00:00[Music] [Music] hi i'm daisy and i'm terry and this is hi i'm daisy and i'm terry and this is hi i'm daisy and i'm terry and this is the monday mindset podcast where we the monday mindset podcast where we the monday mindset podcast where we share things of interest to us and share things of interest to us and share things of interest to us and hopefully to you so let's get started hopefully to you so let's get started hopefully to you so let's get started with episode number 85. so it's daisy's turn to share something so it's daisy's turn to share something with us today as we start off this new with us today as we start off this new with us today as we start off this new year daisy what do you have for us year daisy what do you have for us year daisy what do you have for us well terry yes it's a new year happy new well terry yes it's a new year happy new well terry yes it's a new year happy new year it's not actually a new year while year it's not actually a new year while year it's not actually a new year while we're recording but we're recording but we're recording but we're not very good at the timeline we're not very good at the timeline we're not very good at the timeline usually are we but we both knew that usually are we but we both knew that usually are we but we both knew that this was going to be coming out in the this was going to be coming out in the this was going to be coming out in the new year so a very happy new year to you new year so a very happy new year to you new year so a very happy new year to you we're wearing our actress hats today and we're wearing our actress hats today and we're wearing our actress hats today and pretending it's already after january pretending it's already after january pretending it's already after january 1st
01:001st 1st you might remember you might remember you might remember before our pause and reflect episode before our pause and reflect episode before our pause and reflect episode back to the last episode i did i back to the last episode i did i back to the last episode i did i mentioned mentioned mentioned that there were a couple of things that that there were a couple of things that that there were a couple of things that i wanted to include that i knew i i wanted to include that i knew i i wanted to include that i knew i wouldn't be able to include because we wouldn't be able to include because we wouldn't be able to include because we didn't have enough time didn't have enough time didn't have enough time so this is kind of an over spill so this is kind of an over spill so this is kind of an over spill episode from the episode i did taking an episode from the episode i did taking an episode from the episode i did taking an episode from the hubermann lab podcast episode from the hubermann lab podcast episode from the hubermann lab podcast with andrew huberman of course with andrew huberman of course with andrew huberman of course number 46 time perception and number 46 time perception and number 46 time perception and entrainment entrainment entrainment and this was all about if you remember and this was all about if you remember and this was all about if you remember how we perceive time how we perceive time how we perceive time and the difference between and the difference between and the difference between not exactly dopamine versus serotonin not exactly dopamine versus serotonin not exactly dopamine versus serotonin but how they get involved and how that but how they get involved and how that but how they get involved and how that influences how we perceive time so with influences how we perceive time so with influences how we perceive time so with dopamine it's the fine slicing of time dopamine it's the fine slicing of time dopamine it's the fine slicing of time when we see things in more detail more when we see things in more detail more when we see things in more detail more slow motion and serotonin is more when
02:00slow motion and serotonin is more when slow motion and serotonin is more when we more batch time and it's less we more batch time and it's less we more batch time and it's less detailed and we talked a little bit detailed and we talked a little bit detailed and we talked a little bit about about about when it was the best time to focus on when it was the best time to focus on when it was the best time to focus on different tasks and because we tend to different tasks and because we tend to different tasks and because we tend to produce more dopamine in the mornings produce more dopamine in the mornings produce more dopamine in the mornings and more serotonin in the afternoons and more serotonin in the afternoons and more serotonin in the afternoons the mornings are a good time to do those the mornings are a good time to do those the mornings are a good time to do those sort of black and white thinking type sort of black and white thinking type sort of black and white thinking type tasks very focused work and the tasks very focused work and the tasks very focused work and the afternoons when serotonin is more afternoons when serotonin is more afternoons when serotonin is more dominant the more creative tasks merging dominant the more creative tasks merging dominant the more creative tasks merging of skills type of skills type of skills type tasks things like brainstorming and he tasks things like brainstorming and he tasks things like brainstorming and he talked if you remember talked if you remember talked if you remember about entrainment which is about entrainment which is about entrainment which is another way of saying how we match our another way of saying how we match our another way of saying how we match our internal and external rhythms and he internal and external rhythms and he internal and external rhythms and he went from circannual to circadian to went from circannual to circadian to went from circannual to circadian to altradian rhythms and that's where i altradian rhythms and that's where i altradian rhythms and that's where i ended up talking about these focused
03:00ended up talking about these focused ended up talking about these focused 90-minute work sessions this is taking 90-minute work sessions this is taking 90-minute work sessions this is taking advantage of these natural or tradion advantage of these natural or tradion advantage of these natural or tradion rhythms which is these 90-minute cycles rhythms which is these 90-minute cycles rhythms which is these 90-minute cycles that our lives tend to get split up into that our lives tend to get split up into that our lives tend to get split up into and i have been combining this with and i have been combining this with and i have been combining this with looking back to that episode i did about looking back to that episode i did about looking back to that episode i did about standing up regularly and splitting standing up regularly and splitting standing up regularly and splitting those 90 minutes into two lots of 45 those 90 minutes into two lots of 45 those 90 minutes into two lots of 45 minutes with a standing up break in minutes with a standing up break in minutes with a standing up break in between and in general actually i've between and in general actually i've between and in general actually i've been trying to stand up more and