The Science of Longevity: Debunking Myths and Understanding Recovery - Full Transcript

00:00What's up everybody? Today we're very What's up everybody? Today we're very excited to have our guest here who's excited to have our guest here who's excited to have our guest here who's going to uh teach us all about why my going to uh teach us all about why my going to uh teach us all about why my sperm doesn't swim and how we can live sperm doesn't swim and how we can live sperm doesn't swim and how we can live till we're 100red years old and most till we're 100red years old and most till we're 100red years old and most importantly why actually this is what importantly why actually this is what importantly why actually this is what I'm really excited about. Why people who I'm really excited about. Why people who I'm really excited about. Why people who live to 100 are full of with their live to 100 are full of with their live to 100 are full of with their advice. I thought this was so good cuz advice. I thought this was so good cuz advice. I thought this was so good cuz I've had this I think there's like I've had this I think there's like I've had this I think there's like contrarian in me. So whenever I hear the contrarian in me. So whenever I hear the contrarian in me. So whenever I hear the hundred-y old people going, I smoke a hundred-y old people going, I smoke a hundred-y old people going, I smoke a pack a day and I drink whiskey and I'm pack a day and I drink whiskey and I'm pack a day and I drink whiskey and I'm like this ising bull and I'm watching like this ising bull and I'm watching like this ising bull and I'm watching you in this interview and this was so you in this interview and this was so you in this interview and this was so validating. You're like you say validating. You're like you say validating. You're like you say something to Oh, by the way, it's Piria. something to Oh, by the way, it's Piria. something to Oh, by the way, it's Piria. Oh, what's up? Oh, what's up? Oh, what's up? So, so you she says thing it was just so So, so you she says thing it was just so So, so you she says thing it was just so validating. You're like, uh, yeah. Yeah. validating. You're like, uh, yeah. Yeah. validating. You're like, uh, yeah. Yeah. These people are like super freaks in These people are like super freaks in These people are like super freaks in terms of their ability to live long. terms of their ability to live long. terms of their ability to live long. They're not doing anything specific. They're not doing anything specific. They're not doing anything specific. >> Survivorship bias. >> Survivorship bias. >> Survivorship bias. >> Yeah. So, it's like it's like LeBron >> Yeah. So, it's like it's like LeBron >> Yeah. So, it's like it's like LeBron telling you how to pick up girls at a telling you how to pick up girls at a telling you how to pick up girls at a nightclub, nightclub, nightclub, >> right? It's like I don't need your >> right? It's like I don't need your >> right? It's like I don't need your advice. I need the guy who's like 56 advice. I need the guy who's like 56 advice. I need the guy who's like 56 who's getting laid every single night. who's getting laid every single night. who's getting laid every single night. Can you break down why people who live Can you break down why people who live Can you break down why people who live to 100 are the last people we should get

01:00to 100 are the last people we should get to 100 are the last people we should get advice from? advice from? advice from? >> So genes don't play much of a role in >> So genes don't play much of a role in >> So genes don't play much of a role in how long you live up until about 80. how long you live up until about 80. how long you live up until about 80. >> So it really turns out what you do >> So it really turns out what you do >> So it really turns out what you do matters a lot. Plus luck. We could talk matters a lot. Plus luck. We could talk matters a lot. Plus luck. We could talk about where luck factors in. But for about where luck factors in. But for about where luck factors in. But for those people that make it to 90s, those people that make it to 90s, those people that make it to 90s, hundreds, they're called centinarians hundreds, they're called centinarians hundreds, they're called centinarians and then super centinarians. Um it's and then super centinarians. Um it's and then super centinarians. Um it's virtually all genetic. And what every virtually all genetic. And what every virtually all genetic. And what every study of these people has demonstrated study of these people has demonstrated study of these people has demonstrated is they live long despite what they do, is they live long despite what they do, is they live long despite what they do, not because of what they do. And to your not because of what they do. And to your not because of what they do. And to your point, they are on average more likely point, they are on average more likely point, they are on average more likely to smoke, more likely to drink, less to smoke, more likely to drink, less to smoke, more likely to drink, less likely to exercise, and more likely to likely to exercise, and more likely to likely to exercise, and more likely to eat junk food. eat junk food. eat junk food. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So all these people in like Italy who >> So all these people in like Italy who >> So all these people in like Italy who are like, "Yeah, you just eat pasta once are like, "Yeah, you just eat pasta once are like, "Yeah, you just eat pasta once a day." It's like, no, you just got some a day." It's like, no, you just got some a day." It's like, no, you just got some good jeans. good jeans. good jeans. >> You got great jeans. >> You got great jeans. >> You got great jeans. >> So does that account for blue zones as >> So does that account for blue zones as >> So does that account for blue zones as well? well? well? >> Yeah, the blue zones is a totally >> Yeah, the blue zones is a totally >> Yeah, the blue zones is a totally interesting and different issue going interesting and different issue going interesting and different issue going on. Um, this is a very controversial on. Um, this is a very controversial on. Um, this is a very controversial topic and I I fall on one side. topic and I I fall on one side. topic and I I fall on one side. >> Wrong place to do it. >> Wrong place to do it. >> Wrong place to do it. >> Yeah. Um, so I actually think the whole >> Yeah. Um, so I actually think the whole >> Yeah. Um, so I actually think the whole blue zone thing is a bit of a myth. blue zone thing is a bit of a myth. blue zone thing is a bit of a myth. >> Talk that [ __ ]

02:00>> Talk that [ __ ] >> Talk that [ __ ] >> And I think >> And I think >> And I think >> and ice baths, right? >> and ice baths, right? >> and ice baths, right? >> It depends what you're doing them for. >> It depends what you're doing them for. >> It depends what you're doing them for. >> To look cool with your shirt off. >> To look cool with your shirt off. >> To look cool with your shirt off. >> Oh, then it's very good. >> Oh, then it's very good. >> Oh, then it's very good. >> That is the ice bath, right? It's an >> That is the ice bath, right? It's an >> That is the ice bath, right? It's an excuse to show your body. excuse to show your body. excuse to show your body. >> It's an Instagram thing. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's an Instagram thing. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's an Instagram thing. Yeah. Yeah. >> Thank god. Okay, keep going. Keep going. >> Thank god. Okay, keep going. Keep going. >> Thank god. Okay, keep going. Keep going. Blue zones. So, so a big problem with Blue zones. So, so a big problem with Blue zones. So, so a big problem with the blue zone things is the the the sort the blue zone things is the the the sort the blue zone things is the the the sort of recordkeeping of how long people live of recordkeeping of how long people live of recordkeeping of how long people live and birth certificate stuff. There's and birth certificate stuff. There's and birth certificate stuff. There's like a lack of birth certificate like a lack of birth certificate like a lack of birth certificate integrity. There are a lot of places integrity. There are a lot of places integrity. There are a lot of places that reportedly had very high degrees of that reportedly had very high degrees of that reportedly had very high degrees of longevity. And if you follow on the longevity. And if you follow on the longevity. And if you follow on the x-axis like when did birth certificates x-axis like when did birth certificates x-axis like when did birth certificates get introduced like it vanished from get introduced like it vanished from get introduced like it vanished from longevity longevity longevity >> making up how old they are. >> making up how old they are. >> making up how old they are. >> Yeah. A lot a lot of that is going on. >> Yeah. A lot a lot of that is going on. >> Yeah. A lot a lot of that is going on. And then the truth of the matter is And then the truth of the matter is And then the truth of the matter is there's this whole kind of there's this whole kind of there's this whole kind of >> people don't understand causality >> people don't understand causality >> people don't understand causality sometimes. So if you sometimes. So if you sometimes. So if you went into the gym and you saw a whole went into the gym and you saw a whole went into the gym and you saw a whole bunch of super fit people running on bunch of super fit people running on bunch of super fit people running on treadmills, treadmills, treadmills, >> you would think that >> you would think that >> you would think that >> you could be lulled into the belief that

03:00>> you could be lulled into the belief that >> you could be lulled into the belief that Lululemon tights make you fit, Lululemon tights make you fit, Lululemon tights make you fit, >> right? You could be lulled into the >> right? You could be lulled into the >> right? You could be lulled into the belief that uh fancy blue over theear belief that uh fancy blue over theear belief that uh fancy blue over theear Apple headphones are good for muscle Apple headphones are good for muscle Apple headphones are good for muscle mass. Like you you could you could mass. Like you you could you could mass. Like you you could you could create a story and not realize no, it's create a story and not realize no, it's create a story and not realize no, it's actually all the exercise they're doing actually all the exercise they're doing actually all the exercise they're doing that's helping that's helping that's helping >> and people who exercise also happen to >> and people who exercise also happen to >> and people who exercise also happen to wear Lululemon tights and Apple Pod, you wear Lululemon tights and Apple Pod, you wear Lululemon tights and Apple Pod, you know, whatever AirPods and blah blah know, whatever AirPods and blah blah know, whatever AirPods and blah blah blah blah. So, so the whole thing is blah blah. So, so the whole thing is blah blah. So, so the whole thing is just, you know, we tend to infer too just, you know, we tend to infer too just, you know, we tend to infer too much causality from a lot of that stuff. much causality from a lot of that stuff. much causality from a lot of that stuff. some of the things that are, you know, some of the things that are, you know, some of the things that are, you know, assigned to the blue zones make sense. assigned to the blue zones make sense. assigned to the blue zones make sense. Like, does eating, you know, healthier Like, does eating, you know, healthier Like, does eating, you know, healthier food make more sense than eating junk food make more sense than eating junk food make more sense than eating junk food? Of course it does. But, but to food? Of course it does. But, but to food? Of course it does. But, but to think that there are these really think that there are these really think that there are these really specific blue zones and we need to kind specific blue zones and we need to kind specific blue zones and we need to kind of go and figure out everything they're of go and figure out everything they're of go and figure out everything they're doing because some of the ideas that are doing because some of the ideas that are doing because some of the ideas that are proposed are like exercise less because proposed are like exercise less because proposed are like exercise less because people in blue zones don't exercise people in blue zones don't exercise people in blue zones don't exercise much. And again, I just think that on much. And again, I just think that on much. And again, I just think that on its face, a lot of that stuff just its face, a lot of that stuff just its face, a lot of that stuff just doesn't make sense.

04:00doesn't make sense. doesn't make sense. >> Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So, wait, the >> Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So, wait, the >> Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So, wait, the sauna cold punch thing. Can you parse sauna cold punch thing. Can you parse sauna cold punch thing. Can you parse those two things? And can you explain those two things? And can you explain those two things? And can you explain why cold plunging is kind of [ __ ] why cold plunging is kind of [ __ ] why cold plunging is kind of [ __ ] >> Well, I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't say >> Well, I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't say >> Well, I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's [ __ ] It's just not it's not it's [ __ ] It's just not it's not it's [ __ ] It's just not it's not going to make you live longer. Okay. going to make you live longer. Okay. going to make you live longer. Okay. >> There's no there's no evidence at least >> There's no there's no evidence at least >> There's no there's no evidence at least that sauna is going to make you live that sauna is going to make you live that sauna is going to make you live longer. Um pardon me, pardon me. Cold longer. Um pardon me, pardon me. Cold longer. Um pardon me, pardon me. Cold plunge. Um plunge. Um plunge. Um >> can I can I ask one thing about cold >> can I can I ask one thing about cold >> can I can I ask one thing about cold plunge? plunge? plunge? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I know nothing. I'm going to be like >> And I know nothing. I'm going to be like >> And I know nothing. I'm going to be like the most ignorant person in the the most ignorant person in the the most ignorant person in the audience. This is my experience in doing audience. This is my experience in doing audience. This is my experience in doing it. it. it. >> I wonder if it is just Have you ever >> I wonder if it is just Have you ever >> I wonder if it is just Have you ever gone like skydiving? gone like skydiving? gone like skydiving? >> No. Have you ever gone bungee jumping? >> No. Have you ever gone bungee jumping? >> No. Have you ever gone bungee jumping? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> He's trying to live forever, >> He's trying to live forever, >> He's trying to live forever, >> but then he's also like swimming with >> but then he's also like swimming with >> but then he's also like swimming with sharks to Catalina Island. So, I don't sharks to Catalina Island. So, I don't sharks to Catalina Island. So, I don't know if I believe 100% live forever. know if I believe 100% live forever. know if I believe 100% live forever. But, uh, okay. Sometimes you do these But, uh, okay. Sometimes you do these But, uh, okay. Sometimes you do these scary things and then when you survive scary things and then when you survive scary things and then when you survive them, there's this like release of them, there's this like release of them, there's this like release of dopamine and it's a positive dopamine dopamine and it's a positive dopamine dopamine and it's a positive dopamine and the positive dopamine makes you feel and the positive dopamine makes you feel and the positive dopamine makes you feel amazing in the moment. So, in 60 seconds amazing in the moment. So, in 60 seconds amazing in the moment. So, in 60 seconds without skydiving or bungee jumping, without skydiving or bungee jumping, without skydiving or bungee jumping, yep, yep, yep, >> I get a positive dopamine that makes me >> I get a positive dopamine that makes me >> I get a positive dopamine that makes me feel amazing. Is it just the quickest

05:00feel amazing. Is it just the quickest feel amazing. Is it just the quickest way to feel good? way to feel good? way to feel good? >> Uh, first of all, that's actually a >> Uh, first of all, that's actually a >> Uh, first of all, that's actually a great insight and that's absolutely one great insight and that's absolutely one great insight and that's absolutely one of the two pieces of the benefit of cold of the two pieces of the benefit of cold of the two pieces of the benefit of cold plunge. So, uh, it turns out that our plunge. So, uh, it turns out that our plunge. So, uh, it turns out that our bodies bodies bodies want to preserve a dopamine homeostasis, want to preserve a dopamine homeostasis, want to preserve a dopamine homeostasis, which just means a balance. So anytime which just means a balance. So anytime which just means a balance. So anytime we have something that induces a little we have something that induces a little we have something that induces a little bit of discomfort, the body will try to bit of discomfort, the body will try to bit of discomfort, the body will try to compensate by making more of the sort of compensate by making more of the sort of compensate by making more of the sort of positive neurotransmitters, including positive neurotransmitters, including positive neurotransmitters, including dopamine. dopamine. dopamine. >> And that's why exercise, by the way, the >> And that's why exercise, by the way, the >> And that's why exercise, by the way, the pain you experience when you go out for pain you experience when you go out for pain you experience when you go out for a hard run. So, so, so cold immersion a hard run. So, so, so cold immersion a hard run. So, so, so cold immersion has been demonstrated to improve mood, has been demonstrated to improve mood, has been demonstrated to improve mood, although it turns out not in everybody. although it turns out not in everybody. although it turns out not in everybody. So there are a subset of people who just So there are a subset of people who just So there are a subset of people who just experienced angry experienced angry experienced angry >> and they don't get any of the positive >> and they don't get any of the positive >> and they don't get any of the positive from it. from it. from it. >> So you get nothing when you hop out. >> So you get nothing when you hop out. >> So you get nothing when you hop out. >> I don't like cold plunging. I get out >> I don't like cold plunging. I get out >> I don't like cold plunging. I get out and I go I'm cold. My feet are my feet and I go I'm cold. My feet are my feet and I go I'm cold. My feet are my feet are tingly and as that's it. are tingly and as that's it. are tingly and as that's it. >> But I do love saunas.

06:00>> But I do love saunas. >> But I do love saunas. >> So and we we'll talk about sauna in a >> So and we we'll talk about sauna in a >> So and we we'll talk about sauna in a second. The other thing that cold plunge second. The other thing that cold plunge second. The other thing that cold plunge does is it reduces inflammation. And does is it reduces inflammation. And does is it reduces inflammation. And there are times when that's a good thing there are times when that's a good thing there are times when that's a good thing to do and there's times when you don't to do and there's times when you don't to do and there's times when you don't want to do that. So it turns out if your want to do that. So it turns out if your want to do that. So it turns out if your ex if your goal of resistance training ex if your goal of resistance training ex if your goal of resistance training is to add muscle mass, you actually is to add muscle mass, you actually is to add muscle mass, you actually don't want to get into a cold plunge don't want to get into a cold plunge don't want to get into a cold plunge after after after >> because the inflammation is actually >> because the inflammation is actually >> because the inflammation is actually bringing blood to those. bringing blood to those. bringing blood to those. >> Well, the inflammation is part of the >> Well, the inflammation is part of the >> Well, the inflammation is part of the repair process and it's the repair repair process and it's the repair repair process and it's the repair process that adds size and strength. So process that adds size and strength. So process that adds size and strength. So um if a person is saying, hey, I want a um if a person is saying, hey, I want a um if a person is saying, hey, I want a cold plunge, but I'm also I don't want cold plunge, but I'm also I don't want cold plunge, but I'm also I don't want it to interfere with my strength it to interfere with my strength it to interfere with my strength training, then they they kind of have training, then they they kind of have training, then they they kind of have to, you know, we don't know exactly how to, you know, we don't know exactly how to, you know, we don't know exactly how much separation, but I would say like much separation, but I would say like much separation, but I would say like don't do it on the day of. you know, to don't do it on the day of. you know, to don't do it on the day of. you know, to be safe. be safe. be safe. >> So, it shouldn't be this like religious >> So, it shouldn't be this like religious >> So, it shouldn't be this like religious thing that people are doing every single thing that people are doing every single thing that people are doing every single day. day. day. >> I mean, I don't think anything should be >> I mean, I don't think anything should be >> I mean, I don't think anything should be a religious thing we're doing every day, a religious thing we're doing every day, a religious thing we're doing every day, but if you're doing it every day but if you're doing it every day but if you're doing it every day thinking it's going to make you thinking it's going to make you thinking it's going to make you whatever, give you immortality, whatever, give you immortality, whatever, give you immortality, it's not. And if you're doing it every it's not. And if you're doing it every it's not. And if you're doing it every day, then it might have some negative day, then it might have some negative day, then it might have some negative consequences, certainly with respect to

07:00consequences, certainly with respect to consequences, certainly with respect to resistance training. Um, but again, for resistance training. Um, but again, for resistance training. Um, but again, for some people, like for me, the mood some people, like for me, the mood some people, like for me, the mood effect is really profound. effect is really profound. effect is really profound. >> Oh, it's amazing. I I absolutely love >> Oh, it's amazing. I I absolutely love >> Oh, it's amazing. I I absolutely love cold plunging. cold plunging. cold plunging. >> Yeah. Get in an argument with your wife, >> Yeah. Get in an argument with your wife, >> Yeah. Get in an argument with your wife, hop in a cold plunge, get out, you're hop in a cold plunge, get out, you're hop in a cold plunge, get out, you're like, "My marriage is perfect." like, "My marriage is perfect." like, "My marriage is perfect." >> What were we even arguing about? >> What were we even arguing about? >> What were we even arguing about? >> So, yeah. No, I think I think um and the >> So, yeah. No, I think I think um and the >> So, yeah. No, I think I think um and the other thing that's a little frustrating other thing that's a little frustrating other thing that's a little frustrating is nobody knows the exact dose response. is nobody knows the exact dose response. is nobody knows the exact dose response. So, like So, like So, like >> like how long you should be >> like how long you should be >> like how long you should be >> and what temperature, right? So, >> and what temperature, right? So, >> and what temperature, right? So, >> it just feels like we're competing to go >> it just feels like we're competing to go >> it just feels like we're competing to go colder. colder. colder. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like Joe just calls me a [ __ ] every >> Like Joe just calls me a [ __ ] every >> Like Joe just calls me a [ __ ] every time. I'm like, "Dude, it's if it's not time. I'm like, "Dude, it's if it's not time. I'm like, "Dude, it's if it's not 60°, I'm not getting in that [ __ ] 60°, I'm not getting in that [ __ ] 60°, I'm not getting in that [ __ ] thing." But I do feel like guys are thing." But I do feel like guys are thing." But I do feel like guys are going, "Okay, I could be at 37." Dove going, "Okay, I could be at 37." Dove going, "Okay, I could be at 37." Dove was trying to be at I forget what it was trying to be at I forget what it was trying to be at I forget what it was, maybe 45 for 2 minutes. But if was, maybe 45 for 2 minutes. But if was, maybe 45 for 2 minutes. But if you're not really getting any different you're not really getting any different you're not really getting any different Yeah. I mean, I think I I've tried to Yeah. I mean, I think I I've tried to Yeah. I mean, I think I I've tried to figure this out so many which ways. figure this out so many which ways. figure this out so many which ways. Actually, this would be a great question Actually, this would be a great question Actually, this would be a great question for me to put to one of the research AI for me to put to one of the research AI for me to put to one of the research AI engines and see if they can just pull engines and see if they can just pull engines and see if they can just pull all the data because a lot of the all the data because a lot of the all the data because a lot of the studies will do long immersion at studies will do long immersion at studies will do long immersion at modestly cold temperatures. So, 55° for

08:00modestly cold temperatures. So, 55° for modestly cold temperatures. So, 55° for 30 minutes, right? 30 minutes, right? 30 minutes, right? >> But I don't want to take 30 minutes. I'm >> But I don't want to take 30 minutes. I'm >> But I don't want to take 30 minutes. I'm not going to do that. So, I got it's got not going to do that. So, I got it's got not going to do that. So, I got it's got to be colder. Yeah. to be colder. Yeah. to be colder. Yeah. >> So, I I mean I don't I don't have the >> So, I I mean I don't I don't have the >> So, I I mean I don't I don't have the answer. I do 42° for 10 minutes. answer. I do 42° for 10 minutes. answer. I do 42° for 10 minutes. >> You're in there for 10 minutes. >> You're in there for 10 minutes. >> You're in there for 10 minutes. >> Yeah. And I mean I don't know. Is that >> Yeah. And I mean I don't know. Is that >> Yeah. And I mean I don't know. Is that better than doing 35° for 5 minutes? I better than doing 35° for 5 minutes? I better than doing 35° for 5 minutes? I have no idea. Um but the reason I can't have no idea. Um but the reason I can't have no idea. Um but the reason I can't keep it at 35 is my wife won't get in keep it at 35 is my wife won't get in keep it at 35 is my wife won't get in it. And so then I'm just going to be it. And so then I'm just going to be it. And so then I'm just going to be turning the temperature up and down and turning the temperature up and down and turning the temperature up and down and up and down. So 42 is about the lower up and down. So 42 is about the lower up and down. So 42 is about the lower limit that she'll put her legs in. She limit that she'll put her legs in. She limit that she'll put her legs in. She won't she won't sit in that. won't she won't sit in that. won't she won't sit in that. >> Go in together. >> Go in together. >> Go in together. >> Yeah. But she'll stand in it and I'll >> Yeah. But she'll stand in it and I'll >> Yeah. But she'll stand in it and I'll immerse like I'll go to my neck. immerse like I'll go to my neck. immerse like I'll go to my neck. >> I mean, you don't got to call her a >> I mean, you don't got to call her a >> I mean, you don't got to call her a [ __ ] You know what I mean? [ __ ] You know what I mean? [ __ ] You know what I mean? We could just thought she was into her We could just thought she was into her We could just thought she was into her neck, too. So, wait. So, you're both in. neck, too. So, wait. So, you're both in. neck, too. So, wait. So, you're both in. What are you doing for that for those 10 What are you doing for that for those 10 What are you doing for that for those 10 minutes? Are you like minutes? Are you like minutes? Are you like >> First of all, she will not even put her >> First of all, she will not even put her >> First of all, she will not even put her legs in for 10 minutes. So, she'll be legs in for 10 minutes. So, she'll be legs in for 10 minutes. So, she'll be like, "All right, I'm done with this. like, "All right, I'm done with this. like, "All right, I'm done with this. I'm I'm I'm going to go someplace else." I'm I'm I'm going to go someplace else." I'm I'm I'm going to go someplace else." >> But do you get any benefit out of just >> But do you get any benefit out of just >> But do you get any benefit out of just putting like putting like putting like >> Yeah. Yeah, you do. I think for her, cuz >> Yeah. Yeah, you do. I think for her, cuz >> Yeah. Yeah, you do. I think for her, cuz she's a runner, like she makes your life she's a runner, like she makes your life she's a runner, like she makes your life uncomfortable. uncomfortable. uncomfortable. >> She wants to, you know, she wants to, >> She wants to, you know, she wants to, >> She wants to, you know, she wants to, you know, she goes for a long run, she you know, she goes for a long run, she you know, she goes for a long run, she loves to get in there after. And uh just

09:00loves to get in there after. And uh just loves to get in there after. And uh just for for for >> you get the inflammation upper legs. >> you get the inflammation upper legs. >> you get the inflammation upper legs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I I I want to go into your background a >> I I I want to go into your background a >> I I I want to go into your background a little bit because I think your little bit because I think your little bit because I think your background is very interesting and then background is very interesting and then background is very interesting and then I want to go into all these different I want to go into all these different I want to go into all these different version. We would call them like and I version. We would call them like and I version. We would call them like and I don't want to be reductive but like don't want to be reductive but like don't want to be reductive but like health hacks, life hacks, bio hacks. Do health hacks, life hacks, bio hacks. Do health hacks, life hacks, bio hacks. Do you like do you not like that term hack? you like do you not like that term hack? you like do you not like that term hack? >> I don't. >> I don't. >> I don't. >> We in in comedy we hate that term. It's >> We in in comedy we hate that term. It's >> We in in comedy we hate that term. It's like it's the worst term for anything like it's the worst term for anything like it's the worst term for anything that has to do with comedy. So uh that has to do with comedy. So uh that has to do with comedy. So uh benefits or whatever you want to replace benefits or whatever you want to replace benefits or whatever you want to replace with it. But um but your life is quite with it. But um but your life is quite with it. But um but your life is quite interesting. So your parents are from interesting. So your parents are from interesting. So your parents are from Egypt. They moved to Toronto. Yep. Egypt. They moved to Toronto. Yep. Egypt. They moved to Toronto. Yep. >> You were born in Toronto. >> You were born in Toronto. >> You were born in Toronto. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> You want to be a boxer. >> You want to be a boxer. >> You want to be a boxer. >> How do you How does that even happen >> How do you How does that even happen >> How do you How does that even happen where you're training and you decide you where you're training and you decide you where you're training and you decide you want to be a boxer? And how supportive want to be a boxer? And how supportive want to be a boxer? And how supportive of your Egyptian parents who of your Egyptian parents who of your Egyptian parents who >> immigrant parents >> immigrant parents >> immigrant parents >> who see this clearly brilliant young man >> who see this clearly brilliant young man >> who see this clearly brilliant young man who's doing great in school, I imagine. who's doing great in school, I imagine. who's doing great in school, I imagine. And And And >> I wasn't, but >> I wasn't, but >> I wasn't, but >> Oh, really? No. >> Oh, really? No. >> Oh, really? No. >> Yeah. He's getting punched in the head >> Yeah. He's getting punched in the head >> Yeah. He's getting punched in the head every day. every day. every day. >> Yeah, maybe that's part of it. So, so >> Yeah, maybe that's part of it. So, so >> Yeah, maybe that's part of it. So, so boxing, where does boxing boxing, where does boxing boxing, where does boxing >> So, so it all it all happened um in >> So, so it all it all happened um in >> So, so it all it all happened um in April of 1985.

10:00April of 1985. April of 1985. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> When Marvelous Marvin Hegler and Tommy >> When Marvelous Marvin Hegler and Tommy >> When Marvelous Marvin Hegler and Tommy Hearn's fight, Hearn's fight, Hearn's fight, >> the the greatest fight to this day that >> the the greatest fight to this day that >> the the greatest fight to this day that I've ever seen. I've ever seen. I've ever seen. >> That opening round, bro. >> That opening round, bro. >> That opening round, bro. >> Yeah. Yeah. The most violent >> Yeah. Yeah. The most violent >> Yeah. Yeah. The most violent >> violent three minutes of boxing ever. >> violent three minutes of boxing ever. >> violent three minutes of boxing ever. >> I think Hearns breaks his his right hand >> I think Hearns breaks his his right hand >> I think Hearns breaks his his right hand on Haggler's head. Hegler's head is the on Haggler's head. Hegler's head is the on Haggler's head. Hegler's head is the hardest head in the history of the hardest head in the history of the hardest head in the history of the sport. sport. sport. >> And uh >> And uh >> And uh >> his defense was just walking straight in >> his defense was just walking straight in >> his defense was just walking straight in with his head for like juggernaut. It's with his head for like juggernaut. It's with his head for like juggernaut. It's amazing. amazing. amazing. >> Yeah. And you have to remember, I mean, >> Yeah. And you have to remember, I mean, >> Yeah. And you have to remember, I mean, you know this cuz you're a big boxing you know this cuz you're a big boxing you know this cuz you're a big boxing fan. Nobody fan. Nobody fan. Nobody expected that. Like you just didn't expected that. Like you just didn't expected that. Like you just didn't think you thought like Heaggler was think you thought like Heaggler was think you thought like Heaggler was going to counter punch. Hegler was going going to counter punch. Hegler was going going to counter punch. Hegler was going to try to take him the distance. Nope. to try to take him the distance. Nope. to try to take him the distance. Nope. He was like, "Nope, He was like, "Nope, He was like, "Nope, >> I'm walking through you. >> I'm walking through you. >> I'm walking through you. >> I'm walking right through you." And >> I'm walking right through you." And >> I'm walking right through you." And Hearns won the first round. Hearns won the first round. Hearns won the first round. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> any other person would have been done >> any other person would have been done >> any other person would have been done that no human at 160 pounds could have that no human at 160 pounds could have that no human at 160 pounds could have survived that fight. survived that fight. survived that fight. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And uh and yeah, there was just >> And uh and yeah, there was just >> And uh and yeah, there was just something about that that just I don't

11:00something about that that just I don't something about that that just I don't know why like I'm watching that and I'm know why like I'm watching that and I'm know why like I'm watching that and I'm thinking I want to be that guy. thinking I want to be that guy. thinking I want to be that guy. >> Was your dad a big boxing fan? >> Was your dad a big boxing fan? >> Was your dad a big boxing fan? >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> And I just was like, I want to be that >> And I just was like, I want to be that >> And I just was like, I want to be that guy. Marvin Hegler, that's the one I guy. Marvin Hegler, that's the one I guy. Marvin Hegler, that's the one I want to be. want to be. want to be. >> What What >> What What >> What What >> Cuz he just stalked him. >> Cuz he just stalked him. >> Cuz he just stalked him. >> Yeah. I was like, he's >> Yeah. I was like, he's >> Yeah. I was like, he's >> cuz I realized like he wasn't and then >> cuz I realized like he wasn't and then >> cuz I realized like he wasn't and then of course as I became obsessed with of course as I became obsessed with of course as I became obsessed with Heaggler and began to learn everything Heaggler and began to learn everything Heaggler and began to learn everything about him retroactively and I realized about him retroactively and I realized about him retroactively and I realized like he's the guy that I want to be like he's the guy that I want to be like he's the guy that I want to be because he's not the biggest, he's not because he's not the biggest, he's not because he's not the biggest, he's not the strongest, he's not the fastest, the strongest, he's not the fastest, the strongest, he's not the fastest, he's not the best at anything, but in he's not the best at anything, but in he's not the best at anything, but in aggregate he is the best. aggregate he is the best. aggregate he is the best. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he's the best because his will is >> And he's the best because his will is >> And he's the best because his will is >> his will is second to none. And um and >> his will is second to none. And um and >> his will is second to none. And um and he Oh, the other thing is he Oh, the other thing is he Oh, the other thing is >> most boxers don't stay in shape all >> most boxers don't stay in shape all >> most boxers don't stay in shape all year. They kind of year. They kind of year. They kind of >> he was committed. >> he was committed. >> he was committed. >> He never got out of shape. So training >> He never got out of shape. So training >> He never got out of shape. So training camp was just finishing school. camp was just finishing school. camp was just finishing school. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Which is also tough on the body. I mean, >> Which is also tough on the body. I mean, >> Which is also tough on the body. I mean, we can get into that. Like sometimes you we can get into that. Like sometimes you we can get into that. Like sometimes you need a break for the intensity that need a break for the intensity that need a break for the intensity that these guys train. these guys train. these guys train. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I really regret when he was inducted >> I really regret when he was inducted >> I really regret when he was inducted into the boxing hall of fame. I really into the boxing hall of fame. I really into the boxing hall of fame. I really regret that I didn't go as like a fan regret that I didn't go as like a fan regret that I didn't go as like a fan just to see it cuz you know, of course, just to see it cuz you know, of course, just to see it cuz you know, of course, he died in 2020 or 2021. Died too young.

