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00:00[Music] [Music] All right, Tom, thanks for coming down. All right, Tom, thanks for coming down. All right, Tom, thanks for coming down. So much fun and showing me how to do a a So much fun and showing me how to do a a So much fun and showing me how to do a a cold plunge the proper way. cold plunge the proper way. cold plunge the proper way. >> Yeah, you didn't need anything from me. >> Yeah, you didn't need anything from me. >> Yeah, you didn't need anything from me. But it was fun. Uh I watched you get in But it was fun. Uh I watched you get in But it was fun. Uh I watched you get in twice and um I like seeing you get in at twice and um I like seeing you get in at twice and um I like seeing you get in at first 40° and I'm like, "Ah, Danny's first 40° and I'm like, "Ah, Danny's first 40° and I'm like, "Ah, Danny's been at this for a while. Why is he been at this for a while. Why is he been at this for a while. Why is he having such a strong reaction?" You having such a strong reaction?" You having such a strong reaction?" You know, then you told me that you hadn't know, then you told me that you hadn't know, then you told me that you hadn't been in a week. It's been a week and you been in a week. It's been a week and you been in a week. It's been a week and you lose some of that adaptation. If you It lose some of that adaptation. If you It lose some of that adaptation. If you It happens to me when I take a week off, happens to me when I take a week off, happens to me when I take a week off, then all of a sudden I turn into like a then all of a sudden I turn into like a then all of a sudden I turn into like a cold wimp or something. Then we did a cold wimp or something. Then we did a cold wimp or something. Then we did a little routine that was different for little routine that was different for little routine that was different for you. you. you. >> It was cold plunge first, then a little >> It was cold plunge first, then a little >> It was cold plunge first, then a little bit of kettle bells for me, some bit of kettle bells for me, some bit of kettle bells for me, some exercise bike for you. Then we got into exercise bike for you. Then we got into exercise bike for you. Then we got into the sauna and it didn't maybe it was 20 the sauna and it didn't maybe it was 20 the sauna and it didn't maybe it was 20 minutes. I'm not sure. I didn't have my minutes. I'm not sure. I didn't have my minutes. I'm not sure. I didn't have my time, but it was just long enough to time, but it was just long enough to time, but it was just long enough to start dripping with sweat. We got into start dripping with sweat. We got into start dripping with sweat. We got into your swimming pool and then back into your swimming pool and then back into your swimming pool and then back into the cold plunge. So, we reversed the
01:00the cold plunge. So, we reversed the the cold plunge. So, we reversed the order that you said you often use. We order that you said you often use. We order that you said you often use. We did ice bath, did ice bath, did ice bath, >> exercise, sauna, and then we just >> exercise, sauna, and then we just >> exercise, sauna, and then we just finished off with a little bit of ice finished off with a little bit of ice finished off with a little bit of ice bath. Just 15, 20 seconds. How did that bath. Just 15, 20 seconds. How did that bath. Just 15, 20 seconds. How did that feel for you? feel for you? feel for you? >> It felt fantastic. >> It felt fantastic. >> It felt fantastic. >> I feel that way right now. Like, I feel >> I feel that way right now. Like, I feel >> I feel that way right now. Like, I feel pretty good. pretty good. pretty good. >> An hour ago, we just got out and it >> An hour ago, we just got out and it >> An hour ago, we just got out and it feels pretty energizing. feels pretty energizing. feels pretty energizing. >> Yeah. Yeah. I usually like to, as I was >> Yeah. Yeah. I usually like to, as I was >> Yeah. Yeah. I usually like to, as I was telling you, do a cardio workout, like a telling you, do a cardio workout, like a telling you, do a cardio workout, like a hard cardio workout before and then for hard cardio workout before and then for hard cardio workout before and then for the podcast. Then I follow that with a the podcast. Then I follow that with a the podcast. Then I follow that with a sauna and then I do I finish it with a sauna and then I do I finish it with a sauna and then I do I finish it with a cold plunge and then come straight here. cold plunge and then come straight here. cold plunge and then come straight here. >> So now we're trying to reverse it to see >> So now we're trying to reverse it to see >> So now we're trying to reverse it to see how it feels. See how I do. how it feels. See how I do. how it feels. See how I do. >> We're doing is called precooling. Yeah. >> We're doing is called precooling. Yeah. >> We're doing is called precooling. Yeah. >> And you probably been listening to Craig >> And you probably been listening to Craig >> And you probably been listening to Craig Heler explain this to Herman. He's like Heler explain this to Herman. He's like Heler explain this to Herman. He's like he was doing per cooling, extracting he was doing per cooling, extracting he was doing per cooling, extracting heat between sets during a strenuous heat between sets during a strenuous heat between sets during a strenuous workout. And Heler showed that if you workout. And Heler showed that if you workout. And Heler showed that if you cool the body, the mitochondria will cool the body, the mitochondria will cool the body, the mitochondria will increase their peak power output and increase their peak power output and increase their peak power output and they will not get fatigued. So cooling they will not get fatigued. So cooling they will not get fatigued. So cooling will help you reach a higher level of
02:00will help you reach a higher level of will help you reach a higher level of athletic performance. Now, we're not per athletic performance. Now, we're not per athletic performance. Now, we're not per cooling between sets. We're precooling cooling between sets. We're precooling cooling between sets. We're precooling the exercise. And here's what Heler the exercise. And here's what Heler the exercise. And here's what Heler didn't talk about. You get a big didn't talk about. You get a big didn't talk about. You get a big testosterone boost. Yeah. When men cool testosterone boost. Yeah. When men cool testosterone boost. Yeah. When men cool off first and they don't have to do a off first and they don't have to do a off first and they don't have to do a strenuous exercise afterwards, then they strenuous exercise afterwards, then they strenuous exercise afterwards, then they do 20 minutes. It could be exercise do 20 minutes. It could be exercise do 20 minutes. It could be exercise bike. You go for a walk for half an bike. You go for a walk for half an bike. You go for a walk for half an hour. Uh I like doing lunges. I like my hour. Uh I like doing lunges. I like my hour. Uh I like doing lunges. I like my steel mace. So a little bit of light steel mace. So a little bit of light steel mace. So a little bit of light exercise to rewarm the limbs. They get a exercise to rewarm the limbs. They get a exercise to rewarm the limbs. They get a big boost in testosterone. And this big boost in testosterone. And this big boost in testosterone. And this explains my lab reports because I've explains my lab reports because I've explains my lab reports because I've been putting them online now for 5 been putting them online now for 5 been putting them online now for 5 years. I'm a fat 59year-old sedentary years. I'm a fat 59year-old sedentary years. I'm a fat 59year-old sedentary college professor and my testosterone is college professor and my testosterone is college professor and my testosterone is over a thousand nanogs per deciliter. So over a thousand nanogs per deciliter. So over a thousand nanogs per deciliter. So how do you think that happens? The how do you think that happens? The how do you think that happens? The testosterone is a reflection of your testosterone is a reflection of your testosterone is a reflection of your metabolism. Testosterone is made in the metabolism. Testosterone is made in the metabolism. Testosterone is made in the mitochondria. And this is what people mitochondria. And this is what people mitochondria. And this is what people don't realize that all sex hormones don't realize that all sex hormones don't realize that all sex hormones originate in the mitochondria. So if originate in the mitochondria. So if originate in the mitochondria. So if your mitochondria aren't right, you your mitochondria aren't right, you your mitochondria aren't right, you can't possibly be synthesizing enough
03:00can't possibly be synthesizing enough can't possibly be synthesizing enough sex hormones to have a higher level of sex hormones to have a higher level of sex hormones to have a higher level of testosterone. Turns out there's a study testosterone. Turns out there's a study testosterone. Turns out there's a study goes way back to 1991 in which they goes way back to 1991 in which they goes way back to 1991 in which they tried ice well cold stimulation for tried ice well cold stimulation for tried ice well cold stimulation for recovery from exercise. Just like you recovery from exercise. Just like you recovery from exercise. Just like you know your high school track coach says know your high school track coach says know your high school track coach says you're supposed to do after practice, you're supposed to do after practice, you're supposed to do after practice, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> That lowers testosterone. It lowers >> That lowers testosterone. It lowers >> That lowers testosterone. It lowers luteinizing hormone. Luteinizing hormone luteinizing hormone. Luteinizing hormone luteinizing hormone. Luteinizing hormone is what signals the gonads to make the is what signals the gonads to make the is what signals the gonads to make the testosterone. But if you reverse the testosterone. But if you reverse the testosterone. But if you reverse the order, which is what they did in 1991, order, which is what they did in 1991, order, which is what they did in 1991, if you do the cooling before you do the if you do the cooling before you do the if you do the cooling before you do the exercise, luteinizing hormone goes up exercise, luteinizing hormone goes up exercise, luteinizing hormone goes up through the roof. Testosterone goes up through the roof. Testosterone goes up through the roof. Testosterone goes up through the roof. So by reversing the through the roof. So by reversing the through the roof. So by reversing the order, you get the hypertrophy, you get order, you get the hypertrophy, you get order, you get the hypertrophy, you get the muscle building hormone, plus you the muscle building hormone, plus you the muscle building hormone, plus you speed recovery. Everybody, and this is a speed recovery. Everybody, and this is a speed recovery. Everybody, and this is a slight exaggeration, but everybody who slight exaggeration, but everybody who slight exaggeration, but everybody who hasn't been listening to Joe Rogan on hasn't been listening to Joe Rogan on hasn't been listening to Joe Rogan on this is still doing it wrong. And then this is still doing it wrong. And then this is still doing it wrong. And then you know whether it's Thomas Dauer or you know whether it's Thomas Dauer or you know whether it's Thomas Dauer or Peter Aia or Biolain or somebody and Peter Aia or Biolain or somebody and Peter Aia or Biolain or somebody and they'll do a video. Ice baths don't work
04:00they'll do a video. Ice baths don't work they'll do a video. Ice baths don't work and they'll get a 100,000 clicks because and they'll get a 100,000 clicks because and they'll get a 100,000 clicks because they're still doing the ice baths after they're still doing the ice baths after they're still doing the ice baths after the exercise. When you reverse the the exercise. When you reverse the the exercise. When you reverse the order, readers all over the world are order, readers all over the world are order, readers all over the world are sending me their labs and they're sending me their labs and they're sending me their labs and they're getting this huge boost in testosterone, getting this huge boost in testosterone, getting this huge boost in testosterone, huge boost in mood, huge boost in energy huge boost in mood, huge boost in energy huge boost in mood, huge boost in energy because they're precooling instead of because they're precooling instead of because they're precooling instead of cooling afterwards. cooling afterwards. cooling afterwards. I didn't I haven't I've heard about I didn't I haven't I've heard about I didn't I haven't I've heard about this, but I have not witnessed this this, but I have not witnessed this this, but I have not witnessed this phenomena of people online saying ice phenomena of people online saying ice phenomena of people online saying ice baths don't work. Um is the main reason baths don't work. Um is the main reason baths don't work. Um is the main reason they're saying it because it crushes they're saying it because it crushes they're saying it because it crushes testosterone and muscle hypertrophy. testosterone and muscle hypertrophy. testosterone and muscle hypertrophy. You're on the right track. Uh there's a You're on the right track. Uh there's a You're on the right track. Uh there's a lot online now that is bashing ice lot online now that is bashing ice lot online now that is bashing ice baths. We went for two years where Joe baths. We went for two years where Joe baths. We went for two years where Joe Rogan was saying, "Oh, Morasco is the Rogan was saying, "Oh, Morasco is the Rogan was saying, "Oh, Morasco is the best thing ever. You know, I get so much best thing ever. You know, I get so much best thing ever. You know, I get so much out of it." And he's right. out of it." And he's right. out of it." And he's right. >> But the pendulum has swung. There are >> But the pendulum has swung. There are >> But the pendulum has swung. There are some people who never want to get into some people who never want to get into some people who never want to get into an ice bath. And so, especially when an ice bath. And so, especially when an ice bath. And so, especially when Stacy Sims went on the Hubman podcast, Stacy Sims went on the Hubman podcast, Stacy Sims went on the Hubman podcast, she went on Steven Bartlett's podcast, she went on Steven Bartlett's podcast, she went on Steven Bartlett's podcast, then she went on Mel Robbins podcast.
05:00then she went on Mel Robbins podcast. then she went on Mel Robbins podcast. Now, Mel Robbins has Morasco. She's a Now, Mel Robbins has Morasco. She's a Now, Mel Robbins has Morasco. She's a customer. She loves it. She's posted customer. She loves it. She's posted customer. She loves it. She's posted about it. But when Stacy Sims with her about it. But when Stacy Sims with her about it. But when Stacy Sims with her PhD went on Mel's podcast and said, PhD went on Mel's podcast and said, PhD went on Mel's podcast and said, "Well, you know, I don't really like ice "Well, you know, I don't really like ice "Well, you know, I don't really like ice baths for women." Mel was like, "Thank baths for women." Mel was like, "Thank baths for women." Mel was like, "Thank you for telling me that. I feel like you for telling me that. I feel like you for telling me that. I feel like people have been pushing the ice baths people have been pushing the ice baths people have been pushing the ice baths maybe too hard. So, there's this social maybe too hard. So, there's this social maybe too hard. So, there's this social media backlash against ice baths now. media backlash against ice baths now. media backlash against ice baths now. But look at the comments under the But look at the comments under the But look at the comments under the clips. And the clips have all clips. And the clips have all clips. And the clips have all exaggerated Stacy Sims position. She's exaggerated Stacy Sims position. She's exaggerated Stacy Sims position. She's like, "Ice has a role." She even talks like, "Ice has a role." She even talks like, "Ice has a role." She even talks about how ice baths will help women about how ice baths will help women about how ice baths will help women overcome endometriosis. Like, there's a overcome endometriosis. Like, there's a overcome endometriosis. Like, there's a lot of benefits for women with ice baths lot of benefits for women with ice baths lot of benefits for women with ice baths that Sims acknowledges. She's just that Sims acknowledges. She's just that Sims acknowledges. She's just saying the women should start a little saying the women should start a little saying the women should start a little warmer and it's fine. Start wherever warmer and it's fine. Start wherever warmer and it's fine. Start wherever you're ready. When you look at the you're ready. When you look at the you're ready. When you look at the comments under the headlines on comments under the headlines on comments under the headlines on Instagram or Twitter, Instagram or Twitter, Instagram or Twitter, >> they run about 50/50. Half of the >> they run about 50/50. Half of the >> they run about 50/50. Half of the comments are saying, "I don't understand comments are saying, "I don't understand comments are saying, "I don't understand how ice baths could be bad for women. how ice baths could be bad for women. how ice baths could be bad for women. You know, ice baths saved my life. Ice You know, ice baths saved my life. Ice
06:00You know, ice baths saved my life. Ice baths like rescued me from depression. baths like rescued me from depression. baths like rescued me from depression. Ice baths help me lose 20 pounds. You Ice baths help me lose 20 pounds. You Ice baths help me lose 20 pounds. You know, ice baths have given me so much know, ice baths have given me so much know, ice baths have given me so much energy. I started doing ice baths and energy. I started doing ice baths and energy. I started doing ice baths and then I conceived a child. How could they then I conceived a child. How could they then I conceived a child. How could they possibly be bad for me?" possibly be bad for me?" possibly be bad for me?" >> Then the other half of the comments are >> Then the other half of the comments are >> Then the other half of the comments are like this. I knew it. That's why I'll like this. I knew it. That's why I'll like this. I knew it. That's why I'll never do an ice bath and you know and never do an ice bath and you know and never do an ice bath and you know and I'm I'm glad I've never done one ever in I'm I'm glad I've never done one ever in I'm I'm glad I've never done one ever in my life. There are people who don't want my life. There are people who don't want my life. There are people who don't want to do the really tough things and they to do the really tough things and they to do the really tough things and they want to hear from social media that want to hear from social media that want to hear from social media that science or whatever is telling them ah science or whatever is telling them ah science or whatever is telling them ah they don't have to do that. There's some they don't have to do that. There's some they don't have to do that. There's some other reason that they're unhappy or other reason that they're unhappy or other reason that they're unhappy or they're lethargic or they have some they're lethargic or they have some they're lethargic or they have some thyroid disorder or something else. thyroid disorder or something else. thyroid disorder or something else. >> And I don't buy into that. If a cucumber >> And I don't buy into that. If a cucumber >> And I don't buy into that. If a cucumber facial and a day at the spa was gonna facial and a day at the spa was gonna facial and a day at the spa was gonna cure cancer, I would be writing articles cure cancer, I would be writing articles cure cancer, I would be writing articles about that. It just doesn't work that about that. It just doesn't work that about that. It just doesn't work that way. way. way. >> Right >> Right >> Right now, um, you said that this stuff when now, um, you said that this stuff when now, um, you said that this stuff when you when you specifically do workouts you when you specifically do workouts you when you specifically do workouts after you do like a cold plunge or do a after you do like a cold plunge or do a after you do like a cold plunge or do a cold bath, uh, it it boosts LH and
07:00cold bath, uh, it it boosts LH and cold bath, uh, it it boosts LH and follicle and FSH and, uh, increases follicle and FSH and, uh, increases follicle and FSH and, uh, increases overall testosterone like dramatically overall testosterone like dramatically overall testosterone like dramatically no matter how old you are. I have not no matter how old you are. I have not no matter how old you are. I have not measured the FSH and the LH and the FSH measured the FSH and the LH and the FSH measured the FSH and the LH and the FSH have two different roles. If I'm have two different roles. If I'm have two different roles. If I'm remembering this correctly, the LH will remembering this correctly, the LH will remembering this correctly, the LH will stimulate testosterone production in the stimulate testosterone production in the stimulate testosterone production in the gonads. Whereas the FSH is more gonads. Whereas the FSH is more gonads. Whereas the FSH is more responsible for sperm production. And responsible for sperm production. And responsible for sperm production. And those things are related, but they're those things are related, but they're those things are related, but they're also a little bit different. also a little bit different. also a little bit different. >> And I haven't tested FSH. I haven't >> And I haven't tested FSH. I haven't >> And I haven't tested FSH. I haven't examined sperm production. Um, for me, examined sperm production. Um, for me, examined sperm production. Um, for me, it was really an accidental discovery. I it was really an accidental discovery. I it was really an accidental discovery. I had a blood test come back with an had a blood test come back with an had a blood test come back with an elevated PSA. So, I'm 59, but at this elevated PSA. So, I'm 59, but at this elevated PSA. So, I'm 59, but at this time I was 52. And a lot of guys will time I was 52. And a lot of guys will time I was 52. And a lot of guys will get their blood test, find that their get their blood test, find that their get their blood test, find that their PSA is elevated, and then there's a PSA is elevated, and then there's a PSA is elevated, and then there's a whole sequence of things that happens. whole sequence of things that happens. whole sequence of things that happens. First thing that happens is you go First thing that happens is you go First thing that happens is you go online and you say, "What the hell is a online and you say, "What the hell is a online and you say, "What the hell is a PSA?" You know, and why is mine seven or PSA?" You know, and why is mine seven or PSA?" You know, and why is mine seven or whatever? Takes about 20 minutes online whatever? Takes about 20 minutes online whatever? Takes about 20 minutes online and WebMD is going to convince you that and WebMD is going to convince you that and WebMD is going to convince you that you're going to die of cancer. Like,
08:00you're going to die of cancer. Like, you're going to die of cancer. Like, this is what happened to me cuz I'm this is what happened to me cuz I'm this is what happened to me cuz I'm prone to these catastrophic thoughts. prone to these catastrophic thoughts. prone to these catastrophic thoughts. Then you're supposed to go to urologist Then you're supposed to go to urologist Then you're supposed to go to urologist who will tell you your prostate is who will tell you your prostate is who will tell you your prostate is inflamed, then recommend a biopsy. In a inflamed, then recommend a biopsy. In a inflamed, then recommend a biopsy. In a biopsy, they will remove like 16 tissue biopsy, they will remove like 16 tissue biopsy, they will remove like 16 tissue samples out of your prostate. I'm not samples out of your prostate. I'm not samples out of your prostate. I'm not recommending this. I'm not a medical recommending this. I'm not a medical recommending this. I'm not a medical doctor. I'm a PhD. And those are two doctor. I'm a PhD. And those are two doctor. I'm a PhD. And those are two different degrees. But it sounds like an different degrees. But it sounds like an different degrees. But it sounds like an awful experience. And the men that I've awful experience. And the men that I've awful experience. And the men that I've talked to who have been through it told talked to who have been through it told talked to who have been through it told me horror stories about how painful it me horror stories about how painful it me horror stories about how painful it was and the false positives that can was and the false positives that can was and the false positives that can result. So then they examine these result. So then they examine these result. So then they examine these tissue samples and they say, "Well, is tissue samples and they say, "Well, is tissue samples and they say, "Well, is it cancer?" The false positive rate is it cancer?" The false positive rate is it cancer?" The false positive rate is very high. And so you might have nine very high. And so you might have nine very high. And so you might have nine come back cancerous and maybe the rest come back cancerous and maybe the rest come back cancerous and maybe the rest no cancer. And you say, "Well, I don't no cancer. And you say, "Well, I don't no cancer. And you say, "Well, I don't know." And then your urologist will say, know." And then your urologist will say, know." And then your urologist will say, "As a precautionary measure, we should "As a precautionary measure, we should "As a precautionary measure, we should remove your prostate because it it could remove your prostate because it it could remove your prostate because it it could be cancer." After you have your prostate be cancer." After you have your prostate be cancer." After you have your prostate removed, you will be incontinent almost removed, you will be incontinent almost removed, you will be incontinent almost certainly at least for some time and certainly at least for some time and certainly at least for some time and you'll never get an erection again. So, you'll never get an erection again. So, you'll never get an erection again. So, this is what happens in my head at the
09:00this is what happens in my head at the this is what happens in my head at the age of 52 when I have a lab test showing age of 52 when I have a lab test showing age of 52 when I have a lab test showing my PSA is too high. I'm headed for these my PSA is too high. I'm headed for these my PSA is too high. I'm headed for these painful surgical procedures and a painful surgical procedures and a painful surgical procedures and a lifetime of erectile dysfunction. And I lifetime of erectile dysfunction. And I lifetime of erectile dysfunction. And I wasn't signing up for that. I was wasn't signing up for that. I was wasn't signing up for that. I was recently separated from my wife. And I recently separated from my wife. And I recently separated from my wife. And I was thinking, what woman is ever going was thinking, what woman is ever going was thinking, what woman is ever going to love me? How am I ever going to have to love me? How am I ever going to have to love me? How am I ever going to have like a romantic life again if I go like a romantic life again if I go like a romantic life again if I go through with this prostatectomy and I through with this prostatectomy and I through with this prostatectomy and I can't ever get it up? So, I said, I'm can't ever get it up? So, I said, I'm can't ever get it up? So, I said, I'm going to find some other way to do it. going to find some other way to do it. going to find some other way to do it. I'm going to use ketogenic diet and ice I'm going to use ketogenic diet and ice I'm going to use ketogenic diet and ice baths because both of those are good for baths because both of those are good for baths because both of those are good for inflammation. And I got into at that inflammation. And I got into at that inflammation. And I got into at that time it was a chest freezer that I got, time it was a chest freezer that I got, time it was a chest freezer that I got, you know, from Kenmore and it was this you know, from Kenmore and it was this you know, from Kenmore and it was this big ugly dirty thing. But every day I big ugly dirty thing. But every day I big ugly dirty thing. But every day I got into that because I was afraid I was got into that because I was afraid I was got into that because I was afraid I was going to die. Took me four months later going to die. Took me four months later going to die. Took me four months later and in the interim we had invented and in the interim we had invented and in the interim we had invented Morasco, you know, so there's a cleaner Morasco, you know, so there's a cleaner Morasco, you know, so there's a cleaner solution that makes its own ice. I go solution that makes its own ice. I go solution that makes its own ice. I go back in to get my labs because I finally back in to get my labs because I finally back in to get my labs because I finally got the courage to check again and my got the courage to check again and my got the courage to check again and my PSA had dropped from seven down to 1.8.
10:00PSA had dropped from seven down to 1.8. PSA had dropped from seven down to 1.8. 1.8, no elevated risk of prostate 1.8, no elevated risk of prostate 1.8, no elevated risk of prostate cancer. So, I'm like, I've done it. I cancer. So, I'm like, I've done it. I cancer. So, I'm like, I've done it. I waited a few more weeks. I got another waited a few more weeks. I got another waited a few more weeks. I got another blood test. I got the whole male panel blood test. I got the whole male panel blood test. I got the whole male panel this time. 1.1 on the PSA. So, I'm in this time. 1.1 on the PSA. So, I'm in this time. 1.1 on the PSA. So, I'm in the clear. Now, I'm going to go to a the clear. Now, I'm going to go to a the clear. Now, I'm going to go to a urologist. I think I'm going to get a urologist. I think I'm going to get a urologist. I think I'm going to get a big pat on the back. He's going to be big pat on the back. He's going to be big pat on the back. He's going to be like, "This is a miracle. You know, I like, "This is a miracle. You know, I like, "This is a miracle. You know, I should How did you do this? I need to should How did you do this? I need to should How did you do this? I need to know. He wasn't interested in my PSA. He know. He wasn't interested in my PSA. He know. He wasn't interested in my PSA. He didn't care. He's like, "Yeah, that's didn't care. He's like, "Yeah, that's didn't care. He's like, "Yeah, that's fine. What I'm really worried about is fine. What I'm really worried about is fine. What I'm really worried about is your testosterone reading because my your testosterone reading because my your testosterone reading because my testosterone was 1180 nanogs per testosterone was 1180 nanogs per testosterone was 1180 nanogs per deciliter." And the lab report flagged deciliter." And the lab report flagged deciliter." And the lab report flagged it. They put it in red. They said, "It's it. They put it in red. They said, "It's it. They put it in red. They said, "It's too high. It's out of range. My too high. It's out of range. My too high. It's out of range. My urologist is about my age." And he's urologist is about my age." And he's urologist is about my age." And he's looking at me and he's like, "There's no looking at me and he's like, "There's no looking at me and he's like, "There's no way." He's like, "I just want one more way." He's like, "I just want one more way." He's like, "I just want one more test." He thinks test." He thinks test." He thinks >> you're on the roids. >> you're on the roids. >> you're on the roids. >> Exactly. Right. But he goes, "There's no >> Exactly. Right. But he goes, "There's no >> Exactly. Right. But he goes, "There's no way." And at that time, most medical way." And at that time, most medical way." And at that time, most medical doctors still believed that increased
11:00doctors still believed that increased doctors still believed that increased testosterone levels would increase the testosterone levels would increase the testosterone levels would increase the risk of prostate cancer. I even had a risk of prostate cancer. I even had a risk of prostate cancer. I even had a friend who had a prostatectomy, and he friend who had a prostatectomy, and he friend who had a prostatectomy, and he was on testosterone suppressing drugs was on testosterone suppressing drugs was on testosterone suppressing drugs because his urologist was saying, "We because his urologist was saying, "We because his urologist was saying, "We really need to kick the crap out of this really need to kick the crap out of this really need to kick the crap out of this prostate cancer. We're going to suppress prostate cancer. We're going to suppress prostate cancer. We're going to suppress your testosterone. Testosterone is your testosterone. Testosterone is your testosterone. Testosterone is anabolic. It promotes the growth of anabolic. It promotes the growth of anabolic. It promotes the growth of cells." And according to this theory, we cells." And according to this theory, we cells." And according to this theory, we should get your testosterone down until should get your testosterone down until should get your testosterone down until we're sure you're in the clear. we're sure you're in the clear. we're sure you're in the clear. >> My friend gained like 30 lb, of course, >> My friend gained like 30 lb, of course, >> My friend gained like 30 lb, of course, because he was he was feminized. He was because he was he was feminized. He was because he was he was feminized. He was chemically castrated essentially. He chemically castrated essentially. He chemically castrated essentially. He felt miserable. He had no energy, but felt miserable. He had no energy, but felt miserable. He had no energy, but it's what his doctor told him to do. So, it's what his doctor told him to do. So, it's what his doctor told him to do. So, at that time, I'm at the urologist at that time, I'm at the urologist at that time, I'm at the urologist office and he's like, "This guy, this office and he's like, "This guy, this office and he's like, "This guy, this college professor, he's on the sauce. I college professor, he's on the sauce. I college professor, he's on the sauce. I want to get his luteinizing hormone want to get his luteinizing hormone want to get his luteinizing hormone checked." I didn't know what luteinizing checked." I didn't know what luteinizing checked." I didn't know what luteinizing hormone was. I got to go back to the hormone was. I got to go back to the hormone was. I got to go back to the lab. I got to go back to Google. I got lab. I got to go back to Google. I got lab. I got to go back to Google. I got to get another test. Comes back 8.9. I to get another test. Comes back 8.9. I to get another test. Comes back 8.9. I am off the charts too high. I'm in like am off the charts too high. I'm in like am off the charts too high. I'm in like over sex 19year-old territory with these
12:00over sex 19year-old territory with these over sex 19year-old territory with these sex hormones. So I send the report to my sex hormones. So I send the report to my sex hormones. So I send the report to my urologist. I never heard from him again. urologist. I never heard from him again. urologist. I never heard from him again. Like he doesn't care about my PSA. He Like he doesn't care about my PSA. He Like he doesn't care about my PSA. He doesn't care about my testosterone. This doesn't care about my testosterone. This doesn't care about my testosterone. This is how little I know about, you know, is how little I know about, you know, is how little I know about, you know, practicing medicine. What is he going to practicing medicine. What is he going to practicing medicine. What is he going to do? Change the way that he treats his do? Change the way that he treats his do? Change the way that he treats his patients? It makes no sense. Is some guy patients? It makes no sense. Is some guy patients? It makes no sense. Is some guy going to show up with an elevated PSA going to show up with an elevated PSA going to show up with an elevated PSA and now this urologist in Scottsdale, and now this urologist in Scottsdale, and now this urologist in Scottsdale, Arizona is going to say, "Hang on a Arizona is going to say, "Hang on a Arizona is going to say, "Hang on a second. You know, before I do any second. You know, before I do any second. You know, before I do any surgery with you, you should try the ice surgery with you, you should try the ice surgery with you, you should try the ice bath protocol cuz that worked for a bath protocol cuz that worked for a bath protocol cuz that worked for a patient that I'll put him out of patient that I'll put him out of patient that I'll put him out of business. It doesn't make any sense." business. It doesn't make any sense." business. It doesn't make any sense." >> So instead, I wrote an article, you >> So instead, I wrote an article, you >> So instead, I wrote an article, you know, like this is what happened to my know, like this is what happened to my know, like this is what happened to my testosterone when I was doing ice baths testosterone when I was doing ice baths testosterone when I was doing ice baths to treat my prostate. Danny, nobody to treat my prostate. Danny, nobody to treat my prostate. Danny, nobody reads my articles. Like I put it up on reads my articles. Like I put it up on reads my articles. Like I put it up on moroscoforge.com. moroscoforge.com. moroscoforge.com. Nobody cared. But then I'm going to Nobody cared. But then I'm going to Nobody cared. But then I'm going to Iceland. I was going with a girlfriend I Iceland. I was going with a girlfriend I Iceland. I was going with a girlfriend I had at the time in December. It's going had at the time in December. It's going had at the time in December. It's going to be dark. We're going to see the to be dark. We're going to see the to be dark. We're going to see the northern lights. So we're on this plane. northern lights. So we're on this plane. northern lights. So we're on this plane. I land in Rechevc and I got to find this I land in Rechevc and I got to find this I land in Rechevc and I got to find this rental car under like 3 ft of snow. I
13:00rental car under like 3 ft of snow. I rental car under like 3 ft of snow. I have no, you know, the worst part of the have no, you know, the worst part of the have no, you know, the worst part of the rental car is always trying to find the rental car is always trying to find the rental car is always trying to find the car and I have to brush off all this and car and I have to brush off all this and car and I have to brush off all this and my phone now that it's back on it's my phone now that it's back on it's my phone now that it's back on it's going and all these signals. I get into going and all these signals. I get into going and all these signals. I get into the car and I open up my phone in the the car and I open up my phone in the the car and I open up my phone in the cold and all these people are saying, "I cold and all these people are saying, "I cold and all these people are saying, "I saw you on the Joe Rogan Show." I'm saw you on the Joe Rogan Show." I'm saw you on the Joe Rogan Show." I'm like, "No, no, no, no. I think I would like, "No, no, no, no. I think I would like, "No, no, no, no. I think I would know if I was on Joe Rogan's podcast." know if I was on Joe Rogan's podcast." know if I was on Joe Rogan's podcast." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> He read my article. He put my picture up >> He read my article. He put my picture up >> He read my article. He put my picture up there and he said to David Gogggins, there and he said to David Gogggins, there and he said to David Gogggins, "I've been doing something different." "I've been doing something different." "I've been doing something different." This was December 2022. I have been This was December 2022. I have been This was December 2022. I have been doing the ice bath before I do the doing the ice bath before I do the doing the ice bath before I do the exercise. I've been doing this three exercise. I've been doing this three exercise. I've been doing this three days. And Gogggins is like, "Well, how's days. And Gogggins is like, "Well, how's days. And Gogggins is like, "Well, how's that working?" And Joe's like, "It's that working?" And Joe's like, "It's that working?" And Joe's like, "It's hard, but it's working." Now, guys all hard, but it's working." Now, guys all hard, but it's working." Now, guys all over, they pause the video and they zoom over, they pause the video and they zoom over, they pause the video and they zoom in and they found my picture and they in and they found my picture and they in and they found my picture and they found my article. They're reading the found my article. They're reading the found my article. They're reading the stuff. They're trying this protocol and stuff. They're trying this protocol and stuff. They're trying this protocol and they send me their labs from all over they send me their labs from all over they send me their labs from all over the world. So, I did some pretty well. the world. So, I did some pretty well. the world. So, I did some pretty well. You got it right here. I did the case
14:00You got it right here. I did the case You got it right here. I did the case studies and I wrote them up in uncommon studies and I wrote them up in uncommon studies and I wrote them up in uncommon testosterone. testosterone. testosterone. >> Yes. The first one was cold and then the >> Yes. The first one was cold and then the >> Yes. The first one was cold and then the second one this more recent one is second one this more recent one is second one this more recent one is uncommon testosterone, uncommon testosterone, uncommon testosterone, >> right? Uh this the only one of them can >> right? Uh this the only one of them can >> right? Uh this the only one of them can you get on Amazon. So uncommon you get on Amazon. So uncommon you get on Amazon. So uncommon testosterone you can get on Amazon. I'll testosterone you can get on Amazon. I'll testosterone you can get on Amazon. I'll have uncommon cold up there I think um have uncommon cold up there I think um have uncommon cold up there I think um probably a week or two after this probably a week or two after this probably a week or two after this podcast comes out. podcast comes out. podcast comes out. >> I started writing down the stories of >> I started writing down the stories of >> I started writing down the stories of the people who were trying this the people who were trying this the people who were trying this pre-cooling protocol, what happened to pre-cooling protocol, what happened to pre-cooling protocol, what happened to them. They send me their labs. So these them. They send me their labs. So these them. They send me their labs. So these are documented with real numbers. This are documented with real numbers. This are documented with real numbers. This is men and women who have way boosted is men and women who have way boosted is men and women who have way boosted their testosterone levels. Listen, I their testosterone levels. Listen, I their testosterone levels. Listen, I just learned about this badass new just learned about this badass new just learned about this badass new feature that YouTube's rolling out feature that YouTube's rolling out feature that YouTube's rolling out called subscribe. Over 51% of the people called subscribe. Over 51% of the people called subscribe. Over 51% of the people that watch the show haven't hit our that watch the show haven't hit our that watch the show haven't hit our subscribe button. So, if you just hit subscribe button. So, if you just hit subscribe button. So, if you just hit that little red button below, you're that little red button below, you're that little red button below, you're going to help us continue to get more going to help us continue to get more going to help us continue to get more exciting guests for you to listen to. exciting guests for you to listen to. exciting guests for you to listen to. But I also wrote about two case studies But I also wrote about two case studies But I also wrote about two case studies where it didn't work at all. where it didn't work at all. where it didn't work at all. >> And so, you got to why does it work for >> And so, you got to why does it work for >> And so, you got to why does it work for some people, but it doesn't work for some people, but it doesn't work for some people, but it doesn't work for others. others. others. >> Yeah. In one case, there was a medical
15:00>> Yeah. In one case, there was a medical >> Yeah. In one case, there was a medical doctor in Canada and he was taking a doctor in Canada and he was taking a doctor in Canada and he was taking a medication that suppresses testosterone medication that suppresses testosterone medication that suppresses testosterone synthesis, so it didn't work for him. synthesis, so it didn't work for him. synthesis, so it didn't work for him. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> And another guy had been on TRT for 3 >> And another guy had been on TRT for 3 >> And another guy had been on TRT for 3 years. And he was one of the unusual men years. And he was one of the unusual men years. And he was one of the unusual men that said, "Well, I want to go back to that said, "Well, I want to go back to that said, "Well, I want to go back to being natural and see how that feels." being natural and see how that feels." being natural and see how that feels." His testosterone came down. He says, His testosterone came down. He says, His testosterone came down. He says, "I'm going to try this protocol "I'm going to try this protocol "I'm going to try this protocol instead." And it didn't it didn't rescue instead." And it didn't it didn't rescue instead." And it didn't it didn't rescue a low testosterone. He was like in the a low testosterone. He was like in the a low testosterone. He was like in the 600s or something. He wanted to do 600s or something. He wanted to do 600s or something. He wanted to do better. When you're on TRT, better. When you're on TRT, better. When you're on TRT, even if you're taking the the female even if you're taking the the female even if you're taking the the female placental hormone drugs that will placental hormone drugs that will placental hormone drugs that will maintain your sperm production, maintain your sperm production, maintain your sperm production, >> your gonads lose the uh ability, lose >> your gonads lose the uh ability, lose >> your gonads lose the uh ability, lose the capacity to produce your own the capacity to produce your own the capacity to produce your own testosterone. So you you've been on TRT testosterone. So you you've been on TRT testosterone. So you you've been on TRT for years, your body knows you got for years, your body knows you got for years, your body knows you got plenty of testosterone. instead of plenty of testosterone. instead of plenty of testosterone. instead of signaling the gonads to make more, signaling the gonads to make more, signaling the gonads to make more, they're like, "Hey, gonads, take a they're like, "Hey, gonads, take a they're like, "Hey, gonads, take a break." Because, you know, we're getting
16:00break." Because, you know, we're getting break." Because, you know, we're getting it from injections or we're getting it it from injections or we're getting it it from injections or we're getting it from creams or whatever. We don't know from creams or whatever. We don't know from creams or whatever. We don't know whether this guy will be able to bring whether this guy will be able to bring whether this guy will be able to bring his testicles back online, so to speak, his testicles back online, so to speak, his testicles back online, so to speak, but that's his health goal. That's what but that's his health goal. That's what but that's his health goal. That's what he wants to try and he's got to take he wants to try and he's got to take he wants to try and he's got to take care of his mitochondria to do it. So, care of his mitochondria to do it. So, care of his mitochondria to do it. So, I'd like to check in with him in another I'd like to check in with him in another I'd like to check in with him in another year. How are your levels? He's making year. How are your levels? He's making year. How are your levels? He's making some, but he might not be all the way some, but he might not be all the way some, but he might not be all the way back. And this is the one thing that back. And this is the one thing that back. And this is the one thing that bothers me about TRT. bothers me about TRT. bothers me about TRT. >> How long was this guy on it before he >> How long was this guy on it before he >> How long was this guy on it before he tried? Three years. tried? Three years. tried? Three years. >> Three years. >> Three years. >> Three years. >> There are other people who have been on >> There are other people who have been on >> There are other people who have been on for longer, quit. And from what they for longer, quit. And from what they for longer, quit. And from what they say, rebound. They're okay. Yeah. But in say, rebound. They're okay. Yeah. But in say, rebound. They're okay. Yeah. But in his particular case, now you and I uh we his particular case, now you and I uh we his particular case, now you and I uh we both know Mark Bell. both know Mark Bell. both know Mark Bell. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's delightful. Wicked smart. He's like >> He's delightful. Wicked smart. He's like >> He's delightful. Wicked smart. He's like a scientist, you know, working on his a scientist, you know, working on his a scientist, you know, working on his own body. He's never going to maybe he own body. He's never going to maybe he own body. He's never going to maybe he will in the interest of science or will in the interest of science or will in the interest of science or something quit you know taking steroids something quit you know taking steroids something quit you know taking steroids someday but he's found something that someday but he's found something that someday but he's found something that works for him and I remember Huberman works for him and I remember Huberman works for him and I remember Huberman saying once saying once saying once >> he's a freak who eats Skittles every day >> he's a freak who eats Skittles every day >> he's a freak who eats Skittles every day where he works out
17:00where he works out where he works out >> right now he's trying this sugar diet >> right now he's trying this sugar diet >> right now he's trying this sugar diet >> psycho Mark Bell >> psycho Mark Bell >> psycho Mark Bell >> God bless him because he can go do the >> God bless him because he can go do the >> God bless him because he can go do the crazy things that I don't have the crazy things that I don't have the crazy things that I don't have the courage to try and then he can podcast courage to try and then he can podcast courage to try and then he can podcast about it tell the world hey this is what about it tell the world hey this is what about it tell the world hey this is what happened to me when I tried the sugar happened to me when I tried the sugar happened to me when I tried the sugar diet and I think that's a ridiculous diet and I think that's a ridiculous diet and I think that's a ridiculous idea but he brings a sugar way up, his idea but he brings a sugar way up, his idea but he brings a sugar way up, his protein way down, his fat way down, and protein way down, his fat way down, and protein way down, his fat way down, and then he reports what happens to his body then he reports what happens to his body then he reports what happens to his body composition. And I guess if you do this composition. And I guess if you do this composition. And I guess if you do this temporarily, you can get some temporarily, you can get some temporarily, you can get some improvements in body composition. Thank improvements in body composition. Thank improvements in body composition. Thank God Mark Bell's experimenting. God Mark Bell's experimenting. God Mark Bell's experimenting. >> What he's not telling us is what happens >> What he's not telling us is what happens >> What he's not telling us is what happens when a man decides he wants to go when a man decides he wants to go when a man decides he wants to go natural. the boost that you get in your natural. the boost that you get in your natural. the boost that you get in your mood and your energy and your mood and your energy and your mood and your energy and your competitive drive and your motivation. competitive drive and your motivation. competitive drive and your motivation. When you fix low testosterone, it is When you fix low testosterone, it is When you fix low testosterone, it is like changing the quality of your life like changing the quality of your life like changing the quality of your life as if you've turned the lights back on. as if you've turned the lights back on. as if you've turned the lights back on. And this is what men are telling me, men And this is what men are telling me, men And this is what men are telling me, men who are in the 200s or the 300s and they who are in the 200s or the 300s and they who are in the 200s or the 300s and they get themselves up into 900 territory and get themselves up into 900 territory and get themselves up into 900 territory and they're like, I'm never going to go they're like, I'm never going to go they're like, I'm never going to go back. So, I think a lot of guys will back. So, I think a lot of guys will back. So, I think a lot of guys will stay on TRT because they're afraid. They
18:00stay on TRT because they're afraid. They stay on TRT because they're afraid. They don't want to lapse back into depression don't want to lapse back into depression don't want to lapse back into depression and low energy. But for those people who and low energy. But for those people who and low energy. But for those people who are ready to quit, they got to wake are ready to quit, they got to wake are ready to quit, they got to wake their nads back up. For women, it's their nads back up. For women, it's their nads back up. For women, it's different. When a woman goes into different. When a woman goes into different. When a woman goes into menopause, her ovaries, it should be menopause, her ovaries, it should be menopause, her ovaries, it should be clear, are just not as active. But only clear, are just not as active. But only clear, are just not as active. But only 25% of the testosterone in a woman's 25% of the testosterone in a woman's 25% of the testosterone in a woman's body is made in the ovaries. So the rest body is made in the ovaries. So the rest body is made in the ovaries. So the rest of it comes from skin cells, fat cells, of it comes from skin cells, fat cells, of it comes from skin cells, fat cells, and adrenal glands. There's no reason and adrenal glands. There's no reason and adrenal glands. There's no reason for a post-menopausal woman to have low for a post-menopausal woman to have low for a post-menopausal woman to have low tea. just because her ovaries aren't as tea. just because her ovaries aren't as tea. just because her ovaries aren't as active. If she gets in the ice bath, she active. If she gets in the ice bath, she active. If she gets in the ice bath, she stimulates her skin, fat, and adrenal stimulates her skin, fat, and adrenal stimulates her skin, fat, and adrenal glands. So, I got two case studies of glands. So, I got two case studies of glands. So, I got two case studies of women. One who he's she's 32, uh she's women. One who he's she's 32, uh she's women. One who he's she's 32, uh she's still fertile, she's still menr, she's still fertile, she's still menr, she's still fertile, she's still menr, she's on a regular cycle, she doubled her on a regular cycle, she doubled her on a regular cycle, she doubled her testosterone levels after her ice path testosterone levels after her ice path testosterone levels after her ice path practice. But another woman, she had her practice. But another woman, she had her practice. But another woman, she had her ovaries and her uterus surgically ovaries and her uterus surgically ovaries and her uterus surgically removed. She's post-menopausal. She's in
19:00removed. She's post-menopausal. She's in removed. She's post-menopausal. She's in her early 60s. She was on hormone her early 60s. She was on hormone her early 60s. She was on hormone replacement therapy when she started replacement therapy when she started replacement therapy when she started doing ice baths. She went from 14 to doing ice baths. She went from 14 to doing ice baths. She went from 14 to over 160 nanogs per deciliter in over 160 nanogs per deciliter in over 160 nanogs per deciliter in testosterone. And then her doctor was testosterone. And then her doctor was testosterone. And then her doctor was like, "We got to get you off the the like, "We got to get you off the the like, "We got to get you off the the you're you are plenty high." So I asked you're you are plenty high." So I asked you're you are plenty high." So I asked her, you know, are you growing a her, you know, are you growing a her, you know, are you growing a mustache? Like are are you feeling mustache? Like are are you feeling mustache? Like are are you feeling masculineized? She goes, I feel great. masculineized? She goes, I feel great. masculineized? She goes, I feel great. >> I feel great, Tom. >> I feel great, Tom. >> I feel great, Tom. >> She didn't sound like that at all, but >> She didn't sound like that at all, but >> She didn't sound like that at all, but you get the you get the point, right? you get the you get the point, right? you get the you get the point, right? Yeah. What would be the benefit for Yeah. What would be the benefit for Yeah. What would be the benefit for somebody like Rogan though? Because he's somebody like Rogan though? Because he's somebody like Rogan though? Because he's on TRT. He's been on it forever on TRT. He's been on it forever on TRT. He's been on it forever according to him. Um, and if he's doing according to him. Um, and if he's doing according to him. Um, and if he's doing the the workouts after the cold, then I the the workouts after the cold, then I the the workouts after the cold, then I mean, you can't can people that are on mean, you can't can people that are on mean, you can't can people that are on testosterone increase their natural testosterone increase their natural testosterone increase their natural testosterone by doing this? I don't have testosterone by doing this? I don't have testosterone by doing this? I don't have any labs from Rogan. Uh, I mean, I've any labs from Rogan. Uh, I mean, I've any labs from Rogan. Uh, I mean, I've watched what he says, what he's told me. watched what he says, what he's told me. watched what he says, what he's told me. Um, and we can take him at his word Um, and we can take him at his word Um, and we can take him at his word here, but I'm going to speak to people here, but I'm going to speak to people here, but I'm going to speak to people who are using TRT and Ice Bass at the who are using TRT and Ice Bass at the who are using TRT and Ice Bass at the same time. same time. same time. One of them was a former airborne. He
20:00One of them was a former airborne. He One of them was a former airborne. He was medically discharged. He was doing a was medically discharged. He was doing a was medically discharged. He was doing a jump. He broke his hip. So, this guy is jump. He broke his hip. So, this guy is jump. He broke his hip. So, this guy is a military vet. He's jacked, but he was a military vet. He's jacked, but he was a military vet. He's jacked, but he was also depressed and contemplating also depressed and contemplating also depressed and contemplating suicide. His tea was down at like 220. suicide. His tea was down at like 220. suicide. His tea was down at like 220. His doctor said, "Let's get your His doctor said, "Let's get your His doctor said, "Let's get your testosterone up. See how you feel." So, testosterone up. See how you feel." So, testosterone up. See how you feel." So, he got up to like 700s, 800. And then he he got up to like 700s, 800. And then he he got up to like 700s, 800. And then he started doing ice baths. His mood started doing ice baths. His mood started doing ice baths. His mood improved. His testosterone went up to improved. His testosterone went up to improved. His testosterone went up to 1,400. So when he was stacking the TRT 1,400. So when he was stacking the TRT 1,400. So when he was stacking the TRT on top of the ice baths and then on top of the ice baths and then on top of the ice baths and then exercise protocol, it's like he got the exercise protocol, it's like he got the exercise protocol, it's like he got the double extra boost. double extra boost. double extra boost. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Right. Now that guy, I think of him as >> Right. Now that guy, I think of him as >> Right. Now that guy, I think of him as an extreme athlete. He's working out all an extreme athlete. He's working out all an extreme athlete. He's working out all the time and his mental health really the time and his mental health really the time and his mental health really requires it. requires it. requires it. >> So the TRT got him up to like 7 the 700s >> So the TRT got him up to like 7 the 700s >> So the TRT got him up to like 7 the 700s and then the ice bath got him into 1100. and then the ice bath got him into 1100. and then the ice bath got him into 1100. >> 700 totally normal. That's a good >> 700 totally normal. That's a good >> 700 totally normal. That's a good reading. Um middle-aged man in the 700s reading. Um middle-aged man in the 700s reading. Um middle-aged man in the 700s is doing fine. But the ice bath gave him is doing fine. But the ice bath gave him is doing fine. But the ice bath gave him another like almost doubling. So, but another like almost doubling. So, but another like almost doubling. So, but that's that's that's >> I would be curious to see if people
21:00>> I would be curious to see if people >> I would be curious to see if people could go on testosterone replacement could go on testosterone replacement could go on testosterone replacement therapy while doing ice plunges and therapy while doing ice plunges and therapy while doing ice plunges and workouts every day. workouts every day. workouts every day. >> That's what he did. >> That's what he did. >> That's what he did. >> And completely maintain their natural >> And completely maintain their natural >> And completely maintain their natural production. production. production. >> I would be curious >> I would be curious >> I would be curious >> if not elevate it simultaneously while >> if not elevate it simultaneously while >> if not elevate it simultaneously while taking exogenous testosterone. taking exogenous testosterone. taking exogenous testosterone. >> So, I got a couple of case studies like >> So, I got a couple of case studies like >> So, I got a couple of case studies like that. But let me finish with this like that. But let me finish with this like that. But let me finish with this like stacking. There was another guy u he's stacking. There was another guy u he's stacking. There was another guy u he's just a businessman. and he's not like just a businessman. and he's not like just a businessman. and he's not like special forces or anything and he's not special forces or anything and he's not special forces or anything and he's not working out hard. Very similar story, working out hard. Very similar story, working out hard. Very similar story, low tea, went on TRT, he got a good low tea, went on TRT, he got a good low tea, went on TRT, he got a good boost from his TRT like he's medically boost from his TRT like he's medically boost from his TRT like he's medically supposed to and then he got up into the supposed to and then he got up into the supposed to and then he got up into the 1100s when he started doing ice baths. 1100s when he started doing ice baths. 1100s when he started doing ice baths. So those are two case studies and they So those are two case studies and they So those are two case studies and they show that there is some there's the show that there is some there's the show that there is some there's the potential for this supplemental effect potential for this supplemental effect potential for this supplemental effect that when you're doing ice baths and that when you're doing ice baths and that when you're doing ice baths and then exercise, you're still stimulating then exercise, you're still stimulating then exercise, you're still stimulating the mitochondria. You're still doing the the mitochondria. You're still doing the the mitochondria. You're still doing the mitobiogenesis. you're still getting mitobiogenesis. you're still getting mitobiogenesis. you're still getting stimulation in your gonads to make stimulation in your gonads to make stimulation in your gonads to make additional testosterone. additional testosterone. additional testosterone. >> Now, you could back off your TRT. You >> Now, you could back off your TRT. You >> Now, you could back off your TRT. You could maybe taper off the TRT. To my
22:00could maybe taper off the TRT. To my could maybe taper off the TRT. To my knowledge, neither of these case studies knowledge, neither of these case studies knowledge, neither of these case studies have done that. have done that. have done that. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But there are other case studies. And >> But there are other case studies. And >> But there are other case studies. And these are men who were low these are men who were low these are men who were low >> and they said, "I don't want to do TRT. >> and they said, "I don't want to do TRT. >> and they said, "I don't want to do TRT. I want to try natural first." And guys I want to try natural first." And guys I want to try natural first." And guys down 400 and below. And then they start down 400 and below. And then they start down 400 and below. And then they start doing ice baths and exercise. One guy, doing ice baths and exercise. One guy, doing ice baths and exercise. One guy, 30 days, he tripled his total 30 days, he tripled his total 30 days, he tripled his total testosterone. He was down in the 300s. testosterone. He was down in the 300s. testosterone. He was down in the 300s. He wound up in the 900s. He lost 25 lbs. He wound up in the 900s. He lost 25 lbs. He wound up in the 900s. He lost 25 lbs. He was doing a lot of things. He was He was doing a lot of things. He was He was doing a lot of things. He was doing some keto. He was eating very doing some keto. He was eating very doing some keto. He was eating very clean. So, all of these things are going clean. So, all of these things are going clean. So, all of these things are going to support his mitochondria. And ice to support his mitochondria. And ice to support his mitochondria. And ice baths every day were part of that baths every day were part of that baths every day were part of that regimen. He was freezing like 33°. He regimen. He was freezing like 33°. He regimen. He was freezing like 33°. He would do 20 minutes, which I don't would do 20 minutes, which I don't would do 20 minutes, which I don't recommend. I think he's overdoing it. recommend. I think he's overdoing it. recommend. I think he's overdoing it. And that And that And that >> 33? >> 33? >> 33? >> Yeah. Which is pretty freaking >> Yeah. Which is pretty freaking >> Yeah. Which is pretty freaking incredible. Uh, I think that's too much. incredible. Uh, I think that's too much. incredible. Uh, I think that's too much. >> That's psycho, >> That's psycho, >> That's psycho, >> right? I agree. And yet he was doing the >> right? I agree. And yet he was doing the >> right? I agree. And yet he was doing the rebounding. He wanted results fast. So, rebounding. He wanted results fast. So, rebounding. He wanted results fast. So, he was dosing himself way more than I he was dosing himself way more than I he was dosing himself way more than I would have recommended. And he doesn't would have recommended. And he doesn't would have recommended. And he doesn't do 20 minutes anymore, as far as I know.