more been trying to stand up more and more been trying to stand up more and more regularly regularly regularly but but but he spoke about as he spoke about as he spoke about as a part of this episode towards the end a part of this episode towards the end a part of this episode towards the end and my ears always prick up when he and my ears always prick up when he and my ears always prick up when he talks about cold exposure talks about cold exposure talks about cold exposure and you've mentioned before i think from and you've mentioned before i think from and you've mentioned before i think from another one of his episodes in one of another one of his episodes in one of another one of his episodes in one of the episodes that you did and you were the episodes that you did and you were the episodes that you did and you were talking about talking about talking about dopamine and pain i think and you dopamine and pain i think and you dopamine and pain i think and you mentioned mentioned the effects of that in relation to cold the effects of that in relation to cold the effects of that in relation to cold water exposure water exposure water exposure so he talks again about cold water
04:00so he talks again about cold water so he talks again about cold water exposure is you know one of his things exposure is you know one of his things exposure is you know one of his things one of his bio hacking things that he one of his bio hacking things that he one of his bio hacking things that he really gets behind so he just ran really gets behind so he just ran really gets behind so he just ran briefly through some of the benefits it briefly through some of the benefits it briefly through some of the benefits it helps to increase brown fat stores gives helps to increase brown fat stores gives helps to increase brown fat stores gives us better metabolic health and it us better metabolic health and it us better metabolic health and it increases increases increases dopamine and the effects from this can dopamine and the effects from this can dopamine and the effects from this can be quite long lasting be quite long lasting be quite long lasting now in relation to this episode now in relation to this episode now in relation to this episode he talked about it he talked about it he talked about it the cold water exposure how it changes the cold water exposure how it changes the cold water exposure how it changes our perception of time our perception of time our perception of time and in this case and in this case and in this case the frame rate we see things the frame rate we see things the frame rate we see things goes up because it goes up with pain and goes up because it goes up with pain and goes up because it goes up with pain and with dopamine increase with dopamine increase with dopamine increase so again it's circling back to the same so again it's circling back to the same so again it's circling back to the same sort of thing but just from a slightly sort of thing but just from a slightly sort of thing but just from a slightly different angle and he says people in different angle and he says people in different angle and he says people in relation to cold water exposure tend to relation to cold water exposure tend to relation to cold water exposure tend to deal with that pain in different ways he deal with that pain in different ways he deal with that pain in different ways he says you either lean into it or you try
05:00says you either lean into it or you try says you either lean into it or you try to distract yourself from it and this is to distract yourself from it and this is to distract yourself from it and this is where i've found it really interesting where i've found it really interesting where i've found it really interesting because because of this increase in because because of this increase in because because of this increase in dopamine you are fine slicing time so dopamine you are fine slicing time so dopamine you are fine slicing time so you're seeing things experiencing things you're seeing things experiencing things you're seeing things experiencing things in detail in detail in detail almost in slow motion almost in slow motion almost in slow motion and again he talks about this has quite and again he talks about this has quite and again he talks about this has quite a nice longer lasting effect so it's not a nice longer lasting effect so it's not a nice longer lasting effect so it's not just what's happening in the moment the just what's happening in the moment the just what's happening in the moment the benefits you get in the moment but that benefits you get in the moment but that benefits you get in the moment but that you know these effects can stay with you you know these effects can stay with you you know these effects can stay with you for the rest of the day for the rest of the day for the rest of the day and the timing of it can be really good and the timing of it can be really good and the timing of it can be really good if you want to harness that increase in if you want to harness that increase in if you want to harness that increase in dopamine and this is why i went on to dopamine and this is why i went on to dopamine and this is why i went on to starting to do some of this focused work starting to do some of this focused work starting to do some of this focused work in the mornings but bringing it forward in the mornings but bringing it forward in the mornings but bringing it forward a bit if you remember i would come back a bit if you remember i would come back a bit if you remember i would come back after my walk with the dogs and have after my walk with the dogs and have after my walk with the dogs and have breakfast but i've pushed that not every breakfast but i've pushed that not every breakfast but i've pushed that not every day depends what i want to be doing but day depends what i want to be doing but day depends what i want to be doing but push that back and slotting that focused
06:00push that back and slotting that focused push that back and slotting that focused work in work in work in immediately after a dog walk so not long immediately after a dog walk so not long immediately after a dog walk so not long after i've been in the sea and had that after i've been in the sea and had that after i've been in the sea and had that slight dopamine increase from the cold slight dopamine increase from the cold slight dopamine increase from the cold water exposure water exposure and i've noticed for a long time that i and i've noticed for a long time that i and i've noticed for a long time that i felt generally a lot more present felt generally a lot more present felt generally a lot more present in the mornings and i think you know in the mornings and i think you know in the mornings and i think you know this is partly down to this is partly down to this is partly down to the timing of these things so i just you the timing of these things so i just you the timing of these things so i just you know it's something to think about if know it's something to think about if know it's something to think about if you've you've you've been playing around with a cold water been playing around with a cold water been playing around with a cold water exposure maybe you know you're into cold exposure maybe you know you're into cold exposure maybe you know you're into cold showers well mornings are quite often showers well mornings are quite often showers well mornings are quite often the natural time that you would do that the natural time that you would do that the natural time that you would do that but as you know when i started swimming but as you know when i started swimming but as you know when i started swimming i was doing it all sorts of different i was doing it all sorts of different i was doing it all sorts of different times of the day but i've noticed a huge times of the day but i've noticed a huge times of the day but i've noticed a huge difference in moving it to that very difference in moving it to that very difference in moving it to that very early morning slot almost straight away early morning slot almost straight away early morning slot almost straight away actually i just felt general actually i just felt general actually i just felt general benefits from that benefits from that benefits from that and he did just mention one thing about
