Sauna Talk Jesse Coomer Wrote The Books On Cold Exposure And Breath Work
00:00well here we are and it's getting cold well here we are and it's getting cold i want to welcome you to another episode i want to welcome you to another episode i want to welcome you to another episode of sauna talk and uh of sauna talk and uh of sauna talk and uh really uh really pleased here uh jesse really uh really pleased here uh jesse really uh really pleased here uh jesse jesse coomer comes to us from ohio is jesse coomer comes to us from ohio is jesse coomer comes to us from ohio is that right jesse that right jesse that right jesse actually i'm from indiana but our mutual actually i'm from indiana but our mutual actually i'm from indiana but our mutual friend friend friend louis lambert he is in ohio and he louis lambert he is in ohio and he louis lambert he is in ohio and he recommended that we recommended that we recommended that we meet up so just uh tip of the hat to meet up so just uh tip of the hat to meet up so just uh tip of the hat to louis louis louis and uh but yeah i'm in i'm in indiana so and uh but yeah i'm in i'm in indiana so and uh but yeah i'm in i'm in indiana so about the southern area of indiana here about the southern area of indiana here about the southern area of indiana here in the midwest in the midwest in the midwest right on and um uh jesse you you kind of right on and um uh jesse you you kind of right on and um uh jesse you you kind of uh come to this idea of contrast therapy uh come to this idea of contrast therapy uh come to this idea of contrast therapy you could say you could say you could say maybe i'm coming to to it from the heat maybe i'm coming to to it from the heat maybe i'm coming to to it from the heat and you are coming and you are coming and you are coming to it from the cold um let's go over to it from the cold um let's go over to it from the cold um let's go over yeah let's run yeah let's run yeah let's run the clock yeah yeah the clock yeah yeah the clock yeah yeah let's take that back just a little bit let's take that back just a little bit let's take that back just a little bit and if you would have told me and if you would have told me and if you would have told me you know 10 years ago you know 10 years ago you know 10 years ago hey first of all there's a thing
01:00hey first of all there's a thing hey first of all there's a thing called temperature training right that called temperature training right that called temperature training right that there's there's there's that's even a thing i would have just that's even a thing i would have just that's even a thing i would have just laughed in your face laughed in your face laughed in your face like the idea that you if you put the like the idea that you if you put the like the idea that you if you put the human body into human body into human body into extremes that there can be positives or extremes that there can be positives or extremes that there can be positives or anything just anything at all other than anything just anything at all other than anything just anything at all other than you're shivering or you're sweating you're shivering or you're sweating you're shivering or you're sweating right i would have i would have shake i right i would have i would have shake i right i would have i would have shake i would just would just would just no there's no way but um what happened no there's no way but um what happened no there's no way but um what happened for me for me for me actually just to kind of give you a actually just to kind of give you a actually just to kind of give you a little background on little background on little background on i guess my story i i was a couch potato uh just you know really couch potato uh just you know really just just just i really had a hard time with anxiety i really had a hard time with anxiety i really had a hard time with anxiety and stress and it led me to a lot of and stress and it led me to a lot of and stress and it led me to a lot of a lot of bad things uh drugs alcohol all a lot of bad things uh drugs alcohol all a lot of bad things uh drugs alcohol all these things these things these things i was always seeking comfort and i was always seeking comfort and i was always seeking comfort and this is something that it really just this is something that it really just this is something that it really just kind of kind of kind of dominated my life to try to avoid
02:00dominated my life to try to avoid dominated my life to try to avoid discomfort discomfort discomfort and uh whenever i was in my late 20s and uh whenever i was in my late 20s and uh whenever i was in my late 20s i decided to make a change and i decided to make a change and i decided to make a change and so i realized that no matter how so i realized that no matter how so i realized that no matter how far or how hard you try to run from far or how hard you try to run from far or how hard you try to run from discomfort it's always going to chase discomfort it's always going to chase discomfort it's always going to chase after you after you after you and what i what i always wondered was and what i what i always wondered was and what i what i always wondered was why it is that you know a lot of these why it is that you know a lot of these why it is that you know a lot of these things that cause discomfort are things that cause discomfort are things that cause discomfort are what people encourage me to do like the what people encourage me to do like the what people encourage me to do like the first thing i really first thing i really first thing i really tried was exercise which i tried to tried was exercise which i tried to tried was exercise which i tried to avoid that as much as i could early on avoid that as much as i could early on avoid that as much as i could early on and what you're doing of course you're and what you're doing of course you're and what you're doing of course you're stressing your body and if you stress stressing your body and if you stress stressing your body and if you stress your body your body your body in the right amount you get stronger in the right amount you get stronger in the right amount you get stronger healthier faster all these healthier faster all these healthier faster all these great benefits your cardiovascular great benefits your cardiovascular great benefits your cardiovascular system all these things system all these things system all these things they improve and i they improve and i they improve and i started to do that i started to notice started to do that i started to notice started to do that i started to notice benefits and then i got benefits and then i got benefits and then i got into i tried to get into meditation but into i tried to get into meditation but into i tried to get into meditation but let me tell you i was terrible at it let me tell you i was terrible at it let me tell you i was terrible at it and so and so i started researching
03:00and so and so i started researching and so and so i started researching things you know kind of got into um things you know kind of got into um things you know kind of got into um you know just stumbling on things online you know just stumbling on things online you know just stumbling on things online and i came across an and i came across an and i came across an article and it was called article and it was called article and it was called it was titled learn to influence your it was titled learn to influence your it was titled learn to influence your immune system immune system immune system consciously and i thought consciously and i thought consciously and i thought okay this is just a bunch of woo-woo okay this is just a bunch of woo-woo okay this is just a bunch of woo-woo nonsense and nonsense and nonsense and i of course clicked on it though i of i of course clicked on it though i of i of course clicked on it though i of course i clicked on it because that's course i clicked on it because that's course i clicked on it because that's what i do you know it's like i'm gonna what i do you know it's like i'm gonna what i do you know it's like i'm gonna go ahead and click on it go ahead and click on it go ahead and click on it i'll pass judgment you know i'll i'll pass judgment you know i'll i'll pass judgment you know i'll you know it's it's kind of you know you know it's it's kind of you know you know it's it's kind of you know we're for i don't know if anybody we're for i don't know if anybody we're for i don't know if anybody listening can relate to this but you listening can relate to this but you listening can relate to this but you know sometimes you just kind of have to know sometimes you just kind of have to know sometimes you just kind of have to see the weird side of the internet see the weird side of the internet see the weird side of the internet well well it turned out that there is well well it turned out that there is well well it turned out that there is this guy this guy this guy and they were interviewing him his name and they were interviewing him his name and they were interviewing him his name was wim hof was wim hof was wim hof and he not only was and he not only was and he not only was capable of of enduring capable of of enduring capable of of enduring up almost two hours of straight up almost two hours of straight up almost two hours of straight ice to skin ice bathing but he had gone
04:00ice to skin ice bathing but he had gone ice to skin ice bathing but he had gone to science and he had shown to science and he had shown to science and he had shown that we're capable of influencing our that we're capable of influencing our that we're capable of influencing our autonomic nervous system autonomic nervous system autonomic nervous system and therefore our immune system and therefore our immune system and therefore our immune system this blew my mind and this is what got this blew my mind and this is what got this blew my mind and this is what got me into me into me into these things where okay a cold shower these things where okay a cold shower these things where okay a cold shower an ice bath they're not comfortable an ice bath they're not comfortable an ice bath they're not comfortable but the body the way the body responds but the body the way the body responds but the body the way the body responds is incredible is incredible is incredible and so i started really into the cold and so i started really into the cold and so i started really into the cold that was that's that's been the thing that was that's that's been the thing that was that's that's been the thing that that that it really got me into realizing it really got me into realizing it really got me into realizing that we as human beings need stress that we as human beings need stress that we as human beings need stress we need stressors um obviously you know we need stressors um obviously you know we need stressors um obviously you know i think stress just in general i think stress just in general i think stress just in general um of course we it gets a bad name right um of course we it gets a bad name right um of course we it gets a bad name right because because because we're under chronic stress uh a person we're under chronic stress uh a person we're under chronic stress uh a person goes to work goes to work goes to work they drive to the office they do all they drive to the office they do all they drive to the office they do all these things and
05:00these things and these things and you know we we feel that effect of you know we we feel that effect of you know we we feel that effect of chronic stress in the modern world chronic stress in the modern world chronic stress in the modern world especially because it's just all around especially because it's just all around especially because it's just all around us us us but what what we also know but what what we also know but what what we also know is that there are certain stressors that is that there are certain stressors that is that there are certain stressors that lead to a process called hormesis lead to a process called hormesis lead to a process called hormesis and this is the strange thing about and this is the strange thing about and this is the strange thing about living creatures that if you give a living creatures that if you give a living creatures that if you give a little bit of little bit of little bit of stress or just right right it has to be stress or just right right it has to be stress or just right right it has to be enough enough enough it can't be too much but if you give us it can't be too much but if you give us it can't be too much but if you give us just the right amount of stress just the right amount of stress just the right amount of stress we become stronger and so we become stronger and so we become stronger and so my first foray into that was my first foray into that was my first foray into that was with the cold and with breath work with the cold and with breath work with the cold and with breath work and then i realized well okay um and then i realized well okay um and then i realized well okay um there's these things called saunas and there's these things called saunas and there's these things called saunas and steam rooms out there steam rooms out there steam rooms out there and so i started experimenting with and so i started experimenting with and so i started experimenting with those as well now i haven't gotten as those as well now i haven't gotten as those as well now i haven't gotten as far as far as far as i'm gonna i'm gonna have to ask you some i'm gonna i'm gonna have to ask you some i'm gonna i'm gonna have to ask you some questions because i really questions because i really
06:00questions because i really am interested in i love uh actually just am interested in i love uh actually just am interested in i love uh actually just uh january of this year uh january of this year uh january of this year before all this craziness happened i was before all this craziness happened i was before all this craziness happened i was in uh in uh in uh i was in uh um poland and then i was i was in uh um poland and then i was i was in uh um poland and then i was also in also in also in uh where was that uh uh where was that uh uh where was that uh prague and so especially in prague there prague and so especially in prague there prague and so especially in prague there were all kinds of were all kinds of were all kinds of um saunas everywhere and um saunas everywhere and um saunas everywhere and it was just awesome and and so just it was just awesome and and so just it was just awesome and and so just going back and forth between the sauna going back and forth between the sauna going back and forth between the sauna or in in my case i've got a steam room or in in my case i've got a steam room or in in my case i've got a steam room at the gym that i go to i use that a lot at the gym that i go to i use that a lot at the gym that i go to i use that a lot too so i go back and forth too so i go back and forth too so i go back and forth and you just feel amazing right hey and you just feel amazing right hey and you just feel amazing right hey jesse staying with the chronology back jesse staying with the chronology back jesse staying with the chronology back to that article to that article to that article yeah he wants to uh you know put some yeah he wants to uh you know put some yeah he wants to uh you know put some time stamps on that uh time stamps on that uh time stamps on that uh when about was that that article that when about was that that article that when about was that that article that was yeah that was back in 2014 was yeah that was back in 2014 was yeah that was back in 2014 and at that time you know i know you've and at that time you know i know you've and at that time you know i know you've had wim had wim had wim on your your podcast before and um on your your podcast before and um on your your podcast before and um at that time though you know whim wasn't at that time though you know whim wasn't at that time though you know whim wasn't as as as popular and not as many people had heard
07:00popular and not as many people had heard popular and not as many people had heard of him of him of him and in fact my you know i and in fact my you know i and in fact my you know i the few people that i told because it the few people that i told because it the few people that i told because it was just so weird right it was just this was just so weird right it was just this was just so weird right it was just this thing that thing that thing that you know the average person couldn't you know the average person couldn't you know the average person couldn't really rap i could barely wrap my head really rap i could barely wrap my head really rap i could barely wrap my head around around around and um i you know my wife thought and um i you know my wife thought and um i you know my wife thought is this like some kind of uh internet is this like some kind of uh internet is this like some kind of uh internet cult you're joining or cult you're joining or cult you're joining or you know there's all these weird you you know there's all these weird you you know there's all these weird you know know know attributes to it but i i attributes to it but i i attributes to it but i i stuck with it i i love the fact that stuck with it i i love the fact that stuck with it i i love the fact that there are certain things there are certain things there are certain things that are measurable that are measurable that are measurable about these things cold exposure about these things cold exposure about these things cold exposure there there's certain measurable things there there's certain measurable things there there's certain measurable things about them um about them um about them um and and they're in breath work there are and and they're in breath work there are and and they're in breath work there are certain things that certain things that certain things that over time you can see measured results over time you can see measured results over time you can see measured results and immediately and immediately and immediately obviously you feel right and to obviously you feel right and to obviously you feel right and to interject on that that's what i interject on that that's what i interject on that that's what i i wanted to ask you is so you read the i wanted to ask you is so you read the i wanted to ask you is so you read the article and article and article and just take us briefly through the next
08:00just take us briefly through the next just take us briefly through the next thing after reading the article was it a thing after reading the article was it a thing after reading the article was it a cold shower cold shower cold shower oh yeah did you feel it right away uh oh yeah did you feel it right away uh oh yeah did you feel it right away uh how did you ease yourself how did you ease yourself how did you ease yourself into cold exposure and breath work well into cold exposure and breath work well into cold exposure and breath work well this is this is this is actually i what happened was i actually i what happened was i actually i what happened was i i searched the internet i was like okay i searched the internet i was like okay i searched the internet i was like okay how can i learn how can i learn how can i learn this wim hof method for myself this wim hof method for myself this wim hof method for myself and i found a that actually at that time and i found a that actually at that time and i found a that actually at that time they had just come out with they had just come out with they had just come out with a 10-week internet course that you can a 10-week internet course that you can a 10-week internet course that you can take and you can learn the wim hof take and you can learn the wim hof take and you can learn the wim hof method method method and so i i i was like okay i'm gonna and so i i i was like okay i'm gonna and so i i i was like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna take the plunge we're gonna do i'm gonna take the plunge we're gonna do i'm gonna take the plunge we're gonna do this and so i this and so i this and so i started that um and started that um and started that um and i did the breath work the breath work i did the breath work the breath work i did the breath work the breath work feels amazing feels amazing feels amazing uh you just feel incredible and then i uh you just feel incredible and then i uh you just feel incredible and then i thought to myself well i guess i'm ready thought to myself well i guess i'm ready thought to myself well i guess i'm ready for a cold shower for a cold shower for a cold shower um easy because i did this breath work i um easy because i did this breath work i um easy because i did this breath work i probably won't even notice probably won't even notice probably won't even notice well i walked to the shower
09:00well i walked to the shower well i walked to the shower and it was it's only it's almost and it was it's only it's almost and it was it's only it's almost embarrassing to say this story but embarrassing to say this story but embarrassing to say this story but but i walked to the shower and i turned but i walked to the shower and i turned but i walked to the shower and i turned the knob the knob the knob and as i was turning i said whip off and as i was turning i said whip off and as i was turning i said whip off almost like some kind of incantation or almost like some kind of incantation or almost like some kind of incantation or something like that i was like okay something like that i was like okay something like that i was like okay here's my power here's my power here's my power whim up and i turned it and whim up and i turned it and whim up and i turned it and the cold water hit my skin and the cold water hit my skin and the cold water hit my skin and it was almost like in the cartoons where it was almost like in the cartoons where it was almost like in the cartoons where the skeleton leaves the body the skeleton leaves the body the skeleton leaves the body and i just didn't like the cold at all and i just didn't like the cold at all and i just didn't like the cold at all absolutely hated the cold and um i was absolutely hated the cold and um i was absolutely hated the cold and um i was like okay there's no way like okay there's no way like okay there's no way how is anybody gonna do this and so for how is anybody gonna do this and so for how is anybody gonna do this and so for a long time i just a long time i just a long time i just you know i just did the breath work but you know i just did the breath work but you know i just did the breath work but eventually one day i decided eventually one day i decided eventually one day i decided i've got to get into this um and i've got to get into this um and i've got to get into this um and so i went to the shower one day actually so i went to the shower one day actually so i went to the shower one day actually it was after i had it was after i had it was after i had done some mowing i'd mowed the grass and done some mowing i'd mowed the grass and done some mowing i'd mowed the grass and i i i have always had lifelong allergies my have always had lifelong allergies my have always had lifelong allergies my whole life whole life whole life seasonal allergies all kinds of
