Harnessing the Power of Cold: A Guide to Deliberate Cold Exposure for Health and Longevity - Full Transcript

00:00all right welcome to the podcast I'm all right welcome to the podcast I'm your host Nick Caputo I'm here with Tom your host Nick Caputo I'm here with Tom your host Nick Caputo I'm here with Tom Seager and we have a lot of things to Seager and we have a lot of things to Seager and we have a lot of things to talk about in the realm of cold exposure talk about in the realm of cold exposure talk about in the realm of cold exposure welcome Tom very excited to meet you and welcome Tom very excited to meet you and welcome Tom very excited to meet you and to chop it up with you on this podcast to chop it up with you on this podcast to chop it up with you on this podcast episode welcome it's a pleasure to be episode welcome it's a pleasure to be episode welcome it's a pleasure to be here thanks for inviting me Nick for here thanks for inviting me Nick for here thanks for inviting me Nick for sure so just for some context everybody sure so just for some context everybody sure so just for some context everybody I've been following Tom for a decent I've been following Tom for a decent I've been following Tom for a decent amount of time now I'd say a little over amount of time now I'd say a little over amount of time now I'd say a little over a year maybe even closer to two years a year maybe even closer to two years a year maybe even closer to two years and I've learned a lot from his content and I've learned a lot from his content and I've learned a lot from his content about cold exposure and I'm looking about cold exposure and I'm looking about cold exposure and I'm looking forward to picking his brain on some forward to picking his brain on some forward to picking his brain on some details related to a lot of the things details related to a lot of the things details related to a lot of the things that I've seen on his Instagram as most that I've seen on his Instagram as most that I've seen on his Instagram as most of you know from me Instagram is a of you know from me Instagram is a of you know from me Instagram is a platform where you only get to say so platform where you only get to say so platform where you only get to say so much so I like the podcast format much so I like the podcast format much so I like the podcast format because we really get to go into detail because we really get to go into detail because we really get to go into detail and give you guys some serious value and give you guys some serious value and give you guys some serious value here so just an introduction for Tom Tom here so just an introduction for Tom Tom here so just an introduction for Tom Tom P Seager PhD teaches engineering P Seager PhD teaches engineering P Seager PhD teaches engineering business practices at Arizona State business practices at Arizona State business practices at Arizona State University and is a co-founder of the University and is a co-founder of the University and is a co-founder of the morasco forge ice bath company Dr seagar morasco forge ice bath company Dr seagar morasco forge ice bath company Dr seagar earned his PhD in environmental earned his PhD in environmental earned his PhD in environmental engineering at Clarkson University in

01:00engineering at Clarkson University in engineering at Clarkson University in potam New York he published over 180 potam New York he published over 180 potam New York he published over 180 research articles he's been cited in research articles he's been cited in research articles he's been cited in scientific journals over 8,000 times and scientific journals over 8,000 times and scientific journals over 8,000 times and has won over $5 million in research has won over $5 million in research has won over $5 million in research funding from the National Science funding from the National Science funding from the National Science Foundation us Environmental Protection Foundation us Environmental Protection Foundation us Environmental Protection Agency and the US Department of Defense Agency and the US Department of Defense Agency and the US Department of Defense his expertise in resilient his expertise in resilient his expertise in resilient infrastructure systems and environmental infrastructure systems and environmental infrastructure systems and environmental sustainability has made him a popular sustainability has made him a popular sustainability has made him a popular speaker and a consultant to the Army speaker and a consultant to the Army speaker and a consultant to the Army Corp of Engineers and the Office of Corp of Engineers and the Office of Corp of Engineers and the Office of Naval Research nonetheless Dr procedures Naval Research nonetheless Dr procedures Naval Research nonetheless Dr procedures teachings in leadership entrepreneurship teachings in leadership entrepreneurship teachings in leadership entrepreneurship organizational communication and human organizational communication and human organizational communication and human resilience have prompted him to resilience have prompted him to resilience have prompted him to reorganize his career around a novel reorganize his career around a novel reorganize his career around a novel concept called self- actual Engineering concept called self- actual Engineering concept called self- actual Engineering in which he applies engineering in which he applies engineering in which he applies engineering principles to a fuller realization of principles to a fuller realization of principles to a fuller realization of human potential informed by his own human potential informed by his own human potential informed by his own transformational health Journey Dr transformational health Journey Dr transformational health Journey Dr seager's most recent research reveals seager's most recent research reveals seager's most recent research reveals the relationship between deliberate cold the relationship between deliberate cold the relationship between deliberate cold exposure and human well-being and that exposure and human well-being and that exposure and human well-being and that is what we're here to talk about is what we're here to talk about is what we're here to talk about today so I have many any questions for

02:00today so I have many any questions for today so I have many any questions for you I'm going to try to keep this you I'm going to try to keep this you I'm going to try to keep this conversation as organized as possible conversation as organized as possible conversation as organized as possible for the viewers we can go topic by topic for the viewers we can go topic by topic for the viewers we can go topic by topic I know the one that is going to be I know the one that is going to be I know the one that is going to be waiting for is the one on testosterone waiting for is the one on testosterone waiting for is the one on testosterone but I want to save that to a little bit but I want to save that to a little bit but I want to save that to a little bit later um because I want to build up to later um because I want to build up to later um because I want to build up to that so to start things off let's just that so to start things off let's just that so to start things off let's just cover the basics for people who are cover the basics for people who are cover the basics for people who are completely unfamiliar with the topic or completely unfamiliar with the topic or completely unfamiliar with the topic or anything so the first question I want to anything so the first question I want to anything so the first question I want to ask you is how would you define cold ask you is how would you define cold ask you is how would you define cold thermogenesis we see this term thrown a thermogenesis we see this term thrown a thermogenesis we see this term thrown a lot what is your what how would you lot what is your what how would you lot what is your what how would you define that that's a really good define that that's a really good define that that's a really good question um there are a bunch of content question um there are a bunch of content question um there are a bunch of content creators and they've all struggled to creators and they've all struggled to creators and they've all struggled to find a term that sets them apart from find a term that sets them apart from find a term that sets them apart from the rest so Bim Hoff you know he's the the rest so Bim Hoff you know he's the the rest so Bim Hoff you know he's the Iceman and it's all about the ice but Iceman and it's all about the ice but Iceman and it's all about the ice but when you listen to huberman he's going when you listen to huberman he's going when you listen to huberman he's going to use a phrase that I like a lot called to use a phrase that I like a lot called to use a phrase that I like a lot called deliberate cold exposure the emphasis deliberate cold exposure the emphasis deliberate cold exposure the emphasis there is on deliberate accidental cold there is on deliberate accidental cold there is on deliberate accidental cold exposure we're not looking for that but exposure we're not looking for that but exposure we're not looking for that but when you do it with int tension it makes

03:00when you do it with int tension it makes when you do it with int tension it makes all the difference in the world then you all the difference in the world then you all the difference in the world then you got Ben Greenfield who is well known for got Ben Greenfield who is well known for got Ben Greenfield who is well known for his ice baths and he uses the term cold his ice baths and he uses the term cold his ice baths and he uses the term cold thermogenesis so it doesn't take long thermogenesis so it doesn't take long thermogenesis so it doesn't take long when you're sorting through social media when you're sorting through social media when you're sorting through social media to get confused everybody's talking to get confused everybody's talking to get confused everybody's talking about the same thing with a little bit about the same thing with a little bit about the same thing with a little bit different intention or context huberman different intention or context huberman different intention or context huberman with the deliberate he's saying you with the deliberate he's saying you with the deliberate he's saying you you're after something you're working on you're after something you're working on you're after something you're working on something you have an objective something you have an objective something you have an objective um Greenfield saying cold thermogenesis um Greenfield saying cold thermogenesis um Greenfield saying cold thermogenesis he's talking activating that process in he's talking activating that process in he's talking activating that process in your body that is trying to defend your your body that is trying to defend your your body that is trying to defend your core temperature so whether you get cold core temperature so whether you get cold core temperature so whether you get cold in the air or whether you get cold in in the air or whether you get cold in in the air or whether you get cold in the water you're going to create the water you're going to create the water you're going to create primarily two systems of generating your primarily two systems of generating your primarily two systems of generating your own heat one is the muscle shivering and own heat one is the muscle shivering and own heat one is the muscle shivering and the other is activation of brown fat for the other is activation of brown fat for the other is activation of brown fat for what's called non shivering what's called non shivering what's called non shivering thermogenesis so and then Vim Vim is you thermogenesis so and then Vim Vim is you thermogenesis so and then Vim Vim is you know he gives this extreme sports sort

04:00know he gives this extreme sports sort know he gives this extreme sports sort of extreme environment Vibe and that's of extreme environment Vibe and that's of extreme environment Vibe and that's why he emphasizes the ice all of these why he emphasizes the ice all of these why he emphasizes the ice all of these things they don't really need to be things they don't really need to be things they don't really need to be distinguished from one another but it distinguished from one another but it distinguished from one another but it does depend what are you working on if does depend what are you working on if does depend what are you working on if you're working on your you're working on your you're working on your metabolism then you don't actually have metabolism then you don't actually have metabolism then you don't actually have to get that cold you don't need to be to get that cold you don't need to be to get that cold you don't need to be Vim Hoff you know need the ice most Vim Hoff you know need the ice most Vim Hoff you know need the ice most people are going to activate their fat people are going to activate their fat people are going to activate their fat Brown fat and get some of that cold Brown fat and get some of that cold Brown fat and get some of that cold thermogenesis that Ben Greenfield is thermogenesis that Ben Greenfield is thermogenesis that Ben Greenfield is talking about if the water is like in talking about if the water is like in talking about if the water is like in the the the 50s if you feel a little gas reflex like 50s if you feel a little gas reflex like 50s if you feel a little gas reflex like and you feel a little shock getting in and you feel a little shock getting in and you feel a little shock getting in you know it's cold enough for me 50s is you know it's cold enough for me 50s is you know it's cold enough for me 50s is boring like I've been doing this for so boring like I've been doing this for so boring like I've been doing this for so much that um you know if it's not 39 much that um you know if it's not 39 much that um you know if it's not 39 degrees then I could just splash around degrees then I could just splash around degrees then I could just splash around in there all day for me I really got to in there all day for me I really got to in there all day for me I really got to get into the ice bath I got to have get into the ice bath I got to have get into the ice bath I got to have those chunks of ice and part of that is

05:00those chunks of ice and part of that is those chunks of ice and part of that is because it's not just about metabolism because it's not just about metabolism because it's not just about metabolism it's also about psychology and that's it's also about psychology and that's it's also about psychology and that's where huberman the neuroscientist comes where huberman the neuroscientist comes where huberman the neuroscientist comes in when you're deliberately putting in when you're deliberately putting in when you're deliberately putting yourself into a situation that gives you yourself into a situation that gives you yourself into a situation that gives you that anxiety response you're doing more that anxiety response you're doing more that anxiety response you're doing more than activating Brown fat than um just than activating Brown fat than um just than activating Brown fat than um just revving up your metabolism you're also revving up your metabolism you're also revving up your metabolism you're also working your autonomic nervous system working your autonomic nervous system working your autonomic nervous system You're Building vagal tone you're You're Building vagal tone you're You're Building vagal tone you're improving heart rate variability You're improving heart rate variability You're improving heart rate variability You're Building psychologic iCal resilience so Building psychologic iCal resilience so Building psychologic iCal resilience so when I say they're all talking about the when I say they're all talking about the when I say they're all talking about the same things it's true but then when we same things it's true but then when we same things it's true but then when we want to tease apart um different want to tease apart um different want to tease apart um different emphases in a cold practice that's going emphases in a cold practice that's going emphases in a cold practice that's going to suggest that we do it in different to suggest that we do it in different to suggest that we do it in different ways different temperatures different ways different temperatures different ways different temperatures different durations different medium and we can durations different medium and we can durations different medium and we can talk about talk about talk about those okay wow that was a great those okay wow that was a great those okay wow that was a great explanation very thorough appreciate explanation very thorough appreciate explanation very thorough appreciate that so I definitely want to unpack some that so I definitely want to unpack some that so I definitely want to unpack some of the things that you briefly mentioned of the things that you briefly mentioned of the things that you briefly mentioned uh I already have in my outline that I

06:00uh I already have in my outline that I uh I already have in my outline that I want to go over but um I think it is want to go over but um I think it is want to go over but um I think it is interesting to note that everyone is interesting to note that everyone is interesting to note that everyone is kind of I guess talking about the same kind of I guess talking about the same kind of I guess talking about the same thing when they make you know these thing when they make you know these thing when they make you know these different terms so that that makes a lot different terms so that that makes a lot different terms so that that makes a lot of sense to me so it's good to know that of sense to me so it's good to know that of sense to me so it's good to know that everyone is kind of talking about the everyone is kind of talking about the everyone is kind of talking about the same thing however I guess it does also same thing however I guess it does also same thing however I guess it does also make sense that there's differences in make sense that there's differences in make sense that there's differences in what effect it has on you depending on what effect it has on you depending on what effect it has on you depending on how cold the water is or what your how cold the water is or what your how cold the water is or what your intentions are and I've seen some intentions are and I've seen some intentions are and I've seen some different data about that so I'm glad different data about that so I'm glad different data about that so I'm glad you clarified that right off rip I've you clarified that right off rip I've you clarified that right off rip I've seen stuff with the noradrenaline and seen stuff with the noradrenaline and seen stuff with the noradrenaline and dopamine effects of like a morning dopamine effects of like a morning dopamine effects of like a morning shower where in that study the water was shower where in that study the water was shower where in that study the water was like 57 Dees fhe or something like that like 57 Dees fhe or something like that like 57 Dees fhe or something like that so it wasn't even that cold so then I so it wasn't even that cold so then I so it wasn't even that cold so then I was thinking okay perhaps all cold was thinking okay perhaps all cold was thinking okay perhaps all cold exposure doesn't need to be that cold to exposure doesn't need to be that cold to exposure doesn't need to be that cold to get the effects but now you're saying get the effects but now you're saying get the effects but now you're saying that some other effects are actually that some other effects are actually that some other effects are actually even better if you do go in fact colder even better if you do go in fact colder even better if you do go in fact colder and I guess with tolerance you develop a and I guess with tolerance you develop a and I guess with tolerance you develop a tolerance to it and the more you do it tolerance to it and the more you do it tolerance to it and the more you do it it needs to get colder and colder to it needs to get colder and colder to it needs to get colder and colder to have the same effect exactly right you have the same effect exactly right you have the same effect exactly right you become cold acclimated your vasculature become cold acclimated your vasculature become cold acclimated your vasculature improves your vasil constriction improv

07:00improves your vasil constriction improv improves your vasil constriction improv so that's to defend yourself against the so that's to defend yourself against the so that's to defend yourself against the cold when um the smooth muscle tissue cold when um the smooth muscle tissue cold when um the smooth muscle tissue constricts around the blood vessels that constricts around the blood vessels that constricts around the blood vessels that carry blood to your extremities this is carry blood to your extremities this is carry blood to your extremities this is called Vaso constriction and it reduces called Vaso constriction and it reduces called Vaso constriction and it reduces heat losses so when you got a good heat losses so when you got a good heat losses so when you got a good healthy vascular system one of the ways healthy vascular system one of the ways healthy vascular system one of the ways your body responds to the cold is to your body responds to the cold is to your body responds to the cold is to shut down the blood circulation to the shut down the blood circulation to the shut down the blood circulation to the areas that are exposed to the cold then areas that are exposed to the cold then areas that are exposed to the cold then there's the thermogenesis is to generate there's the thermogenesis is to generate there's the thermogenesis is to generate your own heat and this is one of the your own heat and this is one of the your own heat and this is one of the distinctions between cold showers and a distinctions between cold showers and a distinctions between cold showers and a cold bath you can do a lot with cold cold bath you can do a lot with cold cold bath you can do a lot with cold showers you can get that autonomic showers you can get that autonomic showers you can get that autonomic nervous system activation you can build nervous system activation you can build nervous system activation you can build some um some some um some some um some neuroprotective hormones so you can do neuroprotective hormones so you can do neuroprotective hormones so you can do the neurotransmitters and the hormone the neurotransmitters and the hormone the neurotransmitters and the hormone you can get some of that response as you can get some of that response as you can get some of that response as well but when it comes to the well but when it comes to the well but when it comes to the vasculature partial is different than vasculature partial is different than vasculature partial is different than whole body when you're in the shower and whole body when you're in the shower and whole body when you're in the shower and you're letting the shower come on the you're letting the shower come on the you're letting the shower come on the front of you your or or maybe it's on

08:00front of you your or or maybe it's on front of you your or or maybe it's on your shoulders and your arms your body your shoulders and your arms your body your shoulders and your arms your body will shift your circulation and move will shift your circulation and move will shift your circulation and move blood to the other parts that aren't blood to the other parts that aren't blood to the other parts that aren't under the cold water this all makes under the cold water this all makes under the cold water this all makes sense your heart rate is going to sense your heart rate is going to sense your heart rate is going to respond differently to the shower than respond differently to the shower than respond differently to the shower than it will be to the whole body when you go it will be to the whole body when you go it will be to the whole body when you go up to your neck in an ice bath the only up to your neck in an ice bath the only up to your neck in an ice bath the only place for the blood to go that isn't place for the blood to go that isn't place for the blood to go that isn't cold is up in your head that can be cold is up in your head that can be cold is up in your head that can be really good and deep inside your core really good and deep inside your core really good and deep inside your core your this will activate What's called your this will activate What's called your this will activate What's called the dive reflex it'll slow your heart the dive reflex it'll slow your heart the dive reflex it'll slow your heart rate down after you get through that rate down after you get through that rate down after you get through that kind of initial 15 to 45 seconds of kind of initial 15 to 45 seconds of kind of initial 15 to 45 seconds of shock where your heart rate goes up then shock where your heart rate goes up then shock where your heart rate goes up then the dive reflex kicks in when your whole the dive reflex kicks in when your whole the dive reflex kicks in when your whole body and you go all the way down that body and you go all the way down that body and you go all the way down that never happens in the shower so I never never happens in the shower so I never never happens in the shower so I never get to that state of calm in the shower get to that state of calm in the shower get to that state of calm in the shower I hate the cold show I mean they make me I hate the cold show I mean they make me I hate the cold show I mean they make me angry and that's because the cold shower angry and that's because the cold shower angry and that's because the cold shower is GNA it's going to give you the is GNA it's going to give you the is GNA it's going to give you the adrenaline it's going to give you some adrenaline it's going to give you some adrenaline it's going to give you some that hormone response but it's never that hormone response but it's never that hormone response but it's never going to put you in that state of

09:00going to put you in that state of going to put you in that state of meditation that the whole body will be meditation that the whole body will be meditation that the whole body will be because you're always moving the blood because you're always moving the blood because you're always moving the blood around to different areas yeah that around to different areas yeah that around to different areas yeah that makes a lot of sense I can definitely makes a lot of sense I can definitely makes a lot of sense I can definitely confirm that from my experience uh the confirm that from my experience uh the confirm that from my experience uh the shower there never comes that relaxation shower there never comes that relaxation shower there never comes that relaxation point when you're in the shower it's point when you're in the shower it's point when you're in the shower it's always intense but do you think there is always intense but do you think there is always intense but do you think there is a specific and I was going to ask you a specific and I was going to ask you a specific and I was going to ask you about this anyway the difference I guess about this anyway the difference I guess about this anyway the difference I guess between the ice bath the cold pressure between the ice bath the cold pressure between the ice bath the cold pressure test which I saw you mention in one of test which I saw you mention in one of test which I saw you mention in one of your posts which is just putting the your posts which is just putting the your posts which is just putting the hands in um and like a cold shower so I hands in um and like a cold shower so I hands in um and like a cold shower so I guess you already pretty much explained guess you already pretty much explained guess you already pretty much explained that but I guess is there any benefit as that but I guess is there any benefit as that but I guess is there any benefit as opposed to going in the entire bath like opposed to going in the entire bath like opposed to going in the entire bath like is there a mechanism or a specific is there a mechanism or a specific is there a mechanism or a specific problem that you would solve by only problem that you would solve by only problem that you would solve by only doing a partial exposure or do you think doing a partial exposure or do you think doing a partial exposure or do you think no matter what fullon full body ice bath no matter what fullon full body ice bath no matter what fullon full body ice bath is better yo let me stop you real quick is better yo let me stop you real quick is better yo let me stop you real quick if you don't subscribe to the channel if you don't subscribe to the channel if you don't subscribe to the channel subscribe to the [ __ ] Channel like subscribe to the [ __ ] Channel like subscribe to the [ __ ] Channel like the video comment something you've the video comment something you've the video comment something you've learned so far and hit the notification learned so far and hit the notification learned so far and hit the notification Bell so you don't miss the next episode Bell so you don't miss the next episode Bell so you don't miss the next episode of this podcast that's it back to the of this podcast that's it back to the of this podcast that's it back to the show the problem you solve when you're show the problem you solve when you're show the problem you solve when you're going partial um is that you don't have going partial um is that you don't have going partial um is that you don't have to pay for a whole ice B like I mean to pay for a whole ice B like I mean to pay for a whole ice B like I mean when you're just getting started I if

10:00when you're just getting started I if when you're just getting started I if I'm in Phoenix and right now the tap I'm in Phoenix and right now the tap I'm in Phoenix and right now the tap water is like 90 degrees fenhe there's water is like 90 degrees fenhe there's water is like 90 degrees fenhe there's no such thing as a cold shower for me no such thing as a cold shower for me no such thing as a cold shower for me but when you're just getting started you but when you're just getting started you but when you're just getting started you want to try something inexpensive you want to try something inexpensive you want to try something inexpensive you want to try something easy you want to want to try something easy you want to want to try something easy you want to see hey what is it like when I do this see hey what is it like when I do this see hey what is it like when I do this so you might be on wellwater or maybe so you might be on wellwater or maybe so you might be on wellwater or maybe you're up north and you say I'll try a you're up north and you say I'll try a you're up north and you say I'll try a cold shower the problem that you're cold shower the problem that you're cold shower the problem that you're solving is you don't have to Shell out a solving is you don't have to Shell out a solving is you don't have to Shell out a lot of money or go down to the gas lot of money or go down to the gas lot of money or go down to the gas station and get 200 pounds of ice or station and get 200 pounds of ice or station and get 200 pounds of ice or something you can you just have a little something you can you just have a little something you can you just have a little bit of the experience you can practice bit of the experience you can practice bit of the experience you can practice your breathing you can get started and your breathing you can get started and your breathing you can get started and that is a wonderful like introduction that is a wonderful like introduction that is a wonderful like introduction it's how I started I was in there you it's how I started I was in there you it's how I started I was in there you know and I'd be like swearing at the top know and I'd be like swearing at the top know and I'd be like swearing at the top of my lungs and and hating every minute of my lungs and and hating every minute of my lungs and and hating every minute of it because I started in the winter in of it because I started in the winter in of it because I started in the winter in Phoenix and the tap water was really Phoenix and the tap water was really Phoenix and the tap water was really only 60 degrees but it gave me enough of only 60 degrees but it gave me enough of only 60 degrees but it gave me enough of an experience to know that there was an experience to know that there was an experience to know that there was something something something happening ice therapy let's say cold happening ice therapy let's say cold happening ice therapy let's say cold therapy it's been used in sports therapy it's been used in sports therapy it's been used in sports everybody knows this um like you know

11:00everybody knows this um like you know everybody knows this um like you know the pitcher at the end of the game he's the pitcher at the end of the game he's the pitcher at the end of the game he's gonna put ice on his elbow to try and gonna put ice on his elbow to try and gonna put ice on his elbow to try and hold down the inflammation or a runner hold down the inflammation or a runner hold down the inflammation or a runner is going to ice their knees people is going to ice their knees people is going to ice their knees people intuitively know about using cold intuitively know about using cold intuitively know about using cold therapy to target areas of their body therapy to target areas of their body therapy to target areas of their body that they want to treat for inflammation that they want to treat for inflammation that they want to treat for inflammation or to speed recovery so there could or to speed recovery so there could or to speed recovery so there could definitely be instances where you can definitely be instances where you can definitely be instances where you can use partial body because you have a use partial body because you have a use partial body because you have a specific agenda in mind but when it specific agenda in mind but when it specific agenda in mind but when it comes to metabolism and when it comes to comes to metabolism and when it comes to comes to metabolism and when it comes to psychological resilience and some of the psychological resilience and some of the psychological resilience and some of the other more serious health issues that other more serious health issues that other more serious health issues that are associated with them then um partial are associated with them then um partial are associated with them then um partial is only going to get you so is only going to get you so is only going to get you so far okay that makes sense so pretty much far okay that makes sense so pretty much far okay that makes sense so pretty much like the full body effects like the like the full body effects like the like the full body effects like the metabolism like certain things like I I metabolism like certain things like I I metabolism like certain things like I I seen you mention like Alzheimer's things seen you mention like Alzheimer's things seen you mention like Alzheimer's things like that the full body is more like that the full body is more like that the full body is more effective for things like that but let's effective for things like that but let's effective for things like that but let's say you twist your ankle or you hurt say you twist your ankle or you hurt say you twist your ankle or you hurt your arm or or your elbow sore from

12:00your arm or or your elbow sore from your arm or or your elbow sore from something then the partial obviously something then the partial obviously something then the partial obviously makes the most sense for that because makes the most sense for that because makes the most sense for that because it's just targeted to that area give you it's just targeted to that area give you it's just targeted to that area give you an example um I have a cousin I have a an example um I have a cousin I have a an example um I have a cousin I have a lot of respect for him he's older than lot of respect for him he's older than lot of respect for him he's older than me he's been very successful in his me he's been very successful in his me he's been very successful in his career he's having knee replacement career he's having knee replacement career he's having knee replacement surgery and uh you know I texted him surgery and uh you know I texted him surgery and uh you know I texted him afterwards he said oh the surgery went afterwards he said oh the surgery went afterwards he said oh the surgery went great you know I'm in bed I got to rest great you know I'm in bed I got to rest great you know I'm in bed I got to rest my knees and I got ice packs on them my knees and I got ice packs on them my knees and I got ice packs on them well my cousin has type two diabetes and well my cousin has type two diabetes and well my cousin has type two diabetes and he manages it with insulin injections he manages it with insulin injections he manages it with insulin injections and I'm like cousin this is one of the and I'm like cousin this is one of the and I'm like cousin this is one of the worst things you can do just give me you worst things you can do just give me you worst things you can do just give me you know a little bit of time 10 minutes a know a little bit of time 10 minutes a know a little bit of time 10 minutes a week in the ice bath we're going to week in the ice bath we're going to week in the ice bath we're going to improve your insulin sensitivity we're improve your insulin sensitivity we're improve your insulin sensitivity we're going to get you on the you know route going to get you on the you know route going to get you on the you know route to metabolic Health he goes I'll cold to metabolic Health he goes I'll cold to metabolic Health he goes I'll cold pack my knees but I'm not getting in pack my knees but I'm not getting in pack my knees but I'm not getting in your ice bath you know most people it your ice bath you know most people it your ice bath you know most people it seems so radical to submerge themselves seems so radical to submerge themselves seems so radical to submerge themselves up to their neck even if they're used to up to their neck even if they're used to up to their neck even if they're used to ice packing a should shoulder or knee or

13:00ice packing a should shoulder or knee or ice packing a should shoulder or knee or even a beasting and they know that even a beasting and they know that even a beasting and they know that that's good for them they can't get that's good for them they can't get that's good for them they can't get their head around why anybody would you their head around why anybody would you their head around why anybody would you know go up above their armpits in an ice know go up above their armpits in an ice know go up above their armpits in an ice bath yeah I mean it makes perfect sense bath yeah I mean it makes perfect sense bath yeah I mean it makes perfect sense psychologically it definitely is a psychologically it definitely is a psychologically it definitely is a different ball game you have to use a different ball game you have to use a different ball game you have to use a different part of your mind to commit to different part of your mind to commit to different part of your mind to commit to that full body experience whereas like that full body experience whereas like that full body experience whereas like icing your knee is like not that intense icing your knee is like not that intense icing your knee is like not that intense because the rest of your body's warm because the rest of your body's warm because the rest of your body's warm it's not like a full body threat where it's not like a full body threat where it's not like a full body threat where it's almost exactly right so I guess it's almost exactly right so I guess it's almost exactly right so I guess that makes sense have more psychological that makes sense have more psychological that makes sense have more psychological effects because it requires more effects because it requires more effects because it requires more psychological commitment yep that's psychological commitment yep that's psychological commitment yep that's where the benefit comes in you get what where the benefit comes in you get what where the benefit comes in you get what you pay for right that's correct cool you pay for right that's correct cool you pay for right that's correct cool okay so uh on this topic there's one okay so uh on this topic there's one okay so uh on this topic there's one more thing that I wanted to ask as far more thing that I wanted to ask as far more thing that I wanted to ask as far as comparing different aspects of cold as comparing different aspects of cold as comparing different aspects of cold exposure and I've heard some varying exposure and I've heard some varying exposure and I've heard some varying opinions on this in lots of different opinions on this in lots of different opinions on this in lots of different contexts what are your thoughts about contexts what are your thoughts about contexts what are your thoughts about drinking cold water versus drinking room drinking cold water versus drinking room drinking cold water versus drinking room temperature water so for athletes that temperature water so for athletes that temperature water so for athletes that are running out in the heat is drinking

14:00are running out in the heat is drinking are running out in the heat is drinking cold water cooling you down having the cold water cooling you down having the cold water cooling you down having the same beneficial effect as opposed to same beneficial effect as opposed to same beneficial effect as opposed to submerging yourself in cold water or you submerging yourself in cold water or you submerging yourself in cold water or you know does it have effects on metabolism know does it have effects on metabolism know does it have effects on metabolism that could be potentially negative that could be potentially negative that could be potentially negative Etc there's some um good studies on this Etc there's some um good studies on this Etc there's some um good studies on this so these are ultraendurance athletes or so these are ultraendurance athletes or so these are ultraendurance athletes or people trying to do strenuous exercise people trying to do strenuous exercise people trying to do strenuous exercise in the Heat and they say drinking cold in the Heat and they say drinking cold in the Heat and they say drinking cold water is going to help you exercise in water is going to help you exercise in water is going to help you exercise in the heat it makes sense here you're the heat it makes sense here you're the heat it makes sense here you're cooling from the inside rather than from cooling from the inside rather than from cooling from the inside rather than from the outside the difficult thing about the outside the difficult thing about the outside the difficult thing about that is your Vaso constriction that is that is your Vaso constriction that is that is your Vaso constriction that is your whole vasculature gonna go outside your whole vasculature gonna go outside your whole vasculature gonna go outside it's constructed to defend your body it's constructed to defend your body it's constructed to defend your body against external cold not really against external cold not really against external cold not really internal cold so the studies that I've internal cold so the studies that I've internal cold so the studies that I've read are pretty positive on drinking read are pretty positive on drinking read are pretty positive on drinking cold water if you're doing a marathon if cold water if you're doing a marathon if cold water if you're doing a marathon if you're doing some hot water um sorry hot you're doing some hot water um sorry hot you're doing some hot water um sorry hot air exercise uh let's say your kid is

15:00air exercise uh let's say your kid is air exercise uh let's say your kid is playing baseball it's the summer it's a playing baseball it's the summer it's a playing baseball it's the summer it's a double header it's a long day have him double header it's a long day have him double header it's a long day have him drink the cold water it's fine he will drink the cold water it's fine he will drink the cold water it's fine he will get some improvement however it is not get some improvement however it is not get some improvement however it is not the same when you're in the the same when you're in the the same when you're in the ultraendurance ultraendurance ultraendurance sports a lot of athletes will experience sports a lot of athletes will experience sports a lot of athletes will experience disregulation in their gut everything in disregulation in their gut everything in disregulation in their gut everything in their body is working so hard at fueling their body is working so hard at fueling their body is working so hard at fueling the running or fueling the sport that the running or fueling the sport that the running or fueling the sport that there isn't a lot of circulation or there isn't a lot of circulation or there isn't a lot of circulation or energy left for digestion and when it energy left for digestion and when it energy left for digestion and when it goes Ultra long they will experience goes Ultra long they will experience goes Ultra long they will experience digestive disorders the drinking the digestive disorders the drinking the digestive disorders the drinking the cold water isn't going to help with that cold water isn't going to help with that cold water isn't going to help with that it's G to make it worse so heaven forbid it's G to make it worse so heaven forbid it's G to make it worse so heaven forbid I don't want anybody to get the wrong I don't want anybody to get the wrong I don't want anybody to get the wrong idea cold water when you're exercising idea cold water when you're exercising idea cold water when you're exercising in the heat is way better than heat in the heat is way better than heat in the heat is way better than heat stroke and most people don't have an ice stroke and most people don't have an ice stroke and most people don't have an ice bath available to them when in the bath available to them when in the bath available to them when in the middle of their Marathon but other

16:00middle of their Marathon but other middle of their Marathon but other people um great study in Korea the people um great study in Korea the people um great study in Korea the baseball players will freeze a cabbage baseball players will freeze a cabbage baseball players will freeze a cabbage leaf and put it under their cap you know leaf and put it under their cap you know leaf and put it under their cap you know to extract heat out of their scalp while to extract heat out of their scalp while to extract heat out of their scalp while they're out there on the field in the they're out there on the field in the they're out there on the field in the sun then they'll come into the Dugout sun then they'll come into the Dugout sun then they'll come into the Dugout they'll swap it out for a fresh cabbage they'll swap it out for a fresh cabbage they'll swap it out for a fresh cabbage leap you know and they'll do a little leap you know and they'll do a little leap you know and they'll do a little heat extraction to improve their heat extraction to improve their heat extraction to improve their endurance and their performance endurance and their performance endurance and their performance especially their mental acuity while especially their mental acuity while especially their mental acuity while they're in the middle of the they're in the middle of the they're in the middle of the game so there are other things that you game so there are other things that you game so there are other things that you can do if they are available to you and can do if they are available to you and can do if they are available to you and if not the cold water generally what if not the cold water generally what if not the cold water generally what I've seen in the studies is it improves I've seen in the studies is it improves I've seen in the studies is it improves performance okay so basically the only performance okay so basically the only performance okay so basically the only time it wouldn't be good is if you're time it wouldn't be good is if you're time it wouldn't be good is if you're doing like Ultra long like endurance doing like Ultra long like endurance doing like Ultra long like endurance workouts type stuff like running a workouts type stuff like running a workouts type stuff like running a marath doing an Iron Man or something marath doing an Iron Man or something marath doing an Iron Man or something you got it okay that makes sense uh you you got it okay that makes sense uh you you got it okay that makes sense uh you know how many David goggin's videos have know how many David goggin's videos have know how many David goggin's videos have you seen where he's out there running you seen where he's out there running you seen where he's out there running his hundred miles chewing on ice cubes his hundred miles chewing on ice cubes his hundred miles chewing on ice cubes or something I I don't have any or something I I don't have any or something I I don't have any experience in this and it is such an

17:00experience in this and it is such an experience in this and it is such an extreme sport what guys uh like goggin extreme sport what guys uh like goggin extreme sport what guys uh like goggin are doing they're pushing their bodies are doing they're pushing their bodies are doing they're pushing their bodies well beyond what you or I would would well beyond what you or I would would well beyond what you or I would would consider a part of a training regimen consider a part of a training regimen consider a part of a training regimen and it's wonderful to see because the and it's wonderful to see because the and it's wonderful to see because the extreme athletes including the guys who extreme athletes including the guys who extreme athletes including the guys who have the record for being submerged up have the record for being submerged up have the record for being submerged up to their neck in ice cubes you know for to their neck in ice cubes you know for to their neck in ice cubes you know for an hour and 45 minutes or whatever that an hour and 45 minutes or whatever that an hour and 45 minutes or whatever that it gives us some glimpse into what we it gives us some glimpse into what we it gives us some glimpse into what we all want to believe that human beings all want to believe that human beings all want to believe that human beings are are capable of like we experience are are capable of like we experience are are capable of like we experience something a little vicarious through something a little vicarious through something a little vicarious through these record holders through these these record holders through these these record holders through these extreme athletes I don't want to have extreme athletes I don't want to have extreme athletes I don't want to have the experience but I want to feel like the experience but I want to feel like the experience but I want to feel like because we're both human that potential because we're both human that potential because we're both human that potential somehow exists inside me too you know somehow exists inside me too you know somehow exists inside me too you know yeah that makes yeah that makes yeah that makes sense reason why we like the superhero sense reason why we like the superhero sense reason why we like the superhero stories and all that exactly we want to stories and all that exactly we want to stories and all that exactly we want to identify vicariously with these Heroes

18:00identify vicariously with these Heroes identify vicariously with these Heroes without actually having to go through without actually having to go through without actually having to go through the arduous experience ourselves I think the arduous experience ourselves I think the arduous experience ourselves I think that's part of why the ice bath videos that's part of why the ice bath videos that's part of why the ice bath videos on Instagram they've gotten kind of on Instagram they've gotten kind of on Instagram they've gotten kind of ridiculous they're very popular and when ridiculous they're very popular and when ridiculous they're very popular and when we see people doing it we we get a we see people doing it we we get a we see people doing it we we get a little uh nervous system activation little uh nervous system activation little uh nervous system activation ourselves just empathetically watching ourselves just empathetically watching ourselves just empathetically watching it happened we want to believe that we it happened we want to believe that we it happened we want to believe that we would be brave enough or that we would would be brave enough or that we would would be brave enough or that we would have that exper but really some part of have that exper but really some part of have that exper but really some part of our brain is like are they going to be our brain is like are they going to be our brain is like are they going to be okay like are they gonna come out okay like are they gonna come out okay like are they gonna come out there's some suspense about it I think there's some suspense about it I think there's some suspense about it I think probably the most boring Joe Rogan video probably the most boring Joe Rogan video probably the most boring Joe Rogan video he ever did was 20 minutes in the ice he ever did was 20 minutes in the ice he ever did was 20 minutes in the ice bath and it's just him bath and it's just him bath and it's just him going and I don't think he even would going and I don't think he even would going and I don't think he even would have done it if Jo o wilnick hadn't have done it if Jo o wilnick hadn't have done it if Jo o wilnick hadn't called him up and said Joe you know called him up and said Joe you know called him up and said Joe you know you're being a wimp you only did two you're being a wimp you only did two you're being a wimp you only did two minutes yesterday and you know you got minutes yesterday and you know you got minutes yesterday and you know you got to get in there but the only reason to to get in there but the only reason to to get in there but the only reason to watch that is because some part of our

