The Benefits of Red Light Therapy Interview with Scott Nelson from Joovv
00:00hello everyone what's going on we're hello everyone what's going on we're back two days in a row happy Thursday back two days in a row happy Thursday back two days in a row happy Thursday maybe even tonight yeah I should have maybe even tonight yeah I should have maybe even tonight yeah I should have talked about that we're still deciding talked about that we're still deciding talked about that we're still deciding if we're gonna do murder she ate tonight if we're gonna do murder she ate tonight if we're gonna do murder she ate tonight but we have an interview today talking but we have an interview today talking but we have an interview today talking all about the benefits of red light all about the benefits of red light all about the benefits of red light therapy and we actually have it back therapy and we actually have it back therapy and we actually have it back here yeah this is the red light device here yeah this is the red light device here yeah this is the red light device and we use it daily wow that's bright we and we use it daily wow that's bright we and we use it daily wow that's bright we just got it only a couple weeks ago yeah just got it only a couple weeks ago yeah just got it only a couple weeks ago yeah and it's really bright so I'll turn it and it's really bright so I'll turn it and it's really bright so I'll turn it off off off but yeah that's we're gonna be talking but yeah that's we're gonna be talking but yeah that's we're gonna be talking about today we don't know a lot about it about today we don't know a lot about it about today we don't know a lot about it it seems like so from the chat it seems like so from the chat it seems like so from the chat beforehand you guys don't know a ton beforehand you guys don't know a ton beforehand you guys don't know a ton about it either so if you have questions about it either so if you have questions about it either so if you have questions we'll get to those but we're talking to we'll get to those but we're talking to we'll get to those but we're talking to Scott Nelson the founder and so we're Scott Nelson the founder and so we're Scott Nelson the founder and so we're really excited to dig deep and there he really excited to dig deep and there he really excited to dig deep and there he is how's it going Scott hey guys thanks is how's it going Scott hey guys thanks is how's it going Scott hey guys thanks for having me on for having me on for having me on so you're the founder of Juve it's so you're the founder of Juve it's so you're the founder of Juve it's correct someone want one of us founders correct someone want one of us founders correct someone want one of us founders okay so are you like the first red light okay so are you like the first red light okay so are you like the first red light company on the market because you're
01:00company on the market because you're company on the market because you're like the biggest one that I've heard of like the biggest one that I've heard of like the biggest one that I've heard of no there's a there's a couple other red no there's a there's a couple other red no there's a there's a couple other red light therapy players that have been light therapy players that have been light therapy players that have been around actually for quite some time but around actually for quite some time but around actually for quite some time but have primarily focused on skin related have primarily focused on skin related have primarily focused on skin related benefits that come with light therapy benefits that come with light therapy benefits that come with light therapy and you'll hopefully have to excuse some and you'll hopefully have to excuse some and you'll hopefully have to excuse some of that background noise we're recording of that background noise we're recording of that background noise we're recording this obviously and during the times of this obviously and during the times of this obviously and during the times of coronavirus so I'm at home and there may coronavirus so I'm at home and there may coronavirus so I'm at home and there may be some rocks that bark in the be some rocks that bark in the be some rocks that bark in the background but yeah there's there's a background but yeah there's there's a background but yeah there's there's a couple other players but for the most couple other players but for the most couple other players but for the most part anyone that may have heard of red part anyone that may have heard of red part anyone that may have heard of red light therapy or LED light therapy is light therapy or LED light therapy is light therapy or LED light therapy is probably for its skin related benefits probably for its skin related benefits probably for its skin related benefits but we are one of the first companies to but we are one of the first companies to but we are one of the first companies to actually manufacture full-body light actually manufacture full-body light actually manufacture full-body light therapy devices that are designed for therapy devices that are designed for therapy devices that are designed for home use and that that are really more home use and that that are really more home use and that that are really more focused on much of a broader benefits focused on much of a broader benefits focused on much of a broader benefits than just skin of course all of us than just skin of course all of us than just skin of course all of us probably like to have like to see better probably like to have like to see better probably like to have like to see better better better skin but the benefits of better better skin but the benefits of better better skin but the benefits of light therapy go much broader than I disputed to some degree so what would disputed to some degree so what would you say are like the top well proven you say are like the top well proven you say are like the top well proven benefits of red light therapy yeah so
02:00benefits of red light therapy yeah so benefits of red light therapy yeah so there's probably you know maybe a there's probably you know maybe a there's probably you know maybe a handful of benefits that are supported handful of benefits that are supported handful of benefits that are supported by a robust amount of science and those by a robust amount of science and those by a robust amount of science and those would be skin like I've mentioned before would be skin like I've mentioned before would be skin like I've mentioned before very clear based on published very clear based on published very clear based on published peer-reviewed science that peer-reviewed science that peer-reviewed science that if you use red light visible red light if you use red light visible red light if you use red light visible red light therapy or visible red wavelengths therapy or visible red wavelengths therapy or visible red wavelengths consistently you'll see skin related consistently you'll see skin related consistently you'll see skin related benefits another benefit category would benefits another benefit category would benefits another benefit category would be pain and inflammation very well be pain and inflammation very well be pain and inflammation very well documented again in clinical research documented again in clinical research documented again in clinical research that consistent use especially with that consistent use especially with that consistent use especially with near-infrared and hopefully we'll get near-infrared and hopefully we'll get near-infrared and hopefully we'll get into the differences between the two into the differences between the two into the differences between the two wavelengths red versus near-infrared but wavelengths red versus near-infrared but wavelengths red versus near-infrared but near-infrared specifically leads to a near-infrared specifically leads to a near-infrared specifically leads to a reduction in pain and inflammation and reduction in pain and inflammation and reduction in pain and inflammation and then another really proven benefit then another really proven benefit then another really proven benefit category would be it's a little bit kind category would be it's a little bit kind category would be it's a little bit kind of broad but kind of fitness and of broad but kind of fitness and of broad but kind of fitness and athletic performance so that can mean athletic performance so that can mean athletic performance so that can mean faster muscle recovery and it can also faster muscle recovery and it can also faster muscle recovery and it can also mean enhanced athletic performance as mean enhanced athletic performance as mean enhanced athletic performance as well and so that's another very clear well and so that's another very clear well and so that's another very clear benefit category so those would probably
03:00benefit category so those would probably benefit category so those would probably be the top three and then there's a lot be the top three and then there's a lot be the top three and then there's a lot of emerging research for other benefit of emerging research for other benefit of emerging research for other benefit categories as well things related to categories as well things related to categories as well things related to hormone health and hopefully we'll get hormone health and hopefully we'll get hormone health and hopefully we'll get into a little bit of that because we've into a little bit of that because we've into a little bit of that because we've done some interesting research with done some interesting research with done some interesting research with respect to the synergies between respect to the synergies between respect to the synergies between ketogenic the ketogenic diet and red ketogenic the ketogenic diet and red ketogenic the ketogenic diet and red light therapy so hormone health light therapy so hormone health light therapy so hormone health cognitive function is another another cognitive function is another another cognitive function is another another benefit category that is is starting to benefit category that is is starting to benefit category that is is starting to emerge as well and then a few others emerge as well and then a few others emerge as well and then a few others would would be weight loss envision the would would be weight loss envision the would would be weight loss envision the list goes on and on but but those are list goes on and on but but those are list goes on and on but but those are those are probably what I definitely those are probably what I definitely those are probably what I definitely would consider it emerging benefit would consider it emerging benefit would consider it emerging benefit categories okay so for someone who knows categories okay so for someone who knows categories okay so for someone who knows nothing about light at all we're nothing about light at all we're nothing about light at all we're standing in the Sun we're getting full standing in the Sun we're getting full standing in the Sun we're getting full spectrum light right yeah you got it yep spectrum light right yeah you got it yep spectrum light right yeah you got it yep and so like let's say what are those and so like let's say what are those and so like let's say what are those yeah it kind of depends I mean most most yeah it kind of depends I mean most most yeah it kind of depends I mean most most bulbs that you'd you know most LED bulbs bulbs that you'd you know most LED bulbs bulbs that you'd you know most LED bulbs that you pick up at a home improvement that you pick up at a home improvement that you pick up at a home improvement in store home improvement store gonna
04:00in store home improvement store gonna in store home improvement store gonna deliver bright white light or bright deliver bright white light or bright deliver bright white light or bright blue light one of the two and and so to blue light one of the two and and so to blue light one of the two and and so to your point like if I'm outside recording your point like if I'm outside recording your point like if I'm outside recording this outside under you know bright you this outside under you know bright you this outside under you know bright you know the natural natural sunlight here know the natural natural sunlight here know the natural natural sunlight here in Southern California but it's the the in Southern California but it's the the in Southern California but it's the the parallel or in the analogy I would like parallel or in the analogy I would like parallel or in the analogy I would like I like to use it's almost like serving I like to use it's almost like serving I like to use it's almost like serving up a plate of a food that encompasses up a plate of a food that encompasses up a plate of a food that encompasses all of you different macronutrients all of you different macronutrients all of you different macronutrients right proteins carbs fats right proteins carbs fats right proteins carbs fats etc that's kind of like the comparison etc that's kind of like the comparison etc that's kind of like the comparison with full spectrum sunlight natural Sun with full spectrum sunlight natural Sun with full spectrum sunlight natural Sun delivers a broad range of wavelengths delivers a broad range of wavelengths delivers a broad range of wavelengths and all of those wavelengths can be very and all of those wavelengths can be very and all of those wavelengths can be very beneficial based on the time of day that beneficial based on the time of day that beneficial based on the time of day that you're you're exposed to them right so you're you're exposed to them right so you're you're exposed to them right so some of your audience probably is some of your audience probably is some of your audience probably is familiar with maybe then some of the familiar with maybe then some of the familiar with maybe then some of the downstream negative ramifications of downstream negative ramifications of downstream negative ramifications of excess of blue light which is true if excess of blue light which is true if excess of blue light which is true if you're exposed to blue after the Sun you're exposed to blue after the Sun you're exposed to blue after the Sun sets that can be very disruptive to your sets that can be very disruptive to your sets that can be very disruptive to your city circadian rhythm exposing yourself city circadian rhythm exposing yourself city circadian rhythm exposing yourself to bright blue light in the morning can to bright blue light in the morning can to bright blue light in the morning can actually reset your circadian rhythm
05:00actually reset your circadian rhythm actually reset your circadian rhythm because it serves as a signal to your because it serves as a signal to your because it serves as a signal to your brain that you should be wide awake and brain that you should be wide awake and brain that you should be wide awake and so my point in kind of describing that so my point in kind of describing that so my point in kind of describing that is that all of these wavelengths found is that all of these wavelengths found is that all of these wavelengths found in natural sunlight can be beneficial in natural sunlight can be beneficial in natural sunlight can be beneficial but the reality of kind of our modern but the reality of kind of our modern but the reality of kind of our modern lifestyles is we we don't really get lifestyles is we we don't really get lifestyles is we we don't really get enough natural light in fact it's a enough natural light in fact it's a enough natural light in fact it's a pretty well-known statistic that most pretty well-known statistic that most pretty well-known statistic that most Americans spend 93% of their life under Americans spend 93% of their life under Americans spend 93% of their life under artificial light which is you know artificial light which is you know artificial light which is you know tickly different than how our biological tickly different than how our biological tickly different than how our biological systems have have changed over time and systems have have changed over time and systems have have changed over time and so that's kind of one of the messages so that's kind of one of the messages so that's kind of one of the messages that I deserve home with Jews that you that I deserve home with Jews that you that I deserve home with Jews that you know certain wavelengths that like be know certain wavelengths that like be know certain wavelengths that like be very healthy we just it of them um most very healthy we just it of them um most very healthy we just it of them um most of us too don't get enough of them in of us too don't get enough of them in of us too don't get enough of them in our kind of our day-to-day and our kind of our day-to-day and our kind of our day-to-day and week-to-week routines has red light in week-to-week routines has red light in week-to-week routines has red light in it it's just like so small but and it it's just like so small but and it it's just like so small but and compared to like the uva/uvb you just compared to like the uva/uvb you just compared to like the uva/uvb you just can't tell yeah well look at the sunrise can't tell yeah well look at the sunrise can't tell yeah well look at the sunrise and the sunset actually it's that
06:00and the sunset actually it's that and the sunset actually it's that gorgeous reddish color that's visible gorgeous reddish color that's visible gorgeous reddish color that's visible you know red orange and red light that you know red orange and red light that you know red orange and red light that you're that you're saying oh yeah and so you're that you're saying oh yeah and so you're that you're saying oh yeah and so just like you know the Sun delivers blue just like you know the Sun delivers blue just like you know the Sun delivers blue light during the day a white bright light during the day a white bright light during the day a white bright white and bright blue light and UV UV a white and bright blue light and UV UV a white and bright blue light and UV UV a B and C wavelengths as well during the B and C wavelengths as well during the B and C wavelengths as well during the day and that that can be healthy right day and that that can be healthy right day and that that can be healthy right yeah within context right I'm not yeah within context right I'm not yeah within context right I'm not talking about going to the you know if talking about going to the you know if talking about going to the you know if you're never exposed to natural sunlight you're never exposed to natural sunlight you're never exposed to natural sunlight and then going to the beach and getting and then going to the beach and getting and then going to the beach and getting fried for four hours that's not great fried for four hours that's not great fried for four hours that's not great that's not a great recipe for success that's not a great recipe for success that's not a great recipe for success but but yeah the the Sun includes all of but but yeah the the Sun includes all of but but yeah the the Sun includes all of those wavelengths UV UV ultraviolet those wavelengths UV UV ultraviolet those wavelengths UV UV ultraviolet wavelengths blue wavelengths green wavelengths blue wavelengths green wavelengths blue wavelengths green wavelengths red orange even infrared wavelengths red orange even infrared wavelengths red orange even infrared wavelengths but wavelengths but wavelengths but when we're talking about red light when we're talking about red light when we're talking about red light therapy as it's kind of a commonly known therapy as it's kind of a commonly known therapy as it's kind of a commonly known as it like we're delivering very as it like we're delivering very as it like we're delivering very specific concentrated wavelengths in the specific concentrated wavelengths in the specific concentrated wavelengths in the visible red spectrum and then the visible red spectrum and then the visible red spectrum and then the invisible near-infrared spectrum so invisible near-infrared spectrum so invisible near-infrared spectrum so that's kind of the differences between that's kind of the differences between that's kind of the differences between you know full spectrum sunlight and you
