Varied Not Random 147 Cold Plunge other recovery protocols
00:00all right brother here we go here we go all right brother here we go here we go this is a seasonally appropriate topic I this is a seasonally appropriate topic I this is a seasonally appropriate topic I feel like man it is feel like man it is feel like man it is so this would be for all the listeners so this would be for all the listeners so this would be for all the listeners or viewers a rather I mean they're all or viewers a rather I mean they're all or viewers a rather I mean they're all unscripted but even more unscripted than unscripted but even more unscripted than unscripted but even more unscripted than normal free flowing sort of a normal free flowing sort of a normal free flowing sort of a conversation loose if you conversation loose if you conversation loose if you will this was a question that was sent will this was a question that was sent will this was a question that was sent in maybe via the very not random in maybe via the very not random in maybe via the very not random Instagram account from Julie M she says Instagram account from Julie M she says Instagram account from Julie M she says what about an episode on cold plunging what about an episode on cold plunging what about an episode on cold plunging what are the benefits are the different what are the benefits are the different what are the benefits are the different protocols uh you should follow based protocols uh you should follow based protocols uh you should follow based upon your goals should I plunge before upon your goals should I plunge before upon your goals should I plunge before or after a workout I'd love to hear all or after a workout I'd love to hear all or after a workout I'd love to hear all the details and so we had that one and the details and so we had that one and the details and so we had that one and as we were going back and forth about as we were going back and forth about as we were going back and forth about that it kind of spiraled into a a that it kind of spiraled into a a that it kind of spiraled into a a broader topic which kind of um something broader topic which kind of um something broader topic which kind of um something which caught your attention so maybe you
01:00which caught your attention so maybe you which caught your attention so maybe you can what what did this question get can what what did this question get can what what did this question get rolling around in your brain well Pat I rolling around in your brain well Pat I rolling around in your brain well Pat I think thematically it's uh really drives think thematically it's uh really drives think thematically it's uh really drives back to what I believe you and I tend to back to what I believe you and I tend to back to what I believe you and I tend to land on pretty regularly which is trying land on pretty regularly which is trying land on pretty regularly which is trying to identify what are the big picture to identify what are the big picture to identify what are the big picture elements that are truly going to make a elements that are truly going to make a elements that are truly going to make a difference in an individual's health and difference in an individual's health and difference in an individual's health and fitness and trying to figure out how you fitness and trying to figure out how you fitness and trying to figure out how you can discern if and when adding something can discern if and when adding something can discern if and when adding something on top of that is is going to be uh on top of that is is going to be uh on top of that is is going to be uh worth your time and and effort worth your time and and effort worth your time and and effort um you know I think everybody's only got um you know I think everybody's only got um you know I think everybody's only got so many discipline chips so to speak so many discipline chips so to speak so many discipline chips so to speak that they can play at any one time and that they can play at any one time and that they can play at any one time and in my opinion especially the older and in my opinion especially the older and in my opinion especially the older and you know longer I'm into this stuff like you know longer I'm into this stuff like you know longer I'm into this stuff like I think you have to be a little bit I think you have to be a little bit I think you have to be a little bit selective about when and where you selective about when and where you selective about when and where you choose to uh to spend those and so to choose to uh to spend those and so to choose to uh to spend those and so to get to the immediacy of the question you get to the immediacy of the question you get to the immediacy of the question you know I think cold plunging is one of know I think cold plunging is one of know I think cold plunging is one of those things that I kind of have to those things that I kind of have to those things that I kind of have to laugh because it's really in Vogue right laugh because it's really in Vogue right laugh because it's really in Vogue right now it's been around forever you know now it's been around forever you know now it's been around forever you know like I think the first time I ever did like I think the first time I ever did like I think the first time I ever did did a cold plunge type protocol was man
02:00did a cold plunge type protocol was man did a cold plunge type protocol was man in the early 2000s probably in the early 2000s probably in the early 2000s probably 2003 2004 something like that so this is 2003 2004 something like that so this is 2003 2004 something like that so this is not new and certainly there's many not new and certainly there's many not new and certainly there's many cultures yeah there's many cultures that cultures yeah there's many cultures that cultures yeah there's many cultures that have been doing this for you know have been doing this for you know have been doing this for you know Millennia Millennia Millennia literally uh but it is seeming to be literally uh but it is seeming to be literally uh but it is seeming to be like a pretty invogue thing um there's like a pretty invogue thing um there's like a pretty invogue thing um there's lots of claimed benefits from everything lots of claimed benefits from everything lots of claimed benefits from everything from increased recovery to you know from increased recovery to you know from increased recovery to you know increased fat oxidization to uh better increased fat oxidization to uh better increased fat oxidization to uh better blood flow in blood flow in blood flow in circulation on and on and on and on I circulation on and on and on and on I circulation on and on and on and on I think your mileage will probably vary think your mileage will probably vary think your mileage will probably vary with a lot of those claims um but that with a lot of those claims um but that with a lot of those claims um but that does seem to be the focus of a lot of does seem to be the focus of a lot of does seem to be the focus of a lot of people uh right now people uh right now people uh right now so from if if you're interested in so from if if you're interested in so from if if you're interested in experimenting with it on a pragmatic experimenting with it on a pragmatic experimenting with it on a pragmatic level I would level I would level I would say uh you know add uh try to get to say uh you know add uh try to get to say uh you know add uh try to get to about 10 minutes of exposure a week and about 10 minutes of exposure a week and about 10 minutes of exposure a week and don't do it immediately following your don't do it immediately following your don't do it immediately following your workouts that from what I've heard workouts that from what I've heard workouts that from what I've heard that's not the best idea to do
03:00that's not the best idea to do that's not the best idea to do immediately post-workout uh because you immediately post-workout uh because you immediately post-workout uh because you want the benefit of your workout you want the benefit of your workout you want the benefit of your workout you don't want to shut that down immediately don't want to shut that down immediately don't want to shut that down immediately but that's a pretty Layman's approach but that's a pretty Layman's approach but that's a pretty Layman's approach and that's I I wouldn't take my word for and that's I I wouldn't take my word for and that's I I wouldn't take my word for that I'm certainly no expert on this but that I'm certainly no expert on this but that I'm certainly no expert on this but the broader topic is hey yeah is this the broader topic is hey yeah is this the broader topic is hey yeah is this even really worth your time we can get even really worth your time we can get even really worth your time we can get to the the broader topic for sure you to the the broader topic for sure you to the the broader topic for sure you know we like to plug her podcast every know we like to plug her podcast every know we like to plug her podcast every now and then but but E's podcast of now and then but but E's podcast of now and then but but E's podcast of um the consistency project I almost lost um the consistency project I almost lost um the consistency project I almost lost for a second there I know that she did for a second there I know that she did for a second there I know that she did an episode or two on Cal plunging an episode or two on Cal plunging an episode or two on Cal plunging specifically and you know as she does specifically and you know as she does specifically and you know as she does like read the actual research and all like read the actual research and all like read the actual research and all that so I would recommend if Julie's that so I would recommend if Julie's that so I would recommend if Julie's interested you know Google or find the interested you know Google or find the interested you know Google or find the consistency project you know cold plunge consistency project you know cold plunge consistency project you know cold plunge or ice bath and find there's one or two or ice bath and find there's one or two or ice bath and find there's one or two episodes on that if you really want to episodes on that if you really want to episodes on that if you really want to like nerd out on that in her question like nerd out on that in her question like nerd out on that in her question you know I've you're right it's very you know I've you're right it's very you know I've you're right it's very much in Vogue right now and there are much in Vogue right now and there are much in Vogue right now and there are people that I listen to you know