12:00he died in 2020 or 2021. Died too young. he died in 2020 or 2021. Died too young. >> He's like Hag. Now we're going deep cut. >> He's like Hag. Now we're going deep cut. >> He's like Hag. Now we're going deep cut. Haggler was so fascinating cuz he quits Haggler was so fascinating cuz he quits Haggler was so fascinating cuz he quits boxing I believe after the Leonard boxing I believe after the Leonard boxing I believe after the Leonard fight. fight. fight. >> Yep. He wanted a rematch. Leonard >> Yep. He wanted a rematch. Leonard >> Yep. He wanted a rematch. Leonard wouldn't give it to him. He basically wouldn't give it to him. He basically wouldn't give it to him. He basically just got pissed and moved to Italy and just got pissed and moved to Italy and just got pissed and moved to Italy and started making movies. started making movies. started making movies. >> He becomes a movie star in Italy. >> He becomes a movie star in Italy. >> He becomes a movie star in Italy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's like the first black guy in Italy >> He's like the first black guy in Italy >> He's like the first black guy in Italy and then he just becomes a movie star. and then he just becomes a movie star. and then he just becomes a movie star. So, have you seen any of Haggler's? So, have you seen any of Haggler's? So, have you seen any of Haggler's? >> This is a real fan. >> This is a real fan. >> This is a real fan. >> How's How's the acting? >> How's How's the acting? >> How's How's the acting? >> It's not that great. >> It's not that great. >> It's not that great. >> Definitely a better boxer. Fair enough. >> Definitely a better boxer. Fair enough. >> Definitely a better boxer. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, that's interesting Fair enough. Yeah, that's interesting Fair enough. Yeah, that's interesting that Leonard wouldn't give him another that Leonard wouldn't give him another that Leonard wouldn't give him another shot because Leonard wasn't a scared shot because Leonard wasn't a scared shot because Leonard wasn't a scared fighter. fighter. fighter. >> No, I think Leonard Look, I I did give >> No, I think Leonard Look, I I did give >> No, I think Leonard Look, I I did give that decision to Leonard or that decision to Leonard or that decision to Leonard or >> No. 115 113 Hegler. >> No. 115 113 Hegler. >> No. 115 113 Hegler. >> I think >> I think >> I think >> I've watched him fight a 100 times. >> I've watched him fight a 100 times. >> I've watched him fight a 100 times. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um I hated Leonard when I was growing >> Um I hated Leonard when I was growing >> Um I hated Leonard when I was growing up. Despised him. Couldn't stand him. up. Despised him. Couldn't stand him. up. Despised him. Couldn't stand him. Like and then when he got that decision Like and then when he got that decision Like and then when he got that decision against uh Haggler, I thought it was the against uh Haggler, I thought it was the against uh Haggler, I thought it was the most disgusting thing ever. I will say

13:00most disgusting thing ever. I will say most disgusting thing ever. I will say this today my respect for Leonard is this today my respect for Leonard is this today my respect for Leonard is enormous. Like now I look back and I enormous. Like now I look back and I enormous. Like now I look back and I think like my god was that guy special. think like my god was that guy special. think like my god was that guy special. >> Unbelievable. And he fought a really >> Unbelievable. And he fought a really >> Unbelievable. And he fought a really strategic fight against Haggler. Like he strategic fight against Haggler. Like he strategic fight against Haggler. Like he avoided that kind of contact. Tommy was avoided that kind of contact. Tommy was avoided that kind of contact. Tommy was like, "I'm going to knock you out." And like, "I'm going to knock you out." And like, "I'm going to knock you out." And why would you not think that? You're why would you not think that? You're why would you not think that? You're knocking everybody out. knocking everybody out. knocking everybody out. >> And Leonard was like, "I'm going to wait >> And Leonard was like, "I'm going to wait >> And Leonard was like, "I'm going to wait till the last 30 seconds of the round. till the last 30 seconds of the round. till the last 30 seconds of the round. My corner's going to yell and I'm going My corner's going to yell and I'm going My corner's going to yell and I'm going to start swinging and if it lands, it to start swinging and if it lands, it to start swinging and if it lands, it lands. If it doesn't, but I think I can lands. If it doesn't, but I think I can lands. If it doesn't, but I think I can steal rounds." And I think he did a good steal rounds." And I think he did a good steal rounds." And I think he did a good job of that. job of that. job of that. >> Yeah. I think in retrospect I mean as >> Yeah. I think in retrospect I mean as >> Yeah. I think in retrospect I mean as you probably know all of this but Hegler you probably know all of this but Hegler you probably know all of this but Hegler sold the fight right so he in exchange sold the fight right so he in exchange sold the fight right so he in exchange Hegler demanded a higher purse than Hegler demanded a higher purse than Hegler demanded a higher purse than Leonard this was a very important thing Leonard this was a very important thing Leonard this was a very important thing to Hegler's ego because you know Hegler to Hegler's ego because you know Hegler to Hegler's ego because you know Hegler remember no Olympic glory he toils in remember no Olympic glory he toils in remember no Olympic glory he toils in obscurity for a decade nobody knows who obscurity for a decade nobody knows who obscurity for a decade nobody knows who he is before he's finally a champion and he is before he's finally a champion and he is before he's finally a champion and Leonard the golden boy I mean he's livid Leonard the golden boy I mean he's livid Leonard the golden boy I mean he's livid with how this guy had everything handed with how this guy had everything handed with how this guy had everything handed to him right to him right to him right >> so the point of pride for Hegler was, >> so the point of pride for Hegler was, >> so the point of pride for Hegler was, I'm going to make more money in this

14:00I'm going to make more money in this I'm going to make more money in this side. side. side. >> Yeah. I'm getting more money. >> Yeah. I'm getting more money. >> Yeah. I'm getting more money. >> And to do that, he traded three things. >> And to do that, he traded three things. >> And to do that, he traded three things. He traded duration. He traded duration. He traded duration. >> What do you mean? >> What do you mean? >> What do you mean? >> This was back in the day when the IBF >> This was back in the day when the IBF >> This was back in the day when the IBF still sanctioned 15 round fights. still sanctioned 15 round fights. still sanctioned 15 round fights. >> Oh, so he What did they make? >> Oh, so he What did they make? >> Oh, so he What did they make? >> He sold down to 12. >> He sold down to 12. >> He sold down to 12. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Ring size 24 down to 20. >> Ring size 24 down to 20. >> Ring size 24 down to 20. >> Right. Glove size, >> Right. Glove size, >> Right. Glove size, >> which I don't think was a benefit to him >> which I don't think was a benefit to him >> which I don't think was a benefit to him to have a smaller ring. to have a smaller ring. to have a smaller ring. >> It was a It was a Sorry. Sorry. He >> It was a It was a Sorry. Sorry. He >> It was a It was a Sorry. Sorry. He traded bigger rings. He went up. Yeah. traded bigger rings. He went up. Yeah. traded bigger rings. He went up. Yeah. Trade up. Sorry. Yeah. Trade up. Sorry. Yeah. Trade up. Sorry. Yeah. >> He traded up in ring size and he traded >> He traded up in ring size and he traded >> He traded up in ring size and he traded up in glove size. up in glove size. up in glove size. >> The glove size is I mean >> The glove size is I mean >> The glove size is I mean >> the glove size is is huge. >> the glove size is is huge. >> the glove size is is huge. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then on top of that he came out and >> And then on top of that he came out and >> And then on top of that he came out and boxed orthodox for the first boxed orthodox for the first boxed orthodox for the first >> thought he could trick him. That just a >> thought he could trick him. That just a >> thought he could trick him. That just a bad decision just like bad decision just like bad decision just like >> he just it was a it was a series of >> he just it was a it was a series of >> he just it was a it was a series of blunders blunders blunders >> and still whatever from watching it I I >> and still whatever from watching it I I >> and still whatever from watching it I I had him winning but again close fight. had him winning but again close fight. had him winning but again close fight. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So then from that day you start boxing. >> So then from that day you start boxing. >> So then from that day you start boxing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So and then the parents go what >> Okay. So and then the parents go what >> Okay. So and then the parents go what what is this stupid little hobby? what is this stupid little hobby? what is this stupid little hobby? >> Yeah. They were just, you know, this is >> Yeah. They were just, you know, this is >> Yeah. They were just, you know, this is an awful awful, you know, I think they an awful awful, you know, I think they an awful awful, you know, I think they were wisely mindful of like, but you get

15:00were wisely mindful of like, but you get were wisely mindful of like, but you get hit in the head, right? You come home hit in the head, right? You come home hit in the head, right? You come home with black eyes. Yeah. Uh, I think it, with black eyes. Yeah. Uh, I think it, with black eyes. Yeah. Uh, I think it, you know, it be So, how old was I? I you know, it be So, how old was I? I you know, it be So, how old was I? I trying to think. I guess 13. Yeah. 12, trying to think. I guess 13. Yeah. 12, trying to think. I guess 13. Yeah. 12, 13. I think by the time I was in high 13. I think by the time I was in high 13. I think by the time I was in high school, it was probably a bit more of a school, it was probably a bit more of a school, it was probably a bit more of a concern because, you know, I didn't want concern because, you know, I didn't want concern because, you know, I didn't want to go to college. I didn't like school. to go to college. I didn't like school. to go to college. I didn't like school. So, they were definitely concerned. So, they were definitely concerned. So, they were definitely concerned. >> Hello everyone in Dubai. Andrew Schultz >> Hello everyone in Dubai. Andrew Schultz >> Hello everyone in Dubai. Andrew Schultz here. It's come to my attention that the here. It's come to my attention that the here. It's come to my attention that the Chimachis have been acting up again. Chimachis have been acting up again. Chimachis have been acting up again. Yeah, looks like they might need another Yeah, looks like they might need another Yeah, looks like they might need another talking to. So, I've spoken to my talking to. So, I've spoken to my talking to. So, I've spoken to my podcast co-host and we've decided to podcast co-host and we've decided to podcast co-host and we've decided to take our talents back to the Emirates to take our talents back to the Emirates to take our talents back to the Emirates to give another spanking to those VTEC give another spanking to those VTEC give another spanking to those VTEC driving naughty little rascals. We're driving naughty little rascals. We're driving naughty little rascals. We're going to be going out there. We're going going to be going out there. We're going going to be going out there. We're going to be doing some standup, maybe a little to be doing some standup, maybe a little to be doing some standup, maybe a little live podcast action at the Coca-Cola live podcast action at the Coca-Cola live podcast action at the Coca-Cola Arena October 7th. We'll see you all Arena October 7th. We'll see you all Arena October 7th. We'll see you all there. Very excited to try that Dubai there. Very excited to try that Dubai there. Very excited to try that Dubai chocolate. And no, I don't mean when a chocolate. And no, I don't mean when a chocolate. And no, I don't mean when a prince shits on a hooker's chest. I'm prince shits on a hooker's chest. I'm prince shits on a hooker's chest. I'm talking about the actual chocolate. So talking about the actual chocolate. So talking about the actual chocolate. So don't get your ideas whirling and

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18:00changed the course of my life forever. changed the course of my life forever. He goes, "You know, I just think it He goes, "You know, I just think it He goes, "You know, I just think it would be a mistake if you didn't go would be a mistake if you didn't go would be a mistake if you didn't go because you'd be um because you'd be um because you'd be um you know, you you have a gift for for you know, you you have a gift for for you know, you you have a gift for for math that I don't think you realize. And math that I don't think you realize. And math that I don't think you realize. And if you um if you if you don't pursue it, if you um if you if you don't pursue it, if you um if you if you don't pursue it, you'll never you'll never find out. And you'll never you'll never find out. And you'll never you'll never find out. And I think you could you could do really I think you could you could do really I think you could you could do really you could do some good things doing you could do some good things doing you could do some good things doing that. And and that I don't know why that. And and that I don't know why that. And and that I don't know why there was something about Woody saying there was something about Woody saying there was something about Woody saying that that really changed everything and that that really changed everything and that that really changed everything and I really gave it thought and I really I really gave it thought and I really I really gave it thought and I really decided to come back for that extra year decided to come back for that extra year decided to come back for that extra year of high school and then uh you know of high school and then uh you know of high school and then uh you know follow in his footsteps actually. So follow in his footsteps actually. So follow in his footsteps actually. So then I went on to do math and then I went on to do math and then I went on to do math and engineering in undergrad which is what engineering in undergrad which is what engineering in undergrad which is what he had done. he had done. he had done. >> He was an engineer as well. >> He was an engineer as well. >> He was an engineer as well. >> Could you get into a school like >> Could you get into a school like >> Could you get into a school like Stanford with just one good high school? Stanford with just one good high school? Stanford with just one good high school? for undergrad. Um I went to school in for undergrad. Um I went to school in for undergrad. Um I went to school in Canada. Got it. Canada. Got it. Canada. Got it. >> And then I went to Stanford for med >> And then I went to Stanford for med >> And then I went to Stanford for med school. school. school. >> Got it. And this is when do you become >> Got it. And this is when do you become >> Got it. And this is when do you become surgeon? surgeon? surgeon? >> Uh after medical school. Then you apply >> Uh after medical school. Then you apply >> Uh after medical school. Then you apply to do these to do this thing called a to do these to do this thing called a to do these to do this thing called a residency where you then apply all over residency where you then apply all over residency where you then apply all over again and you apply to all these again and you apply to all these again and you apply to all these hospitals and you decide what you're you hospitals and you decide what you're you hospitals and you decide what you're you decide what you want to do and where you decide what you want to do and where you decide what you want to do and where you want to do it. want to do it. want to do it. >> Okay. At what point in time do you >> Okay. At what point in time do you >> Okay. At what point in time do you realize you're pre-diabetic? Cuz the

19:00realize you're pre-diabetic? Cuz the realize you're pre-diabetic? Cuz the lore in your life is so fascinating. lore in your life is so fascinating. lore in your life is so fascinating. Like you could have been punch drunk Like you could have been punch drunk Like you could have been punch drunk then you skipped out of that because of then you skipped out of that because of then you skipped out of that because of Captain Jack Sparrow or whatever his Captain Jack Sparrow or whatever his Captain Jack Sparrow or whatever his name is. And then and then you go and name is. And then and then you go and name is. And then and then you go and you become an engineer, mathematician, you become an engineer, mathematician, you become an engineer, mathematician, then you decide to become a surgeon. then you decide to become a surgeon. then you decide to become a surgeon. There's also some health issues which I There's also some health issues which I There's also some health issues which I think think think >> shift the course of your life. >> shift the course of your life. >> shift the course of your life. >> It was around the time I swam the >> It was around the time I swam the >> It was around the time I swam the Catalina Channel. Catalina Channel. Catalina Channel. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Catalina Channel is Los Angeles. There's >> Catalina Channel is Los Angeles. There's >> Catalina Channel is Los Angeles. There's an island off of Los Angeles 20 miles an island off of Los Angeles 20 miles an island off of Los Angeles 20 miles away, let's say, around away, let's say, around away, let's say, around >> depending on what part you swim to. >> depending on what part you swim to. >> depending on what part you swim to. Yeah. The closest point's like 21 miles, Yeah. The closest point's like 21 miles, Yeah. The closest point's like 21 miles, >> right? And you willingly chose it wasn't >> right? And you willingly chose it wasn't >> right? And you willingly chose it wasn't some sort of punishment that you had to some sort of punishment that you had to some sort of punishment that you had to do. You decided to keep Alcatra. do. You decided to keep Alcatra. do. You decided to keep Alcatra. >> That's what it feels like. >> That's what it feels like. >> That's what it feels like. >> So, okay. So you find out that you're >> So, okay. So you find out that you're >> So, okay. So you find out that you're pre-diabetic. Pre-diabetic, this is not pre-diabetic. Pre-diabetic, this is not pre-diabetic. Pre-diabetic, this is not like uh based on diets. This is not like uh based on diets. This is not like uh based on diets. This is not based on lifestyle, right? This is based on lifestyle, right? This is based on lifestyle, right? This is genetic. genetic. genetic. >> No, I mean I think it was uh you know, >> No, I mean I think it was uh you know, >> No, I mean I think it was uh you know, again, I kind of look back at those days again, I kind of look back at those days again, I kind of look back at those days and I think there were probably a lot of and I think there were probably a lot of and I think there were probably a lot of contributing factors. I was pro I think contributing factors. I was pro I think contributing factors. I was pro I think my diet was my diet was my diet was >> a little too carbheavy for my own good >> a little too carbheavy for my own good >> a little too carbheavy for my own good despite the fact that I was swimming 28 despite the fact that I was swimming 28 despite the fact that I was swimming 28 hours a week. hours a week. hours a week. >> You were just eating kosher every night

20:00>> You were just eating kosher every night >> You were just eating kosher every night or what? or what? or what? >> What was I eating? Like I mean I was >> What was I eating? Like I mean I was >> What was I eating? Like I mean I was like eating. like eating. like eating. >> Do you know what that is? The Egyptian >> Do you know what that is? The Egyptian >> Do you know what that is? The Egyptian dish. Oh, ask your parents about kosher. dish. Oh, ask your parents about kosher. dish. Oh, ask your parents about kosher. Yeah. Um I I was you know drinking too Yeah. Um I I was you know drinking too Yeah. Um I I was you know drinking too much Gatorade probably not sleeping much Gatorade probably not sleeping much Gatorade probably not sleeping enough for sure. I definitely wasn't enough for sure. I definitely wasn't enough for sure. I definitely wasn't sleeping enough and and sleep um uh not sleeping enough and and sleep um uh not sleeping enough and and sleep um uh not sleeping plays a huge risk factor in in sleeping plays a huge risk factor in in sleeping plays a huge risk factor in in in diabetes. in diabetes. in diabetes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um so I think it was just kind of like a >> Um so I think it was just kind of like a >> Um so I think it was just kind of like a perfect storm of things. perfect storm of things. perfect storm of things. >> Okay. So you get >> Okay. So you get >> Okay. So you get >> and I was you know just overweight. >> and I was you know just overweight. >> and I was you know just overweight. >> Oh really? >> Oh really? >> Oh really? >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh wow. I imagine if you're swimming to >> Oh wow. I imagine if you're swimming to >> Oh wow. I imagine if you're swimming to Catalina Island you're just kind of Catalina Island you're just kind of Catalina Island you're just kind of ripped. So when do you like how how big ripped. So when do you like how how big ripped. So when do you like how how big were you? probably like 25 pounds were you? probably like 25 pounds were you? probably like 25 pounds heavier than I am now. heavier than I am now. heavier than I am now. >> Interesting. So, you're not you're not >> Interesting. So, you're not you're not >> Interesting. So, you're not you're not fat to the point where you're like, I'm fat to the point where you're like, I'm fat to the point where you're like, I'm gonna have a problem in my life. gonna have a problem in my life. gonna have a problem in my life. >> I mean, my wife famously said when I got >> I mean, my wife famously said when I got >> I mean, my wife famously said when I got off the boat, this was I think not the off the boat, this was I think not the off the boat, this was I think not the first time. This was the second time. first time. This was the second time. first time. This was the second time. You know what I'm about to say? You know what I'm about to say? You know what I'm about to say? >> Someone tried to feed you a fish. >> Someone tried to feed you a fish. >> Someone tried to feed you a fish. >> No, literally, I'm just ju This was >> No, literally, I'm just ju This was >> No, literally, I'm just ju This was after the swim that took 14 and 1/2 after the swim that took 14 and 1/2 after the swim that took 14 and 1/2 hours into the current. I get on the

21:00hours into the current. I get on the hours into the current. I get on the boat and she says, "You should work on boat and she says, "You should work on boat and she says, "You should work on being a little less, not thin." >> Wow. Wow. >> Wow. Wow. >> So, all of your research is really her >> So, all of your research is really her >> So, all of your research is really her credit. You know what I mean? She credit. You know what I mean? She credit. You know what I mean? She bullied you into this. bullied you into this. bullied you into this. >> She shamed me into it. >> She shamed me into it. >> She shamed me into it. >> Wow. Thank goodness. >> Wow. Thank goodness. >> Wow. Thank goodness. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I've got I wish I could find it, but >> I've got I wish I could find it, but >> I've got I wish I could find it, but someone took a picture of as she's someone took a picture of as she's someone took a picture of as she's saying that I got a Coke in one hand, a saying that I got a Coke in one hand, a saying that I got a Coke in one hand, a burger in the other, my bellies hanging burger in the other, my bellies hanging burger in the other, my bellies hanging out over my bathing suit. out over my bathing suit. out over my bathing suit. >> Wow. and she's like, "Yeah, congrats. >> Wow. and she's like, "Yeah, congrats. >> Wow. and she's like, "Yeah, congrats. But listen, let's let's work let's let's But listen, let's let's work let's let's But listen, let's let's work let's let's work on this thing more elliptical, you work on this thing more elliptical, you work on this thing more elliptical, you know." know." know." >> Okay. So then, so what happens when do >> Okay. So then, so what happens when do >> Okay. So then, so what happens when do you apply just from doing research on you apply just from doing research on you apply just from doing research on you and just kind of like talking to you and just kind of like talking to you and just kind of like talking to you, it seems like there's a very you, it seems like there's a very you, it seems like there's a very obsessive side of you and that if you obsessive side of you and that if you obsessive side of you and that if you can turn that obsessive thing into can turn that obsessive thing into can turn that obsessive thing into boxing with swimming to Catalina, boxing with swimming to Catalina, boxing with swimming to Catalina, whatever it is, once you lock in, you're whatever it is, once you lock in, you're whatever it is, once you lock in, you're locked the [ __ ] in. When do you lock the locked the [ __ ] in. When do you lock the locked the [ __ ] in. When do you lock the [ __ ] in on longevity? [ __ ] in on longevity? [ __ ] in on longevity? >> Um, around around that time. So my >> Um, around around that time. So my >> Um, around around that time. So my daughter is born in 2008

22:00daughter is born in 2008 daughter is born in 2008 and as you now know there I think and as you now know there I think and as you now know there I think there's just the most incredible thing there's just the most incredible thing there's just the most incredible thing happens to a guy when the child is born happens to a guy when the child is born happens to a guy when the child is born that at least for me didn't happen even that at least for me didn't happen even that at least for me didn't happen even at 20 cm dilated like you know I think at 20 cm dilated like you know I think at 20 cm dilated like you know I think for women they're becoming attached to for women they're becoming attached to for women they're becoming attached to that baby throughout the pregnancy that baby throughout the pregnancy that baby throughout the pregnancy >> and we're just like what is it? Yeah. We >> and we're just like what is it? Yeah. We >> and we're just like what is it? Yeah. We had this cat at the time that I was had this cat at the time that I was had this cat at the time that I was obsessed with and I my wife never lets obsessed with and I my wife never lets obsessed with and I my wife never lets me live this down. I would rout me live this down. I would rout me live this down. I would rout routinely say every night and our cat's routinely say every night and our cat's routinely say every night and our cat's name was Midnight. I was like I just I I name was Midnight. I was like I just I I name was Midnight. I was like I just I I hope I don't know but I hope I can love hope I don't know but I hope I can love hope I don't know but I hope I can love our daughter as much as I love our daughter as much as I love our daughter as much as I love but I loved Midnight like this. but I loved Midnight like this. but I loved Midnight like this. >> Midnight's awesome. >> Midnight's awesome. >> Midnight's awesome. >> This is the podcast. We need honest >> This is the podcast. We need honest >> This is the podcast. We need honest conversations between you and your wife. conversations between you and your wife. conversations between you and your wife. >> That's the podcast >> That's the podcast >> That's the podcast >> in a cold punches. >> in a cold punches. >> in a cold punches. I love midnight. I love midnight. I love midnight. >> Oh, I mean, we rescued this little >> Oh, I mean, we rescued this little >> Oh, I mean, we rescued this little alleycat in inner city Baltimore. I alleycat in inner city Baltimore. I alleycat in inner city Baltimore. I mean, she was so precious. And and so I mean, she was so precious. And and so I mean, she was so precious. And and so I was like,

23:00was like, was like, >> "Yeah." And so when like when my wife is >> "Yeah." And so when like when my wife is >> "Yeah." And so when like when my wife is in labor, in labor, in labor, >> I was like at my laptop in the side of >> I was like at my laptop in the side of >> I was like at my laptop in the side of the room building a model, doing work, the room building a model, doing work, the room building a model, doing work, and she's like, "You know, I'm having a and she's like, "You know, I'm having a and she's like, "You know, I'm having a baby over here." And I was like, "As baby over here." And I was like, "As baby over here." And I was like, "As soon as that baby's out, I will be soon as that baby's out, I will be soon as that baby's out, I will be there, but I have to get this stuff there, but I have to get this stuff there, but I have to get this stuff done." And again, I was just I just done." And again, I was just I just done." And again, I was just I just What? What? What? >> You're crazy. >> You're crazy. >> You're crazy. >> Her shot of you is totally justified. >> Her shot of you is totally justified. >> Her shot of you is totally justified. Totally justified. Now Totally justified. Now Totally justified. Now >> her dissat >> he's like, "Baby, breathe. Breathe. >> he's like, "Baby, breathe. Breathe. Breathe." Breathe." Breathe." >> Once that baby came out, there are a >> Once that baby came out, there are a >> Once that baby came out, there are a whole new set of genes that just get whole new set of genes that just get whole new set of genes that just get transcribed. transcribed. transcribed. >> And all of a sudden, I'm like, "Oh my >> And all of a sudden, I'm like, "Oh my >> And all of a sudden, I'm like, "Oh my god, I get it." And I I do wonder, does god, I get it." And I I do wonder, does god, I get it." And I I do wonder, does that happen to like would Bill Maher that happen to like would Bill Maher that happen to like would Bill Maher experience that? someone who so famously experience that? someone who so famously experience that? someone who so famously doesn't question doesn't question doesn't question >> and I think I think >> and I think I think >> and I think I think >> I think the answer is yes. I think there >> I think the answer is yes. I think there >> I think the answer is yes. I think there are certain people maybe they have a are certain people maybe they have a are certain people maybe they have a genetic disposition where they don't genetic disposition where they don't genetic disposition where they don't care. Maybe there's a little more care. Maybe there's a little more care. Maybe there's a little more sociopathy or whatever that's called.

24:00sociopathy or whatever that's called. sociopathy or whatever that's called. But I think assuming that Bill is just a But I think assuming that Bill is just a But I think assuming that Bill is just a regular guy like us. I think the same regular guy like us. I think the same regular guy like us. I think the same exact exact exact >> if you don't love your kids I mean it >> if you don't love your kids I mean it >> if you don't love your kids I mean it must be pathological like to a degree. I must be pathological like to a degree. I must be pathological like to a degree. I don't want to diagnose someone but it don't want to diagnose someone but it don't want to diagnose someone but it feels like there's something you know feels like there's something you know feels like there's something you know unhuman happening. Well, and I think unhuman happening. Well, and I think unhuman happening. Well, and I think this is an interesting uh guess for this is an interesting uh guess for this is an interesting uh guess for which I have no data, but just through which I have no data, but just through which I have no data, but just through the lens of evolution, I think it even the lens of evolution, I think it even the lens of evolution, I think it even makes sense for boys, for males to have makes sense for boys, for males to have makes sense for boys, for males to have this feeling greater than females. And this feeling greater than females. And this feeling greater than females. And here's why. here's why. here's why. >> If you think back to evolutionary times, >> If you think back to evolutionary times, >> If you think back to evolutionary times, right? You know, think back to 100,000 right? You know, think back to 100,000 right? You know, think back to 100,000 years ago. There was no ambiguity for years ago. There was no ambiguity for years ago. There was no ambiguity for the woman who her child is, the woman who her child is, the woman who her child is, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> She carried the child. >> She carried the child. >> She carried the child. >> Yep. The male does not know who his >> Yep. The male does not know who his >> Yep. The male does not know who his child is. child is. child is. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> So, there has to be some other switch. >> So, there has to be some other switch. >> So, there has to be some other switch. >> I'm just hoping they got it right. >> I'm just hoping they got it right. >> I'm just hoping they got it right. >> I'm looking at her every day like, I >> I'm looking at her every day like, I >> I'm looking at her every day like, I think that's me. think that's me. think that's me. >> So, I'm I'm I'm convinced that there's >> So, I'm I'm I'm convinced that there's >> So, I'm I'm I'm convinced that there's some other switch either through, you some other switch either through, you some other switch either through, you know, the smell of your kid or something know, the smell of your kid or something know, the smell of your kid or something that completely switches the mail on.

