Trying Cold Plunge Sauna w Mike Mutzel Risks Benefits Discussion 59 Field Trip 1
00:00[Music] [Music] I don't for what is it amino acid I don't for what is it amino acid I don't for what is it amino acid interestingly many of these things have interestingly many of these things have interestingly many of these things have so it was very beneficial for my name is so it was very beneficial for my name is so it was very beneficial for my name is Matt cine and welcome to the optis ban podcast hey everyone welcome to the podcast hey everyone welcome to the optis span podcast on today's episode optis span podcast on today's episode optis span podcast on today's episode Nick and I are going to kind of do a Nick and I are going to kind of do a Nick and I are going to kind of do a pretty highlevel conversation around uh pretty highlevel conversation around uh pretty highlevel conversation around uh sauna and cold plunge um in part this is sauna and cold plunge um in part this is sauna and cold plunge um in part this is inspired by you know the proliferation I inspired by you know the proliferation I inspired by you know the proliferation I think of information out there and some think of information out there and some think of information out there and some influencers who really uh emphasize influencers who really uh emphasize influencers who really uh emphasize these as important tools for longevity these as important tools for longevity these as important tools for longevity or sort of overall quality of life um or sort of overall quality of life um or sort of overall quality of life um and also the opportunity to go visit our and also the opportunity to go visit our and also the opportunity to go visit our friend Mike mutell who uh is local and friend Mike mutell who uh is local and friend Mike mutell who uh is local and actually has a really nice sauna to just actually has a really nice sauna to just actually has a really nice sauna to just to just try it out so I uh personally uh to just try it out so I uh personally uh to just try it out so I uh personally uh have never done cold plunge per se so I have never done cold plunge per se so I have never done cold plunge per se so I had one experience with a Polar Bear
01:00had one experience with a Polar Bear had one experience with a Polar Bear Plunge on New Year's Day in uh Lake Plunge on New Year's Day in uh Lake Plunge on New Year's Day in uh Lake samamish which is a local Lake but I've samamish which is a local Lake but I've samamish which is a local Lake but I've never actually done sauna cold plunge never actually done sauna cold plunge never actually done sauna cold plunge sauna before and so so my sort of views sauna before and so so my sort of views sauna before and so so my sort of views on this topic really come from having on this topic really come from having on this topic really come from having never tried it and of course it's better never tried it and of course it's better never tried it and of course it's better to uh to have actually experienced it so to uh to have actually experienced it so to uh to have actually experienced it so um so we went out and uh actually did um so we went out and uh actually did um so we went out and uh actually did the whole thing with Mike and then sat the whole thing with Mike and then sat the whole thing with Mike and then sat down for an interview with him so Nick down for an interview with him so Nick down for an interview with him so Nick what's your experience with sauna and what's your experience with sauna and what's your experience with sauna and cold plunge going into this yeah a lot cold plunge going into this yeah a lot cold plunge going into this yeah a lot more with SAA I used should used to do more with SAA I used should used to do more with SAA I used should used to do it probably two to three times a week it probably two to three times a week it probably two to three times a week for almost eight years when I worked at for almost eight years when I worked at for almost eight years when I worked at Pro Club just kind of on my lunch break Pro Club just kind of on my lunch break Pro Club just kind of on my lunch break I just go and do the sauna 15 minutes I just go and do the sauna 15 minutes I just go and do the sauna 15 minutes around 180 degrees um never have done a around 180 degrees um never have done a around 180 degrees um never have done a that was my second cold plch so my first that was my second cold plch so my first that was my second cold plch so my first one was with Mike mutel so the same one one was with Mike mutel so the same one one was with Mike mutel so the same one that you did around 35 degrees that was that you did around 35 degrees that was that you did around 35 degrees that was back in January so the day before I back in January so the day before I back in January so the day before I started here at op span and then my started here at op span and then my started here at op span and then my second one was with you guys a couple second one was with you guys a couple second one was with you guys a couple days ago okay interesting cool and um so days ago okay interesting cool and um so days ago okay interesting cool and um so why did you do Ona previously like what
02:00why did you do Ona previously like what why did you do Ona previously like what was it that made you decide that was was it that made you decide that was was it that made you decide that was something you wanted to do regularly something you wanted to do regularly something you wanted to do regularly yeah I never did it for like thinking yeah I never did it for like thinking yeah I never did it for like thinking this would make me live longer it's more this would make me live longer it's more this would make me live longer it's more so for the mental the de-stress it's the so for the mental the de-stress it's the so for the mental the de-stress it's the one place the 30 minutes a week where I one place the 30 minutes a week where I one place the 30 minutes a week where I don't have my cell phone where I don't don't have my cell phone where I don't don't have my cell phone where I don't have any anything electronic I'm just have any anything electronic I'm just have any anything electronic I'm just kind of uh there I actually had a lot of kind of uh there I actually had a lot of kind of uh there I actually had a lot of great conversations with members so I great conversations with members so I great conversations with members so I would just kind of learn more about would just kind of learn more about would just kind of learn more about their sort of view of the club and just their sort of view of the club and just their sort of view of the club and just feedback I could help so it was just a feedback I could help so it was just a feedback I could help so it was just a good sort of community SL mental health good sort of community SL mental health good sort of community SL mental health and you had sort of easy access to a a and you had sort of easy access to a a and you had sort of easy access to a a convenient sauna as well at that time convenient sauna as well at that time convenient sauna as well at that time yeah absolutely yeah I missed that we yeah absolutely yeah I missed that we yeah absolutely yeah I missed that we need to get one here yeah okay uh and I need to get one here yeah okay uh and I need to get one here yeah okay uh and I think you know so this question around think you know so this question around think you know so this question around you know are these really do they do you know are these really do they do you know are these really do they do they even belong under the sort of they even belong under the sort of they even belong under the sort of longevity umbrella I think it's still an longevity umbrella I think it's still an longevity umbrella I think it's still an open question um I think you know the open question um I think you know the open question um I think you know the evidence in support of sauna or sauna evidence in support of sauna or sauna evidence in support of sauna or sauna cold plunge uh for longevity you know cold plunge uh for longevity you know cold plunge uh for longevity you know largely comes from correlative studies
