00:00[Music] all right bro all right bro what's happening rhonda hey very good to what's happening rhonda hey very good to what's happening rhonda hey very good to see you good to see you it's been a year see you good to see you it's been a year see you good to see you it's been a year it has been it's been quite a while yeah it has been it's been quite a while yeah it has been it's been quite a while yeah and uh you were just telling me that and uh you were just telling me that and uh you were just telling me that you're 13 days into keto i am you're 13 days into keto i am you're 13 days into keto i am how you feeling well how you feeling well how you feeling well let's start off with well why did i even let's start off with well why did i even let's start off with well why did i even want to do keto why now i mean like this want to do keto why now i mean like this want to do keto why now i mean like this has been has been has been how many years that it's been trendy how many years that it's been trendy how many years that it's been trendy it's been like lots of benefits and it's it's been like lots of benefits and it's it's been like lots of benefits and it's like why did i start trying it out now like why did i start trying it out now like why did i start trying it out now well um well um well um i've noticed that when i i've noticed that when i i've noticed that when i am in a fasted state so when i'm in am in a fasted state so when i'm in am in a fasted state so when i'm in ketosis when i'm you know burning fatty ketosis when i'm you know burning fatty ketosis when i'm you know burning fatty acids and making keto bodies and using acids and making keto bodies and using acids and making keto bodies and using them as energy them as energy them as energy i'm like on top of my mental game i'm like on top of my mental game i'm like on top of my mental game so i've been doing like when i have any so i've been doing like when i have any so i've been doing like when i have any sort of like podcast interviews i'm sort of like podcast interviews i'm sort of like podcast interviews i'm doing or whatever you know i'm always
01:00doing or whatever you know i'm always doing or whatever you know i'm always trying to do them fast like i'm fasted trying to do them fast like i'm fasted trying to do them fast like i'm fasted right now right now right now um um um and so i thought to myself like is this and so i thought to myself like is this and so i thought to myself like is this something that could be something that could be something that could be mimicked by a ketogenic diet like it's mimicked by a ketogenic diet like it's mimicked by a ketogenic diet like it's very noticeable for me where i can stay very noticeable for me where i can stay very noticeable for me where i can stay focused um i have more endurance so like focused um i have more endurance so like focused um i have more endurance so like i don't like i don't like i don't like you know crap out like like more mental you know crap out like like more mental you know crap out like like more mental endurance mental injury sorry yeah more endurance mental injury sorry yeah more endurance mental injury sorry yeah more more mental endurance more mental endurance more mental endurance so um so um so um so i decided to try it out and i i so i decided to try it out and i i so i decided to try it out and i i recently had a neuroscientist on the recently had a neuroscientist on the recently had a neuroscientist on the podcast dr mark matson have you heard of podcast dr mark matson have you heard of podcast dr mark matson have you heard of him no he's like him no he's like him no he's like legendary i mean he's probably one of legendary i mean he's probably one of legendary i mean he's probably one of the most cited neuroscientists but he's the most cited neuroscientists but he's the most cited neuroscientists but he's most well known for his most well known for his most well known for his intermittent fasting studies like the 5 intermittent fasting studies like the 5 intermittent fasting studies like the 5 2 interm intermittent fasting stuff came 2 interm intermittent fasting stuff came 2 interm intermittent fasting stuff came out of his lab he's also sort of the out of his lab he's also sort of the out of his lab he's also sort of the father of hormesis and like father of hormesis and like father of hormesis and like like why you know humans sort of adapted like why you know humans sort of adapted like why you know humans sort of adapted to being a stressful environment and how to being a stressful environment and how to being a stressful environment and how you know you know you know all these stress response pathways that all these stress response pathways that all these stress response pathways that happen you know as a response to that happen you know as a response to that happen you know as a response to that are beneficial but anyways
02:00are beneficial but anyways are beneficial but anyways so he was um talking about so he was um talking about so he was um talking about like when you're in a fasted state when like when you're in a fasted state when like when you're in a fasted state when you haven't eaten you haven't eaten you haven't eaten how your nervous system has sort of how your nervous system has sort of how your nervous system has sort of evolved evolved evolved to to to become like more focused more alert and become like more focused more alert and become like more focused more alert and that's adaptive because if you can't that's adaptive because if you can't that's adaptive because if you can't find food you have to be like alert in find food you have to be like alert in find food you have to be like alert in order to like eat or else you'll die order to like eat or else you'll die order to like eat or else you'll die so um so um so he's talking about like one of the so he's talking about like one of the so he's talking about like one of the main things that happens is this main things that happens is this main things that happens is this metabolic switch metabolic switch metabolic switch which is what he calls but um so you do which is what he calls but um so you do which is what he calls but um so you do switch from burning glucose you know as switch from burning glucose you know as switch from burning glucose you know as a source of energy a source of energy a source of energy to basically to basically to basically you know fatty acids are immobilized you know fatty acids are immobilized you know fatty acids are immobilized from your adipose tissue and go to your from your adipose tissue and go to your from your adipose tissue and go to your liver and you start to like oxidize them liver and you start to like oxidize them liver and you start to like oxidize them and use them from energy and then you and use them from energy and then you and use them from energy and then you make something called ketone bodies as make something called ketone bodies as make something called ketone bodies as as a byproduct beta hydroxybutyrate as a byproduct beta hydroxybutyrate as a byproduct beta hydroxybutyrate acetoacetate acetoacetate acetoacetate and and and most people think about these well this most people think about these well this most people think about these well this is an alternative source of energy it is an alternative source of energy it is an alternative source of energy it crosses the blood-brain barrier it you crosses the blood-brain barrier it you crosses the blood-brain barrier it you know is easily know is easily know is easily used by um you know neurons and other
03:00used by um you know neurons and other used by um you know neurons and other cells as well but it's cells as well but it's cells as well but it's it's actually an energetically favorable it's actually an energetically favorable it's actually an energetically favorable source of energy so it actually requires source of energy so it actually requires source of energy so it actually requires energy to use glucose as energy to make energy to use glucose as energy to make energy to use glucose as energy to make energy from glucose requires energy but energy from glucose requires energy but energy from glucose requires energy but beta-hydroxybutyrate beta-hydroxybutyrate beta-hydroxybutyrate that doesn't happen like it goes into that doesn't happen like it goes into that doesn't happen like it goes into the mitochondria and it's used without the mitochondria and it's used without the mitochondria and it's used without that energy requirement that energy requirement that energy requirement so so so you can explain how that works like you can explain how that works like you can explain how that works like that you use energy to use glucose yeah that you use energy to use glucose yeah that you use energy to use glucose yeah so glucose gets broken down into so glucose gets broken down into so glucose gets broken down into something called pyruvate something called pyruvate something called pyruvate and pyruvate so it takes energy to do and pyruvate so it takes energy to do and pyruvate so it takes energy to do that and then pyruvate has to be that and then pyruvate has to be that and then pyruvate has to be transported into the mitochondria transported into the mitochondria transported into the mitochondria through a like active transport through a like active transport through a like active transport mechanism and that requires energy to do mechanism and that requires energy to do mechanism and that requires energy to do that once it gets into the pyruvate gets that once it gets into the pyruvate gets that once it gets into the pyruvate gets into the mitochondria it's then used into the mitochondria it's then used into the mitochondria it's then used through what's called the tca cycle to through what's called the tca cycle to through what's called the tca cycle to make energy make energy make energy um um acetyl so beta hydroxybutyrate gets acetyl so beta hydroxybutyrate gets acetyl so beta hydroxybutyrate gets converted into acetyl-coa and converted into acetyl-coa and converted into acetyl-coa and beta-hydroxybutyrate can just go in beta-hydroxybutyrate can just go in beta-hydroxybutyrate can just go in without like this active transport without like this active transport without like this active transport mechanism mechanism mechanism so you're not requiring that energy to so you're not requiring that energy to so you're not requiring that energy to transport it in does that make sense so
04:00transport it in does that make sense so transport it in does that make sense so you're making energy you're making energy you're making energy but you're not using as much energy to but you're not using as much energy to but you're not using as much energy to make that energy so make that energy so make that energy so um um that's kind of like what you know most that's kind of like what you know most that's kind of like what you know most people are thinking about is this this people are thinking about is this this people are thinking about is this this sort of metabolic switch that happens sort of metabolic switch that happens sort of metabolic switch that happens and you can imagine most people never do and you can imagine most people never do and you can imagine most people never do that like i i typically that like i i typically that like i i typically i was you know doing i do a lot of time i was you know doing i do a lot of time i was you know doing i do a lot of time restricted eating where i'll eat my food restricted eating where i'll eat my food restricted eating where i'll eat my food anywhere between eight to ten hours and anywhere between eight to ten hours and anywhere between eight to ten hours and then i'm fasting anywhere between like then i'm fasting anywhere between like then i'm fasting anywhere between like 14 to 16 hours a day 14 to 16 hours a day 14 to 16 hours a day and in order to actually go into this and in order to actually go into this and in order to actually go into this metabolic switch you have to deplete all metabolic switch you have to deplete all metabolic switch you have to deplete all of your glycogen levels in your liver of your glycogen levels in your liver of your glycogen levels in your liver and muscle and muscle and muscle and that usually takes anywhere between and that usually takes anywhere between and that usually takes anywhere between 13 to 36 hours depending on the person's 13 to 36 hours depending on the person's 13 to 36 hours depending on the person's carbohydrate intake on their physical carbohydrate intake on their physical carbohydrate intake on their physical activity activity activity and so and so and so you know most people never get that you know most people never get that you know most people never get that metabolic switch most people are just metabolic switch most people are just metabolic switch most people are just constantly burning constantly burning constantly burning using glucose and then when you're doing using glucose and then when you're doing using glucose and then when you're doing that any fat that you're taking in gets that any fat that you're taking in gets that any fat that you're taking in gets stored as triglycerides in adipose stored as triglycerides in adipose stored as triglycerides in adipose tissue so they're always in this like tissue so they're always in this like tissue so they're always in this like fat storage fat storage fat storage state instead of a fat burning state
05:00state instead of a fat burning state state instead of a fat burning state right right right and so um because most people eating and so um because most people eating and so um because most people eating three meals a day and three meals a day and three meals a day and plus snacks plus snacks plus snacks uh you just you never get there uh you just you never get there uh you just you never get there so so um with the with the you know my you um with the with the you know my you um with the with the you know my you know anywhere between 14 to 16 hours know anywhere between 14 to 16 hours know anywhere between 14 to 16 hours that's what i typically was doing i'd that's what i typically was doing i'd that's what i typically was doing i'd noticed that like i was really noticed that like i was really noticed that like i was really mentally sharp mentally sharp mentally sharp and so as i extended that out a little and so as i extended that out a little and so as i extended that out a little bit it was like really clear to me that bit it was like really clear to me that bit it was like really clear to me that like not eating like not eating like not eating was like good for my brain in terms of was like good for my brain in terms of was like good for my brain in terms of like like i felt smarter i felt like i like like i felt smarter i felt like i like like i felt smarter i felt like i could focus more it was it was could focus more it was it was could focus more it was it was noticeable like like a nootropic effect noticeable like like a nootropic effect noticeable like like a nootropic effect right right and so um and so um and so um one of the other things that's probably one of the other things that's probably one of the other things that's probably less well-known about less well-known about less well-known about beta-hydroxybutyrate which is one of the beta-hydroxybutyrate which is one of the beta-hydroxybutyrate which is one of the major circulating ketones you do make major circulating ketones you do make major circulating ketones you do make when you're in ketosis when you're in ketosis when you're in ketosis is that it is actually a signaling is that it is actually a signaling is that it is actually a signaling molecule and this was shown by dr eric molecule and this was shown by dr eric molecule and this was shown by dr eric verdin he's he runs the bucks buck verdin he's he runs the bucks buck verdin he's he runs the bucks buck institute for aging in nevada california institute for aging in nevada california institute for aging in nevada california he showed back when he was at ucsf he showed back when he was at ucsf he showed back when he was at ucsf that
06:00that that beta hydroxybutyrate activates beta hydroxybutyrate activates beta hydroxybutyrate activates many different genes one of them many different genes one of them many different genes one of them including brain-derived neurotrophic including brain-derived neurotrophic including brain-derived neurotrophic factor bdnf which i know we've talked factor bdnf which i know we've talked factor bdnf which i know we've talked about before in the podcast about before in the podcast about before in the podcast but that's something that is critical but that's something that is critical but that's something that is critical for for for you know forming new synapses and for you know forming new synapses and for you know forming new synapses and for learning and memory i mean there's learning and memory i mean there's learning and memory i mean there's there's all sorts of things that it does there's all sorts of things that it does there's all sorts of things that it does but but but beta-hydroxybutyrate's activating that beta-hydroxybutyrate's activating that beta-hydroxybutyrate's activating that like it's not just something that's like it's not just something that's like it's not just something that's being used as energy being used as energy being used as energy like it's like it's like it's like changing gene expression like changing gene expression like changing gene expression um um so so so that got me really interested it's so that got me really interested it's so that got me really interested it's like wow this is something that like like wow this is something that like like wow this is something that like could be possibly also activating bdnf could be possibly also activating bdnf could be possibly also activating bdnf maybe that's partly why i mean maybe that's partly why i mean maybe that's partly why i mean it's a hypothesis but you know it seems it's a hypothesis but you know it seems it's a hypothesis but you know it seems it seems like something that people it seems like something that people it seems like something that people could test and seems kind of could test and seems kind of could test and seems kind of you know it makes sense right mm-hmm and you know it makes sense right mm-hmm and you know it makes sense right mm-hmm and so uh so that was something that i was so uh so that was something that i was so uh so that was something that i was like wow what if i could do so i so i like wow what if i could do so i so i like wow what if i could do so i so i asked dr matson i was like what you know asked dr matson i was like what you know asked dr matson i was like what you know there's lots of you know differences there's lots of you know differences there's lots of you know differences between being in a fasted induced between being in a fasted induced between being in a fasted induced ketosis and a ketogenic diet but there's ketosis and a ketogenic diet but there's ketosis and a ketogenic diet but there's also a lot of similarities and the
07:00also a lot of similarities and the also a lot of similarities and the similarities are one you're making lots similarities are one you're making lots similarities are one you're making lots of beta hydroxybutyrate if you do the of beta hydroxybutyrate if you do the of beta hydroxybutyrate if you do the ketogenic diet right we can talk about ketogenic diet right we can talk about ketogenic diet right we can talk about that but um that but um that but um and so i was like wow maybe and then the and so i was like wow maybe and then the and so i was like wow maybe and then the other thing that's that overlaps between other thing that's that overlaps between other thing that's that overlaps between the two is that you produce a lot of the two is that you produce a lot of the two is that you produce a lot of gaba gaba is the the neurotransmitter gaba gaba is the the neurotransmitter gaba gaba is the the neurotransmitter that's typically more of an inhibitory that's typically more of an inhibitory that's typically more of an inhibitory type of neurotransmitter um i'm i'm sure type of neurotransmitter um i'm i'm sure type of neurotransmitter um i'm i'm sure uh dr dom dagasi has talked about this i uh dr dom dagasi has talked about this i uh dr dom dagasi has talked about this i think i even remember him talking about think i even remember him talking about think i even remember him talking about it before um it before um it before um that that gaba is increased on both you that that gaba is increased on both you that that gaba is increased on both you know ketogenic diet and when you're in know ketogenic diet and when you're in know ketogenic diet and when you're in like a fasting induced ketosis like a fasting induced ketosis like a fasting induced ketosis and gaba is um you know it kind of has and gaba is um you know it kind of has and gaba is um you know it kind of has an anxiolytic effect so like helps calm an anxiolytic effect so like helps calm an anxiolytic effect so like helps calm you a little bit but also seems to you a little bit but also seems to you a little bit but also seems to affect and this is what you know some affect and this is what you know some affect and this is what you know some researchers think the reason why a researchers think the reason why a researchers think the reason why a ketogenic diet is so beneficial for ketogenic diet is so beneficial for ketogenic diet is so beneficial for like drug resistant epilepsy is through like drug resistant epilepsy is through like drug resistant epilepsy is through gaba because it quiets down gaba because it quiets down gaba because it quiets down the neurons that have been excited the neurons that have been excited the neurons that have been excited through glutamate so like right now through glutamate so like right now through glutamate so like right now we're like having an intellectual
08:00we're like having an intellectual we're like having an intellectual discussion and we're like engaged discussion and we're like engaged discussion and we're like engaged intellectually engaged and so intellectually engaged and so intellectually engaged and so glutamate's being fired right glutamate's being fired right glutamate's being fired right and um and um and um it can do a lot of damage like glutamine it can do a lot of damage like glutamine it can do a lot of damage like glutamine having this like constant electrical having this like constant electrical having this like constant electrical activity like very stimulating you need activity like very stimulating you need activity like very stimulating you need something like if you didn't have gaba something like if you didn't have gaba something like if you didn't have gaba you'd fry your brain like without it you'd fry your brain like without it you'd fry your brain like without it like with too much glutamate so it can like with too much glutamate so it can like with too much glutamate so it can cause something called excitotoxicity cause something called excitotoxicity cause something called excitotoxicity and so gaba kind of counters that and um and so gaba kind of counters that and um and so gaba kind of counters that and um so anyways so anyways so anyways some of the things that i'm noticing now some of the things that i'm noticing now some of the things that i'm noticing now that i've been on that i've been on that i've been on day 12 or 13. day 12 or 13. day 12 or 13. um for one um for one um for one it's been incredibly hard so i've been it's been incredibly hard so i've been it's been incredibly hard so i've been measuring my ketone my beta hydroxy measuring my ketone my beta hydroxy measuring my ketone my beta hydroxy butyrate levels daily sometimes more butyrate levels daily sometimes more butyrate levels daily sometimes more than you know once a day of course than you know once a day of course than you know once a day of course and and to be in like to be in like to be in like mild ketosis you know like like mild ketosis you know like like mild ketosis you know like like legitimately mild ketosis like legitimately mild ketosis like legitimately mild ketosis like i think you know you want to be i think you know you want to be i think you know you want to be somewhere between like somewhere between like somewhere between like 0.9 0.9 and 0.9 0.9 and 0.9 0.9 and um like 1.2 i mean that's like um like 1.2 i mean that's like um like 1.2 i mean that's like mild or moderate mild to moderate
09:00mild or moderate mild to moderate mild or moderate mild to moderate and and i can't tell you how difficult it's been i can't tell you how difficult it's been i can't tell you how difficult it's been for me to first get to that point for me to first get to that point for me to first get to that point uh it took several days and it's like uh it took several days and it's like uh it took several days and it's like i think people i think people i think people probably like 90 to 98 of people that probably like 90 to 98 of people that probably like 90 to 98 of people that are think they're doing a ketogenic diet are think they're doing a ketogenic diet are think they're doing a ketogenic diet they're not because really i think so they're not because really i think so they're not because really i think so yes because it's not just enough yes because it's not just enough yes because it's not just enough to do carb restriction to do carb restriction to do carb restriction and like you need a lot of fat like you and like you need a lot of fat like you and like you need a lot of fat like you need especially in the beginning like if need especially in the beginning like if need especially in the beginning like if your body like me your body like me your body like me so i've always you know for the most so i've always you know for the most so i've always you know for the most part my diet has been part my diet has been part my diet has been what you would call paleo-ish you know i what you would call paleo-ish you know i what you would call paleo-ish you know i would you know like would you know like would you know like i would have my protein and vegetables i would have my protein and vegetables i would have my protein and vegetables and i and i and i generally speaking avoid avoid like the generally speaking avoid avoid like the generally speaking avoid avoid like the refined stuff refined carbohydrates refined stuff refined carbohydrates refined stuff refined carbohydrates refined sugars right refined sugars right refined sugars right but i do eat vegetables which are but i do eat vegetables which are but i do eat vegetables which are carbohydrates and i also eat some fruits carbohydrates and i also eat some fruits carbohydrates and i also eat some fruits um um and so and so my body's used to like metabolizing the my body's used to like metabolizing the my body's used to like metabolizing the glucose and doing that whole pathway you glucose and doing that whole pathway you glucose and doing that whole pathway you know we were talking about like from know we were talking about like from know we were talking about like from carbohydrates
10:00carbohydrates carbohydrates and and the fat that i'm getting mostly probably the fat that i'm getting mostly probably the fat that i'm getting mostly probably is being being stored honestly as is being being stored honestly as is being being stored honestly as triglycerides but triglycerides but triglycerides but um um it takes a while for your body to switch it takes a while for your body to switch it takes a while for your body to switch to that to that to that and and i was surprised how long because i i was surprised how long because i i was surprised how long because i thought well i don't need all the thought well i don't need all the thought well i don't need all the refined stuff so it should be easy it's refined stuff so it should be easy it's refined stuff so it should be easy it's just a little just a little just a little like it has been a huge challenge and like it has been a huge challenge and like it has been a huge challenge and you read about all these foods that are you read about all these foods that are you read about all these foods that are like okay vegetables that are keto like okay vegetables that are keto like okay vegetables that are keto friendly you know like cauliflower friendly you know like cauliflower friendly you know like cauliflower or brussels sprouts or a little bit of or brussels sprouts or a little bit of or brussels sprouts or a little bit of spinach or like i will eat like just a spinach or like i will eat like just a spinach or like i will eat like just a little bit of sauteed spinach and it'll little bit of sauteed spinach and it'll little bit of sauteed spinach and it'll take me for i will be in like 1.2 take me for i will be in like 1.2 take me for i will be in like 1.2 millimolar and it'll take me down to millimolar and it'll take me down to millimolar and it'll take me down to like 0.7 like 0.7 like 0.7 um um you know so it'll kick me out just a you know so it'll kick me out just a you know so it'll kick me out just a little bit of something and if i'm not little bit of something and if i'm not little bit of something and if i'm not eating enough fat like i can't even like eating enough fat like i can't even like eating enough fat like i can't even like get so i finally was able to now like get so i finally was able to now like get so i finally was able to now like doing doing doing like butter in my coffee and i'm just like butter in my coffee and i'm just like butter in my coffee and i'm just like trying to get like olive oil and like trying to get like olive oil and like trying to get like olive oil and everything and mct oil in my coffee and everything and mct oil in my coffee and everything and mct oil in my coffee and just like lots and lots of fat when i just like lots and lots of fat when i just like lots and lots of fat when i started doing that i was able to get up
11:00started doing that i was able to get up started doing that i was able to get up to like 2.2 millimolar which is like to like 2.2 millimolar which is like to like 2.2 millimolar which is like good ketosis good ketosis good ketosis and um and um and then like i you know like i came and then like i you know like i came and then like i you know like i came here traveling is really hard i ordered here traveling is really hard i ordered here traveling is really hard i ordered you know i ordered some like i had a you know i ordered some like i had a you know i ordered some like i had a steak and then there was some kind of steak and then there was some kind of steak and then there was some kind of cauliflower mash with like cheese and cauliflower mash with like cheese and cauliflower mash with like cheese and bacon and bacon and bacon and that kicked me down to like zero point that kicked me down to like zero point that kicked me down to like zero point four like i was so upset four like i was so upset four like i was so upset check my so it's just the cauliflower or check my so it's just the cauliflower or check my so it's just the cauliflower or the carbohydrate and the lack of not the carbohydrate and the lack of not the carbohydrate and the lack of not having as much oil i think like so like having as much oil i think like so like having as much oil i think like so like i have the protein so you can convert so i have the protein so you can convert so i have the protein so you can convert so the thing like there are what's called the thing like there are what's called the thing like there are what's called glucogenic amino acids and um glucogenic amino acids and um glucogenic amino acids and um those can be converted into those can be converted into those can be converted into glucose glucose glucose your body has a way you you need you your body has a way you you need you your body has a way you you need you need glucose like you can't like need glucose like you can't like need glucose like you can't like your red blood cells don't have your red blood cells don't have your red blood cells don't have mitochondria the only source of energy mitochondria the only source of energy mitochondria the only source of energy they can use is from glucose your brain they can use is from glucose your brain they can use is from glucose your brain you know your astrocytes and their you know your astrocytes and their you know your astrocytes and their supporting cells in your brain are supporting cells in your brain are supporting cells in your brain are mostly glycolytic they mostly use mostly glycolytic they mostly use mostly glycolytic they mostly use glucose you need you need glucose so glucose you need you need glucose so glucose you need you need glucose so your body has mechanisms to make it you your body has mechanisms to make it you your body has mechanisms to make it you know you're know you're know you're you can make it from these you can make it from these you can make it from these glucogeneogenic amino acids which are in glucogeneogenic amino acids which are in glucogeneogenic amino acids which are in protein
12:00protein protein or you can make it from glycerol which or you can make it from glycerol which or you can make it from glycerol which is like the background of a triglyceride is like the background of a triglyceride is like the background of a triglyceride but but you know i think you know i think you know i think once you become adapted and this is once you become adapted and this is once you become adapted and this is something that i know like dr dagostino something that i know like dr dagostino something that i know like dr dagostino has talked about a lot has talked about a lot has talked about a lot where he's got more of like a modified where he's got more of like a modified where he's got more of like a modified ketogenic diet but he's been in it for ketogenic diet but he's been in it for ketogenic diet but he's been in it for like years you know he's like done a like years you know he's like done a like years you know he's like done a ketogenic diet for like years ketogenic diet for like years ketogenic diet for like years and like and like and like he can eat something that it's like a he can eat something that it's like a he can eat something that it's like a lot more like you can have the protein lot more like you can have the protein lot more like you can have the protein and the and the like keto friendly and the and the like keto friendly and the and the like keto friendly carbohydrates like the leafy greens you carbohydrates like the leafy greens you carbohydrates like the leafy greens you know that are know that are know that are not like super carb and it won't kick not like super carb and it won't kick not like super carb and it won't kick him out yeah he seems because he's like him out yeah he seems because he's like him out yeah he seems because he's like adapted adapted adapted but but you know you read all these recipes like you know you read all these recipes like you know you read all these recipes like i'm going online i'm trying to do keto i'm going online i'm trying to do keto i'm going online i'm trying to do keto recipes and all this and it's like none recipes and all this and it's like none recipes and all this and it's like none of them work none of them work all the of them work none of them work all the of them work none of them work all the stuff that you like find in the store stuff that you like find in the store stuff that you like find in the store that says keto on it totally not totally that says keto on it totally not totally that says keto on it totally not totally not like really oh yeah because they not like really oh yeah because they not like really oh yeah because they have too much carbohydrates and not have too much carbohydrates and not have too much carbohydrates and not enough fat enough fat enough fat it's like and then they do this thing it's like and then they do this thing it's like and then they do this thing with this net carb the net carb you know with this net carb the net carb you know with this net carb the net carb you know fiber fiber fiber i'm telling you like if people were to i'm telling you like if people were to i'm telling you like if people were to measure measure measure their blood levels of beta their blood levels of beta their blood levels of beta hydroxybutyrate they would they would
13:00hydroxybutyrate they would they would hydroxybutyrate they would they would know like this what is the best way to know like this what is the best way to know like this what is the best way to do that is the best way to do it through do that is the best way to do it through do that is the best way to do it through ketone strips is the best way to do it ketone strips is the best way to do it ketone strips is the best way to do it through like a breathalyzer type deal through like a breathalyzer type deal through like a breathalyzer type deal i personally always think blood is the i personally always think blood is the i personally always think blood is the best i'm not an expert i'm like i best i'm not an expert i'm like i best i'm not an expert i'm like i haven't actually done a deep dive on all haven't actually done a deep dive on all haven't actually done a deep dive on all the different methods the different methods the different methods personally i personally i personally i you know i like like if you're measuring you know i like like if you're measuring you know i like like if you're measuring glucose for example like blood is more glucose for example like blood is more glucose for example like blood is more accurate than like interstitial fluid accurate than like interstitial fluid accurate than like interstitial fluid area like so area like so area like so i like to use this you know precision i like to use this you know precision i like to use this you know precision precision extra that you can get and you precision extra that you can get and you precision extra that you can get and you can get these ketones ketone strips can get these ketones ketone strips can get these ketones ketone strips um and they're they're actually a lot um and they're they're actually a lot um and they're they're actually a lot cheaper than they were like a few years cheaper than they were like a few years cheaper than they were like a few years ago they used to be really expensive ago they used to be really expensive ago they used to be really expensive and i just i do that um and i think and i just i do that um and i think and i just i do that um and i think that's the way i prefer i mean maybe that's the way i prefer i mean maybe that's the way i prefer i mean maybe there's some there's some there's some accuracy in some of the other ones but i accuracy in some of the other ones but i accuracy in some of the other ones but i don't really know honestly don't really know honestly don't really know honestly is there any um benefit to using is there any um benefit to using is there any um benefit to using exogenous ketones exogenous ketones exogenous ketones so um i'll tell you what i think the benefit i'll tell you what i think the benefit i'll tell you what i think the benefit is it's probably not not something is it's probably not not something is it's probably not not something you're going to expect so i've tried you're going to expect so i've tried you're going to expect so i've tried exogenous ketones many times beta exogenous ketones many times beta
14:00exogenous ketones many times beta hydroxybutyrate ester the salts are like hydroxybutyrate ester the salts are like hydroxybutyrate ester the salts are like the salt's like i'm sure like dr the salt's like i'm sure like dr the salt's like i'm sure like dr dagasina has talked about that as well dagasina has talked about that as well dagasina has talked about that as well like they don't really like they don't really like they don't really they don't work as well like in terms of they don't work as well like in terms of they don't work as well like in terms of like actually raising you up to a like actually raising you up to a like actually raising you up to a millimolar level in terms of so what is millimolar level in terms of so what is millimolar level in terms of so what is the difference in the actual name of the the difference in the actual name of the the difference in the actual name of the cut like the supplements like the salt cut like the supplements like the salt cut like the supplements like the salt salts will be like a salty powder thing salts will be like a salty powder thing salts will be like a salty powder thing that you like add and the ketone ester that you like add and the ketone ester that you like add and the ketone ester will be a liquid okay it'll be a liquid will be a liquid okay it'll be a liquid will be a liquid okay it'll be a liquid and liquid is more effective than the and liquid is more effective than the and liquid is more effective than the salt salts are not very effective at all salt salts are not very effective at all salt salts are not very effective at all not very much at all and plus they like not very much at all and plus they like not very much at all and plus they like can give you gi distress and stuff and a can give you gi distress and stuff and a can give you gi distress and stuff and a lot of them have a lot of either sodium lot of them have a lot of either sodium lot of them have a lot of either sodium or calcium depending on what it's or calcium depending on what it's or calcium depending on what it's complex to but complex to but complex to but so um so um one of the things that's interesting one of the things that's interesting one of the things that's interesting about the about the about the beta hydroxybutyrate exogenous ketone beta hydroxybutyrate exogenous ketone beta hydroxybutyrate exogenous ketone esters and i've tried a different a few esters and i've tried a different a few esters and i've tried a different a few different brands they all pretty work different brands they all pretty work different brands they all pretty work pretty well um pretty well um pretty well um they'll raise you up like if you if you they'll raise you up like if you if you they'll raise you up like if you if you for example if you drink like the whole for example if you drink like the whole for example if you drink like the whole serving most of them are like 30 ml serving most of them are like 30 ml serving most of them are like 30 ml they can take you from zero to like 3.3 they can take you from zero to like 3.3 they can take you from zero to like 3.3 millimolar like that i mean millimolar like that i mean millimolar like that i mean like ketosis that i haven't been able to like ketosis that i haven't been able to like ketosis that i haven't been able to achieve yet from 12 or 13 days of a
15:00achieve yet from 12 or 13 days of a achieve yet from 12 or 13 days of a ketogenic diet ketogenic diet ketogenic diet and so um and so um you can experience some of the like you can experience some of the like you can experience some of the like effects effects effects but it also has the effect of lowering but it also has the effect of lowering but it also has the effect of lowering your blood glucose at the same time and your blood glucose at the same time and your blood glucose at the same time and it's like this is something that it's like this is something that it's like this is something that researchers are actually looking into researchers are actually looking into researchers are actually looking into like oh this could potentially help like oh this could potentially help like oh this could potentially help people that can't regulate their blood people that can't regulate their blood people that can't regulate their blood sugar levels you know and this is only sugar levels you know and this is only sugar levels you know and this is only through exogenous this is yeah ketones through exogenous this is yeah ketones through exogenous this is yeah ketones the exogenous ketone esters yes the exogenous ketone esters yes the exogenous ketone esters yes lowers your blood glucose dramatically lowers your blood glucose dramatically lowers your blood glucose dramatically wow but the the problem with that is wow but the the problem with that is wow but the the problem with that is they're very short-lived they're very they're very short-lived they're very they're very short-lived they're very transient transient transient so like every time i've done it like so like every time i've done it like so like every time i've done it like they wear off like two hours max two they wear off like two hours max two they wear off like two hours max two hours max the problem is your blood hours max the problem is your blood hours max the problem is your blood glucose is also dramatically lower and glucose is also dramatically lower and glucose is also dramatically lower and if you don't eat if you don't eat if you don't eat if you don't like replenish that like if you don't like replenish that like if you don't like replenish that like you can crash hard like you can crash you can crash hard like you can crash you can crash hard like you can crash hard because you have no beta hard because you have no beta hard because you have no beta hydroxybutyrate around as the energy hydroxybutyrate around as the energy hydroxybutyrate around as the energy source now whereas you're in ketosis source now whereas you're in ketosis source now whereas you're in ketosis actual ketosis your blood sugar levels actual ketosis your blood sugar levels actual ketosis your blood sugar levels are lower are lower are lower but but you're making beta hydroxybutyrate right
16:00you're making beta hydroxybutyrate right you're making beta hydroxybutyrate right would there be a benefit to do that like would there be a benefit to do that like would there be a benefit to do that like say if you were going to do something say if you were going to do something say if you were going to do something that was like mentally taxing if you're that was like mentally taxing if you're that was like mentally taxing if you're going to take a test or something like going to take a test or something like going to take a test or something like that would you would there be a benefit that would you would there be a benefit that would you would there be a benefit in taking exogenous ketones so i have in taking exogenous ketones so i have in taking exogenous ketones so i have i used to kind of use them that way uh i used to kind of use them that way uh i used to kind of use them that way uh but again if you don't it's short-lived but again if you don't it's short-lived but again if you don't it's short-lived and you take it with some sort of and you take it with some sort of and you take it with some sort of glucose i used to take it with glucose i used to take it with glucose i used to take it with carbohydrates yeah like fruits like carbohydrates yeah like fruits like carbohydrates yeah like fruits like oatmeal or fruit exactly oatmeal or fruit exactly oatmeal or fruit exactly um um but even that like you know your blood but even that like you know your blood but even that like you know your blood glucose will peak and then two hours glucose will peak and then two hours glucose will peak and then two hours later it's going to go back down so you later it's going to go back down so you later it's going to go back down so you still need to like keep that source still need to like keep that source still need to like keep that source going going going um so and i and i noticed that like um so and i and i noticed that like um so and i and i noticed that like several times it was like oh this is several times it was like oh this is several times it was like oh this is good for a very really the peak of it good for a very really the peak of it good for a very really the peak of it was like was like was like an hour and is there when you take these an hour and is there when you take these an hour and is there when you take these um ketone esters is there a number of um ketone esters is there a number of um ketone esters is there a number of them like is there a amount you can take them like is there a amount you can take them like is there a amount you can take in a day the amount of times you can in a day the amount of times you can in a day the amount of times you can take it in a day can you only do it once take it in a day can you only do it once take it in a day can you only do it once like people i mean some of these like people i mean some of these like people i mean some of these companies that make them claim you can companies that make them claim you can companies that make them claim you can do it more than once a day i know people do it more than once a day i know people do it more than once a day i know people that do it that do it that do it personally i think the benefit of the personally i think the benefit of the personally i think the benefit of the ketone ester is and i'll tell you what
17:00ketone ester is and i'll tell you what ketone ester is and i'll tell you what i've used it for i've used it for i've used it for i tried the mental stuff but i tried the mental stuff but i tried the mental stuff but so um getting so um getting so um getting someone who you think will benefit from someone who you think will benefit from someone who you think will benefit from ketosis from a ketogenic diet ketosis from a ketogenic diet ketosis from a ketogenic diet getting them to do it like this diet is getting them to do it like this diet is getting them to do it like this diet is hard it is hard it's hard i can't like hard it is hard it's hard i can't like hard it is hard it's hard i can't like like emphasize it like actually doing it like emphasize it like actually doing it like emphasize it like actually doing it like i'm telling you i think people like i'm telling you i think people like i'm telling you i think people think they're doing it and they're not think they're doing it and they're not think they're doing it and they're not what they're doing is just a low low low what they're doing is just a low low low what they're doing is just a low low low carb diet it's different carb diet it's different carb diet it's different um um anyways so like convincing someone to do anyways so like convincing someone to do anyways so like convincing someone to do it is it is it is difficult like very difficult and so if difficult like very difficult and so if difficult like very difficult and so if you give them the exogenous ketone ester you give them the exogenous ketone ester you give them the exogenous ketone ester they can experience oh i would feel this they can experience oh i would feel this they can experience oh i would feel this way i would feel this way more often if way i would feel this way more often if way i would feel this way more often if i could you know first of all initially i could you know first of all initially i could you know first of all initially do the ketogenic diet so i did this with do the ketogenic diet so i did this with do the ketogenic diet so i did this with my mom so my mom has two types of motor my mom so my mom has two types of motor my mom so my mom has two types of motor dysfunction tremors she has essential dysfunction tremors she has essential dysfunction tremors she has essential tremor which is the kind of tremor where tremor which is the kind of tremor where tremor which is the kind of tremor where like you know you kind of just shake like you know you kind of just shake like you know you kind of just shake like when you're doing something or like when you're doing something or like when you're doing something or grabbing like a you know some spoon or grabbing like a you know some spoon or grabbing like a you know some spoon or whatever whatever whatever um and then she has orthostatic tremor
18:00um and then she has orthostatic tremor um and then she has orthostatic tremor which is like tremoring tremors like which is like tremoring tremors like which is like tremoring tremors like where she's if she stands still like her where she's if she stands still like her where she's if she stands still like her legs shake really fast so she can walk legs shake really fast so she can walk legs shake really fast so she can walk fine but if she's standing it's really fine but if she's standing it's really fine but if she's standing it's really hard so she has to like not stand just hard so she has to like not stand just hard so she has to like not stand just to sit or walk or move to sit or walk or move to sit or walk or move and with all the research on and with all the research on and with all the research on on the effects of ketogenic diets on on the effects of ketogenic diets on on the effects of ketogenic diets on epilepsy and then there's also some data epilepsy and then there's also some data epilepsy and then there's also some data and um dr max matson talked about this and um dr max matson talked about this and um dr max matson talked about this with me because he actually worked with with me because he actually worked with with me because he actually worked with the late richard beach on this who was the late richard beach on this who was the late richard beach on this who was like the guy who invented the ketone like the guy who invented the ketone like the guy who invented the ketone ester ester ester they're showing that it helps with like they're showing that it helps with like they're showing that it helps with like parkinson's disease in animal models parkinson's disease in animal models parkinson's disease in animal models alzheimer's disease like and that's you alzheimer's disease like and that's you alzheimer's disease like and that's you know something that's a little different know something that's a little different know something that's a little different than motor dysfunction but um so i was i than motor dysfunction but um so i was i than motor dysfunction but um so i was i you know i wanted to give her this this you know i wanted to give her this this you know i wanted to give her this this ketone ester to say look the ketogenic ketone ester to say look the ketogenic ketone ester to say look the ketogenic diet may be beneficial for you let's see diet may be beneficial for you let's see diet may be beneficial for you let's see and and it absolutely helped it absolutely helped it absolutely helped mostly with her essential tremor mostly with her essential tremor mostly with her essential tremor uh but she noticed a little bit of an uh but she noticed a little bit of an uh but she noticed a little bit of an effect with orthostatic now of course effect with orthostatic now of course effect with orthostatic now of course there's always the placebo you can't there's always the placebo you can't there's always the placebo you can't placebo this it tastes like [ __ ] like placebo this it tastes like [ __ ] like placebo this it tastes like [ __ ] like you can't like i mean maybe you could
19:00you can't like i mean maybe you could you can't like i mean maybe you could but it's hard to come up with the but it's hard to come up with the but it's hard to come up with the placebo i mean people drinking this are placebo i mean people drinking this are placebo i mean people drinking this are like okay i'm getting a ketchup like okay i'm getting a ketchup like okay i'm getting a ketchup taste today yeah it's rough yeah so taste today yeah it's rough yeah so taste today yeah it's rough yeah so you know it's kind of like gasoline you know it's kind of like gasoline you know it's kind of like gasoline there's always that right yeah there's always that right yeah there's always that right yeah so um so she's done this enough times it so um so she's done this enough times it so um so she's done this enough times it also helped with her migraines also helped with her migraines also helped with her migraines like like like so and there's there's like literature a so and there's there's like literature a so and there's there's like literature a body of literature out there where it body of literature out there where it body of literature out there where it helps ketogenic diets been shown to help helps ketogenic diets been shown to help helps ketogenic diets been shown to help with migraines both prevention and with migraines both prevention and with migraines both prevention and treatment and then there's like one treatment and then there's like one treatment and then there's like one study showing ketone ester can help with study showing ketone ester can help with study showing ketone ester can help with migraines as well i mean they're like migraines as well i mean they're like migraines as well i mean they're like not like the best done you know i mean not like the best done you know i mean not like the best done you know i mean there's again there's no placebo and all there's again there's no placebo and all there's again there's no placebo and all that so you have to like take it with a that so you have to like take it with a that so you have to like take it with a grain of salt but she's now been on the grain of salt but she's now been on the grain of salt but she's now been on the ketogenic diet with me ketogenic diet with me ketogenic diet with me and um and um she's having the darnest time getting she's having the darnest time getting she's having the darnest time getting into ketosis too like and she's not into ketosis too like and she's not into ketosis too like and she's not doing the butter and the coffee and like doing the butter and the coffee and like doing the butter and the coffee and like the all the like fat the all the like fat the all the like fat like i'm just really trying to get as like i'm just really trying to get as like i'm just really trying to get as much fat as i can much fat as i can much fat as i can how is she doing well she's eating she's how is she doing well she's eating she's how is she doing well she's eating she's been eating the same meals so like and been eating the same meals so like and been eating the same meals so like and she's a she's a she's a a person that was like refined carbs
20:00a person that was like refined carbs a person that was like refined carbs you know like i mean she's like someone you know like i mean she's like someone you know like i mean she's like someone that i've had to work hard on to that i've had to work hard on to that i've had to work hard on to um um get her to stop drinking sugar sweetened get her to stop drinking sugar sweetened get her to stop drinking sugar sweetened beverages beverages beverages you know like she thinks it fixes her you know like she thinks it fixes her you know like she thinks it fixes her migraine and coca-cola migraine and coca-cola migraine and coca-cola yeah she would say it fixes her yeah she would say it fixes her yeah she would say it fixes her migraines yeah it does like doesn't migraines yeah it does like doesn't migraines yeah it does like doesn't according to her i mean according to her i mean according to her i mean is there any reason why maybe some is there any reason why maybe some is there any reason why maybe some caffeine the caffeine's been shown to caffeine the caffeine's been shown to caffeine the caffeine's been shown to help um help um help um also potentially like if she's having also potentially like if she's having also potentially like if she's having like like if if glucose is having a hard time if if glucose is having a hard time if if glucose is having a hard time getting in her brain and being used by getting in her brain and being used by getting in her brain and being used by your neurons like maybe that your neurons like maybe that your neurons like maybe that shh shh shh you know huge sugar rush from the coke you know huge sugar rush from the coke you know huge sugar rush from the coke is going to help all the more reason is going to help all the more reason is going to help all the more reason like there's been you know there's been like there's been you know there's been like there's been you know there's been evidence both animal and some early evidence both animal and some early evidence both animal and some early clinical evidence that basically clinical evidence that basically clinical evidence that basically you can take someone with you can take someone with you can take someone with like early dementia and and like early dementia and and like early dementia and and the science some one of the earliest the science some one of the earliest the science some one of the earliest signs actually of both alzheimer's signs actually of both alzheimer's signs actually of both alzheimer's disease and um disease and um disease and um i'm not so sure if it's also dementia i'm not so sure if it's also dementia i'm not so sure if it's also dementia but definitely alzheimer's disease is
