00:00Mr kisy we're going to conduct a bat Mr kisy we're going to conduct a bat search here put your arms out on May 25th 1988 Richard klinsky was out on May 25th 1988 Richard klinsky was convicted of multiple murder and convicted of multiple murder and convicted of multiple murder and sentenced to life sentenced to life sentenced to life imprisonment this ended 30 years of imprisonment this ended 30 years of imprisonment this ended 30 years of coldblooded killing by a master criminal coldblooded killing by a master criminal coldblooded killing by a master criminal police called The police called The police called The Iceman Richard klinsky is one of the Iceman Richard klinsky is one of the Iceman Richard klinsky is one of the most dangerous criminals we have ever most dangerous criminals we have ever most dangerous criminals we have ever come across in this come across in this come across in this state he murdered by guns he murdered by state he murdered by guns he murdered by state he murdered by guns he murdered by strangulation he murdered by putting strangulation he murdered by putting strangulation he murdered by putting poison on victim's food he did of all of poison on victim's food he did of all of poison on victim's food he did of all of this at the same time while exhibiting a this at the same time while exhibiting a this at the same time while exhibiting a normal Placid family normal Placid family normal Placid family existence his wife his children uh were
01:00existence his wife his children uh were existence his wife his children uh were uninvolved in his criminal uninvolved in his criminal uninvolved in his criminal activities yet uh we are faced with uh activities yet uh we are faced with uh activities yet uh we are faced with uh evidence convicting evidence of uh evidence convicting evidence of uh evidence convicting evidence of uh numerous Grizzly murders how many people have you killed an approximate guess approximately will go with more than 100 how do you feel about 100 how do you feel about killing I don't it doesn't bother don't it doesn't bother me doesn't bother me at all
02:00I don't have a feeling one way or the other I think if I had a choice I wouldn't the following program is based wouldn't the following program is based on 17 hours of an interview conducted on 17 hours of an interview conducted on 17 hours of an interview conducted under maximum security at Trenton State under maximum security at Trenton State under maximum security at Trenton State Prison law enforcement officials allowed Prison law enforcement officials allowed Prison law enforcement officials allowed our cameras unprecedented access in an our cameras unprecedented access in an our cameras unprecedented access in an attempt to uncover details of various attempt to uncover details of various attempt to uncover details of various unsolved unsolved unsolved crimes it was also hoped that the crimes it was also hoped that the crimes it was also hoped that the interview would help to penetrate the interview would help to penetrate the interview would help to penetrate the mind of Richard mind of Richard mind of Richard klinsky a mind made for murder Richard when you were on the murder Richard when you were on the streets what kind of weapons did you streets what kind of weapons did you streets what kind of weapons did you use when I was out on a street to do use when I was out on a street to do use when I was out on a street to do something I carried three guns and a something I carried three guns and a something I carried three guns and a knife I had a Dinger in each pocket
03:00and a gun on my ankle the Picker a gun and a gun on my ankle the Picker a gun just in just in just in case and a case and a case and a knife and it all depends how it came about yesterday that used a shotgun some about yesterday that used a shotgun some guy with a stom light or something like guy with a stom light or something like guy with a stom light or something like that or at a red light we were following that or at a red light we were following that or at a red light we were following this fell I pulled up a a red a a red light came alongside of light came alongside of light came alongside of [Music] [Music] [Music] him and shot the shotgun took his head him and shot the shotgun took his head him and shot the shotgun took his head off he never saw the green off he never saw the green off he never saw the green light was a sword of shotgun it was very uh as a matter of shotgun it was very uh as a matter of fact when it happened it surprised me I fact when it happened it surprised me I fact when it happened it surprised me I expected the uh expected the uh expected the uh toand to uh die but it really surprised
04:00toand to uh die but it really surprised toand to uh die but it really surprised me when it when it took his head me when it when it took his head me when it when it took his head off it was a something I didn't off it was a something I didn't off it was a something I didn't expect Richard klinsky is not a serial expect Richard klinsky is not a serial expect Richard klinsky is not a serial killer he's not a drug killer he's not a drug killer he's not a drug crazed uh wild man running around with a crazed uh wild man running around with a crazed uh wild man running around with a machine machine machine gun he's gun he's gun he's not a person that is driven by perverse not a person that is driven by perverse not a person that is driven by perverse uh sexual desires uh sexual desires uh sexual desires he doesn't drink he doesn't he doesn't drink he doesn't he doesn't drink he doesn't gamble uh all of these things um which gamble uh all of these things um which gamble uh all of these things um which many persons that are involved in many persons that are involved in many persons that are involved in killing and murders uh often are killing and murders uh often are killing and murders uh often are motivated by Richard kinsky instead uh motivated by Richard kinsky instead uh motivated by Richard kinsky instead uh is nothing more than a predator on human is nothing more than a predator on human is nothing more than a predator on human beings uh his motivation is greed and beings uh his motivation is greed and beings uh his motivation is greed and his method of murder is very varied uh his method of murder is very varied uh his method of murder is very varied uh and very extreme Richard I understand that you're extreme Richard I understand that you're an expert the use of cyanide how many
05:00an expert the use of cyanide how many an expert the use of cyanide how many times did you kill with it quite a few times did you kill with it quite a few times did you kill with it quite a few what's the different ways you use what's the different ways you use what's the different ways you use cyanide you could uh put it in liquid uh put it in liquid form you could uh there could person say form you could uh there could person say form you could uh there could person say for instance a person could be in a for instance a person could be in a for instance a person could be in a bar you bunk into them possibly uh by bar you bunk into them possibly uh by bar you bunk into them possibly uh by mistake or say you were intoxicated mistake or say you were intoxicated mistake or say you were intoxicated spill the drink on spill the drink on spill the drink on them and leave everybody just looks around thinks leave everybody just looks around thinks you're drunk or that she just had an you're drunk or that she just had an you're drunk or that she just had an accident or something and uh accident or something and uh accident or something and uh meanwhile it's soaking through their meanwhile it's soaking through their meanwhile it's soaking through their clothes into their clothes into their clothes into their pores and into their pores and into their pores and into their system and eventually they'll die I've been in a restaurant
06:00die I've been in a restaurant where we were where we were where we were eating and the guy went to the bathroom eating and the guy went to the bathroom eating and the guy went to the bathroom and while he was in the bathroom we put and while he was in the bathroom we put and while he was in the bathroom we put a little boost in his uh in his a little boost in his uh in his a little boost in his uh in his food and um he was rushed to the hospital after um he was rushed to the hospital after that and U he that and U he that and U he died and they buried him and I exactly sure what they put him and I exactly sure what they put what they attributed his debt what they attributed his debt what they attributed his debt to but you to but you to but you know it wasn't know it wasn't know it wasn't homicide somewhere and I don't know homicide somewhere and I don't know homicide somewhere and I don't know where he picked up on cyanide poisoning where he picked up on cyanide poisoning where he picked up on cyanide poisoning as being a good way a good quick way to as being a good way a good quick way to as being a good way a good quick way to kill somebody it's such a good way to kill somebody it's such a good way to kill somebody it's such a good way to kill somebody that that's the gas that's kill somebody that that's the gas that's kill somebody that that's the gas that's used in gas Chambers I mean it cyanide used in gas Chambers I mean it cyanide used in gas Chambers I mean it cyanide in a gas vet form which is similar to
07:00in a gas vet form which is similar to in a gas vet form which is similar to cyanide in a in a in an being eaten form cyanide in a in a in an being eaten form cyanide in a in a in an being eaten form kills very quickly it's a very it kills kills very quickly it's a very it kills kills very quickly it's a very it kills faster than arsenic faster than faster than arsenic faster than faster than arsenic faster than stricking and it's hard to stricking and it's hard to stricking and it's hard to detect detect detect um if the person if it isn't um if the person if it isn't um if the person if it isn't specifically looked for he specifically looked for he specifically looked for he murdered sometimes months apart years murdered sometimes months apart years murdered sometimes months apart years apart he used different apart he used different apart he used different methods um he would go so far as to methods um he would go so far as to methods um he would go so far as to uh plan in his crimes uh the actual uh plan in his crimes uh the actual uh plan in his crimes uh the actual deceit of law enforcement uh by that I deceit of law enforcement uh by that I deceit of law enforcement uh by that I mean he would on occasion uh murder mean he would on occasion uh murder mean he would on occasion uh murder someone cut their body wrap them in someone cut their body wrap them in someone cut their body wrap them in layer after layer of plastic bags and layer after layer of plastic bags and layer after layer of plastic bags and material and then deposit the body many material and then deposit the body many material and then deposit the body many many miles from the murder scene what is many miles from the murder scene what is many miles from the murder scene what is it to dispose of something he throw it it to dispose of something he throw it it to dispose of something he throw it away you throw it away you throw it away you throw it anywhere it all depends if you don't anywhere it all depends if you don't anywhere it all depends if you don't want it found or if you want it found if want it found or if you want it found if want it found or if you want it found if you want to found it doesn't matter you
08:00you want to found it doesn't matter you you want to found it doesn't matter you just leave it just leave it just leave it there if you don't want it found you there if you don't want it found you there if you don't want it found you could take it could take it could take it somewhere you could bury somewhere you could bury somewhere you could bury it you could uh put it in a big drum you put it in a trunk of a car and drum you put it in a trunk of a car and have it Crush you leave it in town you can put Crush you leave it in town you can put it on a park bench I mean you know you it on a park bench I mean you know you it on a park bench I mean you know you can put it anywhere you want they found can put it anywhere you want they found can put it anywhere you want they found a few people sitting on park benches I'm sure as a matter of fact I know they have are there any murders that you have are there any murders that you committed that that haunt you that you committed that that haunt you that you committed that that haunt you that you just sort of you feel and you nothing haunts you nothing haunts me no MERS haunt me