03:00largely comes from correlative studies largely comes from correlative studies of European populations primarily of European populations primarily of European populations primarily Scandinavian where there's some Scandinavian where there's some Scandinavian where there's some association between Health outcomes and association between Health outcomes and association between Health outcomes and and use of sauna but I think the data is and use of sauna but I think the data is and use of sauna but I think the data is pretty weak from a compelling pretty weak from a compelling pretty weak from a compelling perspective now you can point to some perspective now you can point to some perspective now you can point to some potential mechanisms that could tie into potential mechanisms that could tie into potential mechanisms that could tie into longevity I think most people if you're longevity I think most people if you're longevity I think most people if you're talking think about like a molecular talking think about like a molecular talking think about like a molecular mechanism would say you know there's mechanism would say you know there's mechanism would say you know there's some evidence in invertebrate animal some evidence in invertebrate animal some evidence in invertebrate animal celegans in particular that if you celegans in particular that if you celegans in particular that if you upregulate heat shock proteins these are upregulate heat shock proteins these are upregulate heat shock proteins these are proteins that get induced by heat that proteins that get induced by heat that proteins that get induced by heat that that can have proong longevity benefits that can have proong longevity benefits that can have proong longevity benefits there's a a transcription Factor called there's a a transcription Factor called there's a a transcription Factor called heat shock Factor one that if you heat shock Factor one that if you heat shock Factor one that if you overexpress increases lifespan in overexpress increases lifespan in overexpress increases lifespan in cagans that would be expected to uh cagans that would be expected to uh cagans that would be expected to uh improve what's called protein improve what's called protein improve what's called protein homeostasis so ability to homeostasis so ability to homeostasis so ability to restore appropriate structured a restore appropriate structured a restore appropriate structured a misfolded protein so you can get pretty misfolded protein so you can get pretty misfolded protein so you can get pretty speculative and it's pretty speculative speculative and it's pretty speculative speculative and it's pretty speculative but there is evidence that repeated heat
04:00but there is evidence that repeated heat but there is evidence that repeated heat shock or increased expression of these shock or increased expression of these shock or increased expression of these heat shock proteins is associated with heat shock proteins is associated with heat shock proteins is associated with longevity at least in worms now again longevity at least in worms now again longevity at least in worms now again outside of that I think the evidence outside of that I think the evidence outside of that I think the evidence that uh repeated heat shock is a that uh repeated heat shock is a that uh repeated heat shock is a longevity intervention is lacking so I longevity intervention is lacking so I longevity intervention is lacking so I don't personally think there's a bunch don't personally think there's a bunch don't personally think there's a bunch of evidence to support the idea that of evidence to support the idea that of evidence to support the idea that repeated sauna or sauna cold plunge is repeated sauna or sauna cold plunge is repeated sauna or sauna cold plunge is going to have a similar sort of going to have a similar sort of going to have a similar sort of mechanistic impact in people but it is mechanistic impact in people but it is mechanistic impact in people but it is possible I think the other thing people possible I think the other thing people possible I think the other thing people will point to are studies suggesting will point to are studies suggesting will point to are studies suggesting that you know sauna in particular can that you know sauna in particular can that you know sauna in particular can improve vasod dilation so blood flow uh improve vasod dilation so blood flow uh improve vasod dilation so blood flow uh increase heart rate and I know this is increase heart rate and I know this is increase heart rate and I know this is something you mentioned so we should something you mentioned so we should something you mentioned so we should touch on that so your heart rate will go touch on that so your heart rate will go touch on that so your heart rate will go up in the sauna uh reduced blood up in the sauna uh reduced blood up in the sauna uh reduced blood pressure probably you know anti-anxiety pressure probably you know anti-anxiety pressure probably you know anti-anxiety or reduced stress detoxification is or reduced stress detoxification is or reduced stress detoxification is another thing we kind of talked about another thing we kind of talked about another thing we kind of talked about with Mike the idea that you're sweating with Mike the idea that you're sweating with Mike the idea that you're sweating out toxins um and potential out toxins um and potential out toxins um and potential anti-inflammatory effects all of which anti-inflammatory effects all of which anti-inflammatory effects all of which could be beneficial
05:00could be beneficial could be beneficial um so you had mentioned I think in our um so you had mentioned I think in our um so you had mentioned I think in our conversation in the sauna that uh the conversation in the sauna that uh the conversation in the sauna that uh the increased heart rate was one of the increased heart rate was one of the increased heart rate was one of the things that you thought about as a things that you thought about as a things that you thought about as a potential benefit of from sauna and how potential benefit of from sauna and how potential benefit of from sauna and how that compares to cardio exercise and that compares to cardio exercise and that compares to cardio exercise and things like that yeah like if you have things like that yeah like if you have things like that yeah like if you have time to do both that'd be great but if time to do both that'd be great but if time to do both that'd be great but if you have someone who you for the life of you have someone who you for the life of you have someone who you for the life of you they won't do cardio it might be the you they won't do cardio it might be the you they won't do cardio it might be the next best thing of like let's still get next best thing of like let's still get next best thing of like let's still get your heart rate up let's still get you your heart rate up let's still get you your heart rate up let's still get you sweating kind of that blood flow uh in sweating kind of that blood flow uh in sweating kind of that blood flow uh in the sauna you're not getting the the sauna you're not getting the the sauna you're not getting the mechanical stress working out but it's mechanical stress working out but it's mechanical stress working out but it's better than nothing it's kind of one way better than nothing it's kind of one way better than nothing it's kind of one way I thought about it yeah yeah I mean I thought about it yeah yeah I mean I thought about it yeah yeah I mean again it's interesting and I don't know again it's interesting and I don't know again it's interesting and I don't know enough about the literature here to enough about the literature here to enough about the literature here to really be able to um comment on what the really be able to um comment on what the really be able to um comment on what the current thinking is as to how beneficial current thinking is as to how beneficial current thinking is as to how beneficial it is to increase your heart rate it is to increase your heart rate it is to increase your heart rate through repeated Sauna versus exercise I through repeated Sauna versus exercise I through repeated Sauna versus exercise I mean again as you mentioned I think mean again as you mentioned I think mean again as you mentioned I think there are many things that exercise is there are many things that exercise is there are many things that exercise is going to do for you that sauna won't going to do for you that sauna won't going to do for you that sauna won't there are probably some things sauna there are probably some things sauna there are probably some things sauna will do for you that exercise won't will do for you that exercise won't will do for you that exercise won't relative benefits I think you have to relative benefits I think you have to relative benefits I think you have to give obviously the nod to exercise but
06:00give obviously the nod to exercise but give obviously the nod to exercise but as you said if you're if you can't do as you said if you're if you can't do as you said if you're if you can't do exercise or you only have time to do one exercise or you only have time to do one exercise or you only have time to do one maybe on a rest day sauna would still be maybe on a rest day sauna would still be maybe on a rest day sauna would still be a way to get your heart rate up and a way to get your heart rate up and a way to get your heart rate up and again the other effects of phaso again the other effects of phaso again the other effects of phaso dilation potentially reduced stress dilation potentially reduced stress dilation potentially reduced stress resistance all all compelling reasons resistance all all compelling reasons resistance all all compelling reasons why Sonic could be beneficial now you why Sonic could be beneficial now you why Sonic could be beneficial now you know as we've talked about before know as we've talked about before know as we've talked about before anytime you think about an intervention anytime you think about an intervention anytime you think about an intervention and benefits you want to do the and benefits you want to do the and benefits you want to do the corresponding risk analysis so what's corresponding risk analysis so what's corresponding risk analysis so what's the risk reward I think most most people the risk reward I think most most people the risk reward I think most most people would think the risk is pretty low from would think the risk is pretty low from would think the risk is pretty low from sauna and I agree it probably it is but sauna and I agree it probably it is but sauna and I agree it probably it is but it's not zero and I actually know a guy it's not zero and I actually know a guy it's not zero and I actually know a guy who passed out in his sauna and he who passed out in his sauna and he who passed out in his sauna and he passed out I think it I think it was passed out I think it I think it was passed out I think it I think it was like this with his arm sort of pinned like this with his arm sort of pinned like this with his arm sort of pinned behind him actually got his arm behind him actually got his arm behind him actually got his arm amputated wow so it does happen and I amputated wow so it does happen and I amputated wow so it does happen and I know somebody who this happened to so know somebody who this happened to so know somebody who this happened to so there are risks even if they are low um there are risks even if they are low um there are risks even if they are low um people die in the sauna and passing out people die in the sauna and passing out people die in the sauna and passing out due to low blood pressure burns from the due to low blood pressure burns from the due to low blood pressure burns from the sauna dehydration
