but then also to save themselves save themselves save themselves in compromise situations and so in compromise situations and so in compromise situations and so you know even in terms of mental clarity you know even in terms of mental clarity you know even in terms of mental clarity and cognition and cognition and cognition those things are so vital for people those things are so vital for people those things are so vital for people that are in positions where they have to that are in positions where they have to that are in positions where they have to make decisions make decisions make decisions yeah and they have to perform and so for yeah and they have to perform and so for yeah and they have to perform and so for the firefighters i mean we're all the firefighters i mean we're all the firefighters i mean we're all experiencing the air quality experiencing the air quality experiencing the air quality and you know there's days that i'll go and you know there's days that i'll go and you know there's days that i'll go out and walk my dog and it's like it's out and walk my dog and it's like it's out and walk my dog and it's like it's going to be a short loop because i can going to be a short loop because i can going to be a short loop because i can feel it in my feel it in my feel it in my affecting my eyes and you know the back affecting my eyes and you know the back affecting my eyes and you know the back of my throat of my throat of my throat you know it's a it's a toxic environment you know it's a it's a toxic environment you know it's a it's a toxic environment to be to be to be you know in that and so guys going out you know in that and so guys going out you know in that and so guys going out for two to three weeks at a time to for two to three weeks at a time to for two to three weeks at a time to fight the wildfires fight the wildfires fight the wildfires and yeah they're they're wearing masks and yeah they're they're wearing masks and yeah they're they're wearing masks but they're not always wearing a mask
49:00but they're not always wearing a mask but they're not always wearing a mask right and there's right and there's right and there's they're exposed to so much um toxic they're exposed to so much um toxic they're exposed to so much um toxic fumes fumes fumes i mean if it's a residential area then i mean if it's a residential area then i mean if it's a residential area then you know the building materials is you know the building materials is you know the building materials is a whole mix of um chemicals in what's a whole mix of um chemicals in what's a whole mix of um chemicals in what's burning if it's wildfires it's still burning if it's wildfires it's still burning if it's wildfires it's still just heavy amounts of smoke just heavy amounts of smoke just heavy amounts of smoke but and then there's fire retardant but and then there's fire retardant but and then there's fire retardant chemicals you know dropping to try to chemicals you know dropping to try to chemicals you know dropping to try to slow this slow this slow this this progress down and so for me that's this progress down and so for me that's this progress down and so for me that's just a population that really deserves just a population that really deserves just a population that really deserves our attention our attention our attention in the service that they're providing in the service that they're providing in the service that they're providing citizens but then citizens but then citizens but then this is such a powerful way to this is such a powerful way to this is such a powerful way to regenerate the the lungs regenerate the the lungs regenerate the the lungs and so yeah they might come home from and so yeah they might come home from and so yeah they might come home from you know two three weeks out there you know two three weeks out there you know two three weeks out there and want to get that work out but like and want to get that work out but like and want to get that work out but like hey it doesn't feel good to work out hey it doesn't feel good to work out hey it doesn't feel good to work out when you've got all this junk in your when you've got all this junk in your when you've got all this junk in your lungs and so lungs and so lungs and so being able to use the altitude to being able to use the altitude to being able to use the altitude to maximize circulation maximize circulation maximize circulation get that workout without having to go get that workout without having to go get that workout without having to go super hard yet super hard yet super hard yet yeah and really fast track them toward yeah and really fast track them toward yeah and really fast track them toward recovery and performance recovery and performance recovery and performance but you know as i did my research on the but you know as i did my research on the but you know as i did my research on the statistics around it
50:00statistics around it statistics around it that you know line of duty deaths for that you know line of duty deaths for that you know line of duty deaths for firefighters are like 70 firefighters are like 70 firefighters are like 70 of of line of duty deaths are cancer of of line of duty deaths are cancer of of line of duty deaths are cancer related interesting related interesting related interesting and so you know early death because of and so you know early death because of and so you know early death because of cancer because you're serving your cancer because you're serving your cancer because you're serving your community to me is community to me is community to me is is a situation that really doesn't make is a situation that really doesn't make is a situation that really doesn't make sense you know sense you know sense you know and it's not it's not that noble to be and it's not it's not that noble to be and it's not it's not that noble to be honest honest honest yeah i mean i mean it's noble what they yeah i mean i mean it's noble what they yeah i mean i mean it's noble what they do right but do right but do right but i mean to know that i mean that you're i mean to know that i mean that you're i mean to know that i mean that you're guaranteed a death sentence almost guaranteed a death sentence almost guaranteed a death sentence almost i mean 70 it's high that's yeah i wasn't i mean 70 it's high that's yeah i wasn't i mean 70 it's high that's yeah i wasn't aware of that if you look at the aware of that if you look at the aware of that if you look at the i mean there's a whole list of cancers i mean there's a whole list of cancers i mean there's a whole list of cancers that are that have been that are that have been that are that have been um a few there's a whole list of them um a few there's a whole list of them um a few there's a whole list of them but but but that are most relevant to the that are most relevant to the that are most relevant to the firefighter population firefighter population firefighter population um the average increase was like 75 um the average increase was like 75 um the average increase was like 75 percent percent percent increase in getting that list of cancers increase in getting that list of cancers increase in getting that list of cancers for the genera when compared to the for the genera when compared to the for the genera when compared to the general population general population general population some of them up up to like over a some of them up up to like over a some of them up up to like over a hundred like your hundred like your hundred like your your risk is like is doubled because your risk is like is doubled because your risk is like is doubled because you're a firefighter and so for me
51:00you're a firefighter and so for me you're a firefighter and so for me um you know what i'm doing right now is um you know what i'm doing right now is um you know what i'm doing right now is i'm raising money to deliver i'm raising money to deliver i'm raising money to deliver this service to um our local departments this service to um our local departments this service to um our local departments and trying to pilot pilot a movement of and trying to pilot pilot a movement of and trying to pilot pilot a movement of self-care self-care self-care for those guys and girls that are out for those guys and girls that are out for those guys and girls that are out there that are there that are there that are you know really just putting themselves you know really just putting themselves you know really just putting themselves in harm's way from a respiratory in harm's way from a respiratory in harm's way from a respiratory standpoint standpoint and down down the line i'd love to see and down down the line i'd love to see and down down the line i'd love to see this adopted as part of a recovery this adopted as part of a recovery this adopted as part of a recovery protocol protocol protocol yeah like how regenerating the lungs and yeah like how regenerating the lungs and yeah like how regenerating the lungs and then you know then you know then you know sweating some of this stuff out and so sweating some of this stuff out and so sweating some of this stuff out and so you know you know i've you know you know i've you know you know i've consulted with medical doctors who have consulted with medical doctors who have consulted with medical doctors who have used these used these used these um these modalities and have given me um these modalities and have given me um these modalities and have given me the background and like the background and like the background and like how to apply it and it's really not how to apply it and it's really not how to apply it and it's really not different than anything i'm doing different than anything i'm doing different than anything i'm doing already but having that already but having that already but having that you know as a back pocket assurance that you know as a back pocket assurance that you know as a back pocket assurance that i'm on on the right path is really huge i'm on on the right path is really huge i'm on on the right path is really huge yeah um and so right now i'm looking to yeah um and so right now i'm looking to yeah um and so right now i'm looking to raise the money so that i can raise the money so that i can raise the money so that i can i can get you know put 20 guys through a i can get you know put 20 guys through a i can get you know put 20 guys through a 30-day experience in which they're 30-day experience in which they're 30-day experience in which they're coming in for
52:00coming in for coming in for eight sessions and getting that kind of eight sessions and getting that kind of eight sessions and getting that kind of upgraded recovery upgraded recovery upgraded recovery experience but regardless of whether experience but regardless of whether experience but regardless of whether it's on it's on it's on right after um uh about out there right after um uh about out there right after um uh about out there with the fires or if it's you know with the fires or if it's you know with the fires or if it's you know preparing preparing preparing like that's equally as important because like that's equally as important because like that's equally as important because the scbas that they're wearing the scbas that they're wearing the scbas that they're wearing the mask and the and the tanks is a very the mask and the and the tanks is a very the mask and the and the tanks is a very interesting breathing environment and interesting breathing environment and interesting breathing environment and i'm still learning more about that and i i'm still learning more about that and i i'm still learning more about that and i have someone that's going to help me out have someone that's going to help me out have someone that's going to help me out by giving me an experience breathing in by giving me an experience breathing in by giving me an experience breathing in one one one um but if we can like they know how long um but if we can like they know how long um but if we can like they know how long they last in those they last in those they last in those in with that system like how much work in with that system like how much work in with that system like how much work can you do can you do can you do with with a single tank and so if we can with with a single tank and so if we can with with a single tank and so if we can boost their performance boost their performance boost their performance that's going to be a really noticeable that's going to be a really noticeable that's going to be a really noticeable difference and i want to be a part of difference and i want to be a part of difference and i want to be a part of you know helping kind of you know helping kind of you know helping kind of raise the stakes on firefighter raise the stakes on firefighter raise the stakes on firefighter performance because i think performance because i think performance because i think that helps us all out so now that's so that helps us all out so now that's so that helps us all out so now that's so cool man thanks for cool man thanks for cool man thanks for thanks for doing that that's awesome thanks for doing that that's awesome thanks for doing that that's awesome yeah it's just starting out and so if yeah it's just starting out and so if yeah it's just starting out and so if people are interested i have a gofundme people are interested i have a gofundme people are interested i have a gofundme that you probably can throw in the links
53:00that you probably can throw in the links that you probably can throw in the links or something like that i'll definitely or something like that i'll definitely or something like that i'll definitely throw to the show throw to the show throw to the show and so it's just starting out it was and so it's just starting out it was and so it's just starting out it was actually an original part of my actually an original part of my actually an original part of my my vision for oxygen rally kind of got my vision for oxygen rally kind of got my vision for oxygen rally kind of got shelved because i just was shelved because i just was shelved because i just was trying to you know build what the trying to you know build what the trying to you know build what the necessary infrastructure for necessary infrastructure for necessary infrastructure for running my day-to-day but um every year running my day-to-day but um every year running my day-to-day but um every year fires fires fires are an issue here um in california and are an issue here um in california and are an issue here um in california and so so the first summer i got this it was like the first summer i got this it was like the first summer i got this it was like wow people can't exercise outside wow people can't exercise outside wow people can't exercise outside and we've got firefighters and homes and we've got firefighters and homes and we've got firefighters and homes burning down so i'm really interested in burning down so i'm really interested in burning down so i'm really interested in collaborating collaborating collaborating with groups that you know would like to with groups that you know would like to with groups that you know would like to use this for themselves but then use this for themselves but then use this for themselves but then you know also give back to help the you know also give back to help the you know also give back to help the people that are people that are people that are on the front lines yeah that's great so on the front lines yeah that's great so on the front lines yeah that's great so whether you're local cyclists and whether you're local cyclists and whether you're local cyclists and and want to do this for yourself because and want to do this for yourself because and want to do this for yourself because you have can't get out on the road or you have can't get out on the road or you have can't get out on the road or shouldn't be out on the road breathing shouldn't be out on the road breathing shouldn't be out on the road breathing all this smoke or you're just all this smoke or you're just all this smoke or you're just interested in you know backing people interested in you know backing people interested in you know backing people that are on the front lines that are on the front lines that are on the front lines yeah that's great so yeah i mean yeah that's great so yeah i mean yeah that's great so yeah i mean it's amazing it's so cool i'm excited it's amazing it's so cool i'm excited it's amazing it's so cool i'm excited about it it's been about it it's been about it it's been something that's been on my mind for a something that's been on my mind for a something that's been on my mind for a few years now and finally pulling the