19:00watch that is because some part of our watch that is because some part of our mind is not sure he's ever going to make mind is not sure he's ever going to make mind is not sure he's ever going to make it out it's kind of like the Highwire it out it's kind of like the Highwire it out it's kind of like the Highwire guy you know we don't want to see guy you know we don't want to see guy you know we don't want to see anybody walk on a rope that's only two anybody walk on a rope that's only two anybody walk on a rope that's only two feet off the ground because it's not feet off the ground because it's not feet off the ground because it's not exciting and we're not hoping that exciting and we're not hoping that exciting and we're not hoping that anybody Falls but if you walk across a anybody Falls but if you walk across a anybody Falls but if you walk across a rope you know over Niagara Falls then rope you know over Niagara Falls then rope you know over Niagara Falls then we're riveted because something really we're riveted because something really we're riveted because something really bad might happen and our psychology bad might happen and our psychology bad might happen and our psychology doesn't want to miss it that makes a lot doesn't want to miss it that makes a lot doesn't want to miss it that makes a lot of sense yeah so now that we've talked about the yeah so now that we've talked about the differences between different aspects of differences between different aspects of differences between different aspects of cold exposure on different parts of the cold exposure on different parts of the cold exposure on different parts of the body versus whole body versus drinking body versus whole body versus drinking body versus whole body versus drinking it Etc I want to move on to some hormon it Etc I want to move on to some hormon it Etc I want to move on to some hormon related stuff so the first one I want to related stuff so the first one I want to related stuff so the first one I want to talk about is talk about is talk about is corol so I've seen you discuss a couple corol so I've seen you discuss a couple corol so I've seen you discuss a couple different things as far as cortisol goes different things as far as cortisol goes different things as far as cortisol goes so as the full body stuff is concerned so as the full body stuff is concerned so as the full body stuff is concerned cortisol actually tends to go down do I cortisol actually tends to go down do I cortisol actually tends to go down do I have that correct like after you get out have that correct like after you get out have that correct like after you get out of the ice beath or is that cortisol is of the ice beath or is that cortisol is of the ice beath or is that cortisol is confusing um there are some studies that

20:00confusing um there are some studies that confusing um there are some studies that say the ice bath will increase cortisol say the ice bath will increase cortisol say the ice bath will increase cortisol there are some studies that say the ice there are some studies that say the ice there are some studies that say the ice bath will take cortisol down and making bath will take cortisol down and making bath will take cortisol down and making sense of these studies you're like hey sense of these studies you're like hey sense of these studies you're like hey is it going up or down well the ice bath is it going up or down well the ice bath is it going up or down well the ice bath seems to modulate cortisol there is no seems to modulate cortisol there is no seems to modulate cortisol there is no definitive study that demonstrates this definitive study that demonstrates this definitive study that demonstrates this nobody's looked at their own data with nobody's looked at their own data with nobody's looked at their own data with this particular question in mind most this particular question in mind most this particular question in mind most people are saying hey you know we're people are saying hey you know we're people are saying hey you know we're going to take blood samples we might as going to take blood samples we might as going to take blood samples we might as well measure cortisol as well and that's well measure cortisol as well and that's well measure cortisol as well and that's why the studies are conflicting what why the studies are conflicting what why the studies are conflicting what I've seen is that people who start too I've seen is that people who start too I've seen is that people who start too high they come down when they get in the high they come down when they get in the high they come down when they get in the ice path people who are chronically low ice path people who are chronically low ice path people who are chronically low will come up when the ice bath in the will come up when the ice bath in the will come up when the ice bath in the ice bath so that's what I mean by ice bath so that's what I mean by ice bath so that's what I mean by modulate it will normalize your cortisol modulate it will normalize your cortisol modulate it will normalize your cortisol levels and that can be really important levels and that can be really important levels and that can be really important everybody thinks that cortisol is the everybody thinks that cortisol is the everybody thinks that cortisol is the stress hormone and it's true when you stress hormone and it's true when you stress hormone and it's true when you put your body under stress typically put your body under stress typically put your body under stress typically you're going to get you're going to you're going to get you're going to you're going to get you're going to expect a cortisol release but there is expect a cortisol release but there is expect a cortisol release but there is something about people who suffer from

21:00something about people who suffer from something about people who suffer from PTSD despite the fact that they're PTSD despite the fact that they're PTSD despite the fact that they're constantly under stress their cortisol constantly under stress their cortisol constantly under stress their cortisol levels are chronically low and levels are chronically low and levels are chronically low and intuitively this is a surprise it's not intuitively this is a surprise it's not intuitively this is a surprise it's not what we would expect but in studies of what we would expect but in studies of what we would expect but in studies of treating PTSD when they administer treating PTSD when they administer treating PTSD when they administer exogenous cortisol prior to a therapy exogenous cortisol prior to a therapy exogenous cortisol prior to a therapy session so it could be just conventional session so it could be just conventional session so it could be just conventional talk therapy but they say hey this guy talk therapy but they say hey this guy talk therapy but they say hey this guy his cortisol is chronic low we're going his cortisol is chronic low we're going his cortisol is chronic low we're going to give him a little shot of cortisol to give him a little shot of cortisol to give him a little shot of cortisol and then we're going to do the regular and then we're going to do the regular and then we're going to do the regular therapy the therapy becomes more therapy the therapy becomes more therapy the therapy becomes more effective the re there's a reason that a effective the re there's a reason that a effective the re there's a reason that a stress response brings on a cortisol stress response brings on a cortisol stress response brings on a cortisol response it's to prepare our body to get response it's to prepare our body to get response it's to prepare our body to get through the stressful period and resolve through the stressful period and resolve through the stressful period and resolve it when we're chronically low on it when we're chronically low on it when we're chronically low on cortisol we are not hormonally prepared cortisol we are not hormonally prepared cortisol we are not hormonally prepared so the question is if we got people in so the question is if we got people in so the question is if we got people in the ice bath before they did their talk the ice bath before they did their talk the ice bath before they did their talk therapy or whatever their therapeutic

22:00therapy or whatever their therapeutic therapy or whatever their therapeutic regimen is going to be and their own regimen is going to be and their own regimen is going to be and their own body body body endogenously corrected their cortisol endogenously corrected their cortisol endogenously corrected their cortisol levels would that make the therapy more levels would that make the therapy more levels would that make the therapy more effective just like in these studies effective just like in these studies effective just like in these studies where they got a shot nobody has asked where they got a shot nobody has asked where they got a shot nobody has asked this question and nobody has um carved this question and nobody has um carved this question and nobody has um carved out a population of out a population of out a population of PTSD patients to ask the question just PTSD patients to ask the question just PTSD patients to ask the question just of them would the ice bath accelerate of them would the ice bath accelerate of them would the ice bath accelerate their therapeutic recovery but I was on their therapeutic recovery but I was on their therapeutic recovery but I was on the phone um the other day with a guy in the phone um the other day with a guy in the phone um the other day with a guy in Australia he's former special forces in Australia he's former special forces in Australia he's former special forces in Australia he's now out of the armed Australia he's now out of the armed Australia he's now out of the armed services and he's like a lot of guys services and he's like a lot of guys services and he's like a lot of guys he's having trouble adjusting he was he's having trouble adjusting he was he's having trouble adjusting he was using alcohol to manage his anxieties to using alcohol to manage his anxieties to using alcohol to manage his anxieties to numb his feelings and to to sort of numb his feelings and to to sort of numb his feelings and to to sort of skate over his PTSD without actually skate over his PTSD without actually skate over his PTSD without actually addressing it he reached a point where addressing it he reached a point where addressing it he reached a point where he's like this isn't working for me I he's like this isn't working for me I he's like this isn't working for me I got kids I got a wife I got to stop got kids I got a wife I got to stop got kids I got a wife I got to stop drinking he started using ice baths

23:00drinking he started using ice baths drinking he started using ice baths every morning he hasn't touched a drop every morning he hasn't touched a drop every morning he hasn't touched a drop in a month and there's a combination of in a month and there's a combination of in a month and there's a combination of freeing his body from the alcohol so his freeing his body from the alcohol so his freeing his body from the alcohol so his brain can heal but using the discipline brain can heal but using the discipline brain can heal but using the discipline that and his training from the military that and his training from the military that and his training from the military to put himself in this uncomfortable ice to put himself in this uncomfortable ice to put himself in this uncomfortable ice bath situation to manage his anxieties bath situation to manage his anxieties bath situation to manage his anxieties in a different way that has upped his in a different way that has upped his in a different way that has upped his functioning I've asked him to stay in functioning I've asked him to stay in functioning I've asked him to stay in touch because I don't know what's going touch because I don't know what's going touch because I don't know what's going to happen next right now to happen next right now to happen next right now he's dry his brain is healing he's he's dry his brain is healing he's he's dry his brain is healing he's getting through the situations that getting through the situations that getting through the situations that otherwise would make him anxious by otherwise would make him anxious by otherwise would make him anxious by structuring his day better and he says structuring his day better and he says structuring his day better and he says if it gets to be around 8:30 or 9 if it gets to be around 8:30 or 9 if it gets to be around 8:30 or 9 o'clock in the morning there and he o'clock in the morning there and he o'clock in the morning there and he hasn't had his ice bath yet he's like he hasn't had his ice bath yet he's like he hasn't had his ice bath yet he's like he starts to miss it he starts to Crave it starts to miss it he starts to Crave it starts to miss it he starts to Crave it like he knows he's got to get in there like he knows he's got to get in there like he knows he's got to get in there and he's got to get that natural hit of and he's got to get that natural hit of and he's got to get that natural hit of all the neurotransmitters and hormones all the neurotransmitters and hormones all the neurotransmitters and hormones that the ice bath is going to stimulate that the ice bath is going to stimulate that the ice bath is going to stimulate expression expression expression know wow I I think I saw your post about

24:00know wow I I think I saw your post about know wow I I think I saw your post about that guy um with the alcohol yeah yeah that guy um with the alcohol yeah yeah that guy um with the alcohol yeah yeah well I've connected with him and I well I've connected with him and I well I've connected with him and I finally got a chance to interview him so finally got a chance to interview him so finally got a chance to interview him so I can write about him in the book that's I can write about him in the book that's I can write about him in the book that's awesome yeah I definitely want to talk awesome yeah I definitely want to talk awesome yeah I definitely want to talk about your book towards the end um so about your book towards the end um so about your book towards the end um so I'll keep that in mind so okay so we I'll keep that in mind so okay so we I'll keep that in mind so okay so we talked about cortisol that's really talked about cortisol that's really talked about cortisol that's really interesting that it it modulates it and interesting that it it modulates it and interesting that it it modulates it and kind of brings it to balance as opposed kind of brings it to balance as opposed kind of brings it to balance as opposed to doing either like raising it or to doing either like raising it or to doing either like raising it or lowering it just across the board that's lowering it just across the board that's lowering it just across the board that's pretty profound I would say that's pretty profound I would say that's pretty profound I would say that's interesting I think you're on the right interesting I think you're on the right interesting I think you're on the right track Nick if if we can do that reliably track Nick if if we can do that reliably track Nick if if we can do that reliably like right now I'm grabbing studies and like right now I'm grabbing studies and like right now I'm grabbing studies and I'm like oh look at this the High group I'm like oh look at this the High group I'm like oh look at this the High group came down the low group came up but if came down the low group came up but if came down the low group came up but if we could do it reliably if we could use we could do it reliably if we could use we could do it reliably if we could use the ice bath in a prescriptive way to the ice bath in a prescriptive way to the ice bath in a prescriptive way to help people manage their cortisol I help people manage their cortisol I help people manage their cortisol I think we could show think we could show think we could show biochemically why people say the ice biochemically why people say the ice biochemically why people say the ice bath is so good for their stress like bath is so good for their stress like bath is so good for their stress like people tell stories all the time and people tell stories all the time and people tell stories all the time and this is great if they're having a good this is great if they're having a good this is great if they're having a good experience I don't want to keep that experience I don't want to keep that experience I don't want to keep that from them but it doesn't explain the

25:00from them but it doesn't explain the from them but it doesn't explain the mechanisms by which something could work mechanisms by which something could work mechanisms by which something could work so there's a lot more science to be done so there's a lot more science to be done so there's a lot more science to be done there and it could be there and it could be there and it could be profound yeah and I would even profound yeah and I would even profound yeah and I would even potentially raise the idea that for the potentially raise the idea that for the potentially raise the idea that for the High group where cortisol comes lower High group where cortisol comes lower High group where cortisol comes lower and modulates down back to Baseline down and modulates down back to Baseline down and modulates down back to Baseline down I mean that could have pretty decent I mean that could have pretty decent I mean that could have pretty decent effects on insulin sensitivity no so effects on insulin sensitivity no so effects on insulin sensitivity no so that could be does improved insulin that could be does improved insulin that could be does improved insulin sensitivity just through cortisol sensitivity just through cortisol sensitivity just through cortisol alone I hadn't thought about that alone I hadn't thought about that alone I hadn't thought about that because the effects on Brown fat and because the effects on Brown fat and because the effects on Brown fat and insulin sensitivity are so profound but insulin sensitivity are so profound but insulin sensitivity are so profound but I think you're on the right track um I think you're on the right track um I think you're on the right track um because I know that cortisol uh down or because I know that cortisol uh down or because I know that cortisol uh down or up regulates my Statin which also up regulates my Statin which also up regulates my Statin which also contributes to insulin uh resistance so contributes to insulin uh resistance so contributes to insulin uh resistance so cortisol through my Statin could also cortisol through my Statin could also cortisol through my Statin could also you know lower in cortisol you know lower in cortisol you know lower in cortisol downregulating mil stat and could also downregulating mil stat and could also downregulating mil stat and could also increase insulin sensitivity as increase insulin sensitivity as increase insulin sensitivity as well these are outstanding observations well these are outstanding observations well these are outstanding observations as an idea what up guys I hope you're as an idea what up guys I hope you're as an idea what up guys I hope you're enjoying the show so far I just wanted enjoying the show so far I just wanted enjoying the show so far I just wanted to take a little break here quick and to take a little break here quick and to take a little break here quick and tell you a little bit about the breath tell you a little bit about the breath tell you a little bit about the breath bosses community on school where I teach

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27:00doing that because he knows his blood doing that because he knows his blood sugars are too high his body has become sugars are too high his body has become sugars are too high his body has become insulin resistant he's type two diabetic insulin resistant he's type two diabetic insulin resistant he's type two diabetic his doctor says look uh High chronically his doctor says look uh High chronically his doctor says look uh High chronically high blood sugars are dangerous they're high blood sugars are dangerous they're high blood sugars are dangerous they're gonna um eventually rupture your gonna um eventually rupture your gonna um eventually rupture your capillaries and they're going to do bad capillaries and they're going to do bad capillaries and they're going to do bad things for your circulation so we got to things for your circulation so we got to things for your circulation so we got to try and get those under control insulin try and get those under control insulin try and get those under control insulin will reduce your blood sugar but nobody will reduce your blood sugar but nobody will reduce your blood sugar but nobody talks about the other systemic effects talks about the other systemic effects talks about the other systemic effects that happen in the body of giving that happen in the body of giving that happen in the body of giving yourself too much insulin that yourself too much insulin that yourself too much insulin that is Pharmacy companies want you to is Pharmacy companies want you to is Pharmacy companies want you to believe that you can take one thing for believe that you can take one thing for believe that you can take one thing for One symptom and then be done with it One symptom and then be done with it One symptom and then be done with it then they have a long list of side then they have a long list of side then they have a long list of side effects before you know it you're on effects before you know it you're on effects before you know it you're on like another pill to manage the side like another pill to manage the side like another pill to manage the side effects from the first p and side effects from the first p and side effects from the first p and side effects are [ __ ] there's no such effects are [ __ ] there's no such effects are [ __ ] there's no such thing as side effects there are only thing as side effects there are only thing as side effects there are only effects because you can never change effects because you can never change effects because you can never change just one thing in the body the rest of just one thing in the body the rest of just one thing in the body the rest of your body will begin to compensate your body will begin to compensate your body will begin to compensate around the one thing that you're trying around the one thing that you're trying around the one thing that you're trying to change and it will become changed too

28:00to change and it will become changed too to change and it will become changed too and sometimes in unpredictable and sometimes in unpredictable and sometimes in unpredictable ways yeah that makes sense and I guess ways yeah that makes sense and I guess ways yeah that makes sense and I guess my perspective on hormones in general is my perspective on hormones in general is my perspective on hormones in general is that exogenously taking any hormone for that exogenously taking any hormone for that exogenously taking any hormone for extended a period of time will have extended a period of time will have extended a period of time will have undesirable effects because hormones undesirable effects because hormones undesirable effects because hormones don't just do one thing insulin doesn't don't just do one thing insulin doesn't don't just do one thing insulin doesn't just do one thing it doesn't only just do one thing it doesn't only just do one thing it doesn't only regulate your blood sugar it does a lot regulate your blood sugar it does a lot regulate your blood sugar it does a lot of things right so I'm big on this my of things right so I'm big on this my of things right so I'm big on this my main thing that I promote is optimizing main thing that I promote is optimizing main thing that I promote is optimizing testosterone naturally through lifestyle testosterone naturally through lifestyle testosterone naturally through lifestyle intervention so that you don't have to intervention so that you don't have to intervention so that you don't have to get on trt to feel good so it's the same get on trt to feel good so it's the same get on trt to feel good so it's the same kind of concept where exogenously taking kind of concept where exogenously taking kind of concept where exogenously taking testosterone for a long period of time testosterone for a long period of time testosterone for a long period of time has you know different side effects um has you know different side effects um has you know different side effects um on fertility or thing you know we could on fertility or thing you know we could on fertility or thing you know we could talk about that all day but I mean this talk about that all day but I mean this talk about that all day but I mean this is I guess the same thing when it comes is I guess the same thing when it comes is I guess the same thing when it comes to type two diabetes and taking insulin to type two diabetes and taking insulin to type two diabetes and taking insulin for long periods of time now one thing I for long periods of time now one thing I for long periods of time now one thing I wanted to also ask you about which is uh wanted to also ask you about which is uh wanted to also ask you about which is uh kind of personal to me as well um I've kind of personal to me as well um I've kind of personal to me as well um I've seen you talk about your son and type 1 seen you talk about your son and type 1 seen you talk about your son and type 1 diabetes so I'll give you a little diabetes so I'll give you a little diabetes so I'll give you a little context why I'm asking about this um my

29:00context why I'm asking about this um my context why I'm asking about this um my father was diagnosed with type 1 father was diagnosed with type 1 father was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at the age of like 53 couple diabetes at the age of like 53 couple diabetes at the age of like 53 couple years ago wow yeah super rare um they years ago wow yeah super rare um they years ago wow yeah super rare um they told him that it was covid and then his told him that it was covid and then his told him that it was covid and then his body was fighting covid and then you body was fighting covid and then you body was fighting covid and then you know now he has Type 1 diabetes and they know now he has Type 1 diabetes and they know now he has Type 1 diabetes and they said it's basically an anomaly they have said it's basically an anomaly they have said it's basically an anomaly they have no explanation I think that's just a no explanation I think that's just a no explanation I think that's just a explanation for it like they don't know explanation for it like they don't know explanation for it like they don't know what caused it um and they said right what caused it um and they said right what caused it um and they said right how show me that study like it was Co how show me that study like it was Co how show me that study like it was Co yeah it do matter what it was the fact yeah it do matter what it was the fact yeah it do matter what it was the fact is his pancreas is no longer making is his pancreas is no longer making is his pancreas is no longer making insulin okay let's deal with that yep so insulin okay let's deal with that yep so insulin okay let's deal with that yep so I something he learned about was you I something he learned about was you I something he learned about was you know they were telling him like you know know they were telling him like you know know they were telling him like you know the or somebody was telling him he was the or somebody was telling him he was the or somebody was telling him he was learning somewhere about the learning somewhere about the learning somewhere about the consequences of long-term taking insulin consequences of long-term taking insulin consequences of long-term taking insulin and he was originally trying to figure and he was originally trying to figure and he was originally trying to figure out what do I have to do to not take out what do I have to do to not take out what do I have to do to not take insulin what do I have to do to not take insulin what do I have to do to not take insulin what do I have to do to not take insulin how can I figure out how to get insulin how can I figure out how to get insulin how can I figure out how to get around having to take this insulin around having to take this insulin around having to take this insulin because it's going to take years off my because it's going to take years off my because it's going to take years off my life if I end up taking it for an life if I end up taking it for an life if I end up taking it for an extended period of time so how do I extended period of time so how do I extended period of time so how do I figure it out and we haven't figured it figure it out and we haven't figured it figure it out and we haven't figured it out so he's still on insulin for now um out so he's still on insulin for now um out so he's still on insulin for now um so I think this cold exposure thing is

30:00so I think this cold exposure thing is so I think this cold exposure thing is an interesting thing it's only been an interesting thing it's only been an interesting thing it's only been about two years so I feel like if there about two years so I feel like if there about two years so I feel like if there is a window to kind of fix the problem is a window to kind of fix the problem is a window to kind of fix the problem before it gets unfixable we're still before it gets unfixable we're still before it gets unfixable we're still potentially within that window so I like potentially within that window so I like potentially within that window so I like to ask everybody who I interview who may to ask everybody who I interview who may to ask everybody who I interview who may have any insight on type 1 diabetes um have any insight on type 1 diabetes um have any insight on type 1 diabetes um what their take on it is or if they have what their take on it is or if they have what their take on it is or if they have any recommendations so he's not a cold any recommendations so he's not a cold any recommendations so he's not a cold exposure guy something have any exposure guy something have any exposure guy something have any experience with experience with experience with it my son was six when he was diagnosed it my son was six when he was diagnosed it my son was six when he was diagnosed um used to be called juvenile diabetes um used to be called juvenile diabetes um used to be called juvenile diabetes uh because typically the type one does uh because typically the type one does uh because typically the type one does appear in childhood not as late in appear in childhood not as late in appear in childhood not as late in adulthood as with your dad um and it is adulthood as with your dad um and it is adulthood as with your dad um and it is an autoimmune disorder in which the an autoimmune disorder in which the an autoimmune disorder in which the immune system attacks the eyelet cells immune system attacks the eyelet cells immune system attacks the eyelet cells in the pancreas that manufacture insulin in the pancreas that manufacture insulin in the pancreas that manufacture insulin and secrete it into the bloodstream so and secrete it into the bloodstream so and secrete it into the bloodstream so it is not it is not it is not um it's not um it's not um it's not ins sorry go ahead it's different from ins sorry go ahead it's different from ins sorry go ahead it's different from insulin resistance it's not type two insulin resistance it's not type two insulin resistance it's not type two absolutely it's that the actual not

31:00absolutely it's that the actual not absolutely it's that the actual not impossible impeded like my son had a impossible impeded like my son had a impossible impeded like my son had a viral infection um you know it's just viral infection um you know it's just viral infection um you know it's just like a winter cold and then uh it turned like a winter cold and then uh it turned like a winter cold and then uh it turned into this um episode of type one into this um episode of type one into this um episode of type one diabetes that is because it's an diabetes that is because it's an diabetes that is because it's an autoimmune disorder it's not impossible autoimmune disorder it's not impossible autoimmune disorder it's not impossible that it's activated by some immune that it's activated by some immune that it's activated by some immune response whether it's covid or some response whether it's covid or some response whether it's covid or some other virus or something uh my son must other virus or something uh my son must other virus or something uh my son must have been teetering on the edge of have been teetering on the edge of have been teetering on the edge of diagnosis and then whether it was the diagnosis and then whether it was the diagnosis and then whether it was the flu or a cold or whatever just sort of flu or a cold or whatever just sort of flu or a cold or whatever just sort of put them over the edge and that's when put them over the edge and that's when put them over the edge and that's when we really noticed we really noticed we really noticed it because the body requires insulin my it because the body requires insulin my it because the body requires insulin my son your dad they will never be free of son your dad they will never be free of son your dad they will never be free of the necessity of insulin injections but the necessity of insulin injections but the necessity of insulin injections but there's also something called double there's also something called double there's also something called double diabetes and that's when you're type 1 diabetes and that's when you're type 1 diabetes and that's when you're type 1 diabetic you don't make any insulin and diabetic you don't make any insulin and diabetic you don't make any insulin and you're type two Di diabetic you're you're type two Di diabetic you're you're type two Di diabetic you're eating so many carbs and you're using so

32:00eating so many carbs and you're using so eating so many carbs and you're using so much insulin that your mitochondria much insulin that your mitochondria much insulin that your mitochondria becoming damaged and the cells defend becoming damaged and the cells defend becoming damaged and the cells defend themselves against the additional themselves against the additional themselves against the additional glucose by creating insulin resistance glucose by creating insulin resistance glucose by creating insulin resistance double diabetes is the worst because double diabetes is the worst because double diabetes is the worst because it's so difficult now to manage your it's so difficult now to manage your it's so difficult now to manage your blood sugars manage your insulin demand blood sugars manage your insulin demand blood sugars manage your insulin demand because you believe some dietitian that because you believe some dietitian that because you believe some dietitian that told you uh you can have all the carbs told you uh you can have all the carbs told you uh you can have all the carbs you want as long as you inject for it you want as long as you inject for it you want as long as you inject for it there are some new studies that show a there are some new studies that show a there are some new studies that show a low carb diet is beneficial for type one low carb diet is beneficial for type one low carb diet is beneficial for type one diabetics but almost every diabetics but almost every diabetics but almost every endocrinologist I've ever had contact endocrinologist I've ever had contact endocrinologist I've ever had contact with cautions against going keto for with cautions against going keto for with cautions against going keto for type one diabetes because you have to type one diabetes because you have to type one diabetes because you have to monitor yourself so close when you're a monitor yourself so close when you're a monitor yourself so close when you're a type 1 diabetic in keto that um you type 1 diabetic in keto that um you type 1 diabetic in keto that um you don't trip over into keto acidosis which don't trip over into keto acidosis which don't trip over into keto acidosis which can be very dangerous it was the can be very dangerous it was the can be very dangerous it was the condition that my son was in when we condition that my son was in when we condition that my son was in when we admitted him to the Pediatric ICU now

33:00admitted him to the Pediatric ICU now admitted him to the Pediatric ICU now for the rest of his life they were for the rest of his life they were for the rest of his life they were telling me if he ever has a fever you telling me if he ever has a fever you telling me if he ever has a fever you got to bring him back to the hospital my got to bring him back to the hospital my got to bring him back to the hospital my son doesn't want to go to the hospital son doesn't want to go to the hospital son doesn't want to go to the hospital he's never been back to the hospital for he's never been back to the hospital for he's never been back to the hospital for a diabetes since his diagnosis and a diabetes since his diagnosis and a diabetes since his diagnosis and because it's a very impressionable age because it's a very impressionable age because it's a very impressionable age six it was a traumatic experience and he six it was a traumatic experience and he six it was a traumatic experience and he doesn't want to go back again so when he doesn't want to go back again so when he doesn't want to go back again so when he had a fever he would beg me like just had a fever he would beg me like just had a fever he would beg me like just ignore the doctor's advice don't take me ignore the doctor's advice don't take me ignore the doctor's advice don't take me back to the hospital and I would be back to the hospital and I would be back to the hospital and I would be checking his blood sugar and his ketones checking his blood sugar and his ketones checking his blood sugar and his ketones on a constant basis to try and manage on a constant basis to try and manage on a constant basis to try and manage his insulin now if it ever got out of his insulin now if it ever got out of his insulin now if it ever got out of control of course we would go to the control of course we would go to the control of course we would go to the hospital but we got him through several hospital but we got him through several hospital but we got him through several fevers without you know just moderate fevers without you know just moderate fevers without you know just moderate ketones without runaway keto ketones without runaway keto ketones without runaway keto acidosis the experience of type 1 acidosis the experience of type 1 acidosis the experience of type 1 diabetics has given the keto diet and diabetics has given the keto diet and diabetics has given the keto diet and ketogenesis a bad name because it can be ketogenesis a bad name because it can be ketogenesis a bad name because it can be a serious condition for type 1 diabetics a serious condition for type 1 diabetics a serious condition for type 1 diabetics people say well it's dangerous for people say well it's dangerous for people say well it's dangerous for everybody no it's not keto not for your everybody no it's not keto not for your everybody no it's not keto not for your dad but for you and I going in and out

34:00dad but for you and I going in and out dad but for you and I going in and out of keto is a very natural state we are of keto is a very natural state we are of keto is a very natural state we are making the insulin we need we will even making the insulin we need we will even making the insulin we need we will even make the glucose we need our liver is make the glucose we need our liver is make the glucose we need our liver is capable of capable of capable of gluconeogenesis synthesizing the new if gluconeogenesis synthesizing the new if gluconeogenesis synthesizing the new if we're on a zero carb diet it's okay our we're on a zero carb diet it's okay our we're on a zero carb diet it's okay our liver will take care of it put a little liver will take care of it put a little liver will take care of it put a little bit of glucose a little bit of insulin bit of glucose a little bit of insulin bit of glucose a little bit of insulin coming from our pancreas into us we will coming from our pancreas into us we will coming from our pancreas into us we will stay in a homeostatic balance but your stay in a homeostatic balance but your stay in a homeostatic balance but your dad and my son won't they need need the dad and my son won't they need need the dad and my son won't they need need the data from their bloodstream to um data from their bloodstream to um data from their bloodstream to um Monitor and prescribe the right amount Monitor and prescribe the right amount Monitor and prescribe the right amount of insulin and generally you're on the of insulin and generally you're on the of insulin and generally you're on the right track less insulin demand right track less insulin demand right track less insulin demand typically indicates a healthier typically indicates a healthier typically indicates a healthier metabolism in a type one diabetic yeah metabolism in a type one diabetic yeah metabolism in a type one diabetic yeah that's been basically the main focus of that's been basically the main focus of that's been basically the main focus of what we've been implementing with him what we've been implementing with him what we've been implementing with him just anything that increases insulin just anything that increases insulin just anything that increases insulin sensitivity we've just been like trying sensitivity we've just been like trying sensitivity we've just been like trying to get him to still be able to eat to get him to still be able to eat to get him to still be able to eat enough carbs so that his shpg could be enough carbs so that his shpg could be enough carbs so that his shpg could be lower lower lower because we notice when he eats like because we notice when he eats like because we notice when he eats like basically no carbs and he's barely

35:00basically no carbs and he's barely basically no carbs and he's barely shooting any insulin his shbg is like 70 shooting any insulin his shbg is like 70 shooting any insulin his shbg is like 70 80 plus and his free 80 plus and his free 80 plus and his free testosterone so from not taking enough testosterone so from not taking enough testosterone so from not taking enough insulin and not um you know eating insulin and not um you know eating insulin and not um you know eating enough carbs his scpg goes super high so enough carbs his scpg goes super high so enough carbs his scpg goes super high so we've been trying to find that sweet we've been trying to find that sweet we've been trying to find that sweet spot of how much carbs how much insulin spot of how much carbs how much insulin spot of how much carbs how much insulin and making sure that for the amount of and making sure that for the amount of and making sure that for the amount of carbs you know we can minimize the carbs you know we can minimize the carbs you know we can minimize the amount of insulin and that's been pretty amount of insulin and that's been pretty amount of insulin and that's been pretty well one of the biggest things that's well one of the biggest things that's well one of the biggest things that's worked for him the best with increasing worked for him the best with increasing worked for him the best with increasing insulin sensitivity has been magnesium insulin sensitivity has been magnesium insulin sensitivity has been magnesium so like when he he started taking so like when he he started taking so like when he he started taking magnesium bicarbonate and as soon as he magnesium bicarbonate and as soon as he magnesium bicarbonate and as soon as he started taking that a day I I put him on started taking that a day I I put him on started taking that a day I I put him on like a macro dose like 600 700 like a macro dose like 600 700 like a macro dose like 600 700 milligrams a day split throughout the milligrams a day split throughout the milligrams a day split throughout the day liquid magnesium bicarbonate from day liquid magnesium bicarbonate from day liquid magnesium bicarbonate from pristine hydro and he started shooting pristine hydro and he started shooting pristine hydro and he started shooting like significantly less units of insulin like significantly less units of insulin like significantly less units of insulin like five six units less a day right off like five six units less a day right off like five six units less a day right off the bat first day that makes a ton of the bat first day that makes a ton of the bat first day that makes a ton of sense because mitochondria need sense because mitochondria need sense because mitochondria need magnesium it catalyzes something like magnesium it catalyzes something like magnesium it catalyzes something like 300 different metabolic reactions you 300 different metabolic reactions you 300 different metabolic reactions you can't quote me on the number but you're can't quote me on the number but you're can't quote me on the number but you're getting the right it is 300 something I getting the right it is 300 something I getting the right it is 300 something I I know that I know that I know that is okay right yeah if your mitochondria

36:00is okay right yeah if your mitochondria is okay right yeah if your mitochondria don't have the Magnesium that they need don't have the Magnesium that they need don't have the Magnesium that they need they won't work right so Jack Cruz uh they won't work right so Jack Cruz uh they won't work right so Jack Cruz uh who's very difficult for me to who's very difficult for me to who's very difficult for me to understand you know Dr Jack he's adamant understand you know Dr Jack he's adamant understand you know Dr Jack he's adamant and he's direct and he's forceful but and he's direct and he's forceful but and he's direct and he's forceful but frankly I'm not an MD and a lot of it frankly I'm not an MD and a lot of it frankly I'm not an MD and a lot of it goes over my head but he's got this one goes over my head but he's got this one goes over my head but he's got this one phrase that makes sense to me if your phrase that makes sense to me if your phrase that makes sense to me if your body can make it you don't need to take body can make it you don't need to take body can make it you don't need to take it so it applies great for testosterone it so it applies great for testosterone it so it applies great for testosterone you and I are making our own you and I are making our own you and I are making our own testosterone why would we need to take testosterone why would we need to take testosterone why would we need to take it well in the absence of some extreme it well in the absence of some extreme it well in the absence of some extreme disorder or dysfunction or castration or disorder or dysfunction or castration or disorder or dysfunction or castration or something like this then we want to something like this then we want to something like this then we want to create the right conditions for our body create the right conditions for our body create the right conditions for our body to make our own testosterone your body to make our own testosterone your body to make our own testosterone your body can't make magnesium you got to get it can't make magnesium you got to get it can't make magnesium you got to get it in your diet exactly and the crappy in your diet exactly and the crappy in your diet exactly and the crappy thing about that is all of the green thing about that is all of the green thing about that is all of the green leafy vegetables that are supposed to be leafy vegetables that are supposed to be leafy vegetables that are supposed to be rich in minerals you know they're all rich in minerals you know they're all rich in minerals you know they're all coming out of central California where coming out of central California where coming out of central California where the soils are depleted they don't have

37:00the soils are depleted they don't have the soils are depleted they don't have anywhere near the mineral content that anywhere near the mineral content that anywhere near the mineral content that they used to I don't eat a lot of they used to I don't eat a lot of they used to I don't eat a lot of vegetables myself although I like them vegetables myself although I like them vegetables myself although I like them for flavor um if you're not getting for flavor um if you're not getting for flavor um if you're not getting enough magnesium in your diet then you enough magnesium in your diet then you enough magnesium in your diet then you got to supplement because your body will got to supplement because your body will got to supplement because your body will crave it it sounds like your dad wasn't crave it it sounds like your dad wasn't crave it it sounds like your dad wasn't getting what he needed from his diet and getting what he needed from his diet and getting what he needed from his diet and magnesium bicarbonate um it doesn't magnesium bicarbonate um it doesn't magnesium bicarbonate um it doesn't sound like a megga do I mean it's going sound like a megga do I mean it's going sound like a megga do I mean it's going to let you know when you're taking too to let you know when you're taking too to let you know when you're taking too much oral magnes in comparison it was a much oral magnes in comparison it was a much oral magnes in comparison it was a mega dose if I take 600 milligrams I'm mega dose if I take 600 milligrams I'm mega dose if I take 600 milligrams I'm gonna [ __ ] my brains out for him exact gonna [ __ ] my brains out for him exact gonna [ __ ] my brains out for him exact he's like fine we've been pushing the he's like fine we've been pushing the he's like fine we've been pushing the envelope be like all right take a 100 envelope be like all right take a 100 envelope be like all right take a 100 more tomorrow take a 100 more tomorrow more tomorrow take a 100 more tomorrow more tomorrow take a 100 more tomorrow see where that threshold is until you see where that threshold is until you see where that threshold is until you [ __ ] yourself once and then ex right and [ __ ] yourself once and then ex right and [ __ ] yourself once and then ex right and then back off right and then back off then back off right and then back off then back off right and then back off and go back and find the find The Sweet and go back and find the find The Sweet and go back and find the find The Sweet Spot so that's pretty much what we've Spot so that's pretty much what we've Spot so that's pretty much what we've been doing for the last year or so and been doing for the last year or so and been doing for the last year or so and it's made a huge difference for him um I it's made a huge difference for him um I it's made a huge difference for him um I also wanted to discuss with you for for also wanted to discuss with you for for also wanted to discuss with you for for cold thermogenesis or for cold exposure cold thermogenesis or for cold exposure cold thermogenesis or for cold exposure in general I seen a post that or I saw a in general I seen a post that or I saw a in general I seen a post that or I saw a post that you made about the importance

38:00post that you made about the importance post that you made about the importance of making sure you have adequate of making sure you have adequate of making sure you have adequate magnesium when you're doing a lot of magnesium when you're doing a lot of magnesium when you're doing a lot of cold exposure because you have like an cold exposure because you have like an cold exposure because you have like an upper uh need for it and it's the same upper uh need for it and it's the same upper uh need for it and it's the same with athletes from what I've seen you with athletes from what I've seen you with athletes from what I've seen you know as an athlete if you're lifting know as an athlete if you're lifting know as an athlete if you're lifting heavy if you're doing any kind of heavy if you're doing any kind of heavy if you're doing any kind of intense exercise consistently you have a intense exercise consistently you have a intense exercise consistently you have a higher threshold you have a higher need higher threshold you have a higher need higher threshold you have a higher need for magnesium as opposed to someone for magnesium as opposed to someone for magnesium as opposed to someone who's more sedentary so I mean my dad is who's more sedentary so I mean my dad is who's more sedentary so I mean my dad is also kind of a psycho when it comes to also kind of a psycho when it comes to also kind of a psycho when it comes to sports as well he's a nationally sports as well he's a nationally sports as well he's a nationally competitive tennis player still at like competitive tennis player still at like competitive tennis player still at like 50-some and he's he's actually almost 50-some and he's he's actually almost 50-some and he's he's actually almost about to go to Nationals again this year about to go to Nationals again this year about to go to Nationals again this year but he plays he does more cardio than me but he plays he does more cardio than me but he plays he does more cardio than me he's more active than me and I lift five he's more active than me and I lift five he's more active than me and I lift five six days a week and he's more active six days a week and he's more active six days a week and he's more active than me yeah um so he already I feel than me yeah um so he already I feel than me yeah um so he already I feel like had a very high requirement for like had a very high requirement for like had a very high requirement for magnesium and then in addition to the magnesium and then in addition to the magnesium and then in addition to the diabetes diagnosis I feel like he was diabetes diagnosis I feel like he was diabetes diagnosis I feel like he was just super magnesium deficient compared just super magnesium deficient compared just super magnesium deficient compared to what he actually needed um and he's to what he actually needed um and he's to what he actually needed um and he's not a big milk Drinker either from what not a big milk Drinker either from what not a big milk Drinker either from what I see on my chronometer magnesium the I see on my chronometer magnesium the I see on my chronometer magnesium the milk and the uh I do dark chocolate milk and the uh I do dark chocolate milk and the uh I do dark chocolate sometimes those are pretty much the two sometimes those are pretty much the two sometimes those are pretty much the two major sources of magnesium that I get major sources of magnesium that I get major sources of magnesium that I get from food and even though I still do you