25:00that completely switches the mail on. that completely switches the mail on. So, he's like, "Yep, that one's mine." So, he's like, "Yep, that one's mine." So, he's like, "Yep, that one's mine." Like, no one gets to hurt that one. Like, no one gets to hurt that one. Like, no one gets to hurt that one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you felt that immediately? in I >> So, you felt that immediately? in I >> So, you felt that immediately? in I can't believe it. I can't believe how can't believe it. I can't believe how can't believe it. I can't believe how profound it was. profound it was. profound it was. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And to your question, sort of to your >> And to your question, sort of to your >> And to your question, sort of to your question that I've taken too long to question that I've taken too long to question that I've taken too long to answer. Um I think that was the moment answer. Um I think that was the moment answer. Um I think that was the moment when all of a sudden I was like, "Oh, when all of a sudden I was like, "Oh, when all of a sudden I was like, "Oh, you know, all this other [ __ ] I'm you know, all this other [ __ ] I'm you know, all this other [ __ ] I'm interested in, swimming and doing all interested in, swimming and doing all interested in, swimming and doing all these extreme things." Yeah, that these extreme things." Yeah, that these extreme things." Yeah, that doesn't really that doesn't interest me doesn't really that doesn't interest me doesn't really that doesn't interest me nearly as much. You know what really nearly as much. You know what really nearly as much. You know what really interests me is I would like to live interests me is I would like to live interests me is I would like to live long enough that I get to see her have a long enough that I get to see her have a long enough that I get to see her have a kid one day and that I get to experience kid one day and that I get to experience kid one day and that I get to experience this again and again and again. Dude, this again and again and again. Dude, this again and again and again. Dude, the first one of the first thought I the first one of the first thought I the first one of the first thought I don't know the first thought, but one of don't know the first thought, but one of don't know the first thought, but one of the first thoughts I had when I held my the first thoughts I had when I held my the first thoughts I had when I held my daughter was daughter was daughter was >> um I wish I didn't wait so long to do >> um I wish I didn't wait so long to do >> um I wish I didn't wait so long to do this so I could spend more time with this so I could spend more time with this so I could spend more time with you. 41 now. So I had her at 40 you. 41 now. So I had her at 40 you. 41 now. So I had her at 40 >> and that and it was like >> and that and it was like >> and that and it was like >> I think those are under the same >> I think those are under the same >> I think those are under the same umbrella which is like how can I be umbrella which is like how can I be umbrella which is like how can I be around you longer? And I know that you around you longer? And I know that you around you longer? And I know that you know there's we have limited time here know there's we have limited time here know there's we have limited time here and I know at 40 instead of 20 or 30

26:00and I know at 40 instead of 20 or 30 and I know at 40 instead of 20 or 30 I've shaved off a decade or two that I I've shaved off a decade or two that I I've shaved off a decade or two that I could be with you. I I don't regret the could be with you. I I don't regret the could be with you. I I don't regret the decision. I waited for the perfect decision. I waited for the perfect decision. I waited for the perfect person to do it. I'm glad I did. But person to do it. I'm glad I did. But person to do it. I'm glad I did. But like this impulse to be around them, like this impulse to be around them, like this impulse to be around them, spend time with them. Yeah, it smacked spend time with them. Yeah, it smacked spend time with them. Yeah, it smacked me in the face. It was insane. me in the face. It was insane. me in the face. It was insane. >> So, it would be cool to know that that >> So, it would be cool to know that that >> So, it would be cool to know that that there are like some sort of like genes there are like some sort of like genes there are like some sort of like genes that get turned on in that experience. that get turned on in that experience. that get turned on in that experience. >> Again, I I'm I'm sure somebody out there >> Again, I I'm I'm sure somebody out there >> Again, I I'm I'm sure somebody out there smarter than me has figured it out. But, smarter than me has figured it out. But, smarter than me has figured it out. But, but that's that's been my impression is but that's that's been my impression is but that's that's been my impression is something. something. something. >> So, so you you have the experience which >> So, so you you have the experience which >> So, so you you have the experience which which let's assume a lot of dads do, which let's assume a lot of dads do, which let's assume a lot of dads do, which is like, okay, I kind of need to which is like, okay, I kind of need to which is like, okay, I kind of need to be fit. I kind of need to be healthy so be fit. I kind of need to be healthy so be fit. I kind of need to be healthy so I can be around. It's a great motivator. I can be around. It's a great motivator. I can be around. It's a great motivator. It's like the best motivator. I think It's like the best motivator. I think It's like the best motivator. I think there's even like a biblical term like there's even like a biblical term like there's even like a biblical term like every baby comes with a basket of bread. every baby comes with a basket of bread. every baby comes with a basket of bread. This idea like you start making more This idea like you start making more This idea like you start making more money when you have a kid. And it might money when you have a kid. And it might money when you have a kid. And it might just be the urgency. It's like I should just be the urgency. It's like I should just be the urgency. It's like I should take that gig. I should I should do that take that gig. I should I should do that take that gig. I should I should do that thing. thing. thing. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> it's funny even after having my kid like >> it's funny even after having my kid like >> it's funny even after having my kid like I I don't think I've done drugs since. I I don't think I've done drugs since. I I don't think I've done drugs since. >> And I was never like a drug guy but like >> And I was never like a drug guy but like >> And I was never like a drug guy but like a little here and there but I Yeah. It's a little here and there but I Yeah. It's a little here and there but I Yeah. It's like is it worth the risk? Like this one

27:00like is it worth the risk? Like this one like is it worth the risk? Like this one night, God forbid something's in it. night, God forbid something's in it. night, God forbid something's in it. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't even really drink >> Yeah. I mean, I don't even really drink >> Yeah. I mean, I don't even really drink anymore since having a kid, anymore since having a kid, anymore since having a kid, >> isn't that? >> isn't that? >> isn't that? >> Yeah. Just like I mean, also waking up >> Yeah. Just like I mean, also waking up >> Yeah. Just like I mean, also waking up early, you know what I mean? early, you know what I mean? early, you know what I mean? >> Yeah. I'm like, I can't be hung over. I >> Yeah. I'm like, I can't be hung over. I >> Yeah. I'm like, I can't be hung over. I have to be up at 6:30. Like, so there's have to be up at 6:30. Like, so there's have to be up at 6:30. Like, so there's so many things that get tapered down in so many things that get tapered down in so many things that get tapered down in like early childhood. like early childhood. like early childhood. >> Also, have you heard that new parents or >> Also, have you heard that new parents or >> Also, have you heard that new parents or new dads will gain body weight in the new dads will gain body weight in the new dads will gain body weight in the months around the birth? I don't know if months around the birth? I don't know if months around the birth? I don't know if this this this >> I have heard this. I don't know. I don't >> I have heard this. I don't know. I don't >> I have heard this. I don't know. I don't know if it's know if it's know if it's >> that's cuz these women be eating. >> that's cuz these women be eating. >> that's cuz these women be eating. I don't know if it's been validated, but I don't know if it's been validated, but I don't know if it's been validated, but uh uh uh >> and you can't just let them eat dessert, >> and you can't just let them eat dessert, >> and you can't just let them eat dessert, right? And then they feel guilty. No, right? And then they feel guilty. No, right? And then they feel guilty. No, we're just being good supportive we're just being good supportive we're just being good supportive >> host. Okay. So, so you lock in on >> host. Okay. So, so you lock in on >> host. Okay. So, so you lock in on longevity, right? And at the time, longevity, right? And at the time, longevity, right? And at the time, >> although truthfully when I started >> although truthfully when I started >> although truthfully when I started thinking about it, all I thought about thinking about it, all I thought about thinking about it, all I thought about was heart disease at the beginning was heart disease at the beginning was heart disease at the beginning because because because >> that's the disease that kills my family. >> that's the disease that kills my family. >> that's the disease that kills my family. And so, so my my foray into it was And so, so my my foray into it was And so, so my my foray into it was really through I really want to really through I really want to really through I really want to understand heart disease and I really understand heart disease and I really understand heart disease and I really want to understand why all the men in my want to understand why all the men in my want to understand why all the men in my family die of heart disease and what do family die of heart disease and what do family die of heart disease and what do I need to do to make sure that

28:00I need to do to make sure that I need to do to make sure that >> you know at the time I'm my daughter's >> you know at the time I'm my daughter's >> you know at the time I'm my daughter's born I'm 35 so what do I need to do to born I'm 35 so what do I need to do to born I'm 35 so what do I need to do to make sure I'm not dying at 60 like you make sure I'm not dying at 60 like you make sure I'm not dying at 60 like you know I mean some some men in my family know I mean some some men in my family know I mean some some men in my family died at 45 died at 45 died at 45 >> from heart disease from heart attack >> from heart disease from heart attack >> from heart disease from heart attack Jesus Christ what is the first thing Jesus Christ what is the first thing Jesus Christ what is the first thing when addressing heart disease is that when addressing heart disease is that when addressing heart disease is that diet diet diet >> um not necessarily um the fir you you I >> um not necessarily um the fir you you I >> um not necessarily um the fir you you I mean at the I didn't know this at the mean at the I didn't know this at the mean at the I didn't know this at the time, but I now can tell you with much time, but I now can tell you with much time, but I now can tell you with much more clarity. You know, heart disease more clarity. You know, heart disease more clarity. You know, heart disease obviously has a pretty strong genetic obviously has a pretty strong genetic obviously has a pretty strong genetic component, but at the end of the day, component, but at the end of the day, component, but at the end of the day, the there are four big modifiable things the there are four big modifiable things the there are four big modifiable things you just have to manage. Like you can't you just have to manage. Like you can't you just have to manage. Like you can't smoke, smoke, smoke, >> your blood pressure has to be below 120 >> your blood pressure has to be below 120 >> your blood pressure has to be below 120 over 80, your uh lipids need to be over 80, your uh lipids need to be over 80, your uh lipids need to be perfectly dialed in, and you want to be perfectly dialed in, and you want to be perfectly dialed in, and you want to be as insulin sensitive as possible. And if as insulin sensitive as possible. And if as insulin sensitive as possible. And if those four things are true, I mean, those four things are true, I mean, those four things are true, I mean, you're set for life. you're set for life. you're set for life. >> Gotcha. Some people can do that with >> Gotcha. Some people can do that with >> Gotcha. Some people can do that with diet. Some people can do it with diet. Some people can do it with diet. Some people can do it with exercise. And some people need drugs to exercise. And some people need drugs to exercise. And some people need drugs to do it. It's everything's everybody's do it. It's everything's everybody's do it. It's everything's everybody's different. But different. But different. But >> this is I'm curious about the heart >> this is I'm curious about the heart >> this is I'm curious about the heart disease stuff cuz I'm on a statin. I

29:00disease stuff cuz I'm on a statin. I disease stuff cuz I'm on a statin. I remember going in to get some my heart remember going in to get some my heart remember going in to get some my heart check. I think it was actually like when check. I think it was actually like when check. I think it was actually like when we were trying to have a kid. It was we were trying to have a kid. It was we were trying to have a kid. It was really difficult and I was like having really difficult and I was like having really difficult and I was like having breathing problems and it was really breathing problems and it was really breathing problems and it was really just caused by stress. Yeah. just caused by stress. Yeah. just caused by stress. Yeah. >> But uh I was like let me get my heart >> But uh I was like let me get my heart >> But uh I was like let me get my heart checked and that kind of [ __ ] And then checked and that kind of [ __ ] And then checked and that kind of [ __ ] And then the doctor came like yeah you've got the doctor came like yeah you've got the doctor came like yeah you've got some calcification like a very minor some calcification like a very minor some calcification like a very minor calcification. calcification. calcification. I thought he was like lying at me. I was I thought he was like lying at me. I was I thought he was like lying at me. I was like, "Me? I'm like exercising every like, "Me? I'm like exercising every like, "Me? I'm like exercising every single day. I'm in like pretty decent single day. I'm in like pretty decent single day. I'm in like pretty decent [ __ ] completely." He's like, "Yeah, we [ __ ] completely." He's like, "Yeah, we [ __ ] completely." He's like, "Yeah, we recommend this like stat." I was like, recommend this like stat." I was like, recommend this like stat." I was like, "I'm on a [ __ ] blood pressure "I'm on a [ __ ] blood pressure "I'm on a [ __ ] blood pressure medication." Like, "What the hell is medication." Like, "What the hell is medication." Like, "What the hell is going on?" What are you What is your going on?" What are you What is your going on?" What are you What is your feeling on using pharmaceuticals to feeling on using pharmaceuticals to feeling on using pharmaceuticals to essentially prevent essentially prevent essentially prevent these illnesses and what are this these illnesses and what are this these illnesses and what are this negative potential negative side effects negative potential negative side effects negative potential negative side effects of that? of that? of that? So the the short answer is if if you if So the the short answer is if if you if So the the short answer is if if you if you had a house that was being built by you had a house that was being built by you had a house that was being built by a general contractor and that contractor a general contractor and that contractor a general contractor and that contractor came to you and said, "Andrew, I just came to you and said, "Andrew, I just came to you and said, "Andrew, I just want you to know um I don't believe in want you to know um I don't believe in want you to know um I don't believe in saws, hammers, and screwdrivers, but I

30:00saws, hammers, and screwdrivers, but I saws, hammers, and screwdrivers, but I like all of these other tools." You'd be like all of these other tools." You'd be like all of these other tools." You'd be like, "What are you talking about?" like, "What are you talking about?" like, "What are you talking about?" >> Shouldn't you have all the tools? You're >> Shouldn't you have all the tools? You're >> Shouldn't you have all the tools? You're the general contractor. Yeah. the general contractor. Yeah. the general contractor. Yeah. >> And so, so I always find it amazing when >> And so, so I always find it amazing when >> And so, so I always find it amazing when I run into people of all persuasions who I run into people of all persuasions who I run into people of all persuasions who say, "I will only use diet and exercise say, "I will only use diet and exercise say, "I will only use diet and exercise to to to, you know, fix myself." And at to to to, you know, fix myself." And at to to to, you know, fix myself." And at the other end of the spectrum, you have the other end of the spectrum, you have the other end of the spectrum, you have these people that are like, "Give me these people that are like, "Give me these people that are like, "Give me every drug in the world, but don't tell every drug in the world, but don't tell every drug in the world, but don't tell me about exercise and nutrition." It's me about exercise and nutrition." It's me about exercise and nutrition." It's like, do you understand how hard the like, do you understand how hard the like, do you understand how hard the problem is we're trying to solve? Like, problem is we're trying to solve? Like, problem is we're trying to solve? Like, do you understand the inevitability of do you understand the inevitability of do you understand the inevitability of death? death? death? >> You said, you said this once, like, >> You said, you said this once, like, >> You said, you said this once, like, everything is working against you. everything is working against you. everything is working against you. >> Yeah. Like entropy is dragging you into >> Yeah. Like entropy is dragging you into >> Yeah. Like entropy is dragging you into the grave. the grave. the grave. >> If if if you need a medication to lower >> If if if you need a medication to lower >> If if if you need a medication to lower your blood pressure, you take that your blood pressure, you take that your blood pressure, you take that medication to lower your blood pressure. medication to lower your blood pressure. medication to lower your blood pressure. Right Right Right >> now, >> now, >> now, >> you should weight loss naturally first. >> you should weight loss naturally first. >> you should weight loss naturally first. >> Sure, by all means, because there are >> Sure, by all means, because there are >> Sure, by all means, because there are other benefits that come. So, in other other benefits that come. So, in other other benefits that come. So, in other words, if you take an individual that is words, if you take an individual that is words, if you take an individual that is overweight, not exercising, and has high overweight, not exercising, and has high overweight, not exercising, and has high blood pressure, if you said to me,

31:00blood pressure, if you said to me, blood pressure, if you said to me, Peter, would you rather give them a drug Peter, would you rather give them a drug Peter, would you rather give them a drug to lower their blood pressure or get to lower their blood pressure or get to lower their blood pressure or get them to exercise and lose weight to do them to exercise and lose weight to do them to exercise and lose weight to do it? If they both produce the same blood it? If they both produce the same blood it? If they both produce the same blood pressure, no questions asked, this is a pressure, no questions asked, this is a pressure, no questions asked, this is a better approach because there are other better approach because there are other better approach because there are other benefits that are being captured through benefits that are being captured through benefits that are being captured through exercise and weight loss beyond just the exercise and weight loss beyond just the exercise and weight loss beyond just the blood pressure. But if that person blood pressure. But if that person blood pressure. But if that person either just can't or won't do those either just can't or won't do those either just can't or won't do those things, I'm not going to be punitive and things, I'm not going to be punitive and things, I'm not going to be punitive and say, "Well, say, "Well, say, "Well, >> you're not working hard enough, sorry, >> you're not working hard enough, sorry, >> you're not working hard enough, sorry, I'm going to withhold this." No, of I'm going to withhold this." No, of I'm going to withhold this." No, of course not. And secondly, you can do course not. And secondly, you can do course not. And secondly, you can do both because a lot of people end up both because a lot of people end up both because a lot of people end up losing weight. They exercise, but they losing weight. They exercise, but they losing weight. They exercise, but they still have what's called essential still have what's called essential still have what's called essential hypertension. They have normal normal hypertension. They have normal normal hypertension. They have normal normal healthy looking people that are walking healthy looking people that are walking healthy looking people that are walking around with high blood pressure. It's a around with high blood pressure. It's a around with high blood pressure. It's a silent killer. silent killer. silent killer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That is the tricky thing is that so much >> That is the tricky thing is that so much >> That is the tricky thing is that so much is aesthetics. We look at somebody in is aesthetics. We look at somebody in is aesthetics. We look at somebody in shape and assume that they're healthy. shape and assume that they're healthy. shape and assume that they're healthy. >> And a lot of what's going on under the >> And a lot of what's going on under the >> And a lot of what's going on under the hood is the thing that could end up hood is the thing that could end up hood is the thing that could end up killing you. killing you. killing you. >> Yeah. And the same is true with with >> Yeah. And the same is true with with >> Yeah. And the same is true with with lipids, right? Like lipids are even more lipids, right? Like lipids are even more lipids, right? Like lipids are even more genetically determined than blood genetically determined than blood genetically determined than blood pressure. pressure. pressure. >> What are lipids? >> What are lipids? >> What are lipids? >> Uh so our body makes cholesterol. It's >> Uh so our body makes cholesterol. It's >> Uh so our body makes cholesterol. It's essential for every cell in your body essential for every cell in your body essential for every cell in your body needs cholesterol to exist. And the most

32:00needs cholesterol to exist. And the most needs cholesterol to exist. And the most important hormones in your body are made important hormones in your body are made important hormones in your body are made out of cholesterol. So testosterone, out of cholesterol. So testosterone, out of cholesterol. So testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, all right, all estrogen, progesterone, all right, all estrogen, progesterone, all right, all all made out of cholesterol. Um, and you all made out of cholesterol. Um, and you all made out of cholesterol. Um, and you because cholesterol is a is a lipid, because cholesterol is a is a lipid, because cholesterol is a is a lipid, it's a fat, it can't be tra, it can't it's a fat, it can't be tra, it can't it's a fat, it can't be tra, it can't travel in our bloodstream because our travel in our bloodstream because our travel in our bloodstream because our blood's water without a chaperone, blood's water without a chaperone, blood's water without a chaperone, without something to carry it that makes without something to carry it that makes without something to carry it that makes it soluble. And that's those things are it soluble. And that's those things are it soluble. And that's those things are called lipoproteins called lipoproteins called lipoproteins >> and they have different densities. And >> and they have different densities. And >> and they have different densities. And one of them is called low density one of them is called low density one of them is called low density lipoprotein, LDL. That's your LDL lipoprotein, LDL. That's your LDL lipoprotein, LDL. That's your LDL levels. Got it. Got it. Got it. levels. Got it. Got it. Got it. levels. Got it. Got it. Got it. >> And that LDL >> And that LDL >> And that LDL does some good things, but it does some does some good things, but it does some does some good things, but it does some really bad things. And it's the only one really bad things. And it's the only one really bad things. And it's the only one that does this really bad thing. I guess that does this really bad thing. I guess that does this really bad thing. I guess the VLDL does it too, but it enters an the VLDL does it too, but it enters an the VLDL does it too, but it enters an artery wall. And if it gets stuck in artery wall. And if it gets stuck in artery wall. And if it gets stuck in that wall, it underos a chemical process that wall, it underos a chemical process that wall, it underos a chemical process called oxidation. called oxidation. called oxidation. And the body And the body And the body regrettably, but understandably, thinks regrettably, but understandably, thinks regrettably, but understandably, thinks that there's a problem there. And it that there's a problem there. And it that there's a problem there. And it excites an immune response. And the excites an immune response. And the excites an immune response. And the immune response leads to a cascade of

33:00immune response leads to a cascade of immune response leads to a cascade of events that ultimately result in the events that ultimately result in the events that ultimately result in the body trying to repair the damage. The body trying to repair the damage. The body trying to repair the damage. The final stage of which is the final stage of which is the final stage of which is the calcification that showed up on your CT calcification that showed up on your CT calcification that showed up on your CT scan. scan. scan. >> So the calcification you see on coronary >> So the calcification you see on coronary >> So the calcification you see on coronary arteries is the result of the body arteries is the result of the body arteries is the result of the body laying down concrete on Chernobyl. laying down concrete on Chernobyl. laying down concrete on Chernobyl. >> Got it. So what does the statin do? stop >> Got it. So what does the statin do? stop >> Got it. So what does the statin do? stop the body from laying down the concrete the body from laying down the concrete the body from laying down the concrete or stop or stop or stop >> it. The the the statin very specifically >> it. The the the statin very specifically >> it. The the the statin very specifically because there are lots of different because there are lots of different because there are lots of different drugs that that treat this, but what drugs that that treat this, but what drugs that that treat this, but what statins do specifically is they tell the statins do specifically is they tell the statins do specifically is they tell the body to make less cholesterol. The liver body to make less cholesterol. The liver body to make less cholesterol. The liver in response to that says, "I'm going to in response to that says, "I'm going to in response to that says, "I'm going to make more LDL receptors on my surface to make more LDL receptors on my surface to make more LDL receptors on my surface to pull more LDL out of circulation." So, pull more LDL out of circulation." So, pull more LDL out of circulation." So, they lower the LDL cholesterol by they lower the LDL cholesterol by they lower the LDL cholesterol by tricking the liver into thinking it tricking the liver into thinking it tricking the liver into thinking it needs more of it. needs more of it. needs more of it. >> Brilliant. >> Brilliant. >> Brilliant. >> Yeah. Now, to your question about a side >> Yeah. Now, to your question about a side >> Yeah. Now, to your question about a side effect, of all the drugs that are used effect, of all the drugs that are used effect, of all the drugs that are used today that lower cholesterol, statins

34:00today that lower cholesterol, statins today that lower cholesterol, statins have the most side effects. have the most side effects. have the most side effects. >> Oh, Jesus. I don't even know if I want >> Oh, Jesus. I don't even know if I want >> Oh, Jesus. I don't even know if I want to know. to know. to know. >> Well, the good news is you clearly don't >> Well, the good news is you clearly don't >> Well, the good news is you clearly don't have the most significant side effect, have the most significant side effect, have the most significant side effect, which is muscle soreness. 5% of people which is muscle soreness. 5% of people which is muscle soreness. 5% of people get muscle soreness. Got it. So, that's get muscle soreness. Got it. So, that's get muscle soreness. Got it. So, that's a lot, right? When you think about how a lot, right? When you think about how a lot, right? When you think about how frequently these drugs are used, one in frequently these drugs are used, one in frequently these drugs are used, one in uh 20 people is going to feel like uh 20 people is going to feel like uh 20 people is going to feel like they've had the worst workout of their they've had the worst workout of their they've had the worst workout of their life every day. So, this shows up pretty life every day. So, this shows up pretty life every day. So, this shows up pretty quick. quick. quick. >> Okay. So, >> Okay. So, >> Okay. So, >> so you you get that you take them off >> so you you get that you take them off >> so you you get that you take them off the drug immediately. You um that that the drug immediately. You um that that the drug immediately. You um that that goes away within days. goes away within days. goes away within days. >> Then there are other side effects that >> Then there are other side effects that >> Then there are other side effects that are more subtle and you just have to be are more subtle and you just have to be are more subtle and you just have to be watching for them and one of them is watching for them and one of them is watching for them and one of them is insulin resistance. So, if you see over insulin resistance. So, if you see over insulin resistance. So, if you see over time glucose tolerance getting worse and time glucose tolerance getting worse and time glucose tolerance getting worse and worse, in my book, that's a reason to worse, in my book, that's a reason to worse, in my book, that's a reason to stop using a statin. Um, the other thing stop using a statin. Um, the other thing stop using a statin. Um, the other thing is sometimes the liver function tests is sometimes the liver function tests is sometimes the liver function tests get a little liver enzymes that are get a little liver enzymes that are get a little liver enzymes that are known as liver function tests get a known as liver function tests get a known as liver function tests get a little elevated. That's also a reason to little elevated. That's also a reason to little elevated. That's also a reason to do it. But again, you know, 20 years do it. But again, you know, 20 years do it. But again, you know, 20 years ago, you didn't have a choice. ago, you didn't have a choice. ago, you didn't have a choice. >> Today, when I hear people go on these >> Today, when I hear people go on these >> Today, when I hear people go on these anti-statin rants, I'm like, anti-statin rants, I'm like, anti-statin rants, I'm like, >> okay, like don't go on a statin. Like, >> okay, like don't go on a statin. Like, >> okay, like don't go on a statin. Like, go on a PCSK9 inhibitor, go on isetto,

35:00go on a PCSK9 inhibitor, go on isetto, go on a PCSK9 inhibitor, go on isetto, go on bmpidoic acid. Like there are so go on bmpidoic acid. Like there are so go on bmpidoic acid. Like there are so many other cleaner drugs today that um many other cleaner drugs today that um many other cleaner drugs today that um are more expensive are more expensive are more expensive >> and we don't have um you know so so they >> and we don't have um you know so so they >> and we don't have um you know so so they don't have necessarily and they're not don't have necessarily and they're not don't have necessarily and they're not some of them are not as potent as some of them are not as potent as some of them are not as potent as statins although PCSK9 inhibitors are um statins although PCSK9 inhibitors are um statins although PCSK9 inhibitors are um that it's it's a it's it's become a that it's it's a it's it's become a that it's it's a it's it's become a little bit of a silly excuse if if little bit of a silly excuse if if little bit of a silly excuse if if you're you know if your LDL cholesterol you're you know if your LDL cholesterol you're you know if your LDL cholesterol your APO which is really the marker of your APO which is really the marker of your APO which is really the marker of interest is too high you you you know interest is too high you you you know interest is too high you you you know just it's an unforced error it's an own just it's an unforced error it's an own just it's an unforced error it's an own goal to walk around with elevated goal to walk around with elevated goal to walk around with elevated levels. levels. levels. >> Got it. But so you're not essentially >> Got it. But so you're not essentially >> Got it. But so you're not essentially against a statin? against a statin? against a statin? >> Not at all. No, no, no. Not at all. It's >> Not at all. No, no, no. Not at all. It's >> Not at all. No, no, no. Not at all. It's again, and for most people, they can again, and for most people, they can again, and for most people, they can tolerate them just fine. tolerate them just fine. tolerate them just fine. >> I'm sure this is happening a lot in your >> I'm sure this is happening a lot in your >> I'm sure this is happening a lot in your industry as it's exploded, but in an industry as it's exploded, but in an industry as it's exploded, but in an effort to make content, I feel like effort to make content, I feel like effort to make content, I feel like people are looking for their hottake on people are looking for their hottake on people are looking for their hottake on a very popular thing a very popular thing a very popular thing >> and they are disseminating potentially >> and they are disseminating potentially >> and they are disseminating potentially harmful information so that they can get harmful information so that they can get harmful information so that they can get attention and clicks. attention and clicks. attention and clicks. >> Yeah. This is what I envy so much about >> Yeah. This is what I envy so much about >> Yeah. This is what I envy so much about your world. Like when you're a comedian, your world. Like when you're a comedian, your world. Like when you're a comedian, your hottake just needs to be funny.

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40:00and we've known him not doing it and and we've known him not doing it and nothing has changed in his body. He nothing has changed in his body. He nothing has changed in his body. He looks no different. His body hasn't looks no different. His body hasn't looks no different. His body hasn't changed for seven years. He doesn't eat changed for seven years. He doesn't eat changed for seven years. He doesn't eat for two days in a row now. He looks for two days in a row now. He looks for two days in a row now. He looks exactly the [ __ ] same. exactly the [ __ ] same. exactly the [ __ ] same. >> What would you call him? [ __ ] What >> What would you call him? [ __ ] What >> What would you call him? [ __ ] What is What do you call people like that? is What do you call people like that? is What do you call people like that? That eating disorder. Body disorder. >> I'm deeply autophagy right now. So, I'm >> I'm deeply autophagy right now. So, I'm actually elevated. I see things better actually elevated. I see things better actually elevated. I see things better than you guys. than you guys. than you guys. I'm seeing I'm seeing I'm seeing >> that's the other [ __ ] he says is >> that's the other [ __ ] he says is >> that's the other [ __ ] he says is that when he doesn't eat he gets really that when he doesn't eat he gets really that when he doesn't eat he gets really focused. No, he has four zins in his focused. No, he has four zins in his focused. No, he has four zins in his foreskin and then he's >> Can you not zen when you're fasting? >> Can you not zen when you're fasting? >> You can if you do low doses and >> You can if you do low doses and >> You can if you do low doses and especially if you do the unflavored ones especially if you do the unflavored ones especially if you do the unflavored ones cuz sometimes cuz sometimes cuz sometimes >> you are kidding me. >> you are kidding me. >> you are kidding me. >> Yeah, he's already talking himself as >> Yeah, he's already talking himself as >> Yeah, he's already talking himself as >> I'm telling you I'm the dumbest >> I'm telling you I'm the dumbest >> I'm telling you I'm the dumbest healthish. We shellfish. We also have healthish. We shellfish. We also have healthish. We shellfish. We also have ways around the system. ways around the system. ways around the system. >> I'm the dumbest health do the flavored >> I'm the dumbest health do the flavored >> I'm the dumbest health do the flavored zin because it breaks the fast. It's if zin because it breaks the fast. It's if zin because it breaks the fast. It's if in high doses sometimes it will trigger in high doses sometimes it will trigger in high doses sometimes it will trigger Dr. T. Let me tell you about health. Dr. T. Let me tell you about health.

41:00Dr. T. Let me tell you about health. I'm so glad you're here. I'm actually so I'm so glad you're here. I'm actually so I'm so glad you're here. I'm actually so excited to explain this to you. Okay. I excited to explain this to you. Okay. I excited to explain this to you. Okay. I always I'm the dumbest guy when it comes always I'm the dumbest guy when it comes always I'm the dumbest guy when it comes to like health stuff cuz I'll see to like health stuff cuz I'll see to like health stuff cuz I'll see something. I just bought a Vegas nerve something. I just bought a Vegas nerve something. I just bought a Vegas nerve stimulator cuz I'm like, "Oh, this is stimulator cuz I'm like, "Oh, this is stimulator cuz I'm like, "Oh, this is the thing." And so anytime I see the thing." And so anytime I see the thing." And so anytime I see >> Tell me I see medical quackery and I go, >> Tell me I see medical quackery and I go, >> Tell me I see medical quackery and I go, "This is what I need." "This is what I need." "This is what I need." >> The uh the mint. Yeah. Yeah. >> The uh the mint. Yeah. Yeah. >> The uh the mint. Yeah. Yeah. >> Go go go. Here you go. Sorry. There he >> Go go go. Here you go. Sorry. There he >> Go go go. Here you go. Sorry. There he goes. Are these bad for us? These are goes. Are these bad for us? These are goes. Are these bad for us? These are >> uh depends on what dose. >> uh depends on what dose. >> uh depends on what dose. >> Mine is statin. >> How many How many milligrams are these >> How many How many milligrams are these things? things? things? >> Six. This is six. >> Six. This is six. >> Six. This is six. >> Oh, that's too much for me. Wait, >> Oh, that's too much for me. Wait, >> Oh, that's too much for me. Wait, really? really? really? >> I can only do three at a time. >> I can only do three at a time. >> I can only do three at a time. >> You do the threes? >> You do the threes? >> You do the threes? >> I do threes. Yeah. >> I do threes. Yeah. >> I do threes. Yeah. >> Do you want I got my nicotine toothpicks >> Do you want I got my nicotine toothpicks >> Do you want I got my nicotine toothpicks here. here. here. >> That's what that was. I knew it. I knew >> That's what that was. I knew it. I knew >> That's what that was. I knew it. I knew it. I had no clue why he was sweeping it. I had no clue why he was sweeping it. I had no clue why he was sweeping the toothpick on the couch. He took it the toothpick on the couch. He took it the toothpick on the couch. He took it out. He laid it on the couch. Like, what out. He laid it on the couch. Like, what out. He laid it on the couch. Like, what the [ __ ] is this toothpick? the [ __ ] is this toothpick? the [ __ ] is this toothpick? >> You got to hurt your meal or what? You >> You got to hurt your meal or what? You >> You got to hurt your meal or what? You got a toothpick saving for later. got a toothpick saving for later. got a toothpick saving for later. the son of immigrant parents. You know the son of immigrant parents. You know the son of immigrant parents. You know what I mean? what I mean? what I mean? >> Okay, tell us about your Vegas nerve >> Okay, tell us about your Vegas nerve >> Okay, tell us about your Vegas nerve stimulator. stimulator. stimulator. >> I mean, where do we start? First, I want >> I mean, where do we start? First, I want >> I mean, where do we start? First, I want to know about intermittent fasting. to know about intermittent fasting. to know about intermittent fasting. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Oh, yeah.

