Sauna Talk Scott Carney author the goodness of Ice and Sauna the Wedge and Wim H
00:00so scott good morning and um you know so scott good morning and um you know part of the zoom thing part of the zoom thing part of the zoom thing that uh that i'm kind of coming over to that uh that i'm kind of coming over to that uh that i'm kind of coming over to the dark side with is the ability to you the dark side with is the ability to you the dark side with is the ability to you know cast the net wider in a wider know cast the net wider in a wider know cast the net wider in a wider geography geography geography and be able to interview people i mean i and be able to interview people i mean i and be able to interview people i mean i would sure love it if you and i were would sure love it if you and i were would sure love it if you and i were sitting on your sauna bench or sitting on your sauna bench or sitting on your sauna bench or up here in minnesota but i want to thank up here in minnesota but i want to thank up here in minnesota but i want to thank you for coming on board you for coming on board you for coming on board in a virtual setting like we are this in a virtual setting like we are this in a virtual setting like we are this morning so welcome morning so welcome morning so welcome absolutely i mean one of the issues with absolutely i mean one of the issues with absolutely i mean one of the issues with actually doing interviews actually doing interviews actually doing interviews in a sauna is that your equipment starts in a sauna is that your equipment starts in a sauna is that your equipment starts to melt at some to melt at some to melt at some point i've i've done some of these um point i've i've done some of these um point i've i've done some of these um what do you call the facebook live what do you call the facebook live what do you call the facebook live things i don't know if you know what things i don't know if you know what things i don't know if you know what that is um that is um that is um i've uh and i've had my phone up and it i've uh and i've had my phone up and it i've uh and i've had my phone up and it lasts about five minutes before it's lasts about five minutes before it's lasts about five minutes before it's like yeah i'm out i am like yeah i'm out i am like yeah i'm out i am yeah you know on that from a technology yeah you know on that from a technology yeah you know on that from a technology side i used to bring my macbook side i used to bring my macbook side i used to bring my macbook laptop on the floor in the hot room and laptop on the floor in the hot room and laptop on the floor in the hot room and i'd have a long mic with a i'd have a long mic with a i'd have a long mic with a you know kind of a mid-tech microphone you know kind of a mid-tech microphone you know kind of a mid-tech microphone and pass it on the bench back and forth and pass it on the bench back and forth and pass it on the bench back and forth and then i have this college uh and then i have this college uh
01:00and then i have this college uh assistant who's like why don't you get assistant who's like why don't you get assistant who's like why don't you get one of these and you know when you see one of these and you know when you see one of these and you know when you see like sports figures being interviewed by like sports figures being interviewed by like sports figures being interviewed by journalists in the locker room the the journalists in the locker room the the journalists in the locker room the the journalists got one of these little journalists got one of these little journalists got one of these little little things like the size of two little things like the size of two little things like the size of two fingers you know and so that's what i've fingers you know and so that's what i've fingers you know and so that's what i've been using on the sauna bench and i i been using on the sauna bench and i i been using on the sauna bench and i i hold my hold my hold my i insulate it with my my hand and then i i insulate it with my my hand and then i i insulate it with my my hand and then i hold it between hold it between hold it between guests and uh that seems to work out guests and uh that seems to work out guests and uh that seems to work out yeah less is more in this yeah less is more in this yeah less is more in this in this technology world you know yeah i in this technology world you know yeah i in this technology world you know yeah i imagine imagine imagine yeah yeah so i i wanted to start from yeah yeah so i i wanted to start from yeah yeah so i i wanted to start from many different areas but i i think many different areas but i i think many different areas but i i think for you you know a great spot to start for you you know a great spot to start for you you know a great spot to start is is the wedge and you were kind enough is is the wedge and you were kind enough is is the wedge and you were kind enough to send me an advanced copy and to send me an advanced copy and to send me an advanced copy and i'd like to read your inscription if i i'd like to read your inscription if i i'd like to read your inscription if i could for listeners sure could for listeners sure could for listeners sure to sonic talk so you write glenn i love to sonic talk so you write glenn i love to sonic talk so you write glenn i love what you're doing with sauna times what you're doing with sauna times what you're doing with sauna times get hot and get cold scott carney get hot and get cold scott carney get hot and get cold scott carney so that's right yeah i'm on so you've so that's right yeah i'm on so you've so that's right yeah i'm on so you've written a written a written a fair number of of these inscriptions for fair number of of these inscriptions for fair number of of these inscriptions for folks folks folks um can you tell us a little bit about um can you tell us a little bit about um can you tell us a little bit about that oh yeah so you know i i
02:00that oh yeah so you know i i that oh yeah so you know i i so this is my what's in my fourth book so this is my what's in my fourth book so this is my what's in my fourth book and you know i have a you know a pretty and you know i have a you know a pretty and you know i have a you know a pretty bro wide reach you know i've sold lots bro wide reach you know i've sold lots bro wide reach you know i've sold lots and lots of books but there are some and lots of books but there are some and lots of books but there are some people who really people who really people who really are passionate fans and i think it's are passionate fans and i think it's are passionate fans and i think it's really nice to be able to send people really nice to be able to send people really nice to be able to send people sort of personalized sort of personalized sort of personalized inscriptions so i have been trying my inscriptions so i have been trying my inscriptions so i have been trying my best and it's actually very best and it's actually very best and it's actually very difficult to do an individual difficult to do an individual difficult to do an individual inscription to every single person who inscription to every single person who inscription to every single person who orders a book because orders a book because orders a book because you know how many ways can you describe you know how many ways can you describe you know how many ways can you describe the wedge apparently the wedge apparently the wedge apparently over a hundred and we're over a hundred and we're over a hundred and we're and we're gonna i'm gonna keep on trying and we're gonna i'm gonna keep on trying and we're gonna i'm gonna keep on trying to do that and you know it's funny that to do that and you know it's funny that to do that and you know it's funny that that when that when that when it's an interesting challenge for me as it's an interesting challenge for me as it's an interesting challenge for me as a writer to do a writer to do a writer to do um new inscriptions every time because i um new inscriptions every time because i um new inscriptions every time because i sort of feel like i'm writing a whole sort of feel like i'm writing a whole sort of feel like i'm writing a whole new book new book new book in like one page and my terrible in like one page and my terrible in like one page and my terrible handwriting it's like my android is handwriting it's like my android is handwriting it's like my android is almost illegible almost illegible almost illegible um uh inscriptions where i'm trying to um uh inscriptions where i'm trying to um uh inscriptions where i'm trying to sort of like eludicate ideas in new ways sort of like eludicate ideas in new ways sort of like eludicate ideas in new ways and and and if i had been smarter i would have taken
03:00if i had been smarter i would have taken if i had been smarter i would have taken pictures of every single one that i pictures of every single one that i pictures of every single one that i had well maybe you can reach back scott had well maybe you can reach back scott had well maybe you can reach back scott you know maybe you can reach back and you know maybe you can reach back and you know maybe you can reach back and i'd be i'd be i'd be i'm honored that you sent me this and i'm honored that you sent me this and i'm honored that you sent me this and and it's a little bit like haiku i mean and it's a little bit like haiku i mean and it's a little bit like haiku i mean you only have so much space on the page you only have so much space on the page you only have so much space on the page you really have to boil down and the you really have to boil down and the you really have to boil down and the essence of essence of essence of your communication um and so and so i your communication um and so and so i your communication um and so and so i wanted to wanted to wanted to start with that as a personal thank you start with that as a personal thank you start with that as a personal thank you because it is a personal touch what because it is a personal touch what because it is a personal touch what you've done there for me you've done there for me you've done there for me and also you know with this one um get and also you know with this one um get and also you know with this one um get hot and get cold i think that's a very hot and get cold i think that's a very hot and get cold i think that's a very important important important sort of root concept in the wedge and in sort of root concept in the wedge and in sort of root concept in the wedge and in life in general is a contrast is so life in general is a contrast is so life in general is a contrast is so important whether it's important whether it's important whether it's hot cold whether it's fear joy whether hot cold whether it's fear joy whether hot cold whether it's fear joy whether it's you know it's you know it's you know flow and unconsciousness or you know flow and unconsciousness or you know flow and unconsciousness or you know whatever it is whatever it is whatever it is like these these flipping between like these these flipping between like these these flipping between different states different states different states is really what makes us human is it it's is really what makes us human is it it's is really what makes us human is it it's it's because it's it's because it's it's because it's challenging our biology is challenging challenging our biology is challenging challenging our biology is challenging our minds and it's pushing us into our minds and it's pushing us into our minds and it's pushing us into um you know you know to be comfortable um you know you know to be comfortable um you know you know to be comfortable in different in different in different sorts of environments and one of the
04:00sorts of environments and one of the sorts of environments and one of the reasons why saunas are so reasons why saunas are so reasons why saunas are so amazing uh is is that you know how often amazing uh is is that you know how often amazing uh is is that you know how often do you hang out do you hang out do you hang out at 180 degree heat right how often does at 180 degree heat right how often does at 180 degree heat right how often does that happen in your life that happen in your life that happen in your life and and you're in that environment at and and you're in that environment at and and you're in that environment at first it's usually very very pleasant first it's usually very very pleasant first it's usually very very pleasant right you get in right you get in right you get in and the you're you're going for usually and the you're you're going for usually and the you're you're going for usually a colder area and then you're in this a colder area and then you're in this a colder area and then you're in this like 180 you're like oh this is amazing like 180 you're like oh this is amazing like 180 you're like oh this is amazing and then you know i wear a sauna hat i and then you know i wear a sauna hat i and then you know i wear a sauna hat i don't know if you're a hat wearer don't know if you're a hat wearer don't know if you're a hat wearer but i wear like an insulating hat on my but i wear like an insulating hat on my but i wear like an insulating hat on my head and then you know head and then you know head and then you know probably about the 20 minute mark i'm probably about the 20 minute mark i'm probably about the 20 minute mark i'm like wait a minute i am sweating a lot like wait a minute i am sweating a lot like wait a minute i am sweating a lot and i'm having some trouble here and i'm having some trouble here and i'm having some trouble here and you have to make a decision um do i and you have to make a decision um do i and you have to make a decision um do i sort of like open the door and let more sort of like open the door and let more sort of like open the door and let more cold air come in do i go out do i what cold air come in do i go out do i what cold air come in do i go out do i what do i do and do i do and do i do and and uh and that decision point is and uh and that decision point is and uh and that decision point is you know when humans are under stress you know when humans are under stress you know when humans are under stress is is when we become the most human is is when we become the most human is is when we become the most human because those choices matter because those choices matter because those choices matter and you know certainly don't go into the and you know certainly don't go into the and you know certainly don't go into the sauna too long because people have died sauna too long because people have died sauna too long because people have died right you know people have died in
05:00right you know people have died in right you know people have died in saunas they do it all the time saunas they do it all the time saunas they do it all the time um but um but um but but there are these sort of inflection but there are these sort of inflection but there are these sort of inflection points where you have to decide well points where you have to decide well points where you have to decide well what is dangerous what is not dangerous what is dangerous what is not dangerous what is dangerous what is not dangerous and and what what what am i going to be and and what what what am i going to be and and what what what am i going to be in this moment and i think i think it's in this moment and i think i think it's in this moment and i think i think it's a beautiful thing so i a beautiful thing so i a beautiful thing so i so after i first did my first real so after i first did my first real so after i first did my first real interesting sauna experience in latvia interesting sauna experience in latvia interesting sauna experience in latvia i'm sure we're going to get to this i'm sure we're going to get to this i'm sure we're going to get to this one of the first things i did is i came one of the first things i did is i came one of the first things i did is i came back home and i bought a sauna from my back home and i bought a sauna from my back home and i bought a sauna from my backyard backyard backyard and yeah i'm in it all the time i was in and yeah i'm in it all the time i was in and yeah i'm in it all the time i was in it just last night right on it just last night right on it just last night right on right on same and during this uh right on same and during this uh right on same and during this uh lockdown period have you found that you lockdown period have you found that you lockdown period have you found that you are taking sauna more frequently are taking sauna more frequently are taking sauna more frequently and what is your sauna routine in terms and what is your sauna routine in terms and what is your sauna routine in terms of frequencies of frequencies of frequencies time of day how many cycles how many time of day how many cycles how many time of day how many cycles how many rounds rounds rounds that sort of thing cool down experience that sort of thing cool down experience that sort of thing cool down experience give us a quick little give us a quick little give us a quick little preview of that i usually go preview of that i usually go preview of that i usually go in probably between sometime between in probably between sometime between in probably between sometime between three and seven pm three and seven pm three and seven pm um you know depending on the weather um you know depending on the weather um you know depending on the weather depending on the day showing how i'm depending on the day showing how i'm depending on the day showing how i'm feeling feeling feeling but yeah it's usually in the afternoons
06:00but yeah it's usually in the afternoons but yeah it's usually in the afternoons and you know when i first got and you know when i first got and you know when i first got i was in there all the time you know at i was in there all the time you know at i was in there all the time you know at least once a day least once a day least once a day for like a month and i think i got it in for like a month and i think i got it in for like a month and i think i got it in i think i bought it in july i think i bought it in july i think i bought it in july you know june or july and uh you know june or july and uh you know june or july and uh that was a mistake because i got real that was a mistake because i got real that was a mistake because i got real dehydrated dehydrated dehydrated like chronically dehydrated because i like chronically dehydrated because i like chronically dehydrated because i didn't compensate didn't compensate didn't compensate with drinking enough water so nowadays i with drinking enough water so nowadays i with drinking enough water so nowadays i i'm trying to do it about three times a i'm trying to do it about three times a i'm trying to do it about three times a week week week that's really where i find my personal that's really where i find my personal that's really where i find my personal sweet spot is and i'll stay in sweet spot is and i'll stay in sweet spot is and i'll stay in between 20 minutes at the minimum at the between 20 minutes at the minimum at the between 20 minutes at the minimum at the most like an hour and a half most like an hour and a half most like an hour and a half uh you know all depending on what i'm uh you know all depending on what i'm uh you know all depending on what i'm feeling like on that particular day and feeling like on that particular day and feeling like on that particular day and often my wife and i will go in together often my wife and i will go in together often my wife and i will go in together occasionally i go i'll go i'm a little occasionally i go i'll go i'm a little occasionally i go i'll go i'm a little bit more uh bit more uh bit more uh likely to go out on my own uh just i'll likely to go out on my own uh just i'll likely to go out on my own uh just i'll listen like a podcast or something you listen like a podcast or something you listen like a podcast or something you know just sort of like chill out i've know just sort of like chill out i've know just sort of like chill out i've got got got i mean i got my sauna hat on to insulate i mean i got my sauna hat on to insulate i mean i got my sauna hat on to insulate the brains the brains the brains and then i'll you know we have like and then i'll you know we have like and then i'll you know we have like essential oils that we put on we have a essential oils that we put on we have a essential oils that we put on we have a whole like whole like whole like shelf full of essential oils and uh and
07:00shelf full of essential oils and uh and shelf full of essential oils and uh and i've learned that some are really i've learned that some are really i've learned that some are really awesome and some are terrible to put in awesome and some are terrible to put in awesome and some are terrible to put in and you know i i just i i find it very and you know i i just i i find it very and you know i i just i i find it very relaxing relaxing relaxing um it's really nice when you've had like um it's really nice when you've had like um it's really nice when you've had like a um you know a slow cold day you know a um you know a slow cold day you know a um you know a slow cold day you know so so so my earlier book was called what doesn't my earlier book was called what doesn't my earlier book was called what doesn't kill us which is about the wim hof kill us which is about the wim hof kill us which is about the wim hof method about me jumping into ice water method about me jumping into ice water method about me jumping into ice water and like going from this oh you got that and like going from this oh you got that and like going from this oh you got that one too from the library one too from the library one too from the library awesome well look i i had this and i awesome well look i i had this and i awesome well look i i had this and i gave it to a friend of mine and then gave it to a friend of mine and then gave it to a friend of mine and then when you and i began when you sent me when you and i began when you sent me when you and i began when you sent me this i'm like holy [ __ ] this i'm like holy [ __ ] this i'm like holy [ __ ] you know and i i'm going to start with you know and i i'm going to start with you know and i i'm going to start with the you know i'm going to start with the the you know i'm going to start with the the you know i'm going to start with the pandering here pandering here pandering here the scott carney pandering moment here the scott carney pandering moment here the scott carney pandering moment here but nice i so enjoyed this book that i but nice i so enjoyed this book that i but nice i so enjoyed this book that i i got this from the library again and i got this from the library again and i got this from the library again and gave this i thought i would skim this gave this i thought i would skim this gave this i thought i would skim this you know for our read or for our visit you know for our read or for our visit you know for our read or for our visit today but i ended up basically today but i ended up basically today but i ended up basically re-reading this one the second time so re-reading this one the second time so re-reading this one the second time so i'm sorry to interrupt but keep going oh i'm sorry to interrupt but keep going oh i'm sorry to interrupt but keep going oh yeah no worries so yeah no worries so yeah no worries so like there's two types of cold right the like there's two types of cold right the like there's two types of cold right the way i see it right there's the there's way i see it right there's the there's way i see it right there's the there's the fast the fast the fast cold which is you you like from where