07:00sauna dehydration sauna dehydration um risk of arhythmia heart attack other um risk of arhythmia heart attack other um risk of arhythmia heart attack other cardiovascular issues I think those are cardiovascular issues I think those are cardiovascular issues I think those are all unlikely but real and again I don't all unlikely but real and again I don't all unlikely but real and again I don't know exactly what the data is but just know exactly what the data is but just know exactly what the data is but just in a quick Google search suggests in a quick Google search suggests in a quick Google search suggests probably around 20 deaths per year due probably around 20 deaths per year due probably around 20 deaths per year due to SAA use in Finland where this is like to SAA use in Finland where this is like to SAA use in Finland where this is like really popular uh many of those are also really popular uh many of those are also really popular uh many of those are also associated with alcohol use so again you associated with alcohol use so again you associated with alcohol use so again you kind of have to you know have to kind of have to you know have to kind of have to you know have to understand context definitely a good understand context definitely a good understand context definitely a good idea not to sauna and alcohol at the idea not to sauna and alcohol at the idea not to sauna and alcohol at the same time but it is same time but it is same time but it is it is part of any rational approach to a it is part of any rational approach to a it is part of any rational approach to a health intervention to really try to health intervention to really try to health intervention to really try to think through what is what are the risks think through what is what are the risks think through what is what are the risks what are the rewards where does that what are the rewards where does that what are the rewards where does that fall and then if there are risks what fall and then if there are risks what fall and then if there are risks what can I do to minimize my risks and so I can I do to minimize my risks and so I can I do to minimize my risks and so I think one obvious thing I already think one obvious thing I already think one obvious thing I already mentioned alcohol another obvious thing mentioned alcohol another obvious thing mentioned alcohol another obvious thing is just don't do it alone right so the is just don't do it alone right so the is just don't do it alone right so the guy I know he was doing it alone and guy I know he was doing it alone and guy I know he was doing it alone and fortunately his wife found him or he fortunately his wife found him or he fortunately his wife found him or he wouldn't be here today um so it does wouldn't be here today um so it does wouldn't be here today um so it does happen accidents do happen in on is and happen accidents do happen in on is and
08:00happen accidents do happen in on is and it's worth understanding that yeah I it's worth understanding that yeah I it's worth understanding that yeah I think that's good advice and that's think that's good advice and that's think that's good advice and that's something Mike muttle said is he does a something Mike muttle said is he does a something Mike muttle said is he does a lot of you know cant meetings friends lot of you know cant meetings friends lot of you know cant meetings friends and family neighbors so it's it's and family neighbors so it's it's and family neighbors so it's it's Community thing for him yeah and I mean Community thing for him yeah and I mean Community thing for him yeah and I mean I think that's a that's an added value I think that's a that's an added value I think that's a that's an added value right if you use sauna as part of a right if you use sauna as part of a right if you use sauna as part of a community relationship uh tool right it community relationship uh tool right it community relationship uh tool right it also hits that connect pillar which as also hits that connect pillar which as also hits that connect pillar which as as we've sort of discussed in other as we've sort of discussed in other as we've sort of discussed in other episodes is one that is weak for a lot episodes is one that is weak for a lot episodes is one that is weak for a lot of people so that's a that's a indirect of people so that's a that's a indirect of people so that's a that's a indirect potential benefit depending on how you potential benefit depending on how you potential benefit depending on how you use it and you guys discussed that in use it and you guys discussed that in use it and you guys discussed that in your interview which will be on his your interview which will be on his your interview which will be on his channel so high intensity Health channel so high intensity Health channel so high intensity Health probably probably by the time this is probably probably by the time this is probably probably by the time this is posted should be out yeah so what about posted should be out yeah so what about posted should be out yeah so what about cold plunge again uh I don't I can't cold plunge again uh I don't I can't cold plunge again uh I don't I can't really think of any direct evidence even really think of any direct evidence even really think of any direct evidence even in a very speculative way that would in a very speculative way that would in a very speculative way that would suggest that cold plunge is a longevity suggest that cold plunge is a longevity suggest that cold plunge is a longevity intervention in the sense of you know intervention in the sense of you know intervention in the sense of you know have there been studies where this has have there been studies where this has have there been studies where this has been looked at in the context of been looked at in the context of been looked at in the context of lifespan um probably about the best you
09:00lifespan um probably about the best you lifespan um probably about the best you could do would be to say there are could do would be to say there are could do would be to say there are studies that that lower core body studies that that lower core body studies that that lower core body temperature in animals is associated temperature in animals is associated temperature in animals is associated with longer lifespan with longer lifespan with longer lifespan but that's really speculative so I don't but that's really speculative so I don't but that's really speculative so I don't think there's much to suggest that cold think there's much to suggest that cold think there's much to suggest that cold Plunge in and of itself is a longevity Plunge in and of itself is a longevity Plunge in and of itself is a longevity mechanism for sort of broader health mechanism for sort of broader health mechanism for sort of broader health benefits a lot of people will will point benefits a lot of people will will point benefits a lot of people will will point to reduced muscle soreness improved to reduced muscle soreness improved to reduced muscle soreness improved recovery from exercise certainly you recovery from exercise certainly you recovery from exercise certainly you know ice baths have been used by know ice baths have been used by know ice baths have been used by athletes for decades right for this athletes for decades right for this athletes for decades right for this reason so I'm sure there's reality there reason so I'm sure there's reality there reason so I'm sure there's reality there the cold will actually be the cold will actually be the cold will actually be vasoconstrictive so the combination of vasoconstrictive so the combination of vasoconstrictive so the combination of sauna cold plunge sauna could have sort sauna cold plunge sauna could have sort sauna cold plunge sauna could have sort of interesting effects on the of interesting effects on the of interesting effects on the circulatory system by increasing circulatory system by increasing circulatory system by increasing reducing increasing blood flow um and reducing increasing blood flow um and reducing increasing blood flow um and then of course many people will talk then of course many people will talk then of course many people will talk about improved mood feeling less stress about improved mood feeling less stress about improved mood feeling less stress being more alert after doing the cold being more alert after doing the cold being more alert after doing the cold plunge or the the ccle of sauna cold