04:00people that I listen to you know people that I listen to you know podcasters would like to do it and I podcasters would like to do it and I podcasters would like to do it and I think podcasters would have a lot of think podcasters would have a lot of think podcasters would have a lot of influence they're starting to do influence they're starting to do influence they're starting to do something it it catches on like wildfire something it it catches on like wildfire something it it catches on like wildfire but I did I did a little you know but I did I did a little you know but I did I did a little you know research on this as well and the funny research on this as well and the funny research on this as well and the funny thing is well if you want to call just thing is well if you want to call just thing is well if you want to call just poking around Google research but the poking around Google research but the poking around Google research but the funny thing is that I don't want to say funny thing is that I don't want to say funny thing is that I don't want to say there wasn't really a consensus but it there wasn't really a consensus but it there wasn't really a consensus but it was tough to find a consensus there was was tough to find a consensus there was was tough to find a consensus there was some that said you know uh you you don't some that said you know uh you you don't some that said you know uh you you don't want to do it you know before a workout want to do it you know before a workout want to do it you know before a workout or if you do you do it you know first or if you do you do it you know first or if you do you do it you know first thing in the morning make sure several thing in the morning make sure several thing in the morning make sure several hours go by then you're going to work hours go by then you're going to work hours go by then you're going to work out should you do it you know post a out should you do it you know post a out should you do it you know post a just a heavy day session compared to just a heavy day session compared to just a heavy day session compared to like a mixed modality high-intensity like a mixed modality high-intensity like a mixed modality high-intensity sort of a session some had pros and cons sort of a session some had pros and cons sort of a session some had pros and cons to either one of those some had you know to either one of those some had you know to either one of those some had you know depending upon what I read online to depending upon what I read online to depending upon what I read online to what I see on social media with you know what I see on social media with you know what I see on social media with you know people of influence and whatnot some of people of influence and whatnot some of people of influence and whatnot some of the stuff I read online I call it up the stuff I read online I call it up the stuff I read online I call it up real quick I try to save some of the real quick I try to save some of the real quick I try to save some of the pages with regards to like temperature pages with regards to like temperature pages with regards to like temperature said something like uh like
05:00said something like uh like said something like uh like 58° or oh here we go fill your you know 58° or oh here we go fill your you know 58° or oh here we go fill your you know fill your bath with water that's no fill your bath with water that's no fill your bath with water that's no colder do not go colder than 53 degrees colder do not go colder than 53 degrees colder do not go colder than 53 degrees and if you're new to ice baths start at and if you're new to ice baths start at and if you're new to ice baths start at 68 degrees which a lot of people that 68 degrees which a lot of people that 68 degrees which a lot of people that are like hardcore ice baths like you are like hardcore ice baths like you are like hardcore ice baths like you know you'll see on social media they're know you'll see on social media they're know you'll see on social media they're breaking the ice with like a a Viking breaking the ice with like a a Viking breaking the ice with like a a Viking axe or something like that and you know axe or something like that and you know axe or something like that and you know like it's literally like a glacier the like it's literally like a glacier the like it's literally like a glacier the water's in the 30s sort of a degree so water's in the 30s sort of a degree so water's in the 30s sort of a degree so so the crepancy even on temperature that so the crepancy even on temperature that so the crepancy even on temperature that doesn't seem to be any hard and fast doesn't seem to be any hard and fast doesn't seem to be any hard and fast actual like this is the way like there's actual like this is the way like there's actual like this is the way like there's a huge the difference between being in a huge the difference between being in a huge the difference between being in the 30s and being 68 it's a 30 degree the 30s and being 68 it's a 30 degree the 30s and being 68 it's a 30 degree temperature swing you know that's temperature swing you know that's temperature swing you know that's massive there and everything from if massive there and everything from if massive there and everything from if you're in the really cold water you're you're in the really cold water you're you're in the really cold water you're in it for three minutes and then you get in it for three minutes and then you get in it for three minutes and then you get the heck out to it's the colder water the heck out to it's the colder water the heck out to it's the colder water could be up to you know 10 minutes or could be up to you know 10 minutes or could be up to you know 10 minutes or what again depending upon where you look what again depending upon where you look what again depending upon where you look online and how soon it should or online and how soon it should or online and how soon it should or shouldn't be done after your workout shouldn't be done after your workout shouldn't be done after your workout because you know one of the things that
06:00because you know one of the things that because you know one of the things that is both a benefit but then some people is both a benefit but then some people is both a benefit but then some people say to be careful with the benefit is say to be careful with the benefit is say to be careful with the benefit is that it you know it constricts or that it you know it constricts or that it you know it constricts or reduces blood flow to the area and reduces blood flow to the area and reduces blood flow to the area and therefore it helps reduce inflammation therefore it helps reduce inflammation therefore it helps reduce inflammation but then I can find contrary articles but then I can find contrary articles but then I can find contrary articles that are like you know your body's that are like you know your body's that are like you know your body's natural response to a work out that natural response to a work out that natural response to a work out that inflammation is a good thing you want inflammation is a good thing you want inflammation is a good thing you want the blood bringing oxygen and you want the blood bringing oxygen and you want the blood bringing oxygen and you want inflammation there and you don't want to inflammation there and you don't want to inflammation there and you don't want to restrict that so truth be told I feel restrict that so truth be told I feel restrict that so truth be told I feel like if I was to stand here and click on like if I was to stand here and click on like if I was to stand here and click on the microphone and say all right Julie I the microphone and say all right Julie I the microphone and say all right Julie I get the hard and fast answer for you I get the hard and fast answer for you I get the hard and fast answer for you I did a lot of research and it's and it's did a lot of research and it's and it's did a lot of research and it's and it's really clear that this is the way I really clear that this is the way I really clear that this is the way I don't I don't I don't see it you know don't I don't I don't see it you know don't I don't I don't see it you know and maybe that data will come with more and maybe that data will come with more and maybe that data will come with more research but right now as far as Julie's research but right now as far as Julie's research but right now as far as Julie's question goes I can't tell you that I question goes I can't tell you that I question goes I can't tell you that I found a singular protocol that is widely found a singular protocol that is widely found a singular protocol that is widely accepted as the one and that's so take accepted as the one and that's so take accepted as the one and that's so take that for what it's that for what it's that for what it's worth yeah definitely and uh also say worth yeah definitely and uh also say worth yeah definitely and uh also say anecdotally I've messed around with this
07:00anecdotally I've messed around with this anecdotally I've messed around with this sort of thing for a long time and I sort of thing for a long time and I sort of thing for a long time and I enjoy it uh I'll also say in the same enjoy it uh I'll also say in the same enjoy it uh I'll also say in the same sentence that I think so much of it is sentence that I think so much of it is sentence that I think so much of it is performative as you alluded to you know performative as you alluded to you know performative as you alluded to you know you've got recommendations that the you've got recommendations that the you've got recommendations that the water actually doesn't need to be like water actually doesn't need to be like water actually doesn't need to be like crazy cold and yet you know everybody crazy cold and yet you know everybody crazy cold and yet you know everybody these days seems to be taking things to these days seems to be taking things to these days seems to be taking things to such extremes um I think it kind of such extremes um I think it kind of such extremes um I think it kind of Echoes Echoes Echoes the the idea of how much volume the the the idea of how much volume the the the idea of how much volume the average person really needs to train average person really needs to train average person really needs to train with to see progress um you know I think with to see progress um you know I think with to see progress um you know I think you and I are both pretty strong you and I are both pretty strong you and I are both pretty strong proponents that it doesn't need to be proponents that it doesn't need to be proponents that it doesn't need to be crazy uh you know the weekly allowance crazy uh you know the weekly allowance crazy uh you know the weekly allowance for what it actually takes to drive for what it actually takes to drive for what it actually takes to drive somebody's progress is probably a lot somebody's progress is probably a lot somebody's progress is probably a lot less than what most people consider when less than what most people consider when less than what most people consider when they look at the high level uh athlete they look at the high level uh athlete they look at the high level uh athlete um but because there are so many um but because there are so many um but because there are so many prominent voices doing these more prominent voices doing these more prominent voices doing these more extreme things people are convinced that extreme things people are convinced that extreme things people are convinced that that has to be the way for them to that has to be the way for them to that has to be the way for them to receive any benefit and and I think this receive any benefit and and I think this receive any benefit and and I think this is no different um so that's kind of is no different um so that's kind of is no different um so that's kind of interesting but again to get back to it