54:00few years now and finally pulling the few years now and finally pulling the trigger and i've connected with some trigger and i've connected with some trigger and i've connected with some great community members who have great community members who have great community members who have you know had a father that passed away you know had a father that passed away you know had a father that passed away early as a result of lung cancer early as a result of lung cancer early as a result of lung cancer and so you know meeting people and and so you know meeting people and and so you know meeting people and talking to people that talking to people that talking to people that this is a part of their story it's not this is a part of their story it's not this is a part of their story it's not just a statistic that i'm just a statistic that i'm just a statistic that i'm um finding and you know repeating it's um finding and you know repeating it's um finding and you know repeating it's like hey there's people like hey there's people like hey there's people in our community that are living out in our community that are living out in our community that are living out these these situations and these these these situations and these these these situations and these consequences consequences consequences the most dangerous part of being a the most dangerous part of being a the most dangerous part of being a firefighter like 70 of line of duty firefighter like 70 of line of duty firefighter like 70 of line of duty deaths are deaths are deaths are cancer-related like the most dangerous cancer-related like the most dangerous cancer-related like the most dangerous thing is not out there in the blazes thing is not out there in the blazes thing is not out there in the blazes it's your long-term health so it's your long-term health so it's your long-term health so that's pretty motivating for me to help that's pretty motivating for me to help that's pretty motivating for me to help that so instead of buying them a cup of that so instead of buying them a cup of that so instead of buying them a cup of coffee at starbucks coffee at starbucks coffee at starbucks go out and buy them a three pack session go out and buy them a three pack session go out and buy them a three pack session at oxygen rally guys at oxygen rally guys at oxygen rally guys well i mean that the thing is is well i mean that the thing is is well i mean that the thing is is long-term benefits yeah the long-term long-term benefits yeah the long-term long-term benefits yeah the long-term benefits and hopefully it creates a benefits and hopefully it creates a benefits and hopefully it creates a trend i think probably the younger you trend i think probably the younger you trend i think probably the younger you know just know just know just our society is trending toward you know our society is trending toward you know our society is trending toward you know health and wellness health and wellness health and wellness and so i think setting a precedent of
55:00and so i think setting a precedent of and so i think setting a precedent of like high functioning like high functioning like high functioning um brain health cardiovascular health um brain health cardiovascular health um brain health cardiovascular health just a culture of of health and just a culture of of health and just a culture of of health and performance i think is really important performance i think is really important performance i think is really important so the more we can get some traction with local departments get some traction with local departments i think it starts i think it starts i think it starts it starts to gain traction i think when it starts to gain traction i think when it starts to gain traction i think when you start kicking ass right you start kicking ass right you start kicking ass right and you know that's why the metabolic and you know that's why the metabolic and you know that's why the metabolic testing has been an testing has been an testing has been an important part of what i do because when important part of what i do because when important part of what i do because when we we do eight sessions we we do eight sessions we we do eight sessions ten sessions and we measure hey not only ten sessions and we measure hey not only ten sessions and we measure hey not only do you feel better you can feel your do you feel better you can feel your do you feel better you can feel your lungs kind of coming back to life you lungs kind of coming back to life you lungs kind of coming back to life you your capacity coming back but we can your capacity coming back but we can your capacity coming back but we can show that like your vo2 max show that like your vo2 max show that like your vo2 max has made a jump and your fat burning has made a jump and your fat burning has made a jump and your fat burning efficiency has made a jump and we can efficiency has made a jump and we can efficiency has made a jump and we can get real gold standard metrics on those get real gold standard metrics on those get real gold standard metrics on those things things things so talk to us about the metabolic so talk to us about the metabolic so talk to us about the metabolic testing like why testing like why testing like why you were talking offline about this and you were talking offline about this and you were talking offline about this and you were really saying like this is you were really saying like this is you were really saying like this is this is you get amazing data and this is you get amazing data and this is you get amazing data and it really moves the needle for people it really moves the needle for people it really moves the needle for people when they can when they can when they can they can see and feel uh the difference
56:00they can see and feel uh the difference they can see and feel uh the difference why are why should people or why are why are why should people or why are why are why should people or why are most people going to you for metabolic most people going to you for metabolic most people going to you for metabolic testing i'm assuming they just want to testing i'm assuming they just want to testing i'm assuming they just want to lose weight or what lose weight or what lose weight or what i mean it's a it's a complete mix um fat i mean it's a it's a complete mix um fat i mean it's a it's a complete mix um fat loss loss loss is a huge motivator for just about is a huge motivator for just about is a huge motivator for just about everyone i mean everyone everyone i mean everyone everyone i mean everyone wants to lean out a little bit or maybe wants to lean out a little bit or maybe wants to lean out a little bit or maybe they were looking to gain a little they were looking to gain a little they were looking to gain a little weight weight weight because you know to balance out optimize because you know to balance out optimize because you know to balance out optimize their body weight but that's their body weight but that's their body weight but that's really relevant to most people and so really relevant to most people and so really relevant to most people and so that's that's that's oftentimes an initial point of interest oftentimes an initial point of interest oftentimes an initial point of interest for high performance athletes this is a for high performance athletes this is a for high performance athletes this is a technology technology technology that's been used in sports science labs that's been used in sports science labs that's been used in sports science labs for decades it's for decades it's for decades it's you know every olympic you know cyclist you know every olympic you know cyclist you know every olympic you know cyclist or triathlete is or triathlete is or triathlete is for sure has their their metabolic for sure has their their metabolic for sure has their their metabolic um test and they're using that to dial um test and they're using that to dial um test and they're using that to dial in their nutrition their in their nutrition their in their nutrition their their seat position you know this stuff their seat position you know this stuff their seat position you know this stuff has has has um so yes i mean not to get too um so yes i mean not to get too um so yes i mean not to get too technical i'm not technical i'm not technical i'm not an elite cyclist but they use this even an elite cyclist but they use this even an elite cyclist but they use this even to say hey to say hey to say hey like what is the metabolic consequence like what is the metabolic consequence like what is the metabolic consequence of my seat being a little higher of my seat being a little higher of my seat being a little higher or a little lower because you can see
57:00or a little lower because you can see or a little lower because you can see the efficiency by which they're the efficiency by which they're the efficiency by which they're able to um sustain an effort over time able to um sustain an effort over time able to um sustain an effort over time and so um yeah so it gets that technical and so um yeah so it gets that technical and so um yeah so it gets that technical it can and so the applications are it can and so the applications are it can and so the applications are really limitless really limitless really limitless you know we could throw you in an ice you know we could throw you in an ice you know we could throw you in an ice bath and say hey how are you handling bath and say hey how are you handling bath and say hey how are you handling you know 32 degrees you know 32 degrees you know 32 degrees what is your metabolism doing so people what is your metabolism doing so people what is your metabolism doing so people you can experiment with that you can experiment with that you can experiment with that um the cool thing about it is this is um the cool thing about it is this is um the cool thing about it is this is the device right here the device right here the device right here and so this encapsulates what and so this encapsulates what and so this encapsulates what you know formerly was a full-on you know formerly was a full-on you know formerly was a full-on metabolic cart metabolic cart metabolic cart and so we can throw this in a little and so we can throw this in a little and so we can throw this in a little backpack backpack backpack with a battery pack and it's wired to a with a battery pack and it's wired to a with a battery pack and it's wired to a mass similar to the one you were mass similar to the one you were mass similar to the one you were wearing yeah and that will sample the wearing yeah and that will sample the wearing yeah and that will sample the gases that you're expiring gases that you're expiring gases that you're expiring and give us a read on how you're using and give us a read on how you're using and give us a read on how you're using fats versus carbohydrates fats versus carbohydrates fats versus carbohydrates like i mentioned with the bike fit it'll like i mentioned with the bike fit it'll like i mentioned with the bike fit it'll tell us things about your posture tell us things about your posture tell us things about your posture the you know is your posture optimal the you know is your posture optimal the you know is your posture optimal it'll tell you it'll tell you it'll tell you your cognition aerobic health metabolic
58:00your cognition aerobic health metabolic your cognition aerobic health metabolic efficiency efficiency efficiency all those things are reflected in how all those things are reflected in how all those things are reflected in how your body your body your body is um adapting to stress is um adapting to stress is um adapting to stress and so yeah like we talked about co2 and so yeah like we talked about co2 and so yeah like we talked about co2 that's where this ties in that's where this ties in that's where this ties in if you're really stressed out you're if you're really stressed out you're if you're really stressed out you're probably producing more co2 probably producing more co2 probably producing more co2 because you're burning more sugar and because you're burning more sugar and because you're burning more sugar and your your ventilation is going to change your your ventilation is going to change your your ventilation is going to change yeah i mean the grit i didn't realize yeah i mean the grit i didn't realize yeah i mean the grit i didn't realize how technical you could get by just the how technical you could get by just the how technical you could get by just the bike seat position positioning and like bike seat position positioning and like bike seat position positioning and like you said you said you said like are you performing at your max like like are you performing at your max like like are you performing at your max like that's amazing for like these high level that's amazing for like these high level that's amazing for like these high level athletes but athletes but athletes but i'm assuming just average joe blow like i'm assuming just average joe blow like i'm assuming just average joe blow like i would just do it resting i would just do it resting i would just do it resting like sitting on a chair right like do like sitting on a chair right like do like sitting on a chair right like do you do that yeah you get a basic you do that yeah you get a basic you do that yeah you get a basic um what they call an rmr resting um what they call an rmr resting um what they call an rmr resting metabolic rate and metabolic rate and metabolic rate and we don't even do it seated we lay you we don't even do it seated we lay you we don't even do it seated we lay you down as if you're sleeping down as if you're sleeping down as if you're sleeping yeah you know if you pull out your phone yeah you know if you pull out your phone yeah you know if you pull out your phone you're probably going to affect that you're probably going to affect that you're probably going to affect that because you might get a stressful text because you might get a stressful text because you might get a stressful text right and that's going to change your right and that's going to change your right and that's going to change your heart rate change your stress right heart rate change your stress right heart rate change your stress right someone might not like your post on someone might not like your post on someone might not like your post on facebook facebook facebook yeah and like create that stress yeah and like create that stress yeah and like create that stress response yeah and so you change