39:00from food and even though I still do you from food and even though I still do you know between you know like 3 400 know between you know like 3 400 know between you know like 3 400 milligrams per day I still supplement on milligrams per day I still supplement on milligrams per day I still supplement on top of that and I've noticed a top of that and I've noticed a top of that and I've noticed a significant difference in My Sleep significant difference in My Sleep significant difference in My Sleep Quality and my performance just from Quality and my performance just from Quality and my performance just from doing magnesium and I'm not a huge doing magnesium and I'm not a huge doing magnesium and I'm not a huge supplement guy I'm like I've been big supplement guy I'm like I've been big supplement guy I'm like I've been big against supplements for a really long against supplements for a really long against supplements for a really long time and the only I'm very particular time and the only I'm very particular time and the only I'm very particular about the ones that I recommend about the ones that I recommend about the ones that I recommend magnesium is one of them another one magnesium is one of them another one magnesium is one of them another one would be like creatine monohydrate I'm would be like creatine monohydrate I'm would be like creatine monohydrate I'm cool with um depending on where you live cool with um depending on where you live cool with um depending on where you live Boron you know in the winter I'll do Boron you know in the winter I'll do Boron you know in the winter I'll do boron in the summer I don't do it boron in the summer I don't do it boron in the summer I don't do it because there's fruit everywhere because there's fruit everywhere because there's fruit everywhere but yeah only certain ones and mostly but yeah only certain ones and mostly but yeah only certain ones and mostly just minerals I'm not big on vitamins just minerals I'm not big on vitamins just minerals I'm not big on vitamins either like retinol supplements I either like retinol supplements I either like retinol supplements I wouldn't touch with a 10- foot pole um wouldn't touch with a 10- foot pole um wouldn't touch with a 10- foot pole um so what are your thoughts on that are so what are your thoughts on that are so what are your thoughts on that are you know minerals mainly the only ones you know minerals mainly the only ones you know minerals mainly the only ones or amino acids that you would recommend or amino acids that you would recommend or amino acids that you would recommend for supplements overall we don't have to for supplements overall we don't have to for supplements overall we don't have to get super in detail no out of curiosity get super in detail no out of curiosity get super in detail no out of curiosity um your audience is different than the um your audience is different than the um your audience is different than the people in my world like your audience is people in my world like your audience is people in my world like your audience is probably really in tune with their diet probably really in tune with their diet probably really in tune with their diet and their exercise and they thinking and their exercise and they thinking and their exercise and they thinking about optimizing their health but you about optimizing their health but you about optimizing their health but you know I teach at a university know I teach at a university know I teach at a university and I'm surrounded by guys my age who

40:00and I'm surrounded by guys my age who and I'm surrounded by guys my age who are on prescription meds who are all are on prescription meds who are all are on prescription meds who are all disregulated metabolically you don't get disregulated metabolically you don't get disregulated metabolically you don't get enough Sunshine like most of America is enough Sunshine like most of America is enough Sunshine like most of America is in a chronic state of disease 100% if in a chronic state of disease 100% if in a chronic state of disease 100% if you for example Arizona you think oh you for example Arizona you think oh you for example Arizona you think oh it's the Sunshine State Valley of the it's the Sunshine State Valley of the it's the Sunshine State Valley of the Sun but nobody goes outside in the Sun but nobody goes outside in the Sun but nobody goes outside in the summer because it's so dang hot they summer because it's so dang hot they summer because it's so dang hot they just go from their air conditioned just go from their air conditioned just go from their air conditioned office to their you know parking lot to office to their you know parking lot to office to their you know parking lot to their air conditioned car where they their air conditioned car where they their air conditioned car where they Park in their garage garage they might Park in their garage garage they might Park in their garage garage they might never actually get sun exposure and if never actually get sun exposure and if never actually get sun exposure and if you if I meet one of those people you if I meet one of those people you if I meet one of those people there's nothing wrong with a vitamin D there's nothing wrong with a vitamin D there's nothing wrong with a vitamin D supplement to correct a condition that supplement to correct a condition that supplement to correct a condition that is so far out of whack they're not is so far out of whack they're not is so far out of whack they're not eating fish they're not getting vitamin eating fish they're not getting vitamin eating fish they're not getting vitamin D in their diet and there's this D in their diet and there's this D in their diet and there's this surprising deficiency I'm like yeah surprising deficiency I'm like yeah surprising deficiency I'm like yeah there supplements when you think about there supplements when you think about there supplements when you think about them as medicine when you have a them as medicine when you have a them as medicine when you have a specific disorder a specific disease and specific disorder a specific disease and specific disorder a specific disease and it is something like a vitamin D it is something like a vitamin D it is something like a vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency I want to deficiency or insufficiency I want to deficiency or insufficiency I want to get that fixed and I want to get it

41:00get that fixed and I want to get it get that fixed and I want to get it fixed right away now you can talk with fixed right away now you can talk with fixed right away now you can talk with somebody about uh you know they call somebody about uh you know they call somebody about uh you know they call them lifestyle changes and that's fine them lifestyle changes and that's fine them lifestyle changes and that's fine but most people are never gonna make but most people are never gonna make but most people are never gonna make them it is okay with me to correct some them it is okay with me to correct some them it is okay with me to correct some of these of these of these extraordinary um I'm gonna call them I extraordinary um I'm gonna call them I extraordinary um I'm gonna call them I want to call them aberration but the want to call them aberration but the want to call them aberration but the fact is they're pretty normal conditions fact is they're pretty normal conditions fact is they're pretty normal conditions and if taking some uh vitamin D K2 is and if taking some uh vitamin D K2 is and if taking some uh vitamin D K2 is going to keep your bones healthy then2 going to keep your bones healthy then2 going to keep your bones healthy then2 is a big important one too um how do you is a big important one too um how do you is a big important one too um how do you feel about C liver oil as opposed to feel about C liver oil as opposed to feel about C liver oil as opposed to vitamin D I've seen a lot of I'm glad vitamin D I've seen a lot of I'm glad vitamin D I've seen a lot of I'm glad you mentioned vitamin D I think it's a you mentioned vitamin D I think it's a you mentioned vitamin D I think it's a very interesting one and it's a very very interesting one and it's a very very interesting one and it's a very nuanced topic I think it's also nuanced topic I think it's also nuanced topic I think it's also interesting that when you supplement interesting that when you supplement interesting that when you supplement vitamin D it's actually the precursor to vitamin D it's actually the precursor to vitamin D it's actually the precursor to the hormone vitamin D so it's a little the hormone vitamin D so it's a little the hormone vitamin D so it's a little different than injecting a hormone you different than injecting a hormone you different than injecting a hormone you still have to convert it anyway so I still have to convert it anyway so I still have to convert it anyway so I think that makes it a little better um think that makes it a little better um think that makes it a little better um but I've also seen some things about how but I've also seen some things about how but I've also seen some things about how supplementing like synthetic D3 also supplementing like synthetic D3 also supplementing like synthetic D3 also like offsets liver retinol and your like offsets liver retinol and your like offsets liver retinol and your ability to store vitamin A in your liver ability to store vitamin A in your liver ability to store vitamin A in your liver and some other things so I tread

42:00and some other things so I tread and some other things so I tread carefully when I recommend vitamin D I carefully when I recommend vitamin D I carefully when I recommend vitamin D I normally recommend cod liver oil because normally recommend cod liver oil because normally recommend cod liver oil because it also still comes with a fuckload of it also still comes with a fuckload of it also still comes with a fuckload of retinol um so that I it and it's a more retinol um so that I it and it's a more retinol um so that I it and it's a more natural source um but I do agree and natural source um but I do agree and natural source um but I do agree and honestly you'd be surprised a lot of honestly you'd be surprised a lot of honestly you'd be surprised a lot of people in my world as well you know people in my world as well you know people in my world as well you know still are shocked by some of the basic still are shocked by some of the basic still are shocked by some of the basic lifestyle interventions that I promote I lifestyle interventions that I promote I lifestyle interventions that I promote I have to put an entire course about have to put an entire course about have to put an entire course about sunlight exposure in my program so we sunlight exposure in my program so we sunlight exposure in my program so we dedicate an entire day of my 9-day dedicate an entire day of my 9-day dedicate an entire day of my 9-day program just about circadian rhythm program just about circadian rhythm program just about circadian rhythm regulation and sunlight exposure um I'm regulation and sunlight exposure um I'm regulation and sunlight exposure um I'm a big advocate for being in the sun as a big advocate for being in the sun as a big advocate for being in the sun as much as possible even if you're under an much as possible even if you're under an much as possible even if you're under an umbrella just go the [ __ ] outside let umbrella just go the [ __ ] outside let umbrella just go the [ __ ] outside let your eyes get the sun in even if you're your eyes get the sun in even if you're your eyes get the sun in even if you're going to wear clothes so you don't get going to wear clothes so you don't get going to wear clothes so you don't get burnt being outside is huge um and I burnt being outside is huge um and I burnt being outside is huge um and I mean grounding is another one that's mean grounding is another one that's mean grounding is another one that's huge too I mean sunlight isn't as good huge too I mean sunlight isn't as good huge too I mean sunlight isn't as good if you're not touching the Earth so if you're not touching the Earth so if you're not touching the Earth so that's actually another point we can that's actually another point we can that's actually another point we can bring up and and pull it back into cold bring up and and pull it back into cold bring up and and pull it back into cold exposure real quick um I've seen your exposure real quick um I've seen your exposure real quick um I've seen your your post about the importance of your post about the importance of your post about the importance of grounding in uh like you know in water grounding in uh like you know in water grounding in uh like you know in water as opposed to just your feet on the as opposed to just your feet on the as opposed to just your feet on the ground the statistic that I saw that you ground the statistic that I saw that you ground the statistic that I saw that you wrote was uh grounding in water is 20

43:00wrote was uh grounding in water is 20 wrote was uh grounding in water is 20 times more effective than walking times more effective than walking times more effective than walking barefoot in the grass and that was barefoot in the grass and that was barefoot in the grass and that was according to somebody else I forget who according to somebody else I forget who according to somebody else I forget who you tagged Brian Brian Ben Greenfield you tagged Brian Brian Ben Greenfield you tagged Brian Brian Ben Greenfield taught me that Ben Greenfield okay cool taught me that Ben Greenfield okay cool taught me that Ben Greenfield okay cool yeah yeah so I've always kind of yeah yeah so I've always kind of yeah yeah so I've always kind of intuitively thought that when it comes intuitively thought that when it comes intuitively thought that when it comes to ocean swimming so I've always been a to ocean swimming so I've always been a to ocean swimming so I've always been a surfer my whole life I'm a big ocean guy surfer my whole life I'm a big ocean guy surfer my whole life I'm a big ocean guy uh big beach guy you know for the last uh big beach guy you know for the last uh big beach guy you know for the last few years I've lived on different few years I've lived on different few years I've lived on different islands and I lived in Hawaii for a islands and I lived in Hawaii for a islands and I lived in Hawaii for a little bit I've been huge on going in little bit I've been huge on going in little bit I've been huge on going in the ocean and I felt like that was one the ocean and I felt like that was one the ocean and I felt like that was one of the most fundamental foundational of the most fundamental foundational of the most fundamental foundational lifestyle pillars for being healthy was lifestyle pillars for being healthy was lifestyle pillars for being healthy was being near the ocean or being in the being near the ocean or being in the being near the ocean or being in the ocean or eating something that comes ocean or eating something that comes ocean or eating something that comes from the ocean something along those from the ocean something along those from the ocean something along those lines um even in the winter I make an lines um even in the winter I make an lines um even in the winter I make an effort even just being and breathing the effort even just being and breathing the effort even just being and breathing the Ocean Air has in my opinion different Ocean Air has in my opinion different Ocean Air has in my opinion different effects on your body um noticeably that effects on your body um noticeably that effects on your body um noticeably that I've felt at least from being near the I've felt at least from being near the I've felt at least from being near the ocean versus not being near the ocean so ocean versus not being near the ocean so ocean versus not being near the ocean so um I think it's super interesting the um I think it's super interesting the um I think it's super interesting the concept because I always thought about concept because I always thought about concept because I always thought about it like full body grounding I'm like the it like full body grounding I'm like the it like full body grounding I'm like the ocean is basically like the ground so ocean is basically like the ground so ocean is basically like the ground so you are you know light flowing into the you are you know light flowing into the you are you know light flowing into the ocean and there's the fish are living in ocean and there's the fish are living in ocean and there's the fish are living in there and breathing in there and there's there and breathing in there and there's there and breathing in there and there's a lot of electricity going on so there

44:00a lot of electricity going on so there a lot of electricity going on so there has to be it's basically like grounding has to be it's basically like grounding has to be it's basically like grounding with your whole body because it's with your whole body because it's with your whole body because it's touching the entire surface of your body touching the entire surface of your body touching the entire surface of your body so I wonder where the 20 times if it's so I wonder where the 20 times if it's so I wonder where the 20 times if it's like a more specific number or if that's like a more specific number or if that's like a more specific number or if that's just a generalization but it kind of just a generalization but it kind of just a generalization but it kind of makes sense that it would be like 20 makes sense that it would be like 20 makes sense that it would be like 20 times or even more effective than just times or even more effective than just times or even more effective than just touching the ground because if you think touching the ground because if you think touching the ground because if you think about like the electrical conductivity about like the electrical conductivity about like the electrical conductivity realistically the the pieces of the realistically the the pieces of the realistically the the pieces of the grass that are wet that are touching grass that are wet that are touching grass that are wet that are touching your foot that's really the only I guess your foot that's really the only I guess your foot that's really the only I guess area where it's really coming through to area where it's really coming through to area where it's really coming through to your feet so if it's like you know if it your feet so if it's like you know if it your feet so if it's like you know if it just rained last night and you're just rained last night and you're just rained last night and you're walking in the grass Barefoot it's a walking in the grass Barefoot it's a walking in the grass Barefoot it's a little more efficient than if you if little more efficient than if you if little more efficient than if you if it's 90 degrees out and it's you're it's 90 degrees out and it's you're it's 90 degrees out and it's you're going through a heat wave and the ground going through a heat wave and the ground going through a heat wave and the ground as dry as can be and all the grass is as dry as can be and all the grass is as dry as can be and all the grass is dead it's not the same so I guess is dead it's not the same so I guess is dead it's not the same so I guess is there anything else that you want to add there anything else that you want to add there anything else that you want to add to what I just said or anything any to what I just said or anything any to what I just said or anything any details that you feel like the audience details that you feel like the audience details that you feel like the audience may not know as far as the differences may not know as far as the differences may not know as far as the differences between grounding in water versus between grounding in water versus between grounding in water versus grounding normal or any other people grounding normal or any other people grounding normal or any other people don't talk about grounding anywhere near don't talk about grounding anywhere near don't talk about grounding anywhere near enough um so I'm going to get

45:00enough um so I'm going to get enough um so I'm going to get mechanistic and then I'm going to talk mechanistic and then I'm going to talk mechanistic and then I'm going to talk about about about metaphor you're when your body builds up metaphor you're when your body builds up metaphor you're when your body builds up static static static charge everybody has this experience you charge everybody has this experience you charge everybody has this experience you know uh you're it's dry it's in the know uh you're it's dry it's in the know uh you're it's dry it's in the winter you walk on the rug and you reach winter you walk on the rug and you reach winter you walk on the rug and you reach to the door handle and you get a little to the door handle and you get a little to the door handle and you get a little shock or maybe you were a kid and you shock or maybe you were a kid and you shock or maybe you were a kid and you had you know rub the I don't know if you had you know rub the I don't know if you had you know rub the I don't know if you ever did this but I did balloon on your ever did this but I did balloon on your ever did this but I did balloon on your head and then your hair goes like head and then your hair goes like head and then your hair goes like somehow we know that we are electric somehow we know that we are electric somehow we know that we are electric beings we are like little capacitors beings we are like little capacitors beings we are like little capacitors running around on this Earth but then we running around on this Earth but then we running around on this Earth but then we never really think about what that means never really think about what that means never really think about what that means for our health we know we store electric for our health we know we store electric for our health we know we store electric charge but we don't say why am I getting charge but we don't say why am I getting charge but we don't say why am I getting shocked shocked shocked maybe uh I'm not supposed to be on a maybe uh I'm not supposed to be on a maybe uh I'm not supposed to be on a synthetic carpet all day building up synthetic carpet all day building up synthetic carpet all day building up this big static charge what happens in this big static charge what happens in this big static charge what happens in your blood when you have that static your blood when you have that static your blood when you have that static charge is each red blood cell carries a

46:00charge is each red blood cell carries a charge is each red blood cell carries a charge as well there's something called charge as well there's something called charge as well there's something called Zeta potential I first learned about it Zeta potential I first learned about it Zeta potential I first learned about it in grad school for environmental in grad school for environmental in grad school for environmental engineering and it is a measure of the engineering and it is a measure of the engineering and it is a measure of the charge around particles in the water so charge around particles in the water so charge around particles in the water so in water treatment you want to control in water treatment you want to control in water treatment you want to control the Zeta potential of each little the Zeta potential of each little the Zeta potential of each little particle so you can get them to particle so you can get them to particle so you can get them to Aggregate and precipitate out of the Aggregate and precipitate out of the Aggregate and precipitate out of the water and that's how you treat the water water and that's how you treat the water water and that's how you treat the water so you add in most water treatment so you add in most water treatment so you add in most water treatment plants it's called aluminum sulfate or plants it's called aluminum sulfate or plants it's called aluminum sulfate or Alum to control that electric Cloud that Alum to control that electric Cloud that Alum to control that electric Cloud that is part of the charge around the is part of the charge around the is part of the charge around the particle the same thing happens in our particle the same thing happens in our particle the same thing happens in our bloodstream each red blood cell has its bloodstream each red blood cell has its bloodstream each red blood cell has its own electric Cloud that is controlled by own electric Cloud that is controlled by own electric Cloud that is controlled by The Zeta The Zeta The Zeta potential but we don't want our red potential but we don't want our red potential but we don't want our red blood cells to aggregate when we build blood cells to aggregate when we build blood cells to aggregate when we build up the static electric charge it changes up the static electric charge it changes up the static electric charge it changes that Zeta potential in ways that that Zeta potential in ways that that Zeta potential in ways that promotes ration of the red blood cells promotes ration of the red blood cells promotes ration of the red blood cells and leads to blood clots blood clots

47:00and leads to blood clots blood clots and leads to blood clots blood clots could be deep vein thrombosis it could could be deep vein thrombosis it could could be deep vein thrombosis it could be heart attack it could be a stroke be heart attack it could be a stroke be heart attack it could be a stroke blood clots are a bad thing inside your blood clots are a bad thing inside your blood clots are a bad thing inside your body they're a good thing on a body they're a good thing on a body they're a good thing on a laceration you know or or wound but they laceration you know or or wound but they laceration you know or or wound but they kill people inside the body so when you kill people inside the body so when you kill people inside the body so when you build up static charge you make yourself build up static charge you make yourself build up static charge you make yourself more prone to blood clots now for a kid more prone to blood clots now for a kid more prone to blood clots now for a kid not a big deal you know that clotting is not a big deal you know that clotting is not a big deal you know that clotting is so rare with some horrible exceptions as so rare with some horrible exceptions as so rare with some horrible exceptions as vaccine side reactions clot clotting is vaccine side reactions clot clotting is vaccine side reactions clot clotting is so rare among K not a big deal but at my so rare among K not a big deal but at my so rare among K not a big deal but at my age clotting becomes a serious risk so age clotting becomes a serious risk so age clotting becomes a serious risk so I'm getting my grounding and that's I'm getting my grounding and that's I'm getting my grounding and that's improving my circulation it's reducing improving my circulation it's reducing improving my circulation it's reducing the tendency of my red blood cells to the tendency of my red blood cells to the tendency of my red blood cells to form clots inside my body that's the form clots inside my body that's the form clots inside my body that's the mechanism but now let's talk about the mechanism but now let's talk about the mechanism but now let's talk about the metaphor we all know what it means means metaphor we all know what it means means metaphor we all know what it means means to be grounded like

48:00to be grounded like to be grounded like psychologically on the ground yeah psychologically on the ground yeah psychologically on the ground yeah exactly instead of having your hair exactly instead of having your hair exactly instead of having your hair flying out all over the place you know flying out all over the place you know flying out all over the place you know in some kind of paretic state of panic in some kind of paretic state of panic in some kind of paretic state of panic we feel grounded and that's the other we feel grounded and that's the other we feel grounded and that's the other thing that grounding does for us calm thing that grounding does for us calm thing that grounding does for us calm our nervous system we operate not our nervous system we operate not our nervous system we operate not everything in our oper our body operates everything in our oper our body operates everything in our oper our body operates this way but you know that electrical this way but you know that electrical this way but you know that electrical impulses travel through our nervous impulses travel through our nervous impulses travel through our nervous system to control the action of system to control the action of system to control the action of ourselves or cells when we build up all ourselves or cells when we build up all ourselves or cells when we build up all this static charge we have interfered this static charge we have interfered this static charge we have interfered with the natural communication process with the natural communication process with the natural communication process this is sort of Electro mechanism of this is sort of Electro mechanism of this is sort of Electro mechanism of control inside our body not the only control inside our body not the only control inside our body not the only mechanism of control but it's a fast and mechanism of control but it's a fast and mechanism of control but it's a fast and ab dominant one we ground ourselves we ab dominant one we ground ourselves we ab dominant one we ground ourselves we discharge that static electricity and discharge that static electricity and discharge that static electricity and it's no wonder that we feel more it's no wonder that we feel more it's no wonder that we feel more grounded now how does it happen uh grounded now how does it happen uh grounded now how does it happen uh walking around in the grass is great walking around in the grass is great walking around in the grass is great sleeping on the ground ground is great sleeping on the ground ground is great sleeping on the ground ground is great but going in the ocean is the number one

49:00but going in the ocean is the number one but going in the ocean is the number one best way to ground your as practically best way to ground your as practically best way to ground your as practically instantaneous second best go into the instantaneous second best go into the instantaneous second best go into the stream the river the lake the fresh stream the river the lake the fresh stream the river the lake the fresh water also very rapid third the water's water also very rapid third the water's water also very rapid third the water's moving so like a waterfall or something moving so like a waterfall or something moving so like a waterfall or something where waves are wonderful the ions get where waves are wonderful the ions get where waves are wonderful the ions get released exactly right you get this released exactly right you get this released exactly right you get this constant stream of conductive material constant stream of conductive material constant stream of conductive material yep third best is you go into the yep third best is you go into the yep third best is you go into the Morosco ice bath because it as far as I Morosco ice bath because it as far as I Morosco ice bath because it as far as I know it's the only ice bath that has know it's the only ice bath that has know it's the only ice bath that has been third party verified for its been third party verified for its been third party verified for its grounding Brian Hoyer of shielded grounding Brian Hoyer of shielded grounding Brian Hoyer of shielded healing he measured Ben Greenfield's ice healing he measured Ben Greenfield's ice healing he measured Ben Greenfield's ice bath he measured Luke story's ice bath bath he measured Luke story's ice bath bath he measured Luke story's ice bath and he's like we've got fantastic and he's like we've got fantastic and he's like we've got fantastic grounding effects going on here and this grounding effects going on here and this grounding effects going on here and this is why Ben says 20 times more effective is why Ben says 20 times more effective is why Ben says 20 times more effective than walking around on the grass in your than walking around on the grass in your than walking around on the grass in your bare feet because Brian Hoyer has bare feet because Brian Hoyer has bare feet because Brian Hoyer has measured it for him to get grounding measured it for him to get grounding measured it for him to get grounding from your ice bath you can't be in one from your ice bath you can't be in one from your ice bath you can't be in one of these infl able rubber you know of these infl able rubber you know of these infl able rubber you know they're Wicked cheap which is great but

50:00they're Wicked cheap which is great but they're Wicked cheap which is great but they're not grounded you have to have a they're not grounded you have to have a they're not grounded you have to have a metal tub and the metal tub has to be metal tub and the metal tub has to be metal tub and the metal tub has to be electrically connected to the Earth so electrically connected to the Earth so electrically connected to the Earth so morasco we've done that the copper coils morasco we've done that the copper coils morasco we've done that the copper coils are in contact with the tub which are in are in contact with the tub which are in are in contact with the tub which are in contact with the compressor which are in contact with the compressor which are in contact with the compressor which are in contact they go straight into the ground contact they go straight into the ground contact they go straight into the ground in your house it's awesome if your ice in your house it's awesome if your ice in your house it's awesome if your ice bath isn't made of metal and is not bath isn't made of metal and is not bath isn't made of metal and is not specific speically designed to ground specific speically designed to ground specific speically designed to ground you're not getting that extra grounding you're not getting that extra grounding you're not getting that extra grounding benefit I also have um sheets with benefit I also have um sheets with benefit I also have um sheets with silver threads in them so at night you silver threads in them so at night you silver threads in them so at night you know I get a little grounding that way know I get a little grounding that way know I get a little grounding that way you can buy a grounding pad those are you can buy a grounding pad those are you can buy a grounding pad those are all slower and less effective than all slower and less effective than all slower and less effective than getting into a grounded bath you're not getting into a grounded bath you're not getting into a grounded bath you're not going to get it from your shower you're going to get it from your shower you're going to get it from your shower you're not going to get it from your you know not going to get it from your you know not going to get it from your you know fiberglass or acrylic bathtub in your fiberglass or acrylic bathtub in your fiberglass or acrylic bathtub in your bathroom you it just means you have to bathroom you it just means you have to bathroom you it just means you have to get it other ways makes a lot of sense get it other ways makes a lot of sense get it other ways makes a lot of sense what do you think about an outdoor what do you think about an outdoor what do you think about an outdoor shower like at a beach house where shower like at a beach house where shower like at a beach house where you're standing on the ground in the

51:00you're standing on the ground in the you're standing on the ground in the sand and the water just coming wonderful sand and the water just coming wonderful sand and the water just coming wonderful still pretty s of course you're getting still pretty s of course you're getting still pretty s of course you're getting grounded by the time outdoor shower grounded by the time outdoor shower grounded by the time outdoor shower right you don't even knee grounding right you don't even knee grounding right you don't even knee grounding you've been at the beach all day you're you've been at the beach all day you're you've been at the beach all day you're probably washing the sand off your toat probably washing the sand off your toat probably washing the sand off your toat right yeah that's a good point good right yeah that's a good point good right yeah that's a good point good point um okay so the the mechanism that point um okay so the the mechanism that point um okay so the the mechanism that you explained for the grounding is you explained for the grounding is you explained for the grounding is interesting um I've actually heard interesting um I've actually heard interesting um I've actually heard another mechanism that I I want to get another mechanism that I I want to get another mechanism that I I want to get your opinion on uh are you familiar with your opinion on uh are you familiar with your opinion on uh are you familiar with Dr Thomas Cowen Dr Thomas Cowen Dr Thomas Cowen I don't think I am okay so this you I don't think I am okay so this you I don't think I am okay so this you might find this really interesting then might find this really interesting then might find this really interesting then so he has a perspective on heart disease so he has a perspective on heart disease so he has a perspective on heart disease and high blood pressure that has to do and high blood pressure that has to do and high blood pressure that has to do with electricity so he describes the with electricity so he describes the with electricity so he describes the fueling of the blood flow as the heart fueling of the blood flow as the heart fueling of the blood flow as the heart is not a pump and what fuels the blood is not a pump and what fuels the blood is not a pump and what fuels the blood flow from the capillaries like in your flow from the capillaries like in your flow from the capillaries like in your feet back up to your heart is the feet back up to your heart is the feet back up to your heart is the separation of charges right so when separation of charges right so when separation of charges right so when you're exposed to an electromagnetic you're exposed to an electromagnetic you're exposed to an electromagnetic field from nature whether it's the field from nature whether it's the field from nature whether it's the ground whether it's the sunlight whether ground whether it's the sunlight whether ground whether it's the sunlight whether it's a hug from another person petting it's a hug from another person petting it's a hug from another person petting an animal whatever it is an animal whatever it is an animal whatever it is you are basically fueling that you are basically fueling that you are basically fueling that separation of charges where the proteins

52:00separation of charges where the proteins separation of charges where the proteins that line in the blood vessels are that line in the blood vessels are that line in the blood vessels are hydrophilic surfaces so you form that hydrophilic surfaces so you form that hydrophilic surfaces so you form that fourth phase of water that gel phase fourth phase of water that gel phase fourth phase of water that gel phase along the the border of your blood along the the border of your blood along the the border of your blood vessels which is all Electro negative vessels which is all Electro negative vessels which is all Electro negative and then the positive ions are in the and then the positive ions are in the and then the positive ions are in the middle of the blood vessel and they middle of the blood vessel and they middle of the blood vessel and they repel each other and that is what fuels repel each other and that is what fuels repel each other and that is what fuels the blood flow through the body so his the blood flow through the body so his the blood flow through the body so his perspective is basically that these perspective is basically that these perspective is basically that these things fuel that separation of charges things fuel that separation of charges things fuel that separation of charges so whether that is free flowing so whether that is free flowing so whether that is free flowing electrons from the ground from the ocean electrons from the ground from the ocean electrons from the ground from the ocean from the sunlight from human interaction from the sunlight from human interaction from the sunlight from human interaction or interaction with animals touching a or interaction with animals touching a or interaction with animals touching a tree whatever all kind of I guess you tree whatever all kind of I guess you tree whatever all kind of I guess you could say our grounding all of these could say our grounding all of these could say our grounding all of these things fuel that blood flow and then things fuel that blood flow and then things fuel that blood flow and then when that is compromised from something when that is compromised from something when that is compromised from something like EMF exposure or you know being cut like EMF exposure or you know being cut like EMF exposure or you know being cut off from grounding being inside all day off from grounding being inside all day off from grounding being inside all day being in front of this camera with the being in front of this camera with the being in front of this camera with the blue light all over me and sit next to blue light all over me and sit next to blue light all over me and sit next to my computer with my phone in my pocket my computer with my phone in my pocket my computer with my phone in my pocket all these things you know I've all these things you know I've all these things you know I've considered that this isn't his this is considered that this isn't his this is considered that this isn't his this is my opinion that like everything in life my opinion that like everything in life my opinion that like everything in life is kind of like a song so it's all music is kind of like a song so it's all music is kind of like a song so it's all music playing the ground is playing a song The playing the ground is playing a song The playing the ground is playing a song The Sun is playing a song but also my phone Sun is playing a song but also my phone Sun is playing a song but also my phone is playing a song and the computer is is playing a song and the computer is is playing a song and the computer is playing a song and your body has to hear

53:00playing a song and your body has to hear playing a song and your body has to hear the the natural songs for the effects to the the natural songs for the effects to the the natural songs for the effects to take place if your phone and your take place if your phone and your take place if your phone and your computer and the lights are louder then computer and the lights are louder then computer and the lights are louder then your body can't really hear it so I your body can't really hear it so I your body can't really hear it so I guess it's kind of like a you know one guess it's kind of like a you know one guess it's kind of like a you know one is stronger than the other because is stronger than the other because is stronger than the other because you're exposed to more of it and if you're exposed to more of it and if you're exposed to more of it and if that's the case for you over a long that's the case for you over a long that's the case for you over a long period of time that separation of period of time that separation of period of time that separation of charges is then compromised the blood charges is then compromised the blood charges is then compromised the blood flow the fuel of the flow is compromised flow the fuel of the flow is compromised flow the fuel of the flow is compromised and then the body has to compensate by and then the body has to compensate by and then the body has to compensate by either vasal constriction or whatever either vasal constriction or whatever either vasal constriction or whatever other methods that the body goes through other methods that the body goes through other methods that the body goes through to to make the blood flow continue to to make the blood flow continue to to make the blood flow continue because according to his perspective the because according to his perspective the because according to his perspective the blood flow into the heart is what keeps blood flow into the heart is what keeps blood flow into the heart is what keeps the heart going so if the because it's a the heart going so if the because it's a the heart going so if the because it's a what's the word used hydraulic ram so what's the word used hydraulic ram so what's the word used hydraulic ram so the blood flow in has to create the the blood flow in has to create the the blood flow in has to create the pressure that creates the vacuums that pressure that creates the vacuums that pressure that creates the vacuums that opens the valves that allows the opens the valves that allows the opens the valves that allows the spiraling of the blood to happen and spiraling of the blood to happen and spiraling of the blood to happen and then you know going out of the heart then you know going out of the heart then you know going out of the heart through the aortic Arch which compresses through the aortic Arch which compresses through the aortic Arch which compresses when it's when the blood goes out of the when it's when the blood goes out of the when it's when the blood goes out of the heart instead of straightening out like heart instead of straightening out like heart instead of straightening out like you would think a hose would so that you would think a hose would so that you would think a hose would so that pressure is necessary and that pressure is necessary and that pressure is necessary and that compromising of the blood flow will compromising of the blood flow will compromising of the blood flow will compromise the part's ability to beat or compromise the part's ability to beat or compromise the part's ability to beat or to you know funnel through or open up

54:00to you know funnel through or open up to you know funnel through or open up and allow the blood to come through so and allow the blood to come through so and allow the blood to come through so that's the mechanism that I heard for that's the mechanism that I heard for that's the mechanism that I heard for why grounding in sunlight and and nature why grounding in sunlight and and nature why grounding in sunlight and and nature is super important because of that free is super important because of that free is super important because of that free electron flow that negative ion flow electron flow that negative ion flow electron flow that negative ion flow that allows that separation of charges that allows that separation of charges that allows that separation of charges in the blood to take place I thought in the blood to take place I thought in the blood to take place I thought that was absolutely fascinating so what that was absolutely fascinating so what that was absolutely fascinating so what do you think I do you think I do you think I agree it's a way better explanation than agree it's a way better explanation than agree it's a way better explanation than what I learned as a kid um when I grew what I learned as a kid um when I grew what I learned as a kid um when I grew up in the 70s there were only like three up in the 70s there were only like three up in the 70s there were only like three channels you know like we didn't have channels you know like we didn't have channels you know like we didn't have 500 cable TV and YouTube so all the kids 500 cable TV and YouTube so all the kids 500 cable TV and YouTube so all the kids are watching the same thing and every are watching the same thing and every are watching the same thing and every kid's favorite day was Saturday morning kid's favorite day was Saturday morning kid's favorite day was Saturday morning cartoons I don't know even that's a cartoons I don't know even that's a cartoons I don't know even that's a thing anymore but um you know I'd wake thing anymore but um you know I'd wake thing anymore but um you know I'd wake up for Bugs Bunny Road Runner Scooby-Doo up for Bugs Bunny Road Runner Scooby-Doo up for Bugs Bunny Road Runner Scooby-Doo all this stuff and there was a rule back all this stuff and there was a rule back all this stuff and there was a rule back then that they had to have public then that they had to have public then that they had to have public service programming a series of music service programming a series of music service programming a series of music videos came out for Saturday morning videos came out for Saturday morning videos came out for Saturday morning cartoons they're supposed to be cartoons they're supposed to be cartoons they're supposed to be educational called Schoolhouse Rock have educational called Schoolhouse Rock have educational called Schoolhouse Rock have you ever seen these I've heard of them

55:00you ever seen these I've heard of them you ever seen these I've heard of them it rings about okay it's more my it rings about okay it's more my it rings about okay it's more my generation they're really catchy you generation they're really catchy you generation they're really catchy you know like Conjunction know like Conjunction know like Conjunction Junction right okay it's supposed to Junction right okay it's supposed to Junction right okay it's supposed to teach us gr right Schoolhouse Rock teach us gr right Schoolhouse Rock teach us gr right Schoolhouse Rock videos on anatomy and biology are videos on anatomy and biology are videos on anatomy and biology are terrible like they're really stupid they terrible like they're really stupid they terrible like they're really stupid they teach all the wrong things the ones on teach all the wrong things the ones on teach all the wrong things the ones on nutrition are awful there's a a song nutrition are awful there's a a song nutrition are awful there's a a song that goes I'm a machine you're a machine that goes I'm a machine you're a machine that goes I'm a machine you're a machine and it's trying to teach us about and it's trying to teach us about and it's trying to teach us about metabolism and it makes the analogy to a metabolism and it makes the analogy to a metabolism and it makes the analogy to a car that gets filled up with car that gets filled up with car that gets filled up with gas now when I was a kid I didn't know gas now when I was a kid I didn't know gas now when I was a kid I didn't know any better but now that I think back I'm any better but now that I think back I'm any better but now that I think back I'm like what a bunch of Lies I am not a car like what a bunch of Lies I am not a car like what a bunch of Lies I am not a car and I am not a machine and if you think and I am not a machine and if you think and I am not a machine and if you think of food like gasoline instead of of food like gasoline instead of of food like gasoline instead of nutrition instead of nutrition instead of nutrition instead of information then you're going to wind up

56:00information then you're going to wind up information then you're going to wind up fat and sick the most important thing fat and sick the most important thing fat and sick the most important thing about the food we eat is what it teaches about the food we eat is what it teaches about the food we eat is what it teaches our body about our environment the our body about our environment the our body about our environment the second most important thing are all the second most important thing are all the second most important thing are all the micronutrients in there and S there's micronutrients in there and S there's micronutrients in there and S there's like 50 feet of crap and way down at the like 50 feet of crap and way down at the like 50 feet of crap and way down at the bottom like least important thing is bottom like least important thing is bottom like least important thing is calorie content right so I love you put calorie content right so I love you put calorie content right so I love you put that first I love that you put that first I love that you put that first I love that you put the Y Y and and that's coming from that the Y Y and and that's coming from that the Y Y and and that's coming from that Schoolhouse Rock mentality that makes Schoolhouse Rock mentality that makes Schoolhouse Rock mentality that makes you think gasoline is not information you think gasoline is not information you think gasoline is not information for your engine it's just chemical for your engine it's just chemical for your engine it's just chemical energy the point here is Schoolhouse energy the point here is Schoolhouse energy the point here is Schoolhouse Rock was Rock was Rock was emblematic of this calories in calories emblematic of this calories in calories emblematic of this calories in calories out hypothesis the C of all the wrong out hypothesis the C of all the wrong out hypothesis the C of all the wrong things that they were the propaganda things that they were the propaganda things that they were the propaganda they were trying to teach us about food they were trying to teach us about food they were trying to teach us about food to keep us sick and to sell us a bunch to keep us sick and to sell us a bunch to keep us sick and to sell us a bunch of cheap cars why did it work because we