10:00plunge or the the ccle of sauna cold plunge or the the ccle of sauna cold plunge sauna um and again I think those plunge sauna um and again I think those plunge sauna um and again I think those things are all probably real probably things are all probably real probably things are all probably real probably very individual you and I both know an very individual you and I both know an very individual you and I both know an individual who swears that a lot of his individual who swears that a lot of his individual who swears that a lot of his chronic pain uh has been improved by chronic pain uh has been improved by chronic pain uh has been improved by regular SAA cold plunge use and so for regular SAA cold plunge use and so for regular SAA cold plunge use and so for him at least it's a real thing it him at least it's a real thing it him at least it's a real thing it definitely has that effect yeah the definitely has that effect yeah the definitely has that effect yeah the mental aspect of it like the The Joe mental aspect of it like the The Joe mental aspect of it like the The Joe rogans of the world they it's just rogans of the world they it's just rogans of the world they it's just starting your day doing something you starting your day doing something you starting your day doing something you don't want to do yeah and then having don't want to do yeah and then having don't want to do yeah and then having that momentum carried forward is kind of that momentum carried forward is kind of that momentum carried forward is kind of like a common thing I'll hear old punch like a common thing I'll hear old punch like a common thing I'll hear old punch people talk about yeah I mean I think people talk about yeah I mean I think people talk about yeah I mean I think that's a little bit harder to quantify that's a little bit harder to quantify that's a little bit harder to quantify but the idea that you feel a sense of but the idea that you feel a sense of but the idea that you feel a sense of accomplishment right to some extent from accomplishment right to some extent from accomplishment right to some extent from doing something that is maybe not doing something that is maybe not doing something that is maybe not natural maybe not fun again I I don't natural maybe not fun again I I don't natural maybe not fun again I I don't know some people like I think the cold know some people like I think the cold know some people like I think the cold plunge aspect of it but uh and I think plunge aspect of it but uh and I think plunge aspect of it but uh and I think for some people there's maybe even a for some people there's maybe even a for some people there's maybe even a confidence boost that goes along with it confidence boost that goes along with it confidence boost that goes along with it the idea that even if it's this this you the idea that even if it's this this you the idea that even if it's this this you know thing that is not life-threatening know thing that is not life-threatening know thing that is not life-threatening right it is a little bit of a it's a right it is a little bit of a it's a right it is a little bit of a it's a hard thing for some people people and hard thing for some people people and hard thing for some people people and it's like yep I can do that I can do it
11:00it's like yep I can do that I can do it it's like yep I can do that I can do it and I can I can accomplish this um so uh and I can I can accomplish this um so uh and I can I can accomplish this um so uh the other thing is this idea of sauna the other thing is this idea of sauna the other thing is this idea of sauna cold plunge sauna right which is I guess cold plunge sauna right which is I guess cold plunge sauna right which is I guess called contrast therapy could be called contrast therapy could be called contrast therapy could be different from sauna alone or cold different from sauna alone or cold different from sauna alone or cold plunge alone in fact would be different plunge alone in fact would be different plunge alone in fact would be different from and and again I don't know how from and and again I don't know how from and and again I don't know how strong the data is one way or the other strong the data is one way or the other strong the data is one way or the other on on the contrast therapy as opposed to on on the contrast therapy as opposed to on on the contrast therapy as opposed to sauna alone versus cold punch alone but sauna alone versus cold punch alone but sauna alone versus cold punch alone but you mentioned that you think doing sauna you mentioned that you think doing sauna you mentioned that you think doing sauna first helped you go longer in the cold first helped you go longer in the cold first helped you go longer in the cold punch punch punch well yeah I mean I I I think almost well yeah I mean I I I think almost well yeah I mean I I I think almost certainly that's true uh for me certainly that's true uh for me certainly that's true uh for me personally I think that's true but uh personally I think that's true but uh personally I think that's true but uh haven't done the corresponding haven't done the corresponding haven't done the corresponding experiment except for that Polar Bear experiment except for that Polar Bear experiment except for that Polar Bear Plunge where I did not have a sauna Plunge where I did not have a sauna Plunge where I did not have a sauna first and I was first and I was first and I was cold um okay so what are the so we cold um okay so what are the so we cold um okay so what are the so we talked about potential benefits what are talked about potential benefits what are talked about potential benefits what are the risks of cold plunge again I think the risks of cold plunge again I think the risks of cold plunge again I think it's pretty obvious hypothermia you stay it's pretty obvious hypothermia you stay it's pretty obvious hypothermia you stay in there too long you're going to die in there too long you're going to die in there too long you're going to die just like in AA so same rules apply just like in AA so same rules apply just like in AA so same rules apply probably shouldn't be having a lot of probably shouldn't be having a lot of probably shouldn't be having a lot of alcohol before doing a cold plunge
12:00alcohol before doing a cold plunge alcohol before doing a cold plunge probably shouldn't do it alone uh I probably shouldn't do it alone uh I probably shouldn't do it alone uh I think in people who are prone to think in people who are prone to think in people who are prone to cardiovascular stress that could be a cardiovascular stress that could be a cardiovascular stress that could be a precipitating factor for heart attack or precipitating factor for heart attack or precipitating factor for heart attack or other cardiovascular problems breathing other cardiovascular problems breathing other cardiovascular problems breathing difficulty I think is pretty common you difficulty I think is pretty common you difficulty I think is pretty common you experienced this yeah um so in some experienced this yeah um so in some experienced this yeah um so in some people this causes a a Bronco people this causes a a Bronco people this causes a a Bronco constriction right where their lungs constriction right where their lungs constriction right where their lungs sort of right and that seemed to be sort of right and that seemed to be sort of right and that seemed to be something that you experienced yeah something that you experienced yeah something that you experienced yeah we'll show the footage we'll show the we'll show the footage we'll show the we'll show the footage we'll show the video so happened both times second time video so happened both times second time video so happened both times second time was a lot better first time the entire was a lot better first time the entire was a lot better first time the entire minute I was I could find that video but minute I was I could find that video but minute I was I could find that video but I was uh I couldn't control my breath I was uh I couldn't control my breath I was uh I couldn't control my breath yeah that which is really interesting so yeah that which is really interesting so yeah that which is really interesting so and I wonder that made me wonder is this and I wonder that made me wonder is this and I wonder that made me wonder is this it all related to this this phenomenon it all related to this this phenomenon it all related to this this phenomenon of cold induced asthma right but and I of cold induced asthma right but and I of cold induced asthma right but and I don't I think it probably isn't because don't I think it probably isn't because don't I think it probably isn't because I didn't feel that at all in the cold I didn't feel that at all in the cold I didn't feel that at all in the cold plunge but if I this is something I plunge but if I this is something I plunge but if I this is something I didn't even I mean I've always had this didn't even I mean I've always had this didn't even I mean I've always had this issue but I didn't recognize it until issue but I didn't recognize it until issue but I didn't recognize it until probably five years ago what it actually probably five years ago what it actually probably five years ago what it actually was um if the air is cold and I'm uh was um if the air is cold and I'm uh was um if the air is cold and I'm uh exercising to a point where I'm you know