21:00but definitely alzheimer's disease is but definitely alzheimer's disease is impaired glucose like brain use of impaired glucose like brain use of impaired glucose like brain use of glucose glucose like people like their neurons and stuff like people like their neurons and stuff like people like their neurons and stuff are not using glucose well and so like are not using glucose well and so like are not using glucose well and so like naturally of course beta-hydroxybutyrate naturally of course beta-hydroxybutyrate naturally of course beta-hydroxybutyrate would be an alternative to that you know would be an alternative to that you know would be an alternative to that you know so so um so so um so so um anyways anyways anyways what was i getting at oh yeah basically what was i getting at oh yeah basically what was i getting at oh yeah basically there there could be some effect with there there could be some effect with there there could be some effect with the glucose rush for her the glucose rush for her the glucose rush for her for her headache thing um but for her headache thing um but for her headache thing um but again the exogenous ketones worked they again the exogenous ketones worked they again the exogenous ketones worked they did and so like i've been i've given it did and so like i've been i've given it did and so like i've been i've given it to her and she's been wanting to do this to her and she's been wanting to do this to her and she's been wanting to do this this is we've known this for like a year this is we've known this for like a year this is we've known this for like a year over a year and she's been wanting to do over a year and she's been wanting to do over a year and she's been wanting to do the ketogenic diet and i think it just the ketogenic diet and i think it just the ketogenic diet and i think it just finally took me doing it finally took me doing it finally took me doing it to like get her to start it because like to like get her to start it because like to like get her to start it because like does she live in the same neighborhood does she live in the same neighborhood does she live in the same neighborhood as you no no she's close i mean she's in as you no no she's close i mean she's in as you no no she's close i mean she's in the same city okay she comes and helps the same city okay she comes and helps the same city okay she comes and helps out with like my son out with like my son out with like my son um so she's at my house like so you um so she's at my house like so you um so she's at my house like so you grateful to help show her what foods grateful to help show her what foods grateful to help show her what foods foods yes yes what are you trying to get foods yes yes what are you trying to get foods yes yes what are you trying to get her to eat like specifically well right her to eat like specifically well right her to eat like specifically well right now we've been i've been so busy and so now we've been i've been so busy and so now we've been i've been so busy and so i've been like doing the
22:00i've been like doing the i've been like doing the lowest hanging fruit in terms of what's lowest hanging fruit in terms of what's lowest hanging fruit in terms of what's like the least amount of work bacon like the least amount of work bacon like the least amount of work bacon bacon i've got a bunch of bacon in my bacon i've got a bunch of bacon in my bacon i've got a bunch of bacon in my purse right now purse right now purse right now because i gotta catch a flight after because i gotta catch a flight after because i gotta catch a flight after this and i'm fasted i'm like i gotta eat this and i'm fasted i'm like i gotta eat this and i'm fasted i'm like i gotta eat something before i get on the plane something before i get on the plane something before i get on the plane anyways what about beef tallow do you anyways what about beef tallow do you anyways what about beef tallow do you ever i haven't i'm going beef tallow not ever i haven't i'm going beef tallow not ever i haven't i'm going beef tallow not yet not yet but like so so what i've yet not yet but like so so what i've yet not yet but like so so what i've been doing just these past like you know been doing just these past like you know been doing just these past like you know 12 or 13 days is 12 or 13 days is 12 or 13 days is what i thought was gonna like really get what i thought was gonna like really get what i thought was gonna like really get me in ketosis and be a kinetic diet me in ketosis and be a kinetic diet me in ketosis and be a kinetic diet which was like protein which was like protein which was like protein avocado olive oil drip drizzled all over avocado olive oil drip drizzled all over avocado olive oil drip drizzled all over it like some of the high fat low carb it like some of the high fat low carb it like some of the high fat low carb nuts like pecans and macadamia nuts um nuts like pecans and macadamia nuts um nuts like pecans and macadamia nuts um and and then i thought oh you know you and and then i thought oh you know you and and then i thought oh you know you know me like micronutrients i need the know me like micronutrients i need the know me like micronutrients i need the magnesium i need so avocados are great magnesium i need so avocados are great magnesium i need so avocados are great they're getting a lot of stuff like they're getting a lot of stuff like they're getting a lot of stuff like potassium but the magnesium which i'm potassium but the magnesium which i'm potassium but the magnesium which i'm now supplementing with is something now supplementing with is something now supplementing with is something that's been hard to get without my leafy that's been hard to get without my leafy that's been hard to get without my leafy greens greens greens and my leafy greens have been like and my leafy greens have been like and my leafy greens have been like kicking me out of ketosis so i have to
23:00kicking me out of ketosis so i have to kicking me out of ketosis so i have to even if you like drench them in butter even if you like drench them in butter even if you like drench them in butter and and i drenched it in butter and olive oil i drenched it in butter and olive oil i drenched it in butter and olive oil and i you know i cook down the spinach and i you know i cook down the spinach and i you know i cook down the spinach when you cook it down like so it's a lot when you cook it down like so it's a lot when you cook it down like so it's a lot more carb actually when it's cooked and more carb actually when it's cooked and more carb actually when it's cooked and really i should have thought yeah really i should have thought yeah really i should have thought yeah because haven't you ever sauteed spinach because haven't you ever sauteed spinach because haven't you ever sauteed spinach i mean you're like but i never thought i mean you're like but i never thought i mean you're like but i never thought it would be more carb because you're it would be more carb because you're it would be more carb because you're eating more more eating more you know eating more more eating more you know eating more more eating more you know like if you were to eat a spinach salad like if you were to eat a spinach salad like if you were to eat a spinach salad you would stop you're like oh this is a you would stop you're like oh this is a you would stop you're like oh this is a big old bowl like too much right but you big old bowl like too much right but you big old bowl like too much right but you eat that sauteed spinach and it's like eat that sauteed spinach and it's like eat that sauteed spinach and it's like little pea it's like a little portion little pea it's like a little portion little pea it's like a little portion it's kind of crazy how much spinach was it's kind of crazy how much spinach was it's kind of crazy how much spinach was in there i don't know in there i don't know in there i don't know yeah yeah yeah so so so so so so so of course everything that i was like so of course everything that i was like so of course everything that i was like yes i can't this i can do my leafy yes i can't this i can do my leafy yes i can't this i can do my leafy greens on i think i i will be able to greens on i think i i will be able to greens on i think i i will be able to eventually eventually eventually but not initially not initially for sure but not initially not initially for sure but not initially not initially for sure and so you have to supplement my and so you have to supplement my and so you have to supplement my am anything else selenium is there any am anything else selenium is there any am anything else selenium is there any other things that you're supplementing other things that you're supplementing other things that you're supplementing with selenium and meat and stuff um i with selenium and meat and stuff um i with selenium and meat and stuff um i mean i get it my multivitamin has all mean i get it my multivitamin has all mean i get it my multivitamin has all that stuff anyways but i'm i'm i usually that stuff anyways but i'm i'm i usually that stuff anyways but i'm i'm i usually don't have to take extra magnesium
24:00don't have to take extra magnesium don't have to take extra magnesium because i usually get so much from because i usually get so much from because i usually get so much from eating eating eating dark leafy greens and so that's like the dark leafy greens and so that's like the dark leafy greens and so that's like the main one that i've that i've added and main one that i've that i've added and main one that i've that i've added and you're eating meat pretty much every day you're eating meat pretty much every day you're eating meat pretty much every day yeah every day so what kind of meat like yeah every day so what kind of meat like yeah every day so what kind of meat like rib eyes like some rib eyes i had rib rib eyes like some rib eyes i had rib rib eyes like some rib eyes i had rib eye yeah last night i had a rib eye um eye yeah last night i had a rib eye um eye yeah last night i had a rib eye um the stupid the stupid the stupid um um cauliflower hash with cauliflower hash with cauliflower hash with with it was like a keto place i ordered with it was like a keto place i ordered with it was like a keto place i ordered it from my postmates to my hotel and it from my postmates to my hotel and it from my postmates to my hotel and they have a keto place it's called keto they have a keto place it's called keto they have a keto place it's called keto kitchen kitchen kitchen i found it i found it i found it the cauliflower i kicked me down from the cauliflower i kicked me down from the cauliflower i kicked me down from 2.2 2.1 to like 2.2 2.1 to like 2.2 2.1 to like 0.4 0.4 0.4 like i was so upset and then i did like i was so upset and then i did like i was so upset and then i did bounce back somewhere i was one bounce back somewhere i was one bounce back somewhere i was one millimolar this morning which was good millimolar this morning which was good millimolar this morning which was good but still i was pissed but still i was pissed but still i was pissed yeah so the cauliflower hatch it's hard to get up to two point like so it's hard to get up to two point like so is it a matter of like doing it for long is it a matter of like doing it for long is it a matter of like doing it for long periods of time where your body becomes periods of time where your body becomes periods of time where your body becomes fat adapted and understands it and gets fat adapted and understands it and gets fat adapted and understands it and gets accustomed to it is that what it is yeah
25:00accustomed to it is that what it is yeah accustomed to it is that what it is yeah i think so is there an actual like i think so is there an actual like i think so is there an actual like a mechanism that's causing this process a mechanism that's causing this process a mechanism that's causing this process to be like more robust over time i am to be like more robust over time i am to be like more robust over time i am that's a great question that i don't that's a great question that i don't that's a great question that i don't know i and i've been wanting to know the know i and i've been wanting to know the know i and i've been wanting to know the answer to like what's the actual answer to like what's the actual answer to like what's the actual mechanism mechanism and and you know i all i can come up with is you know i all i can come up with is you know i all i can come up with is like you know it is like you know it is like you know it is you know you're getting your liver to you know you're getting your liver to you know you're getting your liver to like like it's it's always easy it's just easier it's it's always easy it's just easier it's it's always easy it's just easier to like use that glucose you use it you to like use that glucose you use it you to like use that glucose you use it you know so like getting the liver to like know so like getting the liver to like know so like getting the liver to like oxidize the fatty acids and then make oxidize the fatty acids and then make oxidize the fatty acids and then make the ketones on top of that the ketones on top of that the ketones on top of that great question maybe dom dagasino knows great question maybe dom dagasino knows great question maybe dom dagasino knows maybe i'll figure it out i don't know maybe i'll figure it out i don't know maybe i'll figure it out i don't know but um but um but um but there's something like it's it's but there's something like it's it's but there's something like it's it's real like it's real and real like it's real and real like it's real and i think um maybe you know there's i think um maybe you know there's i think um maybe you know there's probably some individual variation there probably some individual variation there probably some individual variation there too i mean there's lots of genes too i mean there's lots of genes too i mean there's lots of genes regulating these things when you're regulating these things when you're regulating these things when you're getting your mother to take the getting your mother to take the getting your mother to take the ketone esters and you know there is that ketone esters and you know there is that ketone esters and you know there is that issue that you were talking about issue that you were talking about issue that you were talking about so what how do you mitigate that with so what how do you mitigate that with so what how do you mitigate that with your mom well she'll probably she your mom well she'll probably she your mom well she'll probably she usually will like get some orange juice
26:00usually will like get some orange juice usually will like get some orange juice and like eat some oatmeal with fruit in and like eat some oatmeal with fruit in and like eat some oatmeal with fruit in it um it um it um and that's and that's and that's you know she's she's like increasing her you know she's she's like increasing her you know she's she's like increasing her carb intake basically carb intake basically carb intake basically so but still you know so but still you know so but still you know for someone like me it's like like even for someone like me it's like like even for someone like me it's like like even like you know a little bit of carbs that like you know a little bit of carbs that like you know a little bit of carbs that i eat with like the vegetables and stuff i eat with like the vegetables and stuff i eat with like the vegetables and stuff it's just it's just it's just i will crash like i would crash hard so i will crash like i would crash hard so i will crash like i would crash hard so um so i prefer so that's um so i prefer so that's um so i prefer so that's i started doing this whole like okay i started doing this whole like okay i started doing this whole like okay fasting in the morning like i've noticed fasting in the morning like i've noticed fasting in the morning like i've noticed like i'm more mentally on my game and like i'm more mentally on my game and like i'm more mentally on my game and then it was like okay well maybe i could then it was like okay well maybe i could then it was like okay well maybe i could just try the ketogenic diet you know just try the ketogenic diet you know just try the ketogenic diet you know like what have i been so like what have i been so like what have i been so i i i wanting getting the like micronutrient wanting getting the like micronutrient wanting getting the like micronutrient intake has been really important to me intake has been really important to me intake has been really important to me and then of course like and then of course like and then of course like i i was pregnant and then i breastfed i i i was pregnant and then i breastfed i i i was pregnant and then i breastfed i did an extended breastfeeding and all did an extended breastfeeding and all did an extended breastfeeding and all this time i didn't want to do any this time i didn't want to do any this time i didn't want to do any restrictive diets really you know and um restrictive diets really you know and um restrictive diets really you know and um and then the pandemic hit and it was and then the pandemic hit and it was and then the pandemic hit and it was just like all this you know just like all this you know just like all this you know excuses but i'm finally like i finally excuses but i'm finally like i finally excuses but i'm finally like i finally got the motivation once it was like very got the motivation once it was like very got the motivation once it was like very noticeable noticeable noticeable mental i know you exercise a lot do you
27:00mental i know you exercise a lot do you mental i know you exercise a lot do you notice a difference in your energy notice a difference in your energy notice a difference in your energy levels with keto because i i found when levels with keto because i i found when levels with keto because i i found when i tried it that at least the initial i tried it that at least the initial i tried it that at least the initial part of it was very difficult to work part of it was very difficult to work part of it was very difficult to work out hard out hard out hard i did not work out hard like i did not work out hard like i did not work out hard like pretty i haven't actually worked out pretty i haven't actually worked out pretty i haven't actually worked out really hard for really hard for really hard for tortoises tortoises tortoises yeah yeah um because you're giving your yeah yeah um because you're giving your yeah yeah um because you're giving your body a chance to adapt um body a chance to adapt um body a chance to adapt um mostly because i've been so damn busy mostly because i've been so damn busy mostly because i've been so damn busy but but but you know i i just haven't been i but you know i i just haven't been i but you know i i just haven't been i actually probably should have been actually probably should have been actually probably should have been working out more because you can working out more because you can working out more because you can actually kick yourself into ketosis by actually kick yourself into ketosis by actually kick yourself into ketosis by doing that because you deplete your your doing that because you deplete your your doing that because you deplete your your glycogen stores glycogen stores glycogen stores specific type of workout it's better for specific type of workout it's better for specific type of workout it's better for that aerobic definitely that aerobic definitely that aerobic definitely but on the flip side of that if you're but on the flip side of that if you're but on the flip side of that if you're doing strength training you're remember doing strength training you're remember doing strength training you're remember we talked about the gluconeogene the we talked about the gluconeogene the we talked about the gluconeogene the glucogenic amino acids so glucogenic amino acids so glucogenic amino acids so gluconeogenesis refers to the process of gluconeogenesis refers to the process of gluconeogenesis refers to the process of your body making glucose your body making glucose your body making glucose without having to have a carbohydrate
28:00without having to have a carbohydrate without having to have a carbohydrate source your body can make it from those source your body can make it from those source your body can make it from those these specific certain amino acids these specific certain amino acids these specific certain amino acids there's quite a few of them and also there's quite a few of them and also there's quite a few of them and also from the glycerol backbone of you know from the glycerol backbone of you know from the glycerol backbone of you know triglycerides you have three fatty acids triglycerides you have three fatty acids triglycerides you have three fatty acids on a glycerol background when you sort on a glycerol background when you sort on a glycerol background when you sort of break that up that backbone can also of break that up that backbone can also of break that up that backbone can also do that so do that so do that so so um so um strength training can strength training can strength training can cause you to take amino acids up into cause you to take amino acids up into cause you to take amino acids up into muscle muscle muscle and some of those glucogen and some of those glucogen and some of those glucogen glucogenic amino acids are like some of glucogenic amino acids are like some of glucogenic amino acids are like some of the branch chain amino acids that you're the branch chain amino acids that you're the branch chain amino acids that you're taking up into muscle so you're taking up into muscle so you're taking up into muscle so you're basically if you're strength training basically if you're strength training basically if you're strength training i don't know if this has been shown i don't know if this has been shown i don't know if this has been shown it's like you know a theoretical it's like you know a theoretical it's like you know a theoretical speculation but like in theory speculation but like in theory speculation but like in theory you should be you should be you should be picking up some of those amino acids and picking up some of those amino acids and picking up some of those amino acids and not converting as much because that's not converting as much because that's not converting as much because that's another thing too much protein if you another thing too much protein if you another thing too much protein if you just without the fat like could just without the fat like could just without the fat like could potentially kick you out and right i'm potentially kick you out and right i'm potentially kick you out and right i'm probably also experiencing that i gotta probably also experiencing that i gotta probably also experiencing that i gotta eat i'm like all i'm eating is avocados eat i'm like all i'm eating is avocados eat i'm like all i'm eating is avocados i have like avocados in my bag i i have like avocados in my bag i i have like avocados in my bag i traveled with them i'm like like what traveled with them i'm like like what traveled with them i'm like like what else can you do besides all the oil else can you do besides all the oil else can you do besides all the oil in like the coffee what do they do when
29:00in like the coffee what do they do when in like the coffee what do they do when they check at the airport and they find they check at the airport and they find they check at the airport and they find all this food in your bag they didn't do all this food in your bag they didn't do all this food in your bag they didn't do anything what's wrong with this lady anything what's wrong with this lady anything what's wrong with this lady she's got bacon and avocados in their she's got bacon and avocados in their she's got bacon and avocados in their bags well it's a good thing because i bags well it's a good thing because i bags well it's a good thing because i mean it's really like yeah everything's mean it's really like yeah everything's mean it's really like yeah everything's carbs the airport it's all carbs and i carbs the airport it's all carbs and i carbs the airport it's all carbs and i didn't eat anything on the fly you know didn't eat anything on the fly you know didn't eat anything on the fly you know it was like it was like it was like you know that's the different the you know that's the different the you know that's the different the difficult aspect of is the difficult aspect of is the difficult aspect of is the gluconeogenesis right so if you just eat gluconeogenesis right so if you just eat gluconeogenesis right so if you just eat meat your body's gonna eventually meat your body's gonna eventually meat your body's gonna eventually convert that to glucose and that'll kick convert that to glucose and that'll kick convert that to glucose and that'll kick you out yeah so yeah i mean you went you out yeah so yeah i mean you went you out yeah so yeah i mean you went with lots of fat exactly and that's the with lots of fat exactly and that's the with lots of fat exactly and that's the thing that i'm learning is that i mean thing that i'm learning is that i mean thing that i'm learning is that i mean at least initially like i said you know at least initially like i said you know at least initially like i said you know there's there are people out there that there's there are people out there that there's there are people out there that have been doing this have been doing this have been doing this for a long time and they like i'm sure for a long time and they like i'm sure for a long time and they like i'm sure they're like they're much more of an they're like they're much more of an they're like they're much more of an expert they can tell you exactly what expert they can tell you exactly what expert they can tell you exactly what you got to eat and when you can switch you got to eat and when you can switch you got to eat and when you can switch over to more of that but like i'm over to more of that but like i'm over to more of that but like i'm learning about this and i'm going holy learning about this and i'm going holy learning about this and i'm going holy [ __ ] like i thought i could just eat [ __ ] like i thought i could just eat [ __ ] like i thought i could just eat some meat and restrict my carbs and like some meat and restrict my carbs and like some meat and restrict my carbs and like i'd be in ketosis and tom de augustino i'd be in ketosis and tom de augustino i'd be in ketosis and tom de augustino he would travel with uh oysters and he would travel with uh oysters and he would travel with uh oysters and olive oil so i have sardines in olive olive oil so i have sardines in olive olive oil so i have sardines in olive oil and um they're like my favorite oil and um they're like my favorite
30:00oil and um they're like my favorite because they really high in omega-3 because they really high in omega-3 because they really high in omega-3 there's like almost a thousand it's like there's like almost a thousand it's like there's like almost a thousand it's like 800 or something milligrams of epa and 800 or something milligrams of epa and 800 or something milligrams of epa and almost um like 500 or something almost um like 500 or something almost um like 500 or something dha there's like literally like a ton of dha there's like literally like a ton of dha there's like literally like a ton of omega-3 in my in my sardines omega-3 in my in my sardines omega-3 in my in my sardines and um they're in olive oil and um they're in olive oil and um they're in olive oil the olive oil tastes a little fishy but the olive oil tastes a little fishy but the olive oil tastes a little fishy but i also have a little chili in it there's i also have a little chili in it there's i also have a little chili in it there's like so it's like a spicy so i i've got like so it's like a spicy so i i've got like so it's like a spicy so i i've got like four four or five of those i like four four or five of those i like four four or five of those i brought with me did i ever used did i brought with me did i ever used did i brought with me did i ever used did i tell you that i used to eat those every tell you that i used to eat those every tell you that i used to eat those every day and then i got my blood work done i day and then i got my blood work done i day and then i got my blood work done i had a level of arsenic that was a little had a level of arsenic that was a little had a level of arsenic that was a little disturbing disturbing disturbing and the the doctor started asking me and the the doctor started asking me and the the doctor started asking me questions like what's your diet like we questions like what's your diet like we questions like what's your diet like we go over that he goes what a dude is go over that he goes what a dude is go over that he goes what a dude is there any uh do you need canned fish there any uh do you need canned fish there any uh do you need canned fish and i said yeah i eat sardines like and i said yeah i eat sardines like and i said yeah i eat sardines like every day goes that's it he goes cut every day goes that's it he goes cut every day goes that's it he goes cut that out let's try it again in a couple that out let's try it again in a couple that out let's try it again in a couple of months of months of months and it was gone it was specifically it and it was gone it was specifically it and it was gone it was specifically it was arsenic yeah arsenic really no so was arsenic yeah arsenic really no so was arsenic yeah arsenic really no so that's interesting because dirty little that's interesting because dirty little that's interesting because dirty little fish they're dirty little fish at the fish they're dirty little fish at the fish they're dirty little fish at the bottom of the city i'm gonna have to do bottom of the city i'm gonna have to do bottom of the city i'm gonna have to do a i've done an arsenic test before um
31:00a i've done an arsenic test before um a i've done an arsenic test before um and and how long ago this was how long ago this was how long ago this was it was like it was like maybe two and a half years ago two and a maybe two and a half years ago two and a maybe two and a half years ago two and a half years ago you weren't eating like half years ago you weren't eating like half years ago you weren't eating like you're eating these every day now you're eating these every day now you're eating these every day now i mean i was not eating these every day i mean i was not eating these every day i mean i was not eating these every day when i did this test no i know i am now when i did this test no i know i am now when i did this test no i know i am now yeah so i gotta do it yeah yeah so i gotta do it yeah yeah so i gotta do it yeah they do they contain a lot of heavy they do they contain a lot of heavy they do they contain a lot of heavy metals apparently oh my gosh yeah metals apparently oh my gosh yeah metals apparently oh my gosh yeah pollution oh no oh no pollution oh no oh no pollution oh no oh no i mean this is my experience maybe what i mean this is my experience maybe what i mean this is my experience maybe what am i gonna eat joe well maybe there's am i gonna eat joe well maybe there's am i gonna eat joe well maybe there's cans you can get where they get it from cans you can get where they get it from cans you can get where they get it from better sources i don't know yeah this better sources i don't know yeah this better sources i don't know yeah this was quite a few years ago i don't was quite a few years ago i don't was quite a few years ago i don't remember what source i was getting it remember what source i was getting it remember what source i was getting it from from from because they're they're so tiny little because they're they're so tiny little because they're they're so tiny little fish you'd think that they're like fish you'd think that they're like fish you'd think that they're like they're buggers though you'd think they're buggers though you'd think they're buggers though you'd think they'd have lower levels of that stuff they'd have lower levels of that stuff they'd have lower levels of that stuff like they have a lot of them they're at like they have a lot of them they're at like they have a lot of them they're at the bottom they have lower mercury much the bottom they have lower mercury much the bottom they have lower mercury much lower than like a bigger fish so i guess lower than like a bigger fish so i guess lower than like a bigger fish so i guess it's not the same for with our i don't it's not the same for with our i don't it's not the same for with our i don't know know know i mean again it could have just been the i mean again it could have just been the i mean again it could have just been the source i was getting from maybe other source i was getting from maybe other source i was getting from maybe other sources have no arsenic you know i don't sources have no arsenic you know i don't sources have no arsenic you know i don't i mean i mean i mean you they're they're a really you they're they're a really you they're they're a really well-traveled fish right they're well-traveled fish right they're well-traveled fish right they're available in a lot of different parts of available in a lot of different parts of available in a lot of different parts of the world
32:00the world the world i believe i believe i believe well i'm glad i wasn't eating them every well i'm glad i wasn't eating them every well i'm glad i wasn't eating them every day while i was breastfeeding either day while i was breastfeeding either day while i was breastfeeding either because i don't want to transfer that to because i don't want to transfer that to because i don't want to transfer that to breast milk but there are warnings where breast milk but there are warnings where breast milk but there are warnings where people say you shouldn't particularly people say you shouldn't particularly people say you shouldn't particularly like freshwater fish i was reading about like freshwater fish i was reading about like freshwater fish i was reading about this guy no i was listening to a podcast this guy no i was listening to a podcast this guy no i was listening to a podcast about this guy who got mercury poisoning about this guy who got mercury poisoning about this guy who got mercury poisoning and he was a and he was a and he was a a freshwater angler and he would uh a freshwater angler and he would uh a freshwater angler and he would uh compete in a lot of fishing tournaments compete in a lot of fishing tournaments compete in a lot of fishing tournaments and he ate fish like pretty much every and he ate fish like pretty much every and he ate fish like pretty much every day like freshwater fish and he day like freshwater fish and he day like freshwater fish and he developed mercury poisoning like pretty developed mercury poisoning like pretty developed mercury poisoning like pretty severe mercury poisoning yeah i mean severe mercury poisoning yeah i mean severe mercury poisoning yeah i mean you definitely can get mercury poisoning you definitely can get mercury poisoning you definitely can get mercury poisoning from eating certain fish dangers of from eating certain fish dangers of from eating certain fish dangers of eating anchovies oh i was eating eating anchovies oh i was eating eating anchovies oh i was eating sardines but right different thing but sardines but right different thing but sardines but right different thing but let's a couple friends let's a couple friends let's a couple friends get some get some get some parasite parasite parasite oh oh oh that's a different thing that's a whole that's a different thing that's a whole that's a different thing that's a whole other never mind associated with eating other never mind associated with eating other never mind associated with eating sushi the ingestive anchovies infected sushi the ingestive anchovies infected sushi the ingestive anchovies infected with parasites oh great with parasites oh great with parasites oh great fun fun fun sushi is like raw fish is
33:00fun fun fun sushi is like raw fish is fun fun fun sushi is like raw fish is also higher in mercury when you cook the also higher in mercury when you cook the also higher in mercury when you cook the mercury the mercury the mercury the levels go down yeah i've heard that that levels go down yeah i've heard that that levels go down yeah i've heard that that raw fish is very high in it higher raw fish is very high in it higher raw fish is very high in it higher people eat a lot of sushi they can get people eat a lot of sushi they can get people eat a lot of sushi they can get mercury issues right yeah and is it does mercury issues right yeah and is it does mercury issues right yeah and is it does it salt water versus fresh water is it salt water versus fresh water is it salt water versus fresh water is there i didn't know about that what i there i didn't know about that what i there i didn't know about that what i know about is like the the like size of know about is like the the like size of know about is like the the like size of the fish like so like the worst thing the fish like so like the worst thing the fish like so like the worst thing you can do is like eat swordfish you can do is like eat swordfish you can do is like eat swordfish um but like as you go down like through um but like as you go down like through um but like as you go down like through certain fish like salmon certain fish like salmon certain fish like salmon sardines are really low in mercury sardines are really low in mercury sardines are really low in mercury salmon sardines salmon sardines salmon sardines some um some um some um anchovies as well but other issues but anchovies as well but other issues but anchovies as well but other issues but bigger fish yeah because they eat they bigger fish yeah because they eat they bigger fish yeah because they eat they eat like smaller fish and accumulates eat like smaller fish and accumulates eat like smaller fish and accumulates yeah so they're acute it's like yeah so they're acute it's like yeah so they're acute it's like accumulating in there and they're fat accumulating in there and they're fat accumulating in there and they're fat so uh those i always try to eat fish so uh those i always try to eat fish so uh those i always try to eat fish that are that are that are lower they're high in the omega-3 index lower they're high in the omega-3 index lower they're high in the omega-3 index like like wild alaskan salmon is my favorite it's wild alaskan salmon is my favorite it's wild alaskan salmon is my favorite it's high it's a fatty fish it's also great high it's a fatty fish it's also great high it's a fatty fish it's also great for the ketogenic diet because it's a for the ketogenic diet because it's a for the ketogenic diet because it's a fatty fish fatty fish fatty fish it's high in the omega-3 levels and
34:00it's high in the omega-3 levels and it's high in the omega-3 levels and lower in like you know things like lower in like you know things like lower in like you know things like mercury and stuff like that and so mercury and stuff like that and so mercury and stuff like that and so um um you know another way obviously to get you know another way obviously to get you know another way obviously to get the omega-3s which i'm like super big on the omega-3s which i'm like super big on the omega-3s which i'm like super big on and there's actually a couple of really and there's actually a couple of really and there's actually a couple of really cool studies you might be interested in cool studies you might be interested in cool studies you might be interested in that just came out um on longevity but that just came out um on longevity but that just came out um on longevity but is to take like a fish oil supplement of is to take like a fish oil supplement of is to take like a fish oil supplement of course course course you can't it's not sustainable like if you can't it's not sustainable like if you can't it's not sustainable like if the entire world we're taking fish oil the entire world we're taking fish oil the entire world we're taking fish oil like you know so there's there's other like you know so there's there's other like you know so there's there's other we got to figure out other ways you know we got to figure out other ways you know we got to figure out other ways you know to like get these omega-3s that argument to like get these omega-3s that argument to like get these omega-3s that argument is always odd to me because is always odd to me because is always odd to me because you know yeah you know yeah you know yeah the entire world it's not sustainable the entire world it's not sustainable the entire world it's not sustainable but is it available to you right now yes but is it available to you right now yes but is it available to you right now yes so like what are you doing like i don't so like what are you doing like i don't so like what are you doing like i don't understand those arguments because like understand those arguments because like understand those arguments because like you can't convince the whole world to do you can't convince the whole world to do you can't convince the whole world to do certain things now if the whole world certain things now if the whole world certain things now if the whole world started taking omega supplements and started taking omega supplements and started taking omega supplements and then it became a real issue with you then it became a real issue with you then it became a real issue with you know supply know supply know supply and demand and demand and demand but they're not but they're not but they're not so like i get so confused when people so like i get so confused when people so like i get so confused when people want everything to be sustainable to the want everything to be sustainable to the want everything to be sustainable to the whole world like when i've told people
35:00whole world like when i've told people whole world like when i've told people like i think that eating wild game is like i think that eating wild game is like i think that eating wild game is healthier they'll go yeah but that's not healthier they'll go yeah but that's not healthier they'll go yeah but that's not sustainable for the whole world like sustainable for the whole world like sustainable for the whole world like the whole world's not doing a lot of the whole world's not doing a lot of the whole world's not doing a lot of things they're not whole world's not things they're not whole world's not things they're not whole world's not exercising the whole world like listen exercising the whole world like listen exercising the whole world like listen i'm just talking about what's available i'm just talking about what's available i'm just talking about what's available for you currently as a human being for you currently as a human being for you currently as a human being listening to this like is it available listening to this like is it available listening to this like is it available for eight billion people no it is not for eight billion people no it is not for eight billion people no it is not but guess what you're not gonna motivate but guess what you're not gonna motivate but guess what you're not gonna motivate eight billion people to do anything eight billion people to do anything eight billion people to do anything anyway right oh so i that it's funny you anyway right oh so i that it's funny you anyway right oh so i that it's funny you mentioned conversation is bananas to me mentioned conversation is bananas to me mentioned conversation is bananas to me because people always want to use it as because people always want to use it as because people always want to use it as an excuse to not do something healthy an excuse to not do something healthy an excuse to not do something healthy true um true um true um did you know about you mentioned the did you know about you mentioned the did you know about you mentioned the wild game and like if we could go back wild game and like if we could go back wild game and like if we could go back to mega three i'd love to but like there to mega three i'd love to but like there to mega three i'd love to but like there have so there i've looked at some have so there i've looked at some have so there i've looked at some studies studies studies so when the pandemic hit i like bought a so when the pandemic hit i like bought a so when the pandemic hit i like bought a bunch of like you know bunch of like you know bunch of like you know wild elk and like wild elk and like wild elk and like claimed to be wild you know it's claimed to be wild you know it's claimed to be wild you know it's definitely not okay definitely not okay definitely not okay it's all from new zealand most of it is it's all from new zealand most of it is it's all from new zealand most of it is it yeah okay well i was buying that and it yeah okay well i was buying that and it yeah okay well i was buying that and then i was buying like pasture raised then i was buying like pasture raised then i was buying like pasture raised this and that of course and so as we this and that of course and so as we this and that of course and so as we looked into like the differences
36:00looked into like the differences looked into like the differences of like you know looking at like vitamin of like you know looking at like vitamin of like you know looking at like vitamin and mineral profiles and and mineral profiles and and mineral profiles and you know the omega-3 fatty acid profiles you know the omega-3 fatty acid profiles you know the omega-3 fatty acid profiles and the fat and the macronutrient and the fat and the macronutrient and the fat and the macronutrient protein all that protein all that protein all that and um and um like elk for example wild like wild elk like elk for example wild like wild elk like elk for example wild like wild elk like wild game like you're getting it like wild game like you're getting it like wild game like you're getting it it's interesting it does have like it's interesting it does have like it's interesting it does have like higher concentrations of some like higher concentrations of some like higher concentrations of some like minerals and and micronutrients like minerals and and micronutrients like minerals and and micronutrients like zinc zinc zinc like so you're getting like a much like so you're getting like a much like so you're getting like a much higher level of some some of those higher level of some some of those higher level of some some of those things it has higher levels of things it has higher levels of things it has higher levels of omega-3 like like ala and omega-3 like like ala and omega-3 like like ala and some of the omega-3 fatty acids compared some of the omega-3 fatty acids compared some of the omega-3 fatty acids compared to certainly compared to conventional to certainly compared to conventional to certainly compared to conventional but um anyways yeah i mean in a way if but um anyways yeah i mean in a way if but um anyways yeah i mean in a way if you define healthier as more you define healthier as more you define healthier as more micronutrient packed micronutrient packed micronutrient packed it's healthier yeah it's also it's healthier yeah it's also it's healthier yeah it's also it just looks healthier if you look at it just looks healthier if you look at it just looks healthier if you look at it like the other day i cooked a piece it like the other day i cooked a piece it like the other day i cooked a piece of beef and then i cooked a bunch of elk of beef and then i cooked a bunch of elk of beef and then i cooked a bunch of elk and my family was you know we're eating and my family was you know we're eating and my family was you know we're eating both and we're looking at the elk versus both and we're looking at the elk versus both and we're looking at the elk versus the beef the alkali it's so dark the beef the alkali it's so dark the beef the alkali it's so dark it's so dark and rich and it just you
37:00it's so dark and rich and it just you it's so dark and rich and it just you can't eat as much like you get full can't eat as much like you get full can't eat as much like you get full quicker like your bodies get satisfied quicker like your bodies get satisfied quicker like your bodies get satisfied by it quicker but it's also there's just by it quicker but it's also there's just by it quicker but it's also there's just the the the whatever is causing it to be so dark whatever is causing it to be so dark whatever is causing it to be so dark it's it's quite evident when you look at it's it's quite evident when you look at it's it's quite evident when you look at that one of them is more attractive to that one of them is more attractive to that one of them is more attractive to you right i don't i don't know if it if you right i don't i don't know if it if you right i don't i don't know if it if it's as simple as like it's as simple as like it's as simple as like the stuff that you buy at the the stuff that you buy at the the stuff that you buy at the supermarket's just oxidizing out in the supermarket's just oxidizing out in the supermarket's just oxidizing out in the air air air or diet because if you get grass-fed or diet because if you get grass-fed or diet because if you get grass-fed meat it's a darker meat like grass-fed meat it's a darker meat like grass-fed meat it's a darker meat like grass-fed beef is quite a bit darker grass-fed beef is quite a bit darker grass-fed beef is quite a bit darker grass-fed grass-finished beef is much darker and grass-finished beef is much darker and grass-finished beef is much darker and has much less fat and it looks much more has much less fat and it looks much more has much less fat and it looks much more like and it tastes much more like game like and it tastes much more like game like and it tastes much more like game some people do not like the taste of some people do not like the taste of some people do not like the taste of grass-fed meat because it actually grass-fed meat because it actually grass-fed meat because it actually tastes like meat when you're getting tastes like meat when you're getting tastes like meat when you're getting grain-fed cows which is what most people grain-fed cows which is what most people grain-fed cows which is what most people love you get that juicy like really love you get that juicy like really love you get that juicy like really fatty meat that's a dying animal that's fatty meat that's a dying animal that's fatty meat that's a dying animal that's an animal that you know if you just let an animal that you know if you just let an animal that you know if you just let it eat like that it would just tip over it eat like that it would just tip over it eat like that it would just tip over and have a [ __ ] heart attack and have a [ __ ] heart attack
38:00and have a [ __ ] heart attack well they've compared it you're right it well they've compared it you're right it well they've compared it you're right it is like the conventional fattier as well is like the conventional fattier as well is like the conventional fattier as well and before 2017 and before 2017 and before 2017 like that's for a long time i was like like that's for a long time i was like like that's for a long time i was like the main reason i was avoiding the main reason i was avoiding the main reason i was avoiding conventional meat was because conventional meat was because conventional meat was because you know these you know these you know these i don't know what you call them these i don't know what you call them these i don't know what you call them these farmers the ones that are growing like farmers the ones that are growing like farmers the ones that are growing like having the the cows all packed in in having the the cows all packed in in having the the cows all packed in in their their their factory factory farm they're they were factory factory farm they're they were factory factory farm they're they were feeding them antibiotics not because feeding them antibiotics not because feeding them antibiotics not because they were had an infection but because they were had an infection but because they were had an infection but because it made them bigger right like that's it made them bigger right like that's it made them bigger right like that's why they fed them antibiotics oh yeah so why they fed them antibiotics oh yeah so why they fed them antibiotics oh yeah so the fda in 2017 you didn't know about the fda in 2017 you didn't know about the fda in 2017 you didn't know about this so they thought it was this so they thought it was this so they thought it was reaction to the issues that they were reaction to the issues that they were reaction to the issues that they were having by eating corn having by eating corn having by eating corn well some some i'm sure some well some some i'm sure some well some some i'm sure some factory farmers were doing it for that factory farmers were doing it for that factory farmers were doing it for that but but by and large like there's like but but by and large like there's like but but by and large like there's like there was a huge there was a huge there was a huge effect if you gave like in a cattle or effect if you gave like in a cattle or effect if you gave like in a cattle or you know one of these animals you know one of these animals you know one of these animals antibiotics it like made them grow antibiotics it like made them grow antibiotics it like made them grow bigger i wonder why i don't know i bigger i wonder why i don't know i bigger i wonder why i don't know i honestly don't know but it was like honestly don't know but it was like honestly don't know but it was like causing antibiotic resistance like was causing antibiotic resistance like was
39:00causing antibiotic resistance like was going through the roof because it was going through the roof because it was going through the roof because it was like leaking into like like leaking into like like leaking into like all the water supplies all the water supplies all the water supplies so scary to me antibiotic resistance is so scary to me antibiotic resistance is so scary to me antibiotic resistance is so scary to me because i know several so scary to me because i know several so scary to me because i know several friends that have had murse infections friends that have had murse infections friends that have had murse infections and they are absolutely terrifying and they are absolutely terrifying and they are absolutely terrifying because when you do get mrsa like because when you do get mrsa like because when you do get mrsa like friends that have had friends that have had friends that have had staph infections and it got really bad staph infections and it got really bad staph infections and it got really bad the doctors tell you like this is touch the doctors tell you like this is touch the doctors tell you like this is touch and go like you have to be in the and go like you have to be in the and go like you have to be in the hospital on an iv drip of antibiotics hospital on an iv drip of antibiotics hospital on an iv drip of antibiotics for we i had a friend who was in there for we i had a friend who was in there for we i had a friend who was in there for weeks and he is a for weeks and he is a for weeks and he is a young healthy black belt in jiu jitsu he young healthy black belt in jiu jitsu he young healthy black belt in jiu jitsu he got a murse infection on his knee got a murse infection on his knee got a murse infection on his knee they had to cut his knee open like a they had to cut his knee open like a they had to cut his knee open like a fish like pull it to the side to drain fish like pull it to the side to drain fish like pull it to the side to drain it and like to constantly clean it it it and like to constantly clean it it it and like to constantly clean it it was horrific he almost died and he was was horrific he almost died and he was was horrific he almost died and he was in his 20s and he really healthy really in his 20s and he really healthy really in his 20s and he really healthy really active elite athlete yeah mrsa will take active elite athlete yeah mrsa will take active elite athlete yeah mrsa will take anyone down yeah that's i agree that anyone down yeah that's i agree that anyone down yeah that's i agree that that that's scary and that's a direct that that's scary and that's a direct that that's scary and that's a direct result of antibiotics of the use of result of antibiotics of the use of result of antibiotics of the use of antibiotics has created this strain of
40:00antibiotics has created this strain of antibiotics has created this strain of really potent really potent really potent staff and believe it or not a lot of it staff and believe it or not a lot of it staff and believe it or not a lot of it was coming from was coming from was coming from this this this agricultural use of it this this this agricultural use of it this this this agricultural use of it really and so the really and so the really and so the the fda shut that down they said in 2017 the fda shut that down they said in 2017 the fda shut that down they said in 2017 because of antibiotic resistance because of antibiotic resistance because of antibiotic resistance you if you're a factory farmer whatever you if you're a factory farmer whatever you if you're a factory farmer whatever you can't give your animal you can't give your animal you can't give your animal antibiotics antibiotics antibiotics unless they have unless it's prescribed unless they have unless it's prescribed unless they have unless it's prescribed by a veterinarian and they have an by a veterinarian and they have an by a veterinarian and they have an infection that you're trying now you infection that you're trying now you infection that you're trying now you might find people still doing it i'll might find people still doing it i'll might find people still doing it i'll make you can find veterinarians that'll make you can find veterinarians that'll make you can find veterinarians that'll give you anything right so give you anything right so give you anything right so but but they they put the kibosh on that so they they put the kibosh on that so they they put the kibosh on that so these animals they were feeding them these animals they were feeding them these animals they were feeding them just to get them bigger and it was just to get them bigger and it was just to get them bigger and it was causing strains of antibiotic resistant causing strains of antibiotic resistant causing strains of antibiotic resistant the staph or whatever it is yeah the staph or whatever it is yeah the staph or whatever it is yeah bacteria yep wow yeah so um that's one bacteria yep wow yeah so um that's one bacteria yep wow yeah so um that's one good thing that since 2017 which isn't good thing that since 2017 which isn't good thing that since 2017 which isn't that long ago how was that making the that long ago how was that making the that long ago how was that making the jump to people um i mean it was just it jump to people um i mean it was just it jump to people um i mean it was just it was getting into the water supplies you was getting into the water supplies you was getting into the water supplies you know i think it was just causing these
41:00know i think it was just causing these know i think it was just causing these strains to become strains to become strains to become resistant and then the strains come to resistant and then the strains come to resistant and then the strains come to people i mean you know so people i mean you know so people i mean you know so imagine the amount of antibiotics to imagine the amount of antibiotics to imagine the amount of antibiotics to like just like just like just nationwide in in united states alone nationwide in in united states alone nationwide in in united states alone like how many they're using on all these like how many they're using on all these like how many they're using on all these and it was like chickens they were doing and it was like chickens they were doing and it was like chickens they were doing it for all these animals and they're it for all these animals and they're it for all these animals and they're only doing it to make them big yeah that only doing it to make them big yeah that only doing it to make them big yeah that is wild yeah and do we know why it makes is wild yeah and do we know why it makes is wild yeah and do we know why it makes them big i i don't remember like them big i i don't remember like them big i i don't remember like i think i looked into this like years i think i looked into this like years i think i looked into this like years ago and this is when i was like into ago and this is when i was like into ago and this is when i was like into that whole thing um i think there is a that whole thing um i think there is a that whole thing um i think there is a mechanism that's known but i don't mechanism that's known but i don't mechanism that's known but i don't remember exactly what it is probably has remember exactly what it is probably has remember exactly what it is probably has to do with microbiome composition like to do with microbiome composition like to do with microbiome composition like certain bacteria like certain bacteria like certain bacteria like yeah certain bacteria probably like yeah certain bacteria probably like yeah certain bacteria probably like you know you know go away and other ones are like making go away and other ones are like making go away and other ones are like making you get the energy because you can like you get the energy because you can like you get the energy because you can like harvest energy better from certain you harvest energy better from certain you harvest energy better from certain you know bacteria in your gut so it probably know bacteria in your gut so it probably know bacteria in your gut so it probably has to do something with that but like i has to do something with that but like i has to do something with that but like i just don't remember the exact thing just don't remember the exact thing just don't remember the exact thing that's crazy though right it's the that's crazy though right it's the that's crazy though right it's the scariest to me because i've had really scariest to me because i've had really scariest to me because i've had really healthy friends get taken down by it and healthy friends get taken down by it and healthy friends get taken down by it and you you find out that the doctor says
