Harnessing the Power of Cold Exposure for Resilience and Longevity - Full Transcript

00:00[Music] hi my name is James Andrea and you're hi my name is James Andrea and you're listening to the sixth episode of The listening to the sixth episode of The listening to the sixth episode of The Back To Human podcast on today's show we Back To Human podcast on today's show we Back To Human podcast on today's show we have special guest Dr Thomas Seeger Dr have special guest Dr Thomas Seeger Dr have special guest Dr Thomas Seeger Dr Seeger is an associate professor in the Seeger is an associate professor in the Seeger is an associate professor in the school of sustainable engineering and school of sustainable engineering and school of sustainable engineering and the built environment at Arizona State the built environment at Arizona State the built environment at Arizona State University is teaching and research is University is teaching and research is University is teaching and research is focused on a new approach to personal focused on a new approach to personal focused on a new approach to personal development called self-actual development called self-actual development called self-actual engineering which is about redesigning engineering which is about redesigning engineering which is about redesigning ourselves our relationships and our ourselves our relationships and our ourselves our relationships and our lives to realize more of our fullest lives to realize more of our fullest lives to realize more of our fullest potential potential potential Dr Seeger is also the CEO of Morosco Dr Seeger is also the CEO of Morosco Dr Seeger is also the CEO of Morosco Forge which is a company that builds ice Forge which is a company that builds ice Forge which is a company that builds ice baths that can be maintain freezing baths that can be maintain freezing baths that can be maintain freezing temperatures and it also has its own temperatures and it also has its own temperatures and it also has its own filtration system and ozone as a filtration system and ozone as a filtration system and ozone as a disinfectant so you can enjoy doing cold disinfectant so you can enjoy doing cold disinfectant so you can enjoy doing cold plunges as much as you want without plunges as much as you want without plunges as much as you want without having to go to the gas station to buy having to go to the gas station to buy having to go to the gas station to buy loads of ice every day loads of ice every day loads of ice every day I'm very excited to have him on the show I'm very excited to have him on the show I'm very excited to have him on the show today to talk about the benefits of cold today to talk about the benefits of cold today to talk about the benefits of cold exposure and without further ado

01:00exposure and without further ado exposure and without further ado Tom Sager Tom welcome to the show thank Tom Sager Tom welcome to the show thank Tom Sager Tom welcome to the show thank you James thank you it's a pleasure to you James thank you it's a pleasure to you James thank you it's a pleasure to be here be here be here thank you so much man so uh wanted to thank you so much man so uh wanted to thank you so much man so uh wanted to know how you got your first introduction know how you got your first introduction know how you got your first introduction into uh cold thermogenesis like what got into uh cold thermogenesis like what got into uh cold thermogenesis like what got you started how long ago did you start you started how long ago did you start you started how long ago did you start and what inspired that and what inspired that and what inspired that let's go back maybe six years let's go back maybe six years let's go back maybe six years um what inspired it was a lot of um what inspired it was a lot of um what inspired it was a lot of dissatisfaction with my life dissatisfaction with my life dissatisfaction with my life um um um my children were growing uh by this time my children were growing uh by this time my children were growing uh by this time my daughter was maybe 16 she was my daughter was maybe 16 she was my daughter was maybe 16 she was graduating from high school early and graduating from high school early and graduating from high school early and that's an inflection point in every that's an inflection point in every that's an inflection point in every marriage and the way my marriage marriage and the way my marriage marriage and the way my marriage inflected was to dissolve so my wife inflected was to dissolve so my wife inflected was to dissolve so my wife went one way I went another way now I went one way I went another way now I went one way I went another way now I gotta go back out on The Dating Market I gotta go back out on The Dating Market I gotta go back out on The Dating Market I gotta figure all that out I'm almost 50. gotta figure all that out I'm almost 50. gotta figure all that out I'm almost 50. and I was going to read everything and I was going to read everything and I was going to read everything everything I can get my hands on thank

02:00everything I can get my hands on thank everything I can get my hands on thank goodness for the internet and thank goodness for the internet and thank goodness for the internet and thank goodness for digital publishing so I'm goodness for digital publishing so I'm goodness for digital publishing so I'm pouring through every book that anybody pouring through every book that anybody pouring through every book that anybody recommends to me and I get to Mike recommends to me and I get to Mike recommends to me and I get to Mike cernovich's gorilla mindset cernovich's gorilla mindset cernovich's gorilla mindset this is before cernovich became like a this is before cernovich became like a this is before cernovich became like a famous political journalist he published famous political journalist he published famous political journalist he published this book which is autobiographical and this book which is autobiographical and this book which is autobiographical and in there practically the only thing I in there practically the only thing I in there practically the only thing I remember is that he says you should take remember is that he says you should take remember is that he says you should take cold showers you should take cold cold showers you should take cold cold showers you should take cold showers because they suck and you're showers because they suck and you're showers because they suck and you're gonna hate it and you should do more gonna hate it and you should do more gonna hate it and you should do more things that you hate things that you hate things that you hate and I'm in this really experimental mind and I'm in this really experimental mind and I'm in this really experimental mind I'd I'd I'd um I'd lost a lot of weight I was almost um I'd lost a lot of weight I was almost um I'd lost a lot of weight I was almost 250 like between 245 and 250 I got 250 like between 245 and 250 I got 250 like between 245 and 250 I got myself down in the mid 190s myself down in the mid 190s myself down in the mid 190s um and I did this because I read um and I did this because I read um and I did this because I read anti-fragile by uh taleb he says uh you anti-fragile by uh taleb he says uh you anti-fragile by uh taleb he says uh you know fasting is good for you know fasting is good for you know fasting is good for you um I already knew a lot about the Atkins um I already knew a lot about the Atkins um I already knew a lot about the Atkins diet and I knew a lot about glucose uh diet and I knew a lot about glucose uh diet and I knew a lot about glucose uh because my son was diagnosed with type 1 because my son was diagnosed with type 1 because my son was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes when he was six years old I

03:00diabetes when he was six years old I diabetes when he was six years old I already knew that everything the already knew that everything the already knew that everything the dietitians and nutritionists were trying dietitians and nutritionists were trying dietitians and nutritionists were trying to tell us was bullcrap because I was to tell us was bullcrap because I was to tell us was bullcrap because I was measuring his blood glucose it was measuring his blood glucose it was measuring his blood glucose it was really difficult to get good advice really difficult to get good advice really difficult to get good advice nutritional advice out of traditional nutritional advice out of traditional nutritional advice out of traditional medicine so I I've been prepared by medicine so I I've been prepared by medicine so I I've been prepared by almost 20 years not quite but you know almost 20 years not quite but you know almost 20 years not quite but you know 15 years of working with my son's 15 years of working with my son's 15 years of working with my son's diabetes to be suspicious of everything diabetes to be suspicious of everything diabetes to be suspicious of everything the medical establishment was telling me the medical establishment was telling me the medical establishment was telling me to run my own experiments find out what to run my own experiments find out what to run my own experiments find out what works for me and here's cernovich saying works for me and here's cernovich saying works for me and here's cernovich saying I got to take cold showers I got to take cold showers I got to take cold showers so thank goodness that I live in Phoenix so thank goodness that I live in Phoenix so thank goodness that I live in Phoenix because the tap water is like you know because the tap water is like you know because the tap water is like you know in the wintertime 60 degrees or in the wintertime 60 degrees or in the wintertime 60 degrees or something like not even cold by the something like not even cold by the something like not even cold by the standards that I would measure now standards that I would measure now standards that I would measure now so I go into my shower and I hate it so I go into my shower and I hate it so I go into my shower and I hate it like see I'm he's right it's 60 and I'm like see I'm he's right it's 60 and I'm like see I'm he's right it's 60 and I'm still like screw you Mike cernovich you still like screw you Mike cernovich you still like screw you Mike cernovich you know and I don't know how to do this I know and I don't know how to do this I know and I don't know how to do this I haven't watched any of Ben Greenfield's

04:00haven't watched any of Ben Greenfield's haven't watched any of Ben Greenfield's videos or anything but I keep it up videos or anything but I keep it up videos or anything but I keep it up because he was right I hated it and I because he was right I hated it and I because he was right I hated it and I should probably do things that I'm should probably do things that I'm should probably do things that I'm uncomfortable with uncomfortable with uncomfortable with um you know I think Eleanor Roosevelt um you know I think Eleanor Roosevelt um you know I think Eleanor Roosevelt has that quote do something every day has that quote do something every day has that quote do something every day that scares you and this is the thing that scares you and this is the thing that scares you and this is the thing that scared me that scared me that scared me and then uh vimhoff started becoming and then uh vimhoff started becoming and then uh vimhoff started becoming like a big thing there's a burning man like a big thing there's a burning man like a big thing there's a burning man troupe here in Phoenix this is all troupe here in Phoenix this is all troupe here in Phoenix this is all pre-covet and so you know they're in the pre-covet and so you know they're in the pre-covet and so you know they're in the yoga and art cars and things like that yoga and art cars and things like that yoga and art cars and things like that and they stumbled across vimhoff Scott and they stumbled across vimhoff Scott and they stumbled across vimhoff Scott Carney's book came out Carney's book came out Carney's book came out um uh what doesn't kill us and you know um uh what doesn't kill us and you know um uh what doesn't kill us and you know it's all about the amazing vimhawk so it's all about the amazing vimhawk so it's all about the amazing vimhawk so some of the people that are new some of the people that are new some of the people that are new including Jason who's uh graduate of including Jason who's uh graduate of including Jason who's uh graduate of Arizona State University he was in my Arizona State University he was in my Arizona State University he was in my class uh he's part of this Burning Man class uh he's part of this Burning Man class uh he's part of this Burning Man true and he's like hey Tom you should do true and he's like hey Tom you should do true and he's like hey Tom you should do this Bim Hof stuff with me well now this Bim Hof stuff with me well now this Bim Hof stuff with me well now Jason is the CEO of Morocco Forge I've

05:00Jason is the CEO of Morocco Forge I've Jason is the CEO of Morocco Forge I've stepped back into this Chief science stepped back into this Chief science stepped back into this Chief science officer role and Jason is taking over officer role and Jason is taking over officer role and Jason is taking over the company the company the company um and he really got me like deeper into um and he really got me like deeper into um and he really got me like deeper into this we buy like just like you say we this we buy like just like you say we this we buy like just like you say we got another Quickie Mart we get 200 got another Quickie Mart we get 200 got another Quickie Mart we get 200 pounds of ice we put it in a tub we do pounds of ice we put it in a tub we do pounds of ice we put it in a tub we do all the hyperventilation and we get in all the hyperventilation and we get in all the hyperventilation and we get in there and I'm like no this is it totally there and I'm like no this is it totally there and I'm like no this is it totally different experience than the cold different experience than the cold different experience than the cold shower the cold shower made me angry and shower the cold shower made me angry and shower the cold shower made me angry and the ice bath made me exhilarated and the ice bath made me exhilarated and the ice bath made me exhilarated and like there was Joy inside me coming out like there was Joy inside me coming out like there was Joy inside me coming out of the ice bath which is a much better of the ice bath which is a much better of the ice bath which is a much better feeling than anger feeling than anger feeling than anger it's years later because it's just like it's years later because it's just like it's years later because it's just like six months ago I found this journal six months ago I found this journal six months ago I found this journal article and you're not going to believe article and you're not going to believe article and you're not going to believe it it's in some obscure Journal like you it it's in some obscure Journal like you it it's in some obscure Journal like you know the Journal of circumpolar know the Journal of circumpolar know the Journal of circumpolar Scandinavian Health there's something Scandinavian Health there's something Scandinavian Health there's something that you would never think and there's that you would never think and there's that you would never think and there's this guy in Finland who did this study this guy in Finland who did this study this guy in Finland who did this study whole body cold immersion versus partial whole body cold immersion versus partial whole body cold immersion versus partial body partial body will speed up your body partial body will speed up your body partial body will speed up your heart rate whole body will slow it down

06:00heart rate whole body will slow it down heart rate whole body will slow it down and I'm like that's it when I was and I'm like that's it when I was and I'm like that's it when I was getting into my shower you can never get getting into my shower you can never get getting into my shower you can never get your whole you know it's only one half your whole you know it's only one half your whole you know it's only one half of your body that is cold and it's of your body that is cold and it's of your body that is cold and it's speeding up my heart rate and it's speeding up my heart rate and it's speeding up my heart rate and it's giving me the adrenaline and but I can't giving me the adrenaline and but I can't giving me the adrenaline and but I can't calm down like that I'm not getting the calm down like that I'm not getting the calm down like that I'm not getting the meditative State like that and I'm not meditative State like that and I'm not meditative State like that and I'm not getting the joy and the feeling of getting the joy and the feeling of getting the joy and the feeling of exhilaration but one of my whole body I exhilaration but one of my whole body I exhilaration but one of my whole body I was hooked and you got to imagine James was hooked and you got to imagine James was hooked and you got to imagine James that the water in the summer in Phoenix that the water in the summer in Phoenix that the water in the summer in Phoenix is like 90 degrees I couldn't even do my is like 90 degrees I couldn't even do my is like 90 degrees I couldn't even do my tepid showers anymore but that's okay tepid showers anymore but that's okay tepid showers anymore but that's okay Jason's got a backyard and we get Jason's got a backyard and we get Jason's got a backyard and we get ourselves a stock tank and we're buying ourselves a stock tank and we're buying ourselves a stock tank and we're buying ice ice ice it takes a hell of a lot of ice to get it takes a hell of a lot of ice to get it takes a hell of a lot of ice to get that 90 degree water down to like 40 and that 90 degree water down to like 40 and that 90 degree water down to like 40 and keep it there for long enough to have keep it there for long enough to have keep it there for long enough to have like a cold plunge party in your like a cold plunge party in your like a cold plunge party in your backyard at 115 degrees in Phoenix so we backyard at 115 degrees in Phoenix so we backyard at 115 degrees in Phoenix so we got frustrated we're like this isn't got frustrated we're like this isn't got frustrated we're like this isn't working working working we want to keep doing it we want to keep doing it we want to keep doing it but heck we're Engineers you know I I but heck we're Engineers you know I I but heck we're Engineers you know I I know my thermodynamics I ought to be

07:00know my thermodynamics I ought to be know my thermodynamics I ought to be able to make this work so able to make this work so able to make this work so um I took an old dorm fridge and I um I took an old dorm fridge and I um I took an old dorm fridge and I dropped it off at Jason's house I can dropped it off at Jason's house I can dropped it off at Jason's house I can give him any instructions or any ideas give him any instructions or any ideas give him any instructions or any ideas or anything like that and my girlfriend or anything like that and my girlfriend or anything like that and my girlfriend was like well aren't you going to tell was like well aren't you going to tell was like well aren't you going to tell them what that's for like nope I don't them what that's for like nope I don't them what that's for like nope I don't need to sure enough he called me the need to sure enough he called me the need to sure enough he called me the next day and he's like do you have next day and he's like do you have next day and he's like do you have another one of those wait make it two I another one of those wait make it two I another one of those wait make it two I just broke that one you know he's taking just broke that one you know he's taking just broke that one you know he's taking it all apart and trying to figure out it all apart and trying to figure out it all apart and trying to figure out how it works and a month later we're how it works and a month later we're how it works and a month later we're making ice we're making ice in a stock making ice we're making ice in a stock making ice we're making ice in a stock tank we built our own refrigeration unit tank we built our own refrigeration unit tank we built our own refrigeration unit and we're like I think if we insulate and we're like I think if we insulate and we're like I think if we insulate this ride and we put a box around it and this ride and we put a box around it and this ride and we put a box around it and is the ugliest monstrosity I have is the ugliest monstrosity I have is the ugliest monstrosity I have pictures but I'm not going to show them pictures but I'm not going to show them pictures but I'm not going to show them the they say if you're not embarrassed the they say if you're not embarrassed the they say if you're not embarrassed by your first prototype you're not by your first prototype you're not by your first prototype you're not trying hard enough you know and this was trying hard enough you know and this was trying hard enough you know and this was the most awful thing but we had a party the most awful thing but we had a party the most awful thing but we had a party and we had a bunch of people over and and we had a bunch of people over and and we had a bunch of people over and one of the guys is like I want to buy it one of the guys is like I want to buy it one of the guys is like I want to buy it and so you know Jason and I were looking and so you know Jason and I were looking and so you know Jason and I were looking at each other thinking we just want to at each other thinking we just want to at each other thinking we just want to make our lives easier so we didn't have

08:00make our lives easier so we didn't have make our lives easier so we didn't have to go get 200 pounds of ice every week to go get 200 pounds of ice every week to go get 200 pounds of ice every week now I've spent twenty thousand dollars now I've spent twenty thousand dollars now I've spent twenty thousand dollars on copper and wire and tanks and on copper and wire and tanks and on copper and wire and tanks and insulation and stuff like this insulation and stuff like this insulation and stuff like this what will we even sell this for and it what will we even sell this for and it what will we even sell this for and it was an embarrassingly small Pro we had was an embarrassingly small Pro we had was an embarrassingly small Pro we had no idea that there was no such thing as no idea that there was no such thing as no idea that there was no such thing as an ice bath Market or we would have an ice bath Market or we would have an ice bath Market or we would have bought it off of somebody else I guess bought it off of somebody else I guess bought it off of somebody else I guess if if there was but we had no idea that if if there was but we had no idea that if if there was but we had no idea that there were other people out there who there were other people out there who there were other people out there who wanted the same thing that we wanted wanted the same thing that we wanted wanted the same thing that we wanted so we put some pictures up on Etsy we so we put some pictures up on Etsy we so we put some pictures up on Etsy we sold it to one of our friends sold it to one of our friends sold it to one of our friends and sure enough a guy in San Francisco and sure enough a guy in San Francisco and sure enough a guy in San Francisco who's a friend of Ben Greenfield's call who's a friend of Ben Greenfield's call who's a friend of Ben Greenfield's call us up and he says I've been looking for us up and he says I've been looking for us up and he says I've been looking for years for something like I think you got years for something like I think you got years for something like I think you got I saw your pictures on Etsy we're not I saw your pictures on Etsy we're not I saw your pictures on Etsy we're not even on Etsy anymore James like it was even on Etsy anymore James like it was even on Etsy anymore James like it was an embarrassment but he says will you an embarrassment but he says will you an embarrassment but he says will you make me one and um make me one and um make me one and um Jason and I looked at each other and Jason and I looked at each other and Jason and I looked at each other and said I think we need a website you know said I think we need a website you know said I think we need a website you know I think we need to put this out there uh I think we need to put this out there uh I think we need to put this out there uh Jason took a forge to Burning Man again

09:00Jason took a forge to Burning Man again Jason took a forge to Burning Man again this is all pre-covered he brought ice this is all pre-covered he brought ice this is all pre-covered he brought ice to the Playa and it was a sensation to the Playa and it was a sensation to the Playa and it was a sensation because to get an ice bath because to get an ice bath because to get an ice bath you know in the desert to incorporate you know in the desert to incorporate you know in the desert to incorporate that into the whole experience of that into the whole experience of that into the whole experience of burning men with something nobody burning men with something nobody burning men with something nobody expected and everybody appreciated we expected and everybody appreciated we expected and everybody appreciated we got that call from Ben Greenfield and he got that call from Ben Greenfield and he got that call from Ben Greenfield and he says says says um so I heard you got a um interesting um so I heard you got a um interesting um so I heard you got a um interesting thing going on you know I'm in kind of thing going on you know I'm in kind of thing going on you know I'm in kind of into coal exposure James I had no idea into coal exposure James I had no idea into coal exposure James I had no idea who Ben Greenfield was I'm like yeah who Ben Greenfield was I'm like yeah who Ben Greenfield was I'm like yeah what's it to you you know I'm not saying what's it to you you know I'm not saying what's it to you you know I'm not saying I was a jerk I was a jerk I was a jerk um but I didn't know how affiliate um but I didn't know how affiliate um but I didn't know how affiliate marketing works I didn't know how search marketing works I didn't know how search marketing works I didn't know how search engine optimization worked I didn't know engine optimization worked I didn't know engine optimization worked I didn't know who Ben Greenfield was but we talked it who Ben Greenfield was but we talked it who Ben Greenfield was but we talked it over and he came recommended from our over and he came recommended from our over and he came recommended from our customer in San Francisco we said okay customer in San Francisco we said okay customer in San Francisco we said okay he seems like a nice guy let's get him a he seems like a nice guy let's get him a he seems like a nice guy let's get him a forge unbeknownst to us Ben was writing forge unbeknownst to us Ben was writing forge unbeknownst to us Ben was writing his book boundless and he was almost at his book boundless and he was almost at his book boundless and he was almost at the stage where he had proofs and he

10:00the stage where he had proofs and he the stage where he had proofs and he didn't even see the forge but he talked didn't even see the forge but he talked didn't even see the forge but he talked to his friend our customer he'd heard to his friend our customer he'd heard to his friend our customer he'd heard from some people who are at Burning Man from some people who are at Burning Man from some people who are at Burning Man he wrote us into the book and he was he wrote us into the book and he was he wrote us into the book and he was like by the way you know there's this like by the way you know there's this like by the way you know there's this come he called marazzo Forge they use come he called marazzo Forge they use come he called marazzo Forge they use ozone filtration they make ice it sounds ozone filtration they make ice it sounds ozone filtration they make ice it sounds pretty cool maybe you want to check them pretty cool maybe you want to check them pretty cool maybe you want to check them out out out the book came out after we sent him a the book came out after we sent him a the book came out after we sent him a forge and I was so flattered and forge and I was so flattered and forge and I was so flattered and grateful to Ben I'm like gotta call him grateful to Ben I'm like gotta call him grateful to Ben I'm like gotta call him up gotta email him got to find out how's up gotta email him got to find out how's up gotta email him got to find out how's his Forge his Forge his Forge well he froze it solid like he he hadn't well he froze it solid like he he hadn't well he froze it solid like he he hadn't even been in it like he set it up and even been in it like he set it up and even been in it like he set it up and it's cold in Spokane in the winter time it's cold in Spokane in the winter time it's cold in Spokane in the winter time he had it Outdoors which is not he had it Outdoors which is not he had it Outdoors which is not something that we've experienced you something that we've experienced you something that we've experienced you know we're in Phoenix we didn't know it know we're in Phoenix we didn't know it know we're in Phoenix we didn't know it took like two days for that thing to took like two days for that thing to took like two days for that thing to squeeze like 18 straight inches of ice squeeze like 18 straight inches of ice squeeze like 18 straight inches of ice he's like Tom I haven't even been in it he's like Tom I haven't even been in it he's like Tom I haven't even been in it I had to wait till May for his Forge to I had to wait till May for his Forge to I had to wait till May for his Forge to thaw out you know for him or maybe it thaw out you know for him or maybe it thaw out you know for him or maybe it was April but you get my point and then was April but you get my point and then was April but you get my point and then he starts going in and he I love it Ben

11:00he starts going in and he I love it Ben he starts going in and he I love it Ben said I have Brian Hoyer come out I said I have Brian Hoyer come out I said I have Brian Hoyer come out I wanted to check the grounding you know wanted to check the grounding you know wanted to check the grounding you know because he's very EMF conscious and because he's very EMF conscious and because he's very EMF conscious and grounding therapy well that's the thing grounding therapy well that's the thing grounding therapy well that's the thing it reduces the viscosity of your blood it reduces the viscosity of your blood it reduces the viscosity of your blood it breaks up coagulation it helps it breaks up coagulation it helps it breaks up coagulation it helps prevent heart disease it improves your prevent heart disease it improves your prevent heart disease it improves your mental clarity mental clarity mental clarity and we grounded the forge on purpose and and we grounded the forge on purpose and and we grounded the forge on purpose and we're thinking safety you know we we we're thinking safety you know we we we're thinking safety you know we we want it's an electrical Appliance it's want it's an electrical Appliance it's want it's an electrical Appliance it's got a metal tub but we didn't just got a metal tub but we didn't just got a metal tub but we didn't just ground the tub we ground the water we ground the tub we ground the water we ground the tub we ground the water we grounded everything and when Brian grounded everything and when Brian grounded everything and when Brian horror got up to Ben Greenfield Bringers horror got up to Ben Greenfield Bringers horror got up to Ben Greenfield Bringers are like I love this I'm getting my are like I love this I'm getting my are like I love this I'm getting my grounding therapy I'm getting my cold grounding therapy I'm getting my cold grounding therapy I'm getting my cold therapy you guys have done something therapy you guys have done something therapy you guys have done something fantastic he started posting the next fantastic he started posting the next fantastic he started posting the next thing you know we have a company thing you know we have a company thing you know we have a company I'm not saying we're making any money I'm not saying we're making any money I'm not saying we're making any money James like I might be the worst James like I might be the worst James like I might be the worst businessman who ever you know got this businessman who ever you know got this businessman who ever you know got this far founding uh company far founding uh company far founding uh company um but we're filling a need that a lot um but we're filling a need that a lot um but we're filling a need that a lot of people have of people have of people have since us you know you you can Google

12:00since us you know you you can Google since us you know you you can Google cold bath whatever and you're going to cold bath whatever and you're going to cold bath whatever and you're going to find at least a half a dozen competitors find at least a half a dozen competitors find at least a half a dozen competitors and sometimes I worry about it like and sometimes I worry about it like and sometimes I worry about it like they're all selling more equipment than they're all selling more equipment than they're all selling more equipment than we are we're still the only ones who we are we're still the only ones who we are we're still the only ones who make ice make ice make ice and then well I'll have an interview and then well I'll have an interview and then well I'll have an interview like this and people say well why do you like this and people say well why do you like this and people say well why do you need ice I'll be like you know you don't need ice I'll be like you know you don't need ice I'll be like you know you don't need ice you know you can do 50 degrees need ice you know you can do 50 degrees need ice you know you can do 50 degrees I started at 60. it scared the hell out I started at 60. it scared the hell out I started at 60. it scared the hell out of me you don't need ice but I do I need of me you don't need ice but I do I need of me you don't need ice but I do I need ice because when I stare down at my ice because when I stare down at my ice because when I stare down at my Forge if I don't see ice in there I'm Forge if I don't see ice in there I'm Forge if I don't see ice in there I'm like there's nothing to be scared of you like there's nothing to be scared of you like there's nothing to be scared of you know I don't get that anxiety I don't know I don't get that anxiety I don't know I don't get that anxiety I don't get that nervous system activation I did get that nervous system activation I did get that nervous system activation I did 50 degrees at a friend's house the other 50 degrees at a friend's house the other 50 degrees at a friend's house the other day he has Parkinson's and to him the day he has Parkinson's and to him the day he has Parkinson's and to him the Shivering is very scary he wants the Shivering is very scary he wants the Shivering is very scary he wants the dopamine because if you know anything dopamine because if you know anything dopamine because if you know anything about Parkinson's it's a dopamine about Parkinson's it's a dopamine about Parkinson's it's a dopamine disorder you get this big dopamine hit disorder you get this big dopamine hit disorder you get this big dopamine hit it lasts for hours and he feels so much it lasts for hours and he feels so much it lasts for hours and he feels so much better but the his Parkinson's comes better but the his Parkinson's comes better but the his Parkinson's comes with a tremble and if he gets too cold with a tremble and if he gets too cold with a tremble and if he gets too cold and it begins to shiver it's all the

13:00and it begins to shiver it's all the and it begins to shiver it's all the more frightening because he's like is more frightening because he's like is more frightening because he's like is this Parkinson's or is this just this Parkinson's or is this just this Parkinson's or is this just thermogenesis so he keeps it at 50. I'm thermogenesis so he keeps it at 50. I'm thermogenesis so he keeps it at 50. I'm like okay great I'll get in I'm here like okay great I'll get in I'm here like okay great I'll get in I'm here with you you know I'm here to support with you you know I'm here to support with you you know I'm here to support you you you and I could do 50 degrees all day now to and I could do 50 degrees all day now to and I could do 50 degrees all day now to try and make it more challenging try and make it more challenging try and make it more challenging um I did this thing which by the way you um I did this thing which by the way you um I did this thing which by the way you should not do but I'm going to do a should not do but I'm going to do a should not do but I'm going to do a breath hold and I'm gonna do a face down breath hold and I'm gonna do a face down breath hold and I'm gonna do a face down breath hold because it's only 50 degrees breath hold because it's only 50 degrees breath hold because it's only 50 degrees um I set a new record 22 seconds yay he um I set a new record 22 seconds yay he um I set a new record 22 seconds yay he goes you should do that with a snorkel goes you should do that with a snorkel goes you should do that with a snorkel and that way you can breathe so I did I and that way you can breathe so I did I and that way you can breathe so I did I used to snorkel around all the time when used to snorkel around all the time when used to snorkel around all the time when I was a kid I was a kid I was a kid indefinitely like 50 degrees is no indefinitely like 50 degrees is no indefinitely like 50 degrees is no longer a metabolic challenge for me but longer a metabolic challenge for me but longer a metabolic challenge for me but it is for him I need ice because if I it is for him I need ice because if I it is for him I need ice because if I don't see the ice and have the don't see the ice and have the don't see the ice and have the experience of the ice I'm not getting experience of the ice I'm not getting experience of the ice I'm not getting the psychological activation that I'm the psychological activation that I'm the psychological activation that I'm looking for I'm still getting the brown looking for I'm still getting the brown looking for I'm still getting the brown fat and that's wonderful I could still

14:00fat and that's wonderful I could still fat and that's wonderful I could still use it for exercise recovery even though use it for exercise recovery even though use it for exercise recovery even though I never do I never do I never do um I'm always cold exposure before the um I'm always cold exposure before the um I'm always cold exposure before the exercise exercise exercise but for psychological reasons for but for psychological reasons for but for psychological reasons for reasons of psychological resilience I reasons of psychological resilience I reasons of psychological resilience I want that ice want that ice want that ice it turns out I'm not the only one you say don't do a breath hold and I'm you say don't do a breath hold and I'm I'm thinking don't go on my Instagram I'm thinking don't go on my Instagram I'm thinking don't go on my Instagram because I literally have one where I'm because I literally have one where I'm because I literally have one where I'm in the forage and I'm holding my breath in the forage and I'm holding my breath in the forage and I'm holding my breath probably I think I'd be beat your record probably I think I'd be beat your record probably I think I'd be beat your record but uh I wouldn't be surprised I suck at but uh I wouldn't be surprised I suck at but uh I wouldn't be surprised I suck at that breath hole that scares the [ __ ] that breath hole that scares the [ __ ] that breath hole that scares the [ __ ] out of me and um but I mean that's out of me and um but I mean that's out of me and um but I mean that's partly why I do it but yes I'm saying partly why I do it but yes I'm saying partly why I do it but yes I'm saying don't do a breath hold and here's why don't do a breath hold and here's why don't do a breath hold and here's why um there's something called autonomic um there's something called autonomic um there's something called autonomic conflict I did not make this term up conflict I did not make this term up conflict I did not make this term up there's a researcher in the United there's a researcher in the United there's a researcher in the United Kingdom uh his last name is Tipton and Kingdom uh his last name is Tipton and Kingdom uh his last name is Tipton and he's published I've never talked to him he's published I've never talked to him he's published I've never talked to him but he's published a few studies but he's published a few studies but he's published a few studies um if the videos on Instagram or YouTube um if the videos on Instagram or YouTube um if the videos on Instagram or YouTube are to be believed Tipton has a cold lab

15:00are to be believed Tipton has a cold lab are to be believed Tipton has a cold lab he's got a cold tank he has these he's got a cold tank he has these he's got a cold tank he has these controlled conditions in which he controlled conditions in which he controlled conditions in which he immerses people it's not an ice bath immerses people it's not an ice bath immerses people it's not an ice bath it's a cold bath it's a cold bath it's a cold bath um and he does this in a much more um and he does this in a much more um and he does this in a much more scientific way than I do so they can scientific way than I do so they can scientific way than I do so they can publish these articles and he may have publish these articles and he may have publish these articles and he may have coined or at least he published about coined or at least he published about coined or at least he published about this phrase autonomic conflict and by this phrase autonomic conflict and by this phrase autonomic conflict and by the way wait Wikipedia loves it they the way wait Wikipedia loves it they the way wait Wikipedia loves it they love citing Tipton and they love trying love citing Tipton and they love trying love citing Tipton and they love trying to tell you that you're gonna die in to tell you that you're gonna die in to tell you that you're gonna die in your ice bath which you are not but I your ice bath which you are not but I your ice bath which you are not but I can't convince there's some English can't convince there's some English can't convince there's some English major on the other side of Wikipedia major on the other side of Wikipedia major on the other side of Wikipedia that keeps canceling my edits and that keeps canceling my edits and that keeps canceling my edits and telling me I don't know what I'm talking telling me I don't know what I'm talking telling me I don't know what I'm talking about so I've given up on Wikipedia about so I've given up on Wikipedia about so I've given up on Wikipedia still Tipton says the autonomic conflict still Tipton says the autonomic conflict still Tipton says the autonomic conflict works like this when you get into the works like this when you get into the works like this when you get into the forge or to the cold water and you go in forge or to the cold water and you go in forge or to the cold water and you go in feet first just like our ancestral you feet first just like our ancestral you feet first just like our ancestral you know eight black or the early human know eight black or the early human know eight black or the early human beings must have waded into the river to beings must have waded into the river to beings must have waded into the river to catch fish