10:00seasonal allergies all kinds of seasonal allergies all kinds of allergies allergies allergies and so year-round i normally take and so year-round i normally take and so year-round i normally take medicine but if anybody listens to this medicine but if anybody listens to this medicine but if anybody listens to this you know and you're you know and you're you know and you're you you have allergies a lot of times you you have allergies a lot of times you you have allergies a lot of times even though you're taking medicine even though you're taking medicine even though you're taking medicine you still feel terrible and so i was you still feel terrible and so i was you still feel terrible and so i was just in an awful way and i walked in and just in an awful way and i walked in and just in an awful way and i walked in and i said i'm gonna try this cold shower i said i'm gonna try this cold shower i said i'm gonna try this cold shower thing thing thing and so i went into the shower and i and so i went into the shower and i and so i went into the shower and i started warm started warm started warm and i kind of just slowly went a little and i kind of just slowly went a little and i kind of just slowly went a little bit more cold a little bit more cold bit more cold a little bit more cold bit more cold a little bit more cold and i didn't even get all the way cold and i didn't even get all the way cold and i didn't even get all the way cold that day but i found that day but i found that day but i found my place and i found a place where i was my place and i found a place where i was my place and i found a place where i was uncomfortable uncomfortable uncomfortable but i could tolerate it it wasn't but i could tolerate it it wasn't but i could tolerate it it wasn't and so then the next day i came back and and so then the next day i came back and and so then the next day i came back and the next day i came back the next day i came back the next day i came back and before you know it i'm taking and before you know it i'm taking and before you know it i'm taking completely cold all the way to cold completely cold all the way to cold completely cold all the way to cold showers showers showers the seasons are starting to change i'm the seasons are starting to change i'm the seasons are starting to change i'm getting into getting into getting into the fall before you know it the colder the fall before you know it the colder the fall before you know it the colder the the outside temperatures the colder the the outside temperatures the colder the the outside temperatures the colder the water i could handle
11:00the water i could handle the water i could handle and before you know it i was taking 10 and before you know it i was taking 10 and before you know it i was taking 10 minute cold showers every single day minute cold showers every single day minute cold showers every single day and loving it now and loving it now and loving it now hey so if you go back to that moment and hey so if you go back to that moment and hey so if you go back to that moment and i wanted to get some fresh i wanted to get some fresh i wanted to get some fresh uh insight for those listening who uh insight for those listening who uh insight for those listening who haven't right haven't right haven't right that point yet um and i know you i know that point yet um and i know you i know that point yet um and i know you i know you do a lot of coaching and teaching so you do a lot of coaching and teaching so you do a lot of coaching and teaching so right right right so with that much in your mind share so with that much in your mind share so with that much in your mind share with us in very brief with us in very brief with us in very brief fashion two or three quick tips fashion two or three quick tips fashion two or three quick tips for someone listening here who says yeah for someone listening here who says yeah for someone listening here who says yeah yeah i get it you know this cold thing i yeah i get it you know this cold thing i yeah i get it you know this cold thing i really want to get into it really want to get into it really want to get into it um take us back to that moment what what um take us back to that moment what what um take us back to that moment what what knowing what you know now knowing what you know now knowing what you know now two or three quick tips for newbies uh two or three quick tips for newbies uh two or three quick tips for newbies uh wanting culture exposure okay wanting culture exposure okay wanting culture exposure okay great so my first tip is the very first great so my first tip is the very first great so my first tip is the very first thing and i covered this thing and i covered this thing and i covered this actually in an e-book that i wrote uh actually in an e-book that i wrote uh actually in an e-book that i wrote uh called a practical guide to cole called a practical guide to cole called a practical guide to cole training training training uh but the most important tip that i uh but the most important tip that i uh but the most important tip that i would give everybody is would give everybody is would give everybody is you have to decide right then and there
12:00you have to decide right then and there you have to decide right then and there that you're going to love the cold and i that you're going to love the cold and i that you're going to love the cold and i know that sounds know that sounds know that sounds i know it sounds like a big ask but i know it sounds like a big ask but i know it sounds like a big ask but but you have to decide and because as but you have to decide and because as but you have to decide and because as long as you are resisting the cold as long as you are resisting the cold as long as you are resisting the cold as long as you are long as you are long as you are uh trying to grin and bear it and grit uh trying to grin and bear it and grit uh trying to grin and bear it and grit your teeth and things like that your teeth and things like that your teeth and things like that you're never going to see progress you're never going to see progress you're never going to see progress what's really going to make you see what's really going to make you see what's really going to make you see progress is say progress is say progress is say i am voluntarily doing this because i i am voluntarily doing this because i i am voluntarily doing this because i want to do it so that's tip number one want to do it so that's tip number one want to do it so that's tip number one decide to love the cold um decide to love the cold um decide to love the cold um and then and then the the second tip is and then and then the the second tip is and then and then the the second tip is to always be safe to always be safe to always be safe so so always choose a safe way so so always choose a safe way so so always choose a safe way to experience the cold so for instance to experience the cold so for instance to experience the cold so for instance uh we were just talking before we uh we were just talking before we uh we were just talking before we started recording it started recording it started recording it you you live near a bunch of lakes and you you live near a bunch of lakes and you you live near a bunch of lakes and i would not suggest you know in the i would not suggest you know in the i would not suggest you know in the middle of february middle of february middle of february for a person to go to the middle of a for a person to go to the middle of a for a person to go to the middle of a lake that is frozen over and jump in
13:00lake that is frozen over and jump in lake that is frozen over and jump in without ever trying cold exposure now without ever trying cold exposure now without ever trying cold exposure now you want to try something where you want to try something where you want to try something where you're especially if you're not outside you're especially if you're not outside you're especially if you're not outside a place where a place where a place where you can you can you can adjust that you can you can you can adjust that you can you can you can adjust that temperature if you want to or you can temperature if you want to or you can temperature if you want to or you can just just simply step outside i always recommend simply step outside i always recommend simply step outside i always recommend cold showers cold showers cold showers or cold baths to start but you want to or cold baths to start but you want to or cold baths to start but you want to make sure you're in a safe place because make sure you're in a safe place because make sure you're in a safe place because you are you are you are dealing with a potentially lethal force dealing with a potentially lethal force dealing with a potentially lethal force you know hypothermia is a real thing and you know hypothermia is a real thing and you know hypothermia is a real thing and so so so it's generally not going to be a problem it's generally not going to be a problem it's generally not going to be a problem as long as you just take some steps to as long as you just take some steps to as long as you just take some steps to make it make it make it safe so so always be safe air on the safe so so always be safe air on the safe so so always be safe air on the side of caution side of caution side of caution and then the third one really links back and then the third one really links back and then the third one really links back to the first one to the first one to the first one but i i like to say them separately but i i like to say them separately but i i like to say them separately oftentimes because oftentimes because oftentimes because um when i coach people i i want you to um when i coach people i i want you to um when i coach people i i want you to make make make it into a joyful experience it into a joyful experience it into a joyful experience and one of the things that i really and one of the things that i really and one of the things that i really um and this is not something everybody
14:00um and this is not something everybody um and this is not something everybody intuitively thinks to do because you see intuitively thinks to do because you see intuitively thinks to do because you see the people the people the people meditating in the snow um so so much of meditating in the snow um so so much of meditating in the snow um so so much of the talk around the talk around the talk around cold training and i don't disagree with cold training and i don't disagree with cold training and i don't disagree with it but it but it but but so much of the talk about cold but so much of the talk about cold but so much of the talk about cold training is it is that it's very training is it is that it's very training is it is that it's very meditative very peaceful and serene meditative very peaceful and serene meditative very peaceful and serene and i don't disagree with that however and i don't disagree with that however and i don't disagree with that however it's important i think to make it fun so it's important i think to make it fun so it's important i think to make it fun so i would recommend listening to music i would recommend listening to music i would recommend listening to music um and just something that's enjoyable i um and just something that's enjoyable i um and just something that's enjoyable i and i used to listen to just silly you and i used to listen to just silly you and i used to listen to just silly you know cheesy 80s know cheesy 80s know cheesy 80s rock or you know something that is just rock or you know something that is just rock or you know something that is just kind of fun you know kind of fun you know kind of fun you know sing along and it makes the whole sing along and it makes the whole sing along and it makes the whole experience better because you want to experience better because you want to experience better because you want to basically you're training yourself basically you're training yourself basically you're training yourself to look at the cold in a different way to look at the cold in a different way to look at the cold in a different way and once you do that and once you do that and once you do that you're going to see incredible benefits you're going to see incredible benefits you're going to see incredible benefits because you're going to progress a lot because you're going to progress a lot because you're going to progress a lot more and really more and really more and really 90 percent of cold training is
15:0090 percent of cold training is 90 percent of cold training is psychological psychological psychological yes there is a physical element to it yes there is a physical element to it yes there is a physical element to it that you do need to be careful with that you do need to be careful with that you do need to be careful with but the the biggest thing you're but the the biggest thing you're but the the biggest thing you're training in the cold training in the cold training in the cold is your mind so keep that in is your mind so keep that in is your mind so keep that in right keep that in your mind i guess right keep that in your mind i guess right keep that in your mind i guess there's just to that point right there there's just to that point right there there's just to that point right there uh you know no the point number three uh you know no the point number three uh you know no the point number three make it joyful that's where the make it joyful that's where the make it joyful that's where the community aspect comes in where there's community aspect comes in where there's community aspect comes in where there's this this this camaraderie and you know team effort and camaraderie and you know team effort and camaraderie and you know team effort and coaching like you do coaching like you do coaching like you do uh you know it brings it back it brings uh you know it brings it back it brings uh you know it brings it back it brings it away from that it away from that it away from that one-on-one exchange with the cold and one-on-one exchange with the cold and one-on-one exchange with the cold and more of a more of a more of a you know a collaborative aspect exactly you know a collaborative aspect exactly you know a collaborative aspect exactly and that's that's and that's that's and that's that's just like this podcast right no longer just like this podcast right no longer just like this podcast right no longer is it just one person sitting is it just one person sitting is it just one person sitting and enjoying a sauna or or for me a cold and enjoying a sauna or or for me a cold and enjoying a sauna or or for me a cold bath bath bath if you've got camaraderie you if you've got camaraderie you if you've got camaraderie you you're not just the weirdo who's doing you're not just the weirdo who's doing you're not just the weirdo who's doing this weird thing anymore you this weird thing anymore you this weird thing anymore you i always like to say uh that that
16:00i always like to say uh that that i always like to say uh that that other ice bathers or or any kind of other ice bathers or or any kind of other ice bathers or or any kind of trainer of of this kind right when we're trainer of of this kind right when we're trainer of of this kind right when we're dealing with dealing with dealing with positive stressors that were the kind of positive stressors that were the kind of positive stressors that were the kind of the right kind of weird the right kind of weird the right kind of weird you know it's not necessarily what you know it's not necessarily what you know it's not necessarily what everybody would just first think of everybody would just first think of everybody would just first think of but it's something that when you find but it's something that when you find but it's something that when you find other comrades other comrades other comrades when you find other people it's a lot when you find other people it's a lot when you find other people it's a lot more fun more fun more fun you um you're safer because there's you um you're safer because there's you um you're safer because there's other people other people other people there and so it you know you you do push there and so it you know you you do push there and so it you know you you do push each other each other each other but you also watch out for each other but you also watch out for each other but you also watch out for each other right now man well said right now man well said right now man well said uh staying with the chronology uh take uh staying with the chronology uh take uh staying with the chronology uh take us further us further us further take us a little further so what take us a little further so what take us a little further so what happened happened happened yeah so what happened after that is i yeah so what happened after that is i yeah so what happened after that is i started this online course started this online course started this online course and i really started to see some and i really started to see some and i really started to see some benefits benefits benefits this old online course was 10 weeks long this old online course was 10 weeks long this old online course was 10 weeks long and you know i'm we're talking about and you know i'm we're talking about and you know i'm we're talking about maybe 20 maybe 20 maybe 20 it's early 2015 is when i started it so it's early 2015 is when i started it so it's early 2015 is when i started it so i went that whole i went that whole i went that whole year of 2015 kind of practicing
17:00year of 2015 kind of practicing year of 2015 kind of practicing um wim hof method and trying to um wim hof method and trying to um wim hof method and trying to learn how to meditate and i found that learn how to meditate and i found that learn how to meditate and i found that um um um i was starting to get really interested i was starting to get really interested i was starting to get really interested in breath work in breath work in breath work i started to um examine some pranayama i started to um examine some pranayama i started to um examine some pranayama and some other forms of breath work and and some other forms of breath work and and some other forms of breath work and that helped me with my meditation that helped me with my meditation that helped me with my meditation um and then i got so um and then i got so um and then i got so into this stuff so into it my sister into this stuff so into it my sister into this stuff so into it my sister is a yoga teacher and i told i was is a yoga teacher and i told i was is a yoga teacher and i told i was always telling her hey always telling her hey always telling her hey wim off method went off method and she wim off method went off method and she wim off method went off method and she said well hey why don't you go get said well hey why don't you go get said well hey why don't you go get certified to teach this stuff well certified to teach this stuff well certified to teach this stuff well at the time there was no certification at the time there was no certification at the time there was no certification program there was no way to there were program there was no way to there were program there was no way to there were no instructors no instructors no instructors there was just wim hof and he was over there was just wim hof and he was over there was just wim hof and he was over there in europe there in europe there in europe and uh and so here i am in indiana and and uh and so here i am in indiana and and uh and so here i am in indiana and you know there it was it was kind of a you know there it was it was kind of a you know there it was it was kind of a chance
18:00chance chance happening that i was able to um happening that i was able to um happening that i was able to um learn about the very first ever learn about the very first ever learn about the very first ever certification that he was going to do so certification that he was going to do so certification that he was going to do so i went on a message board i went on a message board i went on a message board and i asked hey if i go to spain because and i asked hey if i go to spain because and i asked hey if i go to spain because he does these uh he does these uh he does these uh these excursions in the the spanish these excursions in the the spanish these excursions in the the spanish pyrenees pyrenees pyrenees i i said if i go to spain and i do one i i said if i go to spain and i do one i i said if i go to spain and i do one of these weeks with him of these weeks with him of these weeks with him is that will that qualify me to is that will that qualify me to is that will that qualify me to teach his program of course it doesn't teach his program of course it doesn't teach his program of course it doesn't but but but but but but fortunately there was a uh an ice fortunately there was a uh an ice fortunately there was a uh an ice swimmer who was swimmer who was swimmer who was european and she said hey guess what european and she said hey guess what european and she said hey guess what sign up for this because sign up for this because sign up for this because he's gonna come over and i was so he's gonna come over and i was so he's gonna come over and i was so excited because he was coming to the excited because he was coming to the excited because he was coming to the united states united states united states and i told all the people i knew and and i told all the people i knew and and i told all the people i knew and everybody was like everybody was like everybody was like what's what's a wim hof and i was like what's what's a wim hof and i was like what's what's a wim hof and i was like of course no one knows no one cares but of course no one knows no one cares but of course no one knows no one cares but i was really happy i was really happy i was really happy so i went out and i trained and this was
19:00so i went out and i trained and this was so i went out and i trained and this was in 2016. in 2016. in 2016. in may i went out to los angeles and i in may i went out to los angeles and i in may i went out to los angeles and i trained trained trained with wim hof in the very first ever with wim hof in the very first ever with wim hof in the very first ever instructor program and i was one of uh instructor program and i was one of uh instructor program and i was one of uh 20 there was about 25 or 27 of us 20 there was about 25 or 27 of us 20 there was about 25 or 27 of us there and we for the very first time i'd there and we for the very first time i'd there and we for the very first time i'd ever ever ever worked with wim and um he uh worked with wim and um he uh worked with wim and um he uh he was just incredible and um he was just incredible and um he was just incredible and um i met a lot of amazing people there as i met a lot of amazing people there as i met a lot of amazing people there as well well well and then um between may of 2016 and then um between may of 2016 and then um between may of 2016 and november of 2016 he he gave us a and november of 2016 he he gave us a and november of 2016 he he gave us a bunch of things to work on he said okay bunch of things to work on he said okay bunch of things to work on he said okay in november we're going to do the master in november we're going to do the master in november we're going to do the master class that's going to be a full class that's going to be a full class that's going to be a full week of just we're going to test you week of just we're going to test you week of just we're going to test you test you test you test you test you test you test you so i took a lot of time to train took an so i took a lot of time to train took an so i took a lot of time to train took an enormous amount of ice baths i was enormous amount of ice baths i was enormous amount of ice baths i was for a while i was taking an ice bath for a while i was taking an ice bath for a while i was taking an ice bath every single day for 10 minutes every single day for 10 minutes every single day for 10 minutes and we're talking temperatures of and we're talking temperatures of and we're talking temperatures of approximately