23:00do 20 minutes anymore, as far as I know. do 20 minutes anymore, as far as I know. But then he was doing rebounding, so But then he was doing rebounding, so But then he was doing rebounding, so very light exercise, just reworming his very light exercise, just reworming his very light exercise, just reworming his limbs, you know, jumping up and down on limbs, you know, jumping up and down on limbs, you know, jumping up and down on the trampoline. Boom. Fastest the trampoline. Boom. Fastest the trampoline. Boom. Fastest testosterone ramp I've ever seen. Other testosterone ramp I've ever seen. Other testosterone ramp I've ever seen. Other people have nearly duplicated those people have nearly duplicated those people have nearly duplicated those results. It's like over a period of four results. It's like over a period of four results. It's like over a period of four or five weeks added 400 500 points to or five weeks added 400 500 points to or five weeks added 400 500 points to their total testosterone levels. And the their total testosterone levels. And the their total testosterone levels. And the reason is reason is reason is >> their mitochondria were jacked up when >> their mitochondria were jacked up when >> their mitochondria were jacked up when they the reason that their testosterone they the reason that their testosterone they the reason that their testosterone was low is because their mitochondria was low is because their mitochondria was low is because their mitochondria weren't working right. When you do and weren't working right. When you do and weren't working right. When you do and it only takes a couple of weeks. When it only takes a couple of weeks. When it only takes a couple of weeks. When you do ice baths and you're doing them you do ice baths and you're doing them you do ice baths and you're doing them every day, you stimulate what's called every day, you stimulate what's called every day, you stimulate what's called mitobiogenesis. mitobiogenesis. mitobiogenesis. You will recruit new brown fat into your You will recruit new brown fat into your You will recruit new brown fat into your body. You will improve your insulin body. You will improve your insulin body. You will improve your insulin sensitivity. You will fix your sensitivity. You will fix your sensitivity. You will fix your metabolism. And part of that seems to be metabolism. And part of that seems to be metabolism. And part of that seems to be stimulation of the mitochondria in your stimulation of the mitochondria in your stimulation of the mitochondria in your testicles or in the case of women, but testicles or in the case of women, but testicles or in the case of women, but men too in the adrenal glands and the men too in the adrenal glands and the men too in the adrenal glands and the fat cells and the skin cells that are fat cells and the skin cells that are fat cells and the skin cells that are also secondary sources of testosterone also secondary sources of testosterone also secondary sources of testosterone to make more testosterone.
24:00to make more testosterone. to make more testosterone. Even if you're on TRT, which for some Even if you're on TRT, which for some Even if you're on TRT, which for some guys is a miracle, u if you're faced guys is a miracle, u if you're faced guys is a miracle, u if you're faced with the choice of boosting your with the choice of boosting your with the choice of boosting your testosterone or checking out of this testosterone or checking out of this testosterone or checking out of this world, I would much rather have the guy world, I would much rather have the guy world, I would much rather have the guy on the testosterone. What I don't want on the testosterone. What I don't want on the testosterone. What I don't want is to see a man get trapped in a is to see a man get trapped in a is to see a man get trapped in a pharmaceutical dependency that lasts for pharmaceutical dependency that lasts for pharmaceutical dependency that lasts for the rest of his life. So again, with the the rest of his life. So again, with the the rest of his life. So again, with the caveat that I don't give medical advice. caveat that I don't give medical advice. caveat that I don't give medical advice. I just explain what do the clinical I just explain what do the clinical I just explain what do the clinical trials say. You know, what happened to trials say. You know, what happened to trials say. You know, what happened to these other guys? these other guys? these other guys? >> In Joe's case, I think he's primarily >> In Joe's case, I think he's primarily >> In Joe's case, I think he's primarily using it for the mental benefits. Yeah, using it for the mental benefits. Yeah, using it for the mental benefits. Yeah, >> he's he's huge. He's ripped. He's not >> he's he's huge. He's ripped. He's not >> he's he's huge. He's ripped. He's not getting in there going, I want to cut getting in there going, I want to cut getting in there going, I want to cut another 1% off of my body fat or I feel another 1% off of my body fat or I feel another 1% off of my body fat or I feel like I need the extra boost of the like I need the extra boost of the like I need the extra boost of the muscles. Yeah. If you listen to him and muscles. Yeah. If you listen to him and muscles. Yeah. If you listen to him and what he's explained to me is he goes in what he's explained to me is he goes in what he's explained to me is he goes in that freezing cold water. He goes short that freezing cold water. He goes short that freezing cold water. He goes short now because there is a psychological
25:00now because there is a psychological now because there is a psychological thing that happens every day when you do thing that happens every day when you do thing that happens every day when you do this. He says you got to kill your inner this. He says you got to kill your inner this. He says you got to kill your inner [ __ ] No apologies, no negotiation. You [ __ ] No apologies, no negotiation. You [ __ ] No apologies, no negotiation. You just get into that ice bath because it's just get into that ice bath because it's just get into that ice bath because it's so hard. When you get out, you got the so hard. When you get out, you got the so hard. When you get out, you got the noradrenaline, you got the dopamine noradrenaline, you got the dopamine noradrenaline, you got the dopamine boost. boost. boost. >> Then he will work out. He wants the >> Then he will work out. He wants the >> Then he will work out. He wants the testosterone boost. You got all the testosterone boost. You got all the testosterone boost. You got all the energy that you need to face your day. energy that you need to face your day. energy that you need to face your day. So, I think Joe is going cold and short So, I think Joe is going cold and short So, I think Joe is going cold and short for the psychological for the psychological for the psychological >> What do you mean short? How long is >> What do you mean short? How long is >> What do you mean short? How long is that? that? that? >> Two to four minutes. Okay. >> Two to four minutes. Okay. >> Two to four minutes. Okay. >> 20 minutes. >> 20 minutes. >> 20 minutes. >> Joe did a 20-minute ice bath and it was >> Joe did a 20-minute ice bath and it was >> Joe did a 20-minute ice bath and it was probably the most boring 20 minutes that probably the most boring 20 minutes that probably the most boring 20 minutes that Joe Rogan has ever posted to Instagram Joe Rogan has ever posted to Instagram Joe Rogan has ever posted to Instagram cuz it's just him. cuz it's just him. cuz it's just him. >> He filmed the whole thing. >> He filmed the whole thing. >> He filmed the whole thing. >> He filmed the whole thing. Well, he had >> He filmed the whole thing. Well, he had >> He filmed the whole thing. Well, he had to because the way I understand it, Jaco to because the way I understand it, Jaco to because the way I understand it, Jaco saw And what temp? saw And what temp? saw And what temp? >> That was 32°. They're 32 1/2. You know, >> That was 32°. They're 32 1/2. You know, >> That was 32°. They're 32 1/2. You know, that's the freezing point of water. He that's the freezing point of water. He that's the freezing point of water. He did his first ice bath ever. It was in a did his first ice bath ever. It was in a did his first ice bath ever. It was in a Morasco. And I guess according to him, Morasco. And I guess according to him, Morasco. And I guess according to him, Jaco called him up and shamed him a
26:00Jaco called him up and shamed him a Jaco called him up and shamed him a little bit and saying, "Minute and a little bit and saying, "Minute and a little bit and saying, "Minute and a half. What are you doing, man? My half. What are you doing, man? My half. What are you doing, man? My teenage son does 20 minutes." So Joe had teenage son does 20 minutes." So Joe had teenage son does 20 minutes." So Joe had to set up his camera and prove to the to set up his camera and prove to the to set up his camera and prove to the world that he was tough enough to do 20 world that he was tough enough to do 20 world that he was tough enough to do 20 minutes. This is not the way to do it. minutes. This is not the way to do it. minutes. This is not the way to do it. Like Like Like >> we all know you're tough, but if you're >> we all know you're tough, but if you're >> we all know you're tough, but if you're going to make it 20 minutes, I've never going to make it 20 minutes, I've never going to make it 20 minutes, I've never seen, you know, a bodybuilder, a seen, you know, a bodybuilder, a seen, you know, a bodybuilder, a football player really tough it out. The football player really tough it out. The football player really tough it out. The only way to do it is to surrender and be only way to do it is to surrender and be only way to do it is to surrender and be like, like, like, >> "That's it. I'm going to die right here. >> "That's it. I'm going to die right here. >> "That's it. I'm going to die right here. I'm at peace with the world. It's okay." I'm at peace with the world. It's okay." I'm at peace with the world. It's okay." I I don't know really what Joe's I I don't know really what Joe's I I don't know really what Joe's meditation was like to get through that meditation was like to get through that meditation was like to get through that 20. M 20. M 20. M >> but there was one of the kids who saw >> but there was one of the kids who saw >> but there was one of the kids who saw him and um she has cerebral palsy. She him and um she has cerebral palsy. She him and um she has cerebral palsy. She was 13. She did her first ice bath when was 13. She did her first ice bath when was 13. She did her first ice bath when she was nine she was nine she was nine >> and it felt really good on her legs >> and it felt really good on her legs >> and it felt really good on her legs because she doesn't have the same because she doesn't have the same because she doesn't have the same sensations that you and I were having. sensations that you and I were having. sensations that you and I were having. Her mother let her do the ice bath Her mother let her do the ice bath Her mother let her do the ice bath because she was reporting how good this because she was reporting how good this because she was reporting how good this felt on her feet. She saw that Joe Rogan
27:00felt on her feet. She saw that Joe Rogan felt on her feet. She saw that Joe Rogan did the 20 and she said, "Mom, I want to did the 20 and she said, "Mom, I want to did the 20 and she said, "Mom, I want to beat him." So, you know, she got into my beat him." So, you know, she got into my beat him." So, you know, she got into my ice bath and her mom was texting me and ice bath and her mom was texting me and ice bath and her mom was texting me and she's like, "Is this okay?" And I'm she's like, "Is this okay?" And I'm she's like, "Is this okay?" And I'm like, "It's fine." You know, I don't like, "It's fine." You know, I don't like, "It's fine." You know, I don't recommend 20 minutes, but it's not recommend 20 minutes, but it's not recommend 20 minutes, but it's not harmful. You'd have to go for like an harmful. You'd have to go for like an harmful. You'd have to go for like an hour for hypothermia to really set in. hour for hypothermia to really set in. hour for hypothermia to really set in. >> She goes, "Well, it's been 20 minutes. >> She goes, "Well, it's been 20 minutes. >> She goes, "Well, it's been 20 minutes. She just beat Joe. Should I get her She just beat Joe. Should I get her She just beat Joe. Should I get her out?" And I'm like, you know, kids know out?" And I'm like, you know, kids know out?" And I'm like, you know, kids know kids know when to get out. Turns out kids know when to get out. Turns out kids know when to get out. Turns out this child super competitive. Like even this child super competitive. Like even this child super competitive. Like even though she knows that she has, you know, though she knows that she has, you know, though she knows that she has, you know, she's one of the special needs kids at she's one of the special needs kids at she's one of the special needs kids at school, she doesn't want anybody to school, she doesn't want anybody to school, she doesn't want anybody to notice. Like she has overcome. The notice. Like she has overcome. The notice. Like she has overcome. The doctor said she might never walk. Now doctor said she might never walk. Now doctor said she might never walk. Now she's running around because she has a she's running around because she has a she's running around because she has a very strong will. 25 minutes. She looks very strong will. 25 minutes. She looks very strong will. 25 minutes. She looks okay, but I don't know. I'm really okay, but I don't know. I'm really okay, but I don't know. I'm really worried. She's fine. She'll know when to worried. She's fine. She'll know when to worried. She's fine. She'll know when to come out. 28 minutes. I feel like maybe come out. 28 minutes. I feel like maybe come out. 28 minutes. I feel like maybe I should take her out. I'm like, I don't I should take her out. I'm like, I don't I should take her out. I'm like, I don't know. I don't want to be the one to know. I don't want to be the one to know. I don't want to be the one to You're the mom. You know, she's the kid. You're the mom. You know, she's the kid. You're the mom. You know, she's the kid. I'm not there. 30 minutes. Get her the I'm not there. 30 minutes. Get her the I'm not there. 30 minutes. Get her the hell out of there. Like, what is she
28:00hell out of there. Like, what is she hell out of there. Like, what is she thinking? You know, she could barely thinking? You know, she could barely thinking? You know, she could barely walk because one of the things that will walk because one of the things that will walk because one of the things that will happen if you stay in too long. You lose happen if you stay in too long. You lose happen if you stay in too long. You lose dexterity. You lose motor control. Now, dexterity. You lose motor control. Now, dexterity. You lose motor control. Now, that's not dangerous. You just shouldn't that's not dangerous. You just shouldn't that's not dangerous. You just shouldn't be driving a car or a forklift or be driving a car or a forklift or be driving a car or a forklift or anything. You know, now you need anything. You know, now you need anything. You know, now you need rewarming. Well, fortunately, I live in rewarming. Well, fortunately, I live in rewarming. Well, fortunately, I live in Phoenix, Arizona, so I have overdone it Phoenix, Arizona, so I have overdone it Phoenix, Arizona, so I have overdone it a couple of times. If I'm trying to a couple of times. If I'm trying to a couple of times. If I'm trying to impress a girl or if I'm shooting an impress a girl or if I'm shooting an impress a girl or if I'm shooting an Instagram video or something like that, Instagram video or something like that, Instagram video or something like that, I've done as much as 22 minutes and then I've done as much as 22 minutes and then I've done as much as 22 minutes and then I have no, you know, my brain fog sets I have no, you know, my brain fog sets I have no, you know, my brain fog sets in. I have no motor control. I can't. in. I have no motor control. I can't. in. I have no motor control. I can't. The answer is rewarming. If you find The answer is rewarming. If you find The answer is rewarming. If you find yourself in a situation where you've yourself in a situation where you've yourself in a situation where you've overdose the cold, get some red light, overdose the cold, get some red light, overdose the cold, get some red light, get a sauna, uh wrap yourself up in a get a sauna, uh wrap yourself up in a get a sauna, uh wrap yourself up in a blanket, rewarm. In her case, I said put blanket, rewarm. In her case, I said put blanket, rewarm. In her case, I said put her in the car. In Phoenix, Arizona, you her in the car. In Phoenix, Arizona, you her in the car. In Phoenix, Arizona, you park a car in the sun in the parking park a car in the sun in the parking park a car in the sun in the parking lot. It's going to be up to 180 degrees lot. It's going to be up to 180 degrees lot. It's going to be up to 180 degrees before you know it, right? Just do a car before you know it, right? Just do a car before you know it, right? Just do a car sauna. You can crank up the heat. You sauna. You can crank up the heat. You sauna. You can crank up the heat. You can go for a little drive if you want.
29:00can go for a little drive if you want. can go for a little drive if you want. She rewarmed. Good rule of thumb is 2 She rewarmed. Good rule of thumb is 2 She rewarmed. Good rule of thumb is 2 minutes of rewarming for every minute minutes of rewarming for every minute minutes of rewarming for every minute that you were in there. So, that would that you were in there. So, that would that you were in there. So, that would be an hour and that's fine. And now she be an hour and that's fine. And now she be an hour and that's fine. And now she has a an experience she can tell her has a an experience she can tell her has a an experience she can tell her schoolmates about how, you know, she schoolmates about how, you know, she schoolmates about how, you know, she beat Joe Rogan. I hope she never does beat Joe Rogan. I hope she never does beat Joe Rogan. I hope she never does that again. that again. that again. >> Good lord. >> Good lord. >> Good lord. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. >> So, when I say cold and short, two to >> So, when I say cold and short, two to >> So, when I say cold and short, two to four minutes. I mean, that's all I I'm four minutes. I mean, that's all I I'm four minutes. I mean, that's all I I'm in there like two, three minutes a day. in there like two, three minutes a day. in there like two, three minutes a day. Sometimes I'll do twice a day. Sometimes I'll do twice a day. Sometimes I'll do twice a day. >> But I don't Every once in a while, >> But I don't Every once in a while, >> But I don't Every once in a while, >> I'll be shooting a video and people on >> I'll be shooting a video and people on >> I'll be shooting a video and people on Instagram will say, "How does he do Instagram will say, "How does he do Instagram will say, "How does he do that?" You know, I I can barely put two that?" You know, I I can barely put two that?" You know, I I can barely put two words together. And the fact is, I'm not words together. And the fact is, I'm not words together. And the fact is, I'm not that great at it. Sometimes I need like that great at it. Sometimes I need like that great at it. Sometimes I need like three takes. You're not seeing when I three takes. You're not seeing when I three takes. You're not seeing when I screwed up. Yeah. and I'll be in there screwed up. Yeah. and I'll be in there screwed up. Yeah. and I'll be in there for eight or nine minutes so we can get for eight or nine minutes so we can get for eight or nine minutes so we can get the take right. Then I'll have to go out the take right. Then I'll have to go out the take right. Then I'll have to go out in the parking lot with the kettle in the parking lot with the kettle in the parking lot with the kettle bells. I'll have to get some exercise. bells. I'll have to get some exercise. bells. I'll have to get some exercise. I'll have to rewarm. It'll take me a I'll have to rewarm. It'll take me a I'll have to rewarm. It'll take me a half an hour. There's no long-term ill
30:00half an hour. There's no long-term ill half an hour. There's no long-term ill effects, but one of the safety protocols effects, but one of the safety protocols effects, but one of the safety protocols that we publish at Morasco is give that we publish at Morasco is give that we publish at Morasco is give yourself time to rewarm before you do yourself time to rewarm before you do yourself time to rewarm before you do anything that requires dexterity. anything that requires dexterity. anything that requires dexterity. >> So, when did this stuff become popular? >> So, when did this stuff become popular? >> So, when did this stuff become popular? Like when did it hit the mainstream? Like when did it hit the mainstream? Like when did it hit the mainstream? because because because I want to say the first time I ever I want to say the first time I ever I want to say the first time I ever heard about um doing this was maybe like heard about um doing this was maybe like heard about um doing this was maybe like 200 200 200 10 10 10 2009. 2009. 2009. >> You were years ahead of me, >> You were years ahead of me, >> You were years ahead of me, >> but like it wasn't on podcasts. I would >> but like it wasn't on podcasts. I would >> but like it wasn't on podcasts. I would see it like you know in sports see it like you know in sports see it like you know in sports documentaries, documentaries, documentaries, >> things like this. >> things like this. >> things like this. >> And I had never even thought about you >> And I had never even thought about you >> And I had never even thought about you know trying to do it for my own benefit. know trying to do it for my own benefit. know trying to do it for my own benefit. Obviously, Obviously, Obviously, >> you're not the quarterback for the >> you're not the quarterback for the >> you're not the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Why would you be Pittsburgh Steelers. Why would you be Pittsburgh Steelers. Why would you be doing it? doing it? doing it? >> Right. And then, you know, eventually, >> Right. And then, you know, eventually, >> Right. And then, you know, eventually, you know, sometimes you see like you know, sometimes you see like you know, sometimes you see like Instagram videos of NFL players like in Instagram videos of NFL players like in Instagram videos of NFL players like in the locker room going in the cold the the locker room going in the cold the the locker room going in the cold the cold water after a game or something cold water after a game or something cold water after a game or something like that. like that. like that. >> The hockey guys are the most ridiculous. >> The hockey guys are the most ridiculous. >> The hockey guys are the most ridiculous. >> They'll like jump right in there in
31:00>> They'll like jump right in there in >> They'll like jump right in there in their uniform and stuff, but they're all their uniform and stuff, but they're all their uniform and stuff, but they're all Canadian, so I suppose they're used to Canadian, so I suppose they're used to Canadian, so I suppose they're used to the cold. the cold. the cold. >> Yes. Well, we have some of the best >> Yes. Well, we have some of the best >> Yes. Well, we have some of the best hockey teams in Florida, too. hockey teams in Florida, too. hockey teams in Florida, too. >> I know. I know. >> I know. I know. >> I know. I know. >> Ironically. Yeah. Um, but so like what >> Ironically. Yeah. Um, but so like what >> Ironically. Yeah. Um, but so like what at what what year and why did it really at what what year and why did it really at what what year and why did it really start to take off in like the start to take off in like the start to take off in like the mainstream? mainstream? mainstream? >> So I think Vim Hoff, you know, swimming >> So I think Vim Hoff, you know, swimming >> So I think Vim Hoff, you know, swimming under the ice and running marathons under the ice and running marathons under the ice and running marathons through Finland and stuff, he did a lot through Finland and stuff, he did a lot through Finland and stuff, he did a lot to popularize it. And then Scott Carney to popularize it. And then Scott Carney to popularize it. And then Scott Carney wrote a book called What Doesn't Kill wrote a book called What Doesn't Kill wrote a book called What Doesn't Kill Us? And it was the first real popular Us? And it was the first real popular Us? And it was the first real popular journalistic account of what Vim Hoff journalistic account of what Vim Hoff journalistic account of what Vim Hoff was doing. Scott prides himself on was doing. Scott prides himself on was doing. Scott prides himself on debunking grifters and charlatans. And debunking grifters and charlatans. And debunking grifters and charlatans. And so Scott went to Poland with Vim Hoff so Scott went to Poland with Vim Hoff so Scott went to Poland with Vim Hoff and he's like, you know, I'm going to and he's like, you know, I'm going to and he's like, you know, I'm going to tell the whole world what a criminal tell the whole world what a criminal tell the whole world what a criminal this guy is. You know, Scott goes this guy is. You know, Scott goes this guy is. You know, Scott goes through the whole program. He winds up through the whole program. He winds up through the whole program. He winds up climbing Mount Kilimanjaro shirtless and climbing Mount Kilimanjaro shirtless and climbing Mount Kilimanjaro shirtless and in shorts and they don't have to stop in shorts and they don't have to stop in shorts and they don't have to stop for elevation sickness or anything like for elevation sickness or anything like for elevation sickness or anything like this.
32:00this. this. >> So Scott and Vim become friends and >> So Scott and Vim become friends and >> So Scott and Vim become friends and Scott becomes a true believer. He's like Scott becomes a true believer. He's like Scott becomes a true believer. He's like what Vimhof is doing is medically what Vimhof is doing is medically what Vimhof is doing is medically verified. He's been in the labs in the verified. He's been in the labs in the verified. He's been in the labs in the Netherlands. They've drawn his blood and Netherlands. They've drawn his blood and Netherlands. They've drawn his blood and they've measured all his like body. He's they've measured all his like body. He's they've measured all his like body. He's got a twin brother. He's been compared got a twin brother. He's been compared got a twin brother. He's been compared to his twin brother. So we're talking to his twin brother. So we're talking to his twin brother. So we're talking genetically identical and there are genetically identical and there are genetically identical and there are things Vimhof can do that his twin things Vimhof can do that his twin things Vimhof can do that his twin brother can't do. brother can't do. brother can't do. >> That's trash. >> That's trash. >> That's trash. >> Great. The book becomes a bestseller and >> Great. The book becomes a bestseller and >> Great. The book becomes a bestseller and I think that put Vim on a lot of uh sort I think that put Vim on a lot of uh sort I think that put Vim on a lot of uh sort of the podcast sort of circuit. of the podcast sort of circuit. of the podcast sort of circuit. Huberman starts his podcast and he grows Huberman starts his podcast and he grows Huberman starts his podcast and he grows explosively. He's a big fan of Cold explosively. He's a big fan of Cold explosively. He's a big fan of Cold Plunge. So, I don't think it was like Plunge. So, I don't think it was like Plunge. So, I don't think it was like one moment unless it was Joe Rogan's one moment unless it was Joe Rogan's one moment unless it was Joe Rogan's first post where he'd had Michaela first post where he'd had Michaela first post where he'd had Michaela Peterson, he'd had Kevin Hart, he'd had Peterson, he'd had Kevin Hart, he'd had Peterson, he'd had Kevin Hart, he'd had Vim Hoff, he'd had Ben Greenfield on his Vim Hoff, he'd had Ben Greenfield on his Vim Hoff, he'd had Ben Greenfield on his podcast and he's asking all these podcast and he's asking all these podcast and he's asking all these people, you know, I've been hearing people, you know, I've been hearing people, you know, I've been hearing about this cold. He told Vim, I've been about this cold. He told Vim, I've been about this cold. He told Vim, I've been dodging the cold my whole life. I don't dodging the cold my whole life. I don't dodging the cold my whole life. I don't want to get in there. But we heard want to get in there. But we heard want to get in there. But we heard through Brigham Beller uh who's a
33:00through Brigham Beller uh who's a through Brigham Beller uh who's a customer. He runs away. Bringham is customer. He runs away. Bringham is customer. He runs away. Bringham is fantastic. The world needs more people fantastic. The world needs more people fantastic. The world needs more people like Brigham as far as I'm concerned. like Brigham as far as I'm concerned. like Brigham as far as I'm concerned. >> And he heard um or we heard that Joe was >> And he heard um or we heard that Joe was >> And he heard um or we heard that Joe was probably ready for an ice bath. He probably ready for an ice bath. He probably ready for an ice bath. He wanted to give this a shot. So I called wanted to give this a shot. So I called wanted to give this a shot. So I called Brigham up and I said, "Look, if Joe's Brigham up and I said, "Look, if Joe's Brigham up and I said, "Look, if Joe's going to do it, I want him to do it in a going to do it, I want him to do it in a going to do it, I want him to do it in a moras co." Bring him like, "All right, moras co." Bring him like, "All right, moras co." Bring him like, "All right, maybe we can set this up." We sent Joe maybe we can set this up." We sent Joe maybe we can set this up." We sent Joe one. It's in his backyard. And he said, one. It's in his backyard. And he said, one. It's in his backyard. And he said, "All right, this is the day." He live "All right, this is the day." He live "All right, this is the day." He live streams it on Instagram. He gets in and streams it on Instagram. He gets in and streams it on Instagram. He gets in and he's like, "Dang, there's a lot of ice he's like, "Dang, there's a lot of ice he's like, "Dang, there's a lot of ice in this ice bath." You know, he has this in this ice bath." You know, he has this in this ice bath." You know, he has this sort of epiphany experience sort of epiphany experience sort of epiphany experience >> and everything changed in like the whole >> and everything changed in like the whole >> and everything changed in like the whole industry. There were maybe three one ice industry. There were maybe three one ice industry. There were maybe three one ice bath company and two cold plunge bath company and two cold plunge bath company and two cold plunge companies in the United States at the companies in the United States at the companies in the United States at the time. Now, you can't like Google cold time. Now, you can't like Google cold time. Now, you can't like Google cold for anything without getting ads from 36 for anything without getting ads from 36 for anything without getting ads from 36 different Chinese-made cold plunge different Chinese-made cold plunge different Chinese-made cold plunge companies inundating this market. It is companies inundating this market. It is companies inundating this market. It is full of deceptive marketing practices
34:00full of deceptive marketing practices full of deceptive marketing practices and charlatans who all wanted to kind of and charlatans who all wanted to kind of and charlatans who all wanted to kind of climb onto the social media trend that climb onto the social media trend that climb onto the social media trend that Rogan and Huberman were really pushing. Rogan and Huberman were really pushing. Rogan and Huberman were really pushing. Even Carney has flipped now. He's a Even Carney has flipped now. He's a Even Carney has flipped now. He's a terrible critic of Vimhof. He's gone terrible critic of Vimhof. He's gone terrible critic of Vimhof. He's gone after Huberman. He's gone after Soberg. after Huberman. He's gone after Soberg. after Huberman. He's gone after Soberg. He's gone after a lot of people who are He's gone after a lot of people who are He's gone after a lot of people who are talking about the health benefits which talking about the health benefits which talking about the health benefits which he wrote books about and is saying, he wrote books about and is saying, he wrote books about and is saying, "Well, nope, that's not good science. "Well, nope, that's not good science. "Well, nope, that's not good science. Uh, that's all exaggerated." And there's Uh, that's all exaggerated." And there's Uh, that's all exaggerated." And there's a lot more. a lot more. a lot more. >> This is the guy I think I it's clicking >> This is the guy I think I it's clicking >> This is the guy I think I it's clicking for me now. This is the guy who for me now. This is the guy who for me now. This is the guy who basically he has the YouTube channel and basically he has the YouTube channel and basically he has the YouTube channel and he basically like exposes stuff or like he basically like exposes stuff or like he basically like exposes stuff or like >> he loves that. Okay. Yeah. It's his >> he loves that. Okay. Yeah. It's his >> he loves that. Okay. Yeah. It's his thing. And um I mean I don't want to say thing. And um I mean I don't want to say thing. And um I mean I don't want to say he's bad at it. He's got a number of he's bad at it. He's got a number of he's bad at it. He's got a number of books. Uh, but he's getting more clicks books. Uh, but he's getting more clicks books. Uh, but he's getting more clicks on YouTube now for bashing cold plunge, on YouTube now for bashing cold plunge, on YouTube now for bashing cold plunge, bashing brown fat, bashing the bashing brown fat, bashing the bashing brown fat, bashing the scientists than he was when he was scientists than he was when he was scientists than he was when he was promoting it. Now, if you're a promoting it. Now, if you're a promoting it. Now, if you're a journalist, you got to live on book journalist, you got to live on book journalist, you got to live on book sales and clicks as you know. And so, sales and clicks as you know. And so, sales and clicks as you know. And so, he's doing what's popular and he's left
35:00he's doing what's popular and he's left he's doing what's popular and he's left the science behind because the audience the science behind because the audience the science behind because the audience doesn't really want to hear it. There's doesn't really want to hear it. There's doesn't really want to hear it. There's even Joe and Andrew Huberman won't talk even Joe and Andrew Huberman won't talk even Joe and Andrew Huberman won't talk so much about cold plunge. anymore. so much about cold plunge. anymore. so much about cold plunge. anymore. However, I wrote the freaking book. I've However, I wrote the freaking book. I've However, I wrote the freaking book. I've got 600 scientific citations in that got 600 scientific citations in that got 600 scientific citations in that uncommon cold book. So, if you're uncommon cold book. So, if you're uncommon cold book. So, if you're curious about how to use ice baths, curious about how to use ice baths, curious about how to use ice baths, about the mechanisms by which ice baths about the mechanisms by which ice baths about the mechanisms by which ice baths or cold plunge therapy are going to or cold plunge therapy are going to or cold plunge therapy are going to benefit your health now, you don't have benefit your health now, you don't have benefit your health now, you don't have to follow Instagram accounts or to follow Instagram accounts or to follow Instagram accounts or something. You can read it for yourself. something. You can read it for yourself. something. You can read it for yourself. >> Well, that lady Suz Susanna uh >> Well, that lady Suz Susanna uh >> Well, that lady Suz Susanna uh >> Suzanne Sober, >> Suzanne Sober, >> Suzanne Sober, >> yeah, the Danish I don't speak Danish. >> yeah, the Danish I don't speak Danish. >> yeah, the Danish I don't speak Danish. Like, they have vowels I don't even Like, they have vowels I don't even Like, they have vowels I don't even understand. So, understand. So, understand. So, >> it's such a beautiful language. >> it's such a beautiful language. >> it's such a beautiful language. >> No, it's not. You stick a potato in your >> No, it's not. You stick a potato in your >> No, it's not. You stick a potato in your mouth, now you can speak Danish, mouth, now you can speak Danish, mouth, now you can speak Danish, everything comes out like that. Like everything comes out like that. Like everything comes out like that. Like your tongue doesn't work anymore. Um, your tongue doesn't work anymore. Um, your tongue doesn't work anymore. Um, but you know, there are beautiful people but you know, there are beautiful people but you know, there are beautiful people there. Uh, and I don't want to say there. Uh, and I don't want to say there. Uh, and I don't want to say anything disparaging about the Danish anything disparaging about the Danish anything disparaging about the Danish people in general. I'm just saying people in general. I'm just saying people in general. I'm just saying that's a very difficult language for me.