42:00>> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> How how dumb am I? I have a fasting >> How how dumb am I? I have a fasting >> How how dumb am I? I have a fasting window from four to six. I do high window from four to six. I do high window from four to six. I do high protein, highfat, low carbs. Am I an protein, highfat, low carbs. Am I an protein, highfat, low carbs. Am I an idiot? idiot? idiot? >> Uh, no, you're definitely not an idiot. >> Uh, no, you're definitely not an idiot. >> Uh, no, you're definitely not an idiot. I just think you might be overindexing I just think you might be overindexing I just think you might be overindexing on something. All available data. on something. All available data. on something. All available data. >> That's Mark's life. >> That's Mark's life. >> That's Mark's life. >> I know. I know. It's all discrete. >> I know. I know. It's all discrete. >> I know. I know. It's all discrete. >> All available data says that the >> All available data says that the >> All available data says that the benefits of intermittent fasting are benefits of intermittent fasting are benefits of intermittent fasting are acred through the amount of calories you acred through the amount of calories you acred through the amount of calories you restrict. restrict. restrict. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> In other words, uh and this has been >> In other words, uh and this has been >> In other words, uh and this has been studied. So, if you take two groups of studied. So, if you take two groups of studied. So, if you take two groups of people and uh one group of them does people and uh one group of them does people and uh one group of them does 2,000 calories spread out over the 2,000 calories spread out over the 2,000 calories spread out over the course of the day and the other group course of the day and the other group course of the day and the other group does the exact same 2,000 calories, but does the exact same 2,000 calories, but does the exact same 2,000 calories, but they eat them in six hours or four they eat them in six hours or four they eat them in six hours or four hours. There's no difference. hours. There's no difference. hours. There's no difference. Except that the people who do Except that the people who do Except that the people who do intermittent fasting have a tendency to intermittent fasting have a tendency to intermittent fasting have a tendency to lose a bit more muscle. lose a bit more muscle. lose a bit more muscle. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. >> I got counter point. Someone Google it. >> I got counter point. Someone Google it. >> I got counter point. Someone Google it. >> You know, it could

43:00>> You know, it could >> You know, it could be that they're not fully normalized for be that they're not fully normalized for be that they're not fully normalized for the same amount of protein. It could be the same amount of protein. It could be the same amount of protein. It could be that they're putting too much protein in that they're putting too much protein in that they're putting too much protein in one time of day and then they're not one time of day and then they're not one time of day and then they're not getting enough muscle protein synthesis getting enough muscle protein synthesis getting enough muscle protein synthesis during the time when they're fasting. during the time when they're fasting. during the time when they're fasting. I'm not really sure. Um, and it could be I'm not really sure. Um, and it could be I'm not really sure. Um, and it could be that we just simply don't have the that we just simply don't have the that we just simply don't have the studies done, right? And maybe there is studies done, right? And maybe there is studies done, right? And maybe there is no difference or, you know, maybe there no difference or, you know, maybe there no difference or, you know, maybe there is a difference. But, um, is a difference. But, um, is a difference. But, um, >> intermittent fasting is an awesome tool >> intermittent fasting is an awesome tool >> intermittent fasting is an awesome tool for people if it's in some ways it's the for people if it's in some ways it's the for people if it's in some ways it's the easiest way to calorie restrict. easiest way to calorie restrict. easiest way to calorie restrict. >> And at the end of the day, calorie >> And at the end of the day, calorie >> And at the end of the day, calorie restriction is a really important thing restriction is a really important thing restriction is a really important thing to create energy imbalance. Energy to create energy imbalance. Energy to create energy imbalance. Energy imbalance is necessary if you're imbalance is necessary if you're imbalance is necessary if you're metabolically unhealthy. metabolically unhealthy. metabolically unhealthy. >> In other words, you have to create an >> In other words, you have to create an >> In other words, you have to create an energy deficit if you're metabolically energy deficit if you're metabolically energy deficit if you're metabolically unhealthy. So having frequent insulin unhealthy. So having frequent insulin unhealthy. So having frequent insulin spikes throughout the day has no effect spikes throughout the day has no effect spikes throughout the day has no effect on overall muscle mass or weight loss on overall muscle mass or weight loss on overall muscle mass or weight loss compared to having one insulin spike in compared to having one insulin spike in compared to having one insulin spike in the middle. the middle. the middle. >> According to all of the data we have it >> According to all of the data we have it >> According to all of the data we have it does not does not does not >> not just a little bit. All of the data >> not just a little bit. All of the data >> not just a little bit. All of the data you're doing for nothing eating all day. you're doing for nothing eating all day. you're doing for nothing eating all day. Mark see I can be like these guys but

44:00Mark see I can be like these guys but Mark see I can be like these guys but maybe because in other words I don't maybe because in other words I don't maybe because in other words I don't know if for you and by the way when when know if for you and by the way when when know if for you and by the way when when when I when I needed to be at my when I when I needed to be at my when I when I needed to be at my absolute lightest which was 15 lbs absolute lightest which was 15 lbs absolute lightest which was 15 lbs lighter than I am now I was doing one lighter than I am now I was doing one lighter than I am now I was doing one meal a day too meal a day too meal a day too >> not because I thought it was giving me >> not because I thought it was giving me >> not because I thought it was giving me some enormous health benefit but because some enormous health benefit but because some enormous health benefit but because it was simply the easiest way to it was simply the easiest way to it was simply the easiest way to restrict my calories was to basically restrict my calories was to basically restrict my calories was to basically >> I don't know how the hell I did it. It >> I don't know how the hell I did it. It >> I don't know how the hell I did it. It was so miserable to get up, work out, was so miserable to get up, work out, was so miserable to get up, work out, not eat, you know, stay all day, come not eat, you know, stay all day, come not eat, you know, stay all day, come home, do another workout, then eat home, do another workout, then eat home, do another workout, then eat dinner, and then go to bed and do it all dinner, and then go to bed and do it all dinner, and then go to bed and do it all over again. over again. over again. >> Imagine what it's like for your friends >> Imagine what it's like for your friends >> Imagine what it's like for your friends and family who have to [ __ ] hear and family who have to [ __ ] hear and family who have to [ __ ] hear about it. about it. about it. >> I don't talk about it. I don't even say >> I don't talk about it. I don't even say >> I don't talk about it. I don't even say anything. I never bring it up. Have you anything. I never bring it up. Have you anything. I never bring it up. Have you got got got >> one of my favorite one of my favorite >> one of my favorite one of my favorite >> one of my favorite one of my favorite stickers? There's this there's this guy stickers? There's this there's this guy stickers? There's this there's this guy there's this place in Austin that always there's this place in Austin that always there's this place in Austin that always has like a funny slogan outside of it has like a funny slogan outside of it has like a funny slogan outside of it and they had one the other day that said and they had one the other day that said and they had one the other day that said um um um >> was what happens if a vegan does >> was what happens if a vegan does >> was what happens if a vegan does CrossFit? Which do you hear about first?

45:00CrossFit? Which do you hear about first? CrossFit? Which do you hear about first? >> Oh, he was doing CrossFit. He is >> Oh, he was doing CrossFit. He is >> Oh, he was doing CrossFit. He is everything but vegan. He's like almost everything but vegan. He's like almost everything but vegan. He's like almost there. there. there. >> No, no, no, I wouldn't do the opposite. >> No, no, no, I wouldn't do the opposite. >> No, no, no, I wouldn't do the opposite. >> I wouldn't do vegan. >> I wouldn't do vegan. >> I wouldn't do vegan. >> You also said you needed to be your >> You also said you needed to be your >> You also said you needed to be your lightest. Was you were doing one meal a lightest. Was you were doing one meal a lightest. Was you were doing one meal a day? day? day? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What was that need for? >> What was that need for? >> What was that need for? >> Oh, for cycling. >> Oh, for cycling. >> Oh, for cycling. >> Oh, so not for doing stand up on the >> Oh, so not for doing stand up on the >> Oh, so not for doing stand up on the weekends sometimes. >> Just checking. >> Just checking. >> Funny. >> Funny. >> Funny. >> What about uh >> What about uh >> What about uh good good good >> Mark? You're done. You're done with the >> Mark? You're done. You're done with the >> Mark? You're done. You're done with the fasting. I have 20 more dumb things I fasting. I have 20 more dumb things I fasting. I have 20 more dumb things I do. do. do. >> I do want to hear about the Vegas. >> I do want to hear about the Vegas. >> I do want to hear about the Vegas. >> Here's another dumb thing he does. He >> Here's another dumb thing he does. He >> Here's another dumb thing he does. He fasts for like two, three days at a fasts for like two, three days at a fasts for like two, three days at a time. time. time. >> Very infrequently, but yes. But is that >> Very infrequently, but yes. But is that >> Very infrequently, but yes. But is that good or is that bad? good or is that bad? good or is that bad? >> I don't know. I mean, I used to do that. >> I don't know. I mean, I used to do that. >> I don't know. I mean, I used to do that. I used to fast like crazy. I used to do I used to fast like crazy. I used to do I used to fast like crazy. I used to do seven to 10 days a quarter. Like at at seven to 10 days a quarter. Like at at seven to 10 days a quarter. Like at at the top of the quarter, I would do seven the top of the quarter, I would do seven the top of the quarter, I would do seven to 10 days straight fast. And then on to 10 days straight fast. And then on to 10 days straight fast. And then on the other two months in the quarter, 3 the other two months in the quarter, 3 the other two months in the quarter, 3 days. So I would do like Jesus 10 days, days. So I would do like Jesus 10 days, days. So I would do like Jesus 10 days, 3 days, 3 days, 7 days, 3 days, 3 days, 3 days, 3 days, 7 days, 3 days, 3 days, 3 days, 3 days, 7 days, 3 days, 3 days, 10 days, 3 days, 3 days. 10 days, 3 days, 3 days. 10 days, 3 days, 3 days. >> Why? Well, the my hope was that it was

46:00>> Why? Well, the my hope was that it was >> Why? Well, the my hope was that it was doing a complete purge of all doing a complete purge of all doing a complete purge of all precancerous cells and you know, but but precancerous cells and you know, but but precancerous cells and you know, but but again trying to replicate the benefits again trying to replicate the benefits again trying to replicate the benefits we see in animals and caloric we see in animals and caloric we see in animals and caloric restriction. The problem is after 3 restriction. The problem is after 3 restriction. The problem is after 3 years of doing this, I lost 20 pounds of years of doing this, I lost 20 pounds of years of doing this, I lost 20 pounds of muscle. Um, which is not a lot on a guy muscle. Um, which is not a lot on a guy muscle. Um, which is not a lot on a guy like me who doesn't have much to begin like me who doesn't have much to begin like me who doesn't have much to begin with. And I was just like, okay, you with. And I was just like, okay, you with. And I was just like, okay, you know what? I wish I had a biioarker that know what? I wish I had a biioarker that know what? I wish I had a biioarker that could prove to me that there was some could prove to me that there was some could prove to me that there was some huge benefit here. huge benefit here. huge benefit here. >> But absent this, I just don't think >> But absent this, I just don't think >> But absent this, I just don't think there is. So, I don't know. there is. So, I don't know. there is. So, I don't know. >> May maybe there's a benefit to it. I I >> May maybe there's a benefit to it. I I >> May maybe there's a benefit to it. I I just don't know. just don't know. just don't know. >> H I also don't eat late at night. That >> H I also don't eat late at night. That >> H I also don't eat late at night. That way, I sleep better. way, I sleep better. way, I sleep better. >> And I think that's that makes sense cuz >> And I think that's that makes sense cuz >> And I think that's that makes sense cuz the empirical data is clear. the empirical data is clear. the empirical data is clear. >> Everybody like you guys you guys eat >> Everybody like you guys you guys eat >> Everybody like you guys you guys eat like Europeans. You eat at 10:00. like Europeans. You eat at 10:00. like Europeans. You eat at 10:00. >> Say another ob. I breathe oxygen. >> Say another ob. I breathe oxygen. >> Say another ob. I breathe oxygen. Just say an obvious thing. Of course, Just say an obvious thing. Of course, Just say an obvious thing. Of course, you're not supposed to eat late at you're not supposed to eat late at you're not supposed to eat late at night. We know this. night. We know this. night. We know this. >> What time do you have dinner? >> What time do you have dinner? >> What time do you have dinner? >> I have dinner at 9:30 or 10:30 at night. >> I have dinner at 9:30 or 10:30 at night. >> I have dinner at 9:30 or 10:30 at night. >> I sleep like [ __ ] >> I sleep like [ __ ] >> I sleep like [ __ ] >> Okay. But I'm out here bitching about it

47:00>> Okay. But I'm out here bitching about it >> Okay. But I'm out here bitching about it every single day. every single day. every single day. >> Spain. I don't have a choice. [ __ ] >> Spain. I don't have a choice. [ __ ] >> Spain. I don't have a choice. [ __ ] 11:00 p.m. 11:00 p.m. 11:00 p.m. >> You have that window. You stop eating. >> You have that window. You stop eating. >> You have that window. You stop eating. >> Tell us about your little Vegas nerve >> Tell us about your little Vegas nerve >> Tell us about your little Vegas nerve system. You got go. system. You got go. system. You got go. >> All right. This is my new dumb thing I'm >> All right. This is my new dumb thing I'm >> All right. This is my new dumb thing I'm on. So, I just saw an ad on Instagram on. So, I just saw an ad on Instagram on. So, I just saw an ad on Instagram and I was like, "This is it." And it's and I was like, "This is it." And it's and I was like, "This is it." And it's it stimulates the vagus nerve and lowers it stimulates the vagus nerve and lowers it stimulates the vagus nerve and lowers your uh paras parasympathetic your your uh paras parasympathetic your your uh paras parasympathetic your sympathetic nervous system and uh helps sympathetic nervous system and uh helps sympathetic nervous system and uh helps me sleep. me sleep. me sleep. >> Does it? >> Does it? >> Does it? >> I've only done it for 3 days and my >> I've only done it for 3 days and my >> I've only done it for 3 days and my whoop was off for one of them. So whoop was off for one of them. So whoop was off for one of them. So >> do you feel any different? >> do you feel any different? >> do you feel any different? >> No. What is it? Where do you put it >> No. What is it? Where do you put it >> No. What is it? Where do you put it around your neck? around your neck? around your neck? >> So you sleep with this thing around your >> So you sleep with this thing around your >> So you sleep with this thing around your neck? neck? neck? >> No, you just do it for one hour before >> No, you just do it for one hour before >> No, you just do it for one hour before you go to sleep. you go to sleep. you go to sleep. >> And it is >> And it is >> And it is >> What are you doing during that one hour? >> What are you doing during that one hour? >> What are you doing during that one hour? >> Typically reading. >> Typically reading. >> Typically reading. >> Can you be doing anything? >> Can you be doing anything? >> Can you be doing anything? >> I think >> I think >> could you be watching TV? Could you be >> could you be watching TV? Could you be >> could you be watching TV? Could you be >> I think it's suggested that you're >> I think it's suggested that you're >> I think it's suggested that you're ideally going down which then now we're ideally going down which then now we're ideally going down which then now we're getting into causal and corlary stuff getting into causal and corlary stuff getting into causal and corlary stuff >> and then yeah you also get into that's >> and then yeah you also get into that's >> and then yeah you also get into that's exactly right. So let me get this exactly right. So let me get this exactly right. So let me get this straight. If I get this straight straight. If I get this straight straight. If I get this straight I really don't like you saying that I really don't like you saying that

48:00I really don't like you saying that turning out to be my favorite episode. turning out to be my favorite episode. turning out to be my favorite episode. This [ __ ] on Mark you're missing This [ __ ] on Mark you're missing This [ __ ] on Mark you're missing everything. everything. everything. >> If I if I put these electrodes on my >> If I if I put these electrodes on my >> If I if I put these electrodes on my neck and lay in bed peacefully for an neck and lay in bed peacefully for an neck and lay in bed peacefully for an hour before going to bed will it make me hour before going to bed will it make me hour before going to bed will it make me sleep better? Yeah, sleep better? Yeah, sleep better? Yeah, >> it could. >> it could. >> it could. >> And what would happen if you just didn't >> And what would happen if you just didn't >> And what would happen if you just didn't have them on your neck and you lay in have them on your neck and you lay in have them on your neck and you lay in bed peacefully for an hour reading your bed peacefully for an hour reading your bed peacefully for an hour reading your Hitler books or whatever? Hitler books or whatever? Hitler books or whatever? >> I don't know. You're into those things. >> I don't know. You're into those things. >> I don't know. You're into those things. What What would you What do you think What What would you What do you think What What would you What do you think would happen? Do you think you would would happen? Do you think you would would happen? Do you think you would sleep better? sleep better? sleep better? >> Well, I do that anyway. >> Well, I do that anyway. >> Well, I do that anyway. >> This is like when the when somebody who >> This is like when the when somebody who >> This is like when the when somebody who eats junk food all the time becomes eats junk food all the time becomes eats junk food all the time becomes vegan and they just start eating lettuce vegan and they just start eating lettuce vegan and they just start eating lettuce and they're like, "Veganism is the key." and they're like, "Veganism is the key." and they're like, "Veganism is the key." That's the same thing, right? Okay. That's the same thing, right? Okay. That's the same thing, right? Okay. >> But I read every night anyway. Now I'm >> But I read every night anyway. Now I'm >> But I read every night anyway. Now I'm trying this and seeing if it gets my HRV trying this and seeing if it gets my HRV trying this and seeing if it gets my HRV up. up. up. >> I Well, you know what? >> I Well, you know what? >> I Well, you know what? by the way. by the way. by the way. >> 120 >> 120 >> 120 >> 128 >> 128 >> 128 >> 128. >> Just saying. >> Just saying. >> Celsius though. It's not even real. It's >> Celsius though. It's not even real. It's >> Celsius though. It's not even real. It's like is that in uh what's called RMSS like is that in uh what's called RMSS like is that in uh what's called RMSS squared or I don't know. squared or I don't know. squared or I don't know. >> What is it supposed to be? What is it

49:00>> What is it supposed to be? What is it >> What is it supposed to be? What is it supposed to be? supposed to be? supposed to be? >> I mean that's absurdly high for an >> I mean that's absurdly high for an >> I mean that's absurdly high for an adult. adult. adult. >> That's that's how I felt. I was like >> That's that's how I felt. I was like >> That's that's how I felt. I was like there's no way this is true. But this is there's no way this is true. But this is there's no way this is true. But this is >> And is high good? >> And is high good? >> And is high good? >> All things equal? >> All things equal? >> All things equal? >> Hold on. Let me let me let me find it >> Hold on. Let me let me let me find it >> Hold on. Let me let me let me find it for you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let for you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let for you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me me me >> I feel like a is getting a little >> I feel like a is getting a little >> I feel like a is getting a little competitive right now. competitive right now. competitive right now. >> All right. What's yours? A >> All right. What's yours? A >> All right. What's yours? A >> Oh, mine's super low. I have very low >> Oh, mine's super low. I have very low >> Oh, mine's super low. I have very low HRV. I'm in the 30s. HRV. I'm in the 30s. HRV. I'm in the 30s. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Mark. There's no way you got 128. >> Mark. There's no way you got 128. >> Mark. There's no way you got 128. >> It could be. I mean, I have seen people >> It could be. I mean, I have seen people >> It could be. I mean, I have seen people >> What's the average range? >> What's the average range? >> What's the average range? >> Oh, it's it's it's pretty genetic, >> Oh, it's it's it's pretty genetic, >> Oh, it's it's it's pretty genetic, believe it or not. believe it or not. believe it or not. >> Um, but the average and it declines by >> Um, but the average and it declines by >> Um, but the average and it declines by age. So, for people our age, age. So, for people our age, age. So, for people our age, >> that was on Saturday. >> that was on Saturday. >> that was on Saturday. I I don't know what any of this means. I I don't know what any of this means. I I don't know what any of this means. >> He just hooked his Whoop up to this >> He just hooked his Whoop up to this >> He just hooked his Whoop up to this baby. baby. baby. >> Look, there's You know what? Your your >> Look, there's You know what? Your your >> Look, there's You know what? Your your six-month average is 88 milliseconds. I six-month average is 88 milliseconds. I six-month average is 88 milliseconds. I don't know what Whoop's algorithm is, don't know what Whoop's algorithm is, don't know what Whoop's algorithm is, but I'm assuming they do it with There's but I'm assuming they do it with There's but I'm assuming they do it with There's two ways you can calculate HRV, and they two ways you can calculate HRV, and they two ways you can calculate HRV, and they differ by about a factor of three. So, differ by about a factor of three. So, differ by about a factor of three. So, assuming these guys do it the way most

50:00assuming these guys do it the way most assuming these guys do it the way most consumer products do it, you you would consumer products do it, you you would consumer products do it, you you would be at the upper upper end of what an be at the upper upper end of what an be at the upper upper end of what an adult would be at. But again, so that's adult would be at. But again, so that's adult would be at. But again, so that's great news. We don't know if that means great news. We don't know if that means great news. We don't know if that means anything. What it tells us >> suck. >> suck. >> I'll get you guys all nurse simulators. >> I'll get you guys all nurse simulators. >> I'll get you guys all nurse simulators. But but the point is on a but a relative But but the point is on a but a relative But but the point is on a but a relative change is what you should be paying change is what you should be paying change is what you should be paying attention to. So if your average is, you attention to. So if your average is, you attention to. So if your average is, you know, whatever know, whatever know, whatever >> for the month your average is 92. >> for the month your average is 92. >> for the month your average is 92. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Then you want to know like is this thing >> Then you want to know like is this thing >> Then you want to know like is this thing dramatically taking you up from that? I dramatically taking you up from that? I dramatically taking you up from that? I don't know how you got a 124, but man, don't know how you got a 124, but man, don't know how you got a 124, but man, that's impressive. that's impressive. that's impressive. >> I just had a baby and I slept on the >> I just had a baby and I slept on the >> I just had a baby and I slept on the road in a hotel. road in a hotel. road in a hotel. >> What is that? I did have a high HRV. >> What is that? I did have a high HRV. >> What is that? I did have a high HRV. Like, what is that? Like, what is that? Like, what is that? >> Well, all things equal, it says your >> Well, all things equal, it says your >> Well, all things equal, it says your parasympathetic tone is higher. Your parasympathetic tone is higher. Your parasympathetic tone is higher. Your sympathetic tone is lower. That's a good sympathetic tone is lower. That's a good sympathetic tone is lower. That's a good thing thing thing >> for you. Like, how does it affect the >> for you. Like, how does it affect the >> for you. Like, how does it affect the body? body? body? >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> cuz when I was growing up, HIV was a >> cuz when I was growing up, HIV was a >> cuz when I was growing up, HIV was a horrible ter. [Music] [Music] >> The one about homo sapiens. that clip a

51:00>> The one about homo sapiens. that clip a >> The one about homo sapiens. that clip a great clip and there's four like British great clip and there's four like British great clip and there's four like British scientists around him that kept taking scientists around him that kept taking scientists around him that kept taking him serious not whatever you do in your him serious not whatever you do in your him serious not whatever you do in your life is fine bro life is fine bro life is fine bro [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] >> okay but what is HRV what are the >> okay but what is HRV what are the >> okay but what is HRV what are the benefits of HRV benefits of HRV benefits of HRV >> HRV means how much variability is there >> HRV means how much variability is there >> HRV means how much variability is there in between your heartbeats and what it in between your heartbeats and what it in between your heartbeats and what it measures is if the uh sympathetic system measures is if the uh sympathetic system measures is if the uh sympathetic system the fight orflight system is like the the fight orflight system is like the the fight orflight system is like the gas pedal and the parasympathetic the gas pedal and the parasympathetic the gas pedal and the parasympathetic the Rest or digest system is like the brake Rest or digest system is like the brake Rest or digest system is like the brake pedal. HRV me basically tells us what is pedal. HRV me basically tells us what is pedal. HRV me basically tells us what is the balance of throttle to break. Okay. the balance of throttle to break. Okay. the balance of throttle to break. Okay. >> And so when you are sleeping you want to >> And so when you are sleeping you want to >> And so when you are sleeping you want to be in a rested state. You actually want be in a rested state. You actually want be in a rested state. You actually want your HRV to be as high as possible. your HRV to be as high as possible. your HRV to be as high as possible. >> So why one person has an HRV of 100 and >> So why one person has an HRV of 100 and >> So why one person has an HRV of 100 and one person has an HRV of 30 and one one person has an HRV of 30 and one one person has an HRV of 30 and one person has an HRV of 50 whatever that person has an HRV of 50 whatever that person has an HRV of 50 whatever that seems to be just a genetic issue. Um, seems to be just a genetic issue. Um, seems to be just a genetic issue. Um, but for a given individual, there are

52:00but for a given individual, there are but for a given individual, there are things that are going to lower your HRV, things that are going to lower your HRV, things that are going to lower your HRV, >> and those are things that we ought to >> and those are things that we ought to >> and those are things that we ought to avoid. So, I'm sure all of you have avoid. So, I'm sure all of you have avoid. So, I'm sure all of you have learned this. If you have a wearable, learned this. If you have a wearable, learned this. If you have a wearable, drink alcohol before bed, there is no drink alcohol before bed, there is no drink alcohol before bed, there is no sureer way to tank your HRV. Eat food sureer way to tank your HRV. Eat food sureer way to tank your HRV. Eat food before bed, HRV goes down. Sleep in a before bed, HRV goes down. Sleep in a before bed, HRV goes down. Sleep in a hot room, HRV goes down. Uh, you know, hot room, HRV goes down. Uh, you know, hot room, HRV goes down. Uh, you know, all of these things are are going to all of these things are are going to all of these things are are going to kind of overtrain. So, something as good kind of overtrain. So, something as good kind of overtrain. So, something as good as too much exercise, HRV goes down. as too much exercise, HRV goes down. as too much exercise, HRV goes down. >> H, >> H, >> H, >> do you use a wearable? Um I don't but I >> do you use a wearable? Um I don't but I >> do you use a wearable? Um I don't but I I sleep on a mattress called an eightle. I sleep on a mattress called an eightle. I sleep on a mattress called an eightle. >> Yeah, eight is fantastic. >> Yeah, eight is fantastic. >> Yeah, eight is fantastic. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I think it's genius. >> I think it's genius. >> I think it's genius. >> And by the way, I'm an adviser to them. >> And by the way, I'm an adviser to them. >> And by the way, I'm an adviser to them. So now I should just disclose all that. So now I should just disclose all that. So now I should just disclose all that. So all disclosed, but what I thought was So all disclosed, but what I thought was So all disclosed, but what I thought was so so so >> I have a mattress cover. >> I have a mattress cover. >> I have a mattress cover. >> Okay, the cover is really Nobody wants >> Okay, the cover is really Nobody wants >> Okay, the cover is really Nobody wants to leave their mattress initially. It's to leave their mattress initially. It's to leave their mattress initially. It's a really daunting task to change m a really daunting task to change m a really daunting task to change m you're sleeping pretty good. you're sleeping pretty good. you're sleeping pretty good. >> I don't I think 99% of people who use >> I don't I think 99% of people who use >> I don't I think 99% of people who use eight use the mattress cover. eight use the mattress cover. eight use the mattress cover. >> But I think that was the great >> But I think that was the great >> But I think that was the great innovation cuz I've heard other mattress innovation cuz I've heard other mattress innovation cuz I've heard other mattress companies. There was a buddy of mine who companies. There was a buddy of mine who companies. There was a buddy of mine who was an engineer. He was working on a was an engineer. He was working on a was an engineer. He was working on a cooling mattress. I was like, "Bro, now cooling mattress. I was like, "Bro, now cooling mattress. I was like, "Bro, now you got to convince people to buy this you got to convince people to buy this you got to convince people to buy this like science mattress." No. If you get

53:00like science mattress." No. If you get like science mattress." No. If you get something that goes over it, something that goes over it, something that goes over it, >> yes, they'll do it. They'll try it once >> yes, they'll do it. They'll try it once >> yes, they'll do it. They'll try it once or twice. If they don't like it, maybe or twice. If they don't like it, maybe or twice. If they don't like it, maybe they send it back. I just thought it was they send it back. I just thought it was they send it back. I just thought it was a really smart innovation. a really smart innovation. a really smart innovation. >> It is. It is hands down the thing I have >> It is. It is hands down the thing I have >> It is. It is hands down the thing I have become most dependent on that most become most dependent on that most become most dependent on that most differentiates the quality of my sleep differentiates the quality of my sleep differentiates the quality of my sleep at home versus being at a hotel. at home versus being at a hotel. at home versus being at a hotel. >> Really, >> Really, >> Really, >> I mean, I am obsessed with this thing. >> I mean, I am obsessed with this thing. >> I mean, I am obsessed with this thing. And it my my sleep at home is it's it's And it my my sleep at home is it's it's And it my my sleep at home is it's it's Phelps. So, I run it to work like my Phelps. So, I run it to work like my Phelps. So, I run it to work like my body is supposed to work. So, you're body is supposed to work. So, you're body is supposed to work. So, you're supposed to get into bed, supposed to get into bed, supposed to get into bed, >> I don't know, I have mine at like minus >> I don't know, I have mine at like minus >> I don't know, I have mine at like minus 5 when I get into bed and then rapidly 5 when I get into bed and then rapidly 5 when I get into bed and then rapidly get cooler and then before I wake up in get cooler and then before I wake up in get cooler and then before I wake up in the morning, warm me up a little bit and the morning, warm me up a little bit and the morning, warm me up a little bit and that kind of mimics sort of what you that kind of mimics sort of what you that kind of mimics sort of what you want to be able to do. want to be able to do. want to be able to do. >> Does it does it affect you and your >> Does it does it affect you and your >> Does it does it affect you and your wife? wife? wife? >> You can separate them so she doesn't >> You can separate them so she doesn't >> You can separate them so she doesn't like it as cold as mine. like it as cold as mine. like it as cold as mine. >> Sometimes you got to [ __ ] with her, >> Sometimes you got to [ __ ] with her, >> Sometimes you got to [ __ ] with her, though. though. though. >> I mean, freeze it up. Oh, your HRV is a >> I mean, freeze it up. Oh, your HRV is a >> I mean, freeze it up. Oh, your HRV is a little low. Oh, maybe you should be little low. Oh, maybe you should be little low. Oh, maybe you should be nicer when I come off the beach. Okay. Can I ask about your supplements, Okay. Can I ask about your supplements, stack? stack? stack? >> Sure.