20:00approximately approximately right around 35 to 40 degrees fahrenheit right around 35 to 40 degrees fahrenheit right around 35 to 40 degrees fahrenheit um and so so very very very um and so so very very very um and so so very very very cold ice baths especially when you cold ice baths especially when you cold ice baths especially when you consider consider consider i know i talked to a lot of athletes who i know i talked to a lot of athletes who i know i talked to a lot of athletes who have taken ice baths as part of their have taken ice baths as part of their have taken ice baths as part of their training regimen training regimen training regimen and maybe they were like well i was in and maybe they were like well i was in and maybe they were like well i was in one for a half hour at one time one for a half hour at one time one for a half hour at one time and oftentimes there's a confusion on and oftentimes there's a confusion on and oftentimes there's a confusion on okay what is an ice bath okay what is an ice bath okay what is an ice bath um and so like an athletic ice bath is um and so like an athletic ice bath is um and so like an athletic ice bath is usually usually usually around 60 degrees fahrenheit maybe as around 60 degrees fahrenheit maybe as around 60 degrees fahrenheit maybe as low as 50 degrees fahrenheit low as 50 degrees fahrenheit low as 50 degrees fahrenheit so we're talking a big difference here so we're talking a big difference here so we're talking a big difference here and so i was training training training and so i was training training training and so i was training training training i uh i started using the steam room i uh i started using the steam room i uh i started using the steam room about this time the gym i i'm an english about this time the gym i i'm an english about this time the gym i i'm an english professor professor professor is my day job and so the gym at the is my day job and so the gym at the is my day job and so the gym at the at the university has a steam room so i at the university has a steam room so i at the university has a steam room so i was like oh this is really great was like oh this is really great was like oh this is really great and so i started doing contrast therapy and so i started doing contrast therapy and so i started doing contrast therapy i started doing a lot of things uh with i started doing a lot of things uh with i started doing a lot of things uh with that and i continue to learn more about
21:00and i continue to learn more about breath work so the way the human breath work so the way the human breath work so the way the human the the way the human body and mind the the way the human body and mind the the way the human body and mind react to to react to to react to to different forms of breathing but in 2016 different forms of breathing but in 2016 different forms of breathing but in 2016 in november in november in november i climbed the mountain barefoot uh i climbed the mountain barefoot uh i climbed the mountain barefoot uh shirtless shirtless shirtless in freezing temperatures out in colorado in freezing temperatures out in colorado in freezing temperatures out in colorado with wim hof with wim hof with wim hof and uh 25 other americans and uh 25 other americans and uh 25 other americans and uh became one of the very first ever and uh became one of the very first ever and uh became one of the very first ever in the world in the world in the world uh wim hof method instructors um and uh wim hof method instructors um and uh wim hof method instructors um and definitely the first definitely the first definitely the first class of american instructors and so class of american instructors and so class of american instructors and so after that after that after that um that week was just amazing um that week was just amazing um that week was just amazing there was one time i mean there was one time i mean there was one time i mean we just had all kinds of different kinds we just had all kinds of different kinds we just had all kinds of different kinds of challenges of challenges of challenges um one time we were told to go into um one time we were told to go into um one time we were told to go into the uh basic a freezing the uh basic a freezing the uh basic a freezing lake i mean the it was so cold that day lake i mean the it was so cold that day lake i mean the it was so cold that day um that whenever we were we took off all um that whenever we were we took off all um that whenever we were we took off all our clothes you know
22:00our clothes you know our clothes you know except for our trunks and bathing suits except for our trunks and bathing suits except for our trunks and bathing suits like like like your feet would stick to the sand on the your feet would stick to the sand on the your feet would stick to the sand on the beach because it was that cold beach because it was that cold beach because it was that cold and so i couldn't wait to get in the and so i couldn't wait to get in the and so i couldn't wait to get in the water because i knew it was warmer water because i knew it was warmer water because i knew it was warmer strangely enough even though it's strangely enough even though it's strangely enough even though it's freezing so we got in the water but freezing so we got in the water but freezing so we got in the water but he didn't tell us how long we were going he didn't tell us how long we were going he didn't tell us how long we were going to be in there he just said get in to be in there he just said get in to be in there he just said get in and so we really had to fall back on our and so we really had to fall back on our and so we really had to fall back on our training training and this is in it this is the whole and this is in it this is the whole and this is in it this is the whole purpose of it you know we had to realize purpose of it you know we had to realize purpose of it you know we had to realize that that we're really capable of a lot more than we're really capable of a lot more than we're really capable of a lot more than we think we are we think we are we think we are and that if we get out of our and that if we get out of our and that if we get out of our thoughts get out of that thinking thoughts get out of that thinking thoughts get out of that thinking problem solving part of our brain problem solving part of our brain problem solving part of our brain and we get into just the more primal and we get into just the more primal and we get into just the more primal parts of our brain parts of our brain parts of our brain the brain stem the lymph system those the brain stem the lymph system those the brain stem the lymph system those are the parts that can are the parts that can are the parts that can really you know really you know really you know keep us alive and of course keep us from keep us alive and of course keep us from keep us alive and of course keep us from freaking out and that's normally what freaking out and that's normally what freaking out and that's normally what the biggest problem is anyway
23:00the biggest problem is anyway the biggest problem is anyway so he got us out and you know so he got us out and you know so he got us out and you know i forget exactly how long there's i forget exactly how long there's i forget exactly how long there's different reports some people different reports some people different reports some people said it was eight minutes some people said it was eight minutes some people said it was eight minutes some people said it was 14 minutes you know said it was 14 minutes you know said it was 14 minutes you know who knows how long it was that's not the who knows how long it was that's not the who knows how long it was that's not the important part but we got out important part but we got out important part but we got out but we couldn't get dressed though so but we couldn't get dressed though so but we couldn't get dressed though so here we were in this freezing here we were in this freezing here we were in this freezing air and of course wind chill started to air and of course wind chill started to air and of course wind chill started to really take effect hands and feet were really take effect hands and feet were really take effect hands and feet were pretty much pretty much pretty much unusable um and unusable um and unusable um and we started you know to do a we started you know to do a we started you know to do a breathing meditation just right then and breathing meditation just right then and breathing meditation just right then and there in this freezing there in this freezing there in this freezing air and um we started doing air and um we started doing air and um we started doing certain breathing techniques to warm the certain breathing techniques to warm the certain breathing techniques to warm the body and body and body and uh eventually we could put on our uh eventually we could put on our uh eventually we could put on our clothes and i will say clothes and i will say clothes and i will say that i was it was to the point where that i was it was to the point where that i was it was to the point where your focus had to be your focus had to be your focus had to be 100 you you couldn't 100 you you couldn't 100 you you couldn't lose that focus because if you did you lose that focus because if you did you lose that focus because if you did you would just i mean would just i mean would just i mean probably pass out we just had so much
24:00probably pass out we just had so much probably pass out we just had so much laser focus laser focus laser focus but we eventually got those shoes on i'm but we eventually got those shoes on i'm but we eventually got those shoes on i'm telling you socks are hard to put on telling you socks are hard to put on telling you socks are hard to put on whenever your feet and your hands don't whenever your feet and your hands don't whenever your feet and your hands don't work work work [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] but basically that that was that was a but basically that that was that was a but basically that that was that was a big crucible and then after that big crucible and then after that big crucible and then after that i went out into the world and started i went out into the world and started i went out into the world and started especially in the midwest especially in the midwest especially in the midwest started to train people in mid started to train people in mid started to train people in mid and in uh wim hof method and in uh wim hof method and in uh wim hof method um and that was just a just an amazing um and that was just a just an amazing um and that was just a just an amazing thing thing fabulous thank you for that story when fabulous thank you for that story when fabulous thank you for that story when did the book come out did the book come out did the book come out uh practical guide to cole training uh practical guide to cole training uh practical guide to cole training so if so fast forward to 2019 so if so fast forward to 2019 so if so fast forward to 2019 so actually almost exactly one year ago so actually almost exactly one year ago so actually almost exactly one year ago i put out my first uh ebook i put out my first uh ebook i put out my first uh ebook and i haven't published it in paperback and i haven't published it in paperback and i haven't published it in paperback form and i've form and i've form and i've got a lot of requests so i may work on got a lot of requests so i may work on got a lot of requests so i may work on that in the near future but that in the near future but that in the near future but um it is available on my website a um it is available on my website a um it is available on my website a practical guide
25:00practical guide practical guide to to cold training and the biggest to to cold training and the biggest to to cold training and the biggest reason for that reason for that reason for that was there are an enormous amount of was there are an enormous amount of was there are an enormous amount of questions that come with call training questions that come with call training questions that come with call training and ideally so and ideally so and ideally so if we're talking ideally you use your if we're talking ideally you use your if we're talking ideally you use your intuition to guide you intuition to guide you intuition to guide you but there's especially here in the west but there's especially here in the west but there's especially here in the west we have i mean there's all sorts of we have i mean there's all sorts of we have i mean there's all sorts of questions we want some kind of guidance questions we want some kind of guidance questions we want some kind of guidance and and i felt like there needed to be and and i felt like there needed to be and and i felt like there needed to be some kind of a some kind of a some kind of a manual something that was first of all manual something that was first of all manual something that was first of all cheaper and more available cheaper and more available cheaper and more available than me right so so when it comes down than me right so so when it comes down than me right so so when it comes down to it for 25 to it for 25 to it for 25 you get my training manual and it's as you get my training manual and it's as you get my training manual and it's as if i'm there if i'm there if i'm there giving you guidance and it's you can go giving you guidance and it's you can go giving you guidance and it's you can go at your own pace at your own pace at your own pace as opposed to you know um as opposed to you know um as opposed to you know um either training with me personally or either training with me personally or either training with me personally or training with me online or training with me online or training with me online or anything that like that you kind of get anything that like that you kind of get anything that like that you kind of get to go on your own pace to go on your own pace to go on your own pace the thing is so often um we the thing is so often um we
26:00the thing is so often um we especially when it comes to the cold we especially when it comes to the cold we especially when it comes to the cold we do need some guidance do need some guidance do need some guidance and we need some kind of okay first of and we need some kind of okay first of and we need some kind of okay first of all all all why am i doing this again and that's one why am i doing this again and that's one why am i doing this again and that's one of the things in the first part of the of the things in the first part of the of the things in the first part of the the the ebook that i cover the the ebook that i cover the the ebook that i cover and i don't go into insane it's not like and i don't go into insane it's not like and i don't go into insane it's not like i'm wanting to write a science book here i'm wanting to write a science book here i'm wanting to write a science book here but there are some incredible benefits but there are some incredible benefits but there are some incredible benefits to training in the cold to training in the cold to training in the cold and a few of them and i cover them i'll and a few of them and i cover them i'll and a few of them and i cover them i'll give you some links give you some links give you some links in in the the ebook as far as some in in the the ebook as far as some in in the the ebook as far as some studies that have been done but one of studies that have been done but one of studies that have been done but one of the biggest one is the biggest one is the biggest one is and of course we all are familiar with and of course we all are familiar with and of course we all are familiar with the cold and how the cold and how the cold and how it's a powerful anti-inflammatory and it's a powerful anti-inflammatory and it's a powerful anti-inflammatory and that's primarily the number one reason that's primarily the number one reason that's primarily the number one reason why most athletes use it why most athletes use it why most athletes use it and this is it's so interesting because and this is it's so interesting because and this is it's so interesting because in in in especially nowadays whenever you know we especially nowadays whenever you know we especially nowadays whenever you know we overuse um the overuse um the overuse um the like things like ibuprofen nsaids like like things like ibuprofen nsaids like like things like ibuprofen nsaids like ibuprofen and advil and naprox and ibuprofen and advil and naprox and ibuprofen and advil and naprox and sodium and things like that sodium and things like that sodium and things like that we overuse these things a lot and
27:00we overuse these things a lot and we overuse these things a lot and there's a lot of negative side effects there's a lot of negative side effects there's a lot of negative side effects and then of course nowadays with um and then of course nowadays with um and then of course nowadays with um addictive opioids and and addictive opioids and and addictive opioids and and drugs it's nice to be able to have drugs it's nice to be able to have drugs it's nice to be able to have something that we can use something that we can use something that we can use that is going to be consistent it's that is going to be consistent it's that is going to be consistent it's going to work every time going to work every time going to work every time and it's not harmful or addictive i mean and it's not harmful or addictive i mean and it's not harmful or addictive i mean it's addictive it's addictive it's addictive in a way right but but but in a way right but but but in a way right but but but cold exposure it's it's kind of it's one cold exposure it's it's kind of it's one cold exposure it's it's kind of it's one of these special things of these special things of these special things that they've shown that um you that they've shown that um you that they've shown that um you your brain will produce norepinephrine your brain will produce norepinephrine your brain will produce norepinephrine in pretty much the exact same way in pretty much the exact same way in pretty much the exact same way for as long as you are in the cold so for as long as you are in the cold so for as long as you are in the cold so for instance for instance for instance you know like for instance if you've you know like for instance if you've you know like for instance if you've taken a a painkiller or some taken a a painkiller or some taken a a painkiller or some some kind of a medicine oftentimes there some kind of a medicine oftentimes there some kind of a medicine oftentimes there is a is a is a law of diminishing returns after a month law of diminishing returns after a month law of diminishing returns after a month after you know x amount of time yes after you know x amount of time yes after you know x amount of time yes you'll get benefits but it's not the you'll get benefits but it's not the you'll get benefits but it's not the same as same as same as as you're gonna have to up the dose or
28:00as you're gonna have to up the dose or as you're gonna have to up the dose or you're gonna you know there's something you're gonna you know there's something you're gonna you know there's something like that's gonna happen like that's gonna happen like that's gonna happen so with cold exposure it's not like that so with cold exposure it's not like that so with cold exposure it's not like that especially when it with regards to especially when it with regards to especially when it with regards to norepinephrine norepinephrine norepinephrine and of course in the states we call it and of course in the states we call it and of course in the states we call it noradrenaline noradrenaline noradrenaline it depends on what paper you're reading it depends on what paper you're reading it depends on what paper you're reading it's the same thing it's the same thing it's the same thing and this chemical in in the brain and this chemical in in the brain and this chemical in in the brain it does a lot of things it it heightens it does a lot of things it it heightens it does a lot of things it it heightens our our our senses and awareness it wakes up our senses and awareness it wakes up our senses and awareness it wakes up our brain quite literally it makes us more brain quite literally it makes us more brain quite literally it makes us more attentive attentive attentive it can it's been linked to the ability it can it's been linked to the ability it can it's been linked to the ability to focus and learn to focus and learn to focus and learn better there's a lot of those things but better there's a lot of those things but better there's a lot of those things but it's also an incredibly powerful it's also an incredibly powerful it's also an incredibly powerful anti-inflammatory and every time you get anti-inflammatory and every time you get anti-inflammatory and every time you get into a cold shower into a cold shower into a cold shower if it's the same temperature for the if it's the same temperature for the if it's the same temperature for the same amount of time same amount of time same amount of time you're going to get the same dose of you're going to get the same dose of you're going to get the same dose of norepinephrine according to research norepinephrine according to research norepinephrine according to research that's been done that's been done that's been done which to me that that's just incredible which to me that that's just incredible which to me that that's just incredible that's something you can rely on for a that's something you can rely on for a that's something you can rely on for a long period of time long period of time long period of time for the i mean the rest of your life if for the i mean the rest of your life if for the i mean the rest of your life if you want to you want to you want to and you're going to get that same dose