57:00of cheap cars why did it work because we of cheap cars why did it work because we understand machines a lot better than we understand machines a lot better than we understand machines a lot better than we understand the complex processes of the understand the complex processes of the understand the complex processes of the human body machines are guarantee you human body machines are guarantee you human body machines are guarantee you sorry go ahead machines are more simple sorry go ahead machines are more simple sorry go ahead machines are more simple easier you got it more a kid can easier you got it more a kid can easier you got it more a kid can understand a machine and so you come at understand a machine and so you come at understand a machine and so you come at a kid on Saturday morning cartoon he's a kid on Saturday morning cartoon he's a kid on Saturday morning cartoon he's like what is this get back to Scooby-Doo like what is this get back to Scooby-Doo like what is this get back to Scooby-Doo or you know whatever and when you say oh or you know whatever and when you say oh or you know whatever and when you say oh digestion is just like a simpler thing digestion is just like a simpler thing digestion is just like a simpler thing over here that you can actually over here that you can actually over here that you can actually understand we're trying to teach how the understand we're trying to teach how the understand we're trying to teach how the body works by um making analogies to body works by um making analogies to body works by um making analogies to simpler things that people can actually simpler things that people can actually simpler things that people can actually comprehend and it is doing a disservice comprehend and it is doing a disservice comprehend and it is doing a disservice So when you say the heart is not a pump So when you say the heart is not a pump So when you say the heart is not a pump he's trying to break this he's trying to break this he's trying to break this oversimplification machine analogy that oversimplification machine analogy that oversimplification machine analogy that does us no good now if I'm going to get does us no good now if I'm going to get does us no good now if I'm going to get all engineering and Technical on them I all engineering and Technical on them I all engineering and Technical on them I can say well you know this heart has can say well you know this heart has can say well you know this heart has several characteristics that are similar several characteristics that are similar several characteristics that are similar to a p some bull crap like defense but I

58:00to a p some bull crap like defense but I to a p some bull crap like defense but I would rather just say stop thinking of would rather just say stop thinking of would rather just say stop thinking of the heart like it's a pump because your the heart like it's a pump because your the heart like it's a pump because your body is not a pipeline you know your body is not a pipeline you know your body is not a pipeline you know your body is not a machine point he's trying body is not a machine point he's trying body is not a machine point he's trying to make to make to make exactly thinking yep yep I think people exactly thinking yep yep I think people exactly thinking yep yep I think people are gonna kind of they might protest are gonna kind of they might protest are gonna kind of they might protest because they have been told from a very because they have been told from a very because they have been told from a very early age oh oh your brain is just like early age oh oh your brain is just like early age oh oh your brain is just like a computer well what the heck you know a computer well what the heck you know a computer well what the heck you know back in 1900 before was such things did back in 1900 before was such things did back in 1900 before was such things did they say oh your brain is like an abacus they say oh your brain is like an abacus they say oh your brain is like an abacus I mean it doesn't make any sense your I mean it doesn't make any sense your I mean it doesn't make any sense your brain is not a computer we are not brain is not a computer we are not brain is not a computer we are not machines and all of those analogies are machines and all of those analogies are machines and all of those analogies are poor crutches to try and um comprehend poor crutches to try and um comprehend poor crutches to try and um comprehend the way our bodies and our complex the way our bodies and our complex the way our bodies and our complex systems really work we got to stop using systems really work we got to stop using systems really work we got to stop using them makes total sense to me we're on them makes total sense to me we're on them makes total sense to me we're on the same the same the same page all right wow this has been great page all right wow this has been great page all right wow this has been great conversation I didn't even know we were conversation I didn't even know we were conversation I didn't even know we were going to take I'm happy about that so uh

59:00going to take I'm happy about that so uh going to take I'm happy about that so uh okay so next gonna rope it back in get okay so next gonna rope it back in get okay so next gonna rope it back in get back onto the the cold exposure wave um back onto the the cold exposure wave um back onto the the cold exposure wave um actually there h no we don't have to actually there h no we don't have to actually there h no we don't have to talk about it it's fine um if anything talk about it it's fine um if anything talk about it it's fine um if anything if there's time at the end so next I if there's time at the end so next I if there's time at the end so next I want to go over another term that I hear want to go over another term that I hear want to go over another term that I hear thrown out in the cold exposure world thrown out in the cold exposure world thrown out in the cold exposure world that uh I feel like the average person that uh I feel like the average person that uh I feel like the average person who is consuming content about cold who is consuming content about cold who is consuming content about cold exposure doesn't fully understand and exposure doesn't fully understand and exposure doesn't fully understand and that you may be able to clarify for them that you may be able to clarify for them that you may be able to clarify for them what are cold shock proteins so this is um an area that is proteins so this is um an area that is on the periphery of my expertise I on the periphery of my expertise I on the periphery of my expertise I didn't even talk about cold shock didn't even talk about cold shock didn't even talk about cold shock proteins until a new study came out and proteins until a new study came out and proteins until a new study came out and it was about pedo Paradox so here's the it was about pedo Paradox so here's the it was about pedo Paradox so here's the dominant theory of cancer cancer is an dominant theory of cancer cancer is an dominant theory of cancer cancer is an aberant mutation in the nucleus of your aberant mutation in the nucleus of your aberant mutation in the nucleus of your cells which contains your DNA and your cells which contains your DNA and your cells which contains your DNA and your DNA you know they don't fully replicate DNA you know they don't fully replicate DNA you know they don't fully replicate correctly mutation and then some of them

1:00correctly mutation and then some of them correctly mutation and then some of them become cancerous and if that were the become cancerous and if that were the become cancerous and if that were the case then you would expect organisms case then you would expect organisms case then you would expect organisms with more cells that live longer would with more cells that live longer would with more cells that live longer would have more mutations and become more have more mutations and become more have more mutations and become more cancerous the longer they live this is cancerous the longer they live this is cancerous the longer they live this is the dominant Theory the problem with the the dominant Theory the problem with the the dominant Theory the problem with the dominant theory is that it doesn't dominant theory is that it doesn't dominant theory is that it doesn't explain explain explain whales whales the boohead whale lives whales whales the boohead whale lives whales whales the boohead whale lives 200 years it's huge why doesn't die of 200 years it's huge why doesn't die of 200 years it's huge why doesn't die of cancer at the same you know at the age cancer at the same you know at the age cancer at the same you know at the age of 70 or something like at a comparable of 70 or something like at a comparable of 70 or something like at a comparable age is the rate of mutation lower not age is the rate of mutation lower not age is the rate of mutation lower not really and so this study came out of really and so this study came out of really and so this study came out of University Rochester and they said the University Rochester and they said the University Rochester and they said the DNA mutations happen but they sometimes DNA mutations happen but they sometimes DNA mutations happen but they sometimes get repaired your body has mechanisms to get repaired your body has mechanisms to get repaired your body has mechanisms to repair the DNA before it proliferates repair the DNA before it proliferates repair the DNA before it proliferates one of those mechanisms is called cold one of those mechanisms is called cold one of those mechanisms is called cold shock proteins and so they started shock proteins and so they started shock proteins and so they started taking apart whale cells and seeing taking apart whale cells and seeing taking apart whale cells and seeing whether the cold shock proteins were the whether the cold shock proteins were the whether the cold shock proteins were the mechanism of DNA repair pedos Paradox

1:01mechanism of DNA repair pedos Paradox mechanism of DNA repair pedos Paradox which isn't a paradox at all but it says which isn't a paradox at all but it says which isn't a paradox at all but it says how could whales or Elephants or these how could whales or Elephants or these how could whales or Elephants or these huge long lived creatures live so long huge long lived creatures live so long huge long lived creatures live so long without developing cancer at the same without developing cancer at the same without developing cancer at the same rates that human beings and other rates that human beings and other rates that human beings and other species do and the resolution of it is species do and the resolution of it is species do and the resolution of it is if you're getting value out of this if you're getting value out of this if you're getting value out of this episode don't be selfish copy and paste episode don't be selfish copy and paste episode don't be selfish copy and paste the link and send it to somebody who you the link and send it to somebody who you the link and send it to somebody who you think would also get value from this think would also get value from this think would also get value from this that's it back to the show is they have that's it back to the show is they have that's it back to the show is they have these DNA repair mechanisms so um I'm these DNA repair mechanisms so um I'm these DNA repair mechanisms so um I'm going to try and encapsulate this there going to try and encapsulate this there going to try and encapsulate this there are are heat shock proteins or cold are are heat shock proteins or cold are are heat shock proteins or cold shock proteins some of the proteins are shock proteins some of the proteins are shock proteins some of the proteins are the same but you put your body in a the same but you put your body in a the same but you put your body in a physiological stressful environment and physiological stressful environment and physiological stressful environment and your body will respond to attempt to your body will respond to attempt to your body will respond to attempt to maintain homeostasis to keep the maintain homeostasis to keep the maintain homeostasis to keep the conditions inside your body the same no conditions inside your body the same no conditions inside your body the same no matter what the conditions outside are matter what the conditions outside are matter what the conditions outside are one of the responses is the production one of the responses is the production one of the responses is the production of proteins the principal job of DNA is of proteins the principal job of DNA is of proteins the principal job of DNA is to code up new proteins so great Thermo

1:02to code up new proteins so great Thermo to code up new proteins so great Thermo receptors sense that you are cold or hot receptors sense that you are cold or hot receptors sense that you are cold or hot and they activate the nervous system and they activate the nervous system and they activate the nervous system they signal the brown fat in your body they signal the brown fat in your body they signal the brown fat in your body to start producing heat and they signal to start producing heat and they signal to start producing heat and they signal other cells in your body to start other cells in your body to start other cells in your body to start producing other defense mechanisms cold producing other defense mechanisms cold producing other defense mechanisms cold shock proteins of which there are NRA shock proteins of which there are NRA shock proteins of which there are NRA are part of those but this study at a are part of those but this study at a are part of those but this study at a University of Rochester said there's a University of Rochester said there's a University of Rochester said there's a particular cold shock protein that particular cold shock protein that particular cold shock protein that repairs broken DNA and that may explain repairs broken DNA and that may explain repairs broken DNA and that may explain why boohead whales don't get cancer why boohead whales don't get cancer why boohead whales don't get cancer despite the fact that they're so despite the fact that they're so despite the fact that they're so enormous and live 200 enormous and live 200 enormous and live 200 years the overall principle is more years the overall principle is more years the overall principle is more important than the mechanisms there's a important than the mechanisms there's a important than the mechanisms there's a guy Hans cely s l ye and I might be guy Hans cely s l ye and I might be guy Hans cely s l ye and I might be mispronouncing his last name he's born mispronouncing his last name he's born mispronouncing his last name he's born in Vienna Austria like 1905 or something in Vienna Austria like 1905 or something in Vienna Austria like 1905 or something he comes over to North America he spent he comes over to North America he spent he comes over to North America he spent his whole career at McGill he's both a his whole career at McGill he's both a his whole career at McGill he's both a medical doctor and a PhD and he

1:03medical doctor and a PhD and he medical doctor and a PhD and he practically invented our modern concept practically invented our modern concept practically invented our modern concept of the term stress he noticed there are of the term stress he noticed there are of the term stress he noticed there are all these different diseases and you can all these different diseases and you can all these different diseases and you can induce them in laboratory rats and some induce them in laboratory rats and some induce them in laboratory rats and some of the characteristics of these diseases of the characteristics of these diseases of the characteristics of these diseases are common no matter what the disease is are common no matter what the disease is are common no matter what the disease is inflammation he goes well hang on a inflammation he goes well hang on a inflammation he goes well hang on a second if inflammation is characteristic second if inflammation is characteristic second if inflammation is characteristic of infection and inflammation is of infection and inflammation is of infection and inflammation is characteristic of injury inflammation is characteristic of injury inflammation is characteristic of injury inflammation is characteristic of cold stress then what characteristic of cold stress then what characteristic of cold stress then what the heck is inflammation like we can't the heck is inflammation like we can't the heck is inflammation like we can't use it to diagnose any particular use it to diagnose any particular use it to diagnose any particular disorder because it is present in all of disorder because it is present in all of disorder because it is present in all of them he goes I'm gonna call this them he goes I'm gonna call this them he goes I'm gonna call this generalized systemic physiological generalized systemic physiological generalized systemic physiological response stress and all of us now use response stress and all of us now use response stress and all of us now use this word stress in that way well in the this word stress in that way well in the this word stress in that way well in the early 70s at the end of his career he early 70s at the end of his career he early 70s at the end of his career he wrote a book called stress without wrote a book called stress without wrote a book called stress without stress and it introduced the idea that stress and it introduced the idea that stress and it introduced the idea that stress could be good for you that this

1:04stress could be good for you that this stress could be good for you that this is your body's natural response to the is your body's natural response to the is your body's natural response to the stress condition he redefines stress as stress condition he redefines stress as stress condition he redefines stress as not something negative but anything that not something negative but anything that not something negative but anything that puts a demand on the resources of your puts a demand on the resources of your puts a demand on the resources of your body now for me it's too General but body now for me it's too General but body now for me it's too General but he's talking about this generalized he's talking about this generalized he's talking about this generalized physiological response to our external physiological response to our external physiological response to our external stimulus he says you have a choice in stimulus he says you have a choice in stimulus he says you have a choice in how you respond to it which is very how you respond to it which is very how you respond to it which is very Victor Frankle of him Victor Frankle Victor Frankle of him Victor Frankle Victor Frankle of him Victor Frankle also born in Vienna he survived the Nazi also born in Vienna he survived the Nazi also born in Vienna he survived the Nazi death camps he moved to the United death camps he moved to the United death camps he moved to the United States and he's most famous for saying States and he's most famous for saying States and he's most famous for saying between stimulus and response there is a between stimulus and response there is a between stimulus and response there is a space and in that space is where our space and in that space is where our space and in that space is where our Free Will exists uh Scott Carney wrote a Free Will exists uh Scott Carney wrote a Free Will exists uh Scott Carney wrote a book called The Wedge and he was book called The Wedge and he was book called The Wedge and he was referring to Victor frankl's space where referring to Victor frankl's space where referring to Victor frankl's space where we choose our respons we choose our respons we choose our respons Hans cely pointed out that sometimes the Hans cely pointed out that sometimes the Hans cely pointed out that sometimes the response we choose to the stimulus is

1:05response we choose to the stimulus is response we choose to the stimulus is more dangerous than like the more dangerous than like the more dangerous than like the physiological the inflammation the physiological the inflammation the physiological the inflammation the stress itself so I think this is a very stress itself so I think this is a very stress itself so I think this is a very provocative idea because I work in provocative idea because I work in provocative idea because I work in resilient infrastructure there's a resilient infrastructure there's a resilient infrastructure there's a disaster there are choices that disaster there are choices that disaster there are choices that infrastructure managers and First infrastructure managers and First infrastructure managers and First Responders make that can either make the Responders make that can either make the Responders make that can either make the disaster worse or make it better it is disaster worse or make it better it is disaster worse or make it better it is how they handle how are they trained to how they handle how are they trained to how they handle how are they trained to handle the stress how are they trained handle the stress how are they trained handle the stress how are they trained to be surprised what are the Adaptive to be surprised what are the Adaptive to be surprised what are the Adaptive choices that they make in response that choices that they make in response that choices that they make in response that either make it a near miss or Cascade either make it a near miss or Cascade either make it a near miss or Cascade into a catastrophe so in civil into a catastrophe so in civil into a catastrophe so in civil engineering I have this professional engineering I have this professional engineering I have this professional interest but recently I've been writing interest but recently I've been writing interest but recently I've been writing a lot on PS PTSD and on stress and how a lot on PS PTSD and on stress and how a lot on PS PTSD and on stress and how our body our body our body responds many of the stresses that we've responds many of the stresses that we've responds many of the stresses that we've been told are dangerous for us are good been told are dangerous for us are good been told are dangerous for us are good for us it is our attitude about those for us it is our attitude about those for us it is our attitude about those stresses that we get to choose which stresses that we get to choose which stresses that we get to choose which dictates whether we benefit called you

1:06dictates whether we benefit called you dictates whether we benefit called you stress or whether we harm called stress or whether we harm called stress or whether we harm called distress the cold shock proteins are distress the cold shock proteins are distress the cold shock proteins are your body's response they they're going your body's response they they're going your body's response they they're going to happen in response to these external to happen in response to these external to happen in response to these external stimuli the meaning that you make about stimuli the meaning that you make about stimuli the meaning that you make about the experience of your stress is the experience of your stress is the experience of your stress is probably more important than the body's probably more important than the body's probably more important than the body's phys a lot probably more important than phys a lot probably more important than phys a lot probably more important than the mechanisms of cold shock or heat the mechanisms of cold shock or heat the mechanisms of cold shock or heat shock or whatever is and everything shock or whatever is and everything shock or whatever is and everything that's happening inside your body you that's happening inside your body you that's happening inside your body you don't actually need to know how a sauna don't actually need to know how a sauna don't actually need to know how a sauna can improve your vasculature and improve can improve your vasculature and improve can improve your vasculature and improve your endothelial function for you to your endothelial function for you to your endothelial function for you to benefit from the benefit from the benefit from the Z but it's helpful I find to visualize Z but it's helpful I find to visualize Z but it's helpful I find to visualize these things that are happening inside these things that are happening inside these things that are happening inside my body for me to make a meaning of the my body for me to make a meaning of the my body for me to make a meaning of the experience so when I get into the cold experience so when I get into the cold experience so when I get into the cold bath and I say okay this is what's bath and I say okay this is what's bath and I say okay this is what's happening with my baso constriction this happening with my baso constriction this happening with my baso constriction this is happening with my heart rate my body is happening with my heart rate my body is happening with my heart rate my body right now was expressing dopamine and right now was expressing dopamine and right now was expressing dopamine and norepinephrine and uh my oxytocin and

1:07norepinephrine and uh my oxytocin and norepinephrine and uh my oxytocin and vasopressin are becoming elevated it vasopressin are becoming elevated it vasopressin are becoming elevated it helps me construct a story of why I'm helps me construct a story of why I'm helps me construct a story of why I'm there in the first place and that is way there in the first place and that is way there in the first place and that is way better than you know the story that my better than you know the story that my better than you know the story that my toes are trying to tell me which is get toes are trying to tell me which is get toes are trying to tell me which is get us out of here you're gonna kill us you us out of here you're gonna kill us you us out of here you're gonna kill us you know this is what Cole feels like toast know this is what Cole feels like toast know this is what Cole feels like toast you hang in there everybody else is like you hang in there everybody else is like you hang in there everybody else is like doing their job we're all working on doing their job we're all working on doing their job we're all working on something here you got to remodel that something here you got to remodel that something here you got to remodel that micras muscul so that you can tolerate micras muscul so that you can tolerate micras muscul so that you can tolerate this it's only a couple minutes we're this it's only a couple minutes we're this it's only a couple minutes we're going to get you out in plenty of time going to get you out in plenty of time going to get you out in plenty of time you know I I have this whole fairy tale you know I I have this whole fairy tale you know I I have this whole fairy tale that goes on in my meditation talking to that goes on in my meditation talking to that goes on in my meditation talking to different parts of my body about the different parts of my body about the different parts of my body about the meaning of the experience that I'm meaning of the experience that I'm meaning of the experience that I'm having this is why I like huberman's having this is why I like huberman's having this is why I like huberman's approach deliberate cold exposure we're approach deliberate cold exposure we're approach deliberate cold exposure we're doing this on purpose because we want to doing this on purpose because we want to doing this on purpose because we want to create a a ESS environment we want the create a a ESS environment we want the create a a ESS environment we want the hormetic benefit of Cho losing the hormetic benefit of Cho losing the hormetic benefit of Cho losing the stress rather than having it thrust Upon stress rather than having it thrust Upon stress rather than having it thrust Upon Us in a context that we can't

1:08Us in a context that we can't Us in a context that we can't control yeah that makes sense the uh control yeah that makes sense the uh control yeah that makes sense the uh what got me into cold exposure in the what got me into cold exposure in the what got me into cold exposure in the first place with taking cold showers first place with taking cold showers first place with taking cold showers where someone first told me oh if you where someone first told me oh if you where someone first told me oh if you take a cold shower in the morning when take a cold shower in the morning when take a cold shower in the morning when you go out in the cold in the winter you go out in the cold in the winter you go out in the cold in the winter you're less cold and I was like oh it's you're less cold and I was like oh it's you're less cold and I was like oh it's true I'll give that a go so I would I true I'll give that a go so I would I true I'll give that a go so I would I would freeze myself before school in the would freeze myself before school in the would freeze myself before school in the morning and put a cold shower on this morning and put a cold shower on this morning and put a cold shower on this was like in high school before I even was like in high school before I even was like in high school before I even knew about any of like health benefits knew about any of like health benefits knew about any of like health benefits from it or whatever I would just take a from it or whatever I would just take a from it or whatever I would just take a freezing cold shower I'm in New Jersey freezing cold shower I'm in New Jersey freezing cold shower I'm in New Jersey so in the winter it gets it gets so in the winter it gets it gets so in the winter it gets it gets freaking cold and in high school I had freaking cold and in high school I had freaking cold and in high school I had to take a really long train ride to to take a really long train ride to to take a really long train ride to school I went to private school and it school I went to private school and it school I went to private school and it was like a very long cold freezing was like a very long cold freezing was like a very long cold freezing miserable commute and the cold showers miserable commute and the cold showers miserable commute and the cold showers actually pretty significantly made me actually pretty significantly made me actually pretty significantly made me more adapted to the cold and made my more adapted to the cold and made my more adapted to the cold and made my walk to and from the train significantly walk to and from the train significantly walk to and from the train significantly better um and then after high school I better um and then after high school I better um and then after high school I kind of just stopped doing it kind of kind of just stopped doing it kind of kind of just stopped doing it kind of forgot about it it kind of like came forgot about it it kind of like came forgot about it it kind of like came back into scope but yeah I do also like back into scope but yeah I do also like back into scope but yeah I do also like I was going to say even in the beginning I was going to say even in the beginning I was going to say even in the beginning when you told me uh everybody's kind of when you told me uh everybody's kind of when you told me uh everybody's kind of of terms that they use for it cold of terms that they use for it cold of terms that they use for it cold thermogenesis versus deliberate cold thermogenesis versus deliberate cold thermogenesis versus deliberate cold exposure I feel like there was one other

1:09exposure I feel like there was one other exposure I feel like there was one other one but I forget but I did like the one but I forget but I did like the one but I forget but I did like the deliberate cold exposure because that's deliberate cold exposure because that's deliberate cold exposure because that's the only one that really mentions or the only one that really mentions or the only one that really mentions or distinguishes from choosing to go into distinguishes from choosing to go into distinguishes from choosing to go into the cold and that making the difference the cold and that making the difference the cold and that making the difference um it's it's a mental thing I really um it's it's a mental thing I really um it's it's a mental thing I really like the story like talking to your toes like the story like talking to your toes like the story like talking to your toes and kind of having that conversation and kind of having that conversation and kind of having that conversation with yourself to kind of occupy your with yourself to kind of occupy your with yourself to kind of occupy your mind it is kind of like a meditation mind it is kind of like a meditation mind it is kind of like a meditation like talking to yourself or talking to like talking to yourself or talking to like talking to yourself or talking to your toes I never thought about it like your toes I never thought about it like your toes I never thought about it like that that that but I really like that now I I've also but I really like that now I I've also but I really like that now I I've also seen another was it my Spanish teacher seen another was it my Spanish teacher seen another was it my Spanish teacher like freshman or sophomore you're at like freshman or sophomore you're at like freshman or sophomore you're at college showed me a TED Talk by Kelly college showed me a TED Talk by Kelly college showed me a TED Talk by Kelly mcgonagle and it was about your vision mcgonagle and it was about your vision mcgonagle and it was about your vision of stress determining whether or not of stress determining whether or not of stress determining whether or not stress is good or bad for you they she stress is good or bad for you they she stress is good or bad for you they she displayed a study where they took people displayed a study where they took people displayed a study where they took people um and surveyed them by whether they um and surveyed them by whether they um and surveyed them by whether they think stress is good or bad for them and think stress is good or bad for them and think stress is good or bad for them and how much stress they get and then they how much stress they get and then they how much stress they get and then they compare to the data with like how long compare to the data with like how long compare to the data with like how long it took them all to die over like a 50 it took them all to die over like a 50 it took them all to die over like a 50 60 year period and it showed that the 60 year period and it showed that the 60 year period and it showed that the people who saw stress as something that people who saw stress as something that people who saw stress as something that was helpful or that something that was helpful or that something that was helpful or that something that wasn't bad lived longer which I thought

1:10wasn't bad lived longer which I thought wasn't bad lived longer which I thought was pretty nuts and at the time it was was pretty nuts and at the time it was was pretty nuts and at the time it was pretty helpful to me because I was a pretty helpful to me because I was a pretty helpful to me because I was a college kid who was stressed as they get college kid who was stressed as they get college kid who was stressed as they get and you know it was interesting for me and you know it was interesting for me and you know it was interesting for me to kind of flip that switch and change to kind of flip that switch and change to kind of flip that switch and change my mind about stress and see it as a my mind about stress and see it as a my mind about stress and see it as a positive thing and now as I've dove into positive thing and now as I've dove into positive thing and now as I've dove into testosterone research and things like testosterone research and things like testosterone research and things like that purposely putting your body in a that purposely putting your body in a that purposely putting your body in a stressful you know position allows your stressful you know position allows your stressful you know position allows your body to secrete and produce different body to secrete and produce different body to secrete and produce different hormones and neurotransmitters and hormones and neurotransmitters and hormones and neurotransmitters and chemicals that give you an advantage chemicals that give you an advantage chemicals that give you an advantage over people who aren't putting over people who aren't putting over people who aren't putting themselves in stressful situations so themselves in stressful situations so themselves in stressful situations so it's very interesting let's talk about it's very interesting let's talk about it's very interesting let's talk about Professor mcgonagal for a second um okay Professor mcgonagal for a second um okay Professor mcgonagal for a second um okay because she is a brilliant science because she is a brilliant science because she is a brilliant science Communicator that is a fantastic Ted Communicator that is a fantastic Ted Communicator that is a fantastic Ted Talk and later she published a book Talk and later she published a book Talk and later she published a book called The Upside of called The Upside of called The Upside of stress she talks a little bit in there stress she talks a little bit in there stress she talks a little bit in there about the cold pressure test now Kelly about the cold pressure test now Kelly about the cold pressure test now Kelly has a twin sister Jane mcgonagal and has a twin sister Jane mcgonagal and has a twin sister Jane mcgonagal and Jane's a gamer and a game designer and Jane's a gamer and a game designer and Jane's a gamer and a game designer and Jane's written a couple of books too so Jane's written a couple of books too so Jane's written a couple of books too so I read Kelly's upside of stress I read I read Kelly's upside of stress I read I read Kelly's upside of stress I read um Jan's super better and um shoot what

1:11um Jan's super better and um shoot what um Jan's super better and um shoot what was the other one about real I can't was the other one about real I can't was the other one about real I can't remember but so now I'm reading both the remember but so now I'm reading both the remember but so now I'm reading both the sisters books and there's a sharp sisters books and there's a sharp sisters books and there's a sharp contrast between them Jane mcgonagal contrast between them Jane mcgonagal contrast between them Jane mcgonagal talks about her own personal experiences talks about her own personal experiences talks about her own personal experiences she suffered a head injury brain fog she suffered a head injury brain fog she suffered a head injury brain fog couldn't work the therapies that um she couldn't work the therapies that um she couldn't work the therapies that um she was getting the diagnosis she again was getting the diagnosis she again was getting the diagnosis she again wasn't working at all she designed a wasn't working at all she designed a wasn't working at all she designed a game to help her own brain heal game to help her own brain heal game to help her own brain heal and it's in uh what is it Reality Bites and it's in uh what is it Reality Bites and it's in uh what is it Reality Bites it's she talks about it in super better it's she talks about it in super better it's she talks about it in super better she gamified her therapy to improve the she gamified her therapy to improve the she gamified her therapy to improve the function of her brain it's very personal function of her brain it's very personal function of her brain it's very personal book Kelly mcgonagal on the other hand book Kelly mcgonagal on the other hand book Kelly mcgonagal on the other hand when she talks about herself she says when she talks about herself she says when she talks about herself she says well I had a student in my class you well I had a student in my class you well I had a student in my class you know she doesn't talk about what she's know she doesn't talk about what she's know she doesn't talk about what she's gone through personally one of them the gone through personally one of them the gone through personally one of them the professor at Stanford Kelly she's got a professor at Stanford Kelly she's got a professor at Stanford Kelly she's got a PhD the other is just a game designer PhD the other is just a game designer PhD the other is just a game designer and an author without the formal and an author without the formal and an author without the formal education that I have one of the things

1:12education that I have one of the things education that I have one of the things that we learn in science is to separate that we learn in science is to separate that we learn in science is to separate our personal experience leave that out our personal experience leave that out our personal experience leave that out don't talk about personal experience don't talk about personal experience don't talk about personal experience just talk about observations and data just talk about observations and data just talk about observations and data and so Kelly has been true to that in and so Kelly has been true to that in and so Kelly has been true to that in her upside of stress but Jane because her upside of stress but Jane because her upside of stress but Jane because she's a game designer she's a she's a game designer she's a she's a game designer she's a Storyteller and she tells her stories in Storyteller and she tells her stories in Storyteller and she tells her stories in a very personal way first person here's a very personal way first person here's a very personal way first person here's what Kelly mcgonagle when she talks what Kelly mcgonagle when she talks what Kelly mcgonagle when she talks about the cold pressure test she talks about the cold pressure test she talks about the cold pressure test she talks about using it in the lab she talks about using it in the lab she talks about using it in the lab she talks about how psychologists will study the about how psychologists will study the about how psychologists will study the stress response by immersing the stress response by immersing the stress response by immersing the non-dominant hand in a bowl of ice water non-dominant hand in a bowl of ice water non-dominant hand in a bowl of ice water that freaks the subjects out they begin that freaks the subjects out they begin that freaks the subjects out they begin to perspire the heart rate goes up and to perspire the heart rate goes up and to perspire the heart rate goes up and this gives us a sense of how well they this gives us a sense of how well they this gives us a sense of how well they respond to stress she never talks about respond to stress she never talks about respond to stress she never talks about whether she's ever done it she never whether she's ever done it she never whether she's ever done it she never talks about and then I put my hand in talks about and then I put my hand in talks about and then I put my hand in the cold water and then I felt blah blah the cold water and then I felt blah blah the cold water and then I felt blah blah blah blah and I know she's never done it blah blah and I know she's never done it blah blah and I know she's never done it because on page like 186 she's trying to because on page like 186 she's trying to because on page like 186 she's trying to give the reader an appreciation of how give the reader an appreciation of how give the reader an appreciation of how difficult the cold pressure test is and

1:13difficult the cold pressure test is and difficult the cold pressure test is and she says if you immersed your whole body she says if you immersed your whole body she says if you immersed your whole body in ice waterer you'd be dead in two in ice waterer you'd be dead in two in ice waterer you'd be dead in two minutes you can look this up in her book minutes you can look this up in her book minutes you can look this up in her book you can highlight it like I did and then you can highlight it like I did and then you can highlight it like I did and then you know you finish reading that and you know you finish reading that and you know you finish reading that and you're you're you're like I must be dead because I've been in like I must be dead because I've been in like I must be dead because I've been in there up to 22 minutes I know a there up to 22 minutes I know a there up to 22 minutes I know a 13-year-old girl who saw Joe Rogan and 13-year-old girl who saw Joe Rogan and 13-year-old girl who saw Joe Rogan and she says says 20 minutes is nothing she she says says 20 minutes is nothing she she says says 20 minutes is nothing she was in there for half an hour before her was in there for half an hour before her was in there for half an hour before her mother pulled her out and I'll tell you mother pulled her out and I'll tell you mother pulled her out and I'll tell you that story and why because it's like I'm that story and why because it's like I'm that story and why because it's like I'm not encouraging other people to do it not encouraging other people to do it not encouraging other people to do it but this girl has cerebral paly she but this girl has cerebral paly she but this girl has cerebral paly she doesn't have the same Sensations below doesn't have the same Sensations below doesn't have the same Sensations below the waist that you and I have and the the waist that you and I have and the the waist that you and I have and the coal feels really good on her feet like coal feels really good on her feet like coal feels really good on her feet like she doesn't feel her feet in the way she doesn't feel her feet in the way she doesn't feel her feet in the way that we're accustomed to until she gets that we're accustomed to until she gets that we're accustomed to until she gets in the cold she's not a real Daredevil in the cold she's not a real Daredevil in the cold she's not a real Daredevil she's she's Thermo regulates differently she's she's Thermo regulates differently she's she's Thermo regulates differently and she likes feeling that stuff so yeah and she likes feeling that stuff so yeah and she likes feeling that stuff so yeah her and her mom we pulled her out a half her and her mom we pulled her out a half her and her mom we pulled her out a half an hour and said you prove your point an hour and said you prove your point an hour and said you prove your point and that's enough the point is Kelly

1:14and that's enough the point is Kelly and that's enough the point is Kelly mcgonagal has never been in the ice bath mcgonagal has never been in the ice bath mcgonagal has never been in the ice bath she's writing about it from the she's writing about it from the she's writing about it from the perspective of of a theorist you know perspective of of a theorist you know perspective of of a theorist you know she doesn't tell us how she manages her she doesn't tell us how she manages her she doesn't tell us how she manages her stress she tells us about the study that stress she tells us about the study that stress she tells us about the study that they did on other people managing stress they did on other people managing stress they did on other people managing stress so when I write my book I don't want to so when I write my book I don't want to so when I write my book I don't want to be be be like Kelly I don't want to be like Jane like Kelly I don't want to be like Jane like Kelly I don't want to be like Jane I want both I want to tell you about the I want both I want to tell you about the I want both I want to tell you about the you got it this is what happened to me you got it this is what happened to me you got it this is what happened to me when I did it this is what the study when I did it this is what the study when I did it this is what the study says the mechanisms are I want to blend says the mechanisms are I want to blend says the mechanisms are I want to blend the science and the experience of cold the science and the experience of cold the science and the experience of cold exposure so the people can relate to it exposure so the people can relate to it exposure so the people can relate to it as a story and for those people who are as a story and for those people who are as a story and for those people who are curious they can you they can go look up curious they can you they can go look up curious they can you they can go look up the journal articles if they want the journal articles if they want the journal articles if they want there's data that backs it up that gives there's data that backs it up that gives there's data that backs it up that gives them some good intuitions about what them some good intuitions about what them some good intuitions about what they want to try first and I can tell they want to try first and I can tell they want to try first and I can tell you uh Professor mogal although I've you uh Professor mogal although I've you uh Professor mogal although I've never met her it's not like I'm going to never met her it's not like I'm going to never met her it's not like I'm going to bump into her at a conference or

1:15bump into her at a conference or bump into her at a conference or something and I've been to Stanford something and I've been to Stanford something and I've been to Stanford several times what I've never looked her several times what I've never looked her several times what I've never looked her up two minutes of cold exposure will not up two minutes of cold exposure will not up two minutes of cold exposure will not kill kill kill you fair enough she since mov on she you fair enough she since mov on she you fair enough she since mov on she writes about other things now makes writes about other things now makes writes about other things now makes sense well it's the first time I've ever sense well it's the first time I've ever sense well it's the first time I've ever mentioned that and had someone actually mentioned that and had someone actually mentioned that and had someone actually like know who she is and have additional like know who she is and have additional like know who she is and have additional information that's cool um yeah I it's information that's cool um yeah I it's information that's cool um yeah I it's interesting the two minutes thing is interesting the two minutes thing is interesting the two minutes thing is pretty short I would say as a as an pretty short I would say as a as an pretty short I would say as a as an expectation of of killing you in two expectation of of killing you in two expectation of of killing you in two minutes as if that's never happened to minutes as if that's never happened to minutes as if that's never happened to somebody even before cold exposure somebody even before cold exposure somebody even before cold exposure became a popular thing I mean I've became a popular thing I mean I've became a popular thing I mean I've surfed in January with a wets suit on surfed in January with a wets suit on surfed in January with a wets suit on it's still you know freaking cold but it's still you know freaking cold but it's still you know freaking cold but you know yep it's it's it's different you know yep it's it's it's different you know yep it's it's it's different what do you think about that by the way what do you think about that by the way what do you think about that by the way surfing like what do you think about a surfing like what do you think about a surfing like what do you think about a wet suit as opposed to like you know wet suit as opposed to like you know wet suit as opposed to like you know when you wear the full suit with the when you wear the full suit with the when you wear the full suit with the gloves and boots and hats that you get gloves and boots and hats that you get gloves and boots and hats that you get that what they call ice cream heada so that what they call ice cream heada so that what they call ice cream heada so like when you duck dive under a wave the like when you duck dive under a wave the like when you duck dive under a wave the wave is coming you're paddling out you wave is coming you're paddling out you wave is coming you're paddling out you have to go underneath it you do that

1:16have to go underneath it you do that have to go underneath it you do that like three four times in a row on a full like three four times in a row on a full like three four times in a row on a full set that's coming at you and your head set that's coming at you and your head set that's coming at you and your head is just ringing with freezing this like is just ringing with freezing this like is just ringing with freezing this like almost like brain freeze um would you almost like brain freeze um would you almost like brain freeze um would you consider that something beneficial or consider that something beneficial or consider that something beneficial or something something I don't think it's something something I don't think it's something something I don't think it's beneficial for me like for the head it's beneficial for me like for the head it's beneficial for me like for the head it's different than like the different than like the different than like the body yeah when I do a shower I don't let body yeah when I do a shower I don't let body yeah when I do a shower I don't let the shower spray on the top of my head I the shower spray on the top of my head I the shower spray on the top of my head I don't like it I don't think it's good don't like it I don't think it's good don't like it I don't think it's good for me I don't think it's beneficial I for me I don't think it's beneficial I for me I don't think it's beneficial I will um like all over my shoulders or on will um like all over my shoulders or on will um like all over my shoulders or on my chest or even my neck but I keep the my chest or even my neck but I keep the my chest or even my neck but I keep the real cold water off the top of my head real cold water off the top of my head real cold water off the top of my head when I do an ice bath uh I like doing a when I do an ice bath uh I like doing a when I do an ice bath uh I like doing a d dunk I never stop breathing do not do d dunk I never stop breathing do not do d dunk I never stop breathing do not do a breath hold underwater in the ice bath a breath hold underwater in the ice bath a breath hold underwater in the ice bath especially if you've been doing like Vim especially if you've been doing like Vim especially if you've been doing like Vim Hof hyperventilation just don't do Hof hyperventilation just don't do Hof hyperventilation just don't do breath holds with ice bath but when I breath holds with ice bath but when I breath holds with ice bath but when I dunk it's no more than like 10 seconds dunk it's no more than like 10 seconds dunk it's no more than like 10 seconds and I'll do a continuous like breathing and I'll do a continuous like breathing and I'll do a continuous like breathing out I've snorkel around in a friend's

