00:00All right, I finally have a podcast on All right, I finally have a podcast on sunlight and saunas, heat and cold and sunlight and saunas, heat and cold and sunlight and saunas, heat and cold and red light. And we've got Vic, who I red light. And we've got Vic, who I red light. And we've got Vic, who I email all the time, different questions email all the time, different questions email all the time, different questions that works with sunlight and saunas. And that works with sunlight and saunas. And that works with sunlight and saunas. And I'm happy to see him in person on video I'm happy to see him in person on video I'm happy to see him in person on video and we are going to talk shop. So, and we are going to talk shop. So, and we are going to talk shop. So, welcome to the podcast. welcome to the podcast. welcome to the podcast. >> Thank you so much. I'm very excited to >> Thank you so much. I'm very excited to >> Thank you so much. I'm very excited to be here. be here. be here. So tell me, first of all, you work with So tell me, first of all, you work with So tell me, first of all, you work with Sunlight. What do you do? Why are you Sunlight. What do you do? Why are you Sunlight. What do you do? Why are you working there? working there? working there? >> Yeah. So, I've been with Sunlighten for >> Yeah. So, I've been with Sunlighten for >> Yeah. So, I've been with Sunlighten for almost 5 years now. Um, and it just was almost 5 years now. Um, and it just was almost 5 years now. Um, and it just was a company that had an opening. Um, I was a company that had an opening. Um, I was a company that had an opening. Um, I was in a not in a pinch, but I was kind of in a not in a pinch, but I was kind of in a not in a pinch, but I was kind of in a bind because I was in search of a in a bind because I was in search of a in a bind because I was in search of a job and I wanted to get into the job and I wanted to get into the job and I wanted to get into the marketing world. And, um, I was an marketing world. And, um, I was an marketing world. And, um, I was an athlete. I swam in college and always athlete. I swam in college and always athlete. I swam in college and always knew quite a bit about health and knew quite a bit about health and knew quite a bit about health and wellness. So when I saw this role with wellness. So when I saw this role with wellness. So when I saw this role with partnerships um so I am the partnerships
01:00partnerships um so I am the partnerships partnerships um so I am the partnerships manager and I get to work with all the manager and I get to work with all the manager and I get to work with all the amazing experts that help us talk about amazing experts that help us talk about amazing experts that help us talk about infrared and the the many benefits. So infrared and the the many benefits. So infrared and the the many benefits. So like yourself to Dr. Mark Heyman, Ben like yourself to Dr. Mark Heyman, Ben like yourself to Dr. Mark Heyman, Ben Greenfield, like these wonderful people Greenfield, like these wonderful people Greenfield, like these wonderful people in the space that are just helping in the space that are just helping in the space that are just helping educate others about wellness. And um educate others about wellness. And um educate others about wellness. And um that was kind of the biggest eye opening that was kind of the biggest eye opening that was kind of the biggest eye opening thing when I started my role at thing when I started my role at thing when I started my role at Sunlighten is I thought I knew wellness Sunlighten is I thought I knew wellness Sunlighten is I thought I knew wellness pretty well, but I didn't understand the pretty well, but I didn't understand the pretty well, but I didn't understand the whole person aspect of it where it's the whole person aspect of it where it's the whole person aspect of it where it's the mental side is just as important as mental side is just as important as mental side is just as important as everything else. And I mean, just the everything else. And I mean, just the everything else. And I mean, just the gut brain connection, like so many gut brain connection, like so many gut brain connection, like so many layers to wellness and especially as I'm layers to wellness and especially as I'm layers to wellness and especially as I'm getting older and and um aging, uh getting older and and um aging, uh getting older and and um aging, uh whatever I can do to make myself better whatever I can do to make myself better whatever I can do to make myself better and and those around me better, I'm just and and those around me better, I'm just and and those around me better, I'm just obsessed with it. So, to get a chance to obsessed with it. So, to get a chance to obsessed with it. So, to get a chance to to speak with experts like yourself to speak with experts like yourself to speak with experts like yourself again, it's just so fun. Um and I I again, it's just so fun. Um and I I again, it's just so fun. Um and I I appreciate all the emails that we've had appreciate all the emails that we've had appreciate all the emails that we've had back and forth because it's just been back and forth because it's just been back and forth because it's just been fun to watch you grow as a um as an
02:00fun to watch you grow as a um as an fun to watch you grow as a um as an expert, too. So expert, too. So expert, too. So >> yeah, all all good things. >> yeah, all all good things. >> yeah, all all good things. >> It's very much an ongoing journey in >> It's very much an ongoing journey in >> It's very much an ongoing journey in this area because there is so much to this area because there is so much to this area because there is so much to always learn and there's new research always learn and there's new research always learn and there's new research coming out all the time, specifically coming out all the time, specifically coming out all the time, specifically today on heat and cold and red light. today on heat and cold and red light. today on heat and cold and red light. But for me, it's, you know, as you get But for me, it's, you know, as you get But for me, it's, you know, as you get older, and I say this to every show, my older, and I say this to every show, my older, and I say this to every show, my I shift the focus on this podcast to how I shift the focus on this podcast to how I shift the focus on this podcast to how we can take ownership of our health we can take ownership of our health we can take ownership of our health today to be our best self in the future. today to be our best self in the future. today to be our best self in the future. So calling it the future you program, So calling it the future you program, So calling it the future you program, you know, really looking at a holistic you know, really looking at a holistic you know, really looking at a holistic method approach to doing everything we method approach to doing everything we method approach to doing everything we can now as sauna is recommended all the can now as sauna is recommended all the can now as sauna is recommended all the time and I see more and more research on time and I see more and more research on time and I see more and more research on four times a week for 20 minutes. Now four times a week for 20 minutes. Now four times a week for 20 minutes. Now we'll dive into I choose a sunlight we'll dive into I choose a sunlight we'll dive into I choose a sunlight sauna years ago before you came on. I sauna years ago before you came on. I sauna years ago before you came on. I had a a fitness studio in Bellev, had a a fitness studio in Bellev, had a a fitness studio in Bellev, Washington before I moved to San Diego Washington before I moved to San Diego Washington before I moved to San Diego five years ago. And I added a sauna,
03:00five years ago. And I added a sauna, five years ago. And I added a sauna, Sunlight sauna into my studio to add Sunlight sauna into my studio to add Sunlight sauna into my studio to add additional services because I was trying additional services because I was trying additional services because I was trying to do more of a holistic approach and to do more of a holistic approach and to do more of a holistic approach and add all these different services before add all these different services before add all these different services before people really knew the benefits. people really knew the benefits. people really knew the benefits. >> And I did my research, tried out >> And I did my research, tried out >> And I did my research, tried out different saunas. different saunas. different saunas. I chose Sunlighten because it has the I chose Sunlighten because it has the I chose Sunlighten because it has the near infrared, the mid- infrared and far near infrared, the mid- infrared and far near infrared, the mid- infrared and far infrared wavelengths and the different infrared wavelengths and the different infrared wavelengths and the different programs. So, if you could just speak to programs. So, if you could just speak to programs. So, if you could just speak to the differences of saunas and I will add the differences of saunas and I will add the differences of saunas and I will add one more thing. The lot of a lot of the one more thing. The lot of a lot of the one more thing. The lot of a lot of the research studies I hear out there might research studies I hear out there might research studies I hear out there might be confusing to people because they're be confusing to people because they're be confusing to people because they're based on finished saunas and at 170 based on finished saunas and at 170 based on finished saunas and at 170 degrees. So, if we can kind of circle degrees. So, if we can kind of circle degrees. So, if we can kind of circle back to that later because I think back to that later because I think back to that later because I think people think, oh, well, the sunlight is people think, oh, well, the sunlight is people think, oh, well, the sunlight is not hot enough. So not hot enough. So not hot enough. So >> tell me a little bit about different >> tell me a little bit about different >> tell me a little bit about different types of saunas. types of saunas. types of saunas. >> Of course. So we make infrared saunas as >> Of course. So we make infrared saunas as >> Of course. So we make infrared saunas as you said. Um there's different parts of you said. Um there's different parts of you said. Um there's different parts of the infrared spectrum. So thinking of the infrared spectrum. So thinking of the infrared spectrum. So thinking of the full spectrum of light, we are all
04:00the full spectrum of light, we are all the full spectrum of light, we are all familiar with the rainbow. We have red familiar with the rainbow. We have red familiar with the rainbow. We have red on one side and then indigo, blue, kind on one side and then indigo, blue, kind on one side and then indigo, blue, kind of a purple on the other side. Well, of a purple on the other side. Well, of a purple on the other side. Well, next to red on the spectrum, that's next to red on the spectrum, that's next to red on the spectrum, that's infrared. That's even where the name infrared. That's even where the name infrared. That's even where the name comes from. So red light and infrared comes from. So red light and infrared comes from. So red light and infrared are different. That's something that is are different. That's something that is are different. That's something that is very confusing for most people now very confusing for most people now very confusing for most people now because oh you got that red light on. because oh you got that red light on. because oh you got that red light on. No, it's infrared. I mean just the name No, it's infrared. I mean just the name No, it's infrared. I mean just the name itself is is kind of confusing. And then itself is is kind of confusing. And then itself is is kind of confusing. And then the fact that infrared is an invisible the fact that infrared is an invisible the fact that infrared is an invisible part of the spectrum um just makes it a part of the spectrum um just makes it a part of the spectrum um just makes it a little harder to understand. It's what little harder to understand. It's what little harder to understand. It's what we can't see that's just even more we can't see that's just even more we can't see that's just even more mysterious. But as you stated um there mysterious. But as you stated um there mysterious. But as you stated um there are three parts of the spectrum of are three parts of the spectrum of are three parts of the spectrum of infrared. There's near, mid and far. And infrared. There's near, mid and far. And infrared. There's near, mid and far. And each of those has different um energy each of those has different um energy each of those has different um energy levels and then also different ways that levels and then also different ways that levels and then also different ways that it interacts with the body. So let's it interacts with the body. So let's it interacts with the body. So let's start with far infrared. It's the start with far infrared. It's the start with far infrared. It's the longest wavelength and it is absorbed longest wavelength and it is absorbed longest wavelength and it is absorbed furthest into the body. So absorption is
05:00furthest into the body. So absorption is furthest into the body. So absorption is different than penetration. It does not different than penetration. It does not different than penetration. It does not penetrate very far. It's pretty surface penetrate very far. It's pretty surface penetrate very far. It's pretty surface level. Um but what's happening is it's level. Um but what's happening is it's level. Um but what's happening is it's interacting with your mo water molecules interacting with your mo water molecules interacting with your mo water molecules which affects all sorts of stuff. Um which affects all sorts of stuff. Um which affects all sorts of stuff. Um different processes in the body um it different processes in the body um it different processes in the body um it just gets your flow going. So from there just gets your flow going. So from there just gets your flow going. So from there there's mid infrared which is of course there's mid infrared which is of course there's mid infrared which is of course the middle wavelength and it is absorbed the middle wavelength and it is absorbed the middle wavelength and it is absorbed just a little bit deeper um and helps just a little bit deeper um and helps just a little bit deeper um and helps with inflammation with inflammation with inflammation u muscle recovery that kind of thing. u muscle recovery that kind of thing. u muscle recovery that kind of thing. And then you have near infrared and as And then you have near infrared and as And then you have near infrared and as we said that's next to red we said that's next to red we said that's next to red it has the most energy and it is the it has the most energy and it is the it has the most energy and it is the shortest wavelength but it's a it shortest wavelength but it's a it shortest wavelength but it's a it penetrates pretty deeply. Um and so penetrates pretty deeply. Um and so penetrates pretty deeply. Um and so what's happening with infrared saunas what's happening with infrared saunas what's happening with infrared saunas compared to traditional saunas we just compared to traditional saunas we just compared to traditional saunas we just talked about this spectrum of light. So talked about this spectrum of light. So talked about this spectrum of light. So half of the benefits come from light half of the benefits come from light half of the benefits come from light itself. The studies as you mentioned itself. The studies as you mentioned itself. The studies as you mentioned were with high heat saunas and those are were with high heat saunas and those are were with high heat saunas and those are affecting you because the air around you affecting you because the air around you affecting you because the air around you is hot. It's that hot static air that is
06:00is hot. It's that hot static air that is is hot. It's that hot static air that is telling your body you need to cool telling your body you need to cool telling your body you need to cool yourself down because you're getting yourself down because you're getting yourself down because you're getting extremely hot. So the mechanism of extremely hot. So the mechanism of extremely hot. So the mechanism of action is that hormetic stressor that action is that hormetic stressor that action is that hormetic stressor that stress the hormesis which is a good stress the hormesis which is a good stress the hormesis which is a good stress for the most part. Um that stress for the most part. Um that stress for the most part. Um that activation is kicking off and um getting activation is kicking off and um getting activation is kicking off and um getting heat shock proteins activated. It's um heat shock proteins activated. It's um heat shock proteins activated. It's um again activating those systems that in again activating those systems that in again activating those systems that in these environments I mean we're always these environments I mean we're always these environments I mean we're always in a comfortable environment for the in a comfortable environment for the in a comfortable environment for the most part. Maybe with your move to San most part. Maybe with your move to San most part. Maybe with your move to San Diego you get a little bit hotter than Diego you get a little bit hotter than Diego you get a little bit hotter than normal on those hot sunny days. Um but normal on those hot sunny days. Um but normal on those hot sunny days. Um but it's just a completely different way to it's just a completely different way to it's just a completely different way to get your body heat and light compared to get your body heat and light compared to get your body heat and light compared to just heat alone. And we'd like to talk just heat alone. And we'd like to talk just heat alone. And we'd like to talk about too the just the feeling of the about too the just the feeling of the about too the just the feeling of the sessions. So, in a hot sauna, yeah, sessions. So, in a hot sauna, yeah, sessions. So, in a hot sauna, yeah, you're probably only in there for 20 you're probably only in there for 20 you're probably only in there for 20 minutes at 170 plus degrees and you're minutes at 170 plus degrees and you're minutes at 170 plus degrees and you're enduring that session. You are not enduring that session. You are not enduring that session. You are not enjoying it quite as much. So, that's enjoying it quite as much. So, that's enjoying it quite as much. So, that's where with infrared, I think we're able where with infrared, I think we're able where with infrared, I think we're able to just help a wider range of people