59:00response yeah and so you change response yeah and so you change that's the thing about everyday life that's the thing about everyday life that's the thing about everyday life you're you're constantly in patterns you're you're constantly in patterns you're you're constantly in patterns of holding your breath or of holding your breath or of holding your breath or sighing as a you know a response to sighing as a you know a response to sighing as a you know a response to how you're navigating your environment how you're navigating your environment how you're navigating your environment so we put you on the bench like just so we put you on the bench like just so we put you on the bench like just zone out zone out zone out act like you're sleeping and we'll get a act like you're sleeping and we'll get a act like you're sleeping and we'll get a read of how your metabolism settles into read of how your metabolism settles into read of how your metabolism settles into that 10 minute that 10 minute that 10 minute rest period and from that you can rest period and from that you can rest period and from that you can extrapolate you know how many calories extrapolate you know how many calories extrapolate you know how many calories you're using without activity you're using without activity you're using without activity now the add-on to that is to do the now the add-on to that is to do the now the add-on to that is to do the exercise stress test or vo2 max test is exercise stress test or vo2 max test is exercise stress test or vo2 max test is what what it's referred to oftentimes in it's referred to oftentimes in it's referred to oftentimes in performance but essentially performance but essentially performance but essentially it's an exercise stress test and it gets it's an exercise stress test and it gets it's an exercise stress test and it gets as hard as as hard as as hard as you want it to get but it's basically a you want it to get but it's basically a you want it to get but it's basically a ramp test which starts ramp test which starts ramp test which starts super easy almost boring easy and then super easy almost boring easy and then super easy almost boring easy and then every minute it gets a little harder every minute it gets a little harder every minute it gets a little harder a little harder no breaks until you tap a little harder no breaks until you tap a little harder no breaks until you tap out and can't continue out and can't continue out and can't continue and so to get ideally you go as hard and so to get ideally you go as hard and so to get ideally you go as hard until until until you can't possibly go anymore okay and you can't possibly go anymore okay and you can't possibly go anymore okay and that'll give us kind of the full
1:00that'll give us kind of the full that'll give us kind of the full spectrum of what you're capable of doing spectrum of what you're capable of doing spectrum of what you're capable of doing and within that data we can then say all and within that data we can then say all and within that data we can then say all right when at what right when at what right when at what level of stress did you level of stress did you level of stress did you get to the point where your carbohydrate get to the point where your carbohydrate get to the point where your carbohydrate metabolism overtook your fat metabolism metabolism overtook your fat metabolism metabolism overtook your fat metabolism and so that's one interesting point that and so that's one interesting point that and so that's one interesting point that we that we look at you know it's called we that we look at you know it's called we that we look at you know it's called a crossover point a crossover point a crossover point um but we're just monitoring i mean um but we're just monitoring i mean um but we're just monitoring i mean and i i printed these out that i was and i i printed these out that i was and i i printed these out that i was showing you before we're monitoring your showing you before we're monitoring your showing you before we're monitoring your your kilocalories of fat your kilocalories of fat your kilocalories of fat being burnt versus your carbohydrate being burnt versus your carbohydrate being burnt versus your carbohydrate intake and so we can see that intake and so we can see that intake and so we can see that over time you know this is the duration over time you know this is the duration over time you know this is the duration of the workout of the workout of the workout and so it's pretty cool i mean this is and so it's pretty cool i mean this is and so it's pretty cool i mean this is the raw data so it's a bit technical the raw data so it's a bit technical the raw data so it's a bit technical and dense if you're not used to looking and dense if you're not used to looking and dense if you're not used to looking at it but this gets um at it but this gets um at it but this gets um sent to the data scientists at pinoy and sent to the data scientists at pinoy and sent to the data scientists at pinoy and and they send back a report and they send back a report and they send back a report and so now that report makes it much and so now that report makes it much and so now that report makes it much more consumable more consumable more consumable it compares you to your um your gender it compares you to your um your gender it compares you to your um your gender and age and says
1:01and age and says and age and says how do you compare in terms of aerobic how do you compare in terms of aerobic how do you compare in terms of aerobic health to your demographic and it'll health to your demographic and it'll health to your demographic and it'll give you a rating give you a rating give you a rating you know percentage rating zero to 100 you know percentage rating zero to 100 you know percentage rating zero to 100 percent and so we can look at that percent and so we can look at that percent and so we can look at that um it's it's all translated into the um it's it's all translated into the um it's it's all translated into the report and then it'll customize report and then it'll customize report and then it'll customize recommendations if your goal is fat loss recommendations if your goal is fat loss recommendations if your goal is fat loss it's like hey it's like hey your cardiovascular shape it might be your cardiovascular shape it might be your cardiovascular shape it might be pretty good we pretty good we pretty good we we you should be emphasizing strength a we you should be emphasizing strength a we you should be emphasizing strength a little bit more and so it'll actually little bit more and so it'll actually little bit more and so it'll actually lean your report according to what your lean your report according to what your lean your report according to what your what your goal is but the baseline what your goal is but the baseline what your goal is but the baseline metrics of comparing metrics of comparing metrics of comparing to the general population is is not to the general population is is not to the general population is is not impacted by what your goal is impacted by what your goal is impacted by what your goal is okay so i would do this and then when okay so i would do this and then when okay so i would do this and then when would i probably come back and do a would i probably come back and do a would i probably come back and do a second one yeah what do you think it second one yeah what do you think it second one yeah what do you think it really depends on how really depends on how really depends on how intense i'm just trying to lose weight intense i'm just trying to lose weight intense i'm just trying to lose weight let's just say depends on let's just say depends on let's just say depends on on your patient level patience level if on your patient level patience level if on your patient level patience level if you're like hey i'm going to crush it you're like hey i'm going to crush it you're like hey i'm going to crush it these 30 days these 30 days these 30 days i'm you know i'm ramping up all these i'm you know i'm ramping up all these i'm you know i'm ramping up all these different areas i want to know how i'm different areas i want to know how i'm different areas i want to know how i'm doing in 30 days doing in 30 days doing in 30 days cool let's do like a 30 day challenge cool let's do like a 30 day challenge cool let's do like a 30 day challenge format format format um we could do 60 or 90 day challenge as
1:02um we could do 60 or 90 day challenge as um we could do 60 or 90 day challenge as well and just say hey well and just say hey well and just say hey just putting a date out there 90 days just putting a date out there 90 days just putting a date out there 90 days from now i want to make progress from now i want to make progress from now i want to make progress in all these areas um that's that can be in all these areas um that's that can be in all these areas um that's that can be really really really nice accountability and validation nice accountability and validation nice accountability and validation if you're doing something you've always if you're doing something you've always if you're doing something you've always done and it's a matter of getting the done and it's a matter of getting the done and it's a matter of getting the work done work done work done that's one thing but every 30 days might that's one thing but every 30 days might that's one thing but every 30 days might be relevant be relevant be relevant if you're hey i'm going to try this keto if you're hey i'm going to try this keto if you're hey i'm going to try this keto thing and thing and thing and i want to make sure that it's actually i want to make sure that it's actually i want to make sure that it's actually working for me because there's no working for me because there's no working for me because there's no one-size-fits-all for diet or one-size-fits-all for diet or one-size-fits-all for diet or exercise so let's check in 30 days in exercise so let's check in 30 days in exercise so let's check in 30 days in and assess how and assess how and assess how i'm responding and then so people i'm responding and then so people i'm responding and then so people sometimes sometimes sometimes you know do it more often on the outside you know do it more often on the outside you know do it more often on the outside of trying something new of trying something new of trying something new because yeah you could i mean you could because yeah you could i mean you could because yeah you could i mean you could do this just for a diet change do this just for a diet change do this just for a diet change not even for like hey i'm doing what i not even for like hey i'm doing what i not even for like hey i'm doing what i always do with training like i'm always do with training like i'm always do with training like i'm that's already set i'm but i'm that's already set i'm but i'm that's already set i'm but i'm experimenting with different dietary experimenting with different dietary experimenting with different dietary lifestyle patterns yeah very cool man lifestyle patterns yeah very cool man lifestyle patterns yeah very cool man this is awesome um this is awesome um this is awesome um also i know you're working on another
1:03also i know you're working on another also i know you're working on another project you want to talk about that at project you want to talk about that at project you want to talk about that at all breath lab all breath lab all breath lab yeah breath lab dot io is um yeah breath lab dot io is um yeah breath lab dot io is um at breathlab.io on instagram is a at breathlab.io on instagram is a at breathlab.io on instagram is a platform that platform that platform that i'm working with a collaborator um i'm working with a collaborator um i'm working with a collaborator um out of the new york city area um and out of the new york city area um and out of the new york city area um and we're basically trying to elevate the we're basically trying to elevate the we're basically trying to elevate the conversation around breath conversation around breath conversation around breath and elevate not i don't say that like and elevate not i don't say that like and elevate not i don't say that like better than everyone else better than everyone else better than everyone else but really just try to communicate but really just try to communicate but really just try to communicate at large by bringing in some of the at large by bringing in some of the at large by bringing in some of the world's leading experts on breath and world's leading experts on breath and world's leading experts on breath and right now it's a monthly webinar right now it's a monthly webinar right now it's a monthly webinar and we've done four so far and they've and we've done four so far and they've and we've done four so far and they've just had just had just had an amazing response nice um and so an amazing response nice um and so an amazing response nice um and so the the last three the firs was inhale the the last three the firs was inhale the the last three the firs was inhale was one was one was one um exhale and then hold was the kind of um exhale and then hold was the kind of um exhale and then hold was the kind of the series that we were on and we just the series that we were on and we just the series that we were on and we just took a dive into you know what are what took a dive into you know what are what took a dive into you know what are what is the nuance of the inhale is the nuance of the inhale is the nuance of the inhale and we listen to you know up to five and we listen to you know up to five and we listen to you know up to five different experts on different experts on different experts on the zoom call with our audience of the zoom call with our audience of the zoom call with our audience of over 100 150 some i think over 200 on
1:04over 100 150 some i think over 200 on over 100 150 some i think over 200 on at one point um people listening into at one point um people listening into at one point um people listening into the world's experts the world's experts the world's experts talking about the nuance of the inhale talking about the nuance of the inhale talking about the nuance of the inhale what can we learn about how we manage what can we learn about how we manage what can we learn about how we manage our inhale our inhale our inhale what can we learn then the next month what can we learn then the next month what can we learn then the next month what what is in the exhale that what what is in the exhale that what what is in the exhale that maybe we haven't thought of and maybe we haven't thought of and maybe we haven't thought of and different experts sharing their different experts sharing their different experts sharing their experience it's just super interesting experience it's just super interesting experience it's just super interesting and so and so that's been that's been something that's that's been that's been something that's that's been that's been something that's launched uh launched uh launched uh just since covid really um and perfect just since covid really um and perfect just since covid really um and perfect timing yeah and you know it's really timing yeah and you know it's really timing yeah and you know it's really relevant relevant relevant um and it's it's been really fun to um and it's it's been really fun to um and it's it's been really fun to to hear from these experts and and then to hear from these experts and and then to hear from these experts and and then to be able to to be able to to be able to kind of dive into the the nuance of what kind of dive into the the nuance of what kind of dive into the the nuance of what they shared because they shared because they shared because you know you you're listening to these you know you you're listening to these you know you you're listening to these experts and it's it's a lot to take in experts and it's it's a lot to take in experts and it's it's a lot to take in um but so we're looking on building also um but so we're looking on building also um but so we're looking on building also some some some some programs for people to be a part of some programs for people to be a part of some programs for people to be a part of one thing i'm going to be launching here one thing i'm going to be launching here one thing i'm going to be launching here pretty soon hasn't been announced yet pretty soon hasn't been announced yet pretty soon hasn't been announced yet but but a sleep study experience for people to a sleep study experience for people to a sleep study experience for people to to work on their sleep patterns and to work on their sleep patterns and to work on their sleep patterns and you've probably seen the mouth tape you've probably seen the mouth tape you've probably seen the mouth tape yeah that um people wear i mean that was