36:00that's a very difficult language for me. that's a very difficult language for me. >> It is a very different difficult >> It is a very different difficult >> It is a very different difficult language. Um, but when it's spoken the language. Um, but when it's spoken the language. Um, but when it's spoken the right way, it sounds very nice, I think. right way, it sounds very nice, I think. right way, it sounds very nice, I think. Well, she did her dissertation. They're Well, she did her dissertation. They're Well, she did her dissertation. They're healthy people, too. healthy people, too. healthy people, too. >> Say again. >> Say again. >> Say again. >> They're super healthy people. >> They're super healthy people. >> They're super healthy people. >> Absolutely. It's weird. >> Absolutely. It's weird. >> Absolutely. It's weird. >> They eat like fish is a huge part of >> They eat like fish is a huge part of >> They eat like fish is a huge part of their diet. They live in a cold part of their diet. They live in a cold part of their diet. They live in a cold part of the world. the world. the world. >> I spent a week in Denmark and I ate like >> I spent a week in Denmark and I ate like >> I spent a week in Denmark and I ate like a king. The cheese, the pork, the bread. a king. The cheese, the pork, the bread. a king. The cheese, the pork, the bread. I'm, you know, I'm kind of a low carb I'm, you know, I'm kind of a low carb I'm, you know, I'm kind of a low carb guy. I'm eating bread while I'm in guy. I'm eating bread while I'm in guy. I'm eating bread while I'm in Denmark. I lost 5 lbs on that trip. Denmark. I lost 5 lbs on that trip. Denmark. I lost 5 lbs on that trip. >> Did you have any licorice? >> Did you have any licorice? >> Did you have any licorice? >> You dang right I did. the black >> You dang right I did. the black >> You dang right I did. the black licorice. Like the first time you try licorice. Like the first time you try licorice. Like the first time you try it, it's kind of like uh and then you it, it's kind of like uh and then you it, it's kind of like uh and then you like pop another one, it's like whoa, like pop another one, it's like whoa, like pop another one, it's like whoa, this stuff's amazing. this stuff's amazing. this stuff's amazing. >> It turns out that there is a medicinal >> It turns out that there is a medicinal >> It turns out that there is a medicinal ingredient that happens naturally in ingredient that happens naturally in ingredient that happens naturally in black licorice like black licorice like black licorice like >> the red licorice is just candy, but the >> the red licorice is just candy, but the >> the red licorice is just candy, but the black rick, black rick, black rick, >> yep, it has a pharmacological >> yep, it has a pharmacological >> yep, it has a pharmacological effect. So you don't want to overdo it effect. So you don't want to overdo it effect. So you don't want to overdo it on that, but their salty black licorice, on that, but their salty black licorice, on that, but their salty black licorice, I think, is the best. So the Danes have
37:00I think, is the best. So the Danes have I think, is the best. So the Danes have a different attitude towards food than a different attitude towards food than a different attitude towards food than we have here in the United States. In we have here in the United States. In we have here in the United States. In the US, the food makes us sick. In the US, the food makes us sick. In the US, the food makes us sick. In Denmark, the food makes you healthy. And Denmark, the food makes you healthy. And Denmark, the food makes you healthy. And so I don't eat bread here. I mean, I so I don't eat bread here. I mean, I so I don't eat bread here. I mean, I will indulge every once in a while, but will indulge every once in a while, but will indulge every once in a while, but uh it seems like this is the only place uh it seems like this is the only place uh it seems like this is the only place that the food makes you sick. that the food makes you sick. that the food makes you sick. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Pretty no other place I've been to is >> Pretty no other place I've been to is >> Pretty no other place I've been to is like is like America. It's insane. like is like America. It's insane. like is like America. It's insane. >> I agree. Which means you really have to >> I agree. Which means you really have to >> I agree. Which means you really have to travel abroad and experience it for travel abroad and experience it for travel abroad and experience it for yourself to really believe it. Because yourself to really believe it. Because yourself to really believe it. Because we now live in this world, we now live in this world, we now live in this world, >> it it's unfathomable to think that our >> it it's unfathomable to think that our >> it it's unfathomable to think that our government recommendations, like ever government recommendations, like ever government recommendations, like ever since they were teaching us about the since they were teaching us about the since they were teaching us about the food pyramid as kids are poisoning us food pyramid as kids are poisoning us food pyramid as kids are poisoning us and making us sick. Yeah. It it's going and making us sick. Yeah. It it's going and making us sick. Yeah. It it's going to turn you into a conspiracy theorist to turn you into a conspiracy theorist to turn you into a conspiracy theorist if you weren't starting with one. But if you weren't starting with one. But if you weren't starting with one. But it's true. It was seed oils and sugar it's true. It was seed oils and sugar it's true. It was seed oils and sugar that killed my mother. my mother, you that killed my mother. my mother, you that killed my mother. my mother, you know, my parents met at Harvard, which know, my parents met at Harvard, which know, my parents met at Harvard, which was the epicenter of nutritional was the epicenter of nutritional was the epicenter of nutritional misinformation and propaganda, but they
38:00misinformation and propaganda, but they misinformation and propaganda, but they believed every study that ever came out believed every study that ever came out believed every study that ever came out of Harvard in the 70s. So they were of Harvard in the 70s. So they were of Harvard in the 70s. So they were like, "Oh, we should have margarine like, "Oh, we should have margarine like, "Oh, we should have margarine instead of butter. Margarine is all instead of butter. Margarine is all instead of butter. Margarine is all cornbased cornbased cornbased trans fats. Worst thing that you could trans fats. Worst thing that you could trans fats. Worst thing that you could possibly eat, right? We should have skim possibly eat, right? We should have skim possibly eat, right? We should have skim milk instead of whole milk." My mother milk instead of whole milk." My mother milk instead of whole milk." My mother wa I watched her health decline into wa I watched her health decline into wa I watched her health decline into Alzheimer's because she believed Alzheimer's because she believed Alzheimer's because she believed everything that the government and those everything that the government and those everything that the government and those fake studies coming out of Harvard were fake studies coming out of Harvard were fake studies coming out of Harvard were telling her. Eventually, two weeks telling her. Eventually, two weeks telling her. Eventually, two weeks before she died, I visited her. She before she died, I visited her. She before she died, I visited her. She didn't recognize me because that's the didn't recognize me because that's the didn't recognize me because that's the way dementia works. way dementia works. way dementia works. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> She was eating a breakfast of cream of >> She was eating a breakfast of cream of >> She was eating a breakfast of cream of wheat made with applesauce and enshore. wheat made with applesauce and enshore. wheat made with applesauce and enshore. Enure is poison. You can sue me right Enure is poison. You can sue me right Enure is poison. You can sue me right now. It's seed oils and sugar. and it now. It's seed oils and sugar. and it now. It's seed oils and sugar. and it polished my mother off. If she ate all polished my mother off. If she ate all polished my mother off. If she ate all of her, you know, terrible breakfast, of her, you know, terrible breakfast, of her, you know, terrible breakfast, then her caregiver would give her a then her caregiver would give her a then her caregiver would give her a cookie. It took her an hour and a half cookie. It took her an hour and a half cookie. It took her an hour and a half to eat that cookie because she had no to eat that cookie because she had no to eat that cookie because she had no motor control except a little bit in her motor control except a little bit in her motor control except a little bit in her dominant hand. And that kept my mom, you
39:00dominant hand. And that kept my mom, you dominant hand. And that kept my mom, you know, busy just nibbling on that cookie. know, busy just nibbling on that cookie. know, busy just nibbling on that cookie. Two weeks later, she was dead because Two weeks later, she was dead because Two weeks later, she was dead because her mitochondria had given up. The her mitochondria had given up. The her mitochondria had given up. The mitochondria in the brain are what power mitochondria in the brain are what power mitochondria in the brain are what power your thoughts, your feelings, your your thoughts, your feelings, your your thoughts, your feelings, your cognition. And when your mitochondria cognition. And when your mitochondria cognition. And when your mitochondria start to go, when you become insulin start to go, when you become insulin start to go, when you become insulin resistant because your mitochondria are resistant because your mitochondria are resistant because your mitochondria are dysfunctional, of course your cognition dysfunctional, of course your cognition dysfunctional, of course your cognition starts to go. If you catch it soon starts to go. If you catch it soon starts to go. If you catch it soon enough, there's some good studies about enough, there's some good studies about enough, there's some good studies about how to reverse cognitive decline, even how to reverse cognitive decline, even how to reverse cognitive decline, even reverse early stage Alzheimer's in reverse early stage Alzheimer's in reverse early stage Alzheimer's in mitochondrial support or using therapies mitochondrial support or using therapies mitochondrial support or using therapies that target the mitochondria. And that target the mitochondria. And that target the mitochondria. And there's a number of things. It's a there's a number of things. It's a there's a number of things. It's a complex regimen that I've read about in complex regimen that I've read about in complex regimen that I've read about in this clinical trial. And most people this clinical trial. And most people this clinical trial. And most people can't comply with all of it, but it's can't comply with all of it, but it's can't comply with all of it, but it's things like magnesium supplementation, things like magnesium supplementation, things like magnesium supplementation, intermittent keto, adding a little bit intermittent keto, adding a little bit intermittent keto, adding a little bit of or periods of keto ketosis into your of or periods of keto ketosis into your of or periods of keto ketosis into your diet to give your mitochondria a break. diet to give your mitochondria a break. diet to give your mitochondria a break. Get the seed oils out. You know, from Get the seed oils out. You know, from Get the seed oils out. You know, from talking with Jack Cruz and Alexis Cowan, talking with Jack Cruz and Alexis Cowan, talking with Jack Cruz and Alexis Cowan, although it wasn't part of the protocol although it wasn't part of the protocol although it wasn't part of the protocol in um this study on cognitive decline,
40:00in um this study on cognitive decline, in um this study on cognitive decline, get your light environment right, get get your light environment right, get get your light environment right, get your sleep right. When you do these your sleep right. When you do these your sleep right. When you do these things that care for your mitochondria, things that care for your mitochondria, things that care for your mitochondria, all of the energy processing parts of all of the energy processing parts of all of the energy processing parts of your body, they're all their function is your body, they're all their function is your body, they're all their function is going to improve. Now, one thing that going to improve. Now, one thing that going to improve. Now, one thing that you can do that is even better than you can do that is even better than you can do that is even better than exercise for your mitochondria is get exercise for your mitochondria is get exercise for your mitochondria is get into the cold. Here we have it from into the cold. Here we have it from into the cold. Here we have it from animal models and particularly mice who animal models and particularly mice who animal models and particularly mice who are really easy to study. they have a are really easy to study. they have a are really easy to study. they have a lot of brown fat and it doesn't totally lot of brown fat and it doesn't totally lot of brown fat and it doesn't totally port over to human beings. But in this port over to human beings. But in this port over to human beings. But in this case, we have good reason to believe case, we have good reason to believe case, we have good reason to believe that it um what we're seeing in mice is that it um what we're seeing in mice is that it um what we're seeing in mice is also a reasonable approximation of what also a reasonable approximation of what also a reasonable approximation of what we see in human beings. we see in human beings. we see in human beings. >> You get into the cold and you stimulate >> You get into the cold and you stimulate >> You get into the cold and you stimulate what's called mitobiogenesis. what's called mitobiogenesis. what's called mitobiogenesis. Your mitochondria have their own DNA. Your mitochondria have their own DNA. Your mitochondria have their own DNA. They reproduce of their own accord. They They reproduce of their own accord. They They reproduce of their own accord. They are inherited exclusively from your are inherited exclusively from your are inherited exclusively from your mother. That is the DNA in your mother. That is the DNA in your mother. That is the DNA in your mitochondria come exclusively from your mitochondria come exclusively from your mitochondria come exclusively from your mother. It's not like a sexual mother. It's not like a sexual mother. It's not like a sexual reproduction thing. When you stimulate reproduction thing. When you stimulate reproduction thing. When you stimulate mitobiogenesis, your body will select mitobiogenesis, your body will select mitobiogenesis, your body will select the mitochondria with the greatest DNA
41:00the mitochondria with the greatest DNA the mitochondria with the greatest DNA integrity. It will reproduce those integrity. It will reproduce those integrity. It will reproduce those mitochondria so that you have more and mitochondria so that you have more and mitochondria so that you have more and they function better. So, the mice data they function better. So, the mice data they function better. So, the mice data is very good. We know from human studies is very good. We know from human studies is very good. We know from human studies that humans can recruit brown fat. that humans can recruit brown fat. that humans can recruit brown fat. >> Here's the before picture of a cancer >> Here's the before picture of a cancer >> Here's the before picture of a cancer patient. And here's the after a month of patient. And here's the after a month of patient. And here's the after a month of cold plunge therapy. And you can see the cold plunge therapy. And you can see the cold plunge therapy. And you can see the brown fat in their PET scan. The tumors brown fat in their PET scan. The tumors brown fat in their PET scan. The tumors shrink. The brown fat grows. shrink. The brown fat grows. shrink. The brown fat grows. >> Why is brown fat good? Because micro >> Why is brown fat good? Because micro >> Why is brown fat good? Because micro it's dense with mitochondria. it's dense with mitochondria. it's dense with mitochondria. >> Exactly. Right. Thousands of >> Exactly. Right. Thousands of >> Exactly. Right. Thousands of mitochondria in the brown fat. Sometimes mitochondria in the brown fat. Sometimes mitochondria in the brown fat. Sometimes I'll talk to women and they'll say, I'll talk to women and they'll say, I'll talk to women and they'll say, "Well, I don't want fat." But that's not "Well, I don't want fat." But that's not "Well, I don't want fat." But that's not the fat we're talking about. There's the fat we're talking about. There's the fat we're talking about. There's white fat and white fat stores energy. white fat and white fat stores energy. white fat and white fat stores energy. The job of brown fat is to burn the The job of brown fat is to burn the The job of brown fat is to burn the energy. energy. energy. >> It's not subcutaneous fat. It's deep >> It's not subcutaneous fat. It's deep >> It's not subcutaneous fat. It's deep tissue fat deep in with like between tissue fat deep in with like between tissue fat deep in with like between like the like below like even beneath like the like below like even beneath like the like below like even beneath the muscles like in between the organs the muscles like in between the organs the muscles like in between the organs like layering the organs things like like layering the organs things like like layering the organs things like that. that. that. >> Sounds like maybe you've seen a picture >> Sounds like maybe you've seen a picture >> Sounds like maybe you've seen a picture too that Alexis Cowan has you know put too that Alexis Cowan has you know put too that Alexis Cowan has you know put out on Instagram. The brown fat is out on Instagram. The brown fat is out on Instagram. The brown fat is located inside the body so that when it
42:00located inside the body so that when it located inside the body so that when it generates heat it keeps your vital generates heat it keeps your vital generates heat it keeps your vital organs warm. It's to defend your body organs warm. It's to defend your body organs warm. It's to defend your body >> but it does other things. It is also an >> but it does other things. It is also an >> but it does other things. It is also an essential secrettoryy organ. So it will essential secrettoryy organ. So it will essential secrettoryy organ. So it will secrete more thyroid sorry I should say secrete more thyroid sorry I should say secrete more thyroid sorry I should say more active thyroid hormone than your more active thyroid hormone than your more active thyroid hormone than your thyroid does. It will take the inactive thyroid does. It will take the inactive thyroid does. It will take the inactive form of thyroid convert it to the active form of thyroid convert it to the active form of thyroid convert it to the active form. Brown fat and the thyroid gland form. Brown fat and the thyroid gland form. Brown fat and the thyroid gland are in constant communication. So if you are in constant communication. So if you are in constant communication. So if you don't get cold and you don't have any don't get cold and you don't have any don't get cold and you don't have any brown fat it's no wonder your thyroid brown fat it's no wonder your thyroid brown fat it's no wonder your thyroid gets disregulated whether that's graves gets disregulated whether that's graves gets disregulated whether that's graves or Hashimoto. So it could be overactive or Hashimoto. So it could be overactive or Hashimoto. So it could be overactive or it could be underactive. It's got or it could be underactive. It's got or it could be underactive. It's got nothing to to work with. it's got nothing to to work with. it's got nothing to to work with. it's got nothing modulating its function because nothing modulating its function because nothing modulating its function because there's no brown fat in the body. This there's no brown fat in the body. This there's no brown fat in the body. This happens in Florida and it happens in happens in Florida and it happens in happens in Florida and it happens in Arizona. Arizona. Arizona. >> Then people will get advice from their >> Then people will get advice from their >> Then people will get advice from their doctors saying, "Well, you know, you doctors saying, "Well, you know, you doctors saying, "Well, you know, you have an irregular thyroid function and have an irregular thyroid function and have an irregular thyroid function and that's why you're not cold tolerant. You that's why you're not cold tolerant. You that's why you're not cold tolerant. You should just turn up the thermostat a should just turn up the thermostat a should just turn up the thermostat a little bit and try and stay warm and little bit and try and stay warm and little bit and try and stay warm and comfortable," which is the worst advice comfortable," which is the worst advice comfortable," which is the worst advice that you could possibly get. The that you could possibly get. The that you could possibly get. The opposite is true. You should be getting
43:00opposite is true. You should be getting opposite is true. You should be getting a little bit of cold discomfort so that a little bit of cold discomfort so that a little bit of cold discomfort so that you can bring your brown fat back you can bring your brown fat back you can bring your brown fat back online. online. online. >> Right? There are a number of cases of >> Right? There are a number of cases of >> Right? There are a number of cases of women who have reversed Hashimoto's women who have reversed Hashimoto's women who have reversed Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which is another one of thyroiditis, which is another one of thyroiditis, which is another one of those supposedly lifetime degenerative those supposedly lifetime degenerative those supposedly lifetime degenerative chronic diseases for which there's no chronic diseases for which there's no chronic diseases for which there's no cure. But there is. You get into the cure. But there is. You get into the cure. But there is. You get into the cold. You do it every day. You recruit cold. You do it every day. You recruit cold. You do it every day. You recruit your brown fat. You can clean up your your brown fat. You can clean up your your brown fat. You can clean up your diet, which is a very good thing for diet, which is a very good thing for diet, which is a very good thing for anybody to do regardless of their anybody to do regardless of their anybody to do regardless of their thyroid condition. And you can reverse thyroid condition. And you can reverse thyroid condition. And you can reverse thyroid conditions metabolically. So the thyroid conditions metabolically. So the thyroid conditions metabolically. So the brown fat is not just sort of a nice to brown fat is not just sort of a nice to brown fat is not just sort of a nice to have for cold thermogenesis. It's also have for cold thermogenesis. It's also have for cold thermogenesis. It's also associated with increased associated with increased associated with increased neuroprotective factors. It's increased neuroprotective factors. It's increased neuroprotective factors. It's increased rate of healing from traumatic brain rate of healing from traumatic brain rate of healing from traumatic brain injury. So it will protect the brain. It injury. So it will protect the brain. It injury. So it will protect the brain. It will modulate metabolism, correct will modulate metabolism, correct will modulate metabolism, correct thyroid disorders. If you don't have thyroid disorders. If you don't have thyroid disorders. If you don't have brown fat, you are missing an essential brown fat, you are missing an essential brown fat, you are missing an essential organ that that your body is relying organ that that your body is relying organ that that your body is relying upon. And 95% of the adults tested in upon. And 95% of the adults tested in upon. And 95% of the adults tested in America, zero detectable brown fat,
44:00America, zero detectable brown fat, America, zero detectable brown fat, >> especially as people are moving south >> especially as people are moving south >> especially as people are moving south into warmer. You know, they say you into warmer. You know, they say you into warmer. You know, they say you don't have to shovel sunshine. You know, don't have to shovel sunshine. You know, don't have to shovel sunshine. You know, that's one of the things people moved to that's one of the things people moved to that's one of the things people moved to Arizona for, but they're missing the Arizona for, but they're missing the Arizona for, but they're missing the cold. cold. cold. >> That's an interesting thing about um >> That's an interesting thing about um >> That's an interesting thing about um bringing it back to Denmark is that bringing it back to Denmark is that bringing it back to Denmark is that there's so little sunlight Denmark. It's there's so little sunlight Denmark. It's there's so little sunlight Denmark. It's a it's a very dark uh part of the world, a it's a very dark uh part of the world, a it's a very dark uh part of the world, right? And it's always cold. So it's right? And it's always cold. So it's right? And it's always cold. So it's almost like nature has this way of almost like nature has this way of almost like nature has this way of balancing out for you, you know, balancing out for you, you know, balancing out for you, you know, balancing it out for you. So like balancing it out for you. So like balancing it out for you. So like because if you have the lack of because if you have the lack of because if you have the lack of sunlight, which is the another uh sunlight, which is the another uh sunlight, which is the another uh fundamental source of mitochondrial fundamental source of mitochondrial fundamental source of mitochondrial fuel, it will compensate for the cold. fuel, it will compensate for the cold. fuel, it will compensate for the cold. And uh another thing Alexis was saying And uh another thing Alexis was saying And uh another thing Alexis was saying that blew my mind when she was on here that blew my mind when she was on here that blew my mind when she was on here was that people up in those northern was that people up in those northern was that people up in those northern latitudes, that's why they have lighter latitudes, that's why they have lighter latitudes, that's why they have lighter eyes eyes eyes >> because they can bring in more light >> because they can bring in more light >> because they can bring in more light with the lighter eyes and people at the with the lighter eyes and people at the with the lighter eyes and people at the equatorial latitudes have darker eyes equatorial latitudes have darker eyes equatorial latitudes have darker eyes >> because they have so much light they >> because they have so much light they >> because they have so much light they don't need it. don't need it. don't need it. >> Correct. They're actually >> Correct. They're actually >> Correct. They're actually >> and also why they have darker skin >> and also why they have darker skin >> and also why they have darker skin because it protects themselves from the because it protects themselves from the because it protects themselves from the sun. People up there, they have lighter
45:00sun. People up there, they have lighter sun. People up there, they have lighter skin so they can absorb more. Now, my skin so they can absorb more. Now, my skin so they can absorb more. Now, my understanding of Alexis is that the understanding of Alexis is that the understanding of Alexis is that the melanin you produce in your skin, in melanin you produce in your skin, in melanin you produce in your skin, in your eyes, it does protect yourself from your eyes, it does protect yourself from your eyes, it does protect yourself from overdose of UVA or UVB, but it's even overdose of UVA or UVB, but it's even overdose of UVA or UVB, but it's even more than that. She'll say that it is a more than that. She'll say that it is a more than that. She'll say that it is a semiconductor that is activated by the semiconductor that is activated by the semiconductor that is activated by the UVA, UVB. It's not just protective, but UVA, UVB. It's not just protective, but UVA, UVB. It's not just protective, but it's also useful. It's not my area of it's also useful. It's not my area of it's also useful. It's not my area of expertise. Uh, you could guess, but I've expertise. Uh, you could guess, but I've expertise. Uh, you could guess, but I've looked this up on ancestry.com. I've looked this up on ancestry.com. I've looked this up on ancestry.com. I've talked to my grandparents. talked to my grandparents. talked to my grandparents. My people, they come from the North Sea. My people, they come from the North Sea. My people, they come from the North Sea. They come from the cold climates and They come from the cold climates and They come from the cold climates and maybe that explains blue eyes. maybe that explains blue eyes. maybe that explains blue eyes. >> But the theory is that people will >> But the theory is that people will >> But the theory is that people will survive the long winters up there survive the long winters up there survive the long winters up there without the vitamin D that they would without the vitamin D that they would without the vitamin D that they would ordinarily synthesize when they're ordinarily synthesize when they're ordinarily synthesize when they're exposed to UVB sunlight exposed to UVB sunlight exposed to UVB sunlight >> because they're eating, you know, seal >> because they're eating, you know, seal >> because they're eating, you know, seal blubber or cod liver or something like blubber or cod liver or something like blubber or cod liver or something like that. Now, there is vitamin D in that. Now, there is vitamin D in that. Now, there is vitamin D in particular in cod liver oil and in some particular in cod liver oil and in some particular in cod liver oil and in some seafoods, but seal blubber is not what
46:00seafoods, but seal blubber is not what seafoods, but seal blubber is not what kept my ancestors alive a thousand years kept my ancestors alive a thousand years kept my ancestors alive a thousand years ago. When you get into the cold and you ago. When you get into the cold and you ago. When you get into the cold and you activate your mitochondria, there's activate your mitochondria, there's activate your mitochondria, there's something called the electron transport something called the electron transport something called the electron transport chain. These facilitate redux reactions, chain. These facilitate redux reactions, chain. These facilitate redux reactions, that is transfer of electrons from some that is transfer of electrons from some that is transfer of electrons from some molecules to other. Mhm. molecules to other. Mhm. molecules to other. Mhm. >> When those electrons are transferred, >> When those electrons are transferred, >> When those electrons are transferred, they cannot help but emit light. This is they cannot help but emit light. This is they cannot help but emit light. This is what happens in high school chemistry what happens in high school chemistry what happens in high school chemistry class. This is the way physics works. So class. This is the way physics works. So class. This is the way physics works. So you move an electron from one shell, you move an electron from one shell, you move an electron from one shell, particularly from a higher shell to a particularly from a higher shell to a particularly from a higher shell to a lower shell. But when electrons move lower shell. But when electrons move lower shell. But when electrons move like that, they emit what's called like that, they emit what's called like that, they emit what's called biofotons. Now, this is where it gets biofotons. Now, this is where it gets biofotons. Now, this is where it gets really cool. Suzanne Humphre just really cool. Suzanne Humphre just really cool. Suzanne Humphre just tweeted this out last week. This is a tweeted this out last week. This is a tweeted this out last week. This is a study from 2024 to 2025. study from 2024 to 2025. study from 2024 to 2025. Every living system examined emits Every living system examined emits Every living system examined emits biofotons. So these are the mitochondria biofotons. So these are the mitochondria biofotons. So these are the mitochondria inside your body producing light. Is inside your body producing light. Is inside your body producing light. Is this uh Fritz Pop stuff? this uh Fritz Pop stuff? this uh Fritz Pop stuff? >> I don't know Fritz Pop, but maybe I >> I don't know Fritz Pop, but maybe I >> I don't know Fritz Pop, but maybe I should. should. should. >> Yeah, he was a German biopysicist. Um
47:00>> Yeah, he was a German biopysicist. Um >> Yeah, he was a German biopysicist. Um Jack Cruz talks about him all the time. Jack Cruz talks about him all the time. Jack Cruz talks about him all the time. He published papers in like I think he He published papers in like I think he He published papers in like I think he publishes papers in um publishes papers in um publishes papers in um >> the ' 60s or ' 70s, >> the ' 60s or ' 70s, >> the ' 60s or ' 70s, >> but he talks about all about how um how >> but he talks about all about how um how >> but he talks about all about how um how DNA and cells create UV light, small DNA and cells create UV light, small DNA and cells create UV light, small amounts of UV light, a little bit less amounts of UV light, a little bit less amounts of UV light, a little bit less than uh like bioluminescent creatures, than uh like bioluminescent creatures, than uh like bioluminescent creatures, >> but um it was controversial at the time, >> but um it was controversial at the time, >> but um it was controversial at the time, but I don't think it's super but I don't think it's super but I don't think it's super controversial anymore. Yeah. controversial anymore. Yeah. controversial anymore. Yeah. >> Yeah, it is very difficult to detect. >> Yeah, it is very difficult to detect. >> Yeah, it is very difficult to detect. They call it ultra weak and they say They call it ultra weak and they say They call it ultra weak and they say ultra weak because they have such a hard ultra weak because they have such a hard ultra weak because they have such a hard time finding it. Well, when the light is time finding it. Well, when the light is time finding it. Well, when the light is being made inside the cells of your being made inside the cells of your being made inside the cells of your body, body, body, >> how the hell are you supposed to detect >> how the hell are you supposed to detect >> how the hell are you supposed to detect it? We're not really talking about it? We're not really talking about it? We're not really talking about phospholuminescence, which is a creature phospholuminescence, which is a creature phospholuminescence, which is a creature that um you know, these happen in the that um you know, these happen in the that um you know, these happen in the ocean that lights up. Uh fireflies are a ocean that lights up. Uh fireflies are a ocean that lights up. Uh fireflies are a wonderful example of this in the summer. wonderful example of this in the summer. wonderful example of this in the summer. If you're in the Midwest and you see the If you're in the Midwest and you see the If you're in the Midwest and you see the fireflies, they're communicating with fireflies, they're communicating with fireflies, they're communicating with one another by producing visible light. one another by producing visible light. one another by producing visible light. But this light the the biofphotons they
48:00But this light the the biofphotons they But this light the the biofphotons they don't escape from the body at the same don't escape from the body at the same don't escape from the body at the same rate as phospholuminescent creatures rate as phospholuminescent creatures rate as phospholuminescent creatures would. would. would. >> So to detect it they have to multiply a >> So to detect it they have to multiply a >> So to detect it they have to multiply a very weak signal. And this is something very weak signal. And this is something very weak signal. And this is something that has been difficult to do until that has been difficult to do until that has been difficult to do until recently. So there's a lot of recently. So there's a lot of recently. So there's a lot of misconceptions around biopotons. Things misconceptions around biopotons. Things misconceptions around biopotons. Things like um well if you're uh cells are like um well if you're uh cells are like um well if you're uh cells are making light in the cold then why don't making light in the cold then why don't making light in the cold then why don't people in Scandinavia have a tan? And people in Scandinavia have a tan? And people in Scandinavia have a tan? And it's frustrating to deal with these it's frustrating to deal with these it's frustrating to deal with these misconceptions. This light is inside. misconceptions. This light is inside. misconceptions. This light is inside. >> When it's inside your mitochondria, the >> When it's inside your mitochondria, the >> When it's inside your mitochondria, the photons that are in the UVB wavelength, photons that are in the UVB wavelength, photons that are in the UVB wavelength, and all wavelengths are produced, but and all wavelengths are produced, but and all wavelengths are produced, but that portion in the UVB is right next to that portion in the UVB is right next to that portion in the UVB is right next to the cholesterol molecules. The light the cholesterol molecules. The light the cholesterol molecules. The light doesn't have to travel anymore. When it doesn't have to travel anymore. When it doesn't have to travel anymore. When it intersects that cholesterol molecule, it intersects that cholesterol molecule, it intersects that cholesterol molecule, it will convert it to previtamin D. The will convert it to previtamin D. The will convert it to previtamin D. The molecule has no choice. Again, this is molecule has no choice. Again, this is molecule has no choice. Again, this is physics. So, you're making light inside physics. So, you're making light inside physics. So, you're making light inside your mitochondria that intersects your mitochondria that intersects your mitochondria that intersects cholesterol inside your brown fat cells,
49:00cholesterol inside your brown fat cells, cholesterol inside your brown fat cells, converts the cholesterol to previtamin D converts the cholesterol to previtamin D converts the cholesterol to previtamin D that is then metabolized into all the that is then metabolized into all the that is then metabolized into all the different forms of vitamin D in your different forms of vitamin D in your different forms of vitamin D in your body. And for a long time, and by a long body. And for a long time, and by a long body. And for a long time, and by a long time I mean like three years, nobody time I mean like three years, nobody time I mean like three years, nobody would believe me because blood serum would believe me because blood serum would believe me because blood serum tests will not show an increase in the tests will not show an increase in the tests will not show an increase in the form of vitamin D that they typically form of vitamin D that they typically form of vitamin D that they typically test for in a normal blood serum test. test for in a normal blood serum test. test for in a normal blood serum test. You say, well, if you're getting cold You say, well, if you're getting cold You say, well, if you're getting cold and you're producing these biophotons, and you're producing these biophotons, and you're producing these biophotons, why doesn't the vitamin D show up in why doesn't the vitamin D show up in why doesn't the vitamin D show up in your bloodstream? Because vitamin D is your bloodstream? Because vitamin D is your bloodstream? Because vitamin D is fat soluble. It doesn't have to go into fat soluble. It doesn't have to go into fat soluble. It doesn't have to go into the bloodstream. It will stay right in the bloodstream. It will stay right in the bloodstream. It will stay right in the brown fat until your body needs it the brown fat until your body needs it the brown fat until your body needs it and it'll be gradually released, right? and it'll be gradually released, right? and it'll be gradually released, right? We're not we shouldn't really expect to We're not we shouldn't really expect to We're not we shouldn't really expect to see it in the bloodstream. But then, see it in the bloodstream. But then, see it in the bloodstream. But then, this is a month ago, study came out of this is a month ago, study came out of this is a month ago, study came out of Poland. They were testing women with Poland. They were testing women with Poland. They were testing women with multiple sclerosis. Now, MS is an multiple sclerosis. Now, MS is an multiple sclerosis. Now, MS is an autoimmune disorder and it is associated autoimmune disorder and it is associated autoimmune disorder and it is associated with difficulties or dysfunction in with difficulties or dysfunction in with difficulties or dysfunction in vitamin D production and vitamin D
50:00vitamin D production and vitamin D vitamin D production and vitamin D status early in life. So, vitamin D is status early in life. So, vitamin D is status early in life. So, vitamin D is essential to the operation of your essential to the operation of your essential to the operation of your immune system. If you don't have your immune system. If you don't have your immune system. If you don't have your vitamin D right, autoimmune disorders vitamin D right, autoimmune disorders vitamin D right, autoimmune disorders will emerge. So, they're testing these will emerge. So, they're testing these will emerge. So, they're testing these women with multiple sclerosis. They're women with multiple sclerosis. They're women with multiple sclerosis. They're using cryotherapy and they test them in using cryotherapy and they test them in using cryotherapy and they test them in comparison to women who don't have comparison to women who don't have comparison to women who don't have multiple sclerosis. The women who do the multiple sclerosis. The women who do the multiple sclerosis. The women who do the cryotherapy with multiple sclerosis got cryotherapy with multiple sclerosis got cryotherapy with multiple sclerosis got a boost in their blood serum levels a boost in their blood serum levels a boost in their blood serum levels vitamin D. They didn't change anything vitamin D. They didn't change anything vitamin D. They didn't change anything else. They weren't taking supplements. else. They weren't taking supplements. else. They weren't taking supplements. They didn't have UV lights on them or They didn't have UV lights on them or They didn't have UV lights on them or anything like that. So this is the first anything like that. So this is the first anything like that. So this is the first evidence of a change in blood serum evidence of a change in blood serum evidence of a change in blood serum level concentrations of vitamin D. Why level concentrations of vitamin D. Why level concentrations of vitamin D. Why would it show up in someone with would it show up in someone with would it show up in someone with multiple sclerosis? And here's a multiple sclerosis? And here's a multiple sclerosis? And here's a hypothesis. hypothesis. hypothesis. Instagram can quote me on this and then Instagram can quote me on this and then Instagram can quote me on this and then they'll say, you know, he's being they'll say, you know, he's being they'll say, you know, he's being irresponsible in his speculation, but irresponsible in his speculation, but irresponsible in his speculation, but this is exactly how science works. It is this is exactly how science works. It is this is exactly how science works. It is possible that because a woman in Poland possible that because a woman in Poland possible that because a woman in Poland with multiple sclerosis has a disordered with multiple sclerosis has a disordered with multiple sclerosis has a disordered vitamin D metabolic system that her body vitamin D metabolic system that her body vitamin D metabolic system that her body needs that vitamin D in the bloodstream
51:00needs that vitamin D in the bloodstream needs that vitamin D in the bloodstream right away that rather than being stored right away that rather than being stored right away that rather than being stored in a brown fat cell and there's no in a brown fat cell and there's no in a brown fat cell and there's no disputing the fact that the cryotherapy disputing the fact that the cryotherapy disputing the fact that the cryotherapy increased the or is associated with the increased the or is associated with the increased the or is associated with the increase because it didn't happen in the increase because it didn't happen in the increase because it didn't happen in the control group but associated with the control group but associated with the control group but associated with the increase in blood se serum vitamin D but increase in blood se serum vitamin D but increase in blood se serum vitamin D but perhaps in a woman with multiple perhaps in a woman with multiple perhaps in a woman with multiple sclerosis the body's like I need it now sclerosis the body's like I need it now sclerosis the body's like I need it now I need it circulating in the bloodstream I need it circulating in the bloodstream I need it circulating in the bloodstream and that's where I'm going to keep it so and that's where I'm going to keep it so and that's where I'm going to keep it so it can arrive at the cells that need it. it can arrive at the cells that need it. it can arrive at the cells that need it. Now, that's that's just a hypo that's a Now, that's that's just a hypo that's a Now, that's that's just a hypo that's a crazy idea. We ought to be able to crazy idea. We ought to be able to crazy idea. We ought to be able to replicate that study in other people replicate that study in other people replicate that study in other people with autoimmune disorders, whether with autoimmune disorders, whether with autoimmune disorders, whether that's that's >> Parkinson's or fibromyalgia or >> Parkinson's or fibromyalgia or >> Parkinson's or fibromyalgia or rheumatoid arthritis or type 1 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis or type 1 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis or type 1 diabetes, which I have a lot of experience with which I have a lot of experience with which I have a lot of experience with because my son was diagnosed when he was because my son was diagnosed when he was because my son was diagnosed when he was sick when he was six years old. All of sick when he was six years old. All of sick when he was six years old. All of these are associated with vitamin D these are associated with vitamin D these are associated with vitamin D irregularities. The role of vitamin D in irregularities. The role of vitamin D in irregularities. The role of vitamin D in the development of your immune system is the development of your immune system is the development of your immune system is critical. So what happened to my critical. So what happened to my critical. So what happened to my ancestors or what happens in Denmark? ancestors or what happens in Denmark? ancestors or what happens in Denmark? Let's introduce central heating. Let's
52:00Let's introduce central heating. Let's Let's introduce central heating. Let's introduce, you know, triple pane, double introduce, you know, triple pane, double introduce, you know, triple pane, double glazed, whatever the hell are the glazed, whatever the hell are the glazed, whatever the hell are the windows with low E reflectivity. Let's windows with low E reflectivity. Let's windows with low E reflectivity. Let's ruin the light environment. Let's keep ruin the light environment. Let's keep ruin the light environment. Let's keep people out of the cold. Would you expect people out of the cold. Would you expect people out of the cold. Would you expect now to see increased levels of now to see increased levels of now to see increased levels of autoimmune disorders and evidence of autoimmune disorders and evidence of autoimmune disorders and evidence of vitamin D deficiencies? Not necessarily vitamin D deficiencies? Not necessarily vitamin D deficiencies? Not necessarily ricketetts because you can still fortify ricketetts because you can still fortify ricketetts because you can still fortify the milk. You can still put enough of the milk. You can still put enough of the milk. You can still put enough of the supplemental form of vitamin D in the supplemental form of vitamin D in the supplemental form of vitamin D in the food to prevent ricketetts. But the food to prevent ricketetts. But the food to prevent ricketetts. But other disorders of vitamin D that show other disorders of vitamin D that show other disorders of vitamin D that show up in the immune system because the up in the immune system because the up in the immune system because the people now live these highly people now live these highly people now live these highly industrialized lives in which they don't industrialized lives in which they don't industrialized lives in which they don't get cold. Of course we they would we saw get cold. Of course we they would we saw get cold. Of course we they would we saw this there was a longitudinal study that this there was a longitudinal study that this there was a longitudinal study that came out of Finland. We saw this as came out of Finland. We saw this as came out of Finland. We saw this as early as the 60s before my son was early as the 60s before my son was early as the 60s before my son was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. This diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. This diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. This study had not completed. I didn't know study had not completed. I didn't know study had not completed. I didn't know what causes type 1 diabetes or why he
53:00what causes type 1 diabetes or why he what causes type 1 diabetes or why he had it until about a year afterwards had it until about a year afterwards had it until about a year afterwards when the study was released and I when the study was released and I when the study was released and I stumbled upon it and it says type 1 stumbled upon it and it says type 1 stumbled upon it and it says type 1 diabetes originates in vitamin D diabetes originates in vitamin D diabetes originates in vitamin D deficiency in the first year of life. deficiency in the first year of life. deficiency in the first year of life. Now you have a four-month-old and she's Now you have a four-month-old and she's Now you have a four-month-old and she's very precious. Is she getting enough very precious. Is she getting enough very precious. Is she getting enough vitamin D? Where is she going to get it vitamin D? Where is she going to get it vitamin D? Where is she going to get it from? There are two forms or or two from? There are two forms or or two from? There are two forms or or two sources. One is mom mom's breast milk sources. One is mom mom's breast milk sources. One is mom mom's breast milk will have vitamin D in it. But the other will have vitamin D in it. But the other will have vitamin D in it. But the other is the sunshine. is the sunshine. is the sunshine. >> Now when I was the parent of a infant >> Now when I was the parent of a infant >> Now when I was the parent of a infant child, I was living in northern New York child, I was living in northern New York child, I was living in northern New York and I had this feeling like I should go and I had this feeling like I should go and I had this feeling like I should go out in the winter. It's a beautiful out in the winter. It's a beautiful out in the winter. It's a beautiful sunny day and I should just like sunny day and I should just like sunny day and I should just like experience nature with my little boy on experience nature with my little boy on experience nature with my little boy on my chest. I didn't do it. I didn't do it my chest. I didn't do it. I didn't do it my chest. I didn't do it. I didn't do it because I was afraid of being because I was afraid of being because I was afraid of being criticized. Everybody in your world is criticized. Everybody in your world is criticized. Everybody in your world is saying the sun is dangerous. You should saying the sun is dangerous. You should saying the sun is dangerous. You should not let your kids out without slathering not let your kids out without slathering not let your kids out without slathering them up with, you know, nanoructured them up with, you know, nanoructured
54:00them up with, you know, nanoructured zinc oxide sunscreen. Never mind the zinc oxide sunscreen. Never mind the zinc oxide sunscreen. Never mind the organic chemical sunscreen, you know, organic chemical sunscreen, you know, organic chemical sunscreen, you know, with some kind of mineral sunscreen or with some kind of mineral sunscreen or with some kind of mineral sunscreen or something. Or you're a bad parent. something. Or you're a bad parent. something. Or you're a bad parent. >> No, you're not. Get your kid out there. >> No, you're not. Get your kid out there. >> No, you're not. Get your kid out there. Get the diaper off her butt. Get the diaper off her butt. Get the diaper off her butt. >> Well, it's crazy, too. when uh like my >> Well, it's crazy, too. when uh like my >> Well, it's crazy, too. when uh like my my most recent my daughter, my my most recent my daughter, my my most recent my daughter, my fourmonth-old when she was born, she had fourmonth-old when she was born, she had fourmonth-old when she was born, she had um um um >> um what's it called when they had the >> um what's it called when they had the >> um what's it called when they had the jaundice? jaundice? jaundice? >> Yeah. Too much jaundice. And then they >> Yeah. Too much jaundice. And then they >> Yeah. Too much jaundice. And then they they brought in this uh this blue light they brought in this uh this blue light they brought in this uh this blue light machine. machine. machine. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> That wraps them covers them in blue >> That wraps them covers them in blue >> That wraps them covers them in blue light. They cover their eyes and put the light. They cover their eyes and put the light. They cover their eyes and put the blue light supposed blue light supposed blue light supposed >> it right away. >> it right away. >> it right away. >> Stop the jaundice, which was >> Stop the jaundice, which was >> Stop the jaundice, which was fascinating. I was like, whoa. Like fascinating. I was like, whoa. Like fascinating. I was like, whoa. Like that's crazy. Like that's crazy. Like that's crazy. Like >> it's a photochemical reaction. >> it's a photochemical reaction. >> it's a photochemical reaction. >> And um they she had they had to do that >> And um they she had they had to do that >> And um they she had they had to do that for like a day and a half. I think and for like a day and a half. I think and for like a day and a half. I think and my wife had a C-section. So, we were in my wife had a C-section. So, we were in my wife had a C-section. So, we were in the hospital for like the hospital for like the hospital for like >> 3 days, I think. >> 3 days, I think. >> 3 days, I think. >> But just to like imagine that a baby can >> But just to like imagine that a baby can >> But just to like imagine that a baby can be born and not have any exposure to the be born and not have any exposure to the be born and not have any exposure to the natural world or any sort of natural natural world or any sort of natural natural world or any sort of natural light for 3 days was like wild.