08:00cold which is you you like from where cold which is you you like from where you are right now you go into a cold you are right now you go into a cold you are right now you go into a cold shower or an ice bath shower or an ice bath shower or an ice bath and you feel that cold transition very and you feel that cold transition very and you feel that cold transition very very quickly and then there's slow cold very quickly and then there's slow cold very quickly and then there's slow cold slow cold is like you know it's like 50 slow cold is like you know it's like 50 slow cold is like you know it's like 50 degrees degrees degrees and you're you know you're not all and you're you know you're not all and you're you know you're not all bundled up and you just it's sort of a bundled up and you just it's sort of a bundled up and you just it's sort of a grinding cold and grinding cold and grinding cold and and and i find fast cold like the wim and and i find fast cold like the wim and and i find fast cold like the wim hof method is about hof method is about hof method is about fast cold it's about going from warm to fast cold it's about going from warm to fast cold it's about going from warm to cold cold cold or like neutral to cold controlling or like neutral to cold controlling or like neutral to cold controlling yourself in that and but you're only in yourself in that and but you're only in yourself in that and but you're only in the the the fast cold for like five ten minutes fast cold for like five ten minutes fast cold for like five ten minutes you know you you know you don't need to you know you you know you don't need to you know you you know you don't need to be in there for an hour to get the be in there for an hour to get the be in there for an hour to get the benefits benefits benefits it's that quick transition between these it's that quick transition between these it's that quick transition between these two states two states two states um slow cold i find grading like um slow cold i find grading like um slow cold i find grading like like i i i understand how it's useful like i i i understand how it's useful like i i i understand how it's useful but but but the sauna is like the most pleasurable the sauna is like the most pleasurable the sauna is like the most pleasurable thing ever thing ever thing ever after like a slow cold day and it does after like a slow cold day and it does after like a slow cold day and it does something to the mind as well when something to the mind as well when something to the mind as well when you're dealing with a slow cold day just you're dealing with a slow cold day just you're dealing with a slow cold day just to know that you have a hot sauna in to know that you have a hot sauna in to know that you have a hot sauna in your own backyard that is waiting for your own backyard that is waiting for your own backyard that is waiting for you i think you i think you i think you know it's so much so much in the
09:00you know it's so much so much in the you know it's so much so much in the wedge and we'll get to some of the wedge and we'll get to some of the wedge and we'll get to some of the the mental aspects the the mind work the mental aspects the the mind work the mental aspects the the mind work including the wim hof and all that including the wim hof and all that including the wim hof and all that but for me just knowing on a slow cold but for me just knowing on a slow cold but for me just knowing on a slow cold day that there's a sauna day that there's a sauna day that there's a sauna uh available to me the cold doesn't seem uh available to me the cold doesn't seem uh available to me the cold doesn't seem so so so penetrable or so so such a big deal yeah certainly you know yeah there's yeah certainly you know yeah there's this idea of like there is respite this idea of like there is respite this idea of like there is respite it's not only respite but then it's like it's not only respite but then it's like it's not only respite but then it's like really hot right then you go from sort really hot right then you go from sort really hot right then you go from sort of slow culture like of slow culture like of slow culture like really pleasurable at first for the really pleasurable at first for the really pleasurable at first for the first like five minutes just awesome first like five minutes just awesome first like five minutes just awesome and then you know you get to this point and then you know you get to this point and then you know you get to this point where where where the sauna is a little bit stressful i the sauna is a little bit stressful i the sauna is a little bit stressful i mean it's always easier than a mean it's always easier than a mean it's always easier than a ice bath right it's always easier than ice bath right it's always easier than ice bath right it's always easier than an ice bath um an ice bath um an ice bath um uh you know i don't i never really go uh you know i don't i never really go uh you know i don't i never really go above 200 in my sauna like i feel like above 200 in my sauna like i feel like above 200 in my sauna like i feel like that's the upper limit of where i would that's the upper limit of where i would that's the upper limit of where i would ever ever ever ever want to go but it's usually around ever want to go but it's usually around ever want to go but it's usually around 180 where i keep it at right now 180 where i keep it at right now 180 where i keep it at right now and uh yeah it's uh yeah they're they're and uh yeah it's uh yeah they're they're and uh yeah it's uh yeah they're they're they're really you know they're really you know they're really you know they they you know they alleviate they they you know they alleviate they they you know they alleviate depression that's one of the coolest
10:00depression that's one of the coolest depression that's one of the coolest things i'm sure you've seen the things i'm sure you've seen the things i'm sure you've seen the research by chuck raizon out of research by chuck raizon out of research by chuck raizon out of university of wisconsin university of wisconsin university of wisconsin where you know he correlates depression where you know he correlates depression where you know he correlates depression with an elevated body temperature so with an elevated body temperature so with an elevated body temperature so you know people who who are depressed you know people who who are depressed you know people who who are depressed have like basically a light have like basically a light have like basically a light fever and there's lots of correlations fever and there's lots of correlations fever and there's lots of correlations and i go into that in the wedge quite a and i go into that in the wedge quite a and i go into that in the wedge quite a bit bit bit for why that is but one of the the for why that is but one of the the for why that is but one of the the things that just about every things that just about every things that just about every circumpolar indigenous community ever um circumpolar indigenous community ever um circumpolar indigenous community ever um you know it doesn't matter you know it doesn't matter you know it doesn't matter what continent you're on they all have what continent you're on they all have what continent you're on they all have like some type of sweat lodge or sauna like some type of sweat lodge or sauna like some type of sweat lodge or sauna tradition tradition tradition and they're used in part to treat and they're used in part to treat and they're used in part to treat depression uh because depression uh because depression uh because you know when you're you have an you know when you're you have an you know when you're you have an elevated temperature if you then blow elevated temperature if you then blow elevated temperature if you then blow the roof off the roof off the roof off that temperature and you bring your body that temperature and you bring your body that temperature and you bring your body temperature way above so if you were temperature way above so if you were temperature way above so if you were running it like a hundred and now you're running it like a hundred and now you're running it like a hundred and now you're running at running at running at you know i don't know what your butt in you know i don't know what your butt in you know i don't know what your butt in core goes to but hot much higher than core goes to but hot much higher than core goes to but hot much higher than that that that um you actually reset to a lower um you actually reset to a lower um you actually reset to a lower temperature temperature temperature more normal temperature after that and more normal temperature after that and more normal temperature after that and so it becomes this great way to so it becomes this great way to so it becomes this great way to alleviate alleviate alleviate um depression and what raison's research
11:00um depression and what raison's research um depression and what raison's research showed was that if you actually just showed was that if you actually just showed was that if you actually just correct someone's body temperature correct someone's body temperature correct someone's body temperature the depression also goes away like if the depression also goes away like if the depression also goes away like if you treated somebody who was depressed you treated somebody who was depressed you treated somebody who was depressed with with with ssris which is a serotonin selective ssris which is a serotonin selective ssris which is a serotonin selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors like your serotonin reuptake inhibitors like your serotonin reuptake inhibitors like your prozacs and and whatnot um your prozacs and and whatnot um your prozacs and and whatnot um your lexoprose lexoprose lexoprose if you treat someone with that then you if you treat someone with that then you if you treat someone with that then you test their body temperature their body test their body temperature their body test their body temperature their body temperature has reset to normal temperature has reset to normal temperature has reset to normal uh and that's and and so saunas can do uh and that's and and so saunas can do uh and that's and and so saunas can do the same thing to a person the same thing to a person the same thing to a person uh which is amazing beautiful i want to uh which is amazing beautiful i want to uh which is amazing beautiful i want to backtrack a little bit and get a little backtrack a little bit and get a little backtrack a little bit and get a little geeky with you so geeky with you so geeky with you so you know i've been taking sonos for 30 you know i've been taking sonos for 30 you know i've been taking sonos for 30 years i've been building saunas and years i've been building saunas and years i've been building saunas and i i went back to the mecca it was like a i i went back to the mecca it was like a i i went back to the mecca it was like a pilgrimage back to finland pilgrimage back to finland pilgrimage back to finland and i came back with a couple of unique and i came back with a couple of unique and i came back with a couple of unique or a couple of really cool learnings i or a couple of really cool learnings i or a couple of really cool learnings i just want to share with you as a just want to share with you as a just want to share with you as a little digression when you mentioned little digression when you mentioned little digression when you mentioned that you were sounding like crazy that you were sounding like crazy that you were sounding like crazy uh and you got really like hot uh and you got really like hot uh and you got really like hot dehydrated and dehydrated and dehydrated and tired and stuff two thoughts for you tired and stuff two thoughts for you tired and stuff two thoughts for you um i realized when i was getting tired um i realized when i was getting tired um i realized when i was getting tired uh and uh and uh and with sauna and my i was getting a little
12:00with sauna and my i was getting a little with sauna and my i was getting a little bit more tired in my backyard sound in bit more tired in my backyard sound in bit more tired in my backyard sound in minneapolis minneapolis minneapolis then up at the cabin where i'm at right then up at the cabin where i'm at right then up at the cabin where i'm at right now i could take now i could take now i could take much more aggressive saunas without that much more aggressive saunas without that much more aggressive saunas without that post sauna fatigue post sauna fatigue post sauna fatigue and i was trying to figure it out and and i was trying to figure it out and and i was trying to figure it out and then it went on like a light bulb when i then it went on like a light bulb when i then it went on like a light bulb when i was in finland i was in finland i was in finland i scott i took 50 saunas in 12 days in scott i took 50 saunas in 12 days in scott i took 50 saunas in 12 days in finland and was escorted around by a lot finland and was escorted around by a lot finland and was escorted around by a lot of of of pros a lot of the real real like pros a lot of the real real like pros a lot of the real real like heavy-duty sauna people but they heavy-duty sauna people but they heavy-duty sauna people but they introduced me to minerals and i'm like introduced me to minerals and i'm like introduced me to minerals and i'm like ah it was like a massive light bulb that ah it was like a massive light bulb that ah it was like a massive light bulb that what went on because what i realized is what went on because what i realized is what went on because what i realized is i was drinking i was drinking i was drinking two large 32 ounce gatorade bottles of two large 32 ounce gatorade bottles of two large 32 ounce gatorade bottles of water water water in minneapolis it was from our reverse in minneapolis it was from our reverse in minneapolis it was from our reverse osmosis system osmosis system osmosis system and i'm like it takes everything out so and i'm like it takes everything out so and i'm like it takes everything out so i was like basically drinking i was like basically drinking i was like basically drinking non-mineral waters and i was dehydrating non-mineral waters and i was dehydrating non-mineral waters and i was dehydrating myself myself myself even though i was drinking a [ __ ] ton of even though i was drinking a [ __ ] ton of even though i was drinking a [ __ ] ton of water um right so i offer that as a water um right so i offer that as a water um right so i offer that as a as a thought you can be looking yeah i as a thought you can be looking yeah i as a thought you can be looking yeah i actually stopped i use a mineralization actually stopped i use a mineralization actually stopped i use a mineralization solution at the end of my saunas i i solution at the end of my saunas i i solution at the end of my saunas i i have this some sort of like
13:00have this some sort of like have this some sort of like non-sugar-based electrolyte thing that i non-sugar-based electrolyte thing that i non-sugar-based electrolyte thing that i now doctor my water with right on um now doctor my water with right on um now doctor my water with right on um which does seem to be helpful yeah which does seem to be helpful yeah which does seem to be helpful yeah for certain but also you know i i'm up for certain but also you know i i'm up for certain but also you know i i'm up 50 to 80 50 to 80 50 to 80 here so i'm in denver a mile high and here so i'm in denver a mile high and here so i'm in denver a mile high and uh it's just really easy to get uh it's just really easy to get uh it's just really easy to get dehydrated anyway just even just being dehydrated anyway just even just being dehydrated anyway just even just being in denver doesn't matter how much water in denver doesn't matter how much water in denver doesn't matter how much water you drink you're just dehydrated all the you drink you're just dehydrated all the you drink you're just dehydrated all the time time time uh yeah so there's a lot of factors that uh yeah so there's a lot of factors that uh yeah so there's a lot of factors that go into it but i certainly found go into it but i certainly found go into it but i certainly found my groove now yeah right on and the my groove now yeah right on and the my groove now yeah right on and the other bit i wanted to share real quickly other bit i wanted to share real quickly other bit i wanted to share real quickly is about ventilation and i've become a is about ventilation and i've become a is about ventilation and i've become a real real real nut for good ventilation including the nut for good ventilation including the nut for good ventilation including the saunas that i'm consulting with and saunas that i'm consulting with and saunas that i'm consulting with and building now building now building now i i was taken aback by how i i was taken aback by how i i was taken aback by how counterintuitive good ventilation is to counterintuitive good ventilation is to counterintuitive good ventilation is to sauna sauna sauna because you would think normally you because you would think normally you because you would think normally you want to really contain this heat want to really contain this heat want to really contain this heat hold it down you know and and build the hold it down you know and and build the hold it down you know and and build the the core the core the core you can do that as your sauna comes up you can do that as your sauna comes up you can do that as your sauna comes up the temperature but the temperature but the temperature but so often um it's counterintuitive in
14:00so often um it's counterintuitive in so often um it's counterintuitive in that a well-vented sauna actually feels that a well-vented sauna actually feels that a well-vented sauna actually feels hotter because hotter because hotter because it's akin to say being on a frozen lake it's akin to say being on a frozen lake it's akin to say being on a frozen lake with no wind with no wind with no wind you know you can kind of deal with that you know you can kind of deal with that you know you can kind of deal with that but the slightest breeze and you're like but the slightest breeze and you're like but the slightest breeze and you're like super cold and it's the opposite in a super cold and it's the opposite in a super cold and it's the opposite in a hot room where that little bit of hot room where that little bit of hot room where that little bit of circulation makes it feel even hotter circulation makes it feel even hotter circulation makes it feel even hotter but uh it really where do you um yeah but uh it really where do you um yeah but uh it really where do you um yeah there's two vents in my sauna there's two vents in my sauna there's two vents in my sauna um there there's one right under the the um there there's one right under the the um there there's one right under the the sort of electric coal sort of electric coal sort of electric coal thing um the heating element right and thing um the heating element right and thing um the heating element right and then there's another one in the back of then there's another one in the back of then there's another one in the back of the sauna and i just i keep them both the sauna and i just i keep them both the sauna and i just i keep them both wide open i believe i think that's right wide open i believe i think that's right wide open i believe i think that's right i don't really i don't really i don't really touch them at all yeah yeah yeah if you touch them at all yeah yeah yeah if you touch them at all yeah yeah yeah if you want to get nervous something right want to get nervous something right want to get nervous something right yeah no you're doing it right if you yeah no you're doing it right if you yeah no you're doing it right if you want to get nerdy on that like when you want to get nerdy on that like when you want to get nerdy on that like when you uh it's electric right you have an uh it's electric right you have an uh it's electric right you have an electric yeah it's it's electric electric yeah it's it's electric electric yeah it's it's electric right electric and then coals on it right electric and then coals on it right electric and then coals on it right audio or something or other yeah right audio or something or other yeah right audio or something or other yeah got it so so when you flip the switch uh got it so so when you flip the switch uh got it so so when you flip the switch uh try next time just closing the vents and try next time just closing the vents and try next time just closing the vents and when you're up to serving temperature
15:00when you're up to serving temperature when you're up to serving temperature then open the vents uh and so you kind then open the vents uh and so you kind then open the vents uh and so you kind of you're kind of like of you're kind of like of you're kind of like getting a good wood fired pizza oven getting a good wood fired pizza oven getting a good wood fired pizza oven going or getting you're baking bread in going or getting you're baking bread in going or getting you're baking bread in other words you got other words you got other words you got you got a good heat mass that's very you got a good heat mass that's very you got a good heat mass that's very dense and then dense and then dense and then you open those vents and you'll get good you open those vents and you'll get good you open those vents and you'll get good circulation but circulation but circulation but but anyhow i i didn't mean to geek out but anyhow i i didn't mean to geek out but anyhow i i didn't mean to geek out on you but that was something i learned on you but that was something i learned on you but that was something i learned from my trip over there is that from my trip over there is that from my trip over there is that is uh you know it's basically hydration is uh you know it's basically hydration is uh you know it's basically hydration through minerals and good ventilation through minerals and good ventilation through minerals and good ventilation uh allow one to be a sauna madman a uh allow one to be a sauna madman a uh allow one to be a sauna madman a little bit little bit little bit um a little bit better so awesome right um a little bit better so awesome right um a little bit better so awesome right on on on so so i want to talk about the wedge and so so i want to talk about the wedge and so so i want to talk about the wedge and and i i just uh as and i i just uh as and i i just uh as when i read the book and i think i told when i read the book and i think i told when i read the book and i think i told you this i said like finally somebody's you this i said like finally somebody's you this i said like finally somebody's explained this very simply because i got explained this very simply because i got explained this very simply because i got to tell you that the to tell you that the to tell you that the what i would do when i would bring what i would do when i would bring what i would do when i would bring people into sauna and you're absolutely people into sauna and you're absolutely people into sauna and you're absolutely right sitting on the right sitting on the right sitting on the on the bench is very soothing and on the bench is very soothing and on the bench is very soothing and therapeutic but therapeutic but therapeutic but how we choose to cool down um is where how we choose to cool down um is where how we choose to cool down um is where things can get shocking and so things can get shocking and so things can get shocking and so i would always try to coach people