07:00you know full spectrum sunlight and you you know full spectrum sunlight and you know red light therapy devices as as know red light therapy devices as as know red light therapy devices as as kind of we're calling them you're on kind of we're calling them you're on kind of we're calling them you're on this uh on this in this discussion so this uh on this in this discussion so this uh on this in this discussion so the argument would be where our light the argument would be where our light the argument would be where our light diet is out of balance we're getting all diet is out of balance we're getting all diet is out of balance we're getting all of this more like blue white lights and of this more like blue white lights and of this more like blue white lights and we're not getting enough red and we're not getting enough red and we're not getting enough red and infrared lights you got it you got it infrared lights you got it you got it infrared lights you got it you got it and that stat that I threw out earlier and that stat that I threw out earlier and that stat that I threw out earlier I'm not sure how I can I can't see your I'm not sure how I can I can't see your I'm not sure how I can I can't see your response right now but I'm not sure if response right now but I'm not sure if response right now but I'm not sure if that resonates with you when you think that resonates with you when you think that resonates with you when you think about it but when we first started about it but when we first started about it but when we first started company in Minneapolis company in Minneapolis company in Minneapolis when I first statistic that that you when I first statistic that that you when I first statistic that that you know roughly about 90% of the average know roughly about 90% of the average know roughly about 90% of the average Americans law is spent indoors I was Americans law is spent indoors I was Americans law is spent indoors I was like now like true but then you know I I like now like true but then you know I I like now like true but then you know I I was I you know took it I did take an was I you know took it I did take an was I you know took it I did take an introspective look at like my my daily introspective look at like my my daily introspective look at like my my daily my weekly routine living in you know the my weekly routine living in you know the my weekly routine living in you know the Upper Midwest there's long periods of Upper Midwest there's long periods of Upper Midwest there's long periods of the of the year where there's not really the of the year where there's not really the of the year where there's not really not a lot of a lot of natural light or not a lot of a lot of natural light or not a lot of a lot of natural light or it's just simply too cold sick I'd and I it's just simply too cold sick I'd and I it's just simply too cold sick I'd and I started thinking about this wait a
08:00started thinking about this wait a started thinking about this wait a second hey I get ready in the morning second hey I get ready in the morning second hey I get ready in the morning under artificial light mu and the Sun under artificial light mu and the Sun under artificial light mu and the Sun isn't even up I spend all my time isn't even up I spend all my time isn't even up I spend all my time indoors you know at the office so to indoors you know at the office so to indoors you know at the office so to speak and then by the time I get home speak and then by the time I get home speak and then by the time I get home maybe I'm catching the sunset maybe a maybe I'm catching the sunset maybe a maybe I'm catching the sunset maybe a little bit of sunset and that's about it little bit of sunset and that's about it little bit of sunset and that's about it I was like you know what I'm actually I was like you know what I'm actually I was like you know what I'm actually higher probably spend 95% of my time higher probably spend 95% of my time higher probably spend 95% of my time Orr's and that's just drastically acid Orr's and that's just drastically acid Orr's and that's just drastically acid drastically different lifestyle than drastically different lifestyle than drastically different lifestyle than even a hundred years ago and so yeah if even a hundred years ago and so yeah if even a hundred years ago and so yeah if you kind of if you're tracking with that you kind of if you're tracking with that you kind of if you're tracking with that that of core foundation of like wow okay that of core foundation of like wow okay that of core foundation of like wow okay so yeah we our lifestyles are definitely so yeah we our lifestyles are definitely so yeah we our lifestyles are definitely different different different you have to ask yourself is that health you have to ask yourself is that health you have to ask yourself is that health healthy thing and I would I would argue healthy thing and I would I would argue healthy thing and I would I would argue it's not it's not a healthy thing that it's not it's not a healthy thing that it's not it's not a healthy thing that we are kind of mad as you put it light we are kind of mad as you put it light we are kind of mad as you put it light deprived and then when we do get natural deprived and then when we do get natural deprived and then when we do get natural light exposure it's the right it's the I light exposure it's the right it's the I light exposure it's the right it's the I go to the I go to the the beach on one go to the I go to the the beach on one go to the I go to the the beach on one one Saturday a month I'd spend six hours one Saturday a month I'd spend six hours one Saturday a month I'd spend six hours at the beach and just get fried and oh at the beach and just get fried and oh at the beach and just get fried and oh yeah that that's right that's why my
09:00yeah that that's right that's why my yeah that that's right that's why my doctor says that you know ultraviolet doctor says that you know ultraviolet doctor says that you know ultraviolet light is bad it's like well yeah within light is bad it's like well yeah within light is bad it's like well yeah within context it's bad with water if you go context it's bad with water if you go context it's bad with water if you go drink twenty gallons of water in a day drink twenty gallons of water in a day drink twenty gallons of water in a day that can be probably bad too but in and that can be probably bad too but in and that can be probably bad too but in and of itself is good it's good for us you of itself is good it's good for us you of itself is good it's good for us you know what I mean so so yeah that kind of know what I mean so so yeah that kind of know what I mean so so yeah that kind of core foundational thesis is what we're core foundational thesis is what we're core foundational thesis is what we're trying to is sort of what we're trying trying to is sort of what we're trying trying to is sort of what we're trying to kind of preach with with juve is that to kind of preach with with juve is that to kind of preach with with juve is that light is actually can be very healthy it light is actually can be very healthy it light is actually can be very healthy it should be kind of part of that natural should be kind of part of that natural should be kind of part of that natural healthy equation and most of us just healthy equation and most of us just healthy equation and most of us just don't get enough of it don't get enough of it don't get enough of it whether it's we live in a in a geography whether it's we live in a in a geography whether it's we live in a in a geography that doesn't support natural light even that doesn't support natural light even that doesn't support natural light even here in Southern California here in Southern California here in Southern California you know most most of us work in front you know most most of us work in front you know most most of us work in front of a computer sometimes hard to work of a computer sometimes hard to work of a computer sometimes hard to work outside and so like there's all these outside and so like there's all these outside and so like there's all these they'll all these constraints all these they'll all these constraints all these they'll all these constraints all these limitations and that's where revenue limitations and that's where revenue limitations and that's where revenue comes in it's a great way to kind of comes in it's a great way to kind of comes in it's a great way to kind of cement you know that that might diet so cement you know that that might diet so cement you know that that might diet so to speak just like all of us would to speak just like all of us would to speak just like all of us would supplement with a multivitamin as an supplement with a multivitamin as an supplement with a multivitamin as an example so it's a great way and it's a example so it's a great way and it's a example so it's a great way and it's a proven way and I want I want to make
10:00proven way and I want I want to make proven way and I want I want to make sure that this is not just theory like sure that this is not just theory like sure that this is not just theory like this these types of links are improved this these types of links are improved this these types of links are improved and by robust Amaya's that lead to lead and by robust Amaya's that lead to lead and by robust Amaya's that lead to lead to a wide variety of benefits that kind to a wide variety of benefits that kind to a wide variety of benefits that kind of serves as sort of the that kind of of serves as sort of the that kind of of serves as sort of the that kind of the that's very substantial evidence is the that's very substantial evidence is the that's very substantial evidence is what I'm trying to get that that that what I'm trying to get that that that what I'm trying to get that that that showcases clear benefits to this sort of showcases clear benefits to this sort of showcases clear benefits to this sort of hypothesis or this now okay so give me hypothesis or this now okay so give me hypothesis or this now okay so give me someone obviously you concerned a lot someone obviously you concerned a lot someone obviously you concerned a lot about light your light diet what does about light your light diet what does about light your light diet what does your daily routine look like like are your daily routine look like like are your daily routine look like like are you limiting certain kinds of light at you limiting certain kinds of light at you limiting certain kinds of light at certain times of the day and I guess certain times of the day and I guess certain times of the day and I guess what are some like the biggest mistakes what are some like the biggest mistakes what are some like the biggest mistakes the normal person who's not thinking the normal person who's not thinking the normal person who's not thinking about this is making yeah yeah I'd say I about this is making yeah yeah I'd say I about this is making yeah yeah I'd say I first and foremost I think step number first and foremost I think step number first and foremost I think step number one is don't don't go don't go just like one is don't don't go don't go just like one is don't don't go don't go just like let's let's let's take the example kind let's let's let's take the example kind let's let's let's take the example kind of going back to the multivitamin kind of going back to the multivitamin kind of going back to the multivitamin kind of example of the supplement example of example of the supplement example of example of the supplement example most people that may be listening have most people that may be listening have most people that may be listening have been to maybe a naturopath or like a been to maybe a naturopath or like a been to maybe a naturopath or like a there's probably decent amount of your
11:00there's probably decent amount of your there's probably decent amount of your audience it's been to a naturopath they audience it's been to a naturopath they audience it's been to a naturopath they get blood work done and you know then get blood work done and you know then get blood work done and you know then they go buy a bunch of supplements um they go buy a bunch of supplements um they go buy a bunch of supplements um you know based on kind of what their you know based on kind of what their you know based on kind of what their blood work shows what we would actually blood work shows what we would actually blood work shows what we would actually suggest is suggest is suggest is don't if you're if you kind of come to don't if you're if you kind of come to don't if you're if you kind of come to the realization that yeah I probably the realization that yeah I probably the realization that yeah I probably don't get enough natural light don't go don't get enough natural light don't go don't get enough natural light don't go by by by ideally don't go by a red light therapy ideally don't go by a red light therapy ideally don't go by a red light therapy device I'm instead to be more cognizant device I'm instead to be more cognizant device I'm instead to be more cognizant about your daily routine and try to get about your daily routine and try to get about your daily routine and try to get more natural light that's like--that's more natural light that's like--that's more natural light that's like--that's that's free medicine as a friend of mine that's free medicine as a friend of mine that's free medicine as a friend of mine dr. Horace Ohio likes to say it's free dr. Horace Ohio likes to say it's free dr. Horace Ohio likes to say it's free it doesn't cost anything it just it doesn't cost anything it just it doesn't cost anything it just requires you to be a little bit more requires you to be a little bit more requires you to be a little bit more cognizant about just getting a little cognizant about just getting a little cognizant about just getting a little bit more natural light during the day bit more natural light during the day bit more natural light during the day maybe even if it's 10:00 to fitness and maybe even if it's 10:00 to fitness and maybe even if it's 10:00 to fitness and so in terms of like my my ideal I think so in terms of like my my ideal I think so in terms of like my my ideal I think probably where we're what kind of probably where we're what kind of probably where we're what kind of obvious things for most people maybe obvious things for most people maybe obvious things for most people maybe miss out on is is that best number one miss out on is is that best number one miss out on is is that best number one just being more cognizant of getting just being more cognizant of getting just being more cognizant of getting more natural light as an example I try more natural light as an example I try more natural light as an example I try to I'm recording this outside that's on to I'm recording this outside that's on to I'm recording this outside that's on purpose I don't necessarily hope the dog purpose I don't necessarily hope the dog purpose I don't necessarily hope the dog barking around isn't a terrible barking around isn't a terrible barking around isn't a terrible distraction but I'm trying to record distraction but I'm trying to record distraction but I'm trying to record this outside because it's it's kind of a
12:00this outside because it's it's kind of a this outside because it's it's kind of a healthy thing most people are going to healthy thing most people are going to healthy thing most people are going to be inside right in front of a screen be inside right in front of a screen be inside right in front of a screen that is delivering you know bright white that is delivering you know bright white that is delivering you know bright white bright blue light not a terrible thing bright blue light not a terrible thing bright blue light not a terrible thing during the day but once the Sun begins during the day but once the Sun begins during the day but once the Sun begins to set you're like that very disruptive to set you're like that very disruptive to set you're like that very disruptive to your circadian rhythm because that to your circadian rhythm because that to your circadian rhythm because that bright white or that bright blue light bright white or that bright blue light bright white or that bright blue light from a computer screen or from from a from a computer screen or from from a from a computer screen or from from a mobile phone mobile phone mobile phone again it serves as a signal to your again it serves as a signal to your again it serves as a signal to your brain that you should be wide awake brain that you should be wide awake brain that you should be wide awake right that's why during midday Sun it's right that's why during midday Sun it's right that's why during midday Sun it's very bright because our bodies are that very bright because our bodies are that very bright because our bodies are that serving as a signal that our body should serving as a signal that our body should serving as a signal that our body should be alert and we should be ready and but be alert and we should be ready and but be alert and we should be ready and but but when you're exposed to those what but when you're exposed to those what but when you're exposed to those what those those wavelet those bright white those those wavelet those bright white those those wavelet those bright white or bright blue light blue wavelengths or bright blue light blue wavelengths or bright blue light blue wavelengths after the Sun sets that's actually a after the Sun sets that's actually a after the Sun sets that's actually a time when your body to begin to enter time when your body to begin to enter time when your body to begin to enter like a resting period as you kind of like a resting period as you kind of like a resting period as you kind of prepare for sleep and so that's that prepare for sleep and so that's that prepare for sleep and so that's that that's sort of the the Rob is that some that's sort of the the Rob is that some that's sort of the the Rob is that some these wavelengths can be very good but these wavelengths can be very good but these wavelengths can be very good but they have to be you have to think about they have to be you have to think about they have to be you have to think about them with with and within context and so them with with and within context and so them with with and within context and so kind of going back to your question I
