Optimal Sauna Protocol Healthy Light Myriad Benefits Brian Richards saunaspace
00:00foreign foreign it's an honor to have you on the show I it's an honor to have you on the show I it's an honor to have you on the show I first met you at biohacking Congress a first met you at biohacking Congress a first met you at biohacking Congress a couple months ago that was my first ever couple months ago that was my first ever couple months ago that was my first ever live in-person interview and I'm looking live in-person interview and I'm looking live in-person interview and I'm looking forward to picking up that conversation forward to picking up that conversation forward to picking up that conversation talking more about the practicals the talking more about the practicals the talking more about the practicals the nitty-gritty the science of using sauna nitty-gritty the science of using sauna nitty-gritty the science of using sauna in one's Wellness routine yeah you did a in one's Wellness routine yeah you did a in one's Wellness routine yeah you did a great job for your first time I really great job for your first time I really great job for your first time I really enjoyed that interview it was uh we had enjoyed that interview it was uh we had enjoyed that interview it was uh we had a lot of great a lot of great a lot of great great things we talked about so yeah I'm great things we talked about so yeah I'm great things we talked about so yeah I'm excited to be here thank you for having excited to be here thank you for having excited to be here thank you for having me on yeah well we will warm up again me on yeah well we will warm up again me on yeah well we will warm up again today with the same one as last time and today with the same one as last time and today with the same one as last time and what are the unusual things you've done what are the unusual things you've done what are the unusual things you've done so far today for your health your so far today for your health your so far today for your health your performance and your bioharmony it's performance and your bioharmony it's performance and your bioharmony it's interesting you asked that I do what I interesting you asked that I do what I interesting you asked that I do what I always do I did my sauna this morning always do I did my sauna this morning always do I did my sauna this morning I'm using the seven bulb system now it's I'm using the seven bulb system now it's I'm using the seven bulb system now it's kind of the super upgraded version kind of the super upgraded version kind of the super upgraded version it's just more more stimulating in a
01:00it's just more more stimulating in a it's just more more stimulating in a quicker session so I I start out with quicker session so I I start out with quicker session so I I start out with that and then I had I stopped drinking that and then I had I stopped drinking that and then I had I stopped drinking coffee recently I'm drinking a coffee coffee recently I'm drinking a coffee coffee recently I'm drinking a coffee alternative made of Maya root it's alternative made of Maya root it's alternative made of Maya root it's called genetic called genetic called genetic and I really love that I actually have and I really love that I actually have and I really love that I actually have some right here that I'm drinking again some right here that I'm drinking again some right here that I'm drinking again my second cup today it's alkaline based my second cup today it's alkaline based my second cup today it's alkaline based and it's caffeine free and it looks and and it's caffeine free and it looks and and it's caffeine free and it looks and it walks and talks like coffee but it's it walks and talks like coffee but it's it walks and talks like coffee but it's not coffee and it's not acidic so I love not coffee and it's not acidic so I love not coffee and it's not acidic so I love that change basically it was kind of that change basically it was kind of that change basically it was kind of unusual for me to switch out of caffeine unusual for me to switch out of caffeine unusual for me to switch out of caffeine I'm a definitely a caffeine stick I love I'm a definitely a caffeine stick I love I'm a definitely a caffeine stick I love the stimulation of caffeine so but the stimulation of caffeine so but the stimulation of caffeine so but backing off of that has helped with my backing off of that has helped with my backing off of that has helped with my sleep sleep sleep and just energy levels you know too much and just energy levels you know too much and just energy levels you know too much caffeine too much stimulants too many caffeine too much stimulants too many caffeine too much stimulants too many stimulants not good stimulants not good stimulants not good and then uh in terms of my Harmony and then uh in terms of my Harmony and then uh in terms of my Harmony beyond my basic stuff that I've just beyond my basic stuff that I've just beyond my basic stuff that I've just described I also I recently acquired a I described I also I recently acquired a I described I also I recently acquired a I forget his last name but Craig is the forget his last name but Craig is the forget his last name but Craig is the owner and founder of the in harmony
02:00owner and founder of the in harmony owner and founder of the in harmony um vibration beds and the and the um vibration beds and the and the um vibration beds and the and the cushions it's a meditation cushion that cushions it's a meditation cushion that cushions it's a meditation cushion that they have certain audio tracks that they have certain audio tracks that they have certain audio tracks that they've compiled in their app and they've compiled in their app and they've compiled in their app and basically there's basically there's basically there's there's uh there's vibration pads or or there's uh there's vibration pads or or there's uh there's vibration pads or or whatever they're called inside this whatever they're called inside this whatever they're called inside this cushion that you sit on you sit in Lotus cushion that you sit on you sit in Lotus cushion that you sit on you sit in Lotus pose and and the vibrations are in sync pose and and the vibrations are in sync pose and and the vibrations are in sync with the music that you're listening to with the music that you're listening to with the music that you're listening to and I just got one of those and I did and I just got one of those and I did and I just got one of those and I did that right before this and I I just that right before this and I I just that right before this and I I just started using it a couple times and I started using it a couple times and I started using it a couple times and I really enjoy it uh the the sort of the really enjoy it uh the the sort of the really enjoy it uh the the sort of the the therapeutic benefits of a vibro the therapeutic benefits of a vibro the therapeutic benefits of a vibro acoustic technology and adding that in acoustic technology and adding that in acoustic technology and adding that in you know we're we have all these stimuli you know we're we have all these stimuli you know we're we have all these stimuli you know we have all these sensory you know we have all these sensory you know we have all these sensory organs we love light we're bees of light organs we love light we're bees of light organs we love light we're bees of light we're also we're also we're also beans of sound and the vibration and and beans of sound and the vibration and and beans of sound and the vibration and and sound waves not just light waves so I've sound waves not just light waves so I've sound waves not just light waves so I've Incorporated that recently into my
03:00Incorporated that recently into my Incorporated that recently into my routine and really enjoy it one of my routine and really enjoy it one of my routine and really enjoy it one of my good friends here in Austin actually good friends here in Austin actually good friends here in Austin actually builds those similar things he has a builds those similar things he has a builds those similar things he has a vibration cushion and a sound bed and I vibration cushion and a sound bed and I vibration cushion and a sound bed and I was a bit skeptical the first time I was a bit skeptical the first time I was a bit skeptical the first time I used it but that thing can profoundly used it but that thing can profoundly used it but that thing can profoundly change your state pretty quickly and change your state pretty quickly and change your state pretty quickly and I've talked to Craig before he's a good I've talked to Craig before he's a good I've talked to Craig before he's a good guy trying to educate and inspire all guy trying to educate and inspire all guy trying to educate and inspire all the players in the industry and the players in the industry and the players in the industry and consumers alike yeah he's a real consumers alike yeah he's a real consumers alike yeah he's a real respectable guy I've had the pleasure of respectable guy I've had the pleasure of respectable guy I've had the pleasure of meeting him in a couple different events meeting him in a couple different events meeting him in a couple different events and finally was convinced to try and and finally was convinced to try and and finally was convinced to try and yeah I really enjoy it the I do meditate yeah I really enjoy it the I do meditate yeah I really enjoy it the I do meditate and do breath work in in my sauna and my and do breath work in in my sauna and my and do breath work in in my sauna and my morning sessions but morning sessions but morning sessions but I also enjoyed this outside of the sauna I also enjoyed this outside of the sauna I also enjoyed this outside of the sauna and the vibrational aspect is really and the vibrational aspect is really and the vibrational aspect is really interesting and it's I can feel it interesting and it's I can feel it interesting and it's I can feel it calming my calming my calming my you know call me my nervous system you know call me my nervous system you know call me my nervous system so uh it's a great addition to I have a so uh it's a great addition to I have a so uh it's a great addition to I have a healing room now and I have a lot of healing room now and I have a lot of healing room now and I have a lot of healing Tech in there and and that's healing Tech in there and and that's healing Tech in there and and that's just the latest addition to it
04:00just the latest addition to it just the latest addition to it you can use it either way you can use it you can use it either way you can use it you can use it either way you can use it to calm the nervous system or you can to calm the nervous system or you can to calm the nervous system or you can also use it to fire you up for also use it to fire you up for also use it to fire you up for performance at the same time it's really performance at the same time it's really performance at the same time it's really your choice but I mean a lot of us your choice but I mean a lot of us your choice but I mean a lot of us already have enough stimulation as is so already have enough stimulation as is so already have enough stimulation as is so it makes sense to go the opposite route it makes sense to go the opposite route it makes sense to go the opposite route and enjoy the rest and relaxation and enjoy the rest and relaxation and enjoy the rest and relaxation recovery yeah and they have a lot of recovery yeah and they have a lot of recovery yeah and they have a lot of routines in there apparently for anxiety routines in there apparently for anxiety routines in there apparently for anxiety and and you know feeling you know mood and and you know feeling you know mood and and you know feeling you know mood issues depression and things like that I issues depression and things like that I issues depression and things like that I think it's really relevant to a lot of think it's really relevant to a lot of think it's really relevant to a lot of people so yeah that's the latest and people so yeah that's the latest and people so yeah that's the latest and greatest thing I've added really enjoy greatest thing I've added really enjoy greatest thing I've added really enjoy it yeah so in part one of this it yeah so in part one of this it yeah so in part one of this conversation you gave a explanation a conversation you gave a explanation a conversation you gave a explanation a thorough walkthrough of your history and thorough walkthrough of your history and thorough walkthrough of your history and how you got into sauna usage but for how you got into sauna usage but for how you got into sauna usage but for those that didn't hear the first part those that didn't hear the first part those that didn't hear the first part can you recap how you went how you got can you recap how you went how you got can you recap how you went how you got involved in the sauna industry yeah I involved in the sauna industry yeah I involved in the sauna industry yeah I had my own health problems Nick over 10 had my own health problems Nick over 10 had my own health problems Nick over 10 years ago and I just wanted to look and
05:00years ago and I just wanted to look and years ago and I just wanted to look and feel better like everybody else and so I feel better like everybody else and so I feel better like everybody else and so I was yourself I'm not going to say was yourself I'm not going to say was yourself I'm not going to say selfish I'm going to say self-oriented I selfish I'm going to say self-oriented I selfish I'm going to say self-oriented I was looking for a solution to my own was looking for a solution to my own was looking for a solution to my own health issues they were adrenal fatigue health issues they were adrenal fatigue health issues they were adrenal fatigue related so I added insomnia and mind related so I added insomnia and mind related so I added insomnia and mind racing I had acne on my torso primarily racing I had acne on my torso primarily racing I had acne on my torso primarily and I had brain fog and I was lethargic and I had brain fog and I was lethargic and I had brain fog and I was lethargic and it was a bit of harassable you know and it was a bit of harassable you know and it was a bit of harassable you know kind of just irritable and kind of just irritable and kind of just irritable and it's kind of this a a nebulous array of it's kind of this a a nebulous array of it's kind of this a a nebulous array of symptoms they call adrenal fatigue when symptoms they call adrenal fatigue when symptoms they call adrenal fatigue when the bodies just kind of worn out it's the bodies just kind of worn out it's the bodies just kind of worn out it's too stressed out it's not getting its too stressed out it's not getting its too stressed out it's not getting its recovery not in sleep and not in the recovery not in sleep and not in the recovery not in sleep and not in the normal course of the day so normal course of the day so normal course of the day so I got recommended to say Accutane didn't I got recommended to say Accutane didn't I got recommended to say Accutane didn't want to take that that's a drug that's want to take that that's a drug that's want to take that that's a drug that's been taken off the market now it's got a been taken off the market now it's got a been taken off the market now it's got a lot of issues with it that was just a lot of issues with it that was just a lot of issues with it that was just a kind of an aha moment oh I'm not going kind of an aha moment oh I'm not going kind of an aha moment oh I'm not going to take pharmaceutical drugs I want to to take pharmaceutical drugs I want to to take pharmaceutical drugs I want to attack the root cause of this issue attack the root cause of this issue attack the root cause of this issue and so I went online and during my and so I went online and during my and so I went online and during my research I kept finding sauna and this
06:00research I kept finding sauna and this research I kept finding sauna and this idea of purifying the body that perhaps idea of purifying the body that perhaps idea of purifying the body that perhaps the root cause of disease or one of the the root cause of disease or one of the the root cause of disease or one of the biggest contributing factors is poison biggest contributing factors is poison biggest contributing factors is poison environmental poison of some kind and environmental poison of some kind and environmental poison of some kind and and the inability of the body to process and the inability of the body to process and the inability of the body to process that poison whether it's stress or that poison whether it's stress or that poison whether it's stress or chemical or electromagnetic or chemical or electromagnetic or chemical or electromagnetic or they're energetic they're emotional as they're energetic they're emotional as they're energetic they're emotional as well there's so many different things well there's so many different things well there's so many different things but if the Temple's dirty you know it but if the Temple's dirty you know it but if the Temple's dirty you know it you know if the car is dirty the analogy you know if the car is dirty the analogy you know if the car is dirty the analogy of the car is the best if the car is of the car is the best if the car is of the car is the best if the car is really dirty not only does it not really dirty not only does it not really dirty not only does it not perform well but when it's really dirty perform well but when it's really dirty perform well but when it's really dirty when you throw a little more mud on it when you throw a little more mud on it when you throw a little more mud on it you don't even notice I you don't even notice I you don't even notice I also found it interesting that every also found it interesting that every also found it interesting that every human culture has a sauna tradition of human culture has a sauna tradition of human culture has a sauna tradition of some kind like dating back thousands of some kind like dating back thousands of some kind like dating back thousands of years across the world from from the years across the world from from the years across the world from from the Irish you know that Irish little sauna Irish you know that Irish little sauna Irish you know that Irish little sauna caves to the Turkish hamams to the of caves to the Turkish hamams to the of caves to the Turkish hamams to the of course the Scandinavian sauna but in the course the Scandinavian sauna but in the course the Scandinavian sauna but in the east as well the Japanese hot pools and east as well the Japanese hot pools and east as well the Japanese hot pools and Korean Hot pools and uh in in the Native
07:00Korean Hot pools and uh in in the Native Korean Hot pools and uh in in the Native American culture and South American American culture and South American American culture and South American Indian culture Indian culture Indian culture the the sweat lodges and and this is the the sweat lodges and and this is the the sweat lodges and and this is across the board across the world so you across the board across the world so you across the board across the world so you see a parallel evolution of of sauna and see a parallel evolution of of sauna and see a parallel evolution of of sauna and the use of of he which is really the use of of he which is really the use of of he which is really mimicking mimicking mimicking our experience with the sun and and and our experience with the sun and and and our experience with the sun and and and the you know this Helio therapy we the you know this Helio therapy we the you know this Helio therapy we eventually we made our own fire and then eventually we made our own fire and then eventually we made our own fire and then we figured out oh wow if we if we heat we figured out oh wow if we if we heat we figured out oh wow if we if we heat our bodies up in the sustained fashion our bodies up in the sustained fashion our bodies up in the sustained fashion uh we have some serious benefits that uh we have some serious benefits that uh we have some serious benefits that are going on here so I saw the modern are going on here so I saw the modern are going on here so I saw the modern research indicating that Sana has all research indicating that Sana has all research indicating that Sana has all these amazing health benefits reducing these amazing health benefits reducing these amazing health benefits reducing your risk of dying of all things your risk of dying of all things your risk of dying of all things and then the ancestral wisdom were in and then the ancestral wisdom were in and then the ancestral wisdom were in sync so I said okay I want to definitely sync so I said okay I want to definitely sync so I said okay I want to definitely want to try this and at the end of my want to try this and at the end of my want to try this and at the end of my research I found Dr Kellogg's research I found Dr Kellogg's research I found Dr Kellogg's electrified bath electrified bath electrified bath so that's the sauna that I do it's it's so that's the sauna that I do it's it's so that's the sauna that I do it's it's an incandescent light bulb powered sauna an incandescent light bulb powered sauna an incandescent light bulb powered sauna it's a very different technology from it's a very different technology from it's a very different technology from the uh all the standard infrared saunas the uh all the standard infrared saunas the uh all the standard infrared saunas that are out there and the finished that are out there and the finished that are out there and the finished saunas and the wood fire you know asanas
08:00saunas and the wood fire you know asanas saunas and the wood fire you know asanas of old and the sweats and the sweat of old and the sweats and the sweat of old and the sweats and the sweat tents it's it's using the incandescent tents it's it's using the incandescent tents it's it's using the incandescent heat lamp light bulb uh it turns out heat lamp light bulb uh it turns out heat lamp light bulb uh it turns out that he invented this like 130 years ago that he invented this like 130 years ago that he invented this like 130 years ago and this is the original electrically and this is the original electrically and this is the original electrically powered sauna and has 130 years of safe powered sauna and has 130 years of safe powered sauna and has 130 years of safe use testing and his uh use testing and his uh use testing and his uh um his robust Research into the use of um his robust Research into the use of um his robust Research into the use of the electric light bath for healing the electric light bath for healing the electric light bath for healing chronic illness is well documented in chronic illness is well documented in chronic illness is well documented in his book light Therapeutics he posted in his book light Therapeutics he posted in his book light Therapeutics he posted in 1910 you can read it online it's got he 1910 you can read it online it's got he 1910 you can read it online it's got he studied he had like over 200 000 studied he had like over 200 000 studied he had like over 200 000 documented sauna sessions and in documented sauna sessions and in documented sauna sessions and in thousands tens of thousands of patients thousands tens of thousands of patients thousands tens of thousands of patients so this dude was incredible and and and so this dude was incredible and and and so this dude was incredible and and and uh and all of this was kind of lost in uh and all of this was kind of lost in uh and all of this was kind of lost in time time time but I found this and so I found a modern but I found this and so I found a modern but I found this and so I found a modern doctor's rendition of this concept of doctor's rendition of this concept of doctor's rendition of this concept of the electric light bath I build my own the electric light bath I build my own the electric light bath I build my own and I used it a couple times and right and I used it a couple times and right and I used it a couple times and right before bed and it I used it right before before bed and it I used it right before before bed and it I used it right before bed and I slept well
09:00bed and I slept well bed and I slept well and then the next day I used it right and then the next day I used it right and then the next day I used it right before bed and I again after showering before bed and I again after showering before bed and I again after showering off and so forth went right to bed and off and so forth went right to bed and off and so forth went right to bed and and slept amazing and I realized I and slept amazing and I realized I and slept amazing and I realized I didn't have insomnia anymore and it was didn't have insomnia anymore and it was didn't have insomnia anymore and it was like a couple sessions that that was I like a couple sessions that that was I like a couple sessions that that was I was like boom was like boom was like boom and that really intrigued me and that really intrigued me and that really intrigued me and and was the impetus to continue to and and was the impetus to continue to and and was the impetus to continue to use the product with discipline for six use the product with discipline for six use the product with discipline for six months months months at which point all of the problems I had at which point all of the problems I had at which point all of the problems I had kind of went away all the adrenal kind of went away all the adrenal kind of went away all the adrenal fatigue and the acne and fatigue and the acne and fatigue and the acne and my energy levels were different like my my energy levels were different like my my energy levels were different like my whole qualitative you know state was whole qualitative you know state was whole qualitative you know state was different different different and I was looking and feeling better you and I was looking and feeling better you and I was looking and feeling better you know this was and I was like wow know this was and I was like wow know this was and I was like wow where is this product where is this product where is this product why why can't you buy an electric light why why can't you buy an electric light why why can't you buy an electric light bath and and that was 10 years ago bath and and that was 10 years ago bath and and that was 10 years ago so I know now that it took a lot of um so I know now that it took a lot of um so I know now that it took a lot of um dedication and love and disciplines and dedication and love and disciplines and dedication and love and disciplines and develop what my company offers today