16:00i would always try to coach people i would always try to coach people jumping into our cold lake in here in jumping into our cold lake in here in jumping into our cold lake in here in northern minnesota or be it an ice bath northern minnesota or be it an ice bath northern minnesota or be it an ice bath or a cold shower or a cold shower or a cold shower i'd say look you know you're feeling one i'd say look you know you're feeling one i'd say look you know you're feeling one thing but don't freak out like thing but don't freak out like thing but don't freak out like feeling versus freak out and and it was feeling versus freak out and and it was feeling versus freak out and and it was so parallel that you came up with this so parallel that you came up with this so parallel that you came up with this from a technical side from a technical side from a technical side and i would like guests to hear it from and i would like guests to hear it from and i would like guests to hear it from from your voice from your voice from your voice um the wedge stimulus um the wedge stimulus um the wedge stimulus the whole game i mean it you probably the whole game i mean it you probably the whole game i mean it you probably explained this a million times and i explained this a million times and i explained this a million times and i could do it if you want but you go could do it if you want but you go could do it if you want but you go if you're cool with it yeah so the if you're cool with it yeah so the if you're cool with it yeah so the question is what is the wedge and the question is what is the wedge and the question is what is the wedge and the easiest way to think about it is a way easiest way to think about it is a way easiest way to think about it is a way that we think of a lot of these that we think of a lot of these that we think of a lot of these meditative practices which is st meditative practices which is st meditative practices which is st separating stimulus from response right separating stimulus from response right separating stimulus from response right we have the stimulus of the external we have the stimulus of the external we have the stimulus of the external sort of objective sort of objective sort of objective environmental stimulus whatever that environmental stimulus whatever that environmental stimulus whatever that might be and then there's the way that might be and then there's the way that might be and then there's the way that your nervous system your nervous system your nervous system reacts to that and you know we only have reacts to that and you know we only have reacts to that and you know we only have two two two nervous system pathways really it's nervous system pathways really it's nervous system pathways really it's sympathetic and parasympathetic sympathetic and parasympathetic sympathetic and parasympathetic sympathetic is fight or flight sympathetic is fight or flight sympathetic is fight or flight parasympathetic is rest and digest and
17:00parasympathetic is rest and digest and parasympathetic is rest and digest and our bodies really you can only be in one our bodies really you can only be in one our bodies really you can only be in one of those two states at a of those two states at a of those two states at a at any of the time and sometimes it's a at any of the time and sometimes it's a at any of the time and sometimes it's a mix usually it's a mixture mix usually it's a mixture mix usually it's a mixture of of the two right rest and digest when of of the two right rest and digest when of of the two right rest and digest when you're sleeping it's the full-on and you're sleeping it's the full-on and you're sleeping it's the full-on and fight-or-flight is when you're actually fight-or-flight is when you're actually fight-or-flight is when you're actually fighting you're dumping all that fighting you're dumping all that fighting you're dumping all that adrenaline and cortisol adrenaline and cortisol adrenaline and cortisol but we do have some choice in how but we do have some choice in how but we do have some choice in how our bodies um select which pathway that our bodies um select which pathway that our bodies um select which pathway that we're gonna we're going to be we're gonna we're going to be we're gonna we're going to be going on into and usually you know going on into and usually you know going on into and usually you know certain stimulus give you sort of certain stimulus give you sort of certain stimulus give you sort of objective objective objective of response the ice bath for instance of response the ice bath for instance of response the ice bath for instance puts you into fight or flight puts you into fight or flight puts you into fight or flight um because it's your body senses as a um because it's your body senses as a um because it's your body senses as a threat threat threat as imminent death you know it's all of as imminent death you know it's all of as imminent death you know it's all of these signals these signals these signals and so then your body is like okay i'm and so then your body is like okay i'm and so then your body is like okay i'm gonna rise to the challenge i'm gonna gonna rise to the challenge i'm gonna gonna rise to the challenge i'm gonna clench up clench up clench up and i'm going to release um all these and i'm going to release um all these and i'm going to release um all these stress hormones that that that stress hormones that that that stress hormones that that that let me power through this environment let me power through this environment let me power through this environment the thing is and this is the beauty of the thing is and this is the beauty of the thing is and this is the beauty of the wim hof method the wim hof method the wim hof method is that he says well no you you that
18:00is that he says well no you you that is that he says well no you you that that's just your emotions that's just your emotions that's just your emotions getting in there right that's you know getting in there right that's you know getting in there right that's you know that and and your emotions are that and and your emotions are that and and your emotions are interesting like an emotion is interesting like an emotion is interesting like an emotion is is like basically your b your mind or is like basically your b your mind or is like basically your b your mind or your brains your brains your brains your brain telling your mind uh talking your brain telling your mind uh talking your brain telling your mind uh talking about sort of about sort of about sort of predicting what the environment is going predicting what the environment is going predicting what the environment is going to gonna do to you in in a way and to gonna do to you in in a way and to gonna do to you in in a way and there's a very technical explanation for there's a very technical explanation for there's a very technical explanation for this this this in the book and i don't know if i want in the book and i don't know if i want in the book and i don't know if i want to go all the way in because it's you to go all the way in because it's you to go all the way in because it's you know nerdy know nerdy know nerdy um but but essentially sensation and um but but essentially sensation and um but but essentially sensation and emotion get wired together in our brain emotion get wired together in our brain emotion get wired together in our brain and you and you and you you can say it you feel an emotion but you can say it you feel an emotion but you can say it you feel an emotion but you can also sort of think it and the you can also sort of think it and the you can also sort of think it and the emotions give us emotions give us emotions give us the ability to sort of navigate the the ability to sort of navigate the the ability to sort of navigate the world and you know if world and you know if world and you know if if it's just a sensation that comes in if it's just a sensation that comes in if it's just a sensation that comes in it's just data it's just data it's just data but that data doesn't mean anything but that data doesn't mean anything but that data doesn't mean anything until you you your until you you your until you you your your mind sort of ascribes meaning to your mind sort of ascribes meaning to your mind sort of ascribes meaning to that and the way we do that is with that and the way we do that is with that and the way we do that is with emotion so i have this thing we call emotion so i have this thing we call emotion so i have this thing we call neural symbols and everything that we neural symbols and everything that we neural symbols and everything that we think about everything that we think about everything that we think about everything that we feel and and even conceive of at like a feel and and even conceive of at like a feel and and even conceive of at like a highly abstract intellectual level
19:00highly abstract intellectual level highly abstract intellectual level comes from the combination of sensation comes from the combination of sensation comes from the combination of sensation and emotion uh and emotion uh and emotion uh as like sort of the bits and bytes of as like sort of the bits and bytes of as like sort of the bits and bytes of consciousness um consciousness um consciousness um i think i've described that as a in a i think i've described that as a in a i think i've described that as a in a little confusing way little confusing way little confusing way um and i'm sorry about that no no you um and i'm sorry about that no no you um and i'm sorry about that no no you you did not at all um and so uh i'll you did not at all um and so uh i'll you did not at all um and so uh i'll summarize it in a summarize it in a summarize it in a little uh well here's what here's what little uh well here's what here's what little uh well here's what here's what you've done to me like just this morning you've done to me like just this morning you've done to me like just this morning so i so i so i i've done i do wim hof every morning and i've done i do wim hof every morning and i've done i do wim hof every morning and then i jump in the lake then i jump in the lake then i jump in the lake and i you know i tell my because the and i you know i tell my because the and i you know i tell my because the lake is still really cold up here lake is still really cold up here lake is still really cold up here so you know i just tell myself and i've so you know i just tell myself and i've so you know i just tell myself and i've been telling myself this for years but been telling myself this for years but been telling myself this for years but now i tell myself now i tell myself now i tell myself just do the wedge right i used to tell just do the wedge right i used to tell just do the wedge right i used to tell my my my oh hey i know i know that this feeling oh hey i know i know that this feeling oh hey i know i know that this feeling is cold but just think how great it's is cold but just think how great it's is cold but just think how great it's going to be when you get out of off the going to be when you get out of off the going to be when you get out of off the ladder and stand on the dock ladder and stand on the dock ladder and stand on the dock you know so it's sort of that re um you you know so it's sort of that re um you you know so it's sort of that re um you you can trick your mind much as you said you can trick your mind much as you said you can trick your mind much as you said it's a it's repositioning it's a it's repositioning it's a it's repositioning don't think about that sensation you don't think about that sensation you don't think about that sensation you think about how damn good it feels after think about how damn good it feels after think about how damn good it feels after and you know we all know that you know
20:00and you know we all know that you know and you know we all know that you know that the endorphins rush and you that the endorphins rush and you that the endorphins rush and you and you also try not to fight it right and you also try not to fight it right and you also try not to fight it right because there's no one who's ever died because there's no one who's ever died because there's no one who's ever died in a minute in an ice bath like one in a minute in an ice bath like one in a minute in an ice bath like one minute in the ice bath even 10 minutes minute in the ice bath even 10 minutes minute in the ice bath even 10 minutes honestly honestly honestly um it's not going to kill you you know um it's not going to kill you you know um it's not going to kill you you know because because honestly water if it's because because honestly water if it's because because honestly water if it's liquid is over 32 degrees like we know liquid is over 32 degrees like we know liquid is over 32 degrees like we know this right that's the that's the nature this right that's the that's the nature this right that's the that's the nature of water of water of water and it you know you can only lose so and it you know you can only lose so and it you know you can only lose so much heat into that water and while your much heat into that water and while your much heat into that water and while your body has this emotional response to be body has this emotional response to be body has this emotional response to be like like like no we're dying you can tell your body no we're dying you can tell your body no we're dying you can tell your body and this is what the wedge and this is what the wedge and this is what the wedge is it's you tell your body no you're is it's you tell your body no you're is it's you tell your body no you're wrong wrong wrong it's not something we need to be scared it's not something we need to be scared it's not something we need to be scared of and you can do that by thinking how of and you can do that by thinking how of and you can do that by thinking how awesome it is or how awesome it makes awesome it is or how awesome it makes awesome it is or how awesome it makes you feel but essentially you push you feel but essentially you push you feel but essentially you push yourself yourself yourself from that clenching fight or flight into from that clenching fight or flight into from that clenching fight or flight into that relaxed state that relaxed state that relaxed state and the miracle is your body is like and the miracle is your body is like and the miracle is your body is like okay well i'll find a different way to okay well i'll find a different way to okay well i'll find a different way to heat myself heat myself heat myself like i'm not just gonna give up right like i'm not just gonna give up right like i'm not just gonna give up right um i'm not gonna just like you know let um i'm not gonna just like you know let um i'm not gonna just like you know let all the cards go and just you know flop all the cards go and just you know flop all the cards go and just you know flop around and die around and die around and die what i'm going to do is is you know
21:00what i'm going to do is is you know what i'm going to do is is you know essentially you start burning essentially you start burning essentially you start burning white fat like you go to a metabolic white fat like you go to a metabolic white fat like you go to a metabolic program and program and program and um you know it's really cool and you can um you know it's really cool and you can um you know it's really cool and you can read all you know what doesn't kill us read all you know what doesn't kill us read all you know what doesn't kill us and i can talk about the chemistry in and i can talk about the chemistry in and i can talk about the chemistry in that but that but that but but essentially you've also switched but essentially you've also switched but essentially you've also switched your emotional state your emotional state your emotional state and you've switched your emotional state and you've switched your emotional state and you've switched your emotional state in a stressful situation and that in a stressful situation and that in a stressful situation and that you know that gives you these you know that gives you these you know that gives you these generalized benefits in life generalized benefits in life generalized benefits in life uh like over every aspect of it because uh like over every aspect of it because uh like over every aspect of it because if you can put yourself in a stressful if you can put yourself in a stressful if you can put yourself in a stressful situation situation situation and then say this isn't that bad and then say this isn't that bad and then say this isn't that bad that that that alters your body because that that that alters your body because that that that alters your body because your body went from fight or flight your body went from fight or flight your body went from fight or flight stressful situation means fight or stressful situation means fight or stressful situation means fight or flight to actually now rest and digest flight to actually now rest and digest flight to actually now rest and digest which which which changes the hormones that you're changes the hormones that you're changes the hormones that you're releasing you know fight-or-flight's releasing you know fight-or-flight's releasing you know fight-or-flight's adrenaline cortisol adrenaline cortisol adrenaline cortisol and rest and digest is like garland and and rest and digest is like garland and and rest and digest is like garland and actually i'm not even sure what's on actually i'm not even sure what's on actually i'm not even sure what's on resin juice yes but it's a whole bunch resin juice yes but it's a whole bunch resin juice yes but it's a whole bunch of different of different of different sets of hormones and and then so sets of hormones and and then so sets of hormones and and then so literally that thought literally that thought literally that thought changes your interior chemistry it changes your interior chemistry it changes your interior chemistry it changes your interior biology and all
22:00changes your interior biology and all changes your interior biology and all the the cells that you have in you all the cells that you have in you all the cells that you have in you all the bacteria that's living in your gut all bacteria that's living in your gut all bacteria that's living in your gut all of that stuff of that stuff of that stuff is now responding to a different set of is now responding to a different set of is now responding to a different set of stimulus that you've generated with stimulus that you've generated with stimulus that you've generated with your mind thank you your mind thank you your mind thank you thank you very much for that um it thank you very much for that um it thank you very much for that um it reminds me also like if you reminds me also like if you reminds me also like if you uh sauna and hot and cold are just such uh sauna and hot and cold are just such uh sauna and hot and cold are just such a great way to a great way to a great way to train the mind so where i'm going with train the mind so where i'm going with train the mind so where i'm going with that is uh that is uh that is uh you have a group of people that are very you have a group of people that are very you have a group of people that are very well conditioned to hot and cold say and well conditioned to hot and cold say and well conditioned to hot and cold say and then then then um something stressful happens a car um something stressful happens a car um something stressful happens a car accident or some accident or some accident or some other thing uh i can tell this other thing uh i can tell this other thing uh i can tell this from a personal standpoint i'm i'm less from a personal standpoint i'm i'm less from a personal standpoint i'm i'm less apt to freak out apt to freak out apt to freak out because i immediately go into a very because i immediately go into a very because i immediately go into a very comfortable place to say okay stimulus comfortable place to say okay stimulus comfortable place to say okay stimulus i get it something's freaking out but i i get it something's freaking out but i i get it something's freaking out but i pause and pause and pause and there's a gap there that you've there's a gap there that you've there's a gap there that you've explained so eloquently so it is a explained so eloquently so it is a explained so eloquently so it is a cognitive thing that you can apply to cognitive thing that you can apply to cognitive thing that you can apply to other areas of life other areas of life other areas of life right yeah absolutely and you know it's
23:00right yeah absolutely and you know it's right yeah absolutely and you know it's not to say it makes you super human not to say it makes you super human not to say it makes you super human right i mean you got in your car right i mean you got in your car right i mean you got in your car accident you accident you accident you had a clear mind you still had the car had a clear mind you still had the car had a clear mind you still had the car accident right so so you know this isn't accident right so so you know this isn't accident right so so you know this isn't like like magic but what it does do is is gives magic but what it does do is is gives magic but what it does do is is gives you it can give you you it can give you you it can give you a tool to give yourself clarity in a a tool to give yourself clarity in a a tool to give yourself clarity in a moment moment moment and alternately you know the other thing and alternately you know the other thing and alternately you know the other thing that you can do i talk about inserting a that you can do i talk about inserting a that you can do i talk about inserting a wedge a lot in the book and what i wedge a lot in the book and what i wedge a lot in the book and what i didn't didn't didn't explicitly say in a sentence and i'm explicitly say in a sentence and i'm explicitly say in a sentence and i'm sort of kicking myself for not do sort of kicking myself for not do sort of kicking myself for not do doing this but you can also remove a doing this but you can also remove a doing this but you can also remove a wedge right you can be like wedge right you can be like wedge right you can be like okay actually i want to be automatic okay actually i want to be automatic okay actually i want to be automatic right now right now right now i want to go with exactly what um i want to go with exactly what um i want to go with exactly what um my body wants to do i don't want to my body wants to do i don't want to my body wants to do i don't want to question it because sometimes your body question it because sometimes your body question it because sometimes your body is right is right is right you know and and so you can sort of you know and and so you can sort of you know and and so you can sort of decide to give it those things so you're decide to give it those things so you're decide to give it those things so you're so you're not so you're not so you're not questioning yourself so you're not using questioning yourself so you're not using questioning yourself so you're not using that that sti that that that sti that that that sti that that gap which is also a time gap that gap which is also a time gap that gap which is also a time gap because sometimes the mind gets in the because sometimes the mind gets in the because sometimes the mind gets in the way and this is when i way and this is when i way and this is when i we get into flow states i have this we get into flow states i have this we get into flow states i have this whole chapter about throwing kettlebells whole chapter about throwing kettlebells whole chapter about throwing kettlebells back and forth between people back and forth between people back and forth between people and and i didn't explicitly say it but and and i didn't explicitly say it but and and i didn't explicitly say it but that is removing the wedge because i
24:00that is removing the wedge because i that is removing the wedge because i want your body to act automatically in want your body to act automatically in want your body to act automatically in stress stress stress uh so that you just sort of go into flow uh so that you just sort of go into flow uh so that you just sort of go into flow uh uh uh and that's the and that and you know i and that's the and that and you know i and that's the and that and you know i still kick myself for not putting that still kick myself for not putting that still kick myself for not putting that one sentence in the book but one sentence in the book but one sentence in the book but uh well oh well is right well there's a uh well oh well is right well there's a uh well oh well is right well there's a there's a there's a there's a so scott i'm teeing the ball up for you so scott i'm teeing the ball up for you so scott i'm teeing the ball up for you potentially for the the follow-up uh potentially for the the follow-up uh potentially for the the follow-up uh book book book about when when so the point is is when about when when so the point is is when about when when so the point is is when by consciousness by being able to by consciousness by being able to by consciousness by being able to understand the wedge you can control the understand the wedge you can control the understand the wedge you can control the wedge wedge wedge how much you want to put in or how how much you want to put in or how how much you want to put in or how little you want little you want little you want but it's it's about learning a language but it's it's about learning a language but it's it's about learning a language it may be about when when you when it's it may be about when when you when it's it may be about when when you when it's time to time to time to apply or and when when to accept apply or and when when to accept apply or and when when to accept yeah i mean it's this it's the stress yeah i mean it's this it's the stress yeah i mean it's this it's the stress and emotion and sensation these are the and emotion and sensation these are the and emotion and sensation these are the grammar grammar grammar of our neurology right it's not the of our neurology right it's not the of our neurology right it's not the grammar of your mind your mind has it grammar of your mind your mind has it grammar of your mind your mind has it you know usually we think you know usually we think you know usually we think i think in english generally but you i think in english generally but you i think in english generally but you also feel emotions and stuff also feel emotions and stuff also feel emotions and stuff and and so the wedge is the tool that we
