I tried supplements. I tried therapy. I I tried supplements. I tried therapy. I I tried supplements. I tried therapy. I tried everything I could think of. And I tried everything I could think of. And I tried everything I could think of. And I think I was just in such a such a bad think I was just in such a such a bad think I was just in such a such a bad spot. Like nothing was helping. Hold spot. Like nothing was helping. Hold spot. Like nothing was helping. Hold therapy has been my stabilizer and my therapy has been my stabilizer and my therapy has been my stabilizer and my rock that I know I can kind of lean on rock that I know I can kind of lean on rock that I know I can kind of lean on and depend on. and depend on. and depend on. >> When I was nine, I was diagnosed with >> When I was nine, I was diagnosed with >> When I was nine, I was diagnosed with anxiety, OCD, and Tourette's syndrome. anxiety, OCD, and Tourette's syndrome. anxiety, OCD, and Tourette's syndrome. And those have been things that, you And those have been things that, you And those have been things that, you
interrupted by the feeling he got in the interrupted by the feeling he got in the cold water. cold water. cold water. This is Matt Kyper from Desert Plunge This is Matt Kyper from Desert Plunge This is Matt Kyper from Desert Plunge and better known as Cold Plunge Cam on and better known as Cold Plunge Cam on and better known as Cold Plunge Cam on Instagram. and Edgars Trmanis who has uh Instagram. and Edgars Trmanis who has uh Instagram. and Edgars Trmanis who has uh flown here from Latvia. They're here flown here from Latvia. They're here flown here from Latvia. They're here because they all practice cold plunge because they all practice cold plunge because they all practice cold plunge therapy and they each have a story that therapy and they each have a story that therapy and they each have a story that is going to reveal a pattern about how is going to reveal a pattern about how is going to reveal a pattern about how cold plunge therapy can be used in um in cold plunge therapy can be used in um in cold plunge therapy can be used in um in a way that resolves mental health
had a panic attack. And I'd never had a had a panic attack. And I'd never had a panic attack before. Um, but I remember panic attack before. Um, but I remember panic attack before. Um, but I remember we were going from uh Arizona to Florida we were going from uh Arizona to Florida we were going from uh Arizona to Florida and I cried the entire plane ride. It and I cried the entire plane ride. It and I cried the entire plane ride. It was it was the weirdest thing I'd ever was it was the weirdest thing I'd ever was it was the weirdest thing I'd ever experienced in my life and I didn't know experienced in my life and I didn't know experienced in my life and I didn't know why. Um, and then that just kind of led why. Um, and then that just kind of led why. Um, and then that just kind of led we we ended up we were we ended up going we we ended up we were we ended up going we we ended up we were we ended up going to Ecuador. So we were in the middle of to Ecuador. So we were in the middle of to Ecuador. So we were in the middle of the Amazon rainforest. Um, so very out the Amazon rainforest. Um, so very out the Amazon rainforest. Um, so very out of my comfort zone and um, through that
Um, and I did my first cold plunge in Um, and I did my first cold plunge in Morasco. um funny enough. And um I did Morasco. um funny enough. And um I did Morasco. um funny enough. And um I did two that day and I remember driving home two that day and I remember driving home two that day and I remember driving home and like and like and like that that fog, that cloud, that darkness that that fog, that cloud, that darkness that that fog, that cloud, that darkness that was kind of just hovering over me that was kind of just hovering over me that was kind of just hovering over me like I could see it like it was gone. It like I could see it like it was gone. It like I could see it like it was gone. It wasn't there anymore. Um and I had a wasn't there anymore. Um and I had a wasn't there anymore. Um and I had a sense of humor again. I remember coming sense of humor again. I remember coming sense of humor again. I remember coming home and I was I was actually smiling home and I was I was actually smiling home and I was I was actually smiling and laughing. Um and it was shocking how