07:00and he did just mention one thing about and he did just mention one thing about this do you lean into the quote unquote this do you lean into the quote unquote this do you lean into the quote unquote pain of the cold water exposure or do pain of the cold water exposure or do pain of the cold water exposure or do you want to distract yourself from it you want to distract yourself from it you want to distract yourself from it and i'm actually one of these people who and i'm actually one of these people who and i'm actually one of these people who leans into it i don't quite know what leans into it i don't quite know what leans into it i don't quite know what that says about me but he says if you're that says about me but he says if you're that says about me but he says if you're somebody who wants to distract yourself somebody who wants to distract yourself somebody who wants to distract yourself from it he says it can help to pay from it he says it can help to pay from it he says it can help to pay attention to an external cue of some attention to an external cue of some attention to an external cue of some kind and the example he uses is singing kind and the example he uses is singing kind and the example he uses is singing or music or music or music he says you can kind of divorce yourself he says you can kind of divorce yourself he says you can kind of divorce yourself a little bit from the sensations a little bit from the sensations a little bit from the sensations and that perception of time and that's and that perception of time and that's and that perception of time and that's partly why partly why partly why it kind of feels so intense because of it kind of feels so intense because of it kind of feels so intense because of this fine slicing of time this slow this fine slicing of time this slow this fine slicing of time this slow motion you really get to experience in motion you really get to experience in motion you really get to experience in detail just how bloody freezing cold the detail just how bloody freezing cold the detail just how bloody freezing cold the water is on your body and like i say water is on your body and like i say water is on your body and like i say some people lean into it some people try some people lean into it some people try some people lean into it some people try and distract and funnily enough i've and distract and funnily enough i've and distract and funnily enough i've heard this is what some people do when heard this is what some people do when heard this is what some people do when they go into the water i hear them they go into the water i hear them they go into the water i hear them singing at the top of their voice and so
08:00singing at the top of their voice and so singing at the top of their voice and so that's obviously what they're trying to that's obviously what they're trying to that's obviously what they're trying to do is just to distract themselves do is just to distract themselves do is just to distract themselves from that pain and i'm sure probably out from that pain and i'm sure probably out from that pain and i'm sure probably out there there is probably some studies there there is probably some studies there there is probably some studies when it comes to uh maybe when it comes when it comes to uh maybe when it comes when it comes to uh maybe when it comes to things like s m i mean we can to things like s m i mean we can to things like s m i mean we can this whole pleasure pain thing you this whole pleasure pain thing you this whole pleasure pain thing you mentioned i think we touched on that mentioned i think we touched on that mentioned i think we touched on that before i'm sure there are some studies before i'm sure there are some studies before i'm sure there are some studies out there but cold water exposure is a out there but cold water exposure is a out there but cold water exposure is a bit of a safer topic bit of a safer topic bit of a safer topic but but the point is i guess the the potential the point is i guess the the potential the point is i guess the the potential benefits you can get benefits you can get benefits you can get from from from like i say sort of quote unquote pain like i say sort of quote unquote pain like i say sort of quote unquote pain but this but this but this knock-on knock-on knock-on increased dopamine and more of a increased dopamine and more of a increased dopamine and more of a pleasurable benefit from it pleasurable benefit from it pleasurable benefit from it and this takes me to an article i read and this takes me to an article i read and this takes me to an article i read an interesting article from an interesting article from an interesting article from anna lemke's book anna lemke's book anna lemke's book entitled dopamine nation entitled dopamine nation entitled dopamine nation finding balance in the age of indulgence
09:00finding balance in the age of indulgence finding balance in the age of indulgence and this is from a newsletter i get from and this is from a newsletter i get from and this is from a newsletter i get from the nextbigideaclub.com the nextbigideaclub.com the nextbigideaclub.com website website website and it was five key insights or and it was five key insights or and it was five key insights or something to a book and it was really something to a book and it was really something to a book and it was really just the first insight that she was just the first insight that she was just the first insight that she was talking about she talks about dopamine talking about she talks about dopamine talking about she talks about dopamine as a sort of pleasure pain seesaw and as a sort of pleasure pain seesaw and as a sort of pleasure pain seesaw and she says we're always our bodies are she says we're always our bodies are she says we're always our bodies are always trying to find the balance trying always trying to find the balance trying always trying to find the balance trying to reach homeostasis to reach homeostasis to reach homeostasis and the way she sees it is that there and the way she sees it is that there and the way she sees it is that there are these mischievous little gremlins are these mischievous little gremlins are these mischievous little gremlins which they pile on the opposite side to which they pile on the opposite side to which they pile on the opposite side to try and write the balance so if you're try and write the balance so if you're try and write the balance so if you're getting pleasure from something they hop getting pleasure from something they hop getting pleasure from something they hop on the opposite side the pain side but on the opposite side the pain side but on the opposite side the pain side but because they're a bit naughty they because they're a bit naughty they because they're a bit naughty they always go a little bit too far always go a little bit too far always go a little bit too far before that seesaw writes itself so you before that seesaw writes itself so you before that seesaw writes itself so you get a hit of what is on the other side get a hit of what is on the other side get a hit of what is on the other side of the seesaw before it comes back to