07:00to just help a wider range of people to just help a wider range of people because it is so much more enjoyable. because it is so much more enjoyable. because it is so much more enjoyable. You can be in a parasympathetic state and get the light benefits in state and get the light benefits in addition to the heat benefits. So, I'm addition to the heat benefits. So, I'm addition to the heat benefits. So, I'm happy to dive into um all the nuances happy to dive into um all the nuances happy to dive into um all the nuances and it's it's infrared is not new, but and it's it's infrared is not new, but and it's it's infrared is not new, but it's new to so many people. So, it takes it's new to so many people. So, it takes it's new to so many people. So, it takes time. And I've I've enjoyed listening to time. And I've I've enjoyed listening to time. And I've I've enjoyed listening to your podcast because you do a great job your podcast because you do a great job your podcast because you do a great job of of breaking down the nanometers and of of breaking down the nanometers and of of breaking down the nanometers and all the science, but it's not really all the science, but it's not really all the science, but it's not really until you feel it and understand it that until you feel it and understand it that until you feel it and understand it that I think you're going to get the most I think you're going to get the most I think you're going to get the most benefits from it. benefits from it. benefits from it. I'll just add when I was researching I'll just add when I was researching I'll just add when I was researching saunas originally when we I think it was saunas originally when we I think it was saunas originally when we I think it was 2017 2017 2017 or something when I first got it or 16, or something when I first got it or 16, or something when I first got it or 16, I don't know. I tried different saunas I don't know. I tried different saunas I don't know. I tried different saunas that are just the farm Fred and they're that are just the farm Fred and they're that are just the farm Fred and they're so hot and I threw up two times I tried so hot and I threw up two times I tried so hot and I threw up two times I tried it. I literally had to throw up in the it. I literally had to throw up in the it. I literally had to throw up in the garbage can in the room and I was I garbage can in the room and I was I garbage can in the room and I was I always wondered why it was just so hot. always wondered why it was just so hot. always wondered why it was just so hot. It was so extreme that I need to
08:00It was so extreme that I need to It was so extreme that I need to obviously work up to that. But it you obviously work up to that. But it you obviously work up to that. But it you mentioned being in the parasympathetic mentioned being in the parasympathetic mentioned being in the parasympathetic state and be able to relax and it kind state and be able to relax and it kind state and be able to relax and it kind of makes sense as I dive more into of makes sense as I dive more into of makes sense as I dive more into veagal nerve and being in veagal nerve and being in veagal nerve and being in parasympathetic state to heal, recover, parasympathetic state to heal, recover, parasympathetic state to heal, recover, repair. I wonder if it's too much repair. I wonder if it's too much repair. I wonder if it's too much hotness, too much heat that it's putting hotness, too much heat that it's putting hotness, too much heat that it's putting you in that fight orflight state so you you in that fight orflight state so you you in that fight orflight state so you don't get as many benefits to be able to don't get as many benefits to be able to don't get as many benefits to be able to let your cells open up and do what the let your cells open up and do what the let your cells open up and do what the sauna does. sauna does. sauna does. Yeah, that's very possible and Yeah, that's very possible and Yeah, that's very possible and everyone's going to be different. I everyone's going to be different. I everyone's going to be different. I think that's something extremely think that's something extremely think that's something extremely important to talk about is we are all important to talk about is we are all important to talk about is we are all bio-individuals. We are affected by bio-individuals. We are affected by bio-individuals. We are affected by things differently. Spinach might be things differently. Spinach might be things differently. Spinach might be extremely great for my digestion and extremely great for my digestion and extremely great for my digestion and terrible for yours. Um and same thing terrible for yours. Um and same thing terrible for yours. Um and same thing with this heat with this light. So that with this heat with this light. So that with this heat with this light. So that is one thing that you have to try it for is one thing that you have to try it for is one thing that you have to try it for yourself and see what works for you. Um, yourself and see what works for you. Um, yourself and see what works for you. Um, we can talk about routines and kind of we can talk about routines and kind of we can talk about routines and kind of prescriptions of what works best, but prescriptions of what works best, but prescriptions of what works best, but it's going to vary from person to it's going to vary from person to it's going to vary from person to person. Um, but that parasympathetic
09:00person. Um, but that parasympathetic person. Um, but that parasympathetic side, I love that, um, angle. I think it side, I love that, um, angle. I think it side, I love that, um, angle. I think it was Dr. Mindy Pel, she's talked about it was Dr. Mindy Pel, she's talked about it was Dr. Mindy Pel, she's talked about it really, really well. Um, because when really, really well. Um, because when really, really well. Um, because when you're in that fight orflight state, you're in that fight orflight state, you're in that fight orflight state, you're holding on to everything you can, you're holding on to everything you can, you're holding on to everything you can, including the bad things, the stress, including the bad things, the stress, including the bad things, the stress, the toxins. Um, you're not able to let the toxins. Um, you're not able to let the toxins. Um, you're not able to let things go. So that's where finding this things go. So that's where finding this things go. So that's where finding this beautiful routine, this balance of the beautiful routine, this balance of the beautiful routine, this balance of the heat, the light, um, and making it a heat, the light, um, and making it a heat, the light, um, and making it a good part of what you're doing, um, good part of what you're doing, um, good part of what you're doing, um, that's when you can see some of those that's when you can see some of those that's when you can see some of those long-term benefits. And that's something long-term benefits. And that's something long-term benefits. And that's something else I'd like to harp on here is it's else I'd like to harp on here is it's else I'd like to harp on here is it's about consistency. Same thing with those about consistency. Same thing with those about consistency. Same thing with those studies. They were showing studies. They were showing studies. They were showing >> reduction in all-c cause mortality goes >> reduction in all-c cause mortality goes >> reduction in all-c cause mortality goes down. um reduction in heart disease and down. um reduction in heart disease and down. um reduction in heart disease and the more you're able to do it as part of the more you're able to do it as part of the more you're able to do it as part of your weekly routine, the better benefits your weekly routine, the better benefits your weekly routine, the better benefits you saw. So, same thing with I mean you saw. So, same thing with I mean you saw. So, same thing with I mean honestly even just red light therapy honestly even just red light therapy honestly even just red light therapy too, the saunas, the more you can do it, too, the saunas, the more you can do it, too, the saunas, the more you can do it, the better off you are. And that's where the better off you are. And that's where the better off you are. And that's where I think sunlightening comes into play I think sunlightening comes into play
10:00I think sunlightening comes into play and and is so helpful for so many people and and is so helpful for so many people and and is so helpful for so many people because we have different options of because we have different options of because we have different options of saunas and it's having that option at saunas and it's having that option at saunas and it's having that option at home that you can make it you wake up home that you can make it you wake up home that you can make it you wake up and do it. you don't have to wake up, and do it. you don't have to wake up, and do it. you don't have to wake up, drive to the gym, get in the sauna drive to the gym, get in the sauna drive to the gym, get in the sauna there. Um, and if that's where you're there. Um, and if that's where you're there. Um, and if that's where you're at, amazing. But that's where we want to at, amazing. But that's where we want to at, amazing. But that's where we want to educate people on the optimal way to do educate people on the optimal way to do educate people on the optimal way to do it and all the options that are out it and all the options that are out it and all the options that are out there. there. there. So talking about the benefits of the So talking about the benefits of the So talking about the benefits of the near infrared wavelengths, the far and near infrared wavelengths, the far and near infrared wavelengths, the far and the mid and the far, but you mentioned the mid and the far, but you mentioned the mid and the far, but you mentioned first of all the heat shock proteins and first of all the heat shock proteins and first of all the heat shock proteins and a big area of as we focus on our future a big area of as we focus on our future a big area of as we focus on our future selves is the brain and cognitive health selves is the brain and cognitive health selves is the brain and cognitive health and the BDNF benefits. So, you know, and the BDNF benefits. So, you know, and the BDNF benefits. So, you know, where would you want to start on the where would you want to start on the where would you want to start on the benefits of sauna and we could talk benefits of sauna and we could talk benefits of sauna and we could talk about the different programs, but why or about the different programs, but why or about the different programs, but why or how they help and the I always love how they help and the I always love how they help and the I always love again, you know, me going down exactly again, you know, me going down exactly again, you know, me going down exactly how does it work? Just tell tell me that how does it work? Just tell tell me that how does it work? Just tell tell me that helps for detox, but how does it?
11:00helps for detox, but how does it? helps for detox, but how does it? >> Yeah. So with the brain um a couple of >> Yeah. So with the brain um a couple of >> Yeah. So with the brain um a couple of the main things that are going to be the main things that are going to be the main things that are going to be helpful there um are the foundational helpful there um are the foundational helpful there um are the foundational benefits detoxification benefits detoxification benefits detoxification and improved circulation and improved and improved circulation and improved and improved circulation and improved heart health. So if we're able to better heart health. So if we're able to better heart health. So if we're able to better deliver nutrients within the brain um deliver nutrients within the brain um deliver nutrients within the brain um get things moving better. I I talked get things moving better. I I talked get things moving better. I I talked earlier about the water molecules being earlier about the water molecules being earlier about the water molecules being affected. Um that is something massive affected. Um that is something massive affected. Um that is something massive just that flow that happens when that just that flow that happens when that just that flow that happens when that energy is delivered within the body energy is delivered within the body energy is delivered within the body everything starts moving differently everything starts moving differently everything starts moving differently and that's when toxins can be released and that's when toxins can be released and that's when toxins can be released because everything is flowing the the because everything is flowing the the because everything is flowing the the nutrients are being delivered with that nutrients are being delivered with that nutrients are being delivered with that increased circulation to the areas that increased circulation to the areas that increased circulation to the areas that might be inflamed. Um and so with might be inflamed. Um and so with might be inflamed. Um and so with decreased inflammation, I mean that's decreased inflammation, I mean that's decreased inflammation, I mean that's half the I mean I can't say half the half the I mean I can't say half the half the I mean I can't say half the problems that with with uh brain problems that with with uh brain problems that with with uh brain diseases, but um inflammation is a diseases, but um inflammation is a diseases, but um inflammation is a driver of pretty much all chronic driver of pretty much all chronic driver of pretty much all chronic disease. So if we can get to the source disease. So if we can get to the source disease. So if we can get to the source and figure out a way to naturally lower
12:00and figure out a way to naturally lower and figure out a way to naturally lower our inflammation, our inflammation, our inflammation, um the benefits are just I mean it's um the benefits are just I mean it's um the benefits are just I mean it's unimaginable how much we can benefit unimaginable how much we can benefit unimaginable how much we can benefit from that because it's just endless. Um from that because it's just endless. Um from that because it's just endless. Um so with that said um the other part is I so with that said um the other part is I so with that said um the other part is I mean especially for mental health um and mean especially for mental health um and mean especially for mental health um and just clarity um near infrared is one of just clarity um near infrared is one of just clarity um near infrared is one of the best ways to help support brain the best ways to help support brain the best ways to help support brain health whether that's creating um more health whether that's creating um more health whether that's creating um more connections within the brain um creating connections within the brain um creating connections within the brain um creating more mitochondria that was something I more mitochondria that was something I more mitochondria that was something I haven't really mentioned yet but that's haven't really mentioned yet but that's haven't really mentioned yet but that's something with near infrared if we have something with near infrared if we have something with near infrared if we have more mitochondria that means we have more mitochondria that means we have more mitochondria that means we have more energy production and with more energy production and with more energy production and with everything happening every system in the everything happening every system in the everything happening every system in the body uses energy to happen. So we need body uses energy to happen. So we need body uses energy to happen. So we need more mitochondria and as we age we don't more mitochondria and as we age we don't more mitochondria and as we age we don't have as much. So there's a lot of have as much. So there's a lot of have as much. So there's a lot of different layers to this. Um but those different layers to this. Um but those different layers to this. Um but those were some of the key ones that I think
13:00were some of the key ones that I think were some of the key ones that I think of just right off the bat um for of just right off the bat um for of just right off the bat um for especially for your brain. especially for your brain. especially for your brain. >> So going back just to make sure I have >> So going back just to make sure I have >> So going back just to make sure I have this right. You're saying the sauna, the this right. You're saying the sauna, the this right. You're saying the sauna, the far infrared helps create more flow of far infrared helps create more flow of far infrared helps create more flow of the water. So the deep penetrating the water. So the deep penetrating the water. So the deep penetrating furthest is far infred that's adding furthest is far infred that's adding furthest is far infred that's adding increased flow of water, but that'd be increased flow of water, but that'd be increased flow of water, but that'd be our lymphatic system, right? You're our lymphatic system, right? You're our lymphatic system, right? You're saying that to move things out. So it's saying that to move things out. So it's saying that to move things out. So it's really lymphatics. And if that is the really lymphatics. And if that is the really lymphatics. And if that is the same in the brain, that would be the same in the brain, that would be the same in the brain, that would be the lymphatic system. So being in the sauna lymphatic system. So being in the sauna lymphatic system. So being in the sauna in those sessions in those sessions in those sessions can help create lymph flow just by can help create lymph flow just by can help create lymph flow just by sitting in there not even doing sitting in there not even doing sitting in there not even doing lymphatic massage or anything. lymphatic massage or anything. lymphatic massage or anything. >> Yeah. And that's where combining >> Yeah. And that's where combining >> Yeah. And that's where combining everything where you can too. So if everything where you can too. So if everything where you can too. So if you're aware of that then get a session you're aware of that then get a session you're aware of that then get a session where you have this amazing lymphatic where you have this amazing lymphatic where you have this amazing lymphatic massage or have some of those tools that massage or have some of those tools that massage or have some of those tools that help with that drainage and um just help with that drainage and um just help with that drainage and um just stack however you can and um it just stack however you can and um it just stack however you can and um it just adds to the benefits. But yeah, with the