55:00light for 3 days was like wild. light for 3 days was like wild. >> So, as soon as we brought her home, we >> So, as soon as we brought her home, we >> So, as soon as we brought her home, we literally kept her outside all day every literally kept her outside all day every literally kept her outside all day every day. day. day. >> Good job. We like brought her bassinet >> Good job. We like brought her bassinet >> Good job. We like brought her bassinet out back like under our little covered out back like under our little covered out back like under our little covered lai or whatever lai or whatever lai or whatever >> and uh she slept out there literally all >> and uh she slept out there literally all >> and uh she slept out there literally all day long. day long. day long. >> Yep. >> Yep. So, So, So, >> you're doing great. >> you're doing great. >> you're doing great. >> There's an odd practice in Denmark that >> There's an odd practice in Denmark that >> There's an odd practice in Denmark that shocked me. Um, you know, they put their shocked me. Um, you know, they put their shocked me. Um, you know, they put their babies in strollers and they're going babies in strollers and they're going babies in strollers and they're going around Cobenhound or, you know, whatever around Cobenhound or, you know, whatever around Cobenhound or, you know, whatever they're doing and they're going to have they're doing and they're going to have they're doing and they're going to have lunch or something. lunch or something. lunch or something. >> They leave their baby outside on the >> They leave their baby outside on the >> They leave their baby outside on the sidewalk sidewalk sidewalk >> in the stroller. You can't imagine doing >> in the stroller. You can't imagine doing >> in the stroller. You can't imagine doing that in America. You like you'd be that in America. You like you'd be that in America. You like you'd be arrested for child neglect or something, arrested for child neglect or something, arrested for child neglect or something, but this is the custom in Denmark. And but this is the custom in Denmark. And but this is the custom in Denmark. And it doesn't matter if it's winter. it doesn't matter if it's winter. it doesn't matter if it's winter. They're all wrapped up. This is fairly They're all wrapped up. This is fairly They're all wrapped up. This is fairly common tradition in these northern common tradition in these northern common tradition in these northern European climates to take the baby out European climates to take the baby out European climates to take the baby out in the wintertime and allow it to be in the wintertime and allow it to be in the wintertime and allow it to be cold to let it get some. Now, in the cold to let it get some. Now, in the cold to let it get some. Now, in the winter, there's no UVB. You're not winter, there's no UVB. You're not winter, there's no UVB. You're not making vitamin D in sunlight that has no making vitamin D in sunlight that has no making vitamin D in sunlight that has no UVB, but it is cold. And UVB, but it is cold. And UVB, but it is cold. And >> what is the difference? Can you like
56:00>> what is the difference? Can you like >> what is the difference? Can you like refresh me? What's the difference refresh me? What's the difference refresh me? What's the difference between UVB and UVA? between UVB and UVA? between UVB and UVA? >> It's the wavelength. Uh, so the shorter >> It's the wavelength. Uh, so the shorter >> It's the wavelength. Uh, so the shorter the wavelength, the more energetic the the wavelength, the more energetic the the wavelength, the more energetic the light is. There's visible light and so light is. There's visible light and so light is. There's visible light and so you go all the way to blue and then it you go all the way to blue and then it you go all the way to blue and then it becomes invisible. Bees can see becomes invisible. Bees can see becomes invisible. Bees can see ultraviolet light. Yeah, we can't. But a ultraviolet light. Yeah, we can't. But a ultraviolet light. Yeah, we can't. But a flower that hasn't been pollinated will flower that hasn't been pollinated will flower that hasn't been pollinated will emit ultraviolet light because it has a emit ultraviolet light because it has a emit ultraviolet light because it has a static charge on it. So the bee can see static charge on it. So the bee can see static charge on it. So the bee can see it, know that flower hasn't been it, know that flower hasn't been it, know that flower hasn't been pollinated, go pollinated, fly off, and pollinated, go pollinated, fly off, and pollinated, go pollinated, fly off, and all the bees will know which flowers all the bees will know which flowers all the bees will know which flowers have been pollinated, which haven't. But have been pollinated, which haven't. But have been pollinated, which haven't. But we don't see it. So UVA is the longest we don't see it. So UVA is the longest we don't see it. So UVA is the longest wavelength in the UV. wavelength in the UV. wavelength in the UV. >> That's the early morning light. >> That's the early morning light. >> That's the early morning light. >> Yeah. It's the first one that comes >> Yeah. It's the first one that comes >> Yeah. It's the first one that comes online in the morning. Yeah. online in the morning. Yeah. online in the morning. Yeah. >> In the morning, you'll get the infrared, >> In the morning, you'll get the infrared, >> In the morning, you'll get the infrared, the near infrared, things are starting the near infrared, things are starting the near infrared, things are starting to warm up. to warm up. to warm up. >> Because the sun is so low in the >> Because the sun is so low in the >> Because the sun is so low in the horizon, it has a very long path through horizon, it has a very long path through horizon, it has a very long path through the atmosphere. And so the shorter the atmosphere. And so the shorter the atmosphere. And so the shorter wavelengths of light are all attenuated wavelengths of light are all attenuated wavelengths of light are all attenuated or refracted off. The sun comes up and or refracted off. The sun comes up and or refracted off. The sun comes up and the first part of the UV spectrum to
57:00the first part of the UV spectrum to the first part of the UV spectrum to appear is the UVA. That's the longer appear is the UVA. That's the longer appear is the UVA. That's the longer wavelength. You have to let the sun go wavelength. You have to let the sun go wavelength. You have to let the sun go further up shorter path through the further up shorter path through the further up shorter path through the atmosphere for the UVB to come on. This atmosphere for the UVB to come on. This atmosphere for the UVB to come on. This is very important. There is no exposure is very important. There is no exposure is very important. There is no exposure in the natural world to UVB light in the natural world to UVB light in the natural world to UVB light without UVA being present and without without UVA being present and without without UVA being present and without infrared and near infrared being infrared and near infrared being infrared and near infrared being present. It's the by the time you get to present. It's the by the time you get to present. It's the by the time you get to UVB, the UV, which is the shortest of UVB, the UV, which is the shortest of UVB, the UV, which is the shortest of the wavelengths, UVA will be there and the wavelengths, UVA will be there and the wavelengths, UVA will be there and all the infrared spectrums will be there all the infrared spectrums will be there all the infrared spectrums will be there as well. as well. as well. >> So, you're saying that during the >> So, you're saying that during the >> So, you're saying that during the winter, there's no UVB. There's no UVB winter, there's no UVB. There's no UVB winter, there's no UVB. There's no UVB at Oh, no UVB. at Oh, no UVB. at Oh, no UVB. >> There's no UVB in the northern >> There's no UVB in the northern >> There's no UVB in the northern latitudes. It's because the sun goes latitudes. It's because the sun goes latitudes. It's because the sun goes down so low. Like when I was in Iceland down so low. Like when I was in Iceland down so low. Like when I was in Iceland in December, I forget, we had maybe 4 in December, I forget, we had maybe 4 in December, I forget, we had maybe 4 hours of sunshine, but the whole day was hours of sunshine, but the whole day was hours of sunshine, but the whole day was like sunset. So, it's actually gorgeous. like sunset. So, it's actually gorgeous. like sunset. So, it's actually gorgeous. If you're going to shoot a movie or If you're going to shoot a movie or If you're going to shoot a movie or something like Iceland is the way to go something like Iceland is the way to go something like Iceland is the way to go cuz you have such great light. The sun cuz you have such great light. The sun cuz you have such great light. The sun is so low on the horizon that it's is so low on the horizon that it's is so low on the horizon that it's always a long path through the always a long path through the always a long path through the atmosphere and there's no UV light in
58:00atmosphere and there's no UV light in atmosphere and there's no UV light in that. So where I was living in northern that. So where I was living in northern that. So where I was living in northern New York, there would have been no UVB New York, there would have been no UVB New York, there would have been no UVB light if I took my son outside, but light if I took my son outside, but light if I took my son outside, but there would have been cold and the cold there would have been cold and the cold there would have been cold and the cold would have produced light inside his would have produced light inside his would have produced light inside his body that still would have made some body that still would have made some body that still would have made some vitamin D. In Florida, you're far enough vitamin D. In Florida, you're far enough vitamin D. In Florida, you're far enough south so that even in the wintertime, south so that even in the wintertime, south so that even in the wintertime, and here we're recording in September, and here we're recording in September, and here we're recording in September, we're not all the way through the we're not all the way through the we're not all the way through the equinox, but you'll still get some UVB equinox, but you'll still get some UVB equinox, but you'll still get some UVB during the middle of the day at the during the middle of the day at the during the middle of the day at the latitudes at which you live. And you latitudes at which you live. And you latitudes at which you live. And you should take advantage of it with your should take advantage of it with your should take advantage of it with your daughter as you already are. daughter as you already are. daughter as you already are. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I I I've said this before, but >> Yeah. I I I I've said this before, but >> Yeah. I I I I've said this before, but there's really no other like hack or there's really no other like hack or there's really no other like hack or supplement that I can do that makes me supplement that I can do that makes me supplement that I can do that makes me feel better during the day than watching feel better during the day than watching feel better during the day than watching the sunrise. the sunrise. the sunrise. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Down here. I mean, the cold plunge is >> Down here. I mean, the cold plunge is >> Down here. I mean, the cold plunge is like probably number two. That that like probably number two. That that like probably number two. That that that, you know, gets me really fired up that, you know, gets me really fired up that, you know, gets me really fired up and I love doing it before podcast. I do and I love doing it before podcast. I do and I love doing it before podcast. I do it pretty much every day. Um, but if I
59:00it pretty much every day. Um, but if I it pretty much every day. Um, but if I get shitty sleep, if I get three or four get shitty sleep, if I get three or four get shitty sleep, if I get three or four hours of sleep, wake up throughout the hours of sleep, wake up throughout the hours of sleep, wake up throughout the night from from because of my kids or night from from because of my kids or night from from because of my kids or whatever it is, as long as I if I can whatever it is, as long as I if I can whatever it is, as long as I if I can get up at like 6:45, 7:00 and stay get up at like 6:45, 7:00 and stay get up at like 6:45, 7:00 and stay outside for 30 minutes, it will outside for 30 minutes, it will outside for 30 minutes, it will completely reset me. completely reset me. completely reset me. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> It's like it's like nothing else I've >> It's like it's like nothing else I've >> It's like it's like nothing else I've ever tried. It's it's ever tried. It's it's ever tried. It's it's >> this is the weirdest thing about >> this is the weirdest thing about >> this is the weirdest thing about podcasting is if you listen to enough podcasting is if you listen to enough podcasting is if you listen to enough Huberman, you develop what's called a Huberman, you develop what's called a Huberman, you develop what's called a parasocial relationship with a celebrity parasocial relationship with a celebrity parasocial relationship with a celebrity who you've never met, you know, but they who you've never met, you know, but they who you've never met, you know, but they their voice kind of lives in your head. their voice kind of lives in your head. their voice kind of lives in your head. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> So I get up in the morning and my >> So I get up in the morning and my >> So I get up in the morning and my morasco is on on my balcony, you know, morasco is on on my balcony, you know, morasco is on on my balcony, you know, on the east side of my apartment where on the east side of my apartment where on the east side of my apartment where the sun comes up the sun comes up the sun comes up >> and I get that sunlight in my morning >> and I get that sunlight in my morning >> and I get that sunlight in my morning just like Hubberman says. And then I get just like Hubberman says. And then I get just like Hubberman says. And then I get into my cold plunge and I do that in the into my cold plunge and I do that in the into my cold plunge and I do that in the morning just, you know, I get my morning just, you know, I get my morning just, you know, I get my cortisol levels right and I tell myself, cortisol levels right and I tell myself, cortisol levels right and I tell myself, Andrew Huberman would be so proud, you Andrew Huberman would be so proud, you Andrew Huberman would be so proud, you know, which is ridiculous. Like we know, which is ridiculous. Like we know, which is ridiculous. Like we haven't done anything more than exchange haven't done anything more than exchange haven't done anything more than exchange a couple of text messages. He doesn't a couple of text messages. He doesn't a couple of text messages. He doesn't know who the hell I am, you know, but know who the hell I am, you know, but know who the hell I am, you know, but some part of my conscience is reminding
1:00some part of my conscience is reminding some part of my conscience is reminding me to do this for I could skip it, you me to do this for I could skip it, you me to do this for I could skip it, you know, I could get away with it without know, I could get away with it without know, I could get away with it without doing it today. I could sleep in or doing it today. I could sleep in or doing it today. I could sleep in or whatever whatever whatever >> and I won't do it because yeah, Huberman >> and I won't do it because yeah, Huberman >> and I won't do it because yeah, Huberman lives rentree in my head and I think lives rentree in my head and I think lives rentree in my head and I think he's right about that morning sunshine. he's right about that morning sunshine. he's right about that morning sunshine. >> So, you have an apartment with like a >> So, you have an apartment with like a >> So, you have an apartment with like a balcony on it. Does your and does your balcony on it. Does your and does your balcony on it. Does your and does your balcony face uh the east or does balcony face uh the east or does balcony face uh the east or does >> Yeah. So, and it doesn't matter though >> Yeah. So, and it doesn't matter though >> Yeah. So, and it doesn't matter though because as long as the you could be on because as long as the you could be on because as long as the you could be on the other side of the building and you the other side of the building and you the other side of the building and you would still get the same benefits. would still get the same benefits. would still get the same benefits. >> It matters to me. Um, so I've heard, you >> It matters to me. Um, so I've heard, you >> It matters to me. Um, so I've heard, you know, just get outside. And I think the know, just get outside. And I think the know, just get outside. And I think the logic here is if you tell yourself a logic here is if you tell yourself a logic here is if you tell yourself a story about how, well, you don't really story about how, well, you don't really story about how, well, you don't really get the sunrise, then you're going to get the sunrise, then you're going to get the sunrise, then you're going to cave. You're not going to get up. You're cave. You're not going to get up. You're cave. You're not going to get up. You're not going to get out. You're not going not going to get out. You're not going not going to get out. You're not going to get anything to get anything to get anything >> right >> right >> right >> now. I think the sunlight in my eyes in >> now. I think the sunlight in my eyes in >> now. I think the sunlight in my eyes in the morning, I find that incredibly the morning, I find that incredibly the morning, I find that incredibly beneficial. I love that. It does the beneficial. I love that. It does the beneficial. I love that. It does the best feeling in the world. best feeling in the world. best feeling in the world. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But just because if I didn't have that >> But just because if I didn't have that >> But just because if I didn't have that east facing balcony, it would still be east facing balcony, it would still be east facing balcony, it would still be good for me to get outside in the
1:01good for me to get outside in the good for me to get outside in the morning, get some of that civil twilight morning, get some of that civil twilight morning, get some of that civil twilight and that dawn light going on even if I and that dawn light going on even if I and that dawn light going on even if I don't have the perfect view. So I don't don't have the perfect view. So I don't don't have the perfect view. So I don't want people to get the idea that if they want people to get the idea that if they want people to get the idea that if they don't have, you know, a balcony facing don't have, you know, a balcony facing don't have, you know, a balcony facing east, then they don't have to go east, then they don't have to go east, then they don't have to go outside, right? outside, right? outside, right? >> Yeah. They should still do that. >> Yeah. They should still do that. >> Yeah. They should still do that. >> Yeah. I mean, when the sun's rising, I >> Yeah. I mean, when the sun's rising, I >> Yeah. I mean, when the sun's rising, I can't see it from my backyard. It's not can't see it from my backyard. It's not can't see it from my backyard. It's not I can't see it until it gets up past a I can't see it until it gets up past a I can't see it until it gets up past a certain level. But um I still feel certain level. But um I still feel certain level. But um I still feel [ __ ] phenomenal after after spending [ __ ] phenomenal after after spending [ __ ] phenomenal after after spending the first 30 minutes outside. I can't I the first 30 minutes outside. I can't I the first 30 minutes outside. I can't I still can't I still can't get the still can't I still can't get the still can't I still can't get the courage courage courage >> to drag my carcass out of bed and go >> to drag my carcass out of bed and go >> to drag my carcass out of bed and go into that cold plunge first. I I need a into that cold plunge first. I I need a into that cold plunge first. I I need a couple hours first. couple hours first. couple hours first. >> Danny, I'm going to be living rentree in >> Danny, I'm going to be living rentree in >> Danny, I'm going to be living rentree in your head for a little bit. You're going your head for a little bit. You're going your head for a little bit. You're going to get up in the morning and be like, to get up in the morning and be like, to get up in the morning and be like, "Dang that Professor Seager." "Dang that Professor Seager." "Dang that Professor Seager." >> I will tell you what though. Every time >> I will tell you what though. Every time >> I will tell you what though. Every time I've done the cold plunge before my cup I've done the cold plunge before my cup I've done the cold plunge before my cup of coffee, I never even touch the of coffee, I never even touch the of coffee, I never even touch the coffee. Don't Don't even need it. coffee. Don't Don't even need it. coffee. Don't Don't even need it. >> That's interesting cuz I'll do both. I >> That's interesting cuz I'll do both. I >> That's interesting cuz I'll do both. I go out on my balcony with the coffee in go out on my balcony with the coffee in go out on my balcony with the coffee in hand. I've never really tried. Although hand. I've never really tried. Although hand. I've never really tried. Although I've heard other people say, "You're not I've heard other people say, "You're not I've heard other people say, "You're not going to need that coffee when you get
1:02going to need that coffee when you get going to need that coffee when you get in the cold plunge." Um in the cold plunge." Um in the cold plunge." Um >> I don't know. My routine is a little bit >> I don't know. My routine is a little bit >> I don't know. My routine is a little bit different. Well, the first time I ever different. Well, the first time I ever different. Well, the first time I ever did the cold plunge, I I got out and I did the cold plunge, I I got out and I did the cold plunge, I I got out and I felt just like an unbelievable surge of felt just like an unbelievable surge of felt just like an unbelievable surge of energy and dopamine like nothing I've energy and dopamine like nothing I've energy and dopamine like nothing I've ever experienced in my life. ever experienced in my life. ever experienced in my life. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Um >> Um >> Um but I but that's that's subsided over but I but that's that's subsided over but I but that's that's subsided over time. time. time. >> It makes sense. >> It makes sense. >> It makes sense. >> So, how and I think I asked Alexis about >> So, how and I think I asked Alexis about >> So, how and I think I asked Alexis about this. I don't remember what she said, this. I don't remember what she said, this. I don't remember what she said, but like or no, this was somebody else I but like or no, this was somebody else I but like or no, this was somebody else I talked to. Um, is it true that if you do talked to. Um, is it true that if you do talked to. Um, is it true that if you do it every day versus doing it maybe one it every day versus doing it maybe one it every day versus doing it maybe one or two times a week, or two times a week, or two times a week, uh, the everyday use will sort of taper uh, the everyday use will sort of taper uh, the everyday use will sort of taper the experience and sort of build your the experience and sort of build your the experience and sort of build your tolerance up to a level where you're not tolerance up to a level where you're not tolerance up to a level where you're not experiencing that, um, that dopamine experiencing that, um, that dopamine experiencing that, um, that dopamine rush. rush. rush. >> Not well, a little bit on the dopamine. >> Not well, a little bit on the dopamine. >> Not well, a little bit on the dopamine. Um, the big one here is cortisol. When Um, the big one here is cortisol. When Um, the big one here is cortisol. When you first when you're naive to cold you first when you're naive to cold you first when you're naive to cold exposure and you get in for the first
1:03exposure and you get in for the first exposure and you get in for the first time, it's a stressful event. You get a time, it's a stressful event. You get a time, it's a stressful event. You get a big cortisol boost. And so now people big cortisol boost. And so now people big cortisol boost. And so now people will go online and they'll say, "Oh, will go online and they'll say, "Oh, will go online and they'll say, "Oh, cold is so stressful. You shouldn't do cold is so stressful. You shouldn't do cold is so stressful. You shouldn't do it. It'll burn out your adrenals. it. It'll burn out your adrenals. it. It'll burn out your adrenals. >> Too much cortisol. >> Too much cortisol. >> Too much cortisol. >> Yeah, it's it's all bull crap." Because >> Yeah, it's it's all bull crap." Because >> Yeah, it's it's all bull crap." Because if you do this for a couple of weeks, if you do this for a couple of weeks, if you do this for a couple of weeks, and there's clinical data coming out of and there's clinical data coming out of and there's clinical data coming out of the Lithuanian Sports University, coming the Lithuanian Sports University, coming the Lithuanian Sports University, coming out of some of the Eastern European out of some of the Eastern European out of some of the Eastern European universities, Finland's very good on universities, Finland's very good on universities, Finland's very good on this. clinical data that track people this. clinical data that track people this. clinical data that track people who do regular cryo stimulation. So who do regular cryo stimulation. So who do regular cryo stimulation. So whether that's a cold plunge or in a whether that's a cold plunge or in a whether that's a cold plunge or in a cryo chamber and they do this for weeks, cryo chamber and they do this for weeks, cryo chamber and they do this for weeks, the cortisol spike does not continue. the cortisol spike does not continue. the cortisol spike does not continue. It's not like every time you get into It's not like every time you get into It's not like every time you get into the ice, it's not like you fail to the ice, it's not like you fail to the ice, it's not like you fail to acclimate. You actually get better at acclimate. You actually get better at acclimate. You actually get better at managing your stress response by using a managing your stress response by using a managing your stress response by using a hormetic stressor. So there's two things hormetic stressor. So there's two things hormetic stressor. So there's two things about cortisol that are really about cortisol that are really about cortisol that are really interesting. One is if your cortisol is interesting. One is if your cortisol is interesting. One is if your cortisol is already high. The best data that I've already high. The best data that I've already high. The best data that I've seen coming out of the Lithuanian Sports seen coming out of the Lithuanian Sports seen coming out of the Lithuanian Sports University is even if you're naive to University is even if you're naive to University is even if you're naive to the cold, the cold does not boost it the cold, the cold does not boost it the cold, the cold does not boost it anymore. It's like your body knows you
1:04anymore. It's like your body knows you anymore. It's like your body knows you got plenty of cortisol. You're doing got plenty of cortisol. You're doing got plenty of cortisol. You're doing fine. You won't need it. fine. You won't need it. fine. You won't need it. >> And over a few weeks, the cortisol >> And over a few weeks, the cortisol >> And over a few weeks, the cortisol spike, if you are naive to cold, begins spike, if you are naive to cold, begins spike, if you are naive to cold, begins to diminish and you get a muted cortisol to diminish and you get a muted cortisol to diminish and you get a muted cortisol response. So, one of the ways to deal response. So, one of the ways to deal response. So, one of the ways to deal with cortisol irregularities, with cortisol irregularities, with cortisol irregularities, um, ironically, is to adopt a cold punch um, ironically, is to adopt a cold punch um, ironically, is to adopt a cold punch practice and to do it regularly. There's practice and to do it regularly. There's practice and to do it regularly. There's other things you can do. Uh, breath work other things you can do. Uh, breath work other things you can do. Uh, breath work is pretty good. Anything that will help is pretty good. Anything that will help is pretty good. Anything that will help you manage stress, you manage stress, you manage stress, >> but there's a really unusual story that >> but there's a really unusual story that >> but there's a really unusual story that comes from Mitch Wisnowski of the 49ers, comes from Mitch Wisnowski of the 49ers, comes from Mitch Wisnowski of the 49ers, and he's like the and he's like the and he's like the >> What position is he? >> What position is he? >> What position is he? >> He's the punter. There's this thing >> He's the punter. There's this thing >> He's the punter. There's this thing happening in the NFL where there aremies happening in the NFL where there aremies happening in the NFL where there aremies in Australia teaching former Australian in Australia teaching former Australian in Australia teaching former Australian rules football players how to punt rules football players how to punt rules football players how to punt according to the NFL rules cuz I guess according to the NFL rules cuz I guess according to the NFL rules cuz I guess the kids in Australia I don't know the kids in Australia I don't know the kids in Australia I don't know there's a lot of punting or something in
1:05there's a lot of punting or something in there's a lot of punting or something in Australian rules football like they seem Australian rules football like they seem Australian rules football like they seem to understand how to do it. They teach to understand how to do it. They teach to understand how to do it. They teach them the NFL rules. They them the NFL rules. They them the NFL rules. They >> Well, their football is only their >> Well, their football is only their >> Well, their football is only their football is rugby, right? football is rugby, right? football is rugby, right? >> I but they call it I think they have >> I but they call it I think they have >> I but they call it I think they have rugby too. They have regular American rugby too. They have regular American rugby too. They have regular American football. No, they have Australian rules football. No, they have Australian rules football. No, they have Australian rules football which is much more brutal than football which is much more brutal than football which is much more brutal than like if you I don't know take the pads like if you I don't know take the pads like if you I don't know take the pads off of them, take the helmet off them, off of them, take the helmet off them, off of them, take the helmet off them, you get these crazy Australians to run you get these crazy Australians to run you get these crazy Australians to run full speed into one another. Like I I full speed into one another. Like I I full speed into one another. Like I I don't exactly know how it works, but don't exactly know how it works, but don't exactly know how it works, but Mitch knew how it worked and he knew he Mitch knew how it worked and he knew he Mitch knew how it worked and he knew he wanted to be a professional athlete when wanted to be a professional athlete when wanted to be a professional athlete when he was a kid. Thing is that didn't work he was a kid. Thing is that didn't work he was a kid. Thing is that didn't work out for him. Um, instead he wound up out for him. Um, instead he wound up out for him. Um, instead he wound up like installing windows or something. like installing windows or something. like installing windows or something. And when he heard about these And when he heard about these And when he heard about these Australianmies that would teach you Australianmies that would teach you Australianmies that would teach you American rules punting, he signed up. He American rules punting, he signed up. He American rules punting, he signed up. He spent like a year in Melbourne learning spent like a year in Melbourne learning spent like a year in Melbourne learning Australian rules punting. He came over Australian rules punting. He came over Australian rules punting. He came over to like Santa Barbara Community College to like Santa Barbara Community College to like Santa Barbara Community College or something like this and he walks on or something like this and he walks on or something like this and he walks on and he gets the job as the punter. He and he gets the job as the punter. He and he gets the job as the punter. He transfers to maybe Utah University, but
1:06transfers to maybe Utah University, but transfers to maybe Utah University, but it's a D1 NCAA school and he's the it's a D1 NCAA school and he's the it's a D1 NCAA school and he's the punter. He wins the Ray Guy Award, which punter. He wins the Ray Guy Award, which punter. He wins the Ray Guy Award, which is the best college punter in America. is the best college punter in America. is the best college punter in America. He gets drafted by the 49ers. He's He gets drafted by the 49ers. He's He gets drafted by the 49ers. He's already like four years too old or already like four years too old or already like four years too old or something, but the 49ers say, "All something, but the 49ers say, "All something, but the 49ers say, "All right, you know, we'll take a chance on right, you know, we'll take a chance on right, you know, we'll take a chance on the old guy." the old guy." the old guy." >> The problem is that climbing the ladder >> The problem is that climbing the ladder >> The problem is that climbing the ladder like that for him gave him a bubble in like that for him gave him a bubble in like that for him gave him a bubble in the retina behind his eye that was full the retina behind his eye that was full the retina behind his eye that was full of cortisol. He experienced these like of cortisol. He experienced these like of cortisol. He experienced these like visual disturbances and he goes to the visual disturbances and he goes to the visual disturbances and he goes to the doctor and the doctor says, "You got to doctor and the doctor says, "You got to doctor and the doctor says, "You got to get your stress down. You've got like get your stress down. You've got like get your stress down. You've got like you're overproducing cortisol. If you you're overproducing cortisol. If you you're overproducing cortisol. If you don't quit your stressful lifestyle, don't quit your stressful lifestyle, don't quit your stressful lifestyle, you're going to lose sight in that eye." you're going to lose sight in that eye." you're going to lose sight in that eye." Mitch goes, he's like, "Well, I'm a Mitch goes, he's like, "Well, I'm a Mitch goes, he's like, "Well, I'm a punter." You know, like I can't quit punter." You know, like I can't quit punter." You know, like I can't quit now. I've got to find something to get now. I've got to find something to get now. I've got to find something to get my cortisol levels down without quitting my cortisol levels down without quitting my cortisol levels down without quitting my football career. So, what does he do?
1:07my football career. So, what does he do? my football career. So, what does he do? Breath work and cold plunge. He goes Breath work and cold plunge. He goes Breath work and cold plunge. He goes back to the doctor and this is months back to the doctor and this is months back to the doctor and this is months later and he says, "Doc, I've been doing later and he says, "Doc, I've been doing later and he says, "Doc, I've been doing this breath work and cold plunge. How this breath work and cold plunge. How this breath work and cold plunge. How does my eye look?" And the doc is going, does my eye look?" And the doc is going, does my eye look?" And the doc is going, "I've never seen anything like it. You "I've never seen anything like it. You "I've never seen anything like it. You don't have a cortisol bubble anymore. don't have a cortisol bubble anymore. don't have a cortisol bubble anymore. What have you been doing?" And Mitch is What have you been doing?" And Mitch is What have you been doing?" And Mitch is like, I told you, you know, breath work, like, I told you, you know, breath work, like, I told you, you know, breath work, cold plunge. He goes, "Well, whatever it cold plunge. He goes, "Well, whatever it cold plunge. He goes, "Well, whatever it is, you just keep that up." Next thing is, you just keep that up." Next thing is, you just keep that up." Next thing you know, Mitch is in the Super Bowl, you know, Mitch is in the Super Bowl, you know, Mitch is in the Super Bowl, you know, at top of his game, punting you know, at top of his game, punting you know, at top of his game, punting great. That doesn't speak for the whole great. That doesn't speak for the whole great. That doesn't speak for the whole team. They'll have their ups and downs, team. They'll have their ups and downs, team. They'll have their ups and downs, but Mitch is extending his career and but Mitch is extending his career and but Mitch is extending his career and managing his stress levels, doing what managing his stress levels, doing what managing his stress levels, doing what most people would tell him is just going most people would tell him is just going most people would tell him is just going to ruin his stress. What people on to ruin his stress. What people on to ruin his stress. What people on Instagram believe about ice baths and Instagram believe about ice baths and Instagram believe about ice baths and stress is not supported by the data. stress is not supported by the data. stress is not supported by the data. There's something called exposure There's something called exposure There's something called exposure therapy or another term for it might be therapy or another term for it might be therapy or another term for it might be stress inoculation. If you're having stress inoculation. If you're having stress inoculation. If you're having trouble with stress, the answer is to trouble with stress, the answer is to trouble with stress, the answer is to titrate the stress to give your body titrate the stress to give your body titrate the stress to give your body experience with levels of stress that
1:08experience with levels of stress that experience with levels of stress that you can tolerate. Gradually increasing you can tolerate. Gradually increasing you can tolerate. Gradually increasing the dose of stress so that you no longer the dose of stress so that you no longer the dose of stress so that you no longer wind up dysfunctional or disabled by the wind up dysfunctional or disabled by the wind up dysfunctional or disabled by the stress. There's a difference between stress. There's a difference between stress. There's a difference between distress, which will be debilitating, distress, which will be debilitating, distress, which will be debilitating, and what's called ustress, which is a and what's called ustress, which is a and what's called ustress, which is a good stress. And you can move your own good stress. And you can move your own good stress. And you can move your own personal thresh tolerance sort of to the personal thresh tolerance sort of to the personal thresh tolerance sort of to the right on this graph where the stress is right on this graph where the stress is right on this graph where the stress is beneficial for you when you get better beneficial for you when you get better beneficial for you when you get better at managing it. So, you know, you and me at managing it. So, you know, you and me at managing it. So, you know, you and me going into the cold plunge before we do going into the cold plunge before we do going into the cold plunge before we do a podcast, freaking perfect. like we're a podcast, freaking perfect. like we're a podcast, freaking perfect. like we're in a state at which you know what's in a state at which you know what's in a state at which you know what's going to bother us. You know, Steve is going to bother us. You know, Steve is going to bother us. You know, Steve is late. Who cares? You know, late. Who cares? You know, late. Who cares? You know, >> Steve's like we we were actually the >> Steve's like we we were actually the >> Steve's like we we were actually the ones that were late. We were like an ones that were late. We were like an ones that were late. We were like an hour and a half late. hour and a half late. hour and a half late. >> It's true. I was just going to throw him >> It's true. I was just going to throw him >> It's true. I was just going to throw him under the bus, right? under the bus, right? under the bus, right? >> Uh so, um that Susanna Soberg study, um they were
1:09that Susanna Soberg study, um they were that was involving sauna and cold, that was involving sauna and cold, that was involving sauna and cold, right? They were they were combining the right? They were they were combining the right? They were they were combining the both and they and the the outcome of it both and they and the the outcome of it both and they and the the outcome of it was they recommended like an 11 minutes was they recommended like an 11 minutes was they recommended like an 11 minutes per week or something like this. per week or something like this. per week or something like this. >> Yeah. And um it it was an it was able to >> Yeah. And um it it was an it was able to >> Yeah. And um it it was an it was able to boost metabolism. boost metabolism. boost metabolism. >> There's a lot of um oversimplification >> There's a lot of um oversimplification >> There's a lot of um oversimplification what she did for her dissertation and what she did for her dissertation and what she did for her dissertation and she's published in Cell and other she's published in Cell and other she's published in Cell and other journals. It's very good. Um, but it's journals. It's very good. Um, but it's journals. It's very good. Um, but it's also damn hard to make a living with as also damn hard to make a living with as also damn hard to make a living with as a PhD faculty member in the European a PhD faculty member in the European a PhD faculty member in the European Union. The jobs are just not plentiful. Union. The jobs are just not plentiful. Union. The jobs are just not plentiful. Typically, you have to do a long Typically, you have to do a long Typically, you have to do a long posttock, wait for somebody to die, then posttock, wait for somebody to die, then posttock, wait for somebody to die, then a faculty job will open up and the a faculty job will open up and the a faculty job will open up and the funding sources aren't quite as good as funding sources aren't quite as good as funding sources aren't quite as good as they are in the United States. The they are in the United States. The they are in the United States. The university system isn't growing. Uh, university system isn't growing. Uh, university system isn't growing. Uh, it's a bleak career to slog it out as a it's a bleak career to slog it out as a it's a bleak career to slog it out as a faculty member in the EU. So what she faculty member in the EU. So what she faculty member in the EU. So what she has done as far as I can tell uh is make has done as far as I can tell uh is make has done as far as I can tell uh is make a career for herself as what she calls a
1:10a career for herself as what she calls a a career for herself as what she calls a thermalist. So advising people on how to thermalist. So advising people on how to thermalist. So advising people on how to use thermal contrast therapy to improve use thermal contrast therapy to improve use thermal contrast therapy to improve the quality of their lives. Okay? And the quality of their lives. Okay? And the quality of their lives. Okay? And she probably has a lot of case studies. she probably has a lot of case studies. she probably has a lot of case studies. >> I don't know for a fact. She blocked me >> I don't know for a fact. She blocked me >> I don't know for a fact. She blocked me years ago on Twitter because of years ago on Twitter because of years ago on Twitter because of something about I'm not kidding you something about I'm not kidding you something about I'm not kidding you Danny. Um you can look this up. Danny. Um you can look this up. Danny. Um you can look this up. Something some disagreement that we had Something some disagreement that we had Something some disagreement that we had about cortisol. She goes I measured about cortisol. She goes I measured about cortisol. She goes I measured cortisol and then she blocked me. So, cortisol and then she blocked me. So, cortisol and then she blocked me. So, I'm not counting on her to read the book I'm not counting on her to read the book I'm not counting on her to read the book or anything, but I see that her work in or anything, but I see that her work in or anything, but I see that her work in Cell is quite good, but it's also been Cell is quite good, but it's also been Cell is quite good, but it's also been oversimplified and exaggerated because oversimplified and exaggerated because oversimplified and exaggerated because that's what you need to do if you're that's what you need to do if you're that's what you need to do if you're going to make a living through social going to make a living through social going to make a living through social media or coaching people. I don't think media or coaching people. I don't think media or coaching people. I don't think that there's you really have a choice in that there's you really have a choice in that there's you really have a choice in the matter. And I'm not calling it dumb the matter. And I'm not calling it dumb the matter. And I'm not calling it dumb it down. I mean simplify it and it down. I mean simplify it and it down. I mean simplify it and exaggerate it. So, let's talk about that exaggerate it. So, let's talk about that exaggerate it. So, let's talk about that study in cell. study in cell. study in cell. >> Her dissertation is essentially in using >> Her dissertation is essentially in using >> Her dissertation is essentially in using PET scanning to identify brown fat. PET scanning to identify brown fat. PET scanning to identify brown fat. Okay, you go back 15, 20 years, medical Okay, you go back 15, 20 years, medical Okay, you go back 15, 20 years, medical doctors were convinced there was no such doctors were convinced there was no such doctors were convinced there was no such thing as brown fat in the adult human thing as brown fat in the adult human thing as brown fat in the adult human body. Infants have it, but they thought
1:11body. Infants have it, but they thought body. Infants have it, but they thought that human beings all grow out of it. that human beings all grow out of it. that human beings all grow out of it. And I said earlier, you know, 95% of the And I said earlier, you know, 95% of the And I said earlier, you know, 95% of the people tested don't have it. But the people tested don't have it. But the people tested don't have it. But the Swedes discovered brown fat in people Swedes discovered brown fat in people Swedes discovered brown fat in people who were continuously exposed to cold. who were continuously exposed to cold. who were continuously exposed to cold. These were typically cancer patients These were typically cancer patients These were typically cancer patients that would come in to have their tumor that would come in to have their tumor that would come in to have their tumor scanned and they say, "Hey, where's scanned and they say, "Hey, where's scanned and they say, "Hey, where's this? It's showing up on the scan." It this? It's showing up on the scan." It this? It's showing up on the scan." It was brown fat. Now you can do was brown fat. Now you can do was brown fat. Now you can do >> why cancer patients? >> why cancer patients? >> why cancer patients? >> Because the way PET scanning works, you >> Because the way PET scanning works, you >> Because the way PET scanning works, you inject a a radioactive form of glucose. inject a a radioactive form of glucose. inject a a radioactive form of glucose. This travels through the body. Now This travels through the body. Now This travels through the body. Now cancer cells will preferentially cancer cells will preferentially cancer cells will preferentially metabolize glucose. So this radioactive metabolize glucose. So this radioactive metabolize glucose. So this radioactive tracer gets sucked up into the tumor tracer gets sucked up into the tumor tracer gets sucked up into the tumor cells. They will then bypassing the cells. They will then bypassing the cells. They will then bypassing the mitochondria use that glucose to produce mitochondria use that glucose to produce mitochondria use that glucose to produce ATP and proliferate. So if they want to ATP and proliferate. So if they want to ATP and proliferate. So if they want to image your tumor, they give you this image your tumor, they give you this image your tumor, they give you this radioactive tracer glucose and shows up radioactive tracer glucose and shows up radioactive tracer glucose and shows up on the posatron emission tomography scan on the posatron emission tomography scan on the posatron emission tomography scan >> because the tumors suck it up. >> because the tumors suck it up. >> because the tumors suck it up. >> You got it right. So that's a >> You got it right. So that's a >> You got it right. So that's a concentration thrive on glucose.
1:12concentration thrive on glucose. concentration thrive on glucose. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now here's the thing. These instruments >> Now here's the thing. These instruments >> Now here's the thing. These instruments are very large. Uh they can run hot. are very large. Uh they can run hot. are very large. Uh they can run hot. Sometimes you have to keep the Sometimes you have to keep the Sometimes you have to keep the instrument room cool just for the instrument room cool just for the instrument room cool just for the instrument. And in some cases, it's cold instrument. And in some cases, it's cold instrument. And in some cases, it's cold enough for the patient, you know, who's enough for the patient, you know, who's enough for the patient, you know, who's wearing one of those stupid gowns to get wearing one of those stupid gowns to get wearing one of those stupid gowns to get active brown fat going. And so in a few active brown fat going. And so in a few active brown fat going. And so in a few scans, these Swedish researchers saw scans, these Swedish researchers saw scans, these Swedish researchers saw symmetrical depots that would show up symmetrical depots that would show up symmetrical depots that would show up and they said, "That must be brown fat." and they said, "That must be brown fat." and they said, "That must be brown fat." Nobody believed them until someone at Nobody believed them until someone at Nobody believed them until someone at the Sloan Ketering Institute in New York the Sloan Ketering Institute in New York the Sloan Ketering Institute in New York said, "I'll show those guys. I've got said, "I'll show those guys. I've got said, "I'll show those guys. I've got 10,000 PET scans. I'm going to look at 10,000 PET scans. I'm going to look at 10,000 PET scans. I'm going to look at them at all." them at all." them at all." >> Yeah. 95% of them no detectable brown >> Yeah. 95% of them no detectable brown >> Yeah. 95% of them no detectable brown fat but 5% of them showed exactly those fat but 5% of them showed exactly those fat but 5% of them showed exactly those symmetrical depots and those Swedish symmetrical depots and those Swedish symmetrical depots and those Swedish researchers were proven right. There is researchers were proven right. There is researchers were proven right. There is brown fat in adult human beings who brown fat in adult human beings who brown fat in adult human beings who practice regular cold exposure. So by practice regular cold exposure. So by practice regular cold exposure. So by the time Susanna and I don't know her I the time Susanna and I don't know her I the time Susanna and I don't know her I haven't talked to her but by the time haven't talked to her but by the time haven't talked to her but by the time that she's in her graduate program you
1:13that she's in her graduate program you that she's in her graduate program you can do a whole PhD on this thing. can do a whole PhD on this thing. can do a whole PhD on this thing. there's been an explosion of brown fat there's been an explosion of brown fat there's been an explosion of brown fat research because it's such a fascinating research because it's such a fascinating research because it's such a fascinating topic and so critical for human health. topic and so critical for human health. topic and so critical for human health. She's doing PET scans and she says, "I'm She's doing PET scans and she says, "I'm She's doing PET scans and she says, "I'm going to get these Danish winter going to get these Danish winter going to get these Danish winter swimmers." So, these are people who like swimmers." So, these are people who like swimmers." So, these are people who like jump in the fjord and they swim around jump in the fjord and they swim around jump in the fjord and they swim around for fun in Denmark. And she scans them for fun in Denmark. And she scans them for fun in Denmark. And she scans them and she says, "Lo behold, they have and she says, "Lo behold, they have and she says, "Lo behold, they have active brown fat." I've shown it in, and active brown fat." I've shown it in, and active brown fat." I've shown it in, and this is wonderful. She does a survey and this is wonderful. She does a survey and this is wonderful. She does a survey and she says, "Okay, um, how often do you she says, "Okay, um, how often do you she says, "Okay, um, how often do you go? How long do you stay in there? Do go? How long do you stay in there? Do go? How long do you stay in there? Do you also sauna?" And blah blah blah. And you also sauna?" And blah blah blah. And you also sauna?" And blah blah blah. And there's a whole variety of responses as there's a whole variety of responses as there's a whole variety of responses as you might imagine. So she averages them you might imagine. So she averages them you might imagine. So she averages them out and she says, "Of the Danish winter out and she says, "Of the Danish winter out and she says, "Of the Danish winter swimmers surveyed, they do an average of swimmers surveyed, they do an average of swimmers surveyed, they do an average of 11 minutes a week." Now, if you're going 11 minutes a week." Now, if you're going 11 minutes a week." Now, if you're going to oversimplify and exaggerate this, to oversimplify and exaggerate this, to oversimplify and exaggerate this, then you'll go on the Huberman podcast, then you'll go on the Huberman podcast, then you'll go on the Huberman podcast, you'll say, "Oh, 11 minutes a week, you'll say, "Oh, 11 minutes a week, you'll say, "Oh, 11 minutes a week, that's all you need. That's the the dose that's all you need. That's the the dose that's all you need. That's the the dose that you should have." But we don't know that you should have." But we don't know that you should have." But we don't know that. It could be that there's a minimum that. It could be that there's a minimum that. It could be that there's a minimum effective dose that is less than.
1:14effective dose that is less than. effective dose that is less than. Nobody's ever really done like the Nobody's ever really done like the Nobody's ever really done like the comprehensive study. What we do know is comprehensive study. What we do know is comprehensive study. What we do know is that these people did on average 11 that these people did on average 11 that these people did on average 11 minutes and they all had brown fat. minutes and they all had brown fat. minutes and they all had brown fat. Maybe you could do five. You know, Maybe you could do five. You know, Maybe you could do five. You know, >> a PET scan is not something you want to >> a PET scan is not something you want to >> a PET scan is not something you want to sign up for. sign up for. sign up for. >> And where did Huberman get this and you >> And where did Huberman get this and you >> And where did Huberman get this and you might have already told I don't remember might have already told I don't remember might have already told I don't remember if you told me this on the podcast or if you told me this on the podcast or if you told me this on the podcast or before we started, but where did before we started, but where did before we started, but where did Huberman get this idea of ending on Huberman get this idea of ending on Huberman get this idea of ending on cold? cold? cold? >> That's a metabolic recommendation. Um, >> That's a metabolic recommendation. Um, >> That's a metabolic recommendation. Um, when you're somebody studying brown fat, when you're somebody studying brown fat, when you're somebody studying brown fat, you're all about the metabolism. You're you're all about the metabolism. You're you're all about the metabolism. You're saying, "What would cause the brown fat saying, "What would cause the brown fat saying, "What would cause the brown fat to, you know, suck up glucose or to, you know, suck up glucose or to, you know, suck up glucose or triglycerides or fatty acids from the triglycerides or fatty acids from the triglycerides or fatty acids from the bloodstream? How would it be active? bloodstream? How would it be active? bloodstream? How would it be active? What kind of calories are burned in the What kind of calories are burned in the What kind of calories are burned in the brown fat? What's the effect of brown brown fat? What's the effect of brown brown fat? What's the effect of brown fat on the metabolism?" If what you're fat on the metabolism?" If what you're fat on the metabolism?" If what you're doing is going to the cold plunge doing is going to the cold plunge doing is going to the cold plunge because you want to maximize the because you want to maximize the because you want to maximize the function of your brown fat, finish on function of your brown fat, finish on function of your brown fat, finish on cold and have your body rewarm itself cold and have your body rewarm itself cold and have your body rewarm itself using its own thermogenic mechanisms. So using its own thermogenic mechanisms. So using its own thermogenic mechanisms. So from the perspective of a brown fat
1:15from the perspective of a brown fat from the perspective of a brown fat scientist, finishing on cold makes all scientist, finishing on cold makes all scientist, finishing on cold makes all kinds of sense. You're going to get the kinds of sense. You're going to get the kinds of sense. You're going to get the most brown fat activity. If you go most brown fat activity. If you go most brown fat activity. If you go straight into the sauna after you do the straight into the sauna after you do the straight into the sauna after you do the cold, then it's kind of like you're cold, then it's kind of like you're cold, then it's kind of like you're giving your brown fat a break. There giving your brown fat a break. There giving your brown fat a break. There could be great reasons for it. The ice could be great reasons for it. The ice could be great reasons for it. The ice bath is vasoc constriction. So this is bath is vasoc constriction. So this is bath is vasoc constriction. So this is smooth muscle tissue closing off the smooth muscle tissue closing off the smooth muscle tissue closing off the blood vessels that supply blood to your blood vessels that supply blood to your blood vessels that supply blood to your extremities. This is to protect your extremities. This is to protect your extremities. This is to protect your core body temperature against the cold. core body temperature against the cold. core body temperature against the cold. Your limbs will get cold but your core Your limbs will get cold but your core Your limbs will get cold but your core stays warm. stays warm. stays warm. >> Your organs, your deep your internal >> Your organs, your deep your internal >> Your organs, your deep your internal organs suck up all the blood to stay organs suck up all the blood to stay organs suck up all the blood to stay alive. alive. alive. >> You got it. It'll go into your head >> You got it. It'll go into your head >> You got it. It'll go into your head because usually your head is not, you because usually your head is not, you because usually your head is not, you know, submerged in the ice bath. This is know, submerged in the ice bath. This is know, submerged in the ice bath. This is good for profusion in the brain. Vasil good for profusion in the brain. Vasil good for profusion in the brain. Vasil constriction is like a workout for your constriction is like a workout for your constriction is like a workout for your smooth muscle tissue. Then you might smooth muscle tissue. Then you might smooth muscle tissue. Then you might say, "And then I want to go into the say, "And then I want to go into the say, "And then I want to go into the sauna. I want to get that vaso dilation sauna. I want to get that vaso dilation sauna. I want to get that vaso dilation when I'm sweating, and this will be good when I'm sweating, and this will be good when I'm sweating, and this will be good for my vascule," which it is. The end on for my vascule," which it is. The end on for my vascule," which it is. The end on cold when you're doing thermal contrast cold when you're doing thermal contrast cold when you're doing thermal contrast therapy is a metabolic recommendation. therapy is a metabolic recommendation. therapy is a metabolic recommendation. Maybe metabolism isn't what you're in Maybe metabolism isn't what you're in Maybe metabolism isn't what you're in there for. Maybe you're getting in there
1:16there for. Maybe you're getting in there there for. Maybe you're getting in there for psychological reasons. Maybe you're for psychological reasons. Maybe you're for psychological reasons. Maybe you're using the cold not so much to recruit using the cold not so much to recruit using the cold not so much to recruit brown fat. You're not worried about brown fat. You're not worried about brown fat. You're not worried about losing weight. Maybe you're doing it for losing weight. Maybe you're doing it for losing weight. Maybe you're doing it for other reasons. And in that case, there's other reasons. And in that case, there's other reasons. And in that case, there's no reason to end on cold. What you and I no reason to end on cold. What you and I no reason to end on cold. What you and I did this morning was kind of flip your did this morning was kind of flip your did this morning was kind of flip your usual routine. We did cold, we did usual routine. We did cold, we did usual routine. We did cold, we did exercise, we did sauna, and then we just exercise, we did sauna, and then we just exercise, we did sauna, and then we just did like a little micro dose of cold for did like a little micro dose of cold for did like a little micro dose of cold for the energy boost, right? the energy boost, right? the energy boost, right? >> I do it for only the energy boost. It's >> I do it for only the energy boost. It's >> I do it for only the energy boost. It's the only reason I do it for the only reason I do it for the only reason I do it for >> That's cool. Um, and it seems like it's >> That's cool. Um, and it seems like it's >> That's cool. Um, and it seems like it's working. working. working. >> So, would that would that hinder the >> So, would that would that hinder the >> So, would that would that hinder the energy boost if you go in the sauna energy boost if you go in the sauna energy boost if you go in the sauna after? after? after? >> You tell me. Uh, give it a shot and see >> You tell me. Uh, give it a shot and see >> You tell me. Uh, give it a shot and see whether you feel that that dopamine rush whether you feel that that dopamine rush whether you feel that that dopamine rush that you get is wearing off. that you get is wearing off. that you get is wearing off. >> Well, I feel great right now. >> Well, I feel great right now. >> Well, I feel great right now. >> I feel pleased. >> I feel pleased. >> I feel pleased. >> Today's my first day trying it with with >> Today's my first day trying it with with >> Today's my first day trying it with with the sauna at the end. the sauna at the end. the sauna at the end. >> The reason you do it at the end is >> The reason you do it at the end is >> The reason you do it at the end is because there's really good research on because there's really good research on because there's really good research on using sauna for recovery from strenuous using sauna for recovery from strenuous using sauna for recovery from strenuous exercise. So, if you do a hard workout,
1:17exercise. So, if you do a hard workout, exercise. So, if you do a hard workout, >> you know, Huberman has told us this and >> you know, Huberman has told us this and >> you know, Huberman has told us this and he's right. Do not do an ice bath after he's right. Do not do an ice bath after he's right. Do not do an ice bath after a hard workout. You will blunt the a hard workout. You will blunt the a hard workout. You will blunt the information. you will reduce the information. you will reduce the information. you will reduce the hypertrophy. If you're going for muscle hypertrophy. If you're going for muscle hypertrophy. If you're going for muscle growth, then wait at least four hours, growth, then wait at least four hours, growth, then wait at least four hours, he says. Right. he says. Right. he says. Right. >> Well, and that's fine. If you do the >> Well, and that's fine. If you do the >> Well, and that's fine. If you do the cold before your workout, you will speed cold before your workout, you will speed cold before your workout, you will speed your recovery, boost your testosterone your recovery, boost your testosterone your recovery, boost your testosterone without um delaying or blunting that without um delaying or blunting that without um delaying or blunting that hypertrophy. And this is a remarkable hypertrophy. And this is a remarkable hypertrophy. And this is a remarkable finding that is partly coming out of finding that is partly coming out of finding that is partly coming out of Craig Heler and is substantiated by Craig Heler and is substantiated by Craig Heler and is substantiated by other sources. do your cold first, then other sources. do your cold first, then other sources. do your cold first, then do your exercise, and you'll get a do your exercise, and you'll get a do your exercise, and you'll get a testosterone testosterone testosterone >> and you can lift way more and you have >> and you can lift way more and you have >> and you can lift way more and you have way more endurance. way more endurance. way more endurance. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, this is interesting. I've >> You know, this is interesting. I've >> You know, this is interesting. I've talked about this before, but I I I um a talked about this before, but I I I um a talked about this before, but I I I um a couple times I've done this 7-day fast couple times I've done this 7-day fast couple times I've done this 7-day fast where I only drink water. where I only drink water. where I only drink water. >> I heard you talk about it >> I heard you talk about it >> I heard you talk about it >> and at the end of it at the end of the >> and at the end of it at the end of the >> and at the end of it at the end of the first time I ever did it on like day first time I ever did it on like day first time I ever did it on like day five, I went to the gym on no food for 5 five, I went to the gym on no food for 5 five, I went to the gym on no food for 5 days and I I can I was able to do like days and I I can I was able to do like days and I I can I was able to do like five times the amount of pull-ups.