10:00develop what my company offers today develop what my company offers today but uh it's definitely but uh it's definitely but uh it's definitely it changed my life and that's why I it changed my life and that's why I it changed my life and that's why I started the company I was originally started the company I was originally started the company I was originally doing rental real estate I was fixing up doing rental real estate I was fixing up doing rental real estate I was fixing up houses and stuff but I shifted into this houses and stuff but I shifted into this houses and stuff but I shifted into this as it was my calling I was doing as it was my calling I was doing as it was my calling I was doing something all of a sudden that I was something all of a sudden that I was something all of a sudden that I was transforming people's lives and they're transforming people's lives and they're transforming people's lives and they're feeling better with this product that feeling better with this product that feeling better with this product that uh you know I'm making with love and uh you know I'm making with love and uh you know I'm making with love and producing this light and sending it out producing this light and sending it out producing this light and sending it out across the world and and it just was across the world and and it just was across the world and and it just was this huge uh of sort of career emotional this huge uh of sort of career emotional this huge uh of sort of career emotional spiritual shift for me and there was spiritual shift for me and there was spiritual shift for me and there was definitely a lot of struggles along the definitely a lot of struggles along the definitely a lot of struggles along the way but it it a call to be and I pursued way but it it a call to be and I pursued way but it it a call to be and I pursued it uh in Earnest and and built it uh in Earnest and and built it uh in Earnest and and built um um um you know the product line and the you know the product line and the you know the product line and the company and it's all still handmade here company and it's all still handmade here company and it's all still handmade here in the USA and it's the way I wanted it in the USA and it's the way I wanted it in the USA and it's the way I wanted it basically like eight years ago and it it basically like eight years ago and it it basically like eight years ago and it it took four or five years to get very took four or five years to get very took four or five years to get very close to or get you know sort of to close to or get you know sort of to close to or get you know sort of to where we are now in terms of product where we are now in terms of product where we are now in terms of product offering and product experience but
11:00offering and product experience but offering and product experience but it's still to this day even though we're it's still to this day even though we're it's still to this day even though we're more and more mainstream than ever you more and more mainstream than ever you more and more mainstream than ever you know still a lot of people don't know know still a lot of people don't know know still a lot of people don't know about incandescent light and electric about incandescent light and electric about incandescent light and electric light bass and it's option as a sauna light bass and it's option as a sauna light bass and it's option as a sauna even though it is mentioned in even though it is mentioned in even though it is mentioned in as a legit sauna technology in the as a legit sauna technology in the as a legit sauna technology in the there's that review article last year by there's that review article last year by there's that review article last year by Dr Rhonda Patrick uh the Dr Rhonda Patrick uh the Dr Rhonda Patrick uh the the studying lifestyle or the it's like the studying lifestyle or the it's like the studying lifestyle or the it's like the health span extension benefits of the health span extension benefits of the health span extension benefits of regular sauna use it's something like regular sauna use it's something like regular sauna use it's something like that you know I can I can send it to you that you know I can I can send it to you that you know I can I can send it to you afterwards but it's a seminal afterwards but it's a seminal afterwards but it's a seminal summarizing article on summarizing article on summarizing article on the benefits in the literature the benefits in the literature the benefits in the literature um from long-term cohort studies on um from long-term cohort studies on um from long-term cohort studies on using Asana what does it do for your using Asana what does it do for your using Asana what does it do for your your body and it basically reduces your your body and it basically reduces your your body and it basically reduces your risk of dying of all things and it risk of dying of all things and it risk of dying of all things and it reduces your risk of dementia those are reduces your risk of dementia those are reduces your risk of dementia those are the two main outcomes that are the two main outcomes that are the two main outcomes that are incredible and that's like the only incredible and that's like the only incredible and that's like the only known therapeutic that does that known therapeutic that does that known therapeutic that does that and and and this is just another Asana option what's
12:00this is just another Asana option what's this is just another Asana option what's intriguing about it is it's not only intriguing about it is it's not only intriguing about it is it's not only just a legit it's not option it it's uh just a legit it's not option it it's uh just a legit it's not option it it's uh it's the most efficient one it's the most efficient one it's the most efficient one it's heating you up the quickest it's heating you up the quickest it's heating you up the quickest producing the outcomes that we want producing the outcomes that we want producing the outcomes that we want which I think was your question that we which I think was your question that we which I think was your question that we should talk about like how do I should talk about like how do I should talk about like how do I practically do sauna how do I get the practically do sauna how do I get the practically do sauna how do I get the results that are purported to be gotten results that are purported to be gotten results that are purported to be gotten in the literature the benefits in the literature the benefits in the literature the benefits and and um and then what's also really um and then what's also really um and then what's also really intriguing about the electric light bath intriguing about the electric light bath intriguing about the electric light bath is its light so we're doing red light is its light so we're doing red light is its light so we're doing red light therapy with near infrared light which therapy with near infrared light which therapy with near infrared light which penetrates really deeply so we're doing penetrates really deeply so we're doing penetrates really deeply so we're doing what's also known as mitochondrial what's also known as mitochondrial what's also known as mitochondrial stimulation stimulation stimulation and we're stacking it on top of the and we're stacking it on top of the and we're stacking it on top of the sonotherapy with with definitely a sonotherapy with with definitely a sonotherapy with with definitely a synergistic uh synergistic uh synergistic uh a Synergy of results of outcomes of the a Synergy of results of outcomes of the a Synergy of results of outcomes of the both therapies together both therapies together both therapies together and so it's kind of like a no-brainer and so it's kind of like a no-brainer and so it's kind of like a no-brainer why not do it this way so it's it's even why not do it this way so it's it's even why not do it this way so it's it's even though it's a we're a new product in though it's a we're a new product in though it's a we're a new product in you know uh the sauna industry in terms you know uh the sauna industry in terms you know uh the sauna industry in terms of being only 10 years old and some of
13:00of being only 10 years old and some of of being only 10 years old and some of these other companies or other products these other companies or other products these other companies or other products being around for decades the technology being around for decades the technology being around for decades the technology itself was actually the first itself was actually the first itself was actually the first electrically powered sauna technology electrically powered sauna technology electrically powered sauna technology and we've just brought it back and we've and we've just brought it back and we've and we've just brought it back and we've um sort of updated with a lot of modern um sort of updated with a lot of modern um sort of updated with a lot of modern design principles and safe design design principles and safe design design principles and safe design principles and dealing with principles and dealing with principles and dealing with electromagnetic stress issues and other electromagnetic stress issues and other electromagnetic stress issues and other just purpose-driven designs to make it just purpose-driven designs to make it just purpose-driven designs to make it an actual consumer product an actual consumer product an actual consumer product I didn't realize this was the first I didn't realize this was the first I didn't realize this was the first modern electrical light bath ever modern electrical light bath ever modern electrical light bath ever created yeah so LEDs you know were created yeah so LEDs you know were created yeah so LEDs you know were invented in invented in invented in I don't know I don't know I don't know less than 50 years ago probably uh that less than 50 years ago probably uh that less than 50 years ago probably uh that it was it was first in terms of it was it was first in terms of it was it was first in terms of excluding the well if we include the excluding the well if we include the excluding the well if we include the light bath there's first of the wood light bath there's first of the wood light bath there's first of the wood fired saunas and the sweat lodges that fired saunas and the sweat lodges that fired saunas and the sweat lodges that are just not powered with any are just not powered with any are just not powered with any electricity electricity electricity and then there's the and that's prior to and then there's the and that's prior to and then there's the and that's prior to 1891 and then in 1891 there's the 1891 and then in 1891 there's the 1891 and then in 1891 there's the electric light back in the and the electric light back in the and the electric light back in the and the electric Arc Light bath as well electric Arc Light bath as well electric Arc Light bath as well the first electrically powered
14:00the first electrically powered the first electrically powered sauna uh Concepts Technologies sauna uh Concepts Technologies sauna uh Concepts Technologies and then after that you have and then after that you have and then after that you have the sort of Hot Rocks electrical coil the sort of Hot Rocks electrical coil the sort of Hot Rocks electrical coil sauna that you put the hot rocks on sauna that you put the hot rocks on sauna that you put the hot rocks on that's kind of like an electric finish that's kind of like an electric finish that's kind of like an electric finish sauna sauna sauna and then in the in the 60s the there's and then in the in the 60s the there's and then in the in the 60s the there's the invention of the farm for red the invention of the farm for red the invention of the farm for red ceramic emitter the long two that emits ceramic emitter the long two that emits ceramic emitter the long two that emits far infrared wavelengths far infrared wavelengths far infrared wavelengths and so the far Freight sauna start out and so the far Freight sauna start out and so the far Freight sauna start out you know come out at that point and then you know come out at that point and then you know come out at that point and then later you have the more modern uh carbon later you have the more modern uh carbon later you have the more modern uh carbon panels far Freight emitters that are panels far Freight emitters that are panels far Freight emitters that are invented invented invented and then and that's sort of kind of and then and that's sort of kind of and then and that's sort of kind of where we're at today where you yes where we're at today where you yes where we're at today where you yes there's there's newer iterations of it there's there's newer iterations of it there's there's newer iterations of it but those are basically the the but those are basically the the but those are basically the the Technologies and somewhere along the way Technologies and somewhere along the way Technologies and somewhere along the way LEDs were invented LEDs were invented LEDs were invented you know and uh you know 50 67 years ago you know and uh you know 50 67 years ago you know and uh you know 50 67 years ago or whatever and then there was a lot of or whatever and then there was a lot of or whatever and then there was a lot of studies most of the live therapy studies studies most of the live therapy studies studies most of the live therapy studies are indeed conducted with LEDs although are indeed conducted with LEDs although are indeed conducted with LEDs although not all of them at all definitely not all of them at all definitely not all of them at all definitely there's some with with the sun with there's some with with the sun with there's some with with the sun with fluorescent bulbs with incandescent fluorescent bulbs with incandescent fluorescent bulbs with incandescent light bulbs
15:00light bulbs light bulbs uh but the original source of light uh but the original source of light uh but the original source of light in the universe as the sun and in our in in the universe as the sun and in our in in the universe as the sun and in our in our experience in the sun and the Sun is our experience in the sun and the Sun is our experience in the sun and the Sun is an incandescent light source and we use an incandescent light source and we use an incandescent light source and we use the word incandescence because it's the the word incandescence because it's the the word incandescence because it's the the the the the the sort of physical nature of how the the sort of physical nature of how the the sort of physical nature of how the light is produced the light is produced the light is produced the light is you heat up a material the light is you heat up a material the light is you heat up a material really hot in nature and it emits light really hot in nature and it emits light really hot in nature and it emits light naturally naturally naturally and so the sun does that at a very hot and so the sun does that at a very hot and so the sun does that at a very hot temperature the incandescent light bulbs temperature the incandescent light bulbs temperature the incandescent light bulbs tungsten filament also does that at a tungsten filament also does that at a tungsten filament also does that at a very hot temperature and it produces very hot temperature and it produces very hot temperature and it produces broad spectrum broad spectrum broad spectrum analog light so it's light with a lot of analog light so it's light with a lot of analog light so it's light with a lot of visible light and a lot of infrared visible light and a lot of infrared visible light and a lot of infrared light and it's all the wavelengths in a light and it's all the wavelengths in a light and it's all the wavelengths in a natural power curve that I would call natural power curve that I would call natural power curve that I would call Nature's light analog light as opposed Nature's light analog light as opposed Nature's light analog light as opposed to to to these modern light sources like these modern light sources like these modern light sources like fluorescent light and LED light is fluorescent light and LED light is fluorescent light and LED light is Digital Light it's step wise where you Digital Light it's step wise where you Digital Light it's step wise where you have light in certain wavelength have light in certain wavelength have light in certain wavelength concentrations but you don't have a concentrations but you don't have a concentrations but you don't have a continuous emission
16:00continuous emission continuous emission of of wavelengths and that changes not of of wavelengths and that changes not of of wavelengths and that changes not just the the way the light looks and and just the the way the light looks and and just the the way the light looks and and but the way the light is is perceived by but the way the light is is perceived by but the way the light is is perceived by the body the qualitative nature of the the body the qualitative nature of the the body the qualitative nature of the light and so this is is more like the light and so this is is more like the light and so this is is more like the Fire Light you could decimalize stuff Fire Light you could decimalize stuff Fire Light you could decimalize stuff like the fire light so our song is more like the fire light so our song is more like the fire light so our song is more like a fire lights on it feels it feels like a fire lights on it feels it feels like a fire lights on it feels it feels like that it feels like being in front like that it feels like being in front like that it feels like being in front of the fire of the fire of the fire whereas some of these other songs just whereas some of these other songs just whereas some of these other songs just feel like feel like feel like they feel like you're inside of a hot they feel like you're inside of a hot they feel like you're inside of a hot room room room and you get there's definitely some and you get there's definitely some and you get there's definitely some benefit to that but benefit to that but benefit to that but um not nearly the benefit you get from um not nearly the benefit you get from um not nearly the benefit you get from adding in the light therapy and the adding in the light therapy and the adding in the light therapy and the qualitative benefit of the Fire Light qualitative benefit of the Fire Light qualitative benefit of the Fire Light it's it's something that's really joyful it's it's something that's really joyful it's it's something that's really joyful that makes you feel good that makes you feel good that makes you feel good in addition to you know achieving the in addition to you know achieving the in addition to you know achieving the benefits of sauna yeah you had just benefits of sauna yeah you had just benefits of sauna yeah you had just coined the term firelight sauna when I coined the term firelight sauna when I coined the term firelight sauna when I met you and now I'm curious because met you and now I'm curious because met you and now I'm curious because before we move on to the benefits of before we move on to the benefits of before we move on to the benefits of sauna specifically I'm curious about
17:00sauna specifically I'm curious about sauna specifically I'm curious about your lighting environment in the house your lighting environment in the house your lighting environment in the house do you have mostly incandescent bulbs do you have mostly incandescent bulbs do you have mostly incandescent bulbs around the house instead of LEDs or around the house instead of LEDs or around the house instead of LEDs or maybe halogen how do you approach that maybe halogen how do you approach that maybe halogen how do you approach that because it's one thing to do a dedicated because it's one thing to do a dedicated because it's one thing to do a dedicated session every day or a couple times a session every day or a couple times a session every day or a couple times a week and it's another to be constantly week and it's another to be constantly week and it's another to be constantly exposed and bombarded by these digital exposed and bombarded by these digital exposed and bombarded by these digital lights that have a very different lights that have a very different lights that have a very different Spectrum different wavelengths than we Spectrum different wavelengths than we Spectrum different wavelengths than we would get when we were Outdoors would get when we were Outdoors would get when we were Outdoors typically yeah that's an absolutely fair typically yeah that's an absolutely fair typically yeah that's an absolutely fair question I question I question I work at the computer a lot and I use LED work at the computer a lot and I use LED work at the computer a lot and I use LED screens so I'm using blue light filters screens so I'm using blue light filters screens so I'm using blue light filters I use night shift on apples OS and I I use night shift on apples OS and I I use night shift on apples OS and I also use an app called flux to reduce also use an app called flux to reduce also use an app called flux to reduce the amount of blue light so the screen the amount of blue light so the screen the amount of blue light so the screen is more like red and brown is more like red and brown is more like red and brown but the amount of blue light coming out but the amount of blue light coming out but the amount of blue light coming out of the screen affecting me is is is of the screen affecting me is is is of the screen affecting me is is is quite a bit uh reduced quite a bit uh reduced quite a bit uh reduced um but the problem is yes I have to work um but the problem is yes I have to work um but the problem is yes I have to work with the computer and actually where you with the computer and actually where you with the computer and actually where you find me now is my
18:00find me now is my find me now is my um this is my Dallas working office and um this is my Dallas working office and um this is my Dallas working office and it's a it's a leased office so all the it's a it's a leased office so all the it's a it's a leased office so all the light in it is built in it's all LED light in it is built in it's all LED light in it is built in it's all LED so this is I'm in a situation just as I so this is I'm in a situation just as I so this is I'm in a situation just as I recorded with you here that many many recorded with you here that many many recorded with you here that many many maybe most people are in nowadays where maybe most people are in nowadays where maybe most people are in nowadays where they're they're kind of stuck with this they're they're kind of stuck with this they're they're kind of stuck with this built-in LED lighting or fluorescent built-in LED lighting or fluorescent built-in LED lighting or fluorescent lighting that's difficult or lighting that's difficult or lighting that's difficult or unmanageable to change out unmanageable to change out unmanageable to change out um if you can yes incandescent light um if you can yes incandescent light um if you can yes incandescent light bulbs are great if you have a socket bulbs are great if you have a socket bulbs are great if you have a socket that you can screw in that you can screw in that you can screw in if you have all this built-in stuff or if you have all this built-in stuff or if you have all this built-in stuff or even if you don't even if you don't even if you don't um the real solution is to correct the um the real solution is to correct the um the real solution is to correct the lighting environment by bringing the lighting environment by bringing the lighting environment by bringing the firelight Spectrum into the indoor space firelight Spectrum into the indoor space firelight Spectrum into the indoor space so in in in my apartment here I have so in in in my apartment here I have so in in in my apartment here I have like four or five photons I have in one like four or five photons I have in one like four or five photons I have in one in my bedroom in my bedroom in my bedroom I'm working with one right now it's just I'm working with one right now it's just I'm working with one right now it's just off the camera and there's one in my off the camera and there's one in my off the camera and there's one in my healing room and there's one in the healing room and there's one in the healing room and there's one in the living room so that living room so that living room so that especially after dark Nick so during the especially after dark Nick so during the especially after dark Nick so during the day there's you know and some LED light