on. But um you know just faith um you on. But um you know just faith um you know trusting trusting in God and know trusting trusting in God and know trusting trusting in God and trusting the process that this is uh the trusting the process that this is uh the trusting the process that this is uh the right this was the right decision. Like right this was the right decision. Like right this was the right decision. Like you said I mean I I had it pretty you said I mean I I had it pretty you said I mean I I had it pretty comfortable where I was at. Um and we're comfortable where I was at. Um and we're comfortable where I was at. Um and we're kind of kind of wouldn't say coasting kind of kind of wouldn't say coasting kind of kind of wouldn't say coasting but I kind of knew what the future but I kind of knew what the future but I kind of knew what the future looked like and that to me that's very looked like and that to me that's very looked like and that to me that's very comfortable. I like I like that knowing. comfortable. I like I like that knowing. comfortable. I like I like that knowing. Um but yeah, so this has been kind of a
>> It can be like flipping a switch. at >> It can be like flipping a switch. at least in that moment and you reflect on least in that moment and you reflect on least in that moment and you reflect on yourself. How how can it be so easy for yourself. How how can it be so easy for yourself. How how can it be so easy for me to feel like a different person? It me to feel like a different person? It me to feel like a different person? It sounds like you had one of those sounds like you had one of those sounds like you had one of those experiences on your first go. experiences on your first go. experiences on your first go. >> Yeah, definitely. Um >> Yeah, definitely. Um >> Yeah, definitely. Um it was it was immediate and that's what it was it was immediate and that's what it was it was immediate and that's what I tell people. I mean I might be an I tell people. I mean I might be an I tell people. I mean I might be an extreme case but I think at a minimum extreme case but I think at a minimum extreme case but I think at a minimum you're going to experience the benefits
before I found the cold exposure um you before I found the cold exposure um you know I tried everything. I mean I was know I tried everything. I mean I was know I tried everything. I mean I was still on medication and um I tried still on medication and um I tried still on medication and um I tried therapy. I I tried fixing my diet. I therapy. I I tried fixing my diet. I therapy. I I tried fixing my diet. I tried um a lot more exercise. Um you tried um a lot more exercise. Um you tried um a lot more exercise. Um you know neuro feedback. I've tried all know neuro feedback. I've tried all know neuro feedback. I've tried all sorts of things. And I got to a point sorts of things. And I got to a point sorts of things. And I got to a point where in 2021 where in 2021 where in 2021 my friend reached out. I had a I had a my friend reached out. I had a I had a my friend reached out. I had a I had a buddy come to visit and he he saw I buddy come to visit and he he saw I buddy come to visit and he he saw I lived, you know, yards away from the
Um, I haven't found it yet, but this I know at least when I'm in there, um, know at least when I'm in there, um, know at least when I'm in there, um, I I at least know what it's going to I I at least know what it's going to I I at least know what it's going to feel like in the hours after, and I know feel like in the hours after, and I know feel like in the hours after, and I know that that it feels really good. Um, and that that it feels really good. Um, and that that it feels really good. Um, and and and that winter was, you know, I get and and that winter was, you know, I get and and that winter was, you know, I get emotional talking about it cuz that emotional talking about it cuz that emotional talking about it cuz that winter was really, really hard. Um, but winter was really, really hard. Um, but winter was really, really hard. Um, but I told myself, I was like, I'm going all I told myself, I was like, I'm going all I told myself, I was like, I'm going all winter, you know, I'm not stopping. it's winter, you know, I'm not stopping. it's winter, you know, I'm not stopping. it's going to be this three, four, five days going to be this three, four, five days
to the products and there's a lot of to the products and there's a lot of there's a lot of money to be made. there's a lot of money to be made. there's a lot of money to be made. There's a lot of market share to gain, There's a lot of market share to gain, There's a lot of market share to gain, right? But these are the types of events right? But these are the types of events right? But these are the types of events that that are the most impactful and and that that are the most impactful and and that that are the most impactful and and are going to be the most meaningful for are going to be the most meaningful for are going to be the most meaningful for folks who who want to try and implement folks who who want to try and implement folks who who want to try and implement something like this in the future. and something like this in the future. and something like this in the future. and to figure out what works best for them. to figure out what works best for them. to figure out what works best for them. And so, uh, just really grateful to to And so, uh, just really grateful to to And so, uh, just really grateful to to be here and to be a part of this and