1:18five times the amount of pull-ups. five times the amount of pull-ups. >> You feel like you can dunk the >> You feel like you can dunk the >> You feel like you can dunk the basketball now, right? I played full basketball now, right? I played full basketball now, right? I played full court basketball for an hour with no court basketball for an hour with no court basketball for an hour with no cramps, which never happens to me. cramps, which never happens to me. cramps, which never happens to me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I was just stunned. I'm like, where >> And I was just stunned. I'm like, where >> And I was just stunned. I'm like, where am I getting this from? Like, I have no am I getting this from? Like, I have no am I getting this from? Like, I have no food. I have no no glucose in my system. food. I have no no glucose in my system. food. I have no no glucose in my system. Not a single calorie in my system. I Not a single calorie in my system. I Not a single calorie in my system. I don't know how I'm doing this stuff. don't know how I'm doing this stuff. don't know how I'm doing this stuff. >> Hang on. Let's talk about that through, >> Hang on. Let's talk about that through, >> Hang on. Let's talk about that through, >> but it sounded similar to what Heler was >> but it sounded similar to what Heler was >> but it sounded similar to what Heler was talking about. You did have glucose in talking about. You did have glucose in talking about. You did have glucose in your system. If you do not take in your system. If you do not take in your system. If you do not take in glucose, uh, you know, carbohydrates in glucose, uh, you know, carbohydrates in glucose, uh, you know, carbohydrates in your diet, you will produce glucose from your diet, you will produce glucose from your diet, you will produce glucose from other non-carbohydrate sources like other non-carbohydrate sources like other non-carbohydrate sources like amino acids. I was also drinking um I amino acids. I was also drinking um I amino acids. I was also drinking um I was drinking the um what was in it? It was drinking the um what was in it? It was drinking the um what was in it? It was like lemonade with syrup. Maple was like lemonade with syrup. Maple was like lemonade with syrup. Maple syrup. syrup. syrup. >> That sounds like Paul Saladino would >> That sounds like Paul Saladino would >> That sounds like Paul Saladino would approve. approve. approve. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was like a It was like the >> Yeah. It was like a It was like the >> Yeah. It was like a It was like the Beyonce uh thing. I learned it I learned Beyonce uh thing. I learned it I learned Beyonce uh thing. I learned it I learned about it from Kelly Slater talking about about it from Kelly Slater talking about about it from Kelly Slater talking about it, but I think Beyonce does the same. it, but I think Beyonce does the same. it, but I think Beyonce does the same. >> Kelly Slater the surfer. >> Kelly Slater the surfer. >> Kelly Slater the surfer. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um so that's a little bit of carb, but >> Um so that's a little bit of carb, but >> Um so that's a little bit of carb, but that's not going to get you through an that's not going to get you through an that's not going to get you through an hour of full court. hour of full court. hour of full court. >> No. Gluonneogenesis will do that. So,
1:19>> No. Gluonneogenesis will do that. So, >> No. Gluonneogenesis will do that. So, you take amino acids and other you take amino acids and other you take amino acids and other non-carbohydrate sources and your body non-carbohydrate sources and your body non-carbohydrate sources and your body knows to maintain a healthy glucose knows to maintain a healthy glucose knows to maintain a healthy glucose level by synthesizing its own glucose. level by synthesizing its own glucose. level by synthesizing its own glucose. After a 7-day fast, fullcore basketball, After a 7-day fast, fullcore basketball, After a 7-day fast, fullcore basketball, I'm guessing you were in ketosis. I'm I'm guessing you were in ketosis. I'm I'm guessing you were in ketosis. I'm guessing that you were fully keto guessing that you were fully keto guessing that you were fully keto adapted and that you felt like an adapted and that you felt like an adapted and that you felt like an infinite reservoir of energy because you infinite reservoir of energy because you infinite reservoir of energy because you have plenty of body fat. Your body have plenty of body fat. Your body have plenty of body fat. Your body cannot store energy in the form of cannot store energy in the form of cannot store energy in the form of carbohydrates. It can store some uh as carbohydrates. It can store some uh as carbohydrates. It can store some uh as glycogen in your liver and it keeps it glycogen in your liver and it keeps it glycogen in your liver and it keeps it there for emergencies. For example, when there for emergencies. For example, when there for emergencies. For example, when you get into the ice bath, you activate you get into the ice bath, you activate you get into the ice bath, you activate the sympathetic division of the the sympathetic division of the the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system. So, this is a autonomic nervous system. So, this is a autonomic nervous system. So, this is a fight orflight. Your liver will release fight orflight. Your liver will release fight orflight. Your liver will release glycogen stores into your bloodstream. glycogen stores into your bloodstream. glycogen stores into your bloodstream. We have this continuous glucose We have this continuous glucose We have this continuous glucose monitoring data that will show a brief monitoring data that will show a brief monitoring data that will show a brief spike in blood sugar levels when a spike in blood sugar levels when a spike in blood sugar levels when a healthy person gets into the ice bath. healthy person gets into the ice bath. healthy person gets into the ice bath. type two diabetic with elevated blood type two diabetic with elevated blood type two diabetic with elevated blood sugar, it doesn't happen because their sugar, it doesn't happen because their sugar, it doesn't happen because their blood sugar is already too high. Yeah. blood sugar is already too high. Yeah. blood sugar is already too high. Yeah. But when a healthy person gets in, boom,
1:20But when a healthy person gets in, boom, But when a healthy person gets in, boom, brief spike, they might go up to 140. brief spike, they might go up to 140. brief spike, they might go up to 140. >> And then that glucose is cleared from >> And then that glucose is cleared from >> And then that glucose is cleared from your bloodstream by mostly muscles, I your bloodstream by mostly muscles, I your bloodstream by mostly muscles, I would say, doing thermogenesis, but it would say, doing thermogenesis, but it would say, doing thermogenesis, but it could be by brown fat as well. could be by brown fat as well. could be by brown fat as well. >> So for you, 7-day fast where you're >> So for you, 7-day fast where you're >> So for you, 7-day fast where you're doing some lemon juice and maple syrup, doing some lemon juice and maple syrup, doing some lemon juice and maple syrup, you're probably in ketosis. Ben you're probably in ketosis. Ben you're probably in ketosis. Ben Greenfield talks about how when he goes Greenfield talks about how when he goes Greenfield talks about how when he goes into keto for exercise, fully keto into keto for exercise, fully keto into keto for exercise, fully keto adapted and he feels an infinite pool of adapted and he feels an infinite pool of adapted and he feels an infinite pool of energy. Ordinarily, if you're not in energy. Ordinarily, if you're not in energy. Ordinarily, if you're not in ketosis and you're going to do an hour ketosis and you're going to do an hour ketosis and you're going to do an hour of fullcourt basketball, you're going to of fullcourt basketball, you're going to of fullcourt basketball, you're going to run out of your carbohydrate reserves run out of your carbohydrate reserves run out of your carbohydrate reserves pretty freaking fast. Your liver will pretty freaking fast. Your liver will pretty freaking fast. Your liver will release glycogen, which is a polymerized release glycogen, which is a polymerized release glycogen, which is a polymerized version of glucose. It'll break down version of glucose. It'll break down version of glucose. It'll break down into glucose. Your muscles are running into glucose. Your muscles are running into glucose. Your muscles are running on that glucose. It's no wonder you get on that glucose. It's no wonder you get on that glucose. It's no wonder you get a cramp because you're not ready to a cramp because you're not ready to a cramp because you're not ready to transition into a fat metabolism in the transition into a fat metabolism in the transition into a fat metabolism in the middle of your basketball game. There's middle of your basketball game. There's middle of your basketball game. There's something called metabolic flexibility something called metabolic flexibility something called metabolic flexibility and and roughly it describes how fast and and roughly it describes how fast and and roughly it describes how fast can your body go from carbohydrate-based
1:21can your body go from carbohydrate-based can your body go from carbohydrate-based metabolism to fat-based metabolism. metabolism to fat-based metabolism. metabolism to fat-based metabolism. >> Most people they talk about the keto flu >> Most people they talk about the keto flu >> Most people they talk about the keto flu or the discomfort that they experience or the discomfort that they experience or the discomfort that they experience when they first try keto and it's one of when they first try keto and it's one of when they first try keto and it's one of the reasons that people have difficulty the reasons that people have difficulty the reasons that people have difficulty complying with the ketogenic diet. But I complying with the ketogenic diet. But I complying with the ketogenic diet. But I don't experience that. uh this article I don't experience that. uh this article I don't experience that. uh this article I did um which isn't famous but is uh did um which isn't famous but is uh did um which isn't famous but is uh people have been reading online on people have been reading online on people have been reading online on ketosis and Thanksgiving. I love pumpkin ketosis and Thanksgiving. I love pumpkin ketosis and Thanksgiving. I love pumpkin pie. It's like my downfall every pie. It's like my downfall every pie. It's like my downfall every Thanksgiving. And at Thanksgiving, you Thanksgiving. And at Thanksgiving, you Thanksgiving. And at Thanksgiving, you know, I'll eat everything, but the day know, I'll eat everything, but the day know, I'll eat everything, but the day after I'm all about the leftover pumpkin after I'm all about the leftover pumpkin after I'm all about the leftover pumpkin pie. So for me, I ate a half a dang pie. So for me, I ate a half a dang pie. So for me, I ate a half a dang pumpkin pie. There's a lot of carbs in pumpkin pie. There's a lot of carbs in pumpkin pie. There's a lot of carbs in that. And it took me 20 minutes to, you that. And it took me 20 minutes to, you that. And it took me 20 minutes to, you know, for food regret to sink in. I'm know, for food regret to sink in. I'm know, for food regret to sink in. I'm like, I should get in the ice bath. I'm like, I should get in the ice bath. I'm like, I should get in the ice bath. I'm gonna burn off some of that glucose. I gonna burn off some of that glucose. I gonna burn off some of that glucose. I did. Pee on the stick. 2 hours later, I did. Pee on the stick. 2 hours later, I did. Pee on the stick. 2 hours later, I have ketones in my bloodstream. How can have ketones in my bloodstream. How can have ketones in my bloodstream. How can you possibly be in ketosis after you
1:22you possibly be in ketosis after you you possibly be in ketosis after you just ate all those carbs? And the answer just ate all those carbs? And the answer just ate all those carbs? And the answer is I cleared them out of the system with is I cleared them out of the system with is I cleared them out of the system with the ice bath that um those carbohydrate the ice bath that um those carbohydrate the ice bath that um those carbohydrate reserves in my liver. They get released, reserves in my liver. They get released, reserves in my liver. They get released, they get burned up, and I switch right they get burned up, and I switch right they get burned up, and I switch right back to fat metabolism. back to fat metabolism. back to fat metabolism. >> Metabolic flexibility is something that >> Metabolic flexibility is something that >> Metabolic flexibility is something that you can train your body to do so that it you can train your body to do so that it you can train your body to do so that it will go from carb to fat, back to carb, will go from carb to fat, back to carb, will go from carb to fat, back to carb, you know, just in response to your diet. you know, just in response to your diet. you know, just in response to your diet. You don't need three days. You don't need three days. You don't need three days. >> So the cold burns off all the gly >> So the cold burns off all the gly >> So the cold burns off all the gly glycogen reserves. You got it. In type 2 glycogen reserves. You got it. In type 2 glycogen reserves. You got it. In type 2 diabetics, I've seen this in continuous diabetics, I've seen this in continuous diabetics, I've seen this in continuous glucose monitoring data. They'll go glucose monitoring data. They'll go glucose monitoring data. They'll go from, let's say, 220, which is an from, let's say, 220, which is an from, let's say, 220, which is an unhealthy elevated blood glucose level, unhealthy elevated blood glucose level, unhealthy elevated blood glucose level, and they might go down to 120, 140, they and they might go down to 120, 140, they and they might go down to 120, 140, they will stay there for hours because the will stay there for hours because the will stay there for hours because the cold plunge will improve your insulin cold plunge will improve your insulin cold plunge will improve your insulin sensitivity. Now, if you believe Ben sensitivity. Now, if you believe Ben sensitivity. Now, if you believe Ben Bickman, which I do, he's a BYU Bickman, which I do, he's a BYU Bickman, which I do, he's a BYU professor. He wrote a book called Why We
1:23professor. He wrote a book called Why We professor. He wrote a book called Why We Get Sick. And the data all supports what Get Sick. And the data all supports what Get Sick. And the data all supports what he says. Every leading cause of death, he says. Every leading cause of death, he says. Every leading cause of death, that is every chronic illness in the that is every chronic illness in the that is every chronic illness in the United States that's on the leaderboard United States that's on the leaderboard United States that's on the leaderboard of chronic sorry of cause of death. of chronic sorry of cause of death. of chronic sorry of cause of death. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It originates in insulin resistance. >> It originates in insulin resistance. >> It originates in insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is killing this Insulin resistance is killing this Insulin resistance is killing this country. Heart disease, insulin country. Heart disease, insulin country. Heart disease, insulin resistance. Uh Alzheimer's, insulin resistance. Uh Alzheimer's, insulin resistance. Uh Alzheimer's, insulin resistance. Cancer, insulin resistance. resistance. Cancer, insulin resistance. resistance. Cancer, insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is at the core of Insulin resistance is at the core of Insulin resistance is at the core of every leading cause of death from caus every leading cause of death from caus every leading cause of death from caus of um leading cause of death from of um leading cause of death from of um leading cause of death from chronic illness in the United States. chronic illness in the United States. chronic illness in the United States. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> You fix your insulin resistance, you >> You fix your insulin resistance, you >> You fix your insulin resistance, you improve your longevity, you improve your improve your longevity, you improve your improve your longevity, you improve your energy, you improve your metabolism, you energy, you improve your metabolism, you energy, you improve your metabolism, you reduce the rates of all of these chronic reduce the rates of all of these chronic reduce the rates of all of these chronic illnesses, that's type 2 diabetes, illnesses, that's type 2 diabetes, illnesses, that's type 2 diabetes, that's stroke, all the cardiovascular that's stroke, all the cardiovascular that's stroke, all the cardiovascular complications. complications. complications. >> So why wouldn't you want that? Why >> So why wouldn't you want that? Why >> So why wouldn't you want that? Why wouldn't you want improved insulin wouldn't you want improved insulin wouldn't you want improved insulin resistance? How do you get it? You go resistance? How do you get it? You go resistance? How do you get it? You go keto every once in a while. That's good keto every once in a while. That's good keto every once in a while. That's good for your mitochondria. You do exercise.
1:24for your mitochondria. You do exercise. for your mitochondria. You do exercise. Regular exercise. Good for your Regular exercise. Good for your Regular exercise. Good for your mitochondria. Improves your insulin mitochondria. Improves your insulin mitochondria. Improves your insulin sensitivity. sensitivity. sensitivity. But the best way to improve your insulin But the best way to improve your insulin But the best way to improve your insulin sensitivity is to get cold every once in sensitivity is to get cold every once in sensitivity is to get cold every once in a while because that's the best way to a while because that's the best way to a while because that's the best way to stimulate mitobiogenesis. And exercise stimulate mitobiogenesis. And exercise stimulate mitobiogenesis. And exercise can't do it at the same rate. can't do it at the same rate. can't do it at the same rate. >> Interesting. I was going to say that we >> Interesting. I was going to say that we >> Interesting. I was going to say that we did cold, which activates your brown did cold, which activates your brown did cold, which activates your brown fat, gets your mitochondria going up. We fat, gets your mitochondria going up. We fat, gets your mitochondria going up. We did some exercise, which rewarms the did some exercise, which rewarms the did some exercise, which rewarms the muscles, going to boost the muscles, going to boost the muscles, going to boost the testosterone. There's good science on testosterone. There's good science on testosterone. There's good science on using sauna to recover from a heavy using sauna to recover from a heavy using sauna to recover from a heavy workout. Sona is good for the workout. Sona is good for the workout. Sona is good for the circulation. It opens up the blood circulation. It opens up the blood circulation. It opens up the blood vessels. It helps the muscles get the vessels. It helps the muscles get the vessels. It helps the muscles get the nutrients they need to build. There's nutrients they need to build. There's nutrients they need to build. There's really good research on doing exercise really good research on doing exercise really good research on doing exercise after cold, especially in men, to boost after cold, especially in men, to boost after cold, especially in men, to boost testosterone levels, to improve testosterone levels, to improve testosterone levels, to improve mitochondrial function, to boost mitochondrial function, to boost mitochondrial function, to boost luteinizing hormone. luteinizing hormone. luteinizing hormone. >> There is no clinical study on what we >> There is no clinical study on what we >> There is no clinical study on what we did this morning. Cold, exercise, and did this morning. Cold, exercise, and did this morning. Cold, exercise, and then sauna. Nobody's ever done the like then sauna. Nobody's ever done the like then sauna. Nobody's ever done the like the triple stack in that order,
1:25the triple stack in that order, the triple stack in that order, >> right? Well, and then what about what >> right? Well, and then what about what >> right? Well, and then what about what about ending it on cold, like a like a about ending it on cold, like a like a about ending it on cold, like a like a dip in the cold after? You wouldn't want dip in the cold after? You wouldn't want dip in the cold after? You wouldn't want to do that after like a super heavy to do that after like a super heavy to do that after like a super heavy lift, right? lift, right? lift, right? >> I think if you're going real quick, I >> I think if you're going real quick, I >> I think if you're going real quick, I think if you're going think if you're going think if you're going >> like a real like a little splash. >> like a real like a little splash. >> like a real like a little splash. >> I I don't think it's going to be a big >> I I don't think it's going to be a big >> I I don't think it's going to be a big deal. I don't think you're going to deal. I don't think you're going to deal. I don't think you're going to blunt your hypertrophy if you're doing blunt your hypertrophy if you're doing blunt your hypertrophy if you're doing 15 seconds at 38° or something. But I 15 seconds at 38° or something. But I 15 seconds at 38° or something. But I don't have any clinical data to back don't have any clinical data to back don't have any clinical data to back that up. that up. that up. >> Can Do you ever get headaches when you >> Can Do you ever get headaches when you >> Can Do you ever get headaches when you dip your head under at like 33°? dip your head under at like 33°? dip your head under at like 33°? >> People report to me that they >> People report to me that they >> People report to me that they >> That's happened to me once. I I had a >> That's happened to me once. I I had a >> That's happened to me once. I I had a headache for like a week. headache for like a week. headache for like a week. >> So, there's um two things about >> So, there's um two things about >> So, there's um two things about headaches in the cold. Headaches can be headaches in the cold. Headaches can be headaches in the cold. Headaches can be associated with metabolic dysfunction. associated with metabolic dysfunction. associated with metabolic dysfunction. So somebody getting migraines might So somebody getting migraines might So somebody getting migraines might start a cold plunge practice, improve start a cold plunge practice, improve start a cold plunge practice, improve perfusion in the brain, improve their perfusion in the brain, improve their perfusion in the brain, improve their metabolism, and find that it helps their metabolism, and find that it helps their metabolism, and find that it helps their headaches. headaches. headaches. >> But somebody else getting into the cold >> But somebody else getting into the cold >> But somebody else getting into the cold might force blood up into the brain, might force blood up into the brain, might force blood up into the brain, increase the pressure up there and make increase the pressure up there and make increase the pressure up there and make their headaches worse. There's a trend their headaches worse. There's a trend their headaches worse. There's a trend of people just dipping their face in the of people just dipping their face in the of people just dipping their face in the water because, you know, somebody says,
1:26water because, you know, somebody says, water because, you know, somebody says, "Oh, you get all the benefits of cold "Oh, you get all the benefits of cold "Oh, you get all the benefits of cold plunge." That's a bunch of nonsense. You plunge." That's a bunch of nonsense. You plunge." That's a bunch of nonsense. You will get the dive reflex, which is one will get the dive reflex, which is one will get the dive reflex, which is one of the benefits of cold plunge. of the benefits of cold plunge. of the benefits of cold plunge. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But you also might get the headache. I >> But you also might get the headache. I >> But you also might get the headache. I don't recommend ice baths for headaches. don't recommend ice baths for headaches. don't recommend ice baths for headaches. I have a different recommendation for I have a different recommendation for I have a different recommendation for that. I brought it down. I'm glad you that. I brought it down. I'm glad you that. I brought it down. I'm glad you asked cuz uh want to show you what's asked cuz uh want to show you what's asked cuz uh want to show you what's called the migraine lamp. called the migraine lamp. called the migraine lamp. >> Migraine. >> Migraine. >> Migraine. >> It's green light therapy for headaches. >> It's green light therapy for headaches. >> It's green light therapy for headaches. So, I'm going to shine this self So, I'm going to shine this self So, I'm going to shine this self >> on I'm going to shine this on my eyes >> on I'm going to shine this on my eyes >> on I'm going to shine this on my eyes >> cuz you use it like this. If you're in a >> cuz you use it like this. If you're in a >> cuz you use it like this. If you're in a therapeutic setting, you would set it on therapeutic setting, you would set it on therapeutic setting, you would set it on like a little cell phone stand. You'd like a little cell phone stand. You'd like a little cell phone stand. You'd put it in front of you. put it in front of you. put it in front of you. >> You'd close your eyes and you let the >> You'd close your eyes and you let the >> You'd close your eyes and you let the green light come through your closed green light come through your closed green light come through your closed eyelids. Nobody knows why this works, eyelids. Nobody knows why this works, eyelids. Nobody knows why this works, but it works. I was on Mark Bell's but it works. I was on Mark Bell's but it works. I was on Mark Bell's podcast and his producer Andrew, he's podcast and his producer Andrew, he's podcast and his producer Andrew, he's had migraines ever since he was a kid. had migraines ever since he was a kid. had migraines ever since he was a kid. And so he asked me about it. The
1:27And so he asked me about it. The And so he asked me about it. The invention was kind of accidental because invention was kind of accidental because invention was kind of accidental because I had a girlfriend with migraine I had a girlfriend with migraine I had a girlfriend with migraine headaches and I was looking at red light headaches and I was looking at red light headaches and I was looking at red light and UV and phototherapy and I think and UV and phototherapy and I think and UV and phototherapy and I think Google must have known that I was doing Google must have known that I was doing Google must have known that I was doing this library search and you know it's this library search and you know it's this library search and you know it's hey maybe you're going to like this one hey maybe you're going to like this one hey maybe you're going to like this one or something cuz they watch my every or something cuz they watch my every or something cuz they watch my every move, you know. That's odd. Yeah. Right. move, you know. That's odd. Yeah. Right. move, you know. That's odd. Yeah. Right. >> Um and it was about green light and >> Um and it was about green light and >> Um and it was about green light and phototoobia for people who suffer from phototoobia for people who suffer from phototoobia for people who suffer from migraines. When you have a migraine, migraines. When you have a migraine, migraines. When you have a migraine, most migrainers want total darkness most migrainers want total darkness most migrainers want total darkness because the light will make their because the light will make their because the light will make their headache worse. headache worse. headache worse. >> So, they shut themselves in a closet or >> So, they shut themselves in a closet or >> So, they shut themselves in a closet or in a dark bedroom or something. It's in a dark bedroom or something. It's in a dark bedroom or something. It's terrible. But at Harvard, they tested terrible. But at Harvard, they tested terrible. But at Harvard, they tested all the wavelengths of light and they all the wavelengths of light and they all the wavelengths of light and they found that green had a pain relieving or found that green had a pain relieving or found that green had a pain relieving or analesic effect. University of Arizona analesic effect. University of Arizona analesic effect. University of Arizona picks this up and they start making picks this up and they start making picks this up and they start making devices with just green LEDs in them for devices with just green LEDs in them for devices with just green LEDs in them for migrainers to use and they get a s migrainers to use and they get a s migrainers to use and they get a s significant reduction in the frequency significant reduction in the frequency significant reduction in the frequency and severity of migraine headaches in and severity of migraine headaches in and severity of migraine headaches in among those people who used green light
1:28among those people who used green light among those people who used green light phototherapy. the mechanisms remain a phototherapy. the mechanisms remain a phototherapy. the mechanisms remain a mystery. But I'm reading about this and mystery. But I'm reading about this and mystery. But I'm reading about this and I'm like, "Oh." I go to a friend of I'm like, "Oh." I go to a friend of I'm like, "Oh." I go to a friend of mine, you know, this is just a red light mine, you know, this is just a red light mine, you know, this is just a red light box. And I say, "Could you make this, box. And I say, "Could you make this, box. And I say, "Could you make this, you know, with green LEDs in it you know, with green LEDs in it you know, with green LEDs in it instead?" And I gave him the wavelengths instead?" And I gave him the wavelengths instead?" And I gave him the wavelengths that I wanted. And sure enough, the that I wanted. And sure enough, the that I wanted. And sure enough, the prototype came from his manufacturer. prototype came from his manufacturer. prototype came from his manufacturer. Wow. Wow. Wow. >> And he turned it on and he was like, >> And he turned it on and he was like, >> And he turned it on and he was like, >> "This is terrible. You know, it's going >> "This is terrible. You know, it's going >> "This is terrible. You know, it's going to give me a headache." And he calls me to give me a headache." And he calls me to give me a headache." And he calls me up and he says, up and he says, up and he says, >> "Tom, we can't market this." I said, >> "Tom, we can't market this." I said, >> "Tom, we can't market this." I said, "Well, I have to see it. I gotta, you "Well, I have to see it. I gotta, you "Well, I have to see it. I gotta, you know, maybe I'll figure something out. know, maybe I'll figure something out. know, maybe I'll figure something out. Um, I drive out there with this woman Um, I drive out there with this woman Um, I drive out there with this woman that I'm dating at the time. She gets that I'm dating at the time. She gets that I'm dating at the time. She gets headaches all the time and I'm turning headaches all the time and I'm turning headaches all the time and I'm turning this on and I'm agreeing with my buddy this on and I'm agreeing with my buddy this on and I'm agreeing with my buddy and I'm like, "Ah, it's awful." She and I'm like, "Ah, it's awful." She and I'm like, "Ah, it's awful." She says, "Let me see that." And she takes says, "Let me see that." And she takes says, "Let me see that." And she takes it out of my hand. She puts it right up it out of my hand. She puts it right up it out of my hand. She puts it right up against her face. She closes her eyes against her face. She closes her eyes against her face. She closes her eyes and she says, "This feels really good." and she says, "This feels really good." and she says, "This feels really good." So, I'm like, I think we just invented
1:29So, I'm like, I think we just invented So, I'm like, I think we just invented the world's most powerful green thapy the world's most powerful green thapy the world's most powerful green thapy device for pain relief. Brought device for pain relief. Brought device for pain relief. Brought >> Do you have any speculation to why it >> Do you have any speculation to why it >> Do you have any speculation to why it could help headaches? Can I see it? could help headaches? Can I see it? could help headaches? Can I see it? >> I'm going to get there. Yeah. Um, I sent >> I'm going to get there. Yeah. Um, I sent >> I'm going to get there. Yeah. Um, I sent one to Andrew from Mark Bell's podcast one to Andrew from Mark Bell's podcast one to Andrew from Mark Bell's podcast just to try it out. He said it works just to try it out. He said it works just to try it out. He said it works great. Reduces his need for medication. great. Reduces his need for medication. great. Reduces his need for medication. He tried it with his wife and his wife He tried it with his wife and his wife He tried it with his wife and his wife is not the same kind of chronic is not the same kind of chronic is not the same kind of chronic migrainer that he is. Sorry, I hit the migrainer that he is. Sorry, I hit the migrainer that he is. Sorry, I hit the wrong button on you. wrong button on you. wrong button on you. >> How do I turn it on? Uh there's a power >> How do I turn it on? Uh there's a power >> How do I turn it on? Uh there's a power button and then there's controls for all button and then there's controls for all button and then there's controls for all the different wavelengths that go with the different wavelengths that go with the different wavelengths that go with it and a timer. And I I might have um it and a timer. And I I might have um it and a timer. And I I might have um >> Did we break it? >> Did we break it? >> Did we break it? >> Yeah, probably. Uh I put it on like no. >> Yeah, probably. Uh I put it on like no. >> Yeah, probably. Uh I put it on like no. I put it on the the zero dimness I put it on the the zero dimness I put it on the the zero dimness setting. So now you're back up to max. setting. So now you're back up to max. setting. So now you're back up to max. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Andrew says it's fantastic. Um >> Yeah. Andrew says it's fantastic. Um >> Yeah. Andrew says it's fantastic. Um other people tell me the same thing. other people tell me the same thing. other people tell me the same thing. >> Is it okay to look at it or no? There's >> Is it okay to look at it or no? There's >> Is it okay to look at it or no? There's no harms that I've noticed from looking no harms that I've noticed from looking no harms that I've noticed from looking at it. Um, but the way that it has at it. Um, but the way that it has at it. Um, but the way that it has worked best is through closed eyelids.
1:30worked best is through closed eyelids. worked best is through closed eyelids. >> You can just charge it with like a >> You can just charge it with like a >> You can just charge it with like a normal iPhone charger, normal iPhone charger, normal iPhone charger, >> USB charger. Yep. >> USB charger. Yep. >> USB charger. Yep. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, I have a clinician in Utah uses this >> So, I have a clinician in Utah uses this >> So, I have a clinician in Utah uses this with his patients. He sends me case with his patients. He sends me case with his patients. He sends me case studies. Postconussion headaches, sinus studies. Postconussion headaches, sinus studies. Postconussion headaches, sinus headaches, stress headaches, migraine headaches, stress headaches, migraine headaches, stress headaches, migraine headaches, all of these relieved by headaches, all of these relieved by headaches, all of these relieved by green phototherapy. And you were green phototherapy. And you were green phototherapy. And you were saying,"Well, could we make a guess at saying,"Well, could we make a guess at saying,"Well, could we make a guess at how it works?" Um, how it works?" Um, how it works?" Um, the the PhDs doing this research, they the the PhDs doing this research, they the the PhDs doing this research, they are like neurologists. I'm an engineer. are like neurologists. I'm an engineer. are like neurologists. I'm an engineer. I make machines. I make machines. I make machines. >> I don't understand how the optic nerve >> I don't understand how the optic nerve >> I don't understand how the optic nerve or the brain works, or the brain works, or the brain works, >> but I understand how forest bathing >> but I understand how forest bathing >> but I understand how forest bathing works. In Japan, they have what? works. In Japan, they have what? works. In Japan, they have what? >> Forest bathing. >> Forest bathing. >> Forest bathing. >> Okay. So it it's an expression that >> Okay. So it it's an expression that >> Okay. So it it's an expression that translates this Japanese word that I translates this Japanese word that I translates this Japanese word that I forget what it is, but the the English forget what it is, but the the English forget what it is, but the the English interpretation of this Japanese practice interpretation of this Japanese practice interpretation of this Japanese practice is you go into the forest maybe four or is you go into the forest maybe four or is you go into the forest maybe four or five hours a week and you bathe in the five hours a week and you bathe in the five hours a week and you bathe in the forest metaphorically. You don't get
1:31forest metaphorically. You don't get forest metaphorically. You don't get wet, but you're you're allowing the air wet, but you're you're allowing the air wet, but you're you're allowing the air and the light environment of the forest and the light environment of the forest and the light environment of the forest to be your environment. taking in the to be your environment. taking in the to be your environment. taking in the forest atmosphere or forest bathing forest atmosphere or forest bathing forest atmosphere or forest bathing describes the mindful practice of describes the mindful practice of describes the mindful practice of immersing one's senses in a natural immersing one's senses in a natural immersing one's senses in a natural environment to that makes so much sense. environment to that makes so much sense. environment to that makes so much sense. >> Shin yoku I guess is the term that uh >> Shin yoku I guess is the term that uh >> Shin yoku I guess is the term that uh Google is telling us now you probably Google is telling us now you probably Google is telling us now you probably like get the point. Yeah. You go out in like get the point. Yeah. You go out in like get the point. Yeah. You go out in nature, you're going to feel better. nature, you're going to feel better. nature, you're going to feel better. Everyone's had this experience. Everyone's had this experience. Everyone's had this experience. >> Yeah. Clinical trials show that you >> Yeah. Clinical trials show that you >> Yeah. Clinical trials show that you don't just feel better, you heal faster, don't just feel better, you heal faster, don't just feel better, you heal faster, your mood improves, your health improves your mood improves, your health improves your mood improves, your health improves in every dimension when you go out into in every dimension when you go out into in every dimension when you go out into the forest. Not only that, but if you the forest. Not only that, but if you the forest. Not only that, but if you just paint a mural of a forest on the just paint a mural of a forest on the just paint a mural of a forest on the wall of a dentist office, the patients wall of a dentist office, the patients wall of a dentist office, the patients will report lower pain readings. Really? will report lower pain readings. Really? will report lower pain readings. Really? Really? Exactly. If you give a hospital
1:32Really? Exactly. If you give a hospital Really? Exactly. If you give a hospital patient a window and outside their patient a window and outside their patient a window and outside their window is like a cityscape, it's a window is like a cityscape, it's a window is like a cityscape, it's a little bit of benefit. But if you have little bit of benefit. But if you have little bit of benefit. But if you have trees outside their window, it will trees outside their window, it will trees outside their window, it will reduce their hospital stays because they reduce their hospital stays because they reduce their hospital stays because they will heal faster. So there's something will heal faster. So there's something will heal faster. So there's something about the green. Well, in the forest, about the green. Well, in the forest, about the green. Well, in the forest, you know, there's all kinds of clean air you know, there's all kinds of clean air you know, there's all kinds of clean air and wonderful things, but the light and wonderful things, but the light and wonderful things, but the light environment is unique. every for every environment is unique. every for every environment is unique. every for every shady forest throughout the world and shady forest throughout the world and shady forest throughout the world and people have brought spectrophotometers people have brought spectrophotometers people have brought spectrophotometers and measured this dominated by two and measured this dominated by two and measured this dominated by two wavelengths of light green that makes wavelengths of light green that makes wavelengths of light green that makes sense you know the leaves are all green sense you know the leaves are all green sense you know the leaves are all green >> and near infrared and that part doesn't >> and near infrared and that part doesn't >> and near infrared and that part doesn't really make a lot of sense but it turns really make a lot of sense but it turns really make a lot of sense but it turns out that the trees are emitting two out that the trees are emitting two out that the trees are emitting two wavelengths of light that they can't wavelengths of light that they can't wavelengths of light that they can't really use green and near infrared one really use green and near infrared one really use green and near infrared one of them is visible to us and one of them of them is visible to us and one of them of them is visible to us and one of them is invisible now if you live in Phoenix is invisible now if you live in Phoenix is invisible now if you live in Phoenix Arizona like I you you don't get green. Arizona like I you you don't get green. Arizona like I you you don't get green. There's no green. A palm tree is not a There's no green. A palm tree is not a
1:33There's no green. A palm tree is not a shady forest. So, you are removed from shady forest. So, you are removed from shady forest. So, you are removed from that forest bathing environment. You got that forest bathing environment. You got that forest bathing environment. You got to drive two hours up to PAC or to drive two hours up to PAC or to drive two hours up to PAC or Flagstaff or something like that if you Flagstaff or something like that if you Flagstaff or something like that if you want to find the forest in Arizona. It's want to find the forest in Arizona. It's want to find the forest in Arizona. It's beautiful up there, but I don't have all beautiful up there, but I don't have all beautiful up there, but I don't have all day for this. The theory is that we can day for this. The theory is that we can day for this. The theory is that we can bring the green light of the forest, bring the green light of the forest, bring the green light of the forest, which I am in deficit of because I live which I am in deficit of because I live which I am in deficit of because I live in Phoenix. We can bring it into my in Phoenix. We can bring it into my in Phoenix. We can bring it into my home. We can bring it into my eyes. And home. We can bring it into my eyes. And home. We can bring it into my eyes. And then we can give me one of the benefits then we can give me one of the benefits then we can give me one of the benefits of forest bathing. That is the light of forest bathing. That is the light of forest bathing. That is the light environment of the forest in my environment of the forest in my environment of the forest in my apartment, you know, in a high-rise in apartment, you know, in a high-rise in apartment, you know, in a high-rise in Phoenix. Phoenix. Phoenix. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> That doesn't say how or why it works, >> That doesn't say how or why it works, >> That doesn't say how or why it works, but that is kind of a naturalistic but that is kind of a naturalistic but that is kind of a naturalistic explanation for us to investigate. explanation for us to investigate. explanation for us to investigate. >> That's fascinating, right? >> That's fascinating, right? >> That's fascinating, right? >> It sure is. I've had I have a friend >> It sure is. I've had I have a friend >> It sure is. I've had I have a friend Paul Rosley who moved to the Amazon when Paul Rosley who moved to the Amazon when Paul Rosley who moved to the Amazon when he was a when he was a kid and he he was a when he was a kid and he he was a when he was a kid and he describes uh when you first go to the describes uh when you first go to the describes uh when you first go to the Amazon from being indoctrinated into
1:34Amazon from being indoctrinated into Amazon from being indoctrinated into technological society. He came from technological society. He came from technological society. He came from Brooklyn, New York and went down there Brooklyn, New York and went down there Brooklyn, New York and went down there and the way he described it was that and the way he described it was that and the way he described it was that like being out there with all the like being out there with all the like being out there with all the natural sounds of the birds and the natural sounds of the birds and the natural sounds of the birds and the insects and the sticks breaking under insects and the sticks breaking under insects and the sticks breaking under your feet and the river, the Amazon your feet and the river, the Amazon your feet and the river, the Amazon River flowing. He was like, "It does River flowing. He was like, "It does River flowing. He was like, "It does something like that unescribable where something like that unescribable where something like that unescribable where it unlocks these deep senses buried with it unlocks these deep senses buried with it unlocks these deep senses buried with inside like these ancient senses that inside like these ancient senses that inside like these ancient senses that are inside of us that have been are inside of us that have been are inside of us that have been atrophied from us being exposed to atrophied from us being exposed to atrophied from us being exposed to technology 24/7." technology 24/7." technology 24/7." >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And I think there's really something to >> And I think there's really something to >> And I think there's really something to that. Man, that. Man, that. Man, >> you have the most interesting friends in >> you have the most interesting friends in >> you have the most interesting friends in the world as far as I can tell. Like, the world as far as I can tell. Like, the world as far as I can tell. Like, you know, people with these crazy you know, people with these crazy you know, people with these crazy stories. Um, and I think he's right. Uh, stories. Um, and I think he's right. Uh, stories. Um, and I think he's right. Uh, I grew up in Pittsburgh, inner city in I grew up in Pittsburgh, inner city in I grew up in Pittsburgh, inner city in the 70s. You have to be able to shut the 70s. You have to be able to shut the 70s. You have to be able to shut down the sensory inputs and focus just down the sensory inputs and focus just down the sensory inputs and focus just on those things. I mean, sometimes it's on those things. I mean, sometimes it's on those things. I mean, sometimes it's a life ordeath situation. Whether you're a life ordeath situation. Whether you're a life ordeath situation. Whether you're a kid learning to cross the street or a kid learning to cross the street or a kid learning to cross the street or you're like, "What bus am I going to get you're like, "What bus am I going to get you're like, "What bus am I going to get on for school or whatever your the urban
1:35on for school or whatever your the urban on for school or whatever your the urban environment is overwhelming? It would be environment is overwhelming? It would be environment is overwhelming? It would be sensory overload if you did not shut sensory overload if you did not shut sensory overload if you did not shut down some senses and focus on others." down some senses and focus on others." down some senses and focus on others." So, uh the classic example is learning So, uh the classic example is learning So, uh the classic example is learning how to drive. When you first, you know, how to drive. When you first, you know, how to drive. When you first, you know, you've passed your permit test and you've passed your permit test and you've passed your permit test and you're driving, everything seems you're driving, everything seems you're driving, everything seems significant to you and you have to learn significant to you and you have to learn significant to you and you have to learn how to ignore some things and just focus how to ignore some things and just focus how to ignore some things and just focus on that one traffic signal. You know, is on that one traffic signal. You know, is on that one traffic signal. You know, is it green or is it yellow? What's it it green or is it yellow? What's it it green or is it yellow? What's it doing? And the only way to do that is to doing? And the only way to do that is to doing? And the only way to do that is to tune out. tune out. tune out. >> Then you go, you know, I was down in >> Then you go, you know, I was down in >> Then you go, you know, I was down in Peru for this like Iawaska thing and Peru for this like Iawaska thing and Peru for this like Iawaska thing and it's offrid. Thank goodness there was it's offrid. Thank goodness there was it's offrid. Thank goodness there was some moon light and it's quiet. some moon light and it's quiet. some moon light and it's quiet. >> And now all of a sudden your senses can >> And now all of a sudden your senses can >> And now all of a sudden your senses can open up again because you don't have to open up again because you don't have to open up again because you don't have to shut down just to find the one or two shut down just to find the one or two shut down just to find the one or two signals that are going to keep you alive signals that are going to keep you alive signals that are going to keep you alive in that setting. I think I was only in that setting. I think I was only in that setting. I think I was only there for seven days. You know, your there for seven days. You know, your there for seven days. You know, your friend probably had a sensory awakening
1:36friend probably had a sensory awakening friend probably had a sensory awakening that he's now much more in tune with that he's now much more in tune with that he's now much more in tune with things that um he hadn't experienced or things that um he hadn't experienced or things that um he hadn't experienced or he'd been trained to ignore. Yeah. Yeah. he'd been trained to ignore. Yeah. Yeah. he'd been trained to ignore. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely something to that, There's definitely something to that, There's definitely something to that, man. And um you know, when it comes to man. And um you know, when it comes to man. And um you know, when it comes to this green light, I'm I'm just super this green light, I'm I'm just super this green light, I'm I'm just super curious to like curious to like curious to like is there is there any like incentive to is there is there any like incentive to is there is there any like incentive to try to figure out what it is try to figure out what it is try to figure out what it is specifically about the green light? Cuz specifically about the green light? Cuz specifically about the green light? Cuz first of all, do we do we know first of all, do we do we know first of all, do we do we know how many different causes are there for how many different causes are there for how many different causes are there for migraines or like extreme headaches? Do migraines or like extreme headaches? Do migraines or like extreme headaches? Do we know infinity? we know infinity? we know infinity? >> It could be it could be just a myriad of >> It could be it could be just a myriad of >> It could be it could be just a myriad of cascading symptoms all coming together, cascading symptoms all coming together, cascading symptoms all coming together, right? right? right? >> You know, this is one where uh talk >> You know, this is one where uh talk >> You know, this is one where uh talk about oversimplification and about oversimplification and about oversimplification and exaggeration and how that sells in exaggeration and how that sells in exaggeration and how that sells in social media. social media. social media. >> 60% of what Gary Brea says is true. The >> 60% of what Gary Brea says is true. The >> 60% of what Gary Brea says is true. The difficulty is sorting out the true difficulty is sorting out the true difficulty is sorting out the true things from the things that are things from the things that are things from the things that are oversimplified and exaggerating. So Brea
1:37oversimplified and exaggerating. So Brea oversimplified and exaggerating. So Brea will say, "Hey, I can cure migraines. will say, "Hey, I can cure migraines. will say, "Hey, I can cure migraines. You know, it's always an electrolyte You know, it's always an electrolyte You know, it's always an electrolyte deficiency. You get your electrolytes." deficiency. You get your electrolytes." deficiency. You get your electrolytes." Now, he's not wrong. Electrolytes are Now, he's not wrong. Electrolytes are Now, he's not wrong. Electrolytes are good for your body, good for your brain. good for your body, good for your brain. good for your body, good for your brain. And many people will find themselves in And many people will find themselves in And many people will find themselves in electrolytically depleted state. But electrolytically depleted state. But electrolytically depleted state. But there are more causes of migraines than there are more causes of migraines than there are more causes of migraines than just electrolyte depletion. So, if you just electrolyte depletion. So, if you just electrolyte depletion. So, if you find that you're trying electrolytes and find that you're trying electrolytes and find that you're trying electrolytes and that still isn't working for you, you that still isn't working for you, you that still isn't working for you, you might get really angry at Gary because might get really angry at Gary because might get really angry at Gary because he's oversimplified and exaggerating. he's oversimplified and exaggerating. he's oversimplified and exaggerating. >> Yeah. Well, that's the problem with >> Yeah. Well, that's the problem with >> Yeah. Well, that's the problem with social social media is that the the only social social media is that the the only social social media is that the the only way to get people's attention on there way to get people's attention on there way to get people's attention on there is to get it fast. And you're not going is to get it fast. And you're not going is to get it fast. And you're not going to do that by exposing nuance. And to do that by exposing nuance. And to do that by exposing nuance. And that's one of the things I recently had that's one of the things I recently had that's one of the things I recently had this dude Nick Norwitz and um Paul this dude Nick Norwitz and um Paul this dude Nick Norwitz and um Paul Saladino on here together debating seed Saladino on here together debating seed Saladino on here together debating seed seed oils. seed oils. seed oils. >> And uh it was a good idea. It was >> And uh it was a good idea. It was >> And uh it was a good idea. It was fascinating because uh there's a lot of fascinating because uh there's a lot of fascinating because uh there's a lot of nuance about seed oils. It's not it's nuance about seed oils. It's not it's nuance about seed oils. It's not it's not just seed oils are bad. There's a so not just seed oils are bad. There's a so not just seed oils are bad. There's a so much more especially if you go through much more especially if you go through much more especially if you go through and look at all the studies like it it and look at all the studies like it it and look at all the studies like it it is not seed oils are not all bad and
1:38is not seed oils are not all bad and is not seed oils are not all bad and it's not it's there's a lot of factors it's not it's there's a lot of factors it's not it's there's a lot of factors that go into it like are they heated um that go into it like are they heated um that go into it like are they heated um and just so many other things and like and just so many other things and like and just so many other things and like how you consume them where you get them how you consume them where you get them how you consume them where you get them from how how ultrarocessed are they what from how how ultrarocessed are they what from how how ultrarocessed are they what and not all people get bad outcomes from and not all people get bad outcomes from and not all people get bad outcomes from ingesting seed oils. It's just like ingesting seed oils. It's just like ingesting seed oils. It's just like there's ob there's obvious things where there's ob there's obvious things where there's ob there's obvious things where it is always all all bad and that's with it is always all all bad and that's with it is always all all bad and that's with like eating French fries and eating fast like eating French fries and eating fast like eating French fries and eating fast food and stuff like that. food and stuff like that. food and stuff like that. >> Um >> Um >> so you know Norwitz and Saladino they >> so you know Norwitz and Saladino they >> so you know Norwitz and Saladino they both went to medical school. They have both went to medical school. They have both went to medical school. They have medical degrees. I'm the engineer. I'm medical degrees. I'm the engineer. I'm medical degrees. I'm the engineer. I'm going to listen to the debate. going to listen to the debate. going to listen to the debate. >> Um I can guess sort of how it comes out. >> Um I can guess sort of how it comes out. >> Um I can guess sort of how it comes out. And Norwitz is really interesting And Norwitz is really interesting And Norwitz is really interesting because he will do these you know because he will do these you know because he will do these you know bombastic thumbnails and he'll say, bombastic thumbnails and he'll say, bombastic thumbnails and he'll say, "Hey, I ate Oreo cookies. Does it work "Hey, I ate Oreo cookies. Does it work "Hey, I ate Oreo cookies. Does it work better for reducing my lipids than better for reducing my lipids than better for reducing my lipids than statins? Well, statins are ridiculous statins? Well, statins are ridiculous statins? Well, statins are ridiculous poison. Uh, and but so are Oreo cookies. poison. Uh, and but so are Oreo cookies. poison. Uh, and but so are Oreo cookies. Damn it, Nick. Damn it, Nick. Damn it, Nick. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> all of that nuance and complexity is
1:39>> all of that nuance and complexity is >> all of that nuance and complexity is interesting in a scientific sense. And interesting in a scientific sense. And interesting in a scientific sense. And if you're eating like canola oil, if you're eating like canola oil, if you're eating like canola oil, hydrogenated, detoxified, hydrogenated, detoxified, hydrogenated, detoxified, aged French fry, would you just cut that aged French fry, would you just cut that aged French fry, would you just cut that stuff out? Like there are some things stuff out? Like there are some things stuff out? Like there are some things that um because our standard American that um because our standard American that um because our standard American diet is so bad that you can do diet is so bad that you can do diet is so bad that you can do immediately without trying to understand immediately without trying to understand immediately without trying to understand the difference between sunflower oil and the difference between sunflower oil and the difference between sunflower oil and peanut oil or some nonsense like this. peanut oil or some nonsense like this. peanut oil or some nonsense like this. >> It is true that we need a certain >> It is true that we need a certain >> It is true that we need a certain minimum level of omega6 minimum level of omega6 minimum level of omega6 >> uh fatty acids right we need some of >> uh fatty acids right we need some of >> uh fatty acids right we need some of that linoleic acid a little bit. Yes. that linoleic acid a little bit. Yes. that linoleic acid a little bit. Yes. But in the United States, we are so But in the United States, we are so But in the United States, we are so overdosing right on the omega-6 that we overdosing right on the omega-6 that we overdosing right on the omega-6 that we can go on social media and we can say can go on social media and we can say can go on social media and we can say cut the seed oils out of your diet. And cut the seed oils out of your diet. And cut the seed oils out of your diet. And for 99% of people eating in the United, for 99% of people eating in the United, for 99% of people eating in the United, it's really good advice. it's really good advice. it's really good advice. >> Now, Saladino and Norwitz are operating >> Now, Saladino and Norwitz are operating >> Now, Saladino and Norwitz are operating at a much more at a much more at a much more >> um complicated level where they're like
1:40>> um complicated level where they're like >> um complicated level where they're like trying to understand the science and trying to understand the science and trying to understand the science and super optimize. super optimize. super optimize. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I'm just getting the seed oils out. >> I'm just getting the seed oils out. >> I'm just getting the seed oils out. >> Yeah. I'm not super fanatic about it. >> Yeah. I'm not super fanatic about it. >> Yeah. I'm not super fanatic about it. You will burn, that is, you will You will burn, that is, you will You will burn, that is, you will metabolize some of that linoleic acid metabolize some of that linoleic acid metabolize some of that linoleic acid >> and so in the sense that those fats can >> and so in the sense that those fats can >> and so in the sense that those fats can be metabolic fuel. They're not all that be metabolic fuel. They're not all that be metabolic fuel. They're not all that damaging, but you also build your cell damaging, but you also build your cell damaging, but you also build your cell membranes out. Your cell membranes are membranes out. Your cell membranes are membranes out. Your cell membranes are made of phospholipids. So, you're going made of phospholipids. So, you're going made of phospholipids. So, you're going to grab the fats out of your diet and to grab the fats out of your diet and to grab the fats out of your diet and your body will incorporate them as your body will incorporate them as your body will incorporate them as material, not just for energy. When you material, not just for energy. When you material, not just for energy. When you build the cell and the mitochondrial build the cell and the mitochondrial build the cell and the mitochondrial membranes out of these phospholippids, membranes out of these phospholippids, membranes out of these phospholippids, they have to choose what are the fats they have to choose what are the fats they have to choose what are the fats available from your diet and they're available from your diet and they're available from your diet and they're expecting a certain mix of omega-3 omega expecting a certain mix of omega-3 omega expecting a certain mix of omega-3 omega 6, a certain mix of animal fats and some 6, a certain mix of animal fats and some 6, a certain mix of animal fats and some fats from plants. And for most people, fats from plants. And for most people, fats from plants. And for most people, that mix is way out of whack. You might that mix is way out of whack. You might that mix is way out of whack. You might think, oh, nuts are good for you. But think, oh, nuts are good for you. But think, oh, nuts are good for you. But no, nuts are not going to help your no, nuts are not going to help your no, nuts are not going to help your omega 6, omega3 balance if you don't omega 6, omega3 balance if you don't omega 6, omega3 balance if you don't have enough omega-3s.