19:00day there's you know and some LED light day there's you know and some LED light is fine it's visible light and we're is fine it's visible light and we're is fine it's visible light and we're designed to get blue and visible light designed to get blue and visible light designed to get blue and visible light spectrums during the day but after spectrums during the day but after spectrums during the day but after Sunset we really want to cut back on Sunset we really want to cut back on Sunset we really want to cut back on that and not just the screens but the that and not just the screens but the that and not just the screens but the overhead lighting that you've indicated overhead lighting that you've indicated overhead lighting that you've indicated so especially after dark I tried to just so especially after dark I tried to just so especially after dark I tried to just have only the light of of the photon have only the light of of the photon have only the light of of the photon which is the firelight Spectrum that's which is the firelight Spectrum that's which is the firelight Spectrum that's the that's the one bowl uh portable the that's the one bowl uh portable the that's the one bowl uh portable light that that we offer light that that we offer light that that we offer um and I I primarily rely on that but um and I I primarily rely on that but um and I I primarily rely on that but what's cool about it is you can have what's cool about it is you can have what's cool about it is you can have some LED light on you can have some some LED light on you can have some some LED light on you can have some visible blue light on and the the light visible blue light on and the the light visible blue light on and the the light spectrum of this bowl will cancel out spectrum of this bowl will cancel out spectrum of this bowl will cancel out the measurable blue light the measurable blue light the measurable blue light and I can you can see that on our and I can you can see that on our and I can you can see that on our Instagram like you can measure with a Instagram like you can measure with a Instagram like you can measure with a light meter from the screen for example light meter from the screen for example light meter from the screen for example from this computer screen the blue light from this computer screen the blue light from this computer screen the blue light emission and then you bring you turn the emission and then you bring you turn the emission and then you bring you turn the photon in some proximity to the space photon in some proximity to the space photon in some proximity to the space and you see the measurable blue light and you see the measurable blue light and you see the measurable blue light drop to like zero and that's because drop to like zero and that's because drop to like zero and that's because it's being overwhelmed by this by this
20:00it's being overwhelmed by this by this it's being overwhelmed by this by this infrared mostly infrared but red light infrared mostly infrared but red light infrared mostly infrared but red light is coming off the bulb so you can is coming off the bulb so you can is coming off the bulb so you can basically use the firelight Spectrum to basically use the firelight Spectrum to basically use the firelight Spectrum to uh from from my bowl from this thermal uh from from my bowl from this thermal uh from from my bowl from this thermal label to cancel out label to cancel out label to cancel out and reduce the effect of blue light and reduce the effect of blue light and reduce the effect of blue light indoors that you're stuck with and and indoors that you're stuck with and and indoors that you're stuck with and and it's not something where you're building it's not something where you're building it's not something where you're building it in and where you can't change the it in and where you can't change the it in and where you can't change the built-in fixtures hey you can bring the built-in fixtures hey you can bring the built-in fixtures hey you can bring the Fire Light in and both Fire Light in and both Fire Light in and both have a benefit from the light therapy have a benefit from the light therapy have a benefit from the light therapy itself and the and the heat as well but itself and the and the heat as well but itself and the and the heat as well but also improve the lighting environment also improve the lighting environment also improve the lighting environment itself for human use indoors itself for human use indoors itself for human use indoors yeah I like that Brian because it is a yeah I like that Brian because it is a yeah I like that Brian because it is a perfect example of employing the perfect example of employing the perfect example of employing the principles of bioharmony to make a principles of bioharmony to make a principles of bioharmony to make a modern convenient lifestyle more modern convenient lifestyle more modern convenient lifestyle more compatible with our own biology oh yeah compatible with our own biology oh yeah compatible with our own biology oh yeah oh yeah it's it's and that's what we're oh yeah it's it's and that's what we're oh yeah it's it's and that's what we're doing when we're biohacking you know doing when we're biohacking you know doing when we're biohacking you know we're we're we're we're it's bio-harmony it's probably a we're it's bio-harmony it's probably a we're it's bio-harmony it's probably a more elegant term for it for sure it's
21:00more elegant term for it for sure it's more elegant term for it for sure it's it's recognizing we're in a very it's recognizing we're in a very it's recognizing we're in a very synthetic environment and our bodies are synthetic environment and our bodies are synthetic environment and our bodies are in harmony with in harmony with in harmony with are what our ancestral environment was are what our ancestral environment was are what our ancestral environment was and how do we and we can't escape that and how do we and we can't escape that and how do we and we can't escape that we want to live in the modern world we we want to live in the modern world we we want to live in the modern world we want to benefit from all this some of want to benefit from all this some of want to benefit from all this some of these amazing aspects of modern life these amazing aspects of modern life these amazing aspects of modern life how do we how do we do little tweaks to how do we how do we do little tweaks to how do we how do we do little tweaks to our modern environment to make it more our modern environment to make it more our modern environment to make it more like the ancestral one and Light like the ancestral one and Light like the ancestral one and Light light's probably one of the most light's probably one of the most light's probably one of the most overlooked things overlooked things overlooked things I think people are paying attention to I think people are paying attention to I think people are paying attention to diet now and to water but light is a diet now and to water but light is a diet now and to water but light is a tricky one tricky one tricky one and it's it's we don't want blue light and it's it's we don't want blue light and it's it's we don't want blue light after Dark after Dark after Dark and and um but we do want some during the day um but we do want some during the day um but we do want some during the day but but but when we're talking about blue light when we're talking about blue light when we're talking about blue light during the day it's coming from the sun during the day it's coming from the sun during the day it's coming from the sun it's not blue light of screens that's it's not blue light of screens that's it's not blue light of screens that's like super beneficial during the day like super beneficial during the day like super beneficial during the day it's the blue light of the sun and the it's the blue light of the sun and the it's the blue light of the sun and the Sun is 70 in terms of photons per second Sun is 70 in terms of photons per second Sun is 70 in terms of photons per second the sun is 70 near infrared so we're out
22:00the sun is 70 near infrared so we're out the sun is 70 near infrared so we're out there getting some blue lights of there getting some blue lights of there getting some blue lights of ultraviolet light from the sun we're ultraviolet light from the sun we're ultraviolet light from the sun we're getting primarily getting primarily getting primarily this healing near infrared light that this healing near infrared light that this healing near infrared light that simulates mitochondrial healing and simulates mitochondrial healing and simulates mitochondrial healing and melatonin production and various other melatonin production and various other melatonin production and various other healing biological Pathways in every healing biological Pathways in every healing biological Pathways in every cell of the body cell of the body cell of the body it's the Sun that is is what we're it's the Sun that is is what we're it's the Sun that is is what we're missing definitely missing definitely missing definitely all day long it's like a number one all day long it's like a number one all day long it's like a number one thing but if we can't get out there then thing but if we can't get out there then thing but if we can't get out there then and and we we have indoor jobs you know and and we we have indoor jobs you know and and we we have indoor jobs you know we're working in front of the computer we're working in front of the computer we're working in front of the computer then at least we can incorporate as much then at least we can incorporate as much then at least we can incorporate as much as possible this this fire light as possible this this fire light as possible this this fire light spectrum into our daily lives and and spectrum into our daily lives and and spectrum into our daily lives and and certainly the sauna is a great way certainly the sauna is a great way certainly the sauna is a great way the sauna has its own benefits so we the sauna has its own benefits so we the sauna has its own benefits so we need to talk about but it's also great need to talk about but it's also great need to talk about but it's also great in the morning to give you that near in the morning to give you that near in the morning to give you that near infrared light dose in my sauna anyway infrared light dose in my sauna anyway infrared light dose in my sauna anyway the sauna space sauna 2 to program the the sauna space sauna 2 to program the the sauna space sauna 2 to program the brain and the eyes for the day by giving
23:00brain and the eyes for the day by giving brain and the eyes for the day by giving it the the sunrise sort of the it the the sunrise sort of the it the the sunrise sort of the acne-hotra sunrise acne-hotra sunrise acne-hotra sunrise um near Fred light stimulus first before um near Fred light stimulus first before um near Fred light stimulus first before it starts to get a lot of blue light and it starts to get a lot of blue light and it starts to get a lot of blue light and ultraviolet light because that's the way ultraviolet light because that's the way ultraviolet light because that's the way the light spectrum would change the light spectrum would change the light spectrum would change throughout the day in the morning it'd throughout the day in the morning it'd throughout the day in the morning it'd be predominantly near infrared and then be predominantly near infrared and then be predominantly near infrared and then as you approach solar noon it becomes as you approach solar noon it becomes as you approach solar noon it becomes more blue more UV and UV is also more blue more UV and UV is also more blue more UV and UV is also demonized but it has all kinds of demonized but it has all kinds of demonized but it has all kinds of benefits from hormonal Health to pain benefits from hormonal Health to pain benefits from hormonal Health to pain reduction to immunity all kinds of reduction to immunity all kinds of reduction to immunity all kinds of things in the right dose and then again things in the right dose and then again things in the right dose and then again towards the evening it the Spectrum towards the evening it the Spectrum towards the evening it the Spectrum shifts back again towards the the red shifts back again towards the the red shifts back again towards the the red light light light yeah so we can we can kind of mimic that yeah so we can we can kind of mimic that yeah so we can we can kind of mimic that indoors with the use of of the Fire indoors with the use of of the Fire indoors with the use of of the Fire Light Light Light um certainly the sun's best but um what's also nice about the sauna is um what's also nice about the sauna is that depending on your environment if that depending on your environment if that depending on your environment if it's really cold outside if it's cloudy it's really cold outside if it's cloudy it's really cold outside if it's cloudy out uh or it's it's such that you can't out uh or it's it's such that you can't out uh or it's it's such that you can't really take your shirt off you're not
24:00really take your shirt off you're not really take your shirt off you're not getting that photobiomodulation benefit getting that photobiomodulation benefit getting that photobiomodulation benefit of near infrared in the morning from The of near infrared in the morning from The of near infrared in the morning from The Morning Sun Morning Sun Morning Sun while you're fully clothed if you're in while you're fully clothed if you're in while you're fully clothed if you're in your the privacy of your home you can be your the privacy of your home you can be your the privacy of your home you can be in the sauna you know predominantly in the sauna you know predominantly in the sauna you know predominantly naked and get the stimulus in all cells naked and get the stimulus in all cells naked and get the stimulus in all cells of the body which is what we're designed of the body which is what we're designed of the body which is what we're designed to get to get to get not just our head and our our arms not just our head and our our arms not just our head and our our arms one thing I was surprised you didn't one thing I was surprised you didn't one thing I was surprised you didn't mention at all about LEDs and certain mention at all about LEDs and certain mention at all about LEDs and certain other modern digital Lighting other modern digital Lighting other modern digital Lighting Technologies is Flicker and the way it Technologies is Flicker and the way it Technologies is Flicker and the way it impacts our eyes our nervous system our impacts our eyes our nervous system our impacts our eyes our nervous system our biology on so many different levels yeah biology on so many different levels yeah biology on so many different levels yeah it's good that you bring that up I I it's good that you bring that up I I it's good that you bring that up I I should have mentioned it it is should have mentioned it it is should have mentioned it it is very problematic it's it's why people very problematic it's it's why people very problematic it's it's why people get it's a big part of why people get get it's a big part of why people get get it's a big part of why people get technology fatigue and Screen fatigue technology fatigue and Screen fatigue technology fatigue and Screen fatigue it's partially too much blue light but it's partially too much blue light but it's partially too much blue light but it's partially the it's partially the it's partially the rapidly pulsing light is a nervous rapidly pulsing light is a nervous rapidly pulsing light is a nervous stressor that causes headaches and stressor that causes headaches and stressor that causes headaches and just all kinds of Neuropsychiatric sort just all kinds of Neuropsychiatric sort just all kinds of Neuropsychiatric sort of symptoms
25:00of symptoms of symptoms and you do get that from all pretty much and you do get that from all pretty much and you do get that from all pretty much all LED and fluorescent lighting all LED and fluorescent lighting all LED and fluorescent lighting um especially the stuff the the standard um especially the stuff the the standard um especially the stuff the the standard domestic you know domestic you know domestic you know um lighting you see that's not like um lighting you see that's not like um lighting you see that's not like specialized specialized specialized and what's cool about uh what we do is and what's cool about uh what we do is and what's cool about uh what we do is is just as the photon and the light is just as the photon and the light is just as the photon and the light spectrum from this fire light bulb this spectrum from this fire light bulb this spectrum from this fire light bulb this thermal liable thermal liable thermal liable cancels out blue light it also cancels cancels out blue light it also cancels cancels out blue light it also cancels out flickering light and you can measure out flickering light and you can measure out flickering light and you can measure that with the flicker meter that with the flicker meter that with the flicker meter yeah that's also on our Instagram so yeah that's also on our Instagram so yeah that's also on our Instagram so you could you can there's flicker meters you could you can there's flicker meters you could you can there's flicker meters that measures the rate of pulse light that measures the rate of pulse light that measures the rate of pulse light and an LED will pulse at 120 hertz which and an LED will pulse at 120 hertz which and an LED will pulse at 120 hertz which is twice is twice is twice the supply so the supply of the supply so the supply of the supply so the supply of in America's 60 hertz electricity in America's 60 hertz electricity in America's 60 hertz electricity and alternating current switches so it's and alternating current switches so it's and alternating current switches so it's so basically the LED light bulb at 120 so basically the LED light bulb at 120 so basically the LED light bulb at 120 hertz is turning on and off 120 times a hertz is turning on and off 120 times a hertz is turning on and off 120 times a second second second which is a lot so it's really rapid if which is a lot so it's really rapid if which is a lot so it's really rapid if you if you take a if you film it with
26:00you if you take a if you film it with you if you take a if you film it with your iPhone or something that's in slow your iPhone or something that's in slow your iPhone or something that's in slow mode video mode video mode video you can see the flickering effect so you can see the flickering effect so you can see the flickering effect so it's it's it's it's akin to having a it's it's it's it's akin to having a it's it's it's it's akin to having a strobe light in front of us it's strobe light in front of us it's strobe light in front of us it's stressful and it's damaging to us even stressful and it's damaging to us even stressful and it's damaging to us even though it's it's like really fast it's though it's it's like really fast it's though it's it's like really fast it's it's it's it's um it's a problem and really it's it's a um it's a problem and really it's it's a um it's a problem and really it's it's a it's a part of all this modern lighting it's a part of all this modern lighting it's a part of all this modern lighting so the flickering light effect the pulse so the flickering light effect the pulse so the flickering light effect the pulse light effect is is damaging in its light effect is is damaging in its light effect is is damaging in its cumulative effect and us being exposed cumulative effect and us being exposed cumulative effect and us being exposed to it all day long every day and so to it all day long every day and so to it all day long every day and so there is a solution to it and in terms there is a solution to it and in terms there is a solution to it and in terms of bringing in the firelight Spectrum of bringing in the firelight Spectrum of bringing in the firelight Spectrum using the photon but using the photon but using the photon but um just understand yeah it's not a part um just understand yeah it's not a part um just understand yeah it's not a part of the ancestral of the ancestral of the ancestral experience at all maybe like when experience at all maybe like when experience at all maybe like when The ancestral human was running really The ancestral human was running really The ancestral human was running really fast the jungle and the Starlight was fast the jungle and the Starlight was fast the jungle and the Starlight was kind of flickering above through the kind of flickering above through the kind of flickering above through the trees trees trees that's pretty much it there is no there that's pretty much it there is no there that's pretty much it there is no there really is no pulsed light all the light really is no pulsed light all the light really is no pulsed light all the light of the sun is direct it's direct current
27:00of the sun is direct it's direct current of the sun is direct it's direct current so it's so it's so it's it's non-pulsing constant current light it's non-pulsing constant current light it's non-pulsing constant current light and that's also very different that's and that's also very different that's and that's also very different that's not gonna be you're gonna perceive that not gonna be you're gonna perceive that not gonna be you're gonna perceive that with your naked eye when you're running with your naked eye when you're running with your naked eye when you're running it's not going to be 120 times per it's not going to be 120 times per it's not going to be 120 times per second most likely and it's not gonna second most likely and it's not gonna second most likely and it's not gonna occur every day for long periods occur every day for long periods occur every day for long periods absolutely and it's interesting the so absolutely and it's interesting the so absolutely and it's interesting the so fluorescent light bulbs flicker it fluorescent light bulbs flicker it fluorescent light bulbs flicker it are the older ones flickered at 400 or are the older ones flickered at 400 or are the older ones flickered at 400 or 600 Hertz some of the newer ones are 600 Hertz some of the newer ones are 600 Hertz some of the newer ones are like a thousand Hertz so they're like a thousand Hertz so they're like a thousand Hertz so they're flickering really fast flickering really fast flickering really fast and they also when they pull slight when and they also when they pull slight when and they also when they pull slight when they turn off briefly they don't go from they turn off briefly they don't go from they turn off briefly they don't go from 100 power to zero percent power like an 100 power to zero percent power like an 100 power to zero percent power like an LED LED LED uh for us in light bulbs go from 100 uh for us in light bulbs go from 100 uh for us in light bulbs go from 100 power to like 30 or 40 power so the power to like 30 or 40 power so the power to like 30 or 40 power so the degree of the flicker is lesser LED degree of the flicker is lesser LED degree of the flicker is lesser LED light bulbs or LED chips that produce light bulbs or LED chips that produce light bulbs or LED chips that produce light light when they pulse they turn from 100 when they pulse they turn from 100 when they pulse they turn from 100 emission to zero in terms of the wattage emission to zero in terms of the wattage emission to zero in terms of the wattage of emitted light 120 times a second so
28:00of emitted light 120 times a second so of emitted light 120 times a second so there's something that has to do with there's something that has to do with there's something that has to do with this the slower rate of the pulsing at this the slower rate of the pulsing at this the slower rate of the pulsing at 120 hertz and this The increased 120 hertz and this The increased 120 hertz and this The increased severity of the flicker severity of the flicker severity of the flicker that makes that makes that makes uh the LED flickering light more toxic uh the LED flickering light more toxic uh the LED flickering light more toxic than fluorescent light in terms of the than fluorescent light in terms of the than fluorescent light in terms of the flicker like the flicker the stress on flicker like the flicker the stress on flicker like the flicker the stress on the body the change in the cortisol the body the change in the cortisol the body the change in the cortisol levels and and and and you know you like levels and and and and you know you like levels and and and and you know you like your heartbeat and things like that it's your heartbeat and things like that it's your heartbeat and things like that it's it's it seems to be more stressful on it's it seems to be more stressful on it's it seems to be more stressful on the body the LED flickering because the body the LED flickering because the body the LED flickering because it's going completely on and off every it's going completely on and off every it's going completely on and off every time it flickers time it flickers time it flickers and and um the the slower flickering rate is um the the slower flickering rate is um the the slower flickering rate is something that it's it's closer to our something that it's it's closer to our something that it's it's closer to our ability to notice it and when we see po ability to notice it and when we see po ability to notice it and when we see po you know when we can perceive pulsing you know when we can perceive pulsing you know when we can perceive pulsing light it's something that our it really light it's something that our it really light it's something that our it really you know it attracts our brain and our you know it attracts our brain and our you know it attracts our brain and our eyes and and it's a distraction for us eyes and and it's a distraction for us eyes and and it's a distraction for us so so so all that to say that LEDs are not better all that to say that LEDs are not better all that to say that LEDs are not better than fluorescent light bulbs they're in than fluorescent light bulbs they're in than fluorescent light bulbs they're in some ways worse in terms of the some ways worse in terms of the some ways worse in terms of the flickering even though fluorescent light