getting in an ice bath. And and it was getting in an ice bath. And and it was almost like just this this uh this almost like just this this uh this almost like just this this uh this thing. I just wanted to get people to to thing. I just wanted to get people to to thing. I just wanted to get people to to see it as a little bit more see it as a little bit more see it as a little bit more approachable. And then from then it was approachable. And then from then it was approachable. And then from then it was I'm just going to start sharing the I'm just going to start sharing the I'm just going to start sharing the mental health side of it and and and not mental health side of it and and and not mental health side of it and and and not necessarily from a scientific point of necessarily from a scientific point of necessarily from a scientific point of view, but from just how it's affected me view, but from just how it's affected me view, but from just how it's affected me and just the struggles that I continue and just the struggles that I continue and just the struggles that I continue to have uh on a dayto-day. and let's
just just savor it just enjoy just just savor it just enjoy these types of things um fully these types of things um fully these types of things um fully >> because of your history as a child. um >> because of your history as a child. um >> because of your history as a child. um you have more familiarity and experience you have more familiarity and experience you have more familiarity and experience with the conventional medicine these with the conventional medicine these with the conventional medicine these institutions of medicine than that or I institutions of medicine than that or I institutions of medicine than that or I at some point you must have gone to your at some point you must have gone to your at some point you must have gone to your doctor or your psychologist and said you doctor or your psychologist and said you doctor or your psychologist and said you know um I think I figured something out know um I think I figured something out know um I think I figured something out uh I found something that's working for uh I found something that's working for uh I found something that's working for me what was their reaction
to to learn how to hold a real strict to to learn how to hold a real strict routine that's going to benefit their routine that's going to benefit their routine that's going to benefit their health. Um, and and and implementing health. Um, and and and implementing health. Um, and and and implementing cold as one of those things for it. But cold as one of those things for it. But cold as one of those things for it. But >> you posted, I think recently, that you >> you posted, I think recently, that you >> you posted, I think recently, that you are now five weeks off all your meds, are now five weeks off all your meds, are now five weeks off all your meds, >> uh, off of clonopin. So the benzoazipene >> uh, off of clonopin. So the benzoazipene >> uh, off of clonopin. So the benzoazipene I'm I'm still on I've worked a little I'm I'm still on I've worked a little I'm I'm still on I've worked a little bit more than halfway off of my SSRI. bit more than halfway off of my SSRI. bit more than halfway off of my SSRI. I've been on SSRI since I was nine uh I've been on SSRI since I was nine uh I've been on SSRI since I was nine uh since the time of diagnosis. So 24
>> Yeah. The first I mean couple things I'd >> Yeah. The first I mean couple things I'd say just to preface. First, I'm not a say just to preface. First, I'm not a say just to preface. First, I'm not a doctor, right? Not a medical doctor, right? Not a medical doctor, right? Not a medical professional. Um and and two, I would professional. Um and and two, I would professional. Um and and two, I would say that this isn't this isn't a say that this isn't this isn't a say that this isn't this isn't a conversation that only applies to a few conversation that only applies to a few conversation that only applies to a few people in the room. Um people in the room. Um people in the room. Um someone you know is on an someone you know is on an someone you know is on an anti-depressant anti-depressant anti-depressant and and and their relationship with that can be good
um 90% of the time is way too fast. And um 90% of the time is way too fast. And the doctors who are who are prescribing the doctors who are who are prescribing the doctors who are who are prescribing the medication the medication the medication know nearly nothing about proper taper know nearly nothing about proper taper know nearly nothing about proper taper protocol off of this medication because protocol off of this medication because protocol off of this medication because they prescribe it in a a doctor's visit they prescribe it in a a doctor's visit they prescribe it in a a doctor's visit that lasts on average less than 15 that lasts on average less than 15 that lasts on average less than 15 minutes in this country but then the minutes in this country but then the minutes in this country but then the process of trying to come off that process of trying to come off that process of trying to come off that medication should take months if not a medication should take months if not a medication should take months if not a year or more. Um, and so it's really