08:00interesting but again to get back to it interesting but again to get back to it you know I've I've experimented with a you know I've I've experimented with a you know I've I've experimented with a lot of protocols and the most extreme lot of protocols and the most extreme lot of protocols and the most extreme that I did uh was this was several years that I did uh was this was several years that I did uh was this was several years ago it actually started as a challenge ago it actually started as a challenge ago it actually started as a challenge from Pat Barber who called me up one day from Pat Barber who called me up one day from Pat Barber who called me up one day and said hey I'm gonna do a cold shower and said hey I'm gonna do a cold shower and said hey I'm gonna do a cold shower every morning straight out of bed for 30 every morning straight out of bed for 30 every morning straight out of bed for 30 days you want to you want to do it with days you want to you want to do it with days you want to you want to do it with me and I was like okay sure and then I me and I was like okay sure and then I me and I was like okay sure and then I roped David Osorio into doing it with me roped David Osorio into doing it with me roped David Osorio into doing it with me and then the months came and went and he and then the months came and went and he and then the months came and went and he and I you know we had a little little and I you know we had a little little and I you know we had a little little rivalry going and I think he put it out rivalry going and I think he put it out rivalry going and I think he put it out to me he's like I'll I'll keep doing it to me he's like I'll I'll keep doing it to me he's like I'll I'll keep doing it long after you break and I was like game long after you break and I was like game long after you break and I was like game on that's fantastic and so we ended up on that's fantastic and so we ended up on that's fantastic and so we ended up going for way too long I think if memory going for way too long I think if memory going for way too long I think if memory serves I think he he decided to do it serves I think he he decided to do it serves I think he he decided to do it for like a thousand days and I tapped for like a thousand days and I tapped for like a thousand days and I tapped out I think I think it was around 500 out I think I think it was around 500 out I think I think it was around 500 wow you know we're talking a year plus wow you know we're talking a year plus wow you know we're talking a year plus of every day doing a a cold shower uh of every day doing a a cold shower uh of every day doing a a cold shower uh straight out of bed that was the rule straight out of bed that was the rule straight out of bed that was the rule and I guess you're not quite sure what and I guess you're not quite sure what and I guess you're not quite sure what the water temp was and I guess say well the water temp was and I guess say well the water temp was and I guess say well that wasn't full immersion that wasn't full immersion that wasn't full immersion you know cheating bman I guess so but at
09:00you know cheating bman I guess so but at you know cheating bman I guess so but at any rate the point I'm trying to make is any rate the point I'm trying to make is any rate the point I'm trying to make is that as far as like real could put my that as far as like real could put my that as far as like real could put my finger on it you know drivers of finger on it you know drivers of finger on it you know drivers of performance and health I couldn't really performance and health I couldn't really performance and health I couldn't really point to anything significant um as far point to anything significant um as far point to anything significant um as far as maybe the as maybe the as maybe the psychological uh element of finding a psychological uh element of finding a psychological uh element of finding a routine that was difficult and sticking routine that was difficult and sticking routine that was difficult and sticking to it and having the gumption to do that to it and having the gumption to do that to it and having the gumption to do that yeah that was great and I'll also say yeah that was great and I'll also say yeah that was great and I'll also say the the only other thing that the the only other thing that the the only other thing that anecdotally came to mind was that I will anecdotally came to mind was that I will anecdotally came to mind was that I will say that I think there's some nervous say that I think there's some nervous say that I think there's some nervous system regulation that probably occurs system regulation that probably occurs system regulation that probably occurs when you expose yourself to something when you expose yourself to something when you expose yourself to something extreme like that and uh to me I think extreme like that and uh to me I think extreme like that and uh to me I think it's really akin to static stretching in it's really akin to static stretching in it's really akin to static stretching in the sense the sense the sense that you know look if you want to get that you know look if you want to get that you know look if you want to get flexible I think static stretching is a flexible I think static stretching is a flexible I think static stretching is a way I don't think it's particularly way I don't think it's particularly way I don't think it's particularly efficient I think there's more um viable efficient I think there's more um viable efficient I think there's more um viable ways to get you know functionally ways to get you know functionally ways to get you know functionally flexible weightlifting being a great flexible weightlifting being a great flexible weightlifting being a great example you know a little load in those
10:00example you know a little load in those example you know a little load in those positions goes a lot further than just positions goes a lot further than just positions goes a lot further than just kind of sitting there kind of sitting there kind of sitting there passively however um static stretching passively however um static stretching passively however um static stretching is wonderful for kind of re uh is wonderful for kind of re uh is wonderful for kind of re uh regulating your nervous system regulating your nervous system regulating your nervous system especially kind of downregulating it especially kind of downregulating it especially kind of downregulating it after intense activity or you know even after intense activity or you know even after intense activity or you know even if you're just kind of feeling if you're just kind of feeling if you're just kind of feeling frazzled um in the same way I found that frazzled um in the same way I found that frazzled um in the same way I found that kind of cold water exposure to do that kind of cold water exposure to do that kind of cold water exposure to do that for me it could kind of just keep the for me it could kind of just keep the for me it could kind of just keep the nervous system a little bit more nervous system a little bit more nervous system a little bit more regulated whether you're feeling low regulated whether you're feeling low regulated whether you're feeling low that morning you got up obviously it's that morning you got up obviously it's that morning you got up obviously it's going to blast you and kind of bring you going to blast you and kind of bring you going to blast you and kind of bring you back up or if you're feeling a little back up or if you're feeling a little back up or if you're feeling a little anxious you know it could kind of anxious you know it could kind of anxious you know it could kind of regulate that way too so that was regulate that way too so that was regulate that way too so that was something that I noticed as a as an something that I noticed as a as an something that I noticed as a as an anecdotal thing but again I wouldn't say anecdotal thing but again I wouldn't say anecdotal thing but again I wouldn't say that that was anything conclusive and that that was anything conclusive and that that was anything conclusive and when I when I when I stopped after you know a very very long stopped after you know a very very long stopped after you know a very very long time of doing this every day um I I time of doing this every day um I I time of doing this every day um I I didn't notice any significant relapse didn't notice any significant relapse didn't notice any significant relapse well you know that's interesting because well you know that's interesting because well you know that's interesting because you know some of the stuff that I found
11:00you know some of the stuff that I found you know some of the stuff that I found as well I was at least happy that they as well I was at least happy that they as well I was at least happy that they tried to understand the difference tried to understand the difference tried to understand the difference between facts and opinions because you between facts and opinions because you between facts and opinions because you know some things they said it definitely know some things they said it definitely know some things they said it definitely curs which makes sense it certainly curs which makes sense it certainly curs which makes sense it certainly reduces your core temperature it reduces your core temperature it reduces your core temperature it certainly can ease muscle soreness but certainly can ease muscle soreness but certainly can ease muscle soreness but then it Ed words like May which I like then it Ed words like May which I like then it Ed words like May which I like they said it may help some people focus they said it may help some people focus they said it may help some people focus it may help some people sleep better so it may help some people sleep better so it may help some people sleep better so these are probably just claims that these are probably just claims that these are probably just claims that people feel like are happening and people feel like are happening and people feel like are happening and actually may be occurring but they actually may be occurring but they actually may be occurring but they weren't able to conclusively say that weren't able to conclusively say that weren't able to conclusively say that this this led to that and yep so I like this this led to that and yep so I like this this led to that and yep so I like I at least appreciate the fact they I at least appreciate the fact they I at least appreciate the fact they would say may every now and then you would say may every now and then you would say may every now and then you know I well I've never done any coal know I well I've never done any coal know I well I've never done any coal plunges like after a workout or stuff plunges like after a workout or stuff plunges like after a workout or stuff like that you know but you know there is like that you know but you know there is like that you know but you know there is something to Doing Hard uncomfortable something to Doing Hard uncomfortable something to Doing Hard uncomfortable things on a regular basis to whether we things on a regular basis to whether we things on a regular basis to whether we would say it build character grid like would say it build character grid like would say it build character grid like there is something to that and there is something to that and there is something to that and especially if those hard things that