09:00nothing I don't think about nothing I don't think about it that's why it's hard for me to tell it that's why it's hard for me to tell it that's why it's hard for me to tell you but in order for me to be able to you but in order for me to be able to you but in order for me to be able to tell you when something happened I have tell you when something happened I have tell you when something happened I have to think about why when if I think about it it would wind up hurting it it would wind up hurting me so I doubt I don't think about it if I had a if I had a choice and of course you has already choice and of course you has already choice and of course you has already said to me we all have choic maybe we do at the time I didn't choic maybe we do at the time I didn't seem to have one but if I could seem to have one but if I could seem to have one but if I could have I would like to be different than have I would like to be different than have I would like to be different than what I am I would have liked to been what I am I would have liked to been what I am I would have liked to been different than what I was yes it would different than what I was yes it would different than what I was yes it would be better it would have been better for be better it would have been better for be better it would have been better for me I would have liked to had it better me I would have liked to had it better me I would have liked to had it better look on
10:00life but I can't change yesterday Richard klinsky was born April yesterday Richard klinsky was born April 11th 11th 11th 1935 in a low-income public housing 1935 in a low-income public housing 1935 in a low-income public housing project in Jersey project in Jersey project in Jersey City his father was a Breakman for the City his father was a Breakman for the City his father was a Breakman for the railroad and his mother worked in a meat railroad and his mother worked in a meat railroad and his mother worked in a meat packing packing packing plant I didn't like my phone as he would plant I didn't like my phone as he would plant I didn't like my phone as he would beat me just because uh he felt like to beat me just because uh he felt like to beat me just because uh he felt like to get my attention I get my attention I get my attention I guess he would think nothing of coming guess he would think nothing of coming guess he would think nothing of coming in and smacking in and smacking in and smacking you you know you you know you you know basically he just Comm in and give you a basically he just Comm in and give you a basically he just Comm in and give you a whipping for another reason whipping for another reason whipping for another reason whatsoever and my mother was cancer she whatsoever and my mother was cancer she whatsoever and my mother was cancer she would destroy would destroy would destroy everybody she thought I took too long to everybody she thought I took too long to everybody she thought I took too long to do something she didn't hesitate to give do something she didn't hesitate to give do something she didn't hesitate to give me a SWAT here and there and she didn't
11:00me a SWAT here and there and she didn't me a SWAT here and there and she didn't just use her hand just use her hand just use her hand she she would hit me with a a broomstick she she would hit me with a a broomstick she she would hit me with a a broomstick or something like that or something like that or something like that wouldn't it wouldn't it wouldn't it hurt as a matter of fact she broke the hurt as a matter of fact she broke the hurt as a matter of fact she broke the broom onomy more than broom onomy more than broom onomy more than once Richard's mother believed that once Richard's mother believed that once Richard's mother believed that harsh discipline at home should go hand harsh discipline at home should go hand harsh discipline at home should go hand inand with a rigid religious inand with a rigid religious inand with a rigid religious education I was raised education I was raised education I was raised a Catholic uh we were very she was strict as far as uh we were very she was strict as far as the religion goes I went to uh your the religion goes I went to uh your the religion goes I went to uh your mother my mother yeah my mother we went mother my mother yeah my mother we went mother my mother yeah my mother we went to to to uh Catholic grammar uh Catholic grammar uh Catholic grammar school and we were raised with the school and we were raised with the school and we were raised with the Catholic Catholic Catholic belief I was even an alter boy but uh boy but uh during the course of my life I don't
12:00during the course of my life I don't during the course of my life I don't really believe it that's just the way it happened it that's just the way it happened didn't mean it to happen that way but it didn't mean it to happen that way but it didn't mean it to happen that way but it just happened that just happened that just happened that way when his father abandoned the family way when his father abandoned the family way when his father abandoned the family Richard a skinny timid young teenager Richard a skinny timid young teenager Richard a skinny timid young teenager was left to fend for himself he was an was left to fend for himself he was an was left to fend for himself he was an easy target for street gangs but by the easy target for street gangs but by the easy target for street gangs but by the time he was 16 things began to change time he was 16 things began to change time he was 16 things began to change when I was a young man I found out that when I was a young man I found out that when I was a young man I found out that if you hurt if you hurt if you hurt somebody they'll leave you alone good guys do finish last when I try to leave everybody alone last when I try to leave everybody alone just do my own thing everybody just just do my own thing everybody just just do my own thing everybody just wanted to hurt wanted to hurt wanted to hurt me until one day I just decided Well me until one day I just decided Well me until one day I just decided Well I've had enough of this I've had enough of this I've had enough of this picking and I went upstairs and I took a picking and I went upstairs and I took a picking and I went upstairs and I took a uh a bar which the clothes used to hang
13:00uh a bar which the clothes used to hang uh a bar which the clothes used to hang on in the uh on in the uh on in the uh closet and I went back closet and I went back closet and I went back downstairs and there were like six young downstairs and there were like six young downstairs and there were like six young men men men still figuring they were going to mess still figuring they were going to mess still figuring they were going to mess with my head and with my head and with my head and uh we went to war to their war to their surprise I was no longer taking the surprise I was no longer taking the surprise I was no longer taking the beating I I was giving beating I I was giving beating I I was giving it and that's when I learned that it was it and that's when I learned that it was it and that's when I learned that it was better to give than to receive I've been known to hurt people receive I've been known to hurt people for no reason if you check out my for no reason if you check out my for no reason if you check out my background as I came background as I came background as I came up I could be anywhere and if somebody up I could be anywhere and if somebody up I could be anywhere and if somebody humiliated me I would think nothing of humiliated me I would think nothing of humiliated me I would think nothing of hitting them with a Q hitting them with a Q hitting them with a Q stick in an [Music] instant and the only thing they might instant and the only thing they might instant and the only thing they might have done was
14:00have done was have done was made me feel bad made me feel bad made me feel bad or challenge my authority at the or challenge my authority at the or challenge my authority at the time klinsky reputation as a tough guy time klinsky reputation as a tough guy time klinsky reputation as a tough guy with a hair trigger temper grew by the with a hair trigger temper grew by the with a hair trigger temper grew by the time he was 18 the abused had become the time he was 18 the abused had become the time he was 18 the abused had become the abuser it wasn't long before he abuser it wasn't long before he abuser it wasn't long before he committed his first committed his first committed his first murder I got into a fight in a bar we murder I got into a fight in a bar we murder I got into a fight in a bar we got into an argument to fight got into an argument to fight got into an argument to fight and I hit him with and I hit him with and I hit him with a with a Q stick stick uh a few too many uh a few too many uh a few too many times and he died how'd you feel after times and he died how'd you feel after times and he died how'd you feel after when you found out you died I had felt when you found out you died I had felt when you found out you died I had felt very very very bad very very bad I was upset I didn't mean to do it actually
15:00but surprisingly I felt sadness and after a while I felt something else and after a while I felt something else I didn't feel sad it was sad along I didn't feel sad it was sad along I didn't feel sad it was sad along with some sort of with some sort of with some sort of a rush that I had control and if you a rush that I had control and if you a rush that I had control and if you mess with me I guess it's if you mess mess with me I guess it's if you mess mess with me I guess it's if you mess with me with me with me I I'll hurt I I'll hurt I I'll hurt you by the the time he'd reached his 20s you by the the time he'd reached his 20s you by the the time he'd reached his 20s klinsky had become a petty Crook and klinsky had become a petty Crook and klinsky had become a petty Crook and pool hustler then his life changed in pool hustler then his life changed in pool hustler then his life changed in 1960 he met a pretty 19-year-old girl 1960 he met a pretty 19-year-old girl 1960 he met a pretty 19-year-old girl named barara named barara named barara pedin he was pedin he was pedin he was absolutely flowers at the door every day absolutely flowers at the door every day absolutely flowers at the door every day and and uh considerate and romantic and and and uh considerate and romantic and and and uh considerate and romantic and all of the things that anybody could all of the things that anybody could all of the things that anybody could could hope for dream for he bought me could hope for dream for he bought me could hope for dream for he bought me beautiful things we went
16:00beautiful things we went beautiful things we went places he he was happiest when we were places he he was happiest when we were places he he was happiest when we were together he was happiest when just he together he was happiest when just he together he was happiest when just he and I were together he and Barbara had and I were together he and Barbara had and I were together he and Barbara had three children but with just an eighth three children but with just an eighth three children but with just an eighth grade education he could only get grade education he could only get grade education he could only get low-paying jobs that didn't pay enough low-paying jobs that didn't pay enough low-paying jobs that didn't pay enough to support his growing to support his growing to support his growing family I didn't have the capability of family I didn't have the capability of family I didn't have the capability of getting a better paying getting a better paying getting a better paying job I I going to push a y truck the rest job I I going to push a y truck the rest job I I going to push a y truck the rest of my of my of my life make menial amount of money I life make menial amount of money I life make menial amount of money I couldn't have couldn't have couldn't have afforded one child let alone afforded one child let alone afforded one child let alone three he went to work at a film lab three he went to work at a film lab three he went to work at a film lab where he began to Pirate pornographic where he began to Pirate pornographic where he began to Pirate pornographic films and sell them to outside sources films and sell them to outside sources films and sell them to outside sources connected to the gambino crime connected to the gambino crime connected to the gambino crime family this connection led to other family this connection led to other family this connection led to other criminal activities and it wasn't long criminal activities and it wasn't long criminal activities and it wasn't long before he went from being a smalltime before he went from being a smalltime before he went from being a smalltime hood to a BigTime killer