29:00flickering even though fluorescent light flickering even though fluorescent light bulbs or mercury vapor and so when they bulbs or mercury vapor and so when they bulbs or mercury vapor and so when they break they're sort of this toxic break they're sort of this toxic break they're sort of this toxic chemical exposure that you get so both chemical exposure that you get so both chemical exposure that you get so both of the options of the options of the options are not as good as incandescent bulbs are not as good as incandescent bulbs are not as good as incandescent bulbs which get a bad rap because they're which get a bad rap because they're which get a bad rap because they're supposedly less efficient than LEDs but supposedly less efficient than LEDs but supposedly less efficient than LEDs but there's no mercury vapor there's no there's no mercury vapor there's no there's no mercury vapor there's no environmental ecological uh you know environmental ecological uh you know environmental ecological uh you know adverse consequences uh they're totally adverse consequences uh they're totally adverse consequences uh they're totally recyclable recyclable recyclable they're very affordable to make and they they're very affordable to make and they they're very affordable to make and they produce light that has this healing produce light that has this healing produce light that has this healing spectrum of infrared that the LEDs lack spectrum of infrared that the LEDs lack spectrum of infrared that the LEDs lack and the fluorescent Slack and the fluorescent Slack and the fluorescent Slack yeah the fluorescence for context are yeah the fluorescence for context are yeah the fluorescence for context are the ones that are like the curly q the ones that are like the curly q the ones that are like the curly q shaped ones and also the long tubes that shaped ones and also the long tubes that shaped ones and also the long tubes that have like an eerie glow to them and they have like an eerie glow to them and they have like an eerie glow to them and they also have problems with dirty also have problems with dirty also have problems with dirty electricity and other things too so electricity and other things too so electricity and other things too so those I try to avoid at all costs one those I try to avoid at all costs one those I try to avoid at all costs one thing I learned about phones is the thing I learned about phones is the thing I learned about phones is the seemingly obvious solution to light
30:00seemingly obvious solution to light seemingly obvious solution to light exposure and night especially blue light exposure and night especially blue light exposure and night especially blue light is to just lower the brightness like at is to just lower the brightness like at is to just lower the brightness like at least you're not going to get as much least you're not going to get as much least you're not going to get as much but I learned that when you lower the but I learned that when you lower the but I learned that when you lower the brightness you're actually increasing brightness you're actually increasing brightness you're actually increasing the rate of flicker so it's like a the rate of flicker so it's like a the rate of flicker so it's like a trade-off yeah what I like to do is turn trade-off yeah what I like to do is turn trade-off yeah what I like to do is turn on the red color filter if I'm having to on the red color filter if I'm having to on the red color filter if I'm having to look at the phone after dark and make it look at the phone after dark and make it look at the phone after dark and make it deeply red which will reduce the blue deeply red which will reduce the blue deeply red which will reduce the blue um um but yeah it's it's you just shouldn't be but yeah it's it's you just shouldn't be but yeah it's it's you just shouldn't be on those devices you know after dark as on those devices you know after dark as on those devices you know after dark as much as possible limited use is is fine much as possible limited use is is fine much as possible limited use is is fine it's it's always the daily habits that it's it's always the daily habits that it's it's always the daily habits that really get to us yeah I don't know if really get to us yeah I don't know if really get to us yeah I don't know if you've heard of it Brian but I'm a huge you've heard of it Brian but I'm a huge you've heard of it Brian but I'm a huge fan of an a Mac and I think PC app fan of an a Mac and I think PC app fan of an a Mac and I think PC app called Iris Tech and it's like flux or called Iris Tech and it's like flux or called Iris Tech and it's like flux or night shift on steroids and the major night shift on steroids and the major night shift on steroids and the major advantage it has over the other ones is advantage it has over the other ones is advantage it has over the other ones is that it also greatly reduces or that it also greatly reduces or that it also greatly reduces or eliminates the screen flicker from the eliminates the screen flicker from the eliminates the screen flicker from the computer oh I'm not familiar with that
31:00computer oh I'm not familiar with that computer oh I'm not familiar with that I'll check it out it's called Iris Tech I'll check it out it's called Iris Tech I'll check it out it's called Iris Tech yeah and it's a couple bucks but it's yeah and it's a couple bucks but it's yeah and it's a couple bucks but it's it's worth it because it lasts and I use it's worth it because it lasts and I use it's worth it because it lasts and I use my computer for many hours every day so my computer for many hours every day so my computer for many hours every day so might as well optimize that light might as well optimize that light might as well optimize that light exposure and then offset it with some exposure and then offset it with some exposure and then offset it with some with a photon or other high quality with a photon or other high quality with a photon or other high quality light source as well yeah absolutely you light source as well yeah absolutely you light source as well yeah absolutely you should definitely we should be I'll be should definitely we should be I'll be should definitely we should be I'll be paying attention to the spaces and the paying attention to the spaces and the paying attention to the spaces and the the places that we spend the most time the places that we spend the most time the places that we spend the most time in in in if you're like you with me and you work if you're like you with me and you work if you're like you with me and you work at at a computer for many hours a day at at a computer for many hours a day at at a computer for many hours a day then take time to optimize that and it's then take time to optimize that and it's then take time to optimize that and it's the screen it's the space the feng shui the screen it's the space the feng shui the screen it's the space the feng shui of it it's you know the seat you use of it it's you know the seat you use of it it's you know the seat you use everything all those things matter everything all those things matter everything all those things matter um and they really have a I mean um and they really have a I mean um and they really have a I mean especially the light change so I especially the light change so I especially the light change so I couldn't couldn't couldn't if you you know now that I've gotten if you you know now that I've gotten if you you know now that I've gotten used to working with the photon next to used to working with the photon next to used to working with the photon next to me at the computer which has been many me at the computer which has been many me at the computer which has been many many years now it is many years now it is many years now it is quite difficult for me to work for an quite difficult for me to work for an quite difficult for me to work for an extended period of time without it extended period of time without it extended period of time without it um
32:00um I you know I wear blue blockers you know I you know I wear blue blockers you know I you know I wear blue blockers you know when I'm traveling and I'm on the when I'm traveling and I'm on the when I'm traveling and I'm on the computer you know in a plane or computer you know in a plane or computer you know in a plane or something like that where it's there's something like that where it's there's something like that where it's there's not a whole lot of ambient light but not a whole lot of ambient light but not a whole lot of ambient light but it's just definitely not the same as as it's just definitely not the same as as it's just definitely not the same as as working next to the firelight working next to the firelight working next to the firelight so yeah you have to try it out it's so yeah you have to try it out it's so yeah you have to try it out it's really uh it really changes the game really uh it really changes the game really uh it really changes the game yeah I know that when I yeah I know that when I yeah I know that when I when like those lights are too close to when like those lights are too close to when like those lights are too close to me since they're off putting outputting me since they're off putting outputting me since they're off putting outputting near infrared light and it has a heating near infrared light and it has a heating near infrared light and it has a heating effect on the body it might make me effect on the body it might make me effect on the body it might make me sweat if I'm already hot and it's on and sweat if I'm already hot and it's on and sweat if I'm already hot and it's on and Too Close how far do you keep yours away Too Close how far do you keep yours away Too Close how far do you keep yours away from you well you can you don't have to from you well you can you don't have to from you well you can you don't have to point it directly towards you so you can point it directly towards you so you can point it directly towards you so you can just have it next to you and like facing just have it next to you and like facing just have it next to you and like facing up up up so it's not really ever heating you up so it's not really ever heating you up so it's not really ever heating you up directly so much that it be directly so much that it be directly so much that it be you know it becomes something that is you know it becomes something that is you know it becomes something that is too much if you do point in at the body too much if you do point in at the body too much if you do point in at the body and you're doing localized localized and you're doing localized localized and you're doing localized localized therapy you're you're using it for up to therapy you're you're using it for up to therapy you're you're using it for up to half an hour at a time half an hour at a time half an hour at a time on the body if you're using it on the on the body if you're using it on the on the body if you're using it on the head it's only 10 minutes per hour that
33:00head it's only 10 minutes per hour that head it's only 10 minutes per hour that you do and that's at a distance of of you do and that's at a distance of of you do and that's at a distance of of 15 to 36 inches so just up close and 15 to 36 inches so just up close and 15 to 36 inches so just up close and personal you do limit to duration if you personal you do limit to duration if you personal you do limit to duration if you just have it just have it just have it either on our Photon desk arm that we either on our Photon desk arm that we either on our Photon desk arm that we offer or just on the desk pointing up offer or just on the desk pointing up offer or just on the desk pointing up next to you or even in the vicinity it's next to you or even in the vicinity it's next to you or even in the vicinity it's still having that benefit on the blue still having that benefit on the blue still having that benefit on the blue light the blue light cancellation the light the blue light cancellation the light the blue light cancellation the flicker cancellation flicker cancellation flicker cancellation and it's still ambiently improving your and it's still ambiently improving your and it's still ambiently improving your lighting environment lighting environment lighting environment without it having a targeted therapy without it having a targeted therapy without it having a targeted therapy effect that you would want to limit your effect that you would want to limit your effect that you would want to limit your duration of so you could just point it duration of so you could just point it duration of so you could just point it up or angle it sort of up or angle it sort of up or angle it sort of away away away and not have it angling towards you have and not have it angling towards you have and not have it angling towards you have it said that I just kind of sometimes I it said that I just kind of sometimes I it said that I just kind of sometimes I point it at myself and sometimes I roll point it at myself and sometimes I roll point it at myself and sometimes I roll up my shirt and and point on my on my up my shirt and and point on my on my up my shirt and and point on my on my chest or my gut and then most of the chest or my gut and then most of the chest or my gut and then most of the time it's just pointed up so it's time it's just pointed up so it's time it's just pointed up so it's it's improving the photonic space like it's improving the photonic space like it's improving the photonic space like for like four or five feet in this
34:00for like four or five feet in this for like four or five feet in this bubble of my you know my bubble of my you know my bubble of my you know my my Helm here where I have my my monitors my Helm here where I have my my monitors my Helm here where I have my my monitors and all my computer stuff all right now and all my computer stuff all right now and all my computer stuff all right now that we've talked thoroughly about light that we've talked thoroughly about light that we've talked thoroughly about light in the different types and how to get in the different types and how to get in the different types and how to get like your basic light environment like your basic light environment like your basic light environment optimized let's go on to sauna usage optimized let's go on to sauna usage optimized let's go on to sauna usage what the research is you mentioned Dr what the research is you mentioned Dr what the research is you mentioned Dr Rhonda Patrick and her study and her own Rhonda Patrick and her study and her own Rhonda Patrick and her study and her own research and her explanations of how a research and her explanations of how a research and her explanations of how a couple times a week Sonic usage can couple times a week Sonic usage can couple times a week Sonic usage can reduce your chances of Dying by reduce your chances of Dying by reduce your chances of Dying by from any cause I think it's by like 40 from any cause I think it's by like 40 from any cause I think it's by like 40 percent and that took the Western World percent and that took the Western World percent and that took the Western World by storm and now sauna is no longer a by storm and now sauna is no longer a by storm and now sauna is no longer a taboo topic but you are one of the ogs taboo topic but you are one of the ogs taboo topic but you are one of the ogs so I'm curious to hear what you have to so I'm curious to hear what you have to so I'm curious to hear what you have to say about the literature and the say about the literature and the say about the literature and the experience and benefits you're seeing experience and benefits you're seeing experience and benefits you're seeing around sauna usage yeah first of all around sauna usage yeah first of all around sauna usage yeah first of all let's talk about that paper a little bit let's talk about that paper a little bit let's talk about that paper a little bit you've you've touched on the highlights you've you've touched on the highlights you've you've touched on the highlights um um so that was a review review article on
35:00so that was a review review article on so that was a review review article on the literature the the literature the the literature the the the benefit you're specifically referred to benefit you're specifically referred to benefit you're specifically referred to in sauna use reducing your all-cause in sauna use reducing your all-cause in sauna use reducing your all-cause mortality by 40 30 40 percent mortality by 40 30 40 percent mortality by 40 30 40 percent uh it it it's tied to this study by Lau uh it it it's tied to this study by Lau uh it it it's tied to this study by Lau cannon that was published in 2015 so cannon that was published in 2015 so cannon that was published in 2015 so it's a little bit older now where they it's a little bit older now where they it's a little bit older now where they looked at cardiovascular disease and looked at cardiovascular disease and looked at cardiovascular disease and heart attack and and death due to heart attack and and death due to heart attack and and death due to cardiovascular disease cardiovascular disease cardiovascular disease and they found two interesting outcomes and they found two interesting outcomes and they found two interesting outcomes one the people doing sauna one day a one the people doing sauna one day a one the people doing sauna one day a week versus the groups the group not week versus the groups the group not week versus the groups the group not doing sauna had their risk of dying of doing sauna had their risk of dying of doing sauna had their risk of dying of heart disease reduced like 40 percent heart disease reduced like 40 percent heart disease reduced like 40 percent that's what you just said what was more that's what you just said what was more that's what you just said what was more interesting was that on top of that the interesting was that on top of that the interesting was that on top of that the the the subjects in the testing group they were subjects in the testing group they were subjects in the testing group they were doing sauna like three or four times a doing sauna like three or four times a doing sauna like three or four times a week had an additional 30 or more week had an additional 30 or more week had an additional 30 or more percent re reduced risk of development percent re reduced risk of development percent re reduced risk of development of heart disease versus the one day a of heart disease versus the one day a of heart disease versus the one day a weekers so the conclusion was not just
36:00weekers so the conclusion was not just weekers so the conclusion was not just that sauna reduces your risk of dying of that sauna reduces your risk of dying of that sauna reduces your risk of dying of all things but the more you do it the all things but the more you do it the all things but the more you do it the better the more reduction at risk you better the more reduction at risk you better the more reduction at risk you get get get so that was amazing and yes that took so that was amazing and yes that took so that was amazing and yes that took the World by storm what's really the World by storm what's really the World by storm what's really fascinating is they continue to follow fascinating is they continue to follow fascinating is they continue to follow that group of 2 000 Finnish males at that group of 2 000 Finnish males at that group of 2 000 Finnish males at that point it was a 20-year study which that point it was a 20-year study which that point it was a 20-year study which was why it's so impressive was why it's so impressive was why it's so impressive um a very long-term large cohort study um a very long-term large cohort study um a very long-term large cohort study that that came to this conclusion so that that came to this conclusion so that that came to this conclusion so they followed the same group they followed the same group they followed the same group for another like five years for another like five years for another like five years and this time they were looking at and this time they were looking at and this time they were looking at dementia outcomes dementia outcomes dementia outcomes and guess what they found they found the and guess what they found they found the and guess what they found they found the same thing same thing same thing the if you're doing sauna your risk of the if you're doing sauna your risk of the if you're doing sauna your risk of dementia is reduced like 30 40 percent dementia is reduced like 30 40 percent dementia is reduced like 30 40 percent your risk of developing dementia and if your risk of developing dementia and if your risk of developing dementia and if you're doing sauna two three four days a you're doing sauna two three four days a you're doing sauna two three four days a week week week your risk decreases another 20 to 30 to your risk decreases another 20 to 30 to your risk decreases another 20 to 30 to 40 percent depending on you know other 40 percent depending on you know other 40 percent depending on you know other lifestyle factors so lifestyle factors so lifestyle factors so so Sana is clearly so Sana is clearly so Sana is clearly clearly demonstrated now in this
37:00clearly demonstrated now in this clearly demonstrated now in this long-term large population study and uh long-term large population study and uh long-term large population study and uh there's other ones too now out there to there's other ones too now out there to there's other ones too now out there to reduce your risk of dementia and reduce reduce your risk of dementia and reduce reduce your risk of dementia and reduce your risk of dying of all things there's your risk of dying of all things there's your risk of dying of all things there's not any other therapeutic that's ever not any other therapeutic that's ever not any other therapeutic that's ever been studied that can been studied that can been studied that can that that provides that guarantees that that provides that guarantees that that provides that guarantees that's or brings that I should say so that's or brings that I should say so that's or brings that I should say so the question becomes how do I get that the question becomes how do I get that the question becomes how do I get that so when we looked at these studies it so when we looked at these studies it so when we looked at these studies it was it seems like the sweet spot is to was it seems like the sweet spot is to was it seems like the sweet spot is to do it at least three times a week do it at least three times a week do it at least three times a week to do a sauna session to purportedly get to do a sauna session to purportedly get to do a sauna session to purportedly get these these benefits and then the second these these benefits and then the second these these benefits and then the second uh the second practical question is what uh the second practical question is what uh the second practical question is what is a sauna session is a sauna session is a sauna session and how does that look and how do I know and how does that look and how do I know and how does that look and how do I know I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting I saw in a session as per these clinical I saw in a session as per these clinical I saw in a session as per these clinical studies and these outcomes that studies and these outcomes that studies and these outcomes that everybody's talking about and so when we everybody's talking about and so when we everybody's talking about and so when we look at look at look at these studies these studies these studies um there's basically two outcomes that um there's basically two outcomes that um there's basically two outcomes that you can measure that are outcomes that