14:00adds to the benefits. But yeah, with the adds to the benefits. But yeah, with the flow, um, it's also the circulation flow, um, it's also the circulation flow, um, it's also the circulation part. Like I said, it's the heart part. Like I said, it's the heart part. Like I said, it's the heart health. I mean, everybody has a heart health. I mean, everybody has a heart health. I mean, everybody has a heart and eventually it's going to stop. So, and eventually it's going to stop. So, and eventually it's going to stop. So, we have to do everything we can to we have to do everything we can to we have to do everything we can to increase the circulation to have the increase the circulation to have the increase the circulation to have the blood vessels that are nice and um able blood vessels that are nice and um able blood vessels that are nice and um able to constrict and contract and um expand, to constrict and contract and um expand, to constrict and contract and um expand, but not do it where they're clogged or but not do it where they're clogged or but not do it where they're clogged or um they've become stiff. Um, that's um they've become stiff. Um, that's um they've become stiff. Um, that's where the problems can happen. Um, and where the problems can happen. Um, and where the problems can happen. Um, and that's kind of where jumping ahead a that's kind of where jumping ahead a that's kind of where jumping ahead a little bit, but with contrast therapy, little bit, but with contrast therapy, little bit, but with contrast therapy, you do get that constriction when you're you do get that constriction when you're you do get that constriction when you're cold. And so having both the cold. And so having both the cold. And so having both the constriction and then the relaxation of constriction and then the relaxation of constriction and then the relaxation of your blood vessels, um, that's where the your blood vessels, um, that's where the your blood vessels, um, that's where the magic happens. magic happens. magic happens. >> Okay. So before we go into that, because >> Okay. So before we go into that, because >> Okay. So before we go into that, because that's a whole deep topic. that's a whole deep topic. that's a whole deep topic. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> A big interest for a lot of people. But >> A big interest for a lot of people. But >> A big interest for a lot of people. But this the sauna just adding in I'll say this the sauna just adding in I'll say this the sauna just adding in I'll say just a lymphatic drainage. I was just just a lymphatic drainage. I was just just a lymphatic drainage. I was just looking at videos yesterday there. looking at videos yesterday there. looking at videos yesterday there. You're not like hammering your face, but You're not like hammering your face, but You're not like hammering your face, but just a soft touch is actually lymph
15:00just a soft touch is actually lymph just a soft touch is actually lymph massage that you could do before or massage that you could do before or massage that you could do before or during the session. We've done a lot during the session. We've done a lot during the session. We've done a lot with Jodie Cohen of Vibrant Blue Oils, with Jodie Cohen of Vibrant Blue Oils, with Jodie Cohen of Vibrant Blue Oils, but there's a lymph oil you can put on but there's a lymph oil you can put on but there's a lymph oil you can put on below your collar bones, below your jaw below your collar bones, below your jaw below your collar bones, below your jaw and help that. But even foam roller, and help that. But even foam roller, and help that. But even foam roller, normate boots. I think all that stacking normate boots. I think all that stacking normate boots. I think all that stacking pre-a could help amplify the session. pre-a could help amplify the session. pre-a could help amplify the session. And And And >> yeah, even something as simple as dry >> yeah, even something as simple as dry >> yeah, even something as simple as dry brushing. I mean, that's fun. brushing. I mean, that's fun. brushing. I mean, that's fun. >> I forgot that. That's the main one. >> I forgot that. That's the main one. >> I forgot that. That's the main one. >> Dry brushing the rebounder, we always >> Dry brushing the rebounder, we always >> Dry brushing the rebounder, we always say. Yeah. say. Yeah. say. Yeah. >> Yeah. And just having that ready as your >> Yeah. And just having that ready as your >> Yeah. And just having that ready as your sauna's heating up. I mean, you can do sauna's heating up. I mean, you can do sauna's heating up. I mean, you can do it. Um, get in the sauna as you turn it it. Um, get in the sauna as you turn it it. Um, get in the sauna as you turn it on because that's something that we've on because that's something that we've on because that's something that we've been learning, too. Um, Dr. Michael been learning, too. Um, Dr. Michael been learning, too. Um, Dr. Michael Hamlin, he's one of our scientific Hamlin, he's one of our scientific Hamlin, he's one of our scientific adviserss, and he is just the absolute adviserss, and he is just the absolute adviserss, and he is just the absolute expert for all things infrared. He's got expert for all things infrared. He's got expert for all things infrared. He's got all the studies pretty much ever if it all the studies pretty much ever if it all the studies pretty much ever if it relates to infrared. he's relates to infrared. he's relates to infrared. he's um and he's talked about turn on your um and he's talked about turn on your um and he's talked about turn on your sauna and get in. I mean, it's it's like sauna and get in. I mean, it's it's like sauna and get in. I mean, it's it's like a light bulb. You turn that switch and
16:00a light bulb. You turn that switch and a light bulb. You turn that switch and the light is on. So, get in. You're the light is on. So, get in. You're the light is on. So, get in. You're going to be getting the light benefits. going to be getting the light benefits. going to be getting the light benefits. Yes, you may not be sweating right away. Yes, you may not be sweating right away. Yes, you may not be sweating right away. Um but if you're just in a pinch ready Um but if you're just in a pinch ready Um but if you're just in a pinch ready to get a session in, dry brush, get in to get a session in, dry brush, get in to get a session in, dry brush, get in your sauna, just make it happen. Um and your sauna, just make it happen. Um and your sauna, just make it happen. Um and you'll see some benefits immediately. you'll see some benefits immediately. you'll see some benefits immediately. >> Yeah. So, that's a good one. Now, with >> Yeah. So, that's a good one. Now, with >> Yeah. So, that's a good one. Now, with the muscle recovery, there's the muscle recovery, there's the muscle recovery, there's interesting the cardiovascular health interesting the cardiovascular health interesting the cardiovascular health benefits. We talked about Oh, I was benefits. We talked about Oh, I was benefits. We talked about Oh, I was going to say too, the lymphatic system going to say too, the lymphatic system going to say too, the lymphatic system doesn't have a heart to pump it. So, doesn't have a heart to pump it. So, doesn't have a heart to pump it. So, doing, you know, that movement we're doing, you know, that movement we're doing, you know, that movement we're talking about the lymphatic flow to talking about the lymphatic flow to talking about the lymphatic flow to increase even doing toe taps, calf increase even doing toe taps, calf increase even doing toe taps, calf raises. A good analogy someone said the raises. A good analogy someone said the raises. A good analogy someone said the other day was having uh your calf is other day was having uh your calf is other day was having uh your calf is your second heart. So you need the pump your second heart. So you need the pump your second heart. So you need the pump up to get your lymphatic system working up to get your lymphatic system working up to get your lymphatic system working for the sauna, but also you're saying for the sauna, but also you're saying for the sauna, but also you're saying the cardiovascular system helping the the cardiovascular system helping the the cardiovascular system helping the heart. But for people recovering from heart. But for people recovering from heart. But for people recovering from workouts, post exercise, anything on workouts, post exercise, anything on workouts, post exercise, anything on there, we can add in the benefits of
17:00there, we can add in the benefits of there, we can add in the benefits of sauna postworkout. I know Stacy Sims sauna postworkout. I know Stacy Sims sauna postworkout. I know Stacy Sims even said finish a workout and then do even said finish a workout and then do even said finish a workout and then do the sauna has some benefits. the sauna has some benefits. the sauna has some benefits. >> Yeah. So one of the things is you're >> Yeah. So one of the things is you're >> Yeah. So one of the things is you're already you've got that blood flow already you've got that blood flow already you've got that blood flow going. you've got that increase in core going. you've got that increase in core going. you've got that increase in core temperature. So you continue that. So temperature. So you continue that. So temperature. So you continue that. So thinking about your metabolism, thinking about your metabolism, thinking about your metabolism, everything continues more because you're everything continues more because you're everything continues more because you're in that slightly stressed state. You're in that slightly stressed state. You're in that slightly stressed state. You're training body to with I mean just to not training body to with I mean just to not training body to with I mean just to not panic too much. I mean it's not like panic too much. I mean it's not like panic too much. I mean it's not like we're again getting into these super hot we're again getting into these super hot we're again getting into these super hot saunas after your workout. Um but it's saunas after your workout. Um but it's saunas after your workout. Um but it's that relaxation part that I think is that relaxation part that I think is that relaxation part that I think is very important. um the reduction in very important. um the reduction in very important. um the reduction in inflammation and then the blood flow inflammation and then the blood flow inflammation and then the blood flow like you are getting everything moving like you are getting everything moving like you are getting everything moving um and just delivering the oxygen to um and just delivering the oxygen to um and just delivering the oxygen to those areas that just worked incredibly those areas that just worked incredibly those areas that just worked incredibly hard whatever it was that you were hard whatever it was that you were hard whatever it was that you were doing. Um it's with that focus I think doing. Um it's with that focus I think doing. Um it's with that focus I think too if you got just got done with your too if you got just got done with your too if you got just got done with your workout and and you can get in your
18:00workout and and you can get in your workout and and you can get in your sauna and maybe do some light stretching sauna and maybe do some light stretching sauna and maybe do some light stretching that's always beneficial. Um we have a that's always beneficial. Um we have a that's always beneficial. Um we have a study that was done at um Bison Lighten study that was done at um Bison Lighten study that was done at um Bison Lighten that showed an increased in flexibility that showed an increased in flexibility that showed an increased in flexibility through sauna use. So we know that in through sauna use. So we know that in through sauna use. So we know that in the sauna you are a little bit more the sauna you are a little bit more the sauna you are a little bit more flexible. So I'm not saying um do flexible. So I'm not saying um do flexible. So I'm not saying um do anything crazy stretching wise, but um anything crazy stretching wise, but um anything crazy stretching wise, but um you're just a little more limber, you're you're just a little more limber, you're you're just a little more limber, you're a little more relaxed, and that's just a little more relaxed, and that's just a little more relaxed, and that's just the perfect way to kind of wind down the perfect way to kind of wind down the perfect way to kind of wind down from some of those hard sessions and from some of those hard sessions and from some of those hard sessions and then just continue on those benefits. I then just continue on those benefits. I then just continue on those benefits. I remember years ago when Beerram yoga remember years ago when Beerram yoga remember years ago when Beerram yoga started and I was a fitness assistant started and I was a fitness assistant started and I was a fitness assistant fitness director at this club, Belby fitness director at this club, Belby fitness director at this club, Belby Club and Beerram Yoga people, the Club and Beerram Yoga people, the Club and Beerram Yoga people, the teachers actually would get injured teachers actually would get injured teachers actually would get injured because it was so hot. Remember they had because it was so hot. Remember they had because it was so hot. Remember they had to have hundred they had to set to have hundred they had to set to have hundred they had to set temperature beer yoga so many poses temperature beer yoga so many poses temperature beer yoga so many poses standing and then lying down. But people standing and then lying down. But people standing and then lying down. But people always got injured because they were always got injured because they were always got injured because they were overstretching and pulling something overstretching and pulling something overstretching and pulling something because of that heat. So yes, gentle because of that heat. So yes, gentle because of that heat. So yes, gentle stretching, not excessive in the sauna. stretching, not excessive in the sauna. stretching, not excessive in the sauna. So, talking about detoxification, I've
19:00So, talking about detoxification, I've So, talking about detoxification, I've been diving into a ton of rabbit hole been diving into a ton of rabbit hole been diving into a ton of rabbit hole episodes that I find interesting. I episodes that I find interesting. I episodes that I find interesting. I don't know if anyone's listening to don't know if anyone's listening to don't know if anyone's listening to understanding the curiosity as I do of understanding the curiosity as I do of understanding the curiosity as I do of of all the environmental toxins, mold of all the environmental toxins, mold of all the environmental toxins, mold toxicity, all the stuff in our toxicity, all the stuff in our toxicity, all the stuff in our environment that we're getting in and we environment that we're getting in and we environment that we're getting in and we don't know that we might not realize don't know that we might not realize don't know that we might not realize that we have this toxic overload and that we have this toxic overload and that we have this toxic overload and over work in our liver and our detox over work in our liver and our detox over work in our liver and our detox pathways and the drainage pathways. I've pathways and the drainage pathways. I've pathways and the drainage pathways. I've done a ton of Geek Out, you know, done a ton of Geek Out, you know, done a ton of Geek Out, you know, understand it all. If people want to understand it all. If people want to understand it all. If people want to learn more, listen to like five episodes learn more, listen to like five episodes learn more, listen to like five episodes on it. But how does a sauna help in part on it. But how does a sauna help in part on it. But how does a sauna help in part of the detoxification from all these of the detoxification from all these of the detoxification from all these toxins? toxins? toxins? >> Yeah. So, of course, sweating is great >> Yeah. So, of course, sweating is great >> Yeah. So, of course, sweating is great for detoxification. We'll jump to that for detoxification. We'll jump to that for detoxification. We'll jump to that in a second. But back to the systems in a second. But back to the systems in a second. But back to the systems like if we are able to again back with like if we are able to again back with like if we are able to again back with mitochondria if we are able to have more mitochondria if we are able to have more mitochondria if we are able to have more energy reduce inflammation energy reduce inflammation energy reduce inflammation um that is going to support our natural um that is going to support our natural um that is going to support our natural detox pathways everything that you just detox pathways everything that you just detox pathways everything that you just mentioned from the liver um that is