17:00he worked as a Hitman and associated he worked as a Hitman and associated with a gang that worked out of the with a gang that worked out of the with a gang that worked out of the notorious Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn notorious Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn notorious Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn above the lounge was a mafia killing above the lounge was a mafia killing above the lounge was a mafia killing Factory where victims were killed and Factory where victims were killed and Factory where victims were killed and dismembered hacked bodies were packaged dismembered hacked bodies were packaged dismembered hacked bodies were packaged in plastic bags and carted in plastic bags and carted in plastic bags and carted Away klinsky was the perfect enforcer he Away klinsky was the perfect enforcer he Away klinsky was the perfect enforcer he was brutal and he knew how to intimidate was brutal and he knew how to intimidate was brutal and he knew how to intimidate if people owed money they either paid up if people owed money they either paid up if people owed money they either paid up or paid with their lives most people or paid with their lives most people or paid with their lives most people paid their bills some paid their bills some paid their bills some didn't I remember one guy he was didn't I remember one guy he was didn't I remember one guy he was um owed a lot of money well I guess um owed a lot of money well I guess um owed a lot of money well I guess consider amount of money uh he hid me he thought he could could uh he hid me he thought he could could hide behind a
18:00hide behind a hide behind a door it was a nice door expensive door it was a nice door expensive door it was a nice door expensive door anyway uh most people don't realize door anyway uh most people don't realize door anyway uh most people don't realize that uh when you come to answer a door uh if there's light in the door uh if there's light in the background the person on the outside can background the person on the outside can background the person on the outside can look through the peephole and see the look through the peephole and see the look through the peephole and see the guy coming to the guy coming to the guy coming to the door so he came to to the door I asked door so he came to to the door I asked door so he came to to the door I asked who it who it who it was and uh he looked through the peephole and he never saw what hit peephole and he never saw what hit him for Richard klinsky murder had him for Richard klinsky murder had him for Richard klinsky murder had become a way of life and the maab became become a way of life and the maab became become a way of life and the maab became the the the commonplace would you ever use a commonplace would you ever use a commonplace would you ever use a chainsaw I mean to cut someone up
19:00yes I've done that to dismember them yes not to kill that to dismember them yes not to kill him him him no mo was aik to cut somebody up with a no mo was aik to cut somebody up with a no mo was aik to cut somebody up with a with a you know even though the guy was with a you know even though the guy was with a you know even though the guy was dead how did it feel to cut some guy up dead how did it feel to cut some guy up dead how did it feel to cut some guy up with a with a with a with a with a with a chainsaw I didn't have any feeling one chainsaw I didn't have any feeling one chainsaw I didn't have any feeling one way way way de that that just happened that's the de that that just happened that's the de that that just happened that's the way it had to be messy yes yes it yes yes it was did it make you sick no I've had was did it make you sick no I've had was did it make you sick no I've had requests where a guy wanted the guy's requests where a guy wanted the guy's requests where a guy wanted the guy's tongue cut tongue cut tongue cut out and he also wanted his out and he also wanted his out and he also wanted his tongue put in his uh reent so I believe it was a definite reent so I believe it was a definite point he wanted to get
20:00across I have an experience that I don't across I have an experience that I don't know if I should tell you or not that it know if I should tell you or not that it know if I should tell you or not that it might it probably would offend a lot of people uh I don't know I don't think I should uh I don't know I don't think I should I'll go into that go I'll go into that go I'll go into that go ahead n it's not a good one no go ahead ahead n it's not a good one no go ahead ahead n it's not a good one no go ahead too it was a man who was it was a man who was begging and pleading and uh and and praying I guess and um
21:00he was pleased God and all over the place so I told him he could have a half hour to pray to hour to pray to God and if God could come down and God and if God could come down and God and if God could come down and change the circumstances he'd have that time but God never showed up and he never changed the circumstances that was that it wasn't too nice that's one thing I shouldn't have nice that's one thing I shouldn't have done that one
22:00I shouldn't have done it that way by the 1970s between his illegal way by the 1970s between his illegal activities and contract killings he was activities and contract killings he was activities and contract killings he was becoming a wealthy man he now lived in becoming a wealthy man he now lived in becoming a wealthy man he now lived in an expensive home in a middle class an expensive home in a middle class an expensive home in a middle class neighborhood with his wife and three neighborhood with his wife and three neighborhood with his wife and three children Richard what did you charge for children Richard what did you charge for children Richard what did you charge for a for a hit if I hit somebody a for a hit if I hit somebody a for a hit if I hit somebody I wouldn't hit it for I wouldn't hit it for I wouldn't hit it for peanuts I I'd like to have some some money I say if I were to do money I say if I were to do somebody I want at least five figures and at least up in the better figures and at least up in the better half not the lower half of the five half not the lower half of the five half not the lower half of the five figures klinsky kept his criminal life figures klinsky kept his criminal life figures klinsky kept his criminal life secret from his family and Neighbors he secret from his family and Neighbors he secret from his family and Neighbors he told them he was a businessman no one
23:00told them he was a businessman no one told them he was a businessman no one knew his business was murder we were knew his business was murder we were knew his business was murder we were perfect my children were never in perfect my children were never in perfect my children were never in trouble we were perfect we were the All trouble we were perfect we were the All trouble we were perfect we were the All American American American family I mean we had what seemed to be family I mean we had what seemed to be family I mean we had what seemed to be the perfect the perfect the perfect life there were wonderful life there were wonderful life there were wonderful times and time with his family was the times and time with his family was the times and time with his family was the only thing that he was really concerned only thing that he was really concerned only thing that he was really concerned if he never had to leave the house he if he never had to leave the house he if he never had to leave the house he would have loved it he hated to have to would have loved it he hated to have to would have loved it he hated to have to travel he hated to go away travel he hated to go away travel he hated to go away he came back as soon as he can he wanted he came back as soon as he can he wanted he came back as soon as he can he wanted to be home all the time he wanted to be to be home all the time he wanted to be to be home all the time he wanted to be with us all the with us all the with us all the time I enjoyed that way of time I enjoyed that way of time I enjoyed that way of life I felt I had achieved life I felt I had achieved life I felt I had achieved something something something I very seldom left the house unless I I very seldom left the house unless I I very seldom left the house unless I had to because I had to because I had to because I felt secure in the house I felt very felt secure in the house I felt very felt secure in the house I felt very secure secure secure I try to
24:00I try to I try to provide the provide the provide the best for best for best for them as I knew them as I knew them as I knew how might not have been the right way to how might not have been the right way to how might not have been the right way to go but it was for me the only go but it was for me the only go but it was for me the only way I tried to never let anything touch way I tried to never let anything touch way I tried to never let anything touch the the house I brought nobody there my family house I brought nobody there my family house I brought nobody there my family was not exposed to was not exposed to was not exposed to anybody I wanted to show them the good anybody I wanted to show them the good anybody I wanted to show them the good side of life not the bad side of life not the bad side of life not the bad side Richard had a very very sad side Richard had a very very sad side Richard had a very very sad childhood you got the impression or I childhood you got the impression or I childhood you got the impression or I knew because he would like say something knew because he would like say something knew because he would like say something and then drop and change the subject and then drop and change the subject and then drop and change the subject that he was that he was that he was abused and that there was no love he abused and that there was no love he abused and that there was no love he grew up absolutely without any love grew up absolutely without any love grew up absolutely without any love without a doubt I mean the first without a doubt I mean the first without a doubt I mean the first Christmas uh with my family he couldn't Christmas uh with my family he couldn't Christmas uh with my family he couldn't he was an a he couldn't believe it it he was an a he couldn't believe it it he was an a he couldn't believe it it was a tree and and everyone was cooking was a tree and and everyone was cooking was a tree and and everyone was cooking special things and there lots that we special things and there lots that we special things and there lots that we were laughing and it was fun and he kept
25:00were laughing and it was fun and he kept were laughing and it was fun and he kept saying I I can't believe that this is saying I I can't believe that this is saying I I can't believe that this is what what what happens it was a jackal and high happens it was a jackal and high happens it was a jackal and high existence the way it was the way I existence the way it was the way I existence the way it was the way I wanted it to be with absolutely two wanted it to be with absolutely two wanted it to be with absolutely two different two different different two different different two different lives I lives I lives I wanted one wanted one wanted one life I had to have another life I had to have another life I had to have another life this other life would interrupt one life this other life would interrupt one life this other life would interrupt one Christmas Christmas Christmas Eve while his family was celebrating the Eve while his family was celebrating the Eve while his family was celebrating the holidays klinsky left his home to holidays klinsky left his home to holidays klinsky left his home to collect on a bad debt business was collect on a bad debt business was collect on a bad debt business was business even on Christmas Eve the man business even on Christmas Eve the man business even on Christmas Eve the man owed me money he was giving me a owed me money he was giving me a owed me money he was giving me a runaround I told him I wasn't happy that runaround I told him I wasn't happy that runaround I told him I wasn't happy that he wasn't going to pay me he had the attitude that uh nobody could hurt him
26:00I think he was I think he was wrong only way he never saw Christmas what did you use a Christmas what did you use a gun Extremely Loud inside of a car matter of fact my ears were ringing car matter of fact my ears were ringing for a long time what' you do for a long time what' you do for a long time what' you do afterwards I walked away got in my car afterwards I walked away got in my car afterwards I walked away got in my car I went I went I went home what' you do when you got home I put toys together for the kids home I put toys together for the kids for Christmas I saw the broadcast while I Christmas I saw the broadcast while I was putting the toys together that came was putting the toys together that came was putting the toys together that came down mob related killing that was the first time I knew I killing that was the first time I knew I was mob related