13:00kind of going back to your question I kind of going back to your question I hate to sound long-winded but I kind of hate to sound long-winded but I kind of hate to sound long-winded but I kind of wanted to set the stage for that is step wanted to set the stage for that is step wanted to set the stage for that is step one would be just be more cognizant of one would be just be more cognizant of one would be just be more cognizant of more getting more natural light exposure more getting more natural light exposure more getting more natural light exposure if you're a loser about just being in if you're a loser about just being in if you're a loser about just being in front of the computer screen all day I front of the computer screen all day I front of the computer screen all day I there's there's actually some some there's there's actually some some there's there's actually some some decent there's a lot of manufacturers decent there's a lot of manufacturers decent there's a lot of manufacturers that make these now the blue light that make these now the blue light that make these now the blue light blocking glasses that you can wear blocking glasses that you can wear blocking glasses that you can wear during the during the during the like Felix gray is is a is a brand that like Felix gray is is a is a brand that like Felix gray is is a is a brand that I I that I use sometimes when I feel I I that I use sometimes when I feel I I that I use sometimes when I feel like I'm just in from the computer for like I'm just in from the computer for like I'm just in from the computer for for two long stretches during the day for two long stretches during the day for two long stretches during the day that can be a nice a nice kind of that can be a nice a nice kind of that can be a nice a nice kind of supplement as the after the Sun sets supplement as the after the Sun sets supplement as the after the Sun sets and it begins to you know begins to be and it begins to you know begins to be and it begins to you know begins to be more dark and the other easy step would more dark and the other easy step would more dark and the other easy step would be to get some some stronger blue light be to get some some stronger blue light be to get some some stronger blue light blocking glasses you know the ones that blocking glasses you know the ones that blocking glasses you know the ones that they're like they look orange or red the they're like they look orange or red the they're like they look orange or red the shades kind of look orange red those shades kind of look orange red those shades kind of look orange red those actually block out most of the blue actually block out most of the blue actually block out most of the blue light so those are really inexpensive light so those are really inexpensive light so those are really inexpensive you can pick those up anywhere from 50 you can pick those up anywhere from 50 you can pick those up anywhere from 50 to 100 bucks to 100 bucks to 100 bucks that's instead of getting bright white
14:00that's instead of getting bright white that's instead of getting bright white LEDs maybe get those that a little bit LEDs maybe get those that a little bit LEDs maybe get those that a little bit more warmer that are letter that more warmer that are letter that more warmer that are letter that resemble almost more like a fire right I resemble almost more like a fire right I resemble almost more like a fire right I have a more orange or red I'm kind of have a more orange or red I'm kind of have a more orange or red I'm kind of color that would be another you know color that would be another you know color that would be another you know fairly easy step at the time we're kind fairly easy step at the time we're kind fairly easy step at the time we're kind of getting into a little bit more of getting into a little bit more of getting into a little bit more extreme and then you know another extreme and then you know another extreme and then you know another another option would be to is probably another option would be to is probably another option would be to is probably recorded this is to pick up the red recorded this is to pick up the red recorded this is to pick up the red light therapy device to help supplement light therapy device to help supplement light therapy device to help supplement you know your your lifestyle yeah again you know your your lifestyle yeah again you know your your lifestyle yeah again it should serve as a supplement to kind it should serve as a supplement to kind it should serve as a supplement to kind of these core foundational things say of these core foundational things say of these core foundational things say well hopefully this is working if you well hopefully this is working if you well hopefully this is working if you want to put can you hear me yeah yeah want to put can you hear me yeah yeah want to put can you hear me yeah yeah okay okay we're good stuff if you wanna okay okay we're good stuff if you wanna okay okay we're good stuff if you wanna just put like they sell these cheap just put like they sell these cheap just put like they sell these cheap lights on Amazon like they're just red lights on Amazon like they're just red lights on Amazon like they're just red it's like four dollars it's a red light it's like four dollars it's a red light it's like four dollars it's a red light bulb is that good is that good like for bulb is that good is that good like for bulb is that good is that good like for reading at night you guys hear me yeah reading at night you guys hear me yeah reading at night you guys hear me yeah yeah in terms of just like stimulating yeah in terms of just like stimulating yeah in terms of just like stimulating your eyes yeah yeah yeah I can hear you your eyes yeah yeah yeah I can hear you your eyes yeah yeah yeah I can hear you are we good yeah I think we're good yeah
15:00are we good yeah I think we're good yeah are we good yeah I think we're good yeah let's blue light yep let's blue light yep let's blue light yep yeah yeah you can pick up these kind of yeah yeah you can pick up these kind of yeah yeah you can pick up these kind of these these warmer we're talking about these these warmer we're talking about these these warmer we're talking about like that yeah yeah those light bulbs like that yeah yeah those light bulbs like that yeah yeah those light bulbs that are a little bit more warmer um in that are a little bit more warmer um in that are a little bit more warmer um in terms of on the on a Kelvin scale it's terms of on the on a Kelvin scale it's terms of on the on a Kelvin scale it's really fur to be a nice article that really fur to be a nice article that really fur to be a nice article that goes over this on our site but um yeah goes over this on our site but um yeah goes over this on our site but um yeah you can pick those up pretty you can pick those up pretty you can pick those up pretty inexpensively whether it's on Amazon or inexpensively whether it's on Amazon or inexpensively whether it's on Amazon or whether it's like that at a local Target whether it's like that at a local Target whether it's like that at a local Target you know most most kind of big-box you know most most kind of big-box you know most most kind of big-box stores would have would have light bulbs stores would have would have light bulbs stores would have would have light bulbs that are a little bit more warmer I mean that are a little bit more warmer I mean that are a little bit more warmer I mean some people even pick up like the Philip some people even pick up like the Philip some people even pick up like the Philip do system as an example that's that do system as an example that's that do system as an example that's that stuff stuff stuff more expensive and more expensive option more expensive and more expensive option more expensive and more expensive option but you can really dial in kind of those but you can really dial in kind of those but you can really dial in kind of those warmer wavelengths with a system like warmer wavelengths with a system like warmer wavelengths with a system like that as well or you can just do that as well or you can just do that as well or you can just do something basic like pick up you know a something basic like pick up you know a something basic like pick up you know a cheaper you know orangish reddish lamp cheaper you know orangish reddish lamp cheaper you know orangish reddish lamp just off off of it as well okay one sec just off off of it as well okay one sec just off off of it as well okay one sec I think we're getting some issues with I think we're getting some issues with I think we're getting some issues with YouTube here yeah I can hear ya okay I
16:00YouTube here yeah I can hear ya okay I YouTube here yeah I can hear ya okay I think we are now back sorry about that think we are now back sorry about that think we are now back sorry about that guys one sec let us know in chat if this guys one sec let us know in chat if this guys one sec let us know in chat if this is working sorry guys [Music] [Music] let me know if the streams working in let me know if the streams working in let me know if the streams working in chat if you guys kind of let's just see chat if you guys kind of let's just see chat if you guys kind of let's just see here okay it looks like we're running okay okay it looks like we're running okay we're good we're good we're good I'm pretty sure we're good okay it's I'm pretty sure we're good okay it's I'm pretty sure we're good okay it's working I'm sure everyone got like was working I'm sure everyone got like was working I'm sure everyone got like was able to hear what you said but it makes able to hear what you said but it makes able to hear what you said but it makes sense that you were saying to just have sense that you were saying to just have sense that you were saying to just have some sort of lights like that in place some sort of lights like that in place some sort of lights like that in place for like reading super late at night for like reading super late at night for like reading super late at night right mm-hm that's the takeaway yeah right mm-hm that's the takeaway yeah right mm-hm that's the takeaway yeah yeah yeah you gotta either either change yeah yeah you gotta either either change yeah yeah you gotta either either change the the illumination source right to the the illumination source right to the the illumination source right to something that's more warm or you know
17:00something that's more warm or you know something that's more warm or you know another a much easier option is just by another a much easier option is just by another a much easier option is just by those blue light blocking glasses that I those blue light blocking glasses that I those blue light blocking glasses that I mentioned as well right those are the mentioned as well right those are the mentioned as well right those are the you've probably seen some people where you've probably seen some people where you've probably seen some people where I'm like Ben Greenfield Dave Asprey etc I'm like Ben Greenfield Dave Asprey etc I'm like Ben Greenfield Dave Asprey etc yeah they'll have those glasses on that yeah they'll have those glasses on that yeah they'll have those glasses on that have like the orangish red of shades have like the orangish red of shades have like the orangish red of shades those do a great job at blocking out a those do a great job at blocking out a those do a great job at blocking out a lot of that white that bright white and lot of that white that bright white and lot of that white that bright white and bright blue light that illuminates from bright blue light that illuminates from bright blue light that illuminates from you know from a screen because I mean you know from a screen because I mean you know from a screen because I mean let's let's be real most of us if we let's let's be real most of us if we let's let's be real most of us if we have time you're gonna like watch watch have time you're gonna like watch watch have time you're gonna like watch watch a movie you watch the show that's a movie you watch the show that's a movie you watch the show that's typically at night and sometimes the the typically at night and sometimes the the typically at night and sometimes the the easier thing to do because they're like easier thing to do because they're like easier thing to do because they're like are we getting a lot of these lights or are we getting a lot of these lights or are we getting a lot of these lights or is just the fact that it's gloomy and is just the fact that it's gloomy and is just the fact that it's gloomy and the clouds covering the Sun like we're the clouds covering the Sun like we're the clouds covering the Sun like we're not getting much uh there's very much not getting much uh there's very much not getting much uh there's very much true to the cloud you know clouds are true to the cloud you know clouds are true to the cloud you know clouds are gonna block some of those wavelengths in gonna block some of those wavelengths in gonna block some of those wavelengths in fact there's a little app that I use fact there's a little app that I use fact there's a little app that I use called the d-dimer app which allows you called the d-dimer app which allows you called the d-dimer app which allows you to see what the UV index is on a certain to see what the UV index is on a certain to see what the UV index is on a certain day um so I got some example we're day um so I got some example we're day um so I got some example we're recording this in later April the Sun is recording this in later April the Sun is recording this in later April the Sun is beginning the UV index here in Southern beginning the UV index here in Southern beginning the UV index here in Southern California's beating a lot more a lot
18:00California's beating a lot more a lot California's beating a lot more a lot more strong so it's you know kind of on more strong so it's you know kind of on more strong so it's you know kind of on a good day is gonna be seven eight maybe a good day is gonna be seven eight maybe a good day is gonna be seven eight maybe nine as an example um nine as an example um nine as an example um but yeah that speaks to where the Sun at but yeah that speaks to where the Sun at but yeah that speaks to where the Sun at is in relation to you you know your your is in relation to you you know your your is in relation to you you know your your longitude and latitude and then also you longitude and latitude and then also you longitude and latitude and then also you know whether or not it's a it's a cloudy know whether or not it's a it's a cloudy know whether or not it's a it's a cloudy day okay another one is I use the like day okay another one is I use the like day okay another one is I use the like f.lux it blocks the blue light from my f.lux it blocks the blue light from my f.lux it blocks the blue light from my computer I use that all day long on my computer I use that all day long on my computer I use that all day long on my computer screen I have one for my phone computer screen I have one for my phone computer screen I have one for my phone and then there's days like Matt will and then there's days like Matt will and then there's days like Matt will just wear the blue blocker glasses all just wear the blue blocker glasses all just wear the blue blocker glasses all day long are there downsides to not day long are there downsides to not day long are there downsides to not having any blue light throughout the day having any blue light throughout the day having any blue light throughout the day yeah I mean I would I would suggest that yeah I mean I would I would suggest that yeah I mean I would I would suggest that it's my opinion that yes there is some it's my opinion that yes there is some it's my opinion that yes there is some downsides to not downsides to not downsides to not receive any blue light during the day I receive any blue light during the day I receive any blue light during the day I mean it's very natural thing I mean you mean it's very natural thing I mean you mean it's very natural thing I mean you guys see my video right now it's you guys see my video right now it's you guys see my video right now it's you know 10:30 here in in California Pacific know 10:30 here in in California Pacific know 10:30 here in in California Pacific Coast time it's it's bright outside it's Coast time it's it's bright outside it's Coast time it's it's bright outside it's bright white bright white bright white right I mean I see blues I see whites right I mean I see blues I see whites right I mean I see blues I see whites it's bright out that actually serves as
19:00it's bright out that actually serves as it's bright out that actually serves as a really healthy signal to my brain that a really healthy signal to my brain that a really healthy signal to my brain that I should be awake I should be I should be awake I should be I should be awake I should be functioning I should be alerts and so if functioning I should be alerts and so if functioning I should be alerts and so if you're blocking out blue light all day you're blocking out blue light all day you're blocking out blue light all day that's probably not the greatest thing that's probably not the greatest thing that's probably not the greatest thing so so it kind of goes it cut that goes so so it kind of goes it cut that goes so so it kind of goes it cut that goes back to that you have to take a lot of back to that you have to take a lot of back to that you have to take a lot of this in context and so blue light can be this in context and so blue light can be this in context and so blue light can be good as a way to reset your circadian good as a way to reset your circadian good as a way to reset your circadian rhythm is in to act as a healthy signal rhythm is in to act as a healthy signal rhythm is in to act as a healthy signal for when your body is supposed to be for when your body is supposed to be for when your body is supposed to be alert but once the Sun sets alert but once the Sun sets alert but once the Sun sets you know presuming that most of us go to you know presuming that most of us go to you know presuming that most of us go to bed at you know ten o'clock ish you know bed at you know ten o'clock ish you know bed at you know ten o'clock ish you know and the Sun begins to set at around you and the Sun begins to set at around you and the Sun begins to set at around you know seven to eight o'clock know seven to eight o'clock know seven to eight o'clock you should really begin to be cognizant you should really begin to be cognizant you should really begin to be cognizant of like that bright white or bright blue of like that bright white or bright blue of like that bright white or bright blue light exposure because you don't want light exposure because you don't want light exposure because you don't want that signal anymore in fact you want the that signal anymore in fact you want the that signal anymore in fact you want the signal that you want you to tell your signal that you want you to tell your signal that you want you to tell your body is that you know you should begin body is that you know you should begin body is that you know you should begin to you know be you be resting and enter to you know be you be resting and enter to you know be you be resting and enter into more of a a preparation state for into more of a a preparation state for into more of a a preparation state for sleep so what's a good protocol for sleep so what's a good protocol for sleep so what's a good protocol for using the red light therapy especially using the red light therapy especially using the red light therapy especially if you're trying to get better sleep if you're trying to get better sleep if you're trying to get better sleep what time of day yeah it's not it's not