42:00you you find out that the doctor says you you find out that the doctor says hey we don't know exactly if you're hey we don't know exactly if you're hey we don't know exactly if you're going to live yeah that's crazy um so going to live yeah that's crazy um so going to live yeah that's crazy um so like i had a great uncle that you know like i had a great uncle that you know like i had a great uncle that you know just just just died of a staph infection like he went died of a staph infection like he went died of a staph infection like he went in for you know some kind of type 2 in for you know some kind of type 2 in for you know some kind of type 2 diabetes complication like kidney or diabetes complication like kidney or diabetes complication like kidney or something and got a staph infection something and got a staph infection something and got a staph infection while he was in there and that's what while he was in there and that's what while he was in there and that's what ultimately took him down it's a scary ultimately took him down it's a scary ultimately took him down it's a scary thing it is um there was a nature paper thing it is um there was a nature paper thing it is um there was a nature paper published published published like literally right around it was like like literally right around it was like like literally right around it was like a year and a half ago a year and a half ago a year and a half ago and and it was like titled something like some it was like titled something like some it was like titled something like some medieval medieval medieval treatment to you know antibiotic treatment to you know antibiotic treatment to you know antibiotic resistance or something and it was like resistance or something and it was like resistance or something and it was like all these components used in like all these components used in like all these components used in like chimp cherry sauce you know it was like chimp cherry sauce you know it was like chimp cherry sauce you know it was like garlic and basil and parsley and you garlic and basil and parsley and you garlic and basil and parsley and you know a lot of these plants do have know a lot of these plants do have know a lot of these plants do have anti-microbial activity you talked about anti-microbial activity you talked about anti-microbial activity you talked about it that the issue that you had with it that the issue that you had with it that the issue that you had with staff that you actually fixed with using staff that you actually fixed with using staff that you actually fixed with using the garlic the garlic the garlic on the actual infection this is a total on the actual infection this is a total on the actual infection this is a total anecdote and i had never tested the anecdote and i had never tested the anecdote and i had never tested the actual abscess to know if it was actual abscess to know if it was actual abscess to know if it was actually mrsa but my anecdote goes as
43:00actually mrsa but my anecdote goes as actually mrsa but my anecdote goes as this this this i came down with an abscess i came down with an abscess i came down with an abscess and and the first time i had it where was it the the first time i had it where was it the the first time i had it where was it the first one was like on my butt first one was like on my butt first one was like on my butt and that had to be like they like and that had to be like they like and that had to be like they like removed it and there was like like a removed it and there was like like a removed it and there was like like a couple of inch hole like it was like couple of inch hole like it was like couple of inch hole like it was like necrotic like it was bad necrotic like it was bad necrotic like it was bad and um and so that healed and um and so that healed and um and so that healed but it is our it's already been on my but it is our it's already been on my but it is our it's already been on my skin you know it travels around and so skin you know it travels around and so skin you know it travels around and so then i got it like then i got it like then i got it like in my pelvic region is that what happens in my pelvic region is that what happens in my pelvic region is that what happens it just once it's in your skin we've got it just once it's in your skin we've got it just once it's in your skin we've got all this stuff yeah once you get one all this stuff yeah once you get one all this stuff yeah once you get one like even if it's not mrsa whatever like even if it's not mrsa whatever like even if it's not mrsa whatever whatever this you know the staph you whatever this you know the staph you whatever this you know the staph you know staphylococcus aureus or whatever know staphylococcus aureus or whatever know staphylococcus aureus or whatever it's called um yeah it's all on your it's called um yeah it's all on your it's called um yeah it's all on your skin and um i think it also depends a skin and um i think it also depends a skin and um i think it also depends a lot on like your immune system fighting lot on like your immune system fighting lot on like your immune system fighting it off and this was i got this in grad it off and this was i got this in grad it off and this was i got this in grad school i was under a tremendous amount school i was under a tremendous amount school i was under a tremendous amount of stress like i was so stressed out i of stress like i was so stressed out i of stress like i was so stressed out i wasn't sleeping because i had you know i wasn't sleeping because i had you know i wasn't sleeping because i had you know i was just working my i was just working was just working my i was just working was just working my i was just working working working and and like stress big working working and and like stress big working working and and like stress big time like it was like time like it was like time like it was like i was getting sick a lot more often than
44:00i was getting sick a lot more often than i was getting sick a lot more often than you know it was just a bad you know it was just a bad you know it was just a bad you know ibs bad part anyways so then i you know ibs bad part anyways so then i you know ibs bad part anyways so then i got the another abscess in different got the another abscess in different got the another abscess in different regions closer to my pelvic region regions closer to my pelvic region regions closer to my pelvic region and and they gave me some antibiotics orally and they gave me some antibiotics orally and they gave me some antibiotics orally and then also some of this stuff called like then also some of this stuff called like then also some of this stuff called like muprosin muprosin muprosin a topical antibiotic a topical antibiotic a topical antibiotic and it you know would go away and it you know would go away and it you know would go away and then come back and then come back and then come back and it did this i got antibiotics again and it did this i got antibiotics again and it did this i got antibiotics again i did this like twice i did this like twice i did this like twice and at that point it was like what the and at that point it was like what the and at that point it was like what the hell like this isn't working hell like this isn't working hell like this isn't working and i started looking into the and i started looking into the and i started looking into the literature on okay is there like a literature on okay is there like a literature on okay is there like a combination of things i can do to combination of things i can do to combination of things i can do to potentially help impact this right potentially help impact this right potentially help impact this right and so you know you can find all sorts and so you know you can find all sorts and so you know you can find all sorts of those there's all sorts of compounds of those there's all sorts of compounds of those there's all sorts of compounds and various herbs and essential oils and and various herbs and essential oils and and various herbs and essential oils and things like that and so things like that and so things like that and so after doing a lot of reading i'd come up after doing a lot of reading i'd come up after doing a lot of reading i'd come up with some of the major ones were garlic with some of the major ones were garlic with some of the major ones were garlic and this garlic was both topical and and this garlic was both topical and and this garlic was both topical and oral oral oral i was also taking like i was also taking like i was also taking like oral vitamin c like once an hour to kind oral vitamin c like once an hour to kind oral vitamin c like once an hour to kind of help boost my immune system of help boost my immune system of help boost my immune system i don't know you know whether or not i don't know you know whether or not i don't know you know whether or not that did anything but um that was part
45:00that did anything but um that was part that did anything but um that was part of my my you know of my my you know of my my you know protocol protocol protocol and then on topical i was i put garlic and then on topical i was i put garlic and then on topical i was i put garlic so i would open up one of those garlic so i would open up one of those garlic so i would open up one of those garlic pills and then i did tea tree oil that pills and then i did tea tree oil that pills and then i did tea tree oil that was a big one that was showing to have was a big one that was showing to have was a big one that was showing to have like an effect particularly on mrsa like an effect particularly on mrsa like an effect particularly on mrsa and um so i was putting tea tree oil and and um so i was putting tea tree oil and and um so i was putting tea tree oil and then i was also taking grapefruit seed then i was also taking grapefruit seed then i was also taking grapefruit seed extract orally because that was shown to extract orally because that was shown to extract orally because that was shown to have an effect have an effect have an effect and i was taking egcg which is like from and i was taking egcg which is like from and i was taking egcg which is like from green tea it also was shown to have like green tea it also was shown to have like green tea it also was shown to have like these are all you know studies in vitro these are all you know studies in vitro these are all you know studies in vitro showing it has an effect on staff mrsa showing it has an effect on staff mrsa showing it has an effect on staff mrsa you know grain of salt it's like okay in you know grain of salt it's like okay in you know grain of salt it's like okay in vitro you put it on it it's like it vitro you put it on it it's like it vitro you put it on it it's like it kills it with a dose of explain in vitro kills it with a dose of explain in vitro kills it with a dose of explain in vitro to people that it's a cell culture yeah to people that it's a cell culture yeah to people that it's a cell culture yeah so you basically put something in cells so you basically put something in cells so you basically put something in cells that are in a petri dish you know so that are in a petri dish you know so that are in a petri dish you know so it's it's hard to it's it's hard to it's it's hard to extrapolate extrapolate extrapolate something like that to a human but i was something like that to a human but i was something like that to a human but i was desperate and you know it was like okay desperate and you know it was like okay desperate and you know it was like okay well i'm just gonna and i was taking well i'm just gonna and i was taking well i'm just gonna and i was taking this stuff like the oral stuff like the this stuff like the oral stuff like the this stuff like the oral stuff like the garlic and the grapefruit seed extract garlic and the grapefruit seed extract garlic and the grapefruit seed extract and i was taking it like every
46:00and i was taking it like every and i was taking it like every one to two hours is there any benefit to one to two hours is there any benefit to one to two hours is there any benefit to taking fresh garlic versus taking it in taking fresh garlic versus taking it in taking fresh garlic versus taking it in a pill form or even like using it as a pill form or even like using it as a pill form or even like using it as like you're saying you took the capsules like you're saying you took the capsules like you're saying you took the capsules would be there be benefit in taking would be there be benefit in taking would be there be benefit in taking actual real garlic well the garlic real actual real garlic well the garlic real actual real garlic well the garlic real garlic is great too and once this once garlic is great too and once this once garlic is great too and once this once it like this thing went away for good i it like this thing went away for good i it like this thing went away for good i was like oh garlic is the bomb you know was like oh garlic is the bomb you know was like oh garlic is the bomb you know so i would eat garlic any time i would so i would eat garlic any time i would so i would eat garlic any time i would feel any sort of sick or anything like feel any sort of sick or anything like feel any sort of sick or anything like that but the oil is highly concentrated that but the oil is highly concentrated that but the oil is highly concentrated you know what i mean you're like you know what i mean you're like you know what i mean you're like smashing down all the oils from the smashing down all the oils from the smashing down all the oils from the garlic so garlic so garlic so they're a cow it was a capsule with oil they're a cow it was a capsule with oil they're a cow it was a capsule with oil garlic oil okay yeah garlic powder garlic oil okay yeah garlic powder garlic oil okay yeah garlic powder garlic oil no it's not powder yeah it garlic oil no it's not powder yeah it garlic oil no it's not powder yeah it was garlic oil that i was doing at the was garlic oil that i was doing at the was garlic oil that i was doing at the time so you cut open the capsule and time so you cut open the capsule and time so you cut open the capsule and just put it on my website cut it open just put it on my website cut it open just put it on my website cut it open and i would put it on topically and it and i would put it on topically and it and i would put it on topically and it didn't smell good um along with the tea didn't smell good um along with the tea didn't smell good um along with the tea tree oil tree oil tree oil but um i was like determined i was like but um i was like determined i was like but um i was like determined i was like i'm gonna try this you know i'm gonna try this you know i'm gonna try this you know i i kind of in that way like i when i i i kind of in that way like i when i i i kind of in that way like i when i try something i'm like i'm gonna try it try something i'm like i'm gonna try it try something i'm like i'm gonna try it like i'm gonna really give it a shot like i'm gonna really give it a shot like i'm gonna really give it a shot like i'm gonna do it and so um so i was
47:00like i'm gonna do it and so um so i was like i'm gonna do it and so um so i was like yeah i stink whatever you know deal like yeah i stink whatever you know deal like yeah i stink whatever you know deal with it with it with it and it worked and it worked and it worked how long did it take to clear up really how long did it take to clear up really how long did it take to clear up really quick i mean i think my memory was quick i mean i think my memory was quick i mean i think my memory was something like two days for me to notice something like two days for me to notice something like two days for me to notice like two days it was like it like two days it was like it like two days it was like it pushed out pushed out pushed out so like the abscess like it like pussed so like the abscess like it like pussed so like the abscess like it like pussed out and out and out and like literally within like like literally within like like literally within like two days two days two days i think something like that where it i think something like that where it i think something like that where it just you know instead of just being this just you know instead of just being this just you know instead of just being this abscess that's not coming to a head and abscess that's not coming to a head and abscess that's not coming to a head and hurts and hurts and hurts and i started getting a patch of uh i started getting a patch of uh i started getting a patch of uh folliculitis from jiu jitsu which a lot folliculitis from jiu jitsu which a lot folliculitis from jiu jitsu which a lot of times people associate with staff of times people associate with staff of times people associate with staff when you see those little red bumps like when you see those little red bumps like when you see those little red bumps like where your hair falls or it was on my where your hair falls or it was on my where your hair falls or it was on my leg and i got pretty sketched out by it leg and i got pretty sketched out by it leg and i got pretty sketched out by it because i've had staff in the past but i because i've had staff in the past but i because i've had staff in the past but i killed it with topical spray there's killed it with topical spray there's killed it with topical spray there's defense soap which is a company that defense soap which is a company that defense soap which is a company that makes makes makes products specifically designed to products specifically designed to products specifically designed to prevent fungus infections for grapplers prevent fungus infections for grapplers prevent fungus infections for grapplers like like ringworm and help prevent staph
48:00ringworm and help prevent staph ringworm and help prevent staph infection all their stuff has like tea infection all their stuff has like tea infection all their stuff has like tea tree oil eucalyptus oil it's all like tree oil eucalyptus oil it's all like tree oil eucalyptus oil it's all like very healthy and they make like a spray very healthy and they make like a spray very healthy and they make like a spray for specific uh like for specific uh like for specific uh like ish issues like that when you have like ish issues like that when you have like ish issues like that when you have like a topical irritation and like something a topical irritation and like something a topical irritation and like something that's on the surface of your skin i that's on the surface of your skin i that's on the surface of your skin i managed to kill it but i was nervous managed to kill it but i was nervous managed to kill it but i was nervous because i've had staff twice and i was because i've had staff twice and i was because i've had staff twice and i was like ah [ __ ] here it comes right and it like ah [ __ ] here it comes right and it like ah [ __ ] here it comes right and it could it's like and you know it could be could it's like and you know it could be could it's like and you know it could be serious like it really could but i serious like it really could but i serious like it really could but i jumped on it quick jumped on it quick jumped on it quick and uh within a few days it was gone and uh within a few days it was gone and uh within a few days it was gone i've i've gotten folliculitis once i had i've i've gotten folliculitis once i had i've i've gotten folliculitis once i had when i was in grad school i was trying when i was in grad school i was trying when i was in grad school i was trying out that like out that like out that like indian threading of your eyebrows or indian threading of your eyebrows or indian threading of your eyebrows or whatever and whatever and whatever and have you heard of this it's like they do have you heard of this it's like they do have you heard of this it's like they do like instead of like plucking them with like instead of like plucking them with like instead of like plucking them with the tweezer i've got these italian the tweezer i've got these italian the tweezer i've got these italian eyebrows and they're like thick how big eyebrows and they're like thick how big eyebrows and they're like thick how big do they get do they get do they get um it's been a while um it's been a while um it's been a while no no i don't get the uni part but it's no no i don't get the uni part but it's no no i don't get the uni part but it's like it's like down on my eyelids like it's like down on my eyelids like it's like down on my eyelids [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] so um so um uh anyway so yeah i was in grad school
49:00uh anyway so yeah i was in grad school uh anyway so yeah i was in grad school and there was like a woman from india um and there was like a woman from india um and there was like a woman from india um she was in my lab and um she was this is she was in my lab and um she was this is she was in my lab and um she was this is the best thing it's like you know it's the best thing it's like you know it's the best thing it's like you know it's so much better than plucking him and so much better than plucking him and so much better than plucking him and whatever she convinced me to try it whatever she convinced me to try it whatever she convinced me to try it right so i went to some place and they right so i went to some place and they right so i went to some place and they do this like thread and they like get do this like thread and they like get do this like thread and they like get the hair and like do this thing where the hair and like do this thing where the hair and like do this thing where they like put it around the the hair for they like put it around the the hair for they like put it around the the hair for hair and pull it out hair and pull it out hair and pull it out and and it's supposed to be i don't i don't know it's supposed to be i don't i don't know it's supposed to be i don't i don't know what else how's that better than what else how's that better than what else how's that better than plucking you're plucking you're supposed plucking you're plucking you're supposed plucking you're plucking you're supposed to like they get it like at the root to like they get it like at the root to like they get it like at the root more and then yeah i don't know whatever more and then yeah i don't know whatever more and then yeah i don't know whatever i got [ __ ] up from it i got i got [ __ ] up from it i got i got [ __ ] up from it i got folliculitis and i was like i had a rash folliculitis and i was like i had a rash folliculitis and i was like i had a rash on my eyebrows like it was awful and of on my eyebrows like it was awful and of on my eyebrows like it was awful and of course me and my tea tree oil like course me and my tea tree oil like course me and my tea tree oil like especially at the time after i was like especially at the time after i was like especially at the time after i was like after i had like had that after i had like had that after i had like had that you know staph infection whatever it was you know staph infection whatever it was you know staph infection whatever it was go away it was like teacher oil anything go away it was like teacher oil anything go away it was like teacher oil anything any bump is it whatever teacher any bump is it whatever teacher any bump is it whatever teacher now i'm actually to be honest and it did now i'm actually to be honest and it did now i'm actually to be honest and it did help by the way but help by the way but help by the way but there's these studies coming out with there's these studies coming out with there's these studies coming out with tea tree oil like tea tree oil like tea tree oil like like like causing you know like changing hormones
50:00causing you know like changing hormones causing you know like changing hormones and like estrogen mimicking and so now and like estrogen mimicking and so now and like estrogen mimicking and so now i'm kind of like oh not too much tea i'm kind of like oh not too much tea i'm kind of like oh not too much tea tree oil estrogen mimicking meaning tree oil estrogen mimicking meaning tree oil estrogen mimicking meaning little elevate your estrogen like little elevate your estrogen like little elevate your estrogen like mimicking the biological action of mimicking the biological action of mimicking the biological action of estrogen estrogen estrogen it's called have you heard of like some it's called have you heard of like some it's called have you heard of like some of these guys getting like gyno master of these guys getting like gyno master of these guys getting like gyno master yeah what's it called yeah what's it called yeah what's it called yeah yeah gynomastica where they've got yeah yeah gynomastica where they've got yeah yeah gynomastica where they've got like like they get man boobs yeah yeah well um i they get man boobs yeah yeah well um i they get man boobs yeah yeah well um i think there's some think there's some think there's some preliminary there's some evidence preliminary there's some evidence preliminary there's some evidence linking like crazy tea tree oil used to linking like crazy tea tree oil used to linking like crazy tea tree oil used to to that too how much teacher of all to that too how much teacher of all to that too how much teacher of all these guys these guys these guys i don't know but this stuff i mean it i don't know but this stuff i mean it i don't know but this stuff i mean it gets it gets gets it gets gets it gets into your system too you know so maybe into your system too you know so maybe into your system too you know so maybe like they're rubbing it all over their like they're rubbing it all over their like they're rubbing it all over their body i don't know what they're doing body i don't know what they're doing body i don't know what they're doing [ __ ] hippies [ __ ] hippies [ __ ] hippies they ruin everything they ruin everything they ruin everything even good things yeah so i even good things yeah so i even good things yeah so i so i've i've sort of now it's like okay so i've i've sort of now it's like okay so i've i've sort of now it's like okay the teacher oil comes out like if the teacher oil comes out like if the teacher oil comes out like if there's some little bump it's like okay there's some little bump it's like okay there's some little bump it's like okay i get tea tree oil but i'm not like i'm i get tea tree oil but i'm not like i'm i get tea tree oil but i'm not like i'm like crazy like crazy like crazy about it right yeah makes sense so you about it right yeah makes sense so you about it right yeah makes sense so you know yeah i think gyno maska though it's
51:00know yeah i think gyno maska though it's know yeah i think gyno maska though it's like pretty extreme i think when guys like pretty extreme i think when guys like pretty extreme i think when guys get it's usually get it's usually get it's usually if it's not from some sort of strange if it's not from some sort of strange if it's not from some sort of strange hormone imbalance it's usually from hormone imbalance it's usually from hormone imbalance it's usually from using steroids because they use steroids using steroids because they use steroids using steroids because they use steroids and there's so much they take so much and there's so much they take so much and there's so much they take so much testosterone that their body expresses testosterone that their body expresses testosterone that their body expresses um i don't think it's just i don't think um i don't think it's just i don't think um i don't think it's just i don't think it's just estrogen it's uh something it's just estrogen it's uh something it's just estrogen it's uh something else too else too else too there was actually i was watching a there was actually i was watching a there was actually i was watching a video on it it is horrific when they video on it it is horrific when they video on it it is horrific when they remove it remove it remove it oh my god it looks like the little thing oh my god it looks like the little thing oh my god it looks like the little thing from alien from alien from alien that comes bursting out of your chest i that comes bursting out of your chest i that comes bursting out of your chest i thought it would just be fluid it's not thought it would just be fluid it's not thought it would just be fluid it's not fluid it's a mass fluid it's a mass fluid it's a mass it's a big it's a big it's a big thick meaty mass and there's videos of thick meaty mass and there's videos of thick meaty mass and there's videos of guys getting their gynomastica removed guys getting their gynomastica removed guys getting their gynomastica removed it's basically like there's a whole it's basically like there's a whole it's basically like there's a whole culture on youtube of like these steroid culture on youtube of like these steroid culture on youtube of like these steroid guys guys guys you know that like show all the damage you know that like show all the damage you know that like show all the damage that they've done to their body through that they've done to their body through that they've done to their body through steroids and one of them is guys that steroids and one of them is guys that steroids and one of them is guys that have had their boobs cut open to take have had their boobs cut open to take have had their boobs cut open to take out this gynomastica and it's just these
52:00out this gynomastica and it's just these out this gynomastica and it's just these big pulpy big pulpy big pulpy looking pull it up jamie trying not to dare you trying not to dare you you need to see it because it's crazy you need to see it because it's crazy you need to see it because it's crazy because people need to see it because uh because people need to see it because uh because people need to see it because uh is it fat yeah is it like it's i don't is it fat yeah is it like it's i don't is it fat yeah is it like it's i don't know it's it's some kind of breast know it's it's some kind of breast know it's it's some kind of breast tissue tissue tissue but it's breast tissue like a boob like but it's breast tissue like a boob like but it's breast tissue like a boob like an actual like yeah i've seen them an actual like yeah i've seen them an actual like yeah i've seen them before yeah i think they look they look before yeah i think they look they look before yeah i think they look they look like it for sure yes yeah like it for sure yes yeah like it for sure yes yeah there was a guy who fought in the ufc there was a guy who fought in the ufc there was a guy who fought in the ufc way back in the day who had it and he way back in the day who had it and he way back in the day who had it and he had it bad and then he got it removed had it bad and then he got it removed had it bad and then he got it removed and then he looked normal after it but i and then he looked normal after it but i and then he looked normal after it but i mean he mean he mean he he had like boobs that's the only one i he had like boobs that's the only one i he had like boobs that's the only one i could find with the thing um yeah but could find with the thing um yeah but could find with the thing um yeah but that is nothing that's just that is nothing that's just that is nothing that's just holes holes holes if you can show a video of them see that if you can show a video of them see that if you can show a video of them see that stuff in the right hand corner that's it stuff in the right hand corner that's it stuff in the right hand corner that's it that's what it looks like oh yeah click that's what it looks like oh yeah click that's what it looks like oh yeah click on that on that on that like that's what it looks like it does like that's what it looks like it does like that's what it looks like it does look like fat it's like these giant look like fat it's like these giant look like fat it's like these giant glands glands glands yeah right there gynomastic a huge yeah right there gynomastic a huge yeah right there gynomastic a huge glance that fell in the middle oh look
53:00glance that fell in the middle oh look glance that fell in the middle oh look at that i mean these are huge things at that i mean these are huge things at that i mean these are huge things that they're pulling out of these guys that they're pulling out of these guys that they're pulling out of these guys boobs boobs boobs yeah there's another it's not just um there's another it's not just um estrogen that's causing this it's estrogen that's causing this it's estrogen that's causing this it's something else and i don't think by the something else and i don't think by the something else and i don't think by the way i don't think tea tree oil is the way i don't think tea tree oil is the way i don't think tea tree oil is the only thing causing it either only thing causing it either only thing causing it either to be clear well especially something to be clear well especially something to be clear well especially something like that yeah i'm pretty sure that is like that yeah i'm pretty sure that is like that yeah i'm pretty sure that is unless it's like coming from some unless it's like coming from some unless it's like coming from some strange um you know weird hormonal strange um you know weird hormonal strange um you know weird hormonal imbalance just it's a natural imbalance just it's a natural imbalance just it's a natural irregularity irregularity irregularity irregularity of the body it's coming irregularity of the body it's coming irregularity of the body it's coming from steroids it's very common with guys from steroids it's very common with guys from steroids it's very common with guys who've done a lot of steroids wow they who've done a lot of steroids wow they who've done a lot of steroids wow they have to do a lot though you know you have to do a lot though you know you have to do a lot though you know you have to get you get crazy and then these have to get you get crazy and then these have to get you get crazy and then these things grow things grow things grow yeah they are boobs yeah they are boobs yeah they are boobs yeah they they definitely are like yeah they they definitely are like yeah they they definitely are like lavender oil is another one that's been lavender oil is another one that's been lavender oil is another one that's been shown to have like oh really the hormone shown to have like oh really the hormone shown to have like oh really the hormone disrupting effects yeah so like disrupting effects yeah so like disrupting effects yeah so like that makes sense because that's like that makes sense because that's like that makes sense because that's like associated with ladies associated with ladies associated with ladies like ladies putting the lavender oil on like ladies putting the lavender oil on like ladies putting the lavender oil on right all i know is i've well lavender i right all i know is i've well lavender i right all i know is i've well lavender i mean it kind of has this
54:00mean it kind of has this mean it kind of has this calming calming calming effect you know like aromatherapy you effect you know like aromatherapy you effect you know like aromatherapy you know you breathe it in and it's do you know you breathe it in and it's do you know you breathe it in and it's do you ever do put lavender oil in the sauna ever do put lavender oil in the sauna ever do put lavender oil in the sauna when you're in there no i do do when you're in there no i do do when you're in there no i do do eucalyptus though yeah yeah well that's eucalyptus though yeah yeah well that's eucalyptus though yeah yeah well that's like helps you breathe but there's the like helps you breathe but there's the like helps you breathe but there's the last help last help last help well well well i mean i mean it seems like it yeah it seems like it yeah it seems like it yeah yeah i'm uh yeah i'm uh yeah i'm uh i have become absolutely obsessed with i have become absolutely obsessed with i have become absolutely obsessed with sauna use over the last like i guess it sauna use over the last like i guess it sauna use over the last like i guess it started because of you started because of you started because of you and then over the last like through the and then over the last like through the and then over the last like through the pandemic the last year and a half or so pandemic the last year and a half or so pandemic the last year and a half or so i'm in every day i'm in every day i'm in every day every single day like it's very rare every single day like it's very rare every single day like it's very rare that i take a day off i mean i have to that i take a day off i mean i have to that i take a day off i mean i have to be wrecked to take a day off of sauna be wrecked to take a day off of sauna be wrecked to take a day off of sauna use damn you're getting all the benefits use damn you're getting all the benefits use damn you're getting all the benefits yeah even when i come home at night like yeah even when i come home at night like yeah even when i come home at night like last night i had a show and i'm out with last night i had a show and i'm out with last night i had a show and i'm out with all these all these all these [ __ ] weirdos with no masks on so i'm [ __ ] weirdos with no masks on so i'm [ __ ] weirdos with no masks on so i'm like as soon as i got home i cooked like as soon as i got home i cooked like as soon as i got home i cooked myself myself myself i cook myself like 15 20 minutes at 185 i cook myself like 15 20 minutes at 185 i cook myself like 15 20 minutes at 185 degrees and just deep breaths and you degrees and just deep breaths and you degrees and just deep breaths and you know there's that paper that i sent you
55:00know there's that paper that i sent you know there's that paper that i sent you about uh covid19 and um you know the about uh covid19 and um you know the about uh covid19 and um you know the therapeutic uh intervention of using therapeutic uh intervention of using therapeutic uh intervention of using sauna sauna sauna and this idea that and this idea that and this idea that when your body heats up like that like when your body heats up like that like when your body heats up like that like you're trying to kill off a virus when you're trying to kill off a virus when you're trying to kill off a virus when you're when you're sick if you're sick you're when you're sick if you're sick you're when you're sick if you're sick with a viral infection and your body with a viral infection and your body with a viral infection and your body gets a fever your body is trying to kill gets a fever your body is trying to kill gets a fever your body is trying to kill that and this idea this paper is you that and this idea this paper is you that and this idea this paper is you know exploring the use of sauna to know exploring the use of sauna to know exploring the use of sauna to intervene to stop it from ever getting intervene to stop it from ever getting intervene to stop it from ever getting infecting infecting infecting from ever infecting your body from ever infecting your body from ever infecting your body both through your nasal passages through both through your nasal passages through both through your nasal passages through your through your airway and also just your through your airway and also just your through your airway and also just through the actual heating of the body through the actual heating of the body through the actual heating of the body right yeah there's a there's a fever right yeah there's a there's a fever right yeah there's a there's a fever response that is induced response that is induced response that is induced like when you have an infection and and like when you have an infection and and like when you have an infection and and part of that is part of that is part of that is to help fight off to help fight off to help fight off you know the pathogen as well because you know the pathogen as well because you know the pathogen as well because the pathogen can only exist in a certain the pathogen can only exist in a certain the pathogen can only exist in a certain temperature range right part partly yeah temperature range right part partly yeah temperature range right part partly yeah i mean there's there's multiple i mean there's there's multiple i mean there's there's multiple mechanisms that also activates heat mechanisms that also activates heat mechanisms that also activates heat shock proteins shock proteins shock proteins and heat shock proteins having a role in
56:00and heat shock proteins having a role in and heat shock proteins having a role in in your immune system response and how in your immune system response and how in your immune system response and how your immune system responds so it like your immune system responds so it like your immune system responds so it like you know it plays a role particularly in you know it plays a role particularly in you know it plays a role particularly in innate immunity innate immunity innate immunity um which is the kind of immunity that is um which is the kind of immunity that is um which is the kind of immunity that is important when you first see a pathogen important when you first see a pathogen important when you first see a pathogen that you've never seen before this isn't that you've never seen before this isn't that you've never seen before this isn't like an antibody type of response it's like an antibody type of response it's like an antibody type of response it's like killing of it you know before that like killing of it you know before that like killing of it you know before that um but there's some interesting evidence um but there's some interesting evidence um but there's some interesting evidence i'm sure i've talked we've talked about i'm sure i've talked we've talked about i'm sure i've talked we've talked about this coming out of dr yari alcanin's lab this coming out of dr yari alcanin's lab this coming out of dr yari alcanin's lab in in in finland finland finland this was a few years ago where he he this was a few years ago where he he this was a few years ago where he he looked at looked at looked at sauna use and like incidents of sauna use and like incidents of sauna use and like incidents of pneumonia pneumonia pneumonia and people that like so in finland and people that like so in finland and people that like so in finland saunas are ubiquitous you know most saunas are ubiquitous you know most saunas are ubiquitous you know most people have one at their house most people have one at their house most people have one at their house most people use it at least once you know people use it at least once you know people use it at least once you know at least once a week at least once a week at least once a week but then you have people that are using but then you have people that are using but then you have people that are using it like two to three or four to seven so it like two to three or four to seven so it like two to three or four to seven so he always kind of stratifies the the he always kind of stratifies the the he always kind of stratifies the the data based on like frequency of use and data based on like frequency of use and data based on like frequency of use and he found that people that use the sauna he found that people that use the sauna he found that people that use the sauna four to seven times a week were forty four to seven times a week were forty four to seven times a week were forty percent less likely to get pneumonia and percent less likely to get pneumonia and percent less likely to get pneumonia and this was after like correcting for this was after like correcting for this was after like correcting for all sorts of like other lung diseases
57:00all sorts of like other lung diseases all sorts of like other lung diseases and other health factors and and other health factors and and other health factors and exercise and all that stuff you know at exercise and all that stuff you know at exercise and all that stuff you know at the end of the day it's a correlative the end of the day it's a correlative the end of the day it's a correlative study right i mean so but um study right i mean so but um study right i mean so but um i thought that was interesting because i thought that was interesting because i thought that was interesting because there's also like all these other there's also like all these other there's also like all these other studies that have been done in like the studies that have been done in like the studies that have been done in like the 80s 80s 80s looking at the effects of the sauna on looking at the effects of the sauna on looking at the effects of the sauna on the lung function the lung function the lung function and like helping with and like helping with and like helping with you know like a variety of factors of you know like a variety of factors of you know like a variety of factors of lung function so lung function so lung function so it's interesting there's probably like it's interesting there's probably like it's interesting there's probably like lots of things going on lots of things going on lots of things going on um as well and as i just gave you my um as well and as i just gave you my um as well and as i just gave you my paper today paper today paper today uh with was published with my co-author uh with was published with my co-author uh with was published with my co-author teresa johnson um in the teresa johnson um in the teresa johnson um in the the journal experimental gerontology we the journal experimental gerontology we the journal experimental gerontology we argue argue argue that if the title is sauna that if the title is sauna that if the title is sauna use as a lifestyle to use as a lifestyle to use as a lifestyle to increase health span increase health span increase health span which basically refers to which basically refers to which basically refers to the disease-free part of your life so in the disease-free part of your life so in the disease-free part of your life so in other words you know like you as you age other words you know like you as you age other words you know like you as you age you become more susceptible to things you become more susceptible to things you become more susceptible to things like like you know cancer alzheimer's disease
58:00you know cancer alzheimer's disease you know cancer alzheimer's disease heart disease respiratory problems all heart disease respiratory problems all heart disease respiratory problems all that stuff and so that stuff and so that stuff and so we argue that that sauna use should be we argue that that sauna use should be we argue that that sauna use should be up there with things like exercise and up there with things like exercise and up there with things like exercise and good sleep and good diet you know things good sleep and good diet you know things good sleep and good diet you know things that are known to to improve your that are known to to improve your that are known to to improve your quality of life and just tons of quality of life and just tons of quality of life and just tons of evidence things that we've talked about evidence things that we've talked about evidence things that we've talked about before but um you know talking about the before but um you know talking about the before but um you know talking about the cardiovascular disease improvements how cardiovascular disease improvements how cardiovascular disease improvements how sauna but one of the things i'm most sauna but one of the things i'm most sauna but one of the things i'm most excited about like i've been getting my excited about like i've been getting my excited about like i've been getting my mom in the sauna mom in the sauna mom in the sauna and she's been sedentary and she's been sedentary and she's been sedentary you know like her whole life basically you know like her whole life basically you know like her whole life basically she's overweight and like there's no she's overweight and like there's no she's overweight and like there's no there's no getting her on a peloton there's no getting her on a peloton there's no getting her on a peloton there's no getting her to go for a jog there's no getting her to go for a jog there's no getting her to go for a jog like it's just not gonna happen maybe like it's just not gonna happen maybe like it's just not gonna happen maybe once but like it's just not gonna happen once but like it's just not gonna happen once but like it's just not gonna happen and so um i'm trying to get her in the and so um i'm trying to get her in the and so um i'm trying to get her in the sauna because i'm trying to improve her sauna because i'm trying to improve her sauna because i'm trying to improve her health some way right and health some way right and health some way right and you know you know it's it's a lot easier for people at it's it's a lot easier for people at it's it's a lot easier for people at least i've noticed with my mom you know least i've noticed with my mom you know least i've noticed with my mom you know who's who's who's views it as like a spa treatment you views it as like a spa treatment you views it as like a spa treatment you know she goes in there and puts some hot know she goes in there and puts some hot know she goes in there and puts some hot water i mean put some cold water on the water i mean put some cold water on the water i mean put some cold water on the hot rocks and hot rocks and hot rocks and it's kind of like a steam room like she
59:00it's kind of like a steam room like she it's kind of like a steam room like she feels like it's a spa but she's also feels like it's a spa but she's also feels like it's a spa but she's also getting you know the sauna mimicking getting you know the sauna mimicking getting you know the sauna mimicking cardiovascular cardiovascular cardiovascular moderate cardiovascular exercise like moderate cardiovascular exercise like moderate cardiovascular exercise like that's what it does and we talk all that's what it does and we talk all that's what it does and we talk all about that in the paper about that in the paper about that in the paper um um but you know so so people that are like but you know so so people that are like but you know so so people that are like sedentary and have been sedentary their sedentary and have been sedentary their sedentary and have been sedentary their whole life and also people that whole life and also people that whole life and also people that are disabled like there are some people are disabled like there are some people are disabled like there are some people that can't go for a run there are people that can't go for a run there are people that can't go for a run there are people that can't even get on a peloton like that can't even get on a peloton like that can't even get on a peloton like they're disabled and they can't do they're disabled and they can't do they're disabled and they can't do aerobic exercise like this to me is like aerobic exercise like this to me is like aerobic exercise like this to me is like a no-brainer yeah a no-brainer i mean a no-brainer yeah a no-brainer i mean a no-brainer yeah a no-brainer i mean granted there are some contraindications granted there are some contraindications granted there are some contraindications like certain if you have certain um like certain if you have certain um like certain if you have certain um particularly certain like heart certain particularly certain like heart certain particularly certain like heart certain heart disease risks um heart disease risks um heart disease risks um that could be a contraindication meaning that could be a contraindication meaning that could be a contraindication meaning you shouldn't do it you shouldn't do it you shouldn't do it but by and large it you know improves a but by and large it you know improves a but by and large it you know improves a lot of cardiovascular things can you lot of cardiovascular things can you lot of cardiovascular things can you mitigate those risks by having a mitigate those risks by having a mitigate those risks by having a slightly lower temperature like instead slightly lower temperature like instead slightly lower temperature like instead of like going to 185 maybe going to 160 of like going to 185 maybe going to 160 of like going to 185 maybe going to 160 or something like that where it's a more or something like that where it's a more or something like that where it's a more mild form of heat right i don't know
1:00mild form of heat right i don't know mild form of heat right i don't know i know that like to me that would make i know that like to me that would make i know that like to me that would make sense and this was you have to like sense and this was you have to like sense and this was you have to like discuss this with your physician but discuss this with your physician but discuss this with your physician but like for example people that have like like for example people that have like like for example people that have like arrhythmias arrhythmias arrhythmias there could be a very mild there could be a very mild there could be a very mild contraindication with arrhythmias and so contraindication with arrhythmias and so contraindication with arrhythmias and so the question is you know the question is you know the question is you know would would would a lower temperature like 165 which is a lower temperature like 165 which is a lower temperature like 165 which is what i've been doing for my mom like what i've been doing for my mom like what i've been doing for my mom like mostly because she's not adapted to the mostly because she's not adapted to the mostly because she's not adapted to the heat at all and so like you have to heat at all and so like you have to heat at all and so like you have to adapt before you can like do 20 minutes adapt before you can like do 20 minutes adapt before you can like do 20 minutes at 185 you know like it takes takes a at 185 you know like it takes takes a at 185 you know like it takes takes a while for people that aren't used to while for people that aren't used to while for people that aren't used to even raising their core body temperature even raising their core body temperature even raising their core body temperature when they're exercising you know so when they're exercising you know so when they're exercising you know so again that's mimicking it's mimicking a again that's mimicking it's mimicking a again that's mimicking it's mimicking a lot of the physiological aspects lot of the physiological aspects lot of the physiological aspects including that chloride core body including that chloride core body including that chloride core body temperature going up you know the the temperature going up you know the the temperature going up you know the the blood flow changes going to your skin blood flow changes going to your skin blood flow changes going to your skin and sweating and sweating and sweating heart rate you know your heart rate is heart rate you know your heart rate is heart rate you know your heart rate is elevated while you're in the sauna and elevated while you're in the sauna and elevated while you're in the sauna and then and then blood pressure goes down then and then blood pressure goes down then and then blood pressure goes down after like these things have been after like these things have been after like these things have been compared head to head so it does mimic compared head to head so it does mimic compared head to head so it does mimic moderate aerobic activity and it's like moderate aerobic activity and it's like moderate aerobic activity and it's like the only way that i'm able to get my mom the only way that i'm able to get my mom
1:01the only way that i'm able to get my mom in there in there in there and then there's like the brain benefits and then there's like the brain benefits and then there's like the brain benefits you know and this is something um you know and this is something um you know and this is something um people people that are are depressed people people that are are depressed people people that are are depressed like my mom actually has she's been like my mom actually has she's been like my mom actually has she's been diagnosed with major depressive disorder diagnosed with major depressive disorder diagnosed with major depressive disorder and um you know you look at a she's got and um you know you look at a she's got and um you know you look at a she's got a variety of snips like prop like there a variety of snips like prop like there a variety of snips like prop like there are certain snips that she has that are are certain snips that she has that are are certain snips that she has that are you know consistent like in the you know consistent like in the you know consistent like in the serotonin transporter and things like serotonin transporter and things like serotonin transporter and things like that you can look and see like there that you can look and see like there that you can look and see like there you know there's evidence that she has you know there's evidence that she has you know there's evidence that she has things that have been linked to like you things that have been linked to like you things that have been linked to like you know know major depressive disorder major depressive disorder major depressive disorder and also she's had a lifetime of being and also she's had a lifetime of being and also she's had a lifetime of being inactive and there's a lot of inactive and there's a lot of inactive and there's a lot of environmental factors at play you know environmental factors at play you know environmental factors at play you know like drinking cokes like refined sugar like drinking cokes like refined sugar like drinking cokes like refined sugar you know i mean that's you know i mean that's you know i mean that's inflammation but um there's been some inflammation but um there's been some inflammation but um there's been some evidence from dr charles raison he was evidence from dr charles raison he was evidence from dr charles raison he was the first to show the first to show the first to show that like a single that like a single that like a single what they called whole body hyperthermia what they called whole body hyperthermia what they called whole body hyperthermia which is basically they were using this which is basically they were using this which is basically they were using this really expensive device to elevate really expensive device to elevate really expensive device to elevate people's core body temperature to like a people's core body temperature to like a people's core body temperature to like a hundred and one degrees fahrenheit i hundred and one degrees fahrenheit i hundred and one degrees fahrenheit i mean they were doing a fever i mean they mean they were doing a fever i mean they mean they were doing a fever i mean they were getting hot
1:02were getting hot were getting hot and they had a sham control people that and they had a sham control people that and they had a sham control people that were were were they were elevating their core body they were elevating their core body they were elevating their core body temperature a little bit so they thought temperature a little bit so they thought temperature a little bit so they thought they were getting the treatment but they they were getting the treatment but they they were getting the treatment but they weren't so it was it was how are they weren't so it was it was how are they weren't so it was it was how are they elevating the core body temperature elevating the core body temperature elevating the core body temperature there was it's it's kind of like some there was it's it's kind of like some there was it's it's kind of like some it's called the heckle device it's like it's called the heckle device it's like it's called the heckle device it's like this crazy thing that it's kind of this crazy thing that it's kind of this crazy thing that it's kind of infraredish like where it's doing it infraredish like where it's doing it infraredish like where it's doing it like through like that like what an like through like that like what an like through like that like what an infrared sauna would do basically infrared sauna would do basically infrared sauna would do basically um um and and and so they did this in the in the and so they did this in the in the and so they did this in the in the people that were in the sham control people that were in the sham control people that were in the sham control group which is kind of like the placebo group which is kind of like the placebo group which is kind of like the placebo in a way and so 70 of those people in in a way and so 70 of those people in in a way and so 70 of those people in that group actually thought they were that group actually thought they were that group actually thought they were getting the treatment so it was a getting the treatment so it was a getting the treatment so it was a wonderful placebo because with anything wonderful placebo because with anything wonderful placebo because with anything depression like placebo effect is a very depression like placebo effect is a very depression like placebo effect is a very real thing and people know they're real thing and people know they're real thing and people know they're getting a treatment they're going to getting a treatment they're going to getting a treatment they're going to feel better like yeah this works you feel better like yeah this works you feel better like yeah this works you know so it's important to have that know so it's important to have that know so it's important to have that control control control um and they showed just one um and they showed just one um and they showed just one like one exposure to this there was a like one exposure to this there was a like one exposure to this there was a huge antidepressant effect that lasted huge antidepressant effect that lasted huge antidepressant effect that lasted six weeks six weeks six weeks one one session one session one session one one session one session one session one one session one session one session and