20:00mentioned from the liver um that is mentioned from the liver um that is supported through just increased energy supported through just increased energy supported through just increased energy levels and through reduced inflammation. levels and through reduced inflammation. levels and through reduced inflammation. So just on that side alone, we're So just on that side alone, we're So just on that side alone, we're supporting the systems. We're making supporting the systems. We're making supporting the systems. We're making ourselves stronger in all these ourselves stronger in all these ourselves stronger in all these different ways. Um but then the sweating different ways. Um but then the sweating different ways. Um but then the sweating aspect, like that is something that is aspect, like that is something that is aspect, like that is something that is incredibly important. Um we don't need incredibly important. Um we don't need incredibly important. Um we don't need to rely on just one detox pathway. Like to rely on just one detox pathway. Like to rely on just one detox pathway. Like imagine if it was only our liver that imagine if it was only our liver that imagine if it was only our liver that did everything and we're not thinking did everything and we're not thinking did everything and we're not thinking about through just other excretion. Um about through just other excretion. Um about through just other excretion. Um there's a study done called the bus there's a study done called the bus there's a study done called the bus study that was instrumental in proving study that was instrumental in proving study that was instrumental in proving that sweat is beyond just that sweat is beyond just that sweat is beyond just thermmorreulation. We don't sweat just thermmorreulation. We don't sweat just thermmorreulation. We don't sweat just because our body is cooling off. Um and because our body is cooling off. Um and because our body is cooling off. Um and there are still physicians and doctors there are still physicians and doctors there are still physicians and doctors and experts that think that is the case. and experts that think that is the case. and experts that think that is the case. Um but this bus study was done and it Um but this bus study was done and it Um but this bus study was done and it showed that heavy metals were removed showed that heavy metals were removed showed that heavy metals were removed through sweat more so than through through sweat more so than through through sweat more so than through exercise or just even um through your
21:00exercise or just even um through your exercise or just even um through your blood and urine. So that is what the bus blood and urine. So that is what the bus blood and urine. So that is what the bus study is blood, urine and sweat. So study is blood, urine and sweat. So study is blood, urine and sweat. So those are different ways that we're those are different ways that we're those are different ways that we're releasing these toxins. And um I think releasing these toxins. And um I think releasing these toxins. And um I think it was mercury that was one of the more it was mercury that was one of the more it was mercury that was one of the more um dramatic results is mercury is one of um dramatic results is mercury is one of um dramatic results is mercury is one of those things that can hide. So, it's not those things that can hide. So, it's not those things that can hide. So, it's not going to show up in a blood panel going to show up in a blood panel going to show up in a blood panel perhaps, but in these in this test that perhaps, but in these in this test that perhaps, but in these in this test that was done on these individuals, there was done on these individuals, there was done on these individuals, there were people that had no mercury in their were people that had no mercury in their were people that had no mercury in their blood, but they had it in their sweat. blood, but they had it in their sweat. blood, but they had it in their sweat. So, it is knocking out some of these So, it is knocking out some of these So, it is knocking out some of these things that are just wreaking havoc on things that are just wreaking havoc on things that are just wreaking havoc on the population. I mean, as you said, the the population. I mean, as you said, the the population. I mean, as you said, the toxins that are in our in the toxins that are in our in the toxins that are in our in the environment, we can't escape them. It's environment, we can't escape them. It's environment, we can't escape them. It's in the air we breathe. We can eat as in the air we breathe. We can eat as in the air we breathe. We can eat as well as possible. we can avoid um the well as possible. we can avoid um the well as possible. we can avoid um the harmful products that are out there as harmful products that are out there as harmful products that are out there as much as possible, but it's it's much as possible, but it's it's much as possible, but it's it's inevitable to have some toxicity and inevitable to have some toxicity and inevitable to have some toxicity and everyone has a different factor or just everyone has a different factor or just everyone has a different factor or just um ability to withstand these toxins. Um
22:00um ability to withstand these toxins. Um um ability to withstand these toxins. Um so if I am overloaded with these toxins, so if I am overloaded with these toxins, so if I am overloaded with these toxins, that's when chaos can happen. That's that's when chaos can happen. That's that's when chaos can happen. That's when the inflammation increases and and when the inflammation increases and and when the inflammation increases and and problems arise. whether it's um problems arise. whether it's um problems arise. whether it's um autoimmune disease um just more chronic autoimmune disease um just more chronic autoimmune disease um just more chronic illness in different ways like looking illness in different ways like looking illness in different ways like looking back many times it's the it's the toxins back many times it's the it's the toxins back many times it's the it's the toxins that are the problem and that's where that are the problem and that's where that are the problem and that's where the foundational side we've got to get the foundational side we've got to get the foundational side we've got to get to the bottom of it support our pathways to the bottom of it support our pathways to the bottom of it support our pathways for detoxification and then don't forget for detoxification and then don't forget for detoxification and then don't forget about the sweat um we've got to sweat to about the sweat um we've got to sweat to about the sweat um we've got to sweat to get some of that stuff out get some of that stuff out get some of that stuff out >> for sure now that reminds me of we're >> for sure now that reminds me of we're >> for sure now that reminds me of we're trying to figure out stacking if we look trying to figure out stacking if we look trying to figure out stacking if we look at the supplements if we can help take at the supplements if we can help take at the supplements if we can help take something in the beginning of a sauna something in the beginning of a sauna something in the beginning of a sauna and afterwards as a binder. Have you and afterwards as a binder. Have you and afterwards as a binder. Have you guys had any studies done on how to guys had any studies done on how to guys had any studies done on how to enhance the detoxification process, enhance the detoxification process, enhance the detoxification process, releasing toxins from the body and then releasing toxins from the body and then releasing toxins from the body and then getting a binder so we make sure they're
23:00getting a binder so we make sure they're getting a binder so we make sure they're collected and someone's taking them out, collected and someone's taking them out, collected and someone's taking them out, escorting them out through sweat, urine, escorting them out through sweat, urine, escorting them out through sweat, urine, poop. poop. poop. >> Yeah. Exactly. So that's a perfect tool >> Yeah. Exactly. So that's a perfect tool >> Yeah. Exactly. So that's a perfect tool is is through your um through what is is through your um through what is is through your um through what you're consuming through these binders, you're consuming through these binders, you're consuming through these binders, these supplements um because they can be these supplements um because they can be these supplements um because they can be extremely powerful and for some people extremely powerful and for some people extremely powerful and for some people it's too much. So this is definitely it's too much. So this is definitely it's too much. So this is definitely something consult with your physician, something consult with your physician, something consult with your physician, have testing done, see and have a game have testing done, see and have a game have testing done, see and have a game plan. Um, everybody's going to react plan. Um, everybody's going to react plan. Um, everybody's going to react differently like we've talked about. And differently like we've talked about. And differently like we've talked about. And so having a binder in your system so so having a binder in your system so so having a binder in your system so that when you are in your sauna, um, I that when you are in your sauna, um, I that when you are in your sauna, um, I think it was Dave Asprey in one of our think it was Dave Asprey in one of our think it was Dave Asprey in one of our Instagram lives we did with him, he Instagram lives we did with him, he Instagram lives we did with him, he talked about always using some sort of a talked about always using some sort of a talked about always using some sort of a binder. Otherwise, he has brain fog binder. Otherwise, he has brain fog binder. Otherwise, he has brain fog while he's in the sauna because so much while he's in the sauna because so much while he's in the sauna because so much stuff is being removed um, and is just stuff is being removed um, and is just stuff is being removed um, and is just in the system. It needs help getting in the system. It needs help getting in the system. It needs help getting out. as you just said, just having that out. as you just said, just having that out. as you just said, just having that little handholding of like, okay, we're little handholding of like, okay, we're little handholding of like, okay, we're getting you out of your system. You're getting you out of your system. You're getting you out of your system. You're moving. Let's go. Um, and so there's a
24:00moving. Let's go. Um, and so there's a moving. Let's go. Um, and so there's a lot of different binders, whether it's lot of different binders, whether it's lot of different binders, whether it's the activated charcoal, um, bitite the activated charcoal, um, bitite the activated charcoal, um, bitite glaze, um, even chlorella. I mean, it's glaze, um, even chlorella. I mean, it's glaze, um, even chlorella. I mean, it's just something so simple and natural, just something so simple and natural, just something so simple and natural, but all of those are great tools and the but all of those are great tools and the but all of those are great tools and the timing is extremely important. Um, so timing is extremely important. Um, so timing is extremely important. Um, so that's something that's going to vary a that's something that's going to vary a that's something that's going to vary a little bit person to person. Um, but little bit person to person. Um, but little bit person to person. Um, but that's where with some help through a that's where with some help through a that's where with some help through a physician or um just other natural um physician or um just other natural um physician or um just other natural um experts, they can help guide you of experts, they can help guide you of experts, they can help guide you of okay, do this 60 minutes before your okay, do this 60 minutes before your okay, do this 60 minutes before your sauna or do this just after you get out sauna or do this just after you get out sauna or do this just after you get out of the sauna. Um because they all of the sauna. Um because they all of the sauna. Um because they all everything all these binders um work in everything all these binders um work in everything all these binders um work in different ways. So it's important to be different ways. So it's important to be different ways. So it's important to be very strategic with them. very strategic with them. very strategic with them. >> Yes, I think that'd be good experiment >> Yes, I think that'd be good experiment >> Yes, I think that'd be good experiment because it is very n equals one and because it is very n equals one and because it is very n equals one and experiment. How do you feel if you take experiment. How do you feel if you take experiment. How do you feel if you take it 30 minutes before or do you take it it 30 minutes before or do you take it it 30 minutes before or do you take it right when you get out or you know an right when you get out or you know an right when you get out or you know an hour before and figure out what works hour before and figure out what works hour before and figure out what works best for you? But working with a best for you? But working with a best for you? But working with a practitioner would be good to have practitioner would be good to have practitioner would be good to have someone guide you in that process.
25:00someone guide you in that process. someone guide you in that process. >> Yep. Exactly. >> Yep. Exactly. >> Yep. Exactly. >> So to enhance the session you have right >> So to enhance the session you have right >> So to enhance the session you have right after I bought mine the red light panels after I bought mine the red light panels after I bought mine the red light panels available in the the sauna. What type of available in the the sauna. What type of available in the the sauna. What type of benefits have you found in research benefits have you found in research benefits have you found in research showing the red light combined with the showing the red light combined with the showing the red light combined with the sauna near fall? sauna near fall? sauna near fall? >> Yes. So, it's it's all about just extra >> Yes. So, it's it's all about just extra >> Yes. So, it's it's all about just extra light. I mean, honestly, um we need to light. I mean, honestly, um we need to light. I mean, honestly, um we need to think about light as part of our diet think about light as part of our diet think about light as part of our diet almost. Um one of my favorite analogies almost. Um one of my favorite analogies almost. Um one of my favorite analogies is we are solar panels or we were is we are solar panels or we were is we are solar panels or we were designed as solar panels, right? So, um designed as solar panels, right? So, um designed as solar panels, right? So, um the episode talking about morning the episode talking about morning the episode talking about morning sunlight that is so important and so sunlight that is so important and so sunlight that is so important and so easy to get. I mean, unless maybe yes, easy to get. I mean, unless maybe yes, easy to get. I mean, unless maybe yes, if you were up in Washington, I could if you were up in Washington, I could if you were up in Washington, I could see some more um problems with getting see some more um problems with getting see some more um problems with getting that early morning light. Uh but even that early morning light. Uh but even that early morning light. Uh but even when it's blocked by the clouds, you're when it's blocked by the clouds, you're when it's blocked by the clouds, you're still getting some of those healthy still getting some of those healthy still getting some of those healthy rays. So, um by combining red and near, rays. So, um by combining red and near, rays. So, um by combining red and near, um they are so close to each other on um they are so close to each other on um they are so close to each other on the spectrum. Um but their benefits when
26:00the spectrum. Um but their benefits when the spectrum. Um but their benefits when combined just complement each other combined just complement each other combined just complement each other extremely well. So red is a little more extremely well. So red is a little more extremely well. So red is a little more surface level. Um it is more of the skin surface level. Um it is more of the skin surface level. Um it is more of the skin benefits helping with fine lines, benefits helping with fine lines, benefits helping with fine lines, wrinkles through collagen production, wrinkles through collagen production, wrinkles through collagen production, elastin. Um all of that side of things elastin. Um all of that side of things elastin. Um all of that side of things is is awesome too especially as we are is is awesome too especially as we are is is awesome too especially as we are aging. Um but from there too it's the aging. Um but from there too it's the aging. Um but from there too it's the inflammation reduction that happens um inflammation reduction that happens um inflammation reduction that happens um more about the mitochondria. So, we have more about the mitochondria. So, we have more about the mitochondria. So, we have different sauna models that have different sauna models that have different sauna models that have different wavelengths. Um, we do have different wavelengths. Um, we do have different wavelengths. Um, we do have some saunas that only have far infrared. some saunas that only have far infrared. some saunas that only have far infrared. Um, and those were used in some of our Um, and those were used in some of our Um, and those were used in some of our testing and um, they are still extremely testing and um, they are still extremely testing and um, they are still extremely beneficial, but the more wavelengths you beneficial, but the more wavelengths you beneficial, but the more wavelengths you have, the different layers of benefits have, the different layers of benefits have, the different layers of benefits you're getting. Um, and something that's you're getting. Um, and something that's you're getting. Um, and something that's extremely important and and you talk extremely important and and you talk extremely important and and you talk about this a lot is the quality of the about this a lot is the quality of the about this a lot is the quality of the light. And so that is something where light. And so that is something where light. And so that is something where Sunlighten has developed products with