27:00how'd you feel I was annoyed I couldn't get the feel I was annoyed I couldn't get the damn wagon damn wagon damn wagon together I never questioned him and you together I never questioned him and you together I never questioned him and you just knew don't do it don't ask uh if he just knew don't do it don't ask uh if he just knew don't do it don't ask uh if he got up at 2:00 in the morning or during got up at 2:00 in the morning or during got up at 2:00 in the morning or during dinner and put on his shoes and walked dinner and put on his shoes and walked dinner and put on his shoes and walked out the door you said bye you didn't say out the door you said bye you didn't say out the door you said bye you didn't say where are you going or why are you going where are you going or why are you going where are you going or why are you going and it was just understood that that's and it was just understood that that's and it was just understood that that's the way it was he was very private you the way it was he was very private you the way it was he was very private you only knew what he wanted you to only knew what he wanted you to only knew what he wanted you to know by the 1980s after 25 years of know by the 1980s after 25 years of know by the 1980s after 25 years of working as a Hitman for the mob Richard working as a Hitman for the mob Richard working as a Hitman for the mob Richard klinsky became the head of his own crime klinsky became the head of his own crime klinsky became the head of his own crime ring he developed new ways to profit ring he developed new ways to profit ring he developed new ways to profit from from from murder the case of Paul Hoffman was murder the case of Paul Hoffman was murder the case of Paul Hoffman was typical of the way he typical of the way he typical of the way he operated on the afternoon of April 29th
28:00operated on the afternoon of April 29th operated on the afternoon of April 29th 1982 Hoffman arrived at a warehouse 1982 Hoffman arrived at a warehouse 1982 Hoffman arrived at a warehouse leased by leased by leased by klinsky like numerous victims of the klinsky like numerous victims of the klinsky like numerous victims of the Iceman he had been set up for a phony Iceman he had been set up for a phony Iceman he had been set up for a phony business business business deal Paul Hoffman was a pharmacist and deal Paul Hoffman was a pharmacist and deal Paul Hoffman was a pharmacist and he was looking for a quick he was looking for a quick he was looking for a quick Buck uh he was out to purchase a drug Buck uh he was out to purchase a drug Buck uh he was out to purchase a drug called tagant which was at the time a called tagant which was at the time a called tagant which was at the time a wonder drug for wonder drug for wonder drug for ulcers and he felt that if he could ulcers and he felt that if he could ulcers and he felt that if he could purchase a large quantity of this purchase a large quantity of this purchase a large quantity of this tagant at a uh at a very low price that tagant at a uh at a very low price that tagant at a uh at a very low price that he could he could indeed make he could he could indeed make he could he could indeed make a a huge profit on that and that was the a a huge profit on that and that was the a a huge profit on that and that was the alleged deal that he had with Richard alleged deal that he had with Richard alleged deal that he had with Richard klinsky when Paul Hoffman showed up to klinsky when Paul Hoffman showed up to klinsky when Paul Hoffman showed up to buy the tagant he was carrying buy the tagant he was carrying buy the tagant he was carrying $25,000 in $25,000 in $25,000 in cash he took the back door opened it cash he took the back door opened it cash he took the back door opened it showed me a whole mess of money mess of
29:00showed me a whole mess of money mess of showed me a whole mess of money mess of cash he said I got the money right here cash he said I got the money right here cash he said I got the money right here is and he came back he says what are we going to do back he says what are we going to do what are we going to do how am I going what are we going to do how am I going what are we going to do how am I going to get this merchandise I put the gun under his merchandise I put the gun under his chin and I said there is no merchandise and I shot him he didn't die the gun die the gun jammed he jammed he jammed he was was was gurgling I had hit him it him it was uh blood was pouring out of his was uh blood was pouring out of his was uh blood was pouring out of his mouth
30:00and uh he was in a I would imagine a lot it uh he was in a I would imagine a lot it looked like he was in a lot of looked like he was in a lot of looked like he was in a lot of pain so there was a tire eye in there I pain so there was a tire eye in there I pain so there was a tire eye in there I took the tire eye and hit him with took the tire eye and hit him with took the tire eye and hit him with it it it which knocked him which knocked him which knocked him out and uh he died out and uh he died out and uh he died I then took him and put him in a I then took him and put him in a I then took him and put him in a 50-gallon drum put it on the side of a a 50-gallon drum put it on the side of a a 50-gallon drum put it on the side of a a motel it was behind Harry's motel it was behind Harry's motel it was behind Harry's Corner I listened to the people I went Corner I listened to the people I went Corner I listened to the people I went in Harry's every morning the thing was in Harry's every morning the thing was in Harry's every morning the thing was there for a long there for a long there for a long time I looked at it every day it was time I looked at it every day it was time I looked at it every day it was there I went in Harry's every day one there I went in Harry's every day one there I went in Harry's every day one day it was just missing day it was just missing day it was just missing continue to go in hares to see if
31:00continue to go in hares to see if continue to go in hares to see if anything was said about it nothing was anything was said about it nothing was anything was said about it nothing was said I don't know what happened to the said I don't know what happened to the said I don't know what happened to the drum by the 1980s klinsky was involved drum by the 1980s klinsky was involved drum by the 1980s klinsky was involved in Narcotics pornography arms dealing in Narcotics pornography arms dealing in Narcotics pornography arms dealing money laundering hijacking and contract money laundering hijacking and contract money laundering hijacking and contract killing on a worldwide killing on a worldwide killing on a worldwide basis he was also pressing 50 and basis he was also pressing 50 and basis he was also pressing 50 and getting tired he started to make getting tired he started to make getting tired he started to make mistakes he began to leave traces and mistakes he began to leave traces and mistakes he began to leave traces and law enforcement officers who had law enforcement officers who had law enforcement officers who had suspected him over the years began suspected him over the years began suspected him over the years began Gathering Gathering Gathering evidence klinsky would protect himself evidence klinsky would protect himself evidence klinsky would protect himself by killing anyone who could testify by killing anyone who could testify by killing anyone who could testify against him on December 27th 1982 a body against him on December 27th 1982 a body against him on December 27th 1982 a body was discovered at the York Motel in New was discovered at the York Motel in New was discovered at the York Motel in New Jersey the body was identified as Gary Jersey the body was identified as Gary Jersey the body was identified as Gary Smith 37 Smith had been given Cyanide Smith 37 Smith had been given Cyanide Smith 37 Smith had been given Cyanide and then strangled to death and then strangled to death and then strangled to death this was the first of many mistakes
32:00this was the first of many mistakes this was the first of many mistakes klinsky was to commit Gary Smith was klinsky was to commit Gary Smith was klinsky was to commit Gary Smith was found under a motel bed in New found under a motel bed in New found under a motel bed in New Jersey as I recall where some 20 people Jersey as I recall where some 20 people Jersey as I recall where some 20 people had used the room in 5 days and nobody had used the room in 5 days and nobody had used the room in 5 days and nobody had realized it was a rotting body had realized it was a rotting body had realized it was a rotting body underneath underneath underneath it the body was found in a decomposed it the body was found in a decomposed it the body was found in a decomposed state it was very hot state it was very hot state it was very hot weather Smith would have weather Smith would have weather Smith would have not been identifi ifed as a murder not been identifi ifed as a murder not been identifi ifed as a murder victim if he had died only of the victim if he had died only of the victim if he had died only of the cyanide if the cyanide had worked and he cyanide if the cyanide had worked and he cyanide if the cyanide had worked and he had died and he didn't need to be had died and he didn't need to be had died and he didn't need to be strangled that ligature Mark around the strangled that ligature Mark around the strangled that ligature Mark around the neck wouldn't have been seen and he neck wouldn't have been seen and he neck wouldn't have been seen and he would have been possibly a a drug addict would have been possibly a a drug addict would have been possibly a a drug addict overdose or lots of other things of an overdose or lots of other things of an overdose or lots of other things of an in of a non-homicidal nature would have in of a non-homicidal nature would have in of a non-homicidal nature would have to be considered on September 25th to be considered on September 25th to be considered on September 25th 1983 the body of Lewis masgay was found 1983 the body of Lewis masgay was found 1983 the body of Lewis masgay was found as he had done many times before to as he had done many times before to as he had done many times before to confuse the time of death klinsky had
33:00confuse the time of death klinsky had confuse the time of death klinsky had Frozen the body in an industrial freezer Frozen the body in an industrial freezer Frozen the body in an industrial freezer this was the murder that earned him the this was the murder that earned him the this was the murder that earned him the name of name of name of Iceman this murder was also his second Iceman this murder was also his second Iceman this murder was also his second deadly deadly deadly mistake he did too good a job in that mistake he did too good a job in that mistake he did too good a job in that body because he left that body in the body because he left that body in the body because he left that body in the Frieza for two years then took the body Frieza for two years then took the body Frieza for two years then took the body out and dumped it in Rockland out and dumped it in Rockland out and dumped it in Rockland County and the body was found before it County and the body was found before it County and the body was found before it had fully thought out so the doctor had fully thought out so the doctor had fully thought out so the doctor doing the autopsy the medical examin in doing the autopsy the medical examin in doing the autopsy the medical examin in Rockland County when he opened the body Rockland County when he opened the body Rockland County when he opened the body up saw ice inside the body in the up saw ice inside the body in the up saw ice inside the body in the summer's day and said there's something summer's day and said there's something summer's day and said there's something wrong here this guy uh could not have wrong here this guy uh could not have wrong here this guy uh could not have died two days ago the way he looks like died two days ago the way he looks like died two days ago the way he looks like from the from the from the outside on May 14th outside on May 14th outside on May 14th 1983 a bicyclist was riding down a 1983 a bicyclist was riding down a 1983 a bicyclist was riding down a lonely road in a wooded area and saw a lonely road in a wooded area and saw a lonely road in a wooded area and saw a buzzard feeding on a buzzard feeding on a buzzard feeding on a body it was Daniel depner 44 the third body it was Daniel depner 44 the third body it was Daniel depner 44 the third business associate of Richard klinsky to
34:00business associate of Richard klinsky to business associate of Richard klinsky to be found dead the body count grew there be found dead the body count grew there be found dead the body count grew there would soon be five unsolved murders with would soon be five unsolved murders with would soon be five unsolved murders with one thing in common the last person to one thing in common the last person to one thing in common the last person to see the victims alive had been Richard see the victims alive had been Richard see the victims alive had been Richard klinsky after 30 years of getting away klinsky after 30 years of getting away klinsky after 30 years of getting away with murder Richard kuklinski's time was with murder Richard kuklinski's time was with murder Richard kuklinski's time was running out he had been under running out he had been under running out he had been under investigation for 3 years and the police investigation for 3 years and the police investigation for 3 years and the police were beginning to put the pieces were beginning to put the pieces were beginning to put the pieces together together together what I told um my superiors uh in what I told um my superiors uh in what I told um my superiors uh in Trenton was that hey look you know we can check with that hey look you know we can check with the FBI and and and we can see that the FBI and and and we can see that the FBI and and and we can see that there's a certain number of given uh there's a certain number of given uh there's a certain number of given uh serial killers roaming around this serial killers roaming around this serial killers roaming around this country of country of country of ours but take a good hard look at what ours but take a good hard look at what ours but take a good hard look at what we got we got we got here we got Richie klinsky and there's here we got Richie klinsky and there's here we got Richie klinsky and there's only one of only one of only one of him in 1986 him in 1986 him in 1986 a division of the New Jersey Criminal