16:00catch fish catch fish you experience something called the gasp you experience something called the gasp you experience something called the gasp reflex and you like we're not going to reflex and you like we're not going to reflex and you like we're not going to the forges it still happens to me the forges it still happens to me the forges it still happens to me it will cause you you'll feel the urge it will cause you you'll feel the urge it will cause you you'll feel the urge to hyperventilate to hyperventilate to hyperventilate and I get it like you're activated every and I get it like you're activated every and I get it like you're activated every cell in your body is telling you get us cell in your body is telling you get us cell in your body is telling you get us out of here James you're gonna die it's out of here James you're gonna die it's out of here James you're gonna die it's too cold you know too cold you know too cold you know um and so it creates that fight or um and so it creates that fight or um and so it creates that fight or flight response which is something I flight response which is something I flight response which is something I want I want to put myself under that want I want to put myself under that want I want to put myself under that hormetic stress so that's the gasp hormetic stress so that's the gasp hormetic stress so that's the gasp reflex it reflex it reflex it um would create the it would prepare um would create the it would prepare um would create the it would prepare your body for action for the hunt for your body for action for the hunt for your body for action for the hunt for the fight you know increased heart rate the fight you know increased heart rate the fight you know increased heart rate increase respiration adrenaline if you increase respiration adrenaline if you increase respiration adrenaline if you need it so you can meet the fight or need it so you can meet the fight or need it so you can meet the fight or flight threat flight threat flight threat but if you go in face first but if you go in face first but if you go in face first it activates something different

17:00it activates something different it activates something different called the dive reflex called the dive reflex called the dive reflex remember that humans are aquatic they remember that humans are aquatic they remember that humans are aquatic they don't just Wade through with their don't just Wade through with their don't just Wade through with their Spears looking for you know something to Spears looking for you know something to Spears looking for you know something to catch there are human beings it's called catch there are human beings it's called catch there are human beings it's called free diving and it's very dangerous but free diving and it's very dangerous but free diving and it's very dangerous but there are human beings are adapted to there are human beings are adapted to there are human beings are adapted to diving down no scuba equipment and diving down no scuba equipment and diving down no scuba equipment and catching mollusks or fishing or whatever catching mollusks or fishing or whatever catching mollusks or fishing or whatever it is they do underwater humans are it is they do underwater humans are it is they do underwater humans are meant to dive meant to dive meant to dive and when we dive and when we dive and when we dive it's the opposite of gasp our heart rate it's the opposite of gasp our heart rate it's the opposite of gasp our heart rate goes down to conserve metabolism we're goes down to conserve metabolism we're goes down to conserve metabolism we're expecting to be cut off from oxygen from expecting to be cut off from oxygen from expecting to be cut off from oxygen from respiration for however long it takes to respiration for however long it takes to respiration for however long it takes to go get that conch or that whatever it is go get that conch or that whatever it is go get that conch or that whatever it is we're going to go get that Lobster and we're going to go get that Lobster and we're going to go get that Lobster and come back up come back up come back up and to do that we have to slow our and to do that we have to slow our and to do that we have to slow our respiration down to zero we have to slow respiration down to zero we have to slow respiration down to zero we have to slow our metabolism down so we don't produce our metabolism down so we don't produce our metabolism down so we don't produce too much carbon dioxide into our veins too much carbon dioxide into our veins too much carbon dioxide into our veins you can see this Justin Hoagland just

18:00you can see this Justin Hoagland just you can see this Justin Hoagland just posted a video on his Instagram posted a video on his Instagram posted a video on his Instagram um no joke 44. and he's got his um heart um no joke 44. and he's got his um heart um no joke 44. and he's got his um heart rate monitor on he's in his Forge he rate monitor on he's in his Forge he rate monitor on he's in his Forge he just got off his treadmill he pops into just got off his treadmill he pops into just got off his treadmill he pops into his forage about 120. his forage about 120. his forage about 120. he relaxes down to about 108. he relaxes down to about 108. he relaxes down to about 108. and then when he does a breath hold he and then when he does a breath hold he and then when he does a breath hold he goes down to 79 beats per minute goes down to 79 beats per minute goes down to 79 beats per minute and he stays there now Justin is a and he stays there now Justin is a and he stays there now Justin is a former Navy SEAL he's doing cold former Navy SEAL he's doing cold former Navy SEAL he's doing cold exposure because he was medically exposure because he was medically exposure because he was medically discharged from the military when he discharged from the military when he discharged from the military when he developed multiple sclerosis there's developed multiple sclerosis there's developed multiple sclerosis there's something like 17 FDA approved drugs for something like 17 FDA approved drugs for something like 17 FDA approved drugs for multiple sclerosis none of them work as multiple sclerosis none of them work as multiple sclerosis none of them work as well for managing the symptoms of MS as well for managing the symptoms of MS as well for managing the symptoms of MS as cold exposure does so we got two cold exposure does so we got two cold exposure does so we got two customers that are just doing it for Ms customers that are just doing it for Ms customers that are just doing it for Ms Justin's one of them but it also when he Justin's one of them but it also when he Justin's one of them but it also when he does his underwater breath hold it does his underwater breath hold it does his underwater breath hold it reminds him that he's alive that there's reminds him that he's alive that there's reminds him that he's alive that there's still some Superman in him I mean he's still some Superman in him I mean he's still some Superman in him I mean he's done his Navy freaking sealed training done his Navy freaking sealed training done his Navy freaking sealed training which is all underwater bomb demolition which is all underwater bomb demolition which is all underwater bomb demolition like like like it's all about the coal exposure and the

19:00it's all about the coal exposure and the it's all about the coal exposure and the swimming and the control breathing and swimming and the control breathing and swimming and the control breathing and his heart rate will go down so autonomic his heart rate will go down so autonomic his heart rate will go down so autonomic conflict is there's one aspect of your conflict is there's one aspect of your conflict is there's one aspect of your body the gasp reflex saying Crank It Up body the gasp reflex saying Crank It Up body the gasp reflex saying Crank It Up there's another aspect of your body the there's another aspect of your body the there's another aspect of your body the dive reflex that says take it down and dive reflex that says take it down and dive reflex that says take it down and Tipton hypothesizes that if you go face Tipton hypothesizes that if you go face Tipton hypothesizes that if you go face first you may create two problematic first you may create two problematic first you may create two problematic situations one is if you go face first situations one is if you go face first situations one is if you go face first and experience gasp you're going to suck and experience gasp you're going to suck and experience gasp you're going to suck in water and you could drown okay that's in water and you could drown okay that's in water and you could drown okay that's one and there are cases of people one and there are cases of people one and there are cases of people drowning in cold water I don't know why drowning in cold water I don't know why drowning in cold water I don't know why um you know I don't know if it was what um you know I don't know if it was what um you know I don't know if it was what Tipton is worried about or if it was Tipton is worried about or if it was Tipton is worried about or if it was something else uh but a misplaced dive something else uh but a misplaced dive something else uh but a misplaced dive reflex could lead to taking water into reflex could lead to taking water into reflex could lead to taking water into your lungs the other he says is if your lungs the other he says is if your lungs the other he says is if you're experiencing the gas reflex and you're experiencing the gas reflex and you're experiencing the gas reflex and you fail to breathe you fail to breathe you fail to breathe if you hold your breath either through if you hold your breath either through if you hold your breath either through anxiety for some other reason anxiety for some other reason anxiety for some other reason you could create this one thing is to

20:00you could create this one thing is to you could create this one thing is to take your heart up the other is saying take your heart up the other is saying take your heart up the other is saying take your heart down and in that take your heart down and in that take your heart down and in that conflict Tipton hypothesizes as far as I conflict Tipton hypothesizes as far as I conflict Tipton hypothesizes as far as I know it's never been documented but you know it's never been documented but you know it's never been documented but you could experience a heart irregularity could experience a heart irregularity could experience a heart irregularity that for some people could be very that for some people could be very that for some people could be very dangerous so tips has done this work on dangerous so tips has done this work on dangerous so tips has done this work on the dangers of ice baths I published all the dangers of ice baths I published all the dangers of ice baths I published all of this um in a summary format with our of this um in a summary format with our of this um in a summary format with our recommendations about how to stay safe recommendations about how to stay safe recommendations about how to stay safe in your Forge there are four of them in your Forge there are four of them in your Forge there are four of them um Ford's sober like it's a bath and I um Ford's sober like it's a bath and I um Ford's sober like it's a bath and I don't want you to go Jim Morrison on us don't want you to go Jim Morrison on us don't want you to go Jim Morrison on us or something you know like people die in or something you know like people die in or something you know like people die in bathtubs because they drown or because bathtubs because they drown or because bathtubs because they drown or because they're drunk or because they're high or they're drunk or because they're high or they're drunk or because they're high or what I don't want you to forge sober and what I don't want you to forge sober and what I don't want you to forge sober and that's got nothing to do with the cold that's got nothing to do with the cold that's got nothing to do with the cold it's got everything to do with I don't it's got everything to do with I don't it's got everything to do with I don't want you to drown want you to drown want you to drown um second one is supervised kids a cold um second one is supervised kids a cold um second one is supervised kids a cold exposure is great for kids they got a exposure is great for kids they got a exposure is great for kids they got a lot more Brown fat than you and I and lot more Brown fat than you and I and lot more Brown fat than you and I and it's fine it's fine it's fine um and kids should not be swimming um and kids should not be swimming um and kids should not be swimming unsupervised so uh those are the first

21:00unsupervised so uh those are the first unsupervised so uh those are the first two then um you go feet first never go two then um you go feet first never go two then um you go feet first never go face first just because you saw Mike face first just because you saw Mike face first just because you saw Mike muscle being a clown on Instagram muscle being a clown on Instagram muscle being a clown on Instagram doesn't mean he's recommending that you doesn't mean he's recommending that you doesn't mean he's recommending that you go feet first because then you will get go feet first because then you will get go feet first because then you will get the gasp reflex and give yourself time the gasp reflex and give yourself time the gasp reflex and give yourself time to get control of your breathing and to get control of your breathing and to get control of your breathing and calm yourself down but I love submerging calm yourself down but I love submerging calm yourself down but I love submerging and I love doing a breath hold the face and I love doing a breath hold the face and I love doing a breath hold the face down is different than the face up I'm down is different than the face up I'm down is different than the face up I'm nowhere near as anxious when I'm face up nowhere near as anxious when I'm face up nowhere near as anxious when I'm face up because I know it's right there you know because I know it's right there you know because I know it's right there you know but face down to something different but face down to something different but face down to something different psychologically that's the dive psychologically that's the dive psychologically that's the dive um and the fourth one um and the fourth one um and the fourth one breathe breathe is not just like breathe breathe is not just like breathe breathe is not just like a mental note it's not just part of a a mental note it's not just part of a a mental note it's not just part of a good practice it is a safety tip it is good practice it is a safety tip it is good practice it is a safety tip it is good for your heart it is good for your good for your heart it is good for your good for your heart it is good for your body it is how you should be body it is how you should be body it is how you should be experiencing the cold to keep yourself experiencing the cold to keep yourself experiencing the cold to keep yourself out of the danger zone so all of that is out of the danger zone so all of that is out of the danger zone so all of that is on our website or you can Google you

22:00on our website or you can Google you on our website or you can Google you know ice bath dangers ice bath safety know ice bath dangers ice bath safety know ice bath dangers ice bath safety and um our article will will come up and um our article will will come up and um our article will will come up Google doesn't like us very much but on Google doesn't like us very much but on Google doesn't like us very much but on that topic our article uh will come up that topic our article uh will come up that topic our article uh will come up and I'm glad I get to share it and I'm glad I get to share it and I'm glad I get to share it someday I'll meet Tipton and I'll say someday I'll meet Tipton and I'll say someday I'll meet Tipton and I'll say you know about this autonomic conflict you know about this autonomic conflict you know about this autonomic conflict have you ever experienced that in the have you ever experienced that in the have you ever experienced that in the lab have you ever seen it have you ever lab have you ever seen it have you ever lab have you ever seen it have you ever you know what should we watch out for you know what should we watch out for you know what should we watch out for um um so next time I'm over in the UK I'll so next time I'm over in the UK I'll so next time I'm over in the UK I'll send them a note and I'll say Hey you send them a note and I'll say Hey you send them a note and I'll say Hey you know scientists to scientist uh can I know scientists to scientist uh can I know scientists to scientist uh can I buy you a beer we'll see if he's up for buy you a beer we'll see if he's up for buy you a beer we'll see if he's up for it so that's only if you're going face so that's only if you're going face first that you have to worry about it I first that you have to worry about it I first that you have to worry about it I never go face first I don't go fast no never go face first I don't go fast no never go face first I don't go fast no if I'm you know Coronado Island where uh if I'm you know Coronado Island where uh if I'm you know Coronado Island where uh the seals train the seals train the seals train of course I'm diving into the Pacific of course I'm diving into the Pacific of course I'm diving into the Pacific Ocean face first it's only 60 degrees Ocean face first it's only 60 degrees Ocean face first it's only 60 degrees right of course I'm body surfing and I'm right of course I'm body surfing and I'm right of course I'm body surfing and I'm doing everything for me that is fun doing everything for me that is fun doing everything for me that is fun um what I'm really talking about is how um what I'm really talking about is how um what I'm really talking about is how cold acclimated are you don't go into a

23:00cold acclimated are you don't go into a cold acclimated are you don't go into a temperature that is going to give you temperature that is going to give you temperature that is going to give you that stress response face first now for that stress response face first now for that stress response face first now for me 60 me 60 me 60 S Pleasant and I'm gonna body surf all S Pleasant and I'm gonna body surf all S Pleasant and I'm gonna body surf all day day day um but if you're just starting out or if um but if you're just starting out or if um but if you're just starting out or if you're going to be cautious you go feet you're going to be cautious you go feet you're going to be cautious you go feet first every time when you're ready to first every time when you're ready to first every time when you're ready to challenge yourself and you say well I'm challenge yourself and you say well I'm challenge yourself and you say well I'm gonna go in all the way you blow some gonna go in all the way you blow some gonna go in all the way you blow some bubbles you don't have to hold your bubbles you don't have to hold your bubbles you don't have to hold your breath just because you're doing an breath just because you're doing an breath just because you're doing an underwater dunk low bubbles just like my underwater dunk low bubbles just like my underwater dunk low bubbles just like my mother taught me you know when I was mother taught me you know when I was mother taught me you know when I was three years old and she brought me to three years old and she brought me to three years old and she brought me to beach to teach me how to swim she beach to teach me how to swim she beach to teach me how to swim she started out blowing bubbles same way started out blowing bubbles same way started out blowing bubbles same way that my kids learned in the pool that my kids learned in the pool that my kids learned in the pool um you don't have to hold your breath um you don't have to hold your breath um you don't have to hold your breath for you James for Justin for Mike mutzel for you James for Justin for Mike mutzel for you James for Justin for Mike mutzel you know for me when I'm screwing around you know for me when I'm screwing around you know for me when I'm screwing around I can understand why people who really I can understand why people who really I can understand why people who really want to push their Edge want to do a want to push their Edge want to do a want to push their Edge want to do a breath hold under the water and I'm breath hold under the water and I'm breath hold under the water and I'm still saying still saying still saying go in feet first you'll get there you

24:00go in feet first you'll get there you go in feet first you'll get there you know calm yourself down give it a minute know calm yourself down give it a minute know calm yourself down give it a minute then do your breath hold thing because then do your breath hold thing because then do your breath hold thing because you're at that advanced level and Scott you're at that advanced level and Scott you're at that advanced level and Scott Carney hates it when I say this Carney hates it when I say this Carney hates it when I say this he's like don't be going on the internet he's like don't be going on the internet he's like don't be going on the internet and telling people how to do that stuff and telling people how to do that stuff and telling people how to do that stuff um um so I now I go I don't want to make Scott so I now I go I don't want to make Scott so I now I go I don't want to make Scott mad at me I go on the internet and I mad at me I go on the internet and I mad at me I go on the internet and I tell people don't do underwater breath tell people don't do underwater breath tell people don't do underwater breath hold hold hold just make sure he doesn't hear this one just make sure he doesn't hear this one just make sure he doesn't hear this one right right right I'm not sure he's following that closely I'm not sure he's following that closely I'm not sure he's following that closely I uh I got intrigued by the breath hole I uh I got intrigued by the breath hole I uh I got intrigued by the breath hole just because I was reading about the just because I was reading about the just because I was reading about the booteko method and I was actually booteko method and I was actually booteko method and I was actually reading how uh I don't know if you're reading how uh I don't know if you're reading how uh I don't know if you're familiar with that no but tell me familiar with that no but tell me familiar with that no but tell me so so so supposedly depending on how long you can supposedly depending on how long you can supposedly depending on how long you can hold your breath no disease can exist so hold your breath no disease can exist so hold your breath no disease can exist so if you reach like a certain point I if you reach like a certain point I if you reach like a certain point I believe it's like a 45 second they call believe it's like a 45 second they call believe it's like a 45 second they call it controlled pause it controlled pause it controlled pause um then you're like as healthy as can be um then you're like as healthy as can be um then you're like as healthy as can be but like if you're at 60 like you're

25:00but like if you're at 60 like you're but like if you're at 60 like you're damn near Invincible damn near Invincible damn near Invincible um and then um and then um and then people that are sicker they can't hold people that are sicker they can't hold people that are sicker they can't hold their breath as long so they'll be at their breath as long so they'll be at their breath as long so they'll be at like a five or seven people that are in like a five or seven people that are in like a five or seven people that are in the hospital that they're the hospital that they're the hospital that they're hyperventilating hyperventilating hyperventilating um um so I wanted to see how long that I could so I wanted to see how long that I could so I wanted to see how long that I could hold my breath and one of the criteria hold my breath and one of the criteria hold my breath and one of the criteria for increasing your controlled pause was for increasing your controlled pause was for increasing your controlled pause was obviously there's diet uh there's things obviously there's diet uh there's things obviously there's diet uh there's things like environmental your carpet like environmental your carpet like environmental your carpet you should be sleeping on a hard surface you should be sleeping on a hard surface you should be sleeping on a hard surface and then the major one was cold exposure and then the major one was cold exposure and then the major one was cold exposure you should be exposing yourself to cold you should be exposing yourself to cold you should be exposing yourself to cold every single day so let me just put two every single day so let me just put two every single day so let me just put two and two together and maybe I'll get and two together and maybe I'll get and two together and maybe I'll get there faster so there faster so there faster so uh that's why I said so how are you uh that's why I said so how are you uh that's why I said so how are you doing like what are your times like doing like what are your times like doing like what are your times like I could probably get up to I could probably get up to I could probably get up to under the water like under the water like under the water like I think it was around like 50 seconds it I think it was around like 50 seconds it I think it was around like 50 seconds it might have been really good yeah it's might have been really good yeah it's might have been really good yeah it's more of a mental thing for me more of a mental thing for me more of a mental thing for me I I think it's

26:00I I think it's I I think it's um um once you reach a certain level of once you reach a certain level of once you reach a certain level of cardiovascular and metabolic health I cardiovascular and metabolic health I cardiovascular and metabolic health I think it's mental because there's a think it's mental because there's a think it's mental because there's a panic response it's the CO2 buildup in panic response it's the CO2 buildup in panic response it's the CO2 buildup in your veins it sends a signal to your your veins it sends a signal to your your veins it sends a signal to your brain that says you're suffocating brain that says you're suffocating brain that says you're suffocating you're going to die you need to Exhale you're going to die you need to Exhale you're going to die you need to Exhale and I can extend my my time without and I can extend my my time without and I can extend my my time without breathing or without inhaling if I breathing or without inhaling if I breathing or without inhaling if I exhale which is kind of part of what exhale which is kind of part of what exhale which is kind of part of what um Vim has toyed around with but but I'm um Vim has toyed around with but but I'm um Vim has toyed around with but but I'm going to push back for a second on the going to push back for a second on the going to push back for a second on the breath hold means you're practically breath hold means you're practically breath hold means you're practically Invincible Invincible Invincible um and Justin is the case study because um and Justin is the case study because um and Justin is the case study because it's mental again it's mental again it's mental again um um you got to imagine Justin goes to Iraq you got to imagine Justin goes to Iraq you got to imagine Justin goes to Iraq and he's a Navy SEAL which means he's at and he's a Navy SEAL which means he's at and he's a Navy SEAL which means he's at the Leading Edge the Leading Edge the Leading Edge and he was riding in an oh God it was an and he was riding in an oh God it was an and he was riding in an oh God it was an open vehicle I can't remember what open vehicle I can't remember what open vehicle I can't remember what vehicle it was but sure enough

27:00vehicle it was but sure enough vehicle it was but sure enough improvised explosive device explosion improvised explosive device explosion improvised explosive device explosion goes through goes through goes through um not the back of the vehicle but the um not the back of the vehicle but the um not the back of the vehicle but the concussion wave went through the back of concussion wave went through the back of concussion wave went through the back of the vehicle the vehicle the vehicle the thing about the or I guess called a the thing about the or I guess called a the thing about the or I guess called a percussion wave the thing about the percussion wave the thing about the percussion wave the thing about the percussion wave when it hits the brain percussion wave when it hits the brain percussion wave when it hits the brain is it progresses from one side of the is it progresses from one side of the is it progresses from one side of the brain to the other unlike a concussion brain to the other unlike a concussion brain to the other unlike a concussion in football or boxing or something where in football or boxing or something where in football or boxing or something where you have a blow that's localized the you have a blow that's localized the you have a blow that's localized the percussion wave from a blast will go percussion wave from a blast will go percussion wave from a blast will go through the entire brain rip it apart through the entire brain rip it apart through the entire brain rip it apart it is possible to be able to hold your it is possible to be able to hold your it is possible to be able to hold your breath for two minutes and 20 seconds I breath for two minutes and 20 seconds I breath for two minutes and 20 seconds I have seen Justin do it have seen Justin do it have seen Justin do it and still not be healthy because you and still not be healthy because you and still not be healthy because you have traumatic brain injury not no the have traumatic brain injury not no the have traumatic brain injury not no the brain is the metamatically most brain is the metamatically most brain is the metamatically most demanding organ in the body but when the demanding organ in the body but when the demanding organ in the body but when the structure of his brain was torn apart by structure of his brain was torn apart by structure of his brain was torn apart by these blast waves these blast waves these blast waves um you can imagine the discordance

28:00um you can imagine the discordance um you can imagine the discordance between like he's in great shape but he between like he's in great shape but he between like he's in great shape but he was in a wheelchair like nine months was in a wheelchair like nine months was in a wheelchair like nine months later with symptoms with this diagnosis later with symptoms with this diagnosis later with symptoms with this diagnosis the symptomology of Ms because his brain the symptomology of Ms because his brain the symptomology of Ms because his brain was no longer able to get his body was no longer able to get his body was no longer able to get his body to do what his brain what he wanted to to do what his brain what he wanted to to do what his brain what he wanted to do this was a demoralizing do this was a demoralizing do this was a demoralizing um talk about mental health uh way to go um talk about mental health uh way to go um talk about mental health uh way to go for Justin because he was such a high for Justin because he was such a high for Justin because he was such a high level athlete level athlete level athlete and he discovered cold exposure and now and he discovered cold exposure and now and he discovered cold exposure and now you know he's on the treadmill now he's you know he's on the treadmill now he's you know he's on the treadmill now he's doing the obstacle courses he's still doing the obstacle courses he's still doing the obstacle courses he's still got Ms and when you see him run you're got Ms and when you see him run you're got Ms and when you see him run you're like there's something a little funky like there's something a little funky like there's something a little funky about him because he had to undergo about him because he had to undergo about him because he had to undergo physical therapy to relearn how to use physical therapy to relearn how to use physical therapy to relearn how to use his body it is the cold exposure that um his body it is the cold exposure that um his body it is the cold exposure that um got him to the point where he could got him to the point where he could got him to the point where he could exercise again exercise again exercise again where he could manage the symptoms of MS where he could manage the symptoms of MS where he could manage the symptoms of MS and unfortunately the the Ms and the

29:00and unfortunately the the Ms and the and unfortunately the the Ms and the Brain Injury coexisted so it wasn't just Brain Injury coexisted so it wasn't just Brain Injury coexisted so it wasn't just one thing that he was having to deal one thing that he was having to deal one thing that he was having to deal with so why am I bringing all this up with so why am I bringing all this up with so why am I bringing all this up because uh first of all I want to go because uh first of all I want to go because uh first of all I want to go hold my breath like see you know where hold my breath like see you know where hold my breath like see you know where am I am I am I um I guess I'm not competitive or um I guess I'm not competitive or um I guess I'm not competitive or anything but no I want to know how long anything but no I want to know how long anything but no I want to know how long can I go um but the second thing is I've can I go um but the second thing is I've can I go um but the second thing is I've been really into the brain brain injury been really into the brain brain injury been really into the brain brain injury trauma what's going on up in here and I trauma what's going on up in here and I trauma what's going on up in here and I think it's like the most important think it's like the most important think it's like the most important healing mechanism that we have is healing mechanism that we have is healing mechanism that we have is emanating from our thoughts and our emanating from our thoughts and our emanating from our thoughts and our imagination maybe it's because I've been imagination maybe it's because I've been imagination maybe it's because I've been reading too much Joe dispenza uh maybe reading too much Joe dispenza uh maybe reading too much Joe dispenza uh maybe I've been reading too much Bruce Lipton I've been reading too much Bruce Lipton I've been reading too much Bruce Lipton but I don't think so I think those are but I don't think so I think those are but I don't think so I think those are pretty clever guys and when they tell me pretty clever guys and when they tell me pretty clever guys and when they tell me that the cells of your body have no that the cells of your body have no that the cells of your body have no choice but to respond to their choice but to respond to their choice but to respond to their environment and one of the most environment and one of the most environment and one of the most important things about the environment important things about the environment important things about the environment are the electrical impulses that they're are the electrical impulses that they're are the electrical impulses that they're getting from your nervous system I'm getting from your nervous system I'm getting from your nervous system I'm like okay I want to play around with

30:00like okay I want to play around with like okay I want to play around with that that that so you say yes breath and um with you so you say yes breath and um with you so you say yes breath and um with you and then you're saying also it's mental and then you're saying also it's mental and then you're saying also it's mental and I'm like now you're talking and I'm like now you're talking and I'm like now you're talking the the breath hold but I'll send you the the breath hold but I'll send you the the breath hold but I'll send you the the book I'll text you the name yeah the the book I'll text you the name yeah the the book I'll text you the name yeah I'd like to reading into I think you'll I'd like to reading into I think you'll I'd like to reading into I think you'll really enjoy that one uh but for the really enjoy that one uh but for the really enjoy that one uh but for the controlled pause you don't need to be in controlled pause you don't need to be in controlled pause you don't need to be in the cold tub to do that it's more like the cold tub to do that it's more like the cold tub to do that it's more like when you first wake up that's when you when you first wake up that's when you when you first wake up that's when you would measure that's more of a better would measure that's more of a better would measure that's more of a better indicator of where you're actually at indicator of where you're actually at indicator of where you're actually at than just trying to be like and trying to hold your breath and and trying to hold your breath and deprive yourself of oxygen and the gold deprive yourself of oxygen and the gold deprive yourself of oxygen and the gold plunge all right I'm going to give it my plunge all right I'm going to give it my plunge all right I'm going to give it my a shot then tomorrow morning I'll wake a shot then tomorrow morning I'll wake a shot then tomorrow morning I'll wake up I got my wrist watch by my bedside up I got my wrist watch by my bedside up I got my wrist watch by my bedside table I'll say okay Tom this is it we'll table I'll say okay Tom this is it we'll table I'll say okay Tom this is it we'll see you might surprise yourself see you might surprise yourself see you might surprise yourself it might be pretty long okay we've been it might be pretty long okay we've been it might be pretty long okay we've been doing the cold exposure for a long time doing the cold exposure for a long time doing the cold exposure for a long time I'm gonna try not to judge I'm gonna try not to judge I'm gonna try not to judge no one's here to judge there you go but no one's here to judge there you go but no one's here to judge there you go but it's uh the cold exposures really a

31:00it's uh the cold exposures really a it's uh the cold exposures really a mental thing for me at this point I mental thing for me at this point I mental thing for me at this point I think I started like three years ago and think I started like three years ago and think I started like three years ago and I I went to a Wim Hof I I went to a Wim Hof I I went to a Wim Hof um just trained it wasn't I didn't see um just trained it wasn't I didn't see um just trained it wasn't I didn't see him specifically but they were doing a him specifically but they were doing a him specifically but they were doing a training there and I think a lot of the training there and I think a lot of the training there and I think a lot of the magic actually happens in the breath magic actually happens in the breath magic actually happens in the breath holds I know you're hyperventilating holds I know you're hyperventilating holds I know you're hyperventilating prior and um and believe why they did prior and um and believe why they did prior and um and believe why they did that was just before you get in you're that was just before you get in you're that was just before you get in you're going to experience that going to experience that going to experience that hyperventilation you're going to get hyperventilation you're going to get hyperventilation you're going to get that gasp and if you can control your that gasp and if you can control your that gasp and if you can control your breathing you're gonna be fine so you breathing you're gonna be fine so you breathing you're gonna be fine so you got it interesting on exhaling a little got it interesting on exhaling a little got it interesting on exhaling a little bit longer and telling yourself that bit longer and telling yourself that bit longer and telling yourself that you're cool you're good but what's funny you're cool you're good but what's funny you're cool you're good but what's funny is is is like you said if I take a cold shower I like you said if I take a cold shower I like you said if I take a cold shower I still hate it me too it's not the same still hate it me too it's not the same still hate it me too it's not the same as the cold tub because if I go on the as the cold tub because if I go on the as the cold tub because if I go on the forge there'll be days where I look at forge there'll be days where I look at forge there'll be days where I look at it I'll pass by and I'm like I grab my it I'll pass by and I'm like I grab my it I'll pass by and I'm like I grab my teeth I'm like teeth I'm like teeth I'm like I don't want to get in but it's like I I don't want to get in but it's like I I don't want to get in but it's like I know I need to do this and it's going to know I need to do this and it's going to know I need to do this and it's going to be uncomfortable it's not something that

32:00be uncomfortable it's not something that be uncomfortable it's not something that I want to do this very moment but it's I want to do this very moment but it's I want to do this very moment but it's like the way that you do one thing is like the way that you do one thing is like the way that you do one thing is the way that you do everything so if the way that you do everything so if the way that you do everything so if you're gonna like I'm gonna say [ __ ] you're gonna like I'm gonna say [ __ ] you're gonna like I'm gonna say [ __ ] out just something that's like two to out just something that's like two to out just something that's like two to potentially four minutes of potentially four minutes of potentially four minutes of uncomfortableness like what does that uncomfortableness like what does that uncomfortableness like what does that really say about other areas of real really say about other areas of real really say about other areas of real life so it's it's a huge mental life so it's it's a huge mental life so it's it's a huge mental challenge for me but despite challenge for me but despite challenge for me but despite the the the I guess I guess I guess mental fortitude that comes from it what mental fortitude that comes from it what mental fortitude that comes from it what other benefits have you seen from other benefits have you seen from other benefits have you seen from cold exposure cold thermogenesis well I cold exposure cold thermogenesis well I cold exposure cold thermogenesis well I uh mentioned this briefly we're going to uh mentioned this briefly we're going to uh mentioned this briefly we're going to come back to it um come back to it um come back to it um my testosterone went through the roof my testosterone went through the roof my testosterone went through the roof and I I was I wasn't even looking for a and I I was I wasn't even looking for a and I I was I wasn't even looking for a testosterone I didn't know anything testosterone I didn't know anything testosterone I didn't know anything about testosterone I had this prostate about testosterone I had this prostate about testosterone I had this prostate scare scare scare um um and I'm like okay I'm gonna use keto I'm and I'm like okay I'm gonna use keto I'm and I'm like okay I'm gonna use keto I'm going to use cold exposure and then I'm going to use cold exposure and then I'm going to use cold exposure and then I'm going to go back and get my PSA checked going to go back and get my PSA checked going to go back and get my PSA checked but in Arizona you're allowed to order but in Arizona you're allowed to order but in Arizona you're allowed to order your own Labs at least for a lot of your own Labs at least for a lot of your own Labs at least for a lot of things and so I wasn't going through a

33:00things and so I wasn't going through a things and so I wasn't going through a doctor because I was scared to but you doctor because I was scared to but you doctor because I was scared to but you know the doctor is going to say I'm not know the doctor is going to say I'm not know the doctor is going to say I'm not going to let you out of this office going to let you out of this office going to let you out of this office until we do a prostate exam you know and until we do a prostate exam you know and until we do a prostate exam you know and I didn't want to start that Cascade of I didn't want to start that Cascade of I didn't want to start that Cascade of allopathic medicine that is sometimes allopathic medicine that is sometimes allopathic medicine that is sometimes it's its own train and the next thing it's its own train and the next thing it's its own train and the next thing you have to have five more tests so they you have to have five more tests so they you have to have five more tests so they can over diagnose you for six other can over diagnose you for six other can over diagnose you for six other things so I'm like I'm gonna get my own things so I'm like I'm gonna get my own things so I'm like I'm gonna get my own blood test I'm doing my keto I'm doing blood test I'm doing my keto I'm doing blood test I'm doing my keto I'm doing my Forge my Forge my Forge how do I look how do I look how do I look well I just checked all the freaking well I just checked all the freaking well I just checked all the freaking boxes they're like Men's Health you know boxes they're like Men's Health you know boxes they're like Men's Health you know I'm like I want that I'm a man I'm going I'm like I want that I'm a man I'm going I'm like I want that I'm a man I'm going to be healthy so whatever they charge me to be healthy so whatever they charge me to be healthy so whatever they charge me they draw out four bottles of blood and they draw out four bottles of blood and they draw out four bottles of blood and I get a report back and I'm looking for I get a report back and I'm looking for I get a report back and I'm looking for that PSA and sure enough it's going down that PSA and sure enough it's going down that PSA and sure enough it's going down so I'm like great I'm gonna keep doing so I'm like great I'm gonna keep doing so I'm like great I'm gonna keep doing this I'm gonna head back again three this I'm gonna head back again three this I'm gonna head back again three more months and sure enough it's going more months and sure enough it's going more months and sure enough it's going down I've driven it all the way down to down I've driven it all the way down to down I've driven it all the way down to 0.8 which is below what they say the 0.8 which is below what they say the 0.8 which is below what they say the normal range is for a man in his 50s but normal range is for a man in his 50s but normal range is for a man in his 50s but the report came back and it had a big