1:41have enough omega-3s. have enough omega-3s. So your body grabs what's available, So your body grabs what's available, So your body grabs what's available, incorporates it into your cell incorporates it into your cell incorporates it into your cell membranes, and the structure of an membranes, and the structure of an membranes, and the structure of an omega-3 and omega6 free fatty acid, omega-3 and omega6 free fatty acid, omega-3 and omega6 free fatty acid, they're different, and that means your they're different, and that means your they're different, and that means your phosphoippids are different. That means phosphoippids are different. That means phosphoippids are different. That means they operate differently. That means the they operate differently. That means the they operate differently. That means the transport functions that they're transport functions that they're transport functions that they're supposed to perform can become degraded supposed to perform can become degraded supposed to perform can become degraded if they have too many of these omega6, if they have too many of these omega6, if they have too many of these omega6, in particular, linoleic acid. in particular, linoleic acid. in particular, linoleic acid. >> Yes. So, I'm not a fan of seed oils and >> Yes. So, I'm not a fan of seed oils and >> Yes. So, I'm not a fan of seed oils and I'm not trying to contradict anything I'm not trying to contradict anything I'm not trying to contradict anything that Nick is saying or actually anything that Nick is saying or actually anything that Nick is saying or actually anything that Sal and I don't want to pick a that Sal and I don't want to pick a that Sal and I don't want to pick a fight with either one of them. fight with either one of them. fight with either one of them. >> I just don't want to eat the seed oils. >> I just don't want to eat the seed oils. >> I just don't want to eat the seed oils. It will take 3 years for your body to It will take 3 years for your body to It will take 3 years for your body to exchange the fats that are built into exchange the fats that are built into exchange the fats that are built into your phospholipids and restore the your phospholipids and restore the your phospholipids and restore the proper membrane function that you are proper membrane function that you are proper membrane function that you are meant to have if you rebalance that meant to have if you rebalance that meant to have if you rebalance that omega-3 to omega6 free fatty acid ratio. omega-3 to omega6 free fatty acid ratio. omega-3 to omega6 free fatty acid ratio. It's just silly to me like how we look It's just silly to me like how we look It's just silly to me like how we look for the the number one thing that
1:42for the the number one thing that for the the number one thing that companies want to do or the government companies want to do or the government companies want to do or the government wants to do to try to signal to the wants to do to try to signal to the wants to do to try to signal to the public that we're trying to make America public that we're trying to make America public that we're trying to make America healthy again is cook our French fries healthy again is cook our French fries healthy again is cook our French fries at fast food restaurants in uh tallow at fast food restaurants in uh tallow at fast food restaurants in uh tallow and put real sugar back in Coke. There and put real sugar back in Coke. There and put real sugar back in Coke. There we go. We're doing the right thing. we go. We're doing the right thing. we go. We're doing the right thing. We're making Coke a little bit more We're making Coke a little bit more We're making Coke a little bit more natural and we're cooking your French natural and we're cooking your French natural and we're cooking your French fries from McDonald's or wherever it is fries from McDonald's or wherever it is fries from McDonald's or wherever it is in tallow. in tallow. in tallow. >> Like there's it seems like it's so dumb. >> Like there's it seems like it's so dumb. >> Like there's it seems like it's so dumb. >> What are you doing, man? Yeah. >> What are you doing, man? Yeah. >> What are you doing, man? Yeah. >> I had no idea who you were until you had >> I had no idea who you were until you had >> I had no idea who you were until you had Jack Cruz and Cali Means on the podcast Jack Cruz and Cali Means on the podcast Jack Cruz and Cali Means on the podcast at the same time. at the same time. at the same time. >> I'm sorry that you had to learn about me >> I'm sorry that you had to learn about me >> I'm sorry that you had to learn about me that way. that way. that way. >> It turned out to be wonderful. Um >> It turned out to be wonderful. Um >> It turned out to be wonderful. Um because god dang it, Jack, he has a good because god dang it, Jack, he has a good because god dang it, Jack, he has a good point. um food dyes. Did you think that point. um food dyes. Did you think that point. um food dyes. Did you think that was going to make America? You're was going to make America? You're was going to make America? You're worried about the color of your Froot worried about the color of your Froot worried about the color of your Froot Loops. It's still there's marshmallows Loops. It's still there's marshmallows Loops. It's still there's marshmallows in your cereal. You know, who cares what in your cereal. You know, who cares what in your cereal. You know, who cares what color they are? And that resonated with color they are? And that resonated with color they are? And that resonated with me cuz that's the way I was raised. Mom,
1:43me cuz that's the way I was raised. Mom, me cuz that's the way I was raised. Mom, you know, it was Lucky Charms. It was you know, it was Lucky Charms. It was you know, it was Lucky Charms. It was whatever the cheapest cereal was at the whatever the cheapest cereal was at the whatever the cheapest cereal was at the time. And she believed it was good for time. And she believed it was good for time. And she believed it was good for me and my sisters cuz it had all those me and my sisters cuz it had all those me and my sisters cuz it had all those sprayed on vitamins on it. So, sprayed on vitamins on it. So, sprayed on vitamins on it. So, >> right, it was there's a marshmallow that >> right, it was there's a marshmallow that >> right, it was there's a marshmallow that looks like a vitamin. looks like a vitamin. looks like a vitamin. >> You know why we have that nutrition >> You know why we have that nutrition >> You know why we have that nutrition label? We have the nutrition label on label? We have the nutrition label on label? We have the nutrition label on the side of the box so that General the side of the box so that General the side of the box so that General Mills and Kelloggs and whoever these Mills and Kelloggs and whoever these Mills and Kelloggs and whoever these people are can sell you sugar as if it people are can sell you sugar as if it people are can sell you sugar as if it were nutritious. So now you got cinnamon were nutritious. So now you got cinnamon were nutritious. So now you got cinnamon co toast crunch which my kids love cuz co toast crunch which my kids love cuz co toast crunch which my kids love cuz that stuff is delicious. And did you that stuff is delicious. And did you that stuff is delicious. And did you know it's made with whole wheat so it know it's made with whole wheat so it know it's made with whole wheat so it must be good for you. It's all about must be good for you. It's all about must be good for you. It's all about >> I had a bowl of frosted mini wheats the >> I had a bowl of frosted mini wheats the >> I had a bowl of frosted mini wheats the other night. It was other night. It was other night. It was >> I bet you fantastic. Oh my god, it >> I bet you fantastic. Oh my god, it >> I bet you fantastic. Oh my god, it smells so good. smells so good. smells so good. >> Yep. It's um it is killing us. And it in >> Yep. It's um it is killing us. And it in >> Yep. It's um it is killing us. And it in a way it sort of matters what color it a way it sort of matters what color it a way it sort of matters what color it is and in a way it doesn't. But here's is and in a way it doesn't. But here's is and in a way it doesn't. But here's why I'm not mad about it. Um it's why I'm not mad about it. Um it's why I'm not mad about it. Um it's cereal.
1:44cereal. cereal. It's not good. It's not good. It's not good. >> It's like like if I want to smoke a >> It's like like if I want to smoke a >> It's like like if I want to smoke a cigarette, I know I'm smoking a cigarette, I know I'm smoking a cigarette, I know I'm smoking a cigarette. Like you don't need to make cigarette. Like you don't need to make cigarette. Like you don't need to make my cigarette 2% healthier. my cigarette 2% healthier. my cigarette 2% healthier. >> I was at this science conference, like >> I was at this science conference, like >> I was at this science conference, like leading edge conference. It's called a a leading edge conference. It's called a a leading edge conference. It's called a a Gordon conference, which you're not Gordon conference, which you're not Gordon conference, which you're not supposed to quote. Um, but we have them supposed to quote. Um, but we have them supposed to quote. Um, but we have them all over the place. There's on all over the place. There's on all over the place. There's on nanotechnology and there's before the nanotechnology and there's before the nanotechnology and there's before the lockdowns and there was a poster. He was lockdowns and there was a poster. He was lockdowns and there was a poster. He was a adise of one of my colleagues at a adise of one of my colleagues at a adise of one of my colleagues at Arizona State because you know I teach Arizona State because you know I teach Arizona State because you know I teach engineering at Arizona State and I'm all engineering at Arizona State and I'm all engineering at Arizona State and I'm all about the environment, health and all about the environment, health and all about the environment, health and all that kind of stuff. And here's the that kind of stuff. And here's the that kind of stuff. And here's the poster that shows the powdered sugar on poster that shows the powdered sugar on poster that shows the powdered sugar on the doughnut has nanoructured titanium the doughnut has nanoructured titanium the doughnut has nanoructured titanium dioxide in it. Danny, did you know that? dioxide in it. Danny, did you know that? dioxide in it. Danny, did you know that? And the hidden toxicity of the And the hidden toxicity of the And the hidden toxicity of the nanoructured. And I go, "It's a powdered nanoructured. And I go, "It's a powdered nanoructured. And I go, "It's a powdered sugar donut. Did you think it was going sugar donut. Did you think it was going sugar donut. Did you think it was going to be healthy?" Like, none of my to be healthy?" Like, none of my to be healthy?" Like, none of my colleagues wanted to hear it because colleagues wanted to hear it because colleagues wanted to hear it because there was good funding available for there was good funding available for there was good funding available for nanoructured science. nanoructured science. nanoructured science. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yes, we should get those artificial food >> Yes, we should get those artificial food >> Yes, we should get those artificial food dyes out of the kids cereal and we dyes out of the kids cereal and we dyes out of the kids cereal and we should get the kids cereal out of the
1:45should get the kids cereal out of the should get the kids cereal out of the kids. Like, kids. Like, kids. Like, >> but here's why I'm not so mad about it. >> but here's why I'm not so mad about it. >> but here's why I'm not so mad about it. Um, a lot of people have been on social Um, a lot of people have been on social Um, a lot of people have been on social media and they've been sort of media and they've been sort of media and they've been sort of apologizing for the pace of change in apologizing for the pace of change in apologizing for the pace of change in HHS. They've been saying, "We know that HHS. They've been saying, "We know that HHS. They've been saying, "We know that we want to prohibit all the mRNA we want to prohibit all the mRNA we want to prohibit all the mRNA vaccines. We want to know get that off vaccines. We want to know get that off vaccines. We want to know get that off the childhood schedule." And they're the childhood schedule." And they're the childhood schedule." And they're really adamant about, and Cruz is right. really adamant about, and Cruz is right. really adamant about, and Cruz is right. You if you're injecting 25,000 kids a You if you're injecting 25,000 kids a You if you're injecting 25,000 kids a day with poison, then what are you day with poison, then what are you day with poison, then what are you worried about food dyes and and high worried about food dyes and and high worried about food dyes and and high fructose corn syrup for? fructose corn syrup for? fructose corn syrup for? >> But those are political decisions. You >> But those are political decisions. You >> But those are political decisions. You you get to do some things and you get to you get to do some things and you get to you get to do some things and you get to move, I hope, the people who are sort of move, I hope, the people who are sort of move, I hope, the people who are sort of undecided in the middle of this polit undecided in the middle of this polit undecided in the middle of this polit political spectrum more to your side by political spectrum more to your side by political spectrum more to your side by I'm hoping let's take some little wins. I'm hoping let's take some little wins. I'm hoping let's take some little wins. Of course, we should get the artificial Of course, we should get the artificial Of course, we should get the artificial food dyes out. Of course, we should food dyes out. Of course, we should food dyes out. Of course, we should reduce the amount of high fructose corn reduce the amount of high fructose corn reduce the amount of high fructose corn syrup in the uh the whole American diet.
1:46syrup in the uh the whole American diet. syrup in the uh the whole American diet. Of course, we should revise the food Of course, we should revise the food Of course, we should revise the food pyramid. These things are all still pyramid. These things are all still pyramid. These things are all still wins. The question is whether you wins. The question is whether you wins. The question is whether you believe the people who think that this believe the people who think that this believe the people who think that this is a savvy and politically practical is a savvy and politically practical is a savvy and politically practical approach that will lead to bigger approach that will lead to bigger approach that will lead to bigger victories or whether this is all just a victories or whether this is all just a victories or whether this is all just a sham like a smoke screen for a sham like a smoke screen for a sham like a smoke screen for a propaganda campaign that will leave the propaganda campaign that will leave the propaganda campaign that will leave the core of the pharmaceutical uh business core of the pharmaceutical uh business core of the pharmaceutical uh business intact. I'm voting this way. When you intact. I'm voting this way. When you intact. I'm voting this way. When you get the food dyes out, then the get the food dyes out, then the get the food dyes out, then the politicians say, "Well, how do people politicians say, "Well, how do people politicians say, "Well, how do people respond to that?" When you say, "Uh, respond to that?" When you say, "Uh, respond to that?" When you say, "Uh, well, Coke is going to switch to sugar." well, Coke is going to switch to sugar." well, Coke is going to switch to sugar." And you say, "Well, how does Pepsi And you say, "Well, how does Pepsi And you say, "Well, how does Pepsi respond?" Every single one of these respond?" Every single one of these respond?" Every single one of these little ridiculous things is, I'm hoping, little ridiculous things is, I'm hoping, little ridiculous things is, I'm hoping, a political trial balloon. When Pepsi a political trial balloon. When Pepsi a political trial balloon. When Pepsi sees that Coke has Trump tweeting about sees that Coke has Trump tweeting about sees that Coke has Trump tweeting about their product because they said, "I'm their product because they said, "I'm their product because they said, "I'm going to go sugar instead of fruit." going to go sugar instead of fruit." going to go sugar instead of fruit." Pepsi's like, "Hey, wait about us. You Pepsi's like, "Hey, wait about us. You
1:47Pepsi's like, "Hey, wait about us. You know, we do a lot of corn syrup, too. We know, we do a lot of corn syrup, too. We know, we do a lot of corn syrup, too. We want to change, too." When some senator want to change, too." When some senator want to change, too." When some senator sees that people don't want food dyes in sees that people don't want food dyes in sees that people don't want food dyes in their children's cereal, when someone their children's cereal, when someone their children's cereal, when someone else sees that people are responding else sees that people are responding else sees that people are responding politically in support of these tiny politically in support of these tiny politically in support of these tiny little victories, they're like, "Oh, little victories, they're like, "Oh, little victories, they're like, "Oh, >> yes, >> yes, >> yes, >> maybe those people have more >> maybe those people have more >> maybe those people have more credibility." I'm thinking every single credibility." I'm thinking every single credibility." I'm thinking every single one of these is a trial balloon for the one of these is a trial balloon for the one of these is a trial balloon for the politicians who run their positions on politicians who run their positions on politicians who run their positions on the basis of the polls rather than on the basis of the polls rather than on the basis of the polls rather than on the basis of science and nutrition and the basis of science and nutrition and the basis of science and nutrition and health. If we have moved the polls for health. If we have moved the polls for health. If we have moved the polls for those politicians to the point where we those politicians to the point where we those politicians to the point where we can say maybe we shouldn't be funding can say maybe we shouldn't be funding can say maybe we shouldn't be funding mRNA vaccine research, maybe we mRNA vaccine research, maybe we mRNA vaccine research, maybe we shouldn't have any of those. And Jay shouldn't have any of those. And Jay shouldn't have any of those. And Jay Bachara went online and he said mRNA Bachara went online and he said mRNA Bachara went online and he said mRNA vaccines are politically inviable. We vaccines are politically inviable. We vaccines are politically inviable. We cannot devote NIH funds to them anymore cannot devote NIH funds to them anymore cannot devote NIH funds to them anymore because nobody believes in them. He because nobody believes in them. He because nobody believes in them. He didn't say scientifically won't work. didn't say scientifically won't work. didn't say scientifically won't work. I'm kind of a Bob Malone guy. I'm like,
1:48I'm kind of a Bob Malone guy. I'm like, I'm kind of a Bob Malone guy. I'm like, stop me messing around with our stop me messing around with our stop me messing around with our messenger RNA. Yeah. But Bachara said messenger RNA. Yeah. But Bachara said messenger RNA. Yeah. But Bachara said politically, there's no point to funding politically, there's no point to funding politically, there's no point to funding this science. If you're going to win a this science. If you're going to win a this science. If you're going to win a political game, then the scientific data political game, then the scientific data political game, then the scientific data is irrelevant. Then the the tr that you is irrelevant. Then the the tr that you is irrelevant. Then the the tr that you and Jack are pointing out that I'm and Jack are pointing out that I'm and Jack are pointing out that I'm agreeing with aren't the way to win the agreeing with aren't the way to win the agreeing with aren't the way to win the game. Because here's what I've learned game. Because here's what I've learned game. Because here's what I've learned about teaching. You have to start where about teaching. You have to start where about teaching. You have to start where people are familiar. You have to start people are familiar. You have to start people are familiar. You have to start with things that they know. You have to with things that they know. You have to with things that they know. You have to start them go going, "Oh, yeah. You start them go going, "Oh, yeah. You start them go going, "Oh, yeah. You know, that makes sense." know, that makes sense." know, that makes sense." >> Jack wanted to fix he Jack wants to fix >> Jack wanted to fix he Jack wants to fix >> Jack wanted to fix he Jack wants to fix a clock with a hammer. Exactly. a clock with a hammer. Exactly. a clock with a hammer. Exactly. >> And you can't do that. You That's not >> And you can't do that. You That's not >> And you can't do that. You That's not the way it works the way it works the way it works >> because you make people feel stupid for >> because you make people feel stupid for >> because you make people feel stupid for changing their mind. If you want them to changing their mind. If you want them to changing their mind. If you want them to change your mind, you have to do it in a change your mind, you have to do it in a change your mind, you have to do it in a way that they feel smarter for having way that they feel smarter for having way that they feel smarter for having done it. done it. done it. >> Yeah. And it's ironic considering the >> Yeah. And it's ironic considering the >> Yeah. And it's ironic considering the fact that he's actually a brain surgeon, fact that he's actually a brain surgeon, fact that he's actually a brain surgeon, but but he, you know, him and him and but but he, you know, him and him and but but he, you know, him and him and Mary, you know, they they're very Mary, you know, they they're very Mary, you know, they they're very patient focused. they their history is patient focused. they their history is patient focused. they their history is actually working on people and and actually working on people and and actually working on people and and saving people's lives with their bare
1:49saving people's lives with their bare saving people's lives with their bare hands. At least Jack um for sure. So I hands. At least Jack um for sure. So I hands. At least Jack um for sure. So I can understand the sentiment there and can understand the sentiment there and can understand the sentiment there and um I can understand his attitude for um I can understand his attitude for um I can understand his attitude for sure. I can I can sympathize with that. sure. I can I can sympathize with that. sure. I can I can sympathize with that. But, you know, my whole perspective on But, you know, my whole perspective on But, you know, my whole perspective on the RFK thing and the for and even Cali the RFK thing and the for and even Cali the RFK thing and the for and even Cali means for that matter, which I agreed means for that matter, which I agreed means for that matter, which I agreed with him on, was that with him on, was that with him on, was that he can't just get go in there and get he can't just get go in there and get he can't just get go in there and get confirmed by the Congress and the Senate confirmed by the Congress and the Senate confirmed by the Congress and the Senate by saying, "I'm going to wipe out these by saying, "I'm going to wipe out these by saying, "I'm going to wipe out these and completely make wipe them off and and completely make wipe them off and and completely make wipe them off and make it so nobody can get them. I'm make it so nobody can get them. I'm make it so nobody can get them. I'm going to completely ban them cuz you're going to completely ban them cuz you're going to completely ban them cuz you're not going to get through these not going to get through these not going to get through these pharmaceutical companies. They have a pharmaceutical companies. They have a pharmaceutical companies. They have a higher GDP than most countries like and higher GDP than most countries like and higher GDP than most countries like and they're so powerful. Like that would be they're so powerful. Like that would be they're so powerful. Like that would be the equivalent of me saying I'm going to the equivalent of me saying I'm going to the equivalent of me saying I'm going to go on my podcast and I am going to talk go on my podcast and I am going to talk go on my podcast and I am going to talk out and expose all the evils of these out and expose all the evils of these out and expose all the evils of these mRNAs and and talk about how all these mRNAs and and talk about how all these mRNAs and and talk about how all these vac these pharmaceutical companies are vac these pharmaceutical companies are vac these pharmaceutical companies are evil and guess what's going to happen? evil and guess what's going to happen? evil and guess what's going to happen? My channel's going to get deleted off
1:50My channel's going to get deleted off My channel's going to get deleted off YouTube and then what? Then I can do YouTube and then what? Then I can do YouTube and then what? Then I can do nothing, right? nothing, right? nothing, right? >> I'm back to square one. So that's not >> I'm back to square one. So that's not >> I'm back to square one. So that's not the way you're going to get it done in the way you're going to get it done in the way you're going to get it done in Washington either. You have to be able Washington either. You have to be able Washington either. You have to be able to get your foot in the door and then to get your foot in the door and then to get your foot in the door and then try to slowly and incrementally make try to slowly and incrementally make try to slowly and incrementally make change and make change that's going to change and make change that's going to change and make change that's going to last. And then now it seems like that's last. And then now it seems like that's last. And then now it seems like that's what he's doing with these recent this what he's doing with these recent this what he's doing with these recent this recent hearing that just happened and recent hearing that just happened and recent hearing that just happened and now what he's actually saying. It seems now what he's actually saying. It seems now what he's actually saying. It seems like he's actually taking a hard turn like he's actually taking a hard turn like he's actually taking a hard turn now. now. now. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> There's um Kennedy's such an interesting >> There's um Kennedy's such an interesting >> There's um Kennedy's such an interesting guy. Uh I don't know him. I've never guy. Uh I don't know him. I've never guy. Uh I don't know him. I've never talked to him. Never met him. But could talked to him. Never met him. But could talked to him. Never met him. But could you imagine a family in which to grow up you imagine a family in which to grow up you imagine a family in which to grow up in that would could any other experience in that would could any other experience in that would could any other experience you have better prepare you for dealing you have better prepare you for dealing you have better prepare you for dealing with with with narcissists personality disorders uh narcissists personality disorders uh narcissists personality disorders uh incredibly strong vocal personalities in incredibly strong vocal personalities in incredibly strong vocal personalities in Washington DC political backstabbing Washington DC political backstabbing Washington DC political backstabbing like his whole family has been on the like his whole family has been on the like his whole family has been on the inside of Washington both um on the the
1:51inside of Washington both um on the the inside of Washington both um on the the power broking end of it. I mean, his power broking end of it. I mean, his power broking end of it. I mean, his uncle Ted was like an extraordinarily uncle Ted was like an extraordinarily uncle Ted was like an extraordinarily powerful senator for a long time, has powerful senator for a long time, has powerful senator for a long time, has been steeped in controversy. I can't been steeped in controversy. I can't been steeped in controversy. I can't imagine an upbringing that would better imagine an upbringing that would better imagine an upbringing that would better prepare someone to navigate all the prepare someone to navigate all the prepare someone to navigate all the weirdo personalities. You got Bernie weirdo personalities. You got Bernie weirdo personalities. You got Bernie Sanders who will both stab you in the Sanders who will both stab you in the Sanders who will both stab you in the back and then say that he's your best back and then say that he's your best back and then say that he's your best friend or something. I don't know Bernie friend or something. I don't know Bernie friend or something. I don't know Bernie personally either, but he said some personally either, but he said some personally either, but he said some bizarre things. bizarre things. bizarre things. probably Kennedy can take a lot more of probably Kennedy can take a lot more of probably Kennedy can take a lot more of that abuse than I ever would be able to. that abuse than I ever would be able to. that abuse than I ever would be able to. And I don't I'm not a psychologist, but And I don't I'm not a psychologist, but And I don't I'm not a psychologist, but I'm attributing it to his unique I'm attributing it to his unique I'm attributing it to his unique upbringing. There's nobody else that I upbringing. There's nobody else that I upbringing. There's nobody else that I would rather have in his position at the would rather have in his position at the would rather have in his position at the HHS than Kennedy. He strikes me as HHS than Kennedy. He strikes me as HHS than Kennedy. He strikes me as courageous and honest courageous and honest courageous and honest >> and not so ideologically >> and not so ideologically >> and not so ideologically minded that he is unwilling to make minded that he is unwilling to make minded that he is unwilling to make practical compromises with the world to practical compromises with the world to practical compromises with the world to get what he really wants.
1:52get what he really wants. get what he really wants. >> Did you see that video that Trump posted >> Did you see that video that Trump posted >> Did you see that video that Trump posted on his thing the other day about thyol? on his thing the other day about thyol? on his thing the other day about thyol? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that was crazy. I think I don't know how >> that was crazy. I think I don't know how >> that was crazy. I think I don't know how recent that video was shot though. like recent that video was shot though. like recent that video was shot though. like that seemed like a a relatively modern that seemed like a a relatively modern that seemed like a a relatively modern video, at least like in at least in like video, at least like in at least in like video, at least like in at least in like the 2000s. What I saw was Kennedy the 2000s. What I saw was Kennedy the 2000s. What I saw was Kennedy testifying in front of the Senate and he testifying in front of the Senate and he testifying in front of the Senate and he uh acknowledged that this was all uh acknowledged that this was all uh acknowledged that this was all theater. This was all just made for, you theater. This was all just made for, you theater. This was all just made for, you know, Hollywood and social media. And know, Hollywood and social media. And know, Hollywood and social media. And Elizabeth Warren said, "Are you saying Elizabeth Warren said, "Are you saying Elizabeth Warren said, "Are you saying she's lying?" And Kennedy said, she's lying?" And Kennedy said, she's lying?" And Kennedy said, >> who is he? Who is she talking about? Who >> who is he? Who is she talking about? Who >> who is he? Who is she talking about? Who >> she was talking about? The former >> she was talking about? The former >> she was talking about? The former director of the CDC who I don't think director of the CDC who I don't think director of the CDC who I don't think she lasted even four months. Kennedy was she lasted even four months. Kennedy was she lasted even four months. Kennedy was giving directions as her boss, as the giving directions as her boss, as the giving directions as her boss, as the Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Health and Human Services, and she wasn't carrying out those and she wasn't carrying out those and she wasn't carrying out those directions. This is a very frustrating directions. This is a very frustrating directions. This is a very frustrating environment for for someone in an environment for for someone in an environment for for someone in an executive position to be in where executive position to be in where executive position to be in where they're being lied to by their they're being lied to by their they're being lied to by their subordinates who will fail to follow subordinates who will fail to follow subordinates who will fail to follow through on the vision that they're through on the vision that they're through on the vision that they're trying to create. So, he had just fired
1:53trying to create. So, he had just fired trying to create. So, he had just fired five people from the CDC and it was one five people from the CDC and it was one five people from the CDC and it was one of the focal points of his recent Senate of the focal points of his recent Senate of the focal points of his recent Senate testimony. When Elizabeth Warren asked testimony. When Elizabeth Warren asked testimony. When Elizabeth Warren asked if that woman was a liar, Kennedy said if that woman was a liar, Kennedy said if that woman was a liar, Kennedy said yes. And that's what I love about yes. And that's what I love about yes. And that's what I love about Kennedy. The Kennedy. The Kennedy. The >> idea that him being inside Washington >> idea that him being inside Washington >> idea that him being inside Washington actually muzzles him is very actually muzzles him is very actually muzzles him is very discouraging to me. Once you accept an discouraging to me. Once you accept an discouraging to me. Once you accept an appointment in Washington DC, there are appointment in Washington DC, there are appointment in Washington DC, there are things you're not allowed to say. There things you're not allowed to say. There things you're not allowed to say. There are things you're not allowed to tweet. are things you're not allowed to tweet. are things you're not allowed to tweet. There are opinions you're not allowed to There are opinions you're not allowed to There are opinions you're not allowed to express. When Kennedy was outside the express. When Kennedy was outside the express. When Kennedy was outside the system, he could say whatever the hell system, he could say whatever the hell system, he could say whatever the hell he wanted. He could go on the Joe Rogan he wanted. He could go on the Joe Rogan he wanted. He could go on the Joe Rogan show and he could say, "The CIA killed show and he could say, "The CIA killed show and he could say, "The CIA killed my father." And then he could say, "This my father." And then he could say, "This my father." And then he could say, "This is why I say that." You know, once you is why I say that." You know, once you is why I say that." You know, once you get inside, you now become part of a get inside, you now become part of a get inside, you now become part of a machinery that dictates to you how you machinery that dictates to you how you machinery that dictates to you how you are allowed to express yourself. are allowed to express yourself. are allowed to express yourself. since Kennedy um since Kennedy um since Kennedy um since Kennedy fired I'm trying to
1:54since Kennedy fired I'm trying to since Kennedy fired I'm trying to remember who it was and it it escapes me remember who it was and it it escapes me remember who it was and it it escapes me but since he took control of his own but since he took control of his own but since he took control of his own Twitter account like there was Kennedy Twitter account like there was Kennedy Twitter account like there was Kennedy in person and then there was Secretary in person and then there was Secretary in person and then there was Secretary Kennedy on Twitter and it didn't seem Kennedy on Twitter and it didn't seem Kennedy on Twitter and it didn't seem like they're the same person. He fired like they're the same person. He fired like they're the same person. He fired some people some people some people >> and now Kennedy's voice is on Twitter. >> and now Kennedy's voice is on Twitter. >> and now Kennedy's voice is on Twitter. It's in his Senate testimony. It's in It's in his Senate testimony. It's in It's in his Senate testimony. It's in social media where we can hear it again. social media where we can hear it again. social media where we can hear it again. The idea of Kennedy being able to speak The idea of Kennedy being able to speak The idea of Kennedy being able to speak with the same freedom he has when he was with the same freedom he has when he was with the same freedom he has when he was an outsider and do it from the inside is an outsider and do it from the inside is an outsider and do it from the inside is very encouraging to me. He's probably very encouraging to me. He's probably very encouraging to me. He's probably smarter about it than anybody else I smarter about it than anybody else I smarter about it than anybody else I could name. But that's politics is not could name. But that's politics is not could name. But that's politics is not my area of expertise. I'm hoping that I my area of expertise. I'm hoping that I my area of expertise. I'm hoping that I can create the machines that allow can create the machines that allow can create the machines that allow people to take charge of their health. people to take charge of their health. people to take charge of their health. Whoever's in the White House, whoever's Whoever's in the White House, whoever's Whoever's in the White House, whoever's at the HHS, we got a friend of mine, Jay at the HHS, we got a friend of mine, Jay at the HHS, we got a friend of mine, Jay Barachara. He's now the director of the Barachara. He's now the director of the Barachara. He's now the director of the NIH. The NIH funds more research than NIH. The NIH funds more research than NIH. The NIH funds more research than any other single federal government any other single federal government any other single federal government agency. So you got the DoD, you got the agency. So you got the DoD, you got the agency. So you got the DoD, you got the NIH, and then NSF is way below them. So
1:55NIH, and then NSF is way below them. So NIH, and then NSF is way below them. So Jay is in a position where he can direct Jay is in a position where he can direct Jay is in a position where he can direct the allocation of resources at the NIH. the allocation of resources at the NIH. the allocation of resources at the NIH. But he isn't really like there's only so But he isn't really like there's only so But he isn't really like there's only so much that an executive can do. Well, much that an executive can do. Well, much that an executive can do. Well, Jay's been at Stanford his entire life. Jay's been at Stanford his entire life. Jay's been at Stanford his entire life. He's been an academic. So he's an He's been an academic. So he's an He's been an academic. So he's an academic insider. To put him in academic insider. To put him in academic insider. To put him in Washington, you know, God bless him. I Washington, you know, God bless him. I Washington, you know, God bless him. I wouldn't be able to to do that job at wouldn't be able to to do that job at wouldn't be able to to do that job at all because all because all because >> the set of requirements for someone on >> the set of requirements for someone on >> the set of requirements for someone on the inside is a different set of the inside is a different set of the inside is a different set of requirements than what will make them requirements than what will make them requirements than what will make them successful on the outside and they have successful on the outside and they have successful on the outside and they have to be learned. So, I'm one of these to be learned. So, I'm one of these to be learned. So, I'm one of these people who even though I acknowledge the people who even though I acknowledge the people who even though I acknowledge the truth and everything Jack says and I truth and everything Jack says and I truth and everything Jack says and I appreciate the way that he's revealing appreciate the way that he's revealing appreciate the way that he's revealing the truth to me like on your podcast, the truth to me like on your podcast, the truth to me like on your podcast, I'm one of these people that says I I'm one of these people that says I I'm one of these people that says I don't get Washington like that's not my don't get Washington like that's not my don't get Washington like that's not my area of expertise. And if I were when I area of expertise. And if I were when I area of expertise. And if I were when I try and empathize, I would have a try and empathize, I would have a try and empathize, I would have a multi-year learning curve before I multi-year learning curve before I multi-year learning curve before I really understood how it even worked. So
1:56really understood how it even worked. So really understood how it even worked. So I got patience with the people that I I got patience with the people that I I got patience with the people that I know who are doing the job that I'm know who are doing the job that I'm know who are doing the job that I'm incapable of doing. My job is to make it incapable of doing. My job is to make it incapable of doing. My job is to make it so you don't care whether the NIH funds so you don't care whether the NIH funds so you don't care whether the NIH funds something that winds up useful to you something that winds up useful to you something that winds up useful to you six or seven years from now when those six or seven years from now when those six or seven years from now when those studies, you know, come to fruition. I studies, you know, come to fruition. I studies, you know, come to fruition. I want you to take charge of your health want you to take charge of your health want you to take charge of your health with the machines that I'm building for with the machines that I'm building for with the machines that I'm building for you that bring you closer to nature. you that bring you closer to nature. you that bring you closer to nature. that even though technology is making us that even though technology is making us that even though technology is making us sick, I can build the technologies that sick, I can build the technologies that sick, I can build the technologies that will repair some of the deficiencies in will repair some of the deficiencies in will repair some of the deficiencies in our technological environment. Now, who our technological environment. Now, who our technological environment. Now, who cares who's president? Who cares who's cares who's president? Who cares who's cares who's president? Who cares who's HHS? Who cares who's running the FDA or HHS? Who cares who's running the FDA or HHS? Who cares who's running the FDA or who's running the NIH because you know who's running the NIH because you know who's running the NIH because you know what to do to take care of yourself. what to do to take care of yourself. what to do to take care of yourself. >> The thing for me, >> The thing for me, >> The thing for me, >> you know, Jack says maha is haha and >> you know, Jack says maha is haha and >> you know, Jack says maha is haha and he's ridiculed. he's ridiculed. he's ridiculed. >> Is that what he says? I Is that new? I >> Is that what he says? I Is that new? I >> Is that what he says? I Is that new? I haven't seen that. haven't seen that. haven't seen that. >> He's good with the rhymes. um because he
1:57>> He's good with the rhymes. um because he >> He's good with the rhymes. um because he resents something about it. And I'm not resents something about it. And I'm not resents something about it. And I'm not blaming him. I He's the last guy I want blaming him. I He's the last guy I want blaming him. I He's the last guy I want to pick a fight with. But I don't think to pick a fight with. But I don't think to pick a fight with. But I don't think of it that way. The only way that we of it that way. The only way that we of it that way. The only way that we make America healthy again is when make America healthy again is when make America healthy again is when Americans decide to make themselves Americans decide to make themselves Americans decide to make themselves healthy again. Regardless of like what healthy again. Regardless of like what healthy again. Regardless of like what color the mushrooms or or sorry, the color the mushrooms or or sorry, the color the mushrooms or or sorry, the marshmallows in your cereal are. When marshmallows in your cereal are. When marshmallows in your cereal are. When Americans say, "I'd rather eat eggs. I'd Americans say, "I'd rather eat eggs. I'd Americans say, "I'd rather eat eggs. I'd rather have an omelette than Lucky rather have an omelette than Lucky rather have an omelette than Lucky Charms for breakfast." That's when Charms for breakfast." That's when Charms for breakfast." That's when America is going to get healthy again. America is going to get healthy again. America is going to get healthy again. When America says, um, I'm going to fix When America says, um, I'm going to fix When America says, um, I'm going to fix my light environment. Then America will my light environment. Then America will my light environment. Then America will start to get healthy again. When America start to get healthy again. When America start to get healthy again. When America says, "I didn't realize I was supposed says, "I didn't realize I was supposed says, "I didn't realize I was supposed to get a little bit of cold into my to get a little bit of cold into my to get a little bit of cold into my life. I didn't realize brown fat was an life. I didn't realize brown fat was an life. I didn't realize brown fat was an essential secretatory organ. Then I saw essential secretatory organ. Then I saw essential secretatory organ. Then I saw this crazy Professor Seager talking to this crazy Professor Seager talking to this crazy Professor Seager talking to Danny Jones, and I thought, all right, Danny Jones, and I thought, all right, Danny Jones, and I thought, all right, maybe I'll try a tap water bath. Maybe maybe I'll try a tap water bath. Maybe maybe I'll try a tap water bath. Maybe I'll try a cold shower. See how that I'll try a cold shower. See how that I'll try a cold shower. See how that works for me." That's when America gets works for me." That's when America gets works for me." That's when America gets healthy again. healthy again. healthy again. >> Yeah. Well, it's I mean it's it's >> Yeah. Well, it's I mean it's it's >> Yeah. Well, it's I mean it's it's obviously people who have the time and obviously people who have the time and obviously people who have the time and the luxury to pay attention to this kind the luxury to pay attention to this kind the luxury to pay attention to this kind of stuff and read books and listen to
1:58of stuff and read books and listen to of stuff and read books and listen to podcasts and they have a a a decent podcasts and they have a a a decent podcasts and they have a a a decent income. they are able to make themselves income. they are able to make themselves income. they are able to make themselves healthier. Are they're able to figure healthier. Are they're able to figure healthier. Are they're able to figure out how to if they can't afford to buy out how to if they can't afford to buy out how to if they can't afford to buy one at least build their own cold tub or one at least build their own cold tub or one at least build their own cold tub or you buy go buy ice and throw it in their you buy go buy ice and throw it in their you buy go buy ice and throw it in their bathtub and like figure out you know bathtub and like figure out you know bathtub and like figure out you know these things about diet and cholesterol these things about diet and cholesterol these things about diet and cholesterol and circadian rhythm and you know cost and circadian rhythm and you know cost and circadian rhythm and you know cost no money to watch the sunrise. no money to watch the sunrise. no money to watch the sunrise. >> Exactly. Right. Um, but the problem is >> Exactly. Right. Um, but the problem is >> Exactly. Right. Um, but the problem is like the people who don't have the time like the people who don't have the time like the people who don't have the time to pay attention to any of this stuff, to pay attention to any of this stuff, to pay attention to any of this stuff, who literally get all of their who literally get all of their who literally get all of their information from the mainstream news or information from the mainstream news or information from the mainstream news or their co-workers at work because all their co-workers at work because all their co-workers at work because all they can afford to do is wake up, go to they can afford to do is wake up, go to they can afford to do is wake up, go to work, come home, make dinner, feed the work, come home, make dinner, feed the work, come home, make dinner, feed the kids, and that's it. And those are the kids, and that's it. And those are the kids, and that's it. And those are the people that are the most unhealthy. The people that are the most unhealthy. The people that are the most unhealthy. The mo the fattest, most obese people in the mo the fattest, most obese people in the mo the fattest, most obese people in the country are the poorest. country are the poorest. country are the poorest. >> Yep. So, you know, that's one of the >> Yep. So, you know, that's one of the >> Yep. So, you know, that's one of the problems is like how do you you know, problems is like how do you you know, problems is like how do you you know, you can talk about things and and you can talk about things and and you can talk about things and and explain and teach people on the internet
1:59explain and teach people on the internet explain and teach people on the internet until the cows come home, but you're not until the cows come home, but you're not until the cows come home, but you're not going to affect that that segment of going to affect that that segment of going to affect that that segment of people, the low lowincome people who are people, the low lowincome people who are people, the low lowincome people who are the majority of the country. the majority of the country. the majority of the country. >> You can reach those people. Um, and here >> You can reach those people. Um, and here >> You can reach those people. Um, and here policy is important. Even though I was policy is important. Even though I was policy is important. Even though I was saying, you know, make yourself healthy saying, you know, make yourself healthy saying, you know, make yourself healthy again and I stand by that. You make a again and I stand by that. You make a again and I stand by that. You make a really good point because not everybody, really good point because not everybody, really good point because not everybody, you know, has a PhD or has the all day you know, has a PhD or has the all day you know, has a PhD or has the all day to go to the library uh or listen to to go to the library uh or listen to to go to the library uh or listen to Humeman or Seager or whatever. Policy Humeman or Seager or whatever. Policy Humeman or Seager or whatever. Policy can reach those people. Right now, we can reach those people. Right now, we can reach those people. Right now, we subsidize the sugar industry. Most sugar subsidize the sugar industry. Most sugar subsidize the sugar industry. Most sugar farmers are in Florida. We also sugar uh farmers are in Florida. We also sugar uh farmers are in Florida. We also sugar uh subsidize the sugar beat industry, which subsidize the sugar beat industry, which subsidize the sugar beat industry, which should be in Minnesota. The reason we do should be in Minnesota. The reason we do should be in Minnesota. The reason we do it is because we're so damn mad at Cuba. it is because we're so damn mad at Cuba. it is because we're so damn mad at Cuba. Sugar is really cheap to grow in Cuba. Sugar is really cheap to grow in Cuba. Sugar is really cheap to grow in Cuba. Yes. But look, we had a whole Cuban Yes. But look, we had a whole Cuban Yes. But look, we had a whole Cuban missile crisis and Soviet Cold War and missile crisis and Soviet Cold War and missile crisis and Soviet Cold War and so we prohibited sugar imports from Cuba so we prohibited sugar imports from Cuba so we prohibited sugar imports from Cuba and instead said we're going to have our and instead said we're going to have our and instead said we're going to have our own domestic sugar industry. We're going
2:00own domestic sugar industry. We're going own domestic sugar industry. We're going to pay Flidians so much money to grow to pay Flidians so much money to grow to pay Flidians so much money to grow sugar. Look, we'd be better off just sugar. Look, we'd be better off just sugar. Look, we'd be better off just paying them as if they won the lottery paying them as if they won the lottery paying them as if they won the lottery and say, "Never grow sugar again, and say, "Never grow sugar again, and say, "Never grow sugar again, please." Because the state of sugar please." Because the state of sugar please." Because the state of sugar subsidies in the United States is subsidies in the United States is subsidies in the United States is ridiculous. And it's crazy. It's nuts. ridiculous. And it's crazy. It's nuts. ridiculous. And it's crazy. It's nuts. >> And it also pollutes. It causes It's one >> And it also pollutes. It causes It's one >> And it also pollutes. It causes It's one of the big causes of red tide. of the big causes of red tide. of the big causes of red tide. >> It's terrible because all of the >> It's terrible because all of the >> It's terrible because all of the fertilizer, the nitrogen, phosphorus fertilizer, the nitrogen, phosphorus fertilizer, the nitrogen, phosphorus required, it leeches off into the required, it leeches off into the required, it leeches off into the groundwater and it creates these algaal groundwater and it creates these algaal groundwater and it creates these algaal blooms. Algae blooms. Exactly. Right. blooms. Algae blooms. Exactly. Right. blooms. Algae blooms. Exactly. Right. >> It's insane. >> It's insane. >> It's insane. >> So, I wish we would cut that out. The >> So, I wish we would cut that out. The >> So, I wish we would cut that out. The Midwest is just as bad. It wasn't enough Midwest is just as bad. It wasn't enough Midwest is just as bad. It wasn't enough to subsidize the sugar farmers in to subsidize the sugar farmers in to subsidize the sugar farmers in Florida. Now, we subsidize the corn Florida. Now, we subsidize the corn Florida. Now, we subsidize the corn farmers in the Midwest. And that corn farmers in the Midwest. And that corn farmers in the Midwest. And that corn doesn't even feed people. Most of it doesn't even feed people. Most of it doesn't even feed people. Most of it doesn't even feed cows. After Katrina, doesn't even feed cows. After Katrina, doesn't even feed cows. After Katrina, the capacity to export corn through the the capacity to export corn through the the capacity to export corn through the port of New Orleans was devastated by port of New Orleans was devastated by port of New Orleans was devastated by the damage to the infrastructure. the damage to the infrastructure. the damage to the infrastructure. >> So corn prices went way down inside the >> So corn prices went way down inside the >> So corn prices went way down inside the Midwest because we couldn't sell them Midwest because we couldn't sell them Midwest because we couldn't sell them internationally. And a weird thing internationally. And a weird thing internationally. And a weird thing happened. The refineries during Katrina
2:01happened. The refineries during Katrina happened. The refineries during Katrina that had been damaged, they couldn't that had been damaged, they couldn't that had been damaged, they couldn't make gasoline. So the spread between the make gasoline. So the spread between the make gasoline. So the spread between the cost of producing ethanol and what you cost of producing ethanol and what you cost of producing ethanol and what you could sell it for at the pump expanded could sell it for at the pump expanded could sell it for at the pump expanded and expanded during the Bush and expanded during the Bush and expanded during the Bush administration. The banks looked at this administration. The banks looked at this administration. The banks looked at this spread and they said, "Oh my gosh, this spread and they said, "Oh my gosh, this spread and they said, "Oh my gosh, this is amazing." Bush passed some new is amazing." Bush passed some new is amazing." Bush passed some new legislation that said, "We need more legislation that said, "We need more legislation that said, "We need more corn ethanol plants. The state of Iowa corn ethanol plants. The state of Iowa corn ethanol plants. The state of Iowa temporarily became a corn importing temporarily became a corn importing temporarily became a corn importing site, which makes no sense." They filmed site, which makes no sense." They filmed site, which makes no sense." They filmed Field of Dreams, you know, in a corn Field of Dreams, you know, in a corn Field of Dreams, you know, in a corn field in Iowa. All of Iowa's covered field in Iowa. All of Iowa's covered field in Iowa. All of Iowa's covered with corn, but because so much of it was with corn, but because so much of it was with corn, but because so much of it was going to produce high fructose corn going to produce high fructose corn going to produce high fructose corn syrup or being fermented into ethanol, syrup or being fermented into ethanol, syrup or being fermented into ethanol, the Iowa became corn importing to fuel the Iowa became corn importing to fuel the Iowa became corn importing to fuel the new ethanol production plants that the new ethanol production plants that the new ethanol production plants that have been built in Iowa. So both the have been built in Iowa. So both the have been built in Iowa. So both the corn syrup and the ethanol production corn syrup and the ethanol production corn syrup and the ethanol production industry is a subsidized sick making industry is a subsidized sick making industry is a subsidized sick making [ __ ] policy. We could reach the [ __ ] policy. We could reach the [ __ ] policy. We could reach the poorer people if we stop subsidizing