1:17out I've snorkel around in a friend's out I've snorkel around in a friend's bath it was only 50 degrees and I could bath it was only 50 degrees and I could bath it was only 50 degrees and I could stay in there all day but I'm always stay in there all day but I'm always stay in there all day but I'm always breathing even if my face is in the breathing even if my face is in the breathing even if my face is in the water when I dunk I go in quick my water when I dunk I go in quick my water when I dunk I go in quick my head's up at the top even though the head's up at the top even though the head's up at the top even though the water will cover the top of my head it's water will cover the top of my head it's water will cover the top of my head it's near as cold as like when you're diving near as cold as like when you're diving near as cold as like when you're diving under a wave makes sense my experience under a wave makes sense my experience under a wave makes sense my experience is body surfing Nantucket Island I don't is body surfing Nantucket Island I don't is body surfing Nantucket Island I don't know you might be familiar with it it's know you might be familiar with it it's know you might be familiar with it it's just a little further up the Gulf Stream just a little further up the Gulf Stream just a little further up the Gulf Stream from you uh on the Jersey Shore if from you uh on the Jersey Shore if from you uh on the Jersey Shore if you're in Nantucket Sound that's the you're in Nantucket Sound that's the you're in Nantucket Sound that's the north part of the island water's warm north part of the island water's warm north part of the island water's warm but if you're on the south part of the but if you're on the south part of the but if you're on the south part of the island that's the Atlantic Ocean it gets island that's the Atlantic Ocean it gets island that's the Atlantic Ocean it gets wicked cold I've experienced that that wicked cold I've experienced that that wicked cold I've experienced that that ice cream head that you're talking about ice cream head that you're talking about ice cream head that you're talking about I don't think it's ever done me any good I don't think it's ever done me any good I don't think it's ever done me any good cold water from the waist down yeah I cold water from the waist down yeah I cold water from the waist down yeah I think it's done me a lot of good and think it's done me a lot of good and think it's done me a lot of good and there's nothing wrong with a wet suit if there's nothing wrong with a wet suit if there's nothing wrong with a wet suit if you're going to be out there three or you're going to be out there three or you're going to be out there three or four hours then you're going to get a four hours then you're going to get a four hours then you're going to get a lot of heat extraction the wet suit is lot of heat extraction the wet suit is lot of heat extraction the wet suit is going to help you especially because uh going to help you especially because uh going to help you especially because uh I don't know my skin used to chafe when

1:18I don't know my skin used to chafe when I don't know my skin used to chafe when I was on the border on the raft and yeah I was on the border on the raft and yeah I was on the border on the raft and yeah even in the summer I like wearing the even in the summer I like wearing the even in the summer I like wearing the suit it's yeah it's better right the suit it's yeah it's better right the suit it's yeah it's better right the Chafe is the number one reason yeah it Chafe is the number one reason yeah it Chafe is the number one reason yeah it makes tot sense it's miserable makes tot sense it's miserable makes tot sense it's miserable yep however um the dunking that you're yep however um the dunking that you're yep however um the dunking that you're doing like because you want to get under doing like because you want to get under doing like because you want to get under a wave and you want to get out there a wave and you want to get out there a wave and you want to get out there don't think it's doing your head any don't think it's doing your head any don't think it's doing your head any good to have all that cold water on top good to have all that cold water on top good to have all that cold water on top let me tell you a story that um that let me tell you a story that um that let me tell you a story that um that that kind of backs it up why were our that kind of backs it up why were our that kind of backs it up why were our ancestors in the cold water we are ancestors in the cold water we are ancestors in the cold water we are aquatic Apes like if you buy the that aquatic Apes like if you buy the that aquatic Apes like if you buy the that human beings belong in the eight family human beings belong in the eight family human beings belong in the eight family and a lot of people don't want to hear and a lot of people don't want to hear and a lot of people don't want to hear that because we really shouldn't be that because we really shouldn't be that because we really shouldn't be compared to chimpanzees but we are compared to chimpanzees but we are compared to chimpanzees but we are primates and we share 99% of our DNA primates and we share 99% of our DNA primates and we share 99% of our DNA with like bonobos and stuff lot with like bonobos and stuff lot with like bonobos and stuff lot sorry say again said that's definitely sorry say again said that's definitely sorry say again said that's definitely significant worth noting

1:19significant worth noting significant worth noting right I'm talking anatomically not right I'm talking anatomically not right I'm talking anatomically not spiritually or a religious I'm talking spiritually or a religious I'm talking spiritually or a religious I'm talking we share a lot of anatomy with Apes but we share a lot of anatomy with Apes but we share a lot of anatomy with Apes but there are very important differences one there are very important differences one there are very important differences one of them is we have subcutaneous fat that of them is we have subcutaneous fat that of them is we have subcutaneous fat that is fat right below the skin I got plenty is fat right below the skin I got plenty is fat right below the skin I got plenty of it Apes don't have that another is of it Apes don't have that another is of it Apes don't have that another is our nostrils Point down chimpanzees our nostrils Point down chimpanzees our nostrils Point down chimpanzees orangutangs they point out orangutangs they point out orangutangs they point out H another is you know they got all this H another is you know they got all this H another is you know they got all this hair we don't have a lot of hair and hair we don't have a lot of hair and hair we don't have a lot of hair and here's the most interesting one human here's the most interesting one human here's the most interesting one human babies are born knowing how to swim with babies are born knowing how to swim with babies are born knowing how to swim with a swim Instinct you know a giraffe comes a swim Instinct you know a giraffe comes a swim Instinct you know a giraffe comes out of its mother and it's like up on out of its mother and it's like up on out of its mother and it's like up on its long legs and is running around on its long legs and is running around on its long legs and is running around on the planes and our kids aren't like that the planes and our kids aren't like that the planes and our kids aren't like that our kids are born knowing how to swim we our kids are born knowing how to swim we our kids are born knowing how to swim we are made for the water because we have are made for the water because we have are made for the water because we have these anatomical um features that are in these anatomical um features that are in these anatomical um features that are in common with dolphins and whales and common with dolphins and whales and common with dolphins and whales and Aquatic mammals and not with you know

1:20Aquatic mammals and not with you know Aquatic mammals and not with you know orangutangs and orangutangs and orangutangs and chimpanzees why is why are we made for chimpanzees why is why are we made for chimpanzees why is why are we made for the water because that's where our the water because that's where our the water because that's where our ancient ancestors lived how the heck did ancient ancestors lived how the heck did ancient ancestors lived how the heck did Homo sapiens survive the Ice Age you got Homo sapiens survive the Ice Age you got Homo sapiens survive the Ice Age you got um the oldest fossil cells or or or um the oldest fossil cells or or or um the oldest fossil cells or or or samples that have been found in the samples that have been found in the samples that have been found in the world are in East Africa and so at least world are in East Africa and so at least world are in East Africa and so at least the hypothesis that maybe Homo sapiens the hypothesis that maybe Homo sapiens the hypothesis that maybe Homo sapiens emerge in East Africa well what do they emerge in East Africa well what do they emerge in East Africa well what do they have in East Africa there are four have in East Africa there are four have in East Africa there are four active glaciers on the equator in East active glaciers on the equator in East active glaciers on the equator in East Africa to this day but during the Ice Africa to this day but during the Ice Africa to this day but during the Ice Age it meant that the few human beings Age it meant that the few human beings Age it meant that the few human beings that existed in the world were packed that existed in the world were packed that existed in the world were packed between the glacier and the ocean even between the glacier and the ocean even between the glacier and the ocean even though they're on the equator and though they're on the equator and though they're on the equator and there's plenty of sunshine and the air there's plenty of sunshine and the air there's plenty of sunshine and the air can be warm the water was cold and can be warm the water was cold and can be warm the water was cold and unlike other unlike other unlike other primates we went into the cold water to primates we went into the cold water to primates we went into the cold water to forage to fish and to give birth this is

1:21forage to fish and to give birth this is forage to fish and to give birth this is why because the the water first of all why because the the water first of all why because the the water first of all it reduces the Pains of contraction the it reduces the Pains of contraction the it reduces the Pains of contraction the ease of the labor and has an analgesic ease of the labor and has an analgesic ease of the labor and has an analgesic effect so Umar our ancient grandmothers effect so Umar our ancient grandmothers effect so Umar our ancient grandmothers they must have gone into these Glacier they must have gone into these Glacier they must have gone into these Glacier melt streams to give birth to the Next melt streams to give birth to the Next melt streams to give birth to the Next Generation and this is why the babies Generation and this is why the babies Generation and this is why the babies have the instinct to have the instinct to have the instinct to swin so if you've ever seen like an swin so if you've ever seen like an swin so if you've ever seen like an orangutang waiting across a stream you orangutang waiting across a stream you orangutang waiting across a stream you get it you understand why we walk on two get it you understand why we walk on two get it you understand why we walk on two feet where all the other close relatives feet where all the other close relatives feet where all the other close relatives are you know are you know are you know quadrupeds because we were fishing we quadrupeds because we were fishing we quadrupeds because we were fishing we were looking for the um to eat the were looking for the um to eat the were looking for the um to eat the shellfish and the creatures that live in shellfish and the creatures that live in shellfish and the creatures that live in the water and that probably helped the the water and that probably helped the the water and that probably helped the development of some preh homo sapien you development of some preh homo sapien you development of some preh homo sapien you know some other homonid brain where know some other homonid brain where know some other homonid brain where built for cold exposure we are not built built for cold exposure we are not built built for cold exposure we are not built to have our heads underwater all the

1:22to have our heads underwater all the to have our heads underwater all the time you know we're aquatic but we're time you know we're aquatic but we're time you know we're aquatic but we're not whales we're not Dolphins free not whales we're not Dolphins free not whales we're not Dolphins free diving is extraordinarily dangerous um diving is extraordinarily dangerous um diving is extraordinarily dangerous um you know because people suffocate and you know because people suffocate and you know because people suffocate and drown what we were meant to do is Spear drown what we were meant to do is Spear drown what we were meant to do is Spear Fish um collect clams oysters muscles Fish um collect clams oysters muscles Fish um collect clams oysters muscles grab the fish with our hands grab the fish with our hands grab the fish with our hands occasionally our nozil Point down occasionally our nozil Point down occasionally our nozil Point down because sometimes we have to go because sometimes we have to go because sometimes we have to go underwater and when you dive underwater underwater and when you dive underwater underwater and when you dive underwater you don't want the water like pushing up you don't want the water like pushing up you don't want the water like pushing up into your nasal cavity but don't put a into your nasal cavity but don't put a into your nasal cavity but don't put a lot of cold water on your head uh your lot of cold water on your head uh your lot of cold water on your head uh your you know great great ancient Grand Eve you know great great ancient Grand Eve you know great great ancient Grand Eve would have never done it and you're not would have never done it and you're not would have never done it and you're not built for it either all right that makes built for it either all right that makes built for it either all right that makes sense now I have an excuse not to do it sense now I have an excuse not to do it sense now I have an excuse not to do it this winter right and you got a good this winter right and you got a good this winter right and you got a good story yeah I'll bring the longboard I'll story yeah I'll bring the longboard I'll story yeah I'll bring the longboard I'll try to keep my head serent you can't try to keep my head serent you can't try to keep my head serent you can't avoid it like you want to get out where avoid it like you want to get out where avoid it like you want to get out where they're gonna break so you got no choice they're gonna break so you got no choice they're gonna break so you got no choice the wave's coming at you in that moment the wave's coming at you in that moment the wave's coming at you in that moment you're out there you're like there's you're out there you're like there's you're out there you're like there's nothing you could do all you could do is

1:23nothing you could do all you could do is nothing you could do all you could do is if it's the first wave of the set you if it's the first wave of the set you if it's the first wave of the set you can turn around and let it push you to can turn around and let it push you to can turn around and let it push you to Shore and be like I ain't taking those Shore and be like I ain't taking those Shore and be like I ain't taking those next three waves on the head I'm going next three waves on the head I'm going next three waves on the head I'm going in and sometimes that even isig it is in and sometimes that even isig it is in and sometimes that even isig it is exactly so uh a couple things I want to exactly so uh a couple things I want to exactly so uh a couple things I want to add to that I I'm so happy you talked add to that I I'm so happy you talked add to that I I'm so happy you talked about this topic because it's my about this topic because it's my about this topic because it's my favorite topic to talk about is our favorite topic to talk about is our favorite topic to talk about is our Origins from you know like East Africa Origins from you know like East Africa Origins from you know like East Africa and like our semi-aquatic you could say and like our semi-aquatic you could say and like our semi-aquatic you could say um Origins and I feel like it's not um Origins and I feel like it's not um Origins and I feel like it's not talked about that that much but I love talked about that that much but I love talked about that that much but I love Jack Cruz's philosophy on this um and Jack Cruz's philosophy on this um and Jack Cruz's philosophy on this um and he's mentioned a couple other things he's mentioned a couple other things he's mentioned a couple other things something I've noticed as well a something I've noticed as well a something I've noticed as well a difference between us and chimps is that difference between us and chimps is that difference between us and chimps is that we have webbings on our fingers and toes we have webbings on our fingers and toes we have webbings on our fingers and toes that they don't have as well anatomical that they don't have as well anatomical that they don't have as well anatomical difference that allows us to swim faster difference that allows us to swim faster difference that allows us to swim faster why would that be why would that be yeah why would that be why would that be yeah why would that be why would that be yeah so that's another interesting one and uh so that's another interesting one and uh so that's another interesting one and uh something that I learned from Jack Cruz something that I learned from Jack Cruz something that I learned from Jack Cruz that I think is super interesting is that I think is super interesting is that I think is super interesting is that we have more DHA in our brains than that we have more DHA in our brains than that we have more DHA in our brains than all other all other all other land mammals and then dolphins are the land mammals and then dolphins are the land mammals and then dolphins are the have the second most DHA in their brains

1:24have the second most DHA in their brains have the second most DHA in their brains so I find that super fascinating as well so I find that super fascinating as well so I find that super fascinating as well I did a post on this not too long ago um I did a post on this not too long ago um I did a post on this not too long ago um and I've always and I've always and I've always reced he recommended a book on the reced he recommended a book on the reced he recommended a book on the relationship between food and the relationship between food and the relationship between food and the evolution of the human brain it's a $182 evolution of the human brain it's a $182 evolution of the human brain it's a $182 book I went ahead and bought it Amazon book I went ahead and bought it Amazon book I went ahead and bought it Amazon says they delivered it I don't know what says they delivered it I don't know what says they delivered it I don't know what I did with it and it's such an important I did with it and it's such an important I did with it and it's such an important link that I'm like God dang it I'm link that I'm like God dang it I'm link that I'm like God dang it I'm probably gonna spend another $182 to probably gonna spend another $182 to probably gonna spend another $182 to just because I lost the first one you just because I lost the first one you just because I lost the first one you know but I'm a professor you can see I know but I'm a professor you can see I know but I'm a professor you can see I like accumulate books like some people like accumulate books like some people like accumulate books like some people collect baseball cards the point is the collect baseball cards the point is the collect baseball cards the point is the relationship between the shellfish and relationship between the shellfish and relationship between the shellfish and the the finfish that are Aquatic ancestors must finfish that are Aquatic ancestors must finfish that are Aquatic ancestors must have been eating and the development of have been eating and the development of have been eating and the development of our brain that's not a coincidence I our brain that's not a coincidence I our brain that's not a coincidence I know people they don't like seafood know people they don't like seafood know people they don't like seafood and um you know they won't eat it and um you know they won't eat it and um you know they won't eat it because they don't like the texture they because they don't like the texture they because they don't like the texture they don't like the taste it's a dang shame

1:25don't like the taste it's a dang shame don't like the taste it's a dang shame because I'll open up a can of sardines because I'll open up a can of sardines because I'll open up a can of sardines and I happen to like all different kinds and I happen to like all different kinds and I happen to like all different kinds of seafood and I'm not in an environment of seafood and I'm not in an environment of seafood and I'm not in an environment in Phoenix where um you know I can go in Phoenix where um you know I can go in Phoenix where um you know I can go down to the ocean and pull my own down to the ocean and pull my own down to the ocean and pull my own Lobster out of it so I gotta get the Lobster out of it so I gotta get the Lobster out of it so I gotta get the canned foods a lot but it's packed full canned foods a lot but it's packed full canned foods a lot but it's packed full of things that my brain needs and that of things that my brain needs and that of things that my brain needs and that my ancient ancestors sort of grew up on my ancient ancestors sort of grew up on my ancient ancestors sort of grew up on yeah anecdotally myself I think this is yeah anecdotally myself I think this is yeah anecdotally myself I think this is actually super interesting I never ate actually super interesting I never ate actually super interesting I never ate Seafood my entire life until very Seafood my entire life until very Seafood my entire life until very recently about a year ago um I actually recently about a year ago um I actually recently about a year ago um I actually also never ate meat for the majority of also never ate meat for the majority of also never ate meat for the majority of my life until about almost two years ago my life until about almost two years ago my life until about almost two years ago so I and that was just I had some so I and that was just I had some so I and that was just I had some serious digestive issues back in the day serious digestive issues back in the day serious digestive issues back in the day and certain foods just kind of like and certain foods just kind of like and certain foods just kind of like scared me off as a kid and then I never scared me off as a kid and then I never scared me off as a kid and then I never really ate them until I had a reason really ate them until I had a reason really ate them until I had a reason until I fixed my gut with certain things until I fixed my gut with certain things until I fixed my gut with certain things and then was able to digest foods and then was able to digest foods and then was able to digest foods without getting heartburn from [ __ ] without getting heartburn from [ __ ] without getting heartburn from [ __ ] everything I ever ate so that's that's everything I ever ate so that's that's everything I ever ate so that's that's the reason but I just recently started the reason but I just recently started the reason but I just recently started exploring seafood and I feel Lighty

1:26exploring seafood and I feel Lighty exploring seafood and I feel Lighty years different I feel sharper I was years different I feel sharper I was years different I feel sharper I was already pretty sharp but I feel a already pretty sharp but I feel a already pretty sharp but I feel a different level of just mental Clarity different level of just mental Clarity different level of just mental Clarity and energy and Sleep Quality and it it's and energy and Sleep Quality and it it's and energy and Sleep Quality and it it's pretty interesting and now I I like pretty interesting and now I I like pretty interesting and now I I like honestly a lot of it I don't love honestly a lot of it I don't love honestly a lot of it I don't love oysters I also don't love the sauces oysters I also don't love the sauces oysters I also don't love the sauces that people use on the oysters so I just that people use on the oysters so I just that people use on the oysters so I just do Straight lemon juice oysters and Yep do Straight lemon juice oysters and Yep do Straight lemon juice oysters and Yep they're honestly not delicious but not they're honestly not delicious but not they're honestly not delicious but not disgusting so I get them down yes they disgusting so I get them down yes they disgusting so I get them down yes they are they're the snot of the ocean I are they're the snot of the ocean I are they're the snot of the ocean I don't think they're that bad without the don't think they're that bad without the don't think they're that bad without the lemon juice they're bad but with the lemon juice they're bad but with the lemon juice they're bad but with the lemon juice lemon juice lemon juice they're they're tolerable and I noticed they're they're tolerable and I noticed they're they're tolerable and I noticed the difference when I haven't had them the difference when I haven't had them the difference when I haven't had them even for like a week and in Jersey we even for like a week and in Jersey we even for like a week and in Jersey we have Oysters Galore here so especially have Oysters Galore here so especially have Oysters Galore here so especially when I'm you know down at the shore we when I'm you know down at the shore we when I'm you know down at the shore we have some of the best seafood like that have some of the best seafood like that have some of the best seafood like that I've ever like seen I agree it's the I've ever like seen I agree it's the I've ever like seen I agree it's the oyster quality is just unbelievable and oyster quality is just unbelievable and oyster quality is just unbelievable and when I eat them I feel totally different when I eat them I feel totally different when I eat them I feel totally different like wake up humping your bed but like like wake up humping your bed but like like wake up humping your bed but like wake up with you know a different level

1:27wake up with you know a different level wake up with you know a different level of energy and like I don't know Clarity of energy and like I don't know Clarity of energy and like I don't know Clarity so anecdotally I definitely have no so anecdotally I definitely have no so anecdotally I definitely have no noticed a difference now oysters were noticed a difference now oysters were noticed a difference now oysters were the first thing oysters and salmon were the first thing oysters and salmon were the first thing oysters and salmon were the two that I originally started the two that I originally started the two that I originally started dabbling with and now recently I've been dabbling with and now recently I've been dabbling with and now recently I've been really going into the sushi stuff so really going into the sushi stuff so really going into the sushi stuff so I've been having a bunch of other types I've been having a bunch of other types I've been having a bunch of other types of fish and having variety I tried like of fish and having variety I tried like of fish and having variety I tried like the samon eggs I tried sea urchin this the samon eggs I tried sea urchin this the samon eggs I tried sea urchin this weekend for my birthday I tried uh like weekend for my birthday I tried uh like weekend for my birthday I tried uh like red snapper fluke I got like the whole red snapper fluke I got like the whole red snapper fluke I got like the whole of all the raw fish and it's of all the raw fish and it's of all the raw fish and it's unbelievable I woke up the next day unbelievable I woke up the next day unbelievable I woke up the next day feeling unbelievable my performance in feeling unbelievable my performance in feeling unbelievable my performance in the gym I'm just totally different so I the gym I'm just totally different so I the gym I'm just totally different so I mean it's been cool for me to have the mean it's been cool for me to have the mean it's been cool for me to have the different contrast of experience of not different contrast of experience of not different contrast of experience of not having any of it at all and then kind of having any of it at all and then kind of having any of it at all and then kind of exploring meat and beef and buffalo and exploring meat and beef and buffalo and exploring meat and beef and buffalo and that kind of stuff and eggs and then that kind of stuff and eggs and then that kind of stuff and eggs and then adding fish on top of that and noting adding fish on top of that and noting adding fish on top of that and noting the differences and really coming to the the differences and really coming to the the differences and really coming to the conclusion that we kind of need all of conclusion that we kind of need all of conclusion that we kind of need all of these things and before that I did a these things and before that I did a these things and before that I did a period where I just only ate fruit for period where I just only ate fruit for period where I just only ate fruit for very long period of time a couple years very long period of time a couple years very long period of time a couple years because fruit was the only food that because fruit was the only food that because fruit was the only food that wouldn't give me heartburn so in the wouldn't give me heartburn so in the wouldn't give me heartburn so in the moment I was like oh I I pretty much

1:28moment I was like oh I I pretty much moment I was like oh I I pretty much solved my problem but then anytime I solved my problem but then anytime I solved my problem but then anytime I would eat something that's not fruit I would eat something that's not fruit I would eat something that's not fruit I would get the heartburn again and then would get the heartburn again and then would get the heartburn again and then it wasn't until I lived in Hawaii and it wasn't until I lived in Hawaii and it wasn't until I lived in Hawaii and got introduced to raw milk from a farmer got introduced to raw milk from a farmer got introduced to raw milk from a farmer in Hawaii that my gut started to fix in Hawaii that my gut started to fix in Hawaii that my gut started to fix itself and then some things lit up in my itself and then some things lit up in my itself and then some things lit up in my brain and I was like this is some brain and I was like this is some brain and I was like this is some serious [ __ ] right here like I got to serious [ __ ] right here like I got to serious [ __ ] right here like I got to figure out like dive deeper into this figure out like dive deeper into this figure out like dive deeper into this and then from there I continued started and then from there I continued started and then from there I continued started eating meat started eating eggs again eating meat started eating eggs again eating meat started eating eggs again started doing like a bunch of other started doing like a bunch of other started doing like a bunch of other stuff and I think really it was raw milk stuff and I think really it was raw milk stuff and I think really it was raw milk kefir that really fixed my gut and kefir that really fixed my gut and kefir that really fixed my gut and allowed me to do things and then now I allowed me to do things and then now I allowed me to do things and then now I can pretty much eat whatever without can pretty much eat whatever without can pretty much eat whatever without harburn and this opened up a whole door harburn and this opened up a whole door harburn and this opened up a whole door foods that I could eat and it's foods that I could eat and it's foods that I could eat and it's completely changed my life I gained like completely changed my life I gained like completely changed my life I gained like 35 pounds um so it's been pretty pretty 35 pounds um so it's been pretty pretty 35 pounds um so it's been pretty pretty profound to my life for sure um I've profound to my life for sure um I've profound to my life for sure um I've seen your before pictures Nick and the seen your before pictures Nick and the seen your before pictures Nick and the way that you're explaining your diet and way that you're explaining your diet and way that you're explaining your diet and your gut now I'm like oh okay it makes your gut now I'm like oh okay it makes your gut now I'm like oh okay it makes sense y the fruit is a real sense y the fruit is a real sense y the fruit is a real controversial one I've talked to Paul controversial one I've talked to Paul controversial one I've talked to Paul saladino about it because you know he

1:29saladino about it because you know he saladino about it because you know he wrote this book called the carnivore wrote this book called the carnivore wrote this book called the carnivore code and now he's changed it to code and now he's changed it to code and now he's changed it to animal-based and it's confusing for animal-based and it's confusing for animal-based and it's confusing for people but um saladino has tried people but um saladino has tried people but um saladino has tried vegetarian he's tried vegan um he didn't vegetarian he's tried vegan um he didn't vegetarian he's tried vegan um he didn't go carnivore because vegetarian was go carnivore because vegetarian was go carnivore because vegetarian was working so good for him you know yeah working so good for him you know yeah working so good for him you know yeah it's a it's an evolution of of ideas it's a it's an evolution of of ideas it's a it's an evolution of of ideas that he's tried out and now he's worked that he's tried out and now he's worked that he's tried out and now he's worked fruits he lives down in Costa ricao so fruits he lives down in Costa ricao so fruits he lives down in Costa ricao so he can get fruit all the time I'm he can get fruit all the time I'm he can get fruit all the time I'm familiar with it makes sense say again familiar with it makes sense say again familiar with it makes sense say again I'm familiar with saladino I've been I'm familiar with saladino I've been I'm familiar with saladino I've been following him for a while yeah when you following him for a while yeah when you following him for a while yeah when you think about it I'm gonna think about my think about it I'm gonna think about my think about it I'm gonna think about my ancestors do you think it's summer time ancestors do you think it's summer time ancestors do you think it's summer time it's June whatever and they come across it's June whatever and they come across it's June whatever and they come across a blueberry patch do you think they're a blueberry patch do you think they're a blueberry patch do you think they're not gonna eat the damn blueberries you not gonna eat the damn blueberries you not gonna eat the damn blueberries you think they're gonna go chasing rabbits think they're gonna go chasing rabbits think they're gonna go chasing rabbits around or something like of course around or something like of course around or something like of course they're going to eat the blueberries and they're going to eat the blueberries and they're going to eat the blueberries and fall they're going to eat the apples now fall they're going to eat the apples now fall they're going to eat the apples now the apples have been so hybridized and the apples have been so hybridized and the apples have been so hybridized and like there's a lot of apples that aren't like there's a lot of apples that aren't like there's a lot of apples that aren't good for you but fruit in season is what

1:30good for you but fruit in season is what good for you but fruit in season is what my great you know ancient ancestors my great you know ancient ancestors my great you know ancient ancestors would eat now where were they going to would eat now where were they going to would eat now where were they going to get fruit in the winter time I stopped get fruit in the winter time I stopped get fruit in the winter time I stopped eating avocados um you know I'm here in eating avocados um you know I'm here in eating avocados um you know I'm here in Phoenix we can get all the avocados we Phoenix we can get all the avocados we Phoenix we can get all the avocados we want up from Mexico whenever we want want up from Mexico whenever we want want up from Mexico whenever we want them but I stopped eating them because them but I stopped eating them because them but I stopped eating them because I'm like I don't think Granddad ever PE I'm like I don't think Granddad ever PE I'm like I don't think Granddad ever PE an avocado you know it's just not an avocado you know it's just not an avocado you know it's just not something that my ancestors would have something that my ancestors would have something that my ancestors would have had access to but honey blueberries had access to but honey blueberries had access to but honey blueberries treat fruits cherries when they're in treat fruits cherries when they're in treat fruits cherries when they're in season yeah I'll eat them too yeah season yeah I'll eat them too yeah season yeah I'll eat them too yeah especially in the summer here in Jersey especially in the summer here in Jersey especially in the summer here in Jersey I go pick them I don't even like going I go pick them I don't even like going I go pick them I don't even like going to the stores they're in season I'll go to the stores they're in season I'll go to the stores they're in season I'll go to the to the to the farm PLS absolutely favorite peaches and farm PLS absolutely favorite peaches and farm PLS absolutely favorite peaches and blueberries are my top two easy yep the blueberries are my top two easy yep the blueberries are my top two easy yep the best but yeah in the winter I mean I do best but yeah in the winter I mean I do best but yeah in the winter I mean I do freeze them sometimes because I do love freeze them sometimes because I do love freeze them sometimes because I do love smoothies I like to make smoothies smoothies I like to make smoothies smoothies I like to make smoothies throughout the winter but I am a big throughout the winter but I am a big throughout the winter but I am a big advocate for the concept of local

1:31advocate for the concept of local advocate for the concept of local seasonal food um so I I prefer not to seasonal food um so I I prefer not to seasonal food um so I I prefer not to eat food that comes from other places eat food that comes from other places eat food that comes from other places like even now in the summer here in like even now in the summer here in like even now in the summer here in Jersey I try not to eat bananas I don't Jersey I try not to eat bananas I don't Jersey I try not to eat bananas I don't really eat that many avocados we don't really eat that many avocados we don't really eat that many avocados we don't have them here so I feel like back to have them here so I feel like back to have them here so I feel like back to what you were saying before about the what you were saying before about the what you were saying before about the major things that how we're not machines major things that how we're not machines major things that how we're not machines and how food is information the number and how food is information the number and how food is information the number one thing that food teaches us is what's one thing that food teaches us is what's one thing that food teaches us is what's going on in our environment if you're going on in our environment if you're going on in our environment if you're eating food that was shipped from across eating food that was shipped from across eating food that was shipped from across the world it's confusing your body and the world it's confusing your body and the world it's confusing your body and teaching you that you're in an teaching you that you're in an teaching you that you're in an environment that you're not in so that's environment that you're not in so that's environment that you're not in so that's corre you not beneficial to your body in corre you not beneficial to your body in corre you not beneficial to your body in the way that I feel like some people the way that I feel like some people the way that I feel like some people make it out to be depending on even what make it out to be depending on even what make it out to be depending on even what it is and avocado is a great fruit you it is and avocado is a great fruit you it is and avocado is a great fruit you know there's a lot of different research know there's a lot of different research know there's a lot of different research on what it has in it as far as like the on what it has in it as far as like the on what it has in it as far as like the fats and the you know different minerals fats and the you know different minerals fats and the you know different minerals and whatever bore on for lots of and whatever bore on for lots of and whatever bore on for lots of different problems that you may have but different problems that you may have but different problems that you may have but if you don't have avocados near you it's if you don't have avocados near you it's if you don't have avocados near you it's kind of it shouldn't be an option it's kind of it shouldn't be an option it's kind of it shouldn't be an option it's not supposed to be an option and if we not supposed to be an option and if we not supposed to be an option and if we think that we need avocados to have think that we need avocados to have think that we need avocados to have higher HDL we we really should be

1:32higher HDL we we really should be higher HDL we we really should be looking into things a little bit deeper looking into things a little bit deeper looking into things a little bit deeper but yeah same thing with like uh you but yeah same thing with like uh you but yeah same thing with like uh you know any other fruits and it was cool know any other fruits and it was cool know any other fruits and it was cool for me I lived in the Dominican Republic for me I lived in the Dominican Republic for me I lived in the Dominican Republic for a while so In the Heat of the summer for a while so In the Heat of the summer for a while so In the Heat of the summer I was picking mangoes off the ground or I was picking mangoes off the ground or I was picking mangoes off the ground or I was eating you know different stuff I was eating you know different stuff I was eating you know different stuff and now that I'm back in Jersey you know and now that I'm back in Jersey you know and now that I'm back in Jersey you know it's different stuff too in Hawaii it it's different stuff too in Hawaii it it's different stuff too in Hawaii it was passion fruits it was papayas now was passion fruits it was papayas now was passion fruits it was papayas now it's you know blueberri strawberries it's you know blueberri strawberries it's you know blueberri strawberries raspberries blackberries peaches plums raspberries blackberries peaches plums raspberries blackberries peaches plums apricots cherries I mean I really do apricots cherries I mean I really do apricots cherries I mean I really do love jersey for the food man I got like love jersey for the food man I got like love jersey for the food man I got like pretty much the best Food Network I've pretty much the best Food Network I've pretty much the best Food Network I've ever had anywhere I've ever lived I ever had anywhere I've ever lived I ever had anywhere I've ever lived I lived in some of the most tropical lived in some of the most tropical lived in some of the most tropical beautiful places in the world I get the beautiful places in the world I get the beautiful places in the world I get the best food right here in Jersey where I best food right here in Jersey where I best food right here in Jersey where I grew up we get the best it's the Garden grew up we get the best it's the Garden grew up we get the best it's the Garden State yeah yeah that's true yeah we get State yeah yeah that's true yeah we get State yeah yeah that's true yeah we get the great Seafood we get really great the great Seafood we get really great the great Seafood we get really great fruit in the summer and out in Lancaster fruit in the summer and out in Lancaster fruit in the summer and out in Lancaster PA only a couple hours away we get some PA only a couple hours away we get some PA only a couple hours away we get some really high quality animal Foods really really high quality animal Foods really really high quality animal Foods really good high quality Dairy and meat so I I good high quality Dairy and meat so I I good high quality Dairy and meat so I I don't even know if I'll ever move away don't even know if I'll ever move away don't even know if I'll ever move away from here again for long periods of time from here again for long periods of time from here again for long periods of time because just the Food Network is just so because just the Food Network is just so because just the Food Network is just so solid so anybody who's thinking about solid so anybody who's thinking about solid so anybody who's thinking about you know leaving Jersey it might not you know leaving Jersey it might not

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1:35testosterone realistically what you say testosterone realistically what you say here is most likely going to end up in here is most likely going to end up in here is most likely going to end up in one of my programs and courses as a one of my programs and courses as a one of my programs and courses as a recommendation so I'm looking forward to recommendation so I'm looking forward to recommendation so I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say uh I guess hearing what you have to say uh I guess hearing what you have to say uh I guess I'll give you my interpretation of what I'll give you my interpretation of what I'll give you my interpretation of what I've learned from your post first so I've learned from your post first so I've learned from your post first so maybe you could get a sense of you know maybe you could get a sense of you know maybe you could get a sense of you know how your posts come across to somebody how your posts come across to somebody how your posts come across to somebody like me and then you can clarify like me and then you can clarify like me and then you can clarify anything that I may have wrong so anything that I may have wrong so anything that I may have wrong so basically and I don't get me wrong I basically and I don't get me wrong I basically and I don't get me wrong I don't have a very thorough understanding don't have a very thorough understanding don't have a very thorough understanding of this just very brief from looking at of this just very brief from looking at of this just very brief from looking at your Instagram so so it seems that your Instagram so so it seems that your Instagram so so it seems that pre-workout ice baths seem to be the pre-workout ice baths seem to be the pre-workout ice baths seem to be the move as opposed to post-workout ice move as opposed to post-workout ice move as opposed to post-workout ice baths and that pre-cooling I guess baths and that pre-cooling I guess baths and that pre-cooling I guess prevents your your body and your muscles prevents your your body and your muscles prevents your your body and your muscles from getting too hot in your workout you from getting too hot in your workout you from getting too hot in your workout you know you're already pre-cooled so it know you're already pre-cooled so it know you're already pre-cooled so it allows you to just have better allows you to just have better allows you to just have better performance I don't know the specific performance I don't know the specific performance I don't know the specific mechanisms behind it for testosterone mechanisms behind it for testosterone mechanisms behind it for testosterone but I would guess that it's something but I would guess that it's something but I would guess that it's something dopamine related if I had to to dopamine related if I had to to dopamine related if I had to to speculate myself um or perhaps you know speculate myself um or perhaps you know speculate myself um or perhaps you know cortisol lower ing for some people that cortisol lower ing for some people that cortisol lower ing for some people that would help with the testosterone but would help with the testosterone but would help with the testosterone but that's not a specific mechanism for that's not a specific mechanism for that's not a specific mechanism for increasing testosterone or free increasing testosterone or free increasing testosterone or free testosterone lowering cortisol so I

1:36testosterone lowering cortisol so I testosterone lowering cortisol so I would my guess would be that it would be would my guess would be that it would be would my guess would be that it would be dopamine related perhaps or something in dopamine related perhaps or something in dopamine related perhaps or something in the LX cells I know keeping your the LX cells I know keeping your the LX cells I know keeping your testical temperature low is good for testical temperature low is good for testical temperature low is good for fertility and spermatogenesis and things fertility and spermatogenesis and things fertility and spermatogenesis and things like that so perhaps it could just be like that so perhaps it could just be like that so perhaps it could just be the testicle temperature lowering that the testicle temperature lowering that the testicle temperature lowering that helps with testosterone um I've seen helps with testosterone um I've seen helps with testosterone um I've seen different things but from what I've different things but from what I've different things but from what I've researched it's been more on fertility researched it's been more on fertility researched it's been more on fertility than testosterone when it comes to than testosterone when it comes to than testosterone when it comes to regulating temperature temperature regulating temperature temperature regulating temperature temperature testicle temperature that wrong agre testicle temperature that wrong agre testicle temperature that wrong agre okay so when it comes to pre-workout ice okay so when it comes to pre-workout ice okay so when it comes to pre-workout ice baths I've also seen you say that it baths I've also seen you say that it baths I've also seen you say that it doesn't necessarily matter if it's right doesn't necessarily matter if it's right doesn't necessarily matter if it's right away like ice bath and then work out in away like ice bath and then work out in away like ice bath and then work out in your basement like immediately after the your basement like immediately after the your basement like immediately after the ice bath or if it's like 20 30 minutes ice bath or if it's like 20 30 minutes ice bath or if it's like 20 30 minutes to drive to the gym or go do that but it to drive to the gym or go do that but it to drive to the gym or go do that but it is kind of a concern that your body is kind of a concern that your body is kind of a concern that your body temperature can perhaps go lower after temperature can perhaps go lower after temperature can perhaps go lower after the ice bath as the blood goes out to the ice bath as the blood goes out to the ice bath as the blood goes out to your extremities and back it goes you your extremities and back it goes you your extremities and back it goes you know the warm blood goes to your fingers know the warm blood goes to your fingers know the warm blood goes to your fingers comes back to the core colder you comes back to the core colder you comes back to the core colder you actually get colder throughout the actually get colder throughout the actually get colder throughout the warming up process so you might not want warming up process so you might not want warming up process so you might not want to be driving a car during that period to be driving a car during that period to be driving a car during that period of time I think you said it was like the of time I think you said it was like the of time I think you said it was like the drive to the gym after the ice bath was drive to the gym after the ice bath was drive to the gym after the ice bath was more dangerous than the ice bath or