20:00what time of day yeah it's not it's not what time of day yeah it's not it's not um there's not really any scientific um there's not really any scientific um there's not really any scientific evidence to suggest there's a certain evidence to suggest there's a certain evidence to suggest there's a certain time of day that you should you should time of day that you should you should time of day that you should you should use it to enhance sleep I would argue use it to enhance sleep I would argue use it to enhance sleep I would argue that morning or evening especially that morning or evening especially that morning or evening especially probably evening is the ideal just probably evening is the ideal just probably evening is the ideal just because that mimics the natural sunrise because that mimics the natural sunrise because that mimics the natural sunrise and sunset and because remember that I and sunset and because remember that I and sunset and because remember that I mentioned most of the red and mentioned most of the red and mentioned most of the red and near-infrared wavelengths from the near-infrared wavelengths from the near-infrared wavelengths from the National Sun are found in the sunrise National Sun are found in the sunrise National Sun are found in the sunrise and sunset and that's why you see that and sunset and that's why you see that and sunset and that's why you see that kind of orange II reddish glow from the kind of orange II reddish glow from the kind of orange II reddish glow from the Sun during during the the sunset and so Sun during during the the sunset and so Sun during during the the sunset and so that's I mean if you want to really try that's I mean if you want to really try that's I mean if you want to really try to optimize things I would probably I to optimize things I would probably I to optimize things I would probably I would probably use red light therapy on would probably use red light therapy on would probably use red light therapy on either of those two two times and you either of those two two times and you either of those two two times and you know if you're if you're not being know if you're if you're not being know if you're if you're not being disrupted if your circadian rhythm is disrupted if your circadian rhythm is disrupted if your circadian rhythm is not disrupted you can use it in the not disrupted you can use it in the not disrupted you can use it in the morning and you won't feel groggy in morning and you won't feel groggy in morning and you won't feel groggy in fact a lot of our customers feel that at fact a lot of our customers feel that at fact a lot of our customers feel that at almost um it gives them a sense of light almost um it gives them a sense of light almost um it gives them a sense of light it almost helps them to reset for the it almost helps them to reset for the it almost helps them to reset for the day but day but day but and that that's because of the reason it
21:00and that that's because of the reason it and that that's because of the reason it won't make you feel groggy is because um won't make you feel groggy is because um won't make you feel groggy is because um red light has been shown to actually red light has been shown to actually red light has been shown to actually help your body produce more melatonin help your body produce more melatonin help your body produce more melatonin right but your body is smart our bodies right but your body is smart our bodies right but your body is smart our bodies are smart and that your body won't are smart and that your body won't are smart and that your body won't release that melatonin put in until it's release that melatonin put in until it's release that melatonin put in until it's time to sleep and so as long as you're time to sleep and so as long as you're time to sleep and so as long as you're not being disruptive to your circadian not being disruptive to your circadian not being disruptive to your circadian rhythm your body your body will release rhythm your body your body will release rhythm your body your body will release that melatonin at the right at the right that melatonin at the right at the right that melatonin at the right at the right time and so I would I would argue just time and so I would I would argue just time and so I would I would argue just to kind of come full circle on your to kind of come full circle on your to kind of come full circle on your question morning or evening but in question morning or evening but in question morning or evening but in reality in any time of day is is good I reality in any time of day is is good I reality in any time of day is is good I mean these wavelengths are very mean these wavelengths are very mean these wavelengths are very beneficial so really whenever you can beneficial so really whenever you can beneficial so really whenever you can kind of fit it into your normal daily kind of fit it into your normal daily kind of fit it into your normal daily routine is is ideal and it's like a it's routine is is ideal and it's like a it's routine is is ideal and it's like a it's similar to a tanning bed in that like similar to a tanning bed in that like similar to a tanning bed in that like the area that's being hit by the light the area that's being hit by the light the area that's being hit by the light that's the only area that's effective that's the only area that's effective that's the only area that's effective and it should be like pretty close and it should be like pretty close and it should be like pretty close proximity right yeah you got it you got proximity right yeah you got it you got proximity right yeah you got it you got it and I'm glad you brought up the it and I'm glad you brought up the it and I'm glad you brought up the tanning bed example because most people tanning bed example because most people tanning bed example because most people are like they understand that how oh and are like they understand that how oh and are like they understand that how oh and I'm dead right your your your skin I'm dead right your your your skin I'm dead right your your your skin hopefully begins to bronze a little bit
22:00hopefully begins to bronze a little bit hopefully begins to bronze a little bit and depending on what the source is and depending on what the source is and depending on what the source is sometimes your body will produce more sometimes your body will produce more sometimes your body will produce more more vitamin D right depending on what more vitamin D right depending on what more vitamin D right depending on what type of UV wavelengths are being type of UV wavelengths are being type of UV wavelengths are being delivered from the tanning bed well that delivered from the tanning bed well that delivered from the tanning bed well that that's our body responding to a certain that's our body responding to a certain that's our body responding to a certain wavelength of light right the same wavelength of light right the same wavelength of light right the same concept holds true when it comes to red concept holds true when it comes to red concept holds true when it comes to red and near-infrared light therapy our and near-infrared light therapy our and near-infrared light therapy our biological systems are responding to biological systems are responding to biological systems are responding to these wavelengths of light but yeah these wavelengths of light but yeah these wavelengths of light but yeah you're right you're right you're right it's it's your the area of your body so it's it's your the area of your body so it's it's your the area of your body so your skin needs to be exposed these your skin needs to be exposed these your skin needs to be exposed these wavelengths won't penetrate through wavelengths won't penetrate through wavelengths won't penetrate through clothes so your skin needs to be exposed clothes so your skin needs to be exposed clothes so your skin needs to be exposed and it's in direct correlation to like and it's in direct correlation to like and it's in direct correlation to like you know what area of your body is you know what area of your body is you know what area of your body is exposed to that that light so if you're exposed to that that light so if you're exposed to that that light so if you're using a full body system that's great using a full body system that's great using a full body system that's great because you're getting full-body because you're getting full-body because you're getting full-body exposure but if you're using maybe a exposure but if you're using maybe a exposure but if you're using maybe a small little handheld device you're small little handheld device you're small little handheld device you're gonna be kind of limited to that that gonna be kind of limited to that that gonna be kind of limited to that that treatment area and yes distance from the treatment area and yes distance from the treatment area and yes distance from the device is very important we have we have device is very important we have we have device is very important we have we have a lot of independent diagnostic testing a lot of independent diagnostic testing a lot of independent diagnostic testing that's done on our devices but it's it that's done on our devices but it's it that's done on our devices but it's it the further you are from the device the the further you are from the device the the further you are from the device the dosage of energy delivered to your
23:00dosage of energy delivered to your dosage of energy delivered to your tissues drops off dramatically as you as tissues drops off dramatically as you as tissues drops off dramatically as you as you as that distance increases and it's you as that distance increases and it's you as that distance increases and it's not one-to-one so what I mean by that is not one-to-one so what I mean by that is not one-to-one so what I mean by that is typically you need to be within you know typically you need to be within you know typically you need to be within you know three three three six inches from the device ish something six inches from the device ish something six inches from the device ish something in that neighborhood if it's if it's a in that neighborhood if it's if it's a in that neighborhood if it's if it's a high quality device but once you start high quality device but once you start high quality device but once you start to move 12 18 24 inches away from that to move 12 18 24 inches away from that to move 12 18 24 inches away from that device the the dosage drops off just device the the dosage drops off just device the the dosage drops off just dramatically and so what that means is dramatically and so what that means is dramatically and so what that means is you in order to get the same dosage you you in order to get the same dosage you you in order to get the same dosage you just have to use it for a really long just have to use it for a really long just have to use it for a really long period of time and most of us just don't period of time and most of us just don't period of time and most of us just don't have time to do that you know and so have time to do that you know and so have time to do that you know and so that's one of the reasons we device is that's one of the reasons we device is that's one of the reasons we device is the way we did is like we wanted to kind the way we did is like we wanted to kind the way we did is like we wanted to kind of optimize for a healthy dose of light of optimize for a healthy dose of light of optimize for a healthy dose of light in a relatively time and that's why you in a relatively time and that's why you in a relatively time and that's why you know we typically mend about three to know we typically mend about three to know we typically mend about three to six inches from our device for about six inches from our device for about six inches from our device for about eight to ten minutes is a pretty good eight to ten minutes is a pretty good eight to ten minutes is a pretty good treatment time and then there's two treatment time and then there's two treatment time and then there's two buttons so there's the red light and buttons so there's the red light and buttons so there's the red light and then they use the infrared so can we then they use the infrared so can we then they use the infrared so can we talk about the differences and like when talk about the differences and like when talk about the differences and like when do use both when to use just one see if
24:00do use both when to use just one see if do use both when to use just one see if it's me I'm thinking I'm just gonna it's me I'm thinking I'm just gonna it's me I'm thinking I'm just gonna always use both I can have two right always use both I can have two right always use both I can have two right right and I I don't exactly spend ninety right and I I don't exactly spend ninety right and I I don't exactly spend ninety nine percent of our customers use both nine percent of our customers use both nine percent of our customers use both and the major differences between the and the major differences between the and the major differences between the two wavelengths of light red versus near two wavelengths of light red versus near two wavelengths of light red versus near and Fred and I'm gonna Dominic's touch and Fred and I'm gonna Dominic's touch and Fred and I'm gonna Dominic's touch on infrared wavelengths in general here on infrared wavelengths in general here on infrared wavelengths in general here in a second because I think that's in a second because I think that's in a second because I think that's important but when it comes to red important but when it comes to red important but when it comes to red versus near and Fred red light is versus near and Fred red light is versus near and Fred red light is visible right so it's the bright red visible right so it's the bright red visible right so it's the bright red light you know you flip the device on it light you know you flip the device on it light you know you flip the device on it at the beginning of this this show here at the beginning of this this show here at the beginning of this this show here near and fred is invisible so you can't near and fred is invisible so you can't near and fred is invisible so you can't see it and the difference between the see it and the difference between the see it and the difference between the two is red light most of that energy is two is red light most of that energy is two is red light most of that energy is absorbed in the superficial layers of absorbed in the superficial layers of absorbed in the superficial layers of your skin so the term is an epidermis of your skin so the term is an epidermis of your skin so the term is an epidermis of your skin and that's why you see moat at your skin and that's why you see moat at your skin and that's why you see moat at you know med spas estheticians etc you know med spas estheticians etc you know med spas estheticians etc dermatologists they'll use red light for dermatologists they'll use red light for dermatologists they'll use red light for skin related benefits because again most skin related benefits because again most skin related benefits because again most of that energy is absorbed in those of that energy is absorbed in those of that energy is absorbed in those those superficial layers of your tissue those superficial layers of your tissue those superficial layers of your tissue near-infrared light or NIR at some times
25:00near-infrared light or NIR at some times near-infrared light or NIR at some times you'll see it I'm kind of in in academic you'll see it I'm kind of in in academic you'll see it I'm kind of in in academic papers or you know educational articles papers or you know educational articles papers or you know educational articles near and fred light actually has the near and fred light actually has the near and fred light actually has the unique ability to penetrate deeper into unique ability to penetrate deeper into unique ability to penetrate deeper into our bodies and back to can penetrate our bodies and back to can penetrate our bodies and back to can penetrate through bone and so that's why you see through bone and so that's why you see through bone and so that's why you see it often studied for benefits that are it often studied for benefits that are it often studied for benefits that are related to deeper tissues like muscle related to deeper tissues like muscle related to deeper tissues like muscle recovery joint pain relief etc cognitive recovery joint pain relief etc cognitive recovery joint pain relief etc cognitive function is because of its ability to function is because of its ability to function is because of its ability to penetrate deeper so that's the primary penetrate deeper so that's the primary penetrate deeper so that's the primary difference difference difference between the two wavelengths is really between the two wavelengths is really between the two wavelengths is really just depth of penetration the underlying just depth of penetration the underlying just depth of penetration the underlying mechanism of action between the two at mechanism of action between the two at mechanism of action between the two at least right now is we understand it I least right now is we understand it I least right now is we understand it I say we I'm referring to our say we I'm referring to our say we I'm referring to our collaborations as a company with with collaborations as a company with with collaborations as a company with with with photo medicine or with photo medicine or with photo medicine or photobiomodulation researchers the photobiomodulation researchers the photobiomodulation researchers the mechanisms between the two wavelengths mechanisms between the two wavelengths mechanisms between the two wavelengths are pretty similar in terms of how our are pretty similar in terms of how our are pretty similar in terms of how our body responds it's really just depth of body responds it's really just depth of body responds it's really just depth of penetration is the difference and if you penetration is the difference and if you penetration is the difference and if you don't mind all I want to touch on the don't mind all I want to touch on the don't mind all I want to touch on the infrared wavelengths in a little bit in infrared wavelengths in a little bit in infrared wavelengths in a little bit in a little bit more detail as a follow-up a little bit more detail as a follow-up a little bit more detail as a follow-up probably most of most of the people that probably most of most of the people that probably most of most of the people that are going to be listening to this are are going to be listening to this are are going to be listening to this are familiar with infrared saunas right and