1:05yeah that um people wear i mean that was yeah that um people wear i mean that was on shark tank you know this nasal on shark tank you know this nasal on shark tank you know this nasal breathing thing is really starting to breathing thing is really starting to breathing thing is really starting to come mainstream which is really cool you come mainstream which is really cool you come mainstream which is really cool you know art know art know art if you read um james snester's book if you read um james snester's book if you read um james snester's book breathe right breathe right breathe right yeah um it was great he was on the joke yeah um it was great he was on the joke yeah um it was great he was on the joke what is it what is it what is it i think it's great i think it's breath i think it's great i think it's breath i think it's great i think it's breath yeah he was on joe rogan yeah he was on joe rogan yeah he was on joe rogan podcast and so things are i mean podcast and so things are i mean podcast and so things are i mean obviously it's really relevant with obviously it's really relevant with obviously it's really relevant with respiratory health respiratory health respiratory health but more and more men's health you know but more and more men's health you know but more and more men's health you know gq gq gq like all these you know major media like all these you know major media like all these you know major media outlets are outlets are outlets are have something on breath work have have something on breath work have have something on breath work have something on nasal breathing and so it's something on nasal breathing and so it's something on nasal breathing and so it's it's really intensifying the it's really intensifying the it's really intensifying the conversation around is intensifying so conversation around is intensifying so conversation around is intensifying so um what we're going to be doing is we're um what we're going to be doing is we're um what we're going to be doing is we're going to be giving people going to be giving people going to be giving people access to a new product um like i said access to a new product um like i said access to a new product um like i said you've seen the mouth tape stuff but you've seen the mouth tape stuff but you've seen the mouth tape stuff but all the mouth tape on the market goes all the mouth tape on the market goes all the mouth tape on the market goes over your lips over your lips over your lips that you know if you're trying to tape that you know if you're trying to tape that you know if you're trying to tape your mouth shut that makes sense yeah your mouth shut that makes sense yeah your mouth shut that makes sense yeah but patrick mccowan author of oxygen but patrick mccowan author of oxygen but patrick mccowan author of oxygen advantage advantage advantage created something called myotape and
1:06created something called myotape and created something called myotape and myotape goes around your mouth myotape goes around your mouth myotape goes around your mouth so for all the people they're like i'm so for all the people they're like i'm so for all the people they're like i'm not taping my mouth shut are you crazy not taping my mouth shut are you crazy not taping my mouth shut are you crazy like that sounds extreme that's a well like that sounds extreme that's a well like that sounds extreme that's a well what if we put tape around your mouth what if we put tape around your mouth what if we put tape around your mouth it's basically a box and so it goes it's basically a box and so it goes it's basically a box and so it goes around your lips so if you wanted to around your lips so if you wanted to around your lips so if you wanted to take a drink you could still take a take a drink you could still take a take a drink you could still take a drink drink drink if you wanted i mean so it's really a if you wanted i mean so it's really a if you wanted i mean so it's really a very different thing because when you so very different thing because when you so very different thing because when you so you're not wearing this to go to bed you're not wearing this to go to bed you're not wearing this to go to bed you're wearing like all day you're wearing like all day you're wearing like all day no you're wearing go to bed okay i mean no you're wearing go to bed okay i mean no you're wearing go to bed okay i mean the they also have i mean you could wear the they also have i mean you could wear the they also have i mean you could wear it if you just wanted a reminder if you it if you just wanted a reminder if you it if you just wanted a reminder if you were working at your desk or something were working at your desk or something were working at your desk or something like that like that like that they have a version for kids and that's they have a version for kids and that's they have a version for kids and that's the other thing it can be accessible to the other thing it can be accessible to the other thing it can be accessible to kids now because kids now because kids now because the danger aspect is you know completely the danger aspect is you know completely the danger aspect is you know completely different different um and so you know sometimes just um and so you know sometimes just um and so you know sometimes just putting the mouth tape on putting the mouth tape on putting the mouth tape on he recommends it for kids for focus and he recommends it for kids for focus and he recommends it for kids for focus and cognition just to cognition just to cognition just to be present because that mouth-breathing be present because that mouth-breathing be present because that mouth-breathing um pattern it really is not um pattern it really is not um pattern it really is not helpful for i mean he talks about you helpful for i mean he talks about you helpful for i mean he talks about you know dental structure and face structure know dental structure and face structure know dental structure and face structure and the book breath goes into that as and the book breath goes into that as and the book breath goes into that as well and so we're launching well and so we're launching
1:07well and so we're launching a like a 30-day challenge sleep a like a 30-day challenge sleep a like a 30-day challenge sleep challenge challenge challenge in which you you get a pack of 90 strips in which you you get a pack of 90 strips in which you you get a pack of 90 strips um of the mayo tape and you get to wear um of the mayo tape and you get to wear um of the mayo tape and you get to wear them every night to bed them every night to bed them every night to bed and it's awesome i interviewed patrick and it's awesome i interviewed patrick and it's awesome i interviewed patrick mccown last week mccown last week mccown last week and he introduced the product and kind and he introduced the product and kind and he introduced the product and kind of gave us a bunch of of gave us a bunch of of gave us a bunch of you know tips for applying it to life you know tips for applying it to life you know tips for applying it to life and breathing practices to go along with and breathing practices to go along with and breathing practices to go along with it it it so we're going to be launching that so we're going to be launching that so we're going to be launching that really soon so if people want to look really soon so if people want to look really soon so if people want to look out for that be a part of that out for that be a part of that out for that be a part of that it's sold the myotape has sold out it's sold the myotape has sold out it's sold the myotape has sold out multiple times in europe multiple times in europe multiple times in europe finally getting you know a shipment here finally getting you know a shipment here finally getting you know a shipment here to the us and so i'm to the us and so i'm to the us and so i'm putting that that order in today or putting that that order in today or putting that that order in today or tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow but want to get that out to people but want to get that out to people but want to get that out to people october 1st but if they want to be october 1st but if they want to be october 1st but if they want to be first kind of on the on the leading edge first kind of on the on the leading edge first kind of on the on the leading edge of receiving that product of receiving that product of receiving that product you know it's it hasn't even been you know it's it hasn't even been you know it's it hasn't even been formally set up for distribution here in formally set up for distribution here in formally set up for distribution here in the us the us the us so we're trying to launch that with as so we're trying to launch that with as so we're trying to launch that with as an experience through breathlab.io an experience through breathlab.io an experience through breathlab.io nice that's awesome nice that's awesome nice that's awesome before we go into the like the lightning before we go into the like the lightning before we go into the like the lightning round of questions that i like to ask round of questions that i like to ask round of questions that i like to ask all my guests all my guests all my guests uh anything else that you want to talk
1:08uh anything else that you want to talk uh anything else that you want to talk about that we didn't talk about sorry about that we didn't talk about sorry about that we didn't talk about sorry you just want to take a class you just want to take a class you just want to take a class whoops um anything that we didn't cover whoops um anything that we didn't cover whoops um anything that we didn't cover or you wish i had asked you or you wish i had asked you or you wish i had asked you no i think maybe one of the the one area no i think maybe one of the the one area no i think maybe one of the the one area that we didn't touch that we didn't touch that we didn't touch as much on was nasal breathing but as much on was nasal breathing but as much on was nasal breathing but that's been a huge that's been a huge that's been a huge aspect of my training process with aspect of my training process with aspect of my training process with the system um and i wouldn't has it made the system um and i wouldn't has it made the system um and i wouldn't has it made you a better nasal breather is that you a better nasal breather is that you a better nasal breather is that where you're yeah well where you're yeah well where you're yeah well here's the thing actually and we didn't here's the thing actually and we didn't here's the thing actually and we didn't really touch about this on my really touch about this on my really touch about this on my as far as my entrance into breath work as far as my entrance into breath work as far as my entrance into breath work and and you know discovering this technology i you know discovering this technology i you know discovering this technology i am pretty active person am pretty active person am pretty active person i don't gravitat like i want to meditate i don't gravitat like i want to meditate i don't gravitat like i want to meditate you know i want to be that type of you know i want to be that type of you know i want to be that type of person but like i'm very person but like i'm very person but like i'm very i've never like installed it as a i've never like installed it as a i've never like installed it as a practice in my life and and practice in my life and and practice in my life and and same for breath work um until i same for breath work um until i same for breath work um until i discovered discovered discovered this because i could get on a bike and this because i could get on a bike and this because i could get on a bike and do something i was familiar with do something i was familiar with do something i was familiar with and that felt good i was exercising and and that felt good i was exercising and and that felt good i was exercising and then i could flip a switch and my then i could flip a switch and my then i could flip a switch and my my attention immediately was on my
1:09my attention immediately was on my my attention immediately was on my breath breath breath and i could still move my breath as much and i could still move my breath as much and i could still move my breath as much as i wanted to but there's something as i wanted to but there's something as i wanted to but there's something different about the air different about the air different about the air and so it dialed me into that body and so it dialed me into that body and so it dialed me into that body awareness breath awareness awareness breath awareness awareness breath awareness can i keep going at this tempo like at can i keep going at this tempo like at can i keep going at this tempo like at what point do i have to switch all these what point do i have to switch all these what point do i have to switch all these you know these very present points of you know these very present points of you know these very present points of focus focus focus began to arise in my fitness routine and began to arise in my fitness routine and began to arise in my fitness routine and so so that was a game changer for me that was a game changer for me that was a game changer for me now i was asking aware of my breath when now i was asking aware of my breath when now i was asking aware of my breath when i wasn't on the bike because like i wasn't on the bike because like i wasn't on the bike because like how does that threshold feel in real how does that threshold feel in real how does that threshold feel in real life or in life or in life or in normal conditions how about during this normal conditions how about during this normal conditions how about during this activity versus that activity activity versus that activity activity versus that activity yeah and as i explored nasal breathing i yeah and as i explored nasal breathing i yeah and as i explored nasal breathing i soon soon soon started attempting workouts completely started attempting workouts completely started attempting workouts completely in my nose in my nose in my nose and i tried mouth taping i read oxygen and i tried mouth taping i read oxygen and i tried mouth taping i read oxygen advantage you know advantage you know advantage you know early on in my journey but then like i early on in my journey but then like i early on in my journey but then like i tried like let's go on a tried like let's go on a tried like let's go on a run and try the mouth taping thing cool run and try the mouth taping thing cool run and try the mouth taping thing cool but but i again i was more in a performance i again i was more in a performance i again i was more in a performance mindset i was mindset i was mindset i was running and i wanted to like i wanted to