29:00and you're going to get that same dose and you're going to get that same dose so so it's really amazing in that respect it's really amazing in that respect it's really amazing in that respect there's a ton of other there's a ton of other there's a ton of other other things that that it helps as well other things that that it helps as well other things that that it helps as well i don't want to you know go on and on i i don't want to you know go on and on i i don't want to you know go on and on i guess guess guess on this one fact but with the book on this one fact but with the book on this one fact but with the book though i wanted to give people a reason though i wanted to give people a reason though i wanted to give people a reason why why why to train and then some guidance so to train and then some guidance so to train and then some guidance so how should i prepare to walk if i want how should i prepare to walk if i want how should i prepare to walk if i want to do barefoot in the snow to do barefoot in the snow to do barefoot in the snow do i just go out there and just do it do i just go out there and just do it do i just go out there and just do it you know no you know no you know no yeah first of all the answer is no don't yeah first of all the answer is no don't yeah first of all the answer is no don't just walk out there day one just walk out there day one just walk out there day one in the snow you do need to train for in the snow you do need to train for in the snow you do need to train for that that yes the mind is is probably i mean it yes the mind is is probably i mean it yes the mind is is probably i mean it really is the biggest part really is the biggest part really is the biggest part but there are some ways to train the but there are some ways to train the but there are some ways to train the mind mind mind so you we do need to train ourselves to so you we do need to train ourselves to so you we do need to train ourselves to let go of that fear that causes us let go of that fear that causes us let go of that fear that causes us conflict and then also we do need to conflict and then also we do need to conflict and then also we do need to train our train our train our circulatory system or you know we need circulatory system or you know we need circulatory system or you know we need to train our body to train our body to train our body to be able to adapt to these more to be able to adapt to these more to be able to adapt to these more extreme extreme extreme ways of training beautiful great so ways of training beautiful great so ways of training beautiful great so um if you were to wind that clock back
30:00um if you were to wind that clock back um if you were to wind that clock back uh what did it feel like you were uh what did it feel like you were uh what did it feel like you were probably one of only probably one of only probably one of only a couple dozen people in north america a couple dozen people in north america a couple dozen people in north america to a know about the wim hof to a know about the wim hof to a know about the wim hof method and certainly b uh train method and certainly b uh train method and certainly b uh train with wim hof how does it feel with wim hof how does it feel with wim hof how does it feel for you personally jesse to see the uh for you personally jesse to see the uh for you personally jesse to see the uh uh explosive interest in growth in the uh explosive interest in growth in the uh explosive interest in growth in the wim hof method and wim hof method and wim hof method and the celebratory status of of whim in a the celebratory status of of whim in a the celebratory status of of whim in a way way way in this whole you know breath work cold in this whole you know breath work cold in this whole you know breath work cold uh cold training uh cold training uh cold training how do you feel on a personal level of how do you feel on a personal level of how do you feel on a personal level of this trajectory this trajectory this trajectory i feel incredibly grateful and this was i feel incredibly grateful and this was i feel incredibly grateful and this was something something something while i was doing it i knew that it was while i was doing it i knew that it was while i was doing it i knew that it was it was something that was going to grow it was something that was going to grow it was something that was going to grow i you know i you know i you know if if a couch potato if if a couch potato if if a couch potato lazy person like myself can get into it lazy person like myself can get into it lazy person like myself can get into it and i saw these really tangible benefits
31:00and i saw these really tangible benefits and i saw these really tangible benefits um both with a reduction of anxiety i no um both with a reduction of anxiety i no um both with a reduction of anxiety i no longer longer longer take uh medications for take uh medications for take uh medications for my uh allergies anymore especially my uh allergies anymore especially my uh allergies anymore especially because of the breath or not because of the breath or not because of the breath or not well actually especially because of the well actually especially because of the well actually especially because of the cold that's the biggest thing that that cold that's the biggest thing that that cold that's the biggest thing that that really just incredibly helped me with my really just incredibly helped me with my really just incredibly helped me with my allergies allergies um but i knew at the time i i knew um but i knew at the time i i knew um but i knew at the time i i knew whenever i arrived in los angeles and i whenever i arrived in los angeles and i whenever i arrived in los angeles and i was meeting wim hof was meeting wim hof was meeting wim hof i was like this is something first of i was like this is something first of i was like this is something first of all the whole world needs all the whole world needs all the whole world needs but i knew that it was going to grow but i knew that it was going to grow but i knew that it was going to grow specifically because of how different specifically because of how different specifically because of how different wim hof is from wim hof is from wim hof is from a lot of the other gurus that came a lot of the other gurus that came a lot of the other gurus that came before him and before him and before him and a lot of the other ones it's a it's a lot of the other ones it's a it's a lot of the other ones it's a it's something where you have to believe or something where you have to believe or something where you have to believe or say a certain kind of uh incantation or say a certain kind of uh incantation or say a certain kind of uh incantation or you know there's you know there's you know there's um there's some kind of um um there's some kind of um um there's some kind of um some kind of mysticism or esoteric some kind of mysticism or esoteric some kind of mysticism or esoteric teaching teaching teaching that's that you it's involved and then
32:00that's that you it's involved and then that's that you it's involved and then you know you can choose whether or not you know you can choose whether or not you know you can choose whether or not to believe it or whatever but with wim to believe it or whatever but with wim to believe it or whatever but with wim it was different and that's what i mean it was different and that's what i mean it was different and that's what i mean that's the only reason i started this that's the only reason i started this that's the only reason i started this whole thing in the first place is just whole thing in the first place is just whole thing in the first place is just because i knew because i knew because i knew that okay science first of all i could that okay science first of all i could that okay science first of all i could feel it feel it feel it but in addition to that i could also see but in addition to that i could also see but in addition to that i could also see the science and say there's something the science and say there's something the science and say there's something there there there so i feel like i feel really really so i feel like i feel really really so i feel like i feel really really grateful that i was able to train with grateful that i was able to train with grateful that i was able to train with whim and that i whim and that i whim and that i am still able to be a part of the am still able to be a part of the am still able to be a part of the community community community because it's it's such a because it's it's such a because it's it's such a beautiful and positive group of people beautiful and positive group of people beautiful and positive group of people um i i i just um i i i just um i i i just i've i've been smiling much much i've i've been smiling much much i've i've been smiling much much bigger ever since i mean it's just been bigger ever since i mean it's just been bigger ever since i mean it's just been so so awesome so so awesome so so awesome and it's opened the door for a lot of and it's opened the door for a lot of and it's opened the door for a lot of other exploration like other exploration like other exploration like i always say that wim hof was my gateway i always say that wim hof was my gateway i always say that wim hof was my gateway drug drug drug and and and you know i it allowed me to
33:00and and and you know i it allowed me to and and and you know i it allowed me to really think really think really think okay well wait a minute there are okay well wait a minute there are okay well wait a minute there are positive stressors out there positive stressors out there positive stressors out there and what what else can i do with my and what what else can i do with my and what what else can i do with my breath what else can i do with breath what else can i do with breath what else can i do with you know um learning about my how my my you know um learning about my how my my you know um learning about my how my my biology my physiology work biology my physiology work biology my physiology work and what else is there because up until and what else is there because up until and what else is there because up until that point that point that point i didn't understand or i i had never i didn't understand or i i had never i didn't understand or i i had never really heard of hormesis really heard of hormesis really heard of hormesis i'd never really heard about how the the i'd never really heard about how the the i'd never really heard about how the the how breath can even affect anything and how breath can even affect anything and how breath can even affect anything and so it led me to so it led me to so it led me to to research these things even deeper on to research these things even deeper on to research these things even deeper on my own so i would never have been able my own so i would never have been able my own so i would never have been able to write the books that i've been able to write the books that i've been able to write the books that i've been able to write and go in to write and go in to write and go in any of the other directions in addition any of the other directions in addition any of the other directions in addition i'm still a wim hof method instructor i'm still a wim hof method instructor i'm still a wim hof method instructor proudly so proudly so proudly so um but you know i've been able to even um but you know i've been able to even um but you know i've been able to even expand from there expand from there expand from there and i never would have been able to do and i never would have been able to do and i never would have been able to do that had i not met wim hof that had i not met wim hof that had i not met wim hof and and became an instructor you know so and and became an instructor you know so and and became an instructor you know so i'm i'm i'm still very happy thank you yeah thank still very happy thank you yeah thank still very happy thank you yeah thank you um and i you um and i you um and i i can relate i mean on a personal level
34:00i can relate i mean on a personal level i can relate i mean on a personal level uh right around that mean time uh right around that mean time uh right around that mean time uh i must have read the same article to uh i must have read the same article to uh i must have read the same article to be honest and uh be honest and uh be honest and uh i knew intuitively that it was that it i knew intuitively that it was that it i knew intuitively that it was that it works for me because i had been dancing works for me because i had been dancing works for me because i had been dancing around around a lot of the elements of the wim hof a lot of the elements of the wim hof a lot of the elements of the wim hof method including you know we talked method including you know we talked method including you know we talked about this cabin where about this cabin where about this cabin where we're doing this recording i'm on an we're doing this recording i'm on an we're doing this recording i'm on an island in the north of minnesota island in the north of minnesota island in the north of minnesota and my morning was always with the cold and my morning was always with the cold and my morning was always with the cold i would do in oddly enough push-ups you i would do in oddly enough push-ups you i would do in oddly enough push-ups you know know i tried yeah 40-50 push-ups at the end i tried yeah 40-50 push-ups at the end i tried yeah 40-50 push-ups at the end of the dock of the dock of the dock as a precursor to jumping in the cold as a precursor to jumping in the cold as a precursor to jumping in the cold lake and lake and lake and i mean much to your story jesse i mean i mean much to your story jesse i mean i mean much to your story jesse i mean that the whole that the whole that the whole we i needed somebody like him to kind of we i needed somebody like him to kind of we i needed somebody like him to kind of put put put um um some some process to um um some some process to um um some some process to what was kind of dancing around in my what was kind of dancing around in my what was kind of dancing around in my personal world you know with sauna personal world you know with sauna personal world you know with sauna with cold lakes with some sort of with cold lakes with some sort of with cold lakes with some sort of exercises exercises exercises but the breath retention was was was but the breath retention was was was but the breath retention was was was really new really new really new uh but like you you said i mean it's uh but like you you said i mean it's uh but like you you said i mean it's something that something that something that that clicked with you and you saw that clicked with you and you saw that clicked with you and you saw results immediately
35:00results immediately results immediately and i love how you frame up about how uh and i love how you frame up about how uh and i love how you frame up about how uh it's it's it's it's not really a guru thing i mean like it's not really a guru thing i mean like it's not really a guru thing i mean like everybody can find their own place everybody can find their own place everybody can find their own place you know with the breath work in the you know with the breath work in the you know with the breath work in the cold uh these are two cold uh these are two cold uh these are two things that are quite uh quite bluntly things that are quite uh quite bluntly things that are quite uh quite bluntly they are free they are free they are free to air yeah you're cold it's i've always to air yeah you're cold it's i've always to air yeah you're cold it's i've always loved that i've always loved the fact that it's i've always loved the fact that it's free it's not like you have to free it's not like you have to free it's not like you have to you know wait for it to go on sale or you know wait for it to go on sale or you know wait for it to go on sale or wait for what is it the amazon prime day wait for what is it the amazon prime day wait for what is it the amazon prime day or any of these whatever they are you or any of these whatever they are you or any of these whatever they are you know you already have know you already have know you already have the ability to breathe you already have the ability to breathe you already have the ability to breathe you already have at least in most of us do have some at least in most of us do have some at least in most of us do have some access to the cold especially here access to the cold especially here access to the cold especially here in the midwest and of course in the in the midwest and of course in the in the midwest and of course in the north uh northern north uh northern north uh northern midwest where you live i mean you get midwest where you live i mean you get midwest where you live i mean you get really cold out there really cold out there really cold out there so yeah i'm envious yeah well hey you so yeah i'm envious yeah well hey you so yeah i'm envious yeah well hey you know what know what know what um you could come on up man so so um you could come on up man so so um you could come on up man so so come up and see us so i i was uh come up and see us so i i was uh come up and see us so i i was uh thinking of you last night you know thinking of you last night you know thinking of you last night you know and i got a crazy question for you uh is
36:00and i got a crazy question for you uh is and i got a crazy question for you uh is is cold cold meaning is cold cold meaning is cold cold meaning uh came out of the sauna we're on this uh came out of the sauna we're on this uh came out of the sauna we're on this island it's island it's island it's really cold the leaves are coming down really cold the leaves are coming down really cold the leaves are coming down that lake is getting i call it that lake is getting i call it that lake is getting i call it great serving temp you know it's a great serving temp you know it's a great serving temp you know it's a beautiful serving temp in beautiful serving temp in beautiful serving temp in in the water as i was in the lake i dove in the water as i was in the lake i dove in the water as i was in the lake i dove right off the dock you know i do this right off the dock you know i do this right off the dock you know i do this multiple rounds through my sauna multiple rounds through my sauna multiple rounds through my sauna experience i was thinking about our experience i was thinking about our experience i was thinking about our visit today and i i wanted to ask you is visit today and i i wanted to ask you is visit today and i i wanted to ask you is you know hanging out in cold lake water you know hanging out in cold lake water you know hanging out in cold lake water uh let's just say the temperature is the uh let's just say the temperature is the uh let's just say the temperature is the same at 40 degrees same at 40 degrees same at 40 degrees uh and then an ice bath 100 degree uh and then an ice bath 100 degree uh and then an ice bath 100 degree ice bath 40 degrees is 40 degrees ice bath 40 degrees is 40 degrees ice bath 40 degrees is 40 degrees 40 degrees in your opinion you think 40 degrees in your opinion you think 40 degrees in your opinion you think that the water that the water that the water in cold is different where you do it in cold is different where you do it in cold is different where you do it i i love this question this is so good i i love this question this is so good i i love this question this is so good okay so okay so okay so the the whole goal whenever anytime i the the whole goal whenever anytime i the the whole goal whenever anytime i make an ice bath make an ice bath make an ice bath um and and the thing is so i it's um and and the thing is so i it's um and and the thing is so i it's expensive to do an ice bath expensive to do an ice bath expensive to do an ice bath every single day you know you're buying
37:00every single day you know you're buying every single day you know you're buying a lot of ice or or you have to buy an a lot of ice or or you have to buy an a lot of ice or or you have to buy an ice machine so i ice machine so i ice machine so i i've converted a deep freeze into i've converted a deep freeze into i've converted a deep freeze into a uh cold plunge and you know i get into a uh cold plunge and you know i get into a uh cold plunge and you know i get into that that and there is a difference between that and there is a difference between that and there is a difference between that and getting into an ice bath where it's and getting into an ice bath where it's and getting into an ice bath where it's it's literally it's literally it's literally ice with water or going into a lake or a ice with water or going into a lake or a ice with water or going into a lake or a creek creek creek and yeah it's so weird and i know and yeah it's so weird and i know and yeah it's so weird and i know i mean technically you can measure the i mean technically you can measure the i mean technically you can measure the temperature right you can measure temperature right you can measure temperature right you can measure okay it's 40 degrees or it's whatever okay it's 40 degrees or it's whatever okay it's 40 degrees or it's whatever but there is something but there is something but there is something different about it because you know you different about it because you know you different about it because you know you jump in now okay and i could jump in now okay and i could jump in now okay and i could i could think this through you know i i could think this through you know i i could think this through you know i could i could even could i could even could i could even bring out all the permutations and all bring out all the permutations and all bring out all the permutations and all the calculations right well the air the calculations right well the air the calculations right well the air temperature and then there's the temperature and then there's the temperature and then there's the you know the the breeze and so you've you know the the breeze and so you've you know the the breeze and so you've got the wind chill got the wind chill got the wind chill and these are all things that i and these are all things that i and these are all things that i i think is it's important to bring up i think is it's important to bring up i think is it's important to bring up right because you do have to right because you do have to right because you do have to face these things but there is
38:00face these things but there is face these things but there is something about getting into a natural something about getting into a natural something about getting into a natural body of water body of water body of water that is it's special that is it's special that is it's special and what i have found and this is weird and what i have found and this is weird and what i have found and this is weird because i i love the the way you pose because i i love the the way you pose because i i love the the way you pose this because this because this because i have found that when i get into maybe i have found that when i get into maybe i have found that when i get into maybe it's it's even colder the water's even colder in even colder the water's even colder in even colder the water's even colder in nature nature nature that for some reason it feels that for some reason it feels that for some reason it feels like i'm able to adapt faster and it's i like i'm able to adapt faster and it's i like i'm able to adapt faster and it's i don't know what it is it's like don't know what it is it's like don't know what it is it's like um it's almost more irritable um it's almost more irritable um it's almost more irritable in a controlled environment you know in a controlled environment you know in a controlled environment you know and you get in this natural environment and you get in this natural environment and you get in this natural environment you're like you're like you're like here is my natural habitat you know here is my natural habitat you know here is my natural habitat you know yes i i i think that if anybody yes i i i think that if anybody yes i i i think that if anybody obviously you want to train in those obviously you want to train in those obviously you want to train in those controlled environments early on controlled environments early on controlled environments early on you know because or at least have if you know because or at least have if you know because or at least have if you're going to train you're going to train you're going to train in a natural body of water early on in in a natural body of water early on in in a natural body of water early on in your your your training have people with you or don't