1:03and the mechanism for this is completely the mechanism for this is completely the mechanism for this is completely unknown uh we we talk a like teresa and unknown uh we we talk a like teresa and unknown uh we we talk a like teresa and i talk a little bit about this in in our i talk a little bit about this in in our i talk a little bit about this in in our recent publication recent publication recent publication um but um but um but it's also a topic page on my website it's also a topic page on my website it's also a topic page on my website it's the sauna like we have like a it's the sauna like we have like a it's the sauna like we have like a 20-something page you know article that 20-something page you know article that 20-something page you know article that is a lot of this on the website is a lot of this on the website is a lot of this on the website um but um but part of it could be like there's a part of it could be like there's a part of it could be like there's a million things so here's the thing million things so here's the thing million things so here's the thing there's a new so dr ashley mason there's a new so dr ashley mason there's a new so dr ashley mason she is at ucsf and she specializes in she is at ucsf and she specializes in she is at ucsf and she specializes in non-pharmacological treatments for non-pharmacological treatments for non-pharmacological treatments for depression or sleep and she actually depression or sleep and she actually depression or sleep and she actually trained with dr charles rayson and she trained with dr charles rayson and she trained with dr charles rayson and she sort of carried on the torch sort of carried on the torch sort of carried on the torch and i'm collaborating with her now which and i'm collaborating with her now which and i'm collaborating with her now which is really cool on um is really cool on um is really cool on um on a clinical trial where she's on a clinical trial where she's on a clinical trial where she's basically basically basically taken taken taken forget that device like issue is like forget that device like issue is like forget that device like issue is like fifty thousand dollars it's like all fifty thousand dollars it's like all fifty thousand dollars it's like all this fda tape and like to get it and this fda tape and like to get it and this fda tape and like to get it and like use it and so she's like found a like use it and so she's like found a like use it and so she's like found a way to basically way to basically way to basically get an infrared sauna where people are get an infrared sauna where people are get an infrared sauna where people are laying in this like tent with their head
1:04laying in this like tent with their head laying in this like tent with their head out out and they're in there for a a long time they're in there for a a long time they're in there for a a long time and um they're measuring their rectal and um they're measuring their rectal and um they're measuring their rectal temperature and making sure they get up temperature and making sure they get up temperature and making sure they get up to like 101 and it's like a silicone to like 101 and it's like a silicone to like 101 and it's like a silicone probe it's really easy to you know it's probe it's really easy to you know it's probe it's really easy to you know it's not like uncomfortable but these people not like uncomfortable but these people not like uncomfortable but these people are getting hot they're getting so hot are getting hot they're getting so hot are getting hot they're getting so hot that like that like that like you know technicians are having to like you know technicians are having to like you know technicians are having to like cool them down with wet towels you know cool them down with wet towels you know cool them down with wet towels you know and like while they're in this thing and like while they're in this thing and like while they're in this thing because they have to be in to that because they have to be in to that because they have to be in to that degree where they're they're getting degree where they're they're getting degree where they're they're getting like pulling their head so they're like pulling their head so they're like pulling their head so they're cooling their head yeah but but she's cooling their head yeah but but she's cooling their head yeah but but she's done a proof of principle study on done a proof of principle study on done a proof of principle study on people that are not depressed that shows people that are not depressed that shows people that are not depressed that shows that it's like not dangerous basically that it's like not dangerous basically that it's like not dangerous basically it's not dangerous people will do it and it's not dangerous people will do it and it's not dangerous people will do it and that's kind of like you have to like that's kind of like you have to like that's kind of like you have to like show that before you can like go on to show that before you can like go on to show that before you can like go on to the next step and use it as a potential the next step and use it as a potential the next step and use it as a potential clinical treatment for depression so now clinical treatment for depression so now clinical treatment for depression so now the study the study the study that that she's going to be starting any to any she's going to be starting any to any she's going to be starting any to any day day day which i'm collaborating with her on is which i'm collaborating with her on is which i'm collaborating with her on is she's going to be recruiting clinically she's going to be recruiting clinically she's going to be recruiting clinically depressed depressed depressed patients or participants patients or participants patients or participants and and giving them this treatment and and and giving them this treatment and and and giving them this treatment and it's going to be a dose escalation in
1:05it's going to be a dose escalation in it's going to be a dose escalation in other words she's going to try to do it other words she's going to try to do it other words she's going to try to do it at least eight weeks i mentioned the at least eight weeks i mentioned the at least eight weeks i mentioned the first one was one time so once a week first one was one time so once a week first one was one time so once a week for eight weeks for eight weeks for eight weeks so they're gonna be you know see if they so they're gonna be you know see if they so they're gonna be you know see if they can even do this like if they can handle can even do this like if they can handle can even do this like if they can handle it right it right it right and um she's gonna combine it with and um she's gonna combine it with and um she's gonna combine it with cognitive behavioral therapy cbt because cognitive behavioral therapy cbt because cognitive behavioral therapy cbt because that's a known treatment to help with that's a known treatment to help with that's a known treatment to help with depression and you can't start any study depression and you can't start any study depression and you can't start any study without giving like a treatment that's without giving like a treatment that's without giving like a treatment that's known to work because it's like known to work because it's like known to work because it's like unethical unethical unethical but what i'm excited about is the but what i'm excited about is the but what i'm excited about is the biomarkers that we're gonna measure like biomarkers that we're gonna measure like biomarkers that we're gonna measure like you know you know brain derived neurotrophic factor that's brain derived neurotrophic factor that's brain derived neurotrophic factor that's been shown to play a role in depression been shown to play a role in depression been shown to play a role in depression um and it's one of the major things like um and it's one of the major things like um and it's one of the major things like exercise increases it and there's been exercise increases it and there's been exercise increases it and there's been studies showing hot baths increased studies showing hot baths increased studies showing hot baths increased brain derived neurotrophic factor bdnf brain derived neurotrophic factor bdnf brain derived neurotrophic factor bdnf um so you know it's like well let's see let's you know it's like well let's see let's you know it's like well let's see let's see if the sun is doing that like that see if the sun is doing that like that see if the sun is doing that like that would be one potential mechanism and would be one potential mechanism and would be one potential mechanism and then there's a variety of other then there's a variety of other then there's a variety of other heat shock proteins they've been shown heat shock proteins they've been shown heat shock proteins they've been shown to play a role in to play a role in to play a role in mood and animal studies mood and animal studies mood and animal studies and a variety of inflammatory biomarkers and a variety of inflammatory biomarkers and a variety of inflammatory biomarkers because what was interesting about that because what was interesting about that because what was interesting about that pilot study by dr charles reizon was
1:06pilot study by dr charles reizon was pilot study by dr charles reizon was that he found the people that had the that he found the people that had the that he found the people that had the most robust antidepressant effect most robust antidepressant effect most robust antidepressant effect had higher levels of something called had higher levels of something called had higher levels of something called il-6 il-6 il-6 il-6 is a cytokine it's it's kind of il-6 is a cytokine it's it's kind of il-6 is a cytokine it's it's kind of often referred to as like a janus often referred to as like a janus often referred to as like a janus cytokine because it's like both pro and cytokine because it's like both pro and cytokine because it's like both pro and anti-inflammatory it has like both anti-inflammatory it has like both anti-inflammatory it has like both effects effects it's it's something that is you know it's it's something that is you know it's it's something that is you know elevated when you exercise elevated when you exercise elevated when you exercise and um you know there's a robust and um you know there's a robust and um you know there's a robust anti-inflammatory response in some cases anti-inflammatory response in some cases anti-inflammatory response in some cases like il-10 and things that are like il-10 and things that are like il-10 and things that are anti-inflammatory anyways he found anti-inflammatory anyways he found anti-inflammatory anyways he found people that had the highest levels of people that had the highest levels of people that had the highest levels of il-6 tend to have them have the most il-6 tend to have them have the most il-6 tend to have them have the most robust effects of the sauna robust effects of the sauna robust effects of the sauna so so a variety of interesting things super a variety of interesting things super a variety of interesting things super exciting because like you know like if exciting because like you know like if exciting because like you know like if this could be a potential treatment this could be a potential treatment this could be a potential treatment getting people and like i know you and i getting people and like i know you and i getting people and like i know you and i have talked about this like probably a have talked about this like probably a have talked about this like probably a million times but like getting depressed million times but like getting depressed million times but like getting depressed people to go exercise people to go exercise people to go exercise like is not easy right like they don't like is not easy right like they don't like is not easy right like they don't have that motivation yeah but i've have that motivation yeah but i've have that motivation yeah but i've experienced that so like imagine if you experienced that so like imagine if you experienced that so like imagine if you could just put them in a sauna right and
1:07could just put them in a sauna right and could just put them in a sauna right and it would have a similar effect it would have a similar effect it would have a similar effect in theory we don't know yet i mean you in theory we don't know yet i mean you in theory we don't know yet i mean you know what how much body type what do you know what how much body type what do you know what how much body type what do you think your body temperature's getting to think your body temperature's getting to think your body temperature's getting to if you're at like what i do which is if you're at like what i do which is if you're at like what i do which is like 185 degrees for 20-25 minutes like 185 degrees for 20-25 minutes like 185 degrees for 20-25 minutes it gets rough right it gets rough right it gets rough right especially at 25 minutes the last five especially at 25 minutes the last five especially at 25 minutes the last five minutes are really hard minutes are really hard minutes are really hard yeah so i asked dr mason about this um yeah so i asked dr mason about this um yeah so i asked dr mason about this um because because because she's like gone around into different she's like gone around into different she's like gone around into different like bonyas and stuff in san francisco like bonyas and stuff in san francisco like bonyas and stuff in san francisco and like had her friends like and like had her friends like and like had her friends like trying to like get the rectal trying to like get the rectal trying to like get the rectal thermometer and see like do this or do thermometer and see like do this or do thermometer and see like do this or do that the problem is like you know people that the problem is like you know people that the problem is like you know people don't trust you at a sauna with a rectal don't trust you at a sauna with a rectal don't trust you at a sauna with a rectal thermometer like hey yeah i i thermometer like hey yeah i i thermometer like hey yeah i i i definitely agree with that um but she i definitely agree with that um but she i definitely agree with that um but she said she couldn't get said she couldn't get said she couldn't get they they didn't there was nothing out they they didn't there was nothing out they they didn't there was nothing out there as intense as that like you know there as intense as that like you know there as intense as that like you know most of these things like 165 most of these things like 165 most of these things like 165 as no as intensive as what you're saying as no as intensive as what you're saying as no as intensive as what you're saying yeah and it's it's kind of what i do so yeah and it's it's kind of what i do so yeah and it's it's kind of what i do so i do like
1:08i do like i do like 185 like 15 to 20 minutes depending on 185 like 15 to 20 minutes depending on 185 like 15 to 20 minutes depending on if you've done it at laird hamilton's if you've done it at laird hamilton's if you've done it at laird hamilton's house right i've done a not yet we've house right i've done a not yet we've house right i've done a not yet we've been like planning and planning and been like planning and planning and been like planning and planning and planning i've done it at uh rick rubin's planning i've done it at uh rick rubin's planning i've done it at uh rick rubin's and oh okay but his sauna was like and oh okay but his sauna was like and oh okay but his sauna was like 200 200 200 and something and something and something and then he had this like ice bath and then he had this like ice bath and then he had this like ice bath yeah outside of the sauna and we were yeah outside of the sauna and we were yeah outside of the sauna and we were doing back and forth doing back and forth doing back and forth and and like that's the closest thing you're like that's the closest thing you're like that's the closest thing you're going to get to a psychedelic experience going to get to a psychedelic experience going to get to a psychedelic experience without doing psychedelics in my opinion without doing psychedelics in my opinion without doing psychedelics in my opinion it's like crazy it changes your i mean it's like crazy it changes your i mean it's like crazy it changes your i mean have you done that before back and forth have you done that before back and forth have you done that before back and forth yeah yeah like intent you did yeah i yeah yeah like intent you did yeah i yeah yeah like intent you did yeah i have an ice bath i have an ice bath have an ice bath i have an ice bath have an ice bath i have an ice bath right next to the sauna i do it every right next to the sauna i do it every right next to the sauna i do it every day what do you think i mean it's it day what do you think i mean it's it day what do you think i mean it's it makes your whole head dizzy it does you makes your whole head dizzy it does you makes your whole head dizzy it does you go shaking back and forth like it does go shaking back and forth like it does go shaking back and forth like it does one thing i found is i i can't stay in one thing i found is i i can't stay in one thing i found is i i can't stay in the ice bath as long the ice bath as long the ice bath as long after i've gotten out of the sauna which after i've gotten out of the sauna which after i've gotten out of the sauna which is really odd because i almost feel like is really odd because i almost feel like is really odd because i almost feel like i'm gonna pass out like when i get to i'm gonna pass out like when i get to i'm gonna pass out like when i get to like three minutes in the ice bath after
1:09like three minutes in the ice bath after like three minutes in the ice bath after 20 plus minutes in the sauna like my 20 plus minutes in the sauna like my 20 plus minutes in the sauna like my vision is shaky okay so here's my vision is shaky okay so here's my vision is shaky okay so here's my anecdotal story anecdotal story anecdotal story um um so what i was doing for i mean i was so what i was doing for i mean i was so what i was doing for i mean i was scared of ice baths for a long time like scared of ice baths for a long time like scared of ice baths for a long time like for months because of this so back in for months because of this so back in for months because of this so back in the winter when um before we had a cold the winter when um before we had a cold the winter when um before we had a cold plunge we were using the pool because plunge we were using the pool because plunge we were using the pool because the pool was cold the pool was cold the pool was cold it was like you know 50 degrees yeah you it was like you know 50 degrees yeah you it was like you know 50 degrees yeah you know which is know which is know which is cold it's cold it's not ice bath cold cold it's cold it's not ice bath cold cold it's cold it's not ice bath cold like that's insane but it's cold and um like that's insane but it's cold and um like that's insane but it's cold and um so i was so i was so i was so this time i was in the song i mean i so this time i was in the song i mean i so this time i was in the song i mean i was in the um jacuzzi i was in jacuzzi was in the um jacuzzi i was in jacuzzi was in the um jacuzzi i was in jacuzzi for like 20 minutes maybe 30 like you for like 20 minutes maybe 30 like you for like 20 minutes maybe 30 like you know i was getting my heat stress on know i was getting my heat stress on know i was getting my heat stress on right right and then i went into the the pool and then i went into the the pool and then i went into the the pool and um you know i had my simon and and um you know i had my simon and and um you know i had my simon and garfield go on i was like singing i was garfield go on i was like singing i was garfield go on i was like singing i was trying to stay in there it was cold trying to stay in there it was cold trying to stay in there it was cold and i was it was burning it was burning and i was it was burning it was burning and i was it was burning it was burning but but i was in there for just not more than i was in there for just not more than i was in there for just not more than five minutes like it was you know five minutes like it was you know five minutes like it was you know and all of a sudden i started to get
1:10and all of a sudden i started to get and all of a sudden i started to get really blinky and dizzy and i was like really blinky and dizzy and i was like really blinky and dizzy and i was like oh i don't feel good oh i don't feel good oh i don't feel good so i got out of the pool and so i got out of the pool and so i got out of the pool and i got some kind of vertigo i got some kind of vertigo i got some kind of vertigo or something i couldn't stand i had to or something i couldn't stand i had to or something i couldn't stand i had to go down to the i felt like i was dying go down to the i felt like i was dying go down to the i felt like i was dying like i had to like go down low to the like i had to like go down low to the like i had to like go down low to the ground ground ground and um like dan was like assuring me and um like dan was like assuring me and um like dan was like assuring me it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay and um and um and this lasted and this lasted and this lasted a couple of minutes like a couple of a couple of minutes like a couple of a couple of minutes like a couple of minutes i mean i was like terrified i minutes i mean i was like terrified i minutes i mean i was like terrified i was really terrified was really terrified was really terrified i guess it was kind of a vertical i i guess it was kind of a vertical i i guess it was kind of a vertical i didn't know what was up or down i didn't know what was up or down i didn't know what was up or down i couldn't stand because it was like couldn't stand because it was like couldn't stand because it was like you know and i felt like my blood you know and i felt like my blood you know and i felt like my blood pressure maybe was really low pressure maybe was really low pressure maybe was really low i don't know what caused that um i don't i don't know what caused that um i don't i don't know what caused that um i don't know if i had gotten cold water in my know if i had gotten cold water in my know if i had gotten cold water in my ear there's some like you can read some ear there's some like you can read some ear there's some like you can read some like anecdotal stories about cold water like anecdotal stories about cold water like anecdotal stories about cold water cold water swimmers that like wear some cold water swimmers that like wear some cold water swimmers that like wear some kind of ear plugs because it can give kind of ear plugs because it can give kind of ear plugs because it can give them vertigo i don't know they develop them vertigo i don't know they develop them vertigo i don't know they develop like bone matter in there do you know like bone matter in there do you know like bone matter in there do you know that no surfer's ear yeah a lot of them that no surfer's ear yeah a lot of them that no surfer's ear yeah a lot of them have to get uh they have to get have to get uh they have to get have to get uh they have to get operations on it
1:11operations on it operations on it on their ears yeah there's something on their ears yeah there's something on their ears yeah there's something that happens to the inner ear that happens to the inner ear that happens to the inner ear like find out if you can find what that like find out if you can find what that like find out if you can find what that is it's called surfer's ear a friend of is it's called surfer's ear a friend of is it's called surfer's ear a friend of mine got it does that affect the balance mine got it does that affect the balance mine got it does that affect the balance and stuff does that give you and stuff does that give you and stuff does that give you so so i'm not sure i've never surfed i'm not sure i've never surfed i'm not sure i've never surfed but um i know that there's some sort of but um i know that there's some sort of but um i know that there's some sort of like bony thing oh here we go surfer's like bony thing oh here we go surfer's like bony thing oh here we go surfer's ear ear ear is a condition where the bone of the ear is a condition where the bone of the ear is a condition where the bone of the ear can now develops multiple bony growths can now develops multiple bony growths can now develops multiple bony growths called called called exos exos exos stosis stosis stosis exostosis over time this can eventually exostosis over time this can eventually exostosis over time this can eventually cause a partial or complete blockage of cause a partial or complete blockage of cause a partial or complete blockage of the ear canal the condition is primarily the ear canal the condition is primarily the ear canal the condition is primarily caused by prolonged exposure to cold caused by prolonged exposure to cold caused by prolonged exposure to cold water or wind water or wind water or wind interesting yeah so like you see those interesting yeah so like you see those interesting yeah so like you see those little weird bony gross in the inside of little weird bony gross in the inside of little weird bony gross in the inside of the ear it's almost like your the ear it's almost like your the ear it's almost like your your [ __ ] skull is trying to protect your [ __ ] skull is trying to protect your [ __ ] skull is trying to protect you oh that is so nasty inside the ears you oh that is so nasty inside the ears you oh that is so nasty inside the ears are so gross i got a little um a thing i are so gross i got a little um a thing i are so gross i got a little um a thing i bought on amazon it's a camera bought on amazon it's a camera bought on amazon it's a camera that's attached to an ear cleaner that's attached to an ear cleaner that's attached to an ear cleaner and you have an app on your phone and
1:12and you have an app on your phone and and you have an app on your phone and you could actually stick this thing in you could actually stick this thing in you could actually stick this thing in your ear and you can see the inside of your ear and you can see the inside of your ear and you can see the inside of your ear it's wild your ear it's wild your ear it's wild yeah yeah i i wore um i i wore um i i wore um earplugs on the plane yesterday and uh earplugs on the plane yesterday and uh earplugs on the plane yesterday and uh when i took them out i was disgusted by when i took them out i was disgusted by when i took them out i was disgusted by the the i don't know if i want to see i don't know if i want to see i don't know if i want to see more in there you know you can clean it more in there you know you can clean it more in there you know you can clean it out though out though out though yeah i know i i've got really small ear yeah i know i i've got really small ear yeah i know i i've got really small ear canals canals canals and i like get problems with that and and i like get problems with that and and i like get problems with that and also like earplugs hurt me because my also like earplugs hurt me because my also like earplugs hurt me because my ear canals are so small i have to like ear canals are so small i have to like ear canals are so small i have to like get the like baby ones or like i need to get the like baby ones or like i need to get the like baby ones or like i need to try to get the custom made ones because try to get the custom made ones because try to get the custom made ones because like i can't i can't wear that like it like i can't i can't wear that like it like i can't i can't wear that like it hurts like i can't sleep with them hurts like i can't sleep with them hurts like i can't sleep with them because it hurts i wore ear guards all because it hurts i wore ear guards all because it hurts i wore ear guards all throughout my years of doing jiu jitsu throughout my years of doing jiu jitsu throughout my years of doing jiu jitsu pretty much every time i trained i have pretty much every time i trained i have pretty much every time i trained i have very little cauliflower i have like a very little cauliflower i have like a very little cauliflower i have like a tiny couple of little pieces but i have tiny couple of little pieces but i have tiny couple of little pieces but i have friends whose ears are [ __ ] mangled friends whose ears are [ __ ] mangled friends whose ears are [ __ ] mangled and they love it because it literally and they love it because it literally and they love it because it literally makes them look like a badass makes them look like a badass makes them look like a badass it's like a it's a jiu jitsu thing like it's like a it's a jiu jitsu thing like it's like a it's a jiu jitsu thing like in wrestlers it's a wrestler thing too in wrestlers it's a wrestler thing too in wrestlers it's a wrestler thing too it's almost like a a badge of honor to it's almost like a a badge of honor to it's almost like a a badge of honor to have like really [ __ ] up ears but i
1:13have like really [ __ ] up ears but i have like really [ __ ] up ears but i have friends that can't they can't they have friends that can't they can't they have friends that can't they can't they don't air pods like air pods like apple don't air pods like air pods like apple don't air pods like air pods like apple ones they don't fit in there they can't ones they don't fit in there they can't ones they don't fit in there they can't even go in their their ear holes so even go in their their ear holes so even go in their their ear holes so small i'm like what can you really hear small i'm like what can you really hear small i'm like what can you really hear with those goofy ass mangled ears with those goofy ass mangled ears with those goofy ass mangled ears because like if you take your ears and because like if you take your ears and because like if you take your ears and you just go like this yeah and then you you just go like this yeah and then you you just go like this yeah and then you talk and then you know i'm folding my talk and then you know i'm folding my talk and then you know i'm folding my ear and then ear and then ear and then go like that and open it it's very go like that and open it it's very go like that and open it it's very different between what it sounds like different between what it sounds like different between what it sounds like like this and what it sounds like like like this and what it sounds like like like this and what it sounds like like this so they're like their whole life is this so they're like their whole life is this so they're like their whole life is like the reason why your ears shaped like the reason why your ears shaped like the reason why your ears shaped like that is so that you can kind of like that is so that you can kind of like that is so that you can kind of capture sound right it's it's good makes capture sound right it's it's good makes capture sound right it's it's good makes you hear you hear you hear your ear work better like their their your ear work better like their their your ear work better like their their ear is like constantly clogged on the ear is like constantly clogged on the ear is like constantly clogged on the flip side of that they're probably less flip side of that they're probably less flip side of that they're probably less likely to get the noise induced hearing likely to get the noise induced hearing likely to get the noise induced hearing damage that happens with old age but damage that happens with old age but damage that happens with old age but they can't hear anyway so then you know they can't hear anyway so then you know they can't hear anyway so then you know do you know if they have tried any of do you know if they have tried any of do you know if they have tried any of those guys have tried out the the ball those guys have tried out the the ball those guys have tried out the the ball like the jaw conduction headphones that like the jaw conduction headphones that like the jaw conduction headphones that don't go in your ear where do they go don't go in your ear where do they go don't go in your ear where do they go they go around your head sort of they
1:14they go around your head sort of they they go around your head sort of they just don't go in like you've probably just don't go in like you've probably just don't go in like you've probably seen them but you may never have never seen them but you may never have never seen them but you may never have never tried it it's a very strange feeling tried it it's a very strange feeling tried it it's a very strange feeling when you test it out you use those uh when you test it out you use those uh when you test it out you use those uh that one ces thing i tried it out there that one ces thing i tried it out there that one ces thing i tried it out there just because it was new at then it was just because it was new at then it was just because it was new at then it was like 2017. did you like it like 2017. did you like it like 2017. did you like it it was weird so you hear music like it was weird so you hear music like it was weird so you hear music like clearly that's it just vibrates on your clearly that's it just vibrates on your clearly that's it just vibrates on your bones instead of into your ear it bones instead of into your ear it bones instead of into your ear it vibrates on your bone and gets into your vibrates on your bone and gets into your vibrates on your bone and gets into your head which is like you know when you're head which is like you know when you're head which is like you know when you're if you're in the shower you do exactly if you're in the shower you do exactly if you're in the shower you do exactly what you're just doing you can still what you're just doing you can still what you're just doing you can still hear the rain hitting your skull it's hear the rain hitting your skull it's hear the rain hitting your skull it's just your hearing or the water i'm sorry just your hearing or the water i'm sorry just your hearing or the water i'm sorry it's just different it's just different it's just different but i'm way curious on to someone who but i'm way curious on to someone who but i'm way curious on to someone who has that ear problem if this creates has that ear problem if this creates has that ear problem if this creates a better experience or if it's just like a better experience or if it's just like a better experience or if it's just like yeah i can hear it now finally the smart yeah i can hear it now finally the smart yeah i can hear it now finally the smart guys get it operated on like you really guys get it operated on like you really guys get it operated on like you really should drain it right away should drain it right away should drain it right away but but i know quite a few friends who've had i know quite a few friends who've had i know quite a few friends who've had their knee their ears operated on where their knee their ears operated on where their knee their ears operated on where they they literally fillet your ear and they they literally fillet your ear and they they literally fillet your ear and then they cut out all the calcified um then they cut out all the calcified um then they cut out all the calcified um blood which is what it is right it's blood which is what it is right it's blood which is what it is right it's like blood pools up in the tissue of
1:15like blood pools up in the tissue of like blood pools up in the tissue of your ear and it becomes calcified and your ear and it becomes calcified and your ear and it becomes calcified and then you have to cut that out now i'm then you have to cut that out now i'm then you have to cut that out now i'm learning new things you didn't know learning new things you didn't know learning new things you didn't know about cauliflower either not really no about cauliflower either not really no about cauliflower either not really no you want to see it get show our photos you want to see it get show our photos you want to see it get show our photos of cauliflower ear of cauliflower ear of cauliflower ear just what it looks like just cauliflower just what it looks like just cauliflower just what it looks like just cauliflower ear ear because it's nasty like and because it's nasty like and because it's nasty like and [ __ ] 80 percent are my friends from jiu [ __ ] 80 percent are my friends from jiu [ __ ] 80 percent are my friends from jiu jitsu that's crazy yeah they all have it jitsu that's crazy yeah they all have it jitsu that's crazy yeah they all have it yeah that's what it looks like look at yeah that's what it looks like look at yeah that's what it looks like look at those ears those ears those ears let's go get his ears wow yeah let's go get his ears wow yeah let's go get his ears wow yeah that's uh khabib nurmagomedov one of the that's uh khabib nurmagomedov one of the that's uh khabib nurmagomedov one of the greatest if not the greatest of all time greatest if not the greatest of all time greatest if not the greatest of all time randy couture his heroes are mangled randy couture his heroes are mangled randy couture his heroes are mangled look at that dude look at his ears look at that dude look at his ears look at that dude look at his ears that's so disgusting yeah that's all that's so disgusting yeah that's all that's so disgusting yeah that's all hard that's like a rock too the thing hard that's like a rock too the thing hard that's like a rock too the thing about that is it's calcium so the inside about that is it's calcium so the inside about that is it's calcium so the inside how can you hear anything with that i how can you hear anything with that i how can you hear anything with that i don't hear much you don't hear much don't hear much you don't hear much don't hear much you don't hear much yeah yeah look at that one oh okay yeah is there look at that one oh okay yeah is there look at that one oh okay yeah is there balance off or anything like that are balance off or anything like that are balance off or anything like that are they like does that like no i don't
1:16they like does that like no i don't they like does that like no i don't think so because it's not really an think so because it's not really an think so because it's not really an inner inner ear issue but the outer ear inner inner ear issue but the outer ear inner inner ear issue but the outer ear is just horrific yeah is just horrific yeah is just horrific yeah it's pretty gross it's pretty gross it's pretty gross and so uh what you should do what a lot and so uh what you should do what a lot and so uh what you should do what a lot of guys do is they'll get a syringe and of guys do is they'll get a syringe and of guys do is they'll get a syringe and right after it happens like literally right after it happens like literally right after it happens like literally i've seen guys do this at the gym where i've seen guys do this at the gym where i've seen guys do this at the gym where they have a buddy stick a syringe in they have a buddy stick a syringe in they have a buddy stick a syringe in their ear and suck the pus and blood out their ear and suck the pus and blood out their ear and suck the pus and blood out like at the gym like at the gym like at the gym you know they just have this thing and you know they just have this thing and you know they just have this thing and pull it like see if you can find a video pull it like see if you can find a video pull it like see if you can find a video of a guy of a guy of a guy yeah yeah because uh it's because uh it's because uh it's amazing how much fluid comes out of uh a amazing how much fluid comes out of uh a amazing how much fluid comes out of uh a cauliflower ear this is like the fear cauliflower ear this is like the fear cauliflower ear this is like the fear factor joe coming out here factor joe coming out here factor joe coming out here so this guy's doing it he's doing it to so this guy's doing it he's doing it to so this guy's doing it he's doing it to himself himself himself so he's pulled out that much blood so he's pulled out that much blood so he's pulled out that much blood okay and so he's pulling this okay and so he's pulling this okay and so he's pulling this so he sticks it in there and once you so he sticks it in there and once you so he sticks it in there and once you get it in there you really really should get it in there you really really should get it in there you really really should go low he's going high but you really go low he's going high but you really
1:17go low he's going high but you really should go low so you get all of it in should go low so you get all of it in should go low so you get all of it in there there there and then see how it sucks it out and and then see how it sucks it out and and then see how it sucks it out and drains it and look at all the blood drains it and look at all the blood drains it and look at all the blood that's in his syringe that's in his syringe that's in his syringe that is all stuff that would have that is all stuff that would have that is all stuff that would have calcified calcified calcified so so most guys like it most guys like it most guys like it because it's like let everybody know oh because it's like let everybody know oh because it's like let everybody know oh he's been training look his ears is he's been training look his ears is he's been training look his ears is badass you know wow i think it's that's badass you know wow i think it's that's badass you know wow i think it's that's crazy totally yeah i only have like a crazy totally yeah i only have like a crazy totally yeah i only have like a couple i have like a little bit of it couple i have like a little bit of it couple i have like a little bit of it here here here and some other spots where it calcified and some other spots where it calcified and some other spots where it calcified but it's very small good thing you were but it's very small good thing you were but it's very small good thing you were wearing those ears yeah they're annoying wearing those ears yeah they're annoying wearing those ears yeah they're annoying they get in the way like these things they get in the way like these things they get in the way like these things they're under your chin they're on your they're under your chin they're on your they're under your chin they're on your ears but it just keeps your ears from ears but it just keeps your ears from ears but it just keeps your ears from getting [ __ ] up right i mean it's getting [ __ ] up right i mean it's getting [ __ ] up right i mean it's annoying to wear a helmet when you're annoying to wear a helmet when you're annoying to wear a helmet when you're like riding a bike or but it's like riding a bike or but it's like riding a bike or but it's protecting your head i mean you know so protecting your head i mean you know so protecting your head i mean you know so what happens to me is i can go in the what happens to me is i can go in the what happens to me is i can go in the ice bath and ice bath and ice bath and i thought i thought i thought i went the ice bath once for 20 minutes i went the ice bath once for 20 minutes i went the ice bath once for 20 minutes and i thought i had [ __ ] myself up i and i thought i had [ __ ] myself up i and i thought i had [ __ ] myself up i thought i broke something because i went thought i broke something because i went thought i broke something because i went in afterwards and like i was like at
1:18in afterwards and like i was like at in afterwards and like i was like at like the three minute mark like the three minute mark like the three minute mark things my visual things my visual things my visual field was shaky almost like i was really field was shaky almost like i was really field was shaky almost like i was really drunk and i was like this is not good drunk and i was like this is not good drunk and i was like this is not good let me get out of here but i realized let me get out of here but i realized let me get out of here but i realized that that's actually just coming from that that's actually just coming from that that's actually just coming from the sauna so going from the sauna to the the sauna so going from the sauna to the the sauna so going from the sauna to the ice bath is very shocking to your system ice bath is very shocking to your system ice bath is very shocking to your system it's probably good for you overall but it's probably good for you overall but it's probably good for you overall but it does this weird thing where like it does this weird thing where like it does this weird thing where like everything feels like shaky and back and everything feels like shaky and back and everything feels like shaky and back and forth and weird forth and weird forth and weird um but if i just go straight in there it um but if i just go straight in there it um but if i just go straight in there it doesn't do that i can just go straight doesn't do that i can just go straight doesn't do that i can just go straight in there and then i'm fine so you took in there and then i'm fine so you took in there and then i'm fine so you took the words out of my mouth so that was the words out of my mouth so that was the words out of my mouth so that was like like like i was trying to get to the bottom like i was trying to get to the bottom like i was trying to get to the bottom of this like i had been in the jacuzzi of this like i had been in the jacuzzi of this like i had been in the jacuzzi for like almost 30 minutes and i was for like almost 30 minutes and i was for like almost 30 minutes and i was like heat stressing myself like heat stressing myself like heat stressing myself but i was still terrified to get but i was still terrified to get but i was still terrified to get anything in any coal because it was like anything in any coal because it was like anything in any coal because it was like it was so scary it was so scary it was so scary um so i didn't do any cold at all and um so i didn't do any cold at all and um so i didn't do any cold at all and now now now what i do is um i i just do if i'm gonna what i do is um i i just do if i'm gonna what i do is um i i just do if i'm gonna do the cold like i did like a seven day do the cold like i did like a seven day do the cold like i did like a seven day challenge like recently where i just get
1:19challenge like recently where i just get challenge like recently where i just get in in dan does this thing like he gets in we dan does this thing like he gets in we dan does this thing like he gets in we keep it like 49 degrees fahrenheit and keep it like 49 degrees fahrenheit and keep it like 49 degrees fahrenheit and he gets in for like 12 minutes i mean he gets in for like 12 minutes i mean he gets in for like 12 minutes i mean he's just in there like he loves it he he's just in there like he loves it he he's just in there like he loves it he does it like first thing in the morning does it like first thing in the morning does it like first thing in the morning sometimes he does it before bed helps sometimes he does it before bed helps sometimes he does it before bed helps him sleep um him sleep um him sleep um i can't like i'm like in there like one i can't like i'm like in there like one i can't like i'm like in there like one minute and i'm like because i'm just not minute and i'm like because i'm just not minute and i'm like because i'm just not adapted you know like i'm not i'm not adapted you know like i'm not i'm not adapted you know like i'm not i'm not adapted and i don't have as much brown adapted and i don't have as much brown adapted and i don't have as much brown adipose tissue you know which you know adipose tissue you know which you know adipose tissue you know which you know is a good thing if you but you lose it is a good thing if you but you lose it is a good thing if you but you lose it pretty quick like dan didn't do it for a pretty quick like dan didn't do it for a pretty quick like dan didn't do it for a while and um while and um while and um and he like it was harder for him to and he like it was harder for him to and he like it was harder for him to stay in for that long but you know when stay in for that long but you know when stay in for that long but you know when you are going and this is something like you are going and this is something like you are going and this is something like i've talked to i've talked to i've talked to yari laukaden about this you know yari laukaden about this you know yari laukaden about this you know going from the hot to the cold so the going from the hot to the cold so the going from the hot to the cold so the hot you have vasodilation happening hot you have vasodilation happening hot you have vasodilation happening right so you're relaxing your blood right so you're relaxing your blood right so you're relaxing your blood vessels blood blood flows increased when vessels blood blood flows increased when vessels blood blood flows increased when you go into the cold you go into the cold you go into the cold vasoconstriction happens like it's the vasoconstriction happens like it's the vasoconstriction happens like it's the opposite so you're going from like opposite so you're going from like opposite so you're going from like dilation to constriction dilation to dilation to constriction dilation to dilation to constriction dilation to constriction and like you know a lot of constriction and like you know a lot of constriction and like you know a lot of what regulates that is what regulates that is what regulates that is you know norepinep norepinephrine which you know norepinep norepinephrine which you know norepinep norepinephrine which is a hormone and also a neurotransmitter
1:20is a hormone and also a neurotransmitter is a hormone and also a neurotransmitter depending on if you're releasing it you depending on if you're releasing it you depending on if you're releasing it you know know if it's being released in the plasma if it's being released in the plasma if it's being released in the plasma versus in the brain but versus in the brain but versus in the brain but part of what it does is cause part of what it does is cause part of what it does is cause vasoconstriction vasoconstriction vasoconstriction and it's you know there's just not and it's you know there's just not and it's you know there's just not enough research that has been done enough research that has been done enough research that has been done on going from the hot to the cold and on going from the hot to the cold and on going from the hot to the cold and certainly not going back and forth but certainly not going back and forth but certainly not going back and forth but in finland you know like at least 10 in finland you know like at least 10 in finland you know like at least 10 percent of the population there of the percent of the population there of the percent of the population there of the people that are using saunas do that people that are using saunas do that people that are using saunas do that like they do it frequently not everyone like they do it frequently not everyone like they do it frequently not everyone does it but like a good percentage of does it but like a good percentage of does it but like a good percentage of people do it you know like they i've people do it you know like they i've people do it you know like they i've gone over to to finland and done it um gone over to to finland and done it um gone over to to finland and done it um but but um you know so there's just not a lot of um you know so there's just not a lot of um you know so there's just not a lot of evidence and you know i on the one hand evidence and you know i on the one hand evidence and you know i on the one hand like you can feel really good but like like you can feel really good but like like you can feel really good but like there's an amount of there's an amount of there's an amount of stress that i mean maybe it's just stress that i mean maybe it's just stress that i mean maybe it's just something from going from the hot to the something from going from the hot to the something from going from the hot to the cold and regulates your blood pressure cold and regulates your blood pressure cold and regulates your blood pressure right i mean i don't i don't know right i mean i don't i don't know right i mean i don't i don't know um but it um but it um but it so so now i don't do so so now i don't do so so now i don't do i don't do the cold after my my sauna i don't do the cold after my my sauna i don't do the cold after my my sauna because of that like i was just been because of that like i was just been because of that like i was just been scared i do but i just do it for a scared i do but i just do it for a scared i do but i just do it for a minute that's how i do it i did it for
1:21minute that's how i do it i did it for minute that's how i do it i did it for three minutes um three minutes um three minutes um yesterday yesterday yesterday that was a long one for me generally no that was a long one for me generally no that was a long one for me generally no two days ago yesterday i did a minute two days ago yesterday i did a minute two days ago yesterday i did a minute i'd like a minute a minute is what i i'd like a minute a minute is what i i'd like a minute a minute is what i like because i get so hot in there and a like because i get so hot in there and a like because i get so hot in there and a minute cools me off and i get a little minute cools me off and i get a little minute cools me off and i get a little weirded out but not crazy but when i did weirded out but not crazy but when i did weirded out but not crazy but when i did three minutes the other day at the third three minutes the other day at the third three minutes the other day at the third minute i don't like the way i feel minute i don't like the way i feel minute i don't like the way i feel i just feel like i gotta get out of here i just feel like i gotta get out of here i just feel like i gotta get out of here like it just it just feels like i don't like it just it just feels like i don't like it just it just feels like i don't know know if i'm going to black out which sounds if i'm going to black out which sounds if i'm going to black out which sounds crazy no totally but when i did 20 crazy no totally but when i did 20 crazy no totally but when i did 20 minutes i did 20 minutes at 33 degrees minutes i did 20 minutes at 33 degrees minutes i did 20 minutes at 33 degrees without any hot no hot never felt like i without any hot no hot never felt like i without any hot no hot never felt like i was gonna black out it was just really was gonna black out it was just really was gonna black out it was just really cold that's interesting my visual my cold that's interesting my visual my cold that's interesting my visual my visual field was completely stable like visual field was completely stable like visual field was completely stable like as i put up blinky stuff none of it but as i put up blinky stuff none of it but as i put up blinky stuff none of it but then coming out of the sauna it gets then coming out of the sauna it gets then coming out of the sauna it gets it's super shiny i had the blinky in my case it was pretty severe it was
1:22in my case it was pretty severe it was like i felt like i was dying it was very like i felt like i was dying it was very like i felt like i was dying it was very scary well mine was a little weird too scary well mine was a little weird too scary well mine was a little weird too like the the first time i did three like the the first time i did three like the the first time i did three minutes after the sauna i was like i was minutes after the sauna i was like i was minutes after the sauna i was like i was thinking i think i broke myself when i thinking i think i broke myself when i thinking i think i broke myself when i did 20 minutes i was like maybe i really did 20 minutes i was like maybe i really did 20 minutes i was like maybe i really [ __ ] myself up like maybe that's not [ __ ] myself up like maybe that's not [ __ ] myself up like maybe that's not good but then i realized no what it was good but then i realized no what it was good but then i realized no what it was is i did 20 minutes after a workout but is i did 20 minutes after a workout but is i did 20 minutes after a workout but i wasn't that heated up like i'm pretty i wasn't that heated up like i'm pretty i wasn't that heated up like i'm pretty sure that workout was just a sure that workout was just a sure that workout was just a weightlifting workout which is not that weightlifting workout which is not that weightlifting workout which is not that bad you know i sweat a little bit but i bad you know i sweat a little bit but i bad you know i sweat a little bit but i don't it's not like the real ones are don't it's not like the real ones are don't it's not like the real ones are like kickboxing workouts when i do a like kickboxing workouts when i do a like kickboxing workouts when i do a kick like i'll do kick like i'll do kick like i'll do 10 rounds on the bag and then when i'm 10 rounds on the bag and then when i'm 10 rounds on the bag and then when i'm done i'm drenched with sweat i mean just done i'm drenched with sweat i mean just done i'm drenched with sweat i mean just my my t-shirt is completely soaked my my my t-shirt is completely soaked my my my t-shirt is completely soaked my underwear is soaked my shorts are soaked underwear is soaked my shorts are soaked underwear is soaked my shorts are soaked i'm really heated up and then i'll go in i'm really heated up and then i'll go in i'm really heated up and then i'll go in the cold it's rough but if i go in there the cold it's rough but if i go in there the cold it's rough but if i go in there just right now like if i just sunk in just right now like if i just sunk in just right now like if i just sunk in there right now my visual field will be there right now my visual field will be there right now my visual field will be fine yeah but coming out of the sauna fine yeah but coming out of the sauna fine yeah but coming out of the sauna it's it's a weird shock i don't know if it's it's a weird shock i don't know if it's it's a weird shock i don't know if it's good for you
1:23it's good for you it's good for you there needs to be research on it that's there needs to be research on it that's there needs to be research on it that's really you know it is and so hopefully really you know it is and so hopefully really you know it is and so hopefully but everybody tells you you should do it but everybody tells you you should do it but everybody tells you you should do it right they're like oh yeah you go back right they're like oh yeah you go back right they're like oh yeah you go back and forth from saunders to cold so under and forth from saunders to cold so under and forth from saunders to cold so under gold but i think they're doing like 10 gold but i think they're doing like 10 gold but i think they're doing like 10 minutes minutes minutes and then a minute 10 minutes i'm and then a minute 10 minutes i'm and then a minute 10 minutes i'm i'm an extremist right so i'm doing 25 i'm an extremist right so i'm doing 25 i'm an extremist right so i'm doing 25 minutes and i'm at 190 degrees sometimes minutes and i'm at 190 degrees sometimes minutes and i'm at 190 degrees sometimes it's yeah that's intense that's a lot it's yeah that's intense that's a lot it's yeah that's intense that's a lot right so i'm really hot when i get out right so i'm really hot when i get out right so i'm really hot when i get out where i'm like really barely hanging on where i'm like really barely hanging on where i'm like really barely hanging on and then i go plunge right into 33 and then i go plunge right into 33 and then i go plunge right into 33 degrees well here's the thing right degrees well here's the thing right degrees well here's the thing right after the sauna so one of the things after the sauna so one of the things after the sauna so one of the things that the sauna does is it lowers blood that the sauna does is it lowers blood that the sauna does is it lowers blood pressure like like so while you're doing pressure like like so while you're doing pressure like like so while you're doing it your heart rate's elevated and your it your heart rate's elevated and your it your heart rate's elevated and your blood pressure goes up while you're blood pressure goes up while you're blood pressure goes up while you're doing the same thing with exercise but doing the same thing with exercise but doing the same thing with exercise but after after after like pretty immediate after blood like pretty immediate after blood like pretty immediate after blood pressure goes down and this is like one pressure goes down and this is like one pressure goes down and this is like one of the reasons why it's so cardio of the reasons why it's so cardio of the reasons why it's so cardio protective among others is that it protective among others is that it protective among others is that it really helps regulate blood pressure but really helps regulate blood pressure but really helps regulate blood pressure but if you think about it if your blood if you think about it if your blood if you think about it if your blood pressure's already dipped down below