34:00the report came back and it had a big the report came back and it had a big red exclamation mark on it red exclamation mark on it red exclamation mark on it next to testosterone and the red next to testosterone and the red next to testosterone and the red exclamation mark is out of range mine exclamation mark is out of range mine exclamation mark is out of range mine was 1180 and the top of their range was was 1180 and the top of their range was was 1180 and the top of their range was 11.40. so I had to go look that up and 11.40. so I had to go look that up and 11.40. so I had to go look that up and say well what's going up you know turns say well what's going up you know turns say well what's going up you know turns out I got like the testosterone now of out I got like the testosterone now of out I got like the testosterone now of an over sex 19 year old an over sex 19 year old an over sex 19 year old and confidence in my PSA and confidence in my PSA and confidence in my PSA so I'm gonna go see a urologist and this so I'm gonna go see a urologist and this so I'm gonna go see a urologist and this guy's about my age and I bring my report guy's about my age and I bring my report guy's about my age and I bring my report and I'm like so you know this is what and I'm like so you know this is what and I'm like so you know this is what I've been doing and you know this is I've been doing and you know this is I've been doing and you know this is very important I think I'm good now very important I think I'm good now very important I think I'm good now right right um he goes I don't see any problem but um he goes I don't see any problem but um he goes I don't see any problem but what's this what's this what's this I got all those my testosterone levels I got all those my testosterone levels I got all those my testosterone levels and I I think they're great right he and I I think they're great right he and I I think they're great right he goes let me just check one more thing goes let me just check one more thing goes let me just check one more thing um I I don't know that because I'm I'm um I I don't know that because I'm I'm um I I don't know that because I'm I'm kind of reading his mind a little bit kind of reading his mind a little bit kind of reading his mind a little bit there's a bodybuilding culture in

35:00there's a bodybuilding culture in there's a bodybuilding culture in Scottsdale This Guy's in Scottsdale a Scottsdale This Guy's in Scottsdale a Scottsdale This Guy's in Scottsdale a lot of guys are taking supplementary lot of guys are taking supplementary lot of guys are taking supplementary exogenous testosterone he wanted to know exogenous testosterone he wanted to know exogenous testosterone he wanted to know this is a test I cannot order myself this is a test I cannot order myself this is a test I cannot order myself luteinizing hormone luteinizing hormone luteinizing hormone am I juicing or am I producing so he am I juicing or am I producing so he am I juicing or am I producing so he goes just go back you know they're gonna goes just go back you know they're gonna goes just go back you know they're gonna draw a little bit more blood we're gonna draw a little bit more blood we're gonna draw a little bit more blood we're gonna get this one more thing checked out get this one more thing checked out get this one more thing checked out luteinizing hormone comes back luteinizing hormone comes back luteinizing hormone comes back through the roof big red exclamation through the roof big red exclamation through the roof big red exclamation mark mark mark because luteinizing hormone is a because luteinizing hormone is a because luteinizing hormone is a metabolic precursor metabolic precursor metabolic precursor if luteinizing hormone is low and if luteinizing hormone is low and if luteinizing hormone is low and testosterone is high my urologists would testosterone is high my urologists would testosterone is high my urologists would have said Tom what's going on what are have said Tom what's going on what are have said Tom what's going on what are you taking you taking you taking um but because both are high he's like um but because both are high he's like um but because both are high he's like aren't you blessed well aren't you blessed well aren't you blessed well now I have to really figure this out now I have to really figure this out now I have to really figure this out like I'm going to like I'm going to like I'm going to um the library and I'm looking for any um the library and I'm looking for any um the library and I'm looking for any evidence and sure enough there's this evidence and sure enough there's this evidence and sure enough there's this study in Japan I just pulled it up so I study in Japan I just pulled it up so I study in Japan I just pulled it up so I could tell you what it was all about could tell you what it was all about could tell you what it was all about they call it physical they're sorry

36:00they call it physical they're sorry they call it physical they're sorry effects of physical exercise and cold effects of physical exercise and cold effects of physical exercise and cold stimulation on serum testosterone in men stimulation on serum testosterone in men stimulation on serum testosterone in men they took a bunch of college-age men and they took a bunch of college-age men and they took a bunch of college-age men and they did two things first was some cold they did two things first was some cold they did two things first was some cold exposure exposure exposure then sorry first was exercise bike then then sorry first was exercise bike then then sorry first was exercise bike then coal exposure for Recovery measure coal exposure for Recovery measure coal exposure for Recovery measure testosterone before and after testosterone before and after testosterone before and after when you do the exercise and then you do when you do the exercise and then you do when you do the exercise and then you do the cold exposure testosterone the cold exposure testosterone the cold exposure testosterone luteinizing hormone go down luteinizing hormone go down luteinizing hormone go down now I don't know what the Japanese guys now I don't know what the Japanese guys now I don't know what the Japanese guys were thinking they're like let's just were thinking they're like let's just were thinking they're like let's just switch it up let's do the coal exposure switch it up let's do the coal exposure switch it up let's do the coal exposure first then we'll do the exercise we'll first then we'll do the exercise we'll first then we'll do the exercise we'll see if we get the same effect see if we get the same effect see if we get the same effect opposite effect testosterone went opposite effect testosterone went opposite effect testosterone went through the roof luteinizing hormone through the roof luteinizing hormone through the roof luteinizing hormone went through the roof and I'm going with went through the roof and I'm going with went through the roof and I'm going with that but that's what I've been doing that but that's what I've been doing that but that's what I've been doing like I get in my Forge and I'm not a like I get in my Forge and I'm not a like I get in my Forge and I'm not a workout guy I'm not I'm not a runner for workout guy I'm not I'm not a runner for workout guy I'm not I'm not a runner for heaven's sakes I wasn't doing it for heaven's sakes I wasn't doing it for heaven's sakes I wasn't doing it for muscle soreness or exercise recovery I muscle soreness or exercise recovery I muscle soreness or exercise recovery I was doing it because I was scared out of

37:00was doing it because I was scared out of was doing it because I was scared out of my ass about the prostate specific my ass about the prostate specific my ass about the prostate specific antigen antigen antigen and then I'd come out and I'd be cold so and then I'd come out and I'd be cold so and then I'd come out and I'd be cold so I gotta warm up so I got to do my I gotta warm up so I got to do my I gotta warm up so I got to do my jumping jacks you know Jason and I took jumping jacks you know Jason and I took jumping jacks you know Jason and I took this steel mace flow class from Leo this steel mace flow class from Leo this steel mace flow class from Leo Savage because you know we're kind of Savage because you know we're kind of Savage because you know we're kind of crazy so I pick up my steel mace and I'm crazy so I pick up my steel mace and I'm crazy so I pick up my steel mace and I'm doing my 360s and stuff and I get some doing my 360s and stuff and I get some doing my 360s and stuff and I get some push-ups because I'm trying to warm up push-ups because I'm trying to warm up push-ups because I'm trying to warm up not a lot of exercise in the Japanese not a lot of exercise in the Japanese not a lot of exercise in the Japanese study they didn't do a lot of cold study they didn't do a lot of cold study they didn't do a lot of cold exposure and they only did 20 minutes on exposure and they only did 20 minutes on exposure and they only did 20 minutes on a exercise bike and so I'm doing more a exercise bike and so I'm doing more a exercise bike and so I'm doing more cold and I'm doing a little bit heavier cold and I'm doing a little bit heavier cold and I'm doing a little bit heavier load but not the whole duration and I'm load but not the whole duration and I'm load but not the whole duration and I'm like well damn I think that's it like well damn I think that's it like well damn I think that's it hey Jason once you get your testosterone hey Jason once you get your testosterone hey Jason once you get your testosterone checked you know so he does his checked you know so he does his checked you know so he does his birthday's in the fall every fall he birthday's in the fall every fall he birthday's in the fall every fall he gets his checked he was like mid 500s I gets his checked he was like mid 500s I gets his checked he was like mid 500s I don't know it's in the article two years don't know it's in the article two years don't know it's in the article two years later on this program of exercising later on this program of exercising later on this program of exercising after the ice

38:00after the ice after the ice he's at 990. now he's like 43 I don't he's at 990. now he's like 43 I don't he's at 990. now he's like 43 I don't have a biological age but his have a biological age but his have a biological age but his chronicological age he's going to turn chronicological age he's going to turn chronicological age he's going to turn 43 this fall if I'm remembering that 43 this fall if I'm remembering that 43 this fall if I'm remembering that correctly correctly correctly that I don't give a crap 11 40 990 at that I don't give a crap 11 40 990 at that I don't give a crap 11 40 990 at any age that is a healthy man and there any age that is a healthy man and there any age that is a healthy man and there are a lot of guys I've spoken with that are a lot of guys I've spoken with that are a lot of guys I've spoken with that have read the article and that always have read the article and that always have read the article and that always want to say where they are what they're want to say where they are what they're want to say where they are what they're working on but they'll say working on but they'll say working on but they'll say um would you tell me how you did that um would you tell me how you did that um would you tell me how you did that will you tell me like what are the will you tell me like what are the will you tell me like what are the exercises that I should do what could exercises that I should do what could exercises that I should do what could you direct me to the stuff what kind of you direct me to the stuff what kind of you direct me to the stuff what kind of uh how long should it take and the uh how long should it take and the uh how long should it take and the answer is I don't know I have a Japanese answer is I don't know I have a Japanese answer is I don't know I have a Japanese study from 1991 and I have two guys me study from 1991 and I have two guys me study from 1991 and I have two guys me and Jason who are now riding these and Jason who are now riding these and Jason who are now riding these really super healthy testosterone levels really super healthy testosterone levels really super healthy testosterone levels um I want I could use more people I um I want I could use more people I um I want I could use more people I could like if we could get up to n could like if we could get up to n could like if we could get up to n equals three or four if you would go get equals three or four if you would go get equals three or four if you would go get your testosterone check start exercising your testosterone check start exercising your testosterone check start exercising after your ice bath and come back to me after your ice bath and come back to me after your ice bath and come back to me in six months you know maybe I could get in six months you know maybe I could get in six months you know maybe I could get some more robust data we could publish a

39:00some more robust data we could publish a some more robust data we could publish a protocol and we can tell other men this protocol and we can tell other men this protocol and we can tell other men this is what you can expect now at your age is what you can expect now at your age is what you can expect now at your age it's probably not a big deal it's probably not a big deal it's probably not a big deal um you get up to my age and there are a um you get up to my age and there are a um you get up to my age and there are a lot of guy guys who lot of guy guys who lot of guy guys who um I'm gonna say this needlessly um I'm gonna say this needlessly um I'm gonna say this needlessly suffering they'll go see their doctor suffering they'll go see their doctor suffering they'll go see their doctor maybe they'll be in the 400s and the maybe they'll be in the 400s and the maybe they'll be in the 400s and the doctor's like well doctor's like well doctor's like well bad bad bad but their body composition isn't right but their body composition isn't right but their body composition isn't right their mood isn't right their libido their mood isn't right their libido their mood isn't right their libido isn't right and they shouldn't have to isn't right and they shouldn't have to isn't right and they shouldn't have to settle for something that their doctor settle for something that their doctor settle for something that their doctor says well not too bad says well not too bad says well not too bad I'd rather get them up to um more I'd rather get them up to um more I'd rather get them up to um more Optimum Health well I definitely know you have a third well I definitely know you have a third as we spoke on the phone before my my as we spoke on the phone before my my as we spoke on the phone before my my client has actually seen some benefits client has actually seen some benefits client has actually seen some benefits as well he went up 50 plus points and as well he went up 50 plus points and as well he went up 50 plus points and he's gonna actually have his he's gonna actually have his he's gonna actually have his um tested I believe within the next two um tested I believe within the next two um tested I believe within the next two weeks or so so weeks or so so weeks or so so I'll have another little update for you I'll have another little update for you I'll have another little update for you there he was interested in checking out there he was interested in checking out there he was interested in checking out I personally have not got mine yet

40:00I personally have not got mine yet I personally have not got mine yet something I'm afraid of needles I don't something I'm afraid of needles I don't something I'm afraid of needles I don't blame you James I hated it but I can blame you James I hated it but I can blame you James I hated it but I can only imagine but I I absolutely hate only imagine but I I absolutely hate only imagine but I I absolutely hate needles I hate needles I used to I was needles I hate needles I used to I was needles I hate needles I used to I was in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit with my six-year-old son and uh his with my six-year-old son and uh his with my six-year-old son and uh his doctor is our neighbor and um he said doctor is our neighbor and um he said doctor is our neighbor and um he said your son was hours away from a diabetic your son was hours away from a diabetic your son was hours away from a diabetic coma because he was undiagnosed diabetic coma because he was undiagnosed diabetic coma because he was undiagnosed diabetic he handed me an orange he handed me a he handed me an orange he handed me a he handed me an orange he handed me a syringe he said nobody's leaving this syringe he said nobody's leaving this syringe he said nobody's leaving this hospital until you figure this out and hospital until you figure this out and hospital until you figure this out and at that point I was like [ __ ] fear of at that point I was like [ __ ] fear of at that point I was like [ __ ] fear of needles you know um I'm not afraid of needles you know um I'm not afraid of needles you know um I'm not afraid of needles I just had to make a decision I needles I just had to make a decision I needles I just had to make a decision I was working on the orange and then I was working on the orange and then I was working on the orange and then I thought okay I gotta learn how to inject thought okay I gotta learn how to inject thought okay I gotta learn how to inject my son with insulin and what kind of my son with insulin and what kind of my son with insulin and what kind of wimp am I if I'm not able to do it wimp am I if I'm not able to do it wimp am I if I'm not able to do it myself so I practiced on myself myself so I practiced on myself myself so I practiced on myself um just so that I could be comfortable um just so that I could be comfortable um just so that I could be comfortable with the jab and I knew what he was with the jab and I knew what he was with the jab and I knew what he was experiencing and um I'm not going to be

41:00experiencing and um I'm not going to be experiencing and um I'm not going to be afraid of needles anymore you know what afraid of needles anymore you know what afraid of needles anymore you know what I'm afraid of even more losing my son or I'm afraid of even more losing my son or I'm afraid of even more losing my son or whatever other nightmare image will come whatever other nightmare image will come whatever other nightmare image will come to mind that motivates me when they're to mind that motivates me when they're to mind that motivates me when they're drawn blood drawn blood drawn blood um um so yeah do it James yeah so yeah do it James yeah so yeah do it James yeah all right don't [ __ ] out you have my word you have my word I got you have my word you have my word I got it that's terrific thank you it that's terrific thank you it that's terrific thank you I'll be part of your experiment I'm on I'll be part of your experiment I'm on I'll be part of your experiment I'm on my own guinea pig that's what I've been my own guinea pig that's what I've been my own guinea pig that's what I've been doing since 2015. are we all that's what doing since 2015. are we all that's what doing since 2015. are we all that's what biohacking is all about but you know biohacking is all about but you know biohacking is all about but you know since we talked on the phone we had a since we talked on the phone we had a since we talked on the phone we had a phone conversation getting ready for uh phone conversation getting ready for uh phone conversation getting ready for uh this podcast and since we talked on the this podcast and since we talked on the this podcast and since we talked on the phone phone phone um I thought ah it's been a while I made um I thought ah it's been a while I made um I thought ah it's been a while I made an appointment I'm going in on Wednesday an appointment I'm going in on Wednesday an appointment I'm going in on Wednesday I'm gonna get the T levels checked again I'm gonna get the T levels checked again I'm gonna get the T levels checked again and um I don't know something in me is and um I don't know something in me is and um I don't know something in me is saying look you know you're not going to saying look you know you're not going to saying look you know you're not going to be 11 80. but it doesn't freaking matter be 11 80. but it doesn't freaking matter be 11 80. but it doesn't freaking matter I gotta get a number and we'll see what I gotta get a number and we'll see what I gotta get a number and we'll see what it is and I'll let people know and I'll it is and I'll let people know and I'll it is and I'll let people know and I'll update it yeah it'd be great

42:00update it yeah it'd be great update it yeah it'd be great so what what are the so what what are the so what what are the chemical so once you go in chemical so once you go in chemical so once you go in to the cold plunge like what are the to the cold plunge like what are the to the cold plunge like what are the chemicals that are getting released or chemicals that are getting released or chemicals that are getting released or the hormones that are getting released the hormones that are getting released the hormones that are getting released so you have adrenaline or adrenaline or so you have adrenaline or adrenaline or so you have adrenaline or adrenaline or norepinephrine norepinephrine norepinephrine cortisol cortisol Spike cortisol cortisol Spike cortisol cortisol Spike uh which uh which uh which cortisol would be an antagonist cortisol would be an antagonist cortisol would be an antagonist to testosterone no so if your cortisol to testosterone no so if your cortisol to testosterone no so if your cortisol is chronically elevated then you would is chronically elevated then you would is chronically elevated then you would see people that have low testosterone see people that have low testosterone see people that have low testosterone but in an acute case it doesn't seem to but in an acute case it doesn't seem to but in an acute case it doesn't seem to be as detrimental your body makes be as detrimental your body makes be as detrimental your body makes cortisol for good reasons cortisol for good reasons cortisol for good reasons um when like you say it's an acute um when like you say it's an acute um when like you say it's an acute response to stress you've activated your response to stress you've activated your response to stress you've activated your sympathetic nervous system you're in the sympathetic nervous system you're in the sympathetic nervous system you're in the fight-or-flight mode your body's going fight-or-flight mode your body's going fight-or-flight mode your body's going to make cortisol to make cortisol to make cortisol good for it but that doesn't mean that good for it but that doesn't mean that good for it but that doesn't mean that cortisol is going to stick around cortisol is going to stick around cortisol is going to stick around forever forever forever um huberman is really the expert on this

43:00um huberman is really the expert on this um huberman is really the expert on this he's got a good podcast on cold exposure he's got a good podcast on cold exposure he's got a good podcast on cold exposure and what happens but he maybe spent too and what happens but he maybe spent too and what happens but he maybe spent too much time talking about the dopamine much time talking about the dopamine much time talking about the dopamine again there's a really good study again there's a really good study again there's a really good study um dopamine and norepinephrine where the um dopamine and norepinephrine where the um dopamine and norepinephrine where the focus of this study because they were focus of this study because they were focus of this study because they were looking at this what is it the HPA the looking at this what is it the HPA the looking at this what is it the HPA the hypothalamus pituitary axis they wanted hypothalamus pituitary axis they wanted hypothalamus pituitary axis they wanted to know about the neurotransmitters more to know about the neurotransmitters more to know about the neurotransmitters more than about metabolic responses so they than about metabolic responses so they than about metabolic responses so they were focusing on that he remem did like were focusing on that he remem did like were focusing on that he remem did like a review of the paper on his podcast and a review of the paper on his podcast and a review of the paper on his podcast and the amazing thing was the huge dopamine the amazing thing was the huge dopamine the amazing thing was the huge dopamine Rush that you get when they say 250 Rush that you get when they say 250 Rush that you get when they say 250 percent a lot of people don't do the percent a lot of people don't do the percent a lot of people don't do the math that's three and a half times the math that's three and a half times the math that's three and a half times the level of dopamine and again the dopamine level of dopamine and again the dopamine level of dopamine and again the dopamine doesn't stick around forever but it's no doesn't stick around forever but it's no doesn't stick around forever but it's no wonder you come out of the forge and you wonder you come out of the forge and you wonder you come out of the forge and you feel like Superman like there's a feel like Superman like there's a feel like Superman like there's a feeling of euphoria that can overcome

44:00feeling of euphoria that can overcome feeling of euphoria that can overcome the the person who has just done four the the person who has just done four the the person who has just done four minutes in the cold because that is the minutes in the cold because that is the minutes in the cold because that is the dopamine hitting their brain at the same dopamine hitting their brain at the same dopamine hitting their brain at the same time that they're beginning to re-warm time that they're beginning to re-warm time that they're beginning to re-warm their limbs the the vasoconstriction is their limbs the the vasoconstriction is their limbs the the vasoconstriction is beginning to pass the pain in their toes beginning to pass the pain in their toes beginning to pass the pain in their toes and their fingers is no longer with them and their fingers is no longer with them and their fingers is no longer with them and they're like and they're like and they're like I feel amazing so it's no surprise that I feel amazing so it's no surprise that I feel amazing so it's no surprise that sometimes you start a regular cold sometimes you start a regular cold sometimes you start a regular cold practice and you start craving like practice and you start craving like practice and you start craving like I did one this morning and we've been I did one this morning and we've been I did one this morning and we've been talking about ice baths for so long talking about ice baths for so long talking about ice baths for so long James I'm like I want to get back I'm James I'm like I want to get back I'm James I'm like I want to get back I'm I'm going in there I'm going in there I'm going in there you can bring your laptop or your you can bring your laptop or your you can bring your laptop or your computer over there and just do the rest computer over there and just do the rest computer over there and just do the rest of the of the of the broadcast it broadcast it broadcast it um I don't know there might be um I don't know there might be um I don't know there might be regulations against that the way I go regulations against that the way I go regulations against that the way I go but in any case yeah I'm going in for but in any case yeah I'm going in for but in any case yeah I'm going in for another dip this afternoon sometimes I another dip this afternoon sometimes I another dip this afternoon sometimes I will get a craving and it could be will get a craving and it could be will get a craving and it could be because my body is signaling to me because my body is signaling to me because my body is signaling to me we want those neurotransmitters we want we want those neurotransmitters we want we want those neurotransmitters we want those hormones there is a Cascade of

45:00those hormones there is a Cascade of those hormones there is a Cascade of changes that happens when you get into changes that happens when you get into changes that happens when you get into the ice bath some of them are the ice bath some of them are the ice bath some of them are neurological some of them are metabolic neurological some of them are metabolic neurological some of them are metabolic so hormones neurotransmitters I might be so hormones neurotransmitters I might be so hormones neurotransmitters I might be using these um to the two different using these um to the two different using these um to the two different categories of chemicals that your body categories of chemicals that your body categories of chemicals that your body can produce and sometimes they get can produce and sometimes they get can produce and sometimes they get confused I might be one of the people confused I might be one of the people confused I might be one of the people who's confusing them who's confusing them who's confusing them um metabolically what happens is your um metabolically what happens is your um metabolically what happens is your muscles if you're shivering I don't muscles if you're shivering I don't muscles if you're shivering I don't shiver that much unless I've had a shiver that much unless I've had a shiver that much unless I've had a really bad day unless I'm stressed about really bad day unless I'm stressed about really bad day unless I'm stressed about a fight with my girlfriend or I'm you a fight with my girlfriend or I'm you a fight with my girlfriend or I'm you know anxious about something then I will know anxious about something then I will know anxious about something then I will get a shiver I don't think it's even a get a shiver I don't think it's even a get a shiver I don't think it's even a cold thermogenesis Shiver I think it's a cold thermogenesis Shiver I think it's a cold thermogenesis Shiver I think it's a trauma shiver Peter Levine writes about trauma shiver Peter Levine writes about trauma shiver Peter Levine writes about it in his book um walking the waking the it in his book um walking the waking the it in his book um walking the waking the tiger tiger tiger um um so you but if your muscles are shivering so you but if your muscles are shivering so you but if your muscles are shivering it's because they're sucking glucose out it's because they're sucking glucose out it's because they're sucking glucose out of it's not a technical world they're of it's not a technical world they're of it's not a technical world they're using glucose they're clearing glucose using glucose they're clearing glucose using glucose they're clearing glucose from your bloodstream burning it inside from your bloodstream burning it inside from your bloodstream burning it inside your muscles which are trembling like

46:00your muscles which are trembling like your muscles which are trembling like this because you don't have enough Brown this because you don't have enough Brown this because you don't have enough Brown fat that's shivering thermogenesis and fat that's shivering thermogenesis and fat that's shivering thermogenesis and it's great it improves your insulin it's great it improves your insulin it's great it improves your insulin sensitivity clears glucose out of your sensitivity clears glucose out of your sensitivity clears glucose out of your bloodstream as I mentioned before the bloodstream as I mentioned before the bloodstream as I mentioned before the white fats got to get involved because white fats got to get involved because white fats got to get involved because without enough glucose you might get without enough glucose you might get without enough glucose you might get some glucagon Spike coming out of your some glucagon Spike coming out of your some glucagon Spike coming out of your liver trying to prepare you for this liver trying to prepare you for this liver trying to prepare you for this fight or flight if there isn't enough fight or flight if there isn't enough fight or flight if there isn't enough then the white fats like here's some then the white fats like here's some then the white fats like here's some lipids take them release them into the lipids take them release them into the lipids take them release them into the bloodstream Brown fat we'll scoop those bloodstream Brown fat we'll scoop those bloodstream Brown fat we'll scoop those out of the bloodstream burn those just out of the bloodstream burn those just out of the bloodstream burn those just to create Heat this is your mammalian to create Heat this is your mammalian to create Heat this is your mammalian and this is your evolutionary biological and this is your evolutionary biological and this is your evolutionary biological response to try and maintain response to try and maintain response to try and maintain homeostasis homeostasis homeostasis same time your veins in the um in your same time your veins in the um in your same time your veins in the um in your extremities will begin to constrict extremities will begin to constrict extremities will begin to constrict blood flow will shut down to your blood flow will shut down to your blood flow will shut down to your fingertips to your toes and uh then to fingertips to your toes and uh then to fingertips to your toes and uh then to your arm to your legs because keeping your arm to your legs because keeping your arm to your legs because keeping the blood inside where the vital organs

47:00the blood inside where the vital organs the blood inside where the vital organs are that's your body's first priority if are that's your body's first priority if are that's your body's first priority if your limbs are cold the body's like the your limbs are cold the body's like the your limbs are cold the body's like the heck with that if I send Blood Out to heck with that if I send Blood Out to heck with that if I send Blood Out to the arm the blood will get cold and when the arm the blood will get cold and when the arm the blood will get cold and when it comes back to the heart it will make it comes back to the heart it will make it comes back to the heart it will make the heart cold that's no good so it the heart cold that's no good so it the heart cold that's no good so it shuts down the circulatory system it's shuts down the circulatory system it's shuts down the circulatory system it's called vasoconstriction to the called vasoconstriction to the called vasoconstriction to the extremities in the hope of keeping the extremities in the hope of keeping the extremities in the hope of keeping the internal organs warm internal organs warm internal organs warm um that's why it hurts because these are um that's why it hurts because these are um that's why it hurts because these are smooth muscle tissues they're not smooth muscle tissues they're not smooth muscle tissues they're not attached to your skeleton they constrict attached to your skeleton they constrict attached to your skeleton they constrict and they it's kind of like they spasm and they it's kind of like they spasm and they it's kind of like they spasm there's no way to exercise your smooth there's no way to exercise your smooth there's no way to exercise your smooth muscle tissue except to do muscle tissue except to do muscle tissue except to do vasoconstriction and cold exposure is vasoconstriction and cold exposure is vasoconstriction and cold exposure is the fastest best way to do the fastest best way to do the fastest best way to do vasoconstriction so your muscles clamp vasoconstriction so your muscles clamp vasoconstriction so your muscles clamp down and it's like having a cramp but down and it's like having a cramp but down and it's like having a cramp but focused on your fingertips or your toes focused on your fingertips or your toes focused on your fingertips or your toes that pain is the vasoconstriction that pain is the vasoconstriction that pain is the vasoconstriction terrific all of these things are terrific all of these things are terrific all of these things are happening immediately in the meantime happening immediately in the meantime happening immediately in the meantime your adrenal glands

48:00your adrenal glands your adrenal glands um which are down by your kidneys they um which are down by your kidneys they um which are down by your kidneys they begin to produce noradrenaline and it begin to produce noradrenaline and it begin to produce noradrenaline and it takes a little time for that to reach takes a little time for that to reach takes a little time for that to reach your brain so now these these neural your brain so now these these neural your brain so now these these neural active uh biochemical responses they're active uh biochemical responses they're active uh biochemical responses they're kicking in after vasoconstriction after kicking in after vasoconstriction after kicking in after vasoconstriction after activation of brown fat after shivering activation of brown fat after shivering activation of brown fat after shivering although there's a the Cascade it might although there's a the Cascade it might although there's a the Cascade it might take like 30 seconds for that take like 30 seconds for that take like 30 seconds for that norepinephrine to start hitting your norepinephrine to start hitting your norepinephrine to start hitting your brain brain brain just because the way your circulation just because the way your circulation just because the way your circulation system is adjusting system is adjusting system is adjusting so what happens to a lot of people is so what happens to a lot of people is so what happens to a lot of people is we'll see them undergo the gas reflex we'll see them undergo the gas reflex we'll see them undergo the gas reflex we'll see them you know they're feeling we'll see them you know they're feeling we'll see them you know they're feeling the pain of vasoconstriction they're the pain of vasoconstriction they're the pain of vasoconstriction they're beginning to feel the urge to shiver and beginning to feel the urge to shiver and beginning to feel the urge to shiver and then they go like this then they go like this then they go like this look at this stupid grin on their face look at this stupid grin on their face look at this stupid grin on their face my daughter is the best example I I call

49:00my daughter is the best example I I call my daughter is the best example I I call it her ice face because it her ice face because it her ice face because um then they'll go this hurts so much um then they'll go this hurts so much um then they'll go this hurts so much [Music] [Music] but it's involuntary because that nor but it's involuntary because that nor but it's involuntary because that nor adrenaline that norepinephrine is the adrenaline that norepinephrine is the adrenaline that norepinephrine is the same thing two different words it gets same thing two different words it gets same thing two different words it gets up into the brain and you start feeling up into the brain and you start feeling up into the brain and you start feeling happy up here even while everything else happy up here even while everything else happy up here even while everything else in your body is saying this is in your body is saying this is in your body is saying this is ridiculous I hate you ridiculous I hate you ridiculous I hate you so so metabolic neurological these changes are metabolic neurological these changes are metabolic neurological these changes are involuntary and and they're taking place involuntary and and they're taking place involuntary and and they're taking place inside your body and it helps to kind of inside your body and it helps to kind of inside your body and it helps to kind of have an understanding of what to expect have an understanding of what to expect have an understanding of what to expect because it takes the anxiety level down because it takes the anxiety level down because it takes the anxiety level down you're like oh that's in our adrenaline you're like oh that's in our adrenaline you're like oh that's in our adrenaline and then you get out you're like oh this and then you get out you're like oh this and then you get out you're like oh this is what dopamine Feels Like Everything is what dopamine Feels Like Everything is what dopamine Feels Like Everything has a biochemical explanation has a biochemical explanation has a biochemical explanation here's what's under your control here's what's under your control here's what's under your control um um your breath because you know that the your breath because you know that the your breath because you know that the breath is the doorway between the

50:00breath is the doorway between the breath is the doorway between the sympathetic and the parasympathetic sympathetic and the parasympathetic sympathetic and the parasympathetic system it's system it's system it's um the doorway between what happens um the doorway between what happens um the doorway between what happens automatically and what happens automatically and what happens automatically and what happens voluntarily your heart unless you are a voluntarily your heart unless you are a voluntarily your heart unless you are a monastic your heart is going to do what monastic your heart is going to do what monastic your heart is going to do what your heart is going to do your digestive your heart is going to do your digestive your heart is going to do your digestive system is going to do what it can do now system is going to do what it can do now system is going to do what it can do now some people claim that they can like Vim some people claim that they can like Vim some people claim that they can like Vim can control his immune system you can can control his immune system you can can control his immune system you can turn that on off he can activate Brown turn that on off he can activate Brown turn that on off he can activate Brown fat with the power of his mind and I fat with the power of his mind and I fat with the power of his mind and I believe him it's been measured Scott believe him it's been measured Scott believe him it's been measured Scott Carney wrote about it but I'm not there Carney wrote about it but I'm not there Carney wrote about it but I'm not there um for me you know that doorway is the um for me you know that doorway is the um for me you know that doorway is the breath breath breath um I can let my breath do whatever it's um I can let my breath do whatever it's um I can let my breath do whatever it's going to do and my body will will take going to do and my body will will take going to do and my body will will take care of it for me or I can say on a box care of it for me or I can say on a box care of it for me or I can say on a box breathe I'm gonna do six and four out or breathe I'm gonna do six and four out or breathe I'm gonna do six and four out or you know the other way around whatever you know the other way around whatever you know the other way around whatever works for you I'm gonna count down from works for you I'm gonna count down from works for you I'm gonna count down from ten I'm gonna whatever I'm gonna take ten I'm gonna whatever I'm gonna take ten I'm gonna whatever I'm gonna take control I'm gonna make my breath control I'm gonna make my breath control I'm gonna make my breath conscious conscious conscious you can do that the other thing you have you can do that the other thing you have you can do that the other thing you have control of is your thoughts your control of is your thoughts your control of is your thoughts your self-talk