the same thing it's trying different the same thing it's trying different things right you get so desperate you things right you get so desperate you things right you get so desperate you try everything therapy running six times try everything therapy running six times try everything therapy running six times a week you eat better you cut out every a week you eat better you cut out every a week you eat better you cut out every carb there is on this planet of earth carb there is on this planet of earth carb there is on this planet of earth but I want to start this really saying but I want to start this really saying but I want to start this really saying that I'm lucky Like I'm really lucky that I'm lucky Like I'm really lucky that I'm lucky Like I'm really lucky because I have not gone to war. Um, no because I have not gone to war. Um, no because I have not gone to war. Um, no one in my family has any terminal one in my family has any terminal one in my family has any terminal diseases. Everyone is happy. Like I'm diseases. Everyone is happy. Like I'm diseases. Everyone is happy. Like I'm loved like every day. Everyone texted me
work as much as I can but let's visit work as much as I can but let's visit every professional we can to understand every professional we can to understand every professional we can to understand is it a gut problem is it some is it is it a gut problem is it some is it is it a gut problem is it some is it blood work so we proceed to go through blood work so we proceed to go through blood work so we proceed to go through this list of everything uh in therapy. this list of everything uh in therapy. this list of everything uh in therapy. Maybe we resolve some relationship Maybe we resolve some relationship Maybe we resolve some relationship problems I had. But they and then she problems I had. But they and then she problems I had. But they and then she sent me to psychiatrist and psychiatrist sent me to psychiatrist and psychiatrist sent me to psychiatrist and psychiatrist puts me in SSRI that I take for one 1.5 puts me in SSRI that I take for one 1.5 puts me in SSRI that I take for one 1.5 years. I switched to different ones. I years. I switched to different ones. I years. I switched to different ones. I had some sedatives because I kept
uh I have a suicide note and my plan is to either other overdose headache pills to either other overdose headache pills to either other overdose headache pills or drown myself and so I told my parents or drown myself and so I told my parents or drown myself and so I told my parents like go for a jog normal not no one like go for a jog normal not no one like go for a jog normal not no one suspect anything. So, my plan was to run suspect anything. So, my plan was to run suspect anything. So, my plan was to run as far as away I can and just drown as far as away I can and just drown as far as away I can and just drown myself. myself. myself. >> And that was the second lucky moment >> And that was the second lucky moment >> And that was the second lucky moment when my dad noticed the suicide note in when my dad noticed the suicide note in when my dad noticed the suicide note in my bed. And he's like, "Let me run with my bed. And he's like, "Let me run with my bed. And he's like, "Let me run with you." And I'm like, "Ah, shit." You you." And I'm like, "Ah, shit." You
day that you know the Latin winter day that you know the Latin winter starts and the moment I dipped in I'm like a door opens in my head I'm I'm like a door opens in my head I'm I'm like a door opens in my head I'm like what what am I like what what am I like what what am I It's I felt so ashamed of like I don't It's I felt so ashamed of like I don't It's I felt so ashamed of like I don't want to die. Like I want to survive, you want to die. Like I want to survive, you want to die. Like I want to survive, you know? It's like you get that survival know? It's like you get that survival know? It's like you get that survival feeling and like I tell my dad like I'm feeling and like I tell my dad like I'm feeling and like I tell my dad like I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Like I so sorry. I'm so sorry. Like I so sorry. I'm so sorry. Like I didn't want to do that. And you're like, didn't want to do that. And you're like, didn't want to do that. And you're like, "It's okay. Like we'll come back here "It's okay. Like we'll come back here "It's okay. Like we'll come back here