1:24pressure's already dipped down below pressure's already dipped down below baseline you know studies showing that's baseline you know studies showing that's baseline you know studies showing that's what happens with the sauna what happens with the sauna what happens with the sauna and then you get into something that's and then you get into something that's and then you get into something that's vasoconstricting vasoconstricting vasoconstricting right i mean like it's got to be like a right i mean like it's got to be like a right i mean like it's got to be like a crash in blood pressure that's mm-hmm i crash in blood pressure that's mm-hmm i crash in blood pressure that's mm-hmm i mean that is something i was thinking mean that is something i was thinking mean that is something i was thinking and um you know it's just we need and um you know it's just we need and um you know it's just we need evidence to show that we don't know what evidence to show that we don't know what evidence to show that we don't know what it is but um it is but um it is but um something's going on and it's something's going on and it's something's going on and it's interesting that you've had the same interesting that you've had the same interesting that you've had the same effect that i did somewhat mine was effect that i did somewhat mine was effect that i did somewhat mine was definitely um scary and maybe mine was a definitely um scary and maybe mine was a definitely um scary and maybe mine was a little scary yeah i was like because i'm little scary yeah i was like because i'm little scary yeah i was like because i'm by myself because i like to work out by by myself because i like to work out by by myself because i like to work out by myself and while i'm doing this all by myself and while i'm doing this all by myself and while i'm doing this all by myself i'm like hey don't die stupid i myself i'm like hey don't die stupid i myself i'm like hey don't die stupid i know this is a dumb way to die yeah know this is a dumb way to die yeah know this is a dumb way to die yeah totally yeah i was like totally yeah i was like totally yeah i was like one minute is great one minute feels one minute is great one minute feels one minute is great one minute feels really good because one minute's easy i really good because one minute's easy i really good because one minute's easy i have no have no have no weirdness of the visual field i do one weirdness of the visual field i do one weirdness of the visual field i do one minute i get out and then i get back in minute i get out and then i get back in minute i get out and then i get back in the sauna and the sauna at 190 degrees the sauna and the sauna at 190 degrees the sauna and the sauna at 190 degrees or whatever it is it feels like nothing or whatever it is it feels like nothing or whatever it is it feels like nothing like nothing it feels great and it feels like nothing it feels great and it feels like nothing it feels great and it feels really relaxing it feels nice and then i
1:25really relaxing it feels nice and then i really relaxing it feels nice and then i start to sweat again and then i get out start to sweat again and then i get out start to sweat again and then i get out i don't do too many i don't go i've got i don't do too many i don't go i've got i don't do too many i don't go i've got done it a couple of times but i like done it a couple of times but i like done it a couple of times but i like just one i just like sauna ice bath and just one i just like sauna ice bath and just one i just like sauna ice bath and then song until i heat up again and then then song until i heat up again and then then song until i heat up again and then back to normal that sounds a little more back to normal that sounds a little more back to normal that sounds a little more doable yeah reasonable doable yeah reasonable doable yeah reasonable exactly you know so exactly you know so exactly you know so i i personally like doing the cold i i personally like doing the cold i i personally like doing the cold without anything and and for me like without anything and and for me like without anything and and for me like one minute and i feel i feel good i feel one minute and i feel i feel good i feel one minute and i feel i feel good i feel good after could be the norepinephrines good after could be the norepinephrines good after could be the norepinephrines been shown to go two-fold over um i mean been shown to go two-fold over um i mean been shown to go two-fold over um i mean i i know a lot of people do it like like i i know a lot of people do it like like i i know a lot of people do it like like dan does it like he he really is into it dan does it like he he really is into it dan does it like he he really is into it like big time like just doing it alone like big time like just doing it alone like big time like just doing it alone and it's like helps them feel good helps and it's like helps them feel good helps and it's like helps them feel good helps his mood he doesn't i think it's his mood he doesn't i think it's his mood he doesn't i think it's addictive addictive addictive yeah i think there's like a weird uh yeah i think there's like a weird uh yeah i think there's like a weird uh feeling like a state change like because feeling like a state change like because feeling like a state change like because i feel that with the sauna as well it's i feel that with the sauna as well it's i feel that with the sauna as well it's very like i feel like when i get in like very like i feel like when i get in like very like i feel like when i get in like oh i get my fix i feel that when i climb oh i get my fix i feel that when i climb oh i get my fix i feel that when i climb in there well you make endorphins you're in there well you make endorphins you're in there well you make endorphins you're you're dumping out endorphins in the you're dumping out endorphins in the you're dumping out endorphins in the sauna yeah and so i mean it's sauna yeah and so i mean it's sauna yeah and so i mean it's it's also like i used to listen to a lot
1:26it's also like i used to listen to a lot it's also like i used to listen to a lot of books on tape in the sauna but now of books on tape in the sauna but now of books on tape in the sauna but now primarily i do just nothing and it gives primarily i do just nothing and it gives primarily i do just nothing and it gives me like a time to think like just to me like a time to think like just to me like a time to think like just to reset time to think and just relax and reset time to think and just relax and reset time to think and just relax and i'm enjoying that a lot i'm enjoying that a lot i'm enjoying that a lot i'm just enjoying the i'm just enjoying the i'm just enjoying the just the opportunity to do nothing yeah just the opportunity to do nothing yeah just the opportunity to do nothing yeah and just sit and think that's that's and just sit and think that's that's and just sit and think that's that's what i what i what i sometimes i'll do a broadcast because i sometimes i'll do a broadcast because i sometimes i'll do a broadcast because i never ever ever get to listen to never ever ever get to listen to never ever ever get to listen to anything if i don't but um the majority anything if i don't but um the majority anything if i don't but um the majority of time for me i i sit and like it's of time for me i i sit and like it's of time for me i i sit and like it's like my time it's like my my like my time it's like my my like my time it's like my my time to like reflect yeah sometimes i'll time to like reflect yeah sometimes i'll time to like reflect yeah sometimes i'll even like even like even like rehearse things like a presentation or rehearse things like a presentation or rehearse things like a presentation or something and like i've done that for a something and like i've done that for a something and like i've done that for a long time i've done that like since long time i've done that like since long time i've done that like since graduates i'll listen to sets like graduates i'll listen to sets like graduates i'll listen to sets like comedy sets that i've done because it'll comedy sets that i've done because it'll comedy sets that i've done because it'll help me like tune in for the next one help me like tune in for the next one help me like tune in for the next one like i was doing that a lot like i was doing that a lot like i was doing that a lot in the middle of the pandemic because i in the middle of the pandemic because i in the middle of the pandemic because i wasn't doing much stand up and then i wasn't doing much stand up and then i wasn't doing much stand up and then i would have to do a show and so i would would have to do a show and so i would would have to do a show and so i would have to listen to old shows and sort of have to listen to old shows and sort of have to listen to old shows and sort of re-remember my material and get the
1:27re-remember my material and get the re-remember my material and get the beats and the rhythm like you don't want beats and the rhythm like you don't want beats and the rhythm like you don't want to just go on stage completely cold you to just go on stage completely cold you to just go on stage completely cold you can look at your material that helps a can look at your material that helps a can look at your material that helps a little bit but i felt the best way is little bit but i felt the best way is little bit but i felt the best way is actually listening to a few sets not actually listening to a few sets not actually listening to a few sets not even just one but two or three wow yeah even just one but two or three wow yeah even just one but two or three wow yeah that's got to be i mean you're so that's got to be i mean you're so that's got to be i mean you're so experienced now doing that but like i experienced now doing that but like i experienced now doing that but like i like listening to myself i used to do i like listening to myself i used to do i like listening to myself i used to do i don't do it anymore i mean time you know don't do it anymore i mean time you know don't do it anymore i mean time you know everyone's excuse but everyone's excuse but everyone's excuse but you know when i go on a podcast like you know when i go on a podcast like you know when i go on a podcast like when i you know this is my 10th time on when i you know this is my 10th time on when i you know this is my 10th time on this podcast is it really yeah it's my this podcast is it really yeah it's my this podcast is it really yeah it's my tenth so like i you know i would go back tenth so like i you know i would go back tenth so like i you know i would go back and listen to this was like and listen to this was like and listen to this was like back when i was you know first coming on back when i was you know first coming on back when i was you know first coming on i listened to it i listened to it i listened to it oh it was so hard it was so hard but oh it was so hard it was so hard but oh it was so hard it was so hard but like you you learn about like the like you you learn about like the like you you learn about like the mistakes that you like things you could mistakes that you like things you could mistakes that you like things you could do better it's really like a way to do better it's really like a way to do better it's really like a way to improve in this improve in this improve in this in this you know in this you know in this you know aspect your your public speaking yeah aspect your your public speaking yeah aspect your your public speaking yeah and the way you communicate certain and the way you communicate certain and the way you communicate certain things and how you shouldn't communicate things and how you shouldn't communicate things and how you shouldn't communicate them maybe and and maybe not talking
1:28them maybe and and maybe not talking them maybe and and maybe not talking over someone like that's a big one for over someone like that's a big one for over someone like that's a big one for me me me like and you really like unless you sit like and you really like unless you sit like and you really like unless you sit down and listen to yourself down and listen to yourself down and listen to yourself you're not gonna like it's not the same you're not gonna like it's not the same you're not gonna like it's not the same like you're just not gonna know like you're just not gonna know like you're just not gonna know that's why i make people wear earphones that's why i make people wear earphones that's why i make people wear earphones all right i suggest earphones you don't all right i suggest earphones you don't all right i suggest earphones you don't realize what it sounds like when you're realize what it sounds like when you're realize what it sounds like when you're talking over each other in a recording talking over each other in a recording talking over each other in a recording the way you do the way you do the way you do with when you have earphones on like if with when you have earphones on like if with when you have earphones on like if if you have if you have earphones on you if you have if you have earphones on you if you have if you have earphones on you hear it exactly how people are going to hear it exactly how people are going to hear it exactly how people are going to hear it recorded but if you don't have hear it recorded but if you don't have hear it recorded but if you don't have earphones on it just sounds like a earphones on it just sounds like a earphones on it just sounds like a normal conversation and people talk over normal conversation and people talk over normal conversation and people talk over each other all the time but you don't each other all the time but you don't each other all the time but you don't know how annoying it is to the person know how annoying it is to the person know how annoying it is to the person listening unless you have earphones on listening unless you have earphones on listening unless you have earphones on because then your volume is the exact because then your volume is the exact because then your volume is the exact same same same volume as mine so if you're talking at a volume as mine so if you're talking at a volume as mine so if you're talking at a certain volume and i start talking too certain volume and i start talking too certain volume and i start talking too it's just noise whereas if you're over it's just noise whereas if you're over it's just noise whereas if you're over there and i don't have earphones on and there and i don't have earphones on and there and i don't have earphones on and you're talking it's like your voice is you're talking it's like your voice is you're talking it's like your voice is lower and my voice is higher i feel like lower and my voice is higher i feel like lower and my voice is higher i feel like well people can hear me better they no well people can hear me better they no well people can hear me better they no they can't you're just talking over that
1:29they can't you're just talking over that they can't you're just talking over that person it sounds like [ __ ] person it sounds like [ __ ] person it sounds like [ __ ] such a good point and i probably should such a good point and i probably should such a good point and i probably should start doing that when i start doing that when i start doing that when i interview other people because interview other people because interview other people because absolutely you're absolutely right absolutely you're absolutely right absolutely you're absolutely right i i can't tell when i'm when i don't i i can't tell when i'm when i don't i i can't tell when i'm when i don't have the earphones on and i get excited have the earphones on and i get excited have the earphones on and i get excited about something it's like let me just about something it's like let me just about something it's like let me just talk talk talk and um yeah hearing it at this level you do you yeah hearing it at this level you do you yeah hearing it at this level you do you notice it the worst is if you have more notice it the worst is if you have more notice it the worst is if you have more than one guest so if i have two guests than one guest so if i have two guests than one guest so if i have two guests and they don't have headphones on it's and they don't have headphones on it's and they don't have headphones on it's just madness just madness just madness madness i used to do these fight madness i used to do these fight madness i used to do these fight companion podcasts and there was four of companion podcasts and there was four of companion podcasts and there was four of us and i would do them sometimes guys us and i would do them sometimes guys us and i would do them sometimes guys didn't want to wear headphones and it didn't want to wear headphones and it didn't want to wear headphones and it was just a talk over thing like just was just a talk over thing like just was just a talk over thing like just talk over each other i'm like okay we talk over each other i'm like okay we talk over each other i'm like okay we have to have headphones you have to have to have headphones you have to have to have headphones you have to because you really have to realize how because you really have to realize how because you really have to realize how bad this sounds right totally yeah yeah bad this sounds right totally yeah yeah bad this sounds right totally yeah yeah well all right so what else have you well all right so what else have you well all right so what else have you discovered like what what new discovered like what what new discovered like what what new information about the sauna or what some information about the sauna or what some information about the sauna or what some new revelations new revelations new revelations um i think mostly
1:30um i think mostly um i think mostly the the new stuff is the mood like the the the new stuff is the mood like the the the new stuff is the mood like the actual evidence on depression but it actual evidence on depression but it actual evidence on depression but it really this review article is just a really this review article is just a really this review article is just a very comprehensive very comprehensive very comprehensive you can't like people don't write review you can't like people don't write review you can't like people don't write review articles that are really comprehensive articles that are really comprehensive articles that are really comprehensive in a field anymore because in a field anymore because in a field anymore because like there's no money you know no grant like there's no money you know no grant like there's no money you know no grant money in doing that it's like a lot of money in doing that it's like a lot of money in doing that it's like a lot of work work work and so you can't find and so you can't find and so you can't find a good review article that just covers a good review article that just covers a good review article that just covers everything you know like in a certain everything you know like in a certain everything you know like in a certain field like with the sauna like there's field like with the sauna like there's field like with the sauna like there's review articles on the sauna and review articles on the sauna and review articles on the sauna and cardiovascular health a lot of that but cardiovascular health a lot of that but cardiovascular health a lot of that but this goes into this goes into this goes into the all-cause mortality you know the the the all-cause mortality you know the the the all-cause mortality you know the the cardiovascular benefits um it goes into cardiovascular benefits um it goes into cardiovascular benefits um it goes into the brain benefits and some mechanisms the brain benefits and some mechanisms the brain benefits and some mechanisms like you know the effects on the opioid like you know the effects on the opioid like you know the effects on the opioid system system system it goes into it goes into it goes into all these different mechanisms like heat all these different mechanisms like heat all these different mechanisms like heat shock proteins and you know how you shock proteins and you know how you shock proteins and you know how you there's lots of cool figures in there there's lots of cool figures in there there's lots of cool figures in there too and how you um can basically become too and how you um can basically become too and how you um can basically become heat adapted and some of that has to do heat adapted and some of that has to do heat adapted and some of that has to do with you make heat shock proteins at a
1:31with you make heat shock proteins at a with you make heat shock proteins at a lower temperature lower temperature lower temperature um you know goes into like what special um you know goes into like what special um you know goes into like what special populations should be cautious when they populations should be cautious when they populations should be cautious when they go into the sauna and how long and what go into the sauna and how long and what go into the sauna and how long and what temperature and all that you get these temperature and all that you get these temperature and all that you get these benefits that are found in the benefits that are found in the benefits that are found in the literature it's just a really literature it's just a really literature it's just a really comprehensive comprehensive comprehensive body of literature i think body of literature i think body of literature i think i think and um i think and um i think and um and so um i'm just pretty excited about and so um i'm just pretty excited about and so um i'm just pretty excited about that it's also open open access to that it's also open open access to that it's also open open access to public so it's not paywalled public so it's not paywalled public so it's not paywalled so people can access this article they so people can access this article they so people can access this article they can also go to to my website where i can also go to to my website where i can also go to to my website where i have the topic page on it which is it's have the topic page on it which is it's have the topic page on it which is it's written a little it's this is a little written a little it's this is a little written a little it's this is a little different it's a little more scientific different it's a little more scientific different it's a little more scientific and we go into a little bit greater and we go into a little bit greater and we go into a little bit greater detail and it has wonderful figures but detail and it has wonderful figures but detail and it has wonderful figures but um um that's that's that's i think that's basically i think that's basically i think that's basically the gist of it it's it's not necessarily the gist of it it's it's not necessarily the gist of it it's it's not necessarily something new so much is like something new so much is like something new so much is like very comprehensive and covering oh the very comprehensive and covering oh the very comprehensive and covering oh the muscle mass effects like there's studies muscle mass effects like there's studies muscle mass effects like there's studies on sauna you know on sauna you know on sauna you know helping preserve muscle mass and that helping preserve muscle mass and that helping preserve muscle mass and that how that we talk we argue how that has
1:32how that we talk we argue how that has how that we talk we argue how that has effects for you know age-related effects for you know age-related effects for you know age-related sarcopenia sarcopenia sarcopenia and so and that has to do with heat and so and that has to do with heat and so and that has to do with heat shock proteins as well shock proteins as well shock proteins as well so we just go into all of that and i've so we just go into all of that and i've so we just go into all of that and i've noticed a benefit to my cardio i've noticed a benefit to my cardio i've noticed a benefit to my cardio i've noticed it noticed it noticed it in doing it on a regular basis that i in doing it on a regular basis that i in doing it on a regular basis that i just seem to have more gas when i'm just seem to have more gas when i'm just seem to have more gas when i'm working out i really think that there's working out i really think that there's working out i really think that there's got to be a connection because what i'm got to be a connection because what i'm got to be a connection because what i'm doing is i'm doing it after workouts doing is i'm doing it after workouts doing is i'm doing it after workouts like today i did a kickboxing workout like today i did a kickboxing workout like today i did a kickboxing workout and then after the workout i do the and then after the workout i do the and then after the workout i do the rounds in the bag and then i sit in the rounds in the bag and then i sit in the rounds in the bag and then i sit in the sauna for 25 minutes and it's just sauna for 25 minutes and it's just sauna for 25 minutes and it's just it does seem like it's more work like it does seem like it's more work like it does seem like it's more work like you're you're my heart is pounding right you're you're my heart is pounding right you're you're my heart is pounding right it's i get in there my heart's pounding it's i get in there my heart's pounding it's i get in there my heart's pounding i'm sweat i'm soaked with sweat and then i'm sweat i'm soaked with sweat and then i'm sweat i'm soaked with sweat and then your heart continues to beat high your heart continues to beat high your heart continues to beat high because you're in this because you're in this because you're in this really extreme heat environment right really extreme heat environment right really extreme heat environment right um you know there there are um you know there there are um you know there there are studies showing that if you combine studies showing that if you combine studies showing that if you combine exercise with the sauna you have exercise with the sauna you have exercise with the sauna you have even more improvement in your cardio even more improvement in your cardio even more improvement in your cardio respiratory fitness than if you exercise respiratory fitness than if you exercise respiratory fitness than if you exercise alone which cardio respiratory fitness
1:33alone which cardio respiratory fitness alone which cardio respiratory fitness is like you know is like you know is like you know it's a it's a big indicator of your it's a it's a big indicator of your it's a it's a big indicator of your physical fitness and it's also an physical fitness and it's also an physical fitness and it's also an indicator of your overall health indicator of your overall health indicator of your overall health so um so um there's additive effects happening with there's additive effects happening with there's additive effects happening with with you know doing aerobic exercise with you know doing aerobic exercise with you know doing aerobic exercise plus doing the sauna i also think plus doing the sauna i also think plus doing the sauna i also think there's you know potentially additive there's you know potentially additive there's you know potentially additive effects for weight training and doing effects for weight training and doing effects for weight training and doing the sauna as well the sauna as well the sauna as well where you're basically where you're basically where you're basically you know you're you're not only like you know you're you're not only like you know you're you're not only like with weight training you're increasing with weight training you're increasing with weight training you're increasing your muscle mass right you're you're your muscle mass right you're you're your muscle mass right you're you're there's a a growth of muscle hypertrophy there's a a growth of muscle hypertrophy there's a a growth of muscle hypertrophy is happening is happening is happening but with the sauna like it's really good but with the sauna like it's really good but with the sauna like it's really good when you're not when you're not when you're not when you're not when you're not doing that work you know to to basically doing that work you know to to basically doing that work you know to to basically increase your muscle mass it's increase your muscle mass it's increase your muscle mass it's preventing it from like preventing it from like preventing it from like degrading you know which is like a degrading you know which is like a degrading you know which is like a balance now there's a time balance now there's a time balance now there's a time after weight training where you should after weight training where you should after weight training where you should not get in the ice bath not get in the ice bath not get in the ice bath right right so we have we just actually right right so we have we just actually right right so we have we just actually released a 23-page article on cold released a 23-page article on cold released a 23-page article on cold exposure on our website and it covers exposure on our website and it covers exposure on our website and it covers all this covers things that we've been all this covers things that we've been
1:34all this covers things that we've been talking about like norepinephrine talking about like norepinephrine talking about like norepinephrine but it also covers this exercise but it also covers this exercise but it also covers this exercise training controversy which i know you training controversy which i know you training controversy which i know you know i've talked about in the past but know i've talked about in the past but know i've talked about in the past but yeah there it seems and and i like more yeah there it seems and and i like more yeah there it seems and and i like more of this needs to be worked out but it of this needs to be worked out but it of this needs to be worked out but it seems as though seems as though seems as though like doing an ice bath immediately after like doing an ice bath immediately after like doing an ice bath immediately after strength training resistance training strength training resistance training strength training resistance training workout workout workout blunts some of the hypertrophy effects blunts some of the hypertrophy effects blunts some of the hypertrophy effects and and when i say media it's like you and and when i say media it's like you and and when i say media it's like you know like five ten minutes know like five ten minutes know like five ten minutes um um i personally think and this is a theory i personally think and this is a theory i personally think and this is a theory it's a hypothesis this hasn't been shown it's a hypothesis this hasn't been shown it's a hypothesis this hasn't been shown but but because some because because some because because some because the cold the cold the cold really blunts inflammation and it causes really blunts inflammation and it causes really blunts inflammation and it causes vasoconstriction you're like you're not vasoconstriction you're like you're not vasoconstriction you're like you're not you know your immune you know your immune you know your immune molecules aren't traveling to the site molecules aren't traveling to the site molecules aren't traveling to the site like muscle as much as they would be or like muscle as much as they would be or like muscle as much as they would be or you know so it's it's it's basically you know so it's it's it's basically you know so it's it's it's basically dampening inflammation you know part of dampening inflammation you know part of dampening inflammation you know part of the the resistance training causes an the the resistance training causes an the the resistance training causes an inflammatory response and this inflammatory response and this inflammatory response and this inflammatory response including like inflammatory response including like inflammatory response including like activation of macrophages which are a activation of macrophages which are a activation of macrophages which are a type of immune cell is important for the
1:35type of immune cell is important for the type of immune cell is important for the increase in what's called igf-1 it's a increase in what's called igf-1 it's a increase in what's called igf-1 it's a growth factor that you make in your growth factor that you make in your growth factor that you make in your muscle in response to exercise it's muscle in response to exercise it's muscle in response to exercise it's important for you know protein synthesis important for you know protein synthesis important for you know protein synthesis and hypertrophy and so um if you look at and hypertrophy and so um if you look at and hypertrophy and so um if you look at graphs of like graphs of like graphs of like the kinetics of igf-1 it peaks the kinetics of igf-1 it peaks the kinetics of igf-1 it peaks after about an hour after about an hour after about an hour after after resistance training and then after after resistance training and then after after resistance training and then you know starts to go back and normalize you know starts to go back and normalize you know starts to go back and normalize and so i personally think that if you and so i personally think that if you and so i personally think that if you do do do cold exposure within that hour after cold exposure within that hour after cold exposure within that hour after your resistance training you might be your resistance training you might be your resistance training you might be blunting that inflammatory effect that's blunting that inflammatory effect that's blunting that inflammatory effect that's respo that's important for respo that's important for respo that's important for um igf-1 whereas the sauna would um igf-1 whereas the sauna would um igf-1 whereas the sauna would actually benefit you yeah the sauna actually benefit you yeah the sauna actually benefit you yeah the sauna doesn't do that the sauna doesn't doesn't do that the sauna doesn't doesn't do that the sauna doesn't actually like like exercise it actually actually like like exercise it actually actually like like exercise it actually increases inflammation and increases inflammation and increases inflammation and you know in this paper we argue that you know in this paper we argue that you know in this paper we argue that like there's a hormetic effect um in like there's a hormetic effect um in like there's a hormetic effect um in other words like a little bit of stress other words like a little bit of stress other words like a little bit of stress is beneficial because then you have this is beneficial because then you have this is beneficial because then you have this anti-inflammatory effect happens with anti-inflammatory effect happens with anti-inflammatory effect happens with exercise and exercise and exercise and some preliminary evidence not like super some preliminary evidence not like super some preliminary evidence not like super big studies suggest that also happens
1:36big studies suggest that also happens big studies suggest that also happens with with with sauna sauna so so you know you're it's a different you know you're it's a different you know you're it's a different thing that's happening in terms of uh thing that's happening in terms of uh thing that's happening in terms of uh cold versus versus a sauna so should you cold versus versus a sauna so should you cold versus versus a sauna so should you say if you train weights in the morning say if you train weights in the morning say if you train weights in the morning should you wait until the afternoon to should you wait until the afternoon to should you wait until the afternoon to do an ice bath if you were going to do do an ice bath if you were going to do do an ice bath if you were going to do it or should should you do it on it or should should you do it on it or should should you do it on different days just to be safer different days just to be safer different days just to be safer i don't know to be honest we don't have i don't know to be honest we don't have i don't know to be honest we don't have any evidence to know for sure i any evidence to know for sure i any evidence to know for sure i personally think personally think personally think that if you're waiting until later like that if you're waiting until later like that if you're waiting until later like several hours later several hours later several hours later you're you're already getting you know you're you're already getting you know you're you're already getting you know your your your your your your anti-inflammatory effect has already anti-inflammatory effect has already anti-inflammatory effect has already been activated through the inflammation been activated through the inflammation been activated through the inflammation induced by exercise induced by exercise induced by exercise you know so i don't you know so i don't you know so i don't can't see why doing the cold would then can't see why doing the cold would then can't see why doing the cold would then blunt that because you've already gone blunt that because you've already gone blunt that because you've already gone through it you know but through it you know but through it you know but without actual data it's hard to know without actual data it's hard to know without actual data it's hard to know right it would be a hypothesis i would right it would be a hypothesis i would right it would be a hypothesis i would think that it would be okay to be honest think that it would be okay to be honest think that it would be okay to be honest so so i mean that's well through your i mean that's well through your i mean that's well through your discussions on this podcast and through discussions on this podcast and through discussions on this podcast and through um
1:37um many other discussions that have come many other discussions that have come many other discussions that have come out of that i think out of that i think out of that i think there's been a giant rush a giant change there's been a giant rush a giant change there's been a giant rush a giant change in the way um people think of sauna and in the way um people think of sauna and in the way um people think of sauna and how many more people are using sauna i how many more people are using sauna i how many more people are using sauna i can't tell you how many of my friends can't tell you how many of my friends can't tell you how many of my friends who never who never who never had any interest in using sauna before had any interest in using sauna before had any interest in using sauna before are now like complete sauna junkies yeah are now like complete sauna junkies yeah are now like complete sauna junkies yeah really interesting it's it's awesome i really interesting it's it's awesome i really interesting it's it's awesome i mean i like i said i think mean i like i said i think mean i like i said i think that paper i think it's improving health that paper i think it's improving health that paper i think it's improving health span and i and i think it's not just span and i and i think it's not just span and i and i think it's not just people that don't exercise i think it's people that don't exercise i think it's people that don't exercise i think it's like you're getting a benefit if you like you're getting a benefit if you like you're getting a benefit if you also exercise if you're already also exercise if you're already also exercise if you're already physically active like an additive physically active like an additive physically active like an additive benefit so benefit so benefit so um that makes me happy plus i also think um that makes me happy plus i also think um that makes me happy plus i also think there's lots of effects on mood there's lots of effects on mood there's lots of effects on mood and um you know and um you know and um you know but i also wish everyone could take the but i also wish everyone could take the but i also wish everyone could take the fish oil pill that fish oil pill that fish oil pill that we we talked about like you know if we we talked about like you know if we we talked about like you know if everyone took it then we might have a everyone took it then we might have a everyone took it then we might have a crisis with the with the they're not crisis with the with the they're not crisis with the with the they're not gonna take it you're never gonna get gonna take it you're never gonna get gonna take it you're never gonna get everyone to take it have you ever had everyone to take it have you ever had everyone to take it have you ever had your omega-3 index measured
1:38your omega-3 index measured your omega-3 index measured i have yes do you know the difference i have yes do you know the difference i have yes do you know the difference between what the omega-3 index is versus between what the omega-3 index is versus between what the omega-3 index is versus like just measuring your omega-3 so like just measuring your omega-3 so like just measuring your omega-3 so omega-3 index specifically refers to omega-3 index specifically refers to omega-3 index specifically refers to measuring omega-3 in red blood cells measuring omega-3 in red blood cells measuring omega-3 in red blood cells and versus what most companies will do and versus what most companies will do and versus what most companies will do they'll look at like plasma phospholipid they'll look at like plasma phospholipid they'll look at like plasma phospholipid and the omega-3 index is important and the omega-3 index is important and the omega-3 index is important because because it's a long-term marker for blood it's a long-term marker for blood it's a long-term marker for blood glucose your red blood cells you glucose your red blood cells you glucose your red blood cells you accumulate in the cell membrane and accumulate in the cell membrane and accumulate in the cell membrane and you know your red blood cells take 28 you know your red blood cells take 28 you know your red blood cells take 28 days before they turn over and so days before they turn over and so days before they turn over and so whereas if you were to have some whereas if you were to have some whereas if you were to have some sardines or whatever like and then go sardines or whatever like and then go sardines or whatever like and then go get your omega-3 levels measured get your omega-3 levels measured get your omega-3 levels measured it it could be it could skew the data it it could be it could skew the data it it could be it could skew the data such that like oh i've got great omega-3 such that like oh i've got great omega-3 such that like oh i've got great omega-3 levels you know because plasma levels you know because plasma levels you know because plasma phospholipids are kind of like the phospholipids are kind of like the phospholipids are kind of like the short-term like they're really short-term like they're really short-term like they're really responsive to your diet responsive to your diet responsive to your diet um um whereas the actual it's kind of like whereas the actual it's kind of like whereas the actual it's kind of like hbao1c hbao1c hbao1c long-term marker for um blood glucose long-term marker for um blood glucose long-term marker for um blood glucose levels versus just measuring your blood levels versus just measuring your blood levels versus just measuring your blood glucose levels like well you could have glucose levels like well you could have glucose levels like well you could have just eaten that's why they're high and just eaten that's why they're high and just eaten that's why they're high and right so like your hba1c is like that right so like your hba1c is like that
1:39right so like your hba1c is like that long-term marker so omega-3 index is long-term marker so omega-3 index is long-term marker so omega-3 index is kind of like that kind of like that kind of like that um um dr bill harris and he had a collaborator dr bill harris and he had a collaborator dr bill harris and he had a collaborator um i forget his name but they they kind um i forget his name but they they kind um i forget his name but they they kind of co-invented this back in gosh early of co-invented this back in gosh early of co-invented this back in gosh early 2000's or something 2000's or something 2000's or something but um but um he he argues he he argues he he argues that that the omega-3 index is like predictive for the omega-3 index is like predictive for the omega-3 index is like predictive for cardiovascular disease like as much if cardiovascular disease like as much if cardiovascular disease like as much if not better than like cholesterol and not better than like cholesterol and not better than like cholesterol and he's had a couple of interesting studies he's had a couple of interesting studies he's had a couple of interesting studies that came out that came out that came out um um on mortality and looking at the omega-3 on mortality and looking at the omega-3 on mortality and looking at the omega-3 index so like there's one study index so like there's one study index so like there's one study that he did was published last april so that he did was published last april so that he did was published last april so a few months ago and it was like 17 a few months ago and it was like 17 a few months ago and it was like 17 different studies included and he looked different studies included and he looked different studies included and he looked at the omega-3 index at the omega-3 index at the omega-3 index and he found that people that had and he found that people that had and he found that people that had an omega-3 index like above seven an omega-3 index like above seven an omega-3 index like above seven percent percent percent versus like the low on the low end which versus like the low on the low end which versus like the low on the low end which was less than four percent was less than four percent was less than four percent they were they were they were 17 like likely to die prematurely of all 17 like likely to die prematurely of all 17 like likely to die prematurely of all causes including accidents causes including accidents
1:40causes including accidents like that's weird right it wasn't just like that's weird right it wasn't just like that's weird right it wasn't just like age-related diseases it was like age-related diseases it was like age-related diseases it was all all all premature death causes premature death causes premature death causes like omega-3 is like making people not like omega-3 is like making people not like omega-3 is like making people not like take some kind of risk i don't know like take some kind of risk i don't know like take some kind of risk i don't know anyways i found that fascinating that anyways i found that fascinating that anyways i found that fascinating that was the first study okay so you're 17 was the first study okay so you're 17 was the first study okay so you're 17 likely so if you're in that high group likely so if you're in that high group likely so if you're in that high group versus versus low so a lot higher than versus versus low so a lot higher than versus versus low so a lot higher than seven percent versus less than four seven percent versus less than four seven percent versus less than four you're also 21 less likely to die from you're also 21 less likely to die from you're also 21 less likely to die from cardiovascular disease cardiovascular disease cardiovascular disease so that was the first study that was so that was the first study that was so that was the first study that was interesting and the and the premature interesting and the and the premature interesting and the and the premature all-cause thing was what got me i was all-cause thing was what got me i was all-cause thing was what got me i was like like they're less likely to like get in some they're less likely to like get in some they're less likely to like get in some kind of crazy accident that causes them kind of crazy accident that causes them kind of crazy accident that causes them to die to die to die so um so um as you and i know omega-3 affects the as you and i know omega-3 affects the as you and i know omega-3 affects the brain but brain but brain but the other study he just published last the other study he just published last the other study he just published last june or something june or something june or something and it was a framingham study which is and it was a framingham study which is and it was a framingham study which is also a huge cohort and he looked at the also a huge cohort and he looked at the also a huge cohort and he looked at the omega-3 index and he found again people omega-3 index and he found again people omega-3 index and he found again people in the high end like greater than seven in the high end like greater than seven in the high end like greater than seven percent percent they had a mortality they had a life they had a mortality they had a life they had a mortality they had a life expectancy that was five years longer expectancy that was five years longer expectancy that was five years longer than people in
1:41than people in than people in the lower um the lower um the lower um range that's less than four percent and range that's less than four percent and range that's less than four percent and this was like after adjusting for all this was like after adjusting for all this was like after adjusting for all kinds of factors now remember kinds of factors now remember kinds of factors now remember most people they do these dietary most people they do these dietary most people they do these dietary questionnaires when they're looking at questionnaires when they're looking at questionnaires when they're looking at omega-3 like how much fish do you eat do omega-3 like how much fish do you eat do omega-3 like how much fish do you eat do you take supplements like they're you take supplements like they're you take supplements like they're measuring something like this is measuring something like this is measuring something like this is measured in your blood this is a measured in your blood this is a measured in your blood this is a long-term marker like this is this is long-term marker like this is this is long-term marker like this is this is real data right real data right real data right um so five-year increase in life expense um so five-year increase in life expense um so five-year increase in life expense expectancy like that's huge compared to expectancy like that's huge compared to expectancy like that's huge compared to people people people like you know on the on the low end of like you know on the on the low end of like you know on the on the low end of the range the range the range and in fact in japan and in fact in japan and in fact in japan most peop you know what the average most peop you know what the average most peop you know what the average omega-3 index of people in the united omega-3 index of people in the united omega-3 index of people in the united states is like five percent states is like five percent states is like five percent so you had to be slightly more than that so you had to be slightly more than that so you had to be slightly more than that seven percent greater than seven percent seven percent greater than seven percent seven percent greater than seven percent to to have the you know longevity to to have the you know longevity to to have the you know longevity benefits benefits benefits in japan their average is like 10 or in japan their average is like 10 or in japan their average is like 10 or more omega-3 mine was 11.7 percent more omega-3 mine was 11.7 percent more omega-3 mine was 11.7 percent because i take massive i take you know because i take massive i take you know because i take massive i take you know four grams a day of fish oil to 2 grams four grams a day of fish oil to 2 grams four grams a day of fish oil to 2 grams of epa 2 grams of dha but anyways you
1:42of epa 2 grams of dha but anyways you of epa 2 grams of dha but anyways you know japan has a five-year life know japan has a five-year life know japan has a five-year life expectancy increase over people in the expectancy increase over people in the expectancy increase over people in the united states united states united states where you're talking an average omega-3 where you're talking an average omega-3 where you're talking an average omega-3 index of 5 index of 5 index of 5 versus like 10. versus like 10. versus like 10. interesting right yeah um interesting right yeah um interesting right yeah um is there a plant-based version of is there a plant-based version of is there a plant-based version of omega-3s that's omega-3s that's omega-3s that's that's good that's good that's good good-ish yeah there is there's a micro good-ish yeah there is there's a micro good-ish yeah there is there's a micro microalgae so good point like the the microalgae so good point like the the microalgae so good point like the the the plant omega-3 like alpha linoleic the plant omega-3 like alpha linoleic the plant omega-3 like alpha linoleic acid ala acid ala acid ala is like in flaxseed and walnuts and is like in flaxseed and walnuts and is like in flaxseed and walnuts and i don't know something else soybeans i don't know something else soybeans i don't know something else soybeans but but you have to convert it into epa and dha you have to convert it into epa and dha you have to convert it into epa and dha and it's like that conversion's not very and it's like that conversion's not very and it's like that conversion's not very good it varies a lot from person to good it varies a lot from person to good it varies a lot from person to person and some of these benefits like person and some of these benefits like person and some of these benefits like getting an omega-3 index of getting an omega-3 index of getting an omega-3 index of like greater than seven percent you're like greater than seven percent you're like greater than seven percent you're never going to get that from ala from no never going to get that from ala from no never going to get that from ala from no no no way no no way no no way but but um but you can take microalgae and um but you can take microalgae and um but you can take microalgae and microalgae actually is the source of
1:43microalgae actually is the source of microalgae actually is the source of of dha and epa in fish like the fish eat of dha and epa in fish like the fish eat of dha and epa in fish like the fish eat that and it concentrates in their in that and it concentrates in their in that and it concentrates in their in their fat and stuff but um their fat and stuff but um their fat and stuff but um it's still like the microalgae pills it's still like the microalgae pills it's still like the microalgae pills like like are not very concentrated compared to are not very concentrated compared to are not very concentrated compared to fish oil fish oil fish oil you know well if you get pure microalgae you know well if you get pure microalgae you know well if you get pure microalgae you know you can get some of that stuff you know you can get some of that stuff you know you can get some of that stuff where you mix it in water yeah you get where you mix it in water yeah you get where you mix it in water yeah you get like the spoonfuls yeah you can take a like the spoonfuls yeah you can take a like the spoonfuls yeah you can take a lot more that would be the way to go lot more that would be the way to go lot more that would be the way to go that would definitely be the way to go that would definitely be the way to go that would definitely be the way to go get the stuff that you can mix in get the stuff that you can mix in get the stuff that you can mix in in um whatever or just take it like in um whatever or just take it like in um whatever or just take it like medicine it has to be refrigerated yeah medicine it has to be refrigerated yeah medicine it has to be refrigerated yeah yeah definitely have to be refrigerated yeah definitely have to be refrigerated yeah definitely have to be refrigerated you know there's lots of oxidation that you know there's lots of oxidation that you know there's lots of oxidation that are that's possible from are that's possible from are that's possible from polyunsaturated fatty acids which ep and polyunsaturated fatty acids which ep and polyunsaturated fatty acids which ep and dha are dha are dha are but um a lot of the therapeutic studies but um a lot of the therapeutic studies but um a lot of the therapeutic studies like they've done randomized controlled like they've done randomized controlled like they've done randomized controlled trials showing trials showing trials showing you know that you can like drop you know that you can like drop you know that you can like drop cardiovascular cardiovascular death by like 25 if you give death by like 25 if you give death by like 25 if you give people with heart people with heart people with heart a various range of heart diseases a various range of heart diseases a various range of heart diseases you know four grams of a purified form you know four grams of a purified form you know four grams of a purified form of epa it's called basipa of epa it's called basipa of epa it's called basipa it's a prescription strength
1:44it's a prescription strength it's a prescription strength vesipa vesipa vesipa v a s v a s v a s epa and it's it is a high epa it's epa and it's it is a high epa it's epa and it's it is a high epa it's purified epa and you can you can get it purified epa and you can you can get it purified epa and you can you can get it prescribed from your doctor prescribed from your doctor prescribed from your doctor if your triglycerides are over a certain if your triglycerides are over a certain if your triglycerides are over a certain level i don't level i don't level i don't know what that level is but it's know what that level is but it's know what that level is but it's something that's like a prescription something that's like a prescription something that's like a prescription strength strength strength which i actually want to get my mom which i actually want to get my mom which i actually want to get my mom taking um but taking um but taking um but you know so that what i'm getting at is you know so that what i'm getting at is you know so that what i'm getting at is the therapeutic effects for many of the therapeutic effects for many of the therapeutic effects for many of these you know cardiovascular related um these you know cardiovascular related um these you know cardiovascular related um diseases happen at a high dose diseases happen at a high dose diseases happen at a high dose where where where taking a micro algae like like i don't taking a micro algae like like i don't taking a micro algae like like i don't know how many spoonfuls like how many know how many spoonfuls like how many know how many spoonfuls like how many tablespoons or whatever you have to take tablespoons or whatever you have to take tablespoons or whatever you have to take but but probably quite a quite a bit that's probably quite a quite a bit that's probably quite a quite a bit that's totally nasty too totally nasty too totally nasty too i've never i've never tried i've tried i've never i've never tried i've tried i've never i've never tried i've tried like the carlson's one like a long time like the carlson's one like a long time like the carlson's one like a long time ago i used to take that ago i used to take that ago i used to take that um but um but you know that was fish oil not micro you know that was fish oil not micro you know that was fish oil not micro algae oil so i haven't tried that yeah algae oil so i haven't tried that yeah algae oil so i haven't tried that yeah i've tried carlson's fish oil i've had i've tried carlson's fish oil i've had i've tried carlson's fish oil i've had that the spoonful of stuff they they