10:00of the seesaw before it comes back to of the seesaw before it comes back to level and she said the problem with that level and she said the problem with that level and she said the problem with that is that the more hits you get on one is that the more hits you get on one is that the more hits you get on one side the more counter hits you get from side the more counter hits you get from side the more counter hits you get from the other side and also that the longer the other side and also that the longer the other side and also that the longer it takes to get back to normal and this it takes to get back to normal and this it takes to get back to normal and this is how we get into these addictive is how we get into these addictive is how we get into these addictive cycles and we tend to need more and more cycles and we tend to need more and more cycles and we tend to need more and more just to feel normal just to feel normal just to feel normal and she's and she's and she's talking about and you can probably get talking about and you can probably get talking about and you can probably get the idea from the the title of the book the idea from the the title of the book the idea from the the title of the book that we're just in this age of that we're just in this age of that we're just in this age of age of indulgence as she calls it and age of indulgence as she calls it and age of indulgence as she calls it and seeking too much from the dopamine side seeking too much from the dopamine side seeking too much from the dopamine side of the see-saw of the see-saw of the see-saw and it made me think of binge-watching and it made me think of binge-watching and it made me think of binge-watching television she actually used this as an television she actually used this as an television she actually used this as an example you know a typical it's unfair example you know a typical it's unfair example you know a typical it's unfair to name netflix you know anything to name netflix you know anything to name netflix you know anything applies but netflix has become so
11:00applies but netflix has become so applies but netflix has become so ubiquitous hasn't it maybe was it one of ubiquitous hasn't it maybe was it one of ubiquitous hasn't it maybe was it one of the the the first platforms that dumped the box sets first platforms that dumped the box sets first platforms that dumped the box sets all in one go maybe well that's why it's all in one go maybe well that's why it's all in one go maybe well that's why it's so associated with binge watching tv but so associated with binge watching tv but so associated with binge watching tv but and i can remember it just made me think and i can remember it just made me think and i can remember it just made me think of and i think i've talked to you about of and i think i've talked to you about of and i think i've talked to you about this this this i can feel that it's an addictive cycle i can feel that it's an addictive cycle i can feel that it's an addictive cycle that you get into when you find it it that you get into when you find it it that you get into when you find it it doesn't really apply to films does it doesn't really apply to films does it doesn't really apply to films does it but when it applies to these tv series but when it applies to these tv series but when it applies to these tv series that you can binge watch that you can binge watch that you can binge watch and you just have to watch the next and you just have to watch the next and you just have to watch the next installment and you can end up staying installment and you can end up staying installment and you can end up staying up late which you know has the knock-on up late which you know has the knock-on up late which you know has the knock-on effect of impacting your sleep but i can effect of impacting your sleep but i can effect of impacting your sleep but i can remember saying to you it feels remember saying to you it feels remember saying to you it feels uncomfortable it doesn't it's very very uncomfortable it doesn't it's very very uncomfortable it doesn't it's very very quickly it stops feeling pleasurable quickly it stops feeling pleasurable quickly it stops feeling pleasurable but but you can't seem to stop yourself doing it you can't seem to stop yourself doing it you can't seem to stop yourself doing it and it made me think of the difference and it made me think of the difference and it made me think of the difference between that
12:00between that between that and the good old days and the good old days and the good old days when things would come out weekly you when things would come out weekly you when things would come out weekly you know when you were watching on normal know when you were watching on normal know when you were watching on normal terrestrial tv and you had to wait a terrestrial tv and you had to wait a terrestrial tv and you had to wait a whole week or even more for the next whole week or even more for the next whole week or even more for the next installment of your favorite tv program installment of your favorite tv program installment of your favorite tv program and it was and it was and it was pleasurable in the pleasurable in the pleasurable in the painfulness of it the you know the painfulness of it the you know the painfulness of it the you know the anticipation and the longing you had to anticipation and the longing you had to anticipation and the longing you had to watch that next installment because you watch that next installment because you watch that next installment because you were probably left on a bit of a were probably left on a bit of a were probably left on a bit of a cliffhanger cliffhanger cliffhanger and it kind of feels good so there's and it kind of feels good so there's and it kind of feels good so there's this whole this mashing up of the this whole this mashing up of the this whole this mashing up of the pleasure and the pain and she was very pleasure and the pain and she was very pleasure and the pain and she was very much focusing on much focusing on much focusing on these hits of pleasure these hits of pleasure these hits of pleasure and the pain side of the seesaw as the and the pain side of the seesaw as the and the pain side of the seesaw as the the payment the payment the payment but less so of talking about it in the but less so of talking about it in the but less so of talking about it in the reverse but it got me to thinking about reverse but it got me to thinking about reverse but it got me to thinking about how it ties into and this is where it how it ties into and this is where it how it ties into and this is where it links into talking about the cold water links into talking about the cold water links into talking about the cold water exposure and actually harnessing how exposure and actually harnessing how exposure and actually harnessing how this works this works this works but from the other way around and using