2:02poorer people if we stop subsidizing poorer people if we stop subsidizing sugar, corn syrup, and other highly sugar, corn syrup, and other highly sugar, corn syrup, and other highly processed foods. processed foods. processed foods. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And gosh damn it, making them so cheap. >> And gosh damn it, making them so cheap. >> And gosh damn it, making them so cheap. Then these people wouldn't be attracted Then these people wouldn't be attracted Then these people wouldn't be attracted to getting the subsidized food that to getting the subsidized food that to getting the subsidized food that they're getting from the quickie mart or they're getting from the quickie mart or they're getting from the quickie mart or whatever because it has a shelf life of whatever because it has a shelf life of whatever because it has a shelf life of infinity. That's partly why it's so infinity. That's partly why it's so infinity. That's partly why it's so cheap. Well, what would we do instead? cheap. Well, what would we do instead? cheap. Well, what would we do instead? We would subsidize eggs. We would We would subsidize eggs. We would We would subsidize eggs. We would subsidize beef. We would we used to give subsidize beef. We would we used to give subsidize beef. We would we used to give away free cheese. away free cheese. away free cheese. >> My kids cuz I was a graduate student. My >> My kids cuz I was a graduate student. My >> My kids cuz I was a graduate student. My kids were on the wick program. So that's kids were on the wick program. So that's kids were on the wick program. So that's women, infant, and children. And I got a women, infant, and children. And I got a women, infant, and children. And I got a good look at the free things that you good look at the free things that you good look at the free things that you could get from the government. Cheerios, could get from the government. Cheerios, could get from the government. Cheerios, peanut butter, dry lentil beans, and peanut butter, dry lentil beans, and peanut butter, dry lentil beans, and some cheese. I guess that's not the some cheese. I guess that's not the some cheese. I guess that's not the worst thing in the world. We never ate worst thing in the world. We never ate worst thing in the world. We never ate the damn beans, but they're they're the damn beans, but they're they're the damn beans, but they're they're laborious to cook and nobody wanted them laborious to cook and nobody wanted them laborious to cook and nobody wanted them and they're turns out that they're not and they're turns out that they're not and they're turns out that they're not good for you. But peanut butter,
2:03good for you. But peanut butter, good for you. But peanut butter, Cheerios, cheese, they don't seem like Cheerios, cheese, they don't seem like Cheerios, cheese, they don't seem like the worst things in the world. the worst things in the world. the worst things in the world. Meanwhile, we have this big debate about Meanwhile, we have this big debate about Meanwhile, we have this big debate about whether SNAP should allow people to buy whether SNAP should allow people to buy whether SNAP should allow people to buy soda pop. It's ridiculous. We can change soda pop. It's ridiculous. We can change soda pop. It's ridiculous. We can change what happens at the poorest segments of what happens at the poorest segments of what happens at the poorest segments of society if we change the economics society if we change the economics society if we change the economics incentives and decide to subsidize some incentives and decide to subsidize some incentives and decide to subsidize some things which we have programs available things which we have programs available things which we have programs available for and decide that we don't want to for and decide that we don't want to for and decide that we don't want to subsidize other things. Also, isn't subsidize other things. Also, isn't subsidize other things. Also, isn't there a big lobby uh where there a big lobby uh where there a big lobby uh where companies like Pepperage Farms and these companies like Pepperage Farms and these companies like Pepperage Farms and these companies that make like, you know, the companies that make like, you know, the companies that make like, you know, the worst possible snacks and cereals and worst possible snacks and cereals and worst possible snacks and cereals and stuff like this and like donuts and stuff like this and like donuts and stuff like this and like donuts and stuff are can be purchased on food stuff are can be purchased on food stuff are can be purchased on food stamps. So, people that are on food stamps. So, people that are on food stamps. So, people that are on food stamps, they they lobby these uh I stamps, they they lobby these uh I stamps, they they lobby these uh I forget the name of the organizations forget the name of the organizations forget the name of the organizations that are in charge of the food stamps or that are in charge of the food stamps or that are in charge of the food stamps or whatever, but they they're basically whatever, but they they're basically whatever, but they they're basically lobbying to get their food items lobbying to get their food items lobbying to get their food items included in the food stamps when they're included in the food stamps when they're included in the food stamps when they're the most unhealthy food items ever. the most unhealthy food items ever. the most unhealthy food items ever. >> I've never been on food stamps. U never
2:04>> I've never been on food stamps. U never >> I've never been on food stamps. U never used SNAP. My only experience is through used SNAP. My only experience is through used SNAP. My only experience is through the women infant children's program. So, the women infant children's program. So, the women infant children's program. So, the Wick program and my impression was the Wick program and my impression was the Wick program and my impression was the WIC program was halfway decent and the WIC program was halfway decent and the WIC program was halfway decent and it could be better. Like the the foods it could be better. Like the the foods it could be better. Like the the foods in there could be even healthier. But in there could be even healthier. But in there could be even healthier. But what you've said is something that I've what you've said is something that I've what you've said is something that I've heard from other people. What we choose heard from other people. What we choose heard from other people. What we choose to feed the poorest people in our to feed the poorest people in our to feed the poorest people in our society is criminal. That includes the society is criminal. That includes the society is criminal. That includes the school lunch program. Yes. school lunch program. Yes. school lunch program. Yes. >> Where, >> Where, >> Where, you know, some people have claimed that you know, some people have claimed that you know, some people have claimed that prisoners eat better than our kids in prisoners eat better than our kids in prisoners eat better than our kids in the schools do. Now, I don't know if the schools do. Now, I don't know if the schools do. Now, I don't know if that's true, that's true, that's true, >> but I never ate the dang school lunch. >> but I never ate the dang school lunch. >> but I never ate the dang school lunch. And now I'm glad that I did. Yeah. And now I'm glad that I did. Yeah. And now I'm glad that I did. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because what's on there? >> Yeah. Because what's on there? >> Yeah. Because what's on there? >> The American Beverage Association >> The American Beverage Association >> The American Beverage Association lobbies for Coca-Cola, Peps, and Pepsi lobbies for Coca-Cola, Peps, and Pepsi lobbies for Coca-Cola, Peps, and Pepsi and other non-alcoholic drink makers uh and other non-alcoholic drink makers uh and other non-alcoholic drink makers uh and spent 1.7 million in the first half and spent 1.7 million in the first half and spent 1.7 million in the first half of 2025, more than double its outlay of 2025, more than double its outlay of 2025, more than double its outlay during the same period last year. That during the same period last year. That during the same period last year. That figure surpasses the group's annual figure surpasses the group's annual figure surpasses the group's annual lobbying in total. But one uh in all but
2:05lobbying in total. But one uh in all but lobbying in total. But one uh in all but one year since 2010, a Bloomberg one year since 2010, a Bloomberg one year since 2010, a Bloomberg government analysis of the latest government analysis of the latest government analysis of the latest federal lobbying disclosure shows what federal lobbying disclosure shows what federal lobbying disclosure shows what um it's to include it into the SNAP. um it's to include it into the SNAP. um it's to include it into the SNAP. >> Oh, that's the SNAP. Yeah. What does >> Oh, that's the SNAP. Yeah. What does >> Oh, that's the SNAP. Yeah. What does SNAP stand for? SNAP stand for? SNAP stand for? >> Supplemental nutrition assistance >> Supplemental nutrition assistance >> Supplemental nutrition assistance program. It doesn't say supplemental program. It doesn't say supplemental program. It doesn't say supplemental empty calorie program. It's supposed to empty calorie program. It's supposed to empty calorie program. It's supposed to be about nutrition and there's no be about nutrition and there's no be about nutrition and there's no nutritional standards in that program. nutritional standards in that program. nutritional standards in that program. No wonder America's sick, No wonder America's sick, No wonder America's sick, >> right? And another crazy thing is um all >> right? And another crazy thing is um all >> right? And another crazy thing is um all of the the baby formulas in the US, it's of the the baby formulas in the US, it's of the the baby formulas in the US, it's impossible to find them that don't have impossible to find them that don't have impossible to find them that don't have seed oils in them. So like my that we seed oils in them. So like my that we seed oils in them. So like my that we with our first kid, we were looking to with our first kid, we were looking to with our first kid, we were looking to buy baby formula and my wife had to buy baby formula and my wife had to buy baby formula and my wife had to order the baby formula from Germany order the baby formula from Germany order the baby formula from Germany because there's they the same company, because there's they the same company, because there's they the same company, same exact logo, everything just you same exact logo, everything just you same exact logo, everything just you cannot buy it in the US without the seed cannot buy it in the US without the seed cannot buy it in the US without the seed oils in it. When my children were oils in it. When my children were oils in it. When my children were little, um, you know, we wanted formula. little, um, you know, we wanted formula. little, um, you know, we wanted formula. I wanted to be able to feed my kids. Uh,
2:06I wanted to be able to feed my kids. Uh, I wanted to be able to feed my kids. Uh, for me, the breastfeeding was their for me, the breastfeeding was their for me, the breastfeeding was their principal source of nutrition. Um, but principal source of nutrition. Um, but principal source of nutrition. Um, but we had the formula as a backup and for we had the formula as a backup and for we had the formula as a backup and for whenever I was watching the kids. When whenever I was watching the kids. When whenever I was watching the kids. When it came time for they were starting to it came time for they were starting to it came time for they were starting to grow teeth and we're going to give them grow teeth and we're going to give them grow teeth and we're going to give them some solid foods. I feel terrible about some solid foods. I feel terrible about some solid foods. I feel terrible about this to this day. I did what my mother this to this day. I did what my mother this to this day. I did what my mother told me, which was to start them on told me, which was to start them on told me, which was to start them on Cheerios. I should have started them on Cheerios. I should have started them on Cheerios. I should have started them on salmon. I should have started them on salmon. I should have started them on salmon. I should have started them on scrambled eggs. I should have started scrambled eggs. I should have started scrambled eggs. I should have started them on steak or high quality protein. I them on steak or high quality protein. I them on steak or high quality protein. I didn't know at that time. didn't know at that time. didn't know at that time. >> I believe the nutritional lies that my >> I believe the nutritional lies that my >> I believe the nutritional lies that my mother had taught me from childhood. So, mother had taught me from childhood. So, mother had taught me from childhood. So, there are some people out there that are there are some people out there that are there are some people out there that are sort of formula purists. I don't care sort of formula purists. I don't care sort of formula purists. I don't care what's in the formula. You shouldn't be what's in the formula. You shouldn't be what's in the formula. You shouldn't be feeding your kid formula anyway. I'm not feeding your kid formula anyway. I'm not feeding your kid formula anyway. I'm not one of those people. Um, one of those people. Um, one of those people. Um, >> yeah. Some people can't produce milk >> yeah. Some people can't produce milk >> yeah. Some people can't produce milk naturally. They have trouble. They can't naturally. They have trouble. They can't naturally. They have trouble. They can't >> There's some babies with no mom. Like, >> There's some babies with no mom. Like, >> There's some babies with no mom. Like, we need formula in this country. for we need formula in this country. for we need formula in this country. for emotional, economic, and practical emotional, economic, and practical emotional, economic, and practical reasons. And it should be good goddamn reasons. And it should be good goddamn reasons. And it should be good goddamn formula. And then the babies are going formula. And then the babies are going formula. And then the babies are going to be on it for several months, which is
2:07to be on it for several months, which is to be on it for several months, which is a very short period of their whole life, a very short period of their whole life, a very short period of their whole life, but a critical period for neurological but a critical period for neurological but a critical period for neurological development and immunological development and immunological development and immunological development. So this is the brain and development. So this is the brain and development. So this is the brain and the immune system. During those periods the immune system. During those periods the immune system. During those periods of rapid development of the uh immune of rapid development of the uh immune of rapid development of the uh immune system and the brain system, if you system and the brain system, if you system and the brain system, if you don't get things right, you will either, don't get things right, you will either, don't get things right, you will either, like with my son, result in some like with my son, result in some like with my son, result in some atypical immunological atypical immunological atypical immunological trajectory of development that leaves trajectory of development that leaves trajectory of development that leaves him vulnerable to autoimmune disorder, him vulnerable to autoimmune disorder, him vulnerable to autoimmune disorder, in his case, type 1 diabetes. That's the in his case, type 1 diabetes. That's the in his case, type 1 diabetes. That's the immune system, which relies on vitamin immune system, which relies on vitamin immune system, which relies on vitamin D. or in the neurological system, you D. or in the neurological system, you D. or in the neurological system, you will orient that child's development in will orient that child's development in will orient that child's development in some atypical function that lives them some atypical function that lives them some atypical function that lives them vulnerable to autism. vulnerable to autism. vulnerable to autism. >> Now, this is something that Kennedy and >> Now, this is something that Kennedy and >> Now, this is something that Kennedy and Barachara have been talking about. It's Barachara have been talking about. It's Barachara have been talking about. It's September. We're supposed to get the September. We're supposed to get the September. We're supposed to get the Kennedy's announcement about the causes
2:08Kennedy's announcement about the causes Kennedy's announcement about the causes of autism. And there's a lot on there of autism. And there's a lot on there of autism. And there's a lot on there about Deans cause autism. If I put about Deans cause autism. If I put about Deans cause autism. If I put something on autism and mitochondria on something on autism and mitochondria on something on autism and mitochondria on Twitter, I'm going to have people push Twitter, I'm going to have people push Twitter, I'm going to have people push back on me and say, "You're an idiot. We back on me and say, "You're an idiot. We back on me and say, "You're an idiot. We know it's the MMR vaccine and that's the know it's the MMR vaccine and that's the know it's the MMR vaccine and that's the only or whatever it is." I'm not a only or whatever it is." I'm not a only or whatever it is." I'm not a vaccine advocate. I'm not a aluminum or vaccine advocate. I'm not a aluminum or vaccine advocate. I'm not a aluminum or mercury advocate. These things are mercury advocate. These things are mercury advocate. These things are toxic. They're neurotoxins. They would toxic. They're neurotoxins. They would toxic. They're neurotoxins. They would certainly result in neurological damage certainly result in neurological damage certainly result in neurological damage to especially to a child that's on the to especially to a child that's on the to especially to a child that's on the edge. edge. edge. >> But they are not the origin of autism. >> But they are not the origin of autism. >> But they are not the origin of autism. It is that latest stage pregnancy and It is that latest stage pregnancy and It is that latest stage pregnancy and the first several months to two years of the first several months to two years of the first several months to two years of life in which the brain and the nervous life in which the brain and the nervous life in which the brain and the nervous system is developing more rapidly than system is developing more rapidly than system is developing more rapidly than at any other stage in which the at any other stage in which the at any other stage in which the metabolic state of the mother and the metabolic state of the mother and the metabolic state of the mother and the child is critically important. child is critically important. child is critically important. Metabolism, it has two components. Metabolism, it has two components. Metabolism, it has two components. There's what's happening in the gut. The There's what's happening in the gut. The There's what's happening in the gut. The gut produces everything that goes into gut produces everything that goes into gut produces everything that goes into the bloodstream that feeds the the bloodstream that feeds the the bloodstream that feeds the mitochondria. That includes glucose, mitochondria. That includes glucose, mitochondria. That includes glucose, includes free fatty acids. So the
2:09includes free fatty acids. So the includes free fatty acids. So the mitochondria are downstream of the gut mitochondria are downstream of the gut mitochondria are downstream of the gut and if the mitochondria aren't in a and if the mitochondria aren't in a and if the mitochondria aren't in a healthy state because it is the healthy state because it is the healthy state because it is the mitochondria that guide the development mitochondria that guide the development mitochondria that guide the development of the brain, impaired mitochondrial of the brain, impaired mitochondrial of the brain, impaired mitochondrial function will lead to atypical function will lead to atypical function will lead to atypical neurological development. Just like my neurological development. Just like my neurological development. Just like my son was vulnerable to the onset of type son was vulnerable to the onset of type son was vulnerable to the onset of type 1 diabetes because he didn't get enough 1 diabetes because he didn't get enough 1 diabetes because he didn't get enough vitamin D. If the mitochondria of the vitamin D. If the mitochondria of the vitamin D. If the mitochondria of the mother or the child are impaired during mother or the child are impaired during mother or the child are impaired during those critical stages of development, those critical stages of development, those critical stages of development, they become vulnerable to neurological they become vulnerable to neurological they become vulnerable to neurological regression. So this is uh the child regression. So this is uh the child regression. So this is uh the child speaking words, making good eye contact, speaking words, making good eye contact, speaking words, making good eye contact, they're social, but then they experience they're social, but then they experience they're social, but then they experience a fever. The fever causes inflammation a fever. The fever causes inflammation a fever. The fever causes inflammation in the brain and this tips them into in the brain and this tips them into in the brain and this tips them into neurological regression. In other words, neurological regression. In other words, neurological regression. In other words, they have a fragile neurological system they have a fragile neurological system they have a fragile neurological system because their mitochondria were impaired because their mitochondria were impaired because their mitochondria were impaired during its development. Even if you fix during its development. Even if you fix during its development. Even if you fix the mitochondria later in life, the the mitochondria later in life, the the mitochondria later in life, the development of the brain can still be development of the brain can still be development of the brain can still be vulnerable to the onset of autism. You
2:10vulnerable to the onset of autism. You vulnerable to the onset of autism. You give a now the vaccine increases the give a now the vaccine increases the give a now the vaccine increases the toxic load on the mitochondria. It's toxic load on the mitochondria. It's toxic load on the mitochondria. It's absolutely true. Get the aluminum, for absolutely true. Get the aluminum, for absolutely true. Get the aluminum, for example, the hell out of the vaccines. example, the hell out of the vaccines. example, the hell out of the vaccines. Well, they say that it can't the Well, they say that it can't the Well, they say that it can't the thyarisol the vaccine can't even be thyarisol the vaccine can't even be thyarisol the vaccine can't even be stored without the thyarisol, right? stored without the thyarisol, right? stored without the thyarisol, right? Like, Like, Like, >> oops. Yeah. >> oops. Yeah. >> oops. Yeah. >> Oh, well, maybe we'll come up with some >> Oh, well, maybe we'll come up with some >> Oh, well, maybe we'll come up with some other way for the children to get other way for the children to get other way for the children to get chickenpox. Like, it it makes me a chickenpox. Like, it it makes me a chickenpox. Like, it it makes me a little angry, but I'm not the I'm not little angry, but I'm not the I'm not little angry, but I'm not the I'm not making a vaccine specialist argument. making a vaccine specialist argument. making a vaccine specialist argument. >> Um, what I'm saying is that children >> Um, what I'm saying is that children >> Um, what I'm saying is that children will often have fevers in response to a will often have fevers in response to a will often have fevers in response to a vacine. This is a normal sort of vacine. This is a normal sort of vacine. This is a normal sort of response. It's not even counted as response. It's not even counted as response. It's not even counted as vaccine injury. It's a immunological vaccine injury. It's a immunological vaccine injury. It's a immunological activation that creates a fever in the activation that creates a fever in the activation that creates a fever in the child. child. child. >> That fever will is associated with >> That fever will is associated with >> That fever will is associated with swelling in the brain. That fever can be swelling in the brain. That fever can be swelling in the brain. That fever can be the onset of neurological regression. the onset of neurological regression. the onset of neurological regression. Now, the experience of the parent is I Now, the experience of the parent is I Now, the experience of the parent is I had a perfectly healthy child. I went in
2:11had a perfectly healthy child. I went in had a perfectly healthy child. I went in for one of those bogus wellchild visits. for one of those bogus wellchild visits. for one of those bogus wellchild visits. They loaded up my kid with vaccines. 24 They loaded up my kid with vaccines. 24 They loaded up my kid with vaccines. 24 hours later, he's banging his head. He's hours later, he's banging his head. He's hours later, he's banging his head. He's spinning. and he can't speak. spinning. and he can't speak. spinning. and he can't speak. >> How you cannot tell that parent anything >> How you cannot tell that parent anything >> How you cannot tell that parent anything but the vaccine caused the child's but the vaccine caused the child's but the vaccine caused the child's autism. That is their experience. And autism. That is their experience. And autism. That is their experience. And I'm not I'm not contradicting it. But I'm not I'm not contradicting it. But I'm not I'm not contradicting it. But their child was made vulnerable to that their child was made vulnerable to that their child was made vulnerable to that injury by impaired mitochondrial injury by impaired mitochondrial injury by impaired mitochondrial function earlier in the child's life. function earlier in the child's life. function earlier in the child's life. >> So what am I saying? We must take care >> So what am I saying? We must take care >> So what am I saying? We must take care of the metabolism of pregnant women. of the metabolism of pregnant women. of the metabolism of pregnant women. Mhm. Mhm. >> The most important factor that will >> The most important factor that will >> The most important factor that will modify or increase the risk of autism in modify or increase the risk of autism in modify or increase the risk of autism in later in the child is the metab later in the child is the metab later in the child is the metab metabolic state of the mother during metabolic state of the mother during metabolic state of the mother during pregnancy. If her metabolism is pregnancy. If her metabolism is pregnancy. If her metabolism is impaired, the child's neurological impaired, the child's neurological impaired, the child's neurological system, it will not develop in a typical system, it will not develop in a typical system, it will not develop in a typical and healthy way. It will become more and healthy way. It will become more and healthy way. It will become more vulnerable to other toxins. So, one of vulnerable to other toxins. So, one of vulnerable to other toxins. So, one of the things that Kennedy put was um the things that Kennedy put was um the things that Kennedy put was um there's an association between Tylenol
2:12there's an association between Tylenol there's an association between Tylenol use and autism. And there absolutely is. use and autism. And there absolutely is. use and autism. And there absolutely is. The evidence is very strong. The evidence is very strong. The evidence is very strong. >> There's also an association between >> There's also an association between >> There's also an association between ibuprofen and autism. ibuprofen and autism. ibuprofen and autism. >> What do you give a child when they have >> What do you give a child when they have >> What do you give a child when they have a fever in response to a injury or a fever in response to a injury or a fever in response to a injury or anything else? You give them Tylenol. anything else? You give them Tylenol. anything else? You give them Tylenol. >> It's not the Tylenol and Tylenol is not >> It's not the Tylenol and Tylenol is not >> It's not the Tylenol and Tylenol is not good for young kids. It's toxic to the good for young kids. It's toxic to the good for young kids. It's toxic to the liver. It's not good at all. And you liver. It's not good at all. And you liver. It's not good at all. And you should especially not give it to infants should especially not give it to infants should especially not give it to infants or young children. But the reason the or young children. But the reason the or young children. But the reason the parent is giving the Tylenol is because parent is giving the Tylenol is because parent is giving the Tylenol is because they have the fever and the brain they have the fever and the brain they have the fever and the brain inflammation. So we need to look deeper inflammation. So we need to look deeper inflammation. So we need to look deeper than just the superficial causes. Autism than just the superficial causes. Autism than just the superficial causes. Autism originates originates originates >> Tylenol specifically or is any other >> Tylenol specifically or is any other >> Tylenol specifically or is any other medication similar to the medication similar to the medication similar to the >> ibuprofen, Tylenol, Motrin, >> ibuprofen, Tylenol, Motrin, >> ibuprofen, Tylenol, Motrin, >> uh all of them are associated with an >> uh all of them are associated with an >> uh all of them are associated with an increased risk or frequency of autism increased risk or frequency of autism increased risk or frequency of autism diagnosis. Now Tylenol popped up and I diagnosis. Now Tylenol popped up and I diagnosis. Now Tylenol popped up and I forget this is Dr. Walker's research, if forget this is Dr. Walker's research, if forget this is Dr. Walker's research, if I'm remembering the name correctly, I'm remembering the name correctly, I'm remembering the name correctly, Tylenol popped up as higher than Tylenol popped up as higher than Tylenol popped up as higher than ibuprofen, but both of them were
2:13ibuprofen, but both of them were ibuprofen, but both of them were associated with elevated risk. That's associated with elevated risk. That's associated with elevated risk. That's not a mechanism. And again, Tylenol has not a mechanism. And again, Tylenol has not a mechanism. And again, Tylenol has side effects that make it uh dangerous, side effects that make it uh dangerous, side effects that make it uh dangerous, especially for young children, but it's especially for young children, but it's especially for young children, but it's the reason that you're giving the the reason that you're giving the the reason that you're giving the Tylenol that you really have to look at Tylenol that you really have to look at Tylenol that you really have to look at for the origins of autism. It is in, and for the origins of autism. It is in, and for the origins of autism. It is in, and I have a good interview with Dr. Richard I have a good interview with Dr. Richard I have a good interview with Dr. Richard Fry on this, it is in mitochondrial Fry on this, it is in mitochondrial Fry on this, it is in mitochondrial dysfunction. The mitochondria are dysfunction. The mitochondria are dysfunction. The mitochondria are responsible for forming and pruning the responsible for forming and pruning the responsible for forming and pruning the neural connections in the brain. If the neural connections in the brain. If the neural connections in the brain. If the mitochondria are impaired, the brain mitochondria are impaired, the brain mitochondria are impaired, the brain doesn't go right. And so, we'll see what doesn't go right. And so, we'll see what doesn't go right. And so, we'll see what Kennedy and Bachara say later this Kennedy and Bachara say later this Kennedy and Bachara say later this month. I think I mean, I know they're month. I think I mean, I know they're month. I think I mean, I know they're aware of the mitochondrial uh theory of aware of the mitochondrial uh theory of aware of the mitochondrial uh theory of autism and we'll see how much that plays autism and we'll see how much that plays autism and we'll see how much that plays in. What is one of the best things that in. What is one of the best things that in. What is one of the best things that a pregnant woman can do to heal her a pregnant woman can do to heal her a pregnant woman can do to heal her mitochondria, to boost her metabolism? mitochondria, to boost her metabolism? mitochondria, to boost her metabolism? get in the cold plunge. get in the cold plunge. get in the cold plunge. >> There are a number of women who have >> There are a number of women who have >> There are a number of women who have written to me and practiced this, had written to me and practiced this, had written to me and practiced this, had excellent birth outcomes. There's good excellent birth outcomes. There's good excellent birth outcomes. There's good epidemiological data on cold exposure
2:14epidemiological data on cold exposure epidemiological data on cold exposure during pregnancy and improved birth during pregnancy and improved birth during pregnancy and improved birth outcomes. So, it's a wonderful thing, outcomes. So, it's a wonderful thing, outcomes. So, it's a wonderful thing, especially late stage in pregnancy. If especially late stage in pregnancy. If especially late stage in pregnancy. If you can't exercise, you can't fix your you can't exercise, you can't fix your you can't exercise, you can't fix your diet, your sleep is disrupted by your diet, your sleep is disrupted by your diet, your sleep is disrupted by your pregnancy, you can at least get into the pregnancy, you can at least get into the pregnancy, you can at least get into the ice bath for two minutes. Inflammation ice bath for two minutes. Inflammation ice bath for two minutes. Inflammation will go down, mobility will go up, sleep will go down, mobility will go up, sleep will go down, mobility will go up, sleep quality will improve, and mitochondrial quality will improve, and mitochondrial quality will improve, and mitochondrial function will improve. Steve, can you function will improve. Steve, can you function will improve. Steve, can you pull up that post that I sent you? >> Did you get it? >> Did you get it? >> I can't wait. >> I can't wait. >> I can't wait. >> This is um so uh we we have been looking >> This is um so uh we we have been looking >> This is um so uh we we have been looking for a new pediatrician for our kids for a new pediatrician for our kids for a new pediatrician for our kids because uh they're about to kick us out because uh they're about to kick us out because uh they're about to kick us out because we're we've been delaying and because we're we've been delaying and because we're we've been delaying and delaying and delaying the shots for for delaying and delaying the shots for for delaying and delaying the shots for for for years. Yeah. And now she's just for years. Yeah. And now she's just for years. Yeah. And now she's just basically saying that, you know, we basically saying that, you know, we basically saying that, you know, we can't we can't keep you here anymore. can't we can't keep you here anymore. can't we can't keep you here anymore. So, this is I came across this post. Uh So, this is I came across this post. Uh So, this is I came across this post. Uh go click the right arrow. It says doctors own I don't know how It says doctors own I don't know how true this is, but uh it says doctors true this is, but uh it says doctors true this is, but uh it says doctors earn $40,000 in bonuses from insurance earn $40,000 in bonuses from insurance earn $40,000 in bonuses from insurance companies for hitting quotas, these
2:15companies for hitting quotas, these companies for hitting quotas, these quotas. Blue Cross Blue Shield pays quotas. Blue Cross Blue Shield pays quotas. Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians for fully vacant babies pediatricians for fully vacant babies pediatricians for fully vacant babies under two. So a 100 kids fully is 40k under two. So a 100 kids fully is 40k under two. So a 100 kids fully is 40k and 200 kids fully is 80k. Um keep and 200 kids fully is 80k. Um keep and 200 kids fully is 80k. Um keep going. What's the catch? going. What's the catch? going. What's the catch? >> Uh if fewer than 63% >> Uh if fewer than 63% >> Uh if fewer than 63% of their patients are fully of their patients are fully of their patients are fully including the flu shot, they lose the including the flu shot, they lose the including the flu shot, they lose the entire bonus. entire bonus. entire bonus. >> That's why they kick you out. >> That's why they kick you out. >> That's why they kick you out. >> So your decision individually to say no >> So your decision individually to say no >> So your decision individually to say no thanks on the is not just $400. It could thanks on the is not just $400. It could thanks on the is not just $400. It could cost them the entire $40,000 $80,000 cost them the entire $40,000 $80,000 cost them the entire $40,000 $80,000 bonus from the insurance company. bonus from the insurance company. bonus from the insurance company. >> Your children are in the denominator. So >> Your children are in the denominator. So >> Your children are in the denominator. So there's the number of kids who areated there's the number of kids who areated there's the number of kids who areated in the numerator and the fraction is in the numerator and the fraction is in the numerator and the fraction is calculated over the total number of kids calculated over the total number of kids calculated over the total number of kids in the practice. Your kids are in the in the practice. Your kids are in the in the practice. Your kids are in the denominator and they're making the denominator and they're making the denominator and they're making the fraction lower. They got to get rid of fraction lower. They got to get rid of fraction lower. They got to get rid of your kids if they want the bonus. your kids if they want the bonus. your kids if they want the bonus. >> Yep. And that's why it says that's why >> Yep. And that's why it says that's why >> Yep. And that's why it says that's why the doctors pressure guilt and shame the doctors pressure guilt and shame the doctors pressure guilt and shame parents. It's not just about health. parents. It's not just about health. parents. It's not just about health. It's about their money.
2:16It's about their money. It's about their money. >> Your governor >> Your governor >> Your governor >> crazy. >> crazy. >> crazy. it. it. it. >> I want I like low key want to ask our >> I want I like low key want to ask our >> I want I like low key want to ask our pediatrician that our our when we go in pediatrician that our our when we go in pediatrician that our our when we go in for our last visit after they kick us for our last visit after they kick us for our last visit after they kick us out before they kick us out. Like why is out before they kick us out. Like why is out before they kick us out. Like why is this true? this true? this true? >> Just ask this Instagram post I came >> Just ask this Instagram post I came >> Just ask this Instagram post I came across. Do you guys get any bonuses from across. Do you guys get any bonuses from across. Do you guys get any bonuses from your insurance companies? your insurance companies? your insurance companies? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> My wife's like, "You are not. >> My wife's like, "You are not. >> My wife's like, "You are not. >> You are not going in there with me and >> You are not going in there with me and >> You are not going in there with me and going to embarrass me in front of the going to embarrass me in front of the going to embarrass me in front of the pediatrician." pediatrician." pediatrician." >> Whenever this topic comes up at dinner, >> Whenever this topic comes up at dinner, >> Whenever this topic comes up at dinner, there's so many memes about this. there's so many memes about this. there's so many memes about this. Whenever a topic comes up at dinner and Whenever a topic comes up at dinner and Whenever a topic comes up at dinner and we're like with friends or whatever and we're like with friends or whatever and we're like with friends or whatever and the topic comes up, she's like [ __ ] the topic comes up, she's like [ __ ] the topic comes up, she's like [ __ ] kicking me in the table. Don't [ __ ] kicking me in the table. Don't [ __ ] kicking me in the table. Don't [ __ ] say a word cuz people get so people say a word cuz people get so people say a word cuz people get so people people are very sensitive when around people are very sensitive when around people are very sensitive when around these types of types of topics. You these types of types of topics. You these types of types of topics. You know, know, know, >> human beings um I mean we're highly >> human beings um I mean we're highly >> human beings um I mean we're highly social creatures. So embarrassment, social creatures. So embarrassment, social creatures. So embarrassment, humiliate, humiliation, status, I mean humiliate, humiliation, status, I mean humiliate, humiliation, status, I mean we can't help it. It activates parts of we can't help it. It activates parts of we can't help it. It activates parts of our brain that um are involuntary. It our brain that um are involuntary. It our brain that um are involuntary. It takes a lot to override that. And um you takes a lot to override that. And um you takes a lot to override that. And um you probably don't have to ask. I mean, you probably don't have to ask. I mean, you probably don't have to ask. I mean, you already know. already know. already know. >> Exactly.
2:17>> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Part of you wants to know if your >> Part of you wants to know if your >> Part of you wants to know if your pediatrician has the guts to admit it. pediatrician has the guts to admit it. pediatrician has the guts to admit it. >> Exactly. Yep. >> Exactly. Yep. >> Exactly. Yep. >> That's exactly what it is. >> That's exactly what it is. >> That's exactly what it is. >> It's more important to ask the next one. >> It's more important to ask the next one. >> It's more important to ask the next one. Ask the next pediatrician. How important Ask the next pediatrician. How important Ask the next pediatrician. How important are those bonuses to you? Because for are those bonuses to you? Because for are those bonuses to you? Because for you to take Yeah. Exactly right. you to take Yeah. Exactly right. you to take Yeah. Exactly right. >> It's sad. And um you know, I would love >> It's sad. And um you know, I would love >> It's sad. And um you know, I would love to see something like that, like some to see something like that, like some to see something like that, like some sort of law get passed in Florida or any sort of law get passed in Florida or any sort of law get passed in Florida or any state where they're not allowed to do state where they're not allowed to do state where they're not allowed to do that. like the insurance company should that. like the insurance company should that. like the insurance company should legally not be allowed to incentivize legally not be allowed to incentivize legally not be allowed to incentivize their doctors to inject these their doctors to inject these their doctors to inject these experimental drugs into children for for experimental drugs into children for for experimental drugs into children for for for thousands of dollars. That's for thousands of dollars. That's for thousands of dollars. That's >> and here's a big problem in the United >> and here's a big problem in the United >> and here's a big problem in the United States. Um this dates back to like 1922 States. Um this dates back to like 1922 States. Um this dates back to like 1922 or something. Don't quote me on the or something. Don't quote me on the or something. Don't quote me on the year, but it is when the Dodge brothers year, but it is when the Dodge brothers year, but it is when the Dodge brothers decided to sue Henry Ford. The Dodge decided to sue Henry Ford. The Dodge decided to sue Henry Ford. The Dodge brothers were invested in Henry Ford's brothers were invested in Henry Ford's brothers were invested in Henry Ford's automobile company. And I'm going to automobile company. And I'm going to automobile company. And I'm going to bring this back to pharmaceuticals. So, bring this back to pharmaceuticals. So, bring this back to pharmaceuticals. So, but bear with me. This case went all the but bear with me. This case went all the but bear with me. This case went all the way up to the Supreme Court because way up to the Supreme Court because way up to the Supreme Court because Henry Ford did not want to pay the Dodge
2:18Henry Ford did not want to pay the Dodge Henry Ford did not want to pay the Dodge brothers or any of his shareholders a brothers or any of his shareholders a brothers or any of his shareholders a dividend. He said, "I'm going to take dividend. He said, "I'm going to take dividend. He said, "I'm going to take the money that we're making. I'm going the money that we're making. I'm going the money that we're making. I'm going to reinvest it in making the product to reinvest it in making the product to reinvest it in making the product better, the working conditions better, better, the working conditions better, better, the working conditions better, the, you know, vehicles safer, and the the, you know, vehicles safer, and the the, you know, vehicles safer, and the factory more productive." And the Dodge factory more productive." And the Dodge factory more productive." And the Dodge brothers said, "Screw you. We want a brothers said, "Screw you. We want a brothers said, "Screw you. We want a dividend all the way up to the Supreme dividend all the way up to the Supreme dividend all the way up to the Supreme Court." And the Supreme Court says that Court." And the Supreme Court says that Court." And the Supreme Court says that whomever is running the publicly traded whomever is running the publicly traded whomever is running the publicly traded company has a legal obligation to company has a legal obligation to company has a legal obligation to maximize shareholder value. Right? This maximize shareholder value. Right? This maximize shareholder value. Right? This is not a moral principle anymore. This is not a moral principle anymore. This is not a moral principle anymore. This is a legal principle. So now you take is a legal principle. So now you take is a legal principle. So now you take the chief executives at Fizer. the chief executives at Fizer. the chief executives at Fizer. >> What was the name of that case again? >> What was the name of that case again? >> What was the name of that case again? >> It was Dodge brothers versus Ford. Um >> It was Dodge brothers versus Ford. Um >> It was Dodge brothers versus Ford. Um you can look it up. A Supreme Court you can look it up. A Supreme Court you can look it up. A Supreme Court decision maximize shareholder value. And decision maximize shareholder value. And decision maximize shareholder value. And you will get the right case so you don't you will get the right case so you don't you will get the right case so you don't have to take my word for it. have to take my word for it. have to take my word for it. Since the early 20s, every executive of Since the early 20s, every executive of Since the early 20s, every executive of every US publicly traded company is every US publicly traded company is every US publicly traded company is legally obliged to operate the company legally obliged to operate the company legally obliged to operate the company as if he was maximizing shareholder
2:19as if he was maximizing shareholder as if he was maximizing shareholder value. Now, a guy like Steve Jobs didn't value. Now, a guy like Steve Jobs didn't value. Now, a guy like Steve Jobs didn't give a damn about shareholder value. He give a damn about shareholder value. He give a damn about shareholder value. He never paid a dividend. Didn't have a never paid a dividend. Didn't have a never paid a dividend. Didn't have a stock buyback or anything because he was stock buyback or anything because he was stock buyback or anything because he was so, I guess, obstreporous or something, so, I guess, obstreporous or something, so, I guess, obstreporous or something, you know. But as soon as Jobs died, what you know. But as soon as Jobs died, what you know. But as soon as Jobs died, what did Tim Cook do? He started paying a did Tim Cook do? He started paying a did Tim Cook do? He started paying a dividend and he started shareholder dividend and he started shareholder dividend and he started shareholder buybacks. Jobs felt like if you're using buybacks. Jobs felt like if you're using buybacks. Jobs felt like if you're using your cash to to return to investors, your cash to to return to investors, your cash to to return to investors, it's because you don't have any more it's because you don't have any more it's because you don't have any more good ideas to invest in. good ideas to invest in. good ideas to invest in. >> But he was an iconoclast. The executives >> But he was an iconoclast. The executives >> But he was an iconoclast. The executives of the pharmaceutical companies in the of the pharmaceutical companies in the of the pharmaceutical companies in the United States, they are organized as United States, they are organized as United States, they are organized as corps. They must they are legally corps. They must they are legally corps. They must they are legally obliged to maximize shareholder value. obliged to maximize shareholder value. obliged to maximize shareholder value. They are not legally obliged to maximize They are not legally obliged to maximize They are not legally obliged to maximize shareholder value unless you make some shareholder value unless you make some shareholder value unless you make some people sick. If it comes down to whether people sick. If it comes down to whether people sick. If it comes down to whether they would put patient welfare and they would put patient welfare and they would put patient welfare and well-being first or put shareholder well-being first or put shareholder well-being first or put shareholder value first, they have a legit argument value first, they have a legit argument value first, they have a legit argument to say, "I am obliged by the Supreme to say, "I am obliged by the Supreme to say, "I am obliged by the Supreme Court of the United States to maximize
2:20Court of the United States to maximize Court of the United States to maximize shareholder value even if it comes at shareholder value even if it comes at shareholder value even if it comes at the expense of patients. As long as it's the expense of patients. As long as it's the expense of patients. As long as it's been approved by the FDA and I'm within been approved by the FDA and I'm within been approved by the FDA and I'm within the regulatory requirements, I have no the regulatory requirements, I have no the regulatory requirements, I have no flexibility." That is a [ __ ] reason flexibility." That is a [ __ ] reason flexibility." That is a [ __ ] reason to to poison people, make them sick, to to to poison people, make them sick, to to to poison people, make them sick, to create people who are lifetime dependent create people who are lifetime dependent create people who are lifetime dependent upon your project. I'm not defending it upon your project. I'm not defending it upon your project. I'm not defending it on a moral or ethical basis. What I'm on a moral or ethical basis. What I'm on a moral or ethical basis. What I'm saying is we have a systemic problem saying is we have a systemic problem saying is we have a systemic problem with for-profit healthcare in the United with for-profit healthcare in the United with for-profit healthcare in the United States, and we cannot rely upon the States, and we cannot rely upon the States, and we cannot rely upon the pharmaceutical companies to fix it. We pharmaceutical companies to fix it. We pharmaceutical companies to fix it. We can't shame the pharmaceutical companies can't shame the pharmaceutical companies can't shame the pharmaceutical companies into behaving better. What we need to do into behaving better. What we need to do into behaving better. What we need to do is, yeah, get them off the airwaves. is, yeah, get them off the airwaves. is, yeah, get them off the airwaves. They're the biggest advertisers. So, of They're the biggest advertisers. So, of They're the biggest advertisers. So, of course, they own the mainstream media course, they own the mainstream media course, they own the mainstream media channels. So, shut that down. channels. So, shut that down. channels. So, shut that down. >> But we also need to move them to BC >> But we also need to move them to BC >> But we also need to move them to BC corporations instead of Ccorporations. A corporations instead of Ccorporations. A corporations instead of Ccorporations. A BC corporation is allowed to be for BC corporation is allowed to be for BC corporation is allowed to be for profofit, but it's organized for public profofit, but it's organized for public profofit, but it's organized for public benefit. It's not a nonprofit. It's a benefit. It's not a nonprofit. It's a benefit. It's not a nonprofit. It's a for-profit corporation organized for for-profit corporation organized for for-profit corporation organized for public benefit. We must remove from them public benefit. We must remove from them public benefit. We must remove from them this crazy ass constraint that says
2:21this crazy ass constraint that says this crazy ass constraint that says for-profit healthcare is more obliged to for-profit healthcare is more obliged to for-profit healthcare is more obliged to the shareholders than it is to the the shareholders than it is to the the shareholders than it is to the patient. So that's another policy change patient. So that's another policy change patient. So that's another policy change that we can make. The idea that we can make. The idea that we can make. The idea >> uh that we could murder or shame our way >> uh that we could murder or shame our way >> uh that we could murder or shame our way to better behavior inside these publicly to better behavior inside these publicly to better behavior inside these publicly traded CC corporations is is a fantasy traded CC corporations is is a fantasy traded CC corporations is is a fantasy in the extreme. We need to reorganize in the extreme. We need to reorganize in the extreme. We need to reorganize the way forprofit healthcare works in the way forprofit healthcare works in the way forprofit healthcare works in the United States to change the the United States to change the the United States to change the incentive constructors and in incentive constructors and in incentive constructors and in constraints under which they operate. constraints under which they operate. constraints under which they operate. So, uh, I'm I'm not defending murder. So, uh, I'm I'm not defending murder. So, uh, I'm I'm not defending murder. I'm like real bad with that. And I'm not I'm like real bad with that. And I'm not I'm like real bad with that. And I'm not disagreeing with the people who are disagreeing with the people who are disagreeing with the people who are criticizing the the executives who are criticizing the the executives who are criticizing the the executives who are lying, cheating, stealing moral scum in lying, cheating, stealing moral scum in lying, cheating, stealing moral scum in the way that they have behaved. What I'm the way that they have behaved. What I'm the way that they have behaved. What I'm saying is we need to operate at a higher saying is we need to operate at a higher saying is we need to operate at a higher level, a more systemic level to level, a more systemic level to level, a more systemic level to dismantle the mechanisms that is the
2:22dismantle the mechanisms that is the dismantle the mechanisms that is the infrastructure of healthcare in our infrastructure of healthcare in our infrastructure of healthcare in our country that has gotten us to this country that has gotten us to this country that has gotten us to this miserable state where life expectancy in miserable state where life expectancy in miserable state where life expectancy in the United States hasn't improved since the United States hasn't improved since the United States hasn't improved since like 2012. like 2012. like 2012. >> Right. >> Right. Well, it is optimistic to see um I just Well, it is optimistic to see um I just Well, it is optimistic to see um I just saw this I think yesterday that they're saw this I think yesterday that they're saw this I think yesterday that they're and maybe you can find this Steve to and maybe you can find this Steve to and maybe you can find this Steve to confirm it, but um I saw that they or confirm it, but um I saw that they or confirm it, but um I saw that they or RFK did something where he made it so RFK did something where he made it so RFK did something where he made it so advertisers now pharmaceutical advertisers now pharmaceutical advertisers now pharmaceutical advertisers now have to list every advertisers now have to list every advertisers now have to list every single one of the side effects on all on single one of the side effects on all on single one of the side effects on all on all of their ads and that was a lot. all of their ads and that was a lot. all of their ads and that was a lot. >> What was your reaction to that? >> What was your reaction to that? >> What was your reaction to that? >> I thought that was incredible. That's a >> I thought that was incredible. That's a >> I thought that was incredible. That's a huge step in the right direction. huge step in the right direction. huge step in the right direction. >> I listen to these ads. I thought they >> I listen to these ads. I thought they >> I listen to these ads. I thought they already were listening. You know, already were listening. You know, already were listening. You know, explosive diarrhea, instant death. they explosive diarrhea, instant death. they explosive diarrhea, instant death. they are, but they they only have to list a a are, but they they only have to list a a are, but they they only have to list a a small percentage of them and they can small percentage of them and they can small percentage of them and they can also say go here for more details, also say go here for more details, also say go here for more details, >> but before I guess 1997, I guess they >> but before I guess 1997, I guess they >> but before I guess 1997, I guess they had to do all of them and that literally had to do all of them and that literally had to do all of them and that literally would like triple the length of their would like triple the length of their would like triple the length of their commercial.