1:45that the spoonful of stuff they they that the spoonful of stuff they they have carlson's has like a bunch of have carlson's has like a bunch of have carlson's has like a bunch of different flavors too they have like an different flavors too they have like an different flavors too they have like an orange flavor and a lemon flavor that's orange flavor and a lemon flavor that's orange flavor and a lemon flavor that's supposed to make it taste a little supposed to make it taste a little supposed to make it taste a little better but i'm always a little reluctant better but i'm always a little reluctant better but i'm always a little reluctant because i'm like what is that lemon because i'm like what is that lemon because i'm like what is that lemon what's it masking right because when you what's it masking right because when you what's it masking right because when you eat rancid fish oil eat rancid fish oil eat rancid fish oil you know it tastes like it tastes nasty you know it tastes like it tastes nasty you know it tastes like it tastes nasty gross it tastes disgusting it smells gross it tastes disgusting it smells gross it tastes disgusting it smells gross but yeah gross but yeah gross but yeah there's a website called the there's a website called the there's a website called the international fish oil standards ifso international fish oil standards ifso international fish oil standards ifso and they sort of like and they sort of like and they sort of like lots they rank i mean not rank they um lots they rank i mean not rank they um lots they rank i mean not rank they um they analyze data from lots and lots of they analyze data from lots and lots of they analyze data from lots and lots of different companies that make fish oil different companies that make fish oil different companies that make fish oil and um they they give you all this data and um they they give you all this data and um they they give you all this data based on like concentration of epa and based on like concentration of epa and based on like concentration of epa and dha that's actually in the supplement dha that's actually in the supplement dha that's actually in the supplement the ox what's called total oxidation the ox what's called total oxidation the ox what's called total oxidation levels totals and that's important you levels totals and that's important you levels totals and that's important you want less than 10. want less than 10. want less than 10. it has the mercury levels like pcbs so it has the mercury levels like pcbs so it has the mercury levels like pcbs so they have lots of data and you can they have lots of data and you can they have lots of data and you can scroll through their website and look at scroll through their website and look at scroll through their website and look at each product sheet and you have to kind each product sheet and you have to kind each product sheet and you have to kind of do it often because they update this of do it often because they update this of do it often because they update this you know every so often but you know every so often but you know every so often but i've put together like i've gone through i've put together like i've gone through i've put together like i've gone through them all and made an excel sheet on like
1:46them all and made an excel sheet on like them all and made an excel sheet on like all the different brands and like again all the different brands and like again all the different brands and like again like the concentration and the like the concentration and the like the concentration and the um the um the um the total oxidation and the mercury and all total oxidation and the mercury and all total oxidation and the mercury and all that and uh just i'm i'm actually just that and uh just i'm i'm actually just that and uh just i'm i'm actually just getting ready to post a like screenshot getting ready to post a like screenshot getting ready to post a like screenshot video of me doing that like on youtube video of me doing that like on youtube video of me doing that like on youtube showing people and like what i think showing people and like what i think showing people and like what i think some of the top brands are i have no some of the top brands are i have no some of the top brands are i have no affiliation it's just me affiliation it's just me affiliation it's just me helping people try to analyze this data helping people try to analyze this data helping people try to analyze this data because they've said it like a million because they've said it like a million because they've said it like a million times on social media people still times on social media people still times on social media people still don't know how to do it because it's don't know how to do it because it's don't know how to do it because it's kind of complicated so hopefully that'll kind of complicated so hopefully that'll kind of complicated so hopefully that'll help people find some brands that help people find some brands that help people find some brands that have again you have to like this is you have again you have to like this is you have again you have to like this is you know you never know each batch could be know you never know each batch could be know you never know each batch could be different too right so different too right so different too right so so um i think that's something so um i think that's something so um i think that's something useful as well do what is the specific useful as well do what is the specific useful as well do what is the specific brand you use well i use one that's not brand you use well i use one that's not brand you use well i use one that's not available like a friend of mine in available like a friend of mine in available like a friend of mine in norway makes it it's called npr3 it's norway makes it it's called npr3 it's norway makes it it's called npr3 it's not available it's not commercially not available it's not commercially not available it's not commercially available like he like sends it to me available like he like sends it to me available like he like sends it to me like he like you know he hasn't like like he like you know he hasn't like like he like you know he hasn't like scaled it scaled it scaled it you know he's so big on not you know he's so big on not you know he's so big on not compromising the like total oxidation compromising the like total oxidation compromising the like total oxidation all that like sometimes when you scale
1:47all that like sometimes when you scale all that like sometimes when you scale things up things get compromised and so things up things get compromised and so things up things get compromised and so um um i don't you know he he like is trying to i don't you know he he like is trying to i don't you know he he like is trying to figure that out so he doesn't sell it figure that out so he doesn't sell it figure that out so he doesn't sell it commercially no uh i think he might in commercially no uh i think he might in commercially no uh i think he might in norway maybe like i think like he does norway maybe like i think like he does norway maybe like i think like he does do it in norway but do it in norway but do it in norway but um the pandemic like shuts stuff down so um the pandemic like shuts stuff down so um the pandemic like shuts stuff down so i'm not sure like if he's back up or not i'm not sure like if he's back up or not i'm not sure like if he's back up or not but but he sends it to me and but but he sends it to me and but but he sends it to me and it's like the highest quality fish oil it's like the highest quality fish oil it's like the highest quality fish oil i've ever i've ever i've ever like i could i could get you some if you like i could i could get you some if you like i could i could get you some if you want to try it but it's really good so want to try it but it's really good so want to try it but it's really good so they have high epa and he has high dha they have high epa and he has high dha they have high epa and he has high dha and so i take the high epa i take two and so i take the high epa i take two and so i take the high epa i take two grams in the morning and then i take the grams in the morning and then i take the grams in the morning and then i take the two grams of dha in the evening two grams of dha in the evening two grams of dha in the evening so i separate them i don't know if it's so i separate them i don't know if it's so i separate them i don't know if it's necessary to separate them necessary to separate them necessary to separate them there was some like you know evidence there was some like you know evidence there was some like you know evidence conflicting in the literature like oh conflicting in the literature like oh conflicting in the literature like oh maybe maybe maybe maybe dha like if you take it at the maybe dha like if you take it at the maybe dha like if you take it at the same time can compete with the epa or same time can compete with the epa or same time can compete with the epa or you know something like that it's not you know something like that it's not you know something like that it's not really known i'm not sure if that's the really known i'm not sure if that's the really known i'm not sure if that's the case at all what is the sources for the case at all what is the sources for the case at all what is the sources for the fish oil like what fish fish oil like what fish fish oil like what fish um he uses
1:48um he uses um he uses herring and herring and herring and i think a mixture of another one as well i think a mixture of another one as well i think a mixture of another one as well but his but his but his his like his like his like contaminant level is like bottom out contaminant level is like bottom out contaminant level is like bottom out like like like things of like arsenic mercury all like things of like arsenic mercury all like things of like arsenic mercury all that stuff is like really low that stuff is like really low that stuff is like really low um um now when we were kids cod liver oil was now when we were kids cod liver oil was now when we were kids cod liver oil was something that people always recommended something that people always recommended something that people always recommended is there is there is there any science to that any science to that any science to that well cod liver oil is you know it's hot well cod liver oil is you know it's hot well cod liver oil is you know it's hot the micronutrient is most high in is the micronutrient is most high in is the micronutrient is most high in is vitamin a it also has vitamin d and it vitamin a it also has vitamin d and it vitamin a it also has vitamin d and it has omega-3 has omega-3 has omega-3 i personally don't take cod liver oil i personally don't take cod liver oil i personally don't take cod liver oil because because i i think think think that omega-3s are that omega-3s are that omega-3s are like i think they're good i think they like i think they're good i think they like i think they're good i think they have a huge have a huge have a huge anti-aging effect and this is not like anti-aging effect and this is not like anti-aging effect and this is not like look this isn't it's been shown okay look this isn't it's been shown okay look this isn't it's been shown okay it's just how i it's like my opinion it's just how i it's like my opinion it's just how i it's like my opinion okay it's my opinion so um okay it's my opinion so um okay it's my opinion so um so i'm trying to get high enough doses so i'm trying to get high enough doses so i'm trying to get high enough doses if i were to take that from i would if i were to take that from i would if i were to take that from i would overdose on vitamin a like i would it overdose on vitamin a like i would it overdose on vitamin a like i would it would be like toxic because vitamin a would be like toxic because vitamin a would be like toxic because vitamin a like you there's an upper limit so i
1:49like you there's an upper limit so i like you there's an upper limit so i couldn't get that from cod liver oil couldn't get that from cod liver oil couldn't get that from cod liver oil what about in addition to is there a what about in addition to is there a what about in addition to is there a benefit in taking it if you want to get benefit in taking it if you want to get benefit in taking it if you want to get your vitamin a and vitamin d through cod your vitamin a and vitamin d through cod your vitamin a and vitamin d through cod liver oil you could i don't i don't liver oil you could i don't i don't liver oil you could i don't i don't think it's bad for you think it's bad for you think it's bad for you like you know what i mean but it's a way like you know what i mean but it's a way like you know what i mean but it's a way to get vitamin d other than the sun it to get vitamin d other than the sun it to get vitamin d other than the sun it is but you can also take a vitamin d is but you can also take a vitamin d is but you can also take a vitamin d supplement what are you getting it in supplement what are you getting it in supplement what are you getting it in the same sort of like when when you're the same sort of like when when you're the same sort of like when when you're saying you're getting vitamin d like are saying you're getting vitamin d like are saying you're getting vitamin d like are you getting like 5000 ius like what kind you getting like 5000 ius like what kind you getting like 5000 ius like what kind of that's the thing with the cod liver of that's the thing with the cod liver of that's the thing with the cod liver oil oil oil i don't think i don't think i don't think that the vitamin a concentration in that the vitamin a concentration in that the vitamin a concentration in every way always gets in the way for me every way always gets in the way for me every way always gets in the way for me where it's like if i want to take four where it's like if i want to take four where it's like if i want to take four to five thousand i use vitamin d i'd be to five thousand i use vitamin d i'd be to five thousand i use vitamin d i'd be oding on cause i'm in the vitamin a i'd oding on cause i'm in the vitamin a i'd oding on cause i'm in the vitamin a i'd be like toxic got it so i i just can't be like toxic got it so i i just can't be like toxic got it so i i just can't so you're better off taking a vitamin d so you're better off taking a vitamin d so you're better off taking a vitamin d supplement in addition supplement in addition supplement in addition in my opinion yes because i think you in my opinion yes because i think you in my opinion yes because i think you know having vitamin d levels between know having vitamin d levels between know having vitamin d levels between like 40 and 60 nanograms per mil like 40 and 60 nanograms per mil like 40 and 60 nanograms per mil um is is is optimal and that and for me um is is is optimal and that and for me um is is is optimal and that and for me to get that for myself i have to take to get that for myself i have to take to get that for myself i have to take four to five thousand i use well four to five thousand i use well four to five thousand i use well depending on this how much sun exposure depending on this how much sun exposure
1:50depending on this how much sun exposure sometimes in the summer i can go with sometimes in the summer i can go with sometimes in the summer i can go with less but less but less but um it really depends on on the season um it really depends on on the season um it really depends on on the season that was one of the initial factors that that was one of the initial factors that that was one of the initial factors that they found with people that were in the they found with people that were in the they found with people that were in the icu with covet that a large percentage icu with covet that a large percentage icu with covet that a large percentage of them were deficient in vitamin d of them were deficient in vitamin d of them were deficient in vitamin d right yeah i mean so the covid you know right yeah i mean so the covid you know right yeah i mean so the covid you know there there are lifestyle factors i there there are lifestyle factors i there there are lifestyle factors i think that are important for think that are important for think that are important for possibly you know possibly you know possibly you know helping with severity and i think helping with severity and i think helping with severity and i think vitamin d is one vitamin d is one vitamin d is one um the problem is like you know doing a um the problem is like you know doing a um the problem is like you know doing a clinical trial with someone that already clinical trial with someone that already clinical trial with someone that already has covered and then like trying to give has covered and then like trying to give has covered and then like trying to give them vitamin d like you're not going to them vitamin d like you're not going to them vitamin d like you're not going to fix the severity of coboid like with fix the severity of coboid like with fix the severity of coboid like with giving someone a vitamin d3 supplement giving someone a vitamin d3 supplement giving someone a vitamin d3 supplement after they like go into the hospital for after they like go into the hospital for after they like go into the hospital for coverage right like you're not like you coverage right like you're not like you coverage right like you're not like you know there's been a couple of studies know there's been a couple of studies know there's been a couple of studies that's like oh if you give them an that's like oh if you give them an that's like oh if you give them an active form so you have vitamin d3 it active form so you have vitamin d3 it active form so you have vitamin d3 it gets converted into something called 25 gets converted into something called 25 gets converted into something called 25 hydroxy vitamin d in the liver and then hydroxy vitamin d in the liver and then hydroxy vitamin d in the liver and then the liver converts it into the active the liver converts it into the active the liver converts it into the active steroid hormone which is 125 hydroxy steroid hormone which is 125 hydroxy steroid hormone which is 125 hydroxy vitamin d so you can give them something vitamin d so you can give them something vitamin d so you can give them something that doesn't makes it so their liver that doesn't makes it so their liver that doesn't makes it so their liver doesn't have to do that work and there's
1:51doesn't have to do that work and there's doesn't have to do that work and there's been a couple of studies showing it been a couple of studies showing it been a couple of studies showing it helps with people that have already had helps with people that have already had helps with people that have already had covert but again covert but again covert but again there's a large actual clinical study there's a large actual clinical study there's a large actual clinical study that's ongoing right now um being done that's ongoing right now um being done that's ongoing right now um being done by dr joanne manson by dr joanne manson by dr joanne manson she's um looking at prophylactic vitamin she's um looking at prophylactic vitamin she's um looking at prophylactic vitamin d and you know incense like severity and d and you know incense like severity and d and you know incense like severity and since of course and all that and so since of course and all that and so since of course and all that and so um um you know but you know but you know but omega-3s also so bill harris dr bill omega-3s also so bill harris dr bill omega-3s also so bill harris dr bill harris he just published a pilot study harris he just published a pilot study harris he just published a pilot study on on on the omega-3 index the omega-3 index the omega-3 index and and covid death covid death covid death and of course this was a small small and of course this was a small small and of course this was a small small pilot so it was like 100 people and you pilot so it was like 100 people and you pilot so it was like 100 people and you know people with the highest omega-3 know people with the highest omega-3 know people with the highest omega-3 index again it was in that seven percent index again it was in that seven percent index again it was in that seven percent range range range it was and this was not statistically it was and this was not statistically it was and this was not statistically significant it was because there was a significant it was because there was a significant it was because there was a small sample size but there was like a small sample size but there was like a small sample size but there was like a 70 75 reduction in 70 75 reduction in 70 75 reduction in covered mortality no telling i wouldn't covered mortality no telling i wouldn't covered mortality no telling i wouldn't at all tell anyone i mean to take at all tell anyone i mean to take at all tell anyone i mean to take omega-3 to prevent cobalt or to not die omega-3 to prevent cobalt or to not die omega-3 to prevent cobalt or to not die for matter it'll be ridiculous i mean for matter it'll be ridiculous i mean for matter it'll be ridiculous i mean vaccines are what are probably the best vaccines are what are probably the best vaccines are what are probably the best way to prevent yourself from both
1:52way to prevent yourself from both way to prevent yourself from both getting and having a severe coping getting and having a severe coping getting and having a severe coping we could talk about in a minute if you we could talk about in a minute if you we could talk about in a minute if you want i'd like to but um the omega-3 want i'd like to but um the omega-3 want i'd like to but um the omega-3 thing is really interesting because thing is really interesting because thing is really interesting because there was an insilico study there was an insilico study there was an insilico study that showed dha the one of the main that showed dha the one of the main that showed dha the one of the main marine omega-3 fatty acids marine omega-3 fatty acids marine omega-3 fatty acids keeps the spike protein so there's a keeps the spike protein so there's a keeps the spike protein so there's a receptor binding domain on the spike receptor binding domain on the spike receptor binding domain on the spike protein and that receptor binding domain protein and that receptor binding domain protein and that receptor binding domain swings around it goes it goes from open swings around it goes it goes from open swings around it goes it goes from open to close open to close and there's like to close open to close and there's like to close open to close and there's like you know a few of them on a spike you know a few of them on a spike you know a few of them on a spike protein like three or something and when protein like three or something and when protein like three or something and when they're closed like this they can't bind they're closed like this they can't bind they're closed like this they can't bind to the h2 receptor so they can't they to the h2 receptor so they can't they to the h2 receptor so they can't they can't even latch on can't even latch on can't even latch on and there was an interesting study and there was an interesting study and there was an interesting study showing that dha was able to keep it in showing that dha was able to keep it in showing that dha was able to keep it in the closed confirmation the closed confirmation the closed confirmation so this was in silico again so this was in silico again so this was in silico again grain of salt because it's in silico you grain of salt because it's in silico you grain of salt because it's in silico you can't like say anything but i was like can't like say anything but i was like can't like say anything but i was like oh that's interesting there might oh that's interesting there might oh that's interesting there might again for me i'm an omega-3 enthusiast again for me i'm an omega-3 enthusiast again for me i'm an omega-3 enthusiast in a way i i do think like there's a
1:53in a way i i do think like there's a in a way i i do think like there's a huge effect on resolving inflammation huge effect on resolving inflammation huge effect on resolving inflammation not just decreasing it but like after not just decreasing it but like after not just decreasing it but like after your immune system has been activated your immune system has been activated your immune system has been activated there's the protectants the resolvins there's the protectants the resolvins there's the protectants the resolvins the specialized pro-resolving mediators the specialized pro-resolving mediators the specialized pro-resolving mediators the spms like these things are the spms like these things are the spms like these things are resolving the information inflammation resolving the information inflammation resolving the information inflammation so that your immune system doesn't go so that your immune system doesn't go so that your immune system doesn't go crazy and become in this like crazy and become in this like crazy and become in this like hyperinflammatory hyperinflammatory hyperinflammatory mode i think this mode i think this mode i think this potentially could be how it's affecting potentially could be how it's affecting potentially could be how it's affecting longevity i think that inflammation is a longevity i think that inflammation is a longevity i think that inflammation is a major major source of major major source of major major source of driving the aging process driving the aging process driving the aging process and there's been studies that have and there's been studies that have and there's been studies that have looked at for example people that are looked at for example people that are looked at for example people that are centenarians so they live to be 100 centenarians so they live to be 100 centenarians so they live to be 100 people that are elderly so like 80s people that are elderly so like 80s people that are elderly so like 80s people that are semi-super centenarians people that are semi-super centenarians people that are semi-super centenarians are like 105 and then there's super are like 105 and then there's super are like 105 and then there's super centenarians 110. and they've looked at centenarians 110. and they've looked at centenarians 110. and they've looked at a variety of biomarkers telomere length a variety of biomarkers telomere length a variety of biomarkers telomere length immunosine essence immunosine essence immunosine essence you know glucose hbo1c cholesterol like you know glucose hbo1c cholesterol like you know glucose hbo1c cholesterol like the whole thing right tons of them and the whole thing right tons of them and the whole thing right tons of them and the only thing that could predict the only thing that could predict the only thing that could predict a person going to each stage to living a person going to each stage to living a person going to each stage to living to be either than a centenary and then
1:54to be either than a centenary and then to be either than a centenary and then later a semi-super centenarian and then later a semi-super centenarian and then later a semi-super centenarian and then later as super centenarian was later as super centenarian was later as super centenarian was decreasing inflammation like none of the decreasing inflammation like none of the decreasing inflammation like none of the other things predicted each other things predicted each other things predicted each go you know going to the next stage go you know going to the next stage go you know going to the next stage so that to me is very interesting as so that to me is very interesting as so that to me is very interesting as well um the the inflammation was like a well um the the inflammation was like a well um the the inflammation was like a huge predictor of not only like living huge predictor of not only like living huge predictor of not only like living the longest but also the longest but also the longest but also cognitive function as well it was like cognitive function as well it was like cognitive function as well it was like the biggest predictor of cognitive the biggest predictor of cognitive the biggest predictor of cognitive function function function so so you know again it's like you know again it's like you know again it's like the omega-3s to me i'm i'm i'm i'm the omega-3s to me i'm i'm i'm i'm the omega-3s to me i'm i'm i'm i'm convinced that the data is not convinced that the data is not convinced that the data is not quite there yet to quite there yet to quite there yet to actually solidly demonstrate that actually solidly demonstrate that actually solidly demonstrate that like high levels of women like we're like high levels of women like we're like high levels of women like we're talking about seven percent omega-3 talking about seven percent omega-3 talking about seven percent omega-3 index index index and i don't know exactly what it takes and i don't know exactly what it takes and i don't know exactly what it takes to get there like i said i have a to get there like i said i have a to get there like i said i have a 11.7 and i 11.7 and i 11.7 and i take four grams of fish oil all day and take four grams of fish oil all day and take four grams of fish oil all day and i eat sardines and i you know eat salmon i eat sardines and i you know eat salmon i eat sardines and i you know eat salmon so so you know it's kind of i'm like i'm like you know it's kind of i'm like i'm like you know it's kind of i'm like i'm like the japanese cohort the japanese cohort the japanese cohort so i don't know what it takes to get
1:55so i don't know what it takes to get so i don't know what it takes to get above seven above seven above seven but um but um i i think that some of the work coming i i think that some of the work coming i i think that some of the work coming out of bill harris's lab is out of bill harris's lab is out of bill harris's lab is you know pretty you know pretty you know pretty interesting and i think laying the interesting and i think laying the interesting and i think laying the foundation for wait maybe omega-3 is foundation for wait maybe omega-3 is foundation for wait maybe omega-3 is like like a therapeutic type of dose you like like a therapeutic type of dose you like like a therapeutic type of dose you know maybe there's know maybe there's know maybe there's again i'm taking an experimental dose again i'm taking an experimental dose again i'm taking an experimental dose like what i'm doing is experimental like like what i'm doing is experimental like like what i'm doing is experimental like that's not like this isn't something is that's not like this isn't something is that's not like this isn't something is there any perceived downsides to such there any perceived downsides to such there any perceived downsides to such high doses so i asked dr dr harris about high doses so i asked dr dr harris about high doses so i asked dr dr harris about that i he he flew out for a podcast like that i he he flew out for a podcast like that i he he flew out for a podcast like last week and this guy by the way he last week and this guy by the way he last week and this guy by the way he he started the whole omega-3 thing like he started the whole omega-3 thing like he started the whole omega-3 thing like back in like the eight he started back in like the eight he started back in like the eight he started studying it after the whole you know the studying it after the whole you know the studying it after the whole you know the icelandic greenlan greenland inuits and icelandic greenlan greenland inuits and icelandic greenlan greenland inuits and they're like lower cardiovascular they're like lower cardiovascular they're like lower cardiovascular disease and so this like he he was like disease and so this like he he was like disease and so this like he he was like pioneering on the effects of omega-3 pioneering on the effects of omega-3 pioneering on the effects of omega-3 particularly in heart health but so he's particularly in heart health but so he's particularly in heart health but so he's been studying it for decades been studying it for decades been studying it for decades and and so i asked him like you know is there so i asked him like you know is there so i asked him like you know is there like what's the negative effects like he
1:56like what's the negative effects like he like what's the negative effects like he was giving people 25 grams of omega-3 was giving people 25 grams of omega-3 was giving people 25 grams of omega-3 back in the 80s whoa 20 and like doing back in the 80s whoa 20 and like doing back in the 80s whoa 20 and like doing like metabolic studies smelled like fish like metabolic studies smelled like fish like metabolic studies smelled like fish yeah he said they were giving them yeah he said they were giving them yeah he said they were giving them three salmon steaks and a big like three salmon steaks and a big like three salmon steaks and a big like i forgot how much but like i forgot how much but like i forgot how much but like a total 25 grams but salmon oil pure a total 25 grams but salmon oil pure a total 25 grams but salmon oil pure salmon oil he was 25 grams total like salmon oil he was 25 grams total like salmon oil he was 25 grams total like they were just getting they were just getting they were just getting massive doses so you think if anyone massive doses so you think if anyone massive doses so you think if anyone knows about negative effects with high knows about negative effects with high knows about negative effects with high dose it would be him dose it would be him dose it would be him and um and um he thinks that you know so so in that he thinks that you know so so in that he thinks that you know so so in that particular study there was one particular study there was one particular study there was one patient like one participant that patient like one participant that patient like one participant that had had had a bleed like the bleeding thing you know a bleed like the bleeding thing you know a bleed like the bleeding thing you know where it was like maybe one out of oh i where it was like maybe one out of oh i where it was like maybe one out of oh i don't remember i don't remember like we don't remember i don't remember like we don't remember i don't remember like we i the podcast is coming out in a couple i the podcast is coming out in a couple i the podcast is coming out in a couple of weeks okay if you want to listen to of weeks okay if you want to listen to of weeks okay if you want to listen to it but i i don't remember but he small it but i i don't remember but he small it but i i don't remember but he small study small study exactly but he's gone study small study exactly but he's gone study small study exactly but he's gone on you know since then you know so part on you know since then you know so part on you know since then you know so part of the part of the concern and we talked
1:57of the part of the concern and we talked of the part of the concern and we talked all about this bleeding thing and he all about this bleeding thing and he all about this bleeding thing and he really doesn't think it's that big of a really doesn't think it's that big of a really doesn't think it's that big of a concern to be honest and he you know concern to be honest and he you know concern to be honest and he you know talked about how talked about how talked about how um um you know in japan you know in japan you know in japan like they are they're basically like like they are they're basically like like they are they're basically like they have less than like where their they have less than like where their they have less than like where their omega-3 index is high they're not like omega-3 index is high they're not like omega-3 index is high they're not like bleeding as much during surgery or some bleeding as much during surgery or some bleeding as much during surgery or some stuff i don't know he was giving some stuff i don't know he was giving some stuff i don't know he was giving some some evidence of that but some evidence of that but some evidence of that but it does um the omega-3s do affect your it does um the omega-3s do affect your it does um the omega-3s do affect your leukotrienes and prostaglandins and leukotrienes and prostaglandins and leukotrienes and prostaglandins and things that do affect you know like things that do affect you know like things that do affect you know like platelet aggregation and stuff but like platelet aggregation and stuff but like platelet aggregation and stuff but like i i don't like maybe it could be bad if i i don't like maybe it could be bad if i i don't like maybe it could be bad if you have some kind of disorder you have some kind of disorder you have some kind of disorder or you're you know taking some kind of or you're you know taking some kind of or you're you know taking some kind of you know crazy blood thinning medication you know crazy blood thinning medication you know crazy blood thinning medication he argues that's really not even that he argues that's really not even that he argues that's really not even that much of a concern but um you know much of a concern but um you know much of a concern but um you know the other concern is that people that the other concern is that people that the other concern is that people that already have a already have a already have a cardiovascular problem cardiovascular problem cardiovascular problem um um there's been a small increase in there's been a small increase in there's been a small increase in arrhythmias arrhythmias in some some of these people and it's in some some of these people and it's in some some of these people and it's not known why not known why not known why and in fact if you look at for example
1:58and in fact if you look at for example and in fact if you look at for example afib afib afib the the end result of afib that's bad is the the end result of afib that's bad is the the end result of afib that's bad is stroke stroke stroke and omega-3s have been shown to reduce and omega-3s have been shown to reduce and omega-3s have been shown to reduce stroke incidence stroke incidence stroke incidence so it's like well if it was like really so it's like well if it was like really so it's like well if it was like really causing afib or doing something bad then causing afib or doing something bad then causing afib or doing something bad then like you should see an increased stroke like you should see an increased stroke like you should see an increased stroke incidence or like no effect but no it incidence or like no effect but no it incidence or like no effect but no it decreases stroke incidence decreases stroke incidence decreases stroke incidence but it's not having it's not fun having but it's not having it's not fun having but it's not having it's not fun having afib like so i don't and and again this afib like so i don't and and again this afib like so i don't and and again this is super like is super like is super like preliminary it's not really known it's preliminary it's not really known it's preliminary it's not really known it's like we gotta like repeat that but like we gotta like repeat that but like we gotta like repeat that but so um you know so um you know so um you know it could be that taking very very high it could be that taking very very high it could be that taking very very high doses in the studies that was found they doses in the studies that was found they doses in the studies that was found they were taking four grams of pure epa were taking four grams of pure epa were taking four grams of pure epa um so it could be um so it could be um so it could be maybe there was maybe there's something maybe there was maybe there's something maybe there was maybe there's something to super high doses we don't know about to super high doses we don't know about to super high doses we don't know about um but um but i don't know especially over for long i don't know especially over for long i don't know especially over for long periods of time maybe and these were periods of time maybe and these were periods of time maybe and these were people with heart conditions as well and people with heart conditions as well and people with heart conditions as well and yeah so this was like these studies were yeah so this was like these studies were yeah so this was like these studies were five years this is so fascinating to me five years this is so fascinating to me five years this is so fascinating to me that as long as people have been that as long as people have been that as long as people have been studying nutrition as long as people studying nutrition as long as people studying nutrition as long as people have been studying the human body that have been studying the human body that have been studying the human body that there's still so much speculation as to there's still so much speculation as to there's still so much speculation as to about
1:59about about what you should take and when you should what you should take and when you should what you should take and when you should take it and how much and people like you take it and how much and people like you take it and how much and people like you study it constantly yeah are still study it constantly yeah are still study it constantly yeah are still learning new things all the time like learning new things all the time like learning new things all the time like almost every time you come in here almost every time you come in here almost every time you come in here you're like okay so there's a new study you're like okay so there's a new study you're like okay so there's a new study and then you know you're telling me and then you know you're telling me and then you know you're telling me about this and you're telling me about about this and you're telling me about about this and you're telling me about that it's it's really kind of wild when that it's it's really kind of wild when that it's it's really kind of wild when you think about the average person you think about the average person you think about the average person that that i would venture to say i don't know what i would venture to say i don't know what i would venture to say i don't know what percentage percentage percentage of the average population even takes of the average population even takes of the average population even takes vitamins what would you estimate oh vitamins what would you estimate oh vitamins what would you estimate oh there was a study there was a study there was a study back in 2015 back in 2015 back in 2015 that looked at this it was gosh that looked at this it was gosh that looked at this it was gosh i forgot i forgot i forgot i forgot exactly what the percentage was i forgot exactly what the percentage was i forgot exactly what the percentage was it wasn't very high it wasn't very high it wasn't very high and and the percentage of people that did the percentage of people that did the percentage of people that did actually take supplements were the least actually take supplements were the least actually take supplements were the least likely to have vitamin and mineral likely to have vitamin and mineral likely to have vitamin and mineral deficiencies yes i'm sure deficiencies yes i'm sure deficiencies yes i'm sure big surprise my friend's doctor big surprise my friend's doctor big surprise my friend's doctor literally told him the other day literally told him the other day literally told him the other day that you don't need to take vitamins that you don't need to take vitamins that you don't need to take vitamins just eat a balanced diet and you're fine
2:00just eat a balanced diet and you're fine just eat a balanced diet and you're fine vitamins are nonsense i go you need a vitamins are nonsense i go you need a vitamins are nonsense i go you need a better doctor better doctor better doctor because that doctor doesn't know jack because that doctor doesn't know jack because that doctor doesn't know jack [ __ ] that is such a crazy thing to say [ __ ] that is such a crazy thing to say [ __ ] that is such a crazy thing to say when there is so much data on the actual when there is so much data on the actual when there is so much data on the actual tangible benefits of vitamin tangible benefits of vitamin tangible benefits of vitamin supplementation there's so much evidence supplementation there's so much evidence supplementation there's so much evidence there's so much work being done on it there's so much work being done on it there's so much work being done on it and for a guy who i know is an and for a guy who i know is an and for a guy who i know is an orthopedic surgeon that probably like orthopedic surgeon that probably like orthopedic surgeon that probably like how much time do they spend on nutrition how much time do they spend on nutrition how much time do they spend on nutrition in medical school and the guy's in his in medical school and the guy's in his in medical school and the guy's in his 60s so it was probably you know he was 60s so it was probably you know he was 60s so it was probably you know he was doing this [ __ ] in the 80s like what the doing this [ __ ] in the 80s like what the doing this [ __ ] in the 80s like what the [ __ ] does he know and why is he saying [ __ ] does he know and why is he saying [ __ ] does he know and why is he saying this this is so such a crazy this this is so such a crazy this this is so such a crazy irresponsible thing to say to a person irresponsible thing to say to a person irresponsible thing to say to a person well my doctor said like and i'm looking well my doctor said like and i'm looking well my doctor said like and i'm looking at this guy i'm like get a better doctor at this guy i'm like get a better doctor at this guy i'm like get a better doctor right or get a doctor that concentrates right or get a doctor that concentrates right or get a doctor that concentrates on that and go to him when you're you're on that and go to him when you're you're on that and go to him when you're you're dealing with like an ankle surgery or dealing with like an ankle surgery or dealing with like an ankle surgery or something but don't go to him he's a something but don't go to him he's a something but don't go to him he's a he's a technician you know he's not a he's a technician you know he's not a he's a technician you know he's not a nutrition scientist it's just like nutrition scientist it's just like nutrition scientist it's just like they're they're completely different they're they're completely different they're they're completely different fields of study and they're so fields of study and they're so fields of study and they're so comprehensive that's what's crazy about
2:01comprehensive that's what's crazy about comprehensive that's what's crazy about it like every time i talk to you you're it like every time i talk to you you're it like every time i talk to you you're not even you don't even have any notes not even you don't even have any notes not even you don't even have any notes in front of you and just rattling off in front of you and just rattling off in front of you and just rattling off this [ __ ] and it's like it's constant this [ __ ] and it's like it's constant this [ __ ] and it's like it's constant and it never ends there's constantly new and it never ends there's constantly new and it never ends there's constantly new studies there's constantly new benefits studies there's constantly new benefits studies there's constantly new benefits that are unearthed it's like that are unearthed it's like that are unearthed it's like it's so hard to keep abreast of all this it's so hard to keep abreast of all this it's so hard to keep abreast of all this stuff absolutely and not to mention the stuff absolutely and not to mention the stuff absolutely and not to mention the fact that doing fact that doing fact that doing clinical trials in nutrition so a lot of clinical trials in nutrition so a lot of clinical trials in nutrition so a lot of physicians they're used to the gold physicians they're used to the gold physicians they're used to the gold standard the randomized standard the randomized standard the randomized placebo-controlled trial and it is a placebo-controlled trial and it is a placebo-controlled trial and it is a gold standard it's the best thing you gold standard it's the best thing you gold standard it's the best thing you can do can do can do to see if a treatment is working right to see if a treatment is working right to see if a treatment is working right or if x comes out of you know or if y or if x comes out of you know or if y or if x comes out of you know or if y comes out of x or whichever way it is comes out of x or whichever way it is comes out of x or whichever way it is but you know the problem with nutrition but you know the problem with nutrition but you know the problem with nutrition is that everyone has some level of this is that everyone has some level of this is that everyone has some level of this nutrient x in their body from their diet nutrient x in their body from their diet nutrient x in their body from their diet and and you know so you know so you know so you get these studies that people you get these studies that people you get these studies that people there's no there's no quantification of there's no there's no quantification of there's no there's no quantification of anything you know there's questionnaires anything you know there's questionnaires anything you know there's questionnaires like how much did you eat how much how like how much did you eat how much how like how much did you eat how much how much vegetables do you eat like per week much vegetables do you eat like per week much vegetables do you eat like per week and it's like oh i eat you know x amount
2:02and it's like oh i eat you know x amount and it's like oh i eat you know x amount and then and then and then and then it's like you know you actually and then it's like you know you actually and then it's like you know you actually measure something like a biomarker like measure something like a biomarker like measure something like a biomarker like you know you know beta carotene or you know something and beta carotene or you know something and beta carotene or you know something and you realize oh they eat a lot more you realize oh they eat a lot more you realize oh they eat a lot more vegetables than they thought or they eat vegetables than they thought or they eat vegetables than they thought or they eat a lot less because it's a marker a a lot less because it's a marker a a lot less because it's a marker a biomarker right biomarker right biomarker right so you have these questionnaires or you so you have these questionnaires or you so you have these questionnaires or you know where the clinical studies are know where the clinical studies are know where the clinical studies are being done being done being done poorly and so poorly and so poorly and so not only is it hard to keep up with the not only is it hard to keep up with the not only is it hard to keep up with the data you have data you have data you have crappy data with salacious headlines crappy data with salacious headlines crappy data with salacious headlines like oh vitamins do nothing but you know like oh vitamins do nothing but you know like oh vitamins do nothing but you know the reality is the study is like okay we the reality is the study is like okay we the reality is the study is like okay we never measured anything we didn't never measured anything we didn't never measured anything we didn't measure you know vitamin d which you can measure you know vitamin d which you can measure you know vitamin d which you can make from the sun and everyone has make from the sun and everyone has make from the sun and everyone has different levels at the start of the different levels at the start of the different levels at the start of the study and we gave them a supplement study and we gave them a supplement study and we gave them a supplement where it's like you know 400 ius where where it's like you know 400 ius where where it's like you know 400 ius where it doesn't even raise your blood levels it doesn't even raise your blood levels it doesn't even raise your blood levels anything and then we looked at this x anything and then we looked at this x anything and then we looked at this x point endpoint x like cancer incidents point endpoint x like cancer incidents point endpoint x like cancer incidents we didn't measure anything after and we didn't measure anything after and we didn't measure anything after and it's like it's like it's like you know like it's a terrible that's a you know like it's a terrible that's a you know like it's a terrible that's a terrible study terrible study terrible study you know but but makes the headlines and you know but but makes the headlines and you know but but makes the headlines and you know there are some um healthcare you know there are some um healthcare you know there are some um healthcare practitioners that read those and then practitioners that read those and then practitioners that read those and then they get this idea that well they do they get this idea that well they do they get this idea that well they do nothing because i read that that study
2:03nothing because i read that that study nothing because i read that that study they did you know yeah in some cases they did you know yeah in some cases they did you know yeah in some cases they're randomized placebo-controlled they're randomized placebo-controlled they're randomized placebo-controlled studies where they are giving a placebo studies where they are giving a placebo studies where they are giving a placebo and they are randomizing and they're and they are randomizing and they're and they are randomizing and they're doing all that but they're not measuring doing all that but they're not measuring doing all that but they're not measuring the blood levels they're not measuring the blood levels they're not measuring the blood levels they're not measuring anything so anything so anything so you know there's there's all sorts of you know there's there's all sorts of you know there's there's all sorts of problems with with with that and i think problems with with with that and i think problems with with with that and i think they're they're they're it's hard to do it's hard to solve it's hard to do it's hard to solve it's hard to do it's hard to solve clinical trials and nutrition need to be clinical trials and nutrition need to be clinical trials and nutrition need to be designed better they do like you need to designed better they do like you need to designed better they do like you need to quantify everything you need to quantify quantify everything you need to quantify quantify everything you need to quantify these nutrients like drugs people don't these nutrients like drugs people don't these nutrients like drugs people don't have that to start with you don't have have that to start with you don't have have that to start with you don't have to quantify anything you just give them to quantify anything you just give them to quantify anything you just give them the pill yep it's going to raise their the pill yep it's going to raise their the pill yep it's going to raise their levels because they don't have any of it levels because they don't have any of it levels because they don't have any of it you know but it also just seems like you know but it also just seems like you know but it also just seems like just staying on top of all the research just staying on top of all the research just staying on top of all the research is so time consuming is so time consuming is so time consuming totally yeah absolutely i mean there's totally yeah absolutely i mean there's totally yeah absolutely i mean there's there's no doubt i can't even stay on there's no doubt i can't even stay on there's no doubt i can't even stay on top at it top of it and um now that i'm top at it top of it and um now that i'm top at it top of it and um now that i'm a mother it's even more difficult you a mother it's even more difficult you a mother it's even more difficult you know but you know there's know but you know there's know but you know there's all my notes and i have flashcards too i mean i i was preparing i mean i i was preparing to come on here and um you know there's to come on here and um you know there's to come on here and um you know there's certain things that i there's
2:04certain things that i there's certain things that i there's there's there's numbers and things like there's there's numbers and things like there's there's numbers and things like that if you can know that amount it that if you can know that amount it that if you can know that amount it helps you know helps you know helps you know so there's just so much data there's so so there's just so much data there's so so there's just so much data there's so much information and then if you think much information and then if you think much information and then if you think about like about like about like to have to have to have your immune system in check to have your your immune system in check to have your your immune system in check to have your body functioning in check to have your body functioning in check to have your body functioning in check to have your muscle muscle repairing correctly to have all these repairing correctly to have all these repairing correctly to have all these factors and to have all your nutrient factors and to have all your nutrient factors and to have all your nutrient levels balanced and adjusted accordingly levels balanced and adjusted accordingly levels balanced and adjusted accordingly and to make sure that you're getting all and to make sure that you're getting all and to make sure that you're getting all your needs as far as your essential your needs as far as your essential your needs as far as your essential fatty acids and your vitamins your fatty acids and your vitamins your fatty acids and your vitamins your nutrients and your minerals and all nutrients and your minerals and all nutrients and your minerals and all these different things it's just it's so these different things it's just it's so these different things it's just it's so complex there's so much going on and so complex there's so much going on and so complex there's so much going on and so few people are on top of it and we don't few people are on top of it and we don't few people are on top of it and we don't even know what the optimal levels of even know what the optimal levels of even know what the optimal levels of these things are to be honest like we these things are to be honest like we these things are to be honest like we don't even like you know maybe getting don't even like you know maybe getting don't even like you know maybe getting having a diverse diet where you can get having a diverse diet where you can get having a diverse diet where you can get a variety of you know micronutrients a variety of you know micronutrients a variety of you know micronutrients you're getting these things from your you're getting these things from your you're getting these things from your diet but like then on top of that maybe diet but like then on top of that maybe diet but like then on top of that maybe there's benefits like we don't we don't
2:05there's benefits like we don't we don't there's benefits like we don't we don't even know right i mean so even know right i mean so even know right i mean so it's kind of a arrogant thing to say oh it's kind of a arrogant thing to say oh it's kind of a arrogant thing to say oh you don't need to take a vitamin because you don't need to take a vitamin because you don't need to take a vitamin because all you got to do is be a you know all you got to do is be a you know all you got to do is be a you know balanced diet yeah that's that's pretty balanced diet yeah that's that's pretty balanced diet yeah that's that's pretty pretty arrogant in my in my opinion but pretty arrogant in my in my opinion but pretty arrogant in my in my opinion but in mine as well it's just i know how in mine as well it's just i know how in mine as well it's just i know how little little little most people know about it that's most people know about it that's most people know about it that's i know so little about it and i try to i know so little about it and i try to i know so little about it and i try to pay attention to as much as possible pay attention to as much as possible pay attention to as much as possible and when i talk to someone like you i'm and when i talk to someone like you i'm and when i talk to someone like you i'm aware of how little i really know and aware of how little i really know and aware of how little i really know and it's so complex and it's so changing and it's so complex and it's so changing and it's so complex and it's so changing and evolving and there's always new evolving and there's always new evolving and there's always new information that's being information that's being information that's being released yeah and i'm also aware of how released yeah and i'm also aware of how released yeah and i'm also aware of how little i know every time something new little i know every time something new little i know every time something new comes out like there's a question and comes out like there's a question and comes out like there's a question and i'm like diving into it i'm like oh i i'm like diving into it i'm like oh i i'm like diving into it i'm like oh i didn't know any of this didn't know any of this didn't know any of this so you know there's there's always so you know there's there's always so you know there's there's always information coming out so just overall information coming out so just overall information coming out so just overall health is so important and yet there's health is so important and yet there's health is so important and yet there's so little consideration so little consideration so little consideration given to it by most people and it's one given to it by most people and it's one given to it by most people and it's one of the most confusing things about human of the most confusing things about human of the most confusing things about human beings like beings like beings like when people are sick the thing that they