13:00but from the other way around and using but from the other way around and using pain pain pain but a pain that's why i say quote but a pain that's why i say quote but a pain that's why i say quote unquote because a pain that's not really unquote because a pain that's not really unquote because a pain that's not really a pain it's not like a horrible pain a pain it's not like a horrible pain a pain it's not like a horrible pain like stubbing your toe but a sort of like stubbing your toe but a sort of like stubbing your toe but a sort of controlled pain and like the pain of controlled pain and like the pain of controlled pain and like the pain of waiting for the next installment there's waiting for the next installment there's waiting for the next installment there's some kind of thrill in it some kind of thrill in it some kind of thrill in it and getting the writing of the seesaw and getting the writing of the seesaw and getting the writing of the seesaw with these gremlins going down a bit too with these gremlins going down a bit too with these gremlins going down a bit too much on the other side but instead of much on the other side but instead of much on the other side but instead of that being the painful side it's the that being the painful side it's the that being the painful side it's the pleasurable side of course and i don't pleasurable side of course and i don't pleasurable side of course and i don't remember daisy if i said this before or remember daisy if i said this before or remember daisy if i said this before or if i use this in another if i use this in another if i use this in another arena arena arena but in one of the big dopamine episodes but in one of the big dopamine episodes but in one of the big dopamine episodes of of of andrew huberman's that i listened to andrew huberman's that i listened to andrew huberman's that i listened to he talked about that being one of the he talked about that being one of the he talked about that being one of the challenges of challenges of challenges of how our dopamine cycle works for us how our dopamine cycle works for us how our dopamine cycle works for us because what many of us do because what many of us do because what many of us do let's say i'm working on accomplishing a let's say i'm working on accomplishing a let's say i'm working on accomplishing a big task and i accomplish it big task and i accomplish it big task and i accomplish it and instead of letting myself have that
14:00and instead of letting myself have that and instead of letting myself have that come down come down come down i jump right back into the next big i jump right back into the next big i jump right back into the next big thing thing thing and that we actually need and that we actually need and that we actually need that seesaw that seesaw that seesaw between between between so that's really interesting and i'm so that's really interesting and i'm so that's really interesting and i'm fascinated to learn what are those fascinated to learn what are those fascinated to learn what are those gremlins what causes them gremlins what causes them gremlins what causes them um you know um you know um you know when you go in deeper to like the brain when you go in deeper to like the brain when you go in deeper to like the brain structure and structure and structure and neuromodulators and things what are neuromodulators and things what are neuromodulators and things what are those gremlins that jump on the other those gremlins that jump on the other those gremlins that jump on the other side because it seems like that's the side because it seems like that's the side because it seems like that's the next thing next thing next thing to figure out them yes exactly and i'm to figure out them yes exactly and i'm to figure out them yes exactly and i'm sure sure sure it works the other way just like if you it works the other way just like if you it works the other way just like if you try and get try and get try and get too much pleasure and get into that too much pleasure and get into that too much pleasure and get into that addictive cycle i'm sure there are addictive cycle i'm sure there are addictive cycle i'm sure there are issues with that trying to do it the issues with that trying to do it the issues with that trying to do it the other way around other way around other way around i don't know maybe there's something i don't know maybe there's something i don't know maybe there's something about limiting i've naturally limited about limiting i've naturally limited about limiting i've naturally limited the amount of time i spend in the water the amount of time i spend in the water the amount of time i spend in the water so i don't know if that mitigates it to so i don't know if that mitigates it to so i don't know if that mitigates it to a degree i'm not sure i was talking to
15:00a degree i'm not sure i was talking to a degree i'm not sure i was talking to one of the swimmers down there the other one of the swimmers down there the other one of the swimmers down there the other day and he was saying that he gets less day and he was saying that he gets less day and he was saying that he gets less of a thrill that exhilaration and thrill of a thrill that exhilaration and thrill of a thrill that exhilaration and thrill from the cold water than he used to from the cold water than he used to from the cold water than he used to but that he almost felt like he was high but that he almost felt like he was high but that he almost felt like he was high on drugs the other day after he'd done a on drugs the other day after he'd done a on drugs the other day after he'd done a 40-minute swim so that sort of speaks to 40-minute swim so that sort of speaks to 40-minute swim so that sort of speaks to the fact that maybe you need more and the fact that maybe you need more and the fact that maybe you need more and more on the pain side to get the more on the pain side to get the more on the pain side to get the pleasure i don't know i haven't come to pleasure i don't know i haven't come to pleasure i don't know i haven't come to that i just seem to have found a really that i just seem to have found a really that i just seem to have found a really good good good reset balance reset balance reset balance with going in pretty well every day i with going in pretty well every day i with going in pretty well every day i mean i go down there every day the only mean i go down there every day the only mean i go down there every day the only reason i don't go in reason i don't go in reason i don't go in is if the water's too rough basically is if the water's too rough basically is if the water's too rough basically but i still go down but i still go down but i still go down and experience a certain amount of cold and experience a certain amount of cold and experience a certain amount of cold i suppose just by going down there and i suppose just by going down there and i suppose just by going down there and drinking my coffee outdoors but get all drinking my coffee outdoors but get all drinking my coffee outdoors but get all the other benefits that we've talked the other benefits that we've talked the other benefits that we've talked about of course about the early morning about of course about the early morning about of course about the early morning light light light and some exercise and things like that and some exercise and things like that and some exercise and things like that but i do limit the time