1:37more dangerous than the ice bath or more dangerous than the ice bath or something like that um so I did 14 something like that um so I did 14 something like that um so I did 14 minutes and I should not have been minutes and I should not have been minutes and I should not have been operating heavy machinery you know makes operating heavy machinery you know makes operating heavy machinery you know makes sense okay so um I guess that's kind of sense okay so um I guess that's kind of sense okay so um I guess that's kind of the the full scope of what I've learned the the full scope of what I've learned the the full scope of what I've learned from your post on that topic is there from your post on that topic is there from your post on that topic is there anything you want to add or is there anything you want to add or is there anything you want to add or is there anything I got anything I got anything I got wrong well um yeah let me add some wrong well um yeah let me add some wrong well um yeah let me add some context to my research this was a total context to my research this was a total context to my research this was a total accident I had no idea I wasn't even accident I had no idea I wasn't even accident I had no idea I wasn't even trying to do anything with testosterone trying to do anything with testosterone trying to do anything with testosterone I discover this because you know I'm I discover this because you know I'm I discover this because you know I'm trying to get myself together I'm trying to get myself together I'm trying to get myself together I'm separated from my wife um dating again separated from my wife um dating again separated from my wife um dating again um trying to get healthy I've lost a lot um trying to get healthy I've lost a lot um trying to get healthy I've lost a lot of weight I go in Arizona you can order of weight I go in Arizona you can order of weight I go in Arizona you can order your own blood tests so I go into the your own blood tests so I go into the your own blood tests so I go into the lab and I'm like yeah give me the whole lab and I'm like yeah give me the whole lab and I'm like yeah give me the whole male Health panel male Health panel male Health panel well you know that's testosterone and well you know that's testosterone and well you know that's testosterone and cholesterol and stuff and something cholesterol and stuff and something cholesterol and stuff and something called prostate specific antigen now at

1:38called prostate specific antigen now at called prostate specific antigen now at this point I'm 51 years old this point I'm 51 years old this point I'm 51 years old and I haven't had a prostate exam I'm and I haven't had a prostate exam I'm and I haven't had a prostate exam I'm not getting physicals I of course like a not getting physicals I of course like a not getting physicals I of course like a lot of dudes I don't like going to the lot of dudes I don't like going to the lot of dudes I don't like going to the doctor I just kind of want to know where doctor I just kind of want to know where doctor I just kind of want to know where my blood work is uh and you know am I my blood work is uh and you know am I my blood work is uh and you know am I clear of STDs and all these basic like clear of STDs and all these basic like clear of STDs and all these basic like health things that a guy who's trying to health things that a guy who's trying to health things that a guy who's trying to get his act together and start dating uh get his act together and start dating uh get his act together and start dating uh is going to be concerned of PSA comes is going to be concerned of PSA comes is going to be concerned of PSA comes back big red exclamation mark triangle back big red exclamation mark triangle back big red exclamation mark triangle out of range and I was at like out of range and I was at like out of range and I was at like 7.8 well what the hell does that mean 7.8 well what the hell does that mean 7.8 well what the hell does that mean and I gotta go Google all this stuff and I gotta go Google all this stuff and I gotta go Google all this stuff turns out that if you have a PSA of 7.8 turns out that if you have a PSA of 7.8 turns out that if you have a PSA of 7.8 it's an indication of an inflamed it's an indication of an inflamed it's an indication of an inflamed prostate so they ask you a lot of prostate so they ask you a lot of prostate so they ask you a lot of questions are you having trouble questions are you having trouble questions are you having trouble urinating you know is your urine stream urinating you know is your urine stream urinating you know is your urine stream being interrupted I'm like I don't know being interrupted I'm like I don't know being interrupted I'm like I don't know like all of a sudden I'm so like all of a sudden I'm so like all of a sudden I'm so self-conscious about my own urination self-conscious about my own urination self-conscious about my own urination that I'm like having trouble urinating

1:39that I'm like having trouble urinating that I'm like having trouble urinating it's like driving myself nuts and it's like driving myself nuts and it's like driving myself nuts and thinking if I go to the doctor they're thinking if I go to the doctor they're thinking if I go to the doctor they're gonna want even though the PSA is an gonna want even though the PSA is an gonna want even though the PSA is an unreliable indicator of cancer it just unreliable indicator of cancer it just unreliable indicator of cancer it just says inflammation but they're going to says inflammation but they're going to says inflammation but they're going to want to do a prostate exam which means want to do a prostate exam which means want to do a prostate exam which means fingers up the butt and then they're fingers up the butt and then they're fingers up the butt and then they're going to say get a biopsy and biopsies going to say get a biopsy and biopsies going to say get a biopsy and biopsies have their own risks so you can make fun have their own risks so you can make fun have their own risks so you can make fun of me for being a wimp and not wanting of me for being a wimp and not wanting of me for being a wimp and not wanting any of that but before I had the courage any of that but before I had the courage any of that but before I had the courage to do it I said I'm going to start to do it I said I'm going to start to do it I said I'm going to start talking to guys about their prostate talking to guys about their prostate talking to guys about their prostate guys older than me guys younger than me guys older than me guys younger than me guys older than me guys younger than me nobody talks about this women will talk nobody talks about this women will talk nobody talks about this women will talk about sex and the shape of their boobs about sex and the shape of their boobs about sex and the shape of their boobs and you know what they're constantly and you know what they're constantly and you know what they're constantly comparing with one another but no guy is comparing with one another but no guy is comparing with one another but no guy is gonna go and say Hey you know how's your gonna go and say Hey you know how's your gonna go and say Hey you know how's your stream is your flow still good like we stream is your flow still good like we stream is your flow still good like we just don't talk about these things so I just don't talk about these things so I just don't talk about these things so I started bringing it up with my friends started bringing it up with my friends started bringing it up with my friends and they like well yeah you know I had a and they like well yeah you know I had a and they like well yeah you know I had a biopsy it was terrible thank God it came biopsy it was terrible thank God it came biopsy it was terrible thank God it came back negative but you know it was

1:40back negative but you know it was back negative but you know it was painful all the or some another friend painful all the or some another friend painful all the or some another friend of mine very close and he's like I have of mine very close and he's like I have of mine very close and he's like I have my prostate removed what when did you do my prostate removed what when did you do my prostate removed what when did you do that oh yeah it was about nine months that oh yeah it was about nine months that oh yeah it was about nine months ago what but but we're friends you never ago what but but we're friends you never ago what but but we're friends you never told me well it's not really the kind of told me well it's not really the kind of told me well it's not really the kind of thing that you talk about much and I go thing that you talk about much and I go thing that you talk about much and I go well how's your function he goes I well how's your function he goes I well how's your function he goes I haven't had a heart on since you know haven't had a heart on since you know haven't had a heart on since you know I'm like this was not a future I wanted I'm like this was not a future I wanted I'm like this was not a future I wanted zero contact with the medical zero contact with the medical zero contact with the medical establishment I was determined maybe in establishment I was determined maybe in establishment I was determined maybe in my shame or my self-consciousness to try my shame or my self-consciousness to try my shame or my self-consciousness to try and deal with this on my own so what am and deal with this on my own so what am and deal with this on my own so what am I going to do I'm gonna do keto and Ice I going to do I'm gonna do keto and Ice I going to do I'm gonna do keto and Ice baths I so cycling in and out of keto baths I so cycling in and out of keto baths I so cycling in and out of keto was doubling down on the ice paths was doubling down on the ice paths was doubling down on the ice paths because I knew that would help with the because I knew that would help with the because I knew that would help with the keto and uh I'm like I'm going to give keto and uh I'm like I'm going to give keto and uh I'm like I'm going to give it six months see where this goes it six months see where this goes it six months see where this goes testosterone was part of the male lipid testosterone was part of the male lipid testosterone was part of the male lipid panel but I wasn't even paying any panel but I wasn't even paying any panel but I wasn't even paying any attention I was at like 700 High 600s attention I was at like 700 High 600s attention I was at like 700 High 600s something everybody would say Oh no something everybody would say Oh no something everybody would say Oh no you're fine you're you're healthy pretty

1:41you're fine you're you're healthy pretty you're fine you're you're healthy pretty decent I got my right like a lot of guys decent I got my right like a lot of guys decent I got my right like a lot of guys would be at my age would be happy with would be at my age would be happy with would be at my age would be happy with that yeah that's not terrible well I got that yeah that's not terrible well I got that yeah that's not terrible well I got my PSA down to my PSA down to my PSA down to 0.8 thank God it took a few 0.8 thank God it took a few 0.8 thank God it took a few months but the the report comes back and months but the the report comes back and months but the the report comes back and now there's a different Red Triangle now there's a different Red Triangle now there's a different Red Triangle exclamation mark out of range exclamation mark out of range exclamation mark out of range and it's the testosterone and it was and it's the testosterone and it was and it's the testosterone and it was 1180 nanograms per decaler [ __ ] what the 1180 nanograms per decaler [ __ ] what the 1180 nanograms per decaler [ __ ] what the hell is that like it explained a few hell is that like it explained a few hell is that like it explained a few things you know uh um and I'm not saying things you know uh um and I'm not saying things you know uh um and I'm not saying I was upset about it but now I'm like I was upset about it but now I'm like I was upset about it but now I'm like how does this make sense and I had to how does this make sense and I had to how does this make sense and I had to shift all my research from the prostate shift all my research from the prostate shift all my research from the prostate I'm like okay that's over and figure out I'm like okay that's over and figure out I'm like okay that's over and figure out this testosterone thing turns out this testosterone thing turns out this testosterone thing turns out there's a study from 1991 in Japan they there's a study from 1991 in Japan they there's a study from 1991 in Japan they took these young guys and they put them took these young guys and they put them took these young guys and they put them in in an ice bath and they put him on a in in an ice bath and they put him on a in in an ice bath and they put him on a bicycle testosterone went way up bicycle testosterone went way up bicycle testosterone went way up luteinizing hormone went way up and they

1:42luteinizing hormone went way up and they luteinizing hormone went way up and they reversed it bicycle then ice bath which reversed it bicycle then ice bath which reversed it bicycle then ice bath which is the way everybody does it exercise is the way everybody does it exercise is the way everybody does it exercise first and then ice bath for Recovery first and then ice bath for Recovery first and then ice bath for Recovery testosterone weigh down luteinizing testosterone weigh down luteinizing testosterone weigh down luteinizing hormone weigh down I was like well hormone weigh down I was like well hormone weigh down I was like well that's pretty interesting I went to my that's pretty interesting I went to my that's pretty interesting I went to my urologist how long did it take to go urologist how long did it take to go urologist how long did it take to go back and in that study the the LH and back and in that study the the LH and back and in that study the the LH and how long did it take say that again how long did it take say that again how long did it take say that again Baseline to Baseline yeah like it went Baseline to Baseline yeah like it went Baseline to Baseline yeah like it went up and then how long did it take to go up and then how long did it take to go up and then how long did it take to go back back back down nobody nobody measured them like down nobody nobody measured them like down nobody nobody measured them like nobody like woke the Japanese guys up nobody like woke the Japanese guys up nobody like woke the Japanese guys up the next morning and say hey we're going the next morning and say hey we're going the next morning and say hey we're going to do another blood sample you know they to do another blood sample you know they to do another blood sample you know they just saw an immediate boost but I've just saw an immediate boost but I've just saw an immediate boost but I've been monitoring since and so um when was been monitoring since and so um when was been monitoring since and so um when was the last time I had it I can't remember the last time I had it I can't remember the last time I had it I can't remember it was a few months ago it was this it was a few months ago it was this it was a few months ago it was this spring and uh testosterone is seasonal spring and uh testosterone is seasonal spring and uh testosterone is seasonal it goes up and down with vitamin D and it goes up and down with vitamin D and it goes up and down with vitamin D and you wouldn't expect the springtime is you wouldn't expect the springtime is you wouldn't expect the springtime is where you have a lot of vitamin D or where you have a lot of vitamin D or where you have a lot of vitamin D or you're going to get the max testosterone you're going to get the max testosterone you're going to get the max testosterone it's also um circadian that is you get

1:43it's also um circadian that is you get it's also um circadian that is you get the most testosterone in the morning and the most testosterone in the morning and the most testosterone in the morning and then it declines but you know it's April then it declines but you know it's April then it declines but you know it's April or something and I went in in the or something and I went in in the or something and I went in in the morning get my testosterone check and I morning get my testosterone check and I morning get my testosterone check and I was not 1180 I was like 1040 in other was not 1180 I was like 1040 in other was not 1180 I was like 1040 in other words you know I'm 57 now and for me to words you know I'm 57 now and for me to words you know I'm 57 now and for me to have anything over a thousand at any have anything over a thousand at any have anything over a thousand at any time a year at any time of day some guys time a year at any time of day some guys time a year at any time of day some guys would consider that miraculous but but would consider that miraculous but but would consider that miraculous but but other guys are writing to me and they're other guys are writing to me and they're other guys are writing to me and they're like Tom I'm 62 years old I just tested like Tom I'm 62 years old I just tested like Tom I'm 62 years old I just tested out a 1210 and I'm like God bless you or out a 1210 and I'm like God bless you or out a 1210 and I'm like God bless you or some guy times guys will write to me and some guy times guys will write to me and some guy times guys will write to me and they'll say well I started the ice bath they'll say well I started the ice bath they'll say well I started the ice bath uh and then you know I'm rewarming the uh and then you know I'm rewarming the uh and then you know I'm rewarming the way you said I do some push-ups and I do way you said I do some push-ups and I do way you said I do some push-ups and I do little like exercise for one guy he's little like exercise for one guy he's little like exercise for one guy he's just doing like the soccer mom power just doing like the soccer mom power just doing like the soccer mom power walk you know that's all he does for walk you know that's all he does for walk you know that's all he does for exercise after his ice bath he goes and exercise after his ice bath he goes and exercise after his ice bath he goes and and I got a question um is it normal to and I got a question um is it normal to and I got a question um is it normal to wake up in the middle of the night with wake up in the middle of the night with wake up in the middle of the night with a heart on and I'm like it is for you a heart on and I'm like it is for you a heart on and I'm like it is for you now for a lot of guys it's like going

1:44now for a lot of guys it's like going now for a lot of guys it's like going back in time to when they were 19 back in time to when they were 19 back in time to when they were 19 because their doctors are telling them because their doctors are telling them because their doctors are telling them that you lose testosterone over time I that you lose testosterone over time I that you lose testosterone over time I don't believe that anymore believe you don't believe that anymore believe you don't believe that anymore believe you right because you're not taking care of right because you're not taking care of right because you're not taking care of your metabolism because you bought into your metabolism because you bought into your metabolism because you bought into this idea of Aging you decline over time this idea of Aging you decline over time this idea of Aging you decline over time you lost all the brown fat you're not you lost all the brown fat you're not you lost all the brown fat you're not doing any cold you're not getting the doing any cold you're not getting the doing any cold you're not getting the sunshine because lots of things happen sunshine because lots of things happen sunshine because lots of things happen to men testosterone declines with age to men testosterone declines with age to men testosterone declines with age but it doesn't have to be that way right but it doesn't have to be that way right but it doesn't have to be that way right now you've probably seen the data the now you've probably seen the data the now you've probably seen the data the testosterone of a 25y old today is testosterone of a 25y old today is testosterone of a 25y old today is typical of what a 65y old had 20 years typical of what a 65y old had 20 years typical of what a 65y old had 20 years ago why should men today be declining ago why should men today be declining ago why should men today be declining over time when men 20 years ago weren't over time when men 20 years ago weren't over time when men 20 years ago weren't and the answer is actually and the answer is actually and the answer is actually worse average 65y old 50 years ago had

1:45worse average 65y old 50 years ago had worse average 65y old 50 years ago had 11 11 something 1140 or something and 11 11 something 1140 or something and 11 11 something 1140 or something and now the average 25y old is about now the average 25y old is about now the average 25y old is about 500 right actually a say noral double 500 right actually a say noral double 500 right actually a say noral double yeah and it's normal I had 328 total yeah and it's normal I had 328 total yeah and it's normal I had 328 total testosterone when I was done with the testosterone when I was done with the testosterone when I was done with the restrictive dieting and I was just restrictive dieting and I was just restrictive dieting and I was just starting to introduce animal Foods into starting to introduce animal Foods into starting to introduce animal Foods into my diet 328 total testosterone 6 my diet 328 total testosterone 6 my diet 328 total testosterone 6 nanograms per deciliter of free nanograms per deciliter of free nanograms per deciliter of free testosterone like testosterone like testosterone like unhealthy really really freaking bad and unhealthy really really freaking bad and unhealthy really really freaking bad and none of it got flagged I just did my own none of it got flagged I just did my own none of it got flagged I just did my own research and I'm like 300 sounds kind of research and I'm like 300 sounds kind of research and I'm like 300 sounds kind of low like let me check that out and then low like let me check that out and then low like let me check that out and then you know I'm learning about the average you know I'm learning about the average you know I'm learning about the average numbers from back in the day I'm numbers from back in the day I'm numbers from back in the day I'm learning you know deciding that really learning you know deciding that really learning you know deciding that really we should be like 800 to 12200 for my we should be like 800 to 12200 for my we should be like 800 to 12200 for my age group even higher the average 25y age group even higher the average 25y age group even higher the average 25y old 50 years ago had over 12200 it was old 50 years ago had over 12200 it was old 50 years ago had over 12200 it was like 12 1250 or something that was like 12 1250 or something that was like 12 1250 or something that was average that's not even like above average that's not even like above average that's not even like above average so you know how many different average so you know how many different average so you know how many different effects is this having considering effects is this having considering effects is this having considering testosterone effects our insulin testosterone effects our insulin testosterone effects our insulin sensitivity our muscle protein synthesis sensitivity our muscle protein synthesis sensitivity our muscle protein synthesis our mental health our confidence our you our mental health our confidence our you our mental health our confidence our you know our metabolic Health our know our metabolic Health our know our metabolic Health our cardiovascular health our calcium

1:46cardiovascular health our calcium cardiovascular health our calcium regulation so many different things that regulation so many different things that regulation so many different things that testosterone does if everybody is testosterone does if everybody is testosterone does if everybody is walking around with half the walking around with half the walking around with half the testosterone they're supposed to have testosterone they're supposed to have testosterone they're supposed to have this is [ __ ] up everything yep so this is [ __ ] up everything yep so this is [ __ ] up everything yep so that's why I kind of dedicated my that's why I kind of dedicated my that's why I kind of dedicated my research to diving into testosterone research to diving into testosterone research to diving into testosterone fully because it was you know something fully because it was you know something fully because it was you know something super relevant to me I needed to figure super relevant to me I needed to figure super relevant to me I needed to figure this out for myself and what's this out for myself and what's this out for myself and what's interesting is cold exposure wasn't even interesting is cold exposure wasn't even interesting is cold exposure wasn't even one that I really went into it was it's one that I really went into it was it's one that I really went into it was it's I actually might add it as a pillar the I actually might add it as a pillar the I actually might add it as a pillar the ones that I've ones that I've ones that I've focused micronutrient deficiencies um focused micronutrient deficiencies um focused micronutrient deficiencies um overall like caloric Surplus then we overall like caloric Surplus then we overall like caloric Surplus then we have Sleep Quality and sleeping enough have Sleep Quality and sleeping enough have Sleep Quality and sleeping enough we have training and just challenging we have training and just challenging we have training and just challenging your body in some way like environmental your body in some way like environmental your body in some way like environmental stress competition competing with other stress competition competing with other stress competition competing with other men whether it's for status or resources men whether it's for status or resources men whether it's for status or resources or whatever um and then we have sunlight or whatever um and then we have sunlight or whatever um and then we have sunlight exposure of course and avoiding exposure of course and avoiding exposure of course and avoiding endocrine disruptors I dove down that endocrine disruptors I dove down that endocrine disruptors I dove down that rabbit hole of all the Plastics and all rabbit hole of all the Plastics and all rabbit hole of all the Plastics and all of the the xenoestrogens and the birth of the the xenoestrogens and the birth of the the xenoestrogens and the birth control and the tap water and all that control and the tap water and all that control and the tap water and all that stuff and then of course the sex which stuff and then of course the sex which stuff and then of course the sex which is what most people think is it's is what most people think is it's is what most people think is it's honestly I think one of the least honestly I think one of the least honestly I think one of the least important but I was a big advocate for a important but I was a big advocate for a important but I was a big advocate for a period of time of seing retention which

1:47period of time of seing retention which period of time of seing retention which makes sense because I had super low te makes sense because I had super low te makes sense because I had super low te it was easy for me to entertain and now it was easy for me to entertain and now it was easy for me to entertain and now you know as I got into it that you know as I got into it that you know as I got into it that researched a little bit more it made researched a little bit more it made researched a little bit more it made less and less sense and now I'm a less and less sense and now I'm a less and less sense and now I'm a Advocate completely against Seaman Advocate completely against Seaman Advocate completely against Seaman retention um and you know for prostate retention um and you know for prostate retention um and you know for prostate yeah I don't I don't think Seaman yeah I don't I don't think Seaman yeah I don't I don't think Seaman retention it's not it is it's never retention it's not it is it's never retention it's not it is it's never worked for me like uh and I you could worked for me like uh and I you could worked for me like uh and I you could say well have you ever really tried it say well have you ever really tried it say well have you ever really tried it nope like I've never really G got all in nope like I've never really G got all in nope like I've never really G got all in on the Sean retention um but you have on the Sean retention um but you have on the Sean retention um but you have identified nutritional psychological and identified nutritional psychological and identified nutritional psychological and environmental factors and they all work environmental factors and they all work environmental factors and they all work together I can tell you that keto is together I can tell you that keto is together I can tell you that keto is good for testosterone and I was kind of good for testosterone and I was kind of good for testosterone and I was kind of conscious about my diet when it comes to conscious about my diet when it comes to conscious about my diet when it comes to keto because shbg is a huge one when it keto because shbg is a huge one when it keto because shbg is a huge one when it comes to free testosterone and the comes to free testosterone and the comes to free testosterone and the biggest lower other than Boron of shbg biggest lower other than Boron of shbg biggest lower other than Boron of shbg is insulin so to be consuming less carbs is insulin so to be consuming less carbs is insulin so to be consuming less carbs like one of the big the biggest things I like one of the big the biggest things I like one of the big the biggest things I recommend for dudes who have high shpg

1:48recommend for dudes who have high shpg recommend for dudes who have high shpg is just switch out your macro split and is just switch out your macro split and is just switch out your macro split and need a little bit more carbs and usually need a little bit more carbs and usually need a little bit more carbs and usually that ends up lowering their shbg which that ends up lowering their shbg which that ends up lowering their shbg which is why with my dad with the with the is why with my dad with the with the is why with my dad with the with the insulin sensitivity issue with the insulin sensitivity issue with the insulin sensitivity issue with the taking insulin not wanting to take more taking insulin not wanting to take more taking insulin not wanting to take more insulin so not wanting to eat more carbs insulin so not wanting to eat more carbs insulin so not wanting to eat more carbs for that reason um we're still kind of for that reason um we're still kind of for that reason um we're still kind of in a gray area how we're figuring that in a gray area how we're figuring that in a gray area how we're figuring that out but the insulin sensitivity is the out but the insulin sensitivity is the out but the insulin sensitivity is the thing we're trying to max out but yeah thing we're trying to max out but yeah thing we're trying to max out but yeah for a lot of guys eating more carbs to for a lot of guys eating more carbs to for a lot of guys eating more carbs to help with free testosterone so I I think help with free testosterone so I I think help with free testosterone so I I think I think a big thing when it comes to I think a big thing when it comes to I think a big thing when it comes to keto is when guys go keto they usually keto is when guys go keto they usually keto is when guys go keto they usually eat significantly less processed foods eat significantly less processed foods eat significantly less processed foods and they're eating less like [ __ ] in and they're eating less like [ __ ] in and they're eating less like [ __ ] in general so they're getting more general so they're getting more general so they're getting more micronutrients more retinol more copper micronutrients more retinol more copper micronutrients more retinol more copper selenium zinc all these micronutrients selenium zinc all these micronutrients selenium zinc all these micronutrients that are deficient in most people you're that are deficient in most people you're that are deficient in most people you're just eating more meat eating more eggs just eating more meat eating more eggs just eating more meat eating more eggs eating more you know fat soluble eating more you know fat soluble eating more you know fat soluble vitamins and I think that's the major vitamins and I think that's the major vitamins and I think that's the major contributor when it comes to keto for contributor when it comes to keto for contributor when it comes to keto for people with the increase in testosterone people with the increase in testosterone people with the increase in testosterone but I've seen some guys coming off keto but I've seen some guys coming off keto but I've seen some guys coming off keto that work with me that have pretty high that work with me that have pretty high that work with me that have pretty high hpg so they're these are the guys hpg so they're these are the guys hpg so they're these are the guys that'll that'll come in with a 8900 that'll that'll come in with a 8900 that'll that'll come in with a 8900 total te but with like a N9 nanogram per total te but with like a N9 nanogram per total te but with like a N9 nanogram per deser free testosterone and want to get

1:49deser free testosterone and want to get deser free testosterone and want to get that above 15 they add some carbs back that above 15 they add some carbs back that above 15 they add some carbs back in and that ends up being really the in and that ends up being really the in and that ends up being really the only thing they have to do or it's they only thing they have to do or it's they only thing they have to do or it's they need to just eat more calories in need to just eat more calories in need to just eat more calories in General but I found nutrition to be one General but I found nutrition to be one General but I found nutrition to be one of the most prominent issues that most of the most prominent issues that most of the most prominent issues that most guys have when it comes to testosterone guys have when it comes to testosterone guys have when it comes to testosterone it's just micronutrient deficiencies you it's just micronutrient deficiencies you it's just micronutrient deficiencies you get enough zinc you eat oysters for one get enough zinc you eat oysters for one get enough zinc you eat oysters for one week and then boom you're good you know week and then boom you're good you know week and then boom you're good you know you're back up to a thousand so for most you're back up to a thousand so for most you're back up to a thousand so for most guys feel like nutrition if I had to pin guys feel like nutrition if I had to pin guys feel like nutrition if I had to pin it down to one biggest thing why guys it down to one biggest thing why guys it down to one biggest thing why guys have low testosterone it's micronutrient have low testosterone it's micronutrient have low testosterone it's micronutrient deficiencies and if I had to name number deficiencies and if I had to name number deficiencies and if I had to name number two it'd probably be two it'd probably be two it'd probably be sleep but in general have low not by any sleep but in general have low not by any sleep but in general have low not by any diagnos I wouldn't even consider your diagnos I wouldn't even consider your diagnos I wouldn't even consider your 6700 is solid that's higher than average 6700 is solid that's higher than average 6700 is solid that's higher than average for a for a for a 25 25 25 but the Boost that I got didn't have but the Boost that I got didn't have but the Boost that I got didn't have anything to do with anything in your anything to do with anything in your anything to do with anything in your program I mean I re recognize the program I mean I re recognize the program I mean I re recognize the importance of all those factors the importance of all those factors the importance of all those factors the Boost that I got is because I started Boost that I got is because I started Boost that I got is because I started doing ice baths and I'd come out of the doing ice baths and I'd come out of the doing ice baths and I'd come out of the ice bath and I'd be so dang cold I'd

1:50ice bath and I'd be so dang cold I'd ice bath and I'd be so dang cold I'd have to do something to warm myself up have to do something to warm myself up have to do something to warm myself up or I'd do it before I leave for campus or I'd do it before I leave for campus or I'd do it before I leave for campus and I'd walk a mile and a half like it and I'd walk a mile and a half like it and I'd walk a mile and a half like it doesn't take a lot of exercise just doesn't take a lot of exercise just doesn't take a lot of exercise just enough to get your blood going again enough to get your blood going again enough to get your blood going again find this so fascinating I'm definitely find this so fascinating I'm definitely find this so fascinating I'm definitely planning on doing my own little study planning on doing my own little study planning on doing my own little study with myself I love to experiment love with myself I love to experiment love with myself I love to experiment love toar it and be my own Cas for everything toar it and be my own Cas for everything toar it and be my own Cas for everything so you'll be hearing testimony for me so you'll be hearing testimony for me so you'll be hearing testimony for me probably in like a month or two I'm my probably in like a month or two I'm my probably in like a month or two I'm my blood work done and and we'll see what's blood work done and and we'll see what's blood work done and and we'll see what's up with it because I I love getting up with it because I I love getting up with it because I I love getting seeing where I'm at so I'll definitely seeing where I'm at so I'll definitely seeing where I'm at so I'll definitely give you a testimonial when it when it give you a testimonial when it when it give you a testimonial when it when it works out which I based on what I've works out which I based on what I've works out which I based on what I've heard from you you seem pretty confident heard from you you seem pretty confident heard from you you seem pretty confident so I'm excited to give this a go um and so I'm excited to give this a go um and so I'm excited to give this a go um and honestly I've been well now it's men all honestly I've been well now it's men all honestly I've been well now it's men all over the world are writing to me and over the world are writing to me and over the world are writing to me and sending me their labs and saying hey sending me their labs and saying hey sending me their labs and saying hey look you know this is working for me too look you know this is working for me too look you know this is working for me too thank you so much and it's not part of thank you so much and it's not part of thank you so much and it's not part of the popular conversation most most the popular conversation most most the popular conversation most most people like I wrote an article and I put people like I wrote an article and I put people like I wrote an article and I put it up there but um it wasn't until Joe it up there but um it wasn't until Joe it up there but um it wasn't until Joe Rogan found it in December of 20122 this

1:51Rogan found it in December of 20122 this Rogan found it in December of 20122 this was right after liver King was you know was right after liver King was you know was right after liver King was you know unmasked like liver King wasn't on unmasked like liver King wasn't on unmasked like liver King wasn't on steroid like everybody knew nobody would steroid like everybody knew nobody would steroid like everybody knew nobody would actually care if he said of course I actually care if he said of course I actually care if he said of course I take roids look at me you know people take roids look at me you know people take roids look at me you know people would have been like yeah you're still would have been like yeah you're still would have been like yeah you're still kind of fun to watch you know like yeah kind of fun to watch you know like yeah kind of fun to watch you know like yeah but he lied about it and so Rogan had um but he lied about it and so Rogan had um but he lied about it and so Rogan had um Derek more plates more dates who knows Derek more plates more dates who knows Derek more plates more dates who knows way more about testost own than I know way more about testost own than I know way more about testost own than I know had him on show and they were talking had him on show and they were talking had him on show and they were talking about making fun of him well Rogan found about making fun of him well Rogan found about making fun of him well Rogan found my article and he read out an excerpt of my article and he read out an excerpt of my article and he read out an excerpt of it on um his Joe Rogan Experience he did it on um his Joe Rogan Experience he did it on um his Joe Rogan Experience he did not mention me he didn't cite me but if not mention me he didn't cite me but if not mention me he didn't cite me but if you pause the video and you like zoom in you pause the video and you like zoom in you pause the video and you like zoom in and you say who is that guy you know you and you say who is that guy you know you and you say who is that guy you know you can find Seager TP SE a g t and then can find Seager TP SE a g t and then can find Seager TP SE a g t and then people started writing to me on the gram people started writing to me on the gram people started writing to me on the gram I had like 2,000 followers you know like I had like 2,000 followers you know like I had like 2,000 followers you know like not even and they started writing in not even and they started writing in not even and they started writing in they say I think I found AR was that you they say I think I found AR was that you they say I think I found AR was that you is that and then what do you do and you is that and then what do you do and you is that and then what do you do and you know and then the article took off and

1:52know and then the article took off and know and then the article took off and now people like you who are really on now people like you who are really on now people like you who are really on the Leading Edge they're thinking about the Leading Edge they're thinking about the Leading Edge they're thinking about it talking about it trying it and the it talking about it trying it and the it talking about it trying it and the results so far that people are sending results so far that people are sending results so far that people are sending back to me are terrific I have yet to back to me are terrific I have yet to back to me are terrific I have yet to get somebody who bothers to write to me get somebody who bothers to write to me get somebody who bothers to write to me and say hey I try that ice bath and and say hey I try that ice bath and and say hey I try that ice bath and exercise thing it stunk and my exercise thing it stunk and my exercise thing it stunk and my testosterone went down and I hate you testosterone went down and I hate you testosterone went down and I hate you you know it could happen because I don't you know it could happen because I don't you know it could happen because I don't know how everybody's body is going to know how everybody's body is going to know how everybody's body is going to work but right now yeah uh people are work but right now yeah uh people are work but right now yeah uh people are saying this is working really saying this is working really saying this is working really well I'm excited to try it out so well I'm excited to try it out so well I'm excited to try it out so everybody listen and give it a go I'm everybody listen and give it a go I'm everybody listen and give it a go I'm for me I'm add it to my uh you know my for me I'm add it to my uh you know my for me I'm add it to my uh you know my my tool kit that I recommend for people my tool kit that I recommend for people my tool kit that I recommend for people so that is great good to know I like to so that is great good to know I like to so that is great good to know I like to just have a lot of tools in the toolkit just have a lot of tools in the toolkit just have a lot of tools in the toolkit for some people it's you know it's for some people it's you know it's for some people it's you know it's different different causes different different different causes different different different causes different things some people have different issues things some people have different issues things some people have different issues some people have high prolactin some some people have high prolactin some some people have high prolactin some people have low dopamine some people people have low dopamine some people people have low dopamine some people have a bunch of different things going have a bunch of different things going have a bunch of different things going on and you know it's interesting to find on and you know it's interesting to find on and you know it's interesting to find what the solution is I wonder do you what the solution is I wonder do you what the solution is I wonder do you know what the mechanism is have you

1:53know what the mechanism is have you know what the mechanism is have you speculated or like tried to really put speculated or like tried to really put speculated or like tried to really put to thought like what is it about the to thought like what is it about the to thought like what is it about the cold exposure that makes testosterone cold exposure that makes testosterone cold exposure that makes testosterone goes up go up I would love to know I goes up go up I would love to know I goes up go up I would love to know I would love to know I I have um I have would love to know I I have um I have would love to know I I have um I have not even hypothesized I do think that not even hypothesized I do think that not even hypothesized I do think that there's something there's something there's something psychological you come out of the ice psychological you come out of the ice psychological you come out of the ice bath and you feel like you cheated to bath and you feel like you cheated to bath and you feel like you cheated to death you know you feel like freaking death you know you feel like freaking death you know you feel like freaking Superman yep that Energy's got to go Superman yep that Energy's got to go Superman yep that Energy's got to go somewhere so I get my steel mace out you somewhere so I get my steel mace out you somewhere so I get my steel mace out you know that was one of my favorite know that was one of my favorite know that was one of my favorite exercises um ever since Leo Savage exercises um ever since Leo Savage exercises um ever since Leo Savage taught me how to do 360s now I got like taught me how to do 360s now I got like taught me how to do 360s now I got like this 25 pound maze you can see a video this 25 pound maze you can see a video this 25 pound maze you can see a video it looks kind of dangerous but it's it looks kind of dangerous but it's it looks kind of dangerous but it's not maybe that helps psychologically you not maybe that helps psychologically you not maybe that helps psychologically you know also um you know my girlfriend has know also um you know my girlfriend has know also um you know my girlfriend has said uh Tom please promise me you will said uh Tom please promise me you will said uh Tom please promise me you will not do anything that increases your not do anything that increases your not do anything that increases your testosterone testosterone testosterone anymore look like I'm tired you know and

1:54anymore look like I'm tired you know and anymore look like I'm tired you know and so having the support or the admiration so having the support or the admiration so having the support or the admiration of a beautiful woman I don't know maybe of a beautiful woman I don't know maybe of a beautiful woman I don't know maybe that's part of it like this that's part of it like this that's part of it like this whole yeah yep it's a status thing too whole yeah yep it's a status thing too whole yeah yep it's a status thing too like a big proponent especially with like a big proponent especially with like a big proponent especially with free testosterone levels are status so free testosterone levels are status so free testosterone levels are status so even guys that have like leadership even guys that have like leadership even guys that have like leadership roles in their jobs tend to have higher roles in their jobs tend to have higher roles in their jobs tend to have higher free testosterone levels than the free testosterone levels than the free testosterone levels than the employees or you know the captain of the employees or you know the captain of the employees or you know the captain of the team or the highest paid athlete they team or the highest paid athlete they team or the highest paid athlete they always tend to have higher free always tend to have higher free always tend to have higher free testosterone just at Baseline than other testosterone just at Baseline than other testosterone just at Baseline than other dudes because of that status protection dudes because of that status protection dudes because of that status protection aspect Joe Rogan puts me on his Joe aspect Joe Rogan puts me on his Joe aspect Joe Rogan puts me on his Joe Rogan Experience I got a dop heat and a Rogan Experience I got a dop heat and a Rogan Experience I got a dop heat and a hit and a testosterone boost from that hit and a testosterone boost from that hit and a testosterone boost from that you know like there's something you know like there's something you know like there's something sociological about it but I don't think sociological about it but I don't think sociological about it but I don't think that those are the main factors because that those are the main factors because that those are the main factors because none of those were really important in none of those were really important in none of those were really important in the Japanese St and there have been the Japanese St and there have been the Japanese St and there have been subsequent followon stud like the subsequent followon stud like the subsequent followon stud like the Italian rugby team for whatever reason Italian rugby team for whatever reason Italian rugby team for whatever reason is really worried about their is really worried about their is really worried about their testosterone and so they hire these