25:00and and so the wedge is the tool that we and and so the wedge is the tool that we use to surf use to surf use to surf this sort of like structure of the brain this sort of like structure of the brain this sort of like structure of the brain and the knowledge of that structure and the knowledge of that structure and the knowledge of that structure these feelings these feelings these feelings um you know even when you say feeling um you know even when you say feeling um you know even when you say feeling right i say i have this you know i right i say i have this you know i right i say i have this you know i uh i i'm feeling angry right i you we uh i i'm feeling angry right i you we uh i i'm feeling angry right i you we say this right or i'm feeling love or say this right or i'm feeling love or say this right or i'm feeling love or whatever it's interesting to note that whatever it's interesting to note that whatever it's interesting to note that we use that we use that we use that that word because that's also the word that word because that's also the word that word because that's also the word we use to say i feel cold i feel hot we use to say i feel cold i feel hot we use to say i feel cold i feel hot and so there's this connection even and so there's this connection even and so there's this connection even linguistically that we have between an linguistically that we have between an linguistically that we have between an emotion emotion emotion and and just a sensation of the and and just a sensation of the and and just a sensation of the environment and i think that's what was environment and i think that's what was environment and i think that's what was a very wise thing that happened a very wise thing that happened a very wise thing that happened however english got formed and likely um however english got formed and likely um however english got formed and likely um you know i i also speak hindi um and we you know i i also speak hindi um and we you know i i also speak hindi um and we can get into that later can get into that later can get into that later but also lagna is is also the same thing but also lagna is is also the same thing but also lagna is is also the same thing it's a feeling of an emotion but it also it's a feeling of an emotion but it also it's a feeling of an emotion but it also i can feel cold i can feel cold i can feel cold um so there's some sort of like root out um so there's some sort of like root out um so there's some sort of like root out there there there about um and what is it in los about um and what is it in los about um and what is it in los santos is that in spanish too now i'm santos is that in spanish too now i'm
26:00santos is that in spanish too now i'm gonna go through all the languages i gonna go through all the languages i gonna go through all the languages i barely know barely know barely know and try to figure out uh if this is sort and try to figure out uh if this is sort and try to figure out uh if this is sort of like a universal concept is that of like a universal concept is that of like a universal concept is that feelings of feelings of feelings of sensations and feelings of the interior sensations and feelings of the interior sensations and feelings of the interior state are somehow connected state are somehow connected state are somehow connected at the root of our being and culture so we got to get into whim we got to so we got to get into whim we got to talk whim when when the book came out i talk whim when when the book came out i talk whim when when the book came out i was probably was probably was probably uh i don't know maybe eight months into uh i don't know maybe eight months into uh i don't know maybe eight months into my own uh my own uh my own uh whim practice through the ten week whim practice through the ten week whim practice through the ten week course and stuff so it was course and stuff so it was course and stuff so it was it's just so great to see i mean you are it's just so great to see i mean you are it's just so great to see i mean you are on the forefront of on the forefront of on the forefront of of his work you before before the book of his work you before before the book of his work you before before the book uh what doesn't kill us came out uh what doesn't kill us came out uh what doesn't kill us came out you had been doing the wim hof for about you had been doing the wim hof for about you had been doing the wim hof for about how long like when how long like when how long like when 2016 2011 yeah yeah so i've been doing 2016 2011 yeah yeah so i've been doing 2016 2011 yeah yeah so i've been doing it since 2011 it since 2011 it since 2011 when i first met him in poland i was the when i first met him in poland i was the when i first met him in poland i was the first first first journalist to take him seriously uh you journalist to take him seriously uh you journalist to take him seriously uh you know i initially know i initially know i initially i was on a commission from playboy to i was on a commission from playboy to i was on a commission from playboy to debunk him as a charlatan debunk him as a charlatan debunk him as a charlatan uh because i had you know i just written uh because i had you know i just written
27:00uh because i had you know i just written up another book it was called the up another book it was called the up another book it was called the enlightenment trap enlightenment trap enlightenment trap and it was about how meditation can kill and it was about how meditation can kill and it was about how meditation can kill you essentially and if people who get so you essentially and if people who get so you essentially and if people who get so caught up in the idea of superpowers and caught up in the idea of superpowers and caught up in the idea of superpowers and like like spiritual explanations for rational spiritual explanations for rational spiritual explanations for rational events that they go crazy and bad things events that they go crazy and bad things events that they go crazy and bad things happen happen happen and when i saw whim he's this dude and when i saw whim he's this dude and when i saw whim he's this dude sitting on an iceberg saying he can sitting on an iceberg saying he can sitting on an iceberg saying he can control his immune system and you know control his immune system and you know control his immune system and you know do these do these do these what looked like sort of crazy things um what looked like sort of crazy things um what looked like sort of crazy things um i went out there i was like cool this i went out there i was like cool this i went out there i was like cool this guy's gonna you know get people hurt guy's gonna you know get people hurt guy's gonna you know get people hurt and i'm gonna go debunk him before he and i'm gonna go debunk him before he and i'm gonna go debunk him before he gets famous uh gets famous uh gets famous uh lo and behold his method works my whole lo and behold his method works my whole lo and behold his method works my whole plan falls apart and i plan falls apart and i plan falls apart and i am one of the very first people to help am one of the very first people to help am one of the very first people to help sort of make whim sort of make whim sort of make whim famous i mean he did he's amazing on his famous i mean he did he's amazing on his famous i mean he did he's amazing on his own um own um own um right but i was i was sort of one of the right but i was i was sort of one of the right but i was i was sort of one of the first people in there sort of talking first people in there sort of talking first people in there sort of talking about the about the about the the benefits of this method um and the benefits of this method um and the benefits of this method um and uh and since then he's grown into sort uh and since then he's grown into sort uh and since then he's grown into sort of a global superstar of a global superstar of a global superstar and it's interesting though i i sort of and it's interesting though i i sort of and it's interesting though i i sort of need to put this out there now so need to put this out there now so need to put this out there now so i wrote what doesn't kill us it came out i wrote what doesn't kill us it came out i wrote what doesn't kill us it came out in 2017.
28:00in 2017. in 2017. uh and uh uh and uh uh and uh and wim was already getting to the point and wim was already getting to the point and wim was already getting to the point of sort of like global super stardom of sort of like global super stardom of sort of like global super stardom at that at that point and i think at that at that point and i think at that at that point and i think one of the messages in in what doesn't one of the messages in in what doesn't one of the messages in in what doesn't kill us which i kill us which i kill us which i i think comes out pretty well is that i think comes out pretty well is that i think comes out pretty well is that whim whim whim is a madman right he is crazy is a madman right he is crazy is a madman right he is crazy uh and and way out there and he does uh and and way out there and he does uh and and way out there and he does things that are irresponsible and things that are irresponsible and things that are irresponsible and nonsense nonsense nonsense all the time at the same time as that all the time at the same time as that all the time at the same time as that he's also a prophet like he's also a prophet like he's also a prophet like he has shown this door to something in he has shown this door to something in he has shown this door to something in your body that you can really take your body that you can really take your body that you can really take something something something valuable away from so you know this valuable away from so you know this valuable away from so you know this madman profit duality is like sort of madman profit duality is like sort of madman profit duality is like sort of central to what doesn't kill us central to what doesn't kill us central to what doesn't kill us but i want to raise this point is that but i want to raise this point is that but i want to raise this point is that since this book came out since this book came out since this book came out since whim has sort of like you know since whim has sort of like you know since whim has sort of like you know sort of been on all the podcasts and sort of been on all the podcasts and sort of been on all the podcasts and sort of sort of sort of become more and more famous he's on you become more and more famous he's on you become more and more famous he's on you know netflix shows with gwyneth paltrow know netflix shows with gwyneth paltrow know netflix shows with gwyneth paltrow and whatnot uh and whatnot uh and whatnot uh i think a lot of people are looking at
29:00i think a lot of people are looking at i think a lot of people are looking at it as a prophet it as a prophet it as a prophet right without that madman duality and i right without that madman duality and i right without that madman duality and i think that's actually think that's actually think that's actually dangerous and i think it's really bad dangerous and i think it's really bad dangerous and i think it's really bad for whim as a person for whim as a person for whim as a person too because he's getting isolated and too because he's getting isolated and too because he's getting isolated and people now sort of take his people now sort of take his people now sort of take his word as gospel and you know he's still a word as gospel and you know he's still a word as gospel and you know he's still a madman madman madman right if you followed everything that right if you followed everything that right if you followed everything that wim said you're definitely gonna die wim said you're definitely gonna die wim said you're definitely gonna die right there's no doubt right right yeah right there's no doubt right right yeah right there's no doubt right right yeah a couple quick things to interject on a couple quick things to interject on a couple quick things to interject on that and i agree like that and i agree like that and i agree like it's i think he's um he's taken a little it's i think he's um he's taken a little it's i think he's um he's taken a little back seat to the breathe [ __ ] back seat to the breathe [ __ ] back seat to the breathe [ __ ] line you know he's he's had to soften line you know he's he's had to soften line you know he's he's had to soften his thing a little bit um his thing a little bit um his thing a little bit um and and that was you know that line that and and that was you know that line that and and that was you know that line that he would use was really a spirit of his he would use was really a spirit of his he would use was really a spirit of his of his madmanship of of his madmanship of of his madmanship of unpretentious uh free-spirited unpretentious uh free-spirited unpretentious uh free-spirited um i'm not out to be the prophet uh um i'm not out to be the prophet uh um i'm not out to be the prophet uh [ __ ] just breed right so he's [ __ ] just breed right so he's [ __ ] just breed right so he's he's he's he's unfortunate you know he's he's had to do unfortunate you know he's he's had to do unfortunate you know he's he's had to do this he's had to conform a little bit this he's had to conform a little bit this he's had to conform a little bit um but his message is still so true and um but his message is still so true and um but his message is still so true and the breathing works so great the breathing works so great the breathing works so great now one more bit on the madman and i was
30:00now one more bit on the madman and i was now one more bit on the madman and i was literally laughing last night in bed and literally laughing last night in bed and literally laughing last night in bed and my wife turns to me julie she said my wife turns to me julie she said my wife turns to me julie she said what's so funny what's so funny i what's so funny what's so funny i what's so funny what's so funny i couldn't get her started but couldn't get her started but couldn't get her started but but i i was i was revisiting what but i i was i was revisiting what but i i was i was revisiting what doesn't kill us and doesn't kill us and doesn't kill us and and i would love for you to take us back and i would love for you to take us back and i would love for you to take us back to the hike in mount kilimanjaro and i to the hike in mount kilimanjaro and i to the hike in mount kilimanjaro and i and damn it if i can't find it but the and damn it if i can't find it but the and damn it if i can't find it but the page i wanted to page i wanted to page i wanted to almost read it or have you read it but almost read it or have you read it but almost read it or have you read it but you you it was exactly what you were you you it was exactly what you were you you it was exactly what you were saying where saying where saying where um it was like the final hurrah and um it was like the final hurrah and um it was like the final hurrah and you're like sitting there it's like you're like sitting there it's like you're like sitting there it's like should i stay back and then goes should i stay back and then goes should i stay back and then goes goes darting off and then there you are goes darting off and then there you are goes darting off and then there you are and he says and he says and he says you're saying to yourself what am i you're saying to yourself what am i you're saying to yourself what am i doing following the steps of this madman doing following the steps of this madman doing following the steps of this madman right yeah yeah well i mean that that's right yeah yeah well i mean that that's right yeah yeah well i mean that that's basically the plot here is you know basically the plot here is you know basically the plot here is you know we're climbing up mount kilimanjaro the we're climbing up mount kilimanjaro the we're climbing up mount kilimanjaro the idea is to do it idea is to do it idea is to do it fast right and you know i'm in basically fast right and you know i'm in basically fast right and you know i'm in basically a bathing suit this time wim a bathing suit this time wim a bathing suit this time wim is like a t-shirt and he has like a is like a t-shirt and he has like a is like a t-shirt and he has like a blanket over his back um and like bird blanket over his back um and like bird blanket over his back um and like bird shorts as they recall shorts as they recall shorts as they recall right shoes um these are all floating right shoes um these are all floating right shoes um these are all floating into my brain right now and into my brain right now and into my brain right now and he uh he basically uh
31:00he uh he basically uh he uh he basically uh a lot of people said it is dangerous a lot of people said it is dangerous a lot of people said it is dangerous right it's dangerous to go as fast as we right it's dangerous to go as fast as we right it's dangerous to go as fast as we as we were doing and and because of as we were doing and and because of as we were doing and and because of altitude sickness and so we're using altitude sickness and so we're using altitude sickness and so we're using this breathing method to this breathing method to this breathing method to to you know sort of counteract uh the to you know sort of counteract uh the to you know sort of counteract uh the dangers of altitude sickness and you dangers of altitude sickness and you dangers of altitude sickness and you know we we've made it up to the final know we we've made it up to the final know we we've made it up to the final ascent i think we're at a place called ascent i think we're at a place called ascent i think we're at a place called kibo kibo kibo hut and we're going to go and then and hut and we're going to go and then and hut and we're going to go and then and then it's like then it's like then it's like you you've sort of gone off this like you you've sort of gone off this like you you've sort of gone off this like sort of mild incline and then you get to sort of mild incline and then you get to sort of mild incline and then you get to kibo and it's like boom you're going kibo and it's like boom you're going kibo and it's like boom you're going right up the cone right up the cone right up the cone volcano at that point and it's like you volcano at that point and it's like you volcano at that point and it's like you go from like go from like go from like sort of like dirt and planes and sort of sort of like dirt and planes and sort of sort of like dirt and planes and sort of like like loose and like sort of tight volcanic loose and like sort of tight volcanic loose and like sort of tight volcanic soil so basically you're climbing up soil so basically you're climbing up soil so basically you're climbing up rubble um for a long ways i don't know rubble um for a long ways i don't know rubble um for a long ways i don't know exactly how long but it's like straight exactly how long but it's like straight exactly how long but it's like straight up rubble up rubble up rubble and wim is looking at his watch he's and wim is looking at his watch he's and wim is looking at his watch he's like oh we got to get there before 30 like oh we got to get there before 30 like oh we got to get there before 30 hours is over we got to beat the record hours is over we got to beat the record hours is over we got to beat the record but i'm not even sure what record he's but i'm not even sure what record he's but i'm not even sure what record he's talking about but he's like there's a talking about but he's like there's a talking about but he's like there's a record we got to beat it so record we got to beat it so record we got to beat it so and um and he makes us skip
32:00and um and he makes us skip and um and he makes us skip lunch which you have to understand like lunch which you have to understand like lunch which you have to understand like it's not just like you skip lunch today it's not just like you skip lunch today it's not just like you skip lunch today like like it's like you're skipping the fuel it's like you're skipping the fuel it's like you're skipping the fuel you're not gassing up your car in the you're not gassing up your car in the you're not gassing up your car in the race race race and you're you're doing it a place where and you're you're doing it a place where and you're you're doing it a place where if you fell unconscious right or if you if you fell unconscious right or if you if you fell unconscious right or if you if you if you if you if you bonked out um you're gonna die if you bonked out um you're gonna die if you bonked out um you're gonna die of altitude sickness like this is a of altitude sickness like this is a of altitude sickness like this is a dangerous thing to skip lunch dangerous thing to skip lunch dangerous thing to skip lunch on the final ascent and that's that no on the final ascent and that's that no on the final ascent and that's that no we're doing it at that moment you said we're doing it at that moment you said we're doing it at that moment you said he turns bright red or something like he turns bright red or something like he turns bright red or something like that that when he makes this decision okay we're when he makes this decision okay we're when he makes this decision okay we're gonna go now gonna go now gonna go now he gets all like hungry angry yeah he he gets all like hungry angry yeah he he gets all like hungry angry yeah he gets fired angry gets fired angry gets fired angry he's calling people you know names like he's calling people you know names like he's calling people you know names like the worst parts of his personality sort the worst parts of his personality sort the worst parts of his personality sort of come out and and he goes up and i of come out and and he goes up and i of come out and and he goes up and i think think think some you know like one or two people some you know like one or two people some you know like one or two people follow him right follow him right follow him right and and like our guides are like no you and and like our guides are like no you and and like our guides are like no you can't go you're gonna die like this is can't go you're gonna die like this is can't go you're gonna die like this is dangerous and these are the guys who dangerous and these are the guys who dangerous and these are the guys who climb up there all the time and climb up there all the time and climb up there all the time and and so there's this mutiny and the and so there's this mutiny and the and so there's this mutiny and the entire group entire group entire group more or less stays behind we're like more or less stays behind we're like more or less stays behind we're like 20ish people i'm like no let's just