26:00familiar with infrared saunas right and familiar with infrared saunas right and infrared saunas actually a good infrared saunas actually a good infrared saunas actually a good high-quality in sauna any sauna rather high-quality in sauna any sauna rather high-quality in sauna any sauna rather it's a steam sauna whether it's an it's a steam sauna whether it's an it's a steam sauna whether it's an infrared sauna the goal is to produce infrared sauna the goal is to produce infrared sauna the goal is to produce heat right that's that's heat based heat right that's that's heat based heat right that's that's heat based therapy sauna based therapy the goal is therapy sauna based therapy the goal is therapy sauna based therapy the goal is to prove heat and then your body then to prove heat and then your body then to prove heat and then your body then responds that heat stress and that can responds that heat stress and that can responds that heat stress and that can be very beneficial but the underlying be very beneficial but the underlying be very beneficial but the underlying kind of thing with a sauna is that you kind of thing with a sauna is that you kind of thing with a sauna is that you want it to produce teets and with an want it to produce teets and with an want it to produce teets and with an infrared sauna a good infrared sauna infrared sauna a good infrared sauna infrared sauna a good infrared sauna will actually be delivering mostly mid will actually be delivering mostly mid will actually be delivering mostly mid and far infrared wavelengths and those and far infrared wavelengths and those and far infrared wavelengths and those are those are different from near are those are different from near are those are different from near infrared because near and fred does not infrared because near and fred does not infrared because near and fred does not prove he's and whereas mid and far prove he's and whereas mid and far prove he's and whereas mid and far infrared wavelengths they do produce a infrared wavelengths they do produce a infrared wavelengths they do produce a lot of heat so there's just there's lot of heat so there's just there's lot of heat so there's just there's there's a clear difference between the there's a clear difference between the there's a clear difference between the two and I just want to make sure people two and I just want to make sure people two and I just want to make sure people understand that that when we talk about understand that that when we talk about understand that that when we talk about red or near infrared light therapy red or near infrared light therapy red or near infrared light therapy that's very much that's different from that's very much that's different from that's very much that's different from an infrared sauna and and and the the an infrared sauna and and and the the an infrared sauna and and and the the underlying difference is is the heat is
27:00underlying difference is is the heat is underlying difference is is the heat is the heat aspect right mid and far the heat aspect right mid and far the heat aspect right mid and far infrared wavelengths that are found in infrared wavelengths that are found in infrared wavelengths that are found in red sauna those do a great job at red sauna those do a great job at red sauna those do a great job at producing heats whereas near and producing heats whereas near and producing heats whereas near and threadlock nearer and Fred therapy is threadlock nearer and Fred therapy is threadlock nearer and Fred therapy is does not produce heat the underlying does not produce heat the underlying does not produce heat the underlying mechanism of action is different so is mechanism of action is different so is mechanism of action is different so is the only place we get if we don't have the only place we get if we don't have the only place we get if we don't have these red lights for example infrared or these red lights for example infrared or these red lights for example infrared or near infrared and red light from the Sun near infrared and red light from the Sun near infrared and red light from the Sun right there's no like other or is there right there's no like other or is there right there's no like other or is there some of this in normal lighting in our some of this in normal lighting in our some of this in normal lighting in our house what depends probably on the house what depends probably on the house what depends probably on the lighting system most of the time no lighting system most of the time no lighting system most of the time no you're not gonna find infrared or red you're not gonna find infrared or red you're not gonna find infrared or red light being delivered for most most light being delivered for most most light being delivered for most most lighting so lighting so lighting so most interior lighting sources um maybe most interior lighting sources um maybe most interior lighting sources um maybe you know maybe if you had like an you know maybe if you had like an you know maybe if you had like an infrared heater right you probably seen infrared heater right you probably seen infrared heater right you probably seen those typically maybe like outside you those typically maybe like outside you those typically maybe like outside you know if you if you have a patio or know if you if you have a patio or know if you if you have a patio or something you'll see a glow right um a something you'll see a glow right um a something you'll see a glow right um a glow glow from that heater sometimes glow glow from that heater sometimes glow glow from that heater sometimes they'll produce some infrared in frit they'll produce some infrared in frit they'll produce some infrared in frit wavelengths but most of the time they're wavelengths but most of the time they're wavelengths but most of the time they're mid and far infrared because of the mid and far infrared because of the mid and far infrared because of the their ability to produce heat so yeah
28:00their ability to produce heat so yeah their ability to produce heat so yeah most of the time you're not gonna unless most of the time you're not gonna unless most of the time you're not gonna unless you're unless you're specifically you're unless you're specifically you're unless you're specifically looking for a source that delivers red looking for a source that delivers red looking for a source that delivers red or near infrared light it's gonna be you or near infrared light it's gonna be you or near infrared light it's gonna be you know you're not gonna you're not gonna know you're not gonna you're not gonna know you're not gonna you're not gonna find it in kind of a you know a low is find it in kind of a you know a low is find it in kind of a you know a low is there a home depot or something like there a home depot or something like there a home depot or something like that from people living I guess it's that from people living I guess it's that from people living I guess it's kind of inseparable from the diet I kind of inseparable from the diet I kind of inseparable from the diet I guess because we just started living guess because we just started living guess because we just started living like this recently but but from people like this recently but but from people like this recently but but from people that don't get any red or near infrared that don't get any red or near infrared that don't get any red or near infrared lights on a daily basis like some people lights on a daily basis like some people lights on a daily basis like some people probably go once a month without really probably go once a month without really probably go once a month without really getting too much sunlight so what getting too much sunlight so what getting too much sunlight so what happens there yeah i mean i don't i happens there yeah i mean i don't i happens there yeah i mean i don't i don't think i mean we're talking about don't think i mean we're talking about don't think i mean we're talking about probably very very long-term clinical probably very very long-term clinical probably very very long-term clinical research that would be needed to really research that would be needed to really research that would be needed to really like prove that out and in terms of like like prove that out and in terms of like like prove that out and in terms of like what actual disease state represents or what actual disease state represents or what actual disease state represents or like sort of is represented by light like sort of is represented by light like sort of is represented by light deficiency so that would be I think deficiency so that would be I think deficiency so that would be I think probably pretty extensive to sort of probably pretty extensive to sort of probably pretty extensive to sort of prove out in clinical research but it's
29:00prove out in clinical research but it's prove out in clinical research but it's it's we like to think about it in within it's we like to think about it in within it's we like to think about it in within the context of more really just trying the context of more really just trying the context of more really just trying to optimize for for health and so on and to optimize for for health and so on and to optimize for for health and so on and again I'm kind of coming full circle and again I'm kind of coming full circle and again I'm kind of coming full circle and I hate to repeat myself but if you if I hate to repeat myself but if you if I hate to repeat myself but if you if you if you kind of if you if you believe you if you kind of if you if you believe you if you kind of if you if you believe in that foundational kind of hypothesis in that foundational kind of hypothesis in that foundational kind of hypothesis that we're not we don't get it nearly as that we're not we don't get it nearly as that we're not we don't get it nearly as much natural light as we as we used to much natural light as we as we used to much natural light as we as we used to and then you you layer in all of the and then you you layer in all of the and then you you layer in all of the published peer-reviewed literature that published peer-reviewed literature that published peer-reviewed literature that showcases the benefits of red and showcases the benefits of red and showcases the benefits of red and near-infrared light therapy you do have near-infrared light therapy you do have near-infrared light therapy you do have to kind of ask yourself okay so what to kind of ask yourself okay so what to kind of ask yourself okay so what does that really mean if I don't get any does that really mean if I don't get any does that really mean if I don't get any any light and I would I would argue that any light and I would I would argue that any light and I would I would argue that at least the conclusion that I would at least the conclusion that I would at least the conclusion that I would draw is that yeah it probably does lead draw is that yeah it probably does lead draw is that yeah it probably does lead to some there are probably some disease to some there are probably some disease to some there are probably some disease states that do manifest themselves but states that do manifest themselves but states that do manifest themselves but it's probably in in context with other it's probably in in context with other it's probably in in context with other things things things well right poor diet lack of exercise well right poor diet lack of exercise well right poor diet lack of exercise etc so I think but again I think light etc so I think but again I think light etc so I think but again I think light is is probably one of those
30:00is is probably one of those is is probably one of those underappreciated aspects to overall underappreciated aspects to overall underappreciated aspects to overall health that most people just aren't health that most people just aren't health that most people just aren't aren't aware of yeah aren't aware of yeah aren't aware of yeah and then when it comes to using the red and then when it comes to using the red and then when it comes to using the red light device and maybe there's protocols light device and maybe there's protocols light device and maybe there's protocols you can find online you can find online you can find online are there different protocols for like are there different protocols for like are there different protocols for like maybe weight loss versus like recovery maybe weight loss versus like recovery maybe weight loss versus like recovery or is it always just like you know if or is it always just like you know if or is it always just like you know if you do it every single day eight to ten you do it every single day eight to ten you do it every single day eight to ten minutes a day for like four weeks then minutes a day for like four weeks then minutes a day for like four weeks then you'll have the most success yeah it's a you'll have the most success yeah it's a you'll have the most success yeah it's a really good question so the way I would really good question so the way I would really good question so the way I would answer that is if you're if you're using answer that is if you're if you're using answer that is if you're if you're using red light therapy really for more red light therapy really for more red light therapy really for more general health and wellness two purposes general health and wellness two purposes general health and wellness two purposes I think it's important just to look for I think it's important just to look for I think it's important just to look for a high quality device that's probably a high quality device that's probably a high quality device that's probably the most important that delivers a the most important that delivers a the most important that delivers a salted output or dose of energy in a salted output or dose of energy in a salted output or dose of energy in a relatively short amount of time and if relatively short amount of time and if relatively short amount of time and if like and I mean I'll be device is but like and I mean I'll be device is but like and I mean I'll be device is but there's other you know decent decent there's other you know decent decent there's other you know decent decent devices that are available as well that devices that are available as well that devices that are available as well that that that deliver high quality output that that deliver high quality output that that deliver high quality output but that's probably most important and but that's probably most important and but that's probably most important and if you're if you're doing it on a if you're if you're doing it on a if you're if you're doing it on a consistent basis you're going to receive consistent basis you're going to receive consistent basis you're going to receive a a clinically dose of energy that will
31:00a a clinically dose of energy that will a a clinically dose of energy that will help to optimize for just overall health help to optimize for just overall health help to optimize for just overall health and wellness now having said that there and wellness now having said that there and wellness now having said that there there are a lot of other like disease there are a lot of other like disease there are a lot of other like disease states that where dose really does states that where dose really does states that where dose really does matter and what I mean let me give you matter and what I mean let me give you matter and what I mean let me give you an example there was a recent paper that an example there was a recent paper that an example there was a recent paper that was published on that photo was published on that photo was published on that photo photobiomodulation or photo med Medicine photobiomodulation or photo med Medicine photobiomodulation or photo med Medicine researchers coined the the buckets paper researchers coined the the buckets paper researchers coined the the buckets paper and what what what the researchers and what what what the researchers and what what what the researchers looked at is it was a small patient looked at is it was a small patient looked at is it was a small patient population but these patients on you all population but these patients on you all population but these patients on you all suffer from either dementia or suffer from either dementia or suffer from either dementia or Alzheimer's and they wore they created Alzheimer's and they wore they created Alzheimer's and they wore they created their own DIY um helmets that deliver in their own DIY um helmets that deliver in their own DIY um helmets that deliver in red and near-infrared light so they made red and near-infrared light so they made red and near-infrared light so they made themselves I don't even know where they themselves I don't even know where they themselves I don't even know where they source the the lights you know when source the the lights you know when source the the lights you know when there was some Amazon or wherever they there was some Amazon or wherever they there was some Amazon or wherever they made them themselves and they all they made them themselves and they all they made them themselves and they all they all kind of look the same but had all kind of look the same but had all kind of look the same but had different light sources and again a different light sources and again a different light sources and again a small patient population but what it was small patient population but what it was small patient population but what it was it was really interesting is that from it was really interesting is that from it was really interesting is that from use others no benefit at all and so use others no benefit at all and so use others no benefit at all and so there's there's DOS what I'm trying to there's there's DOS what I'm trying to there's there's DOS what I'm trying to say there's is the dose of energy for