12:00especially if those hard things that especially if those hard things that you're doing are voluntary if you you're doing are voluntary if you you're doing are voluntary if you voluntarily have the discipline on a voluntarily have the discipline on a voluntarily have the discipline on a regular basis to do something that you regular basis to do something that you regular basis to do something that you find uncomfortable or unpleasant and you find uncomfortable or unpleasant and you find uncomfortable or unpleasant and you do it there is actual benefit there do it there is actual benefit there do it there is actual benefit there regardless of some of the other things regardless of some of the other things regardless of some of the other things you know I think I and I would buy that you know I think I and I would buy that you know I think I and I would buy that I will also say just from a personal I will also say just from a personal I will also say just from a personal anecdotal story you know as a former uh anecdotal story you know as a former uh anecdotal story you know as a former uh you know as a former seal you know too you know as a former seal you know too you know as a former seal you know too much cold water my life if somebody much cold water my life if somebody much cold water my life if somebody could conclusively conclusively prove to could conclusively conclusively prove to could conclusively conclusively prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that a me beyond a shadow of a doubt that a me beyond a shadow of a doubt that a daily cold plunge would add five quality daily cold plunge would add five quality daily cold plunge would add five quality years to my life increase on my lifts by years to my life increase on my lifts by years to my life increase on my lifts by 20% I wouldn't consider doing it for two 20% I wouldn't consider doing it for two 20% I wouldn't consider doing it for two seconds not at all I seconds not at all I seconds not at all I mean nope not even remotely um you can mean nope not even remotely um you can mean nope not even remotely um you can get me in that water gunpoint probably get me in that water gunpoint probably get me in that water gunpoint probably but what's interesting is back when that but what's interesting is back when that but what's interesting is back when that was like a part of my regular life like was like a part of my regular life like was like a part of my regular life like going into cold water I will say you going into cold water I will say you going into cold water I will say you know doing voluntarily hard know doing voluntarily hard know doing voluntarily hard things um you know I was I was around a things um you know I was I was around a
13:00things um you know I was I was around a lot of hard individuals and and it's and lot of hard individuals and and it's and lot of hard individuals and and it's and it's funny I look back now at like it's funny I look back now at like it's funny I look back now at like regardless of temperature or conditions regardless of temperature or conditions regardless of temperature or conditions or whatnot of myself and the rest of us or whatnot of myself and the rest of us or whatnot of myself and the rest of us you know we're at the point mentally you know we're at the point mentally you know we're at the point mentally where we could just walk into the water where we could just walk into the water where we could just walk into the water and it didn't matter you know and that and it didn't matter you know and that and it didn't matter you know and that is a special sort of hardness you know is a special sort of hardness you know is a special sort of hardness you know mental hardness quite frankly which mental hardness quite frankly which mental hardness quite frankly which these days you know sh getting into a these days you know sh getting into a these days you know sh getting into a Jacuzzi I don't want any part of it you Jacuzzi I don't want any part of it you Jacuzzi I don't want any part of it you know and so I think there is something know and so I think there is something know and so I think there is something to that um you know that that mental to that um you know that that mental to that um you know that that mental grind and exposure yourself to that but grind and exposure yourself to that but grind and exposure yourself to that but I don't know if it needs to be you know I don't know if it needs to be you know I don't know if it needs to be you know cold water or if what people are cold water or if what people are cold water or if what people are purporting cold water does if it purporting cold water does if it purporting cold water does if it actually gives all those benefits for me actually gives all those benefits for me actually gives all those benefits for me it's kind of yet to be determined even it's kind of yet to be determined even it's kind of yet to be determined even though I know there's some very uh vocal though I know there's some very uh vocal though I know there's some very uh vocal well-educated well credential well-educated well credential well-educated well credential individuals that are are shouting its individuals that are are shouting its individuals that are are shouting its benefits from the rooftops I still don't benefits from the rooftops I still don't benefits from the rooftops I still don't I think it's not as much fact as I think it's not as much fact as I think it's not as much fact as is everything makes it seem like it's is everything makes it seem like it's is everything makes it seem like it's fact but I think there's more anecdotal fact but I think there's more anecdotal fact but I think there's more anecdotal toal and less fact than some of those um
14:00toal and less fact than some of those um toal and less fact than some of those um than some of those claims would actually than some of those claims would actually than some of those claims would actually be found out to be yeah two things that be found out to be yeah two things that be found out to be yeah two things that you kind of jogg my my thinking around you kind of jogg my my thinking around you kind of jogg my my thinking around you know having that act of hard you know having that act of hard you know having that act of hard discipline I agree that sometimes in discipline I agree that sometimes in discipline I agree that sometimes in with certain Personalities in particular with certain Personalities in particular with certain Personalities in particular having something like that that you're having something like that that you're having something like that that you're going to commit to and just do it it can going to commit to and just do it it can going to commit to and just do it it can spur you to other acts of discipline spur you to other acts of discipline spur you to other acts of discipline elsewhere in your life that's very elsewhere in your life that's very elsewhere in your life that's very possible and the discipline can be possible and the discipline can be possible and the discipline can be contagious yeah so it's like okay I'm to contagious yeah so it's like okay I'm to contagious yeah so it's like okay I'm to commit to waking up early and exposing commit to waking up early and exposing commit to waking up early and exposing myself to this really unpleasant thing myself to this really unpleasant thing myself to this really unpleasant thing that can kind of spur you to do other that can kind of spur you to do other that can kind of spur you to do other things that require some discipline things that require some discipline things that require some discipline that's true for some people it's also that's true for some people it's also that's true for some people it's also goes the other way though where you may goes the other way though where you may goes the other way though where you may have some people that you know they're have some people that you know they're have some people that you know they're they're going to do that and it's going they're going to do that and it's going they're going to do that and it's going to dissuade them from other maybe more to dissuade them from other maybe more to dissuade them from other maybe more important elements in their life it's important elements in their life it's important elements in their life it's like well I checked the box I got up and like well I checked the box I got up and like well I checked the box I got up and I did this thing it was terrible so yeah I did this thing it was terrible so yeah I did this thing it was terrible so yeah maybe I do deserve like a hot cocoa a maybe I do deserve like a hot cocoa a maybe I do deserve like a hot cocoa a little bit later you know what I mean little bit later you know what I mean little bit later you know what I mean kind comes self-defeating so right