33:0020ish people i'm like no let's just 20ish people i'm like no let's just let's finish lunch and we'll go and he's let's finish lunch and we'll go and he's let's finish lunch and we'll go and he's going up and i'm like oh man i got a going up and i'm like oh man i got a going up and i'm like oh man i got a book to write and i'm looking to walk up book to write and i'm looking to walk up book to write and i'm looking to walk up the mountain i'm like the mountain i'm like the mountain i'm like [ __ ] all right i'll follow him and i'm [ __ ] all right i'll follow him and i'm [ __ ] all right i'll follow him and i'm but i'm pissed right and so i like i put but i'm pissed right and so i like i put but i'm pissed right and so i like i put on all of my clothes like like i've been on all of my clothes like like i've been on all of my clothes like like i've been basically bare chested this whole time basically bare chested this whole time basically bare chested this whole time but then i like pile on like i look like but then i like pile on like i look like but then i like pile on like i look like the state puff marshall man i've got the state puff marshall man i've got the state puff marshall man i've got like the like the like the puffy on and i put my wind pants on and puffy on and i put my wind pants on and puffy on and i put my wind pants on and i follow him i follow him i follow him and like and we have this fight because and like and we have this fight because and like and we have this fight because he's yelling down and he's like scott he's yelling down and he's like scott he's yelling down and he's like scott don't you don't you don't you you know what was it like don't you you know what was it like don't you you know what was it like don't you challenge me and i'm like challenge me and i'm like challenge me and i'm like whim you're an idiot you know yeah right whim you're an idiot you know yeah right whim you're an idiot you know yeah right and we go up and eventually it's me and we go up and eventually it's me and we go up and eventually it's me one other dude and whim and we're up one other dude and whim and we're up one other dude and whim and we're up we're going up the mountain we're going up the mountain we're going up the mountain and i'm sort of angry and wim is angry and i'm sort of angry and wim is angry and i'm sort of angry and wim is angry and and the other guy is like the other guy's the other guy is like the other guy's the other guy is like the other guy's like a true believer he's like i will like a true believer he's like i will like a true believer he's like i will follow him anywhere follow him anywhere follow him anywhere which is also scary in its own way we're which is also scary in its own way we're which is also scary in its own way we're going up the mountain going up the mountain going up the mountain and uh and and uh and and uh and i see him slip right this is the this is i see him slip right this is the this is i see him slip right this is the this is like the moment where i'm seeing like
34:00like the moment where i'm seeing like like the moment where i'm seeing like you know wim is this guy that i've been you know wim is this guy that i've been you know wim is this guy that i've been following for a long time following for a long time following for a long time i really respect him i like i i'm also a i really respect him i like i i'm also a i really respect him i like i i'm also a little skeptical of him little skeptical of him little skeptical of him but i see him slip and i'm like wait a but i see him slip and i'm like wait a but i see him slip and i'm like wait a minute this guy is just as fallible as minute this guy is just as fallible as minute this guy is just as fallible as all of us and like he's not all of us and like he's not all of us and like he's not a man who can who has no limits in a man who can who has no limits in a man who can who has no limits in nature which i knew intellectually but nature which i knew intellectually but nature which i knew intellectually but here's here's here's sort of this tangible moment in front of sort of this tangible moment in front of sort of this tangible moment in front of me and i'm like me and i'm like me and i'm like so what the [ __ ] am i doing and and i so what the [ __ ] am i doing and and i so what the [ __ ] am i doing and and i realized that the reason i'm on this realized that the reason i'm on this realized that the reason i'm on this mountain the reason i'm doing this mountain the reason i'm doing this mountain the reason i'm doing this challenge challenge challenge is not really about wham whim opened the is not really about wham whim opened the is not really about wham whim opened the door but it's about door but it's about door but it's about my climbing the mountain for me right my climbing the mountain for me right my climbing the mountain for me right and for women it should be about him and and for women it should be about him and and for women it should be about him and and and the dentist the guy with is for and and the dentist the guy with is for and and the dentist the guy with is for him him him and it's all our own journeys and it's and it's all our own journeys and it's and it's all our own journeys and it's really about our relationship with the really about our relationship with the really about our relationship with the environment it's not the relationship environment it's not the relationship environment it's not the relationship with whim with whim with whim and i guess a more rational person would and i guess a more rational person would and i guess a more rational person would have been like all right you can go up have been like all right you can go up have been like all right you can go up and i'll just walk up in my own time but and i'll just walk up in my own time but and i'll just walk up in my own time but i didn't do that i stayed with him i didn't do that i stayed with him i didn't do that i stayed with him and i took off my shirt i couldn't get and i took off my shirt i couldn't get and i took off my shirt i couldn't get the wind pants off because the hiking the wind pants off because the hiking the wind pants off because the hiking boots were boots were boots were sort of too thick and whatever but and sort of too thick and whatever but and sort of too thick and whatever but and then i felt like okay this is my journey then i felt like okay this is my journey then i felt like okay this is my journey and i have limits and
35:00and i have limits and and i have limits and i know where my limits are and you know i know where my limits are and you know i know where my limits are and you know i you know there's places where i'm sort i you know there's places where i'm sort i you know there's places where i'm sort of falling down of falling down of falling down and and whatnot but but but and and whatnot but but but and and whatnot but but but there was this connection i had where it there was this connection i had where it there was this connection i had where it was with the environment it was about was with the environment it was about was with the environment it was about the the the conversation that i was having with the conversation that i was having with the conversation that i was having with that that wind on my skin it was a conversation i wind on my skin it was a conversation i wind on my skin it was a conversation i was having with that sensation of cold was having with that sensation of cold was having with that sensation of cold on my skin and it wasn't about thinking on my skin and it wasn't about thinking on my skin and it wasn't about thinking about the about the ideology of the wim hof method or ideology of the wim hof method or ideology of the wim hof method or anything it was about the anything it was about the anything it was about the the the language that i'm having with the the language that i'm having with the the language that i'm having with the environment the environment the environment and and this is where the wedge is and and this is where the wedge is and and this is where the wedge is really really important i was like really really important i was like really really important i was like i get to navigate that right i get to i get to navigate that right i get to i get to navigate that right i get to navigate my own sensations it's not navigate my own sensations it's not navigate my own sensations it's not someone else telling me someone else telling me someone else telling me how to navigate my sensations it's me how to navigate my sensations it's me how to navigate my sensations it's me and this is the core of the wedge and this is the core of the wedge and this is the core of the wedge this is the core of the book is because this is the core of the book is because this is the core of the book is because all sensation by definition all sensation by definition all sensation by definition is subjective right and the only is subjective right and the only is subjective right and the only objective thing to consciousness objective thing to consciousness objective thing to consciousness is that everyone has their own is that everyone has their own is that everyone has their own consciousness consciousness consciousness and it's it's a totally subjective
36:00and it's it's a totally subjective and it's it's a totally subjective experience and yet it's interdependent experience and yet it's interdependent experience and yet it's interdependent like my consciousness like my consciousness like my consciousness depends on my conversations with you and depends on my conversations with you and depends on my conversations with you and my you know education and my mother and my you know education and my mother and my you know education and my mother and my dad my dad my dad and my family and all that stuff like and my family and all that stuff like and my family and all that stuff like all of that impacts the consciousness all of that impacts the consciousness all of that impacts the consciousness but the sensations are but the sensations are but the sensations are the subjective feeling and those the subjective feeling and those the subjective feeling and those subjective feelings actually subjective feelings actually subjective feelings actually change the way our biologies work so you change the way our biologies work so you change the way our biologies work so you know in know in know in in the wedge i'm putting myself in in the wedge i'm putting myself in in the wedge i'm putting myself in different stimuli that are very hard different stimuli that are very hard different stimuli that are very hard usually that i'm controlling myself in usually that i'm controlling myself in usually that i'm controlling myself in that stimuli that stimuli that stimuli and and it makes and i find that i'm and and it makes and i find that i'm and and it makes and i find that i'm quite resilient in different things quite resilient in different things quite resilient in different things but the book is also not a recipe but the book is also not a recipe but the book is also not a recipe like you do these 10 wedges and you're like you do these 10 wedges and you're like you do these 10 wedges and you're going to be awesome going to be awesome going to be awesome like scott's awesome i'm not that like scott's awesome i'm not that like scott's awesome i'm not that awesome but like you know you you become awesome but like you know you you become awesome but like you know you you become this awesome person that's not what it this awesome person that's not what it this awesome person that's not what it is it's to say look is it's to say look is it's to say look you respond in stress in different ways you respond in stress in different ways you respond in stress in different ways and the stresses that you and the stresses that you and the stresses that you need might be different than the need might be different than the need might be different than the stresses that i need the ones that call stresses that i need the ones that call stresses that i need the ones that call to you might be different than to you might be different than to you might be different than called me and that's a-okay go called me and that's a-okay go called me and that's a-okay go find your own wedges but all but but but find your own wedges but all but but but find your own wedges but all but but but be conscious that you need to push be conscious that you need to push be conscious that you need to push you need to find the things where you
37:00you need to find the things where you you need to find the things where you where where that are where where that are where where that are difficult so you push up against them difficult so you push up against them difficult so you push up against them and and touch them and play with them and and touch them and play with them and and touch them and play with them and use that to become even and use that to become even and use that to become even better there's another element to you better there's another element to you better there's another element to you in these moments also as a journalist in these moments also as a journalist in these moments also as a journalist and i and i and i just wanted you to share with listeners just wanted you to share with listeners just wanted you to share with listeners um how you do this like when for example um how you do this like when for example um how you do this like when for example back to kilimanjaro when you go chasing back to kilimanjaro when you go chasing back to kilimanjaro when you go chasing after whim after whim after whim under this extreme stress uh and and under this extreme stress uh and and under this extreme stress uh and and um let's just back up on that just to to um let's just back up on that just to to um let's just back up on that just to to let us let us know it's it's really let us let us know it's it's really let us let us know it's it's really you're doing the wim hof you're doing the wim hof you're doing the wim hof method you're doing like 30 breaths method you're doing like 30 breaths method you're doing like 30 breaths you're tricking this altitude problem you're tricking this altitude problem you're tricking this altitude problem um by a ton of wim hof breathing to get um by a ton of wim hof breathing to get um by a ton of wim hof breathing to get you through you through you through um and that's where all the guides are um and that's where all the guides are um and that's where all the guides are saying this is impossible saying this is impossible saying this is impossible and don't do it right and so you have and don't do it right and so you have and don't do it right and so you have this in your this on your mind you have this in your this on your mind you have this in your this on your mind you have to be consciously to be consciously to be consciously deep breathing you're in a very deep breathing you're in a very deep breathing you're in a very stressful stressful stressful spot where you're hiking up the tallest spot where you're hiking up the tallest spot where you're hiking up the tallest mountain
38:00mountain mountain in africa on top of all that unlike in africa on top of all that unlike in africa on top of all that unlike these other 20 people that you were on these other 20 people that you were on these other 20 people that you were on this journey with this journey with this journey with you have to remember all this stuff and you have to remember all this stuff and you have to remember all this stuff and and you know i and you know i and you know i again i have to pander to you because again i have to pander to you because again i have to pander to you because it's just so well written the story of it's just so well written the story of it's just so well written the story of you you you chasing after women the whole chasing after women the whole chasing after women the whole kilimanjaro element is just so well kilimanjaro element is just so well kilimanjaro element is just so well written written written how do you do that how do you layer on how do you do that how do you layer on how do you do that how do you layer on top of all of this stress top of all of this stress top of all of this stress in in on your body uh which is affecting in in on your body uh which is affecting in in on your body uh which is affecting your mind your mind your mind how do you put yourself in a place to how do you put yourself in a place to how do you put yourself in a place to remember remember remember uh what you've experienced so that you uh what you've experienced so that you uh what you've experienced so that you could put it down on paper could put it down on paper could put it down on paper i mean i've been a journalist for 10 i mean i've been a journalist for 10 i mean i've been a journalist for 10 years so there's so there's an element years so there's so there's an element years so there's so there's an element of observing as you're going up of observing as you're going up of observing as you're going up uh as i recall uh when i was going up uh as i recall uh when i was going up uh as i recall uh when i was going up i journaled a little bit i think i have i journaled a little bit i think i have i journaled a little bit i think i have put the journal right next to me put the journal right next to me put the journal right next to me over here um i think i took some basic over here um i think i took some basic over here um i think i took some basic notes notes notes like remember this one line one line like remember this one line one line like remember this one line one line like like whim slips or whatever right right and whim slips or whatever right right and whim slips or whatever right right and you know it was not like super detailed you know it was not like super detailed you know it was not like super detailed at that point but then at that point but then at that point but then um with that chapter uh basically i came
39:00um with that chapter uh basically i came um with that chapter uh basically i came down the mountain and we were in down the mountain and we were in down the mountain and we were in some um hotel i don't remember what it some um hotel i don't remember what it some um hotel i don't remember what it was called was called was called uh and you know while everyone else was uh and you know while everyone else was uh and you know while everyone else was i think they went on a safari there were i think they went on a safari there were i think they went on a safari there were 20 people in the group i think they 20 people in the group i think they 20 people in the group i think they saw elephants and rhinos and stuff which saw elephants and rhinos and stuff which saw elephants and rhinos and stuff which would have been cool but instead i just would have been cool but instead i just would have been cool but instead i just sat down and sat down and sat down and that whole chapter i wrote in probably that whole chapter i wrote in probably that whole chapter i wrote in probably eight hours and it's like 30 page eight hours and it's like 30 page eight hours and it's like 30 page chapter chapter chapter because i just was like i'm going to because i just was like i'm going to because i just was like i'm going to write this right now i'm going to write write this right now i'm going to write write this right now i'm going to write it chronologically i'm just going to go it chronologically i'm just going to go it chronologically i'm just going to go a b to c we're going to do the whole a b to c we're going to do the whole a b to c we're going to do the whole thing really quickly because if you thing really quickly because if you thing really quickly because if you don't get that the don't get that the don't get that the details will slip um you know you details will slip um you know you details will slip um you know you and you know my writing is a weird and you know my writing is a weird and you know my writing is a weird process like i don't even know process like i don't even know process like i don't even know like sometimes i know i have like a like sometimes i know i have like a like sometimes i know i have like a system i'll do 500 words a day system i'll do 500 words a day system i'll do 500 words a day but sometimes you just sort of vomit it but sometimes you just sort of vomit it but sometimes you just sort of vomit it out on the page and it's perfect out on the page and it's perfect out on the page and it's perfect you're like okay i didn't have to edit you're like okay i didn't have to edit you're like okay i didn't have to edit that it just is right there and the wim that it just is right there and the wim that it just is right there and the wim hof that final chapter was just sort of hof that final chapter was just sort of hof that final chapter was just sort of like like the vomit onto the page and uh and it the vomit onto the page and uh and it the vomit onto the page and uh and it appeared you're like cool there it is appeared you're like cool there it is appeared you're like cool there it is all right send that out to the princess all right send that out to the princess all right send that out to the princess right right and what a great way to right right and what a great way to right right and what a great way to finish the book
40:00finish the book finish the book because it was the culmination of of because it was the culmination of of because it was the culmination of of that relationship at the time that relationship at the time that relationship at the time yeah and it's actually the same way for yeah and it's actually the same way for yeah and it's actually the same way for the last chapter and the wedge too the last chapter and the wedge too the last chapter and the wedge too where you know i'm also building and you where you know i'm also building and you where you know i'm also building and you know there's also this narrative idea know there's also this narrative idea know there's also this narrative idea that you need to have you need to have that you need to have you need to have that you need to have you need to have an an an arc in your book you're like you start arc in your book you're like you start arc in your book you're like you start off one place and you end up in another off one place and you end up in another off one place and you end up in another and so a bit having a big challenge at and so a bit having a big challenge at and so a bit having a big challenge at the end of a book is a smart idea from a the end of a book is a smart idea from a the end of a book is a smart idea from a narrative perspective narrative perspective narrative perspective right because the reader's like well right because the reader's like well right because the reader's like well where are we going now if i started with where are we going now if i started with where are we going now if i started with kilimanjaro they're like i don't know kilimanjaro they're like i don't know kilimanjaro they're like i don't know yeah right right well you tease them yeah right right well you tease them yeah right right well you tease them with the kilimanjaro and then with the kilimanjaro and then with the kilimanjaro and then to be to be blunt i i had forgotten i to be to be blunt i i had forgotten i to be to be blunt i i had forgotten i was like wait a minute i didn't get to was like wait a minute i didn't get to was like wait a minute i didn't get to the really the really the really the candy like we're and then i oh and the candy like we're and then i oh and the candy like we're and then i oh and the candies at the end now i get to the candies at the end now i get to the candies at the end now i get to go go with scott carney up up the go go with scott carney up up the go go with scott carney up up the mountain with wim mountain with wim mountain with wim um yeah yeah so let's get over to the um yeah yeah so let's get over to the um yeah yeah so let's get over to the wedge and and wedge and and wedge and and spirit of your time and folks listening spirit of your time and folks listening spirit of your time and folks listening to this episode of sonic talk to this episode of sonic talk to this episode of sonic talk um i i want to just nerd out with you on um i i want to just nerd out with you on um i i want to just nerd out with you on three three three three areas uh three three excerpts from three areas uh three three excerpts from three areas uh three three excerpts from the book the book the book if we can do that on page 179 um you