32:00say there's is the dose of energy for say there's is the dose of energy for certain disease states does matter it it certain disease states does matter it it certain disease states does matter it it does matter does matter does matter but we're still learning about what what but we're still learning about what what but we're still learning about what what exactly does that look like exactly does that look like exactly does that look like right and that's probably one of them right and that's probably one of them right and that's probably one of them despite the overwhelming amount of despite the overwhelming amount of despite the overwhelming amount of published peer-reviewed literature for published peer-reviewed literature for published peer-reviewed literature for light therapy we're talking about light therapy we're talking about light therapy we're talking about thousands of articles now despite that thousands of articles now despite that thousands of articles now despite that the dosage in the all of these various the dosage in the all of these various the dosage in the all of these various studies are very different its disparate studies are very different its disparate studies are very different its disparate and so that's one of the things that and so that's one of the things that and so that's one of the things that like in conjunction with photo Medicine like in conjunction with photo Medicine like in conjunction with photo Medicine researchers we're trying to we're trying researchers we're trying to we're trying researchers we're trying to we're trying to we're trying to work better at is to we're trying to work better at is to we're trying to work better at is really helping to define dose kind of really helping to define dose kind of really helping to define dose kind of guardrails if you will for certain guardrails if you will for certain guardrails if you will for certain conditions so I just want to make sure I conditions so I just want to make sure I conditions so I just want to make sure I call that out because it does matter but call that out because it does matter but call that out because it does matter but for most of most of the people that are for most of most of the people that are for most of most of the people that are listening to this that are looking to listening to this that are looking to listening to this that are looking to really optimize for further health and really optimize for further health and really optimize for further health and wellness it doesn't have to be as wellness it doesn't have to be as wellness it doesn't have to be as complicated as that it really comes down complicated as that it really comes down complicated as that it really comes down to choosing a high quality device using to choosing a high quality device using to choosing a high quality device using it consistently ideally you know four or
33:00it consistently ideally you know four or it consistently ideally you know four or five plus two times per wound and and five plus two times per wound and and five plus two times per wound and and you'll likely receive you know a lot of you'll likely receive you know a lot of you'll likely receive you know a lot of a lot of benefits from doing that okay a lot of benefits from doing that okay a lot of benefits from doing that okay so what is your protocol I'm curious do so what is your protocol I'm curious do so what is your protocol I'm curious do you do it daily and like how long yeah you do it daily and like how long yeah you do it daily and like how long yeah so it kind depends on the season so it kind depends on the season so it kind depends on the season unfortunately I you know I live here in unfortunately I you know I live here in unfortunately I you know I live here in Southern California where we get a lot Southern California where we get a lot Southern California where we get a lot of natural sunlight so as we enter the of natural sunlight so as we enter the of natural sunlight so as we enter the summer season I'll use red light therapy summer season I'll use red light therapy summer season I'll use red light therapy less because I I try to be intentional less because I I try to be intentional less because I I try to be intentional about just getting more natural sunlight about just getting more natural sunlight about just getting more natural sunlight during the day but but you know let's during the day but but you know let's during the day but but you know let's vacuum in if I lived in Minneapolis vacuum in if I lived in Minneapolis vacuum in if I lived in Minneapolis again as an example I would I would try again as an example I would I would try again as an example I would I would try to use it probably on a daily basis at to use it probably on a daily basis at to use it probably on a daily basis at least at least four or five times a week least at least four or five times a week least at least four or five times a week right now we're kind of entering you right now we're kind of entering you right now we're kind of entering you know the you know the late spring early know the you know the late spring early know the you know the late spring early summer time but like in the winter summer time but like in the winter summer time but like in the winter that's I was probably using our device I that's I was probably using our device I that's I was probably using our device I have I have to jewbilee device which is have I have to jewbilee device which is have I have to jewbilee device which is it's um it's our largest system it's it's um it's our largest system it's it's um it's our largest system it's kind of a about six feet tall and about kind of a about six feet tall and about kind of a about six feet tall and about three feet wide or so and so I would
34:00three feet wide or so and so I would three feet wide or so and so I would stand on a bulletproof vibe plate for stand on a bulletproof vibe plate for stand on a bulletproof vibe plate for about ten minutes in front of that the about ten minutes in front of that the about ten minutes in front of that the vibration have you ever used the vibration have you ever used the vibration have you ever used the vibration technology at all are you vibration technology at all are you vibration technology at all are you familiar I mean I've seen the melt where familiar I mean I've seen the melt where familiar I mean I've seen the melt where they put it around your they put it around your they put it around your belly and it makes you lose weight it's belly and it makes you lose weight it's belly and it makes you lose weight it's cut its kind of similar a little bit but cut its kind of similar a little bit but cut its kind of similar a little bit but it's it's you typically stand on these it's it's you typically stand on these it's it's you typically stand on these things and they they vibrate in a shake things and they they vibrate in a shake things and they they vibrate in a shake I like to call them the shame the shame I like to call them the shame the shame I like to call them the shame the shame plates because if you've ever been to plates because if you've ever been to plates because if you've ever been to like a you know like a cryotherapy like a you know like a cryotherapy like a you know like a cryotherapy clinic as an example a lot of those have clinic as an example a lot of those have clinic as an example a lot of those have had vibration plates and some people are had vibration plates and some people are had vibration plates and some people are are confident enough and they're in are confident enough and they're in are confident enough and they're in their bodies that they'll take their their bodies that they'll take their their bodies that they'll take their shirt off while they're on the vibration shirt off while they're on the vibration shirt off while they're on the vibration plate you can be as lean as possible but plate you can be as lean as possible but plate you can be as lean as possible but if that thing's shaking you so anyway if that thing's shaking you so anyway if that thing's shaking you so anyway joking aside yeah it's a it's a it's a joking aside yeah it's a it's a it's a joking aside yeah it's a it's a it's a plate that kind of vibrates and there's plate that kind of vibrates and there's plate that kind of vibrates and there's there's some you know semi compelling there's some you know semi compelling there's some you know semi compelling evidence that suggests it helps kind of evidence that suggests it helps kind of evidence that suggests it helps kind of there's there's some benefits from doing there's there's some benefits from doing there's there's some benefits from doing it but III mentioned that because it's a
35:00it but III mentioned that because it's a it but III mentioned that because it's a great way to kind of staff different great way to kind of staff different great way to kind of staff different therapies and so what my routine looks therapies and so what my routine looks therapies and so what my routine looks like is in you know especially during like is in you know especially during like is in you know especially during the wintertime I'll use it probably four the wintertime I'll use it probably four the wintertime I'll use it probably four to five times a week I'll stand in front to five times a week I'll stand in front to five times a week I'll stand in front of the device at about three inches away of the device at about three inches away of the device at about three inches away on that vibration plate for about ten on that vibration plate for about ten on that vibration plate for about ten minutes and it also do breath work at minutes and it also do breath work at minutes and it also do breath work at the same time and so throughout that the same time and so throughout that the same time and so throughout that eight to ten minutes I'll just be doing eight to ten minutes I'll just be doing eight to ten minutes I'll just be doing you know breath work and there's some of you know breath work and there's some of you know breath work and there's some of yours the nice thing is is I've got like yours the nice thing is is I've got like yours the nice thing is is I've got like I've got this 10-minute window and so I've got this 10-minute window and so I've got this 10-minute window and so like why not kind of stack quite a few like why not kind of stack quite a few like why not kind of stack quite a few different things that are all problems different things that are all problems different things that are all problems yeah you know synergy you know all have yeah you know synergy you know all have yeah you know synergy you know all have some synergy in terms of in terms of the some synergy in terms of in terms of the some synergy in terms of in terms of the benefits and so yeah again I mean I benefits and so yeah again I mean I benefits and so yeah again I mean I there's a there's a lot of people that there's a there's a lot of people that there's a there's a lot of people that do that like Ben Greenfield as an do that like Ben Greenfield as an do that like Ben Greenfield as an example you'll often you'll be he example you'll often you'll be he example you'll often you'll be he actually uses two of those elite devices actually uses two of those elite devices actually uses two of those elite devices at his standing desk right so he'll flip at his standing desk right so he'll flip at his standing desk right so he'll flip them on for you know ten to ten to them on for you know ten to ten to them on for you know ten to ten to twelve minutes or so and just you know twelve minutes or so and just you know twelve minutes or so and just you know work away and get the benefits of ready work away and get the benefits of ready work away and get the benefits of ready mirror for the light at the same time so mirror for the light at the same time so mirror for the light at the same time so it's you know there's there's definitely it's you know there's there's definitely it's you know there's there's definitely ways to kind of maximize your your time
36:00ways to kind of maximize your your time ways to kind of maximize your your time and when using this type of therapy for and when using this type of therapy for and when using this type of therapy for sure what's your morning routine like my sure what's your morning routine like my sure what's your morning routine like my morning routine I what I what I morning routine I what I what I morning routine I what I what I typically like to do is not try to stay typically like to do is not try to stay typically like to do is not try to stay away from my phone and instead you know away from my phone and instead you know away from my phone and instead you know read practice gratitude and that that's read practice gratitude and that that's read practice gratitude and that that's you know I find when I'm consistent you know I find when I'm consistent you know I find when I'm consistent about doing doing that and that my days about doing doing that and that my days about doing doing that and that my days are much better so that's typically you are much better so that's typically you are much better so that's typically you know it's relatively straightforward and know it's relatively straightforward and know it's relatively straightforward and then you know I then you know I then you know I I actually I'm trying to be a lot more I actually I'm trying to be a lot more I actually I'm trying to be a lot more consistent about intermittent fasting as consistent about intermittent fasting as consistent about intermittent fasting as well and I'm sure you guys probably well and I'm sure you guys probably well and I'm sure you guys probably touched on on the benefits of touched on on the benefits of touched on on the benefits of intermittent and an intermittent fasting intermittent and an intermittent fasting intermittent and an intermittent fasting but I all have some black coffee as an but I all have some black coffee as an but I all have some black coffee as an example you know at 7:30 8:00 in the example you know at 7:30 8:00 in the example you know at 7:30 8:00 in the morning and then really not eat my first morning and then really not eat my first morning and then really not eat my first meal until you know noon or 1:00 meal until you know noon or 1:00 meal until you know noon or 1:00 something like that and then try to try something like that and then try to try something like that and then try to try to not eat past 6:00 or 6:30 and so my to not eat past 6:00 or 6:30 and so my to not eat past 6:00 or 6:30 and so my eating window is is you know typically eating window is is you know typically eating window is is you know typically around you know noon to 6:00 or so around you know noon to 6:00 or so around you know noon to 6:00 or so something like that and so yeah that's
37:00something like that and so yeah that's something like that and so yeah that's kind of you know that's a little it's a kind of you know that's a little it's a kind of you know that's a little it's a high-level kind of you kind of what what high-level kind of you kind of what what high-level kind of you kind of what what I might try to try to practice on a I might try to try to practice on a I might try to try to practice on a consistent basis anyway okay I got a consistent basis anyway okay I got a consistent basis anyway okay I got a good one for you then what do you think good one for you then what do you think good one for you then what do you think about cryotherapy yeah I think it can be about cryotherapy yeah I think it can be about cryotherapy yeah I think it can be really really beneficial I think there's really really beneficial I think there's really really beneficial I think there's some some decent evidence that suggests some some decent evidence that suggests some some decent evidence that suggests that it's great for you know reducing that it's great for you know reducing that it's great for you know reducing pain and inflammation so I mean just pain and inflammation so I mean just pain and inflammation so I mean just like any any natural therapies there's like any any natural therapies there's like any any natural therapies there's gonna be there's gonna be some holes gonna be there's gonna be some holes gonna be there's gonna be some holes that you can punch with with is with the that you can punch with with is with the that you can punch with with is with the existing evidence the scientific existing evidence the scientific existing evidence the scientific evidence for like cryotherapy isn't evidence for like cryotherapy isn't evidence for like cryotherapy isn't nearly as strong as like red light nearly as strong as like red light nearly as strong as like red light therapy as example it's not even close therapy as example it's not even close therapy as example it's not even close but I do - I do think it's it's it's but I do - I do think it's it's it's but I do - I do think it's it's it's it's compelling enough where if you you it's compelling enough where if you you it's compelling enough where if you you felt like you suffered from you know felt like you suffered from you know felt like you suffered from you know some chronic pain or if you just want to some chronic pain or if you just want to some chronic pain or if you just want to you know if you're an athlete want to you know if you're an athlete want to you know if you're an athlete want to optimize you know for recovery as an optimize you know for recovery as an optimize you know for recovery as an example like I think it can be can be example like I think it can be can be example like I think it can be can be really beneficial yeah we went to a really beneficial yeah we went to a really beneficial yeah we went to a cryotherapy lab place here yeah we did cryotherapy lab place here yeah we did cryotherapy lab place here yeah we did card therapy and what is float tank a
38:00card therapy and what is float tank a card therapy and what is float tank a float tank I think before takes it like float tank I think before takes it like float tank I think before takes it like I could see it being decent it's just I could see it being decent it's just I could see it being decent it's just not for me not for me not for me for you either well Ronnie's the place for you either well Ronnie's the place for you either well Ronnie's the place she left on the filter you know like she left on the filter you know like she left on the filter you know like refreshing or whatever at all she was refreshing or whatever at all she was refreshing or whatever at all she was like I've never heard that she was like like I've never heard that she was like like I've never heard that she was like Maddie you know and um and in a kettle Maddie you know and um and in a kettle Maddie you know and um and in a kettle and fire he actually just wrote a really and fire he actually just wrote a really and fire he actually just wrote a really lengthy article on his Conan's personal lengthy article on his Conan's personal lengthy article on his Conan's personal I think it was actually his sub stack I think it was actually his sub stack I think it was actually his sub stack that where he went through like this that where he went through like this that where he went through like this laundry list of all these therapies that laundry list of all these therapies that laundry list of all these therapies that he tried to help enhance his sleep he tried to help enhance his sleep he tried to help enhance his sleep because it was something that he was you because it was something that he was you because it was something that he was you know he was kind of challenged with and know he was kind of challenged with and know he was kind of challenged with and wanted to wanted to wanted to try to get better at and float tank was try to get better at and float tank was try to get better at and float tank was one of the one of the few like maybe one of the one of the few like maybe one of the one of the few like maybe three or four different things that he three or four different things that he three or four different things that he that he found after a lot of testing that he found after a lot of testing that he found after a lot of testing that did lead to better better sleeping that did lead to better better sleeping that did lead to better better sleeping he was tracking it all through his or he was tracking it all through his or he was tracking it all through his or her ring yeah yeah I mean if you if you her ring yeah yeah I mean if you if you her ring yeah yeah I mean if you if you probably google Justin mares and sleep