39:00training have people with you or don't training have people with you or don't go go go to where it's like insanely cold on your to where it's like insanely cold on your to where it's like insanely cold on your first day but man first day but man first day but man that is the best there is nothing that that is the best there is nothing that that is the best there is nothing that beats nature beats nature beats nature it's just it literally is the best it's just it literally is the best it's just it literally is the best whether it's whether it's whether it's i mean just in general but but you get i mean just in general but but you get i mean just in general but but you get into that frozen into that frozen into that frozen over lake you cut the hole or you know over lake you cut the hole or you know over lake you cut the hole or you know you get into the you get into the you get into the the stream and that's i will say the the stream and that's i will say the the stream and that's i will say the danger danger danger the danger is you want to stay in a the danger is you want to stay in a the danger is you want to stay in a little longer than maybe you should little longer than maybe you should little longer than maybe you should thank you jesse thank you for i i i thank you jesse thank you for i i i thank you jesse thank you for i i i cannot agree any more to that and i cannot agree any more to that and i cannot agree any more to that and i think think think if i could just project uh what we're if i could just project uh what we're if i could just project uh what we're doing is doing is doing is we're we're we're getting back to our we're we're we're getting back to our we're we're we're getting back to our primal state right like this is the primal state right like this is the primal state right like this is the whole thing where whole thing where whole thing where you know whim talks about this quite you know whim talks about this quite you know whim talks about this quite you know quite frequently where we uh you know quite frequently where we uh you know quite frequently where we uh it's only been in the last it's only been in the last it's only been in the last you know couple hundred years or even a you know couple hundred years or even a you know couple hundred years or even a hundred years where we have created this hundred years where we have created this hundred years where we have created this this softness to our our climate you
40:00this softness to our our climate you this softness to our our climate you know know every every minute of every day of every every every minute of every day of every every every minute of every day of every year is year is year is 68 70 degrees and we are not uh 68 70 degrees and we are not uh 68 70 degrees and we are not uh instituting any stress within uh uh our instituting any stress within uh uh our instituting any stress within uh uh our life you know life you know life you know and the idea of of this primal and the idea of of this primal and the idea of of this primal uh extreme uh is best realized in nature uh extreme uh is best realized in nature uh extreme uh is best realized in nature of of course yes and so i mean i don't of of course yes and so i mean i don't of of course yes and so i mean i don't know if it's know if it's know if it's psychological or metaphysical or psychological or metaphysical or psychological or metaphysical or physical physical physical or some combinations thereof but i i or some combinations thereof but i i or some combinations thereof but i i find find find exactly what you say i find the cold uh exactly what you say i find the cold uh exactly what you say i find the cold uh in a lake in a lake in a lake you know a cold lake to be much more you know a cold lake to be much more you know a cold lake to be much more intense number one intense number one intense number one but also much more re rewarding and i'm but also much more re rewarding and i'm but also much more re rewarding and i'm less prone to want to get out less prone to want to get out less prone to want to get out yeah i develop a comfort level with that yeah i develop a comfort level with that yeah i develop a comfort level with that because because it's natural maybe i don't know is a bag it's natural maybe i don't know is a bag it's natural maybe i don't know is a bag in a 100 gallon tub natural you know in a 100 gallon tub natural you know in a 100 gallon tub natural you know probably but it just feels different to probably but it just feels different to probably but it just feels different to me me me so i like i like leaving it up a little so i like i like leaving it up a little so i like i like leaving it up a little bit to mystery there bit to mystery there bit to mystery there i i like saying you know i if nothing
41:00i i like saying you know i if nothing i i like saying you know i if nothing else i know it's special else i know it's special else i know it's special right and i can say that for sure but right and i can say that for sure but right and i can say that for sure but um i think there's you know we we um i think there's you know we we um i think there's you know we we there's there's research now to show there's there's research now to show there's there's research now to show that that forest bathing is uh is something that forest bathing is uh is something that forest bathing is uh is something that you know reduces cortisol levels it's you know reduces cortisol levels it's you know reduces cortisol levels it's something that we just something that we just something that we just strangely enough that we just naturally strangely enough that we just naturally strangely enough that we just naturally seem seem seem to be innate when we're in nature we're to be innate when we're in nature we're to be innate when we're in nature we're more comfortable more comfortable more comfortable and i think there is something about and i think there is something about and i think there is something about that and it could be something that and it could be something that and it could be something like um receiving like um receiving like um receiving bottom-up signals from our autonomic bottom-up signals from our autonomic bottom-up signals from our autonomic nervous system that maybe things are not nervous system that maybe things are not nervous system that maybe things are not the way they should be whenever you're the way they should be whenever you're the way they should be whenever you're always in a square box always in a square box always in a square box or you know that the square houses or or you know that the square houses or or you know that the square houses or whatever and um whatever and um whatever and um maybe maybe there's something that is maybe maybe there's something that is maybe maybe there's something that is deep inside saying deep inside saying deep inside saying the feeling of that sand underneath your the feeling of that sand underneath your the feeling of that sand underneath your your bare feet your bare feet your bare feet there's something good about that you there's something good about that you there's something good about that you need that too need that too need that too i i love embracing that i'm okay with i i love embracing that i'm okay with
42:00i i love embracing that i'm okay with the mystery i don't need to know i just the mystery i don't need to know i just the mystery i don't need to know i just i can feel it thank you thank you that's i can feel it thank you thank you that's i can feel it thank you thank you that's a very well said i a very well said i a very well said i i i love the mystery we can accept the i i love the mystery we can accept the i i love the mystery we can accept the mystery mystery mystery and rejoice in it one one and rejoice in it one one and rejoice in it one one one more thing that is against that i one more thing that is against that i one more thing that is against that i want to ask you from a technical want to ask you from a technical want to ask you from a technical standpoint standpoint standpoint if when you're cold uh you say your if when you're cold uh you say your if when you're cold uh you say your body's body's body's you know your body is obviously quite a you know your body is obviously quite a you know your body is obviously quite a bit warmer than the cold water bit warmer than the cold water bit warmer than the cold water surrounding you surrounding you surrounding you is it true in stagnant cold that we are is it true in stagnant cold that we are is it true in stagnant cold that we are building building building like this cocoon or this little layer like this cocoon or this little layer like this cocoon or this little layer around around us yeah the question to that is us yeah the question to that is us yeah the question to that is if you go into a moving water stream if you go into a moving water stream if you go into a moving water stream uh that's different i i mean am i uh that's different i i mean am i uh that's different i i mean am i reading that reading that reading that is mental or that's the real deal isn't is mental or that's the real deal isn't is mental or that's the real deal isn't it no that's the real deal and i've it no that's the real deal and i've it no that's the real deal and i've gotten in trouble gotten in trouble gotten in trouble uh because of this so and whenever i'm uh because of this so and whenever i'm uh because of this so and whenever i'm writing these books i'm trying one of writing these books i'm trying one of writing these books i'm trying one of the things i'm trying to help people do the things i'm trying to help people do the things i'm trying to help people do is not is not is not make the same mistakes as me you know make the same mistakes as me you know make the same mistakes as me you know and whether you're doing wim hof method and whether you're doing wim hof method and whether you're doing wim hof method or whether you just want to do cold
43:00or whether you just want to do cold or whether you just want to do cold training or you just want to do training or you just want to do training or you just want to do you know different forms of breath work you know different forms of breath work you know different forms of breath work you know there's there's a lot of things you know there's there's a lot of things you know there's there's a lot of things that that that i've learned you know the hard way that i've learned you know the hard way that i've learned you know the hard way and one of them and one of them and one of them was i'll never forget i hadn't been able was i'll never forget i hadn't been able was i'll never forget i hadn't been able to to train to to train to to train in any natural body of water for months in any natural body of water for months in any natural body of water for months and i finally got the chance to go to and i finally got the chance to go to and i finally got the chance to go to this really nice creek this really nice creek this really nice creek it was nice and deep i could get up to it was nice and deep i could get up to it was nice and deep i could get up to my my shoulders my my shoulders my my shoulders and i told my brother-in-law of course and i told my brother-in-law of course and i told my brother-in-law of course he didn't he didn't he didn't he had never really done any cold he had never really done any cold he had never really done any cold training or anything i said training or anything i said training or anything i said okay why don't you time me i'm just okay why don't you time me i'm just okay why don't you time me i'm just going to go for 10 minutes going to go for 10 minutes going to go for 10 minutes well at the time i had been doing 10 well at the time i had been doing 10 well at the time i had been doing 10 minutes a day minutes a day minutes a day in a tub and i had been doing oh in a tub and i had been doing oh in a tub and i had been doing oh we're talking maybe 35 40 degrees i mean we're talking maybe 35 40 degrees i mean we're talking maybe 35 40 degrees i mean super super a lot of a lot of ice super super a lot of a lot of ice super super a lot of a lot of ice but it is true that you build a but it is true that you build a but it is true that you build a small layer of warmer water i mean it's small layer of warmer water i mean it's small layer of warmer water i mean it's not gonna get hot not gonna get hot not gonna get hot folks but you know it gets warmer and folks but you know it gets warmer and folks but you know it gets warmer and whenever you're in moving water that
44:00whenever you're in moving water that whenever you're in moving water that gets just gets blown away it's like gets just gets blown away it's like gets just gets blown away it's like windchill and i was there and i said windchill and i was there and i said windchill and i was there and i said okay okay okay tell me whenever it's five minutes past tell me whenever it's five minutes past tell me whenever it's five minutes past and then tell me when the ten minutes and then tell me when the ten minutes and then tell me when the ten minutes pass pass pass well i didn't want to get out well i didn't want to get out well i didn't want to get out i was i was like i haven't been able to i was i was like i haven't been able to i was i was like i haven't been able to train in natural train in natural train in natural habitat for a long time so i really want habitat for a long time so i really want habitat for a long time so i really want to stick with this to stick with this to stick with this so i got to five minutes and i started so i got to five minutes and i started so i got to five minutes and i started feeling kind of cold feeling kind of cold feeling kind of cold and i started kind of man i gotta gotta and i started kind of man i gotta gotta and i started kind of man i gotta gotta stay in this stay in this stay in this my brother-in-law's watching me and and my brother-in-law's watching me and and my brother-in-law's watching me and and uh you know all those uh you know all those uh you know all those ego things that we should never do but ego things that we should never do but ego things that we should never do but you know and so i i eventually started you know and so i i eventually started you know and so i i eventually started feeling feeling feeling warm again which is warm again which is warm again which is terrible and and and i and i go over terrible and and and i and i go over terrible and and and i and i go over this in the e-book and i talk about this in the e-book and i talk about this in the e-book and i talk about how there's the danger zone and you know how there's the danger zone and you know how there's the danger zone and you know or there's the there's the safety zone or there's the there's the safety zone or there's the there's the safety zone and then there's the danger zone and and then there's the danger zone and and then there's the danger zone and then there's the death zone right then there's the death zone right then there's the death zone right and the death zone is where you really and the death zone is where you really and the death zone is where you really you're going to need medical help you're going to need medical help you're going to need medical help well the danger zone i was very much in
45:00well the danger zone i was very much in well the danger zone i was very much in the danger zone the danger zone the danger zone i was on the edge on the very edge of i was on the edge on the very edge of i was on the edge on the very edge of the danger zone the danger zone getting closer to the death zone and i getting closer to the death zone and i getting closer to the death zone and i didn't even realize it and that's why didn't even realize it and that's why didn't even realize it and that's why it's really important it's really important it's really important for a person to understand a lot of for a person to understand a lot of for a person to understand a lot of there's some things you need to there's some things you need to there's some things you need to understand about cold training understand about cold training understand about cold training well because i didn't i was like i've well because i didn't i was like i've well because i didn't i was like i've been doing 10 minutes a day been doing 10 minutes a day been doing 10 minutes a day but it was that one difference the water but it was that one difference the water but it was that one difference the water probably wasn't even as cold as the probably wasn't even as cold as the probably wasn't even as cold as the water i was sitting in water i was sitting in water i was sitting in in that hundred gallon tub but it was in that hundred gallon tub but it was in that hundred gallon tub but it was moving moving moving and i got out of that and instantly i and i got out of that and instantly i and i got out of that and instantly i started to feel like drain started to feel like drain started to feel like drain in all of my energy i was suffering from in all of my energy i was suffering from in all of my energy i was suffering from very very extreme after drop very very extreme after drop very very extreme after drop and just felt terrible the rest of the and just felt terrible the rest of the and just felt terrible the rest of the day and after dropping something you day and after dropping something you day and after dropping something you never want to feel never want to feel never want to feel can you explain for listeners after drop can you explain for listeners after drop can you explain for listeners after drop yeah so so the way the body works it's yeah so so the way the body works it's yeah so so the way the body works it's it's incredible how it will defend you it's incredible how it will defend you it's incredible how it will defend you from this this cold force from this this cold force from this this cold force and your your natural defense is the and your your natural defense is the and your your natural defense is the skin skin skin and you've got an enormous amount of and you've got an enormous amount of and you've got an enormous amount of little capillaries there so they will little capillaries there so they will little capillaries there so they will close
46:00close close and they'll prevent that that and they'll prevent that that and they'll prevent that that coldness from penetrating into your coldness from penetrating into your coldness from penetrating into your organs organs organs and your your vital parts and then what and your your vital parts and then what and your your vital parts and then what will happen will happen will happen is though it it it's gonna hold a little is though it it it's gonna hold a little is though it it it's gonna hold a little bit of that blood bit of that blood bit of that blood on the surface so there's all these tiny on the surface so there's all these tiny on the surface so there's all these tiny little very cold little little very cold little little very cold little pinpricks of blood but there's millions pinpricks of blood but there's millions pinpricks of blood but there's millions and billions of them and billions of them and billions of them on your skin and then what happens is on your skin and then what happens is on your skin and then what happens is and this happens and this happens and this happens whenever you get out of a cold shower or whenever you get out of a cold shower or whenever you get out of a cold shower or anything but anything but anything but the the degree of extremeness the the degree of extremeness the the degree of extremeness varies depending on how cold of water varies depending on how cold of water varies depending on how cold of water you were in and how long you were in you were in and how long you were in you were in and how long you were in and what happened for me whenever i was and what happened for me whenever i was and what happened for me whenever i was experiencing experiencing experiencing uh after drop and if you experience uh after drop and if you experience uh after drop and if you experience after drop what happens is after drop what happens is after drop what happens is you've been in for so long you've been in for so long you've been in for so long that you've built up an enormous amount that you've built up an enormous amount that you've built up an enormous amount and your body just wasn't able to keep and your body just wasn't able to keep and your body just wasn't able to keep it out it started to creep in it out it started to creep in it out it started to creep in already and then you get out and then already and then you get out and then already and then you get out and then the cold that that cooled blood from the cold that that cooled blood from the cold that that cooled blood from your extremities your extremities your extremities starts to circulate into your core
47:00starts to circulate into your core starts to circulate into your core and then you your your actual core and then you your your actual core and then you your your actual core temperature drops and this is a temperature drops and this is a temperature drops and this is a miserable experience everybody you don't miserable experience everybody you don't miserable experience everybody you don't want to feel it want to feel it want to feel it and it's funny i've even seen people and it's funny i've even seen people and it's funny i've even seen people feel it in a sauna feel it in a sauna feel it in a sauna because what happens is if you go from because what happens is if you go from because what happens is if you go from the cold state the cold state the cold state to the hot state too fast it opens up to the hot state too fast it opens up to the hot state too fast it opens up those those those capillaries and all of that cold uh that capillaries and all of that cold uh that capillaries and all of that cold uh that cool that blood will speed cool that blood will speed cool that blood will speed it goes a lot faster to your core and it goes a lot faster to your core and it goes a lot faster to your core and i've seen people i've seen people i've seen people shiver just uncontrollably shiver just uncontrollably shiver just uncontrollably in the same you know sauna that other in the same you know sauna that other in the same you know sauna that other people are sweating in people are sweating in people are sweating in right but it's easy to avoid it's just right but it's easy to avoid it's just right but it's easy to avoid it's just you can't let you can't let you can't let your your ego get in the way and if you your your ego get in the way and if you your your ego get in the way and if you have a training manual it have a training manual it have a training manual it it does kind of keep you from pushing it does kind of keep you from pushing it does kind of keep you from pushing yourselves to those extremes quite so yourselves to those extremes quite so yourselves to those extremes quite so often often often thank you um yeah so i i wrote thank you um yeah so i i wrote thank you um yeah so i i wrote an article about sauna and cold plunge an article about sauna and cold plunge an article about sauna and cold plunge and i say and i say and i say you know there's this uh i said with