through an adventure. And I'm very happy through an adventure. And I'm very happy to say that now 2 years later I'm to say that now 2 years later I'm to say that now 2 years later I'm finally free of medication. I've tapered finally free of medication. I've tapered finally free of medication. I've tapered off. I'm I'm really wishing Cameron the off. I'm I'm really wishing Cameron the off. I'm I'm really wishing Cameron the same because uh it is it is indeed tough same because uh it is it is indeed tough same because uh it is it is indeed tough and not a lot of people know how to do and not a lot of people know how to do and not a lot of people know how to do it like properly. The knowledge is just it like properly. The knowledge is just it like properly. The knowledge is just not that freely accessible. not that freely accessible. not that freely accessible. And so like I don't mean to turn like And so like I don't mean to turn like And so like I don't mean to turn like after I like similar to Matt I like I after I like similar to Matt I like I after I like similar to Matt I like I couldn't just go back to my regular job
sort of cheering because they can relate sort of cheering because they can relate to your story. How do we reach the to your story. How do we reach the to your story. How do we reach the people who probably aren't watching and people who probably aren't watching and people who probably aren't watching and should be? should be? should be? >> So the number one thing I love about >> So the number one thing I love about >> So the number one thing I love about nature swims is there's always another nature swims is there's always another nature swims is there's always another person on the beach looking at you. And person on the beach looking at you. And person on the beach looking at you. And one of the cool things actually that I one of the cool things actually that I one of the cool things actually that I do love to brag about is uh whenever me do love to brag about is uh whenever me do love to brag about is uh whenever me and my dad and my mom now we go into the and my dad and my mom now we go into the and my dad and my mom now we go into the cold water there like three kids on the
of how to come off because you're right, of how to come off because you're right, Cam, doctors, they don't know. Most Cam, doctors, they don't know. Most Cam, doctors, they don't know. Most doctors tell you you can get on an SSRI doctors tell you you can get on an SSRI doctors tell you you can get on an SSRI and you can stop it anytime you want to and you can stop it anytime you want to and you can stop it anytime you want to and that could kill people. Um, and I and that could kill people. Um, and I and that could kill people. Um, and I also want to say, I mean, there can be a also want to say, I mean, there can be a also want to say, I mean, there can be a time and place for for medications. I time and place for for medications. I time and place for for medications. I think it there's a time and a place think it there's a time and a place think it there's a time and a place where people may need it. Um, but for me where people may need it. Um, but for me where people may need it. Um, but for me it just I couldn't stand it because of it just I couldn't stand it because of it just I couldn't stand it because of the side effects. But, um, that kind of
com comfort zone a little bit, we think com comfort zone a little bit, we think something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong, >> right? So, we become so soft, I think, >> right? So, we become so soft, I think, >> right? So, we become so soft, I think, unfortunately. And I think that's also a unfortunately. And I think that's also a unfortunately. And I think that's also a great segue like what I hear in both of great segue like what I hear in both of great segue like what I hear in both of your speeches about relapses your speeches about relapses your speeches about relapses like many people like they say right ice like many people like they say right ice like many people like they say right ice bathing helped them but we oftent times bathing helped them but we oftent times bathing helped them but we oftent times keep it silent that we had these keep it silent that we had these keep it silent that we had these relapses even after these breakthrough relapses even after these breakthrough relapses even after these breakthrough moments and but what I found really