39:00probably google Justin mares and sleep probably google Justin mares and sleep or something like that you may you may or something like that you may you may or something like that you may you may come across that maybe I could send you come across that maybe I could send you come across that maybe I could send you the article and you can you can link to the article and you can you can link to the article and you can you can link to it or something like that but it's a it or something like that but it's a it or something like that but it's a it's a great it's a great piece and you it's a great it's a great piece and you it's a great it's a great piece and you know he's pretty analytical so he know he's pretty analytical so he know he's pretty analytical so he experimented and trying to quantify experimented and trying to quantify experimented and trying to quantify everything and and float tank and it everything and and float tank and it everything and and float tank and it also another thing you know kind of also another thing you know kind of also another thing you know kind of talking on talking about natural light talking on talking about natural light talking on talking about natural light another thing was on the days that he another thing was on the days that he another thing was on the days that he intentionally got more natural light he intentionally got more natural light he intentionally got more natural light he noticed better Slater Saab saw better noticed better Slater Saab saw better noticed better Slater Saab saw better sleep as well so interesting that we're sleep as well so interesting that we're sleep as well so interesting that we're talking about light and then you brought talking about light and then you brought talking about light and then you brought up float egg so I don't know I I'm not up float egg so I don't know I I'm not up float egg so I don't know I I'm not I've only I've never used a float tank I've only I've never used a float tank I've only I've never used a float tank only you know loosely familiar with them only you know loosely familiar with them only you know loosely familiar with them just because we've got a lot of like just because we've got a lot of like just because we've got a lot of like boutique wellness places and cryotherapy boutique wellness places and cryotherapy boutique wellness places and cryotherapy clinics restore cryo is one of the clinics restore cryo is one of the clinics restore cryo is one of the bigger franchises that uses a lot of our bigger franchises that uses a lot of our bigger franchises that uses a lot of our red light therapy gear and I know they red light therapy gear and I know they red light therapy gear and I know they have some you know they they're it's a have some you know they they're it's a have some you know they they're it's a it's a popular type of therapy for sure five things that worked for him five things that worked for him installing a HEPA quality air filter installing a HEPA quality air filter installing a HEPA quality air filter creating a wine down routine adding
40:00creating a wine down routine adding creating a wine down routine adding adaptogens into my diet sunlight and adaptogens into my diet sunlight and adaptogens into my diet sunlight and floating and I would never floating and I would never floating and I would never the floating is just such a time the floating is just such a time the floating is just such a time commitment and yeah and it's like not no commitment and yeah and it's like not no commitment and yeah and it's like not no one has really the means for that unless one has really the means for that unless one has really the means for that unless yeah yeah so everyone who's like heavily yeah yeah so everyone who's like heavily yeah yeah so everyone who's like heavily into biohacking I mean we're kind of I into biohacking I mean we're kind of I into biohacking I mean we're kind of I feel like they quickly lose perspective but it's very fascinating and then the but it's very fascinating and then the adaptogen - have you ever played around adaptogen - have you ever played around adaptogen - have you ever played around with those Scott a little bit a little with those Scott a little bit a little with those Scott a little bit a little bit quite honestly like I I haven't they bit quite honestly like I I haven't they bit quite honestly like I I haven't they haven't III one of my biggest challenges haven't III one of my biggest challenges haven't III one of my biggest challenges is like my my my mind I have like I is like my my my mind I have like I is like my my my mind I have like I suffer from monkey mind a lot right so suffer from monkey mind a lot right so suffer from monkey mind a lot right so like it's sometimes it's hard when I like it's sometimes it's hard when I like it's sometimes it's hard when I when I when I even if I practice a wind when I when I even if I practice a wind when I when I even if I practice a wind down routine right I've got blue light down routine right I've got blue light down routine right I've got blue light blockers sometimes when I lay down I'll blockers sometimes when I lay down I'll blockers sometimes when I lay down I'll just be thinking it's just hard just be thinking it's just hard just be thinking it's just hard sometimes it's just really hard to shut sometimes it's just really hard to shut sometimes it's just really hard to shut off and so yeah I've off and so yeah I've off and so yeah I've a lot of adaptogens a lotta a lot of a a lot of adaptogens a lotta a lot of a a lot of adaptogens a lotta a lot of a lot of other like sleeping late at
41:00lot of other like sleeping late at lot of other like sleeping late at supplements and generally speaking they supplements and generally speaking they supplements and generally speaking they I haven't really seen great results for I haven't really seen great results for I haven't really seen great results for me any of those so III bring that up me any of those so III bring that up me any of those so III bring that up because like you mentioned you know some because like you mentioned you know some because like you mentioned you know some some hardcore bio hackers they can get some hardcore bio hackers they can get some hardcore bio hackers they can get like super intense and like a point they like super intense and like a point they like super intense and like a point they lose the world like he's like heaps lose the world like he's like heaps lose the world like he's like heaps pretty his habits are pretty simple pretty his habits are pretty simple pretty his habits are pretty simple right it's like be more outside right be right it's like be more outside right be right it's like be more outside right be really consistent about some type of really consistent about some type of really consistent about some type of movement whether it's you know a whether movement whether it's you know a whether movement whether it's you know a whether it's running or weightlifting or even it's running or weightlifting or even it's running or weightlifting or even just like you know frisbee golf you know just like you know frisbee golf you know just like you know frisbee golf you know being consistent about that you know being consistent about that you know being consistent about that you know obviously his you know he eats a you obviously his you know he eats a you obviously his you know he eats a you know keto slash you know paleo diets of know keto slash you know paleo diets of know keto slash you know paleo diets of being becoming to that it's like it being becoming to that it's like it being becoming to that it's like it doesn't have to be super complex it can doesn't have to be super complex it can doesn't have to be super complex it can be really simple but consistency in my be really simple but consistency in my be really simple but consistency in my opinion is it's really the name of the opinion is it's really the name of the opinion is it's really the name of the game okay yeah I think we cut out there game okay yeah I think we cut out there game okay yeah I think we cut out there for a second I think we are back though for a second I think we are back though for a second I think we are back though can you hear us can you hear us can you hear us yeah I can you know that yeah with the
42:00yeah I can you know that yeah with the yeah I can you know that yeah with the adaptogens I'm on the same page I think adaptogens I'm on the same page I think adaptogens I'm on the same page I think they're a little overblown personally they're a little overblown personally they're a little overblown personally and know what no the one the one I will and know what no the one the one I will and know what no the one the one I will speak highly of is ashwagandha after I speak highly of is ashwagandha after I speak highly of is ashwagandha after I like gave birth am i sleeping has been like gave birth am i sleeping has been like gave birth am i sleeping has been totally off and like taking it at night totally off and like taking it at night totally off and like taking it at night even starting with it in the day like even starting with it in the day like even starting with it in the day like for me it works really well but for Matt for me it works really well but for Matt for me it works really well but for Matt I'd like to totally do motivational I'd like to totally do motivational I'd like to totally do motivational independent so it sounds like I'm like independent so it sounds like I'm like independent so it sounds like I'm like the opposite of you I'm like kind of the opposite of you I'm like kind of the opposite of you I'm like kind of lazy and just chill naturally like a lazy and just chill naturally like a lazy and just chill naturally like a weed smoker yeah like I feel like for weed smoker yeah like I feel like for weed smoker yeah like I feel like for you as Fergana maybe could be a little you as Fergana maybe could be a little you as Fergana maybe could be a little bit more beneficial than it is for me bit more beneficial than it is for me bit more beneficial than it is for me but oh all like so and then the thing but oh all like so and then the thing but oh all like so and then the thing with the cryotherapy we went to like a with the cryotherapy we went to like a with the cryotherapy we went to like a cryo lab it seems like it was like a cryo lab it seems like it was like a cryo lab it seems like it was like a franchise type of a thing just so many franchise type of a thing just so many franchise type of a thing just so many bells and whistles smokes and mirrors I bells and whistles smokes and mirrors I bells and whistles smokes and mirrors I was not into it at all it like like I've was not into it at all it like like I've was not into it at all it like like I've been in ice baths before and ice baths been in ice baths before and ice baths been in ice baths before and ice baths work a thousand times better than at work a thousand times better than at work a thousand times better than at least this one cryotherapy that I went least this one cryotherapy that I went least this one cryotherapy that I went to yeah yeah yeah no I would agree if
43:00to yeah yeah yeah no I would agree if to yeah yeah yeah no I would agree if you could if you had if I had the choice you could if you had if I had the choice you could if you had if I had the choice of cryo III think cryos it can be a good of cryo III think cryos it can be a good of cryo III think cryos it can be a good therapy but I think it's it's def therapy but I think it's it's def therapy but I think it's it's def one of those on your your your indexing one of those on your your your indexing one of those on your your your indexing for like the 3% of people that would for like the 3% of people that would for like the 3% of people that would maybe you know really need that on any maybe you know really need that on any maybe you know really need that on any sort of consistent basis and when I say sort of consistent basis and when I say sort of consistent basis and when I say people I'm talking about people that are people I'm talking about people that are people I'm talking about people that are super like biohacker ish right super like biohacker ish right super like biohacker ish right or maybe extreme athletes that want that or maybe extreme athletes that want that or maybe extreme athletes that want that 1 or 2% edge or or just like someone 1 or 2% edge or or just like someone 1 or 2% edge or or just like someone that's like just really affluent has the that's like just really affluent has the that's like just really affluent has the time and money to like go to a time and money to like go to a time and money to like go to a cryotherapy clinic on a on a on a cryotherapy clinic on a on a on a cryotherapy clinic on a on a on a consistent basis but I do think like consistent basis but I do think like consistent basis but I do think like consistency is key there right I mean consistency is key there right I mean consistency is key there right I mean going once a week probably to a cryo going once a week probably to a cryo going once a week probably to a cryo clinic is probably not great for it for clinic is probably not great for it for clinic is probably not great for it for anyone if you're making a mess anyone if you're making a mess anyone if you're making a mess availability you don't want to be like availability you don't want to be like availability you don't want to be like liable for someone freezing to death liable for someone freezing to death liable for someone freezing to death that's like a divided by again so you're that's like a divided by again so you're that's like a divided by again so you're gonna be super cautious with the dosing gonna be super cautious with the dosing gonna be super cautious with the dosing so you we went in there was like two
44:00so you we went in there was like two so you we went in there was like two minutes or something yeah it was like minutes or something yeah it was like minutes or something yeah it was like you probably could have done five that you probably could have done five that you probably could have done five that would have been a way better cryo yeah would have been a way better cryo yeah would have been a way better cryo yeah yeah yeah I don't know about you you yeah yeah I don't know about you you yeah yeah I don't know about you you guys but like to your poor old dad's guys but like to your poor old dad's guys but like to your poor old dad's like the the feedback loop is so much like the the feedback loop is so much like the the feedback loop is so much stronger with like a you know well I'm stronger with like a you know well I'm stronger with like a you know well I'm not if you're doing cold immersion or not if you're doing cold immersion or not if you're doing cold immersion or just like a true cold bath it's like just like a true cold bath it's like just like a true cold bath it's like it's it's noticeably different than then it's it's noticeably different than then it's it's noticeably different than then cryo in terms like for example if I if I cryo in terms like for example if I if I cryo in terms like for example if I if I am in a cold a 55 degree cold bath as am in a cold a 55 degree cold bath as am in a cold a 55 degree cold bath as it's an example for 15 or 20 minutes it it's an example for 15 or 20 minutes it it's an example for 15 or 20 minutes it takes me a while to recover from that takes me a while to recover from that takes me a while to recover from that right if I go do a two minute trial right if I go do a two minute trial right if I go do a two minute trial cryotherapy session I'm recovered pretty cryotherapy session I'm recovered pretty cryotherapy session I'm recovered pretty quickly right so you have to ask quickly right so you have to ask quickly right so you have to ask yourself is that like what what what are yourself is that like what what what are yourself is that like what what what are the benefits I mean I don't get me wrong the benefits I mean I don't get me wrong the benefits I mean I don't get me wrong I'm not trying to I actually I do think I'm not trying to I actually I do think I'm not trying to I actually I do think like this that like the early science or like this that like the early science or like this that like the early science or on cryotherapy is you know semi on cryotherapy is you know semi on cryotherapy is you know semi compelling but the the usability or the compelling but the the usability or the compelling but the the usability or the practicality of it is it's kind of tough practicality of it is it's kind of tough practicality of it is it's kind of tough you know what I mean because you have to you know what I mean because you have to you know what I mean because you have to go to you have to go to a clinic etc