48:00you know there's this uh i said with you know there's this uh i said with sauna and cold plunge one plus one sauna and cold plunge one plus one sauna and cold plunge one plus one equals three and uh i i find that great equals three and uh i i find that great equals three and uh i i find that great and i wondered if you would like to riff and i wondered if you would like to riff and i wondered if you would like to riff on that jesse on that jesse on that jesse how do you feel about that well i and how do you feel about that well i and how do you feel about that well i and and it really comes back and it really comes back and it really comes back there's there's some real benefits to there's there's some real benefits to there's there's some real benefits to going back and forth going back and forth going back and forth um one of the things we can bring it um one of the things we can bring it um one of the things we can bring it back to those back to those back to those those those capillaries on your skin and those those capillaries on your skin and those those capillaries on your skin and you know you and i we're human beings you know you and i we're human beings you know you and i we're human beings all of us are human beings we we all of us are human beings we we all of us are human beings we we normally are in temperature controlled normally are in temperature controlled normally are in temperature controlled boxes all of our lives and we don't get boxes all of our lives and we don't get boxes all of our lives and we don't get those extremes that would give us the those extremes that would give us the those extremes that would give us the training stimulus to make training stimulus to make training stimulus to make us have a stronger reaction to hot and us have a stronger reaction to hot and us have a stronger reaction to hot and cold and and strengthening cold and and strengthening cold and and strengthening those capillaries has an enormous those capillaries has an enormous those capillaries has an enormous benefit benefit benefit uh in some people that i've trained uh in some people that i've trained uh in some people that i've trained they've seen an improvement in blood they've seen an improvement in blood they've seen an improvement in blood pressure pressure pressure not everybody but some people have seen not everybody but some people have seen not everybody but some people have seen an an an improvement because of that circulation improvement because of that circulation improvement because of that circulation change but what i love to do change but what i love to do change but what i love to do is i love to go back and forth for both
49:00is i love to go back and forth for both is i love to go back and forth for both that that those purposes but also uh those purposes but also uh those purposes but also uh because it feels so amazing right you because it feels so amazing right you because it feels so amazing right you just feel good just feel good just feel good and you're just compounding all these and you're just compounding all these and you're just compounding all these happy chemicals and endorphins and happy chemicals and endorphins and happy chemicals and endorphins and all this i mean you get an enormous rush all this i mean you get an enormous rush all this i mean you get an enormous rush of of of all these happy chemicals so in it's all these happy chemicals so in it's all these happy chemicals so in it's it's awesome to take an ice bath it's it's awesome to take an ice bath it's it's awesome to take an ice bath it's awesome to take sauna or our steam room awesome to take sauna or our steam room awesome to take sauna or our steam room but yeah if you've got the both if but yeah if you've got the both if but yeah if you've got the both if you've got both of them you've got both of them you've got both of them um i don't know how many times i've just um i don't know how many times i've just um i don't know how many times i've just spent spent spent you know over an hour sometime many you know over an hour sometime many you know over an hour sometime many times times times most times about an hour going back and most times about an hour going back and most times about an hour going back and forth back and forth back and forth forth back and forth back and forth forth back and forth back and forth now steam room is what i normally use so now steam room is what i normally use so now steam room is what i normally use so it's it's it's kind of intense you know um it's kind of intense you know um it's kind of intense you know um so you don't normally get quite as long so you don't normally get quite as long so you don't normally get quite as long of a session of a session of a session as maybe with a sauna but um as maybe with a sauna but um as maybe with a sauna but um but yeah they're just feels amazing but yeah they're just feels amazing but yeah they're just feels amazing right now some of the a principle to right now some of the a principle to right now some of the a principle to what you're you're speaking about what you're you're speaking about what you're you're speaking about has to do with uh you know people often
50:00has to do with uh you know people often has to do with uh you know people often ask me ask me ask me or you know that's a common question how or you know that's a common question how or you know that's a common question how long in the sauna long in the sauna long in the sauna and to me everybody is different and and to me everybody is different and and to me everybody is different and the best answer for me is until well the best answer for me is until well the best answer for me is until well there's a there's a good answer actually there's a there's a good answer actually there's a there's a good answer actually is is is when the idea of an ice cold lake plunge when the idea of an ice cold lake plunge when the idea of an ice cold lake plunge is about the best idea you've ever is about the best idea you've ever is about the best idea you've ever had i like that i mean had i like that i mean had i like that i mean we can all relate to it that's my buddy we can all relate to it that's my buddy we can all relate to it that's my buddy clint's answer but uh i clint's answer but uh i clint's answer but uh i answered a little bit i can answer that answered a little bit i can answer that answered a little bit i can answer that way in a very that's a that's way in a very that's a that's way in a very that's a that's as accurate as an answer as i can get as accurate as an answer as i can get as accurate as an answer as i can get but there is another answer and that's but there is another answer and that's but there is another answer and that's that that you want your core completely heated you want your core completely heated you want your core completely heated heated up you know heated up you know heated up you know and this gets me on a soapbox about good and this gets me on a soapbox about good and this gets me on a soapbox about good sauna and when you have a good sauna sauna and when you have a good sauna sauna and when you have a good sauna that is properly that is properly that is properly you know ventilation really good heat you know ventilation really good heat you know ventilation really good heat the right kind of steam that is not the right kind of steam that is not the right kind of steam that is not scorching you but making scorching you but making scorching you but making you feel this ah this feeling of you feel this ah this feeling of you feel this ah this feeling of fulfillment you're able to fulfillment you're able to fulfillment you're able to stay in the hot room much longer and by stay in the hot room much longer and by stay in the hot room much longer and by doing that your doing that your doing that your core body temperature is raised equally
51:00core body temperature is raised equally core body temperature is raised equally and uniformly and uniformly and uniformly and feeling great so that's a and feeling great so that's a and feeling great so that's a springboard for a really good springboard for a really good springboard for a really good cold plunge because then the inverse is cold plunge because then the inverse is cold plunge because then the inverse is going to happen something that you know going to happen something that you know going to happen something that you know so very well is that you know that so very well is that you know that so very well is that you know that endorphin endorphin endorphin um experience of that of the body like um experience of that of the body like um experience of that of the body like really you know your heart rate just really you know your heart rate just really you know your heart rate just going down going down going down that primes of uh of that primes of uh of that primes of uh of that we experienced you know in the cold that we experienced you know in the cold that we experienced you know in the cold so so so so so so yes it's a compound of happy chemicals yes it's a compound of happy chemicals yes it's a compound of happy chemicals as as as you say and it just feels good and as you say and it just feels good and as you say and it just feels good and then then then like in another wonderful line that you like in another wonderful line that you like in another wonderful line that you have is uh you know maybe we don't need have is uh you know maybe we don't need have is uh you know maybe we don't need some of these scientific answers uh to some of these scientific answers uh to some of these scientific answers uh to prove to us that what we know to be prove to us that what we know to be prove to us that what we know to be uh good for us um uh yeah uh good for us um uh yeah uh good for us um uh yeah right well it's it's you can feel it right well it's it's you can feel it right well it's it's you can feel it that's the thing that that's the thing that that's the thing that um i mean you know i know um i mean you know i know um i mean you know i know i think one of the reasons why we don't i think one of the reasons why we don't i think one of the reasons why we don't often take care of ourselves often take care of ourselves often take care of ourselves or eat right for instance um yes
52:00or eat right for instance um yes or eat right for instance um yes you can feel the difference whenever you can feel the difference whenever you can feel the difference whenever you're eating you're eating you're eating healthy versus not healthy but it's not healthy versus not healthy but it's not healthy versus not healthy but it's not as as immediate or oftentimes as profound immediate or oftentimes as profound immediate or oftentimes as profound as if you've had one of these extreme as if you've had one of these extreme as if you've had one of these extreme temperatures temperatures temperatures uh acting on you um i think the uh acting on you um i think the uh acting on you um i think the immediacy immediacy immediacy of temperature training is i i i love of temperature training is i i i love of temperature training is i i i love what you're saying you know what you're saying you know what you're saying you know about having yeah we we can look at the about having yeah we we can look at the about having yeah we we can look at the studies there's all kinds of research studies there's all kinds of research studies there's all kinds of research done on sauna done on sauna done on sauna use and there's all kinds i mean and i use and there's all kinds i mean and i use and there's all kinds i mean and i mean for longevity mean for longevity mean for longevity and for weight loss and metabolism and and for weight loss and metabolism and and for weight loss and metabolism and i mean immune boosting uh human growth i mean immune boosting uh human growth i mean immune boosting uh human growth hormone hormone hormone all these amazing things that we can all these amazing things that we can all these amazing things that we can look at those studies look at those studies look at those studies but you know what people were in those a but you know what people were in those a but you know what people were in those a lot longer than we've even had lot longer than we've even had lot longer than we've even had science and we've known there's science and we've known there's science and we've known there's something to something to something to this right you look back people used to this right you look back people used to this right you look back people used to prescribe cold exposure or or go to a
53:00prescribe cold exposure or or go to a prescribe cold exposure or or go to a sweat lodge or sweat lodge or sweat lodge or you know all these things that there was you know all these things that there was you know all these things that there was a lot of times a spiritual connotation a lot of times a spiritual connotation a lot of times a spiritual connotation to it as well to it as well to it as well because we knew there was something deep because we knew there was something deep because we knew there was something deep down right there's something about it down right there's something about it down right there's something about it that it's just right and so no i i hear that it's just right and so no i i hear that it's just right and so no i i hear you you you it's it's great to have science but but it's it's great to have science but but it's it's great to have science but but having the experience having the experience having the experience is paramount well well said do you want is paramount well well said do you want is paramount well well said do you want to ask me anything or to ask me anything or to ask me anything or in a secondary yeah i want to know what in a secondary yeah i want to know what in a secondary yeah i want to know what you do you do you do because i mean if i lived on this because i mean if i lived on this because i mean if i lived on this awesome island awesome island awesome island um so so tell me what what is your sauna um so so tell me what what is your sauna um so so tell me what what is your sauna routine like or do you have a routine or routine like or do you have a routine or routine like or do you have a routine or does it does it does it does it have uh is it regular or what does it have uh is it regular or what does it have uh is it regular or what what what what what's a regular day i guess for you what's a regular day i guess for you what's a regular day i guess for you sure sure sure yeah you know it's a it's a it's even yeah you know it's a it's a it's even yeah you know it's a it's a it's even more paramount more paramount more paramount you know a routine is even more you know a routine is even more you know a routine is even more paramount uh during the time of corona paramount uh during the time of corona paramount uh during the time of corona for me since the ice went out for me since the ice went out for me since the ice went out on our lake in early may uh on our lake in early may uh on our lake in early may uh i've been up here the only times i've i've been up here the only times i've i've been up here the only times i've left
54:00left left the north here of northern minnesota is the north here of northern minnesota is the north here of northern minnesota is to drive sauna stoves back to to drive sauna stoves back to to drive sauna stoves back to minneapolis so minneapolis so minneapolis so so every night early may i've been up so every night early may i've been up so every night early may i've been up here with the exception of here with the exception of here with the exception of uh two night trip three two night trips uh two night trip three two night trips uh two night trip three two night trips down to minneapolis where i brought down to minneapolis where i brought down to minneapolis where i brought it down for people and stuff so so and it down for people and stuff so so and it down for people and stuff so so and those were calm those were calm those were calm interruptions to my routine in my interruptions to my routine in my interruptions to my routine in my backyard in minneapolis so backyard in minneapolis so backyard in minneapolis so so this answer your question i've fallen so this answer your question i've fallen so this answer your question i've fallen into this into this into this sort of cycle of every other day i mean sort of cycle of every other day i mean sort of cycle of every other day i mean you know and i'm not too embarrassed to you know and i'm not too embarrassed to you know and i'm not too embarrassed to tell you that there's a lot of times up tell you that there's a lot of times up tell you that there's a lot of times up here here here where i don't i have to really even look where i don't i have to really even look where i don't i have to really even look on the wall to see you know what day it on the wall to see you know what day it on the wall to see you know what day it is is that's the truth you know uh there's that's the truth you know uh there's that's the truth you know uh there's it's just been really crazy with with it's just been really crazy with with it's just been really crazy with with corona you know my day job corona you know my day job corona you know my day job slowed down to a trickle if that at all slowed down to a trickle if that at all slowed down to a trickle if that at all and and and you know i mean i don't know a saturday you know i mean i don't know a saturday you know i mean i don't know a saturday from a tuesday often from a tuesday often from a tuesday often really great therapy for me on a really great therapy for me on a really great therapy for me on a personal level personal level personal level so yeah so every other day i've sort of so yeah so every other day i've sort of so yeah so every other day i've sort of fallen in you know there are days where fallen in you know there are days where fallen in you know there are days where i sound or two days in a row or whatever
55:00i sound or two days in a row or whatever i sound or two days in a row or whatever uh but generally it just seems to be uh but generally it just seems to be uh but generally it just seems to be like today is not a sauna day like today is not a sauna day like today is not a sauna day because uh well we're having guests over because uh well we're having guests over because uh well we're having guests over for dinner and this and that but for dinner and this and that but for dinner and this and that but but i just know that i i can go without but i just know that i i can go without but i just know that i i can go without today today today because i have this awesome experience because i have this awesome experience because i have this awesome experience uh yesterday uh yesterday uh yesterday and i'm gonna have an awesome experience and i'm gonna have an awesome experience and i'm gonna have an awesome experience tomorrow like you know tomorrow like you know tomorrow like you know you you know i i will bet you a thousand you you know i i will bet you a thousand you you know i i will bet you a thousand dollars that i will be sitting on the dollars that i will be sitting on the dollars that i will be sitting on the sauna bench somewhere between five and sauna bench somewhere between five and sauna bench somewhere between five and six pm tomorrow six pm tomorrow six pm tomorrow exactly what i was doing last night at exactly what i was doing last night at exactly what i was doing last night at this time so what what this time so what what this time so what what every other day sauna routine looks like every other day sauna routine looks like every other day sauna routine looks like for me you know it's it's that whole you for me you know it's it's that whole you for me you know it's it's that whole you know chopping wood carrying water know chopping wood carrying water know chopping wood carrying water uh uh parable in a way where there's uh uh parable in a way where there's uh uh parable in a way where there's nature nature involved there's usually work involved involved there's usually work involved involved there's usually work involved with uh with uh with uh you know maybe it's chopping firewood you know maybe it's chopping firewood you know maybe it's chopping firewood i'm rebuilding um i'm rebuilding um i'm rebuilding um you know some railings on our deck to you know some railings on our deck to you know some railings on our deck to the sauna guest the sauna guest the sauna guest house you know so somewhere and then a house you know so somewhere and then a house you know so somewhere and then a hike in nature hike in nature hike in nature uh often i'll light up the sauna stove uh often i'll light up the sauna stove uh often i'll light up the sauna stove and my wife and i will go hiking in the
56:00and my wife and i will go hiking in the and my wife and i will go hiking in the woods uh you know and and do that you woods uh you know and and do that you woods uh you know and and do that you know force bathing thing that you know force bathing thing that you know force bathing thing that you reference reference reference yes and uh you know i know the sound of yes and uh you know i know the sound of yes and uh you know i know the sound of my sauna stove so well because i use it my sauna stove so well because i use it my sauna stove so well because i use it so frequently and i have it tuned so frequently and i have it tuned so frequently and i have it tuned so efficiently and so well that i know so efficiently and so well that i know so efficiently and so well that i know usually when i get back it's uh 160 180 usually when i get back it's uh 160 180 usually when i get back it's uh 160 180 fahrenheit somewhere in there fahrenheit somewhere in there fahrenheit somewhere in there and then i'll i'll pull the coals and then i'll i'll pull the coals and then i'll i'll pull the coals forward throw another log on forward throw another log on forward throw another log on maybe head up to the cabin and grab my maybe head up to the cabin and grab my maybe head up to the cabin and grab my ipad with all my tunes ipad with all my tunes ipad with all my tunes uh often a beer a beer is a reward you uh often a beer a beer is a reward you uh often a beer a beer is a reward you know because you got it there you go know because you got it there you go know because you got it there you go you know a big thing of water you know a big thing of water you know a big thing of water and then see you later honey you know and then see you later honey you know and then see you later honey you know off i go to sauna off i go to sauna off i go to sauna and it's an hour and a half for two and it's an hour and a half for two and it's an hour and a half for two hours comprised hours comprised hours comprised of three most often four uh cycles you of three most often four uh cycles you of three most often four uh cycles you know through know through know through the sauna and then down to the dock and the sauna and then down to the dock and the sauna and then down to the dock and swim uh and just swim uh and just swim uh and just chill out man you know like there are no chill out man you know like there are no chill out man you know like there are no rules for me with sauna rules for me with sauna rules for me with sauna uh i just go with flow um you know since uh i just go with flow um you know since uh i just go with flow um you know since you asked