13:00exercising to a point where I'm you know exercising to a point where I'm you know I'm breathing more rapidly uh I get I'm breathing more rapidly uh I get I'm breathing more rapidly uh I get asthma symptoms and I've always had like asthma symptoms and I've always had like asthma symptoms and I've always had like chest pain and or I'm coughing for the chest pain and or I'm coughing for the chest pain and or I'm coughing for the rest of the day after exercising in cold rest of the day after exercising in cold rest of the day after exercising in cold air and it's this thing called cold air and it's this thing called cold air and it's this thing called cold induced asthma and so the solution is induced asthma and so the solution is induced asthma and so the solution is you just wear something over your mouth you just wear something over your mouth you just wear something over your mouth a gator or something like that neck a gator or something like that neck a gator or something like that neck Gator no you just wear something over Gator no you just wear something over Gator no you just wear something over your mouth cloth so that the air coming your mouth cloth so that the air coming your mouth cloth so that the air coming in isn't as cold completely took care of in isn't as cold completely took care of in isn't as cold completely took care of it for me so there's a tip any of you it for me so there's a tip any of you it for me so there's a tip any of you who when you exercise outside on a who when you exercise outside on a who when you exercise outside on a moderately or very cold day experience moderately or very cold day experience moderately or very cold day experience asthma symptoms or coughing or tickling asthma symptoms or coughing or tickling asthma symptoms or coughing or tickling in your throat or lungs try just getting in your throat or lungs try just getting in your throat or lungs try just getting a neck Gator putting it up over your a neck Gator putting it up over your a neck Gator putting it up over your mouth and nose completely takes care of mouth and nose completely takes care of mouth and nose completely takes care of it for me so that's been a GameChanger it for me so that's been a GameChanger it for me so that's been a GameChanger for me actually good to know I'm not for me actually good to know I'm not for me actually good to know I'm not sure if this is related but I have sure if this is related but I have sure if this is related but I have pretty severe asthma as a child like pretty severe asthma as a child like pretty severe asthma as a child like inhaler and doctor visits the whole inhaler and doctor visits the whole inhaler and doctor visits the whole thing so I grew out of it it's kind of thing so I grew out of it it's kind of thing so I grew out of it it's kind of like a good track athlete in junior high like a good track athlete in junior high like a good track athlete in junior high high school but I don't know if there's high school but I don't know if there's high school but I don't know if there's maybe something related there or not but maybe something related there or not but maybe something related there or not but could be yeah any case uh yeah I never
14:00could be yeah any case uh yeah I never could be yeah any case uh yeah I never had asthma which is why I never picked had asthma which is why I never picked had asthma which is why I never picked up on what this was until I don't know I up on what this was until I don't know I up on what this was until I don't know I was I was doing I think it was actually was I was doing I think it was actually was I was doing I think it was actually during covid when uh our local gym during covid when uh our local gym during covid when uh our local gym closed and they started having outdoor closed and they started having outdoor closed and they started having outdoor exercise classes right and so we would exercise classes right and so we would exercise classes right and so we would go to the local park you know be like 6: go to the local park you know be like 6: go to the local park you know be like 6: a.m. steam coming out of your mouth and a.m. steam coming out of your mouth and a.m. steam coming out of your mouth and I was having this problem breathing and I was having this problem breathing and I was having this problem breathing and the instructor was like did you ever did the instructor was like did you ever did the instructor was like did you ever did you ever think that maybe this is what's you ever think that maybe this is what's you ever think that maybe this is what's going on fixed it so anyways uh pay going on fixed it so anyways uh pay going on fixed it so anyways uh pay something to pay attention to if you get something to pay attention to if you get something to pay attention to if you get in the cold plunge and have trouble in the cold plunge and have trouble in the cold plunge and have trouble breathing that's probably what's going breathing that's probably what's going breathing that's probably what's going on it's not uncommon apparently there's on it's not uncommon apparently there's on it's not uncommon apparently there's something called trench foot which maybe something called trench foot which maybe something called trench foot which maybe that's what Mike was alluding to when I that's what Mike was alluding to when I that's what Mike was alluding to when I was in there for three plus minutes and was in there for three plus minutes and was in there for three plus minutes and he's like how do your feet feel uh he's like how do your feet feel uh he's like how do your feet feel uh apparently this is another common thing apparently this is another common thing apparently this is another common thing pain swelling but it can lead to tissue pain swelling but it can lead to tissue pain swelling but it can lead to tissue damage so again you think about risks damage so again you think about risks damage so again you think about risks you want to just be aware of what could you want to just be aware of what could you want to just be aware of what could go wrong even if it's uh even if it's go wrong even if it's uh even if it's go wrong even if it's uh even if it's pretty rare okay yeah yes so I wanted to pretty rare okay yeah yes so I wanted to pretty rare okay yeah yes so I wanted to sort of talk about just what the day sort of talk about just what the day sort of talk about just what the day looked like you know our morning hanging looked like you know our morning hanging looked like you know our morning hanging now with Mike mutzel and uh your first
15:00now with Mike mutzel and uh your first now with Mike mutzel and uh your first time doing a gold plunge so we got in time doing a gold plunge so we got in time doing a gold plunge so we got in around 8:00 a.m. he fired up his classic around 8:00 a.m. he fired up his classic around 8:00 a.m. he fired up his classic finish sauna so it's you're actually finish sauna so it's you're actually finish sauna so it's you're actually burning the wood which is pretty burning the wood which is pretty burning the wood which is pretty interesting y the cold plunge was set to interesting y the cold plunge was set to interesting y the cold plunge was set to 35 degre so we kind of chat we went in 35 degre so we kind of chat we went in 35 degre so we kind of chat we went in we had a great conversation about I we had a great conversation about I we had a great conversation about I think we did 20 minutes around 200 to think we did 20 minutes around 200 to think we did 20 minutes around 200 to 220 degrees a higher humidity than most 220 degrees a higher humidity than most 220 degrees a higher humidity than most saunas he was actually kind of pouring saunas he was actually kind of pouring saunas he was actually kind of pouring water yeah could you feel when you pour water yeah could you feel when you pour water yeah could you feel when you pour the water how it kind of the humidity the water how it kind of the humidity the water how it kind of the humidity hit yeah one thing I thought was hit yeah one thing I thought was hit yeah one thing I thought was interesting is how quickly both of you interesting is how quickly both of you interesting is how quickly both of you just the sweat was coming off and I just the sweat was coming off and I just the sweat was coming off and I hadn't even really started sweating yeah hadn't even really started sweating yeah hadn't even really started sweating yeah uh certainly by the time we got to 20 uh certainly by the time we got to 20 uh certainly by the time we got to 20 minutes I was but it was just minutes I was but it was just minutes I was but it was just interesting the difference and and I interesting the difference and and I interesting the difference and and I don't remember whether it was you or don't remember whether it was you or don't remember whether it was you or Mike but one of you said that uh you Mike but one of you said that uh you Mike but one of you said that uh you know there may even be an adaptation if know there may even be an adaptation if know there may even be an adaptation if you sauna a lot your body adapts and you you sauna a lot your body adapts and you you sauna a lot your body adapts and you go into that mode of of active sweating go into that mode of of active sweating go into that mode of of active sweating faster I don't I don't know if that's faster I don't I don't know if that's faster I don't I don't know if that's true but he was way more than me so true but he was way more than me so true but he was way more than me so we're kind of sweating in order of who we're kind of sweating in order of who we're kind of sweating in order of who does the mo so there something maybe does the mo so there something maybe does the mo so there something maybe something there uh yes I talked about he something there uh yes I talked about he something there uh yes I talked about he uses it for social and everything um uses it for social and everything um