2:06when people are sick the thing that they when people are sick the thing that they want more than anything is to be healthy want more than anything is to be healthy want more than anything is to be healthy like oh my god i wish i was healthy like oh my god i wish i was healthy like oh my god i wish i was healthy but then once they get healthy they go but then once they get healthy they go but then once they get healthy they go back to the same eating habits the same back to the same eating habits the same back to the same eating habits the same just just you know you know just sedentary lifestyle just sedentary lifestyle just sedentary lifestyle drinking alcohol cigarettes all the same drinking alcohol cigarettes all the same drinking alcohol cigarettes all the same [ __ ] that got them in the mess in the [ __ ] that got them in the mess in the [ __ ] that got them in the mess in the first place and they don't change much first place and they don't change much first place and they don't change much about their nutrition they don't change about their nutrition they don't change about their nutrition they don't change much about their exercise habits when it much about their exercise habits when it much about their exercise habits when it has such a massive effect has such a massive effect has such a massive effect on the quality of your life the on the quality of your life the on the quality of your life the longevity of your ability to exercise longevity of your ability to exercise longevity of your ability to exercise like i'm 54 now and i i really haven't like i'm 54 now and i i really haven't like i'm 54 now and i i really haven't lost any ability to exercise rigorously lost any ability to exercise rigorously lost any ability to exercise rigorously to do it the same way and i've done a to do it the same way and i've done a to do it the same way and i've done a lot of like weird like one of the things lot of like weird like one of the things lot of like weird like one of the things i did is i completed that israeli uh i did is i completed that israeli uh i did is i completed that israeli uh protocol for hyperbaric chambers where protocol for hyperbaric chambers where protocol for hyperbaric chambers where he did um 90 days i did 60 sessions of he did um 90 days i did 60 sessions of he did um 90 days i did 60 sessions of 90 minutes over 90 days what's supposed 90 minutes over 90 days what's supposed 90 minutes over 90 days what's supposed to to lengthen your telomeres that's
2:07lengthen your telomeres that's lengthen your telomeres that's appropriate to or approximate to a appropriate to or approximate to a appropriate to or approximate to a 20-year decrease in your biological age 20-year decrease in your biological age 20-year decrease in your biological age i did that i just did it wow just i did that i just did it wow just i did that i just did it wow just finished it and uh i feel great i don't finished it and uh i feel great i don't finished it and uh i feel great i don't know what it did i mean i didn't really know what it did i mean i didn't really know what it did i mean i didn't really measure my telomeres and i probably measure my telomeres and i probably measure my telomeres and i probably should now should now should now but uh there's definite there's but uh there's definite there's but uh there's definite there's definitely something that happens when definitely something that happens when definitely something that happens when you do something like that but who the you do something like that but who the you do something like that but who the [ __ ] has time for that like who's gonna [ __ ] has time for that like who's gonna [ __ ] has time for that like who's gonna do that how many people are gonna be do that how many people are gonna be do that how many people are gonna be committed to like going to some stupid committed to like going to some stupid committed to like going to some stupid place and lying in a metal chamber for place and lying in a metal chamber for place and lying in a metal chamber for 90 days you're an outlier that's for 90 days you're an outlier that's for 90 days you're an outlier that's for sure i think i think there's some you sure i think i think there's some you sure i think i think there's some you know know thoughts that it like helps increase thoughts that it like helps increase thoughts that it like helps increase you know blood vessels and growth and i you know blood vessels and growth and i you know blood vessels and growth and i mean like there's all sorts of things mean like there's all sorts of things mean like there's all sorts of things going on and i know there's probably going on and i know there's probably going on and i know there's probably studies that actually have proposed studies that actually have proposed studies that actually have proposed mechanisms i just don't know about them mechanisms i just don't know about them mechanisms i just don't know about them i'm definitely an outlier in like what i i'm definitely an outlier in like what i i'm definitely an outlier in like what i practice and that i'm dedicated to it practice and that i'm dedicated to it practice and that i'm dedicated to it but it's also because i don't like being but it's also because i don't like being but it's also because i don't like being sick i haven't been sick in 11 years sick i haven't been sick in 11 years sick i haven't been sick in 11 years plus plus plus it's been at least 11 years but i just it's been at least 11 years but i just it's been at least 11 years but i just because of actions because of things i
2:08because of actions because of things i because of actions because of things i do do and and i just don't understand i just don't understand i just don't understand people that don't want to be healthier people that don't want to be healthier people that don't want to be healthier and i really wish it was more accessible and i really wish it was more accessible and i really wish it was more accessible i really wish there was it was much more i really wish there was it was much more i really wish there was it was much more common to get comprehensive blood work common to get comprehensive blood work common to get comprehensive blood work and much more common to get nutritional and much more common to get nutritional and much more common to get nutritional counseling and much more common for counseling and much more common for counseling and much more common for people to be rigorously exercising to do people to be rigorously exercising to do people to be rigorously exercising to do it on a regular basis and to realize it on a regular basis and to realize it on a regular basis and to realize that when your body is more resilient that when your body is more resilient that when your body is more resilient when your body is fit when your when your body is fit when your when your body is fit when your cardiovascular shape is higher you're cardiovascular shape is higher you're cardiovascular shape is higher you're just better off you're better off you just better off you're better off you just better off you're better off you can think better you're healthier you can think better you're healthier you can think better you're healthier you recover from things better like recover from things better like recover from things better like everything works better right and now i everything works better right and now i everything works better right and now i think now think now think now more than ever more than ever more than ever like being healthy is even more like being healthy is even more like being healthy is even more important you know like like important you know like like important you know like like getting to a healthy weight like trying getting to a healthy weight like trying getting to a healthy weight like trying to like not have these comorbidities to like not have these comorbidities to like not have these comorbidities like high blood pressure and type 2 like high blood pressure and type 2 like high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes and you know like these things diabetes and you know like these things diabetes and you know like these things are there's a huge are there's a huge are there's a huge lifestyle factor
2:09lifestyle factor lifestyle factor involved in involved in involved in obesity type 2 diabetes high blood obesity type 2 diabetes high blood obesity type 2 diabetes high blood pressure like there there's definitely pressure like there there's definitely pressure like there there's definitely things that can be done things that can be done things that can be done you know you know that help with that you know that help that help with that you know that help that help with that you know that help when we were talking about sauna and when we were talking about sauna and when we were talking about sauna and exercise and you know there's there's exercise and you know there's there's exercise and you know there's there's even like you know other ketogenic diet even like you know other ketogenic diet even like you know other ketogenic diet does help with like weight loss but does help with like weight loss but does help with like weight loss but there's other strategies for that as there's other strategies for that as there's other strategies for that as well um and and having the vitamin d well um and and having the vitamin d well um and and having the vitamin d getting having enough vitamin d and getting having enough vitamin d and getting having enough vitamin d and omega-3s like you know to me omega-3s like you know to me omega-3s like you know to me it seems like yeah it should be it seems like yeah it should be it seems like yeah it should be beneficial everyone should want it beneficial everyone should want it beneficial everyone should want it should be like super motivated you know should be like super motivated you know should be like super motivated you know to do that to do that to do that um um but it's always hard to get people to do but it's always hard to get people to do but it's always hard to get people to do it as you mentioned it's like extremely it as you mentioned it's like extremely it as you mentioned it's like extremely difficult difficult difficult um so um so even with my mom and i constantly even with my mom and i constantly even with my mom and i constantly imparting her with information imparting her with information imparting her with information strange though that humans are so strange though that humans are so strange though that humans are so reluctant to do things that would reluctant to do things that would reluctant to do things that would benefit them it's so weird i don't think benefit them it's so weird i don't think benefit them it's so weird i don't think they believe it or they might just they believe it or they might just they believe it or they might just you know it's just it's too much work you know it's just it's too much work you know it's just it's too much work it's too much too much work and what it's too much too much work and what it's too much too much work and what little benefit you know is it worth it little benefit you know is it worth it
2:10little benefit you know is it worth it like i think that's the kind of stuff like i think that's the kind of stuff like i think that's the kind of stuff like there's lots of excuses right but like there's lots of excuses right but like there's lots of excuses right but you know and long term clearly there's a you know and long term clearly there's a you know and long term clearly there's a lot of benefit just you have to put it lot of benefit just you have to put it lot of benefit just you have to put it it's like you're building a mountain it's like you're building a mountain it's like you're building a mountain with a layer of paint at a time with a layer of paint at a time with a layer of paint at a time right yeah you have you have to put in right yeah you have you have to put in right yeah you have you have to put in the effort i mean for sure the effort i mean for sure the effort i mean for sure um and and i do think even with you know um and and i do think even with you know um and and i do think even with you know cover 19 there's obviously data showing cover 19 there's obviously data showing cover 19 there's obviously data showing that you know people that are that you know people that are that you know people that are obese or have a co-morbidity they're obese or have a co-morbidity they're obese or have a co-morbidity they're more likely to have a severe form of it more likely to have a severe form of it more likely to have a severe form of it and it's like twice as much in some and it's like twice as much in some and it's like twice as much in some cases you know it's not like cases you know it's not like cases you know it's not like it's not like you know something like a it's not like you know something like a it's not like you know something like a vaccine would do but it's it's vaccine would do but it's it's vaccine would do but it's it's definitely plays a role and um definitely plays a role and um definitely plays a role and um you know it should be a motivating you know it should be a motivating you know it should be a motivating factor factor factor but you know the since we're on this but you know the since we're on this but you know the since we're on this topic can we talk a little bit of topic can we talk a little bit of topic can we talk a little bit of vaccines because i'm vaccines because i'm vaccines because i'm it's something i've i have seen a lot of it's something i've i have seen a lot of it's something i've i have seen a lot of misinformation misinformation misinformation like like on on everywhere everywhere everywhere facebook on you know different news facebook on you know different news facebook on you know different news media outlets and and i think there's media outlets and and i think there's media outlets and and i think there's really like some some main ones
2:11really like some some main ones really like some some main ones that that i just feel are that that i just feel are that that i just feel are causing harm causing harm causing harm and so um there's really eight of them and so um there's really eight of them and so um there's really eight of them we don't need to talk about all of them we don't need to talk about all of them we don't need to talk about all of them but i think the eight really are that but i think the eight really are that but i think the eight really are that you know you know sars cove two and it's not that bad copa sars cove two and it's not that bad copa sars cove two and it's not that bad copa 19 is not that bad 19 is not that bad 19 is not that bad and and you know vaccines basically you know vaccines basically you know vaccines basically don't prevent transmission don't prevent transmission don't prevent transmission spike protein from vaccines are spike protein from vaccines are spike protein from vaccines are cytotoxic therefore they're really bad cytotoxic therefore they're really bad cytotoxic therefore they're really bad that vaccines are going to cause that vaccines are going to cause that vaccines are going to cause something called antibody dependent something called antibody dependent something called antibody dependent enhancement which is going to make you enhancement which is going to make you enhancement which is going to make you have a more severe disease have a more severe disease have a more severe disease there's the vaccines are going to cause there's the vaccines are going to cause there's the vaccines are going to cause infertility infertility infertility there's the um there's the um there's the um vaccines are going to cause a more vaccines are going to cause a more vaccines are going to cause a more violent virulent violent virulent violent virulent strain or variant strain or variant strain or variant and then there's one more and then there's one more and then there's one more that that alternatives to vaccines exist right now alternatives to vaccines exist right now alternatives to vaccines exist right now that are just as good and i think that that are just as good and i think that that are just as good and i think that there's a few of those that are really i there's a few of those that are really i there's a few of those that are really i mean just like blatantly mean just like blatantly mean just like blatantly they're wrong they're wrong they're wrong all of them i think there but i mean you all of them i think there but i mean you all of them i think there but i mean you know there's some that are more
2:12know there's some that are more know there's some that are more important than others and i think that important than others and i think that important than others and i think that i would like to talk about them um you i would like to talk about them um you i would like to talk about them um you know i think first and foremost the know i think first and foremost the know i think first and foremost the there's like two groups of people there's like two groups of people there's like two groups of people mostly one take thinks copenhagen's bad mostly one take thinks copenhagen's bad mostly one take thinks copenhagen's bad doesn't want to get wants the vaccine doesn't want to get wants the vaccine doesn't want to get wants the vaccine and the other one that thinks it's not and the other one that thinks it's not and the other one that thinks it's not that bad and uh that the vaccines may be that bad and uh that the vaccines may be that bad and uh that the vaccines may be harmful and there's do you think that harmful and there's do you think that harmful and there's do you think that vaccines are harmful to anyone vaccines are harmful to anyone vaccines are harmful to anyone well of course well of course well of course i mean do you know anyone that's had bad i mean do you know anyone that's had bad i mean do you know anyone that's had bad reactions to vaccines i personally reactions to vaccines i personally reactions to vaccines i personally interestingly the only i know a lot of interestingly the only i know a lot of interestingly the only i know a lot of people that have gotten vaccinated and people that have gotten vaccinated and people that have gotten vaccinated and the only person that i know that had the only person that i know that had the only person that i know that had something was like something was like something was like she had a headache for like a week and a she had a headache for like a week and a she had a headache for like a week and a half and then it went away half and then it went away half and then it went away um um oh no another person i knew had like oh no another person i knew had like oh no another person i knew had like nausea for like a couple of weeks they nausea for like a couple of weeks they nausea for like a couple of weeks they were like nauseous more more frequently were like nauseous more more frequently were like nauseous more more frequently but it went away but it went away but it went away um you know um you know um you know do you think you would feel differently do you think you would feel differently do you think you would feel differently if you knew someone that had a stroke or if you knew someone that had a stroke or if you knew someone that had a stroke or someone who's had heart attacks someone who's had heart attacks someone who's had heart attacks perhaps young people that have well
2:13it's hard to say so you know i do it's hard to say so you know i do people people react differently obviously when you're react differently obviously when you're react differently obviously when you're giving you know giving you know giving you know 100 and 100 and 100 and more than 169 million people are more than 169 million people are more than 169 million people are vaccinated right i mean that's vaccinated right i mean that's vaccinated right i mean that's half our adult population is is half our adult population is is half our adult population is is vaccinated fully vaccinated with vaccinated fully vaccinated with vaccinated fully vaccinated with copenhagen copenhagen copenhagen and um it's not zero risk people are and um it's not zero risk people are and um it's not zero risk people are some people are going to have an adverse some people are going to have an adverse some people are going to have an adverse reaction and reaction and reaction and they do it's a big world out there you they do it's a big world out there you they do it's a big world out there you know like if you were to give 169 know like if you were to give 169 know like if you were to give 169 million people a peanut or a shellfish million people a peanut or a shellfish million people a peanut or a shellfish like some people are going to have very like some people are going to have very like some people are going to have very adverse reactions some people die like adverse reactions some people die like adverse reactions some people die like it's it's a big world but you know with it's it's a big world but you know with it's it's a big world but you know with the with the stroke or the heart attack the with the stroke or the heart attack the with the stroke or the heart attack you know you have to like like so if you know you have to like like so if you know you have to like like so if you're trying to compare for example you're trying to compare for example you're trying to compare for example let's say you know you're looking at let's say you know you're looking at let's say you know you're looking at actual coven 19 deaths and from heart actual coven 19 deaths and from heart actual coven 19 deaths and from heart attacks and strokes and you're looking attacks and strokes and you're looking attacks and strokes and you're looking at the vaccine adverse events reporting at the vaccine adverse events reporting at the vaccine adverse events reporting site there's right and and that as well site there's right and and that as well site there's right and and that as well you know you have to realize that you know you have to realize that you know you have to realize that basically in the united states like in
2:14basically in the united states like in basically in the united states like in 2017 there was a publication in the 2017 there was a publication in the 2017 there was a publication in the journal of circulation someone dies from journal of circulation someone dies from journal of circulation someone dies from cardiovascular disease every 30 seconds cardiovascular disease every 30 seconds cardiovascular disease every 30 seconds in the united states like every 30 in the united states like every 30 in the united states like every 30 seconds most of those people are above seconds most of those people are above seconds most of those people are above the age of 50 and certainly most are the age of 50 and certainly most are the age of 50 and certainly most are above 65. but every 30 seconds someone's above 65. but every 30 seconds someone's above 65. but every 30 seconds someone's dying from cardiovascular disease every dying from cardiovascular disease every dying from cardiovascular disease every 40 seconds someone in the united states 40 seconds someone in the united states 40 seconds someone in the united states has a stroke has a stroke has a stroke every four minutes they die from a every four minutes they die from a every four minutes they die from a stroke but this is also very very rare stroke but this is also very very rare stroke but this is also very very rare in young people particularly young in young people particularly young in young people particularly young healthy people healthy people healthy people but one thing that has occurred in young but one thing that has occurred in young but one thing that has occurred in young healthy people that have been vaccinated healthy people that have been vaccinated healthy people that have been vaccinated as myocarditis and some people have had as myocarditis and some people have had as myocarditis and some people have had blood clots like quite a few blood clots blood clots like quite a few blood clots blood clots like quite a few blood clots and and there's speculation right the salk there's speculation right the salk there's speculation right the salk institute released that paper about the institute released that paper about the institute released that paper about the uh spike protein uh spike protein uh spike protein causing uh some sort of deterioration of causing uh some sort of deterioration of causing uh some sort of deterioration of the blood vessels did you read that i the blood vessels did you read that i the blood vessels did you read that i looked at the spike i've been looking at looked at the spike i've been looking at looked at the spike i've been looking at a lot of the um spike protein and that's a lot of the um spike protein and that's a lot of the um spike protein and that's from covet 19 they're discussing it from covet 19 they're discussing it from covet 19 they're discussing it they're talking about from yeah from the they're talking about from yeah from the they're talking about from yeah from the actual disease itself yes so um you know
2:15actual disease itself yes so um you know actual disease itself yes so um you know first of all like they're first of all like they're first of all like they're you have to like there's you have to like there's you have to like there's you're you're either going to get you're you're either going to get you're you're either going to get infected with starscroft2 most people infected with starscroft2 most people infected with starscroft2 most people are going to be eventually we're all are going to be eventually we're all are going to be eventually we're all going to be exposed to it so you're going to be exposed to it so you're going to be exposed to it so you're either going to be vaccinated when either going to be vaccinated when either going to be vaccinated when you're exposed to it or not and you're exposed to it or not and you're exposed to it or not and people are dying from heart attacks and people are dying from heart attacks and people are dying from heart attacks and blood clots and even people are getting blood clots and even people are getting blood clots and even people are getting myocarditis like 100 full times more myocarditis like 100 full times more myocarditis like 100 full times more than vaccines like than vaccines like than vaccines like the the myocarditis link from the the myocarditis link from the the myocarditis link from the mrna specifically the mrna vaccines the mrna specifically the mrna vaccines the mrna specifically the mrna vaccines is real and i think the last i saw it is real and i think the last i saw it is real and i think the last i saw it was like 50 per million which is still was like 50 per million which is still was like 50 per million which is still rare and it's it's happened to two rare and it's it's happened to two rare and it's it's happened to two people that i know people that i know people that i know it it so up until then and actually now it it so up until then and actually now it it so up until then and actually now that you asked me um i forgot i had a um that you asked me um i forgot i had a um that you asked me um i forgot i had a um someone who's a supporter um i talked someone who's a supporter um i talked someone who's a supporter um i talked about vaccines in one of my q as i do about vaccines in one of my q as i do about vaccines in one of my q as i do and they went and got it and they were and they went and got it and they were and they went and got it and they were younger and ended up having some kind of younger and ended up having some kind of younger and ended up having some kind of myocarditis so i do know someone that myocarditis so i do know someone that myocarditis so i do know someone that had i don't know them but they emailed had i don't know them but they emailed had i don't know them but they emailed me now what happens if you have that and me now what happens if you have that and me now what happens if you have that and like
2:16like how do you recover from that but you how do you recover from that but you how do you recover from that but you realize it's happening to young people realize it's happening to young people realize it's happening to young people so myocarditis is caused by two things so myocarditis is caused by two things so myocarditis is caused by two things one by one by one by inflammation inflammation inflammation two by direct viral infection and it's two by direct viral infection and it's two by direct viral infection and it's more common in adolescents and young more common in adolescents and young more common in adolescents and young people and it's an enlargement of the people and it's an enlargement of the people and it's an enlargement of the heart it's inflammation of the heart can heart it's inflammation of the heart can heart it's inflammation of the heart can lead to that yeah but it's it's lead to that yeah but it's it's lead to that yeah but it's it's happening in young athletes with covet happening in young athletes with covet happening in young athletes with covet 19 like and it's happening 19 like and it's happening 19 like and it's happening like more frequently than people that like more frequently than people that like more frequently than people that are getting vaccinated so it's still are getting vaccinated so it's still are getting vaccinated so it's still like well if the person that got like well if the person that got like well if the person that got vaccinated look it is a risk but it's vaccinated look it is a risk but it's vaccinated look it is a risk but it's still pretty rare and it also is still pretty rare and it also is still pretty rare and it also is treatable in most cases they treat it treatable in most cases they treat it treatable in most cases they treat it like within a few days and it's isolated like within a few days and it's isolated like within a few days and it's isolated why do you think that people like there why do you think that people like there why do you think that people like there are people that are completely are people that are completely are people that are completely asymptomatic when they get coveted or if asymptomatic when they get coveted or if asymptomatic when they get coveted or if they do get it's very mild do you think they do get it's very mild do you think they do get it's very mild do you think that's because they have a lower viral that's because they have a lower viral that's because they have a lower viral load that they've been load that they've been load that they've been infected with or do you think it's their infected with or do you think it's their infected with or do you think it's their immune system that fights it off like immune system that fights it off like immune system that fights it off like what do you think is happening it could what do you think is happening it could what do you think is happening it could be any and all of those things be any and all of those things
2:17be any and all of those things combination of them and you know combination of them and you know combination of them and you know but so like even if you think but so like even if you think but so like even if you think you know if you're looking at just like you know if you're looking at just like you know if you're looking at just like the most extreme part of like the deaths the most extreme part of like the deaths the most extreme part of like the deaths right you know you've got like over 624 right you know you've got like over 624 right you know you've got like over 624 000 deaths in copen 19 most of those 000 deaths in copen 19 most of those 000 deaths in copen 19 most of those deaths are happening in people over the deaths are happening in people over the deaths are happening in people over the age of 50. age of 50. age of 50. um um and if you look at like most of them and if you look at like most of them and if you look at like most of them have four plus comorbidity factors right have four plus comorbidity factors right have four plus comorbidity factors right isn't that the average i don't know if isn't that the average i don't know if isn't that the average i don't know if it's four plus it's four plus it's four plus average for average for average for i think the comorbidities increase yeah i think the comorbidities increase yeah i think the comorbidities increase yeah i think i think what the number of comorbidities are in what the number of comorbidities are in what the number of comorbidities are in terms of like uh the deaths it used to terms of like uh the deaths it used to terms of like uh the deaths it used to be 2.6 but i think they raised it to be 2.6 but i think they raised it to be 2.6 but i think they raised it to four four four really the number of them before okay i really the number of them before okay i really the number of them before okay i think so so i might be wrong but i know think so so i might be wrong but i know think so so i might be wrong but i know it was at least two points right so then it was at least two points right so then it was at least two points right so then there's the argument well i'm healthy i there's the argument well i'm healthy i there's the argument well i'm healthy i don't have comorbidities right i mean so don't have comorbidities right i mean so don't have comorbidities right i mean so so what what should i do like should i so what what should i do like should i so what what should i do like should i you know get vaccinated or or should i you know get vaccinated or or should i you know get vaccinated or or should i be exposed to the virus be exposed to the virus be exposed to the virus and i think there's a lot of evidence and i think there's a lot of evidence and i think there's a lot of evidence and there's multiple and there's multiple and there's multiple lines of evidence one you know
2:18lines of evidence one you know lines of evidence one you know there are people with mild symptoms that there are people with mild symptoms that there are people with mild symptoms that are getting post-acute cobot syndrome are getting post-acute cobot syndrome are getting post-acute cobot syndrome they're getting this what people call it they're getting this what people call it they're getting this what people call it long-haul coveted and a lot and the long-haul coveted and a lot and the long-haul coveted and a lot and the majority of people what do you think majority of people what do you think majority of people what do you think that is what is post what is long haul that is what is post what is long haul that is what is post what is long haul coveted i don't know what it is i think coveted i don't know what it is i think coveted i don't know what it is i think it depends on the the symptoms i think it depends on the the symptoms i think it depends on the the symptoms i think there could be a variety of causes for there could be a variety of causes for there could be a variety of causes for it um you know so there are people and it um you know so there are people and it um you know so there are people and most of us this is happening in most of us this is happening in most of us this is happening in teenagers to like 50. most of the people teenagers to like 50. most of the people teenagers to like 50. most of the people that are older are not getting this that are older are not getting this that are older are not getting this long-haul code but it's like happening long-haul code but it's like happening long-haul code but it's like happening in people that are mostly not being in people that are mostly not being in people that are mostly not being hospitalized hospitalized hospitalized people that don't get hospitalized people that don't get hospitalized people that don't get hospitalized originally like they have mostly like originally like they have mostly like originally like they have mostly like pretty mild symptoms in some cases even pretty mild symptoms in some cases even pretty mild symptoms in some cases even asymptomatic you know there was a study asymptomatic you know there was a study asymptomatic you know there was a study published in published in published in the lancet like the lancet like the lancet like last year last year last year showing there was a seven-fold increase showing there was a seven-fold increase showing there was a seven-fold increase in stroke incidents in people under 50 in stroke incidents in people under 50 in stroke incidents in people under 50 in the united states compared to the in the united states compared to the in the united states compared to the year before that before the pandemics year before that before the pandemics year before that before the pandemics start and that is probably because the start and that is probably because the start and that is probably because the spike protein that causes this spike protein that causes this spike protein that causes this deterioration of the blood vessels and deterioration of the blood vessels and deterioration of the blood vessels and blood clots is that what it is from the blood clots is that what it is from the blood clots is that what it is from the from the virus well i don't know what it from the virus well i don't know what it from the virus well i don't know what it is i mean there's lots of things you is i mean there's lots of things you is i mean there's lots of things you know viral infections themselves can
2:19know viral infections themselves can know viral infections themselves can cause hypercoagulation they can cause cause hypercoagulation they can cause cause hypercoagulation they can cause blood clots like just like that's like blood clots like just like that's like blood clots like just like that's like known from other viruses like that's known from other viruses like that's known from other viruses like that's something there's inflammation something there's inflammation something there's inflammation without the spike protein so let's okay without the spike protein so let's okay without the spike protein so let's okay i feel like i haven't got to address i feel like i haven't got to address i feel like i haven't got to address everything but let's talk about this everything but let's talk about this everything but let's talk about this real quick i think this four points out real quick i think this four points out real quick i think this four points out where i would find this information i where i would find this information i where i would find this information i hope that's the spot yeah there is an hope that's the spot yeah there is an hope that's the spot yeah there is an average of 4.0 additional conditions or average of 4.0 additional conditions or average of 4.0 additional conditions or causes of death for data on deaths causes of death for data on deaths causes of death for data on deaths involving involving involving covet 19 by time period jurisdiction and covet 19 by time period jurisdiction and covet 19 by time period jurisdiction and other health conditions this is only five percent the covert was this is only five percent the covert was the only cause and then so for only five the only cause and then so for only five the only cause and then so for only five percent of the covet deaths covet 19 was percent of the covet deaths covet 19 was percent of the covet deaths covet 19 was the only cause mentioned so out of those the only cause mentioned so out of those the only cause mentioned so out of those 600 000 people that died only five 600 000 people that died only five 600 000 people that died only five percent died just from covet 19. percent died just from covet 19. percent died just from covet 19. well i mean so you have people that are well i mean so you have people that are well i mean so you have people that are coping 19 is going to make their coping 19 is going to make their coping 19 is going to make their co-morbidities worse and and that could co-morbidities worse and and that could co-morbidities worse and and that could be the same for a vaccine it could be be the same for a vaccine it could be be the same for a vaccine it could be the same for anything right i mean so the same for anything right i mean so the same for anything right i mean so like something that's going to activate
2:20like something that's going to activate like something that's going to activate the immune system yeah but i've the the the immune system yeah but i've the the the immune system yeah but i've the the concern is with what vaccines the concern is with what vaccines the concern is with what vaccines the negative effects that what people are negative effects that what people are negative effects that what people are worried about i think is young people worried about i think is young people worried about i think is young people that are healthy that have negative that are healthy that have negative that are healthy that have negative effects effects like that have had strokes or that have like that have had strokes or that have like that have had strokes or that have had thrombosis or myocarditis and those had thrombosis or myocarditis and those had thrombosis or myocarditis and those issues right well i think you know again issues right well i think you know again issues right well i think you know again if you look at the data if you look at the data if you look at the data you know young people are also you know young people are also you know young people are also experiencing those things at a higher experiencing those things at a higher experiencing those things at a higher rate and are those all the people with rate and are those all the people with rate and are those all the people with the comorbidities like i don't know you the comorbidities like i don't know you the comorbidities like i don't know you know like i i'm not sure know like i i'm not sure know like i i'm not sure but but it seems as though no matter which way it seems as though no matter which way it seems as though no matter which way you look at it like it it's it is worse you look at it like it it's it is worse you look at it like it it's it is worse to be exposed to that virus and like how to be exposed to that virus and like how to be exposed to that virus and like how do you know the person that had that do you know the person that had that do you know the person that had that myocarditis wouldn't have had it myocarditis wouldn't have had it myocarditis wouldn't have had it x-fold worse with the with the coca-19 x-fold worse with the with the coca-19 x-fold worse with the with the coca-19 because it's been shown to happen in because it's been shown to happen in because it's been shown to happen in young healthy athletes you know and young healthy athletes you know and young healthy athletes you know and people have been shown in large numbers people have been shown in large numbers people have been shown in large numbers like the more more so more so more so like the more more so more so more so like the more more so more so more so than the vaccines that we were saying than the vaccines that we were saying than the vaccines that we were saying yes i'm saying that it's happening yes i'm saying that it's happening yes i'm saying that it's happening myocarditis is from the vaccines it's
2:21myocarditis is from the vaccines it's myocarditis is from the vaccines it's happening in younger people at a higher happening in younger people at a higher happening in younger people at a higher rate than from the vaccines do we have rate than from the vaccines do we have rate than from the vaccines do we have accurate data do you think about how accurate data do you think about how accurate data do you think about how many myocarditis instances we have from many myocarditis instances we have from many myocarditis instances we have from the vaccine the vaccine the vaccine well you could argue there's an under well you could argue there's an under well you could argue there's an under reporting reporting reporting i think people i think people so anyone can submit data to the to the so anyone can submit data to the to the so anyone can submit data to the to the bears and i think when it comes to bears and i think when it comes to bears and i think when it comes to someone who's younger someone who's younger someone who's younger um they're more likely i mean so um they're more likely i mean so um they're more likely i mean so healthcare professionals have to submit healthcare professionals have to submit healthcare professionals have to submit to the bears if there's like something to the bears if there's like something to the bears if there's like something that's life-threatening some which that's life-threatening some which that's life-threatening some which myocardials could be or if it's death or myocardials could be or if it's death or myocardials could be or if it's death or something that's like you know changes something that's like you know changes something that's like you know changes their daily functions like their daily functions like their daily functions like congenital effects congenital effects congenital effects yes they are if they are yes they are if they are yes they are if they are but if but if but if do they how do they know that do they how do they know that do they how do they know that myocarditis is caused by the vaccine it myocarditis is caused by the vaccine it myocarditis is caused by the vaccine it they don't but if it if the person had they don't but if it if the person had they don't but if it if the person had gotten vaccinated and by the way there's gotten vaccinated and by the way there's gotten vaccinated and by the way there's no time constraint like it's not like oh no time constraint like it's not like oh no time constraint like it's not like oh if they've only been you know vaccinated if they've only been you know vaccinated if they've only been you know vaccinated within like in two months within like in two months within like in two months like they're supposed to they're like they're supposed to they're like they're supposed to they're supposed to submit to theirs like if supposed to submit to theirs like if supposed to submit to theirs like if someone was vaccinated and then someone was vaccinated and then
2:22someone was vaccinated and then something yes is there encouragement or something yes is there encouragement or something yes is there encouragement or discouragement to submit to bears i discouragement to submit to bears i discouragement to submit to bears i don't know i don't know but i mean don't know i don't know but i mean don't know i don't know but i mean you know if you again even just looking you know if you again even just looking you know if you again even just looking at the deaths in every age group even at the deaths in every age group even at the deaths in every age group even like you know people that are in my age like you know people that are in my age like you know people that are in my age group 40 to 49 you know there's 20 000 group 40 to 49 you know there's 20 000 group 40 to 49 you know there's 20 000 deaths that have been linked to the deaths that have been linked to the deaths that have been linked to the confirmed kova 19 cases right whereas confirmed kova 19 cases right whereas confirmed kova 19 cases right whereas you know in fairness it's 200. even if you know in fairness it's 200. even if you know in fairness it's 200. even if you triple that you triple that you triple that for people with comorbidities obviously for people with comorbidities obviously for people with comorbidities obviously it's a real issue it's a real issue it's a real issue yeah i don't know if that's if that's yeah i don't know if that's if that's yeah i don't know if that's if that's always the case but yes definitely with always the case but yes definitely with always the case but yes definitely with people with comorbidities because people with comorbidities because people with comorbidities because according to this what we pulled up it's according to this what we pulled up it's according to this what we pulled up it's five percent that are dying just of the five percent that are dying just of the five percent that are dying just of the covid covid covid 95 95 95 have an average of four comorbidities have an average of four comorbidities have an average of four comorbidities okay well if that's true for all ages okay well if that's true for all ages okay well if that's true for all ages um then you know yes people with um then you know yes people with um then you know yes people with co-morbidities are more likely to die co-morbidities are more likely to die co-morbidities are more likely to die but also younger people i like i said but also younger people i like i said but also younger people i like i said they're more likely to get you know they're more likely to get you know they're more likely to get you know these long-haul symptoms where i've these long-haul symptoms where i've these long-haul symptoms where i've known so many people you know that known so many people you know that known so many people you know that they're they've they've gotten like they're they've they've gotten like they're they've they've gotten like their loss of smell or taste has been
2:23their loss of smell or taste has been their loss of smell or taste has been like several months and there's now like several months and there's now like several months and there's now studies showing that you know if you studies showing that you know if you studies showing that you know if you there was a huge study out of the there was a huge study out of the there was a huge study out of the biobank um uk biobank data where the biobank um uk biobank data where the biobank um uk biobank data where the where right before the pandemic started where right before the pandemic started where right before the pandemic started mris were done brain scans on like mris were done brain scans on like mris were done brain scans on like almost a thousand people was like over almost a thousand people was like over almost a thousand people was like over 800 800 800 and then the pandemic hit and then the pandemic hit and then the pandemic hit people got covered some people didn't people got covered some people didn't people got covered some people didn't whatever so whatever so whatever so they brought these these the same cohort they brought these these the same cohort they brought these these the same cohort of people back in for a brain scan of people back in for a brain scan of people back in for a brain scan and and you know basically they you know basically they you know basically they corrected for people so they had people corrected for people so they had people corrected for people so they had people that they compared people that were the that they compared people that were the that they compared people that were the same age same gender same sex same age same gender same sex same age same gender same sex and and then they um and and then they um and and then they um also time between scans and they found also time between scans and they found also time between scans and they found that both mild and severe coba 19 cases that both mild and severe coba 19 cases that both mild and severe coba 19 cases caused a caused a caused a atrophy in the gray matter region of the atrophy in the gray matter region of the atrophy in the gray matter region of the brain it was worse in people that had it brain it was worse in people that had it brain it was worse in people that had it more severe right understandable but more severe right understandable but more severe right understandable but people that had mild cases that didn't people that had mild cases that didn't people that had mild cases that didn't go to the hospital go to the hospital go to the hospital had it how many people did they study had it how many people did they study had it how many people did they study with this it was over 800 yeah i mean with this it was over 800 yeah i mean with this it was over 800 yeah i mean you know it's
2:24you know it's you know it's you need you need more data to confirm you need you need more data to confirm you need you need more data to confirm but i mean were these people did they but i mean were these people did they but i mean were these people did they stratify it by age did age gender stratify it by age did age gender stratify it by age did age gender ethnicity ethnicity ethnicity health i don't know health i don't know health i don't know did they have co-morbidities did they did they have co-morbidities did they did they have co-morbidities did they factor that in they had people that age factor that in they had people that age factor that in they had people that age the same age you know as the people the same age you know as the people the same age you know as the people didn't get code they didn't have it i didn't get code they didn't have it i didn't get code they didn't have it i mean you know this is several months mean you know this is several months mean you know this is several months this is just months after i don't know this is just months after i don't know this is just months after i don't know about the health did they monitor their about the health did they monitor their about the health did they monitor their nutrition or find out what kind of nutrition or find out what kind of nutrition or find out what kind of supplements they were i don't know i supplements they were i don't know i supplements they were i don't know i don't i don't know if any of that data don't i don't know if any of that data don't i don't know if any of that data was was you know in it but do you think was was you know in it but do you think was was you know in it but do you think that data would be a factor at all that data would be a factor at all that data would be a factor at all i don't know because i know people that i don't know because i know people that i don't know because i know people that supplement that exercise that have had supplement that exercise that have had supplement that exercise that have had um were diagnosed with they had a mild um were diagnosed with they had a mild um were diagnosed with they had a mild case and they were diagnosed with pots case and they were diagnosed with pots case and they were diagnosed with pots you know post you know post you know post postural orthostatic tachycardia postural orthostatic tachycardia postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome where their heart was racing syndrome where their heart was racing syndrome where their heart was racing like tachycardia was racing just control like tachycardia was racing just control like tachycardia was racing just control like uncontrollably they were dizzy like uncontrollably they were dizzy like uncontrollably they were dizzy couldn't had no energy i mean this was couldn't had no energy i mean this was couldn't had no energy i mean this was months and they finally got diagnosed months and they finally got diagnosed months and they finally got diagnosed there's like a lot of people coming out
2:25there's like a lot of people coming out there's like a lot of people coming out with this but you know do you know with this but you know do you know with this but you know do you know anybody that had covid and got through anybody that had covid and got through anybody that had covid and got through it with almost no symptoms at all and it with almost no symptoms at all and it with almost no symptoms at all and was very mild was very mild was very mild um well yeah no symptoms at all but the um well yeah no symptoms at all but the um well yeah no symptoms at all but the people that i do know most of them had people that i do know most of them had people that i do know most of them had some kind of weird taste some kind of weird taste some kind of weird taste issue like or smell thing for like weeks issue like or smell thing for like weeks issue like or smell thing for like weeks and weeks but um and weeks but um and weeks but um but you don't know anybody that didn't but you don't know anybody that didn't but you don't know anybody that didn't have that have that have that um um i don't because most of the people i i don't because most of the people i i don't because most of the people i know that had it know that had it know that had it lost their smell i know people are out lost their smell i know people are out lost their smell i know people are out out there that don't have any symptoms out there that don't have any symptoms out there that don't have any symptoms at all like and you know at all like and you know at all like and you know um um something like 40 something like 40 something like 40 were completely asymptomatic well there were completely asymptomatic well there were completely asymptomatic well there was a study in israel um kind of going was a study in israel um kind of going was a study in israel um kind of going back to the stroke thing that found back to the stroke thing that found back to the stroke thing that found this was published in um this was published in um this was published in um earl april what was it maybe april 2020 earl april what was it maybe april 2020 earl april what was it maybe april 2020 or something maybe july i don't know it or something maybe july i don't know it or something maybe july i don't know it was it was still 2020 but they looked at was it was still 2020 but they looked at was it was still 2020 but they looked at patients that were coming in for stroke patients that were coming in for stroke patients that were coming in for stroke and they were these were younger than and they were these were younger than and they were these were younger than 50. and 50. and 50. and like 30 percent of them had had kova like 30 percent of them had had kova like 30 percent of them had had kova didn't know it because they were
2:26didn't know it because they were didn't know it because they were asymptomatic and they were younger asymptomatic and they were younger asymptomatic and they were younger people you know so it's like you'd think people you know so it's like you'd think people you know so it's like you'd think well if they had four more four well if they had four more four well if they had four more four comorbidities comorbidities comorbidities and they they had co but they'd know it and they they had co but they'd know it and they they had co but they'd know it right i mean so they were coming in for right i mean so they were coming in for right i mean so they were coming in for stroke stroke like like and they had and they had and they had no idea they had coconut until they were no idea they had coconut until they were no idea they had coconut until they were tested tested tested and they found out a stroke exactly so and they found out a stroke exactly so and they found out a stroke exactly so getting back to like getting back to like getting back to like you know so there's reasons you know so there's reasons you know so there's reasons that that i personally think that people that are i personally think that people that are i personally think that people that are younger and healthy younger and healthy younger and healthy should get vaccinated and for one is should get vaccinated and for one is should get vaccinated and for one is because because for most people the vaccines are safe for most people the vaccines are safe for most people the vaccines are safe and i mean we just have data to show and i mean we just have data to show and i mean we just have data to show that you know we have hundreds of that you know we have hundreds of that you know we have hundreds of millions of people that have had millions of people that have had millions of people that have had the vaccines we're getting the united the vaccines we're getting the united the vaccines we're getting the united states states states that have been vaccinated worldwide the that have been vaccinated worldwide the that have been vaccinated worldwide the second you know second you know second you know it's just hundreds of millions of people it's just hundreds of millions of people it's just hundreds of millions of people but also the fact that but also the fact that but also the fact that you know some of this stuff where you're you know some of this stuff where you're you know some of this stuff where you're talking about spike protein and you're talking about spike protein and you're talking about spike protein and you're worried about spike protein worried about spike protein worried about spike protein there there so this this is important because so this this is important because so this this is important because the spike protein from the cyrus co2
2:27the spike protein from the cyrus co2 the spike protein from the cyrus co2 virus is a different spike protein than virus is a different spike protein than virus is a different spike protein than what's in the vaccine what's in the vaccine what's in the vaccine so when the vaccines were made so when the vaccines were made so when the vaccines were made these are ones in the u.s so this is these are ones in the u.s so this is these are ones in the u.s so this is both mrna vaccines the pfizer biontec both mrna vaccines the pfizer biontec both mrna vaccines the pfizer biontec and then and then the the moderna as well as johnson johnson the moderna as well as johnson johnson the moderna as well as johnson johnson the protein itself is locked in a protein itself is locked in a protein itself is locked in a conformation it's called prefusion which conformation it's called prefusion which conformation it's called prefusion which is kind of like closed together and is kind of like closed together and is kind of like closed together and typically what happens when viruses like typically what happens when viruses like typically what happens when viruses like interact with our cell membrane they interact with our cell membrane they interact with our cell membrane they elongate it's called post-fusion of elongate it's called post-fusion of elongate it's called post-fusion of post-fusion viral complex post-fusion viral complex post-fusion viral complex and changes structure and changes structure and changes structure and so the the actual and so the the actual and so the the actual both the mrna vaccines and johnson and both the mrna vaccines and johnson and both the mrna vaccines and johnson and johnson locked the spike johnson locked the spike johnson locked the spike spike protein in the pre-fusion con con spike protein in the pre-fusion con con spike protein in the pre-fusion con con formation they inserted two proline formation they inserted two proline formation they inserted two proline amino acids and kept it locked it's a amino acids and kept it locked it's a amino acids and kept it locked it's a different protein different protein different protein there you know it's a different there you know it's a different there you know it's a different structure it can't open up structure it can't open up structure it can't open up we don't know like there's no evidence we don't know like there's no evidence we don't know like there's no evidence that these studies that have that these studies that have that these studies that have whether you're talking about the salk