27:00Sunlighten has developed products with Sunlighten has developed products with the highest emissivity on the market. the highest emissivity on the market. the highest emissivity on the market. And that means our body's ability to And that means our body's ability to And that means our body's ability to absorb that light. So it needs to be absorb that light. So it needs to be absorb that light. So it needs to be delivered in very specific ways with the delivered in very specific ways with the delivered in very specific ways with the right heating technology so that you can right heating technology so that you can right heating technology so that you can get those benefits. I mean, thinking get those benefits. I mean, thinking get those benefits. I mean, thinking about supplements, quality matters. Like about supplements, quality matters. Like about supplements, quality matters. Like you might be getting 1,000 milligs of you might be getting 1,000 milligs of you might be getting 1,000 milligs of vitamin C and just flush it right back vitamin C and just flush it right back vitamin C and just flush it right back out. But there's different forms and um out. But there's different forms and um out. But there's different forms and um ways to take in that vitamin C that ways to take in that vitamin C that ways to take in that vitamin C that you're actually absorbing it. And kind you're actually absorbing it. And kind you're actually absorbing it. And kind of the same thing with light. It might of the same thing with light. It might of the same thing with light. It might just reflect off or it might not just reflect off or it might not just reflect off or it might not actually absorb and penetrate into your actually absorb and penetrate into your actually absorb and penetrate into your body and deliver that light energy. So body and deliver that light energy. So body and deliver that light energy. So with the combination, our impulse sauna with the combination, our impulse sauna with the combination, our impulse sauna is the one that you're talking about. It is the one that you're talking about. It is the one that you're talking about. It has the integrated red light and near has the integrated red light and near has the integrated red light and near infrared and that is the one that has infrared and that is the one that has infrared and that is the one that has all the bells and whistles. You can even all the bells and whistles. You can even all the bells and whistles. You can even watch Netflix in there. choosing watch Netflix in there. choosing watch Netflix in there. choosing different programs that have different different programs that have different different programs that have different combinations of light. And I think combinations of light. And I think combinations of light. And I think that's what makes it special, too, is is that's what makes it special, too, is is that's what makes it special, too, is is the combinations. You don't want to much the combinations. You don't want to much the combinations. You don't want to much like training. When you're running a
28:00like training. When you're running a like training. When you're running a marathon, you don't do the same thing marathon, you don't do the same thing marathon, you don't do the same thing every single day. every single day. every single day. >> You have to change it up. >> You have to change it up. >> You have to change it up. >> Yeah. So, think about that with your >> Yeah. So, think about that with your >> Yeah. So, think about that with your sauna sessions, too. Get in there early. sauna sessions, too. Get in there early. sauna sessions, too. Get in there early. Sometimes stay in a little bit longer. Sometimes stay in a little bit longer. Sometimes stay in a little bit longer. Um, don't go quite as hot. have these Um, don't go quite as hot. have these Um, don't go quite as hot. have these different wavelengths going on different wavelengths going on different wavelengths going on throughout so that it kind of keeps your throughout so that it kind of keeps your throughout so that it kind of keeps your body guessing. body guessing. body guessing. >> Muscle confusion. We used to always say >> Muscle confusion. We used to always say >> Muscle confusion. We used to always say when you to mix up your workout, so when you to mix up your workout, so when you to mix up your workout, so confuse your body, yourselves confuse your body, yourselves confuse your body, yourselves have the different programs. have the different programs. have the different programs. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> So getting red light therapy in there is >> So getting red light therapy in there is >> So getting red light therapy in there is helpful. And then I know I have a face helpful. And then I know I have a face helpful. And then I know I have a face mask, a different company face mask. I mask, a different company face mask. I mask, a different company face mask. I have a different kind of flex beam thing have a different kind of flex beam thing have a different kind of flex beam thing I can put over my liver and your I can put over my liver and your I can put over my liver and your gallbladder help. you could put over gallbladder help. you could put over gallbladder help. you could put over your belly. There's all this research your belly. There's all this research your belly. There's all this research even on your thyroid. So, and I know I even on your thyroid. So, and I know I even on your thyroid. So, and I know I can't take mine into the sauna, but your can't take mine into the sauna, but your can't take mine into the sauna, but your panels that you guys use in the news the panels that you guys use in the news the panels that you guys use in the news the new version, can you direct certain new version, can you direct certain new version, can you direct certain areas to apply it or can you take it in
29:00areas to apply it or can you take it in areas to apply it or can you take it in the sauna? the sauna? the sauna? >> It's more systemic, I would say, because >> It's more systemic, I would say, because >> It's more systemic, I would say, because it's it's around you and you're also in it's it's around you and you're also in it's it's around you and you're also in the sauna longer. So, when it comes to the sauna longer. So, when it comes to the sauna longer. So, when it comes to light, um it's the Goldilocks effect. light, um it's the Goldilocks effect. light, um it's the Goldilocks effect. And same with sauna use, right? there's And same with sauna use, right? there's And same with sauna use, right? there's too little, it's not going to do much. too little, it's not going to do much. too little, it's not going to do much. And too much, it can be too much. So, And too much, it can be too much. So, And too much, it can be too much. So, the power density is something very the power density is something very the power density is something very important to talk about, too. Um, with important to talk about, too. Um, with important to talk about, too. Um, with our impulse sauna, the power density our impulse sauna, the power density our impulse sauna, the power density isn't quite as high. So, you're in there isn't quite as high. So, you're in there isn't quite as high. So, you're in there longer. Um, you can target certain areas longer. Um, you can target certain areas longer. Um, you can target certain areas because the strips are um they are because the strips are um they are because the strips are um they are static. They're not moving. So, you static. They're not moving. So, you static. They're not moving. So, you could sit like for me, I always have could sit like for me, I always have could sit like for me, I always have back pain and that's perfect because back pain and that's perfect because back pain and that's perfect because this thing goes right up and down your this thing goes right up and down your this thing goes right up and down your spine. So, you're getting that near spine. So, you're getting that near spine. So, you're getting that near infrared, that red light right up infrared, that red light right up infrared, that red light right up against your back. Um, if you wanted to against your back. Um, if you wanted to against your back. Um, if you wanted to lean into it with your face, it may be lean into it with your face, it may be lean into it with your face, it may be somewhat uncomfortable, but as you somewhat uncomfortable, but as you somewhat uncomfortable, but as you mentioned, we have a red light panel mentioned, we have a red light panel mentioned, we have a red light panel that is outside of the sauna, and that that is outside of the sauna, and that that is outside of the sauna, and that panel has red and near infrared at the
30:00panel has red and near infrared at the panel has red and near infrared at the precise nanometers that we've um found precise nanometers that we've um found precise nanometers that we've um found to be the most beneficial, which is 850 to be the most beneficial, which is 850 to be the most beneficial, which is 850 for near and then 660 for red. And so for near and then 660 for red. And so for near and then 660 for red. And so those nanometers um again similar to those nanometers um again similar to those nanometers um again similar to these different wavelengths for infrared these different wavelengths for infrared these different wavelengths for infrared in general, they each do different in general, they each do different in general, they each do different things and are better absorbed at those things and are better absorbed at those things and are better absorbed at those levels. So that's something very levels. So that's something very levels. So that's something very important to consider um when thinking important to consider um when thinking important to consider um when thinking about that. But um every it's just so about that. But um every it's just so about that. But um every it's just so cool how much this is exploding. I mean cool how much this is exploding. I mean cool how much this is exploding. I mean you just talked about these different you just talked about these different you just talked about these different tools that you're using personally. Um tools that you're using personally. Um tools that you're using personally. Um my dad, he has a helmet um that is near my dad, he has a helmet um that is near my dad, he has a helmet um that is near infraredbased um with a slightly infraredbased um with a slightly infraredbased um with a slightly different nanometer and it's to different nanometer and it's to different nanometer and it's to penetrate into the brain further. So he penetrate into the brain further. So he penetrate into the brain further. So he has Parkinson's and it's something that has Parkinson's and it's something that has Parkinson's and it's something that we're just trying to help him with um we're just trying to help him with um we're just trying to help him with um these natural remedies because it's a these natural remedies because it's a these natural remedies because it's a heck of a disease. I mean it's it's heck of a disease. I mean it's it's heck of a disease. I mean it's it's absolutely terrible. But to have tools absolutely terrible. But to have tools absolutely terrible. But to have tools like this that have so much promise um I
31:00like this that have so much promise um I like this that have so much promise um I mean I'm getting chills talking about it mean I'm getting chills talking about it mean I'm getting chills talking about it because it's the passion. Um, and the because it's the passion. Um, and the because it's the passion. Um, and the the hope that I think are going to help the hope that I think are going to help the hope that I think are going to help people the most. I mean, we're talking people the most. I mean, we're talking people the most. I mean, we're talking about what's happening now, like with AI about what's happening now, like with AI about what's happening now, like with AI and just what we're learning. The future and just what we're learning. The future and just what we're learning. The future is just so bright. Um, pardon the light is just so bright. Um, pardon the light is just so bright. Um, pardon the light pun there, but um, there's just so much pun there, but um, there's just so much pun there, but um, there's just so much possibility and, um, the fact that all possibility and, um, the fact that all possibility and, um, the fact that all these listeners are probably very new to these listeners are probably very new to these listeners are probably very new to these topics and, um, to be able to these topics and, um, to be able to these topics and, um, to be able to expose them to these technologies, it expose them to these technologies, it expose them to these technologies, it just it's it's a really cool thing to be just it's it's a really cool thing to be just it's it's a really cool thing to be a part of. a part of. a part of. Well, you have to listen to I've did two Well, you have to listen to I've did two Well, you have to listen to I've did two or three podcasts with Martha Carlin and or three podcasts with Martha Carlin and or three podcasts with Martha Carlin and Dr. William Davis on cognitive health, Dr. William Davis on cognitive health, Dr. William Davis on cognitive health, but specifically her research is but specifically her research is but specifically her research is Parkinson's. So, and I know she's coming Parkinson's. So, and I know she's coming Parkinson's. So, and I know she's coming into town in a couple weeks for the into town in a couple weeks for the into town in a couple weeks for the metabolic conference here for the low metabolic conference here for the low metabolic conference here for the low carb USA. it's called metabolic health carb USA. it's called metabolic health carb USA. it's called metabolic health summit or something now but is to focus summit or something now but is to focus summit or something now but is to focus on Parkinson's because it is on Parkinson's because it is on Parkinson's because it is >> so much of the cognitive diseases and
32:00>> so much of the cognitive diseases and >> so much of the cognitive diseases and how that's a big thing for myself how that's a big thing for myself how that's a big thing for myself because so many people if you look at because so many people if you look at because so many people if you look at your parents and their friends and your parents and their friends and your parents and their friends and watching everyone age that's scary and I watching everyone age that's scary and I watching everyone age that's scary and I think just how you can take ownership of think just how you can take ownership of think just how you can take ownership of your health today is my point on the your health today is my point on the your health today is my point on the podcast now to focus okay what can I be podcast now to focus okay what can I be podcast now to focus okay what can I be doing now to increase brain health and I doing now to increase brain health and I doing now to increase brain health and I think that's why Rhonda Patrick got so think that's why Rhonda Patrick got so think that's why Rhonda Patrick got so passionate passionate passionate on the Sauna research early on in her on the Sauna research early on in her on the Sauna research early on in her career is focusing on how to have the career is focusing on how to have the career is focusing on how to have the more brain drive neuro factor the BDNF more brain drive neuro factor the BDNF more brain drive neuro factor the BDNF and avoid and avoid and avoid we talk about leaky gut and leaky brain we talk about leaky gut and leaky brain we talk about leaky gut and leaky brain and keeping that bloodb brain barrier and keeping that bloodb brain barrier and keeping that bloodb brain barrier intact and avoiding these diseases as intact and avoiding these diseases as intact and avoiding these diseases as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia because it's sadly really common out because it's sadly really common out because it's sadly really common out there and I don't I don't want to have there and I don't I don't want to have there and I don't I don't want to have to go through that either. to go through that either. to go through that either. >> Yeah. And the stats it just it's scary >> Yeah. And the stats it just it's scary >> Yeah. And the stats it just it's scary to read. like I just glance over them to read. like I just glance over them to read. like I just glance over them half the time cuz I'm like I don't want half the time cuz I'm like I don't want half the time cuz I'm like I don't want to hear that. Like all the conferences I to hear that. Like all the conferences I to hear that. Like all the conferences I go to now it's just it's exponential go to now it's just it's exponential go to now it's just it's exponential growth of all of these problems. And
33:00growth of all of these problems. And growth of all of these problems. And that's why it's so important for us to that's why it's so important for us to that's why it's so important for us to just be educating people of these simple just be educating people of these simple just be educating people of these simple things to do. We're not saying you have things to do. We're not saying you have things to do. We're not saying you have to spend 20 hours during the week doing to spend 20 hours during the week doing to spend 20 hours during the week doing all these different things like you all these different things like you all these different things like you would training for something like a would training for something like a would training for something like a marathon or a big race. I mean these are marathon or a big race. I mean these are marathon or a big race. I mean these are actionable steps to take now. And I I actionable steps to take now. And I I actionable steps to take now. And I I would say too my mindset is why is it would say too my mindset is why is it would say too my mindset is why is it happening? And that's what we're diving happening? And that's what we're diving happening? And that's what we're diving into in the with Dr. Davis and Martha into in the with Dr. Davis and Martha into in the with Dr. Davis and Martha Carlin and E- Minerals. We did a three Carlin and E- Minerals. We did a three Carlin and E- Minerals. We did a three of them on the show and just looking at of them on the show and just looking at of them on the show and just looking at what happens as we age and what can we what happens as we age and what can we what happens as we age and what can we do to embrace the changes and make up do to embrace the changes and make up do to embrace the changes and make up for what's changing because we know what for what's changing because we know what for what's changing because we know what we do know now and how to make up for we do know now and how to make up for we do know now and how to make up for that. So doing the sauna, you know, that. So doing the sauna, you know, that. So doing the sauna, you know, doing the mega fatty acids and doing the doing the mega fatty acids and doing the doing the mega fatty acids and doing the breath work and the cold, we'll talk breath work and the cold, we'll talk breath work and the cold, we'll talk about how that all helps a brain health about how that all helps a brain health about how that all helps a brain health as well as gut health and H. pylori as well as gut health and H. pylori as well as gut health and H. pylori stomach acid I did a whole episode on. stomach acid I did a whole episode on. stomach acid I did a whole episode on. So it's a big area.