15:00kind comes self-defeating so right kind comes self-defeating so right there's a there's a certain element of there's a there's a certain element of there's a there's a certain element of self- knowledge there that you kind of self- knowledge there that you kind of self- knowledge there that you kind of have to understand um and then the have to understand um and then the have to understand um and then the second thing you said there was just second thing you said there was just second thing you said there was just around the the nature of the the around the the nature of the the around the the nature of the the benefits or the purported benefits um benefits or the purported benefits um benefits or the purported benefits um you know number one you're saying like you know number one you're saying like you know number one you're saying like Okay yeah you you did build up this Okay yeah you you did build up this Okay yeah you you did build up this tolerance but now there's no way that tolerance but now there's no way that tolerance but now there's no way that you're going to want to go through that you're going to want to go through that you're going to want to go through that in order to you know maybe achieve in order to you know maybe achieve in order to you know maybe achieve something or get some benefit on the something or get some benefit on the something or get some benefit on the other side it's almost like we're other side it's almost like we're other side it's almost like we're talking about earlier you spent those talking about earlier you spent those talking about earlier you spent those chips up front and now there's no more chips up front and now there's no more chips up front and now there's no more of those chips to SP no interest in it of those chips to SP no interest in it of those chips to SP no interest in it whatsoever none and that's not a great whatsoever none and that's not a great whatsoever none and that's not a great game to play if you're thinking about game to play if you're thinking about game to play if you're thinking about the rest of your life right so right you the rest of your life right so right you the rest of your life right so right you have to consider that to some degree um have to consider that to some degree um have to consider that to some degree um and then the other thing that is kind of and then the other thing that is kind of and then the other thing that is kind of an offsho of that which I think is so an offsho of that which I think is so an offsho of that which I think is so popular these days uh with so many popular these days uh with so many popular these days uh with so many things is that you may find some Niche things is that you may find some Niche things is that you may find some Niche thing that becomes your thing and that's thing that becomes your thing and that's thing that becomes your thing and that's fine I think the problem though is when fine I think the problem though is when fine I think the problem though is when people find a niche thing that becomes
16:00people find a niche thing that becomes people find a niche thing that becomes their thing is they try to post Haw their thing is they try to post Haw their thing is they try to post Haw rationalize why it is so important to rationalize why it is so important to rationalize why it is so important to continue doing and what the proced what continue doing and what the proced what continue doing and what the proced what the benefits are because of this thing the benefits are because of this thing the benefits are because of this thing whether or not it's actually a whether or not it's actually a whether or not it's actually a GameChanger whether or not it's actually GameChanger whether or not it's actually GameChanger whether or not it's actually something critical that needs to be something critical that needs to be something critical that needs to be included in your included in your included in your routine uh is is secondary it's like the routine uh is is secondary it's like the routine uh is is secondary it's like the proving Factor needs to be important so proving Factor needs to be important so proving Factor needs to be important so somebody can't just do it because they somebody can't just do it because they somebody can't just do it because they enjoy doing it they have to have some enjoy doing it they have to have some enjoy doing it they have to have some perceived benefit around it and it has perceived benefit around it and it has perceived benefit around it and it has to be quote unquote proven and that's to be quote unquote proven and that's to be quote unquote proven and that's what I think is so interesting around what I think is so interesting around what I think is so interesting around something like cold plunge and again something like cold plunge and again something like cold plunge and again I'll go back to anecdotally one of my I'll go back to anecdotally one of my I'll go back to anecdotally one of my favorite things to do when I'm able to favorite things to do when I'm able to favorite things to do when I'm able to do it is like a traditional Bath House do it is like a traditional Bath House do it is like a traditional Bath House type treatment you know that the type treatment you know that the type treatment you know that the Russians are really good at this the Russians are really good at this the Russians are really good at this the fins the Scandinavians they've all got fins the Scandinavians they've all got fins the Scandinavians they've all got this down they've been doing it forever this down they've been doing it forever this down they've been doing it forever and one of the most Pleasant things to and one of the most Pleasant things to and one of the most Pleasant things to do to end your day is to get really hot do to end your day is to get really hot do to end your day is to get really hot in the sauna go dunk in the cold plunge in the sauna go dunk in the cold plunge in the sauna go dunk in the cold plunge and we're not talking to hang out there and we're not talking to hang out there and we're not talking to hang out there for a tough guy challenge MH dunk for a tough guy challenge MH dunk for a tough guy challenge MH dunk yourself in the cold plunge so you can yourself in the cold plunge so you can yourself in the cold plunge so you can get back in the sauna for a little bit
17:00get back in the sauna for a little bit get back in the sauna for a little bit longer do that a few times you come out longer do that a few times you come out longer do that a few times you come out you feel like a million bucks you're you feel like a million bucks you're you feel like a million bucks you're relaxed and that's all it needs to be it relaxed and that's all it needs to be it relaxed and that's all it needs to be it doesn't need to be the scientifically doesn't need to be the scientifically doesn't need to be the scientifically proven way to optimize health and proven way to optimize health and proven way to optimize health and fitness forever amen it just needs to be fitness forever amen it just needs to be fitness forever amen it just needs to be something that feels good at the end of something that feels good at the end of something that feels good at the end of the day and why isn't that enough you the day and why isn't that enough you the day and why isn't that enough you know so I think one of the true tests know so I think one of the true tests know so I think one of the true tests will be is everybody still doing it in will be is everybody still doing it in will be is everybody still doing it in five years when the when the shine has five years when the when the shine has five years when the when the shine has worn off because if you think back the worn off because if you think back the worn off because if you think back the fins will be Yeah well yeah if you think fins will be Yeah well yeah if you think fins will be Yeah well yeah if you think back and you know somebody might of back and you know somebody might of back and you know somebody might of course be offended if I call it a fat course be offended if I call it a fat course be offended if I call it a fat right but if you think back of whatever right but if you think back of whatever right but if you think back of whatever the right word is fat or things that the right word is fat or things that the right word is fat or things that were invoke at the moment of capture were invoke at the moment of capture were invoke at the moment of capture people's attention there was like people's attention there was like people's attention there was like different phases in Cross it do you different phases in Cross it do you different phases in Cross it do you remember when everyone was covered like remember when everyone was covered like remember when everyone was covered like head to toe compression gear like that head to toe compression gear like that head to toe compression gear like that was the thing for like quite a while was the thing for like quite a while was the thing for like quite a while like it was head to toe long sleeve like it was head to toe long sleeve like it was head to toe long sleeve pants and shirts for every workout pants and shirts for every workout pants and shirts for every workout because you know what that is what was because you know what that is what was because you know what that is what was needed to just maximize performance and needed to just maximize performance and needed to just maximize performance and oh my goodness the benefits are insane I oh my goodness the benefits are insane I oh my goodness the benefits are insane I can't believe I wasn't wearing
18:00can't believe I wasn't wearing can't believe I wasn't wearing compression gear it faded away you know compression gear it faded away you know compression gear it faded away you know so it couldn't have been that amazing so it couldn't have been that amazing so it couldn't have been that amazing for every human being out there or phys for every human being out there or phys for every human being out there or phys tape do you remember when everyone was tape do you remember when everyone was tape do you remember when everyone was covered with every crevice of their body covered with every crevice of their body covered with every crevice of their body in physio tape I mean it was crazy where in physio tape I mean it was crazy where in physio tape I mean it was crazy where did that go if that was absolutely did that go if that was absolutely did that go if that was absolutely revolutionary lifechanging that would it revolutionary lifechanging that would it revolutionary lifechanging that would it would still be happening because who would still be happening because who would still be happening because who wouldn't want a significant bump in wouldn't want a significant bump in wouldn't want a significant bump in everything based upon the compression everything based upon the compression everything based upon the compression gear the physio tape so you know and and gear the physio tape so you know and and gear the physio tape so you know and and the C PL it might be the real deal to be the C PL it might be the real deal to be the C PL it might be the real deal to be quite honest with you everything that quite honest with you everything that quite honest with you everything that I've read and I've listened to plenty of I've read and I've listened to plenty of I've read and I've listened to plenty of podcasts and people that love them um podcasts and people that love them um podcasts and people that love them um I'm not convinced yet it could it very I'm not convinced yet it could it very I'm not convinced yet it could it very well could be but but but we shall see well could be but but but we shall see well could be but but but we shall see and we'll see if it stands the test of and we'll see if it stands the test of and we'll see if it stands the test of time and one of the things that maybe we time and one of the things that maybe we time and one of the things that maybe we could chat about quickly is uh at the could chat about quickly is uh at the could chat about quickly is uh at the beginning of the show before we clicked beginning of the show before we clicked beginning of the show before we clicked on which I think you were you were right on which I think you were you were right on which I think you were you were right on the money that you were going to say on the money that you were going to say on the money that you were going to say Hey you know whether it's um even though Hey you know whether it's um even though Hey you know whether it's um even though we're having fun with this topic like we're having fun with this topic like we're having fun with this topic like you know it's it is a a genuine topic you know it's it is a a genuine topic you know it's it is a a genuine topic whether it's the cold plune whether it's