57:00you asked you asked i i find a sweet spot for me is i i find a sweet spot for me is i i find a sweet spot for me is generally like five o'clock five to generally like five o'clock five to generally like five o'clock five to seven seven seven somewhere in there a couple hours and uh somewhere in there a couple hours and uh somewhere in there a couple hours and uh that's a sweet spot for me jessie that's a sweet spot for me jessie that's a sweet spot for me jessie because uh i i get because uh i i get because uh i i get you know uh i'm i don't just like with you know uh i'm i don't just like with you know uh i'm i don't just like with exercise it's not good to sauna exercise it's not good to sauna exercise it's not good to sauna and probably same for cold plunge you and probably same for cold plunge you and probably same for cold plunge you know on a full stomach know on a full stomach know on a full stomach or really hungry you know it's like or really hungry you know it's like or really hungry you know it's like exercise exercise exercise and that's a good time of day for me and that's a good time of day for me and that's a good time of day for me because after sauna i mean food tastes because after sauna i mean food tastes because after sauna i mean food tastes so much so much so much better you know like yeah wow yeah a big better you know like yeah wow yeah a big better you know like yeah wow yeah a big meal you know meal you know meal you know like uh after sauna and then i can find like uh after sauna and then i can find like uh after sauna and then i can find out they sort of like this nice out they sort of like this nice out they sort of like this nice runway into a mellow evening runway into a mellow evening runway into a mellow evening uh you know just weeding you know uh you know just weeding you know uh you know just weeding you know whatever it takes and whatever it takes and whatever it takes and and then you know to bed at ten o'clock and then you know to bed at ten o'clock and then you know to bed at ten o'clock ten thirty so yeah ten thirty so yeah ten thirty so yeah well there's nothing that answered man well there's nothing that answered man well there's nothing that answered man you asked so there's my you asked so there's my you asked so there's my yeah well no it's not long-winded you've yeah well no it's not long-winded you've yeah well no it's not long-winded you've been listening to me this whole time been listening to me this whole time been listening to me this whole time i'm long-winded i'm the breath worker i'm long-winded i'm the breath worker i'm long-winded i'm the breath worker though so it's like okay though so it's like okay though so it's like okay okay there's my excuse but why why would okay there's my excuse but why why would okay there's my excuse but why why would you do every other day why not every day
58:00you do every other day why not every day you do every other day why not every day i love it so much you know what i mean i i love it so much you know what i mean i i love it so much you know what i mean i just love it so much there's this weird just love it so much there's this weird just love it so much there's this weird like restraint like restraint like restraint it's like i don't know it's like it's like i don't know it's like it's like i don't know it's like intermittent fasting or something intermittent fasting or something intermittent fasting or something okay it's better i i there are days okay it's better i i there are days okay it's better i i there are days where i'll go every day where i'll go every day where i'll go every day uh i don't know man i call me strange i uh i don't know man i call me strange i uh i don't know man i call me strange i i just think that i just think that i just think that something really cool about i tell you something really cool about i tell you something really cool about i tell you what tomorrow morning what tomorrow morning what tomorrow morning i wake up and i know it's a song a day i wake up and i know it's a song a day i wake up and i know it's a song a day and i have i i and i have i i and i have i i literally jump out of bed with all oh i literally jump out of bed with all oh i literally jump out of bed with all oh i like that like that like that yeah you know it's uh it's just me yeah you know it's uh it's just me yeah you know it's uh it's just me call me weird i don't know i think call me weird i don't know i think call me weird i don't know i think that's kind of cool and that's something that's kind of cool and that's something that's kind of cool and that's something that i you know i i typically take an that i you know i i typically take an that i you know i i typically take an ice bath every day but ice bath every day but ice bath every day but um now i will say with with uh um now i will say with with uh um now i will say with with uh with corona all of my with corona all of my with corona all of my routines kind of fell apart because you routines kind of fell apart because you routines kind of fell apart because you know i know i know i i'm a english professor by day and then i'm a english professor by day and then i'm a english professor by day and then so my i'm usually here at this place at so my i'm usually here at this place at so my i'm usually here at this place at this time and i talk to this person and this time and i talk to this person and this time and i talk to this person and then i do this you know all those things
59:00then i do this you know all those things then i do this you know all those things fell apart fell apart fell apart and so i've been working on my book and and so i've been working on my book and and so i've been working on my book and then then uh my uh my son he stayed home for uh my uh my son he stayed home for uh my uh my son he stayed home for two months that i had to teach him two months that i had to teach him two months that i had to teach him preschool so a lot of those things preschool so a lot of those things preschool so a lot of those things now i gotta say one thing about now i gotta say one thing about now i gotta say one thing about skipping days though it will definitely skipping days though it will definitely skipping days though it will definitely intensify the next one and i can see intensify the next one and i can see intensify the next one and i can see i mean there's in your and there is a i mean there's in your and there is a i mean there's in your and there is a certain satisfaction certain satisfaction certain satisfaction it's like yeah i got it in today you it's like yeah i got it in today you it's like yeah i got it in today you know so i can definitely see know so i can definitely see know so i can definitely see and you know there's there's a lot of and you know there's there's a lot of and you know there's there's a lot of arguments for not doing arguments for not doing arguments for not doing uh exposure training every day too some uh exposure training every day too some uh exposure training every day too some people are people are people are really locked up with it and some people really locked up with it and some people really locked up with it and some people you know if you know if you know if i when i need it i need it when i don't i when i need it i need it when i don't i when i need it i need it when i don't need it i don't need it need it i don't need it need it i don't need it and i've been a little bit more like and i've been a little bit more like and i've been a little bit more like that lately um that lately um that lately um what time of day do you do whim do you what time of day do you do whim do you what time of day do you do whim do you do it right when you wake up or out of do it right when you wake up or out of do it right when you wake up or out of bed and coffee first or how does it roll bed and coffee first or how does it roll bed and coffee first or how does it roll for you yeah so for you yeah so for you yeah so so for me i've i i do wim hof method and so for me i've i i do wim hof method and so for me i've i i do wim hof method and then i've expanded right so then i've expanded right so then i've expanded right so and so i do breath work a lot a lot of
1:00and so i do breath work a lot a lot of and so i do breath work a lot a lot of different times of the day so for an different times of the day so for an different times of the day so for an average day i wake up average day i wake up average day i wake up and this is this is the thing that gets and this is this is the thing that gets and this is this is the thing that gets me out of bed a lot like me out of bed a lot like me out of bed a lot like whenever you have a sauna day so but whenever you have a sauna day so but whenever you have a sauna day so but every morning every morning every morning i get up and i do a form of breath work i get up and i do a form of breath work i get up and i do a form of breath work called bostrika called bostrika called bostrika and bostrika i described two different and bostrika i described two different and bostrika i described two different variations of this variations of this variations of this in my new book uh practical guide to in my new book uh practical guide to in my new book uh practical guide to breath work breath work breath work um but i do that every morning i do um but i do that every morning i do um but i do that every morning i do about three rounds of that about three rounds of that about three rounds of that and then i go into a super ventilation and then i go into a super ventilation and then i go into a super ventilation routine routine routine generally i'll go into wim hof method generally i'll go into wim hof method generally i'll go into wim hof method breath work breath work and i'll do i don't even really have a and i'll do i don't even really have a and i'll do i don't even really have a number of how many times number of how many times number of how many times but i know that i have until my son but i know that i have until my son but i know that i have until my son wakes up to do my breath work so wakes up to do my breath work so wakes up to do my breath work so whenever he wakes up he'll come in whenever he wakes up he'll come in whenever he wakes up he'll come in and i'll be sitting there a lot of times and i'll be sitting there a lot of times and i'll be sitting there a lot of times he'll sit down in my lap while i finish he'll sit down in my lap while i finish he'll sit down in my lap while i finish my last round or whatever my last round or whatever my last round or whatever and then it's time for breakfast and and then it's time for breakfast and and then it's time for breakfast and coffee and things like that coffee and things like that coffee and things like that and so then after that i'll i'll and so then after that i'll i'll
1:01and so then after that i'll i'll usually take a shower uh and if it's usually take a shower uh and if it's usually take a shower uh and if it's summertime summertime summertime i'll just take pure cold shower but in i'll just take pure cold shower but in i'll just take pure cold shower but in the super when it gets super cold in the super when it gets super cold in the super when it gets super cold in this in the winter this in the winter this in the winter i'll do a warm to uh i'll i'll walk in i'll do a warm to uh i'll i'll walk in i'll do a warm to uh i'll i'll walk in so this everybody so this everybody so this everybody shrieks whenever i tell them this but i shrieks whenever i tell them this but i shrieks whenever i tell them this but i walk in there without turning on the walk in there without turning on the walk in there without turning on the water water water so i get in the shower and i don't turn so i get in the shower and i don't turn so i get in the shower and i don't turn the water on but and then when i get in the water on but and then when i get in the water on but and then when i get in then i turn the water to warm but you then i turn the water to warm but you then i turn the water to warm but you know know it's going to take a while before it it's going to take a while before it it's going to take a while before it gets warm so so i gets warm so so i gets warm so so i i let myself have that morning shock and i let myself have that morning shock and i let myself have that morning shock and then i let it go to warm then i let it go to warm then i let it go to warm and then i'll finish off with cold and and then i'll finish off with cold and and then i'll finish off with cold and then i go to work or i'll do whatever i then i go to work or i'll do whatever i then i go to work or i'll do whatever i do do do and then usually i don't take an ice and then usually i don't take an ice and then usually i don't take an ice bath until about bath until about bath until about 7 p.m so i wait till my son goes to bed 7 p.m so i wait till my son goes to bed 7 p.m so i wait till my son goes to bed i don't really he's 5 i don't really he's 5 i don't really he's 5 i don't really want him to know where i don't really want him to know where i don't really want him to know where you know you know you know about my ice chest right now you know about my ice chest right now you know about my ice chest right now you know having these bodies of water and having these bodies of water and having these bodies of water and is for safety purposes so i wait till is for safety purposes so i wait till is for safety purposes so i wait till after he goes to bed after he goes to bed after he goes to bed and usually and the thing is i used to and usually and the thing is i used to and usually and the thing is i used to time it and this is something in the in
1:02time it and this is something in the in time it and this is something in the in the e-book the e-book the e-book uh the the cold training e-book um uh the the cold training e-book um uh the the cold training e-book um you you know the ultimate goal you you know the ultimate goal you you know the ultimate goal which i believe it takes a little bit of which i believe it takes a little bit of which i believe it takes a little bit of guidance to get there but the ultimate guidance to get there but the ultimate guidance to get there but the ultimate goal goal goal is to just listen to yourself and is to just listen to yourself and is to just listen to yourself and and i mean that's what you're doing when and i mean that's what you're doing when and i mean that's what you're doing when you do sauna i mean that's what i do you do sauna i mean that's what i do you do sauna i mean that's what i do whenever i do whenever i do whenever i do ice baths so i go out and i will maybe ice baths so i go out and i will maybe ice baths so i go out and i will maybe i'll have i'll have i'll have i like viking music or you know i like viking music or you know i like viking music or you know something that gets me kind of in that something that gets me kind of in that something that gets me kind of in that spirit and then i'll listen to that spirit and then i'll listen to that spirit and then i'll listen to that while i while i while i ice bath and for until i'm ready to get ice bath and for until i'm ready to get ice bath and for until i'm ready to get out i listen to out i listen to out i listen to what i call in the book the inner voice what i call in the book the inner voice what i call in the book the inner voice and it's basically the sense of and it's basically the sense of and it's basically the sense of introception so i'm really listening to introception so i'm really listening to introception so i'm really listening to my body my body my body and then i get out and i uh i generally and then i get out and i uh i generally and then i get out and i uh i generally after that after that it's i'll go to bed maybe around if i'm it's i'll go to bed maybe around if i'm it's i'll go to bed maybe around if i'm lucky i'll go to bed at nine lucky i'll go to bed at nine lucky i'll go to bed at nine if i'm not lucky i'll go to bed at 10 if i'm not lucky i'll go to bed at 10 if i'm not lucky i'll go to bed at 10 but i always go to bed feeling so good but i always go to bed feeling so good but i always go to bed feeling so good after an ice bath because by that's by
1:03after an ice bath because by that's by after an ice bath because by that's by the time the time the time it's a few hours later and i've expended it's a few hours later and i've expended it's a few hours later and i've expended a bunch of energy at that point because a bunch of energy at that point because a bunch of energy at that point because you do you do and i'm just so relaxed and so ready to and i'm just so relaxed and so ready to and i'm just so relaxed and so ready to go to sleep the covers feel really good go to sleep the covers feel really good go to sleep the covers feel really good and i drift off and that's usually my and i drift off and that's usually my and i drift off and that's usually my routine routine and some days i don't take an ice bath and some days i don't take an ice bath and some days i don't take an ice bath but but but you know a lot of days i do most of the you know a lot of days i do most of the you know a lot of days i do most of the days days days a couple more questions yeah wrap up so a couple more questions yeah wrap up so a couple more questions yeah wrap up so um this kind of is a good transition um this kind of is a good transition um this kind of is a good transition really so really so really so so my my practice is so my my practice is so my my practice is easy in a way sauna and and it's a easy in a way sauna and and it's a easy in a way sauna and and it's a gateway to the cold because it's so gateway to the cold because it's so gateway to the cold because it's so integral it's actually quite interesting integral it's actually quite interesting integral it's actually quite interesting when you compare when you compare when you compare europe and specifically the nordic europe and specifically the nordic europe and specifically the nordic countries in finland even more countries in finland even more countries in finland even more specifically specifically specifically gold is always part of sauna it's an gold is always part of sauna it's an gold is always part of sauna it's an integral thing integral thing integral thing i mean you know if when you sauna you i mean you know if when you sauna you i mean you know if when you sauna you you do cold exposure there's no question you do cold exposure there's no question you do cold exposure there's no question in america you know those health clubs
1:04in america you know those health clubs in america you know those health clubs and whatever and whatever and whatever and in many places california comes to and in many places california comes to and in many places california comes to mind you know where people have mind you know where people have mind you know where people have seen or become exposed to sauna you know seen or become exposed to sauna you know seen or become exposed to sauna you know cold is not cold is not cold is not not assumed you know it's a health club not assumed you know it's a health club not assumed you know it's a health club and you know as a matter of fact and you know as a matter of fact and you know as a matter of fact uh i there's a health club where uh my uh i there's a health club where uh my uh i there's a health club where uh my father and i used to go father and i used to go father and i used to go and the shower you couldn't control the and the shower you couldn't control the and the shower you couldn't control the temp you know it was one of those temp you know it was one of those temp you know it was one of those where you pushed my god you know so i'd where you pushed my god you know so i'd where you pushed my god you know so i'd be out there i'd be out there they had be out there i'd be out there they had be out there i'd be out there they had like one of those garden hoses out by like one of those garden hoses out by like one of those garden hoses out by the pool the pool the pool and i'd be using that as my shower but and i'd be using that as my shower but and i'd be using that as my shower but that was that was that was that was getting stuck upon by the that was getting stuck upon by the that was getting stuck upon by the lifeguards but you know the hell with lifeguards but you know the hell with lifeguards but you know the hell with that you know that you know that you know i need that cold right so so it's an i need that cold right so so it's an i need that cold right so so it's an integral part like the integral part like the integral part like the the hot and the cold sauna cold cold the hot and the cold sauna cold cold the hot and the cold sauna cold cold it's just it's just it's just done yeah the end of the time um but done yeah the end of the time um but done yeah the end of the time um but sauna it there's no friction there's no sauna it there's no friction there's no sauna it there's no friction there's no resistance resistance resistance how do you overcome i know that you love how do you overcome i know that you love how do you overcome i know that you love it right you obviously love it you've it right you obviously love it you've it right you obviously love it you've wrote wrote wrote you know book of the book about this um