51:00self-talk self-talk Adrian has this great Mantra that Adrian has this great Mantra that Adrian has this great Mantra that um she developed when she was first um she developed when she was first um she developed when she was first starting her cold practice Adrian's starting her cold practice Adrian's starting her cold practice Adrian's Jason's wife and she wanted nothing to Jason's wife and she wanted nothing to Jason's wife and she wanted nothing to do with our crazy antics you know do with our crazy antics you know do with our crazy antics you know filling up a tub with ice she grew up in filling up a tub with ice she grew up in filling up a tub with ice she grew up in Florida she lives in Phoenix Florida she lives in Phoenix Florida she lives in Phoenix guarantee you there's no Brown fat on guarantee you there's no Brown fat on guarantee you there's no Brown fat on this woman at the time this woman at the time this woman at the time because she just didn't have any cold because she just didn't have any cold because she just didn't have any cold exposure and she'd be the first one to exposure and she'd be the first one to exposure and she'd be the first one to say I hate the cold but she was also say I hate the cold but she was also say I hate the cold but she was also suffering from Hashimoto's thyroiditis suffering from Hashimoto's thyroiditis suffering from Hashimoto's thyroiditis she was suffering from allergies you to she was suffering from allergies you to she was suffering from allergies you to carrier carrier carrier um I mean she was not talk about disease um I mean she was not talk about disease um I mean she was not talk about disease she was not healthy and so when she saw she was not healthy and so when she saw she was not healthy and so when she saw us totally getting into this some part us totally getting into this some part us totally getting into this some part of her was like of her was like of her was like I gotta see what this is about her first I gotta see what this is about her first I gotta see what this is about her first ice bath if I remember correctly was ice bath if I remember correctly was ice bath if I remember correctly was like nine seconds you know she dropped like nine seconds you know she dropped like nine seconds you know she dropped in she sprung out she looked like Wiley in she sprung out she looked like Wiley in she sprung out she looked like Wiley Coyote you know jumping up and on some Coyote you know jumping up and on some Coyote you know jumping up and on some kind of Bugs Bunny cartoon kind of Bugs Bunny cartoon kind of Bugs Bunny cartoon um and the good thing about the ice bath

52:00um and the good thing about the ice bath um and the good thing about the ice bath is you know something is happening right is you know something is happening right is you know something is happening right away it's not like red light or a away it's not like red light or a away it's not like red light or a tanning booth or whatever else to be tanning booth or whatever else to be tanning booth or whatever else to be like well I feel good uh you know maybe like well I feel good uh you know maybe like well I feel good uh you know maybe if I do are Hyperbaric you got to do if I do are Hyperbaric you got to do if I do are Hyperbaric you got to do Hyperbaric for weeks before you're Hyperbaric for weeks before you're Hyperbaric for weeks before you're really getting a measurable Sensational really getting a measurable Sensational really getting a measurable Sensational or a change you can sense or a change you can sense or a change you can sense but cold exposure you know something's but cold exposure you know something's but cold exposure you know something's happening and age is like I don't know happening and age is like I don't know happening and age is like I don't know what that was but I'm gonna do it again what that was but I'm gonna do it again what that was but I'm gonna do it again she developed a mantra to allow her to she developed a mantra to allow her to she developed a mantra to allow her to get past that nine second mark get past that nine second mark get past that nine second mark this is what cold feels like and it's so this is what cold feels like and it's so this is what cold feels like and it's so smart because every part of your body is smart because every part of your body is smart because every part of your body is screaming at your brain You're Gonna Die screaming at your brain You're Gonna Die screaming at your brain You're Gonna Die James get us out of here right away and James get us out of here right away and James get us out of here right away and you can't say a negative to your body you can't say a negative to your body you can't say a negative to your body you can't say We're Not Gonna Die toes you can't say We're Not Gonna Die toes you can't say We're Not Gonna Die toes um because your body can't hear a um because your body can't hear a um because your body can't hear a negative it can't translate oh don't do negative it can't translate oh don't do negative it can't translate oh don't do that can't do that not that you have to that can't do that not that you have to that can't do that not that you have to talk positive to your body just like you talk positive to your body just like you talk positive to your body just like you have to talk to your positive to your

53:00have to talk to your positive to your have to talk to your positive to your kids I don't know if you have kids but kids I don't know if you have kids but kids I don't know if you have kids but if I tell my kids don't forget your if I tell my kids don't forget your if I tell my kids don't forget your homework you know what do they hear homework you know what do they hear homework you know what do they hear forget your homework uh don't run down forget your homework uh don't run down forget your homework uh don't run down the hall they're running because all you the hall they're running because all you the hall they're running because all you have to do is delete one word but for have to do is delete one word but for have to do is delete one word but for the body to understand a don't requires the body to understand a don't requires the body to understand a don't requires this extraordinary translation that only this extraordinary translation that only this extraordinary translation that only the brain can do you can't talk to your the brain can do you can't talk to your the brain can do you can't talk to your toes with don't you have to send them a toes with don't you have to send them a toes with don't you have to send them a positive message that pushes out the positive message that pushes out the positive message that pushes out the we're gonna die we're gonna die we're gonna die this is what cold feels like and so this is what cold feels like and so this is what cold feels like and so Adrian would get in there and she would Adrian would get in there and she would Adrian would get in there and she would tell her fingers this is what cold feels tell her fingers this is what cold feels tell her fingers this is what cold feels like and the fingers you know you have like and the fingers you know you have like and the fingers you know you have to imagine this conversation figures say to imagine this conversation figures say to imagine this conversation figures say no this isn't cold this is death and no this isn't cold this is death and no this isn't cold this is death and here said this is cold you should say here said this is cold you should say here said this is cold you should say your toes this is cold cold feels just your toes this is cold cold feels just your toes this is cold cold feels just like this can you feel the cold I feel like this can you feel the cold I feel like this can you feel the cold I feel the cold because this is what cold feels the cold because this is what cold feels the cold because this is what cold feels like everything comes down everything comes down like I brain waved data on this like I brain waved data on this like I brain waved data on this um we took the Muse headset you know

54:00um we took the Muse headset you know um we took the Muse headset you know wrapped around the forehead and we had wrapped around the forehead and we had wrapped around the forehead and we had um an experienced meditator a naive um an experienced meditator a naive um an experienced meditator a naive meditator we're measuring them warm dry meditator we're measuring them warm dry meditator we're measuring them warm dry on the mat doing their thing here's on the mat doing their thing here's on the mat doing their thing here's their brain waves and sure enough the their brain waves and sure enough the their brain waves and sure enough the experienced meditator could get himself experienced meditator could get himself experienced meditator could get himself down into a meditative uh shoot I forget down into a meditative uh shoot I forget down into a meditative uh shoot I forget what what word muse is doing but a calm what what word muse is doing but a calm what what word muse is doing but a calm State you can keep himself there pretty State you can keep himself there pretty State you can keep himself there pretty good he'd jump out every once in a while good he'd jump out every once in a while good he'd jump out every once in a while and the novice meditator she would pop and the novice meditator she would pop and the novice meditator she would pop in and out in and out in and out then we put them in the Forge and we then we put them in the Forge and we then we put them in the Forge and we gave him the this is what coal feels gave him the this is what coal feels gave him the this is what coal feels like Mantra and we gave him the like Mantra and we gave him the like Mantra and we gave him the structured breathing to do they went structured breathing to do they went structured breathing to do they went down into calm and they stayed there down into calm and they stayed there down into calm and they stayed there like you wouldn't believe there was an like you wouldn't believe there was an like you wouldn't believe there was an instantaneous meditative state in their instantaneous meditative state in their instantaneous meditative state in their brain and they held it for the entire brain and they held it for the entire brain and they held it for the entire time you wouldn't think that you're like time you wouldn't think that you're like time you wouldn't think that you're like I'm supposed to be fight or flight right I'm supposed to be fight or flight right I'm supposed to be fight or flight right now but when you adopt this this is what now but when you adopt this this is what now but when you adopt this this is what cold feels like you take control of all cold feels like you take control of all cold feels like you take control of all those autonomic reactions everything those autonomic reactions everything those autonomic reactions everything that used to be out of your control and that used to be out of your control and that used to be out of your control and you're telling yourselves what's

55:00you're telling yourselves what's you're telling yourselves what's happening your brain is in boss and happening your brain is in boss and happening your brain is in boss and don't give that up don't give up your don't give that up don't give up your don't give that up don't give up your breath breath just because all these other you know just because all these other you know just because all these other you know just because you're making noradrenaline just because you're making noradrenaline just because you're making noradrenaline doesn't mean you have to give up your doesn't mean you have to give up your doesn't mean you have to give up your rest doesn't mean you have to give up rest doesn't mean you have to give up rest doesn't mean you have to give up your thoughts so I have these your thoughts so I have these your thoughts so I have these conversations I know it sounds like the conversations I know it sounds like the conversations I know it sounds like the weirdest thing James but I have these weirdest thing James but I have these weirdest thing James but I have these conversations with different parts of my conversations with different parts of my conversations with different parts of my body body body hey kidneys how are you doing today you hey kidneys how are you doing today you hey kidneys how are you doing today you like this cold you know like this cold you know like this cold you know and um and um and um and there'll be times and there'll be times and there'll be times this is this is all from my daughter this is this is all from my daughter this is this is all from my daughter there'll be times when I'm aching or I'm there'll be times when I'm aching or I'm there'll be times when I'm aching or I'm hurting and I used to get angry you know hurting and I used to get angry you know hurting and I used to get angry you know uh uh uh my toe and my ankle my toe and my ankle my toe and my ankle um you roll your ankle now it won't um you roll your ankle now it won't um you roll your ankle now it won't perform the way you want it to perform perform the way you want it to perform perform the way you want it to perform you got to sit out the rest of the you got to sit out the rest of the you got to sit out the rest of the volleyball game whatever the heck it is volleyball game whatever the heck it is volleyball game whatever the heck it is I used to get angry I used to get angry I used to get angry my daughter was like my daughter was like my daughter was like dad dad dad your ankle's still on the team

56:00your ankle's still on the team your ankle's still on the team your ankle needs your love I was like oh your ankle needs your love I was like oh your ankle needs your love I was like oh so I'll go into the toe you know and if so I'll go into the toe you know and if so I'll go into the toe you know and if something's hurting I'll say something's hurting I'll say something's hurting I'll say [Music] [Music] um um it's okay take your time toe we need it's okay take your time toe we need it's okay take your time toe we need your toe you're on the team we love you your toe you're on the team we love you your toe you're on the team we love you toe and we're going to send all the toe and we're going to send all the toe and we're going to send all the healing energy to you so we can get you healing energy to you so we can get you healing energy to you so we can get you off the bench and back onto the field of off the bench and back onto the field of off the bench and back onto the field of play as soon as you're ready you know I play as soon as you're ready you know I play as soon as you're ready you know I have this weird have this weird have this weird thing this kind of meditative state thing this kind of meditative state thing this kind of meditative state where I'm communing with different parts where I'm communing with different parts where I'm communing with different parts of of of um my body um my body um my body well my daughter told this story well my daughter told this story well my daughter told this story she's in Krav Maga she's like this level she's in Krav Maga she's like this level she's in Krav Maga she's like this level three you know instructor thing and she three you know instructor thing and she three you know instructor thing and she brings this philosophy about her brings this philosophy about her brings this philosophy about her relationship with her body she was relationship with her body she was relationship with her body she was sparring with the black belts it's over sparring with the black belts it's over sparring with the black belts it's over her head and the black belts know how to her head and the black belts know how to her head and the black belts know how to be careful about it be careful about it be careful about it um because she's less experienced even um because she's less experienced even um because she's less experienced even though she's been out there for like though she's been out there for like though she's been out there for like three years three years three years and her knee gave out collapsed and and her knee gave out collapsed and and her knee gave out collapsed and right away the black belt's like ah I right away the black belt's like ah I right away the black belt's like ah I did something you know did I did you did something you know did I did you did something you know did I did you kick too hard did I do think and we

57:00kick too hard did I do think and we kick too hard did I do think and we don't know why but she's down on the mat don't know why but she's down on the mat don't know why but she's down on the mat and she's puts her hands around her knee and she's puts her hands around her knee and she's puts her hands around her knee and um the black belts are all like oh and um the black belts are all like oh and um the black belts are all like oh crap if this turns into a 9-1-1 crap if this turns into a 9-1-1 crap if this turns into a 9-1-1 situation you know uh we're all gonna be situation you know uh we're all gonna be situation you know uh we're all gonna be in trouble are you okay and my in trouble are you okay and my in trouble are you okay and my daughter's like daughter's like daughter's like I love uni and she begins kissing okay okay he goes dead he goes dead he goes dead you got a Mr Miyagi that you got a Mr Miyagi that you got a Mr Miyagi that you know you got to put the Love on the you know you got to put the Love on the you know you got to put the Love on the part that is hurting so I think about part that is hurting so I think about part that is hurting so I think about those things too I send positive message those things too I send positive message those things too I send positive message to my body when I'm in the Forge to my body when I'm in the Forge to my body when I'm in the Forge it's it's it's um um it's actually something I've been it's actually something I've been it's actually something I've been thinking about for a while because I thinking about for a while because I thinking about for a while because I I I I um um I look in the water a lot I've been I look in the water a lot I've been I look in the water a lot I've been looking like in printing for a while now looking like in printing for a while now looking like in printing for a while now and we are water like we're composed and we are water like we're composed and we are water like we're composed so so words really matter so if people are words really matter so if people are words really matter so if people are talking about themselves in a negative talking about themselves in a negative talking about themselves in a negative way like it's gonna Express itself like

58:00way like it's gonna Express itself like way like it's gonna Express itself like water is going to take the shape of its water is going to take the shape of its water is going to take the shape of its container container container so so I know you can't judge a book by its I know you can't judge a book by its I know you can't judge a book by its cover but you can kind of see that some cover but you can kind of see that some cover but you can kind of see that some people don't really treat their bodies people don't really treat their bodies people don't really treat their bodies or they don't have very nice things to or they don't have very nice things to or they don't have very nice things to say about it and it's going to reflect say about it and it's going to reflect say about it and it's going to reflect the body does listen the body does listen the body does listen body does listen it has no choice body does listen it has no choice body does listen it has no choice um language is a technology like a um language is a technology like a um language is a technology like a calculator is a technology for solving calculator is a technology for solving calculator is a technology for solving math problems okay language is not math problems okay language is not math problems okay language is not something that homo sapiens were just something that homo sapiens were just something that homo sapiens were just you know biologically endowed with it you know biologically endowed with it you know biologically endowed with it was invented by our ancestors it's a was invented by our ancestors it's a was invented by our ancestors it's a technique or a technology to solve a technique or a technology to solve a technique or a technology to solve a problem so what does language do problem so what does language do problem so what does language do language is a technology that is language is a technology that is language is a technology that is invented to improve the quality of our invented to improve the quality of our invented to improve the quality of our thinking just like a calculator is thinking just like a calculator is thinking just like a calculator is invented to improve the quality of our invented to improve the quality of our calculations language changes the way we

59:00calculations language changes the way we calculations language changes the way we think and there's some good stuff in think and there's some good stuff in think and there's some good stuff in brain morphology brain morphology brain morphology um children who are illiterate they um children who are illiterate they um children who are illiterate they can't read they have different brains can't read they have different brains can't read they have different brains than children who do read than children who do read than children who do read if you've ever taken a foreign language if you've ever taken a foreign language if you've ever taken a foreign language I remember the moment I was in college I remember the moment I was in college I remember the moment I was in college in German and uh I was not a very good in German and uh I was not a very good in German and uh I was not a very good student but I was in German three student but I was in German three student but I was in German three and in over my head and I got this and in over my head and I got this and in over my head and I got this dictionary translating all these things dictionary translating all these things dictionary translating all these things and I was walking from my dorm to like I and I was walking from my dorm to like I and I was walking from my dorm to like I don't know maybe it was a physics final don't know maybe it was a physics final don't know maybe it was a physics final and I caught myself thinking in German and I caught myself thinking in German and I caught myself thinking in German there is a transition that you make when there is a transition that you make when there is a transition that you make when you're studying a foreign language in you're studying a foreign language in you're studying a foreign language in which you are now able to think in the which you are now able to think in the which you are now able to think in the foreign language because language is a foreign language because language is a foreign language because language is a technology for improving the quality of technology for improving the quality of technology for improving the quality of our thinking the words that come to us our thinking the words that come to us our thinking the words that come to us automatically like we say them out here automatically like we say them out here automatically like we say them out here but they come right back to us in here but they come right back to us in here but they come right back to us in here and change the way we think so now I'm

1:00and change the way we think so now I'm and change the way we think so now I'm very conscious of words very conscious of words very conscious of words um I want to avoid the don'ts oh I don't um I want to avoid the don'ts oh I don't um I want to avoid the don'ts oh I don't want that want that want that what do you want I want to avoid the what do you want I want to avoid the what do you want I want to avoid the negative because it takes away my negative because it takes away my negative because it takes away my creativity creativity creativity I want to be more precise in what I want to be more precise in what I want to be more precise in what sometimes I don't even know what I think sometimes I don't even know what I think sometimes I don't even know what I think until I say it you know sometimes I have until I say it you know sometimes I have until I say it you know sometimes I have to say things to try it on and when I to say things to try it on and when I to say things to try it on and when I catch myself hurting myself with my catch myself hurting myself with my catch myself hurting myself with my words words words I'll sometimes ask for a do-over I'll sometimes ask for a do-over I'll sometimes ask for a do-over looking like you know how when we're looking like you know how when we're looking like you know how when we're little kids and there's an argument well little kids and there's an argument well little kids and there's an argument well was that a foul ball so we're gonna do a was that a foul ball so we're gonna do a was that a foul ball so we're gonna do a do-over you know do-over you know do-over you know do-over is incredibly powerful thing do-over is incredibly powerful thing do-over is incredibly powerful thing I'll be in the middle of a conversation I'll be in the middle of a conversation I'll be in the middle of a conversation with my girlfriend and she might be with my girlfriend and she might be with my girlfriend and she might be offended by something I said that was offended by something I said that was offended by something I said that was careless or maybe I was imprecise or I careless or maybe I was imprecise or I careless or maybe I was imprecise or I didn't get it right uh and I'm not didn't get it right uh and I'm not didn't get it right uh and I'm not satisfied with myself and I'll say could satisfied with myself and I'll say could satisfied with myself and I'll say could I have a do-over and she'll say okay I might take that one

1:01I might take that one do it why take that no and I admire how do it why take that no and I admire how do it why take that no and I admire how well you articulate I kind of caught well you articulate I kind of caught well you articulate I kind of caught that over the phone or on our first chat that over the phone or on our first chat that over the phone or on our first chat so so going back to the hormones and all the going back to the hormones and all the going back to the hormones and all the noradrenaline being released and you're noradrenaline being released and you're noradrenaline being released and you're in like a state or flight or flight in like a state or flight or flight in like a state or flight or flight acutely acutely acutely could cold exposure be detrimental to could cold exposure be detrimental to could cold exposure be detrimental to people that are people that are people that are literally just literally just literally just maybe on their last Lin like would there maybe on their last Lin like would there maybe on their last Lin like would there be any contraindications be any contraindications be any contraindications yeah I've seen that I've seen people yeah I've seen that I've seen people yeah I've seen that I've seen people with PTSD with PTSD with PTSD um that get activated by the cold um that get activated by the cold um that get activated by the cold exposure so we have a rule exposure so we have a rule exposure so we have a rule no coercion no coercion no coercion there's no peer pressure there's no peer pressure there's no peer pressure there's no there's no there's no shame there's no moral judgment you must shame there's no moral judgment you must shame there's no moral judgment you must get into the cold of your own volition get into the cold of your own volition get into the cold of your own volition and come out of your own free will and come out of your own free will and come out of your own free will because because because stuff comes up yeah and even if somebody

1:02stuff comes up yeah and even if somebody stuff comes up yeah and even if somebody my daughter did this it was one of her my daughter did this it was one of her my daughter did this it was one of her crab students crab students crab students um I don't think that woman did two um I don't think that woman did two um I don't think that woman did two seconds you know she got in she popped seconds you know she got in she popped seconds you know she got in she popped out and um you know everybody's laughing out and um you know everybody's laughing out and um you know everybody's laughing because it was kind of funny and my because it was kind of funny and my because it was kind of funny and my daughter's like way to go you know you daughter's like way to go you know you daughter's like way to go you know you just got like the first benefit which is just got like the first benefit which is just got like the first benefit which is you did something really hard that you did something really hard that you did something really hard that scared you you know that's the most scared you you know that's the most scared you you know that's the most important benefit Mike muscle he talks important benefit Mike muscle he talks important benefit Mike muscle he talks about micro dosing the cold he's like do about micro dosing the cold he's like do about micro dosing the cold he's like do 15 seconds because those 15 seconds you 15 seconds because those 15 seconds you 15 seconds because those 15 seconds you had to get over a psychological hurdle had to get over a psychological hurdle had to get over a psychological hurdle and you did it and get out you know you and you did it and get out you know you and you did it and get out you know you prove your point no moral judgment prove your point no moral judgment prove your point no moral judgment because this isn't a moral exercise now because this isn't a moral exercise now because this isn't a moral exercise now you might see Joe Rogan he's in his you might see Joe Rogan he's in his you might see Joe Rogan he's in his forage for 20 minutes because Jocko forage for 20 minutes because Jocko forage for 20 minutes because Jocko willnick called him up and said hey my willnick called him up and said hey my willnick called him up and said hey my kid does 20 or you know whatever Jocko kid does 20 or you know whatever Jocko kid does 20 or you know whatever Jocko says to people and now Joe's got to go says to people and now Joe's got to go says to people and now Joe's got to go and make a meme of it on Instagram and and make a meme of it on Instagram and and make a meme of it on Instagram and it blew up I'm not taking anything away it blew up I'm not taking anything away

1:03it blew up I'm not taking anything away from Joe if Joe wants to do 20 minutes from Joe if Joe wants to do 20 minutes from Joe if Joe wants to do 20 minutes because he's got a personal goal then because he's got a personal goal then because he's got a personal goal then he's doing it if he'd gotten up out he's doing it if he'd gotten up out he's doing it if he'd gotten up out after your you know his first one was a after your you know his first one was a after your you know his first one was a minute and a half way to go Joe you just minute and a half way to go Joe you just minute and a half way to go Joe you just did something difficult did something difficult did something difficult so no coercion no shame so no coercion no shame so no coercion no shame when things come up when things come up when things come up there is a danger there is a danger there is a danger that people will be re-experiencing the that people will be re-experiencing the that people will be re-experiencing the unresolved trauma this is called an unresolved trauma this is called an unresolved trauma this is called an emotional flashback when you emotional flashback when you emotional flashback when you re-experience an unresolved trauma you re-experience an unresolved trauma you re-experience an unresolved trauma you reinforce it you're practicing it again reinforce it you're practicing it again reinforce it you're practicing it again the brain is learning that neural the brain is learning that neural the brain is learning that neural Pathway to the unresolved trauma and it Pathway to the unresolved trauma and it Pathway to the unresolved trauma and it increases the maladaptive state increases the maladaptive state increases the maladaptive state so I have seen people for whom things so I have seen people for whom things so I have seen people for whom things came up and sometimes they'll do like came up and sometimes they'll do like came up and sometimes they'll do like four ice baths and it's not a problem four ice baths and it's not a problem four ice baths and it's not a problem but something happened in their lives but something happened in their lives but something happened in their lives it's made them sensitive in some way it's made them sensitive in some way it's made them sensitive in some way they experience emotional flashback and

1:04they experience emotional flashback and they experience emotional flashback and they gotta get out they gotta get out they gotta get out you can get out what do you need now do you can get out what do you need now do you can get out what do you need now do you know hug you know hug you know hug do you need some red light do you need do you need some red light do you need do you need some red light do you need like whatever it is we're gonna do that like whatever it is we're gonna do that like whatever it is we're gonna do that I wish that I under it's partly my I wish that I under it's partly my I wish that I under it's partly my curiosity I wish I understood it well curiosity I wish I understood it well curiosity I wish I understood it well enough to be able to say uh this is the enough to be able to say uh this is the enough to be able to say uh this is the kind of thing that's coming up for you kind of thing that's coming up for you kind of thing that's coming up for you and this is the kind of care and and this is the kind of care and and this is the kind of care and therapeutic intervention that might help therapeutic intervention that might help therapeutic intervention that might help you right now you right now you right now because because there's something called exposure there's something called exposure there's something called exposure therapy are you familiar with this no therapy are you familiar with this no therapy are you familiar with this no when done correctly it's incredibly when done correctly it's incredibly when done correctly it's incredibly therapeutic so I'm going to use this therapeutic so I'm going to use this therapeutic so I'm going to use this simple example somebody's afraid of simple example somebody's afraid of simple example somebody's afraid of snakes and they have a phobia of snakes snakes and they have a phobia of snakes snakes and they have a phobia of snakes just like thinking about a snake will just like thinking about a snake will just like thinking about a snake will cause a biophysical response a reaction cause a biophysical response a reaction cause a biophysical response a reaction in their body and so exposure therapy in their body and so exposure therapy in their body and so exposure therapy you say well first we're going to say you say well first we're going to say you say well first we're going to say the word snake then we're going to look the word snake then we're going to look the word snake then we're going to look at like a crayon drawing of a snake then at like a crayon drawing of a snake then at like a crayon drawing of a snake then we're going to look at a picture of a we're going to look at a picture of a we're going to look at a picture of a snake and when this is done correctly

1:05snake and when this is done correctly snake and when this is done correctly three hours later they're like petting a three hours later they're like petting a three hours later they're like petting a boa constrictor or something because boa constrictor or something because boa constrictor or something because they extinguish the fear out of the fear they extinguish the fear out of the fear they extinguish the fear out of the fear of say the phobia by titrating their of say the phobia by titrating their of say the phobia by titrating their experience with the phobia in these tiny experience with the phobia in these tiny experience with the phobia in these tiny little Drop Like increments they change little Drop Like increments they change little Drop Like increments they change and they begin to take they manage what and they begin to take they manage what and they begin to take they manage what used to be an involuntary biochemical used to be an involuntary biochemical used to be an involuntary biochemical response now that's phobia a similar response now that's phobia a similar response now that's phobia a similar thing can happen with unresolved trauma thing can happen with unresolved trauma thing can happen with unresolved trauma trauma is a stressful experience that trauma is a stressful experience that trauma is a stressful experience that never got resolution like we can have never got resolution like we can have never got resolution like we can have stress but if we're not immobilized if stress but if we're not immobilized if stress but if we're not immobilized if we remain empowered it can actually be we remain empowered it can actually be we remain empowered it can actually be good for us make us stronger like good for us make us stronger like good for us make us stronger like exercise does so Peter Levine's got exercise does so Peter Levine's got exercise does so Peter Levine's got these great books on trauma and PTSD uh these great books on trauma and PTSD uh these great books on trauma and PTSD uh waking the tiger and unspoken voice is waking the tiger and unspoken voice is waking the tiger and unspoken voice is another one another one another one and Peter says and Peter says and Peter says that one of the essential

1:06that one of the essential that one of the essential mechanisms mechanisms mechanisms for ensuring that stress does not become for ensuring that stress does not become for ensuring that stress does not become PTSD PTSD PTSD is movement is movement is movement one way to to almost guarantee that you one way to to almost guarantee that you one way to to almost guarantee that you take a stressful experience and turn it take a stressful experience and turn it take a stressful experience and turn it into PS ptsds to immobilize someone into PS ptsds to immobilize someone into PS ptsds to immobilize someone so he describes the experience of when so he describes the experience of when so he describes the experience of when he got hit by a car and he was still he got hit by a car and he was still he got hit by a car and he was still conscious and he's laying prone on the conscious and he's laying prone on the conscious and he's laying prone on the road and like the ambulance is coming road and like the ambulance is coming road and like the ambulance is coming and there happened to be a EMT and the and there happened to be a EMT and the and there happened to be a EMT and the EMT was trying to immobilize them EMT was trying to immobilize them EMT was trying to immobilize them because the EMT was worried about a neck because the EMT was worried about a neck because the EMT was worried about a neck fracture fracture fracture but he but Peter was cogent enough to but he but Peter was cogent enough to but he but Peter was cogent enough to say get away from me because he wanted say get away from me because he wanted say get away from me because he wanted to tremble he wanted to shake he was to tremble he wanted to shake he was to tremble he wanted to shake he was aware that if he couldn't move he would aware that if he couldn't move he would aware that if he couldn't move he would not be releasing the trauma sure enough not be releasing the trauma sure enough not be releasing the trauma sure enough he emerged from the experience without he emerged from the experience without he emerged from the experience without PTSD and he knew he was in the ambulance PTSD and he knew he was in the ambulance PTSD and he knew he was in the ambulance asking the nurse to take this Vital sign

1:07asking the nurse to take this Vital sign asking the nurse to take this Vital sign to his temperature and do something else to his temperature and do something else to his temperature and do something else so that he so that he so that he um could detect whether he was at risk um could detect whether he was at risk um could detect whether he was at risk for PTSD he was like oh thank God I'm for PTSD he was like oh thank God I'm for PTSD he was like oh thank God I'm going to be fine going to be fine going to be fine and he says it was the trembling that and he says it was the trembling that and he says it was the trembling that was critical he couldn't move he's was critical he couldn't move he's was critical he couldn't move he's immobilized by the crash but just his immobilized by the crash but just his immobilized by the crash but just his body trembling was a way of releasing body trembling was a way of releasing body trembling was a way of releasing the stress so it doesn't become PTSD the stress so it doesn't become PTSD the stress so it doesn't become PTSD you've seen I don't know if you're a you've seen I don't know if you're a you've seen I don't know if you're a hunter I'm not a hunter hunter I'm not a hunter hunter I'm not a hunter um but I've heard accounts from Hunters um but I've heard accounts from Hunters um but I've heard accounts from Hunters of the animal that does the same thing of the animal that does the same thing of the animal that does the same thing that is shivering and shaking when it's that is shivering and shaking when it's that is shivering and shaking when it's trapped trapped trapped Levine says um and there's some other Levine says um and there's some other Levine says um and there's some other good articles on this that people have good articles on this that people have good articles on this that people have undergone brain surgery it's an extreme undergone brain surgery it's an extreme undergone brain surgery it's an extreme trauma to their nervous system they come trauma to their nervous system they come trauma to their nervous system they come out they often have what's called a out they often have what's called a out they often have what's called a post-operative shiver or a shake or a post-operative shiver or a shake or a post-operative shiver or a shake or a tremble three different words for it tremble three different words for it tremble three different words for it and the Physicians have been accustomed and the Physicians have been accustomed and the Physicians have been accustomed to either immobilizing or administering

1:08to either immobilizing or administering to either immobilizing or administering drugs so they don't shake and Peter drugs so they don't shake and Peter drugs so they don't shake and Peter Levine's like let them tremble because Levine's like let them tremble because Levine's like let them tremble because there's been so much trauma happening up there's been so much trauma happening up there's been so much trauma happening up here they need to release that so one of here they need to release that so one of here they need to release that so one of the things that can happen it happens to the things that can happen it happens to the things that can happen it happens to my friend with Parkinson's and it my friend with Parkinson's and it my friend with Parkinson's and it happens to me happens to me happens to me if I'm anxious if I'm anxious if I'm anxious and I get in the Forge I'll start and I get in the Forge I'll start and I get in the Forge I'll start shivering shivering shivering now people say should you shiver or now people say should you shiver or now people say should you shiver or should you not shiver and I always should you not shiver and I always should you not shiver and I always answer it depends on what you're working answer it depends on what you're working answer it depends on what you're working on on on if you're working on your metabolism and if you're working on your metabolism and if you're working on your metabolism and you're new to cold exposure shiver you're new to cold exposure shiver you're new to cold exposure shiver that's great you're burning up all that that's great you're burning up all that that's great you're burning up all that glucose glucose glucose if you're working on your psychological if you're working on your psychological if you're working on your psychological resilience resilience resilience ever that's great because there's ever that's great because there's ever that's great because there's something in your some anxiety in you something in your some anxiety in you something in your some anxiety in you that needs to get released that needs to get released that needs to get released if what you're working on if you're more if what you're working on if you're more if what you're working on if you're more advanced you know not an office what advanced you know not an office what advanced you know not an office what you're working on is I really want to you're working on is I really want to you're working on is I really want to activate my brown fat I really want to activate my brown fat I really want to activate my brown fat I really want to recruit new Brown fat recruit new Brown fat recruit new Brown fat try and relax that shiver don't shiver try and relax that shiver don't shiver try and relax that shiver don't shiver don't let your muscles warm you up if

1:09don't let your muscles warm you up if don't let your muscles warm you up if you can help it you know you can help it you know you can help it you know just like Vim does focus on that brown just like Vim does focus on that brown just like Vim does focus on that brown fat tissue it's uh sitting at the base fat tissue it's uh sitting at the base fat tissue it's uh sitting at the base of your neck above your clavicles around of your neck above your clavicles around of your neck above your clavicles around your heart Focus your attention at that your heart Focus your attention at that your heart Focus your attention at that space right at the base of your neck space right at the base of your neck space right at the base of your neck sort of at the top of your shoulder sort of at the top of your shoulder sort of at the top of your shoulder blades and say I want to turn that on do blades and say I want to turn that on do blades and say I want to turn that on do that instead of shiver so it depends on that instead of shiver so it depends on that instead of shiver so it depends on where you are and where you are and where you are and um what you're working on and I have um what you're working on and I have um what you're working on and I have seen seen seen stuff come up for people that I wish I stuff come up for people that I wish I stuff come up for people that I wish I could help them with and I'm trying to could help them with and I'm trying to could help them with and I'm trying to teach myself I'm trying to learn more teach myself I'm trying to learn more teach myself I'm trying to learn more about how to do that because I know about how to do that because I know about how to do that because I know what's coming up is emotional and it's what's coming up is emotional and it's what's coming up is emotional and it's related to unresolved trauma I could definitely see that and imagine I could definitely see that and imagine introducing someone to cold exposure if introducing someone to cold exposure if introducing someone to cold exposure if they're just in and out really quick they're just in and out really quick they're just in and out really quick they may want to run away they may want to run away they may want to run away maybe that they're not even ready to maybe that they're not even ready to maybe that they're not even ready to deal with that so that's why it's got to deal with that so that's why it's got to deal with that so that's why it's got to be voluntary yep the movement be voluntary yep the movement be voluntary yep the movement part