34:00So it's a big area. So it's a big area. Um, talking about the the cold therapy Um, talking about the the cold therapy Um, talking about the the cold therapy next, what next, what next, what is the benefit of adding in cold or is is the benefit of adding in cold or is is the benefit of adding in cold or is there a benefit I should say and not there a benefit I should say and not there a benefit I should say and not assume? What is the the benefit of cold assume? What is the the benefit of cold assume? What is the the benefit of cold therapy before or after sauna? therapy before or after sauna? therapy before or after sauna? >> Yeah. So, it's more hormesis. It's more >> Yeah. So, it's more hormesis. It's more >> Yeah. So, it's more hormesis. It's more stress getting us out of our comfort stress getting us out of our comfort stress getting us out of our comfort zone and pushing through these things zone and pushing through these things zone and pushing through these things that are not going to kill us. Maybe our that are not going to kill us. Maybe our that are not going to kill us. Maybe our brain thinks that for a minute. Like brain thinks that for a minute. Like brain thinks that for a minute. Like when you first get immersed in the cold, when you first get immersed in the cold, when you first get immersed in the cold, it's hard to breathe. It's hard to it's hard to breathe. It's hard to it's hard to breathe. It's hard to think. You just want to get out. Like think. You just want to get out. Like think. You just want to get out. Like it's kind of funny when you take breaks it's kind of funny when you take breaks it's kind of funny when you take breaks from if you've done cold exposure, take from if you've done cold exposure, take from if you've done cold exposure, take some breaks and you think, "Oh, it's some breaks and you think, "Oh, it's some breaks and you think, "Oh, it's like riding a bike. I'm just going to like riding a bike. I'm just going to like riding a bike. I'm just going to get right back in." Like it's not. um get right back in." Like it's not. um get right back in." Like it's not. um your body panics and is stressed to the your body panics and is stressed to the your body panics and is stressed to the point that um if you can come back to point that um if you can come back to point that um if you can come back to your breath, if you can control your breath, if you can control your breath, if you can control everything, it becomes easy. I mean,
35:00everything, it becomes easy. I mean, everything, it becomes easy. I mean, it's something that you can do um as it's something that you can do um as it's something that you can do um as part of your daily routine. It's part of your daily routine. It's part of your daily routine. It's definitely not for everybody. I mean, as definitely not for everybody. I mean, as definitely not for everybody. I mean, as um we're aging and have these different um we're aging and have these different um we're aging and have these different stressors in our lives, not everyone stressors in our lives, not everyone stressors in our lives, not everyone needs the cold. And the same can be said needs the cold. And the same can be said needs the cold. And the same can be said for the hot. I mean, with infrared, it's for the hot. I mean, with infrared, it's for the hot. I mean, with infrared, it's a little different than a traditional a little different than a traditional a little different than a traditional sauna. Um, but still something I would sauna. Um, but still something I would sauna. Um, but still something I would consult with your doctor, make sure that consult with your doctor, make sure that consult with your doctor, make sure that everything is good to go. Um, but when everything is good to go. Um, but when everything is good to go. Um, but when you can get in this good routine of a you can get in this good routine of a you can get in this good routine of a contrast therapy, we have seen the contrast therapy, we have seen the contrast therapy, we have seen the science show it's better to go hot to science show it's better to go hot to science show it's better to go hot to cold um because a lot of the benefits cold um because a lot of the benefits cold um because a lot of the benefits that come from cold plunge um are that come from cold plunge um are that come from cold plunge um are afterwards. It's your body heating afterwards. It's your body heating afterwards. It's your body heating itself back up. the blood vessels have itself back up. the blood vessels have itself back up. the blood vessels have constricted, the blood flow is all going constricted, the blood flow is all going constricted, the blood flow is all going internally so that your heart and internally so that your heart and internally so that your heart and everything can actually function and everything can actually function and everything can actually function and stay warm. But once you're out, that's stay warm. But once you're out, that's stay warm. But once you're out, that's when the blood is released and starts when the blood is released and starts when the blood is released and starts flowing. Like I get so flushed when I flowing. Like I get so flushed when I flowing. Like I get so flushed when I get out of the cold, it's kind of funny
36:00get out of the cold, it's kind of funny get out of the cold, it's kind of funny to see. It's like I just the ultimate to see. It's like I just the ultimate to see. It's like I just the ultimate sunburn or something. Um, but those sunburn or something. Um, but those sunburn or something. Um, but those benefits are just incredible. And again benefits are just incredible. And again benefits are just incredible. And again with the hormmesis side in today's with the hormmesis side in today's with the hormmesis side in today's environments we're just too comfortable. environments we're just too comfortable. environments we're just too comfortable. And I think that's part of some of the And I think that's part of some of the And I think that's part of some of the problems that we're facing as as a whole problems that we're facing as as a whole problems that we're facing as as a whole um is that we are not used to getting um is that we are not used to getting um is that we are not used to getting these stressors um and submitting these stressors um and submitting these stressors um and submitting ourselves to these um various ourselves to these um various ourselves to these um various temperature changes. And so we're able temperature changes. And so we're able temperature changes. And so we're able to become more uh just immune to it all. to become more uh just immune to it all. to become more uh just immune to it all. We're building our immunity. were We're building our immunity. were We're building our immunity. were helping us learn, okay, I can handle helping us learn, okay, I can handle helping us learn, okay, I can handle this stress. And then that applies to this stress. And then that applies to this stress. And then that applies to everything else in life, too. Like a a everything else in life, too. Like a a everything else in life, too. Like a a conversation with someone that gets conversation with someone that gets conversation with someone that gets heated. It's similar to me at least heated. It's similar to me at least heated. It's similar to me at least where I can't breathe as well even or where I can't breathe as well even or where I can't breathe as well even or just talk. Boards don't form as well. just talk. Boards don't form as well. just talk. Boards don't form as well. And it's like if I can get into the cold And it's like if I can get into the cold And it's like if I can get into the cold plunge and and handle that, I'm going to plunge and and handle that, I'm going to plunge and and handle that, I'm going to be able to handle that stressful be able to handle that stressful be able to handle that stressful conversation better. So, it's the
37:00conversation better. So, it's the conversation better. So, it's the practical applications that are kind of practical applications that are kind of practical applications that are kind of neat to me, too. neat to me, too. neat to me, too. So that you're talking about building So that you're talking about building So that you're talking about building resiliency and being more resilient with resiliency and being more resilient with resiliency and being more resilient with acute stress that is hormes hermesis acute stress that is hormes hermesis acute stress that is hormes hermesis acute stress is turn it on turn it off acute stress is turn it on turn it off acute stress is turn it on turn it off and I always say the leaky faucet versus and I always say the leaky faucet versus and I always say the leaky faucet versus turning the faucet on and off a leaky turning the faucet on and off a leaky turning the faucet on and off a leaky faucet would be chronic stress that that faucet would be chronic stress that that faucet would be chronic stress that that exposure to that short dose of stress is exposure to that short dose of stress is exposure to that short dose of stress is now prolonged and we do that all the now prolonged and we do that all the now prolonged and we do that all the time becomes a chronic source of stress time becomes a chronic source of stress time becomes a chronic source of stress that leads to we say as practitioners that leads to we say as practitioners that leads to we say as practitioners metabolic chaos and takes the body away metabolic chaos and takes the body away metabolic chaos and takes the body away from metabolic harmony and having from metabolic harmony and having from metabolic harmony and having everything in balance. So, it's really everything in balance. So, it's really everything in balance. So, it's really important I find to realize, okay, how important I find to realize, okay, how important I find to realize, okay, how much is too much? The Goldilocks effect much is too much? The Goldilocks effect much is too much? The Goldilocks effect for everything. for everything. for everything. >> When am I doing the right dose for >> When am I doing the right dose for >> When am I doing the right dose for especially cold plunge is a big thing especially cold plunge is a big thing especially cold plunge is a big thing I've learned over the years I've learned over the years I've learned over the years >> because of people that already have >> because of people that already have >> because of people that already have excessive amount of chronic stress. excessive amount of chronic stress. excessive amount of chronic stress. They're already living life as a race They're already living life as a race They're already living life as a race and doing everything to the extreme
38:00and doing everything to the extreme and doing everything to the extreme which find it used to be most of our which find it used to be most of our which find it used to be most of our listeners that are the type AAA and they listeners that are the type AAA and they listeners that are the type AAA and they hear about all these things to do hear about all these things to do hear about all these things to do strategies bio hacks to improve their strategies bio hacks to improve their strategies bio hacks to improve their aging health but they do way too much. aging health but they do way too much. aging health but they do way too much. So now we're just adding so much more So now we're just adding so much more So now we're just adding so much more into that stress beaker that now that into that stress beaker that now that into that stress beaker that now that acute stress is now chronic stress. So acute stress is now chronic stress. So acute stress is now chronic stress. So identifying for that individual what is identifying for that individual what is identifying for that individual what is the right duration of cold plench if you the right duration of cold plench if you the right duration of cold plench if you have chronic stress, chronic have chronic stress, chronic have chronic stress, chronic inflammation, biotoxicity, inflammation, biotoxicity, inflammation, biotoxicity, toxic burden overload. toxic burden overload. toxic burden overload. >> Yeah. And even for women as they are >> Yeah. And even for women as they are >> Yeah. And even for women as they are having hormonal changes too like that's having hormonal changes too like that's having hormonal changes too like that's extremely important. We talked about extremely important. We talked about extremely important. We talked about this a little before we got on. Um what this a little before we got on. Um what this a little before we got on. Um what is happening to you this week and your is happening to you this week and your is happening to you this week and your hormone changes in two weeks it your hormone changes in two weeks it your hormone changes in two weeks it your reaction could be completely different. reaction could be completely different. reaction could be completely different. that stress that you're taking on your that stress that you're taking on your that stress that you're taking on your body can completely change direction and body can completely change direction and body can completely change direction and course of how it's going to react. So, course of how it's going to react. So, course of how it's going to react. So, um we don't have to push too hard. I um we don't have to push too hard. I
39:00um we don't have to push too hard. I mean, it is a bell curve. Formmesis um mean, it is a bell curve. Formmesis um mean, it is a bell curve. Formmesis um can be extremely beneficial when done can be extremely beneficial when done can be extremely beneficial when done right. Um they're even showing for cold right. Um they're even showing for cold right. Um they're even showing for cold exposure 12 minutes a week and exposure 12 minutes a week and exposure 12 minutes a week and temperatures around 50° even up to like temperatures around 50° even up to like temperatures around 50° even up to like 59. So, this is not Wimhof out there in 59. So, this is not Wimhof out there in 59. So, this is not Wimhof out there in the Arctic Ocean um chiseled away a spot the Arctic Ocean um chiseled away a spot the Arctic Ocean um chiseled away a spot from the ice to actually get into the from the ice to actually get into the from the ice to actually get into the water. That's really cool to see. And water. That's really cool to see. And water. That's really cool to see. And those extremes um that's a feat in of those extremes um that's a feat in of those extremes um that's a feat in of itself, but we don't have to do that. Um itself, but we don't have to do that. Um itself, but we don't have to do that. Um 58 to 59 um is still cold and still 58 to 59 um is still cold and still 58 to 59 um is still cold and still beneficial. Um even a cold shower, I beneficial. Um even a cold shower, I beneficial. Um even a cold shower, I mean, mean, mean, >> putting yourself through that stress, >> putting yourself through that stress, >> putting yourself through that stress, that's a lot, too. I mean, I I I would that's a lot, too. I mean, I I I would that's a lot, too. I mean, I I I would rather get in a cold plunge, I think, rather get in a cold plunge, I think, rather get in a cold plunge, I think, than get in a cold shower. Even though than get in a cold shower. Even though than get in a cold shower. Even though you can just turn it right back to hot. you can just turn it right back to hot. you can just turn it right back to hot. Um, there's just something about that Um, there's just something about that Um, there's just something about that that I just I can't take myself or make that I just I can't take myself or make that I just I can't take myself or make myself do on a consistent basis. Um, I'd myself do on a consistent basis. Um, I'd myself do on a consistent basis. Um, I'd rather fully submerge in this cold
40:00rather fully submerge in this cold rather fully submerge in this cold plunge for 3 minutes and then get out. plunge for 3 minutes and then get out. plunge for 3 minutes and then get out. Um, but yeah, that's where again, um, Um, but yeah, that's where again, um, Um, but yeah, that's where again, um, the benefits for the benefits for the benefits for old, a lot of them happen afterwards. old, a lot of them happen afterwards. old, a lot of them happen afterwards. That's the mental um strength that we That's the mental um strength that we That's the mental um strength that we can gain. But the systems that we're can gain. But the systems that we're can gain. But the systems that we're activating, we're turning on the system activating, we're turning on the system activating, we're turning on the system that's heating us up. That's metabolism. that's heating us up. That's metabolism. that's heating us up. That's metabolism. That's burning energy and getting us to That's burning energy and getting us to That's burning energy and getting us to the state of normal. Um back to that the state of normal. Um back to that the state of normal. Um back to that core temperature that's not quite so core temperature that's not quite so core temperature that's not quite so cold. Um and the blood flow that cold. Um and the blood flow that cold. Um and the blood flow that happens, the the inflammation reduction. happens, the the inflammation reduction. happens, the the inflammation reduction. Um with if you do it back and forth, Um with if you do it back and forth, Um with if you do it back and forth, that still has some nice benefits. I that still has some nice benefits. I that still has some nice benefits. I mean, you're um constricting, you're mean, you're um constricting, you're mean, you're um constricting, you're relaxing, doing all these different relaxing, doing all these different relaxing, doing all these different things. Um but again, it depends person things. Um but again, it depends person things. Um but again, it depends person to person. Figure out what works for to person. Figure out what works for to person. Figure out what works for you. Not everyone has the time to do you. Not everyone has the time to do you. Not everyone has the time to do that as well. Like some of these that as well. Like some of these that as well. Like some of these protocols that you could be doing um it protocols that you could be doing um it protocols that you could be doing um it takes up to an hour, two hours if you're
41:00takes up to an hour, two hours if you're takes up to an hour, two hours if you're doing it and um that's not everyone has doing it and um that's not everyone has doing it and um that's not everyone has that time. So figure out what works for that time. So figure out what works for that time. So figure out what works for you, what makes you feel good. And you, what makes you feel good. And you, what makes you feel good. And that's what's nice too about all this that's what's nice too about all this that's what's nice too about all this stuff is is you get these emot results stuff is is you get these emot results stuff is is you get these emot results pretty immediately. At least the mental pretty immediately. At least the mental pretty immediately. At least the mental stuff. If it's making you feel good, do stuff. If it's making you feel good, do stuff. If it's making you feel good, do it every day. If it's not making you it every day. If it's not making you it every day. If it's not making you feel good, stop doing it. feel good, stop doing it. feel good, stop doing it. >> Yeah, that's true. That's why I would >> Yeah, that's true. That's why I would >> Yeah, that's true. That's why I would say, you know, maybe not depend on say, you know, maybe not depend on say, you know, maybe not depend on deciding how you feel today by looking deciding how you feel today by looking deciding how you feel today by looking at your aura score or your whoop or your at your aura score or your whoop or your at your aura score or your whoop or your watch. Actually, just check in. Use that watch. Actually, just check in. Use that watch. Actually, just check in. Use that good old intuition. good old intuition. good old intuition. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yeah, it really works. So going back to >> Yeah, it really works. So going back to >> Yeah, it really works. So going back to what you just said about the cold in the what you just said about the cold in the what you just said about the cold in the brain, I know some research saying for brain, I know some research saying for brain, I know some research saying for the vagus nerve to rewire the nervous the vagus nerve to rewire the nervous the vagus nerve to rewire the nervous system if you are in that sympathetic system if you are in that sympathetic system if you are in that sympathetic dominant state, fight or flight, it is dominant state, fight or flight, it is dominant state, fight or flight, it is beneficial for some people maybe that beneficial for some people maybe that beneficial for some people maybe that shortest dose to do cold intervals or shortest dose to do cold intervals or shortest dose to do cold intervals or cold plunge if you have the need to cold plunge if you have the need to cold plunge if you have the need to rewire nervous system as well as people rewire nervous system as well as people rewire nervous system as well as people that have depression. M