1:55testosterone and so they hire these testosterone and so they hire these scientists to do the kind of cryotherapy scientists to do the kind of cryotherapy scientists to do the kind of cryotherapy thing there have been other studies that thing there have been other studies that thing there have been other studies that show exercise after cold exposure boosts show exercise after cold exposure boosts show exercise after cold exposure boosts testosterone the psychological could be testosterone the psychological could be testosterone the psychological could be a factor but I think there are a factor but I think there are a factor but I think there are physiological mechanisms and by the way physiological mechanisms and by the way physiological mechanisms and by the way in women there's only one study and it in women there's only one study and it in women there's only one study and it was the cold pressure test just like the was the cold pressure test just like the was the cold pressure test just like the Japanese it wasn't even whole body it Japanese it wasn't even whole body it Japanese it wasn't even whole body it was just cold stem the Japanese was up was just cold stem the Japanese was up was just cold stem the Japanese was up to the Elbow but this uh one study in to the Elbow but this uh one study in to the Elbow but this uh one study in women hand goes into the ice water then women hand goes into the ice water then women hand goes into the ice water then they measure the testosterone and the they measure the testosterone and the they measure the testosterone and the saliva so we're talking about young saliva so we're talking about young saliva so we're talking about young women not menopausal young women got a women not menopausal young women got a women not menopausal young women got a boost just off of cold stimulation no boost just off of cold stimulation no boost just off of cold stimulation no exercise young men did not and when you exercise young men did not and when you exercise young men did not and when you think about it it might make sense women think about it it might make sense women think about it it might make sense women and men produce testosterone in and men produce testosterone in and men produce testosterone in different ways um women it's produced in different ways um women it's produced in different ways um women it's produced in the ovaries and the ovaries are the ovaries and the ovaries are the ovaries and the ovaries are contained inside the body why wouldn't contained inside the body why wouldn't contained inside the body why wouldn't they respond differently you know to

1:56they respond differently you know to they respond differently you know to cold then men would it kind of makes cold then men would it kind of makes cold then men would it kind of makes sense but the neat thing is if women can sense but the neat thing is if women can sense but the neat thing is if women can get a tea boost just off of cold stem get a tea boost just off of cold stem get a tea boost just off of cold stem the research has never been done but the research has never been done but the research has never been done but what would that do for menopausal women what would that do for menopausal women what would that do for menopausal women where the ovaries are not as active where the ovaries are not as active where the ovaries are not as active because they no longer ovulate a lot of because they no longer ovulate a lot of because they no longer ovulate a lot of menopausal women their tea levels go menopausal women their tea levels go menopausal women their tea levels go down down down women don't realize this but women don't realize this but women don't realize this but testosterone is the most important sex testosterone is the most important sex testosterone is the most important sex hormone in women just like it is in Men hormone in women just like it is in Men hormone in women just like it is in Men in women women have a lot less in women women have a lot less in women women have a lot less testosterone than men do but they have testosterone than men do but they have testosterone than men do but they have three or four times the testosterone three or four times the testosterone three or four times the testosterone than they have estrogen it is the than they have estrogen it is the than they have estrogen it is the dominant sex hormone in both sexes and dominant sex hormone in both sexes and dominant sex hormone in both sexes and so when it's low in menopausal women you so when it's low in menopausal women you so when it's low in menopausal women you know here's a clinician they got a woman know here's a clinician they got a woman know here's a clinician they got a woman um she's going through menopause she's um she's going through menopause she's um she's going through menopause she's experiencing low libido they're thinking experiencing low libido they're thinking experiencing low libido they're thinking hey maybe some hormone therapy here if hey maybe some hormone therapy here if hey maybe some hormone therapy here if they want to put her on testosterone they want to put her on testosterone they want to put her on testosterone there is no FDA approved program for

1:57there is no FDA approved program for there is no FDA approved program for women they have to adapt a male women they have to adapt a male women they have to adapt a male trt to somehow fit into the female body trt to somehow fit into the female body trt to somehow fit into the female body make it up as they go along and see make it up as they go along and see make it up as they go along and see whether that works if we could stimulate whether that works if we could stimulate whether that works if we could stimulate endogenous testosterone in menop endogenous testosterone in menop endogenous testosterone in menop actually in in any woman but in actually in in any woman but in actually in in any woman but in menopausal women in particular that menopausal women in particular that menopausal women in particular that might be a huge Boon nobody's tried it might be a huge Boon nobody's tried it might be a huge Boon nobody's tried it super fascinating I haven't really dove super fascinating I haven't really dove super fascinating I haven't really dove into too much of the information on into too much of the information on into too much of the information on women I've really focused on men mostly women I've really focused on men mostly women I've really focused on men mostly but I I did know that the they do have but I I did know that the they do have but I I did know that the they do have more testosterone than estrogen and more testosterone than estrogen and more testosterone than estrogen and testosterone is the libido driving testosterone is the libido driving testosterone is the libido driving hormone in women as well as men um hormone in women as well as men um hormone in women as well as men um that's pretty much the full scope of that's pretty much the full scope of that's pretty much the full scope of testost let me speak to your audience testost let me speak to your audience testost let me speak to your audience for a second um go ahead yeah because for a second um go ahead yeah because for a second um go ahead yeah because your audience is probably mostly men your audience is probably mostly men your audience is probably mostly men probably about your age like not my age probably about your age like not my age probably about your age like not my age and they have certain concerns yeah and they have certain concerns yeah and they have certain concerns yeah there's older men in my audience as well there's older men in my audience as well there's older men in my audience as well actually a lot of my clients are are actually a lot of my clients are are actually a lot of my clients are are more closer to your age and they are to more closer to your age and they are to more closer to your age and they are to mine but there's a pretty good that's mine but there's a pretty good that's mine but there's a pretty good that's really good to know it is mostly men really good to know it is mostly men really good to know it is mostly men it's about 60% men 40% women there's it's about 60% men 40% women there's it's about 60% men 40% women there's women that are what I want to tell them

1:58women that are what I want to tell them women that are what I want to tell them yeah go ahead get your lady in the ice yeah go ahead get your lady in the ice yeah go ahead get your lady in the ice bath she will experience a testosterone bath she will experience a testosterone bath she will experience a testosterone boost the testosterone is the lust boost the testosterone is the lust boost the testosterone is the lust hormone her libido will get a boost that hormone her libido will get a boost that hormone her libido will get a boost that goes with this ice bath experience and goes with this ice bath experience and goes with this ice bath experience and if you can do it together she's going to if you can do it together she's going to if you can do it together she's going to love you for it I did this with my love you for it I did this with my love you for it I did this with my girlfriend in Sedona and we were having girlfriend in Sedona and we were having girlfriend in Sedona and we were having a big fight you know I got a slideshow a big fight you know I got a slideshow a big fight you know I got a slideshow up on it or something and um but we're up on it or something and um but we're up on it or something and um but we're also doing a photo shoot so we couldn't also doing a photo shoot so we couldn't also doing a photo shoot so we couldn't like you know send the the photographers like you know send the the photographers like you know send the the photographers home and call it off just because we home and call it off just because we home and call it off just because we were having a fight we get into the ice were having a fight we get into the ice were having a fight we get into the ice bath we breathe we stare into one bath we breathe we stare into one bath we breathe we stare into one another's eyes and it was like a love another's eyes and it was like a love another's eyes and it was like a love potion the next thing you know she leans potion the next thing you know she leans potion the next thing you know she leans over we are kissing we're making out in over we are kissing we're making out in over we are kissing we're making out in the ice bath you know the camera crew is the ice bath you know the camera crew is the ice bath you know the camera crew is like okay we got it you know we're ready like okay we got it you know we're ready like okay we got it you know we're ready to go home and and we're still hugg in to go home and and we're still hugg in to go home and and we're still hugg in we just fell in love all over again so I we just fell in love all over again so I we just fell in love all over again so I had to do an article on about it's not had to do an article on about it's not had to do an article on about it's not just testosterone you said too right

1:59just testosterone you said too right just testosterone you said too right oxytocin yeah did say again I was gonna oxytocin yeah did say again I was gonna oxytocin yeah did say again I was gonna say you mentioned oxytocin earlier say you mentioned oxytocin earlier say you mentioned oxytocin earlier that's like the love chemical the effect that's like the love chemical the effect that's like the love chemical the effect vasopressin goes up all of these bonding vasopressin goes up all of these bonding vasopressin goes up all of these bonding hormones go up and it's also helpful hormones go up and it's also helpful hormones go up and it's also helpful that we were in the sunshine because that we were in the sunshine because that we were in the sunshine because years later this study came out that years later this study came out that years later this study came out that showed when female rats are exposed to showed when female rats are exposed to showed when female rats are exposed to UV light they become more receptive to UV light they become more receptive to UV light they become more receptive to male rats advances and I'm like nobody male rats advances and I'm like nobody male rats advances and I'm like nobody told me when I was at the beach you know told me when I was at the beach you know told me when I was at the beach you know this would have been critical information that's hilarious now I know information that's hilarious now I know yeah I mean for men I've I've seen a yeah I mean for men I've I've seen a yeah I mean for men I've I've seen a couple studies on like sunlight exposure couple studies on like sunlight exposure couple studies on like sunlight exposure increasing testosterone or or increasing testosterone or or increasing testosterone or or stimulating testosterone production stimulating testosterone production stimulating testosterone production overall and that's an interesting one overall and that's an interesting one overall and that's an interesting one because sunlight as opposed to some because sunlight as opposed to some because sunlight as opposed to some other things similar to nutrition takes other things similar to nutrition takes other things similar to nutrition takes a really long time to go back down to a really long time to go back down to a really long time to go back down to Baseline so like let's say you get in Baseline so like let's say you get in Baseline so like let's say you get in the sun this was a study from 1939 Dr

2:00the sun this was a study from 1939 Dr the sun this was a study from 1939 Dr Abraham Myerson they uh they tested guys Abraham Myerson they uh they tested guys Abraham Myerson they uh they tested guys with sun exposure on different parts of with sun exposure on different parts of with sun exposure on different parts of their body so they did uh like I think their body so they did uh like I think their body so they did uh like I think it was a week or five days worth of sun it was a week or five days worth of sun it was a week or five days worth of sun exposure on their chest just to the exposure on their chest just to the exposure on their chest just to the point like right before they were going point like right before they were going point like right before they were going to burn get out of the Sun and their to burn get out of the Sun and their to burn get out of the Sun and their testosterone went up I believe the chest testosterone went up I believe the chest testosterone went up I believe the chest group it was group it was group it was 125% and one group also sunned both 125% and one group also sunned both 125% and one group also sunned both their chest and their genitals and that their chest and their genitals and that their chest and their genitals and that group got a 200% increase over the five group got a 200% increase over the five group got a 200% increase over the five days and that's consistent with the days and that's consistent with the days and that's consistent with the stuff I've seen yeah and what was cool stuff I've seen yeah and what was cool stuff I've seen yeah and what was cool about it is they studied how long it about it is they studied how long it about it is they studied how long it stayed up high for so they got stayed up high for so they got stayed up high for so they got completely out of the sun afterwards and completely out of the sun afterwards and completely out of the sun afterwards and it took eight days to go back to it took eight days to go back to it took eight days to go back to Baseline so eight days of no sunlight Baseline so eight days of no sunlight Baseline so eight days of no sunlight exposure at all for it to go back to exposure at all for it to go back to exposure at all for it to go back to what it was prior to the experiment so I what it was prior to the experiment so I what it was prior to the experiment so I think realistically guys must have must think realistically guys must have must think realistically guys must have must have all been sunlight deficient to some have all been sunlight deficient to some have all been sunlight deficient to some degree where prior to the study and then degree where prior to the study and then degree where prior to the study and then they went up to they should be and then they went up to they should be and then they went up to they should be and then out of you know it took eight days to out of you know it took eight days to out of you know it took eight days to develop the sunlight deficiency and go develop the sunlight deficiency and go develop the sunlight deficiency and go back down to where they were before that back down to where they were before that back down to where they were before that makes total sense I saw you post

2:01makes total sense I saw you post makes total sense I saw you post recently and this has been something recently and this has been something recently and this has been something people have asked me about actually people have asked me about actually people have asked me about actually pretty decently a lot sunlight UVB and pretty decently a lot sunlight UVB and pretty decently a lot sunlight UVB and DNA damage and how that damage gets DNA damage and how that damage gets DNA damage and how that damage gets repaired in 24 hours and how a lot of repaired in 24 hours and how a lot of repaired in 24 hours and how a lot of the claims that all sunlight causes DNA the claims that all sunlight causes DNA the claims that all sunlight causes DNA damage like it's no good we should avoid damage like it's no good we should avoid damage like it's no good we should avoid the Sun and wear sunscreen and all that the Sun and wear sunscreen and all that the Sun and wear sunscreen and all that is BS so anything I I just want to cover is BS so anything I I just want to cover is BS so anything I I just want to cover that topic it's something that I I've that topic it's something that I I've that topic it's something that I I've really talked about on the podcast and I really talked about on the podcast and I really talked about on the podcast and I think you'd be an interesting person to think you'd be an interesting person to think you'd be an interesting person to talk about it with so um what's your talk about it with so um what's your talk about it with so um what's your take on take on take on sunscreen I don't use it anymore and I sunscreen I don't use it anymore and I sunscreen I don't use it anymore and I used to feel guilty if I didn't use it used to feel guilty if I didn't use it used to feel guilty if I didn't use it um like oh I'm not doing the right thing um like oh I'm not doing the right thing um like oh I'm not doing the right thing and uh I'm fairly uh fair skinned I have and uh I'm fairly uh fair skinned I have and uh I'm fairly uh fair skinned I have a lot of relatives who are fair skinned a lot of relatives who are fair skinned a lot of relatives who are fair skinned and they totally bought into this and they totally bought into this and they totally bought into this melanoma whatever my father has had skin melanoma whatever my father has had skin melanoma whatever my father has had skin cancer but he died morbidly cancer but he died morbidly cancer but he died morbidly obese he had like six different kinds of obese he had like six different kinds of obese he had like six different kinds of cancers in his body at the time of his

2:02cancers in his body at the time of his cancers in his body at the time of his death and none of those killed him that death and none of those killed him that death and none of those killed him that is what I've seen is sun exposure is is what I've seen is sun exposure is is what I've seen is sun exposure is associated with longer life that even associated with longer life that even associated with longer life that even when there are increased rates of when there are increased rates of when there are increased rates of melanoma the um the skin can answer that melanoma the um the skin can answer that melanoma the um the skin can answer that is associated with increased sun is associated with increased sun is associated with increased sun exposure is less deadly now I'm not a exposure is less deadly now I'm not a exposure is less deadly now I'm not a medical doctor and this is at the medical doctor and this is at the medical doctor and this is at the periphery of my expertise so I've been periphery of my expertise so I've been periphery of my expertise so I've been trying to learn one of the um the best trying to learn one of the um the best trying to learn one of the um the best spoken or or one of my favorite authors spoken or or one of my favorite authors spoken or or one of my favorite authors on ultraviolet light is hollik I think on ultraviolet light is hollik I think on ultraviolet light is hollik I think he's in Boston but he publishes quite a he's in Boston but he publishes quite a he's in Boston but he publishes quite a bit one of the things I like about his bit one of the things I like about his bit one of the things I like about his studies is that he will uh do the studies is that he will uh do the studies is that he will uh do the science but he'll occasionally speak in science but he'll occasionally speak in science but he'll occasionally speak in a really Common Sense way and he had a really Common Sense way and he had a really Common Sense way and he had this paragraph in one of his uh papers I this paragraph in one of his uh papers I this paragraph in one of his uh papers I think it was in the book on photo

2:03think it was in the book on photo think it was in the book on photo biomodulation where he biomodulation where he biomodulation where he said the idea that sun is dangerous for said the idea that sun is dangerous for said the idea that sun is dangerous for you makes no sense from an evolutionary you makes no sense from an evolutionary you makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint he might have even called it standpoint he might have even called it standpoint he might have even called it absurd our bodies are built by evolution absurd our bodies are built by evolution absurd our bodies are built by evolution to expect ultraviolet light exposure we to expect ultraviolet light exposure we to expect ultraviolet light exposure we are photosynthetic creatures we rely on are photosynthetic creatures we rely on are photosynthetic creatures we rely on the Sun for the energy to synthesize our the Sun for the energy to synthesize our the Sun for the energy to synthesize our vitamin D and nothing could be more vitamin D and nothing could be more vitamin D and nothing could be more obvious than to say we need sunshine to obvious than to say we need sunshine to obvious than to say we need sunshine to make vitamin D you can get a little bit make vitamin D you can get a little bit make vitamin D you can get a little bit in your diet and that might help you get in your diet and that might help you get in your diet and that might help you get through the winter but you synthesize through the winter but you synthesize through the winter but you synthesize vitamin D you store these precursors vitamin D you store these precursors vitamin D you store these precursors there's so many different formulations there's so many different formulations there's so many different formulations of vitamin D in your body you get of vitamin D in your body you get of vitamin D in your body you get through the winter because your body is through the winter because your body is through the winter because your body is designed to store up what you need designed to store up what you need designed to store up what you need during the

2:04during the during the summer the idea that sunlight is summer the idea that sunlight is summer the idea that sunlight is somehow dangerous and unhealthy is an somehow dangerous and unhealthy is an somehow dangerous and unhealthy is an absurd absurd absurd extrapolation of what happens when you extrapolation of what happens when you extrapolation of what happens when you get the sunburn I don't like sunburn I get the sunburn I don't like sunburn I get the sunburn I don't like sunburn I don't want to get sunburn and the dose don't want to get sunburn and the dose don't want to get sunburn and the dose they say makes the poison right you of they say makes the poison right you of they say makes the poison right you of course you can overexpose people to course you can overexpose people to course you can overexpose people to ultraviolet radiation of course if you ultraviolet radiation of course if you ultraviolet radiation of course if you take an English semen and you know like take an English semen and you know like take an English semen and you know like a sailor and you deprive him of vitamin a sailor and you deprive him of vitamin a sailor and you deprive him of vitamin C and you feed him on GRL and hard tack C and you feed him on GRL and hard tack C and you feed him on GRL and hard tack for a month and then you sail them down for a month and then you sail them down for a month and then you sail them down to the equator and then leave them out to the equator and then leave them out to the equator and then leave them out in the you know Caribbean or whatever in the you know Caribbean or whatever in the you know Caribbean or whatever the hell it is exposed to the sun you the hell it is exposed to the sun you the hell it is exposed to the sun you can create a state of disease can create a state of disease can create a state of disease so I'm not talking I'm not recommending so I'm not talking I'm not recommending so I'm not talking I'm not recommending that you go out and you burn that you go out and you burn that you go out and you burn yourself what I'm saying is sunscreens

2:05yourself what I'm saying is sunscreens yourself what I'm saying is sunscreens probably do more damage than the sun probably do more damage than the sun probably do more damage than the sun does I don't put them on my skin anymore does I don't put them on my skin anymore does I don't put them on my skin anymore despite the fact that I have cousins and despite the fact that I have cousins and despite the fact that I have cousins and relatives with a history of dangerous relatives with a history of dangerous relatives with a history of dangerous skin cancers all survived it by the way skin cancers all survived it by the way skin cancers all survived it by the way but besite the fact that I'm related to but besite the fact that I'm related to but besite the fact that I'm related to people who are super cautious about it I people who are super cautious about it I people who are super cautious about it I have thrown caution to the wind I want have thrown caution to the wind I want have thrown caution to the wind I want the sunshine I live in Phoenix Arizona the sunshine I live in Phoenix Arizona the sunshine I live in Phoenix Arizona two weeks ago I spent the afternoon out two weeks ago I spent the afternoon out two weeks ago I spent the afternoon out on the lake sailing around I didn't use on the lake sailing around I didn't use on the lake sailing around I didn't use sunscreen then either and I've been sunscreen then either and I've been sunscreen then either and I've been trying to teach myself more about UVA trying to teach myself more about UVA trying to teach myself more about UVA UVB thinking about what would it be like UVB thinking about what would it be like UVB thinking about what would it be like to try and get a UV lamp approved by the to try and get a UV lamp approved by the to try and get a UV lamp approved by the FDA for vitamin D therapy so people FDA for vitamin D therapy so people FDA for vitamin D therapy so people didn't have to take supplements anymore didn't have to take supplements anymore didn't have to take supplements anymore it's a huge huge undertaking as it turns it's a huge huge undertaking as it turns it's a huge huge undertaking as it turns out and the FDA they're not entirely out and the FDA they're not entirely out and the FDA they're not entirely hostile but they're pretty aggressive hostile but they're pretty aggressive hostile but they're pretty aggressive against UV lamps and tanning

2:06against UV lamps and tanning against UV lamps and tanning lamps right lamps right lamps right here yeah I've got one too it is 1970s here yeah I've got one too it is 1970s here yeah I've got one too it is 1970s technology like you know you got your technology like you know you got your technology like you know you got your fluorescent tubes in there you got that fluorescent tubes in there you got that fluorescent tubes in there you got that timer you got like the metal cage and it timer you got like the metal cage and it timer you got like the metal cage and it reminds me of the kind of thing like if reminds me of the kind of thing like if reminds me of the kind of thing like if I wanted to watch Speed Racer you know I wanted to watch Speed Racer you know I wanted to watch Speed Racer you know when I was a little kid and I had to get when I was a little kid and I had to get when I was a little kid and I had to get Channel 56 or so like this is ancient Channel 56 or so like this is ancient Channel 56 or so like this is ancient technology the spury lamp you know in technology the spury lamp you know in technology the spury lamp you know in their defense it goes way back it their defense it goes way back it their defense it goes way back it predates the FDA and it is the only predates the FDA and it is the only predates the FDA and it is the only tanning lamp that is approved by the FDA tanning lamp that is approved by the FDA tanning lamp that is approved by the FDA partly because spury is a if I remember partly because spury is a if I remember partly because spury is a if I remember this correctly it's the name of a doctor this correctly it's the name of a doctor this correctly it's the name of a doctor who invented a lamp that people could who invented a lamp that people could who invented a lamp that people could use for phototherapy and this is what we use for phototherapy and this is what we use for phototherapy and this is what we have have have but partly because they don't have real but partly because they don't have real but partly because they don't have real competition you get this crappy you know competition you get this crappy you know competition you get this crappy you know fluorescent tube fluorescent tube fluorescent tube technology who knows what you're dosing

2:07technology who knows what you're dosing technology who knows what you're dosing um I want a digital lamp I filed a um I want a digital lamp I filed a um I want a digital lamp I filed a provisional patent on an LED narrow band provisional patent on an LED narrow band provisional patent on an LED narrow band UVB with a Peak at 309 nanometers UVB with a Peak at 309 nanometers UVB with a Peak at 309 nanometers avoiding the UVA UVA will tan your skin avoiding the UVA UVA will tan your skin avoiding the UVA UVA will tan your skin fast but it does it by oxidizing the fast but it does it by oxidizing the fast but it does it by oxidizing the melanin in your skin cells and turning melanin in your skin cells and turning melanin in your skin cells and turning it darker it's a great defense mechanism it darker it's a great defense mechanism it darker it's a great defense mechanism because you need that dark right away because you need that dark right away because you need that dark right away before you get sunburn but UVB will before you get sunburn but UVB will before you get sunburn but UVB will stimulate the production of new melanin stimulate the production of new melanin stimulate the production of new melanin and that's what I'm going for that's for and that's what I'm going for that's for and that's what I'm going for that's for me The Sweet Spot between vitamin D me The Sweet Spot between vitamin D me The Sweet Spot between vitamin D production and it's not maximum vitamin production and it's not maximum vitamin production and it's not maximum vitamin D production but that 309 it's a sweet D production but that 309 it's a sweet D production but that 309 it's a sweet spot between vitamin D with least risk spot between vitamin D with least risk spot between vitamin D with least risk of sunburn so a Proto type that lamp um of sunburn so a Proto type that lamp um of sunburn so a Proto type that lamp um but I haven't brought it to Market but I haven't brought it to Market but I haven't brought it to Market because to Market it as a medical device because to Market it as a medical device because to Market it as a medical device is a huge leap at the FDA and I haven't is a huge leap at the FDA and I haven't is a huge leap at the FDA and I haven't even applied yet makes sense yeah when

2:08even applied yet makes sense yeah when even applied yet makes sense yeah when you try to that's where that post is you try to that's where that post is you try to that's where that post is coming from it's not really about cold coming from it's not really about cold coming from it's not really about cold exposure although I love rewarming in exposure although I love rewarming in exposure although I love rewarming in the sunshine it's like when I finish the sunshine it's like when I finish the sunshine it's like when I finish this book on cold exposure then where am this book on cold exposure then where am this book on cold exposure then where am I going to go I'm gon to go into photo I going to go I'm gon to go into photo I going to go I'm gon to go into photo therapy interesting I love that yeah I therapy interesting I love that yeah I therapy interesting I love that yeah I mean cold exposure is but sunlight's mean cold exposure is but sunlight's mean cold exposure is but sunlight's pretty great too they're both uh you pretty great too they're both uh you pretty great too they're both uh you know pieces of the puzzle you know so know pieces of the puzzle you know so know pieces of the puzzle you know so yeah that's awesome all right I'm glad yeah that's awesome all right I'm glad yeah that's awesome all right I'm glad we covered that so uh also back on the we covered that so uh also back on the we covered that so uh also back on the ice bass for testosterone thing you ice bass for testosterone thing you ice bass for testosterone thing you mentioned the pathway was LH so LH mentioned the pathway was LH so LH mentioned the pathway was LH so LH increased and testosterone increased so increased and testosterone increased so increased and testosterone increased so there's got to be something happening there's got to be something happening there's got to be something happening brain wise that's stimulating that brain wise that's stimulating that brain wise that's stimulating that release it has to come from G&R from the release it has to come from G&R from the release it has to come from G&R from the hypothalamus so I'm wondering what what hypothalamus so I'm wondering what what hypothalamus so I'm wondering what what about the cold exposure could be about the cold exposure could be about the cold exposure could be influencing that because I'll say this influencing that because I'll say this influencing that because I'll say this the mechanism by which most of the the mechanism by which most of the the mechanism by which most of the mental stuff takes place um or like the mental stuff takes place um or like the mental stuff takes place um or like the competition or the in the- Moment Like

2:09competition or the in the- Moment Like competition or the in the- Moment Like quick testosterone production is usually quick testosterone production is usually quick testosterone production is usually not from LH it's usually from not from LH it's usually from not from LH it's usually from noradrenaline so or you know catacol noradrenaline so or you know catacol noradrenaline so or you know catacol means in general dopamine but mostly means in general dopamine but mostly means in general dopamine but mostly noradrenaline so noradrenaline actually noradrenaline so noradrenaline actually noradrenaline so noradrenaline actually signals for the LX cells directly to signals for the LX cells directly to signals for the LX cells directly to increase testosterone production just increase testosterone production just increase testosterone production just like LH does but it's a much faster like LH does but it's a much faster like LH does but it's a much faster pathway so like let's say I walk up to pathway so like let's say I walk up to pathway so like let's say I walk up to you and I punch in the face you're not you and I punch in the face you're not you and I punch in the face you're not increasing LH you're increasing your increasing LH you're increasing your increasing LH you're increasing your adrenaline and that's going to increase adrenaline and that's going to increase adrenaline and that's going to increase the testosterone and make you fight me the testosterone and make you fight me the testosterone and make you fight me so what's yeah that makes a ton of sense so what's yeah that makes a ton of sense so what's yeah that makes a ton of sense I find it super interesting that it's an I find it super interesting that it's an I find it super interesting that it's an LH increase and not you know I mean I LH increase and not you know I mean I LH increase and not you know I mean I guess there's also a nor adrenaline guess there's also a nor adrenaline guess there's also a nor adrenaline increase from the cold exposure but I increase from the cold exposure but I increase from the cold exposure but I find it interesting that LH also goes up find it interesting that LH also goes up find it interesting that LH also goes up so it's it has to be something that's so it's it has to be something that's so it's it has to be something that's happening in the brain other than the happening in the brain other than the happening in the brain other than the fight or flight response increasing fight or flight response increasing fight or flight response increasing testosterone it has to be something testosterone it has to be something testosterone it has to be something mechanistically saying systemically we mechanistically saying systemically we mechanistically saying systemically we want increased testosterone for long want increased testosterone for long want increased testosterone for long periods of time like we need more periods of time like we need more periods of time like we need more testosterone tomorrow morning so I find testosterone tomorrow morning so I find testosterone tomorrow morning so I find that super interesting super super that super interesting super super that super interesting super super interesting I think you're really on to interesting I think you're really on to

2:10interesting I think you're really on to something luteinizing hormone there the something luteinizing hormone there the something luteinizing hormone there the LH it's not something that uh I'm LH it's not something that uh I'm LH it's not something that uh I'm allowed to order myself but after I got allowed to order myself but after I got allowed to order myself but after I got my PSA under control I went to Mari my PSA under control I went to Mari my PSA under control I went to Mari urologist I'm like I should really you urologist I'm like I should really you urologist I'm like I should really you know share the he's not gonna say you know share the he's not gonna say you know share the he's not gonna say you need a biopsy now right it's under need a biopsy now right it's under need a biopsy now right it's under control and uh he looked at my lab control and uh he looked at my lab control and uh he looked at my lab reports and he didn't tell me this he's reports and he didn't tell me this he's reports and he didn't tell me this he's like well want to do one more test he like well want to do one more test he like well want to do one more test he didn't tell me that he thought I was didn't tell me that he thought I was didn't tell me that he thought I was juicing he's like there's no freaking juicing he's like there's no freaking juicing he's like there's no freaking way this 50s something year old guy uh way this 50s something year old guy uh way this 50s something year old guy uh still overweight you know doesn't work still overweight you know doesn't work still overweight you know doesn't work out how the hell is he gonna have a test out how the hell is he gonna have a test out how the hell is he gonna have a test report like I just want one more test report like I just want one more test report like I just want one more test just me back to the lab I didn't even just me back to the lab I didn't even just me back to the lab I didn't even know what LH was I'm just like okay they know what LH was I'm just like okay they know what LH was I'm just like okay they take some more Blood Out report came take some more Blood Out report came take some more Blood Out report came back there was another one of those red back there was another one of those red back there was another one of those red triangles out of range my LH was through triangles out of range my LH was through triangles out of range my LH was through the roof and that's how he knew that my the roof and that's how he knew that my the roof and that's how he knew that my body was stimulating the production of body was stimulating the production of body was stimulating the production of that testosterone in my own nads instead that testosterone in my own nads instead that testosterone in my own nads instead of getting it from you know a syringe or

2:11of getting it from you know a syringe or of getting it from you know a syringe or a chemical plant yeah and LH a chemical plant yeah and LH a chemical plant yeah and LH goes so that makes sense that's like goes so that makes sense that's like goes so that makes sense that's like proof is in the pudding right there um proof is in the pudding right there um proof is in the pudding right there um another thing too I mean your prostate another thing too I mean your prostate another thing too I mean your prostate improved as your testosterone went improved as your testosterone went improved as your testosterone went higher so that's another like one that higher so that's another like one that higher so that's another like one that will turn a couple heads and be like will turn a couple heads and be like will turn a couple heads and be like wait doesn't hire testosterone [ __ ] up wait doesn't hire testosterone [ __ ] up wait doesn't hire testosterone [ __ ] up your prostate I don't know your prostate I don't know your prostate I don't know man I can't believe I not me so much for man I can't believe I not me so much for man I can't believe I not me so much for us would you know be directly correlated us would you know be directly correlated us would you know be directly correlated to you know compromised Health in just to you know compromised Health in just to you know compromised Health in just one area of the body but be so profound one area of the body but be so profound one area of the body but be so profound and necessary for so many other areas of and necessary for so many other areas of and necessary for so many other areas of the body similar to my perspective on the body similar to my perspective on the body similar to my perspective on DHT for hair loss um how you know DHT is DHT for hair loss um how you know DHT is DHT for hair loss um how you know DHT is so amazing for so many things we also so amazing for so many things we also so amazing for so many things we also see like you know for puberty and for see like you know for puberty and for see like you know for puberty and for strength and for confidence things like strength and for confidence things like strength and for confidence things like that and I mean for it to be responsible that and I mean for it to be responsible that and I mean for it to be responsible for balding something that like is you for balding something that like is you for balding something that like is you know indicative of you know some kind of know indicative of you know some kind of know indicative of you know some kind of deficiency in somewhere doesn't really deficiency in somewhere doesn't really deficiency in somewhere doesn't really seem to be it but we also see DHT arrive

2:12seem to be it but we also see DHT arrive seem to be it but we also see DHT arrive at sites of inflammation so if the scalp at sites of inflammation so if the scalp at sites of inflammation so if the scalp is ex inflamed then the DHT could be is ex inflamed then the DHT could be is ex inflamed then the DHT could be higher in the scalps of bald men because higher in the scalps of bald men because higher in the scalps of bald men because it's there to fight the inflammation so it's there to fight the inflammation so it's there to fight the inflammation so it's rather an effect not a cause it's rather an effect not a cause it's rather an effect not a cause another thing I've taken it a little bit another thing I've taken it a little bit another thing I've taken it a little bit step further um and I've I've seen this step further um and I've I've seen this step further um and I've I've seen this also from a couple other people on also from a couple other people on also from a couple other people on YouTube um where they noticed that bald YouTube um where they noticed that bald YouTube um where they noticed that bald guys have tight scalps guys that are guys have tight scalps guys that are guys have tight scalps guys that are like genuinely bald their scalp is tight like genuinely bald their scalp is tight like genuinely bald their scalp is tight and shiny but guys like Terry Cruz or and shiny but guys like Terry Cruz or and shiny but guys like Terry Cruz or guys like that actually just shave their guys like that actually just shave their guys like that actually just shave their head but don't aren't actually bald head but don't aren't actually bald head but don't aren't actually bald their scalps are loose and they can move their scalps are loose and they can move their scalps are loose and they can move them around so like that tightness of them around so like that tightness of them around so like that tightness of the scalp can be contributing to the the scalp can be contributing to the the scalp can be contributing to the inflammation that leads to the high DHT inflammation that leads to the high DHT inflammation that leads to the high DHT that's leading to the baldness but it's that's leading to the baldness but it's that's leading to the baldness but it's the DHT isn't necessarily the cause it's the DHT isn't necessarily the cause it's the DHT isn't necessarily the cause it's an effect it's there to try to combat an effect it's there to try to combat an effect it's there to try to combat the inflammation so just like that with the inflammation so just like that with the inflammation so just like that with testosterone when it comes to the testosterone when it comes to the testosterone when it comes to the prostate there has to be in my opinion I prostate there has to be in my opinion I prostate there has to be in my opinion I I don't have research to support it I I don't have research to support it I I don't have research to support it I wish there was research that would wish there was research that would wish there was research that would clarify this but there's not at least clarify this but there's not at least clarify this but there's not at least yet information to rise up or to bring

2:13yet information to rise up or to bring yet information to rise up or to bring awareness to potentially another cause awareness to potentially another cause awareness to potentially another cause that could be the prostate issue that that could be the prostate issue that that could be the prostate issue that then the testosterone is there to then the testosterone is there to then the testosterone is there to compensate for or that tends to happen compensate for or that tends to happen compensate for or that tends to happen in guys with higher testosterone some in guys with higher testosterone some in guys with higher testosterone some kind of Lifestyle factor that leads to kind of Lifestyle factor that leads to kind of Lifestyle factor that leads to some thing that has to do with prostate some thing that has to do with prostate some thing that has to do with prostate cancer something like that um I don't cancer something like that um I don't cancer something like that um I don't know but um you know maybe they're just know but um you know maybe they're just know but um you know maybe they're just not ejaculating enough or whatever not ejaculating enough or whatever not ejaculating enough or whatever there's that's really the only thing there's that's really the only thing there's that's really the only thing where there's really data on um I forget where there's really data on um I forget where there's really data on um I forget what the term is it's the prostate what the term is it's the prostate what the term is it's the prostate something hypothesis where um you know something hypothesis where um you know something hypothesis where um you know not ejaculating as frequently as you not ejaculating as frequently as you not ejaculating as frequently as you need to can lead to inflammation in your need to can lead to inflammation in your need to can lead to inflammation in your prostate things like that over time so prostate things like that over time so prostate things like that over time so ejaculating somewhat regularly or at ejaculating somewhat regularly or at ejaculating somewhat regularly or at least the very minimum enough um to help least the very minimum enough um to help least the very minimum enough um to help your prostate health um that's really your prostate health um that's really your prostate health um that's really the main only aspect of um Pro the main only aspect of um Pro the main only aspect of um Pro testosterone with the sex life is just testosterone with the sex life is just testosterone with the sex life is just to have a decent sex life you just have to have a decent sex life you just have to have a decent sex life you just have to be like a normal person you know you to be like a normal person you know you to be like a normal person you know you don't have to be extreme busted nuts don't have to be extreme busted nuts don't have to be extreme busted nuts like four or five times a day you also like four or five times a day you also like four or five times a day you also don't need to extreme like holding seen don't need to extreme like holding seen don't need to extreme like holding seen for 15 months but you know just a for 15 months but you know just a for 15 months but you know just a regular sex life is really all it comes regular sex life is really all it comes regular sex life is really all it comes down to for that but yeah I think it's down to for that but yeah I think it's down to for that but yeah I think it's uh it's super interesting to dive into I

2:14uh it's super interesting to dive into I uh it's super interesting to dive into I I really wish that I had more degrees so I really wish that I had more degrees so I really wish that I had more degrees so that I can conduct studies on my own and that I can conduct studies on my own and that I can conduct studies on my own and do some more independent you don't need do some more independent you don't need do some more independent you don't need more degrees you're already conducting more degrees you're already conducting more degrees you're already conducting studies on your own fair enough degrees studies on your own fair enough degrees studies on your own fair enough degrees are overrated I got a lot of them I'm are overrated I got a lot of them I'm are overrated I got a lot of them I'm it's good to hear that I've really it's good to hear that I've really it's good to hear that I've really considered going back and getting my considered going back and getting my considered going back and getting my masters and my PhD and something because masters and my PhD and something because masters and my PhD and something because my degree is in finance I don't have any my degree is in finance I don't have any my degree is in finance I don't have any degrees related to anything health degrees related to anything health degrees related to anything health related I've really just independent related I've really just independent related I've really just independent research for a really long time and I've research for a really long time and I've research for a really long time and I've read a lot of studies and articles but read a lot of studies and articles but read a lot of studies and articles but I've never gotten any actual degrees in I've never gotten any actual degrees in I've never gotten any actual degrees in this realm so it's been a little a this realm so it's been a little a this realm so it's been a little a little bit of an obstacle when it comes little bit of an obstacle when it comes little bit of an obstacle when it comes to certain people that are like oh you to certain people that are like oh you to certain people that are like oh you don't have a degree like you don't don't have a degree like you don't don't have a degree like you don't really know what you're talking about really know what you're talking about really know what you're talking about I'm like I kind of do though I learned I'm like I kind of do though I learned I'm like I kind of do though I learned from people with degrees but they uh from people with degrees but they uh from people with degrees but they uh they're buying into the same [ __ ] they're buying into the same [ __ ] they're buying into the same [ __ ] cultural narrative that is trying to cultural narrative that is trying to cultural narrative that is trying to keep them weak and dependent it it makes keep them weak and dependent it it makes keep them weak and dependent it it makes no sense to me testosterone has had a no sense to me testosterone has had a no sense to me testosterone has had a really bad rap especially these last 10 really bad rap especially these last 10 really bad rap especially these last 10 years toxic masculinity oh testosterone years toxic masculinity oh testosterone years toxic masculinity oh testosterone makes you go bald testosterone and