1:10part part I noticed when I would do like self-mile I noticed when I would do like self-mile I noticed when I would do like self-mile fashion release I'll put a lacrosse ball fashion release I'll put a lacrosse ball fashion release I'll put a lacrosse ball on my glute or something like that and on my glute or something like that and on my glute or something like that and all of a sudden like this weird emotion all of a sudden like this weird emotion all of a sudden like this weird emotion this thought would come up like why am I this thought would come up like why am I this thought would come up like why am I sad all of a sudden what the hell is sad all of a sudden what the hell is sad all of a sudden what the hell is that like all right let me feel this and that like all right let me feel this and that like all right let me feel this and actually process it and let's say it's actually process it and let's say it's actually process it and let's say it's gone but there's like a lot of buried gone but there's like a lot of buried gone but there's like a lot of buried stuff so stuff so stuff so I could definitely see how that comes up I could definitely see how that comes up I could definitely see how that comes up with the cold exposure because all the with the cold exposure because all the with the cold exposure because all the vasoconstriction too it's like you got vasoconstriction too it's like you got vasoconstriction too it's like you got so much moving right now so much moving right now so much moving right now I was told I haven't checked this out I was told I haven't checked this out I was told I haven't checked this out but I was told that the fastest part of but I was told that the fastest part of but I was told that the fastest part of the nervous system the nervous system the nervous system so it would be no surprise like I was so it would be no surprise like I was so it would be no surprise like I was told that electrical signals would told that electrical signals would told that electrical signals would travel through the fascia faster than travel through the fascia faster than travel through the fascia faster than they'll travel through your nerves so if they'll travel through your nerves so if they'll travel through your nerves so if you're doing some you're doing some you're doing some um would you call it myofascial or self um would you call it myofascial or self um would you call it myofascial or self fascial release and emotions come up fascial release and emotions come up fascial release and emotions come up all of a sudden that that sort of all of a sudden that that sort of all of a sudden that that sort of corroborates this assertion that the corroborates this assertion that the corroborates this assertion that the fascia is part of your nervous system fascia is part of your nervous system fascia is part of your nervous system because you're creating a stimulus because you're creating a stimulus because you're creating a stimulus feelings might come up with that it feelings might come up with that it feelings might come up with that it makes sense to me

1:11makes sense to me makes sense to me what do you do with them feel them honestly that that's what I feel them honestly that that's what I said it's like yeah said it's like yeah said it's like yeah if I wouldn't say you always have to act if I wouldn't say you always have to act if I wouldn't say you always have to act on them on them on them because if I always act on my feelings I because if I always act on my feelings I because if I always act on my feelings I don't know if I'd still be here right don't know if I'd still be here right don't know if I'd still be here right now that's a good point I now that's a good point I now that's a good point I um rip a page out of Adrian's notebook um rip a page out of Adrian's notebook um rip a page out of Adrian's notebook and sometimes I say and sometimes I say and sometimes I say um this is what sadness feels like um this is what sadness feels like um this is what sadness feels like I'm like oh I'm like oh I'm like oh crap and then you know some other part crap and then you know some other part crap and then you know some other part of my body will be like well is it going of my body will be like well is it going of my body will be like well is it going to last forever you know because there's to last forever you know because there's to last forever you know because there's some child in me that confuses the some child in me that confuses the some child in me that confuses the present moment with present moment with present moment with eternity but I get to have a dialogue eternity but I get to have a dialogue eternity but I get to have a dialogue with that part say no it's just now with that part say no it's just now with that part say no it's just now and uh you mentioned earlier with kids and uh you mentioned earlier with kids and uh you mentioned earlier with kids uh I have one on the way and we're uh I have one on the way and we're uh I have one on the way and we're actually going through a class and actually going through a class and actually going through a class and congratulations thank you the they're congratulations thank you the they're congratulations thank you the they're mentioning how mentioning how

1:12mentioning how a lot of birth is actually traumatic and a lot of birth is actually traumatic and a lot of birth is actually traumatic and the kids the kids the kids the baby is is still conscious we may the baby is is still conscious we may the baby is is still conscious we may not understand that fully for whatever not understand that fully for whatever not understand that fully for whatever reason but it's like reason but it's like reason but it's like they're experience in this world too they're experience in this world too they're experience in this world too they just don't know how to vocalize it they just don't know how to vocalize it they just don't know how to vocalize it and everything that they go through in and everything that they go through in and everything that they go through in the hospitals like that's traumatic the hospitals like that's traumatic the hospitals like that's traumatic you're not out in nature you're not you're not out in nature you're not you're not out in nature you're not grounded grounded grounded when does your child due uh September when does your child due uh September when does your child due uh September 25th so next month okay uh so you're 25th so next month okay uh so you're 25th so next month okay uh so you're pretty far along and uh you're taking a pretty far along and uh you're taking a pretty far along and uh you're taking a class class class um what are you reading um what are you reading um what are you reading uh We've read so much uh We've read so much uh We've read so much um um nutrition books is always nutrition books is always nutrition books is always lots of protein lots of proteins Goods a lots of protein lots of proteins Goods a lots of protein lots of proteins Goods a lot of water okay uh we took like this lot of water okay uh we took like this lot of water okay uh we took like this mineral chorus uh we have really good mineral chorus uh we have really good mineral chorus uh we have really good filtered water shower filters we're filtered water shower filters we're filtered water shower filters we're doing pretty well over here do you have doing pretty well over here do you have doing pretty well over here do you have a doula no do you have a birth plan we

1:13a doula no do you have a birth plan we a doula no do you have a birth plan we have a midwife and we're gonna okay have a midwife and we're gonna okay have a midwife and we're gonna okay that's cool do you have a written birth that's cool do you have a written birth that's cool do you have a written birth plan we're working on that okay we're plan we're working on that okay we're plan we're working on that okay we're actually having the baby in home instead actually having the baby in home instead actually having the baby in home instead of at the center so what state are you of at the center so what state are you of at the center so what state are you in Florida mine were born in New York in Florida mine were born in New York in Florida mine were born in New York where it is illegal for a physician to where it is illegal for a physician to where it is illegal for a physician to attend a home birth so attend a home birth so attend a home birth so I don't know how the Amish figure that I don't know how the Amish figure that I don't know how the Amish figure that out but um out but um out but um we had to have ours in the hospital uh we had to have ours in the hospital uh we had to have ours in the hospital uh because we were in New York and I'm and because we were in New York and I'm and because we were in New York and I'm and we're working on a written birth plan is we're working on a written birth plan is we're working on a written birth plan is the right answer here's something I want the right answer here's something I want the right answer here's something I want you to do get a book called pregnancy you to do get a book called pregnancy you to do get a book called pregnancy childbirth and the newborn childbirth and the newborn childbirth and the newborn and and and um it's not really a conflict of um it's not really a conflict of um it's not really a conflict of interest but I should let you know my interest but I should let you know my interest but I should let you know my aunt wrote it aunt wrote it aunt wrote it she founded an organization called she founded an organization called she founded an organization called doulas of North America so of course you doulas of North America so of course you doulas of North America so of course you know at that time 26 years ago or know at that time 26 years ago or know at that time 26 years ago or whatever it was whatever it was whatever it was um when I was at that stage I'm reading um when I was at that stage I'm reading um when I was at that stage I'm reading my aunt's book I'm not reading that What

1:14my aunt's book I'm not reading that What my aunt's book I'm not reading that What to Expect When You're Expecting I'm to Expect When You're Expecting I'm to Expect When You're Expecting I'm going to read the book that my aunt going to read the book that my aunt going to read the book that my aunt wrote for me you know and it is wrote for me you know and it is wrote for me you know and it is fantastic I am not much of a planner but fantastic I am not much of a planner but fantastic I am not much of a planner but she is a big advocate of the birth plan she is a big advocate of the birth plan she is a big advocate of the birth plan and she's not and she's not and she's not um she's not moral or judgmental she's um she's not moral or judgmental she's um she's not moral or judgmental she's not a big advocate of non-medicalized not a big advocate of non-medicalized not a big advocate of non-medicalized natural home birth or whatever she's a natural home birth or whatever she's a natural home birth or whatever she's a big advocate of having a plan know what big advocate of having a plan know what big advocate of having a plan know what you want know what would cause you to you want know what would cause you to you want know what would cause you to make a decision that is different from make a decision that is different from make a decision that is different from what you want so she might say if you what you want so she might say if you what you want so she might say if you know you want an epidural right epidural know you want an epidural right epidural know you want an epidural right epidural down in the birth plan she's not judging down in the birth plan she's not judging down in the birth plan she's not judging it she didn't do it but that's because it she didn't do it but that's because it she didn't do it but that's because it's not right for her it might be right it's not right for her it might be right it's not right for her it might be right for someone else then let's say you for someone else then let's say you for someone else then let's say you don't want the epidural and you're like don't want the epidural and you're like don't want the epidural and you're like we're not doing epidural that stuff is we're not doing epidural that stuff is we're not doing epidural that stuff is ridiculous no one's sticking a needle in ridiculous no one's sticking a needle in ridiculous no one's sticking a needle in my wife's spinal cord or you know my wife's spinal cord or you know my wife's spinal cord or you know whatever it is you and your wife agree whatever it is you and your wife agree whatever it is you and your wife agree on this and then my aunt would say Okay

1:15on this and then my aunt would say Okay on this and then my aunt would say Okay under what conditions would you change under what conditions would you change under what conditions would you change your mind your mind your mind and that is super freaking important and that is super freaking important and that is super freaking important when she taught me what planning really when she taught me what planning really when she taught me what planning really was planning is not an idealized script was planning is not an idealized script was planning is not an idealized script of everything that you fantasize is of everything that you fantasize is of everything that you fantasize is going to happen going to happen going to happen planning is planning is planning is how do we know we're on track what do we how do we know we're on track what do we how do we know we're on track what do we do when we're getting off track planning do when we're getting off track planning do when we're getting off track planning is like all these contingencies so is like all these contingencies so is like all these contingencies so um you know we had we didn't want the um you know we had we didn't want the um you know we had we didn't want the epidural uh what would convince you to epidural uh what would convince you to epidural uh what would convince you to change your mind and we thought about change your mind and we thought about change your mind and we thought about this and we thought what is it tearing this and we thought what is it tearing this and we thought what is it tearing and pain and blah blah we said nope and pain and blah blah we said nope and pain and blah blah we said nope um we would rather do the water tub uh um we would rather do the water tub uh um we would rather do the water tub uh we you know there are other things we you know there are other things we you know there are other things available to us for pain management that available to us for pain management that available to us for pain management that uh we were doing all those options were uh we were doing all those options were uh we were doing all those options were gonna have to be exhausted before we did gonna have to be exhausted before we did gonna have to be exhausted before we did the epidural but sure enough you know my the epidural but sure enough you know my the epidural but sure enough you know my wife is seven centimeters or something wife is seven centimeters or something wife is seven centimeters or something I've got and she's like I so want that I've got and she's like I so want that I've got and she's like I so want that epidural epidural epidural we had a plan we had a plan we had a plan and you complaining is not what would

1:16and you complaining is not what would and you complaining is not what would change your mind about the epidural change your mind about the epidural change your mind about the epidural and it's I'm being the Doula and it's I'm being the Doula and it's I'm being the Doula um and it's my job to execute on the um and it's my job to execute on the um and it's my job to execute on the plan because frankly she's mentally plan because frankly she's mentally plan because frankly she's mentally incapacitated you don't take a woman in incapacitated you don't take a woman in incapacitated you don't take a woman in the throes of childbirth and ask her to the throes of childbirth and ask her to the throes of childbirth and ask her to oh do you want an ice pack honey like oh do you want an ice pack honey like oh do you want an ice pack honey like what the hell how is she supposed to what the hell how is she supposed to what the hell how is she supposed to know what she wants you're gonna just know what she wants you're gonna just know what she wants you're gonna just gonna get your neck like rung you know gonna get your neck like rung you know gonna get your neck like rung you know and our Midwife was so clever because and our Midwife was so clever because and our Midwife was so clever because um you know I knew that pushing was um you know I knew that pushing was um you know I knew that pushing was going to be tough but my wife only had going to be tough but my wife only had going to be tough but my wife only had like this much more to go Midwife set up like this much more to go Midwife set up like this much more to go Midwife set up a mirror and so she said okay I hear you a mirror and so she said okay I hear you a mirror and so she said okay I hear you about the epidural it's probably too about the epidural it's probably too about the epidural it's probably too late for the epidural to take effect but late for the epidural to take effect but late for the epidural to take effect but we'll do the epidural because it's very we'll do the epidural because it's very we'll do the epidural because it's very important to you there's just one thing important to you there's just one thing important to you there's just one thing that I want to do before the epidural that I want to do before the epidural that I want to do before the epidural and I'm standing there going this woman and I'm standing there going this woman and I'm standing there going this woman is good you know is good you know is good you know she sets a mirror up and she says I want

1:17she sets a mirror up and she says I want she sets a mirror up and she says I want you to see the crown of your baby's head you to see the crown of your baby's head you to see the crown of your baby's head before we do the epidural and my wife is before we do the epidural and my wife is before we do the epidural and my wife is looking I don't see anything looking I don't see anything looking I don't see anything but my wife is like that's my baby and but my wife is like that's my baby and but my wife is like that's my baby and the um the Midwife says yeah that's the the um the Midwife says yeah that's the the um the Midwife says yeah that's the crown of his head he's got a lot of hair crown of his head he's got a lot of hair crown of his head he's got a lot of hair and my wife is like I'm pushing and my wife is like I'm pushing and my wife is like I'm pushing [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] we had a plan we weren't going to we had a plan we weren't going to we had a plan we weren't going to deviate from the plan but we needed this deviate from the plan but we needed this deviate from the plan but we needed this little extra from Midwife to keep us you little extra from Midwife to keep us you little extra from Midwife to keep us you know to keep our morale up and our know to keep our morale up and our know to keep our morale up and our Spirits High get the energy that's Spirits High get the energy that's Spirits High get the energy that's needed for the last put now needed for the last put now needed for the last put now um my wife tore okay that hurt okay um my wife tore okay that hurt okay um my wife tore okay that hurt okay uh I forget it was like four stitches uh I forget it was like four stitches uh I forget it was like four stitches um um and she was so glad afterwards that she and she was so glad afterwards that she and she was so glad afterwards that she didn't have the epidural because the didn't have the epidural because the didn't have the epidural because the sensation of breastfeeding the recovery sensation of breastfeeding the recovery sensation of breastfeeding the recovery is faster the oxytocin bonding with the is faster the oxytocin bonding with the is faster the oxytocin bonding with the child is faster and she was like thank child is faster and she was like thank child is faster and she was like thank you you if there had been a different condition if there had been a different condition if there had been a different condition like we didn't want a fetal heart

1:18like we didn't want a fetal heart like we didn't want a fetal heart monitor okay my aunt says what would monitor okay my aunt says what would monitor okay my aunt says what would change your mind if the physician and change your mind if the physician and change your mind if the physician and the Midwife says that our baby's in the Midwife says that our baby's in the Midwife says that our baby's in distress distress distress like if they get some other indication like if they get some other indication like if they get some other indication that says that says that says um that something is not progressing um that something is not progressing um that something is not progressing even if it's slow along a normal path or even if it's slow along a normal path or even if it's slow along a normal path or uh they suspect that the umbilical cord uh they suspect that the umbilical cord uh they suspect that the umbilical cord or and we had a series of contingencies or and we had a series of contingencies or and we had a series of contingencies and say okay then we'll get a fetal and say okay then we'll get a fetal and say okay then we'll get a fetal heart monitor well by the time my heart monitor well by the time my heart monitor well by the time my daughter came around two and a half daughter came around two and a half daughter came around two and a half years later years later years later we're like we don't want this we don't we're like we don't want this we don't we're like we don't want this we don't want that we don't like the other thing want that we don't like the other thing want that we don't like the other thing when we were admitted to the hospital when we were admitted to the hospital when we were admitted to the hospital they tried to put us in a wheelchair they tried to put us in a wheelchair they tried to put us in a wheelchair we're like don't want that you know we're like don't want that you know we're like don't want that you know our confidence was through the roof our confidence was through the roof our confidence was through the roof because we'd already been through so because we'd already been through so because we'd already been through so much there was no tearing I mean it was much there was no tearing I mean it was much there was no tearing I mean it was a beautiful experience a beautiful experience a beautiful experience um um and yet we knew what would convince you and yet we knew what would convince you and yet we knew what would convince you have a C-section have a C-section have a C-section baby's life in danger mother's life in baby's life in danger mother's life in baby's life in danger mother's life in danger uh these are the kinds of danger danger uh these are the kinds of danger danger uh these are the kinds of danger signs like we'd gone there in our

1:19signs like we'd gone there in our signs like we'd gone there in our imagination just in case what would imagination just in case what would imagination just in case what would convince you to have an ultrasound we convince you to have an ultrasound we convince you to have an ultrasound we didn't want an ultrasound we didn't want didn't want an ultrasound we didn't want didn't want an ultrasound we didn't want any of that stuff but if this happens any of that stuff but if this happens any of that stuff but if this happens and this happens then yes of course we and this happens then yes of course we and this happens then yes of course we would consent so why am I telling you would consent so why am I telling you would consent so why am I telling you all this as part of the podcast that all this as part of the podcast that all this as part of the podcast that we're probably never like you can edit we're probably never like you can edit we're probably never like you can edit all this out because all this out because all this out because it's an amazing book I want you to have it's an amazing book I want you to have it's an amazing book I want you to have a birth plan especially your being at a birth plan especially your being at a birth plan especially your being at home you should both read it you have home you should both read it you have home you should both read it you have enough time to get through it and if enough time to get through it and if enough time to get through it and if your experience is anything like mine your experience is anything like mine your experience is anything like mine you're gonna like oh holy wow I didn't you're gonna like oh holy wow I didn't you're gonna like oh holy wow I didn't know that I didn't have that you're know that I didn't have that you're know that I didn't have that you're going to be mentally so much better going to be mentally so much better going to be mentally so much better prepared for everything good and bad prepared for everything good and bad prepared for everything good and bad that can happen nothing is going to that can happen nothing is going to that can happen nothing is going to phase you I'm definitely gonna look into that one I'm definitely gonna look into that one in the meantime I got like three in the meantime I got like three in the meantime I got like three articles on pregnancy articles on pregnancy articles on pregnancy and childbirth and cold exposure and and childbirth and cold exposure and and childbirth and cold exposure and it's one of the best things she can do it's one of the best things she can do it's one of the best things she can do right now uh-huh

1:20right now uh-huh right now uh-huh that'd be a very hard so I don't know if that'd be a very hard so I don't know if that'd be a very hard so I don't know if I'm that good of a Salesman I'm that good of a Salesman I'm that good of a Salesman um then just read the science read the um then just read the science read the um then just read the science read the experiences of the women that are in experiences of the women that are in experiences of the women that are in these articles one of them uh she's got these articles one of them uh she's got these articles one of them uh she's got a doctorate in microbiology she's German a doctorate in microbiology she's German a doctorate in microbiology she's German she's bimhof trained her name is Dr she's bimhof trained her name is Dr she's bimhof trained her name is Dr Josephine warsek or Josephine warsek PhD Josephine warsek or Josephine warsek PhD Josephine warsek or Josephine warsek PhD um and she chronicled the whole thing on um and she chronicled the whole thing on um and she chronicled the whole thing on Instagram so you know I popped in some Instagram so you know I popped in some Instagram so you know I popped in some citations I've done some really good citations I've done some really good citations I've done some really good work in the library on the reviews of work in the library on the reviews of work in the library on the reviews of cold exposure and pregnancy first it's cold exposure and pregnancy first it's cold exposure and pregnancy first it's good for conception and fertility well good for conception and fertility well good for conception and fertility well you're past that point now you're in you're past that point now you're in you're past that point now you're in like this last trimester the last like this last trimester the last like this last trimester the last trimester is when metabolic disorders trimester is when metabolic disorders trimester is when metabolic disorders begin to become acute the metabolic begin to become acute the metabolic begin to become acute the metabolic demands of the child are extraordinary demands of the child are extraordinary demands of the child are extraordinary at this point a lot of women will at this point a lot of women will at this point a lot of women will um um because their carbon protein ratio is because their carbon protein ratio is because their carbon protein ratio is out of whack maybe they get toxemia out of whack maybe they get toxemia out of whack maybe they get toxemia maybe they get inflammation maybe they

1:21maybe they get inflammation maybe they maybe they get inflammation maybe they get swollen ankles well guess what's get swollen ankles well guess what's get swollen ankles well guess what's good for your metabolism good for your metabolism good for your metabolism cold exposure they've even monitored cold exposure they've even monitored cold exposure they've even monitored fetal temperatures under extreme heat fetal temperatures under extreme heat fetal temperatures under extreme heat and extreme cold to discover what you and extreme cold to discover what you and extreme cold to discover what you know how well protected is the fetus know how well protected is the fetus know how well protected is the fetus from the cold and the answer is from the cold and the answer is from the cold and the answer is extremely well protected extremely well protected extremely well protected heat very bad for pregnant women all heat very bad for pregnant women all heat very bad for pregnant women all kinds of deleterious outcomes cold very kinds of deleterious outcomes cold very kinds of deleterious outcomes cold very good so good so good so um yeah there's some case studies um yeah there's some case studies um yeah there's some case studies they're on if you Google ice bath they're on if you Google ice bath they're on if you Google ice bath pregnancy it's one of the two key words pregnancy it's one of the two key words pregnancy it's one of the two key words in like the whole you know panel be of in like the whole you know panel be of in like the whole you know panel be of Google in which we will come up you know Google in which we will come up you know Google in which we will come up you know as one of the top ranked uh sites as one of the top ranked uh sites as one of the top ranked uh sites because nobody else out there is because nobody else out there is because nobody else out there is touching it it's like the third rail of touching it it's like the third rail of touching it it's like the third rail of Health and Wellness don't mess with Health and Wellness don't mess with Health and Wellness don't mess with pregnant women and I would not be pregnant women and I would not be pregnant women and I would not be um writing these articles if the science um writing these articles if the science um writing these articles if the science and experience was not backing it up and experience was not backing it up and experience was not backing it up postpartum

1:22postpartum postpartum get her in the heat get her in the heat get her in the heat everything changes when the baby is now everything changes when the baby is now everything changes when the baby is now outside the womb and it's time to outside the womb and it's time to outside the womb and it's time to breastfeed the child breastfeed the child breastfeed the child get her in the sauna but no sauna and no get her in the sauna but no sauna and no get her in the sauna but no sauna and no heat until after the childbirth go with heat until after the childbirth go with heat until after the childbirth go with the cold the cold the cold and and would there be like a certain would there be like a certain would there be like a certain temperature threshold so I guess that temperature threshold so I guess that temperature threshold so I guess that would lead into the next question for a would lead into the next question for a would lead into the next question for a pregnancy doesn't have to be that cold pregnancy doesn't have to be that cold pregnancy doesn't have to be that cold it doesn't have to be very cold at all it doesn't have to be very cold at all it doesn't have to be very cold at all anything that feels cold like anything that feels cold like anything that feels cold like below the the what we call the thermal below the the what we call the thermal below the the what we call the thermal Comfort Line or thermal neutrality and Comfort Line or thermal neutrality and Comfort Line or thermal neutrality and for your wife 50 might be like oh my God for your wife 50 might be like oh my God for your wife 50 might be like oh my God what are you doing to me you know um what are you doing to me you know um what are you doing to me you know um that's fine if she feels cold then it's that's fine if she feels cold then it's that's fine if she feels cold then it's cold and maybe that gives you a little more and maybe that gives you a little more confidence but I've had one woman do 34 confidence but I've had one woman do 34 confidence but I've had one woman do 34 degrees wow there's thermal images of her on our

1:23wow there's thermal images of her on our website and she loved it website and she loved it website and she loved it um it took her swelling down she felt um it took her swelling down she felt um it took her swelling down she felt much more mobile the next day and she much more mobile the next day and she much more mobile the next day and she um she tried to keep like this is in her um she tried to keep like this is in her um she tried to keep like this is in her last trimester and she tried to keep her last trimester and she tried to keep her last trimester and she tried to keep her her belly up out of the water just to her belly up out of the water just to her belly up out of the water just to increase her Comfort level and so I increase her Comfort level and so I increase her Comfort level and so I cross checked this with cross checked this with cross checked this with um warsek and I'm like so what do you um warsek and I'm like so what do you um warsek and I'm like so what do you think she's fine I mean belly in belly think she's fine I mean belly in belly think she's fine I mean belly in belly out either way is fine the fetus is very out either way is fine the fetus is very out either way is fine the fetus is very well protected the mom doesn't have to well protected the mom doesn't have to well protected the mom doesn't have to be in there for very long like 34 is be in there for very long like 34 is be in there for very long like 34 is fine but warsek and her sister they fine but warsek and her sister they fine but warsek and her sister they weren't doing 34. you know they were weren't doing 34. you know they were weren't doing 34. you know they were doing more like mid 40s I don't know doing more like mid 40s I don't know doing more like mid 40s I don't know it's Celsius you got to translate but um it's Celsius you got to translate but um it's Celsius you got to translate but um doesn't have to be very cold doesn't have to be very cold doesn't have to be very cold and what I'm telling you is what's been and what I'm telling you is what's been and what I'm telling you is what's been documented in the scientific literature documented in the scientific literature documented in the scientific literature and the experiences of the other women and the experiences of the other women and the experiences of the other women it sounds like your wife is taking good it sounds like your wife is taking good it sounds like your wife is taking good care of herself nutritionally it sounds

1:24care of herself nutritionally it sounds care of herself nutritionally it sounds like you're very conscious and if like you're very conscious and if like you're very conscious and if there's no problem to correct then there's no problem to correct then there's no problem to correct then don't do it like this is I'm not a don't do it like this is I'm not a don't do it like this is I'm not a medical doctor I'm not giving medical medical doctor I'm not giving medical medical doctor I'm not giving medical advice I'm saying this is what has advice I'm saying this is what has advice I'm saying this is what has happened and it worked well for other happened and it worked well for other happened and it worked well for other women so does it have to be full body or so does it have to be full body or I know when I go in the tub if I just I know when I go in the tub if I just I know when I go in the tub if I just put my feet in there it's miserable yeah put my feet in there it's miserable yeah put my feet in there it's miserable yeah I can't stand it I agree so I gotta go I can't stand it I agree so I gotta go I can't stand it I agree so I gotta go at least above my belly button or like at least above my belly button or like at least above my belly button or like you say I'm miserable but I like going you say I'm miserable but I like going you say I'm miserable but I like going all the way up to my chin I want to get all the way up to my chin I want to get all the way up to my chin I want to get all my brown fats submerged all my brown fats submerged all my brown fats submerged um um so the the brown fat so the the brown fat so the the brown fat it's it's what were you saying earlier about the what were you saying earlier about the what were you saying earlier about the the mitochondria and the brown fat the mitochondria and the brown fat the mitochondria and the brown fat compared to anywhere else in compared to anywhere else in compared to anywhere else in Brown Brown Brown ketosis as soon as you get in the cold ketosis as soon as you get in the cold ketosis as soon as you get in the cold now now now Brown fat have more mitochondria than Brown fat have more mitochondria than Brown fat have more mitochondria than any other cell in your body because the

1:25any other cell in your body because the any other cell in your body because the only I shouldn't say the only job only I shouldn't say the only job only I shouldn't say the only job um Brown fat do a lot of interesting um Brown fat do a lot of interesting um Brown fat do a lot of interesting things their principal job is to produce things their principal job is to produce things their principal job is to produce heat to turn glucose and fat into heat heat to turn glucose and fat into heat heat to turn glucose and fat into heat and they need mitochondria for that they and they need mitochondria for that they and they need mitochondria for that they also produce thyroid hormone more also produce thyroid hormone more also produce thyroid hormone more thyroid hormone comes out of your brown thyroid hormone comes out of your brown thyroid hormone comes out of your brown fat than comes out of any other part of fat than comes out of any other part of fat than comes out of any other part of your body including the thyroid so your body including the thyroid so your body including the thyroid so Adrian had a dysregulated thyroid Adrian had a dysregulated thyroid Adrian had a dysregulated thyroid because she had no Brown fat when she because she had no Brown fat when she because she had no Brown fat when she started doing ice baths guess what started doing ice baths guess what started doing ice baths guess what happened to her Hashimoto's thyroiditis happened to her Hashimoto's thyroiditis happened to her Hashimoto's thyroiditis resolved and they told her that she resolved and they told her that she resolved and they told her that she would be on thyroid medication for the would be on thyroid medication for the would be on thyroid medication for the rest of her life and she's not because rest of her life and she's not because rest of her life and she's not because she just needed to recruit Brown fat she just needed to recruit Brown fat she just needed to recruit Brown fat into her body so the brown fat could into her body so the brown fat could into her body so the brown fat could produce the thyroid stimulating hormone produce the thyroid stimulating hormone produce the thyroid stimulating hormone that modulates the action of her thyroid that modulates the action of her thyroid that modulates the action of her thyroid so Brown fat is an amazing organ it's so Brown fat is an amazing organ it's so Brown fat is an amazing organ it's packed with mitochondria for your body packed with mitochondria for your body packed with mitochondria for your body to to to um Recruit new Brown fat in response to um Recruit new Brown fat in response to um Recruit new Brown fat in response to cold exposure it needs to create a lot

1:26cold exposure it needs to create a lot cold exposure it needs to create a lot of new mitochondria they're going to of new mitochondria they're going to of new mitochondria they're going to need the nutritional requirements need the nutritional requirements need the nutritional requirements magnesium incredibly important and your magnesium incredibly important and your magnesium incredibly important and your body is going to sort through its body is going to sort through its body is going to sort through its existing mitochondria it's going to say existing mitochondria it's going to say existing mitochondria it's going to say which are the really good ones is going which are the really good ones is going which are the really good ones is going to duplicate the best mitochondria that to duplicate the best mitochondria that to duplicate the best mitochondria that you've got out of whatever nutritional you've got out of whatever nutritional you've got out of whatever nutritional elements are available to you and pack elements are available to you and pack elements are available to you and pack them into your brown fat them into your brown fat them into your brown fat so when I need to work more on you know so when I need to work more on you know so when I need to work more on you know another article waiting for me to write another article waiting for me to write another article waiting for me to write is mitochondrial therapies there are is mitochondrial therapies there are is mitochondrial therapies there are such things such things such things um most of them are nutritional and that um most of them are nutritional and that um most of them are nutritional and that sounds great I want to see if anybody's sounds great I want to see if anybody's sounds great I want to see if anybody's been doing cold exposure as a been doing cold exposure as a been doing cold exposure as a mitochondrial therapy mitochondrial therapy mitochondrial therapy what happens is a consequence of what happens is a consequence of what happens is a consequence of activating and recruiting new Brown fat activating and recruiting new Brown fat activating and recruiting new Brown fat is insulin sensitivity goes way through is insulin sensitivity goes way through is insulin sensitivity goes way through the roof and because pregnancy is so the roof and because pregnancy is so the roof and because pregnancy is so demanding metabolically you've probably demanding metabolically you've probably demanding metabolically you've probably heard a term called gestational diabetes heard a term called gestational diabetes heard a term called gestational diabetes you can get these temporary metabolic you can get these temporary metabolic you can get these temporary metabolic disorders because disorders because disorders because if the woman weren't pregnant the doctor

1:27if the woman weren't pregnant the doctor if the woman weren't pregnant the doctor would look at her goes oh yeah you're would look at her goes oh yeah you're would look at her goes oh yeah you're fine your glucose tolerance fine you fine your glucose tolerance fine you fine your glucose tolerance fine you know it's all within range but with the know it's all within range but with the know it's all within range but with the additional stress a a marginal additional stress a a marginal additional stress a a marginal metabolism can be pushed over into a metabolism can be pushed over into a metabolism can be pushed over into a type 2 diabetes condition but just type 2 diabetes condition but just type 2 diabetes condition but just during gestation during gestation during gestation keeping the insulin sensitivity High keeping the insulin sensitivity High keeping the insulin sensitivity High is critical for metabolism so there is critical for metabolism so there is critical for metabolism so there isn't too much insulin running around isn't too much insulin running around isn't too much insulin running around the body the body the body um um and this improves the metabolic health and this improves the metabolic health and this improves the metabolic health of the woman and also of the child of the woman and also of the child of the woman and also of the child so a little cold exposure now again she so a little cold exposure now again she so a little cold exposure now again she might be doing great with her diet a might be doing great with her diet a might be doing great with her diet a little cold exposure has been shown to little cold exposure has been shown to little cold exposure has been shown to have in the epidemiological studies lots have in the epidemiological studies lots have in the epidemiological studies lots of benefits for pregnant women of benefits for pregnant women of benefits for pregnant women about the ketones you will start about the ketones you will start about the ketones you will start producing it won't pull you into full-on producing it won't pull you into full-on producing it won't pull you into full-on ketosis but you will start producing ketosis but you will start producing ketosis but you will start producing ketones as soon as you get into the cold ketones as soon as you get into the cold ketones as soon as you get into the cold it's the fastest way to stimulate it's the fastest way to stimulate it's the fastest way to stimulate endogenous Ketone production so endogenous Ketone production so endogenous Ketone production so ordinarily it would take like three days