16:00but i do limit the time but i do limit the time naturally limit the time i spend in the naturally limit the time i spend in the naturally limit the time i spend in the water i don't have a stopwatch or water i don't have a stopwatch or water i don't have a stopwatch or anything i just get out when i feel like anything i just get out when i feel like anything i just get out when i feel like it but it's usually only about 10 it but it's usually only about 10 it but it's usually only about 10 minutes but minutes but minutes but i did find it very interesting that i i did find it very interesting that i i did find it very interesting that i have noticed a huge change have noticed a huge change have noticed a huge change by moving the time of day that i go and by moving the time of day that i go and by moving the time of day that i go and i i didn't realize that would happen and i i didn't realize that would happen and i i didn't realize that would happen and i wonder how much it ties into what he i wonder how much it ties into what he i wonder how much it ties into what he talks about about your dopamine talks about about your dopamine talks about about your dopamine naturally being more present in the naturally being more present in the naturally being more present in the mornings it's interesting too just whenever i'm it's interesting too just whenever i'm thinking about something that you and i thinking about something that you and i thinking about something that you and i talk about i i try and put it in maybe talk about i i try and put it in maybe talk about i i try and put it in maybe other areas of my life that i can relate other areas of my life that i can relate other areas of my life that i can relate to even more or easier examples for me to even more or easier examples for me to even more or easier examples for me and i'm thinking about this kind of and i'm thinking about this kind of and i'm thinking about this kind of addictive thing of diminished returns on addictive thing of diminished returns on addictive thing of diminished returns on something after we've done it yeah to a something after we've done it yeah to a something after we've done it yeah to a certain degree so that certain degree so that certain degree so that part of it reminds me that what part of it reminds me that what part of it reminds me that what he says about dopamine and what other he says about dopamine and what other he says about dopamine and what other people say as well is that
17:00people say as well is that people say as well is that it's the seeking of something that it's the seeking of something that it's the seeking of something that brings the dopamine it's not so much brings the dopamine it's not so much brings the dopamine it's not so much just the accomplishment of it or the just the accomplishment of it or the just the accomplishment of it or the getting whatever it is getting whatever it is getting whatever it is and so i go back to old food habits and so i go back to old food habits and so i go back to old food habits i don't know what you have in the uk i don't know what you have in the uk i don't know what you have in the uk like this but here like this but here like this but here you've probably heard of thin mint girl you've probably heard of thin mint girl you've probably heard of thin mint girl scout cookies scout cookies scout cookies they're one of these things uh yes well they're one of these things uh yes well they're one of these things uh yes well i've heard of certainly girl scout i've heard of certainly girl scout i've heard of certainly girl scout cookies seem to be this cookies seem to be this cookies seem to be this ubiquitous everyone goes nuts for them ubiquitous everyone goes nuts for them ubiquitous everyone goes nuts for them yes and one of the favorites actually yes and one of the favorites actually yes and one of the favorites actually people either love them or hate them i people either love them or hate them i people either love them or hate them i think but thin mints and they're just think but thin mints and they're just think but thin mints and they're just little small flat bread cookies coated little small flat bread cookies coated little small flat bread cookies coated in chocolate that tastes like mint and in chocolate that tastes like mint and in chocolate that tastes like mint and they're delicious they're delicious they're delicious but when you eat one at least my but when you eat one at least my but when you eat one at least my experiences they taste really good and experiences they taste really good and experiences they taste really good and there's that pleasure there's that pleasure there's that pleasure when you eat 20 when you eat 20 when you eat 20 you're not getting that pleasure anymore you're not getting that pleasure anymore you're not getting that pleasure anymore and it almost is and it almost is and it almost is disappointing which leads you to want to
18:00disappointing which leads you to want to disappointing which leads you to want to eat the 21st and 22nd one eat the 21st and 22nd one eat the 21st and 22nd one hoping that you're going to relive that hoping that you're going to relive that hoping that you're going to relive that spike of you know spike of you know spike of you know satisfaction or pleasure that you had in satisfaction or pleasure that you had in satisfaction or pleasure that you had in the first couple the first couple the first couple and i think this makes a lot of sense and i think this makes a lot of sense and i think this makes a lot of sense now just in general as i listened to his now just in general as i listened to his now just in general as i listened to his podcast and now you talking about this podcast and now you talking about this podcast and now you talking about this that we really need that we really need that we really need the see-saw to happen the see-saw to happen the see-saw to happen and when we have too much of the and when we have too much of the and when we have too much of the pleasure it loses its effect and that's pleasure it loses its effect and that's pleasure it loses its effect and that's depressing or depressing or depressing or disappointing it's a letdown disappointing it's a letdown disappointing it's a letdown or if we have too much of the pain or if we have too much of the pain or if we have too much of the pain obviously we're stuck in that place obviously we're stuck in that place obviously we're stuck in that place anyway so to me a really fascinating way anyway so to me a really fascinating way anyway so to me a really fascinating way to be thinking about this and the fact to be thinking about this and the fact to be thinking about this and the fact that that that you experience the results of that much you experience the results of that much you experience the results of that much differently doing your differently doing your differently doing your cold water swimming in the morning than cold water swimming in the morning than cold water swimming in the morning than when you used to go late in the when you used to go late in the when you used to go late in the afternoon afternoon afternoon that really speaks to the power of this that really speaks to the power of this that really speaks to the power of this that you know hey this guy really knows