54:00>> He gets this question a million times. >> He gets this question a million times. >> Okay. Can I ask you about my >> Okay. Can I ask you about my >> Okay. Can I ask you about my supplements? supplements? supplements? >> That's what you really want. >> That's what you really want. >> That's what you really want. >> That's really what I was wondering. >> That's really what I was wondering. >> That's really what I was wondering. >> That's really it. >> That's really it. >> That's really it. >> Daily creatine. >> Daily creatine. >> Daily creatine. >> I think it's a go. >> I think it's a go. >> I think it's a go. >> Why is creatine good? >> Why is creatine good? >> Why is creatine good? >> Um, I mean, I think it's it's pretty >> Um, I mean, I think it's it's pretty >> Um, I mean, I think it's it's pretty good if you're training. Um, you know good if you're training. Um, you know good if you're training. Um, you know how it works. I'm assuming you kind of how it works. I'm assuming you kind of how it works. I'm assuming you kind of understand the gist. understand the gist. understand the gist. >> Holds water. >> Holds water. >> Holds water. >> Uh, that's a net effect of it, but >> Uh, that's a net effect of it, but >> Uh, that's a net effect of it, but that's not the desirable effect of it. that's not the desirable effect of it. that's not the desirable effect of it. it um you know everything in in energy it um you know everything in in energy it um you know everything in in energy metabolism is about transferring metabolism is about transferring metabolism is about transferring phosphates. So you've heard of ATP. Yep. phosphates. So you've heard of ATP. Yep. phosphates. So you've heard of ATP. Yep. >> Yeah. So ATP is the energy currency. So >> Yeah. So ATP is the energy currency. So >> Yeah. So ATP is the energy currency. So creatine phosphate is the fastest form creatine phosphate is the fastest form creatine phosphate is the fastest form of phosphate deliver. of phosphate deliver. of phosphate deliver. >> Gets it. Okay. Got it. So it aids >> Gets it. Okay. Got it. So it aids >> Gets it. Okay. Got it. So it aids recovery. recovery. recovery. >> So more creatine means more creatine >> So more creatine means more creatine >> So more creatine means more creatine phosphate. So aids in performance phosphate. So aids in performance phosphate. So aids in performance basically. Um there's also some benefit basically. Um there's also some benefit basically. Um there's also some benefit uh some evidence that it improves uh some evidence that it improves uh some evidence that it improves cognition cognition cognition >> although that seems more pronounced in >> although that seems more pronounced in >> although that seems more pronounced in people who are deficient in creatine people who are deficient in creatine people who are deficient in creatine which might be more likely in which might be more likely in which might be more likely in vegetarians than non-vegetarians. So vegetarians than non-vegetarians. So vegetarians than non-vegetarians. So maybe if you're a vegetarian in addition maybe if you're a vegetarian in addition maybe if you're a vegetarian in addition to supplementing a whole bunch of things to supplementing a whole bunch of things to supplementing a whole bunch of things like B vitamins that you might want to

55:00like B vitamins that you might want to like B vitamins that you might want to even more consider creatine but for the even more consider creatine but for the even more consider creatine but for the most part I think creatine is a a good most part I think creatine is a a good most part I think creatine is a a good thing to be supplementing. I have a thing to be supplementing. I have a thing to be supplementing. I have a friend of mine who who religiously uses friend of mine who who religiously uses friend of mine who who religiously uses creatine now. And by religiously, I mean creatine now. And by religiously, I mean creatine now. And by religiously, I mean two weeks he's on it. two weeks he's on it. two weeks he's on it. >> And my friend Jason and he his body he >> And my friend Jason and he his body he >> And my friend Jason and he his body he looks like a penguin. Is that a side looks like a penguin. Is that a side looks like a penguin. Is that a side effect? >> Does it do that to you or No, there's no >> Does it do that to you or No, there's no real data that would show that. real data that would show that. real data that would show that. >> Okay. So, creatine, you're good. >> Okay. So, creatine, you're good. >> Okay. So, creatine, you're good. >> Magnesium before you sleep. >> Magnesium before you sleep. >> Magnesium before you sleep. >> Yeah, for sure. Okay. Uh like vitamins >> Yeah, for sure. Okay. Uh like vitamins >> Yeah, for sure. Okay. Uh like vitamins A, B, C, D, any of those. A, B, C, D, any of those. A, B, C, D, any of those. >> Uh some of them I think D is good to get >> Uh some of them I think D is good to get >> Uh some of them I think D is good to get D. You should think about what's the D. You should think about what's the D. You should think about what's the level you're trying to get to. So it's level you're trying to get to. So it's level you're trying to get to. So it's um I think if you you know getting your um I think if you you know getting your um I think if you you know getting your vitamin D to between 40 and 60 for most vitamin D to between 40 and 60 for most vitamin D to between 40 and 60 for most people requires supplementation, people requires supplementation, people requires supplementation, >> but most people are like deficient in >> but most people are like deficient in >> but most people are like deficient in vitamin D. vitamin D. vitamin D. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So supplementing is is solid. >> So supplementing is is solid. >> So supplementing is is solid. >> Yeah. But just you always have to >> Yeah. But just you always have to >> Yeah. But just you always have to measure the level to make sure you know

56:00measure the level to make sure you know measure the level to make sure you know you're not doing too much or not doing you're not doing too much or not doing you're not doing too much or not doing too little. too little. too little. >> Okay. fish oil or cod liver oil. >> Okay. fish oil or cod liver oil. >> Okay. fish oil or cod liver oil. >> I think so for most people, but you got >> I think so for most people, but you got >> I think so for most people, but you got to get a good source of it because it's to get a good source of it because it's to get a good source of it because it's um there's so many contaminations out um there's so many contaminations out um there's so many contaminations out there. So like Carlson's is a good there. So like Carlson's is a good there. So like Carlson's is a good brand. Nordic Naturals is a good brand. brand. Nordic Naturals is a good brand. brand. Nordic Naturals is a good brand. I have no affiliation with these I have no affiliation with these I have no affiliation with these companies. Um but they're clean. So companies. Um but they're clean. So companies. Um but they're clean. So meaning third party testing comes in and meaning third party testing comes in and meaning third party testing comes in and makes sure they don't have heavy metals makes sure they don't have heavy metals makes sure they don't have heavy metals in them and stuff like that. in them and stuff like that. in them and stuff like that. >> Got it. And then what is your coffee >> Got it. And then what is your coffee >> Got it. And then what is your coffee protocol? protocol? protocol? >> Um >> Um >> caffeine rather. >> caffeine rather. >> caffeine rather. >> Yeah, I love coffee. Uh, unfortunately, >> Yeah, I love coffee. Uh, unfortunately, >> Yeah, I love coffee. Uh, unfortunately, I'm a super fast metabolizer of I'm a super fast metabolizer of I'm a super fast metabolizer of caffeine, so I don't really get a jolt caffeine, so I don't really get a jolt caffeine, so I don't really get a jolt from it, but I just love the ritual and from it, but I just love the ritual and from it, but I just love the ritual and the taste and the flavor. And I recently the taste and the flavor. And I recently the taste and the flavor. And I recently switched over to this machine that is switched over to this machine that is switched over to this machine that is all glass and metal. So, it makes a all glass and metal. So, it makes a all glass and metal. So, it makes a really nice drip coffee, but without any really nice drip coffee, but without any really nice drip coffee, but without any of the plastic, cuz I have I have been of the plastic, cuz I have I have been of the plastic, cuz I have I have been trying to get rid of obvious sources of trying to get rid of obvious sources of trying to get rid of obvious sources of >> microplastics. Not that I'm like >> microplastics. Not that I'm like >> microplastics. Not that I'm like fanatical about this, but fanatical about this, but fanatical about this, but >> continue. >> continue. >> continue. >> Yeah. So, hot water and plastic is

57:00>> Yeah. So, hot water and plastic is >> Yeah. So, hot water and plastic is something I'm trying to avoid, right? something I'm trying to avoid, right? something I'm trying to avoid, right? So, so I it occurred to me after making So, so I it occurred to me after making So, so I it occurred to me after making this podcast on the topic. I was like, this podcast on the topic. I was like, this podcast on the topic. I was like, man, every morning I put coffee in that man, every morning I put coffee in that man, every morning I put coffee in that thing and it drips scalding hot water thing and it drips scalding hot water thing and it drips scalding hot water through 27 layers of plastic into my through 27 layers of plastic into my through 27 layers of plastic into my glass carff. I was like, there's got to glass carff. I was like, there's got to glass carff. I was like, there's got to be a way to do this. So, now that I be a way to do this. So, now that I be a way to do this. So, now that I discovered this thing, which I can't discovered this thing, which I can't discovered this thing, which I can't remember what it's called, but it's like remember what it's called, but it's like remember what it's called, but it's like it's an all glass version. A listener it's an all glass version. A listener it's an all glass version. A listener sent it to me because I was lamenting on sent it to me because I was lamenting on sent it to me because I was lamenting on the podcast that I couldn't find the podcast that I couldn't find the podcast that I couldn't find something and they're like something and they're like something and they're like >> cutting boards that are not made out of >> cutting boards that are not made out of >> cutting boards that are not made out of wood. Like they'll have like uh I guess wood. Like they'll have like uh I guess wood. Like they'll have like uh I guess plastic cutting boards and you'll get plastic cutting boards and you'll get plastic cutting boards and you'll get tons of microplastics from that kind of tons of microplastics from that kind of tons of microplastics from that kind of stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Yeah, I like the wooden ones frankly. >> Yeah, I like the wooden ones frankly. >> Yeah, I like the wooden ones frankly. >> Breaking if you're in a urban area every >> Breaking if you're in a urban area every >> Breaking if you're in a urban area every time a car uses their brakes, right? time a car uses their brakes, right? time a car uses their brakes, right? It's like sending like millions of It's like sending like millions of It's like sending like millions of microplastics into the air. microplastics into the air. microplastics into the air. >> Yeah. I mean, I think at some point >> Yeah. I mean, I think at some point >> Yeah. I mean, I think at some point there's kind of like the 8020 rule on there's kind of like the 8020 rule on there's kind of like the 8020 rule on this stuff with relatively low effort. I this stuff with relatively low effort. I this stuff with relatively low effort. I think you can eliminate 80% of your think you can eliminate 80% of your think you can eliminate 80% of your exposure and then you could drive exposure and then you could drive exposure and then you could drive yourself crazy and not get the other 20% yourself crazy and not get the other 20% yourself crazy and not get the other 20% out out out >> and just leave that out. >> and just leave that out. >> and just leave that out. >> Yeah. Just just ignore that stuff. >> Yeah. Just just ignore that stuff. >> Yeah. Just just ignore that stuff. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Do you have any more?

58:00>> Do you have any more? >> Do you have any more? >> Not for supplements. No. >> Not for supplements. No. >> Not for supplements. No. >> Okay. We We all have tons more >> Okay. We We all have tons more >> Okay. We We all have tons more questions. questions. questions. >> Oh, nicotine was the other one. >> Oh, nicotine was the other one. >> Oh, nicotine was the other one. >> Oh, yes. Well, I let me ask one question >> Oh, yes. Well, I let me ask one question >> Oh, yes. Well, I let me ask one question before just because we're on before just because we're on before just because we're on microplastics because the second that I microplastics because the second that I microplastics because the second that I told the whole world that my sperm told the whole world that my sperm told the whole world that my sperm doesn't swim, I got a lot of very doesn't swim, I got a lot of very doesn't swim, I got a lot of very concerned people including you. It was concerned people including you. It was concerned people including you. It was really great. Like, so I think one of really great. Like, so I think one of really great. Like, so I think one of your guys that works for you hit up and your guys that works for you hit up and your guys that works for you hit up and was like, "Hey, Dr. T, would love to hit was like, "Hey, Dr. T, would love to hit was like, "Hey, Dr. T, would love to hit you up and talk to you about your you up and talk to you about your you up and talk to you about your sperm." And I was like, "That sounds sperm." And I was like, "That sounds sperm." And I was like, "That sounds like really awesome." If it was a year like really awesome." If it was a year like really awesome." If it was a year ago when I couldn't breathe, ago when I couldn't breathe, ago when I couldn't breathe, but no, this is great. And then you sent but no, this is great. And then you sent but no, this is great. And then you sent me this like awesome podcast which is me this like awesome podcast which is me this like awesome podcast which is out now with Dr. who what was his name? out now with Dr. who what was his name? out now with Dr. who what was his name? >> Paul Trek. >> Paul Trek. >> Paul Trek. >> Paul Trek. Okay. I got a lot of like >> Paul Trek. Okay. I got a lot of like >> Paul Trek. Okay. I got a lot of like online diagnoses about certain things. online diagnoses about certain things. online diagnoses about certain things. People are like, "Yo, watch out for the People are like, "Yo, watch out for the People are like, "Yo, watch out for the microplastics." I'm starting to read all microplastics." I'm starting to read all microplastics." I'm starting to read all these articles about like what's these articles about like what's these articles about like what's happening in male fertility and they say happening in male fertility and they say happening in male fertility and they say like sperm quality has decreased 50% in like sperm quality has decreased 50% in like sperm quality has decreased 50% in the last 50 years. Like can you kind of the last 50 years. Like can you kind of the last 50 years. Like can you kind of uh uh can you talk about that a little bit? can you talk about that a little bit? can you talk about that a little bit? Just like is sperm quality decreasing in Just like is sperm quality decreasing in Just like is sperm quality decreasing in America? Is that are we just testing it America? Is that are we just testing it America? Is that are we just testing it better? You know what what is happening

59:00better? You know what what is happening better? You know what what is happening with microplastic? Does that affect it? with microplastic? Does that affect it? with microplastic? Does that affect it? What do you think affected mine? So I I What do you think affected mine? So I I What do you think affected mine? So I I think that there are so many things think that there are so many things think that there are so many things going on and it's impossible to say going on and it's impossible to say going on and it's impossible to say which one or two or three are driving which one or two or three are driving which one or two or three are driving it. It's kind of like the US health care it. It's kind of like the US health care it. It's kind of like the US health care system. You know when someone says why system. You know when someone says why system. You know when someone says why does the US spend more than twice what does the US spend more than twice what does the US spend more than twice what any other country spends? any other country spends? any other country spends? >> I'm like how much time do you have? Cuz >> I'm like how much time do you have? Cuz >> I'm like how much time do you have? Cuz it's it's I'm going to have to explain it's it's I'm going to have to explain it's it's I'm going to have to explain the entire system. I won't do that here the entire system. I won't do that here the entire system. I won't do that here on the sperm issue but it's a lot of on the sperm issue but it's a lot of on the sperm issue but it's a lot of things right. So, as as males are things right. So, as as males are things right. So, as as males are getting older at the time of wanting to getting older at the time of wanting to getting older at the time of wanting to reproduce, age is driving down quality. reproduce, age is driving down quality. reproduce, age is driving down quality. Um, Um, Um, >> but at what age? I was told that that's >> but at what age? I was told that that's >> but at what age? I was told that that's doesn't happen till we're like 60. doesn't happen till we're like 60. doesn't happen till we're like 60. >> Um, no. I mean, at 50, you fall off a >> Um, no. I mean, at 50, you fall off a >> Um, no. I mean, at 50, you fall off a cliff from the standpoint of the quality cliff from the standpoint of the quality cliff from the standpoint of the quality of the sperm. of the sperm. of the sperm. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Um, but remember, as you're getting >> Um, but remember, as you're getting >> Um, but remember, as you're getting older, testosterone's going down as older, testosterone's going down as older, testosterone's going down as well. Well, then you factor in if well. Well, then you factor in if well. Well, then you factor in if testosterone is going down and more men testosterone is going down and more men testosterone is going down and more men are using testosterone replacement

1:00are using testosterone replacement are using testosterone replacement therapy, that's also uh reducing therapy, that's also uh reducing therapy, that's also uh reducing fertility. If you're using actual fertility. If you're using actual fertility. If you're using actual exogenous testosterone, exogenous testosterone, exogenous testosterone, the relationship between obesity and the relationship between obesity and the relationship between obesity and metabolic disease is also pretty metabolic disease is also pretty metabolic disease is also pretty significant and men on average today are significant and men on average today are significant and men on average today are much fatter and less healthier. That much fatter and less healthier. That much fatter and less healthier. That doesn't explain you, but clearly there's doesn't explain you, but clearly there's doesn't explain you, but clearly there's something going on at the population something going on at the population something going on at the population level there. That also probably has the level there. That also probably has the level there. That also probably has the greatest impact on declining greatest impact on declining greatest impact on declining testosterone levels. testosterone levels. testosterone levels. um is just inflammation, obesity, um um is just inflammation, obesity, um um is just inflammation, obesity, um more aromatization, meaning turning more aromatization, meaning turning more aromatization, meaning turning testosterone into estrogen. Um you know, testosterone into estrogen. Um you know, testosterone into estrogen. Um you know, it's funny. I don't think I don't know it's funny. I don't think I don't know it's funny. I don't think I don't know enough about STDs, so I don't know if enough about STDs, so I don't know if enough about STDs, so I don't know if they're going up, but STDs play a pretty they're going up, but STDs play a pretty they're going up, but STDs play a pretty big role in for infertility as well. So big role in for infertility as well. So big role in for infertility as well. So yeah, if you get like um uh an infection yeah, if you get like um uh an infection yeah, if you get like um uh an infection of the epidmus uh which is the of the epidmus uh which is the of the epidmus uh which is the collecting system on the back of the collecting system on the back of the collecting system on the back of the testes and you get recurrent epidommitis testes and you get recurrent epidommitis testes and you get recurrent epidommitis and again you can get those from UTI or and again you can get those from UTI or and again you can get those from UTI or other things, but STDs are the most other things, but STDs are the most other things, but STDs are the most common cause of that. Um so again, I

1:01common cause of that. Um so again, I common cause of that. Um so again, I don't I don't really know what's going don't I don't really know what's going don't I don't really know what's going on with chlamyia and gorrhea these days. on with chlamyia and gorrhea these days. on with chlamyia and gorrhea these days. I don't sort of see that stuff in my I don't sort of see that stuff in my I don't sort of see that stuff in my practice, but my guess is that that practice, but my guess is that that practice, but my guess is that that could be playing a role. So I think it's could be playing a role. So I think it's could be playing a role. So I think it's probably a death by a thousand cuts. I probably a death by a thousand cuts. I probably a death by a thousand cuts. I don't think there's a smoking gun. Do don't think there's a smoking gun. Do don't think there's a smoking gun. Do microplastics play a role? Yeah, it's microplastics play a role? Yeah, it's microplastics play a role? Yeah, it's possible. Would they do? I read some possible. Would they do? I read some possible. Would they do? I read some reports saying they found microplastics reports saying they found microplastics reports saying they found microplastics in sperm samples. in sperm samples. in sperm samples. >> Yeah, I mean maybe. I I don't know that >> Yeah, I mean maybe. I I don't know that >> Yeah, I mean maybe. I I don't know that that by itself is a smoking gun here. that by itself is a smoking gun here. that by itself is a smoking gun here. You know, I you know, you can find You know, I you know, you can find You know, I you know, you can find microplastics in many things and I don't microplastics in many things and I don't microplastics in many things and I don't know if it's causally driving the the know if it's causally driving the the know if it's causally driving the the problem that you're seeing. That said, problem that you're seeing. That said, problem that you're seeing. That said, all things equal, I'd probably prefer all things equal, I'd probably prefer all things equal, I'd probably prefer not to see microplastics in sperm than not to see microplastics in sperm than not to see microplastics in sperm than to see them. Um especially as we talked to see them. Um especially as we talked to see them. Um especially as we talked about in that podcast. I mean, the about in that podcast. I mean, the about in that podcast. I mean, the process is so it's it's so hard to process is so it's it's so hard to process is so it's it's so hard to believe it actually happens. Can you believe it actually happens. Can you believe it actually happens. Can you break down the process of impregnating a break down the process of impregnating a break down the process of impregnating a woman? woman? woman? >> Yeah. I mean, I think again, I think >> Yeah. I mean, I think again, I think >> Yeah. I mean, I think again, I think Paul does a much better job, but the Paul does a much better job, but the Paul does a much better job, but the gist of it is that, you know, when a guy gist of it is that, you know, when a guy gist of it is that, you know, when a guy ejaculates, a 100,000 sperm come ejaculates, a 100,000 sperm come ejaculates, a 100,000 sperm come shooting. shooting. shooting. >> 100 million. >> 100 million. >> 100 million. >> That's right. 100 million sperm. Thank >> That's right. 100 million sperm. Thank >> That's right. 100 million sperm. Thank you. Uh go shooting into uh the vagina.

1:02you. Uh go shooting into uh the vagina. you. Uh go shooting into uh the vagina. And you said it best, right? It's like And you said it best, right? It's like And you said it best, right? It's like it's like wave after wave of soldier it's like wave after wave of soldier it's like wave after wave of soldier just getting destroyed, destroyed, just getting destroyed, destroyed, just getting destroyed, destroyed, destroyed. And finally, as the acidity destroyed. And finally, as the acidity destroyed. And finally, as the acidity of that environment and the harshness of of that environment and the harshness of of that environment and the harshness of that environment, a you know, a a few of that environment, a you know, a a few of that environment, a you know, a a few of them manage to get through and then they them manage to get through and then they them manage to get through and then they now they're in the uterus and then now they're in the uterus and then now they're in the uterus and then they've got this whole other challenge they've got this whole other challenge they've got this whole other challenge because they have to eventually make because they have to eventually make because they have to eventually make their way up the fallopian tube. But the their way up the fallopian tube. But the their way up the fallopian tube. But the punch line is like only about a hundred punch line is like only about a hundred punch line is like only about a hundred of the hundred million make their way to of the hundred million make their way to of the hundred million make their way to the egg. the egg. the egg. >> How insane is that? You So 100 million >> How insane is that? You So 100 million >> How insane is that? You So 100 million start, a 100red end up going there. I start, a 100red end up going there. I start, a 100red end up going there. I think it was like 100 million by the think it was like 100 million by the think it was like 100 million by the time. Yeah, cuz the pH in the time. Yeah, cuz the pH in the time. Yeah, cuz the pH in the >> in the vagina is like quite acidic. Yes. >> in the vagina is like quite acidic. Yes. >> in the vagina is like quite acidic. Yes. >> So I think it it narrows it down to 5 >> So I think it it narrows it down to 5 >> So I think it it narrows it down to 5 million. And then going through the million. And then going through the million. And then going through the fallopian tubes, you're down to 100 fallopian tubes, you're down to 100 fallopian tubes, you're down to 100 sperm. That's your chance every time you sperm. That's your chance every time you sperm. That's your chance every time you do it. do it. do it. >> And they have to swim. And we were >> And they have to swim. And we were >> And they have to swim. And we were talking about this before the podcast. A talking about this before the podcast. A talking about this before the podcast. A sperm in order to get from the vagina to sperm in order to get from the vagina to sperm in order to get from the vagina to the egg has to swim the equivalent the egg has to swim the equivalent the egg has to swim the equivalent sizewise of us swimming 20 miles.

1:03sizewise of us swimming 20 miles. sizewise of us swimming 20 miles. >> Catalina. >> Catalina. >> Catalina. >> Yeah. So you think of the energy >> Yeah. So you think of the energy >> Yeah. So you think of the energy requirement of that little fleeller tail requirement of that little fleeller tail requirement of that little fleeller tail on the back of a sperm. on the back of a sperm. on the back of a sperm. >> Oh, that was cool too about how like >> Oh, that was cool too about how like >> Oh, that was cool too about how like each one has a limited amount of fuel each one has a limited amount of fuel each one has a limited amount of fuel essentially. So each sperm has the fuel essentially. So each sperm has the fuel essentially. So each sperm has the fuel and it's used to get to the egg and and it's used to get to the egg and and it's used to get to the egg and after that there's no reserve one way. after that there's no reserve one way. after that there's no reserve one way. That's it. So it's a rocket. That's it. So it's a rocket. That's it. So it's a rocket. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's wild. Now is it the first sperm >> That's wild. Now is it the first sperm >> That's wild. Now is it the first sperm to reach the the egg or does the egg to reach the the egg or does the egg to reach the the egg or does the egg have any selection process? have any selection process? have any selection process? >> Uh so interesting. So as the once you >> Uh so interesting. So as the once you >> Uh so interesting. So as the once you now get down to that group that are now get down to that group that are now get down to that group that are getting to the sperm up to the egg, it's getting to the sperm up to the egg, it's getting to the sperm up to the egg, it's the first one that gets embedded that the first one that gets embedded that the first one that gets embedded that actually triggers this incredible actually triggers this incredible actually triggers this incredible electrical electrical electrical system like a force field forms around system like a force field forms around system like a force field forms around the egg and no other sperm can get in. the egg and no other sperm can get in. the egg and no other sperm can get in. And the reason that's so important is And the reason that's so important is And the reason that's so important is you would create what's called annuployy you would create what's called annuployy you would create what's called annuployy where you have multiple copies of where you have multiple copies of where you have multiple copies of chromosomes if you do this and that chromosomes if you do this and that chromosomes if you do this and that would be catastrophic. M. would be catastrophic. M. would be catastrophic. M. >> So that to me is my favorite part of >> So that to me is my favorite part of

1:04>> So that to me is my favorite part of that is there's this whole calcium that is there's this whole calcium that is there's this whole calcium channel that like flips a switched channel that like flips a switched channel that like flips a switched the second like the millisecond that the second like the millisecond that the second like the millisecond that that first sperm makes contact. It's that first sperm makes contact. It's that first sperm makes contact. It's just a and then away it goes. just a and then away it goes. just a and then away it goes. >> But how crazy is it that like your >> But how crazy is it that like your >> But how crazy is it that like your fastest quote unquote I don't know if fastest quote unquote I don't know if fastest quote unquote I don't know if they're the best but the first few lines they're the best but the first few lines they're the best but the first few lines we're talking about 95 million your 95 we're talking about 95 million your 95 we're talking about 95 million your 95 million best sperm get axed the second million best sperm get axed the second million best sperm get axed the second they touch the shore. they touch the shore. they touch the shore. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Right. So the last 5 million who are >> Right. So the last 5 million who are >> Right. So the last 5 million who are just like chilling, hanging out, like just like chilling, hanging out, like just like chilling, hanging out, like watching to see what went on are the watching to see what went on are the watching to see what went on are the only ones that end up getting there. So only ones that end up getting there. So only ones that end up getting there. So is there an argument that if you were to is there an argument that if you were to is there an argument that if you were to select sperm like in in vitro or select sperm like in in vitro or select sperm like in in vitro or something like that that those might be something like that that those might be something like that that those might be potentially part of the first wave? potentially part of the first wave? potentially part of the first wave? >> Such a great question. But of course, >> Such a great question. But of course, >> Such a great question. But of course, right? So so I guess the question is are right? So so I guess the question is are right? So so I guess the question is are the first ones that get out stoastically the first ones that get out stoastically the first ones that get out stoastically determined to be the first ones out or determined to be the first ones out or determined to be the first ones out or is there a selection benefit to being is there a selection benefit to being is there a selection benefit to being the first one out? If there's a the first one out? If there's a the first one out? If there's a selection benefit to being the first one selection benefit to being the first one selection benefit to being the first one out, then it means IVF is probably out, then it means IVF is probably out, then it means IVF is probably altering that mix cuz IVF would be just altering that mix cuz IVF would be just altering that mix cuz IVF would be just picking randomly. picking randomly. picking randomly. >> If it's if there's no survival reason

1:05>> If it's if there's no survival reason >> If it's if there's no survival reason why those first ones are out and the why those first ones are out and the why those first ones are out and the five million are at the back, then it five million are at the back, then it five million are at the back, then it probably wouldn't matter. probably wouldn't matter. probably wouldn't matter. >> Okay, that's what you would hope because >> Okay, that's what you would hope because >> Okay, that's what you would hope because they do like a sperm cleaning is what they do like a sperm cleaning is what they do like a sperm cleaning is what they call where they essentially look they call where they essentially look they call where they essentially look for like the healthiest versions and um for like the healthiest versions and um for like the healthiest versions and um and they'll take them and plant them. and they'll take them and plant them. and they'll take them and plant them. But god forbid if you know they weren't But god forbid if you know they weren't But god forbid if you know they weren't like supposed to be there. Ooh. But then like supposed to be there. Ooh. But then like supposed to be there. Ooh. But then again, if they are the strongest, that's again, if they are the strongest, that's again, if they are the strongest, that's a lot of pressure on my kid. Like, you a lot of pressure on my kid. Like, you a lot of pressure on my kid. Like, you were the best of the best. You better were the best of the best. You better were the best of the best. You better get A's, you know what I mean? Like, get A's, you know what I mean? Like, get A's, you know what I mean? Like, wow. Okay. I'm curious. Do you have any wow. Okay. I'm curious. Do you have any wow. Okay. I'm curious. Do you have any uh I've heard people say like, "Oh, uh I've heard people say like, "Oh, uh I've heard people say like, "Oh, don't put your phone in your pocket for don't put your phone in your pocket for don't put your phone in your pocket for sperm health, any of that stuff, like sperm health, any of that stuff, like sperm health, any of that stuff, like heat from your phone or like from a heat from your phone or like from a heat from your phone or like from a laptop." And then additionally, like any laptop." And then additionally, like any laptop." And then additionally, like any EMF stuff that you've ever read research EMF stuff that you've ever read research EMF stuff that you've ever read research on. on. >> Yeah, I have looked at a lot of this >> Yeah, I have looked at a lot of this >> Yeah, I have looked at a lot of this research. I don't I don't find any of research. I don't I don't find any of research. I don't I don't find any of the EMF data compelling, which is going the EMF data compelling, which is going the EMF data compelling, which is going to generate a lot of hate comments in to generate a lot of hate comments in to generate a lot of hate comments in the YouTube, guys. I'm sorry cuz boy the YouTube, guys. I'm sorry cuz boy the YouTube, guys. I'm sorry cuz boy everybody wants to believe EMF is the is everybody wants to believe EMF is the is everybody wants to believe EMF is the is the cause of all evil right now. the cause of all evil right now. the cause of all evil right now. >> What is EMF? >> What is EMF? >> What is EMF? >> The stuff you the the waves out of your >> The stuff you the the waves out of your >> The stuff you the the waves out of your earbuds and your phones and stuff like earbuds and your phones and stuff like earbuds and your phones and stuff like that. that. that. >> Electromagnetic frequency that comes off >> Electromagnetic frequency that comes off >> Electromagnetic frequency that comes off and stuff like that sleeping next to

1:06and stuff like that sleeping next to and stuff like that sleeping next to your phone people say is bad. your phone people say is bad. your phone people say is bad. >> Um heat is a real issue. So it turns out >> Um heat is a real issue. So it turns out >> Um heat is a real issue. So it turns out that hot tub What did what did Paul say that hot tub What did what did Paul say that hot tub What did what did Paul say in this podcast? He said he could render in this podcast? He said he could render in this podcast? He said he could render any guy completely infertile any guy completely infertile any guy completely infertile >> by just going in a hot tub. by doing >> by just going in a hot tub. by doing >> by just going in a hot tub. by doing four hot tub sessions a week. four hot tub sessions a week. four hot tub sessions a week. >> And then he said uh his >> And then he said uh his >> And then he said uh his >> to which I was like this needs to be a >> to which I was like this needs to be a >> to which I was like this needs to be a form of birth control. form of birth control. form of birth control. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Some people say I mean the uh your buddy >> Some people say I mean the uh your buddy >> Some people say I mean the uh your buddy said that he would go I think was it you said that he would go I think was it you said that he would go I think was it you that was one of your buddies were trying that was one of your buddies were trying that was one of your buddies were trying to get pregnant and they would go in the to get pregnant and they would go in the to get pregnant and they would go in the sauna with sauna with sauna with >> he would bring an ice pack on his nuts >> he would bring an ice pack on his nuts >> he would bring an ice pack on his nuts in the sauna. in the sauna. in the sauna. >> He would just keep the ice pack on his >> He would just keep the ice pack on his >> He would just keep the ice pack on his nuts. nuts. nuts. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> But I imagine like the fact that the >> But I imagine like the fact that the >> But I imagine like the fact that the testicles can like elevate and descend testicles can like elevate and descend testicles can like elevate and descend is specifically so that they can is specifically so that they can is specifically so that they can maintain a temperature that's beneficial maintain a temperature that's beneficial maintain a temperature that's beneficial to them, right? Well, yeah, that's to them, right? Well, yeah, that's to them, right? Well, yeah, that's mostly for cold protection, not heat mostly for cold protection, not heat mostly for cold protection, not heat protection. So that's why he was saying protection. So that's why he was saying protection. So that's why he was saying cold plunge is not he doesn't concern cold plunge is not he doesn't concern cold plunge is not he doesn't concern himself with cold plunge and fertility himself with cold plunge and fertility himself with cold plunge and fertility cuz they can ascend and they can get cuz they can ascend and they can get cuz they can ascend and they can get >> warm. They can keep themselves warm. >> warm. They can keep themselves warm. >> warm. They can keep themselves warm. It's that they can't dissipate heat. It's that they can't dissipate heat. It's that they can't dissipate heat. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> So that's why they have nowhere to go in

1:07>> So that's why they have nowhere to go in >> So that's why they have nowhere to go in the hot tub. the hot tub. the hot tub. >> Is there any long-term effect or is it >> Is there any long-term effect or is it >> Is there any long-term effect or is it just temporary? just temporary? just temporary? >> Sounds like from him it's just it's just >> Sounds like from him it's just it's just >> Sounds like from him it's just it's just transient. transient. transient. >> What about desert people like people >> What about desert people like people >> What about desert people like people where the temperature does get to 100° where the temperature does get to 100° where the temperature does get to 100° 105°? 105°? 105°? >> Yeah. Again, air doesn't conduct >> Yeah. Again, air doesn't conduct >> Yeah. Again, air doesn't conduct temperature nearly as well as water. So, temperature nearly as well as water. So, temperature nearly as well as water. So, the thermal coefficient of water is so the thermal coefficient of water is so the thermal coefficient of water is so high. That's why when you're in 105 high. That's why when you're in 105 high. That's why when you're in 105 degree water, it's actually degree water, it's actually degree water, it's actually uncomfortable. When you're in 105° air, uncomfortable. When you're in 105° air, uncomfortable. When you're in 105° air, you can stand it for a long time. you can stand it for a long time. you can stand it for a long time. >> What about the red light therapy on your >> What about the red light therapy on your >> What about the red light therapy on your junk? junk? junk? >> Oh, yeah. I saw people talking about >> Oh, yeah. I saw people talking about >> Oh, yeah. I saw people talking about this a couple years ago. This was all this a couple years ago. This was all this a couple years ago. This was all the rave, right, for increasing the rave, right, for increasing the rave, right, for increasing testosterone. testosterone. testosterone. >> I don't know anything about it. I I I my >> I don't know anything about it. I I I my >> I don't know anything about it. I I I my guess is like all that stuff is guess is like all that stuff is guess is like all that stuff is >> kind of like rearranging the deck chairs >> kind of like rearranging the deck chairs >> kind of like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Like I maybe it helps a on the Titanic. Like I maybe it helps a on the Titanic. Like I maybe it helps a little bit. I I'm not I'm not sure if it little bit. I I'm not I'm not sure if it little bit. I I'm not I'm not sure if it really helps a ton. really helps a ton. really helps a ton. >> All right, guys. You see the blue light? >> All right, guys. You see the blue light? >> All right, guys. You see the blue light? So, I got to talk to the noodle dicks So, I got to talk to the noodle dicks So, I got to talk to the noodle dicks out there like myself maybe. Who knows? out there like myself maybe. Who knows? out there like myself maybe. Who knows? I don't know because I've been taking I don't know because I've been taking I don't know because I've been taking blue chew. I've been chewing it up. And blue chew. I've been chewing it up. And blue chew. I've been chewing it up. And that [ __ ] is performance-enhancing in that [ __ ] is performance-enhancing in that [ __ ] is performance-enhancing in the most important realm of performance. the most important realm of performance. the most important realm of performance. Guys, if you have a lady you need to