41:00if we can do that on page 179 um you if we can do that on page 179 um you you speak about the metaphor of wolves you speak about the metaphor of wolves you speak about the metaphor of wolves patrolling the area inside our bodies patrolling the area inside our bodies patrolling the area inside our bodies can you touch upon that i found that can you touch upon that i found that can you touch upon that i found that sure yeah sure yeah sure yeah so i'm talking about the immune system so i'm talking about the immune system so i'm talking about the immune system here because there is a really amazing here because there is a really amazing here because there is a really amazing immune benefit to things like the wemos immune benefit to things like the wemos immune benefit to things like the wemos method to things like saunas and method to things like saunas and method to things like saunas and and anything that you're putting and anything that you're putting and anything that you're putting yourself under stress um yourself under stress um yourself under stress um which is if you think about the immune which is if you think about the immune which is if you think about the immune system as um system as um system as um metaphorically as wolves that are metaphorically as wolves that are metaphorically as wolves that are working for you right because they're working for you right because they're working for you right because they're they're you have these various cells they're you have these various cells they're you have these various cells macrophages neutrophils whatever but macrophages neutrophils whatever but macrophages neutrophils whatever but they're basically their job they're basically their job they're basically their job is to run around and look for the things is to run around and look for the things is to run around and look for the things that are attacking you viruses bacteria that are attacking you viruses bacteria that are attacking you viruses bacteria you know cancer cells things that are you know cancer cells things that are you know cancer cells things that are like off and then they go eat them like off and then they go eat them like off and then they go eat them macrophage actually literally means big macrophage actually literally means big macrophage actually literally means big eater in uh eater in uh eater in uh greek in greek latin i don't know greek in greek latin i don't know greek in greek latin i don't know oh no i don't know i think it's probably oh no i don't know i think it's probably oh no i don't know i think it's probably latin um so it eats latin um so it eats latin um so it eats you know it's the big eater it goes and you know it's the big eater it goes and you know it's the big eater it goes and eats the bad things and so these are eats the bad things and so these are eats the bad things and so these are this is these are they're
42:00this is these are they're this is these are they're billion millions there's millions of billion millions there's millions of billion millions there's millions of them they're running around your body them they're running around your body them they're running around your body and uh and the problem and uh and the problem and uh and the problem in one of one of the problems in the in one of one of the problems in the in one of one of the problems in the modern world is that we have seen a modern world is that we have seen a modern world is that we have seen a crazy increase in autoimmune illnesses crazy increase in autoimmune illnesses crazy increase in autoimmune illnesses right where you're basically your immune right where you're basically your immune right where you're basically your immune cells these wolves cells these wolves cells these wolves are not eating the bacterias and the are not eating the bacterias and the are not eating the bacterias and the viruses or maybe they're they're viruses or maybe they're they're viruses or maybe they're they're finished the bacterias and the viruses finished the bacterias and the viruses finished the bacterias and the viruses and they're eating you and they're eating you and they're eating you instead and that's essentially in my instead and that's essentially in my instead and that's essentially in my very metaphorical way very metaphorical way very metaphorical way is what an autoimmune illness is whether is what an autoimmune illness is whether is what an autoimmune illness is whether it's i used to get canker sores which it's i used to get canker sores which it's i used to get canker sores which are just sort of mouth ulcers big white are just sort of mouth ulcers big white are just sort of mouth ulcers big white painful ulcers painful ulcers painful ulcers um crohn's disease which is basically um crohn's disease which is basically um crohn's disease which is basically kicker sores in your intestines but kicker sores in your intestines but kicker sores in your intestines but worse worse worse uh lupus arthritis you know you name it uh lupus arthritis you know you name it uh lupus arthritis you know you name it autoimmune illnesses are autoimmune illnesses are autoimmune illnesses are are booming right now and it's really are booming right now and it's really are booming right now and it's really probably the first time in a history probably the first time in a history probably the first time in a history that is that is that is such an epidemic level of autoimmunity such an epidemic level of autoimmunity such an epidemic level of autoimmunity issues issues issues one of the reasons for this is a very one of the reasons for this is a very one of the reasons for this is a very clean environment we live very clean environment we live very clean environment we live very hygienically hygienically hygienically and so those wolves don't have as much
43:00and so those wolves don't have as much and so those wolves don't have as much stuff stuff stuff to eat right so what happens when wolves to eat right so what happens when wolves to eat right so what happens when wolves are around there running are around there running are around there running you know you know without things to eat you know you know without things to eat you know you know without things to eat they get bored and they start chewing on they get bored and they start chewing on they get bored and they start chewing on you you the other issue is that um the other issue is that um the other issue is that um we when we stress out about the world we when we stress out about the world we when we stress out about the world right right right when we when we you know think about our when we when we you know think about our when we when we you know think about our 401k is declining when we think about 401k is declining when we think about 401k is declining when we think about the the the the social pressures of the covent the the social pressures of the covent the the social pressures of the covent quarantine or quarantine or quarantine or whatever we have these existential whatever we have these existential whatever we have these existential problems that we stress out about and problems that we stress out about and problems that we stress out about and what stress what stress what stress it is what we evolved to do is to dump it is what we evolved to do is to dump it is what we evolved to do is to dump stress hormones to direct physical stress hormones to direct physical stress hormones to direct physical threats threats threats a wolf is charging it yes let's use a a wolf is charging it yes let's use a a wolf is charging it yes let's use a wolf a lion is charging you on the wolf a lion is charging you on the wolf a lion is charging you on the plains of africa plains of africa plains of africa you grab your spear you dump adrenaline you grab your spear you dump adrenaline you grab your spear you dump adrenaline for energy you dump for energy you dump for energy you dump cortisol for to lower your pain cortisol for to lower your pain cortisol for to lower your pain threshold and you either run threshold and you either run threshold and you either run or stab that line and survive you know or stab that line and survive you know or stab that line and survive you know that this is this is what we do that this is this is what we do that this is this is what we do but in the modern world we're using that but in the modern world we're using that but in the modern world we're using that same archaic same archaic same archaic system to deal with you know covid
44:00system to deal with you know covid system to deal with you know covid and so we dump adrenaline drum cortisol and so we dump adrenaline drum cortisol and so we dump adrenaline drum cortisol but we don't have a physical but we don't have a physical but we don't have a physical output and we can't stab that line we've output and we can't stab that line we've output and we can't stab that line we've not we're not doing any not we're not doing any not we're not doing any that energy but all of our cells which that energy but all of our cells which that energy but all of our cells which are now bathed in adrenaline which are are now bathed in adrenaline which are are now bathed in adrenaline which are bathed in bathed in bathed in in uh cortisol and whatnot are in uh cortisol and whatnot are in uh cortisol and whatnot are responding to that responding to that responding to that and and so you you just hopped up these and and so you you just hopped up these and and so you you just hopped up these wolves wolves wolves macrophages on adrenaline and they're macrophages on adrenaline and they're macrophages on adrenaline and they're going to start eating things they're going to start eating things they're going to start eating things they're going to start eating you because you're going to start eating you because you're going to start eating you because you're not giving them anything else to do not giving them anything else to do not giving them anything else to do so what i'm saying is that things like so what i'm saying is that things like so what i'm saying is that things like saunas things things like the saunas things things like the saunas things things like the wim hof method various things i do in my wim hof method various things i do in my wim hof method various things i do in my book it's like book it's like book it's like giving wolves chew toys it's it's just giving wolves chew toys it's it's just giving wolves chew toys it's it's just something for them to do something for them to do something for them to do you know it's it's okay you're stressing you know it's it's okay you're stressing you know it's it's okay you're stressing out about covid now jump in your sauna out about covid now jump in your sauna out about covid now jump in your sauna and now you have a physical response and now you have a physical response and now you have a physical response that that sort of placates that that sort of placates that that sort of placates this this this pack of wolves in your this this this pack of wolves in your this this this pack of wolves in your body beautiful body beautiful body beautiful thank you page 150 thank you page 150 thank you page 150 you talk about a gentle seesaw between you talk about a gentle seesaw between you talk about a gentle seesaw between hot and cold hot and cold hot and cold it exercises the auto atomic process
45:00it exercises the auto atomic process it exercises the auto atomic process it creates an overall resilience it creates an overall resilience it creates an overall resilience um so i i think what i'm talking about um so i i think what i'm talking about um so i i think what i'm talking about here is contrast here is contrast here is contrast right is that is that going from hot to right is that is that going from hot to right is that is that going from hot to cold triggers things in your body cold triggers things in your body cold triggers things in your body autonomically that you don't really have autonomically that you don't really have autonomically that you don't really have conscious control over like conscious control over like conscious control over like you know we have this your your arterial you know we have this your your arterial you know we have this your your arterial system has muscles system has muscles system has muscles in it for instance right if you look at in it for instance right if you look at in it for instance right if you look at your hand if you put your hand in ice your hand if you put your hand in ice your hand if you put your hand in ice water water your hand will get white because the your hand will get white because the your hand will get white because the muscles in your arteries muscles in your arteries muscles in your arteries have contracted and are shunting blood have contracted and are shunting blood have contracted and are shunting blood to your core to your core to your core and this is a survival mechanism that we and this is a survival mechanism that we and this is a survival mechanism that we all have right and all have right and all have right and the only way to trigger that really you the only way to trigger that really you the only way to trigger that really you know there might be some meditative way know there might be some meditative way know there might be some meditative way that you can think at close but really that you can think at close but really that you can think at close but really the only way to do it is to throw the only way to do it is to throw the only way to do it is to throw your hand into cold water and watch that your hand into cold water and watch that your hand into cold water and watch that that thing occurred now when we live in that thing occurred now when we live in that thing occurred now when we live in an an environment where we are generally environment where we are generally environment where we are generally static at 72 degrees static at 72 degrees static at 72 degrees summer or winter right we don't have summer or winter right we don't have summer or winter right we don't have that dynamism in our extremities in our
46:00that dynamism in our extremities in our that dynamism in our extremities in our arterial system arterial system arterial system so what environmental conditioning does so what environmental conditioning does so what environmental conditioning does is it's basically like lifting weights is it's basically like lifting weights is it's basically like lifting weights for your vascular system for your vascular system for your vascular system right you go you go to hot and you right you go you go to hot and you right you go you go to hot and you vasodilate which means you relax vasodilate which means you relax vasodilate which means you relax means those muscles relax you jump into means those muscles relax you jump into means those muscles relax you jump into cold you vasoconstrict which means they cold you vasoconstrict which means they cold you vasoconstrict which means they all all all flex and that makes your arterial system flex and that makes your arterial system flex and that makes your arterial system stronger because it's it's stronger because it's it's stronger because it's it's just you know moving the stuff that you just you know moving the stuff that you just you know moving the stuff that you can't do in the gym can't do in the gym can't do in the gym right you could have a guy with a right you could have a guy with a right you could have a guy with a six-pack and like six-pack and like six-pack and like really big muscles and whatever but if really big muscles and whatever but if really big muscles and whatever but if he only exercises he only exercises he only exercises in uh in in heated gyms and ways where in uh in in heated gyms and ways where in uh in in heated gyms and ways where he's always comfortable or she's always he's always comfortable or she's always he's always comfortable or she's always comfortable comfortable comfortable that arterial system never gets exercise that arterial system never gets exercise that arterial system never gets exercise beautiful beautiful number three um beautiful beautiful number three um beautiful beautiful number three um page 161 the wedge page 161 the wedge page 161 the wedge is our ability to surf that sensation is our ability to surf that sensation is our ability to surf that sensation redirect our attention away from redirect our attention away from redirect our attention away from difficult sensations
47:00difficult sensations difficult sensations beautiful again another metaphor about beautiful again another metaphor about beautiful again another metaphor about like i love that like i love that like i love that the idea of surfing through that the idea of surfing through that the idea of surfing through that the wedge yeah yeah i i i i the wedge yeah yeah i i i i the wedge yeah yeah i i i i i'd like to know what what the context i'd like to know what what the context i'd like to know what what the context is around that line is around that line is around that line really i'm putting you totally on the really i'm putting you totally on the really i'm putting you totally on the spot with those aren't i he's literally spot with those aren't i he's literally spot with those aren't i he's literally i'm like out of the book all right it's i'm like out of the book all right it's i'm like out of the book all right it's like 80 000 words i'm like what the hell like 80 000 words i'm like what the hell like 80 000 words i'm like what the hell was i talking about well was i talking about well was i talking about well you know it's go you want to speak or you know it's go you want to speak or you know it's go you want to speak or i'll just yeah i'll just yeah i'll just yeah the context no well i mean what we're the context no well i mean what we're the context no well i mean what we're doing with sensations is we're just doing with sensations is we're just doing with sensations is we're just we're deciding how to use them right we're deciding how to use them right we're deciding how to use them right because they come in like a flood because they come in like a flood because they come in like a flood right because you're you're peripheral right because you're you're peripheral right because you're you're peripheral system where you know your brain is in a system where you know your brain is in a system where you know your brain is in a float tank float tank float tank right in your head it's it's bathing in right in your head it's it's bathing in right in your head it's it's bathing in spinal fluid and it's just hanging out spinal fluid and it's just hanging out spinal fluid and it's just hanging out in your head the only way it knows in your head the only way it knows in your head the only way it knows anything about the world is anything about the world is anything about the world is is your sensory system sending stuff in is your sensory system sending stuff in is your sensory system sending stuff in through your nerves up through your um through your nerves up through your um through your nerves up through your um spinal cord and into the lowest levels spinal cord and into the lowest levels spinal cord and into the lowest levels of the brain or and eye is actually of the brain or and eye is actually of the brain or and eye is actually going in a different route but going in a different route but going in a different route but anyway it has to come in through the anyway it has to come in through the anyway it has to come in through the peripheral nerves peripheral nerves peripheral nerves and and when that comes in like i don't
48:00and and when that comes in like i don't and and when that comes in like i don't know where the mind know where the mind know where the mind is right you know i know where the brain is right you know i know where the brain is right you know i know where the brain is i don't know where the mind is like is i don't know where the mind is like is i don't know where the mind is like part of it part of it part of it is certainly in the brain but it's could is certainly in the brain but it's could is certainly in the brain but it's could be in other places as well be in other places as well be in other places as well and this comes in and and this comes in and and this comes in and and what the mind is is sort of deciding and what the mind is is sort of deciding and what the mind is is sort of deciding what sensation means right and what sensation means right and what sensation means right and and if it's coming in like a torrent you and if it's coming in like a torrent you and if it's coming in like a torrent you know you can get know you can get know you can get like if it was a wave right you could like if it was a wave right you could like if it was a wave right you could get battered by it and just let it just get battered by it and just let it just get battered by it and just let it just take you wherever it goes and and you take you wherever it goes and and you take you wherever it goes and and you know that can be pleasant that can be know that can be pleasant that can be know that can be pleasant that can be really unpleasant or you can try really unpleasant or you can try really unpleasant or you can try to as best you can take control of those to as best you can take control of those to as best you can take control of those sensations and and sensations and and sensations and and and have your mind use them and that's and have your mind use them and that's and have your mind use them and that's that's one way to describe the wedge that's one way to describe the wedge that's one way to describe the wedge perfect and that um in that surfing uh perfect and that um in that surfing uh perfect and that um in that surfing uh metaphor was in the chapter um metaphor was in the chapter um metaphor was in the chapter um red line which i'd love for you to speak red line which i'd love for you to speak red line which i'd love for you to speak with um we're getting to that with um we're getting to that with um we're getting to that and red line um uh is is about hot and and red line um uh is is about hot and and red line um uh is is about hot and cold and about your experience with
49:00cold and about your experience with cold and about your experience with with sauna and i'll just tee the ball up with sauna and i'll just tee the ball up with sauna and i'll just tee the ball up for you uh about for you uh about for you uh about um uh the the pertnics is that what um uh the the pertnics is that what um uh the the pertnics is that what they're called the pertinents they're called the pertinents they're called the pertinents yeah and this this wonderful magic that yeah and this this wonderful magic that yeah and this this wonderful magic that they were able to do through sensations they were able to do through sensations they were able to do through sensations of essences of essences of essences and in the the thenx the the the and in the the thenx the the the and in the the thenx the the the treatment that you received treatment that you received treatment that you received about about um contributing to the wedge about about um contributing to the wedge about about um contributing to the wedge so i'm teaming that up for you go ahead so i'm teaming that up for you go ahead so i'm teaming that up for you go ahead what they were doing so i went to latvia what they were doing so i went to latvia what they were doing so i went to latvia um you know and they have a very um you know and they have a very um you know and they have a very elaborate sauna tradition not unlike elaborate sauna tradition not unlike elaborate sauna tradition not unlike finland finland finland uh and and there is this group of of uh and and there is this group of of uh and and there is this group of of people peered next which actually just people peered next which actually just people peered next which actually just means means means guy who owns a sauna i believe in latvia guy who owns a sauna i believe in latvia guy who owns a sauna i believe in latvia but but they they considered them but but they they considered them but but they they considered them shamans themselves and they have this shamans themselves and they have this shamans themselves and they have this training around it training around it training around it and what they were doing and what they were doing and what they were doing was essentially using sensory contrasts was essentially using sensory contrasts was essentially using sensory contrasts whether it's hot and cold whether it's whether it's hot and cold whether it's whether it's hot and cold whether it's confusion confusion confusion and whatever the opposite of certainty and whatever the opposite of certainty