2:23commercial. commercial. >> Okay, so the FDA recently sent out like >> Okay, so the FDA recently sent out like >> Okay, so the FDA recently sent out like I think it's more than 100 cease and I think it's more than 100 cease and I think it's more than 100 cease and desist letters to advertisers because of desist letters to advertisers because of desist letters to advertisers because of this policy change. The ads must change this policy change. The ads must change this policy change. The ads must change immediately. And I guess the FDA has immediately. And I guess the FDA has immediately. And I guess the FDA has said, "You need to pull those ads down said, "You need to pull those ads down said, "You need to pull those ads down now because they no longer now because they no longer now because they no longer >> So when did this happen, Steve? When >> So when did this happen, Steve? When >> So when did this happen, Steve? When when did this actually get implemented? when did this actually get implemented? when did this actually get implemented? >> This is very recent." Yeah. >> This is very recent." Yeah. >> This is very recent." Yeah. >> Like even in the time scale of podcast >> Like even in the time scale of podcast >> Like even in the time scale of podcast rules. rules. rules. >> This is talking about the what you were >> This is talking about the what you were >> This is talking about the what you were talking about the new thing, right? I'm talking about the new thing, right? I'm talking about the new thing, right? I'm still looking for it. still looking for it. still looking for it. >> If you search for the FDA cease and >> If you search for the FDA cease and >> If you search for the FDA cease and desist letters, you'll probably find it. desist letters, you'll probably find it. desist letters, you'll probably find it. >> Yeah. It should be like the top of the >> Yeah. It should be like the top of the >> Yeah. It should be like the top of the news. Like it should be on the top of news. Like it should be on the top of news. Like it should be on the top of every single news site right now. every single news site right now. every single news site right now. I was really happy to see that because I was really happy to see that because I was really happy to see that because >> pharmaceutical ads um target patients >> pharmaceutical ads um target patients >> pharmaceutical ads um target patients because they work. Like they wouldn't be because they work. Like they wouldn't be because they work. Like they wouldn't be spending all this freaking money if they spending all this freaking money if they spending all this freaking money if they didn't if bypassing the physician didn't didn't if bypassing the physician didn't didn't if bypassing the physician didn't work. Ask your doctor if stipel is right work. Ask your doctor if stipel is right work. Ask your doctor if stipel is right for you or whatever the hell. for you or whatever the hell. for you or whatever the hell. >> So this is FDA launches crackdown on
2:24>> So this is FDA launches crackdown on >> So this is FDA launches crackdown on deceptive drug advertising from deceptive drug advertising from deceptive drug advertising from September 9th, which was two days ago. September 9th, which was two days ago. September 9th, which was two days ago. >> Two days ago. There we go. I was glad to >> Two days ago. There we go. I was glad to >> Two days ago. There we go. I was glad to see the US Department of Health and see the US Department of Health and see the US Department of Health and Human Services and the Food and Drug Human Services and the Food and Drug Human Services and the Food and Drug Administration today announced sweeping Administration today announced sweeping Administration today announced sweeping reforms to rein in misleading direct to reforms to rein in misleading direct to reforms to rein in misleading direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising. consumer pharmaceutical advertising. consumer pharmaceutical advertising. Today, the FDA is sending thousands of Today, the FDA is sending thousands of Today, the FDA is sending thousands of letters uh of letters warning letters uh of letters warning letters uh of letters warning pharmaceutical companies to remove pharmaceutical companies to remove pharmaceutical companies to remove misleading ads and issuing approximately misleading ads and issuing approximately misleading ads and issuing approximately 100 cease and desist letters to 100 cease and desist letters to 100 cease and desist letters to companies with deceptive ads. Um, in companies with deceptive ads. Um, in companies with deceptive ads. Um, in addition to enforcing existing law, the addition to enforcing existing law, the addition to enforcing existing law, the FDA is insinu or in uh initiating rulem FDA is insinu or in uh initiating rulem FDA is insinu or in uh initiating rulem to close the adequate provision to close the adequate provision to close the adequate provision loophole. Okay, that's what it was loophole. Okay, that's what it was loophole. Okay, that's what it was called. The adequate provision loophole called. The adequate provision loophole called. The adequate provision loophole created in 1997, which drug companies created in 1997, which drug companies created in 1997, which drug companies have used to conceal critical safety have used to conceal critical safety have used to conceal critical safety risks and broadcasting and digital ads, risks and broadcasting and digital ads, risks and broadcasting and digital ads, fueling inappropriate drug use and fueling inappropriate drug use and fueling inappropriate drug use and eroding public trust. eroding public trust. eroding public trust. >> So, this is Marty Macker is um running >> So, this is Marty Macker is um running >> So, this is Marty Macker is um running the FDA. I think he's called the the FDA. I think he's called the the FDA. I think he's called the commissioner of the FDA. Okay. commissioner of the FDA. Okay. commissioner of the FDA. Okay. >> Before he was appointed, he was a John's >> Before he was appointed, he was a John's >> Before he was appointed, he was a John's Hopkins professor who was vocal Hopkins professor who was vocal Hopkins professor who was vocal anti-lockdown. He's like, "These
2:25anti-lockdown. He's like, "These anti-lockdown. He's like, "These lockdowns aren't helping anybody. These lockdowns aren't helping anybody. These lockdowns aren't helping anybody. These policies are hurting people." He wrote a policies are hurting people." He wrote a policies are hurting people." He wrote a book called Blind Spots. And in this book called Blind Spots. And in this book called Blind Spots. And in this book, he was cataloging important book, he was cataloging important book, he was cataloging important medical misconceptions, things that medical misconceptions, things that medical misconceptions, things that medical doctors believe that just medical doctors believe that just medical doctors believe that just weren't true and needed to change. Uh, weren't true and needed to change. Uh, weren't true and needed to change. Uh, one of those was hormone replacement one of those was hormone replacement one of those was hormone replacement therapy for menopausal women. Uh, stands therapy for menopausal women. Uh, stands therapy for menopausal women. Uh, stands out in my mind because it's related to out in my mind because it's related to out in my mind because it's related to ice baths and cold plunge and sex ice baths and cold plunge and sex ice baths and cold plunge and sex hormone balancing. What he did not hormone balancing. What he did not hormone balancing. What he did not include in there was this relationship include in there was this relationship include in there was this relationship between testosterone and prostate. between testosterone and prostate. between testosterone and prostate. Doctors used to think that elevated Doctors used to think that elevated Doctors used to think that elevated prostate or sorry elevated testosterone prostate or sorry elevated testosterone prostate or sorry elevated testosterone would increase the risk of prostate would increase the risk of prostate would increase the risk of prostate cancer. Right. cancer. Right. cancer. Right. >> Absolutely false. >> Absolutely false. >> Absolutely false. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> Dr. Abraham Morgan Tyler he's down here >> Dr. Abraham Morgan Tyler he's down here >> Dr. Abraham Morgan Tyler he's down here in Florida and he has done exhaustive in Florida and he has done exhaustive in Florida and he has done exhaustive work revealing that misconception. work revealing that misconception. work revealing that misconception. So part of what fuels or perpetuates So part of what fuels or perpetuates So part of what fuels or perpetuates these misconceptions and we have reams these misconceptions and we have reams these misconceptions and we have reams of data that you'd think would overturn of data that you'd think would overturn of data that you'd think would overturn it, but part of what fuels that is two
2:26it, but part of what fuels that is two it, but part of what fuels that is two things. One is advertising to the public things. One is advertising to the public things. One is advertising to the public these drug ads that lie to the public these drug ads that lie to the public these drug ads that lie to the public about what the drugs do. And the other about what the drugs do. And the other about what the drugs do. And the other one is called continuing education one is called continuing education one is called continuing education credits. That is advertising essentially credits. That is advertising essentially credits. That is advertising essentially to doctors, to physicians, to people who to doctors, to physicians, to people who to doctors, to physicians, to people who have advanced degrees and are licensed have advanced degrees and are licensed have advanced degrees and are licensed to practice. calling it continuing to practice. calling it continuing to practice. calling it continuing education to try and bring them up to education to try and bring them up to education to try and bring them up to speed on the latest drugs or whatever it speed on the latest drugs or whatever it speed on the latest drugs or whatever it is. These continuing education credits is. These continuing education credits is. These continuing education credits which are often required to maintain which are often required to maintain which are often required to maintain licenser or status within professional licenser or status within professional licenser or status within professional societies, they are all funded by societies, they are all funded by societies, they are all funded by pharmaceutical companies when it comes pharmaceutical companies when it comes pharmaceutical companies when it comes to medicine. So there's two levels of to medicine. So there's two levels of to medicine. So there's two levels of advertising. This one that we're seeing advertising. This one that we're seeing advertising. This one that we're seeing which it looks like Marty Machi is which it looks like Marty Machi is which it looks like Marty Machi is working with Kennedy to shut down. working with Kennedy to shut down. working with Kennedy to shut down. There's a whole another level that we There's a whole another level that we There's a whole another level that we don't see which is it is the don't see which is it is the don't see which is it is the pharmaceutical companies that are pharmaceutical companies that are pharmaceutical companies that are writing the textbooks. It is the writing the textbooks. It is the writing the textbooks. It is the pharmaceutical companies that are giving pharmaceutical companies that are giving pharmaceutical companies that are giving away the seminars to the medical away the seminars to the medical away the seminars to the medical schools. is the pharmaceutical companies schools. is the pharmaceutical companies schools. is the pharmaceutical companies that are running the continuing that are running the continuing that are running the continuing education programs for physicians so
2:27education programs for physicians so education programs for physicians so that they can continue to brainwash that they can continue to brainwash that they can continue to brainwash otherwise intelligent people into otherwise intelligent people into otherwise intelligent people into thinking that something like a thinking that something like a thinking that something like a testosterone blocking drug would help testosterone blocking drug would help testosterone blocking drug would help their patient when in fact the data says their patient when in fact the data says their patient when in fact the data says increased testosterone is associated increased testosterone is associated increased testosterone is associated with protection against prostate cancer. with protection against prostate cancer. with protection against prostate cancer. So incentives are screwing up everything So incentives are screwing up everything So incentives are screwing up everything in medicine right now. And there's the in medicine right now. And there's the in medicine right now. And there's the other hidden layer that a lot of people other hidden layer that a lot of people other hidden layer that a lot of people don't see where uh pharmaceutical don't see where uh pharmaceutical don't see where uh pharmaceutical companies are responsible for tons of companies are responsible for tons of companies are responsible for tons of content on the internet being buried and content on the internet being buried and content on the internet being buried and suppressed. suppressed. suppressed. >> Uh which is another huge problem >> Uh which is another huge problem >> Uh which is another huge problem depending upon which data source you depending upon which data source you depending upon which data source you site. Iatrogenic injury. So these are site. Iatrogenic injury. So these are site. Iatrogenic injury. So these are medical uh errors or these are injuries medical uh errors or these are injuries medical uh errors or these are injuries caused by medical treatment. iatrogenic caused by medical treatment. iatrogenic caused by medical treatment. iatrogenic injury is either the third or the first injury is either the third or the first injury is either the third or the first leading cause of death in the United leading cause of death in the United leading cause of death in the United States. You don't see it on the States. You don't see it on the States. You don't see it on the leaderboard when they say, "Hey, these leaderboard when they say, "Hey, these leaderboard when they say, "Hey, these are the te top 10, you know, leading are the te top 10, you know, leading are the te top 10, you know, leading causes of death or something like that." causes of death or something like that." causes of death or something like that." They always delete medical errors or
2:28They always delete medical errors or They always delete medical errors or iatrogenic injury. But when you include iatrogenic injury. But when you include iatrogenic injury. But when you include it, it either shows up number one or it, it either shows up number one or it, it either shows up number one or number three depending upon which state number three depending upon which state number three depending upon which state or which data set you or which data set you or which data set you >> mean. So, it's one of those fancy words >> mean. So, it's one of those fancy words >> mean. So, it's one of those fancy words that I had to learn because we don't that I had to learn because we don't that I had to learn because we don't learn. learn. learn. >> We could look up the etmology of >> We could look up the etmology of >> We could look up the etmology of iatrogenic. iatrogenic. iatrogenic. >> iatrogenic. >> iatrogenic. >> iatrogenic. >> Yeah. I can hardly pronounce it when I'm >> Yeah. I can hardly pronounce it when I'm >> Yeah. I can hardly pronounce it when I'm like recording for my audio books. It's like recording for my audio books. It's like recording for my audio books. It's very embarrassing. So, we can just say very embarrassing. So, we can just say very embarrassing. So, we can just say medical injury and that can result from medical injury and that can result from medical injury and that can result from surgical errors, uh pharmaceutical surgical errors, uh pharmaceutical surgical errors, uh pharmaceutical interactions that people weren't aware interactions that people weren't aware interactions that people weren't aware of, accidental overdoses, prescribing of, accidental overdoses, prescribing of, accidental overdoses, prescribing the wrong drug to the wrong person, the wrong drug to the wrong person, the wrong drug to the wrong person, being unaware of um medical allergies. being unaware of um medical allergies. being unaware of um medical allergies. >> That's from Greek >> That's from Greek >> That's from Greek >> physician. The Greek word iatros >> physician. The Greek word iatros >> physician. The Greek word iatros >> producing. So, iatrogenic physician or >> producing. So, iatrogenic physician or >> producing. So, iatrogenic physician or healer. healer. healer. >> Yeah. Produced by a physician. Wow. >> Yeah. Produced by a physician. Wow. >> Yeah. Produced by a physician. Wow. Yeah. We were just talking about this Yeah. We were just talking about this Yeah. We were just talking about this the other day, how it's like the number the other day, how it's like the number the other day, how it's like the number two cause of death in the US. two cause of death in the US. two cause of death in the US. >> Yep. You want to make America >> Yep. You want to make America >> Yep. You want to make America >> avoid surgery at all costs. >> avoid surgery at all costs. >> avoid surgery at all costs. >> I wouldn't say that. Um, look, you're in
2:29>> I wouldn't say that. Um, look, you're in >> I wouldn't say that. Um, look, you're in a car crash. I want an ambulance. a car crash. I want an ambulance. a car crash. I want an ambulance. >> Oh, well, I mean, you have no choice. >> Oh, well, I mean, you have no choice. >> Oh, well, I mean, you have no choice. >> It's true. And they cannot deny you >> It's true. And they cannot deny you >> It's true. And they cannot deny you emergency care regardless of your emergency care regardless of your emergency care regardless of your insurance status. Those people are going insurance status. Those people are going insurance status. Those people are going to get treated for their broken bones. to get treated for their broken bones. to get treated for their broken bones. They're going to get blood transfusions. They're going to get blood transfusions. They're going to get blood transfusions. they're going to get the emergency they're going to get the emergency they're going to get the emergency treatment that they need. And nothing in treatment that they need. And nothing in treatment that they need. And nothing in Marty's book is criticizing emergency Marty's book is criticizing emergency Marty's book is criticizing emergency medicine or this acute care. It is medicine or this acute care. It is medicine or this acute care. It is chronic illness that is the problem in chronic illness that is the problem in chronic illness that is the problem in our country. And so you say you need a our country. And so you say you need a our country. And so you say you need a new pediatrician. And I'm like, but do new pediatrician. And I'm like, but do new pediatrician. And I'm like, but do you you you >> do you really? >> do you really? >> do you really? >> Right. >> Right. >> Now, mom is probably like, we have to >> Now, mom is probably like, we have to >> Now, mom is probably like, we have to have a pediatrician, you know, just in have a pediatrician, you know, just in have a pediatrician, you know, just in case, right? Um, as a dad, I'm like, case, right? Um, as a dad, I'm like, case, right? Um, as a dad, I'm like, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> you know, is anything broken? >> you know, is anything broken? >> you know, is anything broken? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, why do I got to take my >> You know, why do I got to take my >> You know, why do I got to take my healthy kid, right, healthy kid, right, healthy kid, right, >> to like the kid will let me know? >> to like the kid will let me know? >> to like the kid will let me know? >> Yeah, that's true, >> Yeah, that's true, >> Yeah, that's true, >> right? >> right? >> That's a good point. >> That's a good point. >> That's a good point. >> Well, Thomas, thank you so much for >> Well, Thomas, thank you so much for >> Well, Thomas, thank you so much for doing this, man. Pleasure. This has been doing this, man. Pleasure. This has been doing this, man. Pleasure. This has been amazing. amazing. amazing. >> I'm so glad you invited me. >> I'm so glad you invited me. >> I'm so glad you invited me. >> Um, what tell me about the uh what's >> Um, what tell me about the uh what's >> Um, what tell me about the uh what's next? What the f what's the future of
2:30next? What the f what's the future of next? What the f what's the future of Morasco Forge? Morasco Forge? Morasco Forge? >> Morasco right now, Forge is an ice bath >> Morasco right now, Forge is an ice bath >> Morasco right now, Forge is an ice bath company, and that's wonderful. And the company, and that's wonderful. And the company, and that's wonderful. And the world needs more than ice baths. The the world needs more than ice baths. The the world needs more than ice baths. The the the knowledge crisis in this country is the knowledge crisis in this country is the knowledge crisis in this country is nobody knows who to believe. I mean, nobody knows who to believe. I mean, nobody knows who to believe. I mean, should you take advice from Peter Aia or should you take advice from Peter Aia or should you take advice from Peter Aia or Brian Johnson or should you do Brian Johnson or should you do Brian Johnson or should you do everything Gary Brea tells you to do? everything Gary Brea tells you to do? everything Gary Brea tells you to do? It's ridiculous. should take my advice It's ridiculous. should take my advice It's ridiculous. should take my advice from Liver King. from Liver King. from Liver King. >> Exactly right. >> Exactly right. >> Exactly right. Saladino because Liver King and Saladino Saladino because Liver King and Saladino Saladino because Liver King and Saladino were in business. And after Liver King were in business. And after Liver King were in business. And after Liver King was caught doing steroids, as if there was caught doing steroids, as if there was caught doing steroids, as if there was any doubt, Saladino has to go on was any doubt, Saladino has to go on was any doubt, Saladino has to go on YouTube and say, "I didn't know. You YouTube and say, "I didn't know. You YouTube and say, "I didn't know. You know, I thought he was totally natural. know, I thought he was totally natural. know, I thought he was totally natural. I'm a medical doctor." But come on, the I'm a medical doctor." But come on, the I'm a medical doctor." But come on, the guy's a clown. And that's the way social guy's a clown. And that's the way social guy's a clown. And that's the way social media works is you must be entertaining media works is you must be entertaining media works is you must be entertaining to have any kind of audience. So this to have any kind of audience. So this to have any kind of audience. So this leaves the viewers leaves the viewers leaves the viewers >> with a serious problem. Who do you >> with a serious problem. Who do you >> with a serious problem. Who do you watch? Who do you listen to? What's the
2:31watch? Who do you listen to? What's the watch? Who do you listen to? What's the credibility of the information that credibility of the information that credibility of the information that you're getting? you're getting? you're getting? >> So people need more than just good >> So people need more than just good >> So people need more than just good information about ice baths. They need information about ice baths. They need information about ice baths. They need more they need reliable health more they need reliable health more they need reliable health information and need technologies that information and need technologies that information and need technologies that going to help them heal. So, in IceBaz, going to help them heal. So, in IceBaz, going to help them heal. So, in IceBaz, we kind of have that down. I wish Marty we kind of have that down. I wish Marty we kind of have that down. I wish Marty would issue a cease and desist letters would issue a cease and desist letters would issue a cease and desist letters to the to the to the >> Seems like she's having fun. >> Seems like she's having fun. >> Seems like she's having fun. >> That's Shayla. Shayla is a bodybuilder. >> That's Shayla. Shayla is a bodybuilder. >> That's Shayla. Shayla is a bodybuilder. She has been using Morasco for like She has been using Morasco for like She has been using Morasco for like three or four years. three or four years. three or four years. >> Um, this is another model that we hired. >> Um, this is another model that we hired. >> Um, this is another model that we hired. She's a mom. She's a mom. She's a mom. >> Uh, this is Alex Blue. Alex Blue is a >> Uh, this is Alex Blue. Alex Blue is a >> Uh, this is Alex Blue. Alex Blue is a celebrity chef. He won Hell's Kitchen. celebrity chef. He won Hell's Kitchen. celebrity chef. He won Hell's Kitchen. So, I'm just taking you through the the So, I'm just taking you through the the So, I'm just taking you through the the video on the Morasco screen. Um, we also video on the Morasco screen. Um, we also video on the Morasco screen. Um, we also have our employees are in the ice bath have our employees are in the ice bath have our employees are in the ice bath all the time and they're not gorgeous. all the time and they're not gorgeous. all the time and they're not gorgeous. Uh, and I don't have abs, so I don't go Uh, and I don't have abs, so I don't go Uh, and I don't have abs, so I don't go on the homepage. Um, but we all do what on the homepage. Um, but we all do what on the homepage. Um, but we all do what we preach. we preach. we preach. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> The next thing from Rosco is a mineral
2:32>> The next thing from Rosco is a mineral >> The next thing from Rosco is a mineral bath. There are hot tubs all over this bath. There are hot tubs all over this bath. There are hot tubs all over this country and they feel great, but they country and they feel great, but they country and they feel great, but they make you sick. There's three things make you sick. There's three things make you sick. There's three things wrong with them. Uh, for the most part, wrong with them. Uh, for the most part, wrong with them. Uh, for the most part, you can't put minerals in them. The you can't put minerals in them. The you can't put minerals in them. The ocean has minerals. Every natural hot ocean has minerals. Every natural hot ocean has minerals. Every natural hot spring in the world is coming out of spring in the world is coming out of spring in the world is coming out of some ancient volcano and it's got plenty some ancient volcano and it's got plenty some ancient volcano and it's got plenty of minerals. It's part of the cubrious of minerals. It's part of the cubrious of minerals. It's part of the cubrious effect of the health of the hot spring effect of the health of the hot spring effect of the health of the hot spring is the minerals in the water. is the minerals in the water. is the minerals in the water. >> But your hot tub doesn't have minerals. >> But your hot tub doesn't have minerals. >> But your hot tub doesn't have minerals. It's got chlorinated florinated tap It's got chlorinated florinated tap It's got chlorinated florinated tap water. So that's one. water. So that's one. water. So that's one. >> The other one is the oxidation reduction >> The other one is the oxidation reduction >> The other one is the oxidation reduction potential. So this is some sophisticated potential. So this is some sophisticated potential. So this is some sophisticated water chemistry. But for your hot tub to water chemistry. But for your hot tub to water chemistry. But for your hot tub to stay clean, you got to put a bunch of stay clean, you got to put a bunch of stay clean, you got to put a bunch of chlorine that gives it an oxidative chlorine that gives it an oxidative chlorine that gives it an oxidative potential to kill the microorganisms. potential to kill the microorganisms. potential to kill the microorganisms. Every natural hotring in the world, I I Every natural hotring in the world, I I Every natural hotring in the world, I I might be exaggerating slightly, but when might be exaggerating slightly, but when might be exaggerating slightly, but when the water comes out of the volcanic the water comes out of the volcanic the water comes out of the volcanic ground, it is reductive. That is, it's ground, it is reductive. That is, it's ground, it is reductive. That is, it's not oxygenated. It is got a negative OP. not oxygenated. It is got a negative OP. not oxygenated. It is got a negative OP. That means instead of stealing
2:33That means instead of stealing That means instead of stealing electrons, it's ready to donate electrons, it's ready to donate electrons, it's ready to donate electrons. And it's typically the sulfur electrons. And it's typically the sulfur electrons. And it's typically the sulfur sulfate redux chemistry that controls sulfate redux chemistry that controls sulfate redux chemistry that controls the oxidation reduction potential or ORP the oxidation reduction potential or ORP the oxidation reduction potential or ORP of the water. So we want to make a of the water. So we want to make a of the water. So we want to make a chlorine free hot tub. We're using chlorine free hot tub. We're using chlorine free hot tub. We're using ozone. But to get that reduction, that ozone. But to get that reduction, that ozone. But to get that reduction, that negative OP, you can switch it to negative OP, you can switch it to negative OP, you can switch it to hydrogen. So you turn the ozone off, you hydrogen. So you turn the ozone off, you hydrogen. So you turn the ozone off, you turn the hydrogen on. 20 minutes later, turn the hydrogen on. 20 minutes later, turn the hydrogen on. 20 minutes later, the bath is full of hydrogen. There's the bath is full of hydrogen. There's the bath is full of hydrogen. There's Epsom salt, which is a sulfate salt, Epsom salt, which is a sulfate salt, Epsom salt, which is a sulfate salt, other minerals in there. So we solve the other minerals in there. So we solve the other minerals in there. So we solve the mineral problem. We solved the reduction mineral problem. We solved the reduction mineral problem. We solved the reduction problem. And then the third thing that's problem. And then the third thing that's problem. And then the third thing that's wrong with hot tubs is they're not wrong with hot tubs is they're not wrong with hot tubs is they're not grounded. You got your acrylic, your grounded. You got your acrylic, your grounded. You got your acrylic, your fiberglass tub. There's no grounding fiberglass tub. There's no grounding fiberglass tub. There's no grounding anywhere, which means you have no access anywhere, which means you have no access anywhere, which means you have no access to the electrons from the earth. But a to the electrons from the earth. But a to the electrons from the earth. But a Morasco, we call it the hydrogen mineral Morasco, we call it the hydrogen mineral Morasco, we call it the hydrogen mineral bath. I don't even know what to call it, bath. I don't even know what to call it, bath. I don't even know what to call it, Danny, but if you if you look for the Danny, but if you if you look for the Danny, but if you if you look for the Morasco mineral bath, you'll find it. Morasco mineral bath, you'll find it. Morasco mineral bath, you'll find it. It's hot 104 degrees. It has hydrogen. It's hot 104 degrees. It has hydrogen. It's hot 104 degrees. It has hydrogen. It's grounded, and you can put all the It's grounded, and you can put all the It's grounded, and you can put all the sulfate minerals in it that you want. sulfate minerals in it that you want.
2:34sulfate minerals in it that you want. >> Is there a picture of it on there? >> Is there a picture of it on there? >> Is there a picture of it on there? >> Uh, you can find it online, Steve. You >> Uh, you can find it online, Steve. You >> Uh, you can find it online, Steve. You go to Morasco, you go to our shop page, go to Morasco, you go to our shop page, go to Morasco, you go to our shop page, >> Morasco hydrogen mineral bath, >> Morasco hydrogen mineral bath, >> Morasco hydrogen mineral bath, >> something like that. I should probably >> something like that. I should probably >> something like that. I should probably know, you know, my own product, but go know, you know, my own product, but go know, you know, my own product, but go all the way over to the right, you'll all the way over to the right, you'll all the way over to the right, you'll see a button called shop. You hit that see a button called shop. You hit that see a button called shop. You hit that and then uh there it is. Morocco and then uh there it is. Morocco and then uh there it is. Morocco hydrogen mineral bath. hydrogen mineral bath. hydrogen mineral bath. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> The first one ships next week. It's >> The first one ships next week. It's >> The first one ships next week. It's going to Noah Synergard, who used to going to Noah Synergard, who used to going to Noah Synergard, who used to pitch for the Mets, and now he's like a pitch for the Mets, and now he's like a pitch for the Mets, and now he's like a big maha guy. And so you can see it has big maha guy. And so you can see it has big maha guy. And so you can see it has this barrel stave look and it kind of it this barrel stave look and it kind of it this barrel stave look and it kind of it looks like a boat in some ways. Um looks like a boat in some ways. Um looks like a boat in some ways. Um because you got the tub and then you because you got the tub and then you because you got the tub and then you have a trunk and you have a hood and have a trunk and you have a hood and have a trunk and you have a hood and that's where the mechanical equipment is that's where the mechanical equipment is that's where the mechanical equipment is contained. contained. contained. >> See, I kind of wish I had a hot tub >> See, I kind of wish I had a hot tub >> See, I kind of wish I had a hot tub instead of a sauna cuz then you don't instead of a sauna cuz then you don't instead of a sauna cuz then you don't cook your head. cook your head. cook your head. >> No, you don't. Uh I'll tell you why for >> No, you don't. Uh I'll tell you why for >> No, you don't. Uh I'll tell you why for two reasons. The first one is this thing two reasons. The first one is this thing two reasons. The first one is this thing is incredibly expensive. Um like it's in is incredibly expensive. Um like it's in is incredibly expensive. Um like it's in Noah's budget. He he's he texted me and
2:35Noah's budget. He he's he texted me and Noah's budget. He he's he texted me and he's like, "Can't you make a hot tub?" he's like, "Can't you make a hot tub?" he's like, "Can't you make a hot tub?" And I said, "Well, you know, it's been And I said, "Well, you know, it's been And I said, "Well, you know, it's been on our road map." Yeah. on our road map." Yeah. on our road map." Yeah. >> Right. The retail price $50,000 >> Right. The retail price $50,000 >> Right. The retail price $50,000 only. only. only. >> Let's see some more pictures. >> Let's see some more pictures. >> Let's see some more pictures. >> People like Noah can do it right now. >> People like Noah can do it right now. >> People like Noah can do it right now. >> There's a a video of me in the >> There's a a video of me in the >> There's a a video of me in the prototype. Um, all right. So, we have prototype. Um, all right. So, we have prototype. Um, all right. So, we have here's customer and his wife. Uh, they here's customer and his wife. Uh, they here's customer and his wife. Uh, they came over, they got in the hot tub. You came over, they got in the hot tub. You came over, they got in the hot tub. You can see we have the green light in there can see we have the green light in there can see we have the green light in there for calming. And in that video, I start for calming. And in that video, I start for calming. And in that video, I start trying to explain things, but we will trying to explain things, but we will trying to explain things, but we will have better media next week because have better media next week because have better media next week because we're going to uh video record the crap we're going to uh video record the crap we're going to uh video record the crap out of our hot tub before we ship it to out of our hot tub before we ship it to out of our hot tub before we ship it to Noah. Noah. Noah. >> And why don't I want a hot tub versus a >> And why don't I want a hot tub versus a >> And why don't I want a hot tub versus a sauna, though. I mean, I think I do. sauna, though. I mean, I think I do. sauna, though. I mean, I think I do. >> Uh I'm the worst salesman. Like, >> Uh I'm the worst salesman. Like, >> Uh I'm the worst salesman. Like, whatever. I should be trying to talk you whatever. I should be trying to talk you whatever. I should be trying to talk you into this. I should say to my sales into this. I should say to my sales into this. I should say to my sales director, Scott, we got a new lead. Um director, Scott, we got a new lead. Um director, Scott, we got a new lead. Um but the sauna and the hot tubing are but the sauna and the hot tubing are but the sauna and the hot tubing are different. different. different. >> When you get into the sauna, you get
2:36>> When you get into the sauna, you get >> When you get into the sauna, you get vaso dilation. vaso dilation. vaso dilation. >> The principal way that you cool your >> The principal way that you cool your >> The principal way that you cool your body is to sweat. And so your body will body is to sweat. And so your body will body is to sweat. And so your body will open up the blood vessels and bring the open up the blood vessels and bring the open up the blood vessels and bring the blood to the surface of your skin where blood to the surface of your skin where blood to the surface of your skin where the evaporation of your sweat will cool the evaporation of your sweat will cool the evaporation of your sweat will cool the blood. That's vasoddilation via the blood. That's vasoddilation via the blood. That's vasoddilation via sweating. When you get into the hot tub, sweating. When you get into the hot tub, sweating. When you get into the hot tub, your body knows that you can't sweat your body knows that you can't sweat your body knows that you can't sweat into the water. The only parts of you into the water. The only parts of you into the water. The only parts of you are sweating are like your head or if are sweating are like your head or if are sweating are like your head or if your arms are out. They will sweat. But your arms are out. They will sweat. But your arms are out. They will sweat. But there's a principle called hydromeiosis there's a principle called hydromeiosis there's a principle called hydromeiosis which Google thinks is a spelling error. which Google thinks is a spelling error. which Google thinks is a spelling error. You know, everything that is saturated You know, everything that is saturated You know, everything that is saturated with water cannot sweat. So to defend with water cannot sweat. So to defend with water cannot sweat. So to defend your body from the heat in the hot tub, your body from the heat in the hot tub, your body from the heat in the hot tub, you will get vasoc constriction. Really you will get vasoc constriction. Really you will get vasoc constriction. Really ice bath vasoc constriction. In the hot ice bath vasoc constriction. In the hot ice bath vasoc constriction. In the hot tub, vaso constriction. So I'll tell you tub, vaso constriction. So I'll tell you tub, vaso constriction. So I'll tell you why the hot tub is good. But for thermal why the hot tub is good. But for thermal why the hot tub is good. But for thermal contrast therapy, sauna, dry heat, contrast therapy, sauna, dry heat, contrast therapy, sauna, dry heat, >> wet cold. Got it. >> wet cold. Got it. >> wet cold. Got it. >> And that will be the smooth muscle >> And that will be the smooth muscle >> And that will be the smooth muscle workout. Maximize your cardiovascular workout. Maximize your cardiovascular workout. Maximize your cardiovascular benefits. Sounds great.
2:37benefits. Sounds great. benefits. Sounds great. >> Hot tubs, um, they're relaxing. They're >> Hot tubs, um, they're relaxing. They're >> Hot tubs, um, they're relaxing. They're they're good in some other ways. they're good in some other ways. they're good in some other ways. >> The whirlpool was invented by an Italian >> The whirlpool was invented by an Italian >> The whirlpool was invented by an Italian American. He was an immigrant named American. He was an immigrant named American. He was an immigrant named Jacuzzi. You probably It's a very famous Jacuzzi. You probably It's a very famous Jacuzzi. You probably It's a very famous brand, right? brand, right? brand, right? >> Sounds familiar. >> Sounds familiar. >> Sounds familiar. >> Yeah. So, he had a son with rheumatoid >> Yeah. So, he had a son with rheumatoid >> Yeah. So, he had a son with rheumatoid arthritis and the kid was young. He was arthritis and the kid was young. He was arthritis and the kid was young. He was like 3 years old or something. I forget like 3 years old or something. I forget like 3 years old or something. I forget exactly, but his preschool age. And he exactly, but his preschool age. And he exactly, but his preschool age. And he discovered that a hot bath with a discovered that a hot bath with a discovered that a hot bath with a whirlpool jet would give his son some whirlpool jet would give his son some whirlpool jet would give his son some relief from pain. So instead of driving relief from pain. So instead of driving relief from pain. So instead of driving 45 minutes into this hospital in 45 minutes into this hospital in 45 minutes into this hospital in Berkeley, California to get his son Berkeley, California to get his son Berkeley, California to get his son regular treatments, he invented the regular treatments, he invented the regular treatments, he invented the Whirlpool jets so they could have hot Whirlpool jets so they could have hot Whirlpool jets so they could have hot water at home. Boom. The whole Jacuzzi water at home. Boom. The whole Jacuzzi water at home. Boom. The whole Jacuzzi brand is built upon what Jacuzzi brand is built upon what Jacuzzi brand is built upon what Jacuzzi invented to relieve his son's pain. It's invented to relieve his son's pain. It's invented to relieve his son's pain. It's a wonderful story. Well, the jacuzzi was a wonderful story. Well, the jacuzzi was a wonderful story. Well, the jacuzzi was operating at a different time, you know, operating at a different time, you know, operating at a different time, you know, in the 50s and the 60s. It wasn't seed in the 50s and the 60s. It wasn't seed in the 50s and the 60s. It wasn't seed oils and it wasn't like chronic oils and it wasn't like chronic oils and it wasn't like chronic oxidative stress, oxidative stress, oxidative stress, >> right?
2:38>> right? >> The ice bath does different things in >> The ice bath does different things in >> The ice bath does different things in the hot tub. The ice bath revs up your the hot tub. The ice bath revs up your the hot tub. The ice bath revs up your metabolism. The hot tub doesn't do that. metabolism. The hot tub doesn't do that. metabolism. The hot tub doesn't do that. People who do regular ice baths do not People who do regular ice baths do not People who do regular ice baths do not suffer from chronic oxidative stress. It suffer from chronic oxidative stress. It suffer from chronic oxidative stress. It relieves the pain of rheumatoid relieves the pain of rheumatoid relieves the pain of rheumatoid arthritis. Like Jacuzzi could have done arthritis. Like Jacuzzi could have done arthritis. Like Jacuzzi could have done the same thing, but refrigeration is a the same thing, but refrigeration is a the same thing, but refrigeration is a lot harder to invent than a whirlpool lot harder to invent than a whirlpool lot harder to invent than a whirlpool pump that you put into a regular tub. pump that you put into a regular tub. pump that you put into a regular tub. >> People now do not get the same benefits >> People now do not get the same benefits >> People now do not get the same benefits from the hot tub as Jacuzzi's kid used from the hot tub as Jacuzzi's kid used from the hot tub as Jacuzzi's kid used to because they have suffer from to because they have suffer from to because they have suffer from different health states. different health states. different health states. >> If you ice bath all the time, you don't >> If you ice bath all the time, you don't >> If you ice bath all the time, you don't suffer from those conditions. But not suffer from those conditions. But not suffer from those conditions. But not everybody's going to get into an ice everybody's going to get into an ice everybody's going to get into an ice bath. like your wife who hopefully your bath. like your wife who hopefully your bath. like your wife who hopefully your son is going to talk her into it, right? son is going to talk her into it, right? son is going to talk her into it, right? But a lot of women out there are like, But a lot of women out there are like, But a lot of women out there are like, "You'll never catch me in one of those "You'll never catch me in one of those "You'll never catch me in one of those things." Those people can get many of things." Those people can get many of things." Those people can get many of the same benefits that is relief from the same benefits that is relief from the same benefits that is relief from chronic oxidative stress, reduction of chronic oxidative stress, reduction of chronic oxidative stress, reduction of inflammation in a hot tub, as long as inflammation in a hot tub, as long as inflammation in a hot tub, as long as the hot tub is grounded, gets the the hot tub is grounded, gets the the hot tub is grounded, gets the minerals are great, they feel good,
2:39minerals are great, they feel good, minerals are great, they feel good, they're good for muscle soreness, they're good for muscle soreness, they're good for muscle soreness, >> and has hydrogen. So, I disagree with >> and has hydrogen. So, I disagree with >> and has hydrogen. So, I disagree with Gary Brea on uh some things. I think Gary Brea on uh some things. I think Gary Brea on uh some things. I think he's exaggerating when he says, you he's exaggerating when he says, you he's exaggerating when he says, you know, hydrogen therapy is the single know, hydrogen therapy is the single know, hydrogen therapy is the single most underrated biohack that anybody can most underrated biohack that anybody can most underrated biohack that anybody can do. But that doesn't mean he's wrong. do. But that doesn't mean he's wrong. do. But that doesn't mean he's wrong. There are benefits to hydrogen therapy. There are benefits to hydrogen therapy. There are benefits to hydrogen therapy. When you get into a hot tub with When you get into a hot tub with When you get into a hot tub with hydrogen bubbles in it, that hydrogen hydrogen bubbles in it, that hydrogen hydrogen bubbles in it, that hydrogen will be absorbed through your skin. It will be absorbed through your skin. It will be absorbed through your skin. It will relieve chronic oxidative stress. will relieve chronic oxidative stress. will relieve chronic oxidative stress. For those people who can't ice bath, For those people who can't ice bath, For those people who can't ice bath, boom, hydrogen bath is the way to go. boom, hydrogen bath is the way to go. boom, hydrogen bath is the way to go. And the best way to do that is in the And the best way to do that is in the And the best way to do that is in the heat. heat. heat. >> We might come out with a hydrogen oxygen >> We might come out with a hydrogen oxygen >> We might come out with a hydrogen oxygen for cold tub just because, you know, if for cold tub just because, you know, if for cold tub just because, you know, if Brea is going to keep talking about it, Brea is going to keep talking about it, Brea is going to keep talking about it, people are going to buy it, but I can't people are going to buy it, but I can't people are going to buy it, but I can't get behind like this super health get behind like this super health get behind like this super health benefit. benefit. benefit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, we're going in, you know, what's >> So, we're going in, you know, what's >> So, we're going in, you know, what's next from Rosco? We're going into hot next from Rosco? We're going into hot next from Rosco? We're going into hot tubs. We are going to do phototherapy. I tubs. We are going to do phototherapy. I tubs. We are going to do phototherapy. I was telling you about the green light was telling you about the green light was telling you about the green light green and um Alexis has me convinced
2:40green and um Alexis has me convinced green and um Alexis has me convinced like we have to fix light environments. like we have to fix light environments. like we have to fix light environments. The red light industry is really big. The red light industry is really big. The red light industry is really big. It's full of deceptive marketing It's full of deceptive marketing It's full of deceptive marketing practices. Lots of stuff there is practices. Lots of stuff there is practices. Lots of stuff there is overpriced, marked up from China. People overpriced, marked up from China. People overpriced, marked up from China. People don't really know what to buy. And I don't really know what to buy. And I don't really know what to buy. And I think the industry is just scratching think the industry is just scratching think the industry is just scratching the surface. I think it needs better the surface. I think it needs better the surface. I think it needs better science and better technology. And it science and better technology. And it science and better technology. And it needs to be combined with other needs to be combined with other needs to be combined with other wavelengths. We're going to get into wavelengths. We're going to get into wavelengths. We're going to get into that business this winter. What I want that business this winter. What I want that business this winter. What I want to be is a trustworthy provider of to be is a trustworthy provider of to be is a trustworthy provider of technology of machines that will be what technology of machines that will be what technology of machines that will be what we call the next best thing to nature. I we call the next best thing to nature. I we call the next best thing to nature. I would rather that you get out into the would rather that you get out into the would rather that you get out into the woods or you get into the Gulf. I would woods or you get into the Gulf. I would woods or you get into the Gulf. I would rather you go surfing than, you know, rather you go surfing than, you know, rather you go surfing than, you know, get into my ice bath. Your water's a get into my ice bath. Your water's a get into my ice bath. Your water's a little warm, but during the winter you little warm, but during the winter you little warm, but during the winter you can get some cold activation. Y can get some cold activation. Y can get some cold activation. Y >> the next best thing to being in nature >> the next best thing to being in nature >> the next best thing to being in nature is to be in a morasco. So I want to is to be in a morasco. So I want to is to be in a morasco. So I want to create the technologies for people like create the technologies for people like create the technologies for people like me, you know, who live in the urban
2:41me, you know, who live in the urban me, you know, who live in the urban environment who are disconnected from environment who are disconnected from environment who are disconnected from nature that help make up for that nature that help make up for that nature that help make up for that deficit. And I want people to think them deficit. And I want people to think them deficit. And I want people to think them that they're trustworthy. They're backed that they're trustworthy. They're backed that they're trustworthy. They're backed by science. You can read every single by science. You can read every single by science. You can read every single one of my articles for free online. You one of my articles for free online. You one of my articles for free online. You don't have to buy the book because it don't have to buy the book because it don't have to buy the book because it shows up online first anyway. But the shows up online first anyway. But the shows up online first anyway. But the book is good for people who you know book is good for people who you know book is good for people who you know like to write in it like I do. So if you like to write in it like I do. So if you like to write in it like I do. So if you want the hard copy you know you can get want the hard copy you know you can get want the hard copy you know you can get that from us too. Part of my role as a that from us too. Part of my role as a that from us too. Part of my role as a professor is to teach is to spread professor is to teach is to spread professor is to teach is to spread reliable knowledge. And that's why reliable knowledge. And that's why reliable knowledge. And that's why everything we do is predicated in everything we do is predicated in everything we do is predicated in science and experience. I I'm mortified science and experience. I I'm mortified science and experience. I I'm mortified by the idea that I might give somebody a by the idea that I might give somebody a by the idea that I might give somebody a finding or an experience that was finding or an experience that was finding or an experience that was harmful and incorrect. It's going to harmful and incorrect. It's going to harmful and incorrect. It's going to happen. I have a big mouth and I will happen. I have a big mouth and I will happen. I have a big mouth and I will make mistakes. And when that happens, make mistakes. And when that happens, make mistakes. And when that happens, you can point it out to me. I will fix you can point it out to me. I will fix you can point it out to me. I will fix it and I will get it right in the it and I will get it right in the it and I will get it right in the writings because there is an acute need
2:42writings because there is an acute need writings because there is an acute need for reliable I want to say unbiased, but for reliable I want to say unbiased, but for reliable I want to say unbiased, but I don't know if you can ever pull all I don't know if you can ever pull all I don't know if you can ever pull all the bias out. reliable information that the bias out. reliable information that the bias out. reliable information that works about health and I want Morasco to works about health and I want Morasco to works about health and I want Morasco to fill that need. fill that need. fill that need. >> That's amazing, man. Well, I mean, I'm I >> That's amazing, man. Well, I mean, I'm I >> That's amazing, man. Well, I mean, I'm I am the biggest fan of it. It's changed am the biggest fan of it. It's changed am the biggest fan of it. It's changed the game for me. I uh have one at my the game for me. I uh have one at my the game for me. I uh have one at my house and now at my new studio, so now house and now at my new studio, so now house and now at my new studio, so now all of our future guests are going to be all of our future guests are going to be all of our future guests are going to be able to take a dip in that ice plunge, able to take a dip in that ice plunge, able to take a dip in that ice plunge, which is fantastic. Especially when you which is fantastic. Especially when you which is fantastic. Especially when you get those freaking jets running in the get those freaking jets running in the get those freaking jets running in the in the plunge. Holy smokes. in the plunge. Holy smokes. in the plunge. Holy smokes. >> I like it when the bubbles are coming >> I like it when the bubbles are coming >> I like it when the bubbles are coming under my arms. under my arms. under my arms. >> Level. Oh, yeah. It's coming up my legs, >> Level. Oh, yeah. It's coming up my legs, >> Level. Oh, yeah. It's coming up my legs, under your arms. It's like, yeah, that under your arms. It's like, yeah, that under your arms. It's like, yeah, that that vertical plunge is next level, man. that vertical plunge is next level, man. that vertical plunge is next level, man. So, um, thank you for hooking it up. So, um, thank you for hooking it up. So, um, thank you for hooking it up. Thank you for coming down and doing Thank you for coming down and doing Thank you for coming down and doing this. And, uh, we'll link it down below this. And, uh, we'll link it down below this. And, uh, we'll link it down below for Morasco Forge, anyone who's for Morasco Forge, anyone who's for Morasco Forge, anyone who's interested. interested. interested. >> And, uh, thanks again, man. This was an >> And, uh, thanks again, man. This was an >> And, uh, thanks again, man. This was an honor. This was fun. Thank you, Danny. honor. This was fun. Thank you, Danny. honor. This was fun. Thank you, Danny. >> All right. Good night everybody.