1:05you know book of the book about this um you know book of the book about this um and it's changed your life in such a and it's changed your life in such a and it's changed your life in such a positive way but positive way but positive way but well let me ask you this like do you well let me ask you this like do you well let me ask you this like do you find resistance where hey you know find resistance where hey you know find resistance where hey you know you're on the couch you're on the couch you're on the couch reading or just watching netflix or reading or just watching netflix or reading or just watching netflix or whatever what what whatever what what whatever what what what compels you or how do you overcome what compels you or how do you overcome what compels you or how do you overcome the obstacle whether it be the obstacle whether it be the obstacle whether it be you know the cold training or breath you know the cold training or breath you know the cold training or breath work because i work because i work because i i find resistance uh you know to to both i find resistance uh you know to to both i find resistance uh you know to to both uh you know uh you know uh you know cold no problem with sauna that's why cold no problem with sauna that's why cold no problem with sauna that's why one to me one plus one is three one to me one plus one is three one to me one plus one is three but you know i i get a little lizard but you know i i get a little lizard but you know i i get a little lizard brainy you know at time to time yeah brainy you know at time to time yeah brainy you know at time to time yeah and you would well you know for folks and you would well you know for folks and you would well you know for folks listening what how do you or listening what how do you or listening what how do you or what would you advise for overcoming or what would you advise for overcoming or what would you advise for overcoming or getting there you know pushing yourself getting there you know pushing yourself getting there you know pushing yourself to do it to do it to do it well and that's i think that's probably well and that's i think that's probably well and that's i think that's probably one of the most common questions i get one of the most common questions i get one of the most common questions i get is um and and the the is um and and the the is um and and the the usually the next question is i guess you usually the next question is i guess you usually the next question is i guess you just don't feel cold anymore or i guess just don't feel cold anymore or i guess just don't feel cold anymore or i guess you know a lot of assumptions and and you know a lot of assumptions and and you know a lot of assumptions and and the reality is the reality is the reality is every single time i'm about to step into
1:06every single time i'm about to step into every single time i'm about to step into that cold bath or whatever cold exposure that cold bath or whatever cold exposure that cold bath or whatever cold exposure there is trepidation and fear there is trepidation and fear there is trepidation and fear so i've been doing this now for five so i've been doing this now for five so i've been doing this now for five years almost six years of my life and years almost six years of my life and years almost six years of my life and and and it's regular and it's constant and and it's regular and it's constant and and it's regular and it's constant and that's important and that's important and that's important but also what happens but also what happens but also what happens to your brain after all this time to your brain after all this time to your brain after all this time is that you start seeing yourself as a is that you start seeing yourself as a is that you start seeing yourself as a person who can make difficult decisions person who can make difficult decisions person who can make difficult decisions because it is a difficult decision you because it is a difficult decision you because it is a difficult decision you know you i and i guarantee you i know you i and i guarantee you i know you i and i guarantee you i right now i'm thinking about well maybe right now i'm thinking about well maybe right now i'm thinking about well maybe i just won't do an ice bath tonight i just won't do an ice bath tonight i just won't do an ice bath tonight and that's okay you know it's okay to do and that's okay you know it's okay to do and that's okay you know it's okay to do that and that and that and so but but tonight after i eat a dinner so but but tonight after i eat a dinner so but but tonight after i eat a dinner it helps me not eat a big dinner too it helps me not eat a big dinner too it helps me not eat a big dinner too so i won't eat a big dinner that way but so i won't eat a big dinner that way but so i won't eat a big dinner that way but then i'll then i'll then i'll i'll put my son to bed around seven and i'll put my son to bed around seven and i'll put my son to bed around seven and then then i'll say okay next step i know where i'm i'll say okay next step i know where i'm
1:07i'll say okay next step i know where i'm going and so i i try to going and so i i try to going and so i i try to i try not to listen to the fear it still i try not to listen to the fear it still i try not to listen to the fear it still will be there will be there will be there but i know after practicing it long but i know after practicing it long but i know after practicing it long enough enough that fear has about it's got a that fear has about it's got a that fear has about it's got a it's got a few minutes all it has on me it's got a few minutes all it has on me it's got a few minutes all it has on me is a few minutes is a few minutes is a few minutes and then everything after that i've got and then everything after that i've got and then everything after that i've got and really it's only got a few and really it's only got a few and really it's only got a few seconds you know even just there those seconds you know even just there those seconds you know even just there those seconds might seconds might seconds might feel like minutes but just a few seconds feel like minutes but just a few seconds feel like minutes but just a few seconds and so and so and so i know that as i get on my trunks i know that as i get on my trunks i know that as i get on my trunks and i start listening to the music i'm and i start listening to the music i'm and i start listening to the music i'm preparing to go preparing to go preparing to go into that cold i know that if i slow my into that cold i know that if i slow my into that cold i know that if i slow my breathing down breathing down breathing down and i start to focus on okay whatever and i start to focus on okay whatever and i start to focus on okay whatever i know that i can do this this is i know that i can do this this is i know that i can do this this is something i've chosen to do something i've chosen to do something i've chosen to do i know i've got this and i've made all i know i've got this and i've made all i know i've got this and i've made all the right moves as far as the right moves as far as the right moves as far as safety and things okay all it is is just safety and things okay all it is is just safety and things okay all it is is just me getting into this uncomfortable
1:08me getting into this uncomfortable me getting into this uncomfortable situation situation situation that will not last forever and that will not last forever and that will not last forever and intellectually that helps however it's intellectually that helps however it's intellectually that helps however it's not about the intellect really not about the intellect really not about the intellect really the intellect is always going to fail the intellect is always going to fail the intellect is always going to fail you and that's why you and that's why you and that's why you make that decision and you let it you make that decision and you let it you make that decision and you let it happen and you prove to yourself on a happen and you prove to yourself on a happen and you prove to yourself on a regular basis regular basis regular basis i'm a lot stronger than i thought it was i'm a lot stronger than i thought it was i'm a lot stronger than i thought it was i'm a lot more powerful the cold is i'm a lot more powerful the cold is i'm a lot more powerful the cold is powerful powerful powerful yes the heat it's powerful i mean i've yes the heat it's powerful i mean i've yes the heat it's powerful i mean i've been in saunas where i'm just begging been in saunas where i'm just begging been in saunas where i'm just begging for mercy for mercy for mercy you know there there you have to get to you know there there you have to get to you know there there you have to get to those those uncomfortable places to get the benefits uncomfortable places to get the benefits uncomfortable places to get the benefits it's just like when you go to the gym it's just like when you go to the gym it's just like when you go to the gym you don't benefit from just walking you don't benefit from just walking you don't benefit from just walking around the gym and doing just enough around the gym and doing just enough around the gym and doing just enough reps so that you know people see you do reps so that you know people see you do reps so that you know people see you do wraps no you have to go to where you wraps no you have to go to where you wraps no you have to go to where you feel the burn to get any kind of benefit feel the burn to get any kind of benefit feel the burn to get any kind of benefit because you're stressing the body because you're stressing the body because you're stressing the body and you get the benefit same thing even and you get the benefit same thing even and you get the benefit same thing even with some with some with some with when it comes to like certain
1:09with when it comes to like certain with when it comes to like certain breathing techniques breathing techniques breathing techniques when it comes to breath holds to improve when it comes to breath holds to improve when it comes to breath holds to improve co2 tolerance co2 tolerance co2 tolerance there's a lot of things that we do when there's a lot of things that we do when there's a lot of things that we do when i train i train i train athletes with breath work that are athletes with breath work that are athletes with breath work that are uncomfortable uncomfortable but if you consistently make the but if you consistently make the but if you consistently make the decision decision decision you're going to see the results and you you're going to see the results and you you're going to see the results and you start to see yourself as that person start to see yourself as that person start to see yourself as that person who can make that decision we talk about nature you and i we share we talk about nature you and i we share this love of nature and so i asked this love of nature and so i asked this love of nature and so i asked a couple quick rapid fire questions a couple quick rapid fire questions a couple quick rapid fire questions jesse uh jesse uh jesse uh if you could have a mobile sauna and if you could have a mobile sauna and if you could have a mobile sauna and bring it anywhere in the world bring it anywhere in the world bring it anywhere in the world what would you like what's the first what would you like what's the first what would you like what's the first place that comes to mind for you place that comes to mind for you place that comes to mind for you well the the lake you you live on sounds well the the lake you you live on sounds well the the lake you you live on sounds pretty great i i would definitely want pretty great i i would definitely want pretty great i i would definitely want to be by to be by to be by a body of water um you know and i don't a body of water um you know and i don't a body of water um you know and i don't know if i know if i know if i i have a specific place to be but i i have a specific place to be but i i have a specific place to be but i would want to would want to would want to if i could have that at my disposal if i could have that at my disposal if i could have that at my disposal yeah i'm thinking camping i'm thinking yeah i'm thinking camping i'm thinking yeah i'm thinking camping i'm thinking uh uh uh just really letting it happen um
1:10just really letting it happen um just really letting it happen um and i'm looking at a frozen lake with a and i'm looking at a frozen lake with a and i'm looking at a frozen lake with a with a hole in it with a hole in it with a hole in it and if you could sauna with anybody in and if you could sauna with anybody in and if you could sauna with anybody in the world the world the world in the past the present the future uh in the past the present the future uh in the past the present the future uh dead or alive uh who's the first person dead or alive uh who's the first person dead or alive uh who's the first person that comes to mind for you oh geez that comes to mind for you oh geez that comes to mind for you oh geez that's that's a good one that's that's a good one that's that's a good one uh that's a long list i i would say uh that's a long list i i would say uh that's a long list i i would say right now i would want to right now i would want to right now i would want to um there's a guy named brian mckenzie uh um there's a guy named brian mckenzie uh um there's a guy named brian mckenzie uh i would like to sign with him just to uh i would like to sign with him just to uh i would like to sign with him just to uh just to pick his brain he's into all the just to pick his brain he's into all the just to pick his brain he's into all the same stuff we're into same stuff we're into same stuff we're into right now and what do you think is most right now and what do you think is most right now and what do you think is most misunderstood about misunderstood about misunderstood about about cold exposure cold training cold about cold exposure cold training cold about cold exposure cold training cold exposure specifically exposure specifically exposure specifically uh you know we've referenced this a uh you know we've referenced this a uh you know we've referenced this a couple of times those that aren't couple of times those that aren't couple of times those that aren't uh you know into it think we're crazy uh you know into it think we're crazy uh you know into it think we're crazy right you know right you know right you know um you know let's say you were uh you've um you know let's say you were uh you've um you know let's say you were uh you've probably done this you've probably probably done this you've probably probably done this you've probably spoken with spoken with spoken with the the the people that haven't the the the people that haven't the the the people that haven't experienced it what do you think is most
1:11experienced it what do you think is most experienced it what do you think is most misunderstood misunderstood misunderstood i think a lot of people think we do it i think a lot of people think we do it i think a lot of people think we do it to be macho to be macho to be macho or to you know something like that i or to you know something like that i or to you know something like that i think think also you know you were talking about also you know you were talking about also you know you were talking about this earlier this earlier this earlier the average person sees a sauna or the average person sees a sauna or the average person sees a sauna or in a gym with no instructions in a gym with no instructions in a gym with no instructions no teaching nobody knows how to use no teaching nobody knows how to use no teaching nobody knows how to use these things it's like i guess i go in these things it's like i guess i go in these things it's like i guess i go in here and i get hot here and i get hot here and i get hot you know they they see an ice bath they you know they they see an ice bath they you know they they see an ice bath they see see see first thing they think of uh is the first thing they think of uh is the first thing they think of uh is the polar bear club polar bear club polar bear club i don't understand these people they're i don't understand these people they're i don't understand these people they're weird they're crazy weird they're crazy weird they're crazy um they have something to prove um um they have something to prove um um they have something to prove um and and i think there's there's just a and and i think there's there's just a and and i think there's there's just a big misunderstanding big misunderstanding big misunderstanding as far as why the why and the how as far as why the why and the how as far as why the why and the how because there's a method you don't just because there's a method you don't just because there's a method you don't just go in there to get hot go in there to get hot go in there to get hot yeah i'm not just going in there to get yeah i'm not just going in there to get yeah i'm not just going in there to get cold i guess on a very fundamental level cold i guess on a very fundamental level cold i guess on a very fundamental level but you know this is why we need to but you know this is why we need to but you know this is why we need to educate people and
1:12educate people and educate people and and because i think you know i think and because i think you know i think and because i think you know i think this is something that everybody could this is something that everybody could this is something that everybody could benefit from benefit from benefit from heat and cold i mean it heat and cold i mean it heat and cold i mean it it's so good for you in so many ways so it's so good for you in so many ways so it's so good for you in so many ways so i think i think it comes down to i think i think it comes down to i think i think it comes down to education beautiful education beautiful education beautiful any final words jesse love the visit any final words jesse love the visit any final words jesse love the visit with you man it's uh yeah with you man it's uh yeah with you man it's uh yeah oh man this has been i could go for oh man this has been i could go for oh man this has been i could go for hours i think what i really do hours i think what i really do hours i think what i really do appreciate coming on appreciate coming on appreciate coming on and uh you know again thanks to louis and uh you know again thanks to louis and uh you know again thanks to louis for for for uh for introducing us um i uh uh for introducing us um i uh uh for introducing us um i uh i i i sent you uh some copies of my i i i sent you uh some copies of my i i i sent you uh some copies of my books and i hope they books and i hope they books and i hope they they have uh hope you've liked them i they have uh hope you've liked them i they have uh hope you've liked them i know you haven't had time to read all of know you haven't had time to read all of know you haven't had time to read all of them them them or both of them but uh you know if um if or both of them but uh you know if um if or both of them but uh you know if um if you're looking if you're looking if you're looking if uh those people who are listening are uh those people who are listening are uh those people who are listening are looking for ways to looking for ways to looking for ways to um get into the cold um a practical um get into the cold um a practical um get into the cold um a practical guide to guide to guide to cold training and then my most recent cold training and then my most recent cold training and then my most recent book uh a practical guide to breath work book uh a practical guide to breath work book uh a practical guide to breath work uh it's available on amazon now and uh uh it's available on amazon now and uh uh it's available on amazon now and uh we are we have so much that we don't
1:13we are we have so much that we don't we are we have so much that we don't understand about understand about understand about our physiology and our biology and we of our physiology and our biology and we of our physiology and our biology and we of course we were just talking about this course we were just talking about this course we were just talking about this you know you know we don't have to have science to tell us we don't have to have science to tell us we don't have to have science to tell us that it's real um it's nice that we do that it's real um it's nice that we do that it's real um it's nice that we do have science but um when you experience have science but um when you experience have science but um when you experience it for yourself it for yourself it for yourself then it really is real so so get into it then it really is real so so get into it then it really is real so so get into it uh you know hop in asana then hop in a uh you know hop in asana then hop in a uh you know hop in asana then hop in a cold cold cold lake and go back and forth until you lake and go back and forth until you lake and go back and forth until you just can't stand it anymore just can't stand it anymore just can't stand it anymore and um and and just get into it right on and um and and just get into it right on and um and and just get into it right on man well man well man well super super uh jessie cummer uh thank super super uh jessie cummer uh thank super super uh jessie cummer uh thank you you for for being on sauna talk again a a for for being on sauna talk again a a for for being on sauna talk again a a shout out shout out shout out uh louis lambert for suggesting this and uh louis lambert for suggesting this and uh louis lambert for suggesting this and uh those listening uh if you have guests uh those listening uh if you have guests uh those listening uh if you have guests that you that you that you uh would like for sauna talk here's a uh would like for sauna talk here's a uh would like for sauna talk here's a great example we great example we great example we you know i have a new great friend uh you know i have a new great friend uh you know i have a new great friend uh jesse and uh and i will link in the show jesse and uh and i will link in the show jesse and uh and i will link in the show notes notes
1:14notes to both of jesse's books and uh to both of jesse's books and uh to both of jesse's books and uh encourage you to dialogue with him encourage you to dialogue with him encourage you to dialogue with him and keep it going uh jesse i'll let you and keep it going uh jesse i'll let you and keep it going uh jesse i'll let you uh take us out uh take us out uh take us out any any final uh final word about uh you any any final uh final word about uh you any any final uh final word about uh you and i taking a sauna together one day and i taking a sauna together one day and i taking a sauna together one day or any final word to listeners well i or any final word to listeners well i or any final word to listeners well i i look forward to someday making it up i look forward to someday making it up i look forward to someday making it up to uh to to uh to to uh to to your area and i want to uh i'd like to your area and i want to uh i'd like to your area and i want to uh i'd like to experience to experience to experience i always like experiencing what an i always like experiencing what an i always like experiencing what an expert in their expert in their expert in their in their field right this is how asana in their field right this is how asana in their field right this is how asana should feel right whenever i make an ice should feel right whenever i make an ice should feel right whenever i make an ice bath i'm like hey guys this is what an bath i'm like hey guys this is what an bath i'm like hey guys this is what an eyesight eyesight eyesight i'm looking forward to that and so i i'm looking forward to that and so i i'm looking forward to that and so i really appreciate getting the chance to really appreciate getting the chance to really appreciate getting the chance to connect with you connect with you connect with you and uh thanks to your audience for uh and uh thanks to your audience for uh and uh thanks to your audience for uh for listening and for listening and for listening and i appreciate the opportunity