1:10running and i wanted to like i wanted to running and i wanted to like i wanted to demonstrate to myself that i'm making demonstrate to myself that i'm making demonstrate to myself that i'm making progress progress progress yeah i wanted to feel good about how yeah i wanted to feel good about how yeah i wanted to feel good about how fast fast fast and you know like demonstrate my fitness and you know like demonstrate my fitness and you know like demonstrate my fitness to myself to myself to myself right but it only makes sense once i got right but it only makes sense once i got right but it only makes sense once i got on the bike on the bike on the bike like i said i wasn't going anywhere i like i said i wasn't going anywhere i like i said i wasn't going anywhere i was on a stationary bike it's like all was on a stationary bike it's like all was on a stationary bike it's like all right let's try this nasal breathing right let's try this nasal breathing right let's try this nasal breathing thing here and by the way when you go to thing here and by the way when you go to thing here and by the way when you go to altitude it becomes altitude it becomes altitude it becomes even a little bit more difficult even a little bit more difficult even a little bit more difficult not in a resistant sense really but just not in a resistant sense really but just not in a resistant sense really but just it's thinner air so it's like it brings it's thinner air so it's like it brings it's thinner air so it's like it brings your attention there immediately your attention there immediately your attention there immediately and what i like when i would tape my and what i like when i would tape my and what i like when i would tape my mouth i would go out go you know i would mouth i would go out go you know i would mouth i would go out go you know i would be wouldn't be a half mile and be like be wouldn't be a half mile and be like be wouldn't be a half mile and be like like i want to go like yeah and so it like i want to go like yeah and so it like i want to go like yeah and so it was like i would go was like i would go was like i would go so i experimented with it but once i got so i experimented with it but once i got so i experimented with it but once i got here it gave me the here it gave me the here it gave me the patience to patience to patience to make a process out of it and very soon make a process out of it and very soon make a process out of it and very soon i've i've i've you know i started getting on my bike you know i started getting on my bike you know i started getting on my bike and i wasn't a cyclist before but i and i wasn't a cyclist before but i and i wasn't a cyclist before but i started like started like started like maybe i want to be a cyclist like i feel maybe i want to be a cyclist like i feel maybe i want to be a cyclist like i feel really good on the bike i'm hitting this really good on the bike i'm hitting this really good on the bike i'm hitting this state that feels really good 20 30
1:11state that feels really good 20 30 state that feels really good 20 30 minutes in minutes in minutes in yeah 45 minutes i'm doing sessions and yeah 45 minutes i'm doing sessions and yeah 45 minutes i'm doing sessions and like like nose only and i'm my threshold is nose only and i'm my threshold is nose only and i'm my threshold is getting higher and higher so now when i getting higher and higher so now when i getting higher and higher so now when i go to go to go to go out on a run i was experiencing that go out on a run i was experiencing that go out on a run i was experiencing that i don't have to go slow anymore like i i don't have to go slow anymore like i i don't have to go slow anymore like i can exp i've expanded my capacity can exp i've expanded my capacity can exp i've expanded my capacity through my nose through my nose through my nose by increasing co2 tolerance oxygen by increasing co2 tolerance oxygen by increasing co2 tolerance oxygen efficiency efficiency and even just mechanically understanding and even just mechanically understanding and even just mechanically understanding that i have to make a little that i have to make a little that i have to make a little bit of a different face if i'm at a high bit of a different face if i'm at a high bit of a different face if i'm at a high level of exertion to level of exertion to level of exertion to just the structure of my nose just the structure of my nose just the structure of my nose individually individually individually to the point where you know i was to the point where you know i was to the point where you know i was cycling mount diablo and i was able to cycling mount diablo and i was able to cycling mount diablo and i was able to cycle mount diablo at a pretty good pace cycle mount diablo at a pretty good pace cycle mount diablo at a pretty good pace and make it to the top just only and make it to the top just only and make it to the top just only breathing through my nose wow not that breathing through my nose wow not that breathing through my nose wow not that easy breathing is everything because if easy breathing is everything because if easy breathing is everything because if i really want to hit my max i really want to hit my max i really want to hit my max time i probably want to mouth breathe at time i probably want to mouth breathe at time i probably want to mouth breathe at certain portions right certain portions right certain portions right and when i was trying to you know hit my and when i was trying to you know hit my and when i was trying to you know hit my best time i would but it was best time i would but it was best time i would but it was really interesting to know that like i really interesting to know that like i really interesting to know that like i can hold can hold can hold eighty to ninety percent of my max heart eighty to ninety percent of my max heart eighty to ninety percent of my max heart rate for an hour and fifteen
1:12rate for an hour and fifteen rate for an hour and fifteen breathing only through my nose like yeah breathing only through my nose like yeah breathing only through my nose like yeah and seeing that and seeing that and seeing that change on the mountain especially out in change on the mountain especially out in change on the mountain especially out in the on the road the on the road the on the road it was like all right normally i would it was like all right normally i would it was like all right normally i would start really get it would just start really get it would just start really get it would just really start getting hard at like 150 really start getting hard at like 150 really start getting hard at like 150 beats per minute beats per minute beats per minute and then it's like slowly 155 i'm fine and then it's like slowly 155 i'm fine and then it's like slowly 155 i'm fine up to one time it was great because i up to one time it was great because i up to one time it was great because i forgot to wear my heart rate monitor and forgot to wear my heart rate monitor and forgot to wear my heart rate monitor and i was like i was like i was like i was up at like 175 and i was listening i was up at like 175 and i was listening i was up at like 175 and i was listening to very like meditative kind of track to very like meditative kind of track to very like meditative kind of track yeah because i don't like to pump up mix yeah because i don't like to pump up mix yeah because i don't like to pump up mix gets me like that's more gets me like that's more gets me like that's more yeah so you start mouth breathing yeah yeah so you start mouth breathing yeah yeah so you start mouth breathing yeah exactly so it was very like exactly so it was very like exactly so it was very like ethereal type music and i didn't have a ethereal type music and i didn't have a ethereal type music and i didn't have a heart rate monitor that i normally have heart rate monitor that i normally have heart rate monitor that i normally have on my bike on my bike on my bike monitor so i i actually was wearing monitor so i i actually was wearing monitor so i i actually was wearing constantly be looking at it constantly be looking at it constantly be looking at it i had the woop on i was like oh let me i had the woop on i was like oh let me i had the woop on i was like oh let me just as i'm keeping this template let me just as i'm keeping this template let me just as i'm keeping this template let me just like open the loop and see just like open the loop and see just like open the loop and see where i'm at i was like whoa i'm at 175 where i'm at i was like whoa i'm at 175 where i'm at i was like whoa i'm at 175 and and even just seeing that origin immediately even just seeing that origin immediately even just seeing that origin immediately triggered me back into like triggered me back into like triggered me back into like whoa can i keep it and then my breath whoa can i keep it and then my breath whoa can i keep it and then my breath changed and of course eventually changed and of course eventually changed and of course eventually i was like i'm gonna slow down regain
1:13i was like i'm gonna slow down regain i was like i'm gonna slow down regain but it was like wow i was just in the but it was like wow i was just in the but it was like wow i was just in the zone heart rate 175 zone heart rate 175 zone heart rate 175 and and climbing and i was i was not and and climbing and i was i was not and and climbing and i was i was not stressing it and so it was just cool stressing it and so it was just cool stressing it and so it was just cool really cool to see that progress and to really cool to see that progress and to really cool to see that progress and to i would have never had the patience to i would have never had the patience to i would have never had the patience to just chip away at that if i hadn't had just chip away at that if i hadn't had just chip away at that if i hadn't had the the the presence of the altitude switch and the presence of the altitude switch and the presence of the altitude switch and i shouldn't say i would never but i shouldn't say i would never but i shouldn't say i would never but it definitely accelerated my process in it definitely accelerated my process in it definitely accelerated my process in my way yes my way yes my way yes i mean i know for me just when i was on i mean i know for me just when i was on i mean i know for me just when i was on it and you brought me up to that high it and you brought me up to that high it and you brought me up to that high altitude at like 15 000 altitude at like 15 000 altitude at like 15 000 square feet um square feet um square feet um i had to be very cognizant of my breath i had to be very cognizant of my breath i had to be very cognizant of my breath so you're right i mean so you're right i mean so you're right i mean i had to i was really like very i had to i was really like very i had to i was really like very cognizant of it cognizant of it cognizant of it it was like almost calculating it was like almost calculating it was like almost calculating calculated breaths i was taking calculated breaths i was taking calculated breaths i was taking and just very um and just very um and just very um just a lot of awareness and just making just a lot of awareness and just making just a lot of awareness and just making sure that i knew it was in a calm state sure that i knew it was in a calm state sure that i knew it was in a calm state because i knew that if i wasn't because i knew that if i wasn't because i knew that if i wasn't i was going to hyperventilate a lot i was going to hyperventilate a lot i was going to hyperventilate a lot quicker and burn out so it's interesting quicker and burn out so it's interesting quicker and burn out so it's interesting you say that you say that you say that i mean just from briefly doing i'm like i mean just from briefly doing i'm like i mean just from briefly doing i'm like yeah i could totally see how yeah i could totally see how yeah i could totally see how it makes you aware of the breath you
1:14it makes you aware of the breath you it makes you aware of the breath you know your breath and your thoughts you know your breath and your thoughts you know your breath and your thoughts you start realizing that everything you do start realizing that everything you do start realizing that everything you do takes energy takes energy takes energy so me like when you're on your bike and so me like when you're on your bike and so me like when you're on your bike and you're you know you're you know you're you know holding a certain level of performance holding a certain level of performance holding a certain level of performance your your your your heart rate's at you know a given your heart rate's at you know a given your heart rate's at you know a given level and if a song comes on that i level and if a song comes on that i level and if a song comes on that i don't like don't like don't like and i have to open an app to change it i and i have to open an app to change it i and i have to open an app to change it i hate that like hate that like hate that like the rhythm of my breath changes is the rhythm of my breath changes is the rhythm of my breath changes is interrupted because i'm interrupted because i'm interrupted because i'm my movements are different and because my movements are different and because my movements are different and because maybe i'm like oh shoot i missed it and maybe i'm like oh shoot i missed it and maybe i'm like oh shoot i missed it and i'm i'm i'm have a little stress moment of like i have a little stress moment of like i have a little stress moment of like i want to get back to my my tempo and want to get back to my my tempo and want to get back to my my tempo and but like those little interruptions like but like those little interruptions like but like those little interruptions like change your performance like change your performance like change your performance like change your breath and even if i'm not change your breath and even if i'm not change your breath and even if i'm not opening you know doing anything opening you know doing anything opening you know doing anything tech related if i'm just on the bike and tech related if i'm just on the bike and tech related if i'm just on the bike and then i start thinking about like then i start thinking about like then i start thinking about like something going on in life and it's like something going on in life and it's like something going on in life and it's like and i i can feel it's really cool to and i i can feel it's really cool to and i i can feel it's really cool to start feeling that start feeling that start feeling that this stress this thought pattern is this stress this thought pattern is this stress this thought pattern is changing changing changing the metabolic demand of the moment the metabolic demand of the moment the metabolic demand of the moment and so that awareness really places a