35:00a division of the New Jersey Criminal a division of the New Jersey Criminal Justice Department set up a task force Justice Department set up a task force Justice Department set up a task force made up of federal state and local law made up of federal state and local law made up of federal state and local law enforcement agencies the task force enforcement agencies the task force enforcement agencies the task force analyzed existing investigative material analyzed existing investigative material analyzed existing investigative material and gathered new and gathered new and gathered new information they had one mission to information they had one mission to information they had one mission to arrest and convict Richard arrest and convict Richard arrest and convict Richard klinsky when I first read the file which klinsky when I first read the file which klinsky when I first read the file which at the time was nothing more than a at the time was nothing more than a at the time was nothing more than a compilation of uh of several different compilation of uh of several different compilation of uh of several different unsolved homicides the more you looked unsolved homicides the more you looked unsolved homicides the more you looked for connections the less you found in for connections the less you found in for connections the less you found in this particular case because there was this particular case because there was this particular case because there was different types of murders different different types of murders different different types of murders different devices used the final method that was devices used the final method that was devices used the final method that was used was in fact the introduction of a used was in fact the introduction of a used was in fact the introduction of a undercover federal agent Dominic pfron undercover federal agent Dominic pfron undercover federal agent Dominic pfron who was able to win Mr kin's confidence who was able to win Mr kin's confidence who was able to win Mr kin's confidence and was able to record conversations and was able to record conversations and was able to record conversations where he detailed his participation in where he detailed his participation in where he detailed his participation in these murders I portrayed myself as a these murders I portrayed myself as a these murders I portrayed myself as a Hitman told him I worked for the uh Wise Hitman told him I worked for the uh Wise Hitman told him I worked for the uh Wise Guys downtown New York and my my brother Guys downtown New York and my my brother Guys downtown New York and my my brother was a good fell downtown and uh I went
36:00was a good fell downtown and uh I went was a good fell downtown and uh I went by the name by the name by the name of Dominic Michael of Dominic Michael of Dominic Michael provenzano you will to uh go out on a on provenzano you will to uh go out on a on provenzano you will to uh go out on a on a on a contract if the price is right a on a contract if the price is right a on a contract if the price is right I'll talk to anybody yeah sure and you I'll talk to anybody yeah sure and you I'll talk to anybody yeah sure and you mean to tell me your way is nice and mean to tell me your way is nice and mean to tell me your way is nice and clean and nothing [ __ ] shows clean and nothing [ __ ] shows clean and nothing [ __ ] shows up well it may show my friend but it's up well it may show my friend but it's up well it may show my friend but it's quiet it's not messy it's not noisy it's quiet it's not messy it's not noisy it's quiet it's not messy it's not noisy it's not uh you know yeah but how the [ __ ] do not uh you know yeah but how the [ __ ] do not uh you know yeah but how the [ __ ] do you put it together like you know what you put it together like you know what you put it together like you know what I'm saying oh there's always a way I'm saying oh there's always a way I'm saying oh there's always a way there's a will there's a way my friend there's a will there's a way my friend there's a will there's a way my friend we used to sit down we talk either we go we used to sit down we talk either we go we used to sit down we talk either we go to those tables over there and get away to those tables over there and get away to those tables over there and get away from people and we from people and we from people and we discuss how to murder people you know I discuss how to murder people you know I discuss how to murder people you know I just have a few problems I want to just have a few problems I want to just have a few problems I want to dispose of I have some rats I want to dispose of I have some rats I want to dispose of I have some rats I want to get rid of yeah only [ __ ] thing I get rid of yeah only [ __ ] thing I get rid of yeah only [ __ ] thing I don't understand don't you use a [ __ ] don't understand don't you use a [ __ ] don't understand don't you use a [ __ ] piece of ir to get rid of these [ __ ] piece of ir to get rid of these [ __ ] piece of ir to get rid of these [ __ ] people use this [ __ ] uh s why be people use this [ __ ] uh s why be people use this [ __ ] uh s why be messy can do it nice and calm messy can do it nice and calm messy can do it nice and calm it became apparent uh at later points in
37:00it became apparent uh at later points in it became apparent uh at later points in the investigation that Mr klinsky uh the investigation that Mr klinsky uh the investigation that Mr klinsky uh fully intended on murdering Dominic fully intended on murdering Dominic fully intended on murdering Dominic paone in addition to um the victims that paone in addition to um the victims that paone in addition to um the victims that were being discussed at the time they were being discussed at the time they were being discussed at the time they were having these tape recorded were having these tape recorded were having these tape recorded conversations so he could pretty much conversations so he could pretty much conversations so he could pretty much tell Dominic poone anything because he tell Dominic poone anything because he tell Dominic poone anything because he knew shortly that he had plans for Mr knew shortly that he had plans for Mr knew shortly that he had plans for Mr poone too you put that stuff in a Mist poone too you put that stuff in a Mist poone too you put that stuff in a Mist you spray it in somebody's you spray it in somebody's you spray it in somebody's face and they go to sleep no [ __ ] long face and they go to sleep no [ __ ] long face and they go to sleep no [ __ ] long as he's dead that's the bottom line well as he's dead that's the bottom line well as he's dead that's the bottom line well that's the thing isn't it no matter how that's the thing isn't it no matter how that's the thing isn't it no matter how it was done I mean I know guys that went it was done I mean I know guys that went it was done I mean I know guys that went to sleep and never woke up again I mean to sleep and never woke up again I mean to sleep and never woke up again I mean you you you know he says he had one guy he went and know he says he had one guy he went and know he says he had one guy he went and get a hamburger they come back and he get a hamburger they come back and he get a hamburger they come back and he put the cyanite on his put the cyanite on his put the cyanite on his hamburger and we're sitting down and hamburger and we're sitting down and hamburger and we're sitting down and he's telling me he says you wouldn't he's telling me he says you wouldn't he's telling me he says you wouldn't believe it he says I'm waiting for this believe it he says I'm waiting for this believe it he says I'm waiting for this guy to kill over he says because once guy to kill over he says because once guy to kill over he says because once you eat cyanide usually would you'd roll you eat cyanide usually would you'd roll you eat cyanide usually would you'd roll over and that's it he says this guy had over and that's it he says this guy had over and that's it he says this guy had the constitution of a [ __ ] bully he the constitution of a [ __ ] bully he the constitution of a [ __ ] bully he says you wouldn't believe it he says he says you wouldn't believe it he says he says you wouldn't believe it he says he wouldn't die and we're both laughing
38:00wouldn't die and we're both laughing wouldn't die and we're both laughing about this and I'm saying in the back of about this and I'm saying in the back of about this and I'm saying in the back of my mind I said holy God I said look at my mind I said holy God I said look at my mind I said holy God I said look at this I said what kind of person is this this I said what kind of person is this this I said what kind of person is this I said I said to myself right there I I said I said to myself right there I I said I said to myself right there I said you better cover your butt I said said you better cover your butt I said said you better cover your butt I said because you just don't know what this because you just don't know what this because you just don't know what this guy and he'd be kidding about it and I'd guy and he'd be kidding about it and I'd guy and he'd be kidding about it and I'd be laughing in the back of my mind I'm be laughing in the back of my mind I'm be laughing in the back of my mind I'm saying this is the devil no question saying this is the devil no question saying this is the devil no question about it this is the devil about it this is the devil about it this is the devil [Applause] on December 17th 1986 the special task on December 17th 1986 the special task force set up a roadblock and arrested force set up a roadblock and arrested force set up a roadblock and arrested Richard klinsky outside his home in Richard klinsky outside his home in Richard klinsky outside his home in deont New Jersey they felt they had all deont New Jersey they felt they had all deont New Jersey they felt they had all the evidence they needed for a conviction the whole road was blocked conviction the whole road was blocked off with off with off with cops uh local police state cops uh local police state cops uh local police state police division of Criminal Justice police division of Criminal Justice police division of Criminal Justice investigators County Personnel investigators County Personnel investigators County Personnel there was no place for him to go so he
39:00there was no place for him to go so he there was no place for him to go so he stopped his stopped his stopped his car uh he was told to get out of the car car uh he was told to get out of the car car uh he was told to get out of the car and he did not so he was not so he was uh taken out of the uh taken out of the uh taken out of the car and he was car and he was car and he was placed face down on the placed face down on the placed face down on the street in a position where we thought we street in a position where we thought we street in a position where we thought we were safe and then I handcuffed him that guy's him that guy's big I did everything I could to get one big I did everything I could to get one big I did everything I could to get one click on the click on the click on the handcuffs and uh later on uh I tried to handcuffs and uh later on uh I tried to handcuffs and uh later on uh I tried to put leg irons on them and there's no no put leg irons on them and there's no no put leg irons on them and there's no no way they would go on they just wouldn't way they would go on they just wouldn't way they would go on they just wouldn't go go go on law enforcement authorities have on law enforcement authorities have on law enforcement authorities have arrested one of the most notorious arrested one of the most notorious arrested one of the most notorious Contract Killers in State history a Contract Killers in State history a Contract Killers in State history a self-employed Bergen County man is be self-employed Bergen County man is be self-employed Bergen County man is be Behind Bars charged with five murders Behind Bars charged with five murders