38:00you can measure that are outcomes that you can measure that are outcomes that they were measuring that are very they were measuring that are very they were measuring that are very practical and very simple and our practical and very simple and our practical and very simple and our validation and confirmation that I had a validation and confirmation that I had a validation and confirmation that I had a great sauna session today great sauna session today great sauna session today and one is how much water you sweat out and one is how much water you sweat out and one is how much water you sweat out so in these studies the average sauna so in these studies the average sauna so in these studies the average sauna session the or the average sauna subject session the or the average sauna subject session the or the average sauna subject in an average sauna session was sweating in an average sauna session was sweating in an average sauna session was sweating out one to two pounds of water out one to two pounds of water out one to two pounds of water two pounds of water so you can measure two pounds of water so you can measure two pounds of water so you can measure yourself on a digital scale before and yourself on a digital scale before and yourself on a digital scale before and after the sauna session after the sauna session after the sauna session and your weight loss is exactly and your weight loss is exactly and your weight loss is exactly equivalent to how much water you sweat equivalent to how much water you sweat equivalent to how much water you sweat out out out going to go for one pound here so you going to go for one pound here so you going to go for one pound here so you can just measure that the other outcome can just measure that the other outcome can just measure that the other outcome is I think obvious but is I think obvious but is I think obvious but it's important to say it and it's it's important to say it and it's it's important to say it and it's raising core body temperature by three raising core body temperature by three raising core body temperature by three degrees which is what causes you to degrees which is what causes you to degrees which is what causes you to sweat basically sweat basically sweat basically so we don't want to raise core so we don't want to raise core so we don't want to raise core temperature by half a degree or one temperature by half a degree or one temperature by half a degree or one degree it seems that degree it seems that degree it seems that the holistic so this whole body this the holistic so this whole body this the holistic so this whole body this this reduction in risk of of disease and
39:00this reduction in risk of of disease and this reduction in risk of of disease and dementia dementia dementia is associated with heating the body up is associated with heating the body up is associated with heating the body up by at least three degrees by at least three degrees by at least three degrees for a sustained period of time for a sustained period of time for a sustained period of time so you can measure that as well with a so you can measure that as well with a so you can measure that as well with a thermometer and just measure that thermometer and just measure that thermometer and just measure that measure whatever you in your mouth or in measure whatever you in your mouth or in measure whatever you in your mouth or in your armpit wherever you want to measure your armpit wherever you want to measure your armpit wherever you want to measure your base body temperature and then you your base body temperature and then you your base body temperature and then you want to go up three degrees so if you're want to go up three degrees so if you're want to go up three degrees so if you're at 98.6 you're going up to 101.6 or 102 at 98.6 you're going up to 101.6 or 102 at 98.6 you're going up to 101.6 or 102 degrees degrees degrees and that is sufficient and that will be and that is sufficient and that will be and that is sufficient and that will be coupled with coupled with coupled with some significant amount of sweat loss some significant amount of sweat loss some significant amount of sweat loss and then the third outcome which is not and then the third outcome which is not and then the third outcome which is not measurable quantitatively but I think is measurable quantitatively but I think is measurable quantitatively but I think is important to mention is subjective important to mention is subjective important to mention is subjective exhaustion exhaustion exhaustion what was found in this review of the what was found in this review of the what was found in this review of the literature is literature is literature is is it's ideal to be in the sauna and is it's ideal to be in the sauna and is it's ideal to be in the sauna and bring yourself to a point of subjective bring yourself to a point of subjective bring yourself to a point of subjective exhaustion exhaustion and this has to do with something called and this has to do with something called and this has to do with something called dinorphins dinorphins are things that dinorphins dinorphins are things that dinorphins dinorphins are things that are produced in the body that make you
40:00are produced in the body that make you are produced in the body that make you feel uncomfortable during exercise feel uncomfortable during exercise feel uncomfortable during exercise and how many dinorphins you produce is and how many dinorphins you produce is and how many dinorphins you produce is proportional to how many endorphins you proportional to how many endorphins you proportional to how many endorphins you produce after the workout or after the produce after the workout or after the produce after the workout or after the sauna session so just like in a workout sauna session so just like in a workout sauna session so just like in a workout you know you you get to that point where you know you you get to that point where you know you you get to that point where you're really uncomfortable and you're you're really uncomfortable and you're you're really uncomfortable and you're really tired and then you if you can really tired and then you if you can really tired and then you if you can take yourself push yourself a little bit take yourself push yourself a little bit take yourself push yourself a little bit further further further you know you feel wow so much more you know you feel wow so much more you know you feel wow so much more accomplishment and that endorphin rush accomplishment and that endorphin rush accomplishment and that endorphin rush afterwards and that that sort of uh afterwards and that that sort of uh afterwards and that that sort of uh Bliss you know that comes afterwards Bliss you know that comes afterwards Bliss you know that comes afterwards ventilation that comes afterwards it's ventilation that comes afterwards it's ventilation that comes afterwards it's the same thing with the sauna session the same thing with the sauna session the same thing with the sauna session you get in you sweat out a pound of you get in you sweat out a pound of you get in you sweat out a pound of water you raise core temperature Three water you raise core temperature Three water you raise core temperature Three Degrees met two measurable things and Degrees met two measurable things and Degrees met two measurable things and you get to a point where you feel kind you get to a point where you feel kind you get to a point where you feel kind of uncomfortable and you're like wow I'm of uncomfortable and you're like wow I'm of uncomfortable and you're like wow I'm getting hot I'm I'm done I'm I've had getting hot I'm I'm done I'm I've had getting hot I'm I'm done I'm I've had enough if you can within your own enough if you can within your own enough if you can within your own judgment of what's safe and reasonable judgment of what's safe and reasonable judgment of what's safe and reasonable for you stay in for another minute to for you stay in for another minute to for you stay in for another minute to three minutes three minutes three minutes in that state of subjective exhaustion
41:00in that state of subjective exhaustion in that state of subjective exhaustion in that state of uncomfortability in that state of uncomfortability in that state of uncomfortability boom uh the qualitative benefits of of boom uh the qualitative benefits of of boom uh the qualitative benefits of of feeling better afterwards are are sort feeling better afterwards are are sort feeling better afterwards are are sort of maximized of maximized of maximized so those are the three things so those are the three things so those are the three things particularly the first two things that particularly the first two things that particularly the first two things that um are easy ways to to confirm I've had um are easy ways to to confirm I've had um are easy ways to to confirm I've had a real sauna session that's too funny I a real sauna session that's too funny I a real sauna session that's too funny I actually I intuitively arrived at the actually I intuitively arrived at the actually I intuitively arrived at the same conclusion I discovered that I like same conclusion I discovered that I like same conclusion I discovered that I like to go to the limit of my comfort and to go to the limit of my comfort and to go to the limit of my comfort and then push just a little bit more another then push just a little bit more another then push just a little bit more another one to I don't know three or four one to I don't know three or four one to I don't know three or four minutes somewhere in there and then minutes somewhere in there and then minutes somewhere in there and then without fail whenever I leave the sauna without fail whenever I leave the sauna without fail whenever I leave the sauna session I just feel better it feels more session I just feel better it feels more session I just feel better it feels more rewarding I didn't know that that was rewarding I didn't know that that was rewarding I didn't know that that was actually something like a best practice actually something like a best practice actually something like a best practice yeah you're you're and then that's your yeah you're you're and then that's your yeah you're you're and then that's your intuition you know there's a part of the intuition you know there's a part of the intuition you know there's a part of the body yes you're uncomfortable but it's body yes you're uncomfortable but it's body yes you're uncomfortable but it's it's an intermittent stress that is it's an intermittent stress that is it's an intermittent stress that is you're you know you you rationalize with you're you know you you rationalize with you're you know you you rationalize with your mind this is good for my body it's
42:00your mind this is good for my body it's your mind this is good for my body it's just like that high intensity exercise just like that high intensity exercise just like that high intensity exercise like just doing a pushing a little bit like just doing a pushing a little bit like just doing a pushing a little bit harder for a little bit longer it brings harder for a little bit longer it brings harder for a little bit longer it brings those benefits afterwards so we see that those benefits afterwards so we see that those benefits afterwards so we see that biochemically in this concept of biochemically in this concept of biochemically in this concept of dinorphins dinorphins dinorphins leading to the production of endorphins leading to the production of endorphins leading to the production of endorphins post workout and the sauna by the way is post workout and the sauna by the way is post workout and the sauna by the way is a workout the sauna session as I've a workout the sauna session as I've a workout the sauna session as I've described it is a 60 to 100 kilowatt described it is a 60 to 100 kilowatt described it is a 60 to 100 kilowatt workout workout workout and in that you have calorie burn you and in that you have calorie burn you and in that you have calorie burn you have have have you know growth hormone production you know growth hormone production you know growth hormone production increased heart rate and increased heart rate and increased heart rate and basically all of the cardiovascular and basically all of the cardiovascular and basically all of the cardiovascular and thermoregulatory benefits of exercise as thermoregulatory benefits of exercise as thermoregulatory benefits of exercise as well as weight loss benefits over time well as weight loss benefits over time well as weight loss benefits over time as you continue to do this and this is a as you continue to do this and this is a as you continue to do this and this is a very safe way to do this very safe way to do this very safe way to do this and in some ways it doesn't replace and in some ways it doesn't replace and in some ways it doesn't replace exercise but it's not exercise but it's not exercise but it's not it's just as good and perhaps more it's just as good and perhaps more it's just as good and perhaps more important maybe than exercise in the important maybe than exercise in the important maybe than exercise in the sense of detoxification sense of detoxification sense of detoxification since our bodies are so poison nowadays since our bodies are so poison nowadays since our bodies are so poison nowadays with so many
43:00with so many with so many environmental chemicals and toxins the environmental chemicals and toxins the environmental chemicals and toxins the body body body the body uses adipose tissue to hide the body uses adipose tissue to hide the body uses adipose tissue to hide toxins heavy metals and petrochemicals toxins heavy metals and petrochemicals toxins heavy metals and petrochemicals and so forth so when we're trying to go and so forth so when we're trying to go and so forth so when we're trying to go to the gym and lose that unwanted fat to the gym and lose that unwanted fat to the gym and lose that unwanted fat we're needing to detox these hidden we're needing to detox these hidden we're needing to detox these hidden toxins that are coming out of the fat toxins that are coming out of the fat toxins that are coming out of the fat tissue that's being metabolized tissue that's being metabolized tissue that's being metabolized so to uh if you're working out that's so to uh if you're working out that's so to uh if you're working out that's great but definitely be following that great but definitely be following that great but definitely be following that up with the sauna session for up with the sauna session for up with the sauna session for not just to support the detoxification not just to support the detoxification not just to support the detoxification process you're going through but also process you're going through but also process you're going through but also for the post-workout recovery for for the post-workout recovery for for the post-workout recovery for digesting the lactic acid to to sort of digesting the lactic acid to to sort of digesting the lactic acid to to sort of minimize and alleviate muscle soreness minimize and alleviate muscle soreness minimize and alleviate muscle soreness that occurs so there's a ton of benefits that occurs so there's a ton of benefits that occurs so there's a ton of benefits of sauna it's not just living longer and of sauna it's not just living longer and of sauna it's not just living longer and and making sure your brain is still and making sure your brain is still and making sure your brain is still working right into old age it's also working right into old age it's also working right into old age it's also there's also athletic performance there's also athletic performance there's also athletic performance benefits and sleep benefits you know benefits and sleep benefits you know benefits and sleep benefits you know that was my particular story but that's that was my particular story but that's that was my particular story but that's also well validated changing the body's
44:00also well validated changing the body's also well validated changing the body's core temperatures dramatically by a few core temperatures dramatically by a few core temperatures dramatically by a few degrees whether it's cold therapy or hot degrees whether it's cold therapy or hot degrees whether it's cold therapy or hot therapy will lead to improved sleep therapy will lead to improved sleep therapy will lead to improved sleep and and um and on and on and on so when people um and on and on and on so when people um and on and on and on so when people people get like people get like people get like uh I I guess a little bit maybe uh I I guess a little bit maybe uh I I guess a little bit maybe sometimes too left grained about sometimes too left grained about sometimes too left grained about and over analyzing like the technology and over analyzing like the technology and over analyzing like the technology and the health and what to do and how to and the health and what to do and how to and the health and what to do and how to do it that's how simple the sauna is do it that's how simple the sauna is do it that's how simple the sauna is heat the body up three degrees and make heat the body up three degrees and make heat the body up three degrees and make sure you sweat out a pound of water sure you sweat out a pound of water sure you sweat out a pound of water and then after and it doesn't really and then after and it doesn't really and then after and it doesn't really matter what time of day is there are matter what time of day is there are matter what time of day is there are preferences and maybe it's better for preferences and maybe it's better for preferences and maybe it's better for sleep right before bed I prefer in the sleep right before bed I prefer in the sleep right before bed I prefer in the morning to calibrate my day from the morning to calibrate my day from the morning to calibrate my day from the near for a light dosing to this the near for a light dosing to this the near for a light dosing to this the improved cognitive function that comes improved cognitive function that comes improved cognitive function that comes with with the sauna but it doesn't with with the sauna but it doesn't with with the sauna but it doesn't really matter and then ultimately really matter and then ultimately really matter and then ultimately if you can sweat out a pound of water if you can sweat out a pound of water if you can sweat out a pound of water and increase core temp three degrees the and increase core temp three degrees the and increase core temp three degrees the last question becomes well which type of
45:00last question becomes well which type of last question becomes well which type of heating technology do I want to use to heating technology do I want to use to heating technology do I want to use to achieve this benefit achieve this benefit achieve this benefit and eyes feel strongly that what we do and eyes feel strongly that what we do and eyes feel strongly that what we do here is just more efficient it heats up here is just more efficient it heats up here is just more efficient it heats up the body faster there's no preheating of the body faster there's no preheating of the body faster there's no preheating of the sauna uh sauna space sauna sessions the sauna uh sauna space sauna sessions the sauna uh sauna space sauna sessions you know 20 minutes 25 minutes you know 20 minutes 25 minutes you know 20 minutes 25 minutes without any like preparation beforehand without any like preparation beforehand without any like preparation beforehand and and and we talked about it before and and and we talked about it before and and and we talked about it before but it serves to reiterate that there's but it serves to reiterate that there's but it serves to reiterate that there's so much benefit to so much benefit to so much benefit to to photobiomodulation that it's becoming to photobiomodulation that it's becoming to photobiomodulation that it's becoming more and more mainstream and more and more and more mainstream and more and more and more mainstream and more and more well accepted and there's benefit more well accepted and there's benefit more well accepted and there's benefit to every cell of your body just like saw to every cell of your body just like saw to every cell of your body just like saw so they're two wonderful therapies a so they're two wonderful therapies a so they're two wonderful therapies a therapeutic so you can wrap together and therapeutic so you can wrap together and therapeutic so you can wrap together and do in a very efficient you know do in a very efficient you know do in a very efficient you know 20-minute investment three times a week 20-minute investment three times a week 20-minute investment three times a week for a pretty stunning array of benefits for a pretty stunning array of benefits for a pretty stunning array of benefits actually actually actually um we've we've Incorporated a couple um we've we've Incorporated a couple um we've we've Incorporated a couple other things into the sauna as well like other things into the sauna as well like other things into the sauna as well like a grounding mat and a grounding mat and a grounding mat and there's um there's um there's um our higher end saunas called the Faraday
46:00our higher end saunas called the Faraday our higher end saunas called the Faraday and it has a EMF blocking silver based and it has a EMF blocking silver based and it has a EMF blocking silver based um um electromagnetic shielding system and and electromagnetic shielding system and and electromagnetic shielding system and and that's really cool it really creates that's really cool it really creates that's really cool it really creates like the this meditative Zen Den inside like the this meditative Zen Den inside like the this meditative Zen Den inside where you don't have any where you don't have any where you don't have any sort of environmental stressors but even sort of environmental stressors but even sort of environmental stressors but even without that even with just the basics without that even with just the basics without that even with just the basics sauna or any sauna you have a wonderful sauna or any sauna you have a wonderful sauna or any sauna you have a wonderful opportunity to engage in breath work or opportunity to engage in breath work or opportunity to engage in breath work or a meditative practice and so uh there's a meditative practice and so uh there's a meditative practice and so uh there's so many you know there's so many things so many you know there's so many things so many you know there's so many things we can do for our health we can do for our health we can do for our health uh this is one thing that's a Time uh this is one thing that's a Time uh this is one thing that's a Time investment that I think is reasonable investment that I think is reasonable investment that I think is reasonable and and has you check so many boxes has you check so many boxes has you check so many boxes that's like well why not do it why not that's like well why not do it why not that's like well why not do it why not do sauna why not do light therapy if do sauna why not do light therapy if do sauna why not do light therapy if you're going to do that why not do it you're going to do that why not do it you're going to do that why not do it this way with the incandescent bulb and this way with the incandescent bulb and this way with the incandescent bulb and sort of the way out I recommend doing it sort of the way out I recommend doing it sort of the way out I recommend doing it when I was in your Faraday tent so we when I was in your Faraday tent so we when I was in your Faraday tent so we call it a tent at the biohacking call it a tent at the biohacking call it a tent at the biohacking Congress event my first thought was wow Congress event my first thought was wow Congress event my first thought was wow I want to spend most of my day one of I want to spend most of my day one of I want to spend most of my day one of these things maybe bring my laptop in
47:00these things maybe bring my laptop in these things maybe bring my laptop in and I get that defeat some of the and I get that defeat some of the and I get that defeat some of the purpose of shielding some of the EMF but purpose of shielding some of the EMF but purpose of shielding some of the EMF but it just feels like a very welcoming and it just feels like a very welcoming and it just feels like a very welcoming and nice environment to be in yeah it is nice environment to be in yeah it is nice environment to be in yeah it is it's it's a it's a good topic maybe to it's it's a it's a good topic maybe to it's it's a it's a good topic maybe to touch on real quickly touch on real quickly touch on real quickly man-made electromagnetic stress is man-made electromagnetic stress is man-made electromagnetic stress is another one of these environmental another one of these environmental another one of these environmental stressors in our environment that stressors in our environment that stressors in our environment that we're not programmed to deal with the we're not programmed to deal with the we're not programmed to deal with the human the ancestral humans don't have human the ancestral humans don't have human the ancestral humans don't have any and we nowadays we don't have any any and we nowadays we don't have any any and we nowadays we don't have any biological biological biological programming for continuous stress programming for continuous stress programming for continuous stress we didn't have that ancestrally at all we didn't have that ancestrally at all we didn't have that ancestrally at all and the EMF stress is something that's and the EMF stress is something that's and the EMF stress is something that's 24 hours a day that's really hard to 24 hours a day that's really hard to 24 hours a day that's really hard to escape especially if you're in any kind escape especially if you're in any kind escape especially if you're in any kind of urban area of urban area of urban area and what it does is it it and what it does is it it and what it does is it it opens your it triggers your opens your it triggers your opens your it triggers your voltage-gated calcium ion channels in voltage-gated calcium ion channels in voltage-gated calcium ion channels in your cells it's in every cell of the your cells it's in every cell of the your cells it's in every cell of the body it's a calcium signaling system body it's a calcium signaling system body it's a calcium signaling system and it basically causes a lot of and it basically causes a lot of and it basically causes a lot of oxidative stress in your cells and leads