just helps to to have tools like the just helps to to have tools like the cold water to help you learn the cold water to help you learn the cold water to help you learn the self-awareness piece of what it's like self-awareness piece of what it's like self-awareness piece of what it's like to um you know, just connect more with to um you know, just connect more with to um you know, just connect more with your body. So, your body. So, your body. So, >> and I like how you also you intuit >> and I like how you also you intuit >> and I like how you also you intuit intuitively find this consistency, intuitively find this consistency, intuitively find this consistency, right, that it works for you. And I love right, that it works for you. And I love right, that it works for you. And I love how you know there's this back to nature how you know there's this back to nature how you know there's this back to nature like going back to nature. It's like I like going back to nature. It's like I like going back to nature. It's like I remember that going through this like I
myself into the ice bath every freaking myself into the ice bath every freaking day because I was so afraid. Well, now I day because I was so afraid. Well, now I day because I was so afraid. Well, now I don't have a prostate problem. So, uh, don't have a prostate problem. So, uh, don't have a prostate problem. So, uh, sometimes people will come at me, you sometimes people will come at me, you sometimes people will come at me, you know, I'm a I'm a faculty member at ASU. know, I'm a I'm a faculty member at ASU. know, I'm a I'm a faculty member at ASU. I teach in engineering and I'm a I teach in engineering and I'm a I teach in engineering and I'm a scientist. And I'll go on Instagram or scientist. And I'll go on Instagram or scientist. And I'll go on Instagram or whatever. I'll start talking about the whatever. I'll start talking about the whatever. I'll start talking about the science and they'll say he's just trying science and they'll say he's just trying science and they'll say he's just trying to sell more ice baths. He's not to sell more ice baths. He's not to sell more ice baths. He's not credible. He's conflicted. It's true. I
>> there wasn't really anybody talking >> there wasn't really anybody talking about it. And so I'm trying to think about it. And so I'm trying to think about it. And so I'm trying to think about what's kind of changed. I mean, about what's kind of changed. I mean, about what's kind of changed. I mean, you know, the past two years you got you know, the past two years you got you know, the past two years you got people like that really believe in it people like that really believe in it people like that really believe in it and know why they're doing it and then and know why they're doing it and then and know why they're doing it and then you have people just doing it because you have people just doing it because you have people just doing it because they think it's cool, right? Um, so and they think it's cool, right? Um, so and they think it's cool, right? Um, so and then a lot of the other things that kind then a lot of the other things that kind then a lot of the other things that kind of bother me too is just there's so many of bother me too is just there's so many of bother me too is just there's so many companies like Tom said that are not
established incumbents to kind of own established incumbents to kind of own the space, if that makes sense. the space, if that makes sense. the space, if that makes sense. >> But Kim, what about some of those >> But Kim, what about some of those >> But Kim, what about some of those accounts? Some of them are big accounts? Some of them are big accounts? Some of them are big >> and they'll say, uh, cold plunge is the >> and they'll say, uh, cold plunge is the >> and they'll say, uh, cold plunge is the dumbest thing you can do. Or they say, dumbest thing you can do. Or they say, dumbest thing you can do. Or they say, that guy is going to burn out his that guy is going to burn out his that guy is going to burn out his adrenals and he's going to look like adrenals and he's going to look like adrenals and he's going to look like he's 60 years old before he turns 40. he's 60 years old before he turns 40. he's 60 years old before he turns 40. And like they do they ever come after And like they do they ever come after And like they do they ever come after you on social media like that?
know there's research coming out right know there's research coming out right that's suggesting uh certain amounts of that's suggesting uh certain amounts of that's suggesting uh certain amounts of time certain temperatures that are time certain temperatures that are time certain temperatures that are beneficial for whether it's whether it's beneficial for whether it's whether it's beneficial for whether it's whether it's a metabolic boost or it's a um you know a metabolic boost or it's a um you know a metabolic boost or it's a um you know mental health dopamine increase right I mental health dopamine increase right I mental health dopamine increase right I I think ultimately it comes down to the I think ultimately it comes down to the I think ultimately it comes down to the person um and and it's just just the person um and and it's just just the person um and and it's just just the need to to really learn their their need to to really learn their their need to to really learn their their ability