40:00Behind Bars charged with five murders and prosecutors are investigating his and prosecutors are investigating his and prosecutors are investigating his involvement in dozens more this is involvement in dozens more this is involvement in dozens more this is unwarranted unwarranted unwarranted unnecessary these guys watch too many unnecessary these guys watch too many unnecessary these guys watch too many movies he is such a coldblooded killer movies he is such a coldblooded killer movies he is such a coldblooded killer they call him the ican after being they call him the ican after being they call him the ican after being convicted of two murders he confessed to convicted of two murders he confessed to convicted of two murders he confessed to two others in court today I shot George two others in court today I shot George two others in court today I shot George M five times uh leis masgay on July 1st M five times uh leis masgay on July 1st M five times uh leis masgay on July 1st 1981 I uh shot him once in the back of the I uh shot him once in the back of the head when the judge asked him why he had head when the judge asked him why he had head when the judge asked him why he had killed the two men klinsky replied it killed the two men klinsky replied it killed the two men klinsky replied it was due to was due to was due to business Dominic poon's tapes had nailed business Dominic poon's tapes had nailed business Dominic poon's tapes had nailed klinsky but in court the Iceman greeted klinsky but in court the Iceman greeted klinsky but in court the Iceman greeted the undercover cop with a the undercover cop with a the undercover cop with a smile he seemed to be quite cheery about smile he seemed to be quite cheery about smile he seemed to be quite cheery about saying hello to saying hello to saying hello to you well I reciprocated the only thing you well I reciprocated the only thing you well I reciprocated the only thing is uh I'm going home and uh he's going is uh I'm going home and uh he's going is uh I'm going home and uh he's going to a an environment at the present to a an environment at the present to a an environment at the present [Music]
41:00time it wasn't real to us we just had a time it wasn't real to us we just had a hard time dealing with what was in the hard time dealing with what was in the hard time dealing with what was in the press and I kept saying no way and I press and I kept saying no way and I press and I kept saying no way and I don't believe it and then when I don't believe it and then when I don't believe it and then when I actually heard his voice you know in actually heard his voice you know in actually heard his voice you know in court it was very hard to believe that court it was very hard to believe that court it was very hard to believe that he talked like that it was very very he talked like that it was very very he talked like that it was very very difficult to believe difficult to believe difficult to believe it always as far as you've known or it always as far as you've known or it always as far as you've known or heard there isn't too many things I heard there isn't too many things I heard there isn't too many things I haven't tried no matter how it was done haven't tried no matter how it was done haven't tried no matter how it was done I mean I know guys that went to sleep I mean I know guys that went to sleep I mean I know guys that went to sleep and never woke up again I mean you know the consensus know the consensus of the federal state county and local of the federal state county and local of the federal state county and local law enforcement agencies that were law enforcement agencies that were law enforcement agencies that were involved in this involved in this involved in this investigation is that Richard klinsky is investigation is that Richard klinsky is investigation is that Richard klinsky is one of the most dangerous criminals we one of the most dangerous criminals we one of the most dangerous criminals we have ever come across in this have ever come across in this have ever come across in this state uh further it's our feeling that
42:00state uh further it's our feeling that state uh further it's our feeling that uh he is of such a uh he is of such a uh he is of such a diabolical methodical type of killer diabolical methodical type of killer diabolical methodical type of killer that it's very possible that when all is that it's very possible that when all is that it's very possible that when all is said and done we still may never know said and done we still may never know said and done we still may never know how many people he has actually killed what Richard has been accused of killed what Richard has been accused of and found guilty of and spoke to you and found guilty of and spoke to you and found guilty of and spoke to you about goes against God and about goes against God and about goes against God and man I have man I have man I have very strong feelings I am totally very strong feelings I am totally very strong feelings I am totally antiviolence I mean as all my antiviolence I mean as all my antiviolence I mean as all my children and um I can't make those children and um I can't make those children and um I can't make those wrongs right I can't make them right in wrongs right I can't make them right in wrongs right I can't make them right in my own mind we are Richard kinsky family and we mind we are Richard kinsky family and we aren't ourselves anymore aren't ourselves anymore aren't ourselves anymore where we Richard klin's
43:00[Music] family I've never felt sorry for family I've never felt sorry for family I've never felt sorry for anything I've done other than hurting my anything I've done other than hurting my anything I've done other than hurting my family the only thing I feel sorry for I'm not looking for forgiveness and for I'm not looking for forgiveness and I'm not repenting no I am wrong I'm wrong I'm wrong I do want my family to forget me oh boy I'm going to make this one oh
44:00[ __ ] this would never be me this would [ __ ] this would never be me this would not be me I feel for my family you see the Iceman cry not very Macho but I've heard people that heard people that mean everything to me but the only people that mean anything
45:00but the only people that mean anything to [Music] me for
47:00I would move Heaven hell and anything in I would move Heaven hell and anything in between to get to between to get to between to get to you you wouldn't be safe anywhere if I you you wouldn't be safe anywhere if I you you wouldn't be safe anywhere if I was married at was married at was married at you and that's not bull dip that's truth you and that's not bull dip that's truth you and that's not bull dip that's truth I've went up against I've went up against I've went up against people you could pull a gun on me and if people you could pull a gun on me and if people you could pull a gun on me and if I'm mad at you I'm mad at you I'm mad at you [Music] [Music] I'm coming I'm coming I'm coming forward you'd have to shoot me to stop forward you'd have to shoot me to stop forward you'd have to shoot me to stop me and if you don't kill me and if you don't kill me and if you don't kill me you're me you're me you're stupid cu the next time you see stupid cu the next time you see stupid cu the next time you see me I will kill you Mr kiny we're going to conduct the cat
48:00Mr kiny we're going to conduct the cat search here put your arms search here put your arms search here put your arms up in up in up in 1991 Richard klinsky a contract killer 1991 Richard klinsky a contract killer 1991 Richard klinsky a contract killer known as The Iceman was interviewed by known as The Iceman was interviewed by known as The Iceman was interviewed by HBO for an America undercover special how many people did you approximately we go with more than 100 after a lifetime of Killing For Hire 100 after a lifetime of Killing For Hire klinsky was finally caught by an klinsky was finally caught by an klinsky was finally caught by an undercover ATF agent wearing a hidden undercover ATF agent wearing a hidden undercover ATF agent wearing a hidden wire you willing to uh go out on a on a wire you willing to uh go out on a on a wire you willing to uh go out on a on a on a contract if the price is right I'll on a contract if the price is right I'll on a contract if the price is right I'll talk to anybody yeah but how the [ __ ] do talk to anybody yeah but how the [ __ ] do talk to anybody yeah but how the [ __ ] do you put it together like you know what you put it together like you know what I'm saying there's always a way there's
49:00I'm saying there's always a way there's I'm saying there's always a way there's a will there a way my a will there a way my a will there a way my friend Richard klinsky is one of the friend Richard klinsky is one of the friend Richard klinsky is one of the most dangerous criminals we have ever this at the same time while exhibiting a normal Placid family existence his wife normal Placid family existence his wife normal Placid family existence his wife his children his children his children uh were uninvolved in his criminal uh were uninvolved in his criminal uh were uninvolved in his criminal activities yet uh we are faced with uh numerous Grizzly numerous Grizzly murders in 1986 the ATF and the New murders in 1986 the ATF and the New murders in 1986 the ATF and the New Jersey organized crime task force set up Jersey organized crime task force set up Jersey organized crime task force set up a roadblock outside klinsky home it took a roadblock outside klinsky home it took a roadblock outside klinsky home it took five men to bring down the 6'5 300lb five men to bring down the 6'5 300lb five men to bring down the 6'5 300lb killer and force handcuffs on him the killer and force handcuffs on him the killer and force handcuffs on him the Iceman's career as a master criminal was Iceman's career as a master criminal was Iceman's career as a master criminal was finally
50:00over Richard klinsky knows he will never over Richard klinsky knows he will never get out of jail with Nothing Left to get out of jail with Nothing Left to get out of jail with Nothing Left to Lose klinsky reveals new secrets about Lose klinsky reveals new secrets about Lose klinsky reveals new secrets about the years he spent as a contract killer the years he spent as a contract killer the years he spent as a contract killer for the gambino crime family and tells for the gambino crime family and tells for the gambino crime family and tells what happened in his life that turned what happened in his life that turned what happened in his life that turned him into a man law enforcement called him into a man law enforcement called him into a man law enforcement called The Iceman I hated my I hated my father if I could have I'd probably father if I could have I'd probably father if I could have I'd probably would have killed him probably would have felt good about him probably would have felt good about it though my father would beat me just for though my father would beat me just for just if I looked at him he gave me this just if I looked at him he gave me this just if I looked at him he gave me this impersonal feeling I have to when people impersonal feeling I have to when people impersonal feeling I have to when people die in front of me especially loud mou die in front of me especially loud mou die in front of me especially loud mou people people loud mouth people remind me of my loud mouth people remind me of my loud mouth people remind me of my father once a loud mouth person starts
51:00father once a loud mouth person starts father once a loud mouth person starts with me I love with me I love with me I love it that's the only excuse I need one night in a bar a loud mouth need one night in a bar a loud mouth made the mistake of insulting the made the mistake of insulting the made the mistake of insulting the 18-year-old kinsky in front of 18-year-old kinsky in front of 18-year-old kinsky in front of people a couple of hours later the people a couple of hours later the people a couple of hours later the Iceman saw his chance to get even I come out of this bar and I see even I come out of this bar and I see him sleeping in his him sleeping in his him sleeping in his [Music] [Music] cop I got you a little sucker now I got cop I got you a little sucker now I got cop I got you a little sucker now I got you I'm going to give you I'm going to you I'm going to give you I'm going to you I'm going to give you I'm going to light your fire and I did I got myself a light your fire and I did I got myself a light your fire and I did I got myself a bottle some bottle some bottle some gasoline and I threw it in the car with gasoline and I threw it in the car with gasoline and I threw it in the car with [Music] him and he was screaming and him and he was screaming and yelling and burn it and the car
52:00burnt and I could smell burnt and I could smell them I walked down the block and I could them I walked down the block and I could them I walked down the block and I could hear him as I turned the corner he was hear him as I turned the corner he was hear him as I turned the corner he was still [Music] yelling this was a personal thing yeah yelling this was a personal thing yeah yelling this was a personal thing yeah see this was a guy I disliked what did see this was a guy I disliked what did see this was a guy I disliked what did he do to you he made me mad by the age of 25 Richard klinsky had no by the age of 25 Richard klinsky had no problem with problem with problem with murder but now he wanted to get paid for murder but now he wanted to get paid for murder but now he wanted to get paid for it there was money in contract it there was money in contract it there was money in contract killing to prove himself he auditioned killing to prove himself he auditioned killing to prove himself he auditioned for Mafia coo Roy de said well I would expect you to uh if