1:28ordinarily it would take like three days ordinarily it would take like three days to get into ketosis or something it to get into ketosis or something it to get into ketosis or something it depends upon how many carbs you've been depends upon how many carbs you've been depends upon how many carbs you've been eating what are your glycogen stores eating what are your glycogen stores eating what are your glycogen stores like like you can get into ketosis Faster by using you can get into ketosis Faster by using you can get into ketosis Faster by using up glucose via cold exposure or if up glucose via cold exposure or if up glucose via cold exposure or if you're just looking for a little Ketone you're just looking for a little Ketone you're just looking for a little Ketone boost without switching all the way over boost without switching all the way over boost without switching all the way over into ketosis get in the cold you get into ketosis get in the cold you get into ketosis get in the cold you get some ketones you'll use them up and some ketones you'll use them up and some ketones you'll use them up and that's okay another way is to take that's okay another way is to take that's okay another way is to take exogenous ketones you can buy them and exogenous ketones you can buy them and exogenous ketones you can buy them and they'll get into your bloodstream you'll they'll get into your bloodstream you'll they'll get into your bloodstream you'll use those up so it's a similar kind of use those up so it's a similar kind of use those up so it's a similar kind of thing thing thing um um in the areas of brown fat mainly would in the areas of brown fat mainly would in the areas of brown fat mainly would be like the nape of the neck ballet and be like the nape of the neck ballet and be like the nape of the neck ballet and you said I said around the chest why do you said I said around the chest why do you said I said around the chest why do you say the belly you say the belly you say the belly I was just asking I was just asking I was just asking no not so much we got a good no not so much we got a good no not so much we got a good um scan on our website that somebody did um scan on our website that somebody did um scan on our website that somebody did uh it's the Pet Scan and um it's the the uh it's the Pet Scan and um it's the the uh it's the Pet Scan and um it's the the feature image on an article called ice feature image on an article called ice feature image on an article called ice bath science facts myths and Mysteries

1:29bath science facts myths and Mysteries bath science facts myths and Mysteries and it shows where the brown fat lights and it shows where the brown fat lights and it shows where the brown fat lights up up up um in the pet scan so you're gonna see um in the pet scan so you're gonna see um in the pet scan so you're gonna see it uh the base of the neck around the it uh the base of the neck around the it uh the base of the neck around the clavicles a little bit around the heart clavicles a little bit around the heart clavicles a little bit around the heart but it's not a belly thing it's not down but it's not a belly thing it's not down but it's not a belly thing it's not down where the white fat accumulates and it where the white fat accumulates and it where the white fat accumulates and it makes sense the brown fat is gonna be as makes sense the brown fat is gonna be as makes sense the brown fat is gonna be as close to the organs that need the heat close to the organs that need the heat close to the organs that need the heat as you can get it so what needs the heat as you can get it so what needs the heat as you can get it so what needs the heat your heart your brain well I guess if your heart your brain well I guess if your heart your brain well I guess if you could surround the brain with brown you could surround the brain with brown you could surround the brain with brown fat you know wouldn't that be great but fat you know wouldn't that be great but fat you know wouldn't that be great but you can't all you can do is put it on you can't all you can do is put it on you can't all you can do is put it on the blood vessels that take blood up to the blood vessels that take blood up to the blood vessels that take blood up to the brain so that's what your body does the brain so that's what your body does the brain so that's what your body does it's going to put it put the brown fat it's going to put it put the brown fat it's going to put it put the brown fat on the most vital organs and your belly on the most vital organs and your belly on the most vital organs and your belly just ain't it just ain't it just ain't it [Music]

1:30we were talking earlier and what you were saying kind of made a what you were saying kind of made a what you were saying kind of made a whole lot of sense where right now we're whole lot of sense where right now we're whole lot of sense where right now we're living very very confidently we are living very very confidently we are living very very confidently we are adapted to like needs a cold but we just adapted to like needs a cold but we just adapted to like needs a cold but we just don't have it anymore so I'm in Florida don't have it anymore so I'm in Florida don't have it anymore so I'm in Florida it never gets cold down here tap water it never gets cold down here tap water it never gets cold down here tap water even in the shower is not going to get even in the shower is not going to get even in the shower is not going to get very cold very cold very cold and you mentioning uh the brown fat and you mentioning uh the brown fat and you mentioning uh the brown fat being the biggest source of thyroid being the biggest source of thyroid being the biggest source of thyroid hormone hormone hormone it's it's kind of just very enlightening to see kind of just very enlightening to see kind of just very enlightening to see like like it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that we're missing so much it's not that we're missing so much it's not that we're missing so much thing it's like we're thing it's like we're thing it's like we're we're just well I mean we're not living we're just well I mean we're not living we're just well I mean we're not living how we should I know that's correct yep how we should I know that's correct yep how we should I know that's correct yep it's really not that hard to get back to an optimal Level Health

1:31well yeah what is our cheapest ice bath well yeah what is our cheapest ice bath like ten thousand dollars not everybody like ten thousand dollars not everybody like ten thousand dollars not everybody has that has that has that I mean I mean you could say so that I mean I mean you could say so that I mean I mean you could say so that makes it difficult makes it difficult makes it difficult um and not everybody um and not everybody um and not everybody needs to do it every day like I do get needs to do it every day like I do get needs to do it every day like I do get some some some I was talking to Joe Mercola you know he I was talking to Joe Mercola you know he I was talking to Joe Mercola you know he runs the most popular biohacking all runs the most popular biohacking all runs the most popular biohacking all medicine webs FDA hates him and he's medicine webs FDA hates him and he's medicine webs FDA hates him and he's like yeah I'm pretty good with the like yeah I'm pretty good with the like yeah I'm pretty good with the amount of cold exposure I got in my life amount of cold exposure I got in my life amount of cold exposure I got in my life Tom Tom Tom um you know Atlantic Ocean's right there um you know Atlantic Ocean's right there um you know Atlantic Ocean's right there he lives in Florida too and I want to he lives in Florida too and I want to he lives in Florida too and I want to say like no Joe that's not cold enough say like no Joe that's not cold enough say like no Joe that's not cold enough for you you know but he's content and for you you know but he's content and for you you know but he's content and he's in good shape so I'm I'm not gonna he's in good shape so I'm I'm not gonna he's in good shape so I'm I'm not gonna like you know no coercion every once in like you know no coercion every once in like you know no coercion every once in a while a while a while you want to fill up your bathtub with you want to fill up your bathtub with you want to fill up your bathtub with some ice get it down to 50 degrees get some ice get it down to 50 degrees get some ice get it down to 50 degrees get in there two four or five minutes it's in there two four or five minutes it's in there two four or five minutes it's going to make a huge difference going to make a huge difference going to make a huge difference you know how they say with exercise 20

1:32you know how they say with exercise 20 you know how they say with exercise 20 minutes a week you know there's the minutes a week you know there's the minutes a week you know there's the difference between somebody who gets no difference between somebody who gets no difference between somebody who gets no exercise and here's somebody who goes exercise and here's somebody who goes exercise and here's somebody who goes for a walk 20 minutes and it's like a for a walk 20 minutes and it's like a for a walk 20 minutes and it's like a huge benefit most people are so far huge benefit most people are so far huge benefit most people are so far behind the curve that a little bit will behind the curve that a little bit will behind the curve that a little bit will do them a world of good now me do them a world of good now me do them a world of good now me I I'm trying the crazy stuff like I I'm trying the crazy stuff like I I'm trying the crazy stuff like um how do I get my biological age down um how do I get my biological age down um how do I get my biological age down into the 20s you know how do I get my into the 20s you know how do I get my into the 20s you know how do I get my testosterone up over 1200. part of the testosterone up over 1200. part of the testosterone up over 1200. part of the the role in society the role in society the role in society of the artist of the artist of the artist is to have the experiences that the rest is to have the experiences that the rest is to have the experiences that the rest of the people don't want to have you of the people don't want to have you of the people don't want to have you know the artist is going to go out and know the artist is going to go out and know the artist is going to go out and do this crazy stuff do this crazy stuff do this crazy stuff or the stunt man or the stunt man or the stunt man and then people are going to be like wow and then people are going to be like wow and then people are going to be like wow that's really cool I wonder how that that's really cool I wonder how that that's really cool I wonder how that works out for him you know they want to works out for him you know they want to works out for him you know they want to watch the tightrope Walker and if he's watch the tightrope Walker and if he's watch the tightrope Walker and if he's not you know suspended over Niagara not you know suspended over Niagara not you know suspended over Niagara Falls nobody watches a typo Walker on

1:33Falls nobody watches a typo Walker on Falls nobody watches a typo Walker on the parking lot because that's not the parking lot because that's not the parking lot because that's not exciting they want to watch the danger exciting they want to watch the danger exciting they want to watch the danger so part of the job of the artist is to so part of the job of the artist is to so part of the job of the artist is to go have experiences that other people go have experiences that other people go have experiences that other people don't want to have and then interpret don't want to have and then interpret don't want to have and then interpret them for the rest of us this is what them for the rest of us this is what them for the rest of us this is what happens when I do this right we don't happens when I do this right we don't happens when I do this right we don't think of scientists in this way think of scientists in this way think of scientists in this way part of the job of the scientist is to part of the job of the scientist is to part of the job of the scientist is to go investigate the things that other go investigate the things that other go investigate the things that other people either don't want to because it's people either don't want to because it's people either don't want to because it's too risky or too expensive or too risky or too expensive or too risky or too expensive or um don't have the expertise to and um don't have the expertise to and um don't have the expertise to and report back to the rest of us what report back to the rest of us what report back to the rest of us what happens when so you know we experiment happens when so you know we experiment happens when so you know we experiment on animals we what happens when you on animals we what happens when you on animals we what happens when you implant colorectal tumors in mice and implant colorectal tumors in mice and implant colorectal tumors in mice and then you store you house some of them at then you store you house some of them at then you store you house some of them at four degrees Centigrade versus 30 four degrees Centigrade versus 30 four degrees Centigrade versus 30 degrees centigrade and you measure the degrees centigrade and you measure the degrees centigrade and you measure the growth of the tumors oh you find out the growth of the tumors oh you find out the growth of the tumors oh you find out the four degree Centigrade inhibits tumor four degree Centigrade inhibits tumor four degree Centigrade inhibits tumor growth that's the scientist's job go

1:34growth that's the scientist's job go growth that's the scientist's job go create the knowledge that nobody I mean create the knowledge that nobody I mean create the knowledge that nobody I mean people aren't necessarily asking for people aren't necessarily asking for people aren't necessarily asking for that but now that you've done it that but now that you've done it that but now that you've done it report it back to the rest of the world report it back to the rest of the world report it back to the rest of the world so I'm living somewhere between the so I'm living somewhere between the so I'm living somewhere between the artist and the scientist uh it is my job artist and the scientist uh it is my job artist and the scientist uh it is my job to do crazy stuff and report back to you to do crazy stuff and report back to you to do crazy stuff and report back to you how that worked out for me it is not my how that worked out for me it is not my how that worked out for me it is not my job to tell you or job to tell you or job to tell you or you know the mother of your child for you know the mother of your child for you know the mother of your child for that matter what to do that matter what to do that matter what to do however I'm also a professor I give however I'm also a professor I give however I'm also a professor I give homework and reading assignments so I homework and reading assignments so I homework and reading assignments so I want you to get a pregnancy childbirth want you to get a pregnancy childbirth want you to get a pregnancy childbirth in the newborn in the newborn in the newborn foreign that's my job James I graduated in 2013. that's my job James I graduated in 2013. I didn't know I'd be back in classroom I didn't know I'd be back in classroom I didn't know I'd be back in classroom no we're our students for life no we're our students for life no we're our students for life absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely so so you have uh self-actual engineering you have uh self-actual engineering you have uh self-actual engineering would you mind explaining a little bit

1:35would you mind explaining a little bit would you mind explaining a little bit what that is what that is what that is yeah I'm glad you asked um because I yeah I'm glad you asked um because I yeah I'm glad you asked um because I reached a point in my career as a reached a point in my career as a reached a point in my career as a research engineer research engineer research engineer um I started environmental engineering I um I started environmental engineering I um I started environmental engineering I went to sustainability and resilience went to sustainability and resilience went to sustainability and resilience turned out to be kind of an important turned out to be kind of an important turned out to be kind of an important thing especially after Katrina I'm a thing especially after Katrina I'm a thing especially after Katrina I'm a civil engineer about the infrastructure civil engineer about the infrastructure civil engineer about the infrastructure so why do we have to have Katrina why so why do we have to have Katrina why so why do we have to have Katrina why can't we why do we have to have can't we why do we have to have can't we why do we have to have blackouts why our infrastructure is blackouts why our infrastructure is blackouts why our infrastructure is failing us failing us failing us so I started getting into resilience now so I started getting into resilience now so I started getting into resilience now resilience is how to adapt under resilience is how to adapt under resilience is how to adapt under conditions of stress so it could be conditions of stress so it could be conditions of stress so it could be recovering from the Wildfire recovering recovering from the Wildfire recovering recovering from the Wildfire recovering from the blackout recovering from the from the blackout recovering from the from the blackout recovering from the earthquake whatever it is that's one way earthquake whatever it is that's one way earthquake whatever it is that's one way of adapting of adapting of adapting but another way is but another way is but another way is um it's not necessarily a disaster or an um it's not necessarily a disaster or an um it's not necessarily a disaster or an acute event but it's like a chronic uh acute event but it's like a chronic uh acute event but it's like a chronic uh slow moving slow moving slow moving um it could be something that requires um it could be something that requires um it could be something that requires at a continuous process of adaptation so

1:36at a continuous process of adaptation so at a continuous process of adaptation so I started studying what are called the I started studying what are called the I started studying what are called the near misses the ones me and my student near misses the ones me and my student near misses the ones me and my student at the time we got sick of studying at the time we got sick of studying at the time we got sick of studying disasters we're like what about the disasters we're like what about the disasters we're like what about the disasters that didn't happen what are disasters that didn't happen what are disasters that didn't happen what are the positive case studies of successful the positive case studies of successful the positive case studies of successful adaptation we got into the Oroville Dam adaptation we got into the Oroville Dam adaptation we got into the Oroville Dam tallest earthend dam in the world at the tallest earthend dam in the world at the tallest earthend dam in the world at the time it was built it's in California time it was built it's in California time it was built it's in California and a damn near failed there would have and a damn near failed there would have and a damn near failed there would have been 30 feet of water in Sacramento if been 30 feet of water in Sacramento if been 30 feet of water in Sacramento if the Oroville Dam had collapsed but it the Oroville Dam had collapsed but it the Oroville Dam had collapsed but it didn't collapse why not didn't collapse why not didn't collapse why not well all these positive case studies the well all these positive case studies the well all these positive case studies the answer turned out to be human Ingenuity answer turned out to be human Ingenuity answer turned out to be human Ingenuity creativity new ideas and a willingness creativity new ideas and a willingness creativity new ideas and a willingness to change in the face of extreme to change in the face of extreme to change in the face of extreme circumstances circumstances circumstances and I was like well isn't that and I was like well isn't that and I was like well isn't that interesting interesting interesting The Source the ultimate source of all The Source the ultimate source of all The Source the ultimate source of all adaptive capacity is human ingenuity adaptive capacity is human ingenuity adaptive capacity is human ingenuity so we started studying organizations and so we started studying organizations and so we started studying organizations and people and this is at this time in my people and this is at this time in my people and this is at this time in my life where I'm doing you know my Mike

1:37life where I'm doing you know my Mike life where I'm doing you know my Mike cernovich showers and I'm trying to cernovich showers and I'm trying to cernovich showers and I'm trying to figure out how am I going to survive figure out how am I going to survive figure out how am I going to survive divorce how am I going to change as a divorce how am I going to change as a divorce how am I going to change as a human being and I got really into human being and I got really into human being and I got really into psychological resilience psychological resilience psychological resilience so you think about Maslow Maslow so you think about Maslow Maslow so you think about Maslow Maslow probably the most well-known American probably the most well-known American probably the most well-known American psychologist ever psychologist ever psychologist ever BF Skinner who trains pigeons how to BF Skinner who trains pigeons how to BF Skinner who trains pigeons how to play ping pong you know and then there's play ping pong you know and then there's play ping pong you know and then there's Maslow who tries to help people get Maslow who tries to help people get Maslow who tries to help people get better better better and Maslow has it's either famous or and Maslow has it's either famous or and Maslow has it's either famous or notorious depending upon your point of notorious depending upon your point of notorious depending upon your point of view his hierarchy of human motivations view his hierarchy of human motivations view his hierarchy of human motivations down at the bottom what do you got down at the bottom what do you got down at the bottom what do you got food food food shelter shelter shelter safety security this is where civil safety security this is where civil safety security this is where civil engineers work engineers work engineers work I'll get to clean water I'll get to clean water I'll get to clean water I'll get you a safe house to live in I'll get you a safe house to live in I'll get you a safe house to live in civil engineers I've been down at the civil engineers I've been down at the civil engineers I've been down at the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy like my bottom of Maslow's hierarchy like my bottom of Maslow's hierarchy like my whole career well whole career well whole career well you know what comes above that

1:38you know what comes above that you know what comes above that um let's say it's sensitive belonging um let's say it's sensitive belonging um let's say it's sensitive belonging let's say it's let's say it's let's say it's self-esteem and what did he put up at self-esteem and what did he put up at self-esteem and what did he put up at the top he put self-actualization well this gets interesting I was asked by the Army Corps to do a I was asked by the Army Corps to do a talk on Cyber and hybrid attacks like talk on Cyber and hybrid attacks like talk on Cyber and hybrid attacks like not all of the disasters or what they not all of the disasters or what they not all of the disasters or what they call Kinetic you know they're not all call Kinetic you know they're not all call Kinetic you know they're not all working at the level of infrastructure working at the level of infrastructure working at the level of infrastructure when you talk about cyber attacks when you talk about cyber attacks when you talk about cyber attacks there's an infrastructure component but there's an infrastructure component but there's an infrastructure component but when you talk about propaganda and when you talk about propaganda and when you talk about propaganda and misinformation that's not working at misinformation that's not working at misinformation that's not working at this level of infrastructure you want this level of infrastructure you want this level of infrastructure you want all the fiber optic cables and all the all the fiber optic cables and all the all the fiber optic cables and all the servers up so that your propaganda servers up so that your propaganda servers up so that your propaganda message can get out there you know via message can get out there you know via message can get out there you know via Facebook or whatever and reach the Facebook or whatever and reach the Facebook or whatever and reach the public you're operating at this higher public you're operating at this higher public you're operating at this higher level level level um well Maslow had a sense of belonging um well Maslow had a sense of belonging um well Maslow had a sense of belonging and self-esteem it turns out way down at

1:39and self-esteem it turns out way down at and self-esteem it turns out way down at the bottom you got Freud Freud's like the bottom you got Freud Freud's like the bottom you got Freud Freud's like people are motivated by the Pleasure people are motivated by the Pleasure people are motivated by the Pleasure Principle it's all food and sex and a Principle it's all food and sex and a Principle it's all food and sex and a good cigar you know good cigar you know good cigar you know but then a little higher up there's but then a little higher up there's but then a little higher up there's another Viennese psychologist Adler another Viennese psychologist Adler another Viennese psychologist Adler Adler is like no it's not it's about Adler is like no it's not it's about Adler is like no it's not it's about power people are motivated about power power people are motivated about power power people are motivated about power over other people Maslow comes along and over other people Maslow comes along and over other people Maslow comes along and he says look all this is good you know he says look all this is good you know he says look all this is good you know this stuff's got to get taken care of this stuff's got to get taken care of this stuff's got to get taken care of your Social relationships where you fit your Social relationships where you fit your Social relationships where you fit in society the social hierarchy of Life in society the social hierarchy of Life in society the social hierarchy of Life all that Pleasure Principle stuff that all that Pleasure Principle stuff that all that Pleasure Principle stuff that Freud goes in it's all good but really Freud goes in it's all good but really Freud goes in it's all good but really up here he goes self-actualization up here he goes self-actualization up here he goes self-actualization people people people want to become more of themselves want to become more of themselves want to become more of themselves whatever that is whatever that is whatever that is well Maslow wrote his hierarchy of human well Maslow wrote his hierarchy of human well Maslow wrote his hierarchy of human motivation in 1943 and guess who was motivation in 1943 and guess who was motivation in 1943 and guess who was rotten in a concentration camp in Nazi rotten in a concentration camp in Nazi rotten in a concentration camp in Nazi Germany in 1943 another Viennese Germany in 1943 another Viennese Germany in 1943 another Viennese psychologist named Victor Frankel and psychologist named Victor Frankel and psychologist named Victor Frankel and when Victor Frankl was liberated from when Victor Frankl was liberated from when Victor Frankl was liberated from the Concentration Camp he recreated the

1:40the Concentration Camp he recreated the the Concentration Camp he recreated the book that he was working on when he was book that he was working on when he was book that he was working on when he was whatever the word is you know arrested whatever the word is you know arrested whatever the word is you know arrested we recreated that remembering finished we recreated that remembering finished we recreated that remembering finished it they published it and it included it they published it and it included it they published it and it included um later in his book Man's Search for um later in his book Man's Search for um later in his book Man's Search for meaning Memoirs of his time in the meaning Memoirs of his time in the meaning Memoirs of his time in the concentration camp frankly said concentration camp frankly said concentration camp frankly said man can suffer any deprivation man can suffer any deprivation man can suffer any deprivation as long as he has a reason why as long as he has a reason why as long as he has a reason why Frankl says you don't need food you Frankl says you don't need food you Frankl says you don't need food you don't need water you don't need shelter don't need water you don't need shelter don't need water you don't need shelter you don't need security not be you don't you don't need security not be you don't you don't need security not be you don't need the sense of belongings esteem and need the sense of belongings esteem and need the sense of belongings esteem and all that stuff as long as you have a all that stuff as long as you have a all that stuff as long as you have a reason to persist to endure all the reason to persist to endure all the reason to persist to endure all the hardships at the bottom of the pyramid hardships at the bottom of the pyramid hardships at the bottom of the pyramid now for him he's a religious man now for him he's a religious man now for him he's a religious man he was persecuted he watched his family he was persecuted he watched his family he was persecuted he watched his family bit murdered for his religion bit murdered for his religion bit murdered for his religion and he kept

1:41and he kept and he kept according to his own account according to his own account according to his own account his the meaning of his life while he was his the meaning of his life while he was his the meaning of his life while he was in the concentration camp and he credits in the concentration camp and he credits in the concentration camp and he credits that with getting him through and now that with getting him through and now that with getting him through and now he's sharing at the world he's sharing at the world he's sharing at the world Freud is right Freud is right Freud is right pleasure motivates people Adler is Right pleasure motivates people Adler is Right pleasure motivates people Adler is Right power motivates people Maslow is right power motivates people Maslow is right power motivates people Maslow is right the sense of Mastery of like of having a the sense of Mastery of like of having a the sense of Mastery of like of having a purpose and becoming something larger purpose and becoming something larger purpose and becoming something larger better and Frankel better and Frankel better and Frankel changed my whole career I don't want to changed my whole career I don't want to changed my whole career I don't want to be about clean water anymore be about clean water anymore be about clean water anymore I want to be about meaning because it is I want to be about meaning because it is I want to be about meaning because it is meaning that allows people to take meaning that allows people to take meaning that allows people to take whatever the stress is and turn it into whatever the stress is and turn it into whatever the stress is and turn it into creativity and Ingenuity and become creativity and Ingenuity and become creativity and Ingenuity and become stronger so I started with this phrase stronger so I started with this phrase stronger so I started with this phrase self-actual engineering because I was so self-actual engineering because I was so self-actual engineering because I was so into Maslow and um and I haven't thought into Maslow and um and I haven't thought into Maslow and um and I haven't thought of a a better one of a a better one of a a better one the point is the point is the point is I don't want to be the engineer that I don't want to be the engineer that I don't want to be the engineer that works at the bottom of the hierarchy works at the bottom of the hierarchy works at the bottom of the hierarchy anymore I want to work at the top how do anymore I want to work at the top how do anymore I want to work at the top how do I help you how do I help other people

1:42I help you how do I help other people I help you how do I help other people become better versions of themselves so become better versions of themselves so become better versions of themselves so that they can pursue more meaningful that they can pursue more meaningful that they can pursue more meaningful lives and this is going to hit you in lives and this is going to hit you in lives and this is going to hit you in September your child is going to be born September your child is going to be born September your child is going to be born and whatever you thought your mission in and whatever you thought your mission in and whatever you thought your mission in life was life was life was is gonna be Rewritten is going to be is gonna be Rewritten is going to be is gonna be Rewritten is going to be challenged I'm hoping this for you right challenged I'm hoping this for you right challenged I'm hoping this for you right and you're going to have a new purpose and you're going to have a new purpose and you're going to have a new purpose and some part of you might say I need to and some part of you might say I need to and some part of you might say I need to be a better person so I can be a better be a better person so I can be a better be a better person so I can be a better father I need to better be a better father I need to better be a better father I need to better be a better person so I could be a better example I person so I could be a better example I person so I could be a better example I need to be a better you know whatever it need to be a better you know whatever it need to be a better you know whatever it is because all of a sudden the is because all of a sudden the is because all of a sudden the consequences of who you are have just consequences of who you are have just consequences of who you are have just taken on brand new meaning I need to get taken on brand new meaning I need to get taken on brand new meaning I need to get my [ __ ] together and resolve my stuff my [ __ ] together and resolve my stuff my [ __ ] together and resolve my stuff because if I don't I'm just going to because if I don't I'm just going to because if I don't I'm just going to wind up passing it on to my child wind up passing it on to my child wind up passing it on to my child and that's not my child's job hey kid and that's not my child's job hey kid and that's not my child's job hey kid after you become verbal could you maybe after you become verbal could you maybe after you become verbal could you maybe start working on my issues you know start working on my issues you know start working on my issues you know that's not your kid's job it is your job

1:43that's not your kid's job it is your job that's not your kid's job it is your job to get your [ __ ] in one bag I mean to be to get your [ __ ] in one bag I mean to be to get your [ __ ] in one bag I mean to be vulgar about it I'm using this like pop vulgar about it I'm using this like pop vulgar about it I'm using this like pop culture metaphor to resolve your issues culture metaphor to resolve your issues culture metaphor to resolve your issues so that your child doesn't have to deal so that your child doesn't have to deal so that your child doesn't have to deal with them for you with them for you with them for you self-actual engineering is about helping self-actual engineering is about helping self-actual engineering is about helping people do that people do that people do that I got plenty of colleagues there are I got plenty of colleagues there are I got plenty of colleagues there are other Engineers out there who are going other Engineers out there who are going other Engineers out there who are going to keep your lights on to keep your lights on to keep your lights on or you know who are gonna or you know who are gonna or you know who are gonna tell you how to make your drywall or you tell you how to make your drywall or you tell you how to make your drywall or you know whatever it is Engineers do a lot know whatever it is Engineers do a lot know whatever it is Engineers do a lot of great stuff of great stuff of great stuff foreign so foreign so foreign so where do you start and what do you think where do you start and what do you think where do you start and what do you think is preventing a lot of people from is preventing a lot of people from is preventing a lot of people from dealing with the [ __ ] dealing with the [ __ ] dealing with the [ __ ] I know that's a very bad question it's a I know that's a very bad question it's a I know that's a very bad question it's a really good question the first thing is really good question the first thing is really good question the first thing is misconceptions and lies that's where it misconceptions and lies that's where it misconceptions and lies that's where it starts starts starts um I'm gonna um I'm gonna um I'm gonna Twitter just locked me out again Twitter just locked me out again Twitter just locked me out again um um I say wrong things I say wrong things I say wrong things so they email me and they're so

1:44so they email me and they're so so they email me and they're so condescending they're like we understand condescending they're like we understand condescending they're like we understand in these difficult times that it's hard in these difficult times that it's hard in these difficult times that it's hard to sort out you know what's right from to sort out you know what's right from to sort out you know what's right from wrong when you're talking about certain wrong when you're talking about certain wrong when you're talking about certain sensitive subjects and so we're going to sensitive subjects and so we're going to sensitive subjects and so we're going to lock you out of your account for the lock you out of your account for the lock you out of your account for the next 12 hours while you think about it next 12 hours while you think about it next 12 hours while you think about it well I thought about it and I've been well I thought about it and I've been well I thought about it and I've been watching birth rates decline I've been watching birth rates decline I've been watching birth rates decline I've been watching miscarriages go up watching miscarriages go up watching miscarriages go up and uh you're done right Twitter I'm and uh you're done right Twitter I'm and uh you're done right Twitter I'm going to think more about it and they're going to think more about it and they're going to think more about it and they're probably going to lock me out again my probably going to lock me out again my probably going to lock me out again my girlfriend is suing them she's part of girlfriend is suing them she's part of girlfriend is suing them she's part of this big lawsuit because the social this big lawsuit because the social this big lawsuit because the social media companies have been colluding and media companies have been colluding and media companies have been colluding and responding the pressure of the federal responding the pressure of the federal responding the pressure of the federal government to violate First Amendment government to violate First Amendment government to violate First Amendment rights and the lawsuit's probably going rights and the lawsuit's probably going rights and the lawsuit's probably going to go somewhere but me I'm just locked to go somewhere but me I'm just locked to go somewhere but me I'm just locked out for 12 hours maybe because I put a out for 12 hours maybe because I put a out for 12 hours maybe because I put a question mark at the end of the sentence question mark at the end of the sentence question mark at the end of the sentence or something or something or something so I'm going to stick with something so I'm going to stick with something so I'm going to stick with something that's safe that's safe that's safe um seed oils are a lie

1:45um statins are a lie um statins are a lie most of what you've been taught what I most of what you've been taught what I most of what you've been taught what I was taught as a child when my mother was taught as a child when my mother was taught as a child when my mother raised me on were lies about diet raised me on were lies about diet raised me on were lies about diet nutrition the cholesterol hypothesis is nutrition the cholesterol hypothesis is nutrition the cholesterol hypothesis is a lie there is no such thing as the a lie there is no such thing as the a lie there is no such thing as the Mediterranean diet like what the hell Mediterranean diet like what the hell Mediterranean diet like what the hell what did you think that was pizza and what did you think that was pizza and what did you think that was pizza and red wine like the the Mediterranean in red wine like the the Mediterranean in red wine like the the Mediterranean in case you haven't noticed is a whole case you haven't noticed is a whole case you haven't noticed is a whole freaking ocean surrounded by the people freaking ocean surrounded by the people freaking ocean surrounded by the people with different cultures and languages with different cultures and languages with different cultures and languages and religious beliefs and different and religious beliefs and different and religious beliefs and different geographies in a different diet the geographies in a different diet the geographies in a different diet the Mediterranean diet is another lie it is Mediterranean diet is another lie it is Mediterranean diet is another lie it is a propaganda that was perpetrated by a propaganda that was perpetrated by a propaganda that was perpetrated by people who bought off prestigious people who bought off prestigious people who bought off prestigious universities so we have been raised with universities so we have been raised with universities so we have been raised with all these lies from the Department of all these lies from the Department of all these lies from the Department of Health and Human Services I'm just using Health and Human Services I'm just using Health and Human Services I'm just using as an example it was in my longevity as an example it was in my longevity as an example it was in my longevity talk according to the metrics of the talk according to the metrics of the talk according to the metrics of the Department of Health and Human Services

1:46Department of Health and Human Services Department of Health and Human Services according to their own measures people according to their own measures people according to their own measures people are eating better and exercising more so are eating better and exercising more so are eating better and exercising more so why did life expectancy go down before why did life expectancy go down before why did life expectancy go down before covet covet covet if we're doing a better job if we're doing a better job if we're doing a better job of eating our seed oils and getting the of eating our seed oils and getting the of eating our seed oils and getting the exercise that they tell us to get doing exercise that they tell us to get doing exercise that they tell us to get doing our cardio and stuff like that then why our cardio and stuff like that then why our cardio and stuff like that then why are we dying we spend seven billion are we dying we spend seven billion are we dying we spend seven billion dollars a year on cancer research and dollars a year on cancer research and dollars a year on cancer research and even more on health care more on health even more on health care more on health even more on health care more on health care per capita than any other country care per capita than any other country care per capita than any other country we spend more on health care per capita we spend more on health care per capita we spend more on health care per capita like up here every all the other like up here every all the other like up here every all the other countries here's our military spending countries here's our military spending countries here's our military spending here's our health care spending right here's our health care spending right here's our health care spending right relative to all other countries then why relative to all other countries then why relative to all other countries then why are we dying are we dying are we dying because their advice is a bunch of Lies because their advice is a bunch of Lies because their advice is a bunch of Lies so the first thing that holds people so the first thing that holds people so the first thing that holds people back from being a better version closer back from being a better version closer back from being a better version closer approximation of in their ideal self you approximation of in their ideal self you approximation of in their ideal self you know or the misconceptions and the lies know or the misconceptions and the lies know or the misconceptions and the lies that they've been told that they've been told that they've been told the harder you keep working on the thing the harder you keep working on the thing the harder you keep working on the thing and you're like oh if I just seed oil