48:00oxidative stress in your cells and leads oxidative stress in your cells and leads to DNA damage through proxy nitride to DNA damage through proxy nitride to DNA damage through proxy nitride production production production so it's it's very much akin to a slow so it's it's very much akin to a slow so it's it's very much akin to a slow like x-ray dose that you're getting in like x-ray dose that you're getting in like x-ray dose that you're getting in terms of damaging the DNA damaging terms of damaging the DNA damaging terms of damaging the DNA damaging mutations in the DNA and then overall mutations in the DNA and then overall mutations in the DNA and then overall just oxidative stress in the body which just oxidative stress in the body which just oxidative stress in the body which causes disease and aging and damage causes disease and aging and damage causes disease and aging and damage and so it's definitely the you know Dr and so it's definitely the you know Dr and so it's definitely the you know Dr Martin Paul's work is is validated that Martin Paul's work is is validated that Martin Paul's work is is validated that this is definitely a cellular like the this is definitely a cellular like the this is definitely a cellular like the the the human biology is affected by a microwave human biology is affected by a microwave human biology is affected by a microwave signal a cell phone signal for sure signal a cell phone signal for sure signal a cell phone signal for sure adversely adversely adversely and now we see clinical associations and now we see clinical associations and now we see clinical associations uh to disease we're just waiting for uh to disease we're just waiting for uh to disease we're just waiting for more long-term studies to see like 20 more long-term studies to see like 20 more long-term studies to see like 20 30-year effects but clearly it's there 30-year effects but clearly it's there 30-year effects but clearly it's there the the it affects the heart and the the the it affects the heart and the the the it affects the heart and the brain and the nervous tissue the most brain and the nervous tissue the most brain and the nervous tissue the most which makes sense because those have the which makes sense because those have the which makes sense because those have the highest concentrations of the highest concentrations of the highest concentrations of the voltage-gated calcium ion channels and
49:00voltage-gated calcium ion channels and voltage-gated calcium ion channels and we have a billion billion times and a we have a billion billion times and a we have a billion billion times and a more more more EMF that's man-made non-native than we EMF that's man-made non-native than we EMF that's man-made non-native than we had 100 years ago had 100 years ago had 100 years ago so it's something that's kind of like a so it's something that's kind of like a so it's something that's kind of like a new Silent Spring it's it's it's new Silent Spring it's it's it's new Silent Spring it's it's it's something that slowly but surely is something that slowly but surely is something that slowly but surely is becoming more and more of a of a health becoming more and more of a of a health becoming more and more of a of a health concern as we move into higher and concern as we move into higher and concern as we move into higher and higher wattages of man-made EMF and and higher wattages of man-made EMF and and higher wattages of man-made EMF and and it be more more ubiquitous across the it be more more ubiquitous across the it be more more ubiquitous across the globe and across the Earth globe and across the Earth globe and across the Earth and and we certainly ideally wouldn't want to in we certainly ideally wouldn't want to in we certainly ideally wouldn't want to in our lives we do need it I think for many our lives we do need it I think for many our lives we do need it I think for many aspects of modern life maybe it could aspects of modern life maybe it could aspects of modern life maybe it could take a different form and there's take a different form and there's take a different form and there's interesting Technologies and options interesting Technologies and options interesting Technologies and options we'll see how it goes but for right now we'll see how it goes but for right now we'll see how it goes but for right now we're basically stuck with cellular we're basically stuck with cellular we're basically stuck with cellular signal signal signal for for wireless data transmission and for for wireless data transmission and for for wireless data transmission and it is a crucial aspect of Modern Life it is a crucial aspect of Modern Life it is a crucial aspect of Modern Life currently currently currently and so it's really unavoidable is what and so it's really unavoidable is what and so it's really unavoidable is what I'm saying so I'm saying so I'm saying so if we can't avoid it in the course of if we can't avoid it in the course of if we can't avoid it in the course of our daily life and our working life our daily life and our working life our daily life and our working life at least we can hopefully remove it from
50:00at least we can hopefully remove it from at least we can hopefully remove it from our therapeutic experiences our therapeutic experiences our therapeutic experiences which is sauna and any kind of which is sauna and any kind of which is sauna and any kind of meditation or any kind of therapeutic meditation or any kind of therapeutic meditation or any kind of therapeutic thing you're doing and sleep thing you're doing and sleep thing you're doing and sleep and so my sauna and so my sauna and so my sauna it protects you from the wired it protects you from the wired it protects you from the wired electricity with the grounding mat and electricity with the grounding mat and electricity with the grounding mat and then with the Faraday liner protects you then with the Faraday liner protects you then with the Faraday liner protects you from all the ambient uh Wireless from all the ambient uh Wireless from all the ambient uh Wireless electromagnetic electromagnetic electromagnetic signals that are around and it is signals that are around and it is signals that are around and it is optional for people who want it but optional for people who want it but optional for people who want it but people who do try it uh they they love people who do try it uh they they love people who do try it uh they they love it it's like what you you feel it it's it it's like what you you feel it it's it it's like what you you feel it it's very quiet to the senses inside very quiet to the senses inside very quiet to the senses inside and it's just like it's a no-brainer you and it's just like it's a no-brainer you and it's just like it's a no-brainer you wouldn't meditate in a polluted space wouldn't meditate in a polluted space wouldn't meditate in a polluted space so and I so ideally you're not doing so and I so ideally you're not doing so and I so ideally you're not doing your healing therapy and your your healing therapy and your your healing therapy and your therapeutic therapeutic therapeutic practice in practice in practice in in a space that's polluted with Electro in a space that's polluted with Electro in a space that's polluted with Electro smog smog smog so that's that's uh so we've so that's that's uh so we've so that's that's uh so we've incorporated into the product line the incorporated into the product line the incorporated into the product line the light panels themselves are portable light panels themselves are portable light panels themselves are portable light panels and our sauna panels are
51:00light panels and our sauna panels are light panels and our sauna panels are all electromagnetically shielded all electromagnetically shielded all electromagnetically shielded entirely so they're not emitting any entirely so they're not emitting any entirely so they're not emitting any electric field or magnetic field that's electric field or magnetic field that's electric field or magnetic field that's measurably influencing the user measurably influencing the user measurably influencing the user and then obviously if you can Faraday and then obviously if you can Faraday and then obviously if you can Faraday protect the entire song Space then then protect the entire song Space then then protect the entire song Space then then that's the best thing and so we do that's the best thing and so we do that's the best thing and so we do provide that option provide that option provide that option and people love it it's something that and people love it it's something that and people love it it's something that we came out with we came out with we came out with I don't know like four years ago and it I don't know like four years ago and it I don't know like four years ago and it was was was very very very um sort of conceptual and the market um sort of conceptual and the market um sort of conceptual and the market loved it and we've continued to iterate loved it and we've continued to iterate loved it and we've continued to iterate on it producing our own organic fabric on it producing our own organic fabric on it producing our own organic fabric so it's all completely organic certified so it's all completely organic certified so it's all completely organic certified materials and materials and materials and and it looks beautiful and it looks beautiful and it looks beautiful but that's that's definitely not enough but that's that's definitely not enough but that's that's definitely not enough it's it's enough to for the therap for it's it's enough to for the therap for it's it's enough to for the therap for the for the Sonic therapy itself but the for the Sonic therapy itself but the for the Sonic therapy itself but ideally you're protecting your sleeping ideally you're protecting your sleeping ideally you're protecting your sleeping space too because that's a third of your space too because that's a third of your space too because that's a third of your life you're in the life you're in the life you're in the you know you're in bed and you're you know you're in bed and you're you know you're in bed and you're sleeping and that's a huge important sleeping and that's a huge important sleeping and that's a huge important time for recovery
52:00time for recovery time for recovery and so you can there are canopy and so you can there are canopy and so you can there are canopy providers out there that are making some providers out there that are making some providers out there that are making some cool uh products you can also buy cool uh products you can also buy cool uh products you can also buy shielding paint basically some shielding paint basically some shielding paint basically some carbon-based shielding paints that carbon-based shielding paints that carbon-based shielding paints that basically block cell phone signal and basically block cell phone signal and basically block cell phone signal and you that's more elaborate and more you that's more elaborate and more you that's more elaborate and more involved but it's just like optimizing involved but it's just like optimizing involved but it's just like optimizing your workspace like we talked about your workspace like we talked about your workspace like we talked about earlier optimizing your sleeping spaces earlier optimizing your sleeping spaces earlier optimizing your sleeping spaces so so it has it has it has so much return on investment and so so much return on investment and so so much return on investment and so there are solutions out there yes the there are solutions out there yes the there are solutions out there yes the world there's so much EMF around but world there's so much EMF around but world there's so much EMF around but those are those are those are two ways that you can really two ways that you can really two ways that you can really um bring some you know bring some very um bring some you know bring some very um bring some you know bring some very effective counter measures into effective counter measures into effective counter measures into mitigating your your exposure to EMF and mitigating your your exposure to EMF and mitigating your your exposure to EMF and the last thing I'll say is that okay the last thing I'll say is that okay the last thing I'll say is that okay well what about the EMF that I am giving well what about the EMF that I am giving well what about the EMF that I am giving during the day what about the during the day what about the during the day what about the electromagnetic toxins and toxicity electromagnetic toxins and toxicity electromagnetic toxins and toxicity that's going on from all this the stress that's going on from all this the stress that's going on from all this the stress from from the cell phone signal and the from from the cell phone signal and the from from the cell phone signal and the Wi-Fi and everything I interact with all Wi-Fi and everything I interact with all Wi-Fi and everything I interact with all day long so sauna practice and the sauna
53:00day long so sauna practice and the sauna day long so sauna practice and the sauna the therapy of the sauna reverses the therapy of the sauna reverses the therapy of the sauna reverses uh peroxy nitrite concentration it uh peroxy nitrite concentration it uh peroxy nitrite concentration it basically lowers it through the basically lowers it through the basically lowers it through the production of tetrahydrobioptera and bh4 production of tetrahydrobioptera and bh4 production of tetrahydrobioptera and bh4 it has to it's there's a couple it has to it's there's a couple it has to it's there's a couple different biological Pathways where in different biological Pathways where in different biological Pathways where in sauna basically sonotherapy sauna basically sonotherapy sauna basically sonotherapy is reversing the oxidative stress is reversing the oxidative stress is reversing the oxidative stress effects that the EMF stress is causing effects that the EMF stress is causing effects that the EMF stress is causing so we we see here very very promising so we we see here very very promising so we we see here very very promising fashion sonotherapy as a tool to detox fashion sonotherapy as a tool to detox fashion sonotherapy as a tool to detox from the electromagnetic stress too from the electromagnetic stress too from the electromagnetic stress too and to recover from it and to recover from it and to recover from it and from the from the unfortunately and from the from the unfortunately and from the from the unfortunately necessary exposure that we have every necessary exposure that we have every necessary exposure that we have every day to it one note I will add if you're day to it one note I will add if you're day to it one note I will add if you're going to go the route of hiring of going to go the route of hiring of going to go the route of hiring of retrofitting your house with a canopy or retrofitting your house with a canopy or retrofitting your house with a canopy or paint especially it might make sense to paint especially it might make sense to paint especially it might make sense to hire a building biologist to ensure that hire a building biologist to ensure that hire a building biologist to ensure that you're not trapping any sources and
54:00you're not trapping any sources and you're not trapping any sources and causing those signals to bounce around causing those signals to bounce around causing those signals to bounce around the room and possibly harm you more than the room and possibly harm you more than the room and possibly harm you more than you would be otherwise and another good you would be otherwise and another good you would be otherwise and another good resource to learn more about non-native resource to learn more about non-native resource to learn more about non-native electromagnetic fields is a book called electromagnetic fields is a book called electromagnetic fields is a book called emf'd I'm sure you're familiar with that emf'd I'm sure you're familiar with that emf'd I'm sure you're familiar with that one thing I did want to discuss was the one thing I did want to discuss was the one thing I did want to discuss was the last and final parameter of an optimal last and final parameter of an optimal last and final parameter of an optimal sauna protocol you mentioned that it's sauna protocol you mentioned that it's sauna protocol you mentioned that it's important to get the core body important to get the core body important to get the core body temperature up a couple of degrees and temperature up a couple of degrees and temperature up a couple of degrees and for an appropriate amount of time is for an appropriate amount of time is for an appropriate amount of time is that appropriate amount of time in the that appropriate amount of time in the that appropriate amount of time in the three minute range or 20 minute range or three minute range or 20 minute range or three minute range or 20 minute range or somewhere in between that's a good somewhere in between that's a good somewhere in between that's a good question uh I will say I wanted to question uh I will say I wanted to question uh I will say I wanted to mention also uh since you you said that mention also uh since you you said that mention also uh since you you said that about the building biologist that is about the building biologist that is about the building biologist that is really uh really key there's some great really uh really key there's some great really uh really key there's some great experts out there it just helps to have experts out there it just helps to have experts out there it just helps to have someone who knows what they're doing someone who knows what they're doing someone who knows what they're doing because the science of electromagnetism because the science of electromagnetism because the science of electromagnetism is tricky in terms of its mitigation and is tricky in terms of its mitigation and is tricky in terms of its mitigation and and uh and and that so especially in the
55:00and uh and and that so especially in the and uh and and that so especially in the home space and in the building spaces I home space and in the building spaces I home space and in the building spaces I actually recommend a gentleman named actually recommend a gentleman named actually recommend a gentleman named Brian Hoyer of shielded healing he's a Brian Hoyer of shielded healing he's a Brian Hoyer of shielded healing he's a an excellent ability biologist that has an excellent ability biologist that has an excellent ability biologist that has his own his own his own um um a Zone more evolved approach I think a Zone more evolved approach I think a Zone more evolved approach I think that's really fascinating so uh you can that's really fascinating so uh you can that's really fascinating so uh you can check him out for sure but check him out for sure but check him out for sure but uh to your question once you do sauna uh to your question once you do sauna uh to your question once you do sauna quite a bit you get a feel for it and quite a bit you get a feel for it and quite a bit you get a feel for it and you know you know you know when you've really gotten to that state when you've really gotten to that state when you've really gotten to that state of subjective exhaustion but of subjective exhaustion but of subjective exhaustion but if you think about it when you get in if you think about it when you get in if you think about it when you get in the sun if you get in my sauna you're the sun if you get in my sauna you're the sun if you get in my sauna you're starting out at 98.6 to turn the lights starting out at 98.6 to turn the lights starting out at 98.6 to turn the lights on sit down on sit down on sit down for the first 10 minutes for the first 10 minutes for the first 10 minutes you you only sweat lately like I'll you you only sweat lately like I'll you you only sweat lately like I'll start sweating in the first five minutes start sweating in the first five minutes start sweating in the first five minutes a little bit but the strong sweating a little bit but the strong sweating a little bit but the strong sweating doesn't come until doesn't come until doesn't come until well in the seven bulb system that I use well in the seven bulb system that I use well in the seven bulb system that I use it comes actually pretty fast about it comes actually pretty fast about it comes actually pretty fast about eight or nine minutes but if we talk eight or nine minutes but if we talk eight or nine minutes but if we talk about a four bulb system our standard about a four bulb system our standard about a four bulb system our standard offering offering offering the strong sway where there's sweat the strong sway where there's sweat the strong sway where there's sweat beating up on the skin
56:00beating up on the skin beating up on the skin starts happening in about 15 minutes starts happening in about 15 minutes starts happening in about 15 minutes or or maybe 18 minutes and so if you or or maybe 18 minutes and so if you or or maybe 18 minutes and so if you measure your body temperature at that measure your body temperature at that measure your body temperature at that point that's when you've gone up at point that's when you've gone up at point that's when you've gone up at least two degrees at least two and a least two degrees at least two and a least two degrees at least two and a half degrees and so if you keep half degrees and so if you keep half degrees and so if you keep measuring you're definitely you hit measuring you're definitely you hit measuring you're definitely you hit three degrees core temperature increase three degrees core temperature increase three degrees core temperature increase at about 18 to 20 minutes and again at about 18 to 20 minutes and again at about 18 to 20 minutes and again faster the more bulbs you use faster the more bulbs you use faster the more bulbs you use so so I on the four bulb system I would I on the four bulb system I would I on the four bulb system I would typically typically typically do a 28 minute session do a 28 minute session do a 28 minute session and in 28 minutes I will sweat out over and in 28 minutes I will sweat out over and in 28 minutes I will sweat out over a pound of water a pound of water a pound of water and I'll raise core temperature over and I'll raise core temperature over and I'll raise core temperature over three degrees three degrees three degrees now if you talk that that's a very now if you talk that that's a very now if you talk that that's a very precautionary recommendation and we want precautionary recommendation and we want precautionary recommendation and we want this to be a successful safe experience this to be a successful safe experience this to be a successful safe experience for all the different user types out for all the different user types out for all the different user types out there especially those with underlying there especially those with underlying there especially those with underlying conditions and thermoregulatory issues conditions and thermoregulatory issues conditions and thermoregulatory issues people have autoimmune issues sometimes
57:00people have autoimmune issues sometimes people have autoimmune issues sometimes have body temperature control issues and have body temperature control issues and have body temperature control issues and sensitivity sensitivity sensitivity that means that they need to use less that means that they need to use less that means that they need to use less bulbs and they do shorter durations and bulbs and they do shorter durations and bulbs and they do shorter durations and they titrate up to they titrate up to they titrate up to to sort of a normal use of four bolt for to sort of a normal use of four bolt for to sort of a normal use of four bolt for 20 or 25 minutes 20 or 25 minutes 20 or 25 minutes I'm using seven bulbs you know I'm doing I'm using seven bulbs you know I'm doing I'm using seven bulbs you know I'm doing this is like what Dr Mercola does seven this is like what Dr Mercola does seven this is like what Dr Mercola does seven or eight bulbs or eight bulbs or eight bulbs and very intense very stimulating and very intense very stimulating and very intense very stimulating session for very short period of time session for very short period of time session for very short period of time but we've we've been using sauna for but we've we've been using sauna for but we've we've been using sauna for over 10 years you know he's used it even over 10 years you know he's used it even over 10 years you know he's used it even more than me so there's an acclimation more than me so there's an acclimation more than me so there's an acclimation there that you you build up to there that you you build up to there that you you build up to so what I'm getting at is that like some so what I'm getting at is that like some so what I'm getting at is that like some people will recommend more than three people will recommend more than three people will recommend more than three degree temperature increase even four degree temperature increase even four degree temperature increase even four degrees even five degrees that could be degrees even five degrees that could be degrees even five degrees that could be dangerous for some people and you know dangerous for some people and you know dangerous for some people and you know I'm not a healthcare provider you need I'm not a healthcare provider you need I'm not a healthcare provider you need to talk to your to talk to your to talk to your your healthcare provider about soldering your healthcare provider about soldering your healthcare provider about soldering use before you use it as particularly use before you use it as particularly use before you use it as particularly uh you know if you have any any health uh you know if you have any any health uh you know if you have any any health issues or any conditions of any kind but