1:15and so that awareness really places a and so that awareness really places a different different emphasis on how you manage your thoughts emphasis on how you manage your thoughts emphasis on how you manage your thoughts and how you manage your and how you manage your and how you manage your your focus when you're on the bike and your focus when you're on the bike and your focus when you're on the bike and to me that was to me that was to me that was i mean that that is meditation for me i mean that that is meditation for me i mean that that is meditation for me yeah you know yeah you know yeah you know like i'm i'm back to the present moment like i'm i'm back to the present moment like i'm i'm back to the present moment because because the result of not being in the present the result of not being in the present the result of not being in the present moment is moment is moment is this 90 of your max heart rate through this 90 of your max heart rate through this 90 of your max heart rate through your nose your nose your nose all of a sudden starts getting really all of a sudden starts getting really all of a sudden starts getting really uncomfortable yep uncomfortable yep uncomfortable yep to the point where like you're you know to the point where like you're you know to the point where like you're you know you're burning up you're like it changes you're burning up you're like it changes you're burning up you're like it changes everything and so like everything and so like everything and so like getting to the edge there and really getting to the edge there and really getting to the edge there and really feeling that difference is feeling that difference is feeling that difference is is really meditative and really is really meditative and really is really meditative and really rewarding for me to like rewarding for me to like rewarding for me to like get there in that way yeah so now i get get there in that way yeah so now i get get there in that way yeah so now i get it it i love it yeah that's fine all right hey i love it yeah that's fine all right hey i love it yeah that's fine all right hey let's jump into the lightning round of let's jump into the lightning round of let's jump into the lightning round of questions are you ready yeah questions are you ready yeah questions are you ready yeah all right if the old jew could see the all right if the old jew could see the all right if the old jew could see the new you new you new you what would the new you say what would the new you like what what if what would the new you like what what if you had to look at
1:16you had to look at you had to look at yourself where you are now and you were yourself where you are now and you were yourself where you are now and you were looking at your old self looking at your old self looking at your old self what would you tell that person what would you tell that person what would you tell that person yeah that's a good question i mean i yeah that's a good question i mean i yeah that's a good question i mean i think think it's not that long ago like really the it's not that long ago like really the it's not that long ago like really the old you was just a couple old you was just a couple old you was just a couple weeks ago yeah no but i mean in the weeks ago yeah no but i mean in the weeks ago yeah no but i mean in the constant constant constant evolution it's like it's it's really not evolution it's like it's it's really not evolution it's like it's it's really not that long ago that that long ago that that long ago that i um i was stressed out working i um i was stressed out working i um i was stressed out working around the clock you know i mean it it around the clock you know i mean it it around the clock you know i mean it it feels like a long time ago but it really feels like a long time ago but it really feels like a long time ago but it really wasn't that wasn't that wasn't that long ago and i think thinking on my feet long ago and i think thinking on my feet long ago and i think thinking on my feet what would i what would i what would i say is like i think say is like i think say is like i think diving into the breath has diving into the breath has diving into the breath has has been a game changer for me and doing has been a game changer for me and doing has been a game changer for me and doing it for me actively it for me actively it for me actively through activity the aerobic aerobic through activity the aerobic aerobic through activity the aerobic aerobic exercise exercise like i never had a relationship to that like i never had a relationship to that like i never had a relationship to that formerly yeah it was like it was like formerly yeah it was like it was like formerly yeah it was like it was like work out it's like work out it's like work out it's like i don't really want to do that like is i don't really want to do that like is i don't really want to do that like is am i can i chase a ball of some sort can am i can i chase a ball of some sort can am i can i chase a ball of some sort can we we
1:17we throw a frisbee and that still is like throw a frisbee and that still is like throw a frisbee and that still is like that's the way i enjoy it most that's the way i enjoy it most that's the way i enjoy it most but i've gained the interest and the but i've gained the interest and the but i've gained the interest and the patience to like patience to like patience to like like start understanding that like i like start understanding that like i like start understanding that like i have an engine like i have an engine like i have an engine like i am an engine of some sort like we're all am an engine of some sort like we're all am an engine of some sort like we're all engines of some sort and what type of engines of some sort and what type of engines of some sort and what type of engine do i want to be engine do i want to be engine do i want to be and like what is the expression of that and like what is the expression of that and like what is the expression of that day-to-day and day-to-day and day-to-day and for me it's like looking forward like at for me it's like looking forward like at for me it's like looking forward like at 45 45 45 what kind of engine do i want to have what kind of engine do i want to have what kind of engine do i want to have because i see people that i really because i see people that i really because i see people that i really admire that i'm like admire that i'm like admire that i'm like wow like that's like i you know at top wow like that's like i you know at top wow like that's like i you know at top of mount diablo of mount diablo of mount diablo the people you meet up there's like a 70 the people you meet up there's like a 70 the people you meet up there's like a 70 year old he's like yeah i made it up year old he's like yeah i made it up year old he's like yeah i made it up here in like here in like here in like 59 minutes i'm just like like when 59 minutes i'm just like like when 59 minutes i'm just like like when you're on the mountain and someone tells you're on the mountain and someone tells you're on the mountain and someone tells you like you like you like their time and you and you're like yeah their time and you and you're like yeah their time and you and you're like yeah you understand it's a good time like i you understand it's a good time like i you understand it's a good time like i don't i don't know so like i mean under don't i don't know so like i mean under don't i don't know so like i mean under an hour an hour an hour what are you doing i think my best time what are you doing i think my best time what are you doing i think my best time was like was like was like an hour eleven yeah something like that an hour eleven yeah something like that an hour eleven yeah something like that but i mean i'm on a mountain bike but i mean i'm on a mountain bike but i mean i'm on a mountain bike and you know that still has a little and you know that still has a little and you know that still has a little shock in it and the tires and shock in it and the tires and shock in it and the tires and so like i for me i was competing against
1:18so like i for me i was competing against so like i for me i was competing against myself so it didn't really matter it was myself so it didn't really matter it was myself so it didn't really matter it was like like but we were but with the guys 70 said or but we were but with the guys 70 said or but we were but with the guys 70 said or something yeah you're 35 so something yeah you're 35 so something yeah you're 35 so well you know something the guy's in well you know something the guy's in well you know something the guy's in good shape yeah i mean i mean these good shape yeah i mean i mean these good shape yeah i mean i mean these the the people you see on the road the the people you see on the road the the people you see on the road they've got insane bikes and they've got insane bikes and they've got insane bikes and you know they're really dialed in he you know they're really dialed in he you know they're really dialed in he does it two three times a week does it two three times a week does it two three times a week yeah um but it's just super impressive yeah um but it's just super impressive yeah um but it's just super impressive someone that's someone that's someone that's late 60s 70s like crushing it like that late 60s 70s like crushing it like that late 60s 70s like crushing it like that on the mountain and um on the mountain and um on the mountain and um you know they've just dialed in their you know they've just dialed in their you know they've just dialed in their efficiency i mean efficiency i mean efficiency i mean it takes a long time if you look at the it takes a long time if you look at the it takes a long time if you look at the difference between difference between difference between a good cyclist and an elite cyclist it's a good cyclist and an elite cyclist it's a good cyclist and an elite cyclist it's like exponential it's like like exponential it's like like exponential it's like if you you know have a seat like next to if you you know have a seat like next to if you you know have a seat like next to the nba the nba the nba like what do you call it courtside seat like what do you call it courtside seat like what do you call it courtside seat at the nba it's like at the nba it's like at the nba it's like oh this is different than i haven't been oh this is different than i haven't been oh this is different than i haven't been courtside but courtside but courtside but like the understanding of like oh that's like the understanding of like oh that's like the understanding of like oh that's how these guys are moving that's how how these guys are moving that's how how these guys are moving that's how fast they are that's how fast they are that's how fast they are that's how compared to a high school basketball compared to a high school basketball compared to a high school basketball game or even a good college team it's game or even a good college team it's game or even a good college team it's like like the difference there is so so incredible
1:19the difference there is so so incredible the difference there is so so incredible uh uh uh so but getting back to your question i so but getting back to your question i so but getting back to your question i think it would just be it would just be think it would just be it would just be think it would just be it would just be a huge encouragement to like a huge encouragement to like a huge encouragement to like like get connected to your engine yeah like get connected to your engine yeah like get connected to your engine yeah like like and start developing that you don't have and start developing that you don't have and start developing that you don't have to get there fast but get connected with to get there fast but get connected with to get there fast but get connected with it because it is the it because it is the it because it is the it is it is your living breathing energy it is it is your living breathing energy it is it is your living breathing energy system that drives system that drives system that drives your perception of everything your your perception of everything your your perception of everything your energy your future your legacy energy your future your legacy energy your future your legacy and so for me you know energizing myself and so for me you know energizing myself and so for me you know energizing myself via via via breath work and then helping energize breath work and then helping energize breath work and then helping energize the reality of the reality of the reality of other people's mental and physical other people's mental and physical other people's mental and physical health is health is health is is really a legacy play so to speak it's is really a legacy play so to speak it's is really a legacy play so to speak it's like that's like that's like that's that's what we're we're acting on it's that's what we're we're acting on it's that's what we're we're acting on it's not just a we're not changing the not just a we're not changing the not just a we're not changing the furniture like hey we should move this furniture like hey we should move this furniture like hey we should move this couch around like it's couch around like it's couch around like it's no it's this is bigger than that so no it's this is bigger than that so no it's this is bigger than that so i think that's that would be my message i think that's that would be my message i think that's that would be my message i love it i love it i love it what uh what are some choices that uh what uh what are some choices that uh what uh what are some choices that uh made you who you are today made you who you are today made you who you are today some choices um definitely a big one was some choices um definitely a big one was some choices um definitely a big one was just just just doing what i love and i i you know i i doing what i love and i i you know i i doing what i love and i i you know i i think that was installed early on
1:20think that was installed early on think that was installed early on for me you know in homeschooling it was for me you know in homeschooling it was for me you know in homeschooling it was like hey you have to do a science like hey you have to do a science like hey you have to do a science project what is it going to be about project what is it going to be about project what is it going to be about you know and it was like well i want to you know and it was like well i want to you know and it was like well i want to go in the stream and i want to go in the stream and i want to go in the stream and i want to dig up the rocks in the stream bottom dig up the rocks in the stream bottom dig up the rocks in the stream bottom and figure out what and figure out what and figure out what which mayflies catas flies and black which mayflies catas flies and black which mayflies catas flies and black flies flies flies are making up the diet of the brown are making up the diet of the brown are making up the diet of the brown trout in the yellow breeches creek trout in the yellow breeches creek trout in the yellow breeches creek like wow those kind of questions was like wow those kind of questions was like wow those kind of questions was like i was like i was like i was able to channel my interest and then able to channel my interest and then able to channel my interest and then that's a legitimate science project and that's a legitimate science project and that's a legitimate science project and understand temp water temperature and understand temp water temperature and understand temp water temperature and stream conditions and seasons and when stream conditions and seasons and when stream conditions and seasons and when they hatch and they hatch and they hatch and how the the fish behave in response to how the the fish behave in response to how the the fish behave in response to all those variables i was making decisions very early on i was making decisions very early on that like doing what i love that like doing what i love that like doing what i love because being in that inspired state of because being in that inspired state of because being in that inspired state of just losing myself and like just losing myself and like just losing myself and like trying to understand the complexity of trying to understand the complexity of trying to understand the complexity of something like that something like that something like that i think really has impacted how i pursue i think really has impacted how i pursue i think really has impacted how i pursue my career my career my career it absolutely made me fall in love with it absolutely made me fall in love with it absolutely made me fall in love with teaching and volleyball