19:00that you know hey this guy really knows that you know hey this guy really knows his stuff daisy has proven it but there's something isn't there about but there's something isn't there about this is where it taps into the addictive this is where it taps into the addictive this is where it taps into the addictive tendencies and i've spoken about it tendencies and i've spoken about it tendencies and i've spoken about it before about eating that tab on top of before about eating that tab on top of before about eating that tab on top of hogan dance ice cream with tears hogan dance ice cream with tears hogan dance ice cream with tears streaming down my face but not being streaming down my face but not being streaming down my face but not being able to stop it's like well you just able to stop it's like well you just able to stop it's like well you just said with the thin mint cookies you know said with the thin mint cookies you know said with the thin mint cookies you know the first one is amazing and i can the first one is amazing and i can the first one is amazing and i can remember going getting that ice cream remember going getting that ice cream remember going getting that ice cream and i've spoken about it before the and i've spoken about it before the and i've spoken about it before the anticipation actually was the really anticipation actually was the really anticipation actually was the really amazing bit amazing bit amazing bit and as soon as that after that first and as soon as that after that first and as soon as that after that first mouthful was in it was downhill from mouthful was in it was downhill from mouthful was in it was downhill from there but neither could i stop there but neither could i stop there but neither could i stop and that's what i felt with and that's what i felt with and that's what i felt with binge watching television binge watching television binge watching television i've been very aware actually i've been very aware actually i've been very aware actually of the moment when it stops being of the moment when it stops being of the moment when it stops being enjoyable enjoyable enjoyable but i haven't been able to stop but i haven't been able to stop but i haven't been able to stop so it's it's trying to get in there so it's it's trying to get in there so it's it's trying to get in there before isn't it with that awareness and before isn't it with that awareness and before isn't it with that awareness and that knowledge and switching it off
20:00that knowledge and switching it off that knowledge and switching it off teasing it out almost it's this problem teasing it out almost it's this problem teasing it out almost it's this problem with with with and i've spoken to you about this and i've spoken to you about this and i've spoken to you about this going back to food again but different going back to food again but different going back to food again but different food items that used to only be food items that used to only be food items that used to only be available at certain times of year available at certain times of year available at certain times of year mince pies thankfully are still only mince pies thankfully are still only mince pies thankfully are still only available at christmas however they available at christmas however they available at christmas however they start selling them i can't remember when start selling them i can't remember when start selling them i can't remember when they started appearing in the shops they started appearing in the shops they started appearing in the shops certainly i think before halloween and certainly i think before halloween and certainly i think before halloween and it never used to be like that they it never used to be like that they it never used to be like that they probably didn't start appearing really probably didn't start appearing really probably didn't start appearing really until the beginning of december well hot until the beginning of december well hot until the beginning of december well hot cross buns only used to be available at cross buns only used to be available at cross buns only used to be available at easter they are now available easter they are now available easter they are now available all year round you can always get a hot all year round you can always get a hot all year round you can always get a hot cross bun that never used to be the case cross bun that never used to be the case cross bun that never used to be the case so there used to be so there used to be so there used to be something that you looked forward to but something that you looked forward to but something that you looked forward to but could only get at a certain time of year could only get at a certain time of year could only get at a certain time of year and this is i mean this is so much the and this is i mean this is so much the and this is i mean this is so much the case with all sorts of seasonal foods case with all sorts of seasonal foods case with all sorts of seasonal foods you know normal foods just different you know normal foods just different you know normal foods just different fruits and vegetables but as well as
21:00fruits and vegetables but as well as fruits and vegetables but as well as especially these treats and i think especially these treats and i think especially these treats and i think we've really lost something we've really lost something we've really lost something by by by well we're not necessarily making them well we're not necessarily making them well we're not necessarily making them so available but i mean i suppose we've so available but i mean i suppose we've so available but i mean i suppose we've been demanding them to be available but been demanding them to be available but been demanding them to be available but having this just always available supply having this just always available supply having this just always available supply of these things is and it is the same i of these things is and it is the same i of these things is and it is the same i think with these box sets yes we're think with these box sets yes we're think with these box sets yes we're demanding them and yes we like consuming demanding them and yes we like consuming demanding them and yes we like consuming them but i don't think it's doing us any them but