50:00and whatever the opposite of certainty whether it's um uh contrasting strong smells whether it was contrasting strong smells whether it was hitting you with branches of random hitting you with branches of random hitting you with branches of random stuff stuff and they're they're using all of these and they're they're using all of these and they're they're using all of these very strong sensations very strong sensations very strong sensations and then mixing them together while you and then mixing them together while you and then mixing them together while you are under heat are under heat are under heat stress and uh i i have different words stress and uh i i have different words stress and uh i i have different words for for for for what what they were doing but it's for what what they were doing but it's for what what they were doing but it's essentially like misdirecting your essentially like misdirecting your essentially like misdirecting your sensory systems sensory systems sensory systems so uh the ritual started out we were so uh the ritual started out we were so uh the ritual started out we were eating like a weird eating like a weird eating like a weird bread like a weird but familiar bread bread like a weird but familiar bread bread like a weird but familiar bread made out of like made out of like made out of like you know grains but also pine needles you know grains but also pine needles you know grains but also pine needles right so it's not a bread that you're right so it's not a bread that you're right so it's not a bread that you're normally going to eat but you try this normally going to eat but you try this normally going to eat but you try this thing thing thing it's weird right i ate pine needles okay it's weird right i ate pine needles okay it's weird right i ate pine needles okay cool cool cool and you have this weird smell and then and you have this weird smell and then and you have this weird smell and then you're in the sauna and they're hitting you're in the sauna and they're hitting you're in the sauna and they're hitting you you with branches of like pine leaves right with branches of like pine leaves right with branches of like pine leaves right or you know or you know or you know the fronds of pondilla so you're the fronds of pondilla so you're the fronds of pondilla so you're experiencing pine experiencing pine experiencing pine in two different ways three different in two different ways three different in two different ways three different ways actually one ways actually one ways actually one as the taste two as the sensation of the as the taste two as the sensation of the as the taste two as the sensation of the branch branch branch hitting you and three is the sound now
51:00hitting you and three is the sound now hitting you and three is the sound now this is while you're at like 180 degrees this is while you're at like 180 degrees this is while you're at like 180 degrees or more or more or more in the sauna and as this happens you're in the sauna and as this happens you're in the sauna and as this happens you're like well like well like well like the pine is sort of an objective like the pine is sort of an objective like the pine is sort of an objective thing like you look at a pine tree you thing like you look at a pine tree you thing like you look at a pine tree you can experience it can experience it can experience it by seeing it hearing it you know by seeing it hearing it you know by seeing it hearing it you know smelling it smelling it smelling it all these things and what my brain was all these things and what my brain was all these things and what my brain was doing under stress doing under stress doing under stress was mixing those sensations so that i was mixing those sensations so that i was mixing those sensations so that i started smelling sounds started smelling sounds started smelling sounds hearing sights um feeling the pressure hearing sights um feeling the pressure hearing sights um feeling the pressure as uh in different ways as my sensory as uh in different ways as my sensory as uh in different ways as my sensory system actually gets system actually gets system actually gets more dynamic more con you could say more dynamic more con you could say more dynamic more con you could say confused but also dynamic confused but also dynamic confused but also dynamic um and and and and what a neural uh a um and and and and what a neural uh a um and and and and what a neural uh a neuroscientist will call it with neuroscientist will call it with neuroscientist will call it with synesthesia synesthesia synesthesia which is the blending of senses into which is the blending of senses into which is the blending of senses into this new way this new way this new way so it's a different way to experience so it's a different way to experience so it's a different way to experience things and the reason why that's things and the reason why that's things and the reason why that's important is this sort of biology behind important is this sort of biology behind important is this sort of biology behind neural symbols is that sensation and neural symbols is that sensation and neural symbols is that sensation and emotion bond together emotion bond together emotion bond together in who we are how we make conscious in who we are how we make conscious in who we are how we make conscious things happen things happen things happen so if you're if you're seeing a
52:00so if you're if you're seeing a so if you're if you're seeing a sound right that's an entirely novel sound right that's an entirely novel sound right that's an entirely novel sensation so whatever emotion you're sensation so whatever emotion you're sensation so whatever emotion you're bringing to that is entirely new you bringing to that is entirely new you bringing to that is entirely new you create this new neural symbol in your create this new neural symbol in your create this new neural symbol in your brain and brain and brain and and you feel i felt very refreshed and and you feel i felt very refreshed and and you feel i felt very refreshed and sort of um sort of um sort of um amazing after i left that that five amazing after i left that that five amazing after i left that that five hour sauna right it was a five hour hour sauna right it was a five hour hour sauna right it was a five hour tradition which is a very long time to tradition which is a very long time to tradition which is a very long time to be at 180 degrees i mean we did do some be at 180 degrees i mean we did do some be at 180 degrees i mean we did do some contrast in cold contrast in cold contrast in cold therapy you know in and out but it was a therapy you know in and out but it was a therapy you know in and out but it was a it was what should have been a very it was what should have been a very it was what should have been a very stressful difficult stressful difficult stressful difficult exhausting experience ended up as a exhausting experience ended up as a exhausting experience ended up as a rejuvenating one rejuvenating one rejuvenating one what i got out of that part was was very what i got out of that part was was very what i got out of that part was was very reassuring reassuring reassuring for me because what what i brought back for me because what what i brought back for me because what what i brought back from my time in from my time in from my time in north of europe was how great sauna is north of europe was how great sauna is north of europe was how great sauna is um um um as a verb and a noun meaning it's uh as a verb and a noun meaning it's uh as a verb and a noun meaning it's uh it's a great thing to do it's a great thing to do it's a great thing to do but it's also a great place uh and what but it's also a great place uh and what but it's also a great place uh and what the the europeans the northern europeans the europeans the northern europeans the europeans the northern europeans the finns specifically are able to do and finns specifically are able to do and finns specifically are able to do and and the lobbyins and the lobbyins and the lobbyins and that and are creating a space of
53:00and that and are creating a space of and that and are creating a space of um of of comfort and um um of of comfort and um um of of comfort and um relaxation and so you know you you speak relaxation and so you know you you speak relaxation and so you know you you speak about like the essences about like the essences about like the essences um you know the essential oils on the um you know the essential oils on the um you know the essential oils on the rocks or whatever giving these rocks or whatever giving these rocks or whatever giving these sensations sensations sensations you know and and i kind of joke that uh you know and and i kind of joke that uh you know and and i kind of joke that uh a cold beer a cold beer a cold beer is also a wedge because when you're you is also a wedge because when you're you is also a wedge because when you're you know doing the hot in the cold know doing the hot in the cold know doing the hot in the cold it doesn't have to be so clinical and it doesn't have to be so clinical and it doesn't have to be so clinical and and um and um and um and scientific uh you know laughter is a and scientific uh you know laughter is a and scientific uh you know laughter is a wedge wedge um the relaxation and these are all um the relaxation and these are all um the relaxation and these are all elements that make for elements that make for elements that make for just something so enjoyable just something so enjoyable just something so enjoyable and therapeutic by extension and therapeutic by extension and therapeutic by extension yeah anything you feel yeah anything you feel yeah anything you feel is the potential for a wedge right you is the potential for a wedge right you is the potential for a wedge right you know you know the know you know the know you know the the the easiest example that i talk the the easiest example that i talk the the easiest example that i talk about is like you know you feel a sneeze about is like you know you feel a sneeze about is like you know you feel a sneeze coming on and you can decide whether you coming on and you can decide whether you coming on and you can decide whether you want to sneeze want to sneeze want to sneeze or not sneeze that's the wedge too i or not sneeze that's the wedge too i or not sneeze that's the wedge too i don't know if it's don't know if it's don't know if it's useful right i like sneezing but you
54:00useful right i like sneezing but you useful right i like sneezing but you have that control have that control have that control and and and everything you feel is a is and and and everything you feel is a is and and and everything you feel is a is a time to practice this and it makes you a time to practice this and it makes you a time to practice this and it makes you more and more human more and more human more and more human you don't have to do it all the time you don't have to do it all the time you don't have to do it all the time right there's no right there's no right there's no obligation to make put everything under obligation to make put everything under obligation to make put everything under conscious control conscious control conscious control but we have the ability to put a lot but we have the ability to put a lot but we have the ability to put a lot under there if we want to and if not the under there if we want to and if not the under there if we want to and if not the body is also pretty smart right it can body is also pretty smart right it can body is also pretty smart right it can sort of just sort of just sort of just work right honestly great and that's you work right honestly great and that's you work right honestly great and that's you know it's it's it's know it's it's it's know it's it's it's being alive is amazing what a great being alive is amazing what a great being alive is amazing what a great journey we have and journey we have and journey we have and and uh and you know keep doing things and uh and you know keep doing things and uh and you know keep doing things that make you feel more alive that make you feel more alive that make you feel more alive until you die and then you're done then until you die and then you're done then until you die and then you're done then you're done you're done you're done so creating a great sauna vibe in your so creating a great sauna vibe in your so creating a great sauna vibe in your own backyard own backyard own backyard is uh yeah is is a wonderful place is uh yeah is is a wonderful place is uh yeah is is a wonderful place because because because it's it is a big wedge it's it's it is a big wedge it's it's it is a big wedge it's you're creating this environment to you're creating this environment to you're creating this environment to interpret stimuli interpret stimuli interpret stimuli even even better so hats off on that even even better so hats off on that even even better so hats off on that um real quick couple more there's two um real quick couple more there's two um real quick couple more there's two other little areas you okay on time we other little areas you okay on time we other little areas you okay on time we got a couple more minutes
55:00got a couple more minutes got a couple more minutes gotta sort of go pretty soon gotta sort of go pretty soon gotta sort of go pretty soon unfortunately okay i'll make this one unfortunately okay i'll make this one unfortunately okay i'll make this one quick so uh i wanted to add so you are quick so uh i wanted to add so you are quick so uh i wanted to add so you are you still doing wim hof you still doing wim hof you still doing wim hof pretty regularly yeah every morning yeah pretty regularly yeah every morning yeah pretty regularly yeah every morning yeah same yes i do the same yes i do the same yes i do the i do the breathing every morning i do a i do the breathing every morning i do a i do the breathing every morning i do a and i take a hot shower and i finish and i take a hot shower and i finish and i take a hot shower and i finish cold like you know where i am in denver cold like you know where i am in denver cold like you know where i am in denver it's actually a little difficult to get it's actually a little difficult to get it's actually a little difficult to get access to ice baths are a pain in the access to ice baths are a pain in the access to ice baths are a pain in the butt butt butt to put together uh and so i don't do it to put together uh and so i don't do it to put together uh and so i don't do it regularly because i don't want to buy regularly because i don't want to buy regularly because i don't want to buy ice every five minutes ice every five minutes ice every five minutes totally but i do cold showers and if i totally but i do cold showers and if i totally but i do cold showers and if i had an ice cold lake like you do yeah had an ice cold lake like you do yeah had an ice cold lake like you do yeah i'd be in it all the time it's just you i'd be in it all the time it's just you i'd be in it all the time it's just you know know know being around environments where you can being around environments where you can being around environments where you can opportunistically take advantage of it's opportunistically take advantage of it's opportunistically take advantage of it's important yeah important yeah important yeah so so we'll finish yep we'll finish on so so we'll finish yep we'll finish on so so we'll finish yep we'll finish on two things the first is just some nuts two things the first is just some nuts two things the first is just some nuts and bolts advice for someone who's been and bolts advice for someone who's been and bolts advice for someone who's been doing the wim hof method for doing the wim hof method for doing the wim hof method for what 10 years now about that what 10 years now about that what 10 years now about that um about that yeah what do you what um about that yeah what do you what um about that yeah what do you what would you what would you advise would you what would you advise would you what would you advise for somebody who's you know been for somebody who's you know been for somebody who's you know been practicing for a while but they're practicing for a while but they're practicing for a while but they're they're having trouble kind of with the they're having trouble kind of with the they're having trouble kind of with the ex ex ex the extension in other words there may
56:00the extension in other words there may the extension in other words there may be only only able to hold their breath be only only able to hold their breath be only only able to hold their breath on retention for like a minute or so um on retention for like a minute or so um on retention for like a minute or so um you're kind of this person that seems to you're kind of this person that seems to you're kind of this person that seems to relish stress relish stress relish stress you know you find you know you're doing you know you find you know you're doing you know you find you know you're doing all these um extreme events and stuff all these um extreme events and stuff all these um extreme events and stuff what do you what do you what do you tell yourself at that moment where you tell yourself at that moment where you tell yourself at that moment where you when you feel when you feel when you feel this need to breathe this need to breathe this need to breathe well um it's funny uh well um it's funny uh well um it's funny uh i think one of the problems with the way i think one of the problems with the way i think one of the problems with the way the wim hof method the wim hof method is taught is this this application that is taught is this this application that is taught is this this application that they have going with it and when you they have going with it and when you they have going with it and when you first first learn uh the wim hof method is you're learn uh the wim hof method is you're learn uh the wim hof method is you're you know you're like oh my god i'm you know you're like oh my god i'm you know you're like oh my god i'm holding my breath for a really long holding my breath for a really long holding my breath for a really long period of time you have a stopwatch in period of time you have a stopwatch in period of time you have a stopwatch in front of you like oh my god i made it to front of you like oh my god i made it to front of you like oh my god i made it to two minutes can i make it to three and two minutes can i make it to three and two minutes can i make it to three and you're looking at this watch and you're you're looking at this watch and you're you're looking at this watch and you're like like oh i did it i did it and and you're you oh i did it i did it and and you're you oh i did it i did it and and you're you know you're stressing out like you're know you're stressing out like you're know you're stressing out like you're pushing yourself um i think and then pushing yourself um i think and then pushing yourself um i think and then they they they then i get this question a lot like well then i get this question a lot like well then i get this question a lot like well how do i go longer like how do i push how do i go longer like how do i push how do i go longer like how do i push myself even farther myself even farther myself even farther and my answer is universally drop the
57:00and my answer is universally drop the and my answer is universally drop the [ __ ] watch [ __ ] watch [ __ ] watch like there's no point to have the watch like there's no point to have the watch like there's no point to have the watch define define define for you what success is or not like for you what success is or not like for you what success is or not like i do the wim hof breathing every morning i do the wim hof breathing every morning i do the wim hof breathing every morning and i have no idea what my retentions and i have no idea what my retentions and i have no idea what my retentions are i might only be at a minute for all are i might only be at a minute for all are i might only be at a minute for all i know i mean i know i mean i know i mean but you know maybe i'm at five somewhere but you know maybe i'm at five somewhere but you know maybe i'm at five somewhere between probably between probably between probably and the the point is is not to you know and the the point is is not to you know and the the point is is not to you know you don't hold your breath to become a you don't hold your breath to become a you don't hold your breath to become a better breath holder right we're not better breath holder right we're not better breath holder right we're not free divers free divers free divers and in fact the caveat should be never and in fact the caveat should be never and in fact the caveat should be never do the wim hof method do the wim hof method do the wim hof method to dive because you'll die five people to dive because you'll die five people to dive because you'll die five people have died or seven people have died have died or seven people have died have died or seven people have died doing this doing this doing this um because it'll give you a shallow um because it'll give you a shallow um because it'll give you a shallow water blackout there's a way to free water blackout there's a way to free water blackout there's a way to free dive and you should go dive and you should go dive and you should go talk to a free diver we're doing the wim talk to a free diver we're doing the wim talk to a free diver we're doing the wim hof breathing hof breathing hof breathing breathing and the retention in order to breathing and the retention in order to breathing and the retention in order to push against different stresses push against different stresses push against different stresses and there's three important stresses the and there's three important stresses the and there's three important stresses the first one first one first one is the heavy breathing at first is panic is the heavy breathing at first is panic is the heavy breathing at first is panic right it's your body is simulating a right it's your body is simulating a right it's your body is simulating a panic attack or heavy exertion panic attack or heavy exertion panic attack or heavy exertion or intense joy but it's like highly or intense joy but it's like highly or intense joy but it's like highly sympathetic fight or flight responses
58:00sympathetic fight or flight responses sympathetic fight or flight responses and you're pushing against controlling and you're pushing against controlling and you're pushing against controlling yourself in that and it's actually not yourself in that and it's actually not yourself in that and it's actually not that hard to do you breathe heavy that hard to do you breathe heavy that hard to do you breathe heavy and then you exhale and you hold and then you exhale and you hold and then you exhale and you hold and at first it's just sympathetic it's and at first it's just sympathetic it's and at first it's just sympathetic it's just sort of parasympathetic it's just just sort of parasympathetic it's just just sort of parasympathetic it's just rest and digestion it's very easy it's rest and digestion it's very easy it's rest and digestion it's very easy it's actually awesome actually awesome actually awesome in the first 30 seconds or so of the in the first 30 seconds or so of the in the first 30 seconds or so of the breath hold breath hold breath hold and and you're trying to stay impaired and and you're trying to stay impaired and and you're trying to stay impaired in in that parasympathetic in in that parasympathetic in in that parasympathetic synthetic parasympathetic setting synthetic parasympathetic setting synthetic parasympathetic setting and then as the co2 levels build up in and then as the co2 levels build up in and then as the co2 levels build up in your lungs you start feeling anxiety and your lungs you start feeling anxiety and your lungs you start feeling anxiety and that that anxiety translates into the urge to anxiety translates into the urge to anxiety translates into the urge to breathe and so what you're what now what breathe and so what you're what now what breathe and so what you're what now what you're pushing against in this place you're pushing against in this place you're pushing against in this place is you're pushing against the feeling of is you're pushing against the feeling of is you're pushing against the feeling of switching switching switching out of parasympathetic so you're pushing out of parasympathetic so you're pushing out of parasympathetic so you're pushing against against against that you're trying to say no i'm going that you're trying to say no i'm going that you're trying to say no i'm going to stay relaxed i'm going to stay to stay relaxed i'm going to stay to stay relaxed i'm going to stay relaxed relaxed relaxed i'm gonna stay relaxed and then there's i'm gonna stay relaxed and then there's i'm gonna stay relaxed and then there's a switch at some point where you're like a switch at some point where you're like a switch at some point where you're like okay now i'm not relaxed okay now i'm not relaxed okay now i'm not relaxed now i'm fighting the urge to breathe and now i'm fighting the urge to breathe and now i'm fighting the urge to breathe and so now you're flipped so now you're flipped so now you're flipped back into sympathetic um tone