45:00go to you have to go to a clinic etc go to you have to go to a clinic etc that's why I tend to be fans of like you that's why I tend to be fans of like you that's why I tend to be fans of like you know the cryo the cryo therapy clinics know the cryo the cryo therapy clinics know the cryo the cryo therapy clinics that do it well are those like a restore that do it well are those like a restore that do it well are those like a restore as an example to offer a multitude of as an example to offer a multitude of as an example to offer a multitude of different things so when I go there I different things so when I go there I different things so when I go there I can do cry oh yes but I can also do a can do cry oh yes but I can also do a can do cry oh yes but I can also do a vitamin drip a vitamin A vitamin IV trip vitamin drip a vitamin A vitamin IV trip vitamin drip a vitamin A vitamin IV trip I can do I could do massage therapy I I can do I could do massage therapy I I can do I could do massage therapy I can do can do can do redlight I can do red light therapy I redlight I can do red light therapy I redlight I can do red light therapy I can do sauna like yeah yeah those are can do sauna like yeah yeah those are can do sauna like yeah yeah those are solid - yeah honestly on this topic solid - yeah honestly on this topic solid - yeah honestly on this topic that's one of the things right I just that's one of the things right I just that's one of the things right I just think most of these therapies are are think most of these therapies are are think most of these therapies are are probably better suited for home use you probably better suited for home use you probably better suited for home use you know because it's just hard it's hard know because it's just hard it's hard know because it's just hard it's hard it's hard to go to a like a commercial it's hard to go to a like a commercial it's hard to go to a like a commercial setting or a clinic on any sort setting or a clinic on any sort setting or a clinic on any sort consistent basis if you meet if you live consistent basis if you meet if you live consistent basis if you meet if you live like a normal busier life and so if you like a normal busier life and so if you like a normal busier life and so if you can find ways to use these therapies at can find ways to use these therapies at can find ways to use these therapies at home that's that's probably better yeah home that's that's probably better yeah home that's that's probably better yeah so touching back to the red light so touching back to the red light so touching back to the red light therapies we have an 8 month old son and therapies we have an 8 month old son and therapies we have an 8 month old son and I just assumed or Matt assumed it was
46:00I just assumed or Matt assumed it was I just assumed or Matt assumed it was safe was safe we like sit with him and safe was safe we like sit with him and safe was safe we like sit with him and for a bit yeah I'm curious though like for a bit yeah I'm curious though like for a bit yeah I'm curious though like and he's like naked so is there like any and he's like naked so is there like any and he's like naked so is there like any age issue there like a length issues for age issue there like a length issues for age issue there like a length issues for like someone as tiny as him like someone as tiny as him like someone as tiny as him yeah well based on kind of compliance yeah well based on kind of compliance yeah well based on kind of compliance guidelines like we have to say like if guidelines like we have to say like if guidelines like we have to say like if you you know if for a child like seek you you know if for a child like seek you you know if for a child like seek seek you know health you know counsel seek you know health you know counsel seek you know health you know counsel from your trusted health care provider from your trusted health care provider from your trusted health care provider so I will throw that caveat out there so I will throw that caveat out there so I will throw that caveat out there but theoretically it would be completely but theoretically it would be completely but theoretically it would be completely safe for for you know a baby with your safe for for you know a baby with your safe for for you know a baby with your kids yeah I would absolutely as an kids yeah I would absolutely as an kids yeah I would absolutely as an example like think about you know if example like think about you know if example like think about you know if you're I'm not sure if you're if your you're I'm not sure if you're if your you're I'm not sure if you're if your little one had jaundice you know coming little one had jaundice you know coming little one had jaundice you know coming out of the hospital out of the hospital out of the hospital yeah well it's it's pretty well yeah well it's it's pretty well yeah well it's it's pretty well established that yeah it's pretty well established that yeah it's pretty well established that yeah it's pretty well well establish that you know using well establish that you know using well establish that you know using bright blue or white light on newborns bright blue or white light on newborns bright blue or white light on newborns for jaundice is is really beneficial and for jaundice is is really beneficial and for jaundice is is really beneficial and so again that's another example of like so again that's another example of like so again that's another example of like something that is pretty well understood something that is pretty well understood something that is pretty well understood it's our body's responding the different it's our body's responding the different it's our body's responding the different wavelengths of light and so yeah these I wavelengths of light and so yeah these I wavelengths of light and so yeah these I would argue red and red and
47:00would argue red and red and would argue red and red and near-infrared wavelengths are much more near-infrared wavelengths are much more near-infrared wavelengths are much more much more much more much more you know healthier across the board and you know healthier across the board and you know healthier across the board and so yeah question yeah I I would have no so yeah question yeah I I would have no so yeah question yeah I I would have no problems with it problems with it problems with it you know from from a Jew for spective we you know from from a Jew for spective we you know from from a Jew for spective we have to kind of be careful based on yeah have to kind of be careful based on yeah have to kind of be careful based on yeah I kind of compliance to compliance I kind of compliance to compliance I kind of compliance to compliance issues what about for psoriasis Meghan issues what about for psoriasis Meghan issues what about for psoriasis Meghan has psoriasis do you have you been doing has psoriasis do you have you been doing has psoriasis do you have you been doing it you just do it like I assume just it you just do it like I assume just it you just do it like I assume just consistent treatment on the area is what consistent treatment on the area is what consistent treatment on the area is what you do for psoriasis oh yeah I'm sorry I you do for psoriasis oh yeah I'm sorry I you do for psoriasis oh yeah I'm sorry I didn't know I didn't really you're didn't know I didn't really you're didn't know I didn't really you're asking me yeah yeah there's some other asking me yeah yeah there's some other asking me yeah yeah there's some other wavelengths that may be a little bit wavelengths that may be a little bit wavelengths that may be a little bit more beneficial for psoriasis more beneficial for psoriasis more beneficial for psoriasis specifically but I think there's there's specifically but I think there's there's specifically but I think there's there's definitely definitely definitely clear evidence that suggests red light clear evidence that suggests red light clear evidence that suggests red light can be beneficial for psoriasis but yeah can be beneficial for psoriasis but yeah can be beneficial for psoriasis but yeah consistency would be would be crucial consistency would be would be crucial consistency would be would be crucial there so I would probably use it daily there so I would probably use it daily there so I would probably use it daily okay if you know if I if I had if I was okay if you know if I if I had if I was okay if you know if I if I had if I was trying to treat treat psoriasis someone trying to treat treat psoriasis someone trying to treat treat psoriasis someone in shots asking if it increases dopamine in shots asking if it increases dopamine in shots asking if it increases dopamine dopamine I'm not aware of any clear dopamine I'm not aware of any clear dopamine I'm not aware of any clear evidence that suggest it that you get a
48:00evidence that suggest it that you get a evidence that suggest it that you get a dopamine rush per se now having said dopamine rush per se now having said dopamine rush per se now having said that if you go to like re are reviews that if you go to like re are reviews that if you go to like re are reviews page which I think it's you know page which I think it's you know page which I think it's you know includes over you know thousand plus includes over you know thousand plus includes over you know thousand plus reviews you will see very similar reviews you will see very similar reviews you will see very similar responses that may lead you to think responses that may lead you to think responses that may lead you to think that like as an example and again these that like as an example and again these that like as an example and again these this is kind of more qualitative this is kind of more qualitative this is kind of more qualitative feedback but people generally just feel feedback but people generally just feel feedback but people generally just feel better right there's a there's a surge better right there's a there's a surge better right there's a there's a surge of you know and endorphins you know when of you know and endorphins you know when of you know and endorphins you know when they use red light therapy they're drawn they use red light therapy they're drawn they use red light therapy they're drawn to it and so whether that's dopamine to it and so whether that's dopamine to it and so whether that's dopamine kind of hard to tell but you'll there's kind of hard to tell but you'll there's kind of hard to tell but you'll there's a lot I'll say this there's a lot of a lot I'll say this there's a lot of a lot I'll say this there's a lot of people that that that experience those people that that that experience those people that that that experience those dopamine type of type of effects from dopamine type of type of effects from dopamine type of type of effects from using you know red light therapy on a using you know red light therapy on a using you know red light therapy on a consistent basis yes the best place is consistent basis yes the best place is consistent basis yes the best place is to hit up our website it's jhooth j oo to hit up our website it's jhooth j oo to hit up our website it's jhooth j oo VV so two O's two DS juvie yeah that's a VV so two O's two DS juvie yeah that's a VV so two O's two DS juvie yeah that's a it's it's a play on rejuvenate so it's a it's it's a play on rejuvenate so it's a it's it's a play on rejuvenate so it's a kind of playful word on on a shortened
49:00kind of playful word on on a shortened kind of playful word on on a shortened playful version of rejuvenate because playful version of rejuvenate because playful version of rejuvenate because that's really what these wavelengths of that's really what these wavelengths of that's really what these wavelengths of light are doing is helping to rejuvenate light are doing is helping to rejuvenate light are doing is helping to rejuvenate our Our Bodies Ourselves and so that's our Our Bodies Ourselves and so that's our Our Bodies Ourselves and so that's what kind of and it was a short calm what kind of and it was a short calm what kind of and it was a short calm that was available back when we started that was available back when we started that was available back when we started the company we didn't have the funds to the company we didn't have the funds to the company we didn't have the funds to work out tens of thousands of dollars work out tens of thousands of dollars work out tens of thousands of dollars for a domain and so so yeah that's what for a domain and so so yeah that's what for a domain and so so yeah that's what that's that's where that comes from but that's that's where that comes from but that's that's where that comes from but that's that that's probably the best that's that that's probably the best that's that that's probably the best place to go and if you're if you're place to go and if you're if you're place to go and if you're if you're first learning about this and kind of first learning about this and kind of first learning about this and kind of you know if you're curious and I've you know if you're curious and I've you know if you're curious and I've caught your attention or this discussion caught your attention or this discussion caught your attention or this discussion has caught your attention I would head has caught your attention I would head has caught your attention I would head to the learn page on our website that's to the learn page on our website that's to the learn page on our website that's where you'll find a robust amount of where you'll find a robust amount of where you'll find a robust amount of educational articles that are all well educational articles that are all well educational articles that are all well sourced that speak to the benefits kind sourced that speak to the benefits kind sourced that speak to the benefits kind of underlying mechanisms of action kind of underlying mechanisms of action kind of underlying mechanisms of action kind of what what to look for in a light of what what to look for in a light of what what to look for in a light their device so I would have there but their device so I would have there but their device so I would have there but if you want to like just if you want to like just if you want to like just I get an idea of what people the I get an idea of what people the I get an idea of what people the feedback that people are meeting about feedback that people are meeting about feedback that people are meeting about their devices I would go to the reviews their devices I would go to the reviews their devices I would go to the reviews page on our site you can kind of just page on our site you can kind of just page on our site you can kind of just see what people say in their own words see what people say in their own words see what people say in their own words about using using the red light therapy
50:00about using using the red light therapy about using using the red light therapy yeah maybe yeah maybe yeah maybe we've only had it for like two weeks now we've only had it for like two weeks now we've only had it for like two weeks now yeah yeah yeah and be great yeah yeah yeah and be great yeah yeah yeah and be great awesome in the description juve with two awesome in the description juve with two awesome in the description juve with two O's two V's com they have a variety O's two V's com they have a variety O's two V's com they have a variety probably wanted to be you know if I'm probably wanted to be you know if I'm probably wanted to be you know if I'm gonna plug our products that's probably gonna plug our products that's probably gonna plug our products that's probably our unique differentiate or our unique differentiate or our unique differentiate or differentiation with our products is the differentiation with our products is the differentiation with our products is the modular design and so what I mean by modular design and so what I mean by modular design and so what I mean by that is you can start with a smaller one that is you can start with a smaller one that is you can start with a smaller one a smaller panel or a smaller device and a smaller panel or a smaller device and a smaller panel or a smaller device and if you like it you can add on to it so if you like it you can add on to it so if you like it you can add on to it so kind of like Lego blocks they connect kind of like Lego blocks they connect kind of like Lego blocks they connect together and so you can start small and together and so you can start small and together and so you can start small and then build out a large or full-body then build out a large or full-body then build out a large or full-body system over time and so that's kind of system over time and so that's kind of system over time and so that's kind of unique to jube is that modular modular unique to jube is that modular modular unique to jube is that modular modular design you know it would be good design you know it would be good design you know it would be good marketing for you guys is just to build marketing for you guys is just to build marketing for you guys is just to build like a house out of juvie it's funny
51:00like a house out of juvie it's funny like a house out of juvie it's funny that you say that we leave there's a lot that you say that we leave there's a lot that you say that we leave there's a lot more um kind of niche home builders that more um kind of niche home builders that more um kind of niche home builders that are specializing in in homes that um you are specializing in in homes that um you are specializing in in homes that um you know are that kind of lend themselves know are that kind of lend themselves know are that kind of lend themselves better to kind of this this biohacking better to kind of this this biohacking better to kind of this this biohacking or this longevity kind of movement and a or this longevity kind of movement and a or this longevity kind of movement and a lot of them are starting to like find lot of them are starting to like find lot of them are starting to like find unique ways to incorporate like our unique ways to incorporate like our unique ways to incorporate like our devices you know just as part of the devices you know just as part of the devices you know just as part of the home you know whether that's custom home you know whether that's custom home you know whether that's custom build outs or whatnot but yeah it's build outs or whatnot but yeah it's build outs or whatnot but yeah it's funny that you say that we are we gonna funny that you say that we are we gonna funny that you say that we are we gonna be back tonight be back tonight be back tonight yeah from urgency eight okay we'll be yeah from urgency eight okay we'll be yeah from urgency eight okay we'll be back later on tonight that's true guys back later on tonight that's true guys back later on tonight that's true guys oh I guess I should say thanks for oh I guess I should say thanks for oh I guess I should say thanks for thanks for hanging for having me on yeah thanks for hanging for having me on yeah thanks for hanging for having me on yeah enjoy the conversation awesome yeah so enjoy the conversation awesome yeah so enjoy the conversation awesome yeah so guys check out do if we've got one we'll guys check out do if we've got one we'll guys check out do if we've got one we'll do more in-depth review what do you guys do more in-depth review what do you guys do more in-depth review what do you guys want to know specifically I guess like want to know specifically I guess like want to know specifically I guess like how it affects what I think sleep is how it affects what I think sleep is how it affects what I think sleep is like my main goal with it okay so I like my main goal with it okay so I like my main goal with it okay so I guess I gotta wear my order guess I gotta wear my order guess I gotta wear my order yeah and start tracking that a little
52:00yeah and start tracking that a little yeah and start tracking that a little bit but uh yeah we'll do a review bit but uh yeah we'll do a review bit but uh yeah we'll do a review probably in a month or two so thanks for probably in a month or two so thanks for probably in a month or two so thanks for joining guys we'll be back later tonight joining guys we'll be back later tonight joining guys we'll be back later tonight 8:00 p.m. 7:30 7:30