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1:09roll your eyes at every time you see roll your eyes at every time you see people promoting it? people promoting it? people promoting it? >> Boy, there's so many. >> Boy, there's so many. >> Boy, there's so many. >> All right, give us 10. >> All right, give us 10. >> All right, give us 10. >> So, I think >> So, I think >> So, I think um a lot of the sort of stem cell stuff um a lot of the sort of stem cell stuff um a lot of the sort of stem cell stuff is pretty freaking dangerous. Um I think is pretty freaking dangerous. Um I think is pretty freaking dangerous. Um I think that that that there are probably instances in which there are probably instances in which there are probably instances in which stem cells could be really helpful. Um, stem cells could be really helpful. Um, stem cells could be really helpful. Um, I think if you tore a muscle, you know, I think if you tore a muscle, you know, I think if you tore a muscle, you know, if you tore your rotator cuff or if you tore your rotator cuff or if you tore your rotator cuff or something, I I I I would I would love to something, I I I I would I would love to something, I I I I would I would love to see a study where we looked at see a study where we looked at see a study where we looked at non-operative management, so just sort non-operative management, so just sort non-operative management, so just sort of of of >> PT >> PT >> PT >> PT rehab versus PT rehab plus stem cell >> PT rehab versus PT rehab plus stem cell >> PT rehab versus PT rehab plus stem cell injection. Would there be a difference? injection. Would there be a difference? injection. Would there be a difference? The answer is maybe, right? But when you The answer is maybe, right? But when you The answer is maybe, right? But when you look at sort of the grotesque misuse of look at sort of the grotesque misuse of look at sort of the grotesque misuse of this stuff in areas where it's just this stuff in areas where it's just this stuff in areas where it's just clearly not going to play a role, for clearly not going to play a role, for clearly not going to play a role, for example, the intravenous administration example, the intravenous administration example, the intravenous administration of this stuff or the intratheal of this stuff or the intratheal of this stuff or the intratheal administration of this stuff. I mean, administration of this stuff. I mean, administration of this stuff. I mean, >> what's intratheal? >> what's intratheal? >> what's intratheal? >> Intratheal like into the spinal cord and >> Intratheal like into the spinal cord and >> Intratheal like into the spinal cord and stuff like that. I mean, there's there's

1:10stuff like that. I mean, there's there's stuff like that. I mean, there's there's there's just no plausible mechanism by there's just no plausible mechanism by there's just no plausible mechanism by which you're going to inject stem cells which you're going to inject stem cells which you're going to inject stem cells into somebody's blood bloodstream that into somebody's blood bloodstream that into somebody's blood bloodstream that they're not going to get, you know, they're not going to get, you know, they're not going to get, you know, completely torn up by the, you know, the completely torn up by the, you know, the completely torn up by the, you know, the the cells in the lung. And at the best the cells in the lung. And at the best the cells in the lung. And at the best case scenario is it does nothing. But case scenario is it does nothing. But case scenario is it does nothing. But the worst case scenario is, you know, the worst case scenario is, you know, the worst case scenario is, you know, you've wasted a ton of money and you've you've wasted a ton of money and you've you've wasted a ton of money and you've potentially um, you know, subjected potentially um, you know, subjected potentially um, you know, subjected yourself to some infection or something yourself to some infection or something yourself to some infection or something like that. And we don't hear enough of like that. And we don't hear enough of like that. And we don't hear enough of those stories. I do hear some of those those stories. I do hear some of those those stories. I do hear some of those stories of the people who get horrible stories of the people who get horrible stories of the people who get horrible infections when they go down to, you infections when they go down to, you infections when they go down to, you know, Costa Rica or Colombia to get know, Costa Rica or Colombia to get know, Costa Rica or Colombia to get their stem cell treatments, which says their stem cell treatments, which says their stem cell treatments, which says nothing of how much money is being spent nothing of how much money is being spent nothing of how much money is being spent on this uh sort of thing. So, so my on this uh sort of thing. So, so my on this uh sort of thing. So, so my guess is there's some there's some guess is there's some there's some guess is there's some there's some signal there, but it's like most of what signal there, but it's like most of what signal there, but it's like most of what you're seeing is is not um you're seeing is is not um you're seeing is is not um >> this is a huge industry. >> this is a huge industry. >> this is a huge industry. >> Yeah, it's it's actually kind of >> Yeah, it's it's actually kind of >> Yeah, it's it's actually kind of remarkable that it exists. But I mean, I remarkable that it exists. But I mean, I remarkable that it exists. But I mean, I shouldn't say that. Anytime there's a shouldn't say that. Anytime there's a shouldn't say that. Anytime there's a anytime you can do something to convince anytime you can do something to convince anytime you can do something to convince people without data that something people without data that something people without data that something works, it's it's a win-win, right? works, it's it's a win-win, right? works, it's it's a win-win, right? >> I'm so I'm just so shocked that it's

1:11>> I'm so I'm just so shocked that it's >> I'm so I'm just so shocked that it's become so normalized. become so normalized. become so normalized. I I haven't heard really any push back I I haven't heard really any push back I I haven't heard really any push back about it outside of you now. I haven't about it outside of you now. I haven't about it outside of you now. I haven't done much research and again I'm like done much research and again I'm like done much research and again I'm like completely ignorant to all this stuff, completely ignorant to all this stuff, completely ignorant to all this stuff, but but wow. So the stem cells you don't but but wow. So the stem cells you don't but but wow. So the stem cells you don't see you see marginal benefit potentially see you see marginal benefit potentially see you see marginal benefit potentially and no real data to back it. and no real data to back it. and no real data to back it. >> Definitely no data. So, so people that >> Definitely no data. So, so people that >> Definitely no data. So, so people that talk about data are talking about talk about data are talking about talk about data are talking about anecdotal data like you know my cousin anecdotal data like you know my cousin anecdotal data like you know my cousin Joey I mean he stems cells and he's 100% Joey I mean he stems cells and he's 100% Joey I mean he stems cells and he's 100% better. It's like okay well I mean again better. It's like okay well I mean again better. It's like okay well I mean again maybe Joey would have got better anyway maybe Joey would have got better anyway maybe Joey would have got better anyway because you know so so you can't you because you know so so you can't you because you know so so you can't you cannot study these things without cannot study these things without cannot study these things without blinding blinding blinding >> and without randomization. You simply >> and without randomization. You simply >> and without randomization. You simply can't. can't. can't. >> And who's signing up for the blind stem >> And who's signing up for the blind stem >> And who's signing up for the blind stem cell study? Right. cell study? Right. cell study? Right. >> If you got enough money to get your >> If you got enough money to get your >> If you got enough money to get your shoulder fixed and you're willing to go shoulder fixed and you're willing to go shoulder fixed and you're willing to go to [ __ ] Colombia to do it, then you to [ __ ] Colombia to do it, then you to [ __ ] Colombia to do it, then you want the real stuff. want the real stuff. want the real stuff. >> Yeah. M are there are there other uh >> Yeah. M are there are there other uh >> Yeah. M are there are there other uh >> yeah I think a lot of the peptide stuff >> yeah I think a lot of the peptide stuff >> yeah I think a lot of the peptide stuff is total nonsense is total nonsense is total nonsense >> BP BPC 157 >> BP BPC 157 >> BP BPC 157 >> yeah so let's take that one it's the >> yeah so let's take that one it's the >> yeah so let's take that one it's the most popular most popular most popular >> what is can we def like what is it let's >> what is can we def like what is it let's >> what is can we def like what is it let's >> yeah so BPC57 is an analog of something

1:12>> yeah so BPC57 is an analog of something >> yeah so BPC57 is an analog of something called vascular endothelial growth called vascular endothelial growth called vascular endothelial growth factor veg f so what is veg so veg f is factor veg f so what is veg so veg f is factor veg f so what is veg so veg f is uh is a is a molecule in the body that uh is a is a molecule in the body that uh is a is a molecule in the body that promotes something called angiogenesis promotes something called angiogenesis promotes something called angiogenesis which is the creation of new blood which is the creation of new blood which is the creation of new blood vessels. So um vessels. So um vessels. So um angioenesis is really important in angioenesis is really important in angioenesis is really important in certain processes. In fact it's certain processes. In fact it's certain processes. In fact it's important for cancer right? So cancer important for cancer right? So cancer important for cancer right? So cancer has to utilize vef to to spread and has to utilize vef to to spread and has to utilize vef to to spread and grow. grow. grow. >> Um so many years ago a drug called >> Um so many years ago a drug called >> Um so many years ago a drug called avasten was introduced that was an avasten was introduced that was an avasten was introduced that was an anti-vegf drug anti-vegf drug anti-vegf drug >> to limit the growth of >> to limit the growth of >> to limit the growth of >> right target this thing. Right. Okay. So >> right target this thing. Right. Okay. So >> right target this thing. Right. Okay. So um but there are clearly times when you um but there are clearly times when you um but there are clearly times when you would want lots of angioenesis when you would want lots of angioenesis when you would want lots of angioenesis when you want proliferation of blood vessels. And want proliferation of blood vessels. And want proliferation of blood vessels. And so the thinking is that if we give so the thinking is that if we give so the thinking is that if we give people BPC57 people BPC57 people BPC57 and they have an injury maybe it and they have an injury maybe it and they have an injury maybe it improves healing and um I think it it's

1:13improves healing and um I think it it's improves healing and um I think it it's possible but there are a couple of possible but there are a couple of possible but there are a couple of challenges with this right. So you can challenges with this right. So you can challenges with this right. So you can take BPC-157 take BPC-157 take BPC-157 orally, but the bioavailability is only orally, but the bioavailability is only orally, but the bioavailability is only 10 to 20%. Because the acid in the 10 to 20%. Because the acid in the 10 to 20%. Because the acid in the stomach tends to rip peptides apart. So stomach tends to rip peptides apart. So stomach tends to rip peptides apart. So it's not clear that you can take enough it's not clear that you can take enough it's not clear that you can take enough of this stuff by mouth to actually of this stuff by mouth to actually of this stuff by mouth to actually meaningfully get it into your body. meaningfully get it into your body. meaningfully get it into your body. Furthermore, how much would you need to Furthermore, how much would you need to Furthermore, how much would you need to take? Like let's say your patella tendon take? Like let's say your patella tendon take? Like let's say your patella tendon is the thing that's flared up and you is the thing that's flared up and you is the thing that's flared up and you really just want to get, you know, more really just want to get, you know, more really just want to get, you know, more blood flow there. Should you just be blood flow there. Should you just be blood flow there. Should you just be injecting BPC57 there? um the halflife injecting BPC57 there? um the halflife injecting BPC57 there? um the halflife of it is like one to two hours. So then of it is like one to two hours. So then of it is like one to two hours. So then the question becomes like how often do the question becomes like how often do the question becomes like how often do you have to use this stuff? I mean do you have to use this stuff? I mean do you have to use this stuff? I mean do you need to be injecting it three times you need to be injecting it three times you need to be injecting it three times a day? Um and again without any data we a day? Um and again without any data we a day? Um and again without any data we just don't know. So I think there's just don't know. So I think there's just don't know. So I think there's biological plausibility to it. But biological plausibility to it. But biological plausibility to it. But >> if that weren't enough you know the FDA >> if that weren't enough you know the FDA >> if that weren't enough you know the FDA has cracked down on these things and has cracked down on these things and has cracked down on these things and said like come on guys we need to see said like come on guys we need to see said like come on guys we need to see some data if we're going to let you use some data if we're going to let you use

1:14some data if we're going to let you use these things. So nowarmacies can't make these things. So nowarmacies can't make these things. So nowarmacies can't make this stuff anymore. So now when people this stuff anymore. So now when people this stuff anymore. So now when people buy peptides, they have to do it in in a buy peptides, they have to do it in in a buy peptides, they have to do it in in a very shady way, which is they have to very shady way, which is they have to very shady way, which is they have to buy it from a manufacturer who claims buy it from a manufacturer who claims buy it from a manufacturer who claims that they're only selling it for that they're only selling it for that they're only selling it for research purposes research purposes research purposes >> and that you're only buying it for >> and that you're only buying it for >> and that you're only buying it for research purposes. research purposes. research purposes. >> Um, and then until they get shut down >> Um, and then until they get shut down >> Um, and then until they get shut down and then it's like a kind of a game of and then it's like a kind of a game of and then it's like a kind of a game of whack-a-ole. But there's no quality whack-a-ole. But there's no quality whack-a-ole. But there's no quality control. And truthfully, like I would control. And truthfully, like I would control. And truthfully, like I would really like to see this studied so that really like to see this studied so that really like to see this studied so that we could know. Like I'd like to see we could know. Like I'd like to see we could know. Like I'd like to see what's called an IND, which is, you what's called an IND, which is, you what's called an IND, which is, you know, means like the FDA stamps this know, means like the FDA stamps this know, means like the FDA stamps this with an investigational new drug uh with an investigational new drug uh with an investigational new drug uh status and let it get studied and um and status and let it get studied and um and status and let it get studied and um and let's decide once and for all like does let's decide once and for all like does let's decide once and for all like does this work? Because this work? Because this work? Because >> I'm sure there's going to be a time in >> I'm sure there's going to be a time in >> I'm sure there's going to be a time in my life when I'm going to want every my life when I'm going to want every my life when I'm going to want every trick up the up the sleeve that could be trick up the up the sleeve that could be trick up the up the sleeve that could be used to to address these things. Um used to to address these things. Um used to to address these things. Um there are some peptides that actually I there are some peptides that actually I there are some peptides that actually I will say completely do work. Um they're will say completely do work. Um they're will say completely do work. Um they're biologically identical to certain biologically identical to certain biologically identical to certain hormones in the body. So um simoralin

1:15hormones in the body. So um simoralin hormones in the body. So um simoralin for example um is is basically a growth for example um is is basically a growth for example um is is basically a growth hormone analog. Works perfectly well. Um hormone analog. Works perfectly well. Um hormone analog. Works perfectly well. Um but then you have to ask the question but then you have to ask the question but then you have to ask the question you know what are the pros and cons of you know what are the pros and cons of you know what are the pros and cons of taking growth hormone. Yeah. taking growth hormone. Yeah. taking growth hormone. Yeah. >> Um >> Um >> yeah. What is your I I know many people >> yeah. What is your I I know many people >> yeah. What is your I I know many people that when they hit like you know 35 40 that when they hit like you know 35 40 that when they hit like you know 35 40 their testosterone goes down and doing their testosterone goes down and doing their testosterone goes down and doing you know TRT and growth hormone stuff to you know TRT and growth hormone stuff to you know TRT and growth hormone stuff to get it back to that baseline level. get it back to that baseline level. get it back to that baseline level. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What are your thoughts on that? >> What are your thoughts on that? >> What are your thoughts on that? >> Um I mean totally different things. I >> Um I mean totally different things. I >> Um I mean totally different things. I would say when it comes to TRT I think would say when it comes to TRT I think would say when it comes to TRT I think the data are really good at the benefits the data are really good at the benefits the data are really good at the benefits of TRT in a in a low T state. Um, of TRT in a in a low T state. Um, of TRT in a in a low T state. Um, obviously you have to be aware of obviously you have to be aware of obviously you have to be aware of certain situations like you know if you certain situations like you know if you certain situations like you know if you want to have kids TRT you have to be I want to have kids TRT you have to be I want to have kids TRT you have to be I wouldn't recommend TRT to somebody who wouldn't recommend TRT to somebody who wouldn't recommend TRT to somebody who still wants to maintain fertility. I still wants to maintain fertility. I still wants to maintain fertility. I would recommend hCG which is a another would recommend hCG which is a another would recommend hCG which is a another >> way to increase testosterone production >> way to increase testosterone production >> way to increase testosterone production without giving testosterone and shutting without giving testosterone and shutting without giving testosterone and shutting down endogenous production the body's down endogenous production the body's down endogenous production the body's production. growth hormones a is a is a production. growth hormones a is a is a production. growth hormones a is a is a more complicated one and I I I I still more complicated one and I I I I still more complicated one and I I I I still of two I'm two I'm of two minds on this

1:16of two I'm two I'm of two minds on this of two I'm two I'm of two minds on this which is um on the one hand there's which is um on the one hand there's which is um on the one hand there's really no data one way or the other really no data one way or the other really no data one way or the other saying it's good or bad saying it's good or bad saying it's good or bad >> right actually that's not true there are >> right actually that's not true there are >> right actually that's not true there are data saying it's good in certain cases data saying it's good in certain cases data saying it's good in certain cases like HIV wasting right so people like like HIV wasting right so people like like HIV wasting right so people like back in the 80s when we didn't have back in the 80s when we didn't have back in the 80s when we didn't have highly active highly active highly active highly active highly active highly active anti-retroviral therapy for um patients anti-retroviral therapy for um patients anti-retroviral therapy for um patients with AIDS you had nothing to offer these with AIDS you had nothing to offer these with AIDS you had nothing to offer these people but like high doses of steroids people but like high doses of steroids people but like high doses of steroids and growth hormone and by way and growth hormone and by way and growth hormone and by way dramatically improved their quality of dramatically improved their quality of dramatically improved their quality of life. life. life. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> so we know that at least in the case of >> so we know that at least in the case of >> so we know that at least in the case of AIDS wasting, growth hormone was AIDS wasting, growth hormone was AIDS wasting, growth hormone was amazing. Um, amazing. Um, amazing. Um, >> I've never met a person who took growth >> I've never met a person who took growth >> I've never met a person who took growth hormone who didn't say they felt better. hormone who didn't say they felt better. hormone who didn't say they felt better. Um, so the question is at what cost? Um, Um, so the question is at what cost? Um, Um, so the question is at what cost? Um, I've never taken it, but I tell you I I've never taken it, but I tell you I I've never taken it, but I tell you I I'm sure at some point I'm probably I'm sure at some point I'm probably I'm sure at some point I'm probably going to be like, you know what, going to be like, you know what, going to be like, you know what, >> let's try it. >> let's try it. >> let's try it. >> I don't care about the risks anymore. >> I don't care about the risks anymore. >> I don't care about the risks anymore. I'm old enough. I feel crappy enough. I'm old enough. I feel crappy enough. I'm old enough. I feel crappy enough. it's time to start taking it. But, you it's time to start taking it. But, you it's time to start taking it. But, you know, I'm only 52. Uh, I'm gonna I'm know, I'm only 52. Uh, I'm gonna I'm know, I'm only 52. Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna hold out a little bit longer

1:17gonna hold out a little bit longer gonna hold out a little bit longer before experimenting. before experimenting. before experimenting. >> Right. What about like NAD or all these >> Right. What about like NAD or all these >> Right. What about like NAD or all these like um cosmetic IV drips? like um cosmetic IV drips? like um cosmetic IV drips? >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um NAD is another one where it there's a NAD is another one where it there's a NAD is another one where it there's a there's a great argument for why you there's a great argument for why you there's a great argument for why you would take it because NAD levels decline would take it because NAD levels decline would take it because NAD levels decline as we age and NAD is very important. So as we age and NAD is very important. So as we age and NAD is very important. So that if you took those, if I told you that if you took those, if I told you that if you took those, if I told you there's this really important thing in there's this really important thing in there's this really important thing in your body and it gets lower with age, your body and it gets lower with age, your body and it gets lower with age, the obvious answer is I should be taking the obvious answer is I should be taking the obvious answer is I should be taking more of it. Okay, totally get that. So more of it. Okay, totally get that. So more of it. Okay, totally get that. So then the question becomes how do you then the question becomes how do you then the question becomes how do you take it? So there's basically two ways take it? So there's basically two ways take it? So there's basically two ways you can take NAD. You can take it in an you can take NAD. You can take it in an you can take NAD. You can take it in an intravenous infusion. I think that's a intravenous infusion. I think that's a intravenous infusion. I think that's a total waste of time because one, they're total waste of time because one, they're total waste of time because one, they're giving you probably way more than you giving you probably way more than you giving you probably way more than you need. And how many times how often can need. And how many times how often can need. And how many times how often can you do that? Like even if you were the you do that? Like even if you were the you do that? Like even if you were the most committed junkie, like would you do most committed junkie, like would you do most committed junkie, like would you do that once a week? that once a week? that once a week? >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. That's not going to create a like >> Right. That's not going to create a like >> Right. That's not going to create a like the halfife of NAD is quite short. the halfife of NAD is quite short. the halfife of NAD is quite short. That's not going to meaningfully That's not going to meaningfully That's not going to meaningfully contribute to your total body levels of contribute to your total body levels of contribute to your total body levels of NAD.

1:18NAD. NAD. >> So people then try these and the other >> So people then try these and the other >> So people then try these and the other way you can take NAD is through way you can take NAD is through way you can take NAD is through formulations that you take under the formulations that you take under the formulations that you take under the tongue so that they get absorbed in your tongue so that they get absorbed in your tongue so that they get absorbed in your lymphatic system. That might be more lymphatic system. That might be more lymphatic system. That might be more promising. Kind I'm I'm kind of promising. Kind I'm I'm kind of promising. Kind I'm I'm kind of interested to see how that pans out. And interested to see how that pans out. And interested to see how that pans out. And then there are people that take these then there are people that take these then there are people that take these NAD precursors. One of them is called NR NAD precursors. One of them is called NR NAD precursors. One of them is called NR and one of them is called NMN, which and one of them is called NMN, which and one of them is called NMN, which you've probably heard of. And you know, you've probably heard of. And you know, you've probably heard of. And you know, frankly, there's no evidence that those frankly, there's no evidence that those frankly, there's no evidence that those get turned into NAD in meaningful enough get turned into NAD in meaningful enough get turned into NAD in meaningful enough quantities. They do a little bit, but quantities. They do a little bit, but quantities. They do a little bit, but they don't seem to get turned into it they don't seem to get turned into it they don't seem to get turned into it enough to really matter. And also, all enough to really matter. And also, all enough to really matter. And also, all of the clinical trials, and I say of the clinical trials, and I say of the clinical trials, and I say clinical trials kind of in quotes clinical trials kind of in quotes clinical trials kind of in quotes because they're usually industry funded because they're usually industry funded because they're usually industry funded trials, but all of these experiments, trials, but all of these experiments, trials, but all of these experiments, they don't tend to show very interesting they don't tend to show very interesting they don't tend to show very interesting outcomes except in very esoteric cases. outcomes except in very esoteric cases. outcomes except in very esoteric cases. So there was the probably the best study So there was the probably the best study So there was the probably the best study that people point to the two best that people point to the two best that people point to the two best studies that people point to. One is in studies that people point to. One is in studies that people point to. One is in people with Larri's disease I think they people with Larri's disease I think they people with Larri's disease I think they were given NR and um the people that were given NR and um the people that were given NR and um the people that were given NR had a slightly longer time were given NR had a slightly longer time were given NR had a slightly longer time till they needed to go on a ventilator

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1:23surprised." I think if like red dye if surprised." I think if like red dye if the removal of red dyes fixed our health the removal of red dyes fixed our health the removal of red dyes fixed our health system that's that's how surprised I'd system that's that's how surprised I'd system that's that's how surprised I'd be I don't think be I don't think be I don't think >> death by a thousand cuts but it might be >> death by a thousand cuts but it might be >> death by a thousand cuts but it might be one of the cuts one of the cuts one of the cuts >> maybe >> maybe >> maybe >> okay there's a just doing research on >> okay there's a just doing research on >> okay there's a just doing research on you I I love the fact that you uh you're you I I love the fact that you uh you're you I I love the fact that you uh you're speaking a lot about like the emotional speaking a lot about like the emotional speaking a lot about like the emotional component of longevity and how important component of longevity and how important component of longevity and how important that is and just because I think there that is and just because I think there that is and just because I think there are ways to to kind of biohack back at are ways to to kind of biohack back at are ways to to kind of biohack back at the cost of enjoying your life, the cost of enjoying your life, the cost of enjoying your life, >> spending time with friends, and like >> spending time with friends, and like >> spending time with friends, and like figuring out what the right meters that figuring out what the right meters that figuring out what the right meters that you should pull on are. Um, like you should pull on are. Um, like you should pull on are. Um, like specifically having community, I think, specifically having community, I think, specifically having community, I think, is like crucial. And the isolationism is like crucial. And the isolationism is like crucial. And the isolationism that a lot of people are dealing with in that a lot of people are dealing with in that a lot of people are dealing with in America and probably around the world is America and probably around the world is America and probably around the world is is you could say like there's a version is you could say like there's a version is you could say like there's a version of it where it's I don't want to say of it where it's I don't want to say of it where it's I don't want to say slow death, but it will knock off years slow death, but it will knock off years slow death, but it will knock off years from your life, right? from your life, right? from your life, right? How do you like maybe this is something How do you like maybe this is something How do you like maybe this is something that you're working on early in life,

1:24that you're working on early in life, that you're working on early in life, but how do you how do you communicate to but how do you how do you communicate to but how do you how do you communicate to a 30-year-old, hey, you want to live to a 30-year-old, hey, you want to live to a 30-year-old, hey, you want to live to 80, you better have some [ __ ] friends 80, you better have some [ __ ] friends 80, you better have some [ __ ] friends that you hang out with, cuz that's not that you hang out with, cuz that's not that you hang out with, cuz that's not something you could solve for at 75. something you could solve for at 75. something you could solve for at 75. >> Yeah, that's such a great point. Um, how do you convince the 30-year-old? So, how do you convince the 30-year-old? So, look, this is going to sound like a dumb look, this is going to sound like a dumb look, this is going to sound like a dumb thing to say, but I feel a little thing to say, but I feel a little thing to say, but I feel a little detached, right? So I don't So a detached, right? So I don't So a detached, right? So I don't So a 30-year-old is a full generation below 30-year-old is a full generation below 30-year-old is a full generation below me, right? So I don't know what a me, right? So I don't know what a me, right? So I don't know what a 30-year-old I don't necessarily have an 30-year-old I don't necessarily have an 30-year-old I don't necessarily have an appreciation for what a 30-year-old is appreciation for what a 30-year-old is appreciation for what a 30-year-old is struggling with today relative to what I struggling with today relative to what I struggling with today relative to what I was struggling with at 30. Um was struggling with at 30. Um was struggling with at 30. Um so but I think you're right. I think so but I think you're right. I think so but I think you're right. I think there's there's there's the world is so different today that I'm the world is so different today that I'm the world is so different today that I'm sure that there's a greater sense of of sure that there's a greater sense of of sure that there's a greater sense of of of isolation. Um, I just don't think you of isolation. Um, I just don't think you of isolation. Um, I just don't think you can overstate the whole the whole point can overstate the whole the whole point can overstate the whole the whole point here, which is everything you want at here, which is everything you want at here, which is everything you want at the end of your life, you have to be the end of your life, you have to be the end of your life, you have to be able to work backwards from and start able to work backwards from and start able to work backwards from and start now. So, if you want to be fit when

1:25now. So, if you want to be fit when now. So, if you want to be fit when you're 80, you're 80, you're 80, do you know how fit you need to be when do you know how fit you need to be when do you know how fit you need to be when you're 30? Like, you don't get to be an you're 30? Like, you don't get to be an you're 30? Like, you don't get to be an out of shape pug till you're 75 and go, out of shape pug till you're 75 and go, out of shape pug till you're 75 and go, >> "It's hammer time." >> "It's hammer time." >> "It's hammer time." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you have to get in shape now. All >> So, you have to get in shape now. All >> So, you have to get in shape now. All the exercise I do now is not for now. the exercise I do now is not for now. the exercise I do now is not for now. >> It's for 80. >> It's for 80. >> It's for 80. >> It's for 80. >> It's for 80. >> Yeah. I mean, this is something. >> Yeah. I mean, this is something. >> Yeah. I mean, this is something. >> So, the same is true on the relationship >> So, the same is true on the relationship >> So, the same is true on the relationship front, right? So, so I think like front, right? So, so I think like front, right? So, so I think like >> you want a robust friend group at 80. >> you want a robust friend group at 80. >> you want a robust friend group at 80. >> Yeah. And and and and I want I want my >> Yeah. And and and and I want I want my >> Yeah. And and and and I want I want my kids I don't remember who said this. Um kids I don't remember who said this. Um kids I don't remember who said this. Um Yeah. I wish I could remember who said Yeah. I wish I could remember who said Yeah. I wish I could remember who said it so I could attribute it to them, but it so I could attribute it to them, but it so I could attribute it to them, but somebody said, "The greatest source of somebody said, "The greatest source of somebody said, "The greatest source of wealth is having adult kids who want to wealth is having adult kids who want to wealth is having adult kids who want to come and spend time with you." come and spend time with you." come and spend time with you." >> Right? So if you let's let's unpack that >> Right? So if you let's let's unpack that >> Right? So if you let's let's unpack that for a moment. So that says okay do you for a moment. So that says okay do you for a moment. So that says okay do you accept that? Well I think anybody who accept that? Well I think anybody who accept that? Well I think anybody who has kids would accept that. So okay I has kids would accept that. So okay I has kids would accept that. So okay I want my kids are 17 11 and 8 and I want want my kids are 17 11 and 8 and I want want my kids are 17 11 and 8 and I want them to constantly come back and be with

1:26them to constantly come back and be with them to constantly come back and be with me till the day I die. Yeah. me till the day I die. Yeah. me till the day I die. Yeah. >> Okay. What do I have to do to make that >> Okay. What do I have to do to make that >> Okay. What do I have to do to make that true? true? true? >> Hold the trust fund over their head. >> Hold the trust fund over their head. >> Hold the trust fund over their head. >> I mean how much do I need to spend time >> I mean how much do I need to spend time >> I mean how much do I need to spend time with them now or can I ignore them now? with them now or can I ignore them now? with them now or can I ignore them now? >> You got to spend time. >> You got to spend time. >> You got to spend time. >> Exactly. So, so it's like, so, so all >> Exactly. So, so it's like, so, so all >> Exactly. So, so it's like, so, so all the So, so for example, like people say, the So, so for example, like people say, the So, so for example, like people say, "Oh, Peter, you exercise so much." I'm "Oh, Peter, you exercise so much." I'm "Oh, Peter, you exercise so much." I'm like, "I don't exercise that much." like, "I don't exercise that much." like, "I don't exercise that much." Like, you should see what I used to do. Like, you should see what I used to do. Like, you should see what I used to do. Like, I phone it in when I work out, Like, I phone it in when I work out, Like, I phone it in when I work out, >> right? I mean, mo like >> right? I mean, mo like >> right? I mean, mo like >> if I'm given the choice between an extra >> if I'm given the choice between an extra >> if I'm given the choice between an extra workout or a game of chess with my kid workout or a game of chess with my kid workout or a game of chess with my kid or playing soccer with my kid, I'm or playing soccer with my kid, I'm or playing soccer with my kid, I'm always going to pick doing the thing always going to pick doing the thing always going to pick doing the thing with my kid because I know that those with my kid because I know that those with my kid because I know that those years are very finite. Um, and that's years are very finite. Um, and that's years are very finite. Um, and that's the investment, right? that's like I the investment, right? that's like I the investment, right? that's like I have to invest in these relationships have to invest in these relationships have to invest in these relationships today because I know what I want today because I know what I want today because I know what I want tomorrow. And the same is true with with tomorrow. And the same is true with with tomorrow. And the same is true with with my wife, with my friends and stuff. So I my wife, with my friends and stuff. So I my wife, with my friends and stuff. So I think that's the way to position it is think that's the way to position it is think that's the way to position it is >> all the choices you make today are >> all the choices you make today are >> all the choices you make today are compounding choices compounding choices compounding choices >> and work backwards from what you want. >> and work backwards from what you want. >> and work backwards from what you want. >> So okay, to that end, reactive medicine >> So okay, to that end, reactive medicine