2:15makes you go bald testosterone and makes you go bald testosterone and prostate your testosterone goes up your prostate your testosterone goes up your prostate your testosterone goes up your prostate is going to suffer um I got an prostate is going to suffer um I got an prostate is going to suffer um I got an email from a reader who said he tried email from a reader who said he tried email from a reader who said he tried the ice bath exercise protocol he read the ice bath exercise protocol he read the ice bath exercise protocol he read about my stuff and you wanted the about my stuff and you wanted the about my stuff and you wanted the testosterone and had I ever heard of testosterone and had I ever heard of testosterone and had I ever heard of anybody who hair started growing back anybody who hair started growing back anybody who hair started growing back after they were doing ice baths I'm like after they were doing ice baths I'm like after they were doing ice baths I'm like WR them back nope and he goes well you WR them back nope and he goes well you WR them back nope and he goes well you have now because I swear to God I'm have now because I swear to God I'm have now because I swear to God I'm getting new hair out of the top of my getting new hair out of the top of my getting new hair out of the top of my head at the same time my testosterone is head at the same time my testosterone is head at the same time my testosterone is going up so when it comes to like these going up so when it comes to like these going up so when it comes to like these popular narratives about testosterone I popular narratives about testosterone I popular narratives about testosterone I don't buy any of them anymore like I I don't buy any of them anymore like I I don't buy any of them anymore like I I don't trust a dang thing that is coming don't trust a dang thing that is coming don't trust a dang thing that is coming out of what Cruz would call Centralized out of what Cruz would call Centralized out of what Cruz would call Centralized medicine saladino is really good on this medicine saladino is really good on this medicine saladino is really good on this too he goes to med school down at the too he goes to med school down at the too he goes to med school down at the University of Arizona you know couple

2:16University of Arizona you know couple University of Arizona you know couple hours south of me here he says we got hours south of me here he says we got hours south of me here he says we got like three hours of instruction on like three hours of instruction on like three hours of instruction on nutrition and that is it Med schools are nutrition and that is it Med schools are nutrition and that is it Med schools are drug schools you you're not going to get drug schools you you're not going to get drug schools you you're not going to get anything from a degree you kind of got anything from a degree you kind of got anything from a degree you kind of got to give yourself your own degree every to give yourself your own degree every to give yourself your own degree every study that amounts let me rephrase this study that amounts let me rephrase this study that amounts let me rephrase this everything with you that you do with everything with you that you do with everything with you that you do with your own body is an N equals one study your own body is an N equals one study your own body is an N equals one study because it doesn't matter what happened because it doesn't matter what happened because it doesn't matter what happened in the med school or what happened in in the med school or what happened in in the med school or what happened in the NIH clinical trial or what the P the NIH clinical trial or what the P the NIH clinical trial or what the P Factor on the statistics were let's say Factor on the statistics were let's say Factor on the statistics were let's say they got that P Factor you know they got that P Factor you know they got that P Factor you know 0.01 0.01 0.01 99% confidence that means nothing to you 99% confidence that means nothing to you 99% confidence that means nothing to you are you in the 99 or are you in the are you in the 99 or are you in the are you in the 99 or are you in the because until you try it for yourself because until you try it for yourself because until you try it for yourself you don't know so the only study that you don't know so the only study that you don't know so the only study that means anything to you is the n equal one

2:17means anything to you is the n equal one means anything to you is the n equal one study what happened when you gave it a study what happened when you gave it a study what happened when you gave it a shot all the rest of them are just shot all the rest of them are just shot all the rest of them are just hypotheses hey we did this we saw this hypotheses hey we did this we saw this hypotheses hey we did this we saw this happen to some Japanese guys on an happen to some Japanese guys on an happen to some Japanese guys on an exercise bike that might be an idea you exercise bike that might be an idea you exercise bike that might be an idea you want to try you know all the rest of it want to try you know all the rest of it want to try you know all the rest of it is just sources of new is just sources of new is just sources of new ideas yeah I like that perspective uh ideas yeah I like that perspective uh ideas yeah I like that perspective uh it's definitely reassuring to hear that it's definitely reassuring to hear that it's definitely reassuring to hear that from somebody with degrees so yeah cool from somebody with degrees so yeah cool from somebody with degrees so yeah cool and I've seen I've heard that pretty and I've seen I've heard that pretty and I've seen I've heard that pretty commonly the more degrees guys have they commonly the more degrees guys have they commonly the more degrees guys have they usually give guys like me advice not to usually give guys like me advice not to usually give guys like me advice not to get them which is I think pretty get them which is I think pretty get them which is I think pretty interesting um yeah I was big on reading interesting um yeah I was big on reading interesting um yeah I was big on reading studies when I was younger like in high studies when I was younger like in high studies when I was younger like in high school and then I kind of totally school and then I kind of totally school and then I kind of totally flipped the switch and I was like all flipped the switch and I was like all flipped the switch and I was like all right forget everything about studies I right forget everything about studies I right forget everything about studies I only care about my experience I'm just only care about my experience I'm just only care about my experience I'm just going to test everything myself and then going to test everything myself and then going to test everything myself and then now I've kind of found this like balance now I've kind of found this like balance now I've kind of found this like balance where it's like okay the studies like where it's like okay the studies like where it's like okay the studies like you said give me good ideas they give me you said give me good ideas they give me you said give me good ideas they give me new things to try and then I can kind of new things to try and then I can kind of new things to try and then I can kind of see what's up with with that I also like see what's up with with that I also like see what's up with with that I also like to collect a lot of data on and Kelly to collect a lot of data on and Kelly to collect a lot of data on and Kelly science and experience yep exactly and I

2:18science and experience yep exactly and I science and experience yep exactly and I like to collect data with my clients too like to collect data with my clients too like to collect data with my clients too I have them log so many different things I have them log so many different things I have them log so many different things like from how often they spend in the like from how often they spend in the like from how often they spend in the sun whether they were wearing clothes sun whether they were wearing clothes sun whether they were wearing clothes what areas of the body gets in the Sun what areas of the body gets in the Sun what areas of the body gets in the Sun how often they're ejaculating all of how often they're ejaculating all of how often they're ejaculating all of their we use the app chronometer so they their we use the app chronometer so they their we use the app chronometer so they get they log all of their meals and it get they log all of their meals and it get they log all of their meals and it tracks all of the micronutrients and tracks all of the micronutrients and tracks all of the micronutrients and macronutrients in their Foods so so we macronutrients in their Foods so so we macronutrients in their Foods so so we can see like throughout the week like can see like throughout the week like can see like throughout the week like what week they had better food what week what week they had better food what week what week they had better food what week they were deficient in whatever and then they were deficient in whatever and then they were deficient in whatever and then see how that correlates to their blood see how that correlates to their blood see how that correlates to their blood work and it's been helpful to see that work and it's been helpful to see that work and it's been helpful to see that through my clients uh the toughest part through my clients uh the toughest part through my clients uh the toughest part is just to get them to commit to logging is just to get them to commit to logging is just to get them to commit to logging everything accurately and consistently everything accurately and consistently everything accurately and consistently but it's you know yeah compliance with but it's you know yeah compliance with but it's you know yeah compliance with the food Diaries and stuff it's a it's the food Diaries and stuff it's a it's the food Diaries and stuff it's a it's trouble yep yeah the once you get in the trouble yep yeah the once you get in the trouble yep yeah the once you get in the m a routine I've switched from a a m a routine I've switched from a a m a routine I've switched from a a longer program like a 12we program now longer program like a 12we program now longer program like a 12we program now down to a nday program so my job is down to a nday program so my job is down to a nday program so my job is pretty much to get them in the routine pretty much to get them in the routine pretty much to get them in the routine so they can continue on their own after so they can continue on their own after so they can continue on their own after the program as opposed to like once a the program as opposed to like once a the program as opposed to like once a week being like how'd you guys do this week being like how'd you guys do this week being like how'd you guys do this week you know did you were you on point week you know did you were you on point week you know did you were you on point it's like nine days in a row you're on

2:19it's like nine days in a row you're on it's like nine days in a row you're on you're on the routine you're logging you're on the routine you're logging you're on the routine you're logging everything nine days in a row and then I everything nine days in a row and then I everything nine days in a row and then I feel like once you get anything into a feel like once you get anything into a feel like once you get anything into a routine and it becomes a habit and a routine and it becomes a habit and a routine and it becomes a habit and a pattern it's easier to keep it going pattern it's easier to keep it going pattern it's easier to keep it going agreed it hardly takes any energy you agreed it hardly takes any energy you agreed it hardly takes any energy you like doing it on autopilot exactly like like doing it on autopilot exactly like like doing it on autopilot exactly like for me now it feels weird to eat for me now it feels weird to eat for me now it feels weird to eat something and not put it in the something and not put it in the something and not put it in the chronometer even though I I have a good chronometer even though I I have a good chronometer even though I I have a good gauge on like what my my intake is and I gauge on like what my my intake is and I gauge on like what my my intake is and I kind of know what I need to eat in order kind of know what I need to eat in order kind of know what I need to eat in order to hit my targets I still am like you to hit my targets I still am like you to hit my targets I still am like you know what let me just do it anyway like know what let me just do it anyway like know what let me just do it anyway like it's just for the habit I get like the it's just for the habit I get like the it's just for the habit I get like the mental satisfaction that it's it's in mental satisfaction that it's it's in mental satisfaction that it's it's in there and the log is there and then I there and the log is there and then I there and the log is there and then I mean longterm like two three years from mean longterm like two three years from mean longterm like two three years from now I can look at the longterm data and now I can look at the longterm data and now I can look at the longterm data and really see like you know I feel like the really see like you know I feel like the really see like you know I feel like the more data you have on yourself the more more data you have on yourself the more more data you have on yourself the more you can learn about yourself so I'm a you can learn about yourself so I'm a you can learn about yourself so I'm a huge advocate like I I try to track huge advocate like I I try to track huge advocate like I I try to track everything I could possibly track these everything I could possibly track these everything I could possibly track these days so that I can look back on it I did days so that I can look back on it I did days so that I can look back on it I did the same thing with my son I still have the same thing with my son I still have the same thing with my son I still have his blood sugar journals from you know his blood sugar journals from you know his blood sugar journals from you know back in back in back in 2002 we would track his exercise his 2002 we would track his exercise his 2002 we would track his exercise his diet his insulin his blood sugars diet his insulin his blood sugars diet his insulin his blood sugars everything and then I would go meet with

2:20everything and then I would go meet with everything and then I would go meet with a nutritionist or a dietitian or a nutritionist or a dietitian or a nutritionist or a dietitian or something and they would try and tell me something and they would try and tell me something and they would try and tell me crap like protein cannot increase your crap like protein cannot increase your crap like protein cannot increase your blood sugar I'm like oh no no wait now blood sugar I'm like oh no no wait now blood sugar I'm like oh no no wait now so you know here it is and here's where so you know here it is and here's where so you know here it is and here's where you had the cheeseburger with no bun and you had the cheeseburger with no bun and you had the cheeseburger with no bun and then four hours later this is where we then four hours later this is where we then four hours later this is where we had to give him some extra H because of had to give him some extra H because of had to give him some extra H because of the you know and now we've learned to the you know and now we've learned to the you know and now we've learned to match the protein with the MP age match the protein with the MP age match the protein with the MP age because that's the later acting and because that's the later acting and because that's the later acting and that's what the curve looks like and that's what the curve looks like and that's what the curve looks like and they're that didn't happen as if like they're that didn't happen as if like they're that didn't happen as if like all my data didn't happen because they all my data didn't happen because they all my data didn't happen because they didn't have a textbook that told them didn't have a textbook that told them didn't have a textbook that told them this thing that I experienced with my this thing that I experienced with my this thing that I experienced with my son actually happened to us I'm like son actually happened to us I'm like son actually happened to us I'm like that's when I stopped going to that's when I stopped going to that's when I stopped going to dietitians and nutritionists makes sense dietitians and nutritionists makes sense dietitians and nutritionists makes sense my dad had an interesting thing too with my dad had an interesting thing too with my dad had an interesting thing too with the cortisol with gluconeogenesis from the cortisol with gluconeogenesis from the cortisol with gluconeogenesis from working out he was you know I was working out he was you know I was working out he was you know I was teaching him about how you know know teaching him about how you know know teaching him about how you know know cortisol signals for gluconeogenesis so cortisol signals for gluconeogenesis so cortisol signals for gluconeogenesis so the cortisol Spike from working out you the cortisol Spike from working out you the cortisol Spike from working out you know if you're not eating any carbs your know if you're not eating any carbs your know if you're not eating any carbs your your blood sugar is going to go up your blood sugar is going to go up your blood sugar is going to go up anyway because you need the glucose

2:21anyway because you need the glucose anyway because you need the glucose regardless so that was like a pop popper regardless so that was like a pop popper regardless so that was like a pop popper for him he uh or a top popper he uh you for him he uh or a top popper he uh you for him he uh or a top popper he uh you know he started noticing it he has one know he started noticing it he has one know he started noticing it he has one of those continuous glucose monitors the of those continuous glucose monitors the of those continuous glucose monitors the one that goes in your arm nice it one that goes in your arm nice it one that goes in your arm nice it continues to check so he can see his continues to check so he can see his continues to check so he can see his stuff and he was seeing like you know stuff and he was seeing like you know stuff and he was seeing like you know every time I work out without eating I every time I work out without eating I every time I work out without eating I still you know still still goes up still you know still still goes up still you know still still goes up cortisol still spikes it every time so cortisol still spikes it every time so cortisol still spikes it every time so now he like around me about it he's like now he like around me about it he's like now he like around me about it he's like oh my cortisol went up I'm high oh my cortisol went up I'm high oh my cortisol went up I'm high again it surprises a lot of people to again it surprises a lot of people to again it surprises a lot of people to see that reaction because they've been see that reaction because they've been see that reaction because they've been taught that their blood clu glucose is a taught that their blood clu glucose is a taught that their blood clu glucose is a function of the carbs they eat that's function of the carbs they eat that's function of the carbs they eat that's true but it's incomplete your liver true but it's incomplete your liver true but it's incomplete your liver stores glycogen and when you're stores glycogen and when you're stores glycogen and when you're activated that fight ORF flight response activated that fight ORF flight response activated that fight ORF flight response your liver will release glycogen into your liver will release glycogen into your liver will release glycogen into your bloodstream to spike your blood your bloodstream to spike your blood your bloodstream to spike your blood glucose just in case your muscles need glucose just in case your muscles need glucose just in case your muscles need it yeah and they do if you're not eating it yeah and they do if you're not eating it yeah and they do if you're not eating any carbs and you're working you're any carbs and you're working you're any carbs and you're working you're lifting heavy they definitely need it um lifting heavy they definitely need it um lifting heavy they definitely need it um I've been a huge advocate for uh intra I've been a huge advocate for uh intra I've been a huge advocate for uh intra workout carb consumption so personally I

2:22workout carb consumption so personally I workout carb consumption so personally I put uh maple syrup in my water while I put uh maple syrup in my water while I put uh maple syrup in my water while I while I work out and I drink that mid while I work out and I drink that mid while I work out and I drink that mid workout to mitigate that cortisol Spike workout to mitigate that cortisol Spike workout to mitigate that cortisol Spike I saw this one study I forget um who it I saw this one study I forget um who it I saw this one study I forget um who it was by when it was from but uh I was by when it was from but uh I was by when it was from but uh I remember the details of it so basically remember the details of it so basically remember the details of it so basically they had two groups one group they did they had two groups one group they did they had two groups one group they did the same 12we like weightlifting program the same 12we like weightlifting program the same 12we like weightlifting program one group worked out fasted with no in one group worked out fasted with no in one group worked out fasted with no in workout drink they only drank water it workout drink they only drank water it workout drink they only drank water it was like a placebo and then the other was like a placebo and then the other was like a placebo and then the other group uh still worked out fasted but group uh still worked out fasted but group uh still worked out fasted but drank uh sugar water basically cane drank uh sugar water basically cane drank uh sugar water basically cane sugar in their water throughout their sugar in their water throughout their sugar in their water throughout their workouts and they measured the workouts and they measured the workouts and they measured the difference in cortisol and the difference in cortisol and the difference in cortisol and the difference in their uh fast switch difference in their uh fast switch difference in their uh fast switch muscle fiber and slow twitch muscle muscle fiber and slow twitch muscle muscle fiber and slow twitch muscle fiber growth and what was interesting is fiber growth and what was interesting is fiber growth and what was interesting is the group that drank the sugar water had the group that drank the sugar water had the group that drank the sugar water had only a 7% increase post-workout in for only a 7% increase post-workout in for only a 7% increase post-workout in for cortisol and the water group had a 97% cortisol and the water group had a 97% cortisol and the water group had a 97% increase in cortisol and their increase in cortisol and their increase in cortisol and their difference in muscle building throughout difference in muscle building throughout difference in muscle building throughout that period was pretty significant the that period was pretty significant the that period was pretty significant the group that grank drank the sugar group that grank drank the sugar group that grank drank the sugar increased fast switch muscle fiber by increased fast switch muscle fiber by increased fast switch muscle fiber by like 20 something perent 24% I think it like 20 something perent 24% I think it like 20 something perent 24% I think it was uh I don't remember that number

2:23was uh I don't remember that number was uh I don't remember that number somewhere 20s something and then the somewhere 20s something and then the somewhere 20s something and then the other group actually I want to say they other group actually I want to say they other group actually I want to say they like lost 0.1% fast twitch muscle fiber like lost 0.1% fast twitch muscle fiber like lost 0.1% fast twitch muscle fiber um and I mean they were working out um and I mean they were working out um and I mean they were working out fasted so obviously you know none of fasted so obviously you know none of fasted so obviously you know none of them were getting enough protein but them were getting enough protein but them were getting enough protein but that mitigation of cortisol was able to that mitigation of cortisol was able to that mitigation of cortisol was able to you know give them a pretty significant you know give them a pretty significant you know give them a pretty significant uh you know advantage over the other uh you know advantage over the other uh you know advantage over the other group which I found interesting so then group which I found interesting so then group which I found interesting so then after that I was you know all right I'm after that I was you know all right I'm after that I was you know all right I'm going to do sugar water you know I tried going to do sugar water you know I tried going to do sugar water you know I tried honey I'm not wasn't a big fan of like honey I'm not wasn't a big fan of like honey I'm not wasn't a big fan of like cane sugar or just like plain sugar so I cane sugar or just like plain sugar so I cane sugar or just like plain sugar so I was like all right honey yeah me either was like all right honey yeah me either was like all right honey yeah me either I like the maple syrup angle better yeah I like the maple syrup angle better yeah I like the maple syrup angle better yeah honey clumps at the bottom of your cold honey clumps at the bottom of your cold honey clumps at the bottom of your cold water bottle so it's not really like water bottle so it's not really like water bottle so it's not really like yeah convenient and then maple syrup yeah convenient and then maple syrup yeah convenient and then maple syrup ended up being the thing that that was ended up being the thing that that was ended up being the thing that that was working for me um and I also would drink working for me um and I also would drink working for me um and I also would drink at the time I was drinking raw milk goat at the time I was drinking raw milk goat at the time I was drinking raw milk goat milk at the gym mid workout with maple milk at the gym mid workout with maple milk at the gym mid workout with maple syrup in it milk and maple syrup if you syrup in it milk and maple syrup if you syrup in it milk and maple syrup if you never tried it oh that sounds delicious never tried it oh that sounds delicious never tried it oh that sounds delicious it's a banger um so that was uh what I it's a banger um so that was uh what I it's a banger um so that was uh what I was doing at the time and that was what was doing at the time and that was what was doing at the time and that was what like I was doing pretty much every like I was doing pretty much every like I was doing pretty much every single day while I was working out single day while I was working out single day while I was working out during that period of time where I put during that period of time where I put during that period of time where I put on all this on all this on all this week but I was in the gym pretty much

2:24week but I was in the gym pretty much week but I was in the gym pretty much every day full body workouts I was doing every day full body workouts I was doing every day full body workouts I was doing a lot things at the same time but the a lot things at the same time but the a lot things at the same time but the int the intra workout carbs was huge for int the intra workout carbs was huge for int the intra workout carbs was huge for me I've honestly been pretty against me I've honestly been pretty against me I've honestly been pretty against keto for a pretty long time it's pretty keto for a pretty long time it's pretty keto for a pretty long time it's pretty much the only like diet that I haven't much the only like diet that I haven't much the only like diet that I haven't tried is reducing carbohydrates I've tried is reducing carbohydrates I've tried is reducing carbohydrates I've never really done it for more than you never really done it for more than you never really done it for more than you know while I was fasting on water that know while I was fasting on water that know while I was fasting on water that was really the only time I ever went was really the only time I ever went was really the only time I ever went without without without carbs which I found interesting for carbs which I found interesting for carbs which I found interesting for myself like in retrospect let's talk myself like in retrospect let's talk myself like in retrospect let's talk about that for a about that for a about that for a second dirty keto you can eat a you can second dirty keto you can eat a you can second dirty keto you can eat a you can be keto and eat a ton of seed oils and be keto and eat a ton of seed oils and be keto and eat a ton of seed oils and Ultra processed crap like they'll you Ultra processed crap like they'll you Ultra processed crap like they'll you know keto ice cream or keto peanut know keto ice cream or keto peanut know keto ice cream or keto peanut butter cups or all this stuff that's Cho butter cups or all this stuff that's Cho butter cups or all this stuff that's Cho full of sugar alcohols um there's a full of sugar alcohols um there's a full of sugar alcohols um there's a difference between keto and and what difference between keto and and what difference between keto and and what saladino would call animal-based or what saladino would call animal-based or what saladino would call animal-based or what Sean Baker would call carnivore I am not Sean Baker would call carnivore I am not Sean Baker would call carnivore I am not in favor of Highly processed keto

2:25in favor of Highly processed keto in favor of Highly processed keto however there are so many people who are however there are so many people who are however there are so many people who are so metabolically disregulated keto helps so metabolically disregulated keto helps so metabolically disregulated keto helps them because keto will improve their them because keto will improve their them because keto will improve their insulin sensitivity it will improve insulin sensitivity it will improve insulin sensitivity it will improve their brain function I just read a paper their brain function I just read a paper their brain function I just read a paper there's a certain kind of te- cell uh there's a certain kind of te- cell uh there's a certain kind of te- cell uh part of your immune system that runs way part of your immune system that runs way part of your immune system that runs way better on ketones than it does on better on ketones than it does on better on ketones than it does on glucose keto is healthy in many respects glucose keto is healthy in many respects glucose keto is healthy in many respects that even if they're dipping into the that even if they're dipping into the that even if they're dipping into the ultr processed aluminum foil packaged ultr processed aluminum foil packaged ultr processed aluminum foil packaged crap just getting the excessive carbs crap just getting the excessive carbs crap just getting the excessive carbs out of their diet is going to give them out of their diet is going to give them out of their diet is going to give them a big Improvement The Next Step would be a big Improvement The Next Step would be a big Improvement The Next Step would be to go more animal-based get the seed to go more animal-based get the seed to go more animal-based get the seed oils out as well because keto is enough oils out as well because keto is enough oils out as well because keto is enough but there's one population for which um but there's one population for which um but there's one population for which um keto is really important and it's the keto is really important and it's the keto is really important and it's the anorexic keto has an anxiolytic effect

2:26anorexic keto has an anxiolytic effect anorexic keto has an anxiolytic effect that is it will reduce anxiety that's that is it will reduce anxiety that's that is it will reduce anxiety that's why Chris Palmer writes about it in his why Chris Palmer writes about it in his why Chris Palmer writes about it in his brain energy book He's a psychiatrist at brain energy book He's a psychiatrist at brain energy book He's a psychiatrist at Harvard he was not making any progress Harvard he was not making any progress Harvard he was not making any progress with a obese patient with his mental with a obese patient with his mental with a obese patient with his mental health and he said well you know at health and he said well you know at health and he said well you know at least maybe we could do something about least maybe we could do something about least maybe we could do something about the Obesity let's switch it to a the Obesity let's switch it to a the Obesity let's switch it to a ketogenic diet and we'll keep working on ketogenic diet and we'll keep working on ketogenic diet and we'll keep working on the therapy he noticed his patients who the therapy he noticed his patients who the therapy he noticed his patients who went keto got way healthier mentally and went keto got way healthier mentally and went keto got way healthier mentally and it was a reduction in their anxiety it was a reduction in their anxiety it was a reduction in their anxiety Improvement of their insulin sensitivity Improvement of their insulin sensitivity Improvement of their insulin sensitivity in their brain that he hypothesized was in their brain that he hypothesized was in their brain that he hypothesized was helping with their mental health then he helping with their mental health then he helping with their mental health then he wrote a paper with Nick norwitz uh I wrote a paper with Nick norwitz uh I wrote a paper with Nick norwitz uh I believe is at Oxford as a postto and it believe is at Oxford as a postto and it believe is at Oxford as a postto and it was on keto as an was on keto as an was on keto as an anxiolytic diet and a way of feeding anxiolytic diet and a way of feeding anxiolytic diet and a way of feeding anorexics who otherwise just aren't anorexics who otherwise just aren't anorexics who otherwise just aren't going to eat anorexia is the most

2:27going to eat anorexia is the most going to eat anorexia is the most dangerous of all the mental disorders dangerous of all the mental disorders dangerous of all the mental disorders and one of the most recalcitrant that is and one of the most recalcitrant that is and one of the most recalcitrant that is most difficult to resolve so if you got most difficult to resolve so if you got most difficult to resolve so if you got an an an anorexic whatever they're going to eat I anorexic whatever they're going to eat I anorexic whatever they're going to eat I don't care if it's keto ice cream or you don't care if it's keto ice cream or you don't care if it's keto ice cream or you know whatever the crap is and it works know whatever the crap is and it works know whatever the crap is and it works for them because it takes their anxiety for them because it takes their anxiety for them because it takes their anxiety down and they don't feel as much Shame down and they don't feel as much Shame down and they don't feel as much Shame about eating and some of their body about eating and some of their body about eating and some of their body dysmorphia softens a little bit then I dysmorphia softens a little bit then I dysmorphia softens a little bit then I love keto for most people I think it's a love keto for most people I think it's a love keto for most people I think it's a way of breaking the standard American way of breaking the standard American way of breaking the standard American [ __ ] diet of like making them more [ __ ] diet of like making them more [ __ ] diet of like making them more conscious about what they're eating and conscious about what they're eating and conscious about what they're eating and they get an immediate reduction in they get an immediate reduction in they get an immediate reduction in inflammation they can lose six pounds in inflammation they can lose six pounds in inflammation they can lose six pounds in like the first six days and they're like like the first six days and they're like like the first six days and they're like this is going great but I don't think this is going great but I don't think this is going great but I don't think that um it's a way of that um it's a way of that um it's a way of life unless you're dealing with a life unless you're dealing with a life unless you're dealing with a serious mental disorder and you find serious mental disorder and you find serious mental disorder and you find that keto is helping you stay the heck that keto is helping you stay the heck that keto is helping you stay the heck in keto otherwise I prefer cycling in

2:28in keto otherwise I prefer cycling in in keto otherwise I prefer cycling in and out and going animal-based rather and out and going animal-based rather and out and going animal-based rather than ultr processed Atkins bar type than ultr processed Atkins bar type than ultr processed Atkins bar type stuff okay yeah just to clarify when you stuff okay yeah just to clarify when you stuff okay yeah just to clarify when you say keto in general like does that mean say keto in general like does that mean say keto in general like does that mean no carbs at all or what what macro split no carbs at all or what what macro split no carbs at all or what what macro split like 10% carbs or like what are you like 10% carbs or like what are you like 10% carbs or like what are you referring to here exactly yeah depends referring to here exactly yeah depends referring to here exactly yeah depends upon the like I agree if you're doing upon the like I agree if you're doing upon the like I agree if you're doing ice bats and ice bats and ice bats and exercise sorry go ahead oh I was goingon exercise sorry go ahead oh I was goingon exercise sorry go ahead oh I was goingon to say yeah I agree with you on the the to say yeah I agree with you on the the to say yeah I agree with you on the the not like a long-term lifestyle thing um not like a long-term lifestyle thing um not like a long-term lifestyle thing um and most of the guys that I'm working and most of the guys that I'm working and most of the guys that I'm working with have specific like testosterone with have specific like testosterone with have specific like testosterone goals but when it comes to insulin goals but when it comes to insulin goals but when it comes to insulin sensitivity I've seen a lot of good sensitivity I've seen a lot of good sensitivity I've seen a lot of good stuff I really love sea Baker honestly stuff I really love sea Baker honestly stuff I really love sea Baker honestly um and what else was I gonna say um with um and what else was I gonna say um with um and what else was I gonna say um with insulin with uh yeah I mean in general insulin with uh yeah I mean in general insulin with uh yeah I mean in general lowering carbohydrates to some degree lowering carbohydrates to some degree lowering carbohydrates to some degree for a lot of people helps with a lot of for a lot of people helps with a lot of for a lot of people helps with a lot of things like even lowering your Tri your things like even lowering your Tri your things like even lowering your Tri your triglycerides and things like that so triglycerides and things like that so triglycerides and things like that so I'm not anti like you know I'm not I'm not anti like you know I'm not I'm not anti like you know I'm not saying everybody should eat like you saying everybody should eat like you saying everybody should eat like you know 60% carbs but I mean if someone is know 60% carbs but I mean if someone is know 60% carbs but I mean if someone is overeating carbs I think most people's

2:29overeating carbs I think most people's overeating carbs I think most people's problem is undereating protein as well problem is undereating protein as well problem is undereating protein as well um and that when you eat enough protein um and that when you eat enough protein um and that when you eat enough protein or you go into high protein you know or you go into high protein you know or you go into high protein you know you're going to eat less carbs just by you're going to eat less carbs just by you're going to eat less carbs just by default because they're more satiating default because they're more satiating default because they're more satiating and it's just more difficult to put down and it's just more difficult to put down and it's just more difficult to put down all those carbs or you eat more protein all those carbs or you eat more protein all those carbs or you eat more protein and then I mean a lot of a lot of things and then I mean a lot of a lot of things and then I mean a lot of a lot of things happen from eating a higher protein diet happen from eating a higher protein diet happen from eating a higher protein diet as well um and I would say I guess a lot as well um and I would say I guess a lot as well um and I would say I guess a lot of the benefit from keto could also just of the benefit from keto could also just of the benefit from keto could also just be from eating more meat in general like be from eating more meat in general like be from eating more meat in general like I said uh I would definitely be against I said uh I would definitely be against I said uh I would definitely be against dirty keto as well um you know when it dirty keto as well um you know when it dirty keto as well um you know when it comes to me in general I'm just more comes to me in general I'm just more comes to me in general I'm just more aligned with like my overall perspective aligned with like my overall perspective aligned with like my overall perspective is like eat things from nature eat like is like eat things from nature eat like is like eat things from nature eat like real meat eat real fruit eat real real meat eat real fruit eat real real meat eat real fruit eat real whatever and the you know the splits whatever and the you know the splits whatever and the you know the splits basically whether you're eating certain basically whether you're eating certain basically whether you're eating certain amounts of protein fat or carbs is amounts of protein fat or carbs is amounts of protein fat or carbs is basically just on your body composition basically just on your body composition basically just on your body composition goals or on like fixing a specific goals or on like fixing a specific goals or on like fixing a specific problem for you so if you know you have problem for you so if you know you have problem for you so if you know you have insulin sensitivity keto could or insulin sensitivity keto could or insulin sensitivity keto could or insulin resistance that's like seriously insulin resistance that's like seriously insulin resistance that's like seriously progressed then you know keto for a progressed then you know keto for a progressed then you know keto for a period of time or like carnivore for a period of time or like carnivore for a period of time or like carnivore for a period of time like only eating animal period of time like only eating animal period of time like only eating animal products could be pretty solid and I've products could be pretty solid and I've products could be pretty solid and I've recommended that to a couple people in recommended that to a couple people in recommended that to a couple people in the past but it's not as common for me

2:30the past but it's not as common for me the past but it's not as common for me to recommend because I guess people with to recommend because I guess people with to recommend because I guess people with goals um that are coming to my program goals um that are coming to my program goals um that are coming to my program don't really have those goals as much don't really have those goals as much don't really have those goals as much but there are a couple of the older guys but there are a couple of the older guys but there are a couple of the older guys guys in their 40s that need some help guys in their 40s that need some help guys in their 40s that need some help with insulin sensitivity I'm like just with insulin sensitivity I'm like just with insulin sensitivity I'm like just eat more steak eat more steak eat more eat more steak eat more steak eat more eat more steak eat more steak eat more steak eat more steak and I usually don't steak eat more steak and I usually don't steak eat more steak and I usually don't even tell them about restricting the even tell them about restricting the even tell them about restricting the carbs and they kind of just do it as a carbs and they kind of just do it as a carbs and they kind of just do it as a as a byproduct they look at their as a byproduct they look at their as a byproduct they look at their chronometers and I'm like oh they're chronometers and I'm like oh they're chronometers and I'm like oh they're eating you know 10 ounces of steak a day eating you know 10 ounces of steak a day eating you know 10 ounces of steak a day now or more and now their their carb in now or more and now their their carb in now or more and now their their carb in just it goes down anyway as a byproduct just it goes down anyway as a byproduct just it goes down anyway as a byproduct and that tends to go but I usually don't and that tends to go but I usually don't and that tends to go but I usually don't recommend less than 30% for a lot of my recommend less than 30% for a lot of my recommend less than 30% for a lot of my clients I've never had anyone who's clients I've never had anyone who's clients I've never had anyone who's needed anything like less than 30% um needed anything like less than 30% um needed anything like less than 30% um carbs usually it does the trick but um carbs usually it does the trick but um carbs usually it does the trick but um yeah interesting okay so what were you yeah interesting okay so what were you yeah interesting okay so what were you gonna say my bad to cut you off um gonna say my bad to cut you off um gonna say my bad to cut you off um depend if you get if you're doing your depend if you get if you're doing your depend if you get if you're doing your ice bass and you get your exercise you ice bass and you get your exercise you ice bass and you get your exercise you can tolerate more carbs in your diet can tolerate more carbs in your diet can tolerate more carbs in your diet because you are burning them so you know because you are burning them so you know because you are burning them so you know what is keto pee on a stick it'll tell what is keto pee on a stick it'll tell what is keto pee on a stick it'll tell you whether you have keto I almost you whether you have keto I almost you whether you have keto I almost always have Trace ketones and I think

2:31always have Trace ketones and I think always have Trace ketones and I think that's because the ice bath stimulates that's because the ice bath stimulates that's because the ice bath stimulates endogenous Ketone production even if I'm endogenous Ketone production even if I'm endogenous Ketone production even if I'm not in not in not in ketosis once you get in the ice bath you ketosis once you get in the ice bath you ketosis once you get in the ice bath you start producing ketones so I'm almost start producing ketones so I'm almost start producing ketones so I'm almost always Trace but I remember Thanksgiving always Trace but I remember Thanksgiving always Trace but I remember Thanksgiving I did a post no I eat the pumpkin pie I I did a post no I eat the pumpkin pie I I did a post no I eat the pumpkin pie I love the pump pumpkin pie and then it love the pump pumpkin pie and then it love the pump pumpkin pie and then it was a couple hours later I'm like huh I was a couple hours later I'm like huh I was a couple hours later I'm like huh I should probably ice bath some of that should probably ice bath some of that should probably ice bath some of that out I did before and after before my ice out I did before and after before my ice out I did before and after before my ice bath two hours after my ice bath and you bath two hours after my ice bath and you bath two hours after my ice bath and you could see the jump on my urine stick could see the jump on my urine stick could see the jump on my urine stick showing that I went from Trace up to showing that I went from Trace up to showing that I went from Trace up to like small or something like that the like small or something like that the like small or something like that the ice bath produces ketones or stimulates ice bath produces ketones or stimulates ice bath produces ketones or stimulates your body to produce ketones super your body to produce ketones super your body to produce ketones super interesting interesting interesting yeah I've also heard like you know from yeah I've also heard like you know from yeah I've also heard like you know from gluconeogenesis you're creating ketones gluconeogenesis you're creating ketones gluconeogenesis you're creating ketones at the same time um so like anything at the same time um so like anything at the same time um so like anything with a I did not know that that's I've with a I did not know that that's I've with a I did not know that that's I've heard I I forget where I heard that from

2:32heard I I forget where I heard that from heard I I forget where I heard that from but it was a long time ago um that yeah but it was a long time ago um that yeah but it was a long time ago um that yeah you create ketones also from you create ketones also from you create ketones also from gluconeogenesis I've heard people refer gluconeogenesis I've heard people refer gluconeogenesis I've heard people refer to the keto diet as the gluconeogenesis to the keto diet as the gluconeogenesis to the keto diet as the gluconeogenesis diet how you know you're not fully in diet how you know you're not fully in diet how you know you're not fully in ketosis where you're not consuming no ketosis where you're not consuming no ketosis where you're not consuming no calories where your body is turning only calories where your body is turning only calories where your body is turning only lean body mass into ketones and glucose lean body mass into ketones and glucose lean body mass into ketones and glucose but also you know the the but also you know the the but also you know the the gluconeogenesis is the process you know gluconeogenesis is the process you know gluconeogenesis is the process you know you know you know you know so that's really good ketones as so that's really good ketones as so that's really good ketones as well um I don't know the specific well um I don't know the specific well um I don't know the specific mechanism but that's something I mechanism but that's something I mechanism but that's something I heard well um do you have anything else heard well um do you have anything else heard well um do you have anything else we could do one more and then yeah we could do one more and then yeah we could do one more and then yeah probably wrap up and go back to my book probably wrap up and go back to my book probably wrap up and go back to my book yeah the only thing that I wanted to yeah the only thing that I wanted to yeah the only thing that I wanted to discuss with you is your book and then discuss with you is your book and then discuss with you is your book and then uh then we're good that's the last topic uh then we're good that's the last topic uh then we're good that's the last topic so um I just so um I just so um I just want wait go ahead what were you gonna want wait go ahead what were you gonna want wait go ahead what were you gonna say I'm about halfway through this book say I'm about halfway through this book say I'm about halfway through this book um it's called uncommon cold the science um it's called uncommon cold the science um it's called uncommon cold the science and experience of deliberate cold and experience of deliberate cold and experience of deliberate cold exposure and it's a compilation of all exposure and it's a compilation of all exposure and it's a compilation of all these articles that I've been putting up these articles that I've been putting up these articles that I've been putting up on morasco Forge and some of the stories

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