59:00back into sympathetic um tone back into sympathetic um tone and so we're just trying to train those and so we're just trying to train those and so we're just trying to train those three different places three different places three different places to be and that has nothing to do with to be and that has nothing to do with to be and that has nothing to do with time time like get into your body you know and like get into your body you know and like get into your body you know and when you're in that when you're in that when you're in that that that rest and digest phase go into that that rest and digest phase go into that that rest and digest phase go into your vision your vision your vision right close your eyes and go into right close your eyes and go into right close your eyes and go into whatever you're seeing go deep whatever you're seeing go deep whatever you're seeing go deep and and try to surf that and distract and and try to surf that and distract and and try to surf that and distract yourself from the fact yourself from the fact yourself from the fact that there's this anxiety coming in and that there's this anxiety coming in and that there's this anxiety coming in and eventually you're going to be in that eventually you're going to be in that eventually you're going to be in that anxious phase and then push against that anxious phase and then push against that anxious phase and then push against that as long as you feel you need to as long as you feel you need to as long as you feel you need to and then let go like i'm not a nazi and then let go like i'm not a nazi and then let go like i'm not a nazi about this like you know if you can't about this like you know if you can't about this like you know if you can't hold your breath for two minutes i don't hold your breath for two minutes i don't hold your breath for two minutes i don't care care care did you have a good experience at the did you have a good experience at the did you have a good experience at the end thank you thank you for that end thank you thank you for that end thank you thank you for that couple quick questions back to sauna um couple quick questions back to sauna um couple quick questions back to sauna um as you think about a day when you're as you think about a day when you're as you think about a day when you're gonna sound up you know from the gonna sound up you know from the gonna sound up you know from the anticipation of anticipation of anticipation of to you know the the the flipping of the to you know the the the flipping of the to you know the the the flipping of the switch switch switch you know the the first round that first you know the the first round that first you know the the first round that first feeling of heat that first feeling of heat that first feeling of heat that first lolu which is the water throwing on the lolu which is the water throwing on the lolu which is the water throwing on the on the rocks
1:00on the rocks on the rocks the first cool down all the way through the first cool down all the way through the first cool down all the way through the end the end the end is there a moment that sticks out even is there a moment that sticks out even is there a moment that sticks out even when you tuck yourself into bed at night when you tuck yourself into bed at night when you tuck yourself into bed at night after a after a after a good long sauna session if you had to good long sauna session if you had to good long sauna session if you had to distill it to one moment what's your distill it to one moment what's your distill it to one moment what's your favorite through that whole song favorite through that whole song favorite through that whole song process oh walking in initially oh my process oh walking in initially oh my process oh walking in initially oh my god that's like like god that's like like god that's like like opening the door and going from slow opening the door and going from slow opening the door and going from slow cold into fast cold into fast cold into fast heat is the best feeling and that's what heat is the best feeling and that's what heat is the best feeling and that's what i love more than anything because you i love more than anything because you i love more than anything because you know it's the most pleasurable it's the know it's the most pleasurable it's the know it's the most pleasurable it's the straight-up straight-up straight-up most warm and welcoming place most warm and welcoming place most warm and welcoming place uh and then uh and and that's for sure uh and then uh and and that's for sure uh and then uh and and that's for sure the other thing that's very nice about the other thing that's very nice about the other thing that's very nice about sean is sean is sean is if they put if you're there with another if they put if you're there with another if they put if you're there with another person you're both person you're both person you're both under um you're both feeling that same under um you're both feeling that same under um you're both feeling that same pleasure when you first get in pleasure when you first get in pleasure when you first get in so that sets everything up as a positive so that sets everything up as a positive so that sets everything up as a positive feeling feeling right beautiful emotion emotion you've right beautiful emotion emotion you've right beautiful emotion emotion you've set up is positive then set up is positive then set up is positive then you start talking and you start rapping you start talking and you start rapping you start talking and you start rapping about whatever it is you're talking or about whatever it is you're talking or about whatever it is you're talking or maybe you're quiet i don't know maybe you're quiet i don't know maybe you're quiet i don't know but but then um you're also undergoing but but then um you're also undergoing but but then um you're also undergoing that stress together that stress together that stress together and so it's a communal experience and
1:01and so it's a communal experience and and so it's a communal experience and you can have actually very very deep you can have actually very very deep you can have actually very very deep um personal connections and so on and i um personal connections and so on and i um personal connections and so on and i think that's really beautiful as well think that's really beautiful as well think that's really beautiful as well and then you start talking nonsense like and then you start talking nonsense like and then you start talking nonsense like if you're there too long you're like i if you're there too long you're like i if you're there too long you're like i don't want to talk about it anymore man don't want to talk about it anymore man don't want to talk about it anymore man we should probably get out we're going we should probably get out we're going we should probably get out we're going to die well scott actually to die well scott actually to die well scott actually when you say that that's actually the when you say that that's actually the when you say that that's actually the origins of sauna talk origins of sauna talk origins of sauna talk with a few of my buddies where like with a few of my buddies where like with a few of my buddies where like sauna talk is a different kind of talk sauna talk is a different kind of talk sauna talk is a different kind of talk it can get like the very conceptual it can get like the very conceptual it can get like the very conceptual crazy talk crazy talk crazy talk almost like drunk talk in a way and then almost like drunk talk in a way and then almost like drunk talk in a way and then you know i'll i'll be taking all these you know i'll i'll be taking all these you know i'll i'll be taking all these notes and notes and notes and you even saw some of the notes i took you even saw some of the notes i took you even saw some of the notes i took about the wedge about the wedge about the wedge and and you get all these weird these and and you get all these weird these and and you get all these weird these crazy associations like you're on drugs crazy associations like you're on drugs crazy associations like you're on drugs or or or or a night out partying and then you or a night out partying and then you or a night out partying and then you know i'll look at my notes the next day know i'll look at my notes the next day know i'll look at my notes the next day and i'm like whoa where was i going with and i'm like whoa where was i going with and i'm like whoa where was i going with all that stuff all that stuff all that stuff but but ultimately sometimes they're but but ultimately sometimes they're but but ultimately sometimes they're they're pretty insightful they're pretty insightful they're pretty insightful yeah you know laird hamilton and gabby yeah you know laird hamilton and gabby yeah you know laird hamilton and gabby reese had a podcast called reese had a podcast called reese had a podcast called truth barrel for a while because they truth barrel for a while because they truth barrel for a while because they have a sauna in their backyard have a sauna in their backyard have a sauna in their backyard it's one of those barrel saunas and uh
1:02it's one of those barrel saunas and uh it's one of those barrel saunas and uh yeah and they yeah and they yeah and they and you know they're doing all their xpt and you know they're doing all their xpt and you know they're doing all their xpt awesome uh awesome uh awesome uh work and then and then but they would work and then and then but they would work and then and then but they would actually do the podcast in the sauna actually do the podcast in the sauna actually do the podcast in the sauna uh where people would get loopy and then uh where people would get loopy and then uh where people would get loopy and then say interesting things say interesting things say interesting things right right now if you could sauna with right right now if you could sauna with right right now if you could sauna with anybody in the world anybody in the world anybody in the world um that are alive past presents um um that are alive past presents um um that are alive past presents um who's the first person that comes to who's the first person that comes to who's the first person that comes to mind for you uh it's such a hard question um you know uh it's such a hard question um you know what what is the goal what what is the goal what what is the goal with that like are you trying to get with that like are you trying to get with that like are you trying to get somebody to uh somebody to uh somebody to uh open up are you trying to teach them a open up are you trying to teach them a open up are you trying to teach them a lesson or you're trying to get a lesson lesson or you're trying to get a lesson lesson or you're trying to get a lesson um you know i i i just want to be open um you know i i i just want to be open um you know i i i just want to be open with interesting people with interesting people with interesting people uh i want to have have cool connections uh i want to have have cool connections uh i want to have have cool connections and it doesn't really matter how famous and it doesn't really matter how famous and it doesn't really matter how famous they are or they are or they are or whatever it doesn't need to be jesus or whatever it doesn't need to be jesus or whatever it doesn't need to be jesus or donald trump right it doesn't need to be donald trump right it doesn't need to be donald trump right it doesn't need to be you know uh um you know uh um you know uh um yeah if someone is open to it and yeah if someone is open to it and yeah if someone is open to it and someone who's interested you know someone who's interested you know someone who's interested you know there's no there's no there's no there's no per you know this it's the there's no per you know this it's the there's no per you know this it's the same question if you could have a same question if you could have a same question if you could have a conversation with anyone living or dead
1:03conversation with anyone living or dead conversation with anyone living or dead who would it be like i don't know who would it be like i don't know who would it be like i don't know right like perfect it'd be cool right like perfect it'd be cool right like perfect it'd be cool it could be cool to meet neil armstrong it could be cool to meet neil armstrong it could be cool to meet neil armstrong you know i know he's dead now but it you know i know he's dead now but it you know i know he's dead now but it would have been cold would have been cold would have been cold beautiful is he dead i don't know if beautiful is he dead i don't know if beautiful is he dead i don't know if he's dead well we could get him in the he's dead well we could get him in the he's dead well we could get him in the sauna maybe sauna maybe sauna maybe but it's a conceptual question so thank but it's a conceptual question so thank but it's a conceptual question so thank you for that cool interesting people you for that cool interesting people you for that cool interesting people could not cannot agree more how about could not cannot agree more how about could not cannot agree more how about this one two more quick ones i promise this one two more quick ones i promise this one two more quick ones i promise to be done in one minute here to be done in one minute here to be done in one minute here uh if you could bring a mobile sound uh if you could bring a mobile sound uh if you could bring a mobile sound anywhere in the world and anywhere in the world and anywhere in the world and and and enjoy sauna is there a spot that and and enjoy sauna is there a spot that and and enjoy sauna is there a spot that comes to mind comes to mind comes to mind in your travels your well-traveled guy in your travels your well-traveled guy in your travels your well-traveled guy um oh um oh um oh anywhere where there's a nice cold uh anywhere where there's a nice cold uh anywhere where there's a nice cold uh bit of water next door i mean bit of water next door i mean bit of water next door i mean the the beauty of the sauna is that it's the the beauty of the sauna is that it's the the beauty of the sauna is that it's the contrast so i want to be able to go the contrast so i want to be able to go the contrast so i want to be able to go from hot into cold and i love oceans from hot into cold and i love oceans from hot into cold and i love oceans like you know and i and i like i like i like you know and i and i like i like i like you know and i and i like i like i like oceans more than lakes i'm gonna like oceans more than lakes i'm gonna like oceans more than lakes i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna make a statement i'm gonna i'm gonna make a statement i'm gonna i'm gonna make a statement here here here oceans right it would be on the coast oceans right it would be on the coast oceans right it would be on the coast somewhere yeah somewhere yeah somewhere yeah so sound is becoming a much bigger deal so sound is becoming a much bigger deal so sound is becoming a much bigger deal in america um
1:04in america um in america um what do you think is most misunderstood what do you think is most misunderstood what do you think is most misunderstood about sauna i mean you've experienced in about sauna i mean you've experienced in about sauna i mean you've experienced in latvia in your travels wim has one in latvia in your travels wim has one in latvia in your travels wim has one in poland at the training center that poland at the training center that poland at the training center that you've experienced so you've experienced so you've experienced so so you and you have one in your backyard so you and you have one in your backyard so you and you have one in your backyard you're no stranger to sauna you're no stranger to sauna you're no stranger to sauna as as you talk with other people you as as you talk with other people you as as you talk with other people you know you have this book know you have this book know you have this book this chapter in the book about authentic this chapter in the book about authentic this chapter in the book about authentic sauna the real deal sauna the real deal sauna the real deal what do you think is most misunderstood what do you think is most misunderstood about sauna oh you know it's it oh you know it's it it's the the sense of community is it's the the sense of community is it's the the sense of community is what's missing in it like in america what's missing in it like in america what's missing in it like in america it's it's it's it's about um recovery it's about um recovery it's about um recovery right we're we're biohacking in this right we're we're biohacking in this right we're we're biohacking in this honor we're doing we have a goal honor we're doing we have a goal honor we're doing we have a goal and and i don't think asana needs a goal and and i don't think asana needs a goal and and i don't think asana needs a goal um um i don't think we need to take it so i don't think we need to take it so i don't think we need to take it so seriously seriously seriously uh in the sense that there's going to be uh in the sense that there's going to be uh in the sense that there's going to be a definite output a definite output a definite output where i am better at the end of it you where i am better at the end of it you where i am better at the end of it you know and and it's like know and and it's like know and and it's like you know sore muscles you go to a sauna you know sore muscles you go to a sauna you know sore muscles you go to a sauna it's like that's not the goal for me it's like that's not the goal for me it's like that's not the goal for me it's like it's like it's like it's to have the experience and
1:05it's to have the experience and it's to have the experience and i think that's changing a little bit i think that's changing a little bit i think that's changing a little bit here with you know with what you're here with you know with what you're here with you know with what you're doing with what laird's doing with what doing with what laird's doing with what doing with what laird's doing with what i'm doing i think there's i'm doing i think there's i'm doing i think there's sort of this more um holistic sort of this more um holistic sort of this more um holistic understanding but if you go to finland understanding but if you go to finland understanding but if you go to finland if you go to latvia it's about if you go to latvia it's about if you go to latvia it's about community it's not about heat yeah community it's not about heat yeah community it's not about heat yeah thank you a beautiful spot to finish thank you a beautiful spot to finish thank you a beautiful spot to finish like it's so great it's so great scott like it's so great it's so great scott like it's so great it's so great scott to have you on sauna talk to have you on sauna talk to have you on sauna talk absolutely yeah i i i just can't um absolutely yeah i i i just can't um absolutely yeah i i i just can't um recommend these these two books enough recommend these these two books enough recommend these these two books enough and i'm looking forward to reading i'm and i'm looking forward to reading i'm and i'm looking forward to reading i'm going going going in reverse chronology actually i i got in reverse chronology actually i i got in reverse chronology actually i i got through this one first through this one first through this one first because of our connection with wim and because of our connection with wim and because of our connection with wim and he's been a guest on santa talk he's been a guest on santa talk he's been a guest on santa talk um yeah how about his sauna in in poland um yeah how about his sauna in in poland um yeah how about his sauna in in poland it's um song is a big part of wim's life it's um song is a big part of wim's life it's um song is a big part of wim's life i mean he speaks about it i mean he speaks about it i mean he speaks about it oh yeah and i interviewed him and we oh yeah and i interviewed him and we oh yeah and i interviewed him and we were together um were together um were together um it is the the the yin and the yang the it is the the the yin and the yang the it is the the the yin and the yang the hot and the cold but yeah but hot and the cold but yeah but hot and the cold but yeah but but great books uh you are just uh but great books uh you are just uh but great books uh you are just uh either we are kindred spirits uh and either we are kindred spirits uh and either we are kindred spirits uh and or you are a great writer because i
1:06or you are a great writer because i or you are a great writer because i couldn't put these down couldn't put these down couldn't put these down and i think i told you this when when and i think i told you this when when and i think i told you this when when you sent me the wedge uh you sent me the wedge uh you sent me the wedge uh it's like sauna for me like during this it's like sauna for me like during this it's like sauna for me like during this covet time i i could sauna every day but covet time i i could sauna every day but covet time i i could sauna every day but i love it so much i i kind of i love it so much i i kind of i love it so much i i kind of hold back a little bit and i i sort of hold back a little bit and i i sort of hold back a little bit and i i sort of have fallen into a great routine of have fallen into a great routine of have fallen into a great routine of sauna every other day sauna every other day sauna every other day and this is how it was when i uh was and this is how it was when i uh was and this is how it was when i uh was gifted the wedge from you it's like oh gifted the wedge from you it's like oh gifted the wedge from you it's like oh my god this is so good and i would i my god this is so good and i would i my god this is so good and i would i would have forced myself to put it down would have forced myself to put it down would have forced myself to put it down because i could have easily blown because i could have easily blown because i could have easily blown through this in one quick read but i i through this in one quick read but i i through this in one quick read but i i wanted to do wanted to do wanted to do the best justice so awesome well thank the best justice so awesome well thank the best justice so awesome well thank you so much and i love that what you're you so much and i love that what you're you so much and i love that what you're doing too you know anything we can do to doing too you know anything we can do to doing too you know anything we can do to bring this bring this bring this message out that's the most important message out that's the most important message out that's the most important thing right on brother and i hope to see thing right on brother and i hope to see thing right on brother and i hope to see you in person soon you in person soon you in person soon absolutely thank you so much cheers um my friend lisma just wrote to me um my friend lisma just wrote to me and says she wants