19:00whether it's the cold plune whether it's whether it's the cold plune whether it's the physio tape whether it's the the physio tape whether it's the the physio tape whether it's the compression gear whether it's the compression gear whether it's the compression gear whether it's the working out with a mouth guard or like working out with a mouth guard or like working out with a mouth guard or like you know whatever it happens to be toe you know whatever it happens to be toe you know whatever it happens to be toe spacers like you name it um before you spacers like you name it um before you spacers like you name it um before you experiment with one of those things and experiment with one of those things and experiment with one of those things and you're going to say that this is what you're going to say that this is what you're going to say that this is what swung my Fitness in a certain direction swung my Fitness in a certain direction swung my Fitness in a certain direction do you have your Basics your do you have your Basics your do you have your Basics your foundational building blocks like foundational building blocks like foundational building blocks like staunchly in place measurable observable staunchly in place measurable observable staunchly in place measurable observable repeatable so when you add something repeatable so when you add something repeatable so when you add something else to the mix you can say this needle else to the mix you can say this needle else to the mix you can say this needle moved this much and I can tell you it moved this much and I can tell you it moved this much and I can tell you it happened because of this and you know happened because of this and you know happened because of this and you know that was something you mentioned before that was something you mentioned before that was something you mentioned before the camera clicked on and I think that the camera clicked on and I think that the camera clicked on and I think that is um a good place for most people to is um a good place for most people to is um a good place for most people to start before they they're like hey start before they they're like hey start before they they're like hey explore where you want to explore but I explore where you want to explore but I explore where you want to explore but I would recommend that the foundation of would recommend that the foundation of would recommend that the foundation of your home is wellb built first yeah your home is wellb built first yeah your home is wellb built first yeah absolutely I think um the way I was absolutely I think um the way I was absolutely I think um the way I was thinking around it was a hierarchy of thinking around it was a hierarchy of thinking around it was a hierarchy of habits you know if you don't have a real habits you know if you don't have a real habits you know if you don't have a real strong hierarchy of habits that involve strong hierarchy of habits that involve strong hierarchy of habits that involve basic uh discipline around working out X
20:00basic uh discipline around working out X basic uh discipline around working out X number of times a week whatever that number of times a week whatever that number of times a week whatever that looks like to you that's you know looks like to you that's you know looks like to you that's you know working and continuing to to bolster working and continuing to to bolster working and continuing to to bolster your progress if that's not in place your progress if that's not in place your progress if that's not in place well then I think a lot of these other well then I think a lot of these other well then I think a lot of these other things are peripheral uh same thing things are peripheral uh same thing things are peripheral uh same thing around basic nutritional habits do you around basic nutritional habits do you around basic nutritional habits do you have a baseline of decent nutrition on a have a baseline of decent nutrition on a have a baseline of decent nutrition on a very regular basis where the opposite is very regular basis where the opposite is very regular basis where the opposite is the exception we're talking once or the exception we're talking once or the exception we're talking once or twice a week maybe you kind of you know twice a week maybe you kind of you know twice a week maybe you kind of you know treat yourself or whatever but if that's treat yourself or whatever but if that's treat yourself or whatever but if that's an everyday thing and you're kind of an everyday thing and you're kind of an everyday thing and you're kind of freewheeling it on your uh nutritional freewheeling it on your uh nutritional freewheeling it on your uh nutritional front well then you know some of these front well then you know some of these front well then you know some of these other things are probably not going to other things are probably not going to other things are probably not going to be as important are you getting to bed be as important are you getting to bed be as important are you getting to bed on time are you uh you know managing on time are you uh you know managing on time are you uh you know managing that into things um you know those are that into things um you know those are that into things um you know those are probably the big three that I think probably the big three that I think probably the big three that I think almost everybody could agree on and if almost everybody could agree on and if almost everybody could agree on and if one of those three is pretty sketchy one of those three is pretty sketchy one of those three is pretty sketchy then I think a lot of these other things then I think a lot of these other things then I think a lot of these other things are going to be not really that are going to be not really that are going to be not really that important so hierarchy of habits I think important so hierarchy of habits I think important so hierarchy of habits I think is a real big one for people to consider is a real big one for people to consider is a real big one for people to consider uh when when when they're you know uh when when when they're you know uh when when when they're you know deciding whether or not they want to add
21:00deciding whether or not they want to add deciding whether or not they want to add something else to the mix um and then something else to the mix um and then something else to the mix um and then again not to dissuade anybody but lay again not to dissuade anybody but lay again not to dissuade anybody but lay that Foundation be really comfortable that Foundation be really comfortable that Foundation be really comfortable with that Foundation have it down pat with that Foundation have it down pat with that Foundation have it down pat know what it's doing for you and then if know what it's doing for you and then if know what it's doing for you and then if you add something to it you can really you add something to it you can really you add something to it you can really make it a a pretty for yourself anyway a make it a a pretty for yourself anyway a make it a a pretty for yourself anyway a pretty darn honest assessment as to you pretty darn honest assessment as to you pretty darn honest assessment as to you know the free time in your day is know the free time in your day is know the free time in your day is precious and if you're going to spend a precious and if you're going to spend a precious and if you're going to spend a certain amount of time doing something certain amount of time doing something certain amount of time doing something else is it moving the needle in a else is it moving the needle in a else is it moving the needle in a meaningful way that you think it's worth meaningful way that you think it's worth meaningful way that you think it's worth that you know that use of your time that you know that use of your time that you know that use of your time energy and all that stuff resources energy and all that stuff resources energy and all that stuff resources money things like that so you have do money things like that so you have do money things like that so you have do that but um yeah if Julie does it I'd be that but um yeah if Julie does it I'd be that but um yeah if Julie does it I'd be curious to hear her her thoughts on it I curious to hear her her thoughts on it I curious to hear her her thoughts on it I would too and and that leads me to kind would too and and that leads me to kind would too and and that leads me to kind of another thing that I think most of another thing that I think most of another thing that I think most people miss when they do adopt something people miss when they do adopt something people miss when they do adopt something new is that they don't go into it with a new is that they don't go into it with a new is that they don't go into it with a clear criteria of what should be clear criteria of what should be clear criteria of what should be assessed so you know if I just pick assessed so you know if I just pick assessed so you know if I just pick something I'm going to ride my something I'm going to ride my something I'm going to ride my motorcycle every day for a month motorcycle every day for a month motorcycle every day for a month and I'm going to determine whether or