1:47and you're like oh if I just seed oil and you're like oh if I just seed oil harder then I'm gonna get healthier harder then I'm gonna get healthier harder then I'm gonna get healthier when you see that you're working harder when you see that you're working harder when you see that you're working harder on something that keeps getting worse on something that keeps getting worse on something that keeps getting worse that's your first sign that you Harbor a that's your first sign that you Harbor a that's your first sign that you Harbor a serious misconception serious misconception serious misconception oh if I had only worn three masks then I oh if I had only worn three masks then I oh if I had only worn three masks then I wouldn't have tested positive for covid wouldn't have tested positive for covid wouldn't have tested positive for covid next time I'll put on a fourth the next time I'll put on a fourth the next time I'll put on a fourth the harder you work at something the worse harder you work at something the worse harder you work at something the worse it gets it's because you have a it gets it's because you have a it gets it's because you have a misconception about the way the world misconception about the way the world misconception about the way the world works and most of these misconceptions works and most of these misconceptions works and most of these misconceptions happen because you've been lied to so happen because you've been lied to so happen because you've been lied to so first thing you got to get out of the first thing you got to get out of the first thing you got to get out of the way way way the second thing is when the second thing is when the second thing is when even though you start working closer to even though you start working closer to even though you start working closer to the truth the truth the truth you still got a lot of trauma to go you still got a lot of trauma to go you still got a lot of trauma to go through not all your behavior is through not all your behavior is through not all your behavior is voluntary you're gonna do things and voluntary you're gonna do things and voluntary you're gonna do things and then I don't know someone's going to then I don't know someone's going to then I don't know someone's going to come along and say why do you keep come along and say why do you keep come along and say why do you keep sabotaging yourself you know if you just sabotaging yourself you know if you just sabotaging yourself you know if you just do this and you do but it's not that do this and you do but it's not that do this and you do but it's not that freaking easy because we are freaking easy because we are freaking easy because we are biologically hardwired by our unresolved biologically hardwired by our unresolved biologically hardwired by our unresolved trauma to do something Freud actually

1:48trauma to do something Freud actually trauma to do something Freud actually coined this term but to repeat the coined this term but to repeat the coined this term but to repeat the trauma it is a compulsion to repeat and trauma it is a compulsion to repeat and trauma it is a compulsion to repeat and there's a good evolutionary reason for there's a good evolutionary reason for there's a good evolutionary reason for it if you experience what's called a it if you experience what's called a it if you experience what's called a grizzly bear attack and you just barely grizzly bear attack and you just barely grizzly bear attack and you just barely live live live wouldn't you spend like the next year of wouldn't you spend like the next year of wouldn't you spend like the next year of your life training uh against grizzly your life training uh against grizzly your life training uh against grizzly bear attacks I mean you'd be like okay bear attacks I mean you'd be like okay bear attacks I mean you'd be like okay I'm gonna do this how do I do that and I'm gonna do this how do I do that and I'm gonna do this how do I do that and of course you would and then a year of course you would and then a year of course you would and then a year later you'd be like come on Grizzly I'm later you'd be like come on Grizzly I'm later you'd be like come on Grizzly I'm ready for you now you'd be Fearless in ready for you now you'd be Fearless in ready for you now you'd be Fearless in front of the because you resolved your front of the because you resolved your front of the because you resolved your trauma through rehearsal of the trauma trauma through rehearsal of the trauma trauma through rehearsal of the trauma you know what happened here what you know what happened here what you know what happened here what happened here what happened what could I happened here what happened what could I happened here what happened what could I have done differently by rehearsing it have done differently by rehearsing it have done differently by rehearsing it and replaying it reliving it you prepare and replaying it reliving it you prepare and replaying it reliving it you prepare yourself to confront it with confidence yourself to confront it with confidence yourself to confront it with confidence the next time the next time the next time we are biologically hardwired with the we are biologically hardwired with the we are biologically hardwired with the compulsion to repeat our traumas compulsion to repeat our traumas compulsion to repeat our traumas so so how does this show up how does this show up how does this show up if if if you experienced trauma in relation to a

1:49you experienced trauma in relation to a you experienced trauma in relation to a primary caregiver primary caregiver primary caregiver you mother the classic example for a man you mother the classic example for a man you mother the classic example for a man and it's unresolved and it's unresolved and it's unresolved you're going to carry that into your you're going to carry that into your you're going to carry that into your relationships as an adult and you're relationships as an adult and you're relationships as an adult and you're going to go around I'm going to going to go around I'm going to going to go around I'm going to exaggerate a little bit I'm going to exaggerate a little bit I'm going to exaggerate a little bit I'm going to dramatize it's not really an dramatize it's not really an dramatize it's not really an exaggeration but I'm going to dramatize exaggeration but I'm going to dramatize exaggeration but I'm going to dramatize and you're going to go up to that next and you're going to go up to that next and you're going to go up to that next girl you have really great chemistry girl you have really great chemistry girl you have really great chemistry with and you're going to be like hey with and you're going to be like hey with and you're going to be like hey would you mind if I replay episodes with would you mind if I replay episodes with would you mind if I replay episodes with my mother but now I'm in control and you my mother but now I'm in control and you my mother but now I'm in control and you know when I get that right then I'll let know when I get that right then I'll let know when I get that right then I'll let you know and everything and thank you you know and everything and thank you you know and everything and thank you very much it only takes three or four very much it only takes three or four very much it only takes three or four years years years she didn't sign up for that because she didn't sign up for that because she didn't sign up for that because she's got her own issues with her dad she's got her own issues with her dad she's got her own issues with her dad and she's like yes I understand what and she's like yes I understand what and she's like yes I understand what you're doing um but in the meantime you you're doing um but in the meantime you you're doing um but in the meantime you know my dad left me and um so I've been know my dad left me and um so I've been know my dad left me and um so I've been seeking a man that's just like my dad seeking a man that's just like my dad seeking a man that's just like my dad who's emotionally unavailable so that who's emotionally unavailable so that who's emotionally unavailable so that he'll leave me too and then they'll give he'll leave me too and then they'll give he'll leave me too and then they'll give me a chance to convince him to actually me a chance to convince him to actually me a chance to convince him to actually stay and when I figured all that out stay and when I figured all that out stay and when I figured all that out then my drop my trauma will be resolved

1:50then my drop my trauma will be resolved then my drop my trauma will be resolved then I probably won't need the guy then I probably won't need the guy then I probably won't need the guy anymore but if you wouldn't mind playing anymore but if you wouldn't mind playing anymore but if you wouldn't mind playing that role and we go through this in our that role and we go through this in our that role and we go through this in our primary relate this is we and we call it primary relate this is we and we call it primary relate this is we and we call it relationship chemistry relationship chemistry relationship chemistry totally just we fit so good you know we totally just we fit so good you know we totally just we fit so good you know we sure do because your trauma is speaking sure do because your trauma is speaking sure do because your trauma is speaking to mine to mine to mine you can ask me how I know James you can ask me how I know James you can ask me how I know James um um uh so I've done a lot of uh so I've done a lot of uh so I've done a lot of self-examination so the first thing is self-examination so the first thing is self-examination so the first thing is you got to get the lies out of the way you got to get the lies out of the way you got to get the lies out of the way the second thing is now that you're the second thing is now that you're the second thing is now that you're confronted with the truth which hurts confronted with the truth which hurts confronted with the truth which hurts the truth is actually going to be in the truth is actually going to be in the truth is actually going to be in here why do you do the things you do here why do you do the things you do here why do you do the things you do it's not because you're stupid it's not it's not because you're stupid it's not it's not because you're stupid it's not because you're irrational it's because because you're irrational it's because because you're irrational it's because you have an unmet emotional need you have an unmet emotional need you have an unmet emotional need and it's a real need you can't bury it I and it's a real need you can't bury it I and it's a real need you can't bury it I learned this from my wife's alcoholism learned this from my wife's alcoholism learned this from my wife's alcoholism and everything that I read about and everything that I read about and everything that I read about codependence and codependence and codependence and alcoholism addiction I'm going to be alcoholism addiction I'm going to be alcoholism addiction I'm going to be even more broad addiction is not the even more broad addiction is not the even more broad addiction is not the problem problem problem addiction is the addict's search for a addiction is the addict's search for a addiction is the addict's search for a solution if they weren't in pain they

1:51solution if they weren't in pain they solution if they weren't in pain they wouldn't be using wouldn't be using wouldn't be using and I'm like holy crap and I'm like holy crap and I'm like holy crap so when I started when I was thinking so when I started when I was thinking so when I started when I was thinking that her drinking was the problem what I that her drinking was the problem what I that her drinking was the problem what I really had to think about was really had to think about was really had to think about was why did I marry an alcoholic why did I marry an alcoholic why did I marry an alcoholic her drinking is not the problem her her drinking is not the problem her her drinking is not the problem her drinking was my solution drinking was my solution drinking was my solution I gotta figure out why some part of me I gotta figure out why some part of me I gotta figure out why some part of me thought ah she's perfect I got that that was alanon I got that that was alanon I only went to Alan on like three times I only went to Alan on like three times I only went to Alan on like three times but she's in a program I'm like I'm but she's in a program I'm like I'm but she's in a program I'm like I'm married to her I gotta go to Al-Anon and married to her I gotta go to Al-Anon and married to her I gotta go to Al-Anon and there were three very profound time there were three very profound time there were three very profound time first time I walk in there and um it first time I walk in there and um it first time I walk in there and um it doesn't really work the way mixed groups doesn't really work the way mixed groups doesn't really work the way mixed groups work I went to a men's group that was it work I went to a men's group that was it work I went to a men's group that was it just men when the women are there people just men when the women are there people just men when the women are there people are like nicer to one another more are like nicer to one another more are like nicer to one another more polite they don't challenge you but I've polite they don't challenge you but I've polite they don't challenge you but I've kind of I guess I'm full of pissing

1:52kind of I guess I'm full of pissing kind of I guess I'm full of pissing vinegar anyway so listen to my story and vinegar anyway so listen to my story and vinegar anyway so listen to my story and then one of the guys goes then one of the guys goes then one of the guys goes well you're an [ __ ] well you're an [ __ ] well you're an [ __ ] whoa why am I I'm not the one drinking whoa why am I I'm not the one drinking whoa why am I I'm not the one drinking you you your wife has been drinking since she your wife has been drinking since she your wife has been drinking since she was how old and I go maybe 17 and they was how old and I go maybe 17 and they was how old and I go maybe 17 and they go go go she's a brain damaged drunk and you're she's a brain damaged drunk and you're she's a brain damaged drunk and you're treating her like she's some kind of treating her like she's some kind of treating her like she's some kind of adult human being capable of making her adult human being capable of making her adult human being capable of making her own decisions you're an [ __ ] own decisions you're an [ __ ] own decisions you're an [ __ ] and I walked out of alanon and I was and I walked out of alanon and I was and I walked out of alanon and I was like holy [ __ ] I've got a brain damaged like holy [ __ ] I've got a brain damaged like holy [ __ ] I've got a brain damaged wife and I ask her well what do you want wife and I ask her well what do you want wife and I ask her well what do you want hon well what do you think is good for hon well what do you think is good for hon well what do you think is good for you well what are your needs you well what are your needs you well what are your needs she first of all she's developmentally she first of all she's developmentally she first of all she's developmentally stalled at the age when she started stalled at the age when she started stalled at the age when she started drinking that made sense to me but drinking that made sense to me but drinking that made sense to me but second of all her brain doesn't work second of all her brain doesn't work second of all her brain doesn't work because it's been damaged by years of because it's been damaged by years of because it's been damaged by years of drinking and she's got to be sober for drinking and she's got to be sober for drinking and she's got to be sober for like six six months get some supplements like six six months get some supplements like six six months get some supplements do something to get her brain online do something to get her brain online do something to get her brain online before a cogent thought is going to come before a cogent thought is going to come before a cogent thought is going to come up so that was like that was big so then up so that was like that was big so then up so that was like that was big so then I go back to Al-Anon months later I go back to Al-Anon months later I go back to Al-Anon months later because I have to space these events out because I have to space these events out because I have to space these events out you know and they go well

1:53you know and they go well you know and they go well you got to figure out what you're you got to figure out what you're you got to figure out what you're getting out of her drinking well what do getting out of her drinking well what do getting out of her drinking well what do you mean I'm not getting anything out of you mean I'm not getting anything out of you mean I'm not getting anything out of her drinking you know that's no I hate her drinking you know that's no I hate her drinking you know that's no I hate their dreams you got to figure out why their dreams you got to figure out why their dreams you got to figure out why you picked her and why drinking works you picked her and why drinking works you picked her and why drinking works for you for you for you damn Allen on so this is the truth phase damn Allen on so this is the truth phase damn Allen on so this is the truth phase right right um I was harboring misconceptions um I was harboring misconceptions um I was harboring misconceptions and the misconceptions were that it was and the misconceptions were that it was and the misconceptions were that it was her problem her problem her problem that I didn't have anything that I that I didn't have anything that I that I didn't have anything that I wasn't creating it I wasn't causing it I wasn't creating it I wasn't causing it I wasn't creating it I wasn't causing it I wasn't getting anything out of it the wasn't getting anything out of it the wasn't getting anything out of it the misconceptions were revealed now comes misconceptions were revealed now comes misconceptions were revealed now comes the really difficult or the truth was the really difficult or the truth was the really difficult or the truth was revealed the misconceptions were Cast revealed the misconceptions were Cast revealed the misconceptions were Cast Away now comes a really difficult thing Away now comes a really difficult thing Away now comes a really difficult thing about what was I getting out of the sex about what was I getting out of the sex about what was I getting out of the sex okay now I gotta figure that out I gotta okay now I gotta figure that out I gotta okay now I gotta figure that out I gotta figure out figure out figure out how to solve how to resolve my how to solve how to resolve my how to solve how to resolve my compulsions my obsessions my behavior compulsions my obsessions my behavior compulsions my obsessions my behavior which has real needs behind it which has real needs behind it which has real needs behind it without without without making my wife do something without making my wife do something without making my wife do something without having to count on her doing it for me

1:54having to count on her doing it for me having to count on her doing it for me God damn James that was really hard that God damn James that was really hard that God damn James that was really hard that was all before ice baths when ice baths was all before ice baths when ice baths was all before ice baths when ice baths came along it was practice for doing the came along it was practice for doing the came along it was practice for doing the really difficult thing like I know I can really difficult thing like I know I can really difficult thing like I know I can do this I just did six minutes in do this I just did six minutes in do this I just did six minutes in freezing cold water this is nothing you freezing cold water this is nothing you freezing cold water this is nothing you know now you can walk into Al-Anon they know now you can walk into Al-Anon they know now you can walk into Al-Anon they can tell me I'm an [ __ ] say I kind of can tell me I'm an [ __ ] say I kind of can tell me I'm an [ __ ] say I kind of suspected no and it'll be okay suspected no and it'll be okay suspected no and it'll be okay so the first thing so the first thing so the first thing the misconceptions have got to go and the misconceptions have got to go and the misconceptions have got to go and that's hard the second thing once the that's hard the second thing once the that's hard the second thing once the misconceptions are out of the way now misconceptions are out of the way now misconceptions are out of the way now you got to confront what your real needs you got to confront what your real needs you got to confront what your real needs are what your unresolved trauma is are what your unresolved trauma is are what your unresolved trauma is what's really driving your behavior what's really driving your behavior what's really driving your behavior without trying to bury it without trying to bury it without trying to bury it deny it deny it deny it blame it on other people that's really blame it on other people that's really blame it on other people that's really hard too I love how honest you are man and uh I love how honest you are man and uh were mirrors so if you want to go into were mirrors so if you want to go into were mirrors so if you want to go into like law of attraction or whatever it's like law of attraction or whatever it's

1:55like law of attraction or whatever it's like well you're seeing a reflection of like well you're seeing a reflection of like well you're seeing a reflection of yourself and the people that you're yourself and the people that you're yourself and the people that you're surrounding yourself with so surrounding yourself with so surrounding yourself with so I think one of the hardest things that I think one of the hardest things that I think one of the hardest things that people may not be willing to do is people may not be willing to do is people may not be willing to do is literally take a look in the mirror literally take a look in the mirror literally take a look in the mirror taking a look in the mirror before you taking a look in the mirror before you taking a look in the mirror before you actually walk out into this world actually walk out into this world actually walk out into this world because whatever you're internalizing is because whatever you're internalizing is because whatever you're internalizing is going to show up externally going to show up externally going to show up externally fascinating fascinating fascinating so one of the things that they teach you so one of the things that they teach you so one of the things that they teach you in AAA is to take a look around at your in AAA is to take a look around at your in AAA is to take a look around at your group group group find the people that you have some find the people that you have some find the people that you have some admiration for you don't have to admire admiration for you don't have to admire admiration for you don't have to admire everything about them but there's everything about them but there's everything about them but there's something about them that you admire and something about them that you admire and something about them that you admire and say I want some of that I want some of say I want some of that I want some of say I want some of that I want some of that I want some of that we need models that I want some of that we need models that I want some of that we need models we learn we don't learn through homework we learn we don't learn through homework we learn we don't learn through homework assignments maybe 20 we learn through assignments maybe 20 we learn through assignments maybe 20 we learn through homework assignments in the classroom homework assignments in the classroom homework assignments in the classroom and stuff like that what we learn is by and stuff like that what we learn is by and stuff like that what we learn is by watching models imitating them watching models imitating them watching models imitating them interacting with them seeing what they interacting with them seeing what they interacting with them seeing what they do trying it on for ourselves so do trying it on for ourselves so do trying it on for ourselves so um that's the approach now that I take

1:56um that's the approach now that I take um that's the approach now that I take to my science and to biohacking people to my science and to biohacking people to my science and to biohacking people need models so I'm not giving medical need models so I'm not giving medical need models so I'm not giving medical advice I'm not teaching people what to advice I'm not teaching people what to advice I'm not teaching people what to do but if you were to say well Tom what do but if you were to say well Tom what do but if you were to say well Tom what worked for you oh this is what I did I worked for you oh this is what I did I worked for you oh this is what I did I do my exercise after my ice bath and do my exercise after my ice bath and do my exercise after my ice bath and then I went to the lab and I told my then I went to the lab and I told my then I went to the lab and I told my testosterone went through there's an testosterone went through there's an testosterone went through there's an experiment you could run to see if it experiment you could run to see if it experiment you could run to see if it works for you it's no guarantee because works for you it's no guarantee because works for you it's no guarantee because everybody's different and it's not a everybody's different and it's not a everybody's different and it's not a prescription prescription prescription I am I am I am an example and people can say well I an example and people can say well I an example and people can say well I want some of that or they might look at want some of that or they might look at want some of that or they might look at me and say me and say me and say he what is he doing running a wellness he what is he doing running a wellness he what is he doing running a wellness company that guy last time he reported company that guy last time he reported company that guy last time he reported his body fat it was 24 percent his body fat it was 24 percent his body fat it was 24 percent screw that I'm gonna go follow some guy screw that I'm gonna go follow some guy screw that I'm gonna go follow some guy who's at eight percent and looks great who's at eight percent and looks great who's at eight percent and looks great on Instagram because on Instagram because on Instagram because well okay well okay well okay maybe that's not what you admire about maybe that's not what you admire about maybe that's not what you admire about me maybe you're like I want some of this me maybe you're like I want some of this me maybe you're like I want some of this but not that that's okay then you can go but not that that's okay then you can go but not that that's okay then you can go over and you can watch what Ben

1:57over and you can watch what Ben over and you can watch what Ben Greenfield does eat like him exercise Greenfield does eat like him exercise Greenfield does eat like him exercise like him and be ripped you know like Ben like him and be ripped you know like Ben like him and be ripped you know like Ben and it's not gonna hurt my feelings I and it's not gonna hurt my feelings I and it's not gonna hurt my feelings I watch what he does and I start thinking watch what he does and I start thinking watch what he does and I start thinking maybe some of that curcumin I don't even maybe some of that curcumin I don't even maybe some of that curcumin I don't even know what it is you know like know what it is you know like know what it is you know like I'll figure it out I'm happy I don't I'll figure it out I'm happy I don't I'll figure it out I'm happy I don't weigh 249. they weigh 249. they weigh 249. they I've kept that part off I've kept that part off I've kept that part off so if I'm reminding myself I'm in a so if I'm reminding myself I'm in a so if I'm reminding myself I'm in a competition with me so far I'm doing competition with me so far I'm doing competition with me so far I'm doing great great great it doesn't stop me from watching other it doesn't stop me from watching other it doesn't stop me from watching other people and saying I'd like some of that people and saying I'd like some of that people and saying I'd like some of that I'd like to learn from that guy I wonder I'd like to learn from that guy I wonder I'd like to learn from that guy I wonder what he's doing those kinds of things what he's doing those kinds of things what he's doing those kinds of things yeah yeah yeah [Music] [Music] so last question that I kind of want to so last question that I kind of want to so last question that I kind of want to ask especially since you just only been ask especially since you just only been ask especially since you just only been like six hours like six hours like six hours I'll chop it up and I'll make it seem I'll chop it up and I'll make it seem I'll chop it up and I'll make it seem cohesive somehow yeah yeah cohesive somehow yeah yeah cohesive somehow yeah yeah uh and maybe a personal question but uh and maybe a personal question but uh and maybe a personal question but I know that when I was dealing with a I know that when I was dealing with a I know that when I was dealing with a lot of uh my [ __ ] and realizing at

1:58lot of uh my [ __ ] and realizing at lot of uh my [ __ ] and realizing at certain point that I was using alcohol certain point that I was using alcohol certain point that I was using alcohol and I was an [ __ ] in creating a lot and I was an [ __ ] in creating a lot and I was an [ __ ] in creating a lot of problems in my life uh what helped me of problems in my life uh what helped me of problems in my life uh what helped me out was out was out was psilocybin so do you believe that there psilocybin so do you believe that there psilocybin so do you believe that there is a way that we can kind of get to This is a way that we can kind of get to This is a way that we can kind of get to This Clean Slate where everyone Clean Slate where everyone Clean Slate where everyone I'm just throwing it out there where I'm just throwing it out there where I'm just throwing it out there where everyone has completely resolved all of everyone has completely resolved all of everyone has completely resolved all of their trauma and what would that even their trauma and what would that even their trauma and what would that even look like look like look like look at that question yeah because I look at that question yeah because I look at that question yeah because I talk a lot about trauma sorry go ahead talk a lot about trauma sorry go ahead talk a lot about trauma sorry go ahead I'll say without I'll say without I'll say without the necessity for plant medicine the necessity for plant medicine the necessity for plant medicine can we do that naturally what would that can we do that naturally what would that can we do that naturally what would that take yeah Ben Greenfield has decided I take yeah Ben Greenfield has decided I take yeah Ben Greenfield has decided I think if I'm remembering his post think if I'm remembering his post think if I'm remembering his post correctly that um he's off all of the correctly that um he's off all of the correctly that um he's off all of the neurological modifiers like he's just I neurological modifiers like he's just I neurological modifiers like he's just I I don't know he has a list and I don't I don't know he has a list and I don't I don't know he has a list and I don't remember what's on it but he's not doing remember what's on it but he's not doing remember what's on it but he's not doing it anymore and um it anymore and um it anymore and um I'm not going to tell Ben Greenfield I'm not going to tell Ben Greenfield I'm not going to tell Ben Greenfield what to do or what not to do uh at the

1:59what to do or what not to do uh at the what to do or what not to do uh at the time that he was he thought that there time that he was he thought that there time that he was he thought that there was some value was some value was some value um but I've noticed that people go back um but I've noticed that people go back um but I've noticed that people go back you know when you're doing your seventh you know when you're doing your seventh you know when you're doing your seventh ayahuasca ayahuasca ayahuasca I have questions like if it's a I have questions like if it's a I have questions like if it's a life-changing experience how many lives life-changing experience how many lives life-changing experience how many lives are you living I've never done it I'm are you living I've never done it I'm are you living I've never done it I'm you know maybe this much experience with you know maybe this much experience with you know maybe this much experience with half a mushroom like I don't half a mushroom like I don't half a mushroom like I don't so I go places in my imagination so I go places in my imagination so I go places in my imagination without without maybe I'm just afraid of um the maybe I'm just afraid of um the maybe I'm just afraid of um the psychotropics I read Michael pollan's psychotropics I read Michael pollan's psychotropics I read Michael pollan's book you know but that didn't Stoke my book you know but that didn't Stoke my book you know but that didn't Stoke my curiosity so I'm not speaking from curiosity so I'm not speaking from curiosity so I'm not speaking from personal experience I'm speaking more personal experience I'm speaking more personal experience I'm speaking more from from from um um questions if you're able to use questions if you're able to use questions if you're able to use psychedelics psychotropics psychedelics psychotropics psychedelics psychotropics um and you and we believe the reports

2:00um and you and we believe the reports um and you and we believe the reports that people have of going deep into that people have of going deep into that people have of going deep into their Journey confronting in their you their Journey confronting in their you their Journey confronting in their you know imagination the traumas however know imagination the traumas however know imagination the traumas however they embodied or however they appear they embodied or however they appear they embodied or however they appear um to them and feeling that resolution um to them and feeling that resolution um to them and feeling that resolution I'm not going to argue with that because I'm not going to argue with that because I'm not going to argue with that because that sounds like a wonderful experience that sounds like a wonderful experience that sounds like a wonderful experience the question is what happens when they the question is what happens when they the question is what happens when they re-enter the world re-enter the world re-enter the world because if they're back in their because if they're back in their because if they're back in their their old relationships their old job their old relationships their old job their old relationships their old job their old environment their old environment their old environment the question is it possible that they've the question is it possible that they've the question is it possible that they've wiped a lot of the Slate clean wiped a lot of the Slate clean wiped a lot of the Slate clean and that they and that they and that they re-enter an environment that replaces re-enter an environment that replaces re-enter an environment that replaces like the the old grooves you know get like the the old grooves you know get like the the old grooves you know get relayed by familiar experiences and they relayed by familiar experiences and they relayed by familiar experiences and they may be overconfident when they re-enter may be overconfident when they re-enter may be overconfident when they re-enter they're like oh I should totally call my

2:01they're like oh I should totally call my they're like oh I should totally call my mother now you know it'll be fine and mother now you know it'll be fine and mother now you know it'll be fine and I'm I don't know why I'm picking on moms I'm I don't know why I'm picking on moms I'm I don't know why I'm picking on moms but you get the point like we can go but you get the point like we can go but you get the point like we can go back to some of those back to some of those back to some of those um events that will uh um events that will uh um events that will uh lay down the same ruts that we went into lay down the same ruts that we went into lay down the same ruts that we went into the refreshing experience with I don't the refreshing experience with I don't the refreshing experience with I don't know I haven't read the literature so know I haven't read the literature so know I haven't read the literature so I'm saying these are questions is there I'm saying these are questions is there I'm saying these are questions is there a program for re-entry if it's a a program for re-entry if it's a a program for re-entry if it's a life-changing experience life-changing experience life-changing experience what have you changed in your life what have you changed in your life what have you changed in your life um maybe that's a challenge maybe this um maybe that's a challenge maybe this um maybe that's a challenge maybe this is because I'm still an [ __ ] uh is because I'm still an [ __ ] uh is because I'm still an [ __ ] uh nonetheless people are going down to nonetheless people are going down to nonetheless people are going down to Costa Rica or wherever they go and Costa Rica or wherever they go and Costa Rica or wherever they go and they're having you know sometimes it's they're having you know sometimes it's they're having you know sometimes it's very expensive very expensive very expensive um or sometimes they're just going up to um or sometimes they're just going up to um or sometimes they're just going up to Burning Man or going on their own Burning Man or going on their own Burning Man or going on their own journey and it's inexpensive but they're journey and it's inexpensive but they're journey and it's inexpensive but they're looking for something looking for something looking for something and some of the people who are looking and some of the people who are looking and some of the people who are looking for things for things for things aren't finding what they tell me that

2:02aren't finding what they tell me that aren't finding what they tell me that they're looking for they're looking for they're looking for so I want to know if it's really there so I want to know if it's really there so I want to know if it's really there and other people Ben might be having and other people Ben might be having and other people Ben might be having this experience got something out of it this experience got something out of it this experience got something out of it he says now I'm done yeah right yeah he says now I'm done yeah right yeah he says now I'm done yeah right yeah for I take a different route for I take a different route for I take a different route um um the the do you ever lucid dream um I've had maybe like one instance of um I've had maybe like one instance of it I used to get like sleep paralysis a it I used to get like sleep paralysis a it I used to get like sleep paralysis a lot uh for like months on end it was lot uh for like months on end it was lot uh for like months on end it was wild wild wild um but no I've never actually practiced um but no I've never actually practiced um but no I've never actually practiced myself myself myself the way the experiences Jason and Adrian the way the experiences Jason and Adrian the way the experiences Jason and Adrian have had them but the way the have had them but the way the have had them but the way the experiences of Ayahuasca and other experiences of Ayahuasca and other experiences of Ayahuasca and other psychedelics are related to me reminds psychedelics are related to me reminds psychedelics are related to me reminds me of a lucid dream I used to have a me of a lucid dream I used to have a me of a lucid dream I used to have a recurring nightmare when I was a kid and recurring nightmare when I was a kid and recurring nightmare when I was a kid and I didn't know what lucid dreaming was I didn't know what lucid dreaming was I didn't know what lucid dreaming was you know I must have been eight or you know I must have been eight or you know I must have been eight or something but I learned how to control something but I learned how to control

2:03something but I learned how to control the dream so it wasn't so scary and I've the dream so it wasn't so scary and I've the dream so it wasn't so scary and I've been doing it for decades until I found been doing it for decades until I found been doing it for decades until I found out that like lucid dreaming is a thing out that like lucid dreaming is a thing out that like lucid dreaming is a thing and then I'm like oh that's what I've and then I'm like oh that's what I've and then I'm like oh that's what I've been doing where I will replay sections been doing where I will replay sections been doing where I will replay sections of the dream and get to different of the dream and get to different of the dream and get to different outcomes I will steer the dream or outcomes I will steer the dream or outcomes I will steer the dream or sometimes the dream will just be too sometimes the dream will just be too sometimes the dream will just be too [ __ ] scary and I'll shut the whole [ __ ] scary and I'll shut the whole [ __ ] scary and I'll shut the whole thing down thing down thing down and then so I came out of this and then so I came out of this and then so I came out of this experience experience experience um at Arcos hunting it was a lucid um at Arcos hunting it was a lucid um at Arcos hunting it was a lucid dreaming Workshop where it was explained dreaming Workshop where it was explained dreaming Workshop where it was explained to me and I said well I want a lucid to me and I said well I want a lucid to me and I said well I want a lucid live like how do I bring that level of live like how do I bring that level of live like how do I bring that level of imagination and orientation and play to imagination and orientation and play to imagination and orientation and play to my life you know so that's a big my life you know so that's a big my life you know so that's a big transition transition transition so when I say I do a different what I so when I say I do a different what I so when I say I do a different what I know works for me know works for me know works for me is writing and play now sometimes is writing and play now sometimes is writing and play now sometimes dreaming but I will go over things in my dreaming but I will go over things in my dreaming but I will go over things in my imagination so many different ways and imagination so many different ways and imagination so many different ways and then I will use words to give my body then I will use words to give my body then I will use words to give my body The Experience my heart doesn't know if

2:04The Experience my heart doesn't know if The Experience my heart doesn't know if it's all coming out of my imagination or it's all coming out of my imagination or it's all coming out of my imagination or if it you know reached my heart through if it you know reached my heart through if it you know reached my heart through some other sensory experience and we some other sensory experience and we some other sensory experience and we know this from just going to the movies know this from just going to the movies know this from just going to the movies you go to the scary movie you're like you go to the scary movie you're like you go to the scary movie you're like whoa look buddy you're in a theater whoa look buddy you're in a theater whoa look buddy you're in a theater that's not a real knife it's not a real that's not a real knife it's not a real that's not a real knife it's not a real hockey mask and you know this but you hockey mask and you know this but you hockey mask and you know this but you give yourself up to the vicarious you give yourself up to the vicarious you give yourself up to the vicarious you know emotional thrill your adrenal gland know emotional thrill your adrenal gland know emotional thrill your adrenal gland don't know some part of your brain knows don't know some part of your brain knows don't know some part of your brain knows but the rest of your body is like don't but the rest of your body is like don't but the rest of your body is like don't go in there you know and so when you go in there you know and so when you go in there you know and so when you identify with a character in a story identify with a character in a story identify with a character in a story your body has the experience of the your body has the experience of the your body has the experience of the character character character well that's what I do so I do all this well that's what I do so I do all this well that's what I do so I do all this writing you can read some of my old writing you can read some of my old writing you can read some of my old articles on medium and I just put one up articles on medium and I just put one up articles on medium and I just put one up on my sub stack that included on my sub stack that included on my sub stack that included what happened to me when I watched The what happened to me when I watched The what happened to me when I watched The Wizard of Oz for the first time and you Wizard of Oz for the first time and you Wizard of Oz for the first time and you gotta go way to your way back machine gotta go way to your way back machine gotta go way to your way back machine um black and white TV you know that um black and white TV you know that um black and white TV you know that thing was like a piece of freaking