i don't think it's doing us any them but i don't think it's doing us any favors at all favors at all favors at all and actually removing a lot of the and actually removing a lot of the and actually removing a lot of the pleasure pleasure pleasure yeah it's interesting i hadn't thought yeah it's interesting i hadn't thought yeah it's interesting i hadn't thought of that idea just going back to the of that idea just going back to the of that idea just going back to the netflix or whatever viewing netflix or whatever viewing netflix or whatever viewing i think for most of us it started when i think for most of us it started when i think for most of us it started when we got the box sets of things if you get we got the box sets of things if you get we got the box sets of things if you get the box set of friends the box set of friends the box set of friends you can watch episode after episode for you can watch episode after episode for you can watch episode after episode for months months months and and and we went overboard with that we went overboard with that we went overboard with that and now they made sense of that of we and now they made sense of that of we and now they made sense of that of we should give them this available online should give them this available online should give them this available online so we can have them hooked all the time
22:00so we can have them hooked all the time so we can have them hooked all the time i hadn't even thought about that before i hadn't even thought about that before i hadn't even thought about that before yes that's very true i remember i used yes that's very true i remember i used yes that's very true i remember i used to get i always used to get the box set to get i always used to get the box set to get i always used to get the box set of that year's 24 of that year's 24 of that year's 24 for my birthday and that was my binge for my birthday and that was my binge for my birthday and that was my binge watching thing but yeah like i said watching thing but yeah like i said watching thing but yeah like i said before especially i guess when it comes before especially i guess when it comes before especially i guess when it comes to binge watching to binge watching to binge watching is that it has a practical knock-on is that it has a practical knock-on is that it has a practical knock-on effect because you often end up watching effect because you often end up watching effect because you often end up watching it late into the night which impacts it late into the night which impacts it late into the night which impacts your sleep which but i do think it's your sleep which but i do think it's your sleep which but i do think it's interesting that you can have interesting that you can have interesting that you can have a real acute awareness that you're not a real acute awareness that you're not a real acute awareness that you're not actually really enjoying it but you actually really enjoying it but you actually really enjoying it but you can't stop either can't stop either can't stop either i do that when i'm watching something i do that when i'm watching something i do that when i'm watching something and and falling asleep falling asleep falling asleep like i'm fighting it and that's not even like i'm fighting it and that's not even like i'm fighting it and that's not even comfortable i'm not even enjoying it comfortable i'm not even enjoying it comfortable i'm not even enjoying it anymore but anymore but anymore but i want to keep going exactly so i'm not i want to keep going exactly so i'm not i want to keep going exactly so i'm not quite sure what the answer is where the quite sure what the answer is where the quite sure what the answer is where the intervention needs to come in intervention needs to come in intervention needs to come in to you know harnessing the pleasure side to you know harnessing the pleasure side to you know harnessing the pleasure side of it without it tipping over because of it without it tipping over because of it without it tipping over because once you're too far into it it's really
23:00once you're too far into it it's really once you're too far into it it's really difficult to stop yourself isn't it difficult to stop yourself isn't it difficult to stop yourself isn't it so damn little gremlins damn little so damn little gremlins damn little so damn little gremlins damn little gremlins so there you go that's just a bit of a so there you go that's just a bit of a roll over episode with some interesting roll over episode with some interesting roll over episode with some interesting things that we didn't have time for last things that we didn't have time for last things that we didn't have time for last time and one of the reasons actually was time and one of the reasons actually was time and one of the reasons actually was giving you a chance to get a word in giving you a chance to get a word in giving you a chance to get a word in edgewise which i hadn't the first time edgewise which i hadn't the first time edgewise which i hadn't the first time and i'm not sure i've done that too much and i'm not sure i've done that too much and i'm not sure i've done that too much this episode either but this episode either but this episode either but no it's a great topic and great to think no it's a great topic and great to think no it's a great topic and great to think about it and while you were talking it about it and while you were talking it about it and while you were talking it made me explore again i used to do some made me explore again i used to do some made me explore again i used to do some cryotherapy i remember you doing and i cryotherapy i remember you doing and i cryotherapy i remember you doing and i did some did some did some lying in the bathtub on ice blocks lying in the bathtub on ice blocks lying in the bathtub on ice blocks and just thinking about and just thinking about and just thinking about some of those benefits and wanting to some of those benefits and wanting to some of those benefits and wanting to get those into my life again and how i get those into my life again and how i get those into my life again and how i might do that so it's it's been a great might do that so it's it's been a great might do that so it's it's been a great topic for me that you've brought up now topic for me that you've brought up now topic for me that you've brought up now and and got me thinking about some things so got me thinking about some things so got me thinking about some things so thank you for that thank you for that thank you for that and i hope everyone else finds some and i hope everyone else finds some and i hope everyone else finds some things in these episodes that they can
24:00things in these episodes that they can things in these episodes that they can apply and apply and apply and use in their lives and use in their lives and use in their lives and welcome to the new year glad to be back welcome to the new year glad to be back welcome to the new year glad to be back and we'll talk to you soon have a great and we'll talk to you soon have a great and we'll talk to you soon have a great week week week and a great year and a great year and a great year [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Music] you