22:00and I'm going to determine whether or and I'm going to determine whether or not that thing was actually worth doing not that thing was actually worth doing not that thing was actually worth doing before I start it would be a good idea before I start it would be a good idea before I start it would be a good idea to kind of frame out some things that to kind of frame out some things that to kind of frame out some things that would lead me to a yes or a no and they would lead me to a yes or a no and they would lead me to a yes or a no and they can be pretty rudimentary they don't can be pretty rudimentary they don't can be pretty rudimentary they don't have to be you know costly or overly have to be you know costly or overly have to be you know costly or overly scientific it could be as simple as did scientific it could be as simple as did scientific it could be as simple as did it improve my performance by just the it improve my performance by just the it improve my performance by just the basic workouts I'm doing in the uh in basic workouts I'm doing in the uh in basic workouts I'm doing in the uh in the gym is that like normal stuff moving the gym is that like normal stuff moving the gym is that like normal stuff moving in the right Direction um what what's in the right Direction um what what's in the right Direction um what what's happening on the I hesitate to say the happening on the I hesitate to say the happening on the I hesitate to say the scale but how about the body composition scale but how about the body composition scale but how about the body composition front when I wake up in the morning and front when I wake up in the morning and front when I wake up in the morning and I look in the mirror day after day after I look in the mirror day after day after I look in the mirror day after day after day after day what's the effect there is day after day what's the effect there is day after day what's the effect there is there any effect is it roughly the same there any effect is it roughly the same there any effect is it roughly the same did I you know move positively or did I you know move positively or did I you know move positively or negatively that's another great one and negatively that's another great one and negatively that's another great one and then that you know it could be as simple then that you know it could be as simple then that you know it could be as simple as mood throughout the day so you know as mood throughout the day so you know as mood throughout the day so you know framing something around some simple framing something around some simple framing something around some simple criteria before you start a protocol I criteria before you start a protocol I criteria before you start a protocol I think is really important and that's think is really important and that's think is really important and that's where most people miss the mark and where most people miss the mark and where most people miss the mark and that's you know kind of thinking this
23:00that's you know kind of thinking this that's you know kind of thinking this through one of my earlier points around through one of my earlier points around through one of my earlier points around people have this thing that they decide people have this thing that they decide people have this thing that they decide to do it becomes their Niche and then to do it becomes their Niche and then to do it becomes their Niche and then they start looking for reasons as to why they start looking for reasons as to why they start looking for reasons as to why it's the greatest thing since sliced it's the greatest thing since sliced it's the greatest thing since sliced bread I think that's maybe how that bread I think that's maybe how that bread I think that's maybe how that happens is you don't go in with a clear happens is you don't go in with a clear happens is you don't go in with a clear criteria and it just ends up being criteria and it just ends up being criteria and it just ends up being something that you enjoy for whatever something that you enjoy for whatever something that you enjoy for whatever reason which is valid uh but now you're reason which is valid uh but now you're reason which is valid uh but now you're kind of searching for these strands as kind of searching for these strands as kind of searching for these strands as to why it is so good to why it is so good to why it is so good as opposed to going in with those ideas as opposed to going in with those ideas as opposed to going in with those ideas and proving to yourself that yeah it and proving to yourself that yeah it and proving to yourself that yeah it does make a difference or maybe you does make a difference or maybe you does make a difference or maybe you didn't notice much of a difference but didn't notice much of a difference but didn't notice much of a difference but you just like doing it anyway and maybe you just like doing it anyway and maybe you just like doing it anyway and maybe that's good enough um and I wouldn't that's good enough um and I wouldn't that's good enough um and I wouldn't discount the power that you know what I discount the power that you know what I discount the power that you know what I mean like there are plenty of tasks to mean like there are plenty of tasks to mean like there are plenty of tasks to do within the day that you have to do do within the day that you have to do do within the day that you have to do you don't need to keep adding to that you don't need to keep adding to that you don't need to keep adding to that arbitrarily and if something in there is arbitrarily and if something in there is arbitrarily and if something in there is just like hey I do this just because just like hey I do this just because just like hey I do this just because it's my thing and I enjoy it power to it's my thing and I enjoy it power to it's my thing and I enjoy it power to you mhm and I believe some of the stuff you mhm and I believe some of the stuff you mhm and I believe some of the stuff like for example it might make you sleep like for example it might make you sleep like for example it might make you sleep better anybody who's played around in a
24:00better anybody who's played around in a better anybody who's played around in a cold ocean all day long you sleep like cold ocean all day long you sleep like cold ocean all day long you sleep like the dead that the dead that the dead that night I I can I can follow the bouncing night I I can I can follow the bouncing night I I can I can follow the bouncing ball on that one for sure and I would ball on that one for sure and I would ball on that one for sure and I would and you know Julie didn't say this but I and you know Julie didn't say this but I and you know Julie didn't say this but I would also say if you are a recreational would also say if you are a recreational would also say if you are a recreational crossfitter recreational athlete Fitness crossfitter recreational athlete Fitness crossfitter recreational athlete Fitness Enthusiast which I think most of us are Enthusiast which I think most of us are Enthusiast which I think most of us are and if you are feeling on a regular day and if you are feeling on a regular day and if you are feeling on a regular day so darn sore and so much muscle pain or so darn sore and so much muscle pain or so darn sore and so much muscle pain or aches like a truck hits you that you aches like a truck hits you that you aches like a truck hits you that you feel like the need for like ice B feel like the need for like ice B feel like the need for like ice B because just your body is just like you because just your body is just like you because just your body is just like you put it through the put it through the put it through the ringer that to me and I'm not saying ringer that to me and I'm not saying ringer that to me and I'm not saying this was Julie but that to me' be like this was Julie but that to me' be like this was Julie but that to me' be like let's check out some other things that let's check out some other things that let's check out some other things that you got going on because yep you you you got going on because yep you you you got going on because yep you you shouldn't be walking around feeling like shouldn't be walking around feeling like shouldn't be walking around feeling like that you know either you got to ratchet that you know either you got to ratchet that you know either you got to ratchet down the intensity ratchet down the down the intensity ratchet down the down the intensity ratchet down the volume learn to modulate your intensity volume learn to modulate your intensity volume learn to modulate your intensity take a rest day like you said maybe take a rest day like you said maybe take a rest day like you said maybe you're not maybe you're really short you're not maybe you're really short you're not maybe you're really short changing your sleep maybe you're eating changing your sleep maybe you're eating changing your sleep maybe you're eating nothing but Kit Kats like who knows nothing but Kit Kats like who knows nothing but Kit Kats like who knows what's going on but like something what's going on but like something what's going on but like something there's something there so yeah yeah I there's something there so yeah yeah I there's something there so yeah yeah I would just uh take an honest assessment
25:00would just uh take an honest assessment would just uh take an honest assessment first I'll say too it's funny you know first I'll say too it's funny you know first I'll say too it's funny you know the topic of recovery is kind of the topic of recovery is kind of the topic of recovery is kind of interesting and another one of those interesting and another one of those interesting and another one of those kind of hot buttons these days and I'm kind of hot buttons these days and I'm kind of hot buttons these days and I'm paraphrasing this is something I've paraphrasing this is something I've paraphrasing this is something I've heard over and over and over again from heard over and over and over again from heard over and over and over again from people that are more experienced wiser people that are more experienced wiser people that are more experienced wiser better athletes than me but it's an better athletes than me but it's an better athletes than me but it's an amalgamation of things I've heard over amalgamation of things I've heard over amalgamation of things I've heard over and over and over again and that is and over and over again and that is and over and over again and that is anybody who's truly involved in making anybody who's truly involved in making anybody who's truly involved in making people better physical specimens rarely people better physical specimens rarely people better physical specimens rarely recommend more things to do to recover recommend more things to do to recover recommend more things to do to recover think about that it's not like hey Pat think about that it's not like hey Pat think about that it's not like hey Pat you need to recover more here's a list you need to recover more here's a list you need to recover more here's a list of five more things to do that's of five more things to do that's of five more things to do that's antithetical at its at the jump you know antithetical at its at the jump you know antithetical at its at the jump you know what I mean and so yeah I think that's what I mean and so yeah I think that's what I mean and so yeah I think that's something important to remember too that something important to remember too that something important to remember too that if if recovery is being thrown around as if if recovery is being thrown around as if if recovery is being thrown around as something that needs to be done I think something that needs to be done I think something that needs to be done I think there's probably other places to look there's probably other places to look there's probably other places to look first before you start adding more first before you start adding more first before you start adding more things to the things to the things to the list you know I don't know why I'm list you know I don't know why I'm list you know I don't know why I'm getting this feeling but I'm getting getting this feeling but I'm getting getting this feeling but I'm getting this feeling this is going to be a hot