1:27>> So okay, to that end, reactive medicine is going to get really good. And I is going to get really good. And I is going to get really good. And I imagine with AI, I don't know exactly imagine with AI, I don't know exactly imagine with AI, I don't know exactly how it's going to affect it. I'm curious how it's going to affect it. I'm curious how it's going to affect it. I'm curious your take on that, but reactive medicine your take on that, but reactive medicine your take on that, but reactive medicine is going to get better. the better is going to get better. the better is going to get better. the better reactive medicine gets, I imagine, the reactive medicine gets, I imagine, the reactive medicine gets, I imagine, the less proactive we will be with our less proactive we will be with our less proactive we will be with our longevity. So if I know, for example, if longevity. So if I know, for example, if longevity. So if I know, for example, if I get cut, I could just throw some I get cut, I could just throw some I get cut, I could just throw some neosporin, I could take an antibiotic, neosporin, I could take an antibiotic, neosporin, I could take an antibiotic, I'm not really worried about getting I'm not really worried about getting I'm not really worried about getting cut. But back in the day, if you got cut cut. But back in the day, if you got cut cut. But back in the day, if you got cut and you [ __ ] died, you worried about and you [ __ ] died, you worried about and you [ __ ] died, you worried about getting cut. Are you at all knowing how getting cut. Are you at all knowing how getting cut. Are you at all knowing how important it is to plan for your last important it is to plan for your last important it is to plan for your last decade decade decade and knowing how prolific the drugs are and knowing how prolific the drugs are and knowing how prolific the drugs are going to get that help you think at going to get that help you think at going to get that help you think at least that you don't have to plan? Are least that you don't have to plan? Are least that you don't have to plan? Are you worried that that's going to you worried that that's going to you worried that that's going to deteriorate that planning that is so deteriorate that planning that is so deteriorate that planning that is so vital at least in people's minds? vital at least in people's minds? vital at least in people's minds? >> I mean perhaps for some I I think you >> I mean perhaps for some I I think you >> I mean perhaps for some I I think you know there are some areas where I think know there are some areas where I think know there are some areas where I think um I'm hopeful that drugs are going to um I'm hopeful that drugs are going to um I'm hopeful that drugs are going to get a lot better. Um, but it's get a lot better. Um, but it's get a lot better. Um, but it's it's it's going to be a while before I

1:28it's it's going to be a while before I it's it's going to be a while before I think we could safely say that think we could safely say that think we could safely say that prevention is still not the best prevention is still not the best prevention is still not the best management strategy for cancer uh for management strategy for cancer uh for management strategy for cancer uh for heart disease and for dementia and and I heart disease and for dementia and and I heart disease and for dementia and and I think that especially for cancer and think that especially for cancer and think that especially for cancer and dementia, we really don't have amazing dementia, we really don't have amazing dementia, we really don't have amazing treatment options. Um advanced cancer treatment options. Um advanced cancer treatment options. Um advanced cancer is uh advanced meaning cancer that has is uh advanced meaning cancer that has is uh advanced meaning cancer that has spread from its primary site metastic spread from its primary site metastic spread from its primary site metastic cancer you know it's almost uniformly cancer you know it's almost uniformly cancer you know it's almost uniformly fatal still fatal still fatal still >> uh we have about an increase overall >> uh we have about an increase overall >> uh we have about an increase overall survival has increased about 10% in 50 survival has increased about 10% in 50 survival has increased about 10% in 50 years years years >> so um I still think the approach of >> so um I still think the approach of >> so um I still think the approach of early detection and taking all the early detection and taking all the early detection and taking all the preventive measures is going to matter preventive measures is going to matter preventive measures is going to matter for a long time furthermore lifespan is for a long time furthermore lifespan is for a long time furthermore lifespan is not the only metric right health span not the only metric right health span not the only metric right health span also matters Can you explain the also matters Can you explain the also matters Can you explain the difference between those two? I think difference between those two? I think difference between those two? I think people get confused with that. people get confused with that. people get confused with that. >> Yeah, lifespan is the easy one. It's the >> Yeah, lifespan is the easy one. It's the >> Yeah, lifespan is the easy one. It's the how long you live. Um, and so that's the how long you live. Um, and so that's the how long you live. Um, and so that's the one that the the medical system is one that the the medical system is one that the the medical system is fixated on is how many years are you fixated on is how many years are you fixated on is how many years are you going to be alive and and we're pretty

1:29going to be alive and and we're pretty going to be alive and and we're pretty good at stretching out time that we are good at stretching out time that we are good at stretching out time that we are alive with chronic disease. But health alive with chronic disease. But health alive with chronic disease. But health span is what more people care about. span is what more people care about. span is what more people care about. More people care about the quality of More people care about the quality of More people care about the quality of their life. And actually most people their life. And actually most people their life. And actually most people almost without exception would take a almost without exception would take a almost without exception would take a slightly shorter life at a higher slightly shorter life at a higher slightly shorter life at a higher quality all day. quality all day. quality all day. >> Exactly. Give me productivity through my >> Exactly. Give me productivity through my >> Exactly. Give me productivity through my Everybody wants to live to 100 etc. Of Everybody wants to live to 100 etc. Of Everybody wants to live to 100 etc. Of course in our heads we're all like I'm course in our heads we're all like I'm course in our heads we're all like I'm going to get to 100. Give me productive going to get to 100. Give me productive going to get to 100. Give me productive 80 years. Like I'm playing paddle every 80 years. Like I'm playing paddle every 80 years. Like I'm playing paddle every day until I'm 80 instead of being day until I'm 80 instead of being day until I'm 80 instead of being wheelchair bound from 70 to 100. wheelchair bound from 70 to 100. wheelchair bound from 70 to 100. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> I think most people take that. >> I think most people take that. >> I think most people take that. >> Yep. Yeah, >> Yep. Yeah, >> Yep. Yeah, >> I think that's >> I think that's >> I think that's >> and in order to do that, you're talking >> and in order to do that, you're talking >> and in order to do that, you're talking you have to take preventive measures. you have to take preventive measures. you have to take preventive measures. >> Yeah. And and you have to do hard >> Yeah. And and you have to do hard >> Yeah. And and you have to do hard things. You have to exercise. Like you things. You have to exercise. Like you things. You have to exercise. Like you got to you got to watch what you eat. got to you got to watch what you eat. got to you got to watch what you eat. You got to tend to your sleep. You got You got to tend to your sleep. You got You got to tend to your sleep. You got to do these things for which we don't to do these things for which we don't to do these things for which we don't have great pills that are substitutes. have great pills that are substitutes. have great pills that are substitutes. >> Can you can you explain the dementia uh >> Can you can you explain the dementia uh >> Can you can you explain the dementia uh the correlation between I don't know the correlation between I don't know the correlation between I don't know what it is is like diet or health or what it is is like diet or health or

1:30what it is is like diet or health or what you can do. My dad has dementia. what you can do. My dad has dementia. what you can do. My dad has dementia. It's like what preventive measures can It's like what preventive measures can It's like what preventive measures can you take for that? Well, again, dementia you take for that? Well, again, dementia you take for that? Well, again, dementia is really complicated because there are is really complicated because there are is really complicated because there are so many different types of it. There's so many different types of it. There's so many different types of it. There's Alzheimer's disease specifically, but Alzheimer's disease specifically, but Alzheimer's disease specifically, but then there's vascular dementia, then there's vascular dementia, then there's vascular dementia, Louisibody dementia. Louisibody dementia. Louisibody dementia. >> My dad has nonamaloid plaque >> My dad has nonamaloid plaque >> My dad has nonamaloid plaque Alzheimer's. So, usually Alzheimer's is Alzheimer's. So, usually Alzheimer's is Alzheimer's. So, usually Alzheimer's is defined by the amaloid plaque buildup. defined by the amaloid plaque buildup. defined by the amaloid plaque buildup. Yeah. Yeah. >> They haven't found enough in it, but >> They haven't found enough in it, but >> They haven't found enough in it, but they're still like, you're showing all they're still like, you're showing all they're still like, you're showing all the symptoms of this. So, they don't the symptoms of this. So, they don't the symptoms of this. So, they don't even know what the [ __ ] to do about it. even know what the [ __ ] to do about it. even know what the [ __ ] to do about it. >> So, I'm curious like what >> So, I'm curious like what >> So, I'm curious like what >> So, genetics play a pretty big role in >> So, genetics play a pretty big role in >> So, genetics play a pretty big role in this. I'm sure they've done the this. I'm sure they've done the this. I'm sure they've done the appropriate genetic testing to see how appropriate genetic testing to see how appropriate genetic testing to see how much of this was was kind of genetically much of this was was kind of genetically much of this was was kind of genetically uh driven. Um, and then there are a uh driven. Um, and then there are a uh driven. Um, and then there are a whole bunch of factors that can increase whole bunch of factors that can increase whole bunch of factors that can increase risk. risk. risk. Don't don't answer for whether any of Don't don't answer for whether any of Don't don't answer for whether any of these participated in your dad's, but these participated in your dad's, but these participated in your dad's, but like everything from high blood like everything from high blood like everything from high blood pressure, high cholesterol, insulin pressure, high cholesterol, insulin pressure, high cholesterol, insulin resistance, poor sleep, high stress, resistance, poor sleep, high stress, resistance, poor sleep, high stress, those are just the ones we know about those are just the ones we know about those are just the ones we know about inflammation, certain types of inflammation, certain types of

1:31inflammation, certain types of infections, right? We're there's now a infections, right? We're there's now a infections, right? We're there's now a lot of infeed lot of infeed lot of infeed in the last 6 months that suggests that in the last 6 months that suggests that in the last 6 months that suggests that um reactivation of shingles especially um reactivation of shingles especially um reactivation of shingles especially an ocular version of shingles where the an ocular version of shingles where the an ocular version of shingles where the virus gets near the eye that could even virus gets near the eye that could even virus gets near the eye that could even increase the risk. So now we're you know increase the risk. So now we're you know increase the risk. So now we're you know we've always been pretty adamant about we've always been pretty adamant about we've always been pretty adamant about people getting their shingles vaccine people getting their shingles vaccine people getting their shingles vaccine once they hit 50. But that that's yet once they hit 50. But that that's yet once they hit 50. But that that's yet another reason I think that everybody another reason I think that everybody another reason I think that everybody once they hit 50 in fact I got my once they hit 50 in fact I got my once they hit 50 in fact I got my shingles vaccines when I was in my 40s. shingles vaccines when I was in my 40s. shingles vaccines when I was in my 40s. I was like [ __ ] it I'm not waiting till I was like [ __ ] it I'm not waiting till I was like [ __ ] it I'm not waiting till I'm 50. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, just I'm 50. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, just I'm 50. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, just from the standpoint of shingles being from the standpoint of shingles being from the standpoint of shingles being such a miserable, awful experience. Um, such a miserable, awful experience. Um, such a miserable, awful experience. Um, so, um, but you said blood pressure and so, um, but you said blood pressure and so, um, but you said blood pressure and insulin resistance. My dad does have insulin resistance. My dad does have insulin resistance. My dad does have high blood sugar and he has become high blood sugar and he has become high blood sugar and he has become insulin resistant. So, are you saying insulin resistant. So, are you saying insulin resistant. So, are you saying that like potent obviously there are that like potent obviously there are that like potent obviously there are genetic factors, but like could diet genetic factors, but like could diet genetic factors, but like could diet have also sped up that process have also sped up that process have also sped up that process potentially with him? potentially with him? potentially with him? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, [ __ ] It's horrifying to figure out >> Oh, [ __ ] It's horrifying to figure out >> Oh, [ __ ] It's horrifying to figure out that there's something that that there's something that that there's something that >> that could have been done to to stop >> that could have been done to to stop >> that could have been done to to stop that. that. >> Yeah. I mean, >> Yeah. I mean, >> Yeah. I mean, >> growing up, I always thought it was just >> growing up, I always thought it was just >> growing up, I always thought it was just like you either got it or you don't. like you either got it or you don't.

1:32like you either got it or you don't. It's genetics. It's genetics. It's genetics. >> Yeah. And and and again, there's there's >> Yeah. And and and again, there's there's >> Yeah. And and and again, there's there's a genetic component to all of these a genetic component to all of these a genetic component to all of these diseases, but um you you really can if diseases, but um you you really can if diseases, but um you you really can if you start early enough, uh you you you you start early enough, uh you you you you start early enough, uh you you you can circumvent a lot of the genetics. can circumvent a lot of the genetics. can circumvent a lot of the genetics. Certainly not every case. Look, there Certainly not every case. Look, there Certainly not every case. Look, there there are cases of Alzheimer's disease there are cases of Alzheimer's disease there are cases of Alzheimer's disease um that are predetermined. So, but um that are predetermined. So, but um that are predetermined. So, but fortunately, the predetermined cases fortunately, the predetermined cases fortunately, the predetermined cases represent less than 1% of cases. represent less than 1% of cases. represent less than 1% of cases. there are a handful of genes that there are a handful of genes that there are a handful of genes that guarantee a person will get Alzheimer's guarantee a person will get Alzheimer's guarantee a person will get Alzheimer's disease. Um and and tragically these disease. Um and and tragically these disease. Um and and tragically these these people succumb to the disease in these people succumb to the disease in these people succumb to the disease in their 50s usually. Okay. their 50s usually. Okay. their 50s usually. Okay. >> Um >> Um >> but again that's that's >> but again that's that's >> but again that's that's >> 1% of cases. So 99% of cases >> 1% of cases. So 99% of cases >> 1% of cases. So 99% of cases >> are environmental >> are environmental >> are environmental >> are there's a genetic component but but >> are there's a genetic component but but >> are there's a genetic component but but they seem to be triggered by they seem to be triggered by they seem to be triggered by >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> insulin resistance, hypertension, hyper >> insulin resistance, hypertension, hyper >> insulin resistance, hypertension, hyper lipidmia. This is the stuff that I think lipidmia. This is the stuff that I think lipidmia. This is the stuff that I think is so motivational, right? Like once you is so motivational, right? Like once you is so motivational, right? Like once you learn about that, I mean, did you guys learn about that, I mean, did you guys learn about that, I mean, did you guys learn that Alzheimer's was something learn that Alzheimer's was something learn that Alzheimer's was something that you could potentially that you could potentially that you could potentially >> We didn't learn this in med school. Why >> We didn't learn this in med school. Why >> We didn't learn this in med school. Why would these guys have learned about it?

1:33would these guys have learned about it? would these guys have learned about it? >> It's kind of crazy. >> It's kind of crazy. >> It's kind of crazy. >> No offense, but I went to nursing >> No offense, but I went to nursing >> No offense, but I went to nursing school, but yeah, I never heard that school, but yeah, I never heard that school, but yeah, I never heard that before. before. before. >> But it's I mean like I would have loved >> But it's I mean like I would have loved >> But it's I mean like I would have loved to know about this. My dad's starting to know about this. My dad's starting to know about this. My dad's starting every morning with a corn muffin from every morning with a corn muffin from every morning with a corn muffin from the deli. Like that can't be good for the deli. Like that can't be good for the deli. Like that can't be good for him. Yeah. him. Yeah. him. Yeah. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. >> No, medicine has a huge blind spot to >> No, medicine has a huge blind spot to >> No, medicine has a huge blind spot to this topic. Um this topic. Um this topic. Um >> why is that? I think it just has to do with the I think it just has to do with the structure of reimbursement and payment structure of reimbursement and payment structure of reimbursement and payment built around diagnostic codes and built around diagnostic codes and built around diagnostic codes and interventions. So medicine has basically interventions. So medicine has basically interventions. So medicine has basically two types of interventions uh drugs and two types of interventions uh drugs and two types of interventions uh drugs and procedures. procedures. procedures. >> And so we have codes for both drugs and >> And so we have codes for both drugs and >> And so we have codes for both drugs and procedures and diagnoses. procedures and diagnoses. procedures and diagnoses. >> We don't have code for prevention. >> We don't have code for prevention. >> We don't have code for prevention. >> Yeah. We don't really have a billing >> Yeah. We don't really have a billing >> Yeah. We don't really have a billing system that makes sense to say, "Oh, uh, system that makes sense to say, "Oh, uh, system that makes sense to say, "Oh, uh, you know, uh, John came in today to see you know, uh, John came in today to see you know, uh, John came in today to see me and I noticed that he's a little me and I noticed that he's a little me and I noticed that he's a little pre-diabetic. pre-diabetic. pre-diabetic. Um, but rather than just write him a Um, but rather than just write him a Um, but rather than just write him a prescription for Metformin, you know, I prescription for Metformin, you know, I prescription for Metformin, you know, I spent half an hour with him and I spent half an hour with him and I spent half an hour with him and I figured out that he's not sleeping that

1:34figured out that he's not sleeping that figured out that he's not sleeping that well. So, I walked him through some of well. So, I walked him through some of well. So, I walked him through some of the CBTI techniques for improving his the CBTI techniques for improving his the CBTI techniques for improving his sleep, like like there's no way like how sleep, like like there's no way like how sleep, like like there's no way like how would you pay somebody for that? It's would you pay somebody for that? It's would you pay somebody for that? It's sort of like sort of like sort of like >> the reward system isn't built for it." >> the reward system isn't built for it." >> the reward system isn't built for it." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No money. >> So then it trickles down. So then it's >> So then it trickles down. So then it's >> So then it trickles down. So then it's not going to be part of the education not going to be part of the education not going to be part of the education system. So I mean if you like people system. So I mean if you like people system. So I mean if you like people often ask me like well why should I often ask me like well why should I often ask me like well why should I listen to anything you say? Like you listen to anything you say? Like you listen to anything you say? Like you trained as a surgeon. Like how how does trained as a surgeon. Like how how does trained as a surgeon. Like how how does your surgical training have anything to your surgical training have anything to your surgical training have anything to do with what you do today? And I was do with what you do today? And I was do with what you do today? And I was like yeah you're right. Nothing. Like like yeah you're right. Nothing. Like like yeah you're right. Nothing. Like nothing. But but here's the point. Had I nothing. But but here's the point. Had I nothing. But but here's the point. Had I gone and done internal medicine or gone and done internal medicine or gone and done internal medicine or family medicine or rheumatology? It family medicine or rheumatology? It family medicine or rheumatology? It would still the answer would still be would still the answer would still be would still the answer would still be nothing. Right? like all these things nothing. Right? like all these things nothing. Right? like all these things I've learned over the past 15 years I've learned over the past 15 years I've learned over the past 15 years would they were not going to be things would they were not going to be things would they were not going to be things you were going to learn uh in a in a in you were going to learn uh in a in a in you were going to learn uh in a in a in a standard medical system. And by the a standard medical system. And by the a standard medical system. And by the way, I'm not saying that that that way, I'm not saying that that that way, I'm not saying that that that standard system isn't wonderful. It is standard system isn't wonderful. It is standard system isn't wonderful. It is like we owe a lot to that medicine 2.0 like we owe a lot to that medicine 2.0 like we owe a lot to that medicine 2.0 as I call it system. Um as I call it system. Um as I call it system. Um >> but it's it's really at the limits of >> but it's it's really at the limits of >> but it's it's really at the limits of what it's going to solve.

1:35what it's going to solve. what it's going to solve. >> So we need to make some fundamental >> So we need to make some fundamental >> So we need to make some fundamental changes. changes. changes. >> Yeah. We just have to have two systems >> Yeah. We just have to have two systems >> Yeah. We just have to have two systems that run in parallel. You have to have that run in parallel. You have to have that run in parallel. You have to have your medicine 2.0 system for when you your medicine 2.0 system for when you your medicine 2.0 system for when you have pneumonia, when you have a heart have pneumonia, when you have a heart have pneumonia, when you have a heart attack, when you get cancer, when all of attack, when you get cancer, when all of attack, when you get cancer, when all of these things happen that are horrible. these things happen that are horrible. these things happen that are horrible. You need the system that we have right You need the system that we have right You need the system that we have right now to fix it. But we have to be now to fix it. But we have to be now to fix it. But we have to be spreading some resources over to a spreading some resources over to a spreading some resources over to a system that says, "Hey, when you're 20 system that says, "Hey, when you're 20 system that says, "Hey, when you're 20 years old, why don't I start doing all years old, why don't I start doing all years old, why don't I start doing all this stuff in you so that when you're this stuff in you so that when you're this stuff in you so that when you're 75, you look more like a 55year-old 75, you look more like a 55year-old 75, you look more like a 55year-old internally?" internally?" internally?" >> There's definitely like it seems that >> There's definitely like it seems that >> There's definitely like it seems that there's a thirst for it. I mean, there's a thirst for it. I mean, there's a thirst for it. I mean, obviously you spearheading it and then, obviously you spearheading it and then, obviously you spearheading it and then, you know, Rogan taking such an interest you know, Rogan taking such an interest you know, Rogan taking such an interest in it, like I don't know if this is in it, like I don't know if this is in it, like I don't know if this is directly from you guys. I assume it is, directly from you guys. I assume it is, directly from you guys. I assume it is, but like I've heard that even young but like I've heard that even young but like I've heard that even young people are drinking like 10 15% less. people are drinking like 10 15% less. people are drinking like 10 15% less. >> Yeah, I have I have I've seen stats >> Yeah, I have I have I've seen stats >> Yeah, I have I have I've seen stats about that. Yeah. And uh I mean smoking about that. Yeah. And uh I mean smoking about that. Yeah. And uh I mean smoking has gone way down like you know which has gone way down like you know which has gone way down like you know which are nice things and maybe you want are nice things and maybe you want are nice things and maybe you want humans to have some agency over their humans to have some agency over their humans to have some agency over their own body like maybe it's not only up to own body like maybe it's not only up to own body like maybe it's not only up to the medical industrial complex to tell

1:36the medical industrial complex to tell the medical industrial complex to tell us what to do like maybe it is good that us what to do like maybe it is good that us what to do like maybe it is good that we do some research and we start going we do some research and we start going we do some research and we start going yeah well maybe if I eat right and yeah well maybe if I eat right and yeah well maybe if I eat right and exercise that this will be better for me exercise that this will be better for me exercise that this will be better for me but uh at least having access to the but uh at least having access to the but uh at least having access to the information is important that's crazy information is important that's crazy information is important that's crazy that 99% of dementia that 99% of dementia that 99% of dementia could have environmental effects that could have environmental effects that could have environmental effects that have sped up the process. have sped up the process. have sped up the process. >> Yeah. And just to be clear, there's a >> Yeah. And just to be clear, there's a >> Yeah. And just to be clear, there's a spectrum within there, right? There are spectrum within there, right? There are spectrum within there, right? There are some people that are going to have two some people that are going to have two some people that are going to have two copies of an APOE4 gene. copies of an APOE4 gene. copies of an APOE4 gene. >> They're going to have it. >> They're going to have it. >> They're going to have it. >> Well, they won't necessarily have it, >> Well, they won't necessarily have it, >> Well, they won't necessarily have it, but they're going to have a 10 times but they're going to have a 10 times but they're going to have a 10 times higher rate of having it, but then higher rate of having it, but then higher rate of having it, but then there's still something that might there's still something that might there's still something that might triggered it, but but look, triggered it, but but look, triggered it, but but look, >> half the case, a third of the cases of >> half the case, a third of the cases of >> half the case, a third of the cases of Alzheimer's disease don't even have one Alzheimer's disease don't even have one Alzheimer's disease don't even have one copy of the APOE4 gene. they might still copy of the APOE4 gene. they might still copy of the APOE4 gene. they might still have some other gene that we don't know have some other gene that we don't know have some other gene that we don't know yet is participating in this but but you yet is participating in this but but you yet is participating in this but but you know we have to believe that there are know we have to believe that there are know we have to believe that there are significant environmental triggers significant environmental triggers significant environmental triggers >> and I think that plays more of a role >> and I think that plays more of a role >> and I think that plays more of a role than what we see in cancer. I think in than what we see in cancer. I think in than what we see in cancer. I think in cancer you have more of kind of the bad cancer you have more of kind of the bad cancer you have more of kind of the bad luck problem, right? luck problem, right? luck problem, right? >> Where just cells are constantly turning >> Where just cells are constantly turning >> Where just cells are constantly turning over DNA and then you just event, you

1:37over DNA and then you just event, you over DNA and then you just event, you know, you make so many mistakes and know, you make so many mistakes and know, you make so many mistakes and eventually one gets out that the immune eventually one gets out that the immune eventually one gets out that the immune system evades and and that's why I think system evades and and that's why I think system evades and and that's why I think we still and we'll we will always see we still and we'll we will always see we still and we'll we will always see people who do everything right get people who do everything right get people who do everything right get cancer. cancer. cancer. >> And you said how important early >> And you said how important early >> And you said how important early detection is when it comes to cancer. detection is when it comes to cancer. detection is when it comes to cancer. How do you feel about like full body MRI How do you feel about like full body MRI How do you feel about like full body MRI scans? Um, I think they um, again, we do scans? Um, I think they um, again, we do scans? Um, I think they um, again, we do them with our patients, but we are we're them with our patients, but we are we're them with our patients, but we are we're pretty careful about doing it and we we pretty careful about doing it and we we pretty careful about doing it and we we don't necessarily recommend everybody do don't necessarily recommend everybody do don't necessarily recommend everybody do it because you open up a can of worms it because you open up a can of worms it because you open up a can of worms with that stuff. So, first of all, most with that stuff. So, first of all, most with that stuff. So, first of all, most MRI scanners out there are garbage. So, MRI scanners out there are garbage. So, MRI scanners out there are garbage. So, they're not even remotely good enough to they're not even remotely good enough to they're not even remotely good enough to be doing this. MRI in general be doing this. MRI in general be doing this. MRI in general >> is just kind of a crap technology >> is just kind of a crap technology >> is just kind of a crap technology compared to CT scan. compared to CT scan. compared to CT scan. >> Yeah, the magnet the magnet is makes a >> Yeah, the magnet the magnet is makes a >> Yeah, the magnet the magnet is makes a ton of noise, but that I mean the ton of noise, but that I mean the ton of noise, but that I mean the problem with MRI is it's not a problem with MRI is it's not a problem with MRI is it's not a standardized standardized standardized This is it's it's hard to explain this This is it's it's hard to explain this This is it's it's hard to explain this without getting really into the physics without getting really into the physics without getting really into the physics of it, which is super cumbersome, but of it, which is super cumbersome, but of it, which is super cumbersome, but like a CT scan has a quantifiable unit

1:38like a CT scan has a quantifiable unit like a CT scan has a quantifiable unit of measurement. So when you look at a CT of measurement. So when you look at a CT of measurement. So when you look at a CT scan, it might look like it's black and scan, it might look like it's black and scan, it might look like it's black and white and different shades of gray, but white and different shades of gray, but white and different shades of gray, but every one of those pixels can be every one of those pixels can be every one of those pixels can be described in something called a described in something called a described in something called a Houndsfield unit. and you know exactly Houndsfield unit. and you know exactly Houndsfield unit. and you know exactly what the color of that is and it's what the color of that is and it's what the color of that is and it's perfectly quantifiable and it's perfectly quantifiable and it's perfectly quantifiable and it's reproducible no matter what machine you reproducible no matter what machine you reproducible no matter what machine you get it done in. So some machines might get it done in. So some machines might get it done in. So some machines might have a higher resolution, some machines have a higher resolution, some machines have a higher resolution, some machines might go faster and some machines might might go faster and some machines might might go faster and some machines might have more or less radiation but the have more or less radiation but the have more or less radiation but the image reliability there's one language image reliability there's one language image reliability there's one language with MRI it ain't that way. with MRI it ain't that way. with MRI it ain't that way. >> So an MRI from one hospital could speak >> So an MRI from one hospital could speak >> So an MRI from one hospital could speak a different language than MI from Holy a different language than MI from Holy a different language than MI from Holy >> and so you are relying on a radiologist >> and so you are relying on a radiologist >> and so you are relying on a radiologist to sort of try to look through this to sort of try to look through this to sort of try to look through this thing. And so you might ask, well, why thing. And so you might ask, well, why thing. And so you might ask, well, why do we even do MRIs? Well, there are some do we even do MRIs? Well, there are some do we even do MRIs? Well, there are some things for which when you add contrast things for which when you add contrast things for which when you add contrast and you run a certain protocol, you get and you run a certain protocol, you get and you run a certain protocol, you get a much better look at certain types of a much better look at certain types of a much better look at certain types of tissue, but for this application for tissue, but for this application for tissue, but for this application for cancer screening, it's nowhere near as cancer screening, it's nowhere near as cancer screening, it's nowhere near as good as CT, but we just don't want to good as CT, but we just don't want to good as CT, but we just don't want to put people through that much radiation. put people through that much radiation. put people through that much radiation. So, we use the MRI with no contrast. Um So, we use the MRI with no contrast. Um So, we use the MRI with no contrast. Um but you know there are most of the

1:39but you know there are most of the but you know there are most of the companies that are out there advertising companies that are out there advertising companies that are out there advertising to do this are kind of running lousy to do this are kind of running lousy to do this are kind of running lousy protocols and um you know they're doing protocols and um you know they're doing protocols and um you know they're doing it really cheap. But the problem is it really cheap. But the problem is it really cheap. But the problem is you're missing cancers and more you're missing cancers and more you're missing cancers and more importantly you're catching a lot of importantly you're catching a lot of importantly you're catching a lot of things that aren't cancer and you're things that aren't cancer and you're things that aren't cancer and you're getting a lot of false positives and getting a lot of false positives and getting a lot of false positives and that creates a ton of emotional stress that creates a ton of emotional stress that creates a ton of emotional stress for people and can lead to a lot of for people and can lead to a lot of for people and can lead to a lot of follow-up procedures. And so when we follow-up procedures. And so when we follow-up procedures. And so when we talk to our patients about doing this, talk to our patients about doing this, talk to our patients about doing this, our view is you don't don't do this our view is you don't don't do this our view is you don't don't do this unless you're willing to go down a unless you're willing to go down a unless you're willing to go down a rabbit hole where we saw a nodule on rabbit hole where we saw a nodule on rabbit hole where we saw a nodule on your thyroid. It's probably not cancer, your thyroid. It's probably not cancer, your thyroid. It's probably not cancer, but now we can't ignore it. So we have but now we can't ignore it. So we have but now we can't ignore it. So we have to do an ultrasound. We're going to have to do an ultrasound. We're going to have to do an ultrasound. We're going to have to put a needle in it, take a biopsy, to put a needle in it, take a biopsy, to put a needle in it, take a biopsy, and I would say 20% of our patients are and I would say 20% of our patients are and I would say 20% of our patients are like, "Yeah, don't sign me up for that. like, "Yeah, don't sign me up for that. like, "Yeah, don't sign me up for that. Forget it." We had a we had a friend um Forget it." We had a we had a friend um Forget it." We had a we had a friend um whose mom went in. They saw some what whose mom went in. They saw some what whose mom went in. They saw some what they thought I guess were like tumors. they thought I guess were like tumors. they thought I guess were like tumors. >> And they in the moment diagnosed her >> And they in the moment diagnosed her >> And they in the moment diagnosed her with stage four. with stage four. with stage four. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> They're like this is probably have maybe