58:00issues or any conditions of any kind but issues or any conditions of any kind but as you use sauna it's just like anything as you use sauna it's just like anything as you use sauna it's just like anything else else else as you become healthier and you know as you become healthier and you know as you become healthier and you know yourself more yourself more yourself more and you know what you you're in tune and you know what you you're in tune and you know what you you're in tune with yourself and your feelings you know with yourself and your feelings you know with yourself and your feelings you know what's good for you you know when you've what's good for you you know when you've what's good for you you know when you've had enough and you know and you need had enough and you know and you need had enough and you know and you need more in in the things that you do and so more in in the things that you do and so more in in the things that you do and so you feel in the session you feel in the session you feel in the session you know when you've reached that point you know when you've reached that point you know when you've reached that point of subjective exhaustion and when you're of subjective exhaustion and when you're of subjective exhaustion and when you're good I've been in there and I have good I've been in there and I have good I've been in there and I have increased core temperature up by like increased core temperature up by like increased core temperature up by like five degrees or more and taking me up five degrees or more and taking me up five degrees or more and taking me up into like you know into like you know into like you know um 103 and a half even 104 degrees um 103 and a half even 104 degrees um 103 and a half even 104 degrees and some of the the cancer clinics like and some of the the cancer clinics like and some of the the cancer clinics like in Mexico and in Germany they do a in Mexico and in Germany they do a in Mexico and in Germany they do a targeted hyperthermic therapy with this targeted hyperthermic therapy with this targeted hyperthermic therapy with this like like like I don't know this kind of like acoustic I don't know this kind of like acoustic I don't know this kind of like acoustic vibration device I don't know what it is vibration device I don't know what it is vibration device I don't know what it is exactly but it's a targeted exactly but it's a targeted exactly but it's a targeted um hyperthermic you know heating therapy um hyperthermic you know heating therapy um hyperthermic you know heating therapy to the you know the targeted tissue the to the you know the targeted tissue the to the you know the targeted tissue the tissue of concern tissue of concern tissue of concern and they they uh go for 107 degrees 106
59:00and they they uh go for 107 degrees 106 and they they uh go for 107 degrees 106 degrees for a limited duration uh under degrees for a limited duration uh under degrees for a limited duration uh under this is carefully monitored you know this is carefully monitored you know this is carefully monitored you know with you know with Physicians on staff with you know with Physicians on staff with you know with Physicians on staff and nurses on staff but the body can and nurses on staff but the body can and nurses on staff but the body can actually handle all that for actually handle all that for actually handle all that for limited durations it's just when you're limited durations it's just when you're limited durations it's just when you're at home and you're doing this on your at home and you're doing this on your at home and you're doing this on your own you don't want to take a safe own you don't want to take a safe own you don't want to take a safe uh slow measured approach you know the uh slow measured approach you know the uh slow measured approach you know the turtle wins the race here turtle wins the race here turtle wins the race here so so um um the best thing to do back to your the best thing to do back to your the best thing to do back to your question is if you're totally unsure is question is if you're totally unsure is question is if you're totally unsure is to use that thermometer to use that thermometer to use that thermometer and measure yourself and so and measure yourself and so and measure yourself and so the first time you do it don't go above the first time you do it don't go above the first time you do it don't go above three degrees temperature core three degrees temperature core three degrees temperature core temperature increase just do that and temperature increase just do that and temperature increase just do that and then weigh yourself before do measure then weigh yourself before do measure then weigh yourself before do measure with a thermometer every five minutes with a thermometer every five minutes with a thermometer every five minutes and once you hit three degree and once you hit three degree and once you hit three degree temperature increasing above your base temperature increasing above your base temperature increasing above your base get out and measure and weigh yourself
1:00get out and measure and weigh yourself get out and measure and weigh yourself and you'll see okay uh hmm and you'll see okay uh hmm and you'll see okay uh hmm you know I sweat out three quarters of a you know I sweat out three quarters of a you know I sweat out three quarters of a pound of water or maybe it was it was a pound of water or maybe it was it was a pound of water or maybe it was it was a pound or maybe it was a pound and a pound or maybe it was a pound and a pound or maybe it was a pound and a quarter and you'll see and you'll figure quarter and you'll see and you'll figure quarter and you'll see and you'll figure out what the sweet spot is for you out what the sweet spot is for you out what the sweet spot is for you but definitely but definitely but definitely the body sits there probably Nick for the body sits there probably Nick for the body sits there probably Nick for five or ten minutes after five or ten minutes after five or ten minutes after reaching a three degree temperature reaching a three degree temperature reaching a three degree temperature increase increase increase where you're in the sauna having where you're in the sauna having where you're in the sauna having elevated core temperature elevated core temperature elevated core temperature two or three degrees you're you're in two or three degrees you're you're in two or three degrees you're you're in there another five or ten minutes to there another five or ten minutes to there another five or ten minutes to have that have that have that full sweat loss that you're going for of full sweat loss that you're going for of full sweat loss that you're going for of at least one pound at least one pound at least one pound and keep in mind it was actually one to and keep in mind it was actually one to and keep in mind it was actually one to two pounds so again we're being very two pounds so again we're being very two pounds so again we're being very precautionary here but precautionary here but precautionary here but and the traditional sauna approach and the traditional sauna approach and the traditional sauna approach you're going for it's it's intense it's you're going for it's it's intense it's you're going for it's it's intense it's two pounds of water it's potentially two pounds of water it's potentially two pounds of water it's potentially over three degree core temperature over three degree core temperature over three degree core temperature increase increase and in some protocols they're doing that and in some protocols they're doing that and in some protocols they're doing that twice a day twice a day twice a day now I'm curious about about how much my
1:01now I'm curious about about how much my now I'm curious about about how much my core attempt changes but it's good to core attempt changes but it's good to core attempt changes but it's good to know that it's less about the duration know that it's less about the duration know that it's less about the duration and getting an exact amount of duration and getting an exact amount of duration and getting an exact amount of duration of how long your core temperature is of how long your core temperature is of how long your core temperature is over three or four minutes and more over three or four minutes and more over three or four minutes and more based off just measuring the two other based off just measuring the two other based off just measuring the two other things that we discussed your uh amount things that we discussed your uh amount things that we discussed your uh amount of sweat and how much water you lose uh of sweat and how much water you lose uh of sweat and how much water you lose uh and what was the other one the and what was the other one the and what was the other one the subjective exhaustion yeah yeah yeah subjective exhaustion yeah yeah yeah subjective exhaustion yeah yeah yeah yeah but that's just a you know that's a yeah but that's just a you know that's a yeah but that's just a you know that's a judgment call that you make but I I like judgment call that you make but I I like judgment call that you make but I I like the the measuring the the weight loss the the measuring the the weight loss the the measuring the the weight loss and that's the sweat you sweat out and and that's the sweat you sweat out and and that's the sweat you sweat out and measuring the core temperature increase measuring the core temperature increase measuring the core temperature increase with the thermometer because it with the thermometer because it with the thermometer because it demystifies demystifies demystifies the sauna session this is how Asana the sauna session this is how Asana the sauna session this is how Asana session is session is session is and it's not about duration because in and it's not about duration because in and it's not about duration because in in the in my sauna when you're using in the in my sauna when you're using in the in my sauna when you're using incandescent light to heat the body incandescent light to heat the body incandescent light to heat the body you're achieving that in 25 minutes 20 you're achieving that in 25 minutes 20 you're achieving that in 25 minutes 20 minutes if you're using a farm fret song minutes if you're using a farm fret song minutes if you're using a farm fret song you're going to preheat it for an hour you're going to preheat it for an hour you're going to preheat it for an hour and then spend an hour in there to and then spend an hour in there to and then spend an hour in there to achieve achieve achieve a similar core temperature increase in a
1:02a similar core temperature increase in a a similar core temperature increase in a finished sauna even in a in a wet you finished sauna even in a in a wet you finished sauna even in a in a wet you know like a steamed bath sauna you still know like a steamed bath sauna you still know like a steamed bath sauna you still spend twice the amount of time spend twice the amount of time spend twice the amount of time to to achieve the same outcome of this to to achieve the same outcome of this to to achieve the same outcome of this much sweat loss and this much much sweat loss and this much much sweat loss and this much um core temperature increase um core temperature increase um core temperature increase so those are the outcomes to measure so those are the outcomes to measure so those are the outcomes to measure because it doesn't matter how hot the because it doesn't matter how hot the because it doesn't matter how hot the heat source is you could be in a hot tub heat source is you could be in a hot tub heat source is you could be in a hot tub you could be in a in a hot pool you know you could be in a in a hot pool you know you could be in a in a hot pool you know in a hot spring what matters is what is in a hot spring what matters is what is in a hot spring what matters is what is this what is the outcome this what is the outcome this what is the outcome what is the result in the uh in the what is the result in the uh in the what is the result in the uh in the effect on the human body effect on the human body effect on the human body the temperature increase and the sweat the temperature increase and the sweat the temperature increase and the sweat loss and that's where we see loss and that's where we see loss and that's where we see that's where we're getting the results that's where we're getting the results that's where we're getting the results of the sauna and I say that too because of the sauna and I say that too because of the sauna and I say that too because there's there's so many different sauna there's there's so many different sauna there's there's so many different sauna Technologies you can choose I think it's Technologies you can choose I think it's Technologies you can choose I think it's most most most um it's it's the smartest way to use the um it's it's the smartest way to use the um it's it's the smartest way to use the most efficient one and the safest one most efficient one and the safest one most efficient one and the safest one you know without the emfs and with the you know without the emfs and with the you know without the emfs and with the light therapy but light therapy but light therapy but in that's in the review article the Dr in that's in the review article the Dr in that's in the review article the Dr Patrick review article there's a mention Patrick review article there's a mention Patrick review article there's a mention of
1:03of of uh impressive thermoregulatory outcomes uh impressive thermoregulatory outcomes uh impressive thermoregulatory outcomes and cardiovascular outcomes that were and cardiovascular outcomes that were and cardiovascular outcomes that were identified in studies using sauna suits identified in studies using sauna suits identified in studies using sauna suits with athletes where they just basically with athletes where they just basically with athletes where they just basically wore these like wore these like wore these like tinfoil suits while they worked out tinfoil suits while they worked out tinfoil suits while they worked out and they measured and they were getting and they measured and they were getting and they measured and they were getting this heat therapy by having the heat this heat therapy by having the heat this heat therapy by having the heat held in and trapped in and they were held in and trapped in and they were held in and trapped in and they were getting amazing results and so you see getting amazing results and so you see getting amazing results and so you see across the board the technology doesn't across the board the technology doesn't across the board the technology doesn't really matter what matters is really matter what matters is really matter what matters is have we heated the body up have we have we heated the body up have we have we heated the body up have we provoked a sweat provoked a sweat provoked a sweat and then are we doing that passively and and then are we doing that passively and and then are we doing that passively and then that state of suggestive exhaustion then that state of suggestive exhaustion then that state of suggestive exhaustion is that third thing that is harder to is that third thing that is harder to is that third thing that is harder to measure but it's something that as you measure but it's something that as you measure but it's something that as you you sign over time you get a sensitivity you sign over time you get a sensitivity you sign over time you get a sensitivity over that and yeah the more you can stay over that and yeah the more you can stay over that and yeah the more you can stay in just a few minutes when it feels in just a few minutes when it feels in just a few minutes when it feels uncomfortable uncomfortable uncomfortable you know the the increased feelings of you know the the increased feelings of you know the the increased feelings of elation and and so forth you have elation and and so forth you have elation and and so forth you have afterward yeah Brian I know you have to afterward yeah Brian I know you have to afterward yeah Brian I know you have to run in a few minutes but really quickly
1:04run in a few minutes but really quickly run in a few minutes but really quickly can you just shotgun a bunch of the can you just shotgun a bunch of the can you just shotgun a bunch of the different benefits of sauna usage you've different benefits of sauna usage you've different benefits of sauna usage you've mentioned growth hormone and other mentioned growth hormone and other mentioned growth hormone and other anabolic hormones you've mentioned sleep anabolic hormones you've mentioned sleep anabolic hormones you've mentioned sleep recovery uh enhancing cognition even recovery uh enhancing cognition even recovery uh enhancing cognition even and if there's a resource you want to and if there's a resource you want to and if there's a resource you want to direct people to whether on your website direct people to whether on your website direct people to whether on your website or otherwise that has a good compilation or otherwise that has a good compilation or otherwise that has a good compilation of all these that works too yeah I'm on of all these that works too yeah I'm on of all these that works too yeah I'm on my website on sauna.space you can go my website on sauna.space you can go my website on sauna.space you can go under the learn under the learn under the learn section in the menu and and click on section in the menu and and click on section in the menu and and click on health benefits you can also click on health benefits you can also click on health benefits you can also click on uh some of the other learn pages and uh some of the other learn pages and uh some of the other learn pages and learn about the science of sauna and of learn about the science of sauna and of learn about the science of sauna and of Life therapy and but particularly in Life therapy and but particularly in Life therapy and but particularly in terms of the health benefits real rapid terms of the health benefits real rapid terms of the health benefits real rapid fire yes the ones you mentioned sleep fire yes the ones you mentioned sleep fire yes the ones you mentioned sleep improved blood Ox tissue oxygenation improved blood Ox tissue oxygenation improved blood Ox tissue oxygenation improve improved blood circulation improve improved blood circulation improve improved blood circulation um it sonotherapy and light therapy both um it sonotherapy and light therapy both um it sonotherapy and light therapy both promote promote promote um a regeneration and an improved uh
1:05um a regeneration and an improved uh um a regeneration and an improved uh vascular distribution so it makes your vascular distribution so it makes your vascular distribution so it makes your blood vessels bigger with thicker walls blood vessels bigger with thicker walls blood vessels bigger with thicker walls and it promotes growth of new blood and it promotes growth of new blood and it promotes growth of new blood vessels and tissues that in all tissues vessels and tissues that in all tissues vessels and tissues that in all tissues across the body across the body across the body it increases bdnf production brain it increases bdnf production brain it increases bdnf production brain derived neurotrophic factor which derived neurotrophic factor which derived neurotrophic factor which presumably leads to the improved presumably leads to the improved presumably leads to the improved cognitive function you get from sauna cognitive function you get from sauna cognitive function you get from sauna and from actually light therapy too but and from actually light therapy too but and from actually light therapy too but the bdnf is from sonotherapy the bdnf is from sonotherapy the bdnf is from sonotherapy so improved cognitive function means so improved cognitive function means so improved cognitive function means improved recall improved decision making improved recall improved decision making improved recall improved decision making improved improved improved like task management and doing uh like task management and doing uh like task management and doing uh there's interesting studies with light there's interesting studies with light there's interesting studies with light therapy where you're doing non-routine therapy where you're doing non-routine therapy where you're doing non-routine tasks and your performance and tasks and your performance and tasks and your performance and non-routine task improves post uh non-routine task improves post uh non-routine task improves post uh photovio modulation photovio modulation photovio modulation you also have immune modulation benefits you also have immune modulation benefits you also have immune modulation benefits from both sauna and from and from the from both sauna and from and from the from both sauna and from and from the from the light therapy and that means from the light therapy and that means from the light therapy and that means it's making your sauna your excuse me it's making your sauna your excuse me it's making your sauna your excuse me your immune system work better your immune system work better your immune system work better it's programming your immune system to
1:06it's programming your immune system to it's programming your immune system to respond faster and then respond faster and then respond faster and then um reform and go back to the way it was um reform and go back to the way it was um reform and go back to the way it was faster to avoid cytokine storm and faster to avoid cytokine storm and faster to avoid cytokine storm and autoimmune you know type of responses so autoimmune you know type of responses so autoimmune you know type of responses so literally the sauna is literally the sauna is literally the sauna is um um inducing what your body does inducing what your body does inducing what your body does artificially inducing its own artificially inducing its own artificially inducing its own hyperthermic State when it when it hyperthermic State when it when it hyperthermic State when it when it induces a fever to fight off pathogens induces a fever to fight off pathogens induces a fever to fight off pathogens you're doing the same thing there so you're doing the same thing there so you're doing the same thing there so um talk about a huge boost to your um talk about a huge boost to your um talk about a huge boost to your immune function and I think that's immune function and I think that's immune function and I think that's really relevant nowadays but definitely really relevant nowadays but definitely really relevant nowadays but definitely the reduced all-cause mortality the the reduced all-cause mortality the the reduced all-cause mortality the reduced risk of dying of all things and reduced risk of dying of all things and reduced risk of dying of all things and so many chronic diseases have been so many chronic diseases have been so many chronic diseases have been discussed in the literature reduction in discussed in the literature reduction in discussed in the literature reduction in dementia reduction in Parkinson's dementia reduction in Parkinson's dementia reduction in Parkinson's reduction in in Alzheimer's we see a reduction in in Alzheimer's we see a reduction in in Alzheimer's we see a reduction in risk of stroke and then reduction in risk of stroke and then reduction in risk of stroke and then with light therapy we see with light therapy we see with light therapy we see so many things as well like so many things as well like so many things as well like um accelerated wound and muscle healing um accelerated wound and muscle healing um accelerated wound and muscle healing um cell regeneration production of um cell regeneration production of um cell regeneration production of collagen so improved you know collagen so improved you know