2:05thing was like a piece of freaking thing was like a piece of freaking furniture with like wood carvings and furniture with like wood carvings and furniture with like wood carvings and stuff like that and used to come on once stuff like that and used to come on once stuff like that and used to come on once a year and my parents thought this was a a year and my parents thought this was a a year and my parents thought this was a great movie because it is a great movie great movie because it is a great movie great movie because it is a great movie and the once hero had come on they sat and the once hero had come on they sat and the once hero had come on they sat us down I guess I was finally old enough us down I guess I was finally old enough us down I guess I was finally old enough to watch The Wizard of Oz and it scared to watch The Wizard of Oz and it scared to watch The Wizard of Oz and it scared the [ __ ] out of me and I didn't realize the [ __ ] out of me and I didn't realize the [ __ ] out of me and I didn't realize that my recurring nightmare was Dorothy that my recurring nightmare was Dorothy that my recurring nightmare was Dorothy in The Castle when the wicked witch says in The Castle when the wicked witch says in The Castle when the wicked witch says um um and it's not long my pretty and she and it's not long my pretty and she and it's not long my pretty and she turns The Hourglass upside down she says turns The Hourglass upside down she says turns The Hourglass upside down she says this is how long you have to live in the this is how long you have to live in the this is how long you have to live in the sand is going through The Hourglass it's sand is going through The Hourglass it's sand is going through The Hourglass it's red sand I remember the the movie as red sand I remember the the movie as red sand I remember the the movie as being read being read being read when I watched it as a kid it was in when I watched it as a kid it was in when I watched it as a kid it was in black and white black and white black and white and the recurring dream I had for years and the recurring dream I had for years and the recurring dream I had for years was just a thin black line and the line was just a thin black line and the line was just a thin black line and the line was always moving I didn't know when I

2:06was always moving I didn't know when I was always moving I didn't know when I was a child it was sand and I didn't was a child it was sand and I didn't was a child it was sand and I didn't recognize it as The Hourglass it was recognize it as The Hourglass it was recognize it as The Hourglass it was just a thin black line and I would be in just a thin black line and I would be in just a thin black line and I would be in my dream and scared as hell and I my dream and scared as hell and I my dream and scared as hell and I wouldn't go get my parents or something wouldn't go get my parents or something wouldn't go get my parents or something and I would go back to sleep and I'd say and I would go back to sleep and I'd say and I would go back to sleep and I'd say I'm gonna [ __ ] with the line I'm gonna I'm gonna [ __ ] with the line I'm gonna I'm gonna [ __ ] with the line I'm gonna shake it up as long as I can keep it shake it up as long as I can keep it shake it up as long as I can keep it moving I'm gonna be okay moving I'm gonna be okay moving I'm gonna be okay I gotta wait until I'm 53 freaking years I gotta wait until I'm 53 freaking years I gotta wait until I'm 53 freaking years old and in a hotel in California having old and in a hotel in California having old and in a hotel in California having suffering from travel and social anxiety suffering from travel and social anxiety suffering from travel and social anxiety because I get to give a talk to the Navy because I get to give a talk to the Navy because I get to give a talk to the Navy the next day and I'm in like some kind the next day and I'm in like some kind the next day and I'm in like some kind of panic mode and I said brain of panic mode and I said brain of panic mode and I said brain I'm sick of this [ __ ] you're gonna I'm sick of this [ __ ] you're gonna I'm sick of this [ __ ] you're gonna figure this out you're gonna figure out figure this out you're gonna figure out figure this out you're gonna figure out why do you have such anxiety why when why do you have such anxiety why when why do you have such anxiety why when you wake up in the morning I want a you wake up in the morning I want a you wake up in the morning I want a solution to this problem because I'm a solution to this problem because I'm a solution to this problem because I'm a professor and I'm giving my brain the professor and I'm giving my brain the professor and I'm giving my brain the homework and I went through the old homework and I went through the old homework and I went through the old dream and I finally connected it to The dream and I finally connected it to The dream and I finally connected it to The Wizard of Oz Into The Hourglass and then Wizard of Oz Into The Hourglass and then Wizard of Oz Into The Hourglass and then I didn't it wasn't so scary anymore yep

2:07I didn't it wasn't so scary anymore yep I didn't it wasn't so scary anymore yep I went back and I watched the movie and I went back and I watched the movie and I went back and I watched the movie and I thought about Dorothy and I thought I thought about Dorothy and I thought I thought about Dorothy and I thought about Toto and I thought how the dream about Toto and I thought how the dream about Toto and I thought how the dream is really it's not about death from at is really it's not about death from at is really it's not about death from at the hands of the witch Dorothy was an the hands of the witch Dorothy was an the hands of the witch Dorothy was an orphan and Toto was like her surrogate orphan and Toto was like her surrogate orphan and Toto was like her surrogate child her parents you know when Miss child her parents you know when Miss child her parents you know when Miss goltz comes over goltz comes over goltz comes over foreign foreign foreign he's such a [ __ ] wimp he's like oh we he's such a [ __ ] wimp he's like oh we he's such a [ __ ] wimp he's like oh we can't go against the law you know and can't go against the law you know and can't go against the law you know and then he disappears and Auntie M she's then he disappears and Auntie M she's then he disappears and Auntie M she's got nothing she's like we've got to give got nothing she's like we've got to give got nothing she's like we've got to give the dog away to be destroyed Dorothy I'm the dog away to be destroyed Dorothy I'm the dog away to be destroyed Dorothy I'm sorry [ __ ] that get the shotgun make sorry [ __ ] that get the shotgun make sorry [ __ ] that get the shotgun make them take that dog away what the hell he them take that dog away what the hell he them take that dog away what the hell he and where's you know the hired help and where's you know the hired help and where's you know the hired help they're just gonna like give the dog to they're just gonna like give the dog to they're just gonna like give the dog to miss Gulch and say sorry Dorothy you miss Gulch and say sorry Dorothy you miss Gulch and say sorry Dorothy you already lost your parents we know this already lost your parents we know this already lost your parents we know this dog means everything to you and there's dog means everything to you and there's dog means everything to you and there's nothing we can do [ __ ]

2:08nothing we can do [ __ ] nothing we can do [ __ ] the it's the abandonment she has no the it's the abandonment she has no the it's the abandonment she has no parents and now the people around who parents and now the people around who parents and now the people around who are supposed to protect her can't even are supposed to protect her can't even are supposed to protect her can't even keep her dog safe no wonder she wants to keep her dog safe no wonder she wants to keep her dog safe no wonder she wants to go to Oz no wonder she runs away what's go to Oz no wonder she runs away what's go to Oz no wonder she runs away what's waiting for her at the [ __ ] Farm a waiting for her at the [ __ ] Farm a waiting for her at the [ __ ] Farm a bunch of people who can't do a damn bunch of people who can't do a damn bunch of people who can't do a damn thing for her so you know I wake up I thing for her so you know I wake up I thing for her so you know I wake up I gotta give my lecture to the Navy and gotta give my lecture to the Navy and gotta give my lecture to the Navy and I'm like getting worked up about Dorothy I'm like getting worked up about Dorothy I'm like getting worked up about Dorothy what is she finding us she finds friends what is she finding us she finds friends what is she finding us she finds friends who would risk their lives to save her who would risk their lives to save her who would risk their lives to save her you're home you're home you're home but she's not but she's not but she's not she's still in the Land of Make-Believe she's still in the Land of Make-Believe she's still in the Land of Make-Believe okay Fred Rogers says the land of make okay Fred Rogers says the land of make okay Fred Rogers says the land of make believe she still guess what it's believe she still guess what it's believe she still guess what it's revealed at the end it's a dream revealed at the end it's a dream revealed at the end it's a dream she's reliving the trauma in a dream she's reliving the trauma in a dream she's reliving the trauma in a dream and at the end of the movie and at the end of the movie and at the end of the movie how does she had the power to go home how does she had the power to go home how does she had the power to go home in herself the whole time right and I'm

2:09in herself the whole time right and I'm in herself the whole time right and I'm like God damn Tom if you'd figure this like God damn Tom if you'd figure this like God damn Tom if you'd figure this one out 45 years ago it might have saved one out 45 years ago it might have saved one out 45 years ago it might have saved you a lot of grief you a lot of grief you a lot of grief James I was just the beginning I'm gonna James I was just the beginning I'm gonna James I was just the beginning I'm gonna tell you this last vignette tell you this last vignette tell you this last vignette um I read a book I just finished it like um I read a book I just finished it like um I read a book I just finished it like Friday it's called it didn't start with Friday it's called it didn't start with Friday it's called it didn't start with you you it is about the inheritance of it is about the inheritance of it is about the inheritance of unresolved trauma and again there's some unresolved trauma and again there's some unresolved trauma and again there's some really good science on this in animals really good science on this in animals really good science on this in animals and humans in the animal study if you and humans in the animal study if you and humans in the animal study if you take a rat and you expose it to an take a rat and you expose it to an take a rat and you expose it to an unfamiliar odor and give an electric unfamiliar odor and give an electric unfamiliar odor and give an electric shock at the same time shock at the same time shock at the same time it will learn to be afraid of the odor it will learn to be afraid of the odor it will learn to be afraid of the odor just make classic BF Skinner just make classic BF Skinner just make classic BF Skinner conditioning right so scientists did conditioning right so scientists did conditioning right so scientists did that they scared the [ __ ] out of the that they scared the [ __ ] out of the that they scared the [ __ ] out of the rats with the owner to train the rats to rats with the owner to train the rats to rats with the owner to train the rats to be afraid of the odor be afraid of the odor be afraid of the odor you know cherry blossoms or something I you know cherry blossoms or something I you know cherry blossoms or something I don't know it sounds delightful in a don't know it sounds delightful in a don't know it sounds delightful in a candle but the rats are scared of it and

2:10candle but the rats are scared of it and candle but the rats are scared of it and then they put the rats back in a normal then they put the rats back in a normal then they put the rats back in a normal environment they allow the rats to breed environment they allow the rats to breed environment they allow the rats to breed the rats have pups they raise the pups the rats have pups they raise the pups the rats have pups they raise the pups out never exposed to the electric shocks out never exposed to the electric shocks out never exposed to the electric shocks never exposed to the odor and then they never exposed to the odor and then they never exposed to the odor and then they take the pups apart after they're full take the pups apart after they're full take the pups apart after they're full grown and they expose them to the odor grown and they expose them to the odor grown and they expose them to the odor what do the pups do they freak the frick what do the pups do they freak the frick what do the pups do they freak the frick out they have the exact same reaction out they have the exact same reaction out they have the exact same reaction that their parents had that their parents had that their parents had the pups inherited the unresolved trauma the pups inherited the unresolved trauma the pups inherited the unresolved trauma these rat pups from their parents in the these rat pups from their parents in the these rat pups from their parents in the epigenetic coating of their DNA in other epigenetic coating of their DNA in other epigenetic coating of their DNA in other words the unresolved trauma methylated words the unresolved trauma methylated words the unresolved trauma methylated there's other mechanisms of methylation there's other mechanisms of methylation there's other mechanisms of methylation is the biggest one it changed the gene is the biggest one it changed the gene is the biggest one it changed the gene expression in the rats so that their expression in the rats so that their expression in the rats so that their offspring would not have to be taught offspring would not have to be taught offspring would not have to be taught behaviorally oh stay away from that odor behaviorally oh stay away from that odor behaviorally oh stay away from that odor it just became a genetic expression it just became a genetic expression it just became a genetic expression rats can inherit through this epigenetic rats can inherit through this epigenetic rats can inherit through this epigenetic transfer transfer transfer unresolved trauma from their parents and

2:11unresolved trauma from their parents and unresolved trauma from their parents and it can persist for seven generations it can persist for seven generations it can persist for seven generations okay we share 99 of our DNA with rats okay we share 99 of our DNA with rats okay we share 99 of our DNA with rats sometimes the one percent that's sometimes the one percent that's sometimes the one percent that's different is really freaking important different is really freaking important different is really freaking important like we're not rats but there's so much like we're not rats but there's so much like we're not rats but there's so much in common that it leads to hypotheses in common that it leads to hypotheses in common that it leads to hypotheses right right so they went and looked at Holocaust so they went and looked at Holocaust so they went and looked at Holocaust Survivors with PTSD Holocaust Survivors Survivors with PTSD Holocaust Survivors Survivors with PTSD Holocaust Survivors without PTSD and then of course they without PTSD and then of course they without PTSD and then of course they looked at their children and then of looked at their children and then of looked at their children and then of course they found separated twins same course they found separated twins same course they found separated twins same genetics different nurturing genetics different nurturing genetics different nurturing environments well God damn if they environments well God damn if they environments well God damn if they didn't find evidence of epigenetic didn't find evidence of epigenetic didn't find evidence of epigenetic transfer in human beings of unresolved transfer in human beings of unresolved transfer in human beings of unresolved Trauma from parents down to right now we Trauma from parents down to right now we Trauma from parents down to right now we have grandchildren have grandchildren have grandchildren what this means is what this means is what this means is no amount of talk therapy childhood no amount of talk therapy childhood no amount of talk therapy childhood examination of your relationship with examination of your relationship with examination of your relationship with your mother Naval gazing whatever your mother Naval gazing whatever your mother Naval gazing whatever could could necessarily find the trauma could could necessarily find the trauma could could necessarily find the trauma that you're carrying with you because that you're carrying with you because that you're carrying with you because you inherited from a grandparent you inherited from a grandparent you inherited from a grandparent wow but in this book Mark wolin wrote it

2:12wow but in this book Mark wolin wrote it wow but in this book Mark wolin wrote it um it didn't start with you he describes um it didn't start with you he describes um it didn't start with you he describes case study After Case Study after case case study After Case Study after case case study After Case Study after case study of people who study of people who study of people who experienced a revelation that is they experienced a revelation that is they experienced a revelation that is they were raised analyze or misconceptions were raised analyze or misconceptions were raised analyze or misconceptions and until and until and until the trauma of their parents or their the trauma of their parents or their the trauma of their parents or their grandparents was explained to them grandparents was explained to them grandparents was explained to them they didn't understand their own they didn't understand their own they didn't understand their own compulsions they didn't understand their compulsions they didn't understand their compulsions they didn't understand their own like uh it's hard to summarize the own like uh it's hard to summarize the own like uh it's hard to summarize the cases but there was one cases but there was one cases but there was one Cambodian American boy born in America Cambodian American boy born in America Cambodian American boy born in America never known hard times but he gets to be never known hard times but he gets to be never known hard times but he gets to be six or seven years old and he starts six or seven years old and he starts six or seven years old and he starts acting out this murderous play acting out this murderous play acting out this murderous play he's got like a coat hanger and he's he's got like a coat hanger and he's he's got like a coat hanger and he's stabbing the couch cushions and he's stabbing the couch cushions and he's stabbing the couch cushions and he's like kill kill kill like kill kill kill like kill kill kill and he runs into a wall and gives and he runs into a wall and gives and he runs into a wall and gives himself another concussion himself another concussion himself another concussion and the parents who are Cambodian and the parents who are Cambodian and the parents who are Cambodian immigrants in the United States they immigrants in the United States they immigrants in the United States they finally take him to Mark Wallen

2:13finally take him to Mark Wallen finally take him to Mark Wallen Mark says Cambodian Mark says Cambodian Mark says Cambodian when did you come over like well early when did you come over like well early when did you come over like well early 70s say well it was a tough time in 70s say well it was a tough time in 70s say well it was a tough time in Cambodia or maybe it was mid 70s Cambodia or maybe it was mid 70s Cambodia or maybe it was mid 70s something like that and they go yeah we something like that and they go yeah we something like that and they go yeah we don't talk about it we've never told our don't talk about it we've never told our don't talk about it we've never told our son about it but we Escape The Killing son about it but we Escape The Killing son about it but we Escape The Killing Fields my father was murdered for you Fields my father was murdered for you Fields my father was murdered for you know being accused of being some kind of know being accused of being some kind of know being accused of being some kind of CIA sympathizer really how did they kill CIA sympathizer really how did they kill CIA sympathizer really how did they kill him they beat in his head him they beat in his head him they beat in his head huh and then so they described the and then so they described the experiences that they've never talked experiences that they've never talked experiences that they've never talked about about about and Mark says you need to talk about and Mark says you need to talk about and Mark says you need to talk about this with your son you need to describe this with your son you need to describe this with your son you need to describe the you know there's only so much you the you know there's only so much you the you know there's only so much you can say to a seven-year-old but you need can say to a seven-year-old but you need can say to a seven-year-old but you need to describe your grandfather you need to to describe your grandfather you need to to describe your grandfather you need to describe why he's not here with him in describe why he's not here with him in describe why he's not here with him in the U.S you need to just trying to the U.S you need to just trying to the U.S you need to just trying to describe what death is and you need to describe what death is and you need to describe what death is and you need to say put a picture of his grandfather say put a picture of his grandfather say put a picture of his grandfather over his bed and say your grandfather

2:14over his bed and say your grandfather over his bed and say your grandfather loves you and blesses you loves you and blesses you loves you and blesses you six weeks later six weeks later six weeks later they did like some kind of Buddhist they did like some kind of Buddhist they did like some kind of Buddhist ceremony at the Pagoda they hung the ceremony at the Pagoda they hung the ceremony at the Pagoda they hung the picture they did the ritual picture they did the ritual picture they did the ritual the um boy gave them a month back his the um boy gave them a month back his the um boy gave them a month back his play coat hanger he said I don't need play coat hanger he said I don't need play coat hanger he said I don't need this anymore he stopped running his head this anymore he stopped running his head this anymore he stopped running his head into walls no more concussions into walls no more concussions into walls no more concussions there's no there's no developmental like classical developmental like classical developmental like classical conditioning explanation for this conditioning explanation for this conditioning explanation for this that's better than inherited epigenetic that's better than inherited epigenetic that's better than inherited epigenetic trauma trauma trauma all right so that's that book and I all right so that's that book and I all right so that's that book and I finished it and Wallen says in the book finished it and Wallen says in the book finished it and Wallen says in the book well what you got to do is you got to do well what you got to do is you got to do well what you got to do is you got to do your genealogy you know get your family your genealogy you know get your family your genealogy you know get your family tree together and you know explore what tree together and you know explore what tree together and you know explore what the traumas were in your family tree and the traumas were in your family tree and the traumas were in your family tree and talking I'm 56 years old my father's talking I'm 56 years old my father's talking I'm 56 years old my father's dead my mother has Alzheimer's she dead my mother has Alzheimer's she dead my mother has Alzheimer's she doesn't even recognize me where am I doesn't even recognize me where am I doesn't even recognize me where am I going to go and get this information going to go and get this information going to go and get this information ancestry.com ancestry.com ancestry.com because they've posted a gravestone of because they've posted a gravestone of because they've posted a gravestone of my great grandfather I'm named for my

2:15my great grandfather I'm named for my my great grandfather I'm named for my grandfather grandfather grandfather his name was Thomas Payson no middle his name was Thomas Payson no middle his name was Thomas Payson no middle name there are I have two older cousins name there are I have two older cousins name there are I have two older cousins male cousins male cousins male cousins but my mother said but my mother said but my mother said to her siblings to her siblings to her siblings I want to be the one to name my son I want to be the one to name my son I want to be the one to name my son after Dad if you would please give me after Dad if you would please give me after Dad if you would please give me the name Thomas so that you know my son the name Thomas so that you know my son the name Thomas so that you know my son and your sons don't have the same name and your sons don't have the same name and your sons don't have the same name so my oldest male cousin is Andy my so my oldest male cousin is Andy my so my oldest male cousin is Andy my second oldest male cousin is Albion and second oldest male cousin is Albion and second oldest male cousin is Albion and my mother got her wish and named me for my mother got her wish and named me for my mother got her wish and named me for her father her father her father his gravestone is up on ancestor.com and his gravestone is up on ancestor.com and his gravestone is up on ancestor.com and so is his father's Richard Conant Payson so is his father's Richard Conant Payson so is his father's Richard Conant Payson died when he was 47 years old died when he was 47 years old died when he was 47 years old my grandfather was eight my grandfather was eight my grandfather was eight hmm hmm hmm if your father died two months before if your father died two months before if your father died two months before World War One World War One World War One before the U.S got into World War one before the U.S got into World War one

2:16before the U.S got into World War one two months before the Lusitania you know two months before the Lusitania you know two months before the Lusitania you know you're eight years old and your father you're eight years old and your father you're eight years old and your father dies and now it says you your three dies and now it says you your three dies and now it says you your three older siblings and your mom would you be traumatized probably probably I mean mom didn't take you down to the I mean mom didn't take you down to the I mean mom didn't take you down to the best you know pediatric psychologist in best you know pediatric psychologist in best you know pediatric psychologist in the state of Southern Maine to have you the state of Southern Maine to have you the state of Southern Maine to have you work through your [ __ ] that stuff didn't work through your [ __ ] that stuff didn't work through your [ __ ] that stuff didn't exist what would your trauma be would it exist what would your trauma be would it exist what would your trauma be would it be maybe fear of abandonment be maybe fear of abandonment be maybe fear of abandonment well [ __ ] yeah well [ __ ] yeah well [ __ ] yeah and if you were and if you were and if you were you know little three-year-old Tommy you know little three-year-old Tommy you know little three-year-old Tommy watching a movie which is a classic watching a movie which is a classic watching a movie which is a classic about an orphan about an orphan about an orphan who's unprotected in this world who who's unprotected in this world who who's unprotected in this world who works out her fear of Abandonment in you works out her fear of Abandonment in you works out her fear of Abandonment in you know her Imaginary Land of us would that know her Imaginary Land of us would that know her Imaginary Land of us would that maybe give you [ __ ] nightmares if you

2:17maybe give you [ __ ] nightmares if you maybe give you [ __ ] nightmares if you were carrying your grandfather's were carrying your grandfather's were carrying your grandfather's epigenetic trauma epigenetic trauma epigenetic trauma and James I just put this all together and James I just put this all together and James I just put this all together yesterday put it in this huge long yesterday put it in this huge long yesterday put it in this huge long freaking 29 minute read which no one is freaking 29 minute read which no one is freaking 29 minute read which no one is ever going to spend 20 because that's ever going to spend 20 because that's ever going to spend 20 because that's not the way the internet works you know not the way the internet works you know not the way the internet works you know but someday maybe it'll be a part of a but someday maybe it'll be a part of a but someday maybe it'll be a part of a book book book and I'm like and I'm like and I'm like um um that makes sense that makes sense that makes sense so what do I do first I've removed the so what do I do first I've removed the so what do I do first I've removed the misconceptions misconceptions misconceptions this lifelong fear of Abandonment and um this lifelong fear of Abandonment and um this lifelong fear of Abandonment and um why did I marry an alcoholic because she why did I marry an alcoholic because she why did I marry an alcoholic because she can't live without me what's she gonna can't live without me what's she gonna can't live without me what's she gonna do she's gonna like go get an apartment do she's gonna like go get an apartment do she's gonna like go get an apartment see how that works out she can't go see how that works out she can't go see how that works out she can't go anywhere you know I'm so freaking clever anywhere you know I'm so freaking clever anywhere you know I'm so freaking clever look at me what I did you know and then look at me what I did you know and then look at me what I did you know and then what did I do to my girlfriend what did I do to my girlfriend what did I do to my girlfriend um um it's just one constant she's got her it's just one constant she's got her it's just one constant she's got her issues right but my thing one constant issues right but my thing one constant issues right but my thing one constant loyalty test after another she never loyalty test after another she never loyalty test after another she never could have passed these loyalty tests

2:18could have passed these loyalty tests could have passed these loyalty tests because if she did I'd come at her with because if she did I'd come at her with because if she did I'd come at her with another one because what am I working on another one because what am I working on another one because what am I working on I'm working on my grandfather's fear of I'm working on my grandfather's fear of I'm working on my grandfather's fear of Abandonment what am I going to do about Abandonment what am I going to do about Abandonment what am I going to do about it I'm going to rip the page out of that it I'm going to rip the page out of that it I'm going to rip the page out of that like like Cambodian kid Cambodian kid Cambodian kid I'm gonna hang up a picture of my I'm gonna hang up a picture of my I'm gonna hang up a picture of my granddad see I'm there for you like I granddad see I'm there for you like I granddad see I'm there for you like I don't know what else to say I'm not sure don't know what else to say I'm not sure don't know what else to say I'm not sure like I'm gonna try and recreate the um like I'm gonna try and recreate the um like I'm gonna try and recreate the um the experience that Walden relates first the experience that Walden relates first the experience that Walden relates first you become aware that's the you become aware that's the you become aware that's the misconception then in your imagination misconception then in your imagination misconception then in your imagination relive the trauma and fix it like relive the trauma and fix it like relive the trauma and fix it like resolve it from a position of control resolve it from a position of control resolve it from a position of control that says that says you're in charge of this this is what it you're in charge of this this is what it you're in charge of this this is what it is now and it doesn't have to be like is now and it doesn't have to be like is now and it doesn't have to be like that anymore that anymore that anymore so I'm gonna I could create a ritual so I'm gonna I could create a ritual so I'm gonna I could create a ritual like that I'll probably invite my like that I'll probably invite my like that I'll probably invite my girlfriend in girlfriend in girlfriend in um you know to do this with me see how um you know to do this with me see how um you know to do this with me see how it goes you'll probably think I'm crazy it goes you'll probably think I'm crazy it goes you'll probably think I'm crazy and I'm like if I'm the guy who does and I'm like if I'm the guy who does and I'm like if I'm the guy who does four minute ice baths you already knew I four minute ice baths you already knew I four minute ice baths you already knew I was crazy right was crazy right was crazy right um and we'll see how that goes

2:19fascinating man ual link yeah I mean it's easy ual link yeah I mean it's easy seegertp.substack.com is that uh that's your main blog is that uh that's your main blog that's my personal blog marasco that's my personal blog marasco that's my personal blog marasco forge.com you know slash I mean there's forge.com you know slash I mean there's forge.com you know slash I mean there's a lot of stuff there but you go to our a lot of stuff there but you go to our a lot of stuff there but you go to our Journal Online you read all about cold Journal Online you read all about cold Journal Online you read all about cold exposure and cancer and testosterone and exposure and cancer and testosterone and exposure and cancer and testosterone and pregnancy and there's a lot of good pregnancy and there's a lot of good pregnancy and there's a lot of good stuff in there but there's some things stuff in there but there's some things stuff in there but there's some things that um they're not about ice baths or that um they're not about ice baths or that um they're not about ice baths or cold exposure or even biohacking cold exposure or even biohacking cold exposure or even biohacking um it's what's going on in here and in um it's what's going on in here and in um it's what's going on in here and in here and uh it kind of sucks here and uh it kind of sucks here and uh it kind of sucks um um when when when you know I've written about my daughter you know I've written about my daughter you know I've written about my daughter and I'm like yeah it sucks to have a dad and I'm like yeah it sucks to have a dad and I'm like yeah it sucks to have a dad who's a writer who's a writer who's a writer um you know she's got a great sense of um you know she's got a great sense of um you know she's got a great sense of humor about it uh so it's not a big deal

2:20humor about it uh so it's not a big deal humor about it uh so it's not a big deal but if you want to see her you know but if you want to see her you know but if you want to see her you know experiences with Krav or whatever I've experiences with Krav or whatever I've experiences with Krav or whatever I've written about that stuff so putting it written about that stuff so putting it written about that stuff so putting it out there because there might be out there because there might be out there because there might be somebody else in a similar situation and somebody else in a similar situation and somebody else in a similar situation and maybe they read that and they say just maybe they read that and they say just maybe they read that and they say just like I read Mark Mullins book and I'm like I read Mark Mullins book and I'm like I read Mark Mullins book and I'm like okay there's something in there for like okay there's something in there for like okay there's something in there for me they might read that and they say I me they might read that and they say I me they might read that and they say I think there's something in there for me think there's something in there for me think there's something in there for me this is partly why I'm so curious about this is partly why I'm so curious about this is partly why I'm so curious about going on the forge going on the forge going on the forge shivering shivering and then and then and then having the imaginary conversation with having the imaginary conversation with having the imaginary conversation with my grandfather if I could take care of my grandfather if I could take care of my grandfather if I could take care of him when he was eight years old I would him when he was eight years old I would him when he was eight years old I would do that do that do that if I could take care of myself when I if I could take care of myself when I if I could take care of myself when I was eight years old I would do that if I was eight years old I would do that if I was eight years old I would do that if I could have taken care of my mother I could have taken care of my mother I could have taken care of my mother I would have done that I can't do any of would have done that I can't do any of would have done that I can't do any of those things because there is no those things because there is no those things because there is no um you know 8.21 gigawatt like DeLorean um you know 8.21 gigawatt like DeLorean um you know 8.21 gigawatt like DeLorean that is going to go back to the future that is going to go back to the future that is going to go back to the future and allow you to save your parents but and allow you to save your parents but and allow you to save your parents but part of the reason that we made three part of the reason that we made three part of the reason that we made three movies about that is because it's such a movies about that is because it's such a movies about that is because it's such a popular you know there's a biological

2:21popular you know there's a biological popular you know there's a biological tug for the child to go back in time and tug for the child to go back in time and tug for the child to go back in time and save their parents on the surface it's a save their parents on the surface it's a save their parents on the surface it's a ridiculous freaking movie this high ridiculous freaking movie this high ridiculous freaking movie this high school kid played by a 35 year old school kid played by a 35 year old school kid played by a 35 year old Michael J fox whose best friend is Michael J fox whose best friend is Michael J fox whose best friend is lunatic nuclear scientist and they're lunatic nuclear scientist and they're lunatic nuclear scientist and they're going to invent a time machine so they going to invent a time machine so they going to invent a time machine so they can go back can go back can go back and go on a date with his mom like the and go on a date with his mom like the and go on a date with his mom like the whole thing makes no sense except this whole thing makes no sense except this whole thing makes no sense except this is the fantasy the common childhood is the fantasy the common childhood is the fantasy the common childhood fantasy You're Gonna Save your parents fantasy You're Gonna Save your parents fantasy You're Gonna Save your parents and fix your family so I'm susceptible and fix your family so I'm susceptible and fix your family so I'm susceptible to that fantasy but I have to do I have to that fantasy but I have to do I have to that fantasy but I have to do I have to write my own screenplay and say okay to write my own screenplay and say okay to write my own screenplay and say okay Granddad Granddad Granddad um what did you need that you didn't get um what did you need that you didn't get um what did you need that you didn't get uh uh I want you to have it and see if that I want you to have it and see if that I want you to have it and see if that were and then I talk to myself too uh were and then I talk to myself too uh were and then I talk to myself too uh Hey Little Tommy this is never your Hey Little Tommy this is never your Hey Little Tommy this is never your problem this was never your burden this problem this was never your burden this problem this was never your burden this was never for you to carry it and you was never for you to carry it and you was never for you to carry it and you don't have to like Dr Seger's here don't have to like Dr Seger's here don't have to like Dr Seger's here not going anywhere

2:22not going anywhere not going anywhere um you will never be abandoned like um you will never be abandoned like um you will never be abandoned like Dorothy was bring that tornado on you Dorothy was bring that tornado on you Dorothy was bring that tornado on you know we'll do it together know we'll do it together know we'll do it together it's all subconscious stuff it's correct it's all subconscious stuff it's correct it's all subconscious stuff it's correct why do you act the way that you act why why do you act the way that you act why why do you act the way that you act why do you behave yep I've seen that with do you behave yep I've seen that with do you behave yep I've seen that with like like um um candy Cravings or whatever that I was candy Cravings or whatever that I was candy Cravings or whatever that I was addicted to in the past or and then it's addicted to in the past or and then it's addicted to in the past or and then it's like like I'll go back and I'll see all right why I'll go back and I'll see all right why I'll go back and I'll see all right why do I like this specific thing so much do I like this specific thing so much do I like this specific thing so much like okay because it was giving me joy like okay because it was giving me joy like okay because it was giving me joy because I would get this candy after because I would get this candy after because I would get this candy after winning a baseball game like that but winning a baseball game like that but winning a baseball game like that but makes sense it goes back way Beyond yep makes sense it goes back way Beyond yep makes sense it goes back way Beyond yep but we were in what we were even but we were in what we were even but we were in what we were even conscious for just passing along conscious for just passing along conscious for just passing along consciousness consciousness consciousness you you didn't even exist I wasn't even you you didn't even exist I wasn't even you you didn't even exist I wasn't even you know a glint in my father's eye when you know a glint in my father's eye when you know a glint in my father's eye when my grandfather was traumatized so you my grandfather was traumatized so you my grandfather was traumatized so you know I'm working on it

2:23know I'm working on it know I'm working on it that's all you can do right at least that's all you can do right at least that's all you can do right at least you're at least you're willing to work you're at least you're willing to work you're at least you're willing to work on it you're a step man if I got a story on it you're a step man if I got a story on it you're a step man if I got a story for my kids oh yeah hey for my kids oh yeah hey for my kids oh yeah hey sit down sit down sit down well Tom I want to thank you so much for well Tom I want to thank you so much for well Tom I want to thank you so much for your time brother uh you're welcome your time brother uh you're welcome your time brother uh you're welcome thanks for listening to all my stuff no thanks for listening to all my stuff no thanks for listening to all my stuff no fantastic info man I felt like I was fantastic info man I felt like I was fantastic info man I felt like I was talking to a friend talking to a friend talking to a friend that was awesome you were thank you man that was awesome you were thank you man that was awesome you were thank you man it's been a pleasure talking with you it's been a pleasure talking with you it's been a pleasure talking with you you too brother we'll stay in touch you too brother we'll stay in touch you too brother we'll stay in touch thank you James

The Benefits of Cold Exposure and Self Actual Engineering ft Thomas Seagar