16:00uses it for social and everything um great conversation maybe gave me the great conversation maybe gave me the great conversation maybe gave me the idea of like if only we could film idea of like if only we could film idea of like if only we could film podcast out of sonas that' be kind of podcast out of sonas that' be kind of podcast out of sonas that' be kind of fun maybe we'll get there I don't know fun maybe we'll get there I don't know fun maybe we'll get there I don't know what do you guys think give us give us what do you guys think give us give us what do you guys think give us give us feedback see so then the cold plunge uh feedback see so then the cold plunge uh feedback see so then the cold plunge uh it was a morasco forge who the CEO is it was a morasco forge who the CEO is it was a morasco forge who the CEO is Thomas Seager and he's actually coming Thomas Seager and he's actually coming Thomas Seager and he's actually coming on our podcast in mid-september so we'll on our podcast in mid-september so we'll on our podcast in mid-september so we'll get to talk to him more about gold get to talk to him more about gold get to talk to him more about gold Plunge in general cool as we'll see in Plunge in general cool as we'll see in Plunge in general cool as we'll see in the footage I think you went first and the footage I think you went first and the footage I think you went first and you lasted three and a half minutes yeah you lasted three and a half minutes yeah you lasted three and a half minutes yeah so I got to say going in I so I got to say going in I so I got to say going in I uh I was a little intimidated by the uh I was a little intimidated by the uh I was a little intimidated by the cold plunge and I didn't I didn't expect cold plunge and I didn't I didn't expect cold plunge and I didn't I didn't expect to to last very long and again my only to to last very long and again my only to to last very long and again my only experience was this Polar Bear Plunge I experience was this Polar Bear Plunge I experience was this Polar Bear Plunge I mean I did it but I was cold and I got mean I did it but I was cold and I got mean I did it but I was cold and I got out pretty quick and I would say you out pretty quick and I would say you out pretty quick and I would say you know certainly for the last three years know certainly for the last three years know certainly for the last three years maybe not quite that long couple of maybe not quite that long couple of maybe not quite that long couple of years I feel like I've been much more years I feel like I've been much more years I feel like I've been much more cold sensitive I get cold a lot easier cold sensitive I get cold a lot easier cold sensitive I get cold a lot easier probably at least in part because my probably at least in part because my probably at least in part because my body fat is lower now than it than it body fat is lower now than it than it body fat is lower now than it than it used to be um so I expected to be very used to be um so I expected to be very used to be um so I expected to be very sensitive to get in there and want to
17:00sensitive to get in there and want to sensitive to get in there and want to get right back out so I was really get right back out so I was really get right back out so I was really surprised when I got in and first of all surprised when I got in and first of all surprised when I got in and first of all it felt really good and um I didn't it felt really good and um I didn't it felt really good and um I didn't really get cold I mean even at the three really get cold I mean even at the three really get cold I mean even at the three and a half minutes I was getting cold and a half minutes I was getting cold and a half minutes I was getting cold but I I certainly could have stayed in but I I certainly could have stayed in but I I certainly could have stayed in there longer and it wouldn't have been there longer and it wouldn't have been there longer and it wouldn't have been like super uncomfortable or anything so like super uncomfortable or anything so like super uncomfortable or anything so yeah it was very surprising to me that yeah it was very surprising to me that yeah it was very surprising to me that that I I lasted as long as I did and that I I lasted as long as I did and that I I lasted as long as I did and didn't really feel that sort of bone didn't really feel that sort of bone didn't really feel that sort of bone chilling you know cold oh God I got to chilling you know cold oh God I got to chilling you know cold oh God I got to get out of here and I wasn't shivering get out of here and I wasn't shivering get out of here and I wasn't shivering when I got out right even afterwards so when I got out right even afterwards so when I got out right even afterwards so no yeah it was interesting cuz I see no yeah it was interesting cuz I see no yeah it was interesting cuz I see Mike also was around the same time he Mike also was around the same time he Mike also was around the same time he could have gone longer but I lasted could have gone longer but I lasted could have gone longer but I lasted maybe 90 seconds I forget the exact bit maybe 90 seconds I forget the exact bit maybe 90 seconds I forget the exact bit over a minute under two minutes and uh I over a minute under two minutes and uh I over a minute under two minutes and uh I was shivering when I got out and I felt was shivering when I got out and I felt was shivering when I got out and I felt like part of me wanted to have this sort like part of me wanted to have this sort like part of me wanted to have this sort of David goggin like let's just let's of David goggin like let's just let's of David goggin like let's just let's just do it but uh I just I felt like I just do it but uh I just I felt like I just do it but uh I just I felt like I couldn't the breathing the I don't know couldn't the breathing the I don't know couldn't the breathing the I don't know if it's I don't know how you measure if it's I don't know how you measure if it's I don't know how you measure cold tolerance and I do cold showers cold tolerance and I do cold showers cold tolerance and I do cold showers almost every day you don't so you'd almost every day you don't so you'd almost every day you don't so you'd think on paper I have more cold think on paper I have more cold think on paper I have more cold tolerance practice than you but you
18:00tolerance practice than you but you tolerance practice than you but you stomped me so I'm not sure well again I stomped me so I'm not sure well again I stomped me so I'm not sure well again I mean I think first of all I should do mean I think first of all I should do mean I think first of all I should do the experiment again right we have to do the experiment again right we have to do the experiment again right we have to do it at least three times to know whether it at least three times to know whether it at least three times to know whether that's a pattern maybe maybe it was just that's a pattern maybe maybe it was just that's a pattern maybe maybe it was just that day but I mean I think obviously uh that day but I mean I think obviously uh that day but I mean I think obviously uh you know it's going to depend on a lot you know it's going to depend on a lot you know it's going to depend on a lot of stuff it it would be nice if we knew of stuff it it would be nice if we knew of stuff it it would be nice if we knew uh what our uh uh core body temperature uh what our uh uh core body temperature uh what our uh uh core body temperature was going into the sauna coming out of was going into the sauna coming out of was going into the sauna coming out of the sauna like wouldn't be surprising if the sauna like wouldn't be surprising if the sauna like wouldn't be surprising if that had some effect on the perceived uh that had some effect on the perceived uh that had some effect on the perceived uh cold tolerance in the um in the the cold cold tolerance in the um in the the cold cold tolerance in the um in the the cold plunge um and it was cold like I I I plunge um and it was cold like I I I plunge um and it was cold like I I I remember when I looked in there and saw remember when I looked in there and saw remember when I looked in there and saw the sheet of ice on the bottom and I was the sheet of ice on the bottom and I was the sheet of ice on the bottom and I was like oh my God yeah I first did it when like oh my God yeah I first did it when like oh my God yeah I first did it when in the first video I'll show is H in the first video I'll show is H in the first video I'll show is H there's ice on top so you to like push there's ice on top so you to like push there's ice on top so you to like push ice out of the way but I'm not sure but ice out of the way but I'm not sure but ice out of the way but I'm not sure but you hear people talk about it being you hear people talk about it being you hear people talk about it being mental like it's all mental I'm curious mental like it's all mental I'm curious mental like it's all mental I'm curious no it's not all mental it's not at all no it's not all mental it's not at all no it's not all mental it's not at all all mental there is definitely a through all mental there is definitely a through all mental there is definitely a through physical component that and there are