1:07collagen so improved you know functioning of of the skin tissue and functioning of of the skin tissue and functioning of of the skin tissue and the look and the feel of the skin tissue the look and the feel of the skin tissue the look and the feel of the skin tissue um the light therapy also has those um the light therapy also has those um the light therapy also has those improved cognitive function benefits as improved cognitive function benefits as improved cognitive function benefits as well that overlap even though they're well that overlap even though they're well that overlap even though they're they're doing so in different ways light they're doing so in different ways light they're doing so in different ways light therapy has anti-aging benefits because therapy has anti-aging benefits because therapy has anti-aging benefits because it improves your Gene transcription it improves your Gene transcription it improves your Gene transcription Factor processes and how your blueprint Factor processes and how your blueprint Factor processes and how your blueprint of your cell is is read of your cell is is read of your cell is is read um there's you know and there's there's um there's you know and there's there's um there's you know and there's there's more things than that too like the sleep more things than that too like the sleep more things than that too like the sleep that you said that's more from the sauna that you said that's more from the sauna that you said that's more from the sauna um um the the light therapy has neuro a lot of the the light therapy has neuro a lot of the the light therapy has neuro a lot of Neuropsychiatric benefits and so does Neuropsychiatric benefits and so does Neuropsychiatric benefits and so does sauna in terms of improving move helping sauna in terms of improving move helping sauna in terms of improving move helping with depression and anxiety and with depression and anxiety and with depression and anxiety and um indecisiveness and negativity um indecisiveness and negativity um indecisiveness and negativity um um really fascinating how the two you know really fascinating how the two you know really fascinating how the two you know continue to overlap in in their own ways continue to overlap in in their own ways continue to overlap in in their own ways but Sana uh has that benefit from but Sana uh has that benefit from but Sana uh has that benefit from detoxing from from emfs but it also has detoxing from from emfs but it also has detoxing from from emfs but it also has a benefit in
1:08a benefit in a benefit in sort of these more nebulous more challenging to deal with chronic more challenging to deal with chronic issues like chronic fatigue and issues like chronic fatigue and issues like chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia and things like that and fibromyalgia and things like that and fibromyalgia and things like that and saw because sauna saw because sauna saw because sauna one thing we didn't talk about it's one thing we didn't talk about it's one thing we didn't talk about it's important to mention here at the end is important to mention here at the end is important to mention here at the end is that sauna doesn't just detox you it that sauna doesn't just detox you it that sauna doesn't just detox you it produces heat shock proteins and they produces heat shock proteins and they produces heat shock proteins and they help they help the body the cells detox help they help the body the cells detox help they help the body the cells detox but they also but they also but they also improve the functioning of proteins improve the functioning of proteins improve the functioning of proteins around them because they refold around them because they refold around them because they refold misfolded proteins so the heat shock misfolded proteins so the heat shock misfolded proteins so the heat shock proteins are like these little repairmen proteins are like these little repairmen proteins are like these little repairmen that go and fix misfolded proteins that go and fix misfolded proteins that go and fix misfolded proteins inside and outside of the cell which inside and outside of the cell which inside and outside of the cell which improves protein function and enzyme improves protein function and enzyme improves protein function and enzyme function which has cellular and tissue function which has cellular and tissue function which has cellular and tissue and systemic effects like improving the and systemic effects like improving the and systemic effects like improving the folding of the insulin receptor uh folding of the insulin receptor uh folding of the insulin receptor uh protein moity outside of the cell protein moity outside of the cell protein moity outside of the cell improves insulin signaling which reduces improves insulin signaling which reduces improves insulin signaling which reduces insulin resistance so here you have the insulin resistance so here you have the insulin resistance so here you have the sauna having
1:09sauna having sauna having a Improvement in the hormonal system of a Improvement in the hormonal system of a Improvement in the hormonal system of the body the master communication system the body the master communication system the body the master communication system of the body that has of the body that has of the body that has so many um you know it has a just a so many um you know it has a just a so many um you know it has a just a Cascade of different benefits and all Cascade of different benefits and all Cascade of different benefits and all sorts all sorts of of diseases and all sorts all sorts of of diseases and all sorts all sorts of of diseases and all things that that people deal with most things that that people deal with most things that that people deal with most people are insulin resistant to a people are insulin resistant to a people are insulin resistant to a certain degree and most of the proteins certain degree and most of the proteins certain degree and most of the proteins like in the body are not folded right like in the body are not folded right like in the body are not folded right even it's presumed that like 20 or 30 even it's presumed that like 20 or 30 even it's presumed that like 20 or 30 percent of the proteins as they're made percent of the proteins as they're made percent of the proteins as they're made out of the ribosome are already out of the ribosome are already out of the ribosome are already misfolded misfolded misfolded so the body clearly has this built-in so the body clearly has this built-in so the body clearly has this built-in corrective system corrective system corrective system to constantly fix those if you're doing to constantly fix those if you're doing to constantly fix those if you're doing sauna if you're getting uh you know some sauna if you're getting uh you know some sauna if you're getting uh you know some kind of frequent heat shock therapy kind of frequent heat shock therapy kind of frequent heat shock therapy so it all makes sense to do sauna and so it all makes sense to do sauna and so it all makes sense to do sauna and the same thing with the light there but the same thing with the light there but the same thing with the light there but getting a lot of Sun every day and if we getting a lot of Sun every day and if we getting a lot of Sun every day and if we can't get that then then this firelight can't get that then then this firelight can't get that then then this firelight spectrum is the next best thing spectrum is the next best thing spectrum is the next best thing particularly with the Melatonin particularly with the Melatonin particularly with the Melatonin production that we threw in the production that we threw in the production that we threw in the beginning it's not just the healing beginning it's not just the healing beginning it's not just the healing benefits of stimulating the mitochondria benefits of stimulating the mitochondria benefits of stimulating the mitochondria it's also
1:10it's also it's also the nearford light produces or cause and the nearford light produces or cause and the nearford light produces or cause and stimulates the cell to produce the stimulates the cell to produce the stimulates the cell to produce the body's number one antioxidant melatonin body's number one antioxidant melatonin body's number one antioxidant melatonin at the cell and most of the melatonin in at the cell and most of the melatonin in at the cell and most of the melatonin in the body is in the cellul is at the the body is in the cellul is at the the body is in the cellul is at the cellular level it's not in the pineal cellular level it's not in the pineal cellular level it's not in the pineal gland gland gland so it's so it's a basic a basic a basic corrective system of a basic corrective system of a basic corrective system of a basic anti-oxidative system anti-oxidative system anti-oxidative system that all you have to do is shine this that all you have to do is shine this that all you have to do is shine this this neo4 light on on the tissues and this neo4 light on on the tissues and this neo4 light on on the tissues and they do this they do this they do this but but if we don't have it you know we quickly if we don't have it you know we quickly if we don't have it you know we quickly we quickly degrade and suffer I like the we quickly degrade and suffer I like the we quickly degrade and suffer I like the description of heat shock proteins being description of heat shock proteins being description of heat shock proteins being little repairmen little repairmen little repairmen yeah they really are and they're in yeah they really are and they're in yeah they really are and they're in their dormant at a resting body their dormant at a resting body their dormant at a resting body temperature temperature temperature so for not heating the body up some way so for not heating the body up some way so for not heating the body up some way and exercise does it too but and exercise does it too but and exercise does it too but when we do sauna we when we do sauna we when we do sauna we are activating all these healing systems are activating all these healing systems are activating all these healing systems including the heat shock proteins and including the heat shock proteins and including the heat shock proteins and we're not using any energy for we're not using any energy for we're not using any energy for locomotion we're instead using all this
1:11locomotion we're instead using all this locomotion we're instead using all this extra energy and resources in the cells extra energy and resources in the cells extra energy and resources in the cells for healing and repair for healing and repair for healing and repair and a real and cell optimization and and a real and cell optimization and and a real and cell optimization and that's what it's all about nowadays like that's what it's all about nowadays like that's what it's all about nowadays like longevity and and real Wellness is all longevity and and real Wellness is all longevity and and real Wellness is all about re-optimization of cellular about re-optimization of cellular about re-optimization of cellular function function function yeah to clarify one thing you mentioned yeah to clarify one thing you mentioned yeah to clarify one thing you mentioned several times now Brian you keep talking several times now Brian you keep talking several times now Brian you keep talking about both the benefits of red light about both the benefits of red light about both the benefits of red light therapy and visible light and then also therapy and visible light and then also therapy and visible light and then also of the infrared and are you saying that of the infrared and are you saying that of the infrared and are you saying that the near infrared since it sits between the near infrared since it sits between the near infrared since it sits between the two in terms of spectrum that you the two in terms of spectrum that you the two in terms of spectrum that you get some of the benefits of each when I get some of the benefits of each when I get some of the benefits of each when I have to mention light therapy during our have to mention light therapy during our have to mention light therapy during our conversation I'm specifically referring conversation I'm specifically referring conversation I'm specifically referring to to photobiomodulation so red light and near photobiomodulation so red light and near photobiomodulation so red light and near Fred light yeah 600 to a thousand Fred light yeah 600 to a thousand Fred light yeah 600 to a thousand nanometer wavelengths is the light band nanometer wavelengths is the light band nanometer wavelengths is the light band that is absorbed by the cytochrome C the that is absorbed by the cytochrome C the that is absorbed by the cytochrome C the light receptor enzyme on the light receptor enzyme on the light receptor enzyme on the mitochondria so when I say light therapy
1:12mitochondria so when I say light therapy mitochondria so when I say light therapy as this sort of catch-all term it's as this sort of catch-all term it's as this sort of catch-all term it's visible red light and visible red light and visible red light and half of the near infrared light band the half of the near infrared light band the half of the near infrared light band the higher frequency portion that's next to higher frequency portion that's next to higher frequency portion that's next to Red that stimulates the mitochondrial Red that stimulates the mitochondrial Red that stimulates the mitochondrial response that is the photobiomodulation response that is the photobiomodulation response that is the photobiomodulation the light controlling biology that is the light controlling biology that is the light controlling biology that is the light therapy so red light and the light therapy so red light and the light therapy so red light and and the higher frequency near infrared and the higher frequency near infrared and the higher frequency near infrared light light 600 to 1000 nanometers respect you know 600 to 1000 nanometers respect you know 600 to 1000 nanometers respect you know across that band across that band across that band they all do the same thing they're they all do the same thing they're they all do the same thing they're absorbed by the mitochondria and they absorbed by the mitochondria and they absorbed by the mitochondria and they have these have these have these these effects on them that are called these effects on them that are called these effects on them that are called mitochondrial functions or mitochondrial mitochondrial functions or mitochondrial mitochondrial functions or mitochondrial stimulation effects stimulation effects stimulation effects however however however due to the difference in tissue due to the difference in tissue due to the difference in tissue penetration penetration penetration red light therapy doesn't do anything red light therapy doesn't do anything red light therapy doesn't do anything deep into the body red light therapy red deep into the body red light therapy red deep into the body red light therapy red light wavelengths don't penetrate deeply light wavelengths don't penetrate deeply light wavelengths don't penetrate deeply into the body they don't penetrate bone into the body they don't penetrate bone into the body they don't penetrate bone tissue for example tissue for example tissue for example so if you want to do so if you want to do so if you want to do photobiomodulation light therapy
1:13photobiomodulation light therapy photobiomodulation light therapy on your brain or on your deep internal on your brain or on your deep internal on your brain or on your deep internal organs organs organs you red light wavelengths are useless you red light wavelengths are useless you red light wavelengths are useless they don't get in deep only near Freud they don't get in deep only near Freud they don't get in deep only near Freud wave like stew that's why when we look wave like stew that's why when we look wave like stew that's why when we look at the Sun and we see that 40 percent of at the Sun and we see that 40 percent of at the Sun and we see that 40 percent of the sun spectrally is near infrared the sun spectrally is near infrared the sun spectrally is near infrared wavelengths in terms of if you measure wavelengths in terms of if you measure wavelengths in terms of if you measure the sun spectrum and you look at the the sun spectrum and you look at the the sun spectrum and you look at the area under the curve that's in the near area under the curve that's in the near area under the curve that's in the near infrared band it's 40 percent but if you infrared band it's 40 percent but if you infrared band it's 40 percent but if you recall what I said at the beginning of recall what I said at the beginning of recall what I said at the beginning of our conversation was that in terms of our conversation was that in terms of our conversation was that in terms of photons per second experienced photons per second experienced photons per second experienced our bodies are getting 70 percent near our bodies are getting 70 percent near our bodies are getting 70 percent near infrared infrared infrared from the Sun and the reason for that is from the Sun and the reason for that is from the Sun and the reason for that is because near infrared light is because near infrared light is because near infrared light is penetrating four to five inches into the penetrating four to five inches into the penetrating four to five inches into the body on average body on average body on average so if we think of all the cells and so if we think of all the cells and so if we think of all the cells and across the cross-section of our entire across the cross-section of our entire across the cross-section of our entire body that are absorbing light from the body that are absorbing light from the body that are absorbing light from the Sun every moment that you're in front of Sun every moment that you're in front of Sun every moment that you're in front of the sun if you were completely naked the sun if you were completely naked the sun if you were completely naked 70 of the absorption is 70 of the absorption is 70 of the absorption is of near-infrared photons of near-infrared photons of near-infrared photons and a very very much lesser amount is
1:14and a very very much lesser amount is and a very very much lesser amount is red light blue light ultraviolet and red light blue light ultraviolet and red light blue light ultraviolet and every other light and and mitted for red every other light and and mitted for red every other light and and mitted for red and far infrared so and far infrared so and far infrared so when I refer to light therapy it's when I refer to light therapy it's when I refer to light therapy it's referring to red and ear for red but the referring to red and ear for red but the referring to red and ear for red but the bulbs that we use the thermal eye bulbs bulbs that we use the thermal eye bulbs bulbs that we use the thermal eye bulbs and what we focus on is we're near and what we focus on is we're near and what we focus on is we're near infrared Centric it's a small amount of infrared Centric it's a small amount of infrared Centric it's a small amount of red that our ICS but it's primarily a red that our ICS but it's primarily a red that our ICS but it's primarily a larger majority amount of near for red larger majority amount of near for red larger majority amount of near for red that our lives don't see and they do do that our lives don't see and they do do that our lives don't see and they do do the same thing to the mitochondria but the same thing to the mitochondria but the same thing to the mitochondria but because neo-fred goes in deeper only because neo-fred goes in deeper only because neo-fred goes in deeper only near Fred light is near Fred light is near Fred light is you know is really effective for for you know is really effective for for you know is really effective for for dealing with the brain and the internal dealing with the brain and the internal dealing with the brain and the internal organs of the body and they all need organs of the body and they all need organs of the body and they all need that so that so that so near ferret is is more essential than near ferret is is more essential than near ferret is is more essential than red and getting in deep and doing that red and getting in deep and doing that red and getting in deep and doing that this amazing stuff to the deepest this amazing stuff to the deepest this amazing stuff to the deepest tissues of the body tissues of the body tissues of the body um the only visible light portion of um the only visible light portion of um the only visible light portion of that is red that is red that is red in terms of uh there's certainly there in terms of uh there's certainly there in terms of uh there's certainly there are light we have light receptors for
1:15are light we have light receptors for are light we have light receptors for other wavelengths of light we have light other wavelengths of light we have light other wavelengths of light we have light receptors for blue light receptors for blue light receptors for blue light you know in our eyes and in our gut you know in our eyes and in our gut you know in our eyes and in our gut actually and in our brains actually and in our brains actually and in our brains but that's an entirely different biology but that's an entirely different biology but that's an entirely different biology and it's not really and it's not really and it's not really it's not so much about cellular it's not so much about cellular it's not so much about cellular reopterization and healing or or you reopterization and healing or or you reopterization and healing or or you know or or sort of react you know these know or or sort of react you know these know or or sort of react you know these sort of healing things sort of healing things sort of healing things blue light is more about the Circadian blue light is more about the Circadian blue light is more about the Circadian rhythm which is important an important rhythm which is important an important rhythm which is important an important part of our health blue light stimulus part of our health blue light stimulus part of our health blue light stimulus during the day promotes uh melatonin during the day promotes uh melatonin during the day promotes uh melatonin production in the pineal gland production in the pineal gland production in the pineal gland and then after the sun sets that's and then after the sun sets that's and then after the sun sets that's released to the brain clock and that released to the brain clock and that released to the brain clock and that tells your body to go to sleep tells your body to go to sleep tells your body to go to sleep so if we you know we want that exposure so if we you know we want that exposure so if we you know we want that exposure but even again last thing is like we're but even again last thing is like we're but even again last thing is like we're out in the sun we're getting this blue out in the sun we're getting this blue out in the sun we're getting this blue light we're getting ultraviolet light light we're getting ultraviolet light light we're getting ultraviolet light dose dependent which is good dose dependent which is good dose dependent which is good but seventy percent of what we're but seventy percent of what we're but seventy percent of what we're getting while we're getting ultraviolet getting while we're getting ultraviolet getting while we're getting ultraviolet blue is actually near infrared blue is actually near infrared blue is actually near infrared there's a simulating mitochondrial there's a simulating mitochondrial there's a simulating mitochondrial functions structuring the water of the
1:16functions structuring the water of the functions structuring the water of the body body um stimulating melatonin cellular um stimulating melatonin cellular um stimulating melatonin cellular melatonin production melatonin production melatonin production and doing really the the and doing really the the and doing really the the grunt work doing the the the large grunt work doing the the the large grunt work doing the the the large majority portion of the benefit that we majority portion of the benefit that we majority portion of the benefit that we get from the Sun and it's it's kind of get from the Sun and it's it's kind of get from the Sun and it's it's kind of not as well recognized because we don't not as well recognized because we don't not as well recognized because we don't see it you know it's infrared we see it you know it's infrared we see it you know it's infrared we you know it feels good and we feel good you know it feels good and we feel good you know it feels good and we feel good it's all the talk with the sun is all it's all the talk with the sun is all it's all the talk with the sun is all about ultraviolet and blue and and stuff about ultraviolet and blue and and stuff about ultraviolet and blue and and stuff but it's all about neo4 red that's the but it's all about neo4 red that's the but it's all about neo4 red that's the magic wavelength bad and the more we magic wavelength bad and the more we magic wavelength bad and the more we study it the more we understand this so study it the more we understand this so study it the more we understand this so uh very fasting I agree we could talk uh very fasting I agree we could talk uh very fasting I agree we could talk for hours but our time is rapidly for hours but our time is rapidly for hours but our time is rapidly winding down we're already a little bit winding down we're already a little bit winding down we're already a little bit over if people are interested in over if people are interested in over if people are interested in connecting with you and trying out sauna connecting with you and trying out sauna connecting with you and trying out sauna space how do they go about that uh you space how do they go about that uh you space how do they go about that uh you can check us out on solid.space that's can check us out on solid.space that's can check us out on solid.space that's our website a lot of learned stuff all our website a lot of learned stuff all our website a lot of learned stuff all of our products are on there and our of our products are on there and our of our products are on there and our story and uh you know our customer story and uh you know our customer story and uh you know our customer service is available you know every day
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