42:00that have depression. M that have depression. M >> have you seen anything on that? >> have you seen anything on that? >> have you seen anything on that? >> So I haven't in the cold. Um and it's >> So I haven't in the cold. Um and it's >> So I haven't in the cold. Um and it's something where at Sunlighten of course something where at Sunlighten of course something where at Sunlighten of course um we are sauna makers and um I do know um we are sauna makers and um I do know um we are sauna makers and um I do know for certain there are incredible for certain there are incredible for certain there are incredible benefits for depression with saunas. Um benefits for depression with saunas. Um benefits for depression with saunas. Um >> so there is a really cool study and even >> so there is a really cool study and even >> so there is a really cool study and even ongoing studies of how even just a ongoing studies of how even just a ongoing studies of how even just a single sauna session can relieve single sauna session can relieve single sauna session can relieve depression symptoms for weeks. And a lot depression symptoms for weeks. And a lot depression symptoms for weeks. And a lot of that has to do with the thermmore of that has to do with the thermmore of that has to do with the thermmore regulation. And so I think that is regulation. And so I think that is regulation. And so I think that is probably what's happening here too is a probably what's happening here too is a probably what's happening here too is a lot of the um problems that happen with lot of the um problems that happen with lot of the um problems that happen with depression is your body is just not able depression is your body is just not able depression is your body is just not able to thermorreulate very well. It's not to thermorreulate very well. It's not to thermorreulate very well. It's not able to cool down when it needs to um or able to cool down when it needs to um or able to cool down when it needs to um or to the degree that it needs to. So to the degree that it needs to. So to the degree that it needs to. So that's affecting all sorts of stuff and that's affecting all sorts of stuff and that's affecting all sorts of stuff and mostly sleep. I mean, when we're in a mostly sleep. I mean, when we're in a mostly sleep. I mean, when we're in a depressive state, if you're not able to depressive state, if you're not able to depressive state, if you're not able to sleep, your mind's racing. Um, it's just
43:00sleep, your mind's racing. Um, it's just sleep, your mind's racing. Um, it's just gonna compound and not get better. So, gonna compound and not get better. So, gonna compound and not get better. So, both of these and everything that we've both of these and everything that we've both of these and everything that we've talked about are very helpful for sleep. talked about are very helpful for sleep. talked about are very helpful for sleep. So these tools um it may not be So these tools um it may not be So these tools um it may not be something that there's a ton of studies, something that there's a ton of studies, something that there's a ton of studies, but it's more the anecdotal evidence but it's more the anecdotal evidence but it's more the anecdotal evidence that we hear constantly from your ring that we hear constantly from your ring that we hear constantly from your ring score or your uh Whoop of how well you score or your uh Whoop of how well you score or your uh Whoop of how well you slept um after sauna use or after cold slept um after sauna use or after cold slept um after sauna use or after cold plunge or even red light. There's great plunge or even red light. There's great plunge or even red light. There's great benefits for red light too for sleeping. benefits for red light too for sleeping. benefits for red light too for sleeping. Um so I think it's just a a big Um so I think it's just a a big Um so I think it's just a a big combination. Um, but to answer your combination. Um, but to answer your combination. Um, but to answer your question, I don't know exactly what it question, I don't know exactly what it question, I don't know exactly what it is that may help with that for old is that may help with that for old is that may help with that for old specifically, but I I would imagine it specifically, but I I would imagine it specifically, but I I would imagine it has a lot to do with just your body's has a lot to do with just your body's has a lot to do with just your body's ability to kick on those systems, ability to kick on those systems, ability to kick on those systems, activate um the return to normaly. Mhm. activate um the return to normaly. Mhm. activate um the return to normaly. Mhm. Yeah. I think I'm pretty shocked working Yeah. I think I'm pretty shocked working Yeah. I think I'm pretty shocked working with clients how many people are on with clients how many people are on with clients how many people are on medications and medications for sleep
44:00medications and medications for sleep medications and medications for sleep and for depression. It's amazing how and for depression. It's amazing how and for depression. It's amazing how many people are just prescribed these many people are just prescribed these many people are just prescribed these drugs and not solving just uh lifestyle drugs and not solving just uh lifestyle drugs and not solving just uh lifestyle habit changes, rewiring the nervous habit changes, rewiring the nervous habit changes, rewiring the nervous system, get outside, morning sunlight, system, get outside, morning sunlight, system, get outside, morning sunlight, but the sauna and just how that can but the sauna and just how that can but the sauna and just how that can help. sauna session as you just help. sauna session as you just help. sauna session as you just mentioned for sleep and depression and I mentioned for sleep and depression and I mentioned for sleep and depression and I know myself I typically like to do sauna know myself I typically like to do sauna know myself I typically like to do sauna in the evening and then have a shower in the evening and then have a shower in the evening and then have a shower cool shower and then do a little red cool shower and then do a little red cool shower and then do a little red light therapy then I stretch sometimes light therapy then I stretch sometimes light therapy then I stretch sometimes at night we do a little stretching at night we do a little stretching at night we do a little stretching routine and it just routine and it just routine and it just >> my sleep is good it's been pretty good >> my sleep is good it's been pretty good >> my sleep is good it's been pretty good and I think a lot of it is is and I think a lot of it is is and I think a lot of it is is understanding how important it is if you understanding how important it is if you understanding how important it is if you had whatever adrenal exaust caution I had whatever adrenal exaust caution I had whatever adrenal exaust caution I used to have when you can't sleep and used to have when you can't sleep and used to have when you can't sleep and you're you have insomnia or you wake up you're you have insomnia or you wake up you're you have insomnia or you wake up middle night you can't fall back asleep middle night you can't fall back asleep middle night you can't fall back asleep it is such a horrible feeling it is such a horrible feeling it is such a horrible feeling >> and knowing that the medications isn't a
45:00>> and knowing that the medications isn't a >> and knowing that the medications isn't a long-term solution. It might help you in long-term solution. It might help you in long-term solution. It might help you in the beginning, but just how adding in the beginning, but just how adding in the beginning, but just how adding in these tools, starting with the free these tools, starting with the free these tools, starting with the free stuff, breath work, outdoor grounding, stuff, breath work, outdoor grounding, stuff, breath work, outdoor grounding, morning sunlight, adding in the sauna. morning sunlight, adding in the sauna. morning sunlight, adding in the sauna. It is an expense, but there's different, It is an expense, but there's different, It is an expense, but there's different, you guys have the the tunnel thing. You you guys have the the tunnel thing. You you guys have the the tunnel thing. You can do the sleeping bag kind of thing. can do the sleeping bag kind of thing. can do the sleeping bag kind of thing. There's different ways to do sauna, but There's different ways to do sauna, but There's different ways to do sauna, but it does definitely investing in my it does definitely investing in my it does definitely investing in my health. It was our Christmas gift one health. It was our Christmas gift one health. It was our Christmas gift one year. We saved up our money, but uh year. We saved up our money, but uh year. We saved up our money, but uh that's so important to us to improve our that's so important to us to improve our that's so important to us to improve our aging, the longevity markers, the brain aging, the longevity markers, the brain aging, the longevity markers, the brain health, and I'm not trying to sell health, and I'm not trying to sell health, and I'm not trying to sell people in sunlight sauna, but just how people in sunlight sauna, but just how people in sunlight sauna, but just how important has helped my sleep and my important has helped my sleep and my important has helped my sleep and my recovery. And I think it's a big part of recovery. And I think it's a big part of recovery. And I think it's a big part of it now, you say all that is probably it now, you say all that is probably it now, you say all that is probably adding in the sauna routine in the adding in the sauna routine in the adding in the sauna routine in the evening and helping my quality of sleep. evening and helping my quality of sleep. evening and helping my quality of sleep. And I must add, I'm turning suddenly 54. And I must add, I'm turning suddenly 54. And I must add, I'm turning suddenly 54. I just had my 50th birthday and this I just had my 50th birthday and this I just had my 50th birthday and this November I'll be 54. And I am not too
46:00November I'll be 54. And I am not too November I'll be 54. And I am not too much information for some people, but much information for some people, but much information for some people, but I'm not in menopause. I I'm still 53, I'm not in menopause. I I'm still 53, I'm not in menopause. I I'm still 53, not in that 12 months not having a cycle not in that 12 months not having a cycle not in that 12 months not having a cycle process yet. And feeling good. I don't process yet. And feeling good. I don't process yet. And feeling good. I don't have any symptoms and PMS and all that have any symptoms and PMS and all that have any symptoms and PMS and all that stuff. But I think it's because I stuff. But I think it's because I stuff. But I think it's because I figured out how best to take care of me, figured out how best to take care of me, figured out how best to take care of me, Debbie Pots, and doing what needs to be Debbie Pots, and doing what needs to be Debbie Pots, and doing what needs to be done to help my aging process. done to help my aging process. done to help my aging process. >> Yeah. And just touching on that briefly >> Yeah. And just touching on that briefly >> Yeah. And just touching on that briefly too, um, a lot of women that maybe are too, um, a lot of women that maybe are too, um, a lot of women that maybe are in menopause or having hot flashes, in menopause or having hot flashes, in menopause or having hot flashes, they're scared of sauna. Like they're they're scared of sauna. Like they're they're scared of sauna. Like they're already hot enough like why in the world already hot enough like why in the world already hot enough like why in the world do I need to sauna? Um, but that's do I need to sauna? Um, but that's do I need to sauna? Um, but that's something that we have seen anecdotal something that we have seen anecdotal something that we have seen anecdotal comments as well of like it actually comments as well of like it actually comments as well of like it actually helped reduce hot flashes and probably helped reduce hot flashes and probably helped reduce hot flashes and probably because of that thermo regulation that because of that thermo regulation that because of that thermo regulation that we talked about. Your body is used to we talked about. Your body is used to we talked about. Your body is used to the heat, is able to kind of cool itself the heat, is able to kind of cool itself the heat, is able to kind of cool itself down. you're training yourself in those down. you're training yourself in those down. you're training yourself in those different ways. And then just to add on different ways. And then just to add on different ways. And then just to add on to your your sauna routine, I love that. to your your sauna routine, I love that. to your your sauna routine, I love that. I mean, I mean, I mean, >> having it at the end of your day, like
47:00>> having it at the end of your day, like >> having it at the end of your day, like if you're working, getting everything if you're working, getting everything if you're working, getting everything done, um going through just the done, um going through just the done, um going through just the stressful routine that is life, to have stressful routine that is life, to have stressful routine that is life, to have that sauna session at the end of the that sauna session at the end of the that sauna session at the end of the day, it's kind of like a bookend. It's day, it's kind of like a bookend. It's day, it's kind of like a bookend. It's like, okay, now I'm shifting to some me like, okay, now I'm shifting to some me like, okay, now I'm shifting to some me time, but what's happening physically is time, but what's happening physically is time, but what's happening physically is your body is heating up and for optimal your body is heating up and for optimal your body is heating up and for optimal sleep, you need to be cooled down. So, sleep, you need to be cooled down. So, sleep, you need to be cooled down. So, it's kind of counterintuitive, but as it's kind of counterintuitive, but as it's kind of counterintuitive, but as your heat or that temperature rises and your heat or that temperature rises and your heat or that temperature rises and you get out, your cooling systems are you get out, your cooling systems are you get out, your cooling systems are on. So, your temperature starts to drop on. So, your temperature starts to drop on. So, your temperature starts to drop so that as you're getting into bed, so that as you're getting into bed, so that as you're getting into bed, you're on that downswing and probably you're on that downswing and probably you're on that downswing and probably cooled off quite a bit and then continue cooled off quite a bit and then continue cooled off quite a bit and then continue that. So then that's when that deep that. So then that's when that deep that. So then that's when that deep sleep can happen and that's when that sleep can happen and that's when that sleep can happen and that's when that great recovery is going to be happening great recovery is going to be happening great recovery is going to be happening so that you can have the energy for the so that you can have the energy for the so that you can have the energy for the next day. Have that muscle recovery have next day. Have that muscle recovery have next day. Have that muscle recovery have even the brain. even the brain. even the brain. It's probably the most important part is It's probably the most important part is It's probably the most important part is what's happening to your brain as you're what's happening to your brain as you're what's happening to your brain as you're asleep is um it is going through those asleep is um it is going through those asleep is um it is going through those processes things out and um allowing
48:00processes things out and um allowing processes things out and um allowing yourself to function optimally that next yourself to function optimally that next yourself to function optimally that next day. day. day. >> Yeah. And I think if people think >> Yeah. And I think if people think >> Yeah. And I think if people think they're just doing the exercise part and they're just doing the exercise part and they're just doing the exercise part and that's enough. I think we need to that's enough. I think we need to that's enough. I think we need to revisit priorities when we are working revisit priorities when we are working revisit priorities when we are working on improving our second half of our life on improving our second half of our life on improving our second half of our life and to be our best self when I'm retired and to be our best self when I'm retired and to be our best self when I'm retired so I can enjoy life and not be so I can enjoy life and not be so I can enjoy life and not be struggling with all these illnesses, all struggling with all these illnesses, all struggling with all these illnesses, all these medication. I just hear the list. these medication. I just hear the list. these medication. I just hear the list. My mom's 84 and all of her friends late My mom's 84 and all of her friends late My mom's 84 and all of her friends late 70s. I'm like, what the heck? And they 70s. I'm like, what the heck? And they 70s. I'm like, what the heck? And they can't figure out what's wrong with them. can't figure out what's wrong with them. can't figure out what's wrong with them. a second. It's not that difficult. Why a second. It's not that difficult. Why a second. It's not that difficult. Why don't we just work on the body's innate don't we just work on the body's innate don't we just work on the body's innate intelligence first and prevent all this intelligence first and prevent all this intelligence first and prevent all this stuff to happen? So, I really think stuff to happen? So, I really think stuff to happen? So, I really think hopefully Peter Tia's book, Outlive, hopefully Peter Tia's book, Outlive, hopefully Peter Tia's book, Outlive, helped people create a little more helped people create a little more helped people create a little more awareness of stuff you should be doing awareness of stuff you should be doing awareness of stuff you should be doing now as well as kind of my focus on now as well as kind of my focus on now as well as kind of my focus on creating your future self. So, thanks creating your future self. So, thanks creating your future self. So, thanks for all the research you guys are doing. for all the research you guys are doing. for all the research you guys are doing. And, you know, you're working, you have And, you know, you're working, you have And, you know, you're working, you have the red light, you've got the cold the red light, you've got the cold the red light, you've got the cold plunge available now on the website.