53:00said well I would expect you to uh if you came with me I'd expect you to uh if you came with me I'd expect you to uh if you came with me I'd expect you to uh if I told you to whack somebody you'd whack I told you to whack somebody you'd whack I told you to whack somebody you'd whack them without any question so I said well I could probably question so I said well I could probably do do do that he says uh you probably could do it that he says uh you probably could do it that he says uh you probably could do it or could you do or could you do or could you do it did you do you think you could do it it did you do you think you could do it it did you do you think you could do it I said yeah I think I could do it so I said yeah I think I could do it so I said yeah I think I could do it so he told Freddy to get the car got the he told Freddy to get the car got the he told Freddy to get the car got the car he and I got in the back seat Freddy car he and I got in the back seat Freddy car he and I got in the back seat Freddy was was driving we drove someplace I don't know driving we drove someplace I don't know driving we drove someplace I don't know where it was was some place in New York and we were sitting there for a York and we were sitting there for a while we got to wherever we were going while we got to wherever we were going while we got to wherever we were going we sitting there for a while and a man we sitting there for a while and a man we sitting there for a while and a man came in the distance he was walking his came in the distance he was walking his came in the distance he was walking his dog it looked dog it looked dog it looked like so he all right take this guy
54:00take this guy down I said which what which guy we down I said which what which guy we down I said which what which guy we talking about talking about talking about here so he say the man walking in the dog so I got out of the car I started dog so I got out of the car I started walking towards the man the man was walking towards the man the man was walking towards the man the man was walking his dog just like a IR regular walking his dog just like a IR regular walking his dog just like a IR regular guy as he passed guy as he passed guy as he passed me I turned around and shot him [Music] Freddy and Roy pulled up in a car I got Freddy and Roy pulled up in a car I got Freddy and Roy pulled up in a car I got in the car and we drove in the car and we drove in the car and we drove away and that is away and that is away and that is how I got involved with Roy with doing how I got involved with Roy with doing how I got involved with Roy with doing things like things like things like [Music] that Roy deo's hangout was the G Lounge that Roy deo's hangout was the G Lounge in Brooklyn New York it was a house of
55:00in Brooklyn New York it was a house of in Brooklyn New York it was a house of horrors where over a hundred people were horrors where over a hundred people were horrors where over a hundred people were murdered chopped up and disposed of by murdered chopped up and disposed of by murdered chopped up and disposed of by Deo and his gang of lethal Contract Killers after proving himself klinsky Killers after proving himself klinsky quickly became one of deo's favorite quickly became one of deo's favorite quickly became one of deo's favorite enforcers Deo ordered the hits and enforcers Deo ordered the hits and enforcers Deo ordered the hits and klinsky executed them without klinsky executed them without klinsky executed them without question he wanted this guy uh taken question he wanted this guy uh taken question he wanted this guy uh taken care of uh but he wanted to talk to him of uh but he wanted to talk to him first so uh when I got to the first so uh when I got to the first so uh when I got to the place I asked the man for the money so place I asked the man for the money so place I asked the man for the money so the guy says he didn't have it and Roy the guy says he didn't have it and Roy the guy says he didn't have it and Roy would just have to wait until he got the would just have to wait until he got the would just have to wait until he got the money to pay him and that was that he'd money to pay him and that was that he'd money to pay him and that was that he'd have to wait I so I said to the man I have to wait I so I said to the man I have to wait I so I said to the man I said well you have to then talk to him said well you have to then talk to him said well you have to then talk to him he wants to talk to you so I dialed the
56:00he wants to talk to you so I dialed the he wants to talk to you so I dialed the phone number and uh he got on the phone phone number and uh he got on the phone phone number and uh he got on the phone and I said he he wants to talk to and I said he he wants to talk to and I said he he wants to talk to you so he was talking to you so he was talking to you so he was talking to him and uh I guess they were acting like him and uh I guess they were acting like him and uh I guess they were acting like everything was all right cuz he got off everything was all right cuz he got off everything was all right cuz he got off the phone he handed me the phone back he the phone he handed me the phone back he the phone he handed me the phone back he says he I told you he'd wait he's in a says he I told you he'd wait he's in a says he I told you he'd wait he's in a better frame of mind don't worry about better frame of mind don't worry about better frame of mind don't worry about it he wants to talk to you now so I it he wants to talk to you now so I it he wants to talk to you now so I picked up the phone and he said kill him so I shot him hung up the phone and walked him hung up the phone and walked [Music] away I just a hardworking away I just a hardworking expediter of expediter of expediter of sorts I looked as myself as a person who sorts I looked as myself as a person who sorts I looked as myself as a person who did something that somebody wanted did something that somebody wanted did something that somebody wanted done and they paid me a good done and they paid me a good done and they paid me a good [Music]
57:00price in the early 80s the gambinos were price in the early 80s the gambinos were feeling the heat of an intense feeling the heat of an intense feeling the heat of an intense investigation which reached as high as investigation which reached as high as investigation which reached as high as their boss Paul their boss Paul their boss Paul Castellano as the pressure from law Castellano as the pressure from law Castellano as the pressure from law enforcement grew the family began to enforcement grew the family began to enforcement grew the family began to worry about potential worry about potential worry about potential Witnesses one in particular presented a Witnesses one in particular presented a Witnesses one in particular presented a major problem his name was Peter Calabro major problem his name was Peter Calabro major problem his name was Peter Calabro the family ordered a hit and klinsky was the family ordered a hit and klinsky was the family ordered a hit and klinsky was given the contract on March 14th 1980 klinsky contract on March 14th 1980 klinsky drove for hours on a snow covered Road drove for hours on a snow covered Road drove for hours on a snow covered Road in Saddle River New Jersey waiting for a in Saddle River New Jersey waiting for a in Saddle River New Jersey waiting for a call to come through on his walkie-talkie I get a walkie-talkie I get a call that they're on their way so out call that they're on their way so out call that they're on their way so out there there there coming and it's
58:00coming and it's coming and it's snowing the roads are very bad a lot of snowing the roads are very bad a lot of snowing the roads are very bad a lot of snow slipping and snow slipping and snow slipping and sliding and I was in a van so what I figured van so what I figured is at the last moment I had a different is at the last moment I had a different is at the last moment I had a different plan but at the last moment I decided plan but at the last moment I decided plan but at the last moment I decided Well I'm going Well I'm going Well I'm going to double Park this to double Park this to double Park this thing this will give me the edge because thing this will give me the edge because thing this will give me the edge because this will make him have only one way to this will make him have only one way to this will make him have only one way to come by and that's he has to come right come by and that's he has to come right come by and that's he has to come right by this by this by this van and I go to the back of the van and van and I go to the back of the van and van and I go to the back of the van and I go out the back I go out the back I go out the back door I take the shotgun with me of door I take the shotgun with me of door I take the shotgun with me of course so I kneel down and I look under course so I kneel down and I look under course so I kneel down and I look under the the van so I can see where he's van so I can see where he's van so I can see where he's approximately approximately approximately at so I watched him come up to where at so I watched him come up to where at so I watched him come up to where he's almost in the front of the van and he's almost in the front of the van and he's almost in the front of the van and I stood up and as he's going by the
59:00van I fired I never knew the fired I never knew the man you know what he looked like or what man you know what he looked like or what man you know what he looked like or what his job was then I found out the next his job was then I found out the next his job was then I found out the next day that he was uh police but had I been police but had I been told to do him anyway and I knew it was told to do him anyway and I knew it was told to do him anyway and I knew it was the the police I most likely would have done it police I most likely would have done it police I most likely would have done it anyway I don't think I would have said anyway I don't think I would have said anyway I don't think I would have said no klinsky had killed a cop a cop who no klinsky had killed a cop a cop who no klinsky had killed a cop a cop who had gone bad selling information to the had gone bad selling information to the had gone bad selling information to the gambinos a cop who was eliminated before gambinos a cop who was eliminated before gambinos a cop who was eliminated before he could turn States witness for klinsky contracts like the witness for klinsky contracts like the collab murder were strictly business collab murder were strictly business collab murder were strictly business they gave him the money he needed for
1:00they gave him the money he needed for they gave him the money he needed for his his his family the Iceman was leading a double family the Iceman was leading a double family the Iceman was leading a double life he lived on a quiet street in life he lived on a quiet street in life he lived on a quiet street in Bergen County New Jersey surrounded by Bergen County New Jersey surrounded by Bergen County New Jersey surrounded by neighbors who had no idea they were neighbors who had no idea they were neighbors who had no idea they were living next door to a mafia living next door to a mafia living next door to a mafia Hitman he was determined that no one not Hitman he was determined that no one not Hitman he was determined that no one not even his own family would ever find out even his own family would ever find out even his own family would ever find out who he really who he really who he really was I never questioned him and you just was I never questioned him and you just was I never questioned him and you just knew don't do it don't ask uh if he got knew don't do it don't ask uh if he got knew don't do it don't ask uh if he got up at 2:00 in the morning or during up at 2:00 in the morning or during up at 2:00 in the morning or during dinner and put on his shoes and walked and it was just understood that that's the way it the way it the way it was I was the happiest when I was with was I was the happiest when I was with was I was the happiest when I was with Barbara never involved her anything I Barbara never involved her anything I Barbara never involved her anything I ever did never told her anything I ever did never told her anything I ever did never told her anything I did if I did I probably would have did if I did I probably would have did if I did I probably would have shocked the pants off her I don't she shocked the pants off her I don't she shocked the pants off her I don't she knew I had a violent temper and I did knew I had a violent temper and I did knew I had a violent temper and I did have a violent have a violent have a violent temper but I don't think she thought I