1:40>> They're like this is probably have maybe >> They're like this is probably have maybe a couple years left. Like we're going to a couple years left. Like we're going to a couple years left. Like we're going to go in and look at them, but it looks go in and look at them, but it looks go in and look at them, but it looks like it's spread. I think stage four is like it's spread. I think stage four is like it's spread. I think stage four is when it spread to multiple parts of the when it spread to multiple parts of the when it spread to multiple parts of the body. body. body. >> Take them out, do the biopsy. They're >> Take them out, do the biopsy. They're >> Take them out, do the biopsy. They're like, "Oh, they're all benign." like, "Oh, they're all benign." like, "Oh, they're all benign." >> All right. new lease on life there. >> All right. new lease on life there. >> All right. new lease on life there. >> I mean, there's a part of you that goes, >> I mean, there's a part of you that goes, >> I mean, there's a part of you that goes, "Oh my god, I feel so lucky." And then "Oh my god, I feel so lucky." And then "Oh my god, I feel so lucky." And then there's another part of you like, "What there's another part of you like, "What there's another part of you like, "What is this system where they go, you're is this system where they go, you're is this system where they go, you're going to die in two years?" And they go, going to die in two years?" And they go, going to die in two years?" And they go, "Oopsy, we didn't know." I mean, "Oopsy, we didn't know." I mean, "Oopsy, we didn't know." I mean, >> yeah, it's crazy. What What about AI as >> yeah, it's crazy. What What about AI as >> yeah, it's crazy. What What about AI as a diagnostic tool? Like, as that's on a diagnostic tool? Like, as that's on a diagnostic tool? Like, as that's on the horizon, how is that? the horizon, how is that? the horizon, how is that? >> Yeah. AI will help radiologists a lot, >> Yeah. AI will help radiologists a lot, >> Yeah. AI will help radiologists a lot, but it won't help MRI until this problem but it won't help MRI until this problem but it won't help MRI until this problem gets solved. So, until gets solved. So, until gets solved. So, until >> MRI is speaking the same language, it >> MRI is speaking the same language, it >> MRI is speaking the same language, it doesn't matter. Yeah. doesn't matter. Yeah. doesn't matter. Yeah. >> Excuse me. Until the MRI's pixels are >> Excuse me. Until the MRI's pixels are >> Excuse me. Until the MRI's pixels are all standardized, uh AI can't do all standardized, uh AI can't do all standardized, uh AI can't do anything. anything. anything. >> What can AI do for pre what will AI do >> What can AI do for pre what will AI do >> What can AI do for pre what will AI do for just medicine in general? How will for just medicine in general? How will for just medicine in general? How will it affect longevity? Like where do you it affect longevity? Like where do you it affect longevity? Like where do you see it playing a part? see it playing a part? see it playing a part? >> God, there's so many ways. Um >> God, there's so many ways. Um >> God, there's so many ways. Um it's already playing a pretty it's already playing a pretty it's already playing a pretty interesting role in drug discovery. So interesting role in drug discovery. So interesting role in drug discovery. So how do you how do we create drugs? So a

1:41how do you how do we create drugs? So a how do you how do we create drugs? So a lot of times drugs are designed they're lot of times drugs are designed they're lot of times drugs are designed they're not meaning you you know the receptor not meaning you you know the receptor not meaning you you know the receptor that you want to activate or block and that you want to activate or block and that you want to activate or block and you know it's 3D structure and and you you know it's 3D structure and and you you know it's 3D structure and and you know what the protein is that makes it know what the protein is that makes it know what the protein is that makes it and you say okay well I have to make and you say okay well I have to make and you say okay well I have to make something that fits into here. something that fits into here. something that fits into here. >> So in the olden days you had to do it by >> So in the olden days you had to do it by >> So in the olden days you had to do it by trial and error. So you're just throwing trial and error. So you're just throwing trial and error. So you're just throwing different proteins at in. So different proteins at in. So different proteins at in. So >> yeah, you're what if I put this amino >> yeah, you're what if I put this amino >> yeah, you're what if I put this amino acid next to what if I string these acid next to what if I string these acid next to what if I string these 2,000 amino acids together? Will they 2,000 amino acids together? Will they 2,000 amino acids together? Will they fold in the right way to make a fold in the right way to make a fold in the right way to make a structure that fits there? Well, the guy structure that fits there? Well, the guy structure that fits there? Well, the guy that the company that won the Nobel that the company that won the Nobel that the company that won the Nobel Prize last year, uh was a it's a company Prize last year, uh was a it's a company Prize last year, uh was a it's a company that spun out of Google. They came up that spun out of Google. They came up that spun out of Google. They came up with an AI engine that now can predict with an AI engine that now can predict with an AI engine that now can predict from the amino acid sequence how it will from the amino acid sequence how it will from the amino acid sequence how it will fold and what the shape will be. So you fold and what the shape will be. So you fold and what the shape will be. So you don't have to do the trial and error don't have to do the trial and error don't have to do the trial and error because because >> you can just make you can just make the >> you can just make you can just make the >> you can just make you can just make the drug. drug. drug. >> Oh my god. So much cheaper. So much >> Oh my god. So much cheaper. So much >> Oh my god. So much cheaper. So much faster. faster. faster. >> Yeah. I mean I don't want to overplay >> Yeah. I mean I don't want to overplay >> Yeah. I mean I don't want to overplay it. Um

1:42it. Um it. Um >> so much faster and cheaper for that >> so much faster and cheaper for that >> so much faster and cheaper for that step. That's step one of 27, right? You step. That's step one of 27, right? You step. That's step one of 27, right? You still have I mean I'm being a bit still have I mean I'm being a bit still have I mean I'm being a bit facicious, but now you still have to go facicious, but now you still have to go facicious, but now you still have to go and test that drug in mice. Then you and test that drug in mice. Then you and test that drug in mice. Then you have to get an IND. Then you have to do have to get an IND. Then you have to do have to get an IND. Then you have to do a phase one, then a phase two, then a a phase one, then a phase two, then a a phase one, then a phase two, then a phase three. That's actually what takes phase three. That's actually what takes phase three. That's actually what takes the most time and costs the most money. the most time and costs the most money. the most time and costs the most money. But that's still a really big deal. And But that's still a really big deal. And But that's still a really big deal. And by the way, if AI simulations can speed by the way, if AI simulations can speed by the way, if AI simulations can speed up the second and third Yeah. Yeah. Then up the second and third Yeah. Yeah. Then up the second and third Yeah. Yeah. Then then we could start to take then we could start to take then we could start to take >> So, so how would you create data sets >> So, so how would you create data sets >> So, so how would you create data sets with fake mice or with AI versions of with fake mice or with AI versions of with fake mice or with AI versions of mice? mice? mice? >> Um, you'd have to do it off real data to >> Um, you'd have to do it off real data to >> Um, you'd have to do it off real data to start probably. And of course, you'd start probably. And of course, you'd start probably. And of course, you'd have to come up with models that could have to come up with models that could have to come up with models that could understand what's happening and create understand what's happening and create understand what's happening and create perhaps some sort of synthetic data off perhaps some sort of synthetic data off perhaps some sort of synthetic data off smaller sample sizes or things like smaller sample sizes or things like smaller sample sizes or things like that. So maybe you run a smaller sample that. So maybe you run a smaller sample that. So maybe you run a smaller sample size, but you get enough data out of size, but you get enough data out of size, but you get enough data out of there that you can simulate what would there that you can simulate what would there that you can simulate what would happen on a larger data size. happen on a larger data size. happen on a larger data size. >> I mean, that's that's where you get the >> I mean, that's that's where you get the >> I mean, that's that's where you get the exponential increases when you can use exponential increases when you can use exponential increases when you can use the they're not called fake data the they're not called fake data the they're not called fake data samples. They're called a synthetic

1:43samples. They're called a synthetic samples. They're called a synthetic synthetic data sample. Once you create synthetic data sample. Once you create synthetic data sample. Once you create synthetic data samples for something, synthetic data samples for something, synthetic data samples for something, you're out of here, right? you're out of here, right? you're out of here, right? >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's still hard for >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's still hard for >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's still hard for me to kind of wrap my mind around what me to kind of wrap my mind around what me to kind of wrap my mind around what that's going to mean in in humans. But that's going to mean in in humans. But that's going to mean in in humans. But if I just think about what I've watched if I just think about what I've watched if I just think about what I've watched AI do when I muck around with it now AI do when I muck around with it now AI do when I muck around with it now versus a year ago versus two years ago. versus a year ago versus two years ago. versus a year ago versus two years ago. I mean, you know, it's just done that. I mean, you know, it's just done that. I mean, you know, it's just done that. So, so it's it what that means it's So, so it's it what that means it's So, so it's it what that means it's really hard to sort of imagine what it really hard to sort of imagine what it really hard to sort of imagine what it could do. There are also some super could do. There are also some super could do. There are also some super super unsexy things that AI could be super unsexy things that AI could be super unsexy things that AI could be doing that would like lower the cost of doing that would like lower the cost of doing that would like lower the cost of healthare. like our our healthare system healthare. like our our healthare system healthare. like our our healthare system has such a high administrative burden has such a high administrative burden has such a high administrative burden and um and um and um >> and it you know we're talking about 7 >> and it you know we're talking about 7 >> and it you know we're talking about 7 to800 billion dollars of money to800 billion dollars of money to800 billion dollars of money >> that's pure admin >> that's pure admin >> that's pure admin >> of just admin burden which you could I >> of just admin burden which you could I >> of just admin burden which you could I mean AI could do all of that stuff mean AI could do all of that stuff mean AI could do all of that stuff >> wow that's significant >> wow that's significant >> wow that's significant >> 7 to 800 million of pure adminion sorry >> 7 to 800 million of pure adminion sorry >> 7 to 800 million of pure adminion sorry billion of pure admin billion of pure admin billion of pure admin >> I'm thinking about countries where >> I'm thinking about countries where >> I'm thinking about countries where they're offering it they're just they're offering it they're just they're offering it they're just offering universal healthare Imagine

1:44offering universal healthare Imagine offering universal healthare Imagine what that means for them. I mean, what that means for them. I mean, what that means for them. I mean, >> well, they have much less admin cost >> well, they have much less admin cost >> well, they have much less admin cost than us than us than us >> because why? They've already >> because why? They've already >> because why? They've already >> they don't have to adjudicate payments. >> they don't have to adjudicate payments. >> they don't have to adjudicate payments. So, when I say the admin here has how do So, when I say the admin here has how do So, when I say the admin here has how do I take the payer and the provider and I take the payer and the provider and I take the payer and the provider and adjudicate the claim and make the adjudicate the claim and make the adjudicate the claim and make the payment. That's where the insane payment. That's where the insane payment. That's where the insane friction is in our system which is friction is in our system which is friction is in our system which is unique to us. unique to us. unique to us. >> Is there like >> Is there like >> Is there like you're around a very morbid topic, you're around a very morbid topic, you're around a very morbid topic, right? We're talking about trying to right? We're talking about trying to right? We're talking about trying to avoid death. So, you can't not think avoid death. So, you can't not think avoid death. So, you can't not think about death. about death. about death. There's got to be a lot of like positive There's got to be a lot of like positive There's got to be a lot of like positive and happy, joyful things that are coming and happy, joyful things that are coming and happy, joyful things that are coming out of this. You have to see people out of this. You have to see people out of this. You have to see people change their lives, turn their lives change their lives, turn their lives change their lives, turn their lives around. Like I I feel like we fixate a around. Like I I feel like we fixate a around. Like I I feel like we fixate a lot on like what could potentially be lot on like what could potentially be lot on like what could potentially be killing us and how we're being harmed. killing us and how we're being harmed. killing us and how we're being harmed. But like are there a lot of But like are there a lot of But like are there a lot of circumstances where you're seeing people circumstances where you're seeing people circumstances where you're seeing people in their 30s, they're 40. Like I'm 40, in their 30s, they're 40. Like I'm 40, in their 30s, they're 40. Like I'm 40, Mark's in his 20s, late 20s. Probably Mark's in his 20s, late 20s. Probably Mark's in his 20s, late 20s. Probably pretty much 30 or 40 already. pretty much 30 or 40 already. pretty much 30 or 40 already. >> No, late. And uh and then and Alison is >> No, late. And uh and then and Alison is >> No, late. And uh and then and Alison is 30. So like

1:4530. So like 30. So like >> like is it have you seen this have you >> like is it have you seen this have you >> like is it have you seen this have you seen this start to like impact these seen this start to like impact these seen this start to like impact these younger generations? And is there like a younger generations? And is there like a younger generations? And is there like a part of you that's very proud to see part of you that's very proud to see part of you that's very proud to see them taking it this seriously? Are there them taking it this seriously? Are there them taking it this seriously? Are there certain people that you're working with certain people that you're working with certain people that you're working with that you're seeing like lifechanging that you're seeing like lifechanging that you're seeing like lifechanging things happen to? Like I don't want to things happen to? Like I don't want to things happen to? Like I don't want to just fixate on like what's negative just fixate on like what's negative just fixate on like what's negative about this. I think it's a cool moment about this. I think it's a cool moment about this. I think it's a cool moment in history where we have access to this in history where we have access to this in history where we have access to this information. It's terrifying because I information. It's terrifying because I information. It's terrifying because I don't know if an ice bath is good or don't know if an ice bath is good or don't know if an ice bath is good or bad. I don't know if a song is good or bad. I don't know if a song is good or bad. I don't know if a song is good or bad. like this is the cost of having bad. like this is the cost of having bad. like this is the cost of having free information out there is that free information out there is that free information out there is that there's going to be a lot of things that there's going to be a lot of things that there's going to be a lot of things that mislead you, but like give us some hope. mislead you, but like give us some hope. mislead you, but like give us some hope. I know that you're busy, you got to get I know that you're busy, you got to get I know that you're busy, you got to get out of here, but like where where do you out of here, but like where where do you out of here, but like where where do you get excited at seeing the positive get excited at seeing the positive get excited at seeing the positive benefits of this longevity research? benefits of this longevity research? benefits of this longevity research? >> Yeah, I mean I think honestly for me >> Yeah, I mean I think honestly for me >> Yeah, I mean I think honestly for me it's I mostly think of the positive it's I mostly think of the positive it's I mostly think of the positive stuff. I don't I don't um stuff. I don't I don't um stuff. I don't I don't um I mean sometimes I get into an I mean sometimes I get into an I mean sometimes I get into an existential funk about mortality. existential funk about mortality. existential funk about mortality. Probably everybody does if they think Probably everybody does if they think Probably everybody does if they think about it enough. about it enough. about it enough. you know, if you lose a parent, you you know, if you lose a parent, you you know, if you lose a parent, you know, you have these moments that are know, you have these moments that are know, you have these moments that are really jarring where you um you you you

1:46really jarring where you um you you you really jarring where you um you you you can't understand what is life sometimes. can't understand what is life sometimes. can't understand what is life sometimes. But but that's I don't spend a lot of But but that's I don't spend a lot of But but that's I don't spend a lot of time on that. I I I've sort of uh I I time on that. I I I've sort of uh I I time on that. I I I've sort of uh I I think much more about um think much more about um think much more about um both my individual aspirations, you both my individual aspirations, you both my individual aspirations, you know, as a as a as a husband, as a know, as a as a as a husband, as a know, as a as a as a husband, as a father, uh with my friends and and father, uh with my friends and and father, uh with my friends and and things of that nature. and and that's things of that nature. and and that's things of that nature. and and that's you know that that's just very exciting you know that that's just very exciting you know that that's just very exciting to me and and as you said my patients to me and and as you said my patients to me and and as you said my patients are you know wonderful and I love I love are you know wonderful and I love I love are you know wonderful and I love I love watching all the ways we reduce risk in watching all the ways we reduce risk in watching all the ways we reduce risk in them. Um and then you know finally I them. Um and then you know finally I them. Um and then you know finally I think a lot about things I'm excited think a lot about things I'm excited think a lot about things I'm excited about when how to actually scale this about when how to actually scale this about when how to actually scale this and make this kind of something that we and make this kind of something that we and make this kind of something that we can deliver to everybody. can deliver to everybody. can deliver to everybody. >> How do we do that? Um, we we do it with >> How do we do that? Um, we we do it with >> How do we do that? Um, we we do it with software, right? We do it with software software, right? We do it with software software, right? We do it with software and AI and and that's that's kind of the and AI and and that's that's kind of the and AI and and that's that's kind of the the next frontier for what I what I you the next frontier for what I what I you the next frontier for what I what I you know where I where I think we should be know where I where I think we should be know where I where I think we should be going. going. going. >> Are you going to put out like >> Are you going to put out like >> Are you going to put out like anformational app? You're going to put anformational app? You're going to put anformational app? You're going to put out some sort of out some sort of out some sort of I I what is it like an encyclopedia of

1:47I I what is it like an encyclopedia of I I what is it like an encyclopedia of this information where we can this information where we can this information where we can >> No, I think information by itself is not >> No, I think information by itself is not >> No, I think information by itself is not sufficient. Um I think it has to be more sufficient. Um I think it has to be more sufficient. Um I think it has to be more actionoriented. It has to be more of a actionoriented. It has to be more of a actionoriented. It has to be more of a co-pilot uh like kind of a health co-pilot uh like kind of a health co-pilot uh like kind of a health fiduciary. So it's sort of like fiduciary. So it's sort of like fiduciary. So it's sort of like if you had me standing next to you every if you had me standing next to you every if you had me standing next to you every single day single day single day helping you decide how to exercise, how helping you decide how to exercise, how helping you decide how to exercise, how to eat, what to do, what to do with any to eat, what to do, what to do with any to eat, what to do, what to do with any results you have. Um but on a day-to-day results you have. Um but on a day-to-day results you have. Um but on a day-to-day basis, right? Not some sort of grand basis, right? Not some sort of grand basis, right? Not some sort of grand once a year sort of overhaul. um once a year sort of overhaul. um once a year sort of overhaul. um over time you're these benefits would over time you're these benefits would over time you're these benefits would compound a lot. So I I again I think compound a lot. So I I again I think compound a lot. So I I again I think this is not this is not this is not >> how can the average person access that I >> how can the average person access that I >> how can the average person access that I imagine your time is imagine your time is imagine your time is >> No but of course but again if you scale >> No but of course but again if you scale >> No but of course but again if you scale me via software yeah me via software yeah me via software yeah >> so is that something you're working on >> so is that something you're working on >> so is that something you're working on and then when do we think I I you're and then when do we think I I you're and then when do we think I I you're being a little hesitant about sharing being a little hesitant about sharing being a little hesitant about sharing this information so I imagine it's in this information so I imagine it's in this information so I imagine it's in development but when do we think we get

1:48development but when do we think we get development but when do we think we get a look at that a look at that a look at that >> because I think this is trans >> because I think this is trans >> because I think this is trans >> sooner rather than later >> sooner rather than later >> sooner rather than later >> really. Yeah, this year hopefully early >> really. Yeah, this year hopefully early >> really. Yeah, this year hopefully early next year. next year. next year. >> And are you partnering with anybody on >> And are you partnering with anybody on >> And are you partnering with anybody on this? Philip Morris maybe. Or this? Philip Morris maybe. Or this? Philip Morris maybe. Or >> we have a Marbor sponsor. >> we have a Marbor sponsor. >> we have a Marbor sponsor. They're the lead sponsor. Yeah. They're the lead sponsor. Yeah. They're the lead sponsor. Yeah. >> But this is all you guys. This is Wow. >> But this is all you guys. This is Wow. >> But this is all you guys. This is Wow. And uh I mean I have so many questions And uh I mean I have so many questions And uh I mean I have so many questions about this because I think this is the about this because I think this is the about this because I think this is the trickiest thing. I imagine for all of us trickiest thing. I imagine for all of us trickiest thing. I imagine for all of us it's like political information. I don't it's like political information. I don't it's like political information. I don't know what the [ __ ] is right or wrong. know what the [ __ ] is right or wrong. know what the [ __ ] is right or wrong. Everything's filtered in through Everything's filtered in through Everything's filtered in through people's biases. And then we get into people's biases. And then we get into people's biases. And then we get into science where it's like we already are science where it's like we already are science where it's like we already are so ignorant to it. The second you say so ignorant to it. The second you say so ignorant to it. The second you say BPC 157, I'm like, well, it must be BPC 157, I'm like, well, it must be BPC 157, I'm like, well, it must be good. You know, it just sounds so good. You know, it just sounds so good. You know, it just sounds so technical. Exactly. Somebody called it technical. Exactly. Somebody called it technical. Exactly. Somebody called it the Wolverine peptide, and I was like, I the Wolverine peptide, and I was like, I the Wolverine peptide, and I was like, I want to be Wolverine, want to be Wolverine, want to be Wolverine, >> right? You've heard you've heard all >> right? You've heard you've heard all >> right? You've heard you've heard all this [ __ ] right? And this [ __ ] right? And this [ __ ] right? And >> no, I don't spend time on social media. >> no, I don't spend time on social media. >> no, I don't spend time on social media. I don't I can't I can't I don't I can't I can't I don't I can't I can't >> Again, that's part of my longevity >> Again, that's part of my longevity >> Again, that's part of my longevity strategy. I cannot look I mean, when I strategy. I cannot look I mean, when I strategy. I cannot look I mean, when I look at Instagram, like it never shows look at Instagram, like it never shows look at Instagram, like it never shows me that crap. Like, it's showing me

1:49me that crap. Like, it's showing me me that crap. Like, it's showing me standup. It's showing me gun videos, standup. It's showing me gun videos, standup. It's showing me gun videos, cars, F1. cars, F1. cars, F1. >> Okay, the last thing I guess I was >> Okay, the last thing I guess I was >> Okay, the last thing I guess I was curious about is is nicotine. That's the curious about is is nicotine. That's the curious about is is nicotine. That's the that's my only real, maybe not my only, that's my only real, maybe not my only, that's my only real, maybe not my only, but one of the devices that I I'm I'm but one of the devices that I I'm I'm but one of the devices that I I'm I'm drawn to and I know there's so much drawn to and I know there's so much drawn to and I know there's so much conflicting research, neutropic, what if conflicting research, neutropic, what if conflicting research, neutropic, what if that even means anything. So, how do you that even means anything. So, how do you that even means anything. So, how do you use nicotine? use nicotine? use nicotine? >> Um, I most days I probably don't except >> Um, I most days I probably don't except >> Um, I most days I probably don't except for the toothpicks, which I love. But, for the toothpicks, which I love. But, for the toothpicks, which I love. But, um, you know, if I do, I'll probably do um, you know, if I do, I'll probably do um, you know, if I do, I'll probably do three three milligram pouch once a day. three three milligram pouch once a day. three three milligram pouch once a day. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> Um the data are I mean obviously you >> Um the data are I mean obviously you >> Um the data are I mean obviously you have to separate tobacco from nicotine. have to separate tobacco from nicotine. have to separate tobacco from nicotine. So tobacco is the problem not nicotine So tobacco is the problem not nicotine So tobacco is the problem not nicotine and most nicotine is synthetic but you and most nicotine is synthetic but you and most nicotine is synthetic but you have to make sure of that. So there's have to make sure of that. So there's have to make sure of that. So there's probably a downside in tobacco derived probably a downside in tobacco derived probably a downside in tobacco derived nicotine even without a combustion nicotine even without a combustion nicotine even without a combustion product. So be mindful of that. So I product. So be mindful of that. So I product. So be mindful of that. So I always tell people kind of make sure always tell people kind of make sure always tell people kind of make sure you're using synthetic tobacco uh pardon you're using synthetic tobacco uh pardon you're using synthetic tobacco uh pardon me synthetic nicotine. Um me synthetic nicotine. Um me synthetic nicotine. Um uh it's it does have high potential for uh it's it does have high potential for uh it's it does have high potential for addiction. So you kind of have to be addiction. So you kind of have to be addiction. So you kind of have to be super careful about that. uh that tends

1:50super careful about that. uh that tends super careful about that. uh that tends to become a bigger issue uh the higher to become a bigger issue uh the higher to become a bigger issue uh the higher the dose goes. So you know if you're the dose goes. So you know if you're the dose goes. So you know if you're keeping it below five six milligrams a keeping it below five six milligrams a keeping it below five six milligrams a day your your potential for um for day your your potential for um for day your your potential for um for dependency is low but you know once dependency is low but you know once dependency is low but you know once you're into the 20 30 milligrams a day you're into the 20 30 milligrams a day you're into the 20 30 milligrams a day your potential for dependency is very your potential for dependency is very your potential for dependency is very high. It can definitely interfere with high. It can definitely interfere with high. It can definitely interfere with sleep. So people doing it later in the sleep. So people doing it later in the sleep. So people doing it later in the day are going to potentially um if not day are going to potentially um if not day are going to potentially um if not likely impede their sleep. What's the likely impede their sleep. What's the likely impede their sleep. What's the halflife for nicotine? halflife for nicotine? halflife for nicotine? >> Um, I should know that and I don't >> Um, I should know that and I don't >> Um, I should know that and I don't remember. Um, remember. Um, remember. Um, >> are we talking six hours, >> are we talking six hours, >> are we talking six hours, two hours? two hours? two hours? >> I did a podcast on this where if >> I did a podcast on this where if >> I did a podcast on this where if someone's interested, they can go back someone's interested, they can go back someone's interested, they can go back and it's kind it was actually kind of and it's kind it was actually kind of and it's kind it was actually kind of recent. It was probably like I mean I recent. It was probably like I mean I recent. It was probably like I mean I recorded it probably six months ago, but recorded it probably six months ago, but recorded it probably six months ago, but it probably came out three months ago. it probably came out three months ago. it probably came out three months ago. Um, Um, >> long enough that I I I wouldn't do it, >> long enough that I I I wouldn't do it, >> long enough that I I I wouldn't do it, you know, I wouldn't do it kind of later you know, I wouldn't do it kind of later you know, I wouldn't do it kind of later in the day if you're struggling with in the day if you're struggling with in the day if you're struggling with sleep. Um, sleep. Um, sleep. Um, you know, there's probably for some you know, there's probably for some

1:51you know, there's probably for some people some short-term cognitive people some short-term cognitive people some short-term cognitive benefit, but it can be offset by the benefit, but it can be offset by the benefit, but it can be offset by the withdrawal as well. withdrawal as well. withdrawal as well. >> Um, it's also an interesting molecule in >> Um, it's also an interesting molecule in >> Um, it's also an interesting molecule in that at at one dose it creates sort of that at at one dose it creates sort of that at at one dose it creates sort of heightened awareness and then as the heightened awareness and then as the heightened awareness and then as the dose gets higher it creates relaxation. dose gets higher it creates relaxation. dose gets higher it creates relaxation. >> So that's in some ways kind of the >> So that's in some ways kind of the >> So that's in some ways kind of the benefit of it. Um, I don't know if you benefit of it. Um, I don't know if you benefit of it. Um, I don't know if you noticed that, but at a certain dose, noticed that, but at a certain dose, noticed that, but at a certain dose, you'll actually It's really calming. Not you'll actually It's really calming. Not you'll actually It's really calming. Not It's not It's not activating. It's quite It's not It's not activating. It's quite It's not It's not activating. It's quite calming, calming, calming, >> but the first I always feel like the >> but the first I always feel like the >> but the first I always feel like the first hit of it is activating really first hit of it is activating really first hit of it is activating really locks you in. I didn't think about it as locks you in. I didn't think about it as locks you in. I didn't think about it as a relaxation a relaxation a relaxation medicine. I don't know if I want to even medicine. I don't know if I want to even medicine. I don't know if I want to even call it medicine. That's interesting. call it medicine. That's interesting. call it medicine. That's interesting. Pretty awesome, this nicotine. Pretty awesome, this nicotine. Pretty awesome, this nicotine. >> It is. It's It's a It's a It's, you >> It is. It's It's a It's a It's, you >> It is. It's It's a It's a It's, you know, I would say it's it's got a know, I would say it's it's got a know, I would say it's it's got a obviously a very very bad rap through obviously a very very bad rap through obviously a very very bad rap through tobacco. tobacco. tobacco. >> Yeah. as it should in that way. But um >> Yeah. as it should in that way. But um >> Yeah. as it should in that way. But um >> I don't know. I I just caution people >> I don't know. I I just caution people >> I don't know. I I just caution people not to go too crazy on it. I think um not to go too crazy on it. I think um not to go too crazy on it. I think um you know, I've got friends that are they you know, I've got friends that are they you know, I've got friends that are they can't get they're taking 30 milligrams can't get they're taking 30 milligrams can't get they're taking 30 milligrams worth of pouches a day and they can't

1:52worth of pouches a day and they can't worth of pouches a day and they can't stop. And so I think in that situation I stop. And so I think in that situation I stop. And so I think in that situation I would I would be concerned. would I would be concerned. would I would be concerned. >> Yeah, that's great. >> Yeah, that's great. >> Yeah, that's great. >> All right. Well, listen, Dr. Aia, we >> All right. Well, listen, Dr. Aia, we >> All right. Well, listen, Dr. Aia, we appreciate you coming here bestowing appreciate you coming here bestowing appreciate you coming here bestowing your boxing knowledge and then some your boxing knowledge and then some your boxing knowledge and then some longevity stuff. Um congratulations on longevity stuff. Um congratulations on longevity stuff. Um congratulations on your New York Times bestselling book. I your New York Times bestselling book. I your New York Times bestselling book. I think it's been on there for like a think it's been on there for like a think it's been on there for like a hundred weeks or something like that. hundred weeks or something like that. hundred weeks or something like that. It's pretty insane. Seems like people It's pretty insane. Seems like people It's pretty insane. Seems like people want to live. want to live. want to live. >> So, uh, we are going to continue tuning >> So, uh, we are going to continue tuning >> So, uh, we are going to continue tuning in. I'm really looking forward to this in. I'm really looking forward to this in. I'm really looking forward to this thing that you're building. I think that thing that you're building. I think that thing that you're building. I think that would be would be would be >> Well, when I'll tell you this, when we >> Well, when I'll tell you this, when we >> Well, when I'll tell you this, when we have it out, we we can talk about it have it out, we we can talk about it have it out, we we can talk about it fully and walk in. fully and walk in. fully and walk in. >> That'd be really cool. But because I >> That'd be really cool. But because I >> That'd be really cool. But because I think it's something that we all need. I think it's something that we all need. I think it's something that we all need. I think one of the scariest things about think one of the scariest things about think one of the scariest things about longevity is knowing what information longevity is knowing what information longevity is knowing what information >> signal to noise. >> signal to noise. >> signal to noise. >> Yes. And uh I think that's the same >> Yes. And uh I think that's the same >> Yes. And uh I think that's the same thing with politics. I think it's the thing with politics. I think it's the thing with politics. I think it's the same thing with god everything. I mean same thing with god everything. I mean same thing with god everything. I mean nutrition especially every day nutrition especially every day nutrition especially every day somebody's telling me something that's somebody's telling me something that's somebody's telling me something that's good and then the next day actually it good and then the next day actually it good and then the next day actually it causes cancer. So you know really what I causes cancer. So you know really what I causes cancer. So you know really what I what I'd like to uh congratulate you on what I'd like to uh congratulate you on what I'd like to uh congratulate you on is it feels like you've been quite is it feels like you've been quite is it feels like you've been quite disciplined. I think there are a lot of

1:53disciplined. I think there are a lot of disciplined. I think there are a lot of people that are in your field. They get people that are in your field. They get people that are in your field. They get a lot of exposure and notoriety and they a lot of exposure and notoriety and they a lot of exposure and notoriety and they very quickly cash in and they stamp um very quickly cash in and they stamp um very quickly cash in and they stamp um some supplement thing and they can make some supplement thing and they can make some supplement thing and they can make you know hundreds of millions of dollars you know hundreds of millions of dollars you know hundreds of millions of dollars on it. But if it's actually [ __ ] on it. But if it's actually [ __ ] on it. But if it's actually [ __ ] that doesn't do anything, maybe we lose that doesn't do anything, maybe we lose that doesn't do anything, maybe we lose trust. And I don't I haven't seen you do trust. And I don't I haven't seen you do trust. And I don't I haven't seen you do that. I'm sure you've been given a that. I'm sure you've been given a that. I'm sure you've been given a million different opportunities to do million different opportunities to do million different opportunities to do that. So I I think that that's really that. So I I think that that's really that. So I I think that that's really cool. And you've chosen to be cool. And you've chosen to be cool. And you've chosen to be disciplined. And because of that, we disciplined. And because of that, we disciplined. And because of that, we trust you. And thank you so much for trust you. And thank you so much for trust you. And thank you so much for sharing your time, my brother. sharing your time, my brother. sharing your time, my brother. >> Thank you for having me, guys. Thank >> Thank you for having me, guys. Thank >> Thank you for having me, guys. Thank you.

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