26:00this feeling this is going to be a hot this feeling this is going to be a hot button topic when we post this I think button topic when we post this I think button topic when we post this I think there's some lines drawn this in I think there's some lines drawn this in I think there's some lines drawn this in I think there's some hardcore some hardcore there's some hardcore some hardcore there's some hardcore some hardcore plungers out there you're gonna hear plungers out there you're gonna hear plungers out there you're gonna hear from the plungers I hey I'm I love it from the plungers I hey I'm I love it from the plungers I hey I'm I love it like listen I don't I I don't mean to uh like listen I don't I I don't mean to uh like listen I don't I I don't mean to uh to downplay the fun that can be had with to downplay the fun that can be had with to downplay the fun that can be had with a little bit of cold water you know what a little bit of cold water you know what a little bit of cold water you know what I mean uh however like I said I think I mean uh however like I said I think I mean uh however like I said I think that sometimes you have to take that for that sometimes you have to take that for that sometimes you have to take that for what it is something I enjoy something what it is something I enjoy something what it is something I enjoy something that I want to do and it can be enough that I want to do and it can be enough that I want to do and it can be enough just to do that um it doesn't need a just to do that um it doesn't need a just to do that um it doesn't need a justification uh in you know some maybe justification uh in you know some maybe justification uh in you know some maybe less than substantiated claim um and less than substantiated claim um and less than substantiated claim um and last thing I kind of want to say on that last thing I kind of want to say on that last thing I kind of want to say on that and and to pull way back and not talk and and to pull way back and not talk and and to pull way back and not talk about cold plunge or any other specific about cold plunge or any other specific about cold plunge or any other specific thing is that I really believe that you thing is that I really believe that you thing is that I really believe that you know regardless of whether you're just know regardless of whether you're just know regardless of whether you're just the average person that wants to be fit the average person that wants to be fit the average person that wants to be fit and healthy whether you're a CrossFit and healthy whether you're a CrossFit and healthy whether you're a CrossFit coach you're an affiliate owner or coach you're an affiliate owner or coach you're an affiliate owner or anywhere along that Spectrum I think anywhere along that Spectrum I think anywhere along that Spectrum I think every individual should take the time
27:00every individual should take the time every individual should take the time and be responsible enough to have a and be responsible enough to have a and be responsible enough to have a personal uh ability to discern whether personal uh ability to discern whether personal uh ability to discern whether or not they want to adopt a certain or not they want to adopt a certain or not they want to adopt a certain something and what I mean by that is you something and what I mean by that is you something and what I mean by that is you know I I don't think it's beyond know I I don't think it's beyond know I I don't think it's beyond anybody's reach to have enough basic anybody's reach to have enough basic anybody's reach to have enough basic nutritional understanding enough basic nutritional understanding enough basic nutritional understanding enough basic exercise and uh and workout exercise and uh and workout exercise and uh and workout understanding um and programming understanding um and programming understanding um and programming understanding to make good decision understanding to make good decision understanding to make good decision about what is actually driving their own about what is actually driving their own about what is actually driving their own personal needle forward and that puts personal needle forward and that puts personal needle forward and that puts you in such a powerful position because you in such a powerful position because you in such a powerful position because we're talking about ice baths today but we're talking about ice baths today but we're talking about ice baths today but a year from now it's going to be a year from now it's going to be a year from now it's going to be something different and 10 years from something different and 10 years from something different and 10 years from now it's going to be something different now it's going to be something different now it's going to be something different and what you need to do you the and what you need to do you the and what you need to do you the individual is to have that basic individual is to have that basic individual is to have that basic knowledge that you can come back to and knowledge that you can come back to and knowledge that you can come back to and you can say no thanks sounds interesting you can say no thanks sounds interesting you can say no thanks sounds interesting but I'm not really there for it because but I'm not really there for it because but I'm not really there for it because I have this Baseline of knowled know I have this Baseline of knowled know I have this Baseline of knowled know that says I I don't really need it look that says I I don't really need it look that says I I don't really need it look I'm doing just fine without it maybe
28:00I'm doing just fine without it maybe I'm doing just fine without it maybe I'll experiment with that down the line I'll experiment with that down the line I'll experiment with that down the line but if you're trying to claim that it's but if you're trying to claim that it's but if you're trying to claim that it's this critical element that I can't do this critical element that I can't do this critical element that I can't do without maybe I'm skeptical because here without maybe I'm skeptical because here without maybe I'm skeptical because here are the Bedrock pieces that I know to be are the Bedrock pieces that I know to be are the Bedrock pieces that I know to be true that I can come back to over and true that I can come back to over and true that I can come back to over and over and over again and that's what I over and over again and that's what I over and over again and that's what I think is really important for all of us think is really important for all of us think is really important for all of us have that ability to discern and have have that ability to discern and have have that ability to discern and have that ability to say okay you know what that ability to say okay you know what that ability to say okay you know what cool I'm glad that this is such a a cool I'm glad that this is such a a cool I'm glad that this is such a a a popular thing right now I and I hope a popular thing right now I and I hope a popular thing right now I and I hope it's truly beneficial for all the people it's truly beneficial for all the people it's truly beneficial for all the people that get fired up on it that's great but that get fired up on it that's great but that get fired up on it that's great but I can say no I can say no I can say no thanks and have no uh you know Mark on thanks and have no uh you know Mark on thanks and have no uh you know Mark on my conscience around like oh man do I my conscience around like oh man do I my conscience around like oh man do I have to be engaging in this because it's have to be engaging in this because it's have to be engaging in this because it's a hot button thing right now I think a hot button thing right now I think a hot button thing right now I think that's really important for people to uh that's really important for people to uh that's really important for people to uh to understand I yep I think that I think to understand I yep I think that I think to understand I yep I think that I think that'll do it so Julie I don't know if that'll do it so Julie I don't know if that'll do it so Julie I don't know if we answered your question to be quite we answered your question to be quite we answered your question to be quite honest with you but it was a it honest with you but it was a it honest with you but it was a it it was a fun segue into a whole bunch of it was a fun segue into a whole bunch of it was a fun segue into a whole bunch of other things and the truth is you know I
29:00other things and the truth is you know I other things and the truth is you know I I did look up and try to figure out like I did look up and try to figure out like I did look up and try to figure out like what are the most agreed upon protocols what are the most agreed upon protocols what are the most agreed upon protocols and there's so many different opinions and there's so many different opinions and there's so many different opinions that I'd be lying to you Julie if I said that I'd be lying to you Julie if I said that I'd be lying to you Julie if I said this is the one so we'll see we'll see this is the one so we'll see we'll see this is the one so we'll see we'll see where this road takes everybody but as where this road takes everybody but as where this road takes everybody but as always hey if you want to help support always hey if you want to help support always hey if you want to help support the show go to very not.com check out the show go to very not.com check out the show go to very not.com check out the Cycles if you're interested in this the Cycles if you're interested in this the Cycles if you're interested in this topic and you have thoughts on cold topic and you have thoughts on cold topic and you have thoughts on cold plunging one way or the other find this plunging one way or the other find this plunging one way or the other find this on the btwb YouTube channel and leave on the btwb YouTube channel and leave on the btwb YouTube channel and leave your thoughts and comments there on this your thoughts and comments there on this your thoughts and comments there on this particular show and then if you have particular show and then if you have particular show and then if you have ideas for a future show or future topic ideas for a future show or future topic ideas for a future show or future topic you can leave them there on the btwb you can leave them there on the btwb you can leave them there on the btwb YouTube channel you can go to very not YouTube channel you can go to very not YouTube channel you can go to very not randoms Instagram account and send a randoms Instagram account and send a randoms Instagram account and send a direct message that way there are there direct message that way there are there direct message that way there are there are ways to make it happen because all are ways to make it happen because all are ways to make it happen because all of you drive the content and we of you drive the content and we of you drive the content and we appreciate it so for Adrien Bosman I'm appreciate it so for Adrien Bosman I'm appreciate it so for Adrien Bosman I'm Pat Sherwood and we'll see you next time