19:00physical component that and there are physical component that and there are going to be individual differences in going to be individual differences in going to be individual differences in cold tolerance again one obvious cold tolerance again one obvious cold tolerance again one obvious explanation is how much body fat you explanation is how much body fat you explanation is how much body fat you have but there's going to be a bunch of have but there's going to be a bunch of have but there's going to be a bunch of stuff that goes into it so yeah again I stuff that goes into it so yeah again I stuff that goes into it so yeah again I mean this idea that you know it's about mean this idea that you know it's about mean this idea that you know it's about uh just your mental fortitude and being uh just your mental fortitude and being uh just your mental fortitude and being able to push through I mean I think to able to push through I mean I think to able to push through I mean I think to some extent there's value in pushing some extent there's value in pushing some extent there's value in pushing yourself but it's like anything else you yourself but it's like anything else you yourself but it's like anything else you don't want to be dumb in the way you do don't want to be dumb in the way you do don't want to be dumb in the way you do it and push yourself into hypothermia it and push yourself into hypothermia it and push yourself into hypothermia yeah well some people I know who own yeah well some people I know who own yeah well some people I know who own gold plunges they start at like 50 and gold plunges they start at like 50 and gold plunges they start at like 50 and then each day they go 49 48 you went then each day they go 49 48 you went then each day they go 49 48 you went straight to 35 I know right when does straight to 35 I know right when does straight to 35 I know right when does water freezes at like 32 right so you're water freezes at like 32 right so you're water freezes at like 32 right so you're pretty close to yeah it was cold I mean pretty close to yeah it was cold I mean pretty close to yeah it was cold I mean it was cold water yeah again I was it was cold water yeah again I was it was cold water yeah again I was surprised I did not expect it to be as surprised I did not expect it to be as surprised I did not expect it to be as uh easy from at least a perceived uh uh easy from at least a perceived uh uh easy from at least a perceived uh experience as it was for me to get in experience as it was for me to get in experience as it was for me to get in and stay in the cold plunge as long as I and stay in the cold plunge as long as I and stay in the cold plunge as long as I did yeah so the best part was after we did yeah so the best part was after we did yeah so the best part was after we all did our cold plunge we went back in all did our cold plunge we went back in all did our cold plunge we went back in the s
20:00probably easier the minutes just because probably easier the minutes just because we kind of already cool and it's we kind of already cool and it's we kind of already cool and it's interesting going from cold to sweating interesting going from cold to sweating interesting going from cold to sweating again that's transition but again good again that's transition but again good again that's transition but again good conversation yeah yeah and I mean we did conversation yeah yeah and I mean we did conversation yeah yeah and I mean we did so a couple of interesting uh so a couple of interesting uh so a couple of interesting uh observations one is I felt really good observations one is I felt really good observations one is I felt really good when I got out of the cold plunge like when I got out of the cold plunge like when I got out of the cold plunge like definitely a psychological lift um uh definitely a psychological lift um uh definitely a psychological lift um uh and I I don't to the extent to which and I I don't to the extent to which and I I don't to the extent to which that persisted the rest of the day I that persisted the rest of the day I that persisted the rest of the day I don't know I think probably for the next don't know I think probably for the next don't know I think probably for the next couple of hours I felt perceived being a couple of hours I felt perceived being a couple of hours I felt perceived being a little bit more alert I guess we'll see little bit more alert I guess we'll see little bit more alert I guess we'll see people can watch the podcast that we did people can watch the podcast that we did people can watch the podcast that we did with Mike and you can judge whether I with Mike and you can judge whether I with Mike and you can judge whether I was more mentally alert or less but I was more mentally alert or less but I was more mentally alert or less but I sort of felt that way and then I think sort of felt that way and then I think sort of felt that way and then I think you and I both experienced later in the you and I both experienced later in the you and I both experienced later in the day around 2 o00 or whatever it was nap day around 2 o00 or whatever it was nap day around 2 o00 or whatever it was nap time we didn't take naps but both sleepy time we didn't take naps but both sleepy time we didn't take naps but both sleepy and I noticed that even back in my gym and I noticed that even back in my gym and I noticed that even back in my gym sauna days is I would get sleepy I don't sauna days is I would get sleepy I don't sauna days is I would get sleepy I don't know if it's from the DEH you know maybe know if it's from the DEH you know maybe know if it's from the DEH you know maybe I need to get more electrolytes in me I need to get more electrolytes in me I need to get more electrolytes in me post sauna uh I don't think that was the post sauna uh I don't think that was the post sauna uh I don't think that was the ice punch I think that was more of the ice punch I think that was more of the ice punch I think that was more of the that gets sleepy speaking personally but
21:00that gets sleepy speaking personally but that gets sleepy speaking personally but I know human talks a lot about body I know human talks a lot about body I know human talks a lot about body temperature circadian rhythms I know temperature circadian rhythms I know temperature circadian rhythms I know there's something there again I it could there's something there again I it could there's something there again I it could be it's it's biologically plausible be it's it's biologically plausible be it's it's biologically plausible probably not much data to back it up at probably not much data to back it up at probably not much data to back it up at this point um the other thing that we this point um the other thing that we this point um the other thing that we tried was grip strength right so you tried was grip strength right so you tried was grip strength right so you brought one of these you know grip grip brought one of these you know grip grip brought one of these you know grip grip strength testers and I think the strength testers and I think the strength testers and I think the hypothesis was that grip strength would hypothesis was that grip strength would hypothesis was that grip strength would get better after sauna cold plunge sauna get better after sauna cold plunge sauna get better after sauna cold plunge sauna um we tested it and for you and Mike it um we tested it and for you and Mike it um we tested it and for you and Mike it actually got worse or went down so actually got worse or went down so actually got worse or went down so before versus after right whereas for me before versus after right whereas for me before versus after right whereas for me it actually went up so we did not have a it actually went up so we did not have a it actually went up so we did not have a clear pattern I guess as to to what the clear pattern I guess as to to what the clear pattern I guess as to to what the effect of um that uh contrast therapy is effect of um that uh contrast therapy is effect of um that uh contrast therapy is on at least acute grip strength meaning on at least acute grip strength meaning on at least acute grip strength meaning day of right change but uh but for you day of right change but uh but for you day of right change but uh but for you two it went down and for me it went up two it went down and for me it went up two it went down and for me it went up yeah there's a lot of good data too on yeah there's a lot of good data too on yeah there's a lot of good data too on grip strength and Longevity and I think grip strength and Longevity and I think grip strength and Longevity and I think that'd be a fun future episode and in that'd be a fun future episode and in that'd be a fun future episode and in the meantime I thought it'd be fun if the meantime I thought it'd be fun if the meantime I thought it'd be fun if our guest at least the guest to they say our guest at least the guest to they say our guest at least the guest to they say they enjoy resistance training it would