49:00plunge available now on the website. plunge available now on the website. Okay, tell us a little bit where to find Okay, tell us a little bit where to find Okay, tell us a little bit where to find everything and learn more. everything and learn more. everything and learn more. >> Yeah, so sunlighten.com >> Yeah, so sunlighten.com >> Yeah, so sunlighten.com um very expansive website. We've got um very expansive website. We've got um very expansive website. We've got terrific blogs um just all sorts of terrific blogs um just all sorts of terrific blogs um just all sorts of information on each of the different information on each of the different information on each of the different health benefits. Um and yes, so we um health benefits. Um and yes, so we um health benefits. Um and yes, so we um are now have the rights to Ice Barrel, are now have the rights to Ice Barrel, are now have the rights to Ice Barrel, so we have the opportunity to purchase so we have the opportunity to purchase so we have the opportunity to purchase cold plunges as well. So when you're on cold plunges as well. So when you're on cold plunges as well. So when you're on the website, um what we're aiming to do the website, um what we're aiming to do the website, um what we're aiming to do is consult. We want to educate. We want is consult. We want to educate. We want is consult. We want to educate. We want to talk to all of our consumers, um, all to talk to all of our consumers, um, all to talk to all of our consumers, um, all of the people that want to join the of the people that want to join the of the people that want to join the Sunlightening family and help them Sunlightening family and help them Sunlightening family and help them figure out what's best for them. So, figure out what's best for them. So, figure out what's best for them. So, that's exactly what our Sonic that's exactly what our Sonic that's exactly what our Sonic consultants do. So, when you're on the consultants do. So, when you're on the consultants do. So, when you're on the website, we have a get pricing form. Um, website, we have a get pricing form. Um, website, we have a get pricing form. Um, and that is where you can put in your and that is where you can put in your and that is where you can put in your information and we will reach out to information and we will reach out to information and we will reach out to talk through everything because a Sauna talk through everything because a Sauna talk through everything because a Sauna purchase, as you said earlier, it's it's purchase, as you said earlier, it's it's purchase, as you said earlier, it's it's a big deal. So, this is not something a big deal. So, this is not something a big deal. So, this is not something that many people are just on a whim. Oh, that many people are just on a whim. Oh, that many people are just on a whim. Oh, I'm going to buy this this wellness
50:00I'm going to buy this this wellness I'm going to buy this this wellness device for my home that's going to take device for my home that's going to take device for my home that's going to take up space. It's going to require some up space. It's going to require some up space. It's going to require some electricity changes perhaps. Um, and electricity changes perhaps. Um, and electricity changes perhaps. Um, and then just the budget part. So, with then just the budget part. So, with then just the budget part. So, with everyone's health goals at a different everyone's health goals at a different everyone's health goals at a different place and and budget um flexibility, place and and budget um flexibility, place and and budget um flexibility, that's where these consultants are going that's where these consultants are going that's where these consultants are going to help you understand what's best for to help you understand what's best for to help you understand what's best for you. And maybe it is a cold plunge to you. And maybe it is a cold plunge to you. And maybe it is a cold plunge to you. Who knows? Maybe it is more on the you. Who knows? Maybe it is more on the you. Who knows? Maybe it is more on the red light side. Maybe they're just going red light side. Maybe they're just going red light side. Maybe they're just going to help you figure out what's good for to help you figure out what's good for to help you figure out what's good for you and it's a purchase that happens you and it's a purchase that happens you and it's a purchase that happens later down the road. Um, but that's later down the road. Um, but that's later down the road. Um, but that's where we want to meet you where you're where we want to meet you where you're where we want to meet you where you're at now so that you can maybe make that at now so that you can maybe make that at now so that you can maybe make that decision later down the road by saving decision later down the road by saving decision later down the road by saving up. Um, we always have great savings and up. Um, we always have great savings and up. Um, we always have great savings and specials and deals. Um, and in fact, specials and deals. Um, and in fact, specials and deals. Um, and in fact, better mention this now. If you heard better mention this now. If you heard better mention this now. If you heard about this on the podcast and you come about this on the podcast and you come about this on the podcast and you come to the website, make sure to follow the to the website, make sure to follow the to the website, make sure to follow the link that Debbie will have in these link that Debbie will have in these link that Debbie will have in these notes, but then mention this podcast and notes, but then mention this podcast and notes, but then mention this podcast and you'll get savings of up to $1,400 off you'll get savings of up to $1,400 off you'll get savings of up to $1,400 off your purchase of your sauna and then
51:00your purchase of your sauna and then your purchase of your sauna and then some other savings here and there some other savings here and there some other savings here and there depending on when you come through. Um, depending on when you come through. Um, depending on when you come through. Um, social media is another great place. Um, social media is another great place. Um, social media is another great place. Um, our social media team is is killing it our social media team is is killing it our social media team is is killing it as well. Being on the marketing side, I as well. Being on the marketing side, I as well. Being on the marketing side, I get to see some of the insights and get to see some of the insights and get to see some of the insights and behind the scenes, but the education behind the scenes, but the education behind the scenes, but the education that we're putting out there. Um, it's that we're putting out there. Um, it's that we're putting out there. Um, it's just it's different from what's just it's different from what's just it's different from what's happening in the industry. I mean, the happening in the industry. I mean, the happening in the industry. I mean, the infrared world, it's not new. We've been infrared world, it's not new. We've been infrared world, it's not new. We've been in this for 25 years. Um, but it's in this for 25 years. Um, but it's in this for 25 years. Um, but it's become a huge boom and all sorts of become a huge boom and all sorts of become a huge boom and all sorts of competitors out there just talking competitors out there just talking competitors out there just talking about, "Oh, we're the best. We're the about, "Oh, we're the best. We're the about, "Oh, we're the best. We're the best. We have everything you need. Zero best. We have everything you need. Zero best. We have everything you need. Zero EMFs, the safest out there." Um, the EMFs, the safest out there." Um, the EMFs, the safest out there." Um, the proof is in the pudding with our proof is in the pudding with our proof is in the pudding with our products. Um, the quality is second to products. Um, the quality is second to products. Um, the quality is second to none. Um, and it's just something that none. Um, and it's just something that none. Um, and it's just something that you can trust. I mean, we've had endless you can trust. I mean, we've had endless you can trust. I mean, we've had endless or countless people come through. Um, or countless people come through. Um, or countless people come through. Um, and our sunlight and family is is and our sunlight and family is is and our sunlight and family is is massive. Started with a small ripple. massive. Started with a small ripple. massive. Started with a small ripple. Um, and now we have a lot of people Um, and now we have a lot of people Um, and now we have a lot of people getting some really great light
52:00getting some really great light getting some really great light benefits. benefits. benefits. >> Yeah. Do you have that your football >> Yeah. Do you have that your football >> Yeah. Do you have that your football team Kansas City come over over and use team Kansas City come over over and use team Kansas City come over over and use the facilities? We have had quite a few the facilities? We have had quite a few the facilities? We have had quite a few Chiefs come through. Um, and uh, yeah, Chiefs come through. Um, and uh, yeah, Chiefs come through. Um, and uh, yeah, they're huge fans. And that's what's they're huge fans. And that's what's they're huge fans. And that's what's cool, too. I mean, everybody is using cool, too. I mean, everybody is using cool, too. I mean, everybody is using infrared. Um, tons of sports teams out infrared. Um, tons of sports teams out infrared. Um, tons of sports teams out there replacing their traditional saunas there replacing their traditional saunas there replacing their traditional saunas with infrared or just buying some for with infrared or just buying some for with infrared or just buying some for their facilities. Um, but with these their facilities. Um, but with these their facilities. Um, but with these players, of course, they have the the players, of course, they have the the players, of course, they have the the means to purchase, so they're putting means to purchase, so they're putting means to purchase, so they're putting them in each of their homes that they them in each of their homes that they them in each of their homes that they might even have. Um, but it's that's might even have. Um, but it's that's might even have. Um, but it's that's what's cool is it's these people that what's cool is it's these people that what's cool is it's these people that are peak performers that are also using are peak performers that are also using are peak performers that are also using it. So, it's not those that are maybe it. So, it's not those that are maybe it. So, it's not those that are maybe just in a spot where their health is just in a spot where their health is just in a spot where their health is just declining. They're not getting just declining. They're not getting just declining. They're not getting along. It's for everybody. I mean, light along. It's for everybody. I mean, light along. It's for everybody. I mean, light is universal and and we should all soak is universal and and we should all soak is universal and and we should all soak it up as much as we can. it up as much as we can. it up as much as we can. >> For sure. I do have my glass house here. >> For sure. I do have my glass house here. >> For sure. I do have my glass house here. As you can see, there's no walls. As you can see, there's no walls. As you can see, there's no walls. >> That is awesome. >> That is awesome. >> That is awesome. >> I got almost maybe too much light if
53:00>> I got almost maybe too much light if >> I got almost maybe too much light if that's possible. I will add in too you that's possible. I will add in too you that's possible. I will add in too you guys just had a post speaking of your guys just had a post speaking of your guys just had a post speaking of your social media Instagram post is excellent social media Instagram post is excellent social media Instagram post is excellent research and there's a one on the NAD research and there's a one on the NAD research and there's a one on the NAD >> the other day it was really interesting >> the other day it was really interesting >> the other day it was really interesting so we'll have to share the link to that so we'll have to share the link to that so we'll have to share the link to that but that was good information because but that was good information because but that was good information because NAD is so big and nitric oxide too be NAD is so big and nitric oxide too be NAD is so big and nitric oxide too be interesting to dive into and correlate interesting to dive into and correlate interesting to dive into and correlate that taking precursors because I'm that taking precursors because I'm that taking precursors because I'm reading Dr. Nathan's Bri Dr. Nathan reading Dr. Nathan's Bri Dr. Nathan reading Dr. Nathan's Bri Dr. Nathan Brian's book on nitric oxide to increase Brian's book on nitric oxide to increase Brian's book on nitric oxide to increase blood flow and having some of the blood flow and having some of the blood flow and having some of the supplements of that before the sauna supplements of that before the sauna supplements of that before the sauna too. So there's all the sorts of too. So there's all the sorts of too. So there's all the sorts of different things to go down into different things to go down into different things to go down into different rabbit holes, but I really different rabbit holes, but I really different rabbit holes, but I really feel that this is a great investment for feel that this is a great investment for feel that this is a great investment for people and they there's as again we said people and they there's as again we said people and they there's as again we said there's different options on the there's different options on the there's different options on the website. But just I think understanding website. But just I think understanding website. But just I think understanding the why behind everything and the the why behind everything and the the why behind everything and the mechanism of action and the benefits of mechanism of action and the benefits of mechanism of action and the benefits of the different wavelengths and the the different wavelengths and the the different wavelengths and the different programs that are in the sauna different programs that are in the sauna different programs that are in the sauna are really important part if you're are really important part if you're are really important part if you're trying to heal. You've had some health
54:00trying to heal. You've had some health trying to heal. You've had some health chronic inflammation injuries brain chronic inflammation injuries brain chronic inflammation injuries brain health. I I think so many people are health. I I think so many people are health. I I think so many people are struggling out there not getting better struggling out there not getting better struggling out there not getting better and this is a great investment that's as and this is a great investment that's as and this is a great investment that's as you said tons of research on it. It's you said tons of research on it. It's you said tons of research on it. It's been around for I don't know how many been around for I don't know how many been around for I don't know how many years. years. years. >> Well, infrared forever. I mean, it's >> Well, infrared forever. I mean, it's >> Well, infrared forever. I mean, it's it's natural from the sun. Uh it's natural from the sun. Uh it's natural from the sun. Uh >> yes. So, it's been around so people can >> yes. So, it's been around so people can >> yes. So, it's been around so people can learn more on the website. But there's learn more on the website. But there's learn more on the website. But there's it's a good tool to have in your toolbox it's a good tool to have in your toolbox it's a good tool to have in your toolbox for sure. for sure. for sure. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you so much. So, we'll put >> Thank you so much. So, we'll put >> Thank you so much. So, we'll put everything in the show notes and everything in the show notes and everything in the show notes and hopefully you guys can check it out and hopefully you guys can check it out and hopefully you guys can check it out and we look forward to hearing about we look forward to hearing about we look forward to hearing about everyone's experiments. Figure out what everyone's experiments. Figure out what everyone's experiments. Figure out what works best for you as you are a unique works best for you as you are a unique works best for you as you are a unique individual. individual. individual. >> Awesome. Thanks so much. Thanks. so much >> Awesome. Thanks so much. Thanks. so much >> Awesome. Thanks so much. Thanks. so much for having me, Debbie.