1:01temper but I don't think she thought I temper but I don't think she thought I would go as far as I did would go as far as I did would go as far as I did [Music] go Richard's time with his family was go Richard's time with his family was sacred and any interference would throw sacred and any interference would throw sacred and any interference would throw him into a rage it made him even more him into a rage it made him even more him into a rage it made him even more Angry if it happened during the holidays Angry if it happened during the holidays Angry if it happened during the holidays [Music] [Music] this fell he owed uh me about this fell he owed uh me about this fell he owed uh me about $1,600 so here we come Christmas $1,600 so here we come Christmas $1,600 so here we come Christmas Eve and I go there and he says n come Eve and I go there and he says n come Eve and I go there and he says n come with me we'll go out we'll have a good with me we'll go out we'll have a good with me we'll go out we'll have a good time we'll party we'll meet some broads time we'll party we'll meet some broads time we'll party we'll meet some broads with this that the other thing I said no with this that the other thing I said no with this that the other thing I said no I got to I would really like the I got to I would really like the I got to I would really like the money I got to buy something and uh you money I got to buy something and uh you money I got to buy something and uh you know he gave me the story Bull
1:02story Bull story so I left there I was uh a little story so I left there I was uh a little story so I left there I was uh a little bit upset got on the bus went home I was uh putting the toys together home I was uh putting the toys together for the kids and this thing was really for the kids and this thing was really for the kids and this thing was really bugging bugging bugging me it was annoying me it was annoying me it was annoying me was just making my whole disposition me was just making my whole disposition me was just making my whole disposition bad bad bad thought it just occurred to me this is thought it just occurred to me this is thought it just occurred to me this is [ __ ] it was Christmas Eve after [ __ ] it was Christmas Eve after [ __ ] it was Christmas Eve after midnight his family was sleeping klinsky midnight his family was sleeping klinsky midnight his family was sleeping klinsky got in his car and drove to New York got in his car and drove to New York got in his car and drove to New York City I went to the City I went to the City I went to the bar they told me he just left and he was bar they told me he just left and he was bar they told me he just left and he was parked a couple blocks down in the parked a couple blocks down in the parked a couple blocks down in the parking parking parking lot believe the parking lot was closed lot believe the parking lot was closed lot believe the parking lot was closed but he he was parked in but he he was parked in but he he was parked in there I saw his car his car was running there I saw his car his car was running there I saw his car his car was running but it had snow on
1:03it so I knocked on the door and he said it so I knocked on the door and he said hey how are you glad to see you come on hey how are you glad to see you come on hey how are you glad to see you come on sit down so I go walk around and past sit down so I go walk around and past sit down so I go walk around and past aside sit down I'm talking to him I said aside sit down I'm talking to him I said aside sit down I'm talking to him I said look I really need the look I really need the look I really need the money I says you know it's not right you money I says you know it's not right you money I says you know it's not right you you just been playing me like a fool you just been playing me like a fool you just been playing me like a fool here I had this pistol in my hand and he here I had this pistol in my hand and he here I had this pistol in my hand and he just was annoying me to no end with just was annoying me to no end with just was annoying me to no end with this this this babbling and he was just going on and babbling and he was just going on and babbling and he was just going on and [Music] on and I fired and I couldn't see a damn thing fired and I couldn't see a damn thing cuz there was snow on the cuz there was snow on the cuz there was snow on the windows and when that flash went windows and when that flash went windows and when that flash went off I just had spots before my eyes my off I just had spots before my eyes my off I just had spots before my eyes my ears were ringing because the noise ears were ringing because the noise ears were ringing because the noise inside the car when the the gun went off
1:04inside the car when the the gun went off inside the car when the the gun went off couldn't hear couldn't see then I panicked cuz now I don't know see then I panicked cuz now I don't know what's going on anyway I had caught the guy in the temple and as temple and as he moved back the second shot caught him he moved back the second shot caught him he moved back the second shot caught him in under the tree in only about the time I could in only about the time I could see I reached into Man's see I reached into Man's see I reached into Man's Pocket and he had a roll of Pocket and he had a roll of Pocket and he had a roll of money I took my $1,600 off him put the money I took my $1,600 off him put the money I took my $1,600 off him put the rest of the money of that was his in his rest of the money of that was his in his rest of the money of that was his in his pocket got out of the car and walked away and that when it happened one Christmas Eve in
1:05when it happened one Christmas Eve in New York City the Iceman had killed by gun by City the Iceman had killed by gun by knife by Molotov cocktail and knife by Molotov cocktail and knife by Molotov cocktail and cyanide but he also liked to experiment cyanide but he also liked to experiment cyanide but he also liked to experiment was I just popped a guy in the forehead was I just popped a guy in the forehead was I just popped a guy in the forehead with with with it actually was just seeing if it would work what was he doing at the time work what was he doing at the time looking at me well was he sitting down looking at me well was he sitting down looking at me well was he sitting down or were you standing over him or no he or were you standing over him or no he or were you standing over him or no he actually bent down look in the car actually bent down look in the car actually bent down look in the car window like I was asking him directions I didn't know the man
1:06was this a contract murder or was it was this a contract murder or was it something out of anger or was it a something out of anger or was it a something out of anger or was it a personal personal personal thing neither what what was neither what what was it I just wanted to see if this thing it I just wanted to see if this thing it I just wanted to see if this thing would work you mean you're experimenting would work you mean you're experimenting would work you mean you're experimenting on somebody on somebody on somebody right did it right did it right did it work sure did went halfway into his head klinsky was always looking for new head klinsky was always looking for new ways to get away with ways to get away with ways to get away with murder in the80s a man who was nicknamed murder in the80s a man who was nicknamed murder in the80s a man who was nicknamed Mr Softy teamed up with Mr Softy teamed up with Mr Softy teamed up with [Music] [Music] klinsky this harmless looking ice cream klinsky this harmless looking ice cream klinsky this harmless looking ice cream vendor was in reality an army Tred vendor was in reality an army Tred vendor was in reality an army Tred demolitions expert who was a violent and demolitions expert who was a violent and demolitions expert who was a violent and vicious killer vicious killer vicious killer Mr softi was an individual by name of Mr softi was an individual by name of Mr softi was an individual by name of Robert
1:07Robert Robert prong he used to operate a Mr softi prong he used to operate a Mr softi prong he used to operate a Mr softi truck that's why they he got the name Mr truck that's why they he got the name Mr truck that's why they he got the name Mr softi he became friendly with kinsky softi he became friendly with kinsky softi he became friendly with kinsky very friendly with very friendly with very friendly with him and it is our opinion that him and it is our opinion that him and it is our opinion that that uh friendship led to uh Richard that uh friendship led to uh Richard that uh friendship led to uh Richard kinsky learning a lot kinsky learning a lot kinsky learning a lot about uh killing with different types of about uh killing with different types of about uh killing with different types of of chemicals including of chemicals including of chemicals including [Music] [Music] cyanide he taught me a lot basically but cyanide he taught me a lot basically but cyanide he taught me a lot basically but he he he was extremely crazy but he would read all kinds of crazy but he would read all kinds of books on destruction and all kinds of books on destruction and all kinds of books on destruction and all kinds of way to uh to destroy way to uh to destroy way to uh to destroy somebody he used to go around this m a somebody he used to go around this m a somebody he used to go around this m a softy truck that's how he used to spot softy truck that's how he used to spot softy truck that's how he used to spot people
1:08and get the outlay of the land you know and get the outlay of the land you know where they were and easy ways and where they were and easy ways and where they were and easy ways and sometimes he'd do it right from the sometimes he'd do it right from the sometimes he'd do it right from the truck and he sold ice cream yes he did truck and he sold ice cream yes he did truck and he sold ice cream yes he did sold Mr sold Mr sold Mr sof he had one of those Mr Softy trucks sof he had one of those Mr Softy trucks sof he had one of those Mr Softy trucks did you ever see them that's what he did you ever see them that's what he did you ever see them that's what he sold and he sold ice cre to the little sold and he sold ice cre to the little sold and he sold ice cre to the little kids in the neighborhood yes he did and kids in the neighborhood yes he did and kids in the neighborhood yes he did and that's what he did he sold he'd go into that's what he did he sold he'd go into that's what he did he sold he'd go into his neighborhoods and his neighborhoods and his neighborhoods and sell ice cream to the kids and maybe sell ice cream to the kids and maybe sell ice cream to the kids and maybe kill one of their fathers on August 9th fathers on August 9th 1984 Mr softi was found dead hanging out 1984 Mr softi was found dead hanging out 1984 Mr softi was found dead hanging out of the driver's side seat in his Mr of the driver's side seat in his Mr of the driver's side seat in his Mr Softy Ice Cream Truck he had been killed Softy Ice Cream Truck he had been killed Softy Ice Cream Truck he had been killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the Head
1:09I think kinsky killed him because he I think kinsky killed him because he used him for his information he used him used him for his information he used him used him for his information he used him for his for his for his knowledge he probably brought him around knowledge he probably brought him around knowledge he probably brought him around brought him with him on certain jobs brought him with him on certain jobs brought him with him on certain jobs that he that he that he did and it was it was time for the boss did and it was it was time for the boss did and it was it was time for the boss to make the to make the to make the decision uh that he didn't want any more decision uh that he didn't want any more decision uh that he didn't want any more loose hands he may have said something loose hands he may have said something loose hands he may have said something something the wrong way to Richie who something the wrong way to Richie who something the wrong way to Richie who knows whatever it was kinsky in my knows whatever it was kinsky in my knows whatever it was kinsky in my opinion made the decision to kill him after pong's murder kiny was hired him after pong's murder kiny was hired for a dangerous contract no one else for a dangerous contract no one else for a dangerous contract no one else would would would touch it was here in a crowded discotek touch it was here in a crowded discotek touch it was here in a crowded discotek that the cyanide killing techniques that the cyanide killing techniques that the cyanide killing techniques learned from Mr Softy paid off couldn't learned from Mr Softy paid off couldn't learned from Mr Softy paid off couldn't get to this person he was in a uh disco
1:10so I was really in a bad way so I was really in a bad way because there was a time schedule because there was a time schedule because there was a time schedule involved