22:00they enjoy resistance training it would they enjoy resistance training it would be fun to test their their grip strength be fun to test their their grip strength be fun to test their their grip strength and sort of have a leaderboard so right and sort of have a leaderboard so right and sort of have a leaderboard so right now Mike's the only person on it but I now Mike's the only person on it but I now Mike's the only person on it but I think he'll be number one for a while he think he'll be number one for a while he think he'll be number one for a while he was around 130 pounds on his his was around 130 pounds on his his was around 130 pounds on his his dominant hand so yeah yeah it's pretty dominant hand so yeah yeah it's pretty dominant hand so yeah yeah it's pretty impressive so yeah yeah and I think we impressive so yeah yeah and I think we impressive so yeah yeah and I think we have video of that so I I don't know if have video of that so I I don't know if have video of that so I I don't know if it makes it in that would be it makes it in that would be it makes it in that would be good let's do it here we go good let's do it here we go good let's do it here we go 131.8 wow what's funny about grip good 131.8 wow what's funny about grip good 131.8 wow what's funny about grip good job cool all right was a fun let's do job cool all right was a fun let's do job cool all right was a fun let's do more work days like that more field more work days like that more field more work days like that more field trips for sauna cold plune sauna no I trips for sauna cold plune sauna no I trips for sauna cold plune sauna no I think uh yeah I mean I after my think uh yeah I mean I after my think uh yeah I mean I after my experience I would say I again still uh experience I would say I again still uh experience I would say I again still uh pretty skeptical that in and of it pretty skeptical that in and of it pretty skeptical that in and of it themselves that that sort of contrast themselves that that sort of contrast themselves that that sort of contrast therapy or either alone is a potent therapy or either alone is a potent therapy or either alone is a potent longevity mechanism I think it certainly longevity mechanism I think it certainly longevity mechanism I think it certainly can for some people be a stress can for some people be a stress can for some people be a stress resistance or perceived uh Improvement resistance or perceived uh Improvement resistance or perceived uh Improvement in pain uh quality of life in pain uh quality of life in pain uh quality of life um and probably real for some people
23:00um and probably real for some people um and probably real for some people like I say perceived but but I think like I say perceived but but I think like I say perceived but but I think there are probably real biological there are probably real biological there are probably real biological mechanisms around chronic inflammation mechanisms around chronic inflammation mechanisms around chronic inflammation muscle soreness is it going to work for muscle soreness is it going to work for muscle soreness is it going to work for everybody like anything else no probably everybody like anything else no probably everybody like anything else no probably not is it going to move the needle in a not is it going to move the needle in a not is it going to move the needle in a big way for most people my intuition is big way for most people my intuition is big way for most people my intuition is no probably not certainly not in place no probably not certainly not in place no probably not certainly not in place of the other things that we know other of the other things that we know other of the other things that we know other levers we can pull that have a big levers we can pull that have a big levers we can pull that have a big impact on Health span nutrition exercise impact on Health span nutrition exercise impact on Health span nutrition exercise Sleep Quality relationships right I Sleep Quality relationships right I Sleep Quality relationships right I certainly wouldn't want to suggest that certainly wouldn't want to suggest that certainly wouldn't want to suggest that you don't have to pay attention to that you don't have to pay attention to that you don't have to pay attention to that if you have a sauna and a cold plunge if you have a sauna and a cold plunge if you have a sauna and a cold plunge right but I think for some people it can right but I think for some people it can right but I think for some people it can be a useful tool I certainly am open to be a useful tool I certainly am open to be a useful tool I certainly am open to doing it again I I you know I if it was doing it again I I you know I if it was doing it again I I you know I if it was easy I'd probably if I had easy access easy I'd probably if I had easy access easy I'd probably if I had easy access to one I'd probably do it you know at to one I'd probably do it you know at to one I'd probably do it you know at least regularly for a while and see see least regularly for a while and see see least regularly for a while and see see if the sort of initial experience if the sort of initial experience if the sort of initial experience repeats and continues to feel like it repeats and continues to feel like it repeats and continues to feel like it has value they sell them at Costco would has value they sell them at Costco would has value they sell them at Costco would you ever just get one in your backyard
24:00you ever just get one in your backyard you ever just get one in your backyard have to talk to my wife about that we'll have to talk to my wife about that we'll have to talk to my wife about that we'll see okay so maybe for lifespan it's hard see okay so maybe for lifespan it's hard see okay so maybe for lifespan it's hard to say but for health span pretty strong to say but for health span pretty strong to say but for health span pretty strong that it could be a good sort of quality that it could be a good sort of quality that it could be a good sort of quality of life mental health I think for some of life mental health I think for some of life mental health I think for some people for sure again I think it's just people for sure again I think it's just people for sure again I think it's just it's just important to recognize it's it's just important to recognize it's it's just important to recognize it's it's probably not going to be for it's probably not going to be for it's probably not going to be for everybody everybody everybody and I would not prioritize sauna and and I would not prioritize sauna and and I would not prioritize sauna and cold Plunge at the expense of other cold Plunge at the expense of other cold Plunge at the expense of other things that we know are going to have a things that we know are going to have a things that we know are going to have a bigger probably a bigger effect on bigger probably a bigger effect on bigger probably a bigger effect on moving the needle that's probably where moving the needle that's probably where moving the needle that's probably where I'd land that's fair all right well I I'd land that's fair all right well I I'd land that's fair all right well I hope people find it fun and then we can hope people find it fun and then we can hope people find it fun and then we can we'll talk about it again in September we'll talk about it again in September we'll talk about it again in September with Thomas Seager so yeah and at some with Thomas Seager so yeah and at some with Thomas Seager so yeah and at some point we'll have Mike over here yes for point we'll have Mike over here yes for point we'll have Mike over here yes for an interview on the optisan podcast an interview on the optisan podcast an interview on the optisan podcast which will be fun too yes stay tuned for which will be fun too yes stay tuned for which will be fun too yes stay tuned for that awesome all right thanks everyone that awesome all right thanks everyone that awesome all right thanks everyone hope uh you enjoyed this episode as hope uh you enjoyed this episode as hope uh you enjoyed this episode as always if you've got any comments or always if you've got any comments or always if you've got any comments or questions please leave them below if questions please leave them below if questions please leave them below if you're not yet a subscriber click that you're not yet a subscriber click that you're not yet a subscriber click that subscribe button and we will see you subscribe button and we will see you subscribe button and we will see you next time on the podcast