1:21teaching and volleyball teaching and volleyball um in a new way and then in this um in a new way and then in this um in a new way and then in this discovery has been a bit more personal discovery has been a bit more personal discovery has been a bit more personal and to you know started with doing it and to you know started with doing it and to you know started with doing it for myself for myself for myself and then sharing it with others so and then sharing it with others so and then sharing it with others so yeah i love it dude that's awesome yeah i love it dude that's awesome yeah i love it dude that's awesome um anybody from the biohacking wellness um anybody from the biohacking wellness um anybody from the biohacking wellness fitness community fitness community fitness community anybody out there that that you follow anybody out there that that you follow anybody out there that that you follow or that inspires you or that inspires you or that inspires you um yeah there's a lot of people that um yeah there's a lot of people that um yeah there's a lot of people that have impacted my journey most have impacted my journey most have impacted my journey most recently a lot of them are in in the recently a lot of them are in in the recently a lot of them are in in the breath space you know yeah breath space you know yeah breath space you know yeah but in the holistic sense um but in the holistic sense um but in the holistic sense um i really appreciate um joe distefano i really appreciate um joe distefano i really appreciate um joe distefano i don't know if you know his podcast i don't know if you know his podcast i don't know if you know his podcast stacked he does a really good job and stacked he does a really good job and stacked he does a really good job and and covers a lot of joe d yeah yeah um and covers a lot of joe d yeah yeah um and covers a lot of joe d yeah yeah um so i really like his it's really so i really like his it's really so i really like his it's really grounded grounded grounded um information um but then in the breast um information um but then in the breast um information um but then in the breast base you know brian mckenzie base you know brian mckenzie base you know brian mckenzie and the guys over at what is now shift and the guys over at what is now shift and the guys over at what is now shift adapt adapt adapt rob wilson i've loved their work and a rob wilson i've loved their work and a rob wilson i've loved their work and a lot of what i do has been based on
1:22lot of what i do has been based on lot of what i do has been based on on some of those principles um trying to on some of those principles um trying to on some of those principles um trying to think of think of think of there's a lot of other people that i've there's a lot of other people that i've there's a lot of other people that i've you know guys like when we talk about you know guys like when we talk about you know guys like when we talk about nasal breathing there's nasal breathing there's nasal breathing there's you know there's books like breath you know there's books like breath you know there's books like breath there's books like patrick mccown would there's books like patrick mccown would there's books like patrick mccown would be another big influence be another big influence be another big influence but then there's also people like in but then there's also people like in but then there's also people like in ayurvedic medicine ayurvedic medicine ayurvedic medicine um like dr john dullard and people that um like dr john dullard and people that um like dr john dullard and people that you know you hear different like in you know you hear different like in you know you hear different like in different references they come up different references they come up different references they come up um but i've learned so much from these um but i've learned so much from these um but i've learned so much from these little little little from all of them yeah and so um those from all of them yeah and so um those from all of them yeah and so um those might be some of the biggest might be some of the biggest might be some of the biggest current ones you know i listen to a ton current ones you know i listen to a ton current ones you know i listen to a ton of podcasts of podcasts of podcasts and those podcasts are jump off points and those podcasts are jump off points and those podcasts are jump off points for me to like then dive into for me to like then dive into for me to like then dive into research they mention or other other research they mention or other other research they mention or other other writers writers writers um or doctors that they mention um right um or doctors that they mention um right um or doctors that they mention um right now i've been now i've been now i've been so focused on building what i'm building so focused on building what i'm building so focused on building what i'm building that it's it's uh i haven't been doing that it's it's uh i haven't been doing that it's it's uh i haven't been doing as much reading as i like as much reading as i like as much reading as i like but those are some of the major but those are some of the major but those are some of the major influences really in in the breath space influences really in in the breath space influences really in in the breath space yeah but it's it's been a it's been a yeah but it's it's been a it's been a yeah but it's it's been a it's been a lot of lot of lot of i mean right now it's there's so much
1:23i mean right now it's there's so much i mean right now it's there's so much out there and it's out there and it's out there and it's filtering becomes a big issue so i rely filtering becomes a big issue so i rely filtering becomes a big issue so i rely on on that's why we ask because you know that's why we ask because you know that's why we ask because you know you're an expert in that area so that's you're an expert in that area so that's you're an expert in that area so that's why it's nice to like kind of lead why it's nice to like kind of lead why it's nice to like kind of lead people people people well yeah in terms of books i mean i well yeah in terms of books i mean i well yeah in terms of books i mean i think the oxygen advantage is a great think the oxygen advantage is a great think the oxygen advantage is a great book to kind of enter yeah awareness book to kind of enter yeah awareness book to kind of enter yeah awareness around the breath around the breath around the breath um breath by james nestor is another um breath by james nestor is another um breath by james nestor is another really good one that's really good one that's really good one that's it kind of functions in a lot of ways it kind of functions in a lot of ways it kind of functions in a lot of ways it's very journalistic it functions a it's very journalistic it functions a it's very journalistic it functions a lot and lot and lot and he's a journalist he's not a breath he's a journalist he's not a breath he's a journalist he's not a breath expert but he seeks expert but he seeks expert but he seeks i think like all the best right kind of i think like all the best right kind of i think like all the best right kind of yeah and you become an expert as you yeah and you become an expert as you yeah and you become an expert as you explore this explore this explore this in some way and so i really appreciate in some way and so i really appreciate in some way and so i really appreciate his work and it reminds me of like his work and it reminds me of like his work and it reminds me of like a malcolm gladwell type approach and a malcolm gladwell type approach and a malcolm gladwell type approach and it's really a journey that you go it's really a journey that you go it's really a journey that you go through through through when reading that book so in terms of when reading that book so in terms of when reading that book so in terms of exploring breath and realizing it exploring breath and realizing it exploring breath and realizing it the deep impact it has on human the deep impact it has on human the deep impact it has on human physiology and physiology and physiology and like we talked about cranial structure like we talked about cranial structure like we talked about cranial structure and evolution and evolution and evolution i think that's a really interest i've i think that's a really interest i've i think that's a really interest i've that's that's created more conversations with my created more conversations with my created more conversations with my clients who are like oh i heard about clients who are like oh i heard about clients who are like oh i heard about this book or i read it or
1:24this book or i read it or this book or i read it or it really is a an easy access point for it really is a an easy access point for it really is a an easy access point for people to get started people to get started people to get started yeah no i totally agree um any rituals or like hacks or practices any rituals or like hacks or practices that you do on a daily basis that that you do on a daily basis that that you do on a daily basis that you kind of feel like gives you an edge you kind of feel like gives you an edge you kind of feel like gives you an edge you know people some people use you know people some people use you know people some people use gratitude journaling yeah for you gratitude journaling yeah for you gratitude journaling yeah for you you know you're a high performer man you know you're a high performer man you know you're a high performer man like what do you what do you do i mean like what do you what do you do i mean like what do you what do you do i mean i'll also comment on something breath i'll also comment on something breath i'll also comment on something breath wise for me wise for me wise for me you know one of the simplest takeaways you know one of the simplest takeaways you know one of the simplest takeaways and principles you know everyone's going and principles you know everyone's going and principles you know everyone's going to to respond differently to different breath respond differently to different breath respond differently to different breath practices so this is there's no practices so this is there's no practices so this is there's no one-size-fits-all but one-size-fits-all but one-size-fits-all but just if you take one thing away from and just if you take one thing away from and just if you take one thing away from and can change how you breathe during the can change how you breathe during the can change how you breathe during the day would be day would be day would be free through your nose right yeah unless free through your nose right yeah unless free through your nose right yeah unless you need to breathe through your mouth you need to breathe through your mouth you need to breathe through your mouth breathe through your nose and then the breathe through your nose and then the breathe through your nose and then the other thing would be extending the other thing would be extending the other thing would be extending the exhale exhale exhale it's a simple thing that like hey any it's a simple thing that like hey any it's a simple thing that like hey any time and the more tuned in time and the more tuned in time and the more tuned in you know you become to it you realize you know you become to it you realize you know you become to it you realize that it's has an immediate effect so that it's has an immediate effect so that it's has an immediate effect so just just i mean taking we've been told hey take a i mean taking we've been told hey take a i mean taking we've been told hey take a deep breath you know
1:25deep breath you know deep breath you know and regardless of how we do that how we and regardless of how we do that how we and regardless of how we do that how we release that breath has just such a huge release that breath has just such a huge release that breath has just such a huge impact on your state and so like impact on your state and so like impact on your state and so like i talk to people about this you know and i talk to people about this you know and i talk to people about this you know and we're talking when we're we're talking when we're we're talking when we're training here and very often it's like training here and very often it's like training here and very often it's like even as i'm talking about i'm like i'm even as i'm talking about i'm like i'm even as i'm talking about i'm like i'm like whoa i feel like like whoa i feel like like whoa i feel like just a real shift in my state when i just a real shift in my state when i just a real shift in my state when i just say hey if we take a normal breath and just just that long extended exhale and just just that long extended exhale you know you know you know doubling the length of your inhale in doubling the length of your inhale in doubling the length of your inhale in your exhale so if you take your exhale so if you take your exhale so if you take one second in takes two seconds out if one second in takes two seconds out if one second in takes two seconds out if you take three seconds in take you take three seconds in take you take three seconds in take six seconds out is the simple framework six seconds out is the simple framework six seconds out is the simple framework to just to just to just extend the exhale but really just any extend the exhale but really just any extend the exhale but really just any time time time there's times where i'm so stressed that there's times where i'm so stressed that there's times where i'm so stressed that i like and i'm so busy it's like for me i like and i'm so busy it's like for me i like and i'm so busy it's like for me to to i should do like a break and do some i should do like a break and do some i should do like a break and do some breath work breath work breath work but sometimes it's just like hey i'm but sometimes it's just like hey i'm but sometimes it's just like hey i'm even counting even counting even counting is like too much of a too much cognitive
1:26is like too much of a too much cognitive is like too much of a too much cognitive like i like i like i can't go there right now but i can can't go there right now but i can can't go there right now but i can always go to extend the exhale i can always go to extend the exhale i can always go to extend the exhale i can always just always just always just nice nice nice and just take demonstrate a little and just take demonstrate a little and just take demonstrate a little control that like control that like control that like and the way i like to think about it and and the way i like to think about it and and the way i like to think about it and describe it is like hey right now describe it is like hey right now describe it is like hey right now in this moment i have the luxury that i in this moment i have the luxury that i in this moment i have the luxury that i don't have to don't have to don't have to ventilate evolutionarily like if i would ventilate evolutionarily like if i would ventilate evolutionarily like if i would if i had to like you know i was in a if i had to like you know i was in a if i had to like you know i was in a performance survival situation performance survival situation performance survival situation that's not a luxurious rest and digest that's not a luxurious rest and digest that's not a luxurious rest and digest recovery situation but like right now recovery situation but like right now recovery situation but like right now i'm gonna demonstrate i'm gonna demonstrate i'm gonna demonstrate to my physiology that i have the luxury to my physiology that i have the luxury to my physiology that i have the luxury of of of even if i don't have cognitive safety even if i don't have cognitive safety even if i don't have cognitive safety because some because some because some you know life chaos i i have safety in you know life chaos i i have safety in you know life chaos i i have safety in that moment so for me that's that moment so for me that's that moment so for me that's a really easy um way to just a really easy um way to just a really easy um way to just ground myself and remind myself yeah um ground myself and remind myself yeah um ground myself and remind myself yeah um that's kind of a foundational thing for that's kind of a foundational thing for that's kind of a foundational thing for me um me um me um i enjoy cold exposure um because of it i enjoy cold exposure um because of it i enjoy cold exposure um because of it changes my state changes my state changes my state pretty quickly changes anyone's state
1:27pretty quickly changes anyone's state pretty quickly changes anyone's state yeah quickly yeah quickly yeah quickly but that's something that i i use but that's something that i i use but that's something that i i use regularly here at the center regularly here at the center regularly here at the center um i have one of the freezers at home um i have one of the freezers at home um i have one of the freezers at home i've had one of those for a few years i've had one of those for a few years i've had one of those for a few years that you know that you know that you know i jump into when it's when i have it i jump into when it's when i have it i jump into when it's when i have it cleaned and you know sometimes it goes cleaned and you know sometimes it goes cleaned and you know sometimes it goes on cycles and i on cycles and i on cycles and i yeah you have more interest than other yeah you have more interest than other yeah you have more interest than other times but those two things are times but those two things are times but those two things are are really foundational for me um are really foundational for me um are really foundational for me um sleep is a big deal i mean i'm sleep is a big deal i mean i'm sleep is a big deal i mean i'm i'm lucky enough right now that i'd i'm lucky enough right now that i'd i'm lucky enough right now that i'd never wake up with an alarm clock never wake up with an alarm clock never wake up with an alarm clock i had to last week because you know i i had to last week because you know i i had to last week because you know i got to bed late and i got to bed late and i got to bed late and i couldn't you know i needed to but i'm couldn't you know i needed to but i'm couldn't you know i needed to but i'm pretty pretty pretty regular and i always wake up at like regular and i always wake up at like regular and i always wake up at like when the sun rises well about six when the sun rises well about six when the sun rises well about six o'clock o'clock o'clock is you know 5 30 6 o'clock is usually is you know 5 30 6 o'clock is usually is you know 5 30 6 o'clock is usually when i'm waking up and so it encourages when i'm waking up and so it encourages when i'm waking up and so it encourages me to me to me to go to bed early so that when that time go to bed early so that when that time go to bed early so that when that time comes i'm comes i'm comes i'm i'm getting up and so i'm i need to get i'm getting up and so i'm i need to get i'm getting up and so i'm i need to get even better at sleep because i even better at sleep because i even better at sleep because i tend to be working late or just up late tend to be working late or just up late tend to be working late or just up late because i i worked all day and then i because i i worked all day and then i because i i worked all day and then i want to you know hang want to you know hang want to you know hang and so um sleep is a big one and i to me
1:28and so um sleep is a big one and i to me and so um sleep is a big one and i to me you know with oxygen rally like breath you know with oxygen rally like breath you know with oxygen rally like breath is so foundational like i did is so foundational like i did is so foundational like i did lifestyle coaching dietary stuff you lifestyle coaching dietary stuff you lifestyle coaching dietary stuff you know helping people with that know helping people with that know helping people with that but everyone breathes and oxygen is so but everyone breathes and oxygen is so but everyone breathes and oxygen is so fundamental to fundamental to fundamental to aerobic life and we're all aerobic aerobic life and we're all aerobic aerobic life and we're all aerobic organisms right organisms right organisms right and so to me focusing on breath and so to me focusing on breath and so to me focusing on breath focusing on sleep those are kind of the focusing on sleep those are kind of the focusing on sleep those are kind of the foundations that i really focus on and i foundations that i really focus on and i foundations that i really focus on and i i i dabble in a lot of other stuff yeah um dabble in a lot of other stuff yeah um dabble in a lot of other stuff yeah um you know i did a lot of fasting and but you know i did a lot of fasting and but you know i did a lot of fasting and but that's not something i do now like i eat that's not something i do now like i eat that's not something i do now like i eat breakfast breakfast breakfast every single day right now wow it's like every single day right now wow it's like every single day right now wow it's like i just i just i just and i'm training differently and it and i'm training differently and it and i'm training differently and it hasn't changed my body composition like hasn't changed my body composition like hasn't changed my body composition like like people do things for all different like people do things for all different like people do things for all different reasons but like yeah if i'm trying to reasons but like yeah if i'm trying to reasons but like yeah if i'm trying to get fit like get fit like get fit like for me it's like if i fasted i was for me it's like if i fasted i was for me it's like if i fasted i was eating the calories later and it didn't eating the calories later and it didn't eating the calories later and it didn't really really it didn't really matter yeah and so it's it didn't really matter yeah and so it's it didn't really matter yeah and so it's like hey let's get up and have some like hey let's get up and have some like hey let's get up and have some protein protein protein and like make that a regular thing see and like make that a regular thing see and like make that a regular thing see how that treats me and how that treats me and how that treats me and if i'm gonna fast it usually is an early
1:29if i'm gonna fast it usually is an early if i'm gonna fast it usually is an early dinner dinner dinner and then i let that yeah so like because and then i let that yeah so like because and then i let that yeah so like because i usually i'm i usually i'm i usually i'm i'm hungry when i get up and yeah and i i'm hungry when i get up and yeah and i i'm hungry when i get up and yeah and i i feel i think i feel better i feel i think i feel better i feel i think i feel better when just eating more regularly for me when just eating more regularly for me when just eating more regularly for me it's more just the it's more just the it's more just the foundation of it is like hey give it a foundation of it is like hey give it a foundation of it is like hey give it a like 12 hour rest you know like 12 hour rest you know like 12 hour rest you know yeah but even sometimes i'm not doing yeah but even sometimes i'm not doing yeah but even sometimes i'm not doing that i try to that i try to that i try to as much as i can but you're doing what as much as i can but you're doing what as much as i can but you're doing what works for you which i love works for you which i love works for you which i love you know and you're constantly aware of you know and you're constantly aware of you know and you're constantly aware of it so there's no pressure like you said it so there's no pressure like you said it so there's no pressure like you said it's not like it's not like it's not like are you performing are you training it's are you performing are you training it's are you performing are you training it's like i have the you have the luxury to like i have the you have the luxury to like i have the you have the luxury to like like test and retest and you're not going to test and retest and you're not going to test and retest and you're not going to be in the next competition be in the next competition be in the next competition two weeks from now or two months from two weeks from now or two months from two weeks from now or two months from now so it's like okay let's yeah now so it's like okay let's yeah now so it's like okay let's yeah life is a journey let's just we go life is a journey let's just we go life is a journey let's just we go through evolutions i feel like you know through evolutions i feel like you know through evolutions i feel like you know and some and some and some now the evolution for you is protein in now the evolution for you is protein in now the evolution for you is protein in the morning maybe it won't be in the morning maybe it won't be in the morning maybe it won't be in next year you know i don't know so and next year you know i don't know so and next year you know i don't know so and i've loved that and i've thought i've loved that and i've thought i've loved that and i've thought even recently like all right let's let's even recently like all right let's let's even recently like all right let's let's do intermittent fasting again do intermittent fasting again do intermittent fasting again because i did enjoy like aspects of that because i did enjoy like aspects of that because i did enjoy like aspects of that um um um but like i just retested myself with the
1:30but like i just retested myself with the but like i just retested myself with the metabolic test and it was like metabolic test and it was like metabolic test and it was like even more than when i was cycling like even more than when i was cycling like even more than when i was cycling like mount diablo training mount diablo training mount diablo training extended training all the time like my extended training all the time like my extended training all the time like my vo2 max has continued to vo2 max has continued to vo2 max has continued to increase i'm training less i'm doing increase i'm training less i'm doing increase i'm training less i'm doing more kettlebell stuff more kettlebell stuff more kettlebell stuff like i'm doing more strength focus but like i'm doing more strength focus but like i'm doing more strength focus but like like i increased my vo2 max significantly and i increased my vo2 max significantly and i increased my vo2 max significantly and i've actually been kind of like i've actually been kind of like i've actually been kind of like geez like i'm not training as much like geez like i'm not training as much like geez like i'm not training as much like i'm not doing as many sessions here i'm not doing as many sessions here i'm not doing as many sessions here um i'm still you know a couple times a um i'm still you know a couple times a um i'm still you know a couple times a week maybe week maybe week maybe but it's like not before i was like four but it's like not before i was like four but it's like not before i was like four or five days a week and i was like or five days a week and i was like or five days a week and i was like and i love it but it's like hey i'm and i love it but it's like hey i'm and i love it but it's like hey i'm focusing on kettlebell stuff focusing on kettlebell stuff focusing on kettlebell stuff some upper body strength and it's like some upper body strength and it's like some upper body strength and it's like it's cool to see that my progress it's cool to see that my progress it's cool to see that my progress is still like that's probably what i is still like that's probably what i is still like that's probably what i needed yeah you know needed yeah you know needed yeah you know and so it's it's just shifting and just and so it's it's just shifting and just and so it's it's just shifting and just trying to stay interested trying to stay interested trying to stay interested in in what i'm doing with for activity in in what i'm doing with for activity in in what i'm doing with for activity but but in life as well so yeah love it man yeah in life as well so yeah love it man yeah in life as well so yeah love it man yeah last but not least where can people find last but not least where can people find last but not least where can people find you you um oxygenrally.com uh is my website um oxygenrally.com uh is my website um oxygenrally.com uh is my website um i'm located at the human optimization
1:31um i'm located at the human optimization um i'm located at the human optimization center so center so center so um hocwc.com um hocwc.com um hocwc.com is where a lot of my stuff is is where a lot of my stuff is is where a lot of my stuff is unfortunately my unfortunately my unfortunately my website is being uh censored by facebook website is being uh censored by facebook website is being uh censored by facebook wow on instagram so wow on instagram so wow on instagram so if you try to type oxygenrally.com into if you try to type oxygenrally.com into if you try to type oxygenrally.com into facebook and share it you won't be able facebook and share it you won't be able facebook and share it you won't be able to share it and so i've been to share it and so i've been to share it and so i've been struggling trying to keep figure that struggling trying to keep figure that struggling trying to keep figure that out so if you want to share out so if you want to share out so if you want to share this oxygen rally is a real provocative this oxygen rally is a real provocative this oxygen rally is a real provocative thing that name thing that name thing that name i don't know you know really yeah i'm i don't know you know really yeah i'm i don't know you know really yeah i'm not i don't know if it was the rally not i don't know if it was the rally not i don't know if it was the rally thing thing thing during covid saying hey like a rally is during covid saying hey like a rally is during covid saying hey like a rally is a group of people a group of people a group of people ah gathering or if it was oxygen ah gathering or if it was oxygen ah gathering or if it was oxygen as a training and health tool being as a training and health tool being as a training and health tool being i mean i don't make any health claims on i mean i don't make any health claims on i mean i don't make any health claims on my website so i'm not really sure what's my website so i'm not really sure what's my website so i'm not really sure what's what that and we don't have to go that what that and we don't have to go that what that and we don't have to go that direction but at oxygen rally on direction but at oxygen rally on direction but at oxygen rally on instagram instagram instagram at breathlab.io on instagram at breathlab.io on instagram at breathlab.io on instagram um are the two outlets there but you can um are the two outlets there but you can um are the two outlets there but you can find me at oxygenrally.com
1:32find me at oxygenrally.com find me at oxygenrally.com or hocwc.com nice and so or hocwc.com nice and so or hocwc.com nice and so owen monroy yeah owen monroy yeah owen monroy yeah yeah thank you so much for having me yeah thank you so much for having me yeah thank you so much for having me appreciate it brother thank you appreciate it brother thank you appreciate it brother thank you absolutely
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