2:28whether you're talking about the salk whether you're talking about the salk institute the other ones that they have institute the other ones that they have institute the other ones that they have injected spike protein from the starch injected spike protein from the starch injected spike protein from the starch of two virus into tracheas of hamsters of two virus into tracheas of hamsters of two virus into tracheas of hamsters and also mice there's been some in vitro and also mice there's been some in vitro and also mice there's been some in vitro studies showing the spike protein is studies showing the spike protein is studies showing the spike protein is harmful harmful harmful in those studies and it's binding to the in those studies and it's binding to the in those studies and it's binding to the h2 receptor and once it binds it can h2 receptor and once it binds it can h2 receptor and once it binds it can undergo like fusion and endocytosis but undergo like fusion and endocytosis but undergo like fusion and endocytosis but we don't know we don't know we don't know if the spike protein from these mrna if the spike protein from these mrna if the spike protein from these mrna vaccines are doing that like if you're vaccines are doing that like if you're vaccines are doing that like if you're going to make that claim it's a going to make that claim it's a going to make that claim it's a different spike protein you can't make different spike protein you can't make different spike protein you can't make that claim with no evidence so what do that claim with no evidence so what do that claim with no evidence so what do you think is happening to the people you think is happening to the people you think is happening to the people that are getting myocarditis or strokes that are getting myocarditis or strokes that are getting myocarditis or strokes or thrombosis or blood clots well from or thrombosis or blood clots well from or thrombosis or blood clots well from the vaccine so here's the thing i think the vaccine so here's the thing i think the vaccine so here's the thing i think the other part of that is that the other part of that is that the other part of that is that people are concerned that the mrna people are concerned that the mrna people are concerned that the mrna vaccines don't stay in the deltoid vaccines don't stay in the deltoid vaccines don't stay in the deltoid tissue right and they're somehow tissue right and they're somehow tissue right and they're somehow getting into circulation and and getting into circulation and and getting into circulation and and causing havoc you know causing havoc you know causing havoc you know here's the thing like when you so these here's the thing like when you so these here's the thing like when you so these mrna vaccines you know they're they're
2:29mrna vaccines you know they're they're mrna vaccines you know they're they're basically basically encased in this lipid nanoparticle and encased in this lipid nanoparticle and encased in this lipid nanoparticle and you know there's some other things in you know there's some other things in you know there's some other things in there with it but generally speaking there with it but generally speaking there with it but generally speaking when they're injected into the muscle when they're injected into the muscle when they're injected into the muscle tissue the lipid nanoparticle has a tissue the lipid nanoparticle has a tissue the lipid nanoparticle has a half-life of a few hours a few hours half-life of a few hours a few hours half-life of a few hours a few hours long enough to protect the mrna from long enough to protect the mrna from long enough to protect the mrna from degrading the mrna degrading the mrna degrading the mrna again the half-life is you know anywhere again the half-life is you know anywhere again the half-life is you know anywhere between some 72 hours or maybe like a between some 72 hours or maybe like a between some 72 hours or maybe like a little longer little longer little longer and the spike protein itself that's made and the spike protein itself that's made and the spike protein itself that's made in your cells in your cells in your cells speaks after 24 hours and then it goes speaks after 24 hours and then it goes speaks after 24 hours and then it goes away after 48. um away after 48. um away after 48. um the the the concern from people that the spike the concern from people that the spike the concern from people that the spike protein from the mrna vaccines or even protein from the mrna vaccines or even protein from the mrna vaccines or even just the whole mrna vaccine itself the just the whole mrna vaccine itself the just the whole mrna vaccine itself the whole lipid nanoparticle with the mrnas whole lipid nanoparticle with the mrnas whole lipid nanoparticle with the mrnas like going to other tissues like going to other tissues like going to other tissues comes from studies that were done from comes from studies that were done from comes from studies that were done from pfizer pfizer pfizer and um it was kind of leaked out and and um it was kind of leaked out and and um it was kind of leaked out and these studies were called these studies were called these studies were called biodistribution studies biodistribution studies biodistribution studies and they injected in they did rats and and they injected in they did rats and and they injected in they did rats and they did mice and the rats they did mice and the rats they did mice and the rats they injected 50 micrograms of the
2:30they injected 50 micrograms of the they injected 50 micrograms of the pfizer biontec vaccine so humans we get pfizer biontec vaccine so humans we get pfizer biontec vaccine so humans we get 30 micrograms per injection they gave 30 micrograms per injection they gave 30 micrograms per injection they gave the rat 50. the rat 50. the rat 50. so so you know how big is a rat you know you know how big is a rat you know you know how big is a rat you know they're getting almost almost twice as they're getting almost almost twice as they're getting almost almost twice as much as a big human's getting it's if much as a big human's getting it's if much as a big human's getting it's if you look at the rat equivalent dose 50 you look at the rat equivalent dose 50 you look at the rat equivalent dose 50 micrograms is 10 times the rat micrograms is 10 times the rat micrograms is 10 times the rat equivalent dose they were doing that equivalent dose they were doing that equivalent dose they were doing that intentionally for safety and to see what intentionally for safety and to see what intentionally for safety and to see what happens when you give 10 like high dose happens when you give 10 like high dose happens when you give 10 like high dose and what and what and what what was found is that you could see what was found is that you could see what was found is that you could see they radio labeled the lipid they radio labeled the lipid they radio labeled the lipid nanoparticle nanoparticle nanoparticle and you could see some radio-label parts and you could see some radio-label parts and you could see some radio-label parts in other organs in other organs in other organs like you know you'd see it in the spleen like you know you'd see it in the spleen like you know you'd see it in the spleen liver liver liver you know the bone marrow a little bit of you know the bone marrow a little bit of you know the bone marrow a little bit of other organs but other organs but other organs but again this is 10 times the dose and again this is 10 times the dose and again this is 10 times the dose and this was a radio-labeled lipid this was a radio-labeled lipid this was a radio-labeled lipid nanoparticle and typically nanoparticle and typically nanoparticle and typically you know when you inject something into you know when you inject something into you know when you inject something into like your muscle like your muscle like your muscle um um you've got lymphatic system lymph lymph you've got lymphatic system lymph lymph you've got lymphatic system lymph lymph is like surrounding it lots of immune is like surrounding it lots of immune is like surrounding it lots of immune cells are there and so what ends up
2:31cells are there and so what ends up cells are there and so what ends up happening is you have like dendritic happening is you have like dendritic happening is you have like dendritic cells immediately when something foreign cells immediately when something foreign cells immediately when something foreign like this lipid nanoparticle they chew like this lipid nanoparticle they chew like this lipid nanoparticle they chew it up into pieces and through it up into pieces and through it up into pieces and through phagocytosis it's like you know it gets phagocytosis it's like you know it gets phagocytosis it's like you know it gets taken to you know taken to you know taken to you know liver and stuff for like metabolic liver and stuff for like metabolic liver and stuff for like metabolic purposes right purposes right purposes right so we don't even know what that was not so we don't even know what that was not so we don't even know what that was not to mention the fact that it was you know to mention the fact that it was you know to mention the fact that it was you know 10 times the dose 10 times the dose 10 times the dose how is it going to get into this how is it going to get into this how is it going to get into this circulation that's weird circulation that's weird circulation that's weird most there have been some early earlier most there have been some early earlier most there have been some early earlier studies on mrna vaccines studies on mrna vaccines studies on mrna vaccines that have shown when you directly inject that have shown when you directly inject that have shown when you directly inject it like if you do it like intravenously it like if you do it like intravenously it like if you do it like intravenously it goes to the liver the mrna vaccine it goes to the liver the mrna vaccine it goes to the liver the mrna vaccine goes to the liver and your liver tries goes to the liver and your liver tries goes to the liver and your liver tries to get rid of it to get rid of it to get rid of it the same bio distribution study also the same bio distribution study also the same bio distribution study also injected mrna vaccines from physical injected mrna vaccines from physical injected mrna vaccines from physical biotech into mice but this time they did biotech into mice but this time they did biotech into mice but this time they did the animal equivalent dose which was two the animal equivalent dose which was two the animal equivalent dose which was two micrograms and micrograms and micrograms and there was a little bit found in the there was a little bit found in the there was a little bit found in the liver 24 liver 24 liver 24 24 hours later but it was gone by 48 24 hours later but it was gone by 48 24 hours later but it was gone by 48 nothing and there was no other organs nothing and there was no other organs nothing and there was no other organs that at least that they showed i mean that at least that they showed i mean that at least that they showed i mean presumably if they were showing up presumably if they were showing up presumably if they were showing up another organs they would show that but
2:32another organs they would show that but another organs they would show that but like like in the animal study so that's like like in the animal study so that's like like in the animal study so that's one piece of evidence the other one one piece of evidence the other one one piece of evidence the other one i've seen going around is like there was i've seen going around is like there was i've seen going around is like there was a small study 13 people a small study 13 people a small study 13 people and and they were looking at the antibody they were looking at the antibody they were looking at the antibody response to vaccines and within these 13 response to vaccines and within these 13 response to vaccines and within these 13 people they used a test called the samoa people they used a test called the samoa people they used a test called the samoa s-i-m-o-a to measure spike protein and s-i-m-o-a to measure spike protein and s-i-m-o-a to measure spike protein and the s-1 subunit of the spike protein and the s-1 subunit of the spike protein and the s-1 subunit of the spike protein and they found that three out of 13 people they found that three out of 13 people they found that three out of 13 people had they could detect spike protein and had they could detect spike protein and had they could detect spike protein and 11 out of 13 they could detect some of 11 out of 13 they could detect some of 11 out of 13 they could detect some of the sub the s1 subunit the sub the s1 subunit the sub the s1 subunit but it turns out like this this test the but it turns out like this this test the but it turns out like this this test the samoa is really good for looking at like samoa is really good for looking at like samoa is really good for looking at like igg igg igg you know antibodies but when it comes to you know antibodies but when it comes to you know antibodies but when it comes to actual spike protein actual spike protein actual spike protein it's 25 false positivity rate so another it's 25 false positivity rate so another it's 25 false positivity rate so another study showed this that you could take study showed this that you could take study showed this that you could take people pre-pandemic people pre-pandemic people pre-pandemic run this test on them and they'd show run this test on them and they'd show run this test on them and they'd show like they had spike protein 25 percent like they had spike protein 25 percent like they had spike protein 25 percent so it's just a bad test it's a it's an so it's just a bad test it's a it's an so it's just a bad test it's a it's an inaccurate test for spike protein inaccurate test for spike protein inaccurate test for spike protein set definitely for spike protein but in set definitely for spike protein but in set definitely for spike protein but in and also um for the s1 subunit
2:33and also um for the s1 subunit and also um for the s1 subunit so i don't think you can make a claim so i don't think you can make a claim so i don't think you can make a claim that because that because that because you know you have 11 out of 13 people you know you have 11 out of 13 people you know you have 11 out of 13 people showing this using this test that's the showing this using this test that's the showing this using this test that's the only study that's shown that like that only study that's shown that like that only study that's shown that like that to me is like you can't make any claim to me is like you can't make any claim to me is like you can't make any claim from that from that from that there's no way so what do you think is there's no way so what do you think is there's no way so what do you think is happening to people that are having bad happening to people that are having bad happening to people that are having bad responses to the vaccine like when young responses to the vaccine like when young responses to the vaccine like when young people are having myocarditis or heart people are having myocarditis or heart people are having myocarditis or heart failure failure failure when they're having strokes like what do when they're having strokes like what do when they're having strokes like what do you think is happening well it depends you think is happening well it depends you think is happening well it depends also on also on also on the vaccine itself you know so what what the vaccine itself you know so what what the vaccine itself you know so what what we know about the mrna vaccines is that we know about the mrna vaccines is that we know about the mrna vaccines is that they are the ones that are associated they are the ones that are associated they are the ones that are associated with with myocarditis but there isn't reason to myocarditis but there isn't reason to myocarditis but there isn't reason to johnson and johnson's also associated johnson and johnson's also associated johnson and johnson's also associated with blood clots that's different right with blood clots that's different right with blood clots that's different right i'm saying myocarditis so it's just i'm saying myocarditis so it's just i'm saying myocarditis so it's just myocarditis yeah so um so these are mrna myocarditis yeah so um so these are mrna myocarditis yeah so um so these are mrna vaccines and you know they're they do vaccines and you know they're they do vaccines and you know they're they do elicit a pretty strong immune response elicit a pretty strong immune response elicit a pretty strong immune response and that's why they've been so and that's why they've been so and that's why they've been so effective you know i guess i should say effective you know i guess i should say effective you know i guess i should say the efficacy if you're looking at the efficacy if you're looking at the efficacy if you're looking at clinical trials in terms of you know clinical trials in terms of you know clinical trials in terms of you know preventing sarge cove to infection um
2:34preventing sarge cove to infection um preventing sarge cove to infection um compared to johnson and johnson compared to johnson and johnson compared to johnson and johnson initially initially initially but but johnson johnson uses an adenoviral johnson johnson uses an adenoviral johnson johnson uses an adenoviral vaccine so there's this is the first vaccine so there's this is the first vaccine so there's this is the first time time time adenoviral vaccines have been used adenoviral vaccines have been used adenoviral vaccines have been used you know widespread like they've been you know widespread like they've been you know widespread like they've been using clinical studies dating back to using clinical studies dating back to using clinical studies dating back to like the 90s or 80s or something like like the 90s or 80s or something like like the 90s or 80s or something like that that but i was looking at some of those but i was looking at some of those but i was looking at some of those research studies and there seems to be a research studies and there seems to be a research studies and there seems to be a link between link between link between blood clots thrombosis and the blood clots thrombosis and the blood clots thrombosis and the adenoviral vectors back back then back adenoviral vectors back back then back adenoviral vectors back back then back in those studies in those studies in those studies and i don't think they're understanding and i don't think they're understanding and i don't think they're understanding it's still kind of rare i mean it's it's still kind of rare i mean it's it's still kind of rare i mean it's still rare and again you know covet is still rare and again you know covet is still rare and again you know covet is causing causing causing blood clots in people even people that blood clots in people even people that blood clots in people even people that are healthy you know like people that are healthy you know like people that are healthy you know like people that are you know getting a stroke are you know getting a stroke are you know getting a stroke so you know i don't know what it is but so you know i don't know what it is but so you know i don't know what it is but it's still it's still pretty rare it's still it's still pretty rare it's still it's still pretty rare with the adenoviral vaccines and like with the adenoviral vaccines and like with the adenoviral vaccines and like thrombocytopenia and like you know thrombocytopenia and like you know thrombocytopenia and like you know things like that um things like that um things like that um the myocarditis again still pretty rare the myocarditis again still pretty rare the myocarditis again still pretty rare and that's with the mrna vaccines i and that's with the mrna vaccines i and that's with the mrna vaccines i don't i you know there's
2:35don't i you know there's don't i you know there's inflammation is playing a role in that inflammation is playing a role in that inflammation is playing a role in that and why that is i don't know younger and why that is i don't know younger and why that is i don't know younger people children and adolescents are more people children and adolescents are more people children and adolescents are more prone to myocarditis from viral prone to myocarditis from viral prone to myocarditis from viral infections infections infections probably has something to do with their probably has something to do with their probably has something to do with their immune system being so much better and immune system being so much better and immune system being so much better and when you activate it maybe sometimes and when you activate it maybe sometimes and when you activate it maybe sometimes and some people some people some people you know there's too much of it going on you know there's too much of it going on you know there's too much of it going on i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't think i don't think this is linked i don't think that you're this is linked i don't think that you're this is linked i don't think that you're you're going to find you're going to find you're going to find you know the spike protein from the mrna you know the spike protein from the mrna you know the spike protein from the mrna vaccines are like floating around in vaccines are like floating around in vaccines are like floating around in your your vascular system and like going your your vascular system and like going your your vascular system and like going to your heart and like is that binding to your heart and like is that binding to your heart and like is that binding at all at all at all well i mean well i mean in theory yeah it is in theory yeah it is in theory yeah it is but you know again like we the spike but you know again like we the spike but you know again like we the spike proteins from the mrna vaccines are proteins from the mrna vaccines are proteins from the mrna vaccines are different from starch growth ii we different from starch growth ii we different from starch growth ii we talked about that pre-fusion right do we talked about that pre-fusion right do we talked about that pre-fusion right do we know if those spike proteins that are know if those spike proteins that are know if those spike proteins that are different do they have the same effect different do they have the same effect different do they have the same effect on the body or is it a minimal effect on the body or is it a minimal effect on the body or is it a minimal effect like what is well we know that the so like what is well we know that the so like what is well we know that the so this work was done by um jason mcclellan this work was done by um jason mcclellan this work was done by um jason mcclellan he's actually in austin he's at the he's actually in austin he's at the he's actually in austin he's at the university of austin university of austin university of austin he he's the one that basically did this he he's the one that basically did this he he's the one that basically did this two-point mutation and kept the
2:36two-point mutation and kept the two-point mutation and kept the the um spike protein in the pre-fusion the um spike protein in the pre-fusion the um spike protein in the pre-fusion complex and this was work that he had complex and this was work that he had complex and this was work that he had done previously with done previously with done previously with rsv respiratory and sexual viruses like rsv respiratory and sexual viruses like rsv respiratory and sexual viruses like every kid gets right and if you want to every kid gets right and if you want to every kid gets right and if you want to hear about a vaccine tragedy story like hear about a vaccine tragedy story like hear about a vaccine tragedy story like that's that's the poster child these that's that's the poster child these that's that's the poster child these study there were clinical studies done study there were clinical studies done study there were clinical studies done back in the 1960s back in the 1960s back in the 1960s on on rsv vaccines and rsv vaccines and rsv vaccines and you know i don't remember the number of you know i don't remember the number of you know i don't remember the number of people in the in the actual study of people in the in the actual study of people in the in the actual study of infants and toddlers but infants and toddlers but infants and toddlers but 80 80 80 of the infants and toddlers that got the of the infants and toddlers that got the of the infants and toddlers that got the vaccine vaccine vaccine and then were exposed to the naturally and then were exposed to the naturally and then were exposed to the naturally exposed to the virus exposed to the virus exposed to the virus got hospitalized and some a couple died got hospitalized and some a couple died got hospitalized and some a couple died like they and versus five percent of the like they and versus five percent of the like they and versus five percent of the infants that did not get the vaccine and infants that did not get the vaccine and infants that did not get the vaccine and were exposed so the vaccine were exposed so the vaccine were exposed so the vaccine we know now from you know what what was we know now from you know what what was we know now from you know what what was happening in that sense was that happening in that sense was that happening in that sense was that the vaccine was causing something called the vaccine was causing something called the vaccine was causing something called antibody dependent enhancement and what antibody dependent enhancement and what antibody dependent enhancement and what that is there's two ways that it can that is there's two ways that it can that is there's two ways that it can happen but one of the one of the things
2:37happen but one of the one of the things happen but one of the one of the things and it's induced by vaccines one of the and it's induced by vaccines one of the and it's induced by vaccines one of the things that can happen is it can make things that can happen is it can make things that can happen is it can make make viruses come into your cells like make viruses come into your cells like make viruses come into your cells like better so you like more viral particles better so you like more viral particles better so you like more viral particles you get infected you get infected you get infected the other way is and this is the other way is and this is the other way is and this is what was what was what was happening with rsv happening with rsv happening with rsv is it basically causes your immune is it basically causes your immune is it basically causes your immune system system to to become become become like more like more like more more dangerous and active like and be more dangerous and active like and be more dangerous and active like and be more harmful after you're exposed to the more harmful after you're exposed to the more harmful after you're exposed to the to the virus where the vaccine's to the virus where the vaccine's to the virus where the vaccine's supposed to be protecting you from supposed to be protecting you from supposed to be protecting you from and and for a long time and i know i think jason for a long time and i know i think jason for a long time and i know i think jason was involved in figuring this out dr was involved in figuring this out dr was involved in figuring this out dr mclellan mclellan mclellan that it's the that it's the that it's the post-fusion antibodies that you make post-fusion antibodies that you make post-fusion antibodies that you make from a vaccine that can cause that from a vaccine that can cause that from a vaccine that can cause that because the post-fusion remember those because the post-fusion remember those because the post-fusion remember those two diff confirmations of the a lot of two diff confirmations of the a lot of two diff confirmations of the a lot of times these viral proteins do that times these viral proteins do that times these viral proteins do that including the spike the post-fusion ones including the spike the post-fusion ones including the spike the post-fusion ones are not as are not as are not as they're not as um good at actually they're not as um good at actually they're not as um good at actually protecting you protecting you protecting you from the actual virus but they like the from the actual virus but they like the from the actual virus but they like the kind of in some cases can even mask it kind of in some cases can even mask it kind of in some cases can even mask it or like you know become harmful anyways
2:38or like you know become harmful anyways or like you know become harmful anyways they know now that the post-fusion they know now that the post-fusion they know now that the post-fusion antibodies play a role a big role in antibodies play a role a big role in antibodies play a role a big role in antibody dependent enhancement antibody dependent enhancement antibody dependent enhancement and those are not antibodies that are and those are not antibodies that are and those are not antibodies that are being made in being made in being made in both of that all the vaccines in the both of that all the vaccines in the both of that all the vaccines in the united states astrazeneca didn't do this united states astrazeneca didn't do this united states astrazeneca didn't do this to proline poi mutation change but to proline poi mutation change but to proline poi mutation change but but you know um the vaccines that we're but you know um the vaccines that we're but you know um the vaccines that we're using in the united states are and so using in the united states are and so using in the united states are and so the antibody dependent enhancement the antibody dependent enhancement the antibody dependent enhancement theory that's going to happen that theory that's going to happen that theory that's going to happen that people that are vaccinated are gonna people that are vaccinated are gonna people that are vaccinated are gonna they're all gonna be really sick they're they're all gonna be really sick they're they're all gonna be really sick they're gonna be sicker than people that just gonna be sicker than people that just gonna be sicker than people that just get the virus i haven't heard that yeah get the virus i haven't heard that yeah get the virus i haven't heard that yeah it's like a big one it's like a big one it's like a big one that misinformation it's misinformation that misinformation it's misinformation that misinformation it's misinformation that's like you know so for one you'd be that's like you know so for one you'd be that's like you know so for one you'd be seeing the hospitals fill up with seeing the hospitals fill up with seeing the hospitals fill up with vaccine people and not unvaccinated vaccine people and not unvaccinated vaccine people and not unvaccinated which is what we see but in which is what we see but in which is what we see but in israel they are filling up with israel they are filling up with israel they are filling up with vaccinated people well and israel is vaccinated people well and israel is vaccinated people well and israel is still it's mostly it's mostly not still it's mostly it's mostly not still it's mostly it's mostly not vaccinated people that are feeling the vaccinated people that are feeling the vaccinated people that are feeling the hospitals don't think that's true right hospitals don't think that's true right hospitals don't think that's true right now i think i was reading something now i think i was reading something now i think i was reading something today about that that the majority of today about that that the majority of today about that that the majority of the people that are hospitalized in
2:39the people that are hospitalized in the people that are hospitalized in israel were vaccinated and they're israel were vaccinated and they're israel were vaccinated and they're attributing that to the higher rate of attributing that to the higher rate of attributing that to the higher rate of vaccinations in israel and that the idea vaccinations in israel and that the idea vaccinations in israel and that the idea that these vaccines have a waning that these vaccines have a waning that these vaccines have a waning life of effectiveness life of effectiveness life of effectiveness so that after you know six to seven so that after you know six to seven so that after you know six to seven months or however many months it is that months or however many months it is that months or however many months it is that they're not as effective and then you're they're not as effective and then you're they're not as effective and then you're seeing people get sicker yeah and that's seeing people get sicker yeah and that's seeing people get sicker yeah and that's been shown in israel israel showed this been shown in israel israel showed this been shown in israel israel showed this they had a breakthrough study that was they had a breakthrough study that was they had a breakthrough study that was published in new england journal published in new england journal published in new england journal medicine they showed that basically medicine they showed that basically medicine they showed that basically you could take health care workers that you could take health care workers that you could take health care workers that were vaccinated and measure their were vaccinated and measure their were vaccinated and measure their antibody level neutralizing antibody antibody level neutralizing antibody antibody level neutralizing antibody levels like a week before levels like a week before levels like a week before they became infected or like you look at they became infected or like you look at they became infected or like you look at you you'd look at their antibody levels you you'd look at their antibody levels you you'd look at their antibody levels a week before they came down with a a week before they came down with a a week before they came down with a breakthrough infection and it predicted breakthrough infection and it predicted breakthrough infection and it predicted the breakthrough infection in other the breakthrough infection in other the breakthrough infection in other words people with lower neutralizing words people with lower neutralizing words people with lower neutralizing antibodies were more likely to get this antibodies were more likely to get this antibodies were more likely to get this breakthrough infection and then another breakthrough infection and then another breakthrough infection and then another study was published by miles davenport study was published by miles davenport study was published by miles davenport group group group it was published in nature medicine it was published in nature medicine it was published in nature medicine where he did some kind of modeling and where he did some kind of modeling and where he did some kind of modeling and found you had to have six times more found you had to have six times more found you had to have six times more neutralizing antibodies
2:40neutralizing antibodies neutralizing antibodies to protect from actually getting to protect from actually getting to protect from actually getting infection than from like you know being infection than from like you know being infection than from like you know being hospitalized as well so and and the hospitalized as well so and and the hospitalized as well so and and the pfizer vaccine so there was a huge study pfizer vaccine so there was a huge study pfizer vaccine so there was a huge study that came out out of that came out out of that came out out of um the mayo clinic and this was like um the mayo clinic and this was like um the mayo clinic and this was like recent it was like multi-states recent it was like multi-states recent it was like multi-states 25 000 people and one i think in um 25 000 people and one i think in um 25 000 people and one i think in um there were 25 000 people that were uh there were 25 000 people that were uh there were 25 000 people that were uh vaccinated vaccinated vaccinated and and they looked at um they looked at um they looked at um whether oh the 25 000 people were whether oh the 25 000 people were whether oh the 25 000 people were unvaccinated and it was looking at you unvaccinated and it was looking at you unvaccinated and it was looking at you know know effectivity of the vaccine so in other effectivity of the vaccine so in other effectivity of the vaccine so in other words protecting you from actually words protecting you from actually words protecting you from actually getting the infection and then like getting the infection and then like getting the infection and then like protecting from severity so protecting from severity so protecting from severity so hospitalizations hospitalizations hospitalizations and so the the with this is with the and so the the with this is with the and so the the with this is with the delta variant because everything's delta variant because everything's delta variant because everything's changed now with delta variant right i changed now with delta variant right i changed now with delta variant right i mean like these vaccines were much more mean like these vaccines were much more mean like these vaccines were much more effective at preventing infections with effective at preventing infections with effective at preventing infections with the alphabet being dominant which was the alphabet being dominant which was the alphabet being dominant which was the dominant one how do you know when the dominant one how do you know when the dominant one how do you know when you get infected if you have a delta you get infected if you have a delta you get infected if you have a delta variant because the friends that i've variant because the friends that i've variant because the friends that i've had that have gotten sick with covid had that have gotten sick with covid had that have gotten sick with covid particularly ones that have already been particularly ones that have already been particularly ones that have already been vaccinated they got sick afterwards they
2:41vaccinated they got sick afterwards they vaccinated they got sick afterwards they didn't test for what variant they just didn't test for what variant they just didn't test for what variant they just tested whether or not they're positive tested whether or not they're positive tested whether or not they're positive yeah i mean some places aren't doing yeah i mean some places aren't doing yeah i mean some places aren't doing that but you'd have to do it that but you'd have to do it that but you'd have to do it my friends all of my friends that got my friends all of my friends that got my friends all of my friends that got that tested positive after they've been that tested positive after they've been that tested positive after they've been vaccinated yeah i think now because the vaccinated yeah i think now because the vaccinated yeah i think now because the delta variant is so much more delta variant is so much more delta variant is so much more transmissible it's taken over i mean transmissible it's taken over i mean transmissible it's taken over i mean they're just like assuming they just they're just like assuming they just they're just like assuming they just built it exactly they just assume built it exactly they just assume built it exactly they just assume because it's like it's pretty much taken because it's like it's pretty much taken because it's like it's pretty much taken over you know but with that study they over you know but with that study they over you know but with that study they showed the pfizer vaccine went from like showed the pfizer vaccine went from like showed the pfizer vaccine went from like you know being 80 to 95 you know being 80 to 95 you know being 80 to 95 if you know effective at preventing if you know effective at preventing if you know effective at preventing infections to 42 percent infections to 42 percent infections to 42 percent so you know so you know there's a drop so you know so you know there's a drop so you know so you know there's a drop in that the maduro vaccine was actually in that the maduro vaccine was actually in that the maduro vaccine was actually much better it dropped down to like 70 much better it dropped down to like 70 much better it dropped down to like 70 cent 77 effective um so the side effects cent 77 effective um so the side effects cent 77 effective um so the side effects of the modern were a little stronger as of the modern were a little stronger as of the modern were a little stronger as well right because the mederna conferred well right because the mederna conferred well right because the mederna conferred more of the spike protein and it made more of the spike protein and it made more of the spike protein and it made your body more resilient to the virus your body more resilient to the virus your body more resilient to the virus but it also gave you harsher side but it also gave you harsher side but it also gave you harsher side effects is that the case effects is that the case effects is that the case so i don't know if the modern i mean
2:42so i don't know if the modern i mean so i don't know if the modern i mean that i don't know why that would be um that i don't know why that would be um that i don't know why that would be um other than that like maybe eliciting a other than that like maybe eliciting a other than that like maybe eliciting a stronger immune response maduro vaccine stronger immune response maduro vaccine stronger immune response maduro vaccine has three times the amount of mrna has three times the amount of mrna has three times the amount of mrna in it than than pfizer in it than than pfizer in it than than pfizer three times three times three times about so yeah about three times so but about so yeah about three times so but about so yeah about three times so but like getting back to that you know like getting back to that you know like getting back to that you know with with the transmission and looking with with the transmission and looking with with the transmission and looking at you know at you know at you know overall transmission like even overall transmission like even overall transmission like even aside from something called onward aside from something called onward aside from something called onward transmission there's two types of transmission there's two types of transmission there's two types of transmission like the vaccines are transmission like the vaccines are transmission like the vaccines are protecting protecting protecting people from from getting this virus people from from getting this virus people from from getting this virus because there's still some effectiveness because there's still some effectiveness because there's still some effectiveness of them they are it's reduced but like of them they are it's reduced but like of them they are it's reduced but like when you have you know it's still when you have you know it's still when you have you know it's still you know 40 of the people that are you know 40 of the people that are you know 40 of the people that are getting have the pfizer x amount of getting have the pfizer x amount of getting have the pfizer x amount of months later again months later again months later again neutralizing antibodies probably play a neutralizing antibodies probably play a neutralizing antibodies probably play a role in that you know if you have more role in that you know if you have more role in that you know if you have more if you're younger so there's all sorts if you're younger so there's all sorts if you're younger so there's all sorts of studies showing that older people of studies showing that older people of studies showing that older people make less neutralizing antibodies with make less neutralizing antibodies with make less neutralizing antibodies with with um vaccines and also time of course with um vaccines and also time of course with um vaccines and also time of course they want over time but there's lots of they want over time but there's lots of
2:43they want over time but there's lots of studies showing that people in the studies showing that people in the studies showing that people in the hospitals are older of course the ones hospitals are older of course the ones hospitals are older of course the ones that getting the breakthrough infections that getting the breakthrough infections that getting the breakthrough infections and um so these vaccines are still and um so these vaccines are still and um so these vaccines are still preventing they're preventing preventing they're preventing preventing they're preventing overall transmission they're preventing overall transmission they're preventing overall transmission they're preventing overall transmission well if everyone's overall transmission well if everyone's overall transmission well if everyone's if people are getting sick while they're if people are getting sick while they're if people are getting sick while they're vaccinated if the vaccinated people can vaccinated if the vaccinated people can vaccinated if the vaccinated people can still spread the virus how are they still spread the virus how are they still spread the virus how are they preventing so there's overall preventing so there's overall preventing so there's overall transmission and then introducing and transmission and then introducing and transmission and then introducing and using the reducing transmission the using the reducing transmission the using the reducing transmission the reducing i'm saying it's still reducing i'm saying it's still reducing i'm saying it's still for the overall transmission yes it's for the overall transmission yes it's for the overall transmission yes it's reducing it's reducing preventing sorry reducing it's reducing preventing sorry reducing it's reducing preventing sorry no it is not preventing it is it is no it is not preventing it is it is no it is not preventing it is it is reducing overall transmission reducing overall transmission reducing overall transmission there's also onward transmission and there's also onward transmission and there's also onward transmission and that's where a lot of this new stuff has that's where a lot of this new stuff has that's where a lot of this new stuff has come with delta where come with delta where come with delta where um there's been some you know the cdc um there's been some you know the cdc um there's been some you know the cdc put out some data and then um there was put out some data and then um there was put out some data and then um there was a study a big study out of the uk a study a big study out of the uk a study a big study out of the uk where they measured peak viral levels in where they measured peak viral levels in where they measured peak viral levels in vaccinated people and compared it to vaccinated people and compared it to vaccinated people and compared it to unvaccinated and peak viral levels were unvaccinated and peak viral levels were unvaccinated and peak viral levels were the same in terms of
2:44the same in terms of the same in terms of you know how much virus they were you know how much virus they were you know how much virus they were shedding but shedding but shedding but but the virus basically you know it's but the virus basically you know it's but the virus basically you know it's it's replicating for a number of days it's replicating for a number of days it's replicating for a number of days and you're shedding for a number of days and you're shedding for a number of days and you're shedding for a number of days it's not just peak it's not just the it's not just peak it's not just the it's not just peak it's not just the first you know few days it continues on first you know few days it continues on first you know few days it continues on and so a singapore study looked at that and so a singapore study looked at that and so a singapore study looked at that they looked at this was you know not a they looked at this was you know not a they looked at this was you know not a huge study but this was with the delta huge study but this was with the delta huge study but this was with the delta variant and they saw that while the variant and they saw that while the variant and they saw that while the initial levels of virus were the same initial levels of virus were the same initial levels of virus were the same and both vaccinated unvaccinated and both vaccinated unvaccinated and both vaccinated unvaccinated vaccinated people cleared it quicker vaccinated people cleared it quicker vaccinated people cleared it quicker they cleared it faster so they weren't they cleared it faster so they weren't they cleared it faster so they weren't shedding for as long of a time shedding for as long of a time shedding for as long of a time which would also suggest that if you which would also suggest that if you which would also suggest that if you were to take a random sampling of the were to take a random sampling of the were to take a random sampling of the population not people that are going and population not people that are going and population not people that are going and seeking health care in which case people seeking health care in which case people seeking health care in which case people are going and seeking health care are going and seeking health care are going and seeking health care they're like getting their peak viral they're like getting their peak viral they're like getting their peak viral infection right there's a react study infection right there's a react study infection right there's a react study it's a real time study that's going on it's a real time study that's going on it's a real time study that's going on in the uk where they get all this data in the uk where they get all this data in the uk where they get all this data real time real time real time they also found at a rent if you take a they also found at a rent if you take a they also found at a rent if you take a random sampling of people random sampling of people random sampling of people vaccinated people have less viral this vaccinated people have less viral this vaccinated people have less viral this is with delta they have less viral
2:45is with delta they have less viral is with delta they have less viral load than unvaccinated which is what you load than unvaccinated which is what you load than unvaccinated which is what you expect if vaccinated people are clearing expect if vaccinated people are clearing expect if vaccinated people are clearing it quicker it quicker it quicker so so there is even some evidence to suggest there is even some evidence to suggest there is even some evidence to suggest that even with delta variant vaccinated that even with delta variant vaccinated that even with delta variant vaccinated people are people are people are somewhat still even affecting somewhat still even affecting somewhat still even affecting onward transmission as well in other onward transmission as well in other onward transmission as well in other words you know preventing words you know preventing words you know preventing the transmission through just your the transmission through just your the transmission through just your infectiousness making other people sick infectiousness making other people sick infectiousness making other people sick but if there's these issues that you but if there's these issues that you but if there's these issues that you were talking about with people that even were talking about with people that even were talking about with people that even have very mild cases have very mild cases have very mild cases that are they're developing you know that are they're developing you know that are they're developing you know these problems with brain matter and all these problems with brain matter and all these problems with brain matter and all these different issues these are still these different issues these are still these different issues these are still happening to people who are vaccinated happening to people who are vaccinated happening to people who are vaccinated who get coveted right who get coveted right who get coveted right i don't know i don't know i i don't know that this is this was i i don't know that this is this was i i don't know that this is this was data main reasons why it's a good idea data main reasons why it's a good idea data main reasons why it's a good idea to get vaccinated was wasn't that what to get vaccinated was wasn't that what to get vaccinated was wasn't that what you were saying it's a reason you were saying it's a reason you were saying it's a reason infection but if infection but if infection but if it's a it's a reason on the individual it's a it's a reason on the individual it's a it's a reason on the individual level to it's like okay well do you want level to it's like okay well do you want level to it's like okay well do you want to be exposed to the virus without being to be exposed to the virus without being to be exposed to the virus without being vaccinated or do you want to be exposed vaccinated or do you want to be exposed vaccinated or do you want to be exposed with being vaccinated and maybe not even
2:46with being vaccinated and maybe not even with being vaccinated and maybe not even get it it's a gamble right i mean like get it it's a gamble right i mean like get it it's a gamble right i mean like you're going to be exposed so like you're going to be exposed so like you're going to be exposed so like either you're going to be vaccinated and either you're going to be vaccinated and either you're going to be vaccinated and not get it or you might get it with not get it or you might get it with not get it or you might get it with delta and you know there's or you can be delta and you know there's or you can be delta and you know there's or you can be unvaccinated and not get it too unvaccinated and not get it too unvaccinated and not get it too that's that that's that that's that that's not going to be the case for like that's not going to be the case for like that's not going to be the case for like unless you're a hermit and never you unless you're a hermit and never you unless you're a hermit and never you know it's eventually going to i've been know it's eventually going to i've been know it's eventually going to i've been exposed to it many times and i haven't exposed to it many times and i haven't exposed to it many times and i haven't gotten it you don't have any antibodies gotten it you don't have any antibodies gotten it you don't have any antibodies against any no i never got antibodies i against any no i never got antibodies i against any no i never got antibodies i did have a higher level of monocytes did have a higher level of monocytes did have a higher level of monocytes like i got tested my blood test didn't like i got tested my blood test didn't like i got tested my blood test didn't show that i had gotten over some sort of show that i had gotten over some sort of show that i had gotten over some sort of a viral infection i'd beaten it off well a viral infection i'd beaten it off well a viral infection i'd beaten it off well i don't know it sounds like you're i don't know it sounds like you're i don't know it sounds like you're either an outlier or maybe you did have either an outlier or maybe you did have either an outlier or maybe you did have it and it just it and it just it and it just hasn't been detected yet well there was hasn't been detected yet well there was hasn't been detected yet well there was a couple of days where everybody around a couple of days where everybody around a couple of days where everybody around me got it and a couple of days of my me got it and a couple of days of my me got it and a couple of days of my workouts felt really shitty and i just workouts felt really shitty and i just workouts felt really shitty and i just took it real easy and i continued the took it real easy and i continued the took it real easy and i continued the same stuff that i always do in terms of same stuff that i always do in terms of same stuff that i always do in terms of my protocol my protocol my protocol like with the sauna and all the other like with the sauna and all the other like with the sauna and all the other stuff that i do and vitamins and stuff that i do and vitamins and stuff that i do and vitamins and supplementation supplementation supplementation and my whole family got it i never got
2:47and my whole family got it i never got and my whole family got it i never got it it it well you know obviously there's people well you know obviously there's people well you know obviously there's people that are gonna get this that are gonna that are gonna get this that are gonna that are gonna get this that are gonna have hardly anything and maybe not even have hardly anything and maybe not even have hardly anything and maybe not even know it i mean that's happening i got my know it i mean that's happening i got my know it i mean that's happening i got my antibodies tested i had all those things antibodies tested i had all those things antibodies tested i had all those things done done done yeah i got tested every day for covid i yeah i got tested every day for covid i yeah i got tested every day for covid i have no idea i mean have no idea i mean have no idea i mean you know get go for the nuclear capsid you know get go for the nuclear capsid you know get go for the nuclear capsid protein um get that tested because that protein um get that tested because that protein um get that tested because that would be more i think indicative and would be more i think indicative and would be more i think indicative and that is a blood test you can get that that is a blood test you can get that that is a blood test you can get that from quest i believe it's quite either from quest i believe it's quite either from quest i believe it's quite either quest or lab corp i think it's quest quest or lab corp i think it's quest quest or lab corp i think it's quest it's nucleocapsid it's nucleocapsid it's nucleocapsid but i mean even aside from that you know but i mean even aside from that you know but i mean even aside from that you know like like if you have something that can like you if you have something that can like you if you have something that can like you know you don't want the hospitals to know you don't want the hospitals to know you don't want the hospitals to fill the ice used to fill up you don't fill the ice used to fill up you don't fill the ice used to fill up you don't you know no no of course now here's you know no no of course now here's you know no no of course now here's another question um if the effectiveness another question um if the effectiveness another question um if the effectiveness is effectiveness wanes of the vaccine is effectiveness wanes of the vaccine is effectiveness wanes of the vaccine over six months or however many much over six months or however many much over six months or however many much time it is and you need a booster do we time it is and you need a booster do we time it is and you need a booster do we have any information or any data as to have any information or any data as to have any information or any data as to what the effects of the booster is if we what the effects of the booster is if we what the effects of the booster is if we have have have the information about the second dose of the information about the second dose of the information about the second dose of the mrna vaccine being
2:48the mrna vaccine being the mrna vaccine being more difficult for some people to more difficult for some people to more difficult for some people to tolerate they have more difficult side tolerate they have more difficult side tolerate they have more difficult side effects do we have any data about what a effects do we have any data about what a effects do we have any data about what a third shot is going to be like or third shot is going to be like or third shot is going to be like or possibly a fourth or possibly a fourth or possibly a fourth or ongoing and is there a point in time ongoing and is there a point in time ongoing and is there a point in time where where it's going to be detrimental to your it's going to be detrimental to your it's going to be detrimental to your health to continue health to continue health to continue getting booster shots getting booster shots getting booster shots i have no idea i have no idea i don't i have no idea i have no idea i don't i have no idea i have no idea i don't think there's a road that we're getting think there's a road that we're getting think there's a road that we're getting on i you know i think in my opinion and on i you know i think in my opinion and on i you know i think in my opinion and again i should have said this earlier i again i should have said this earlier i again i should have said this earlier i am not an infectious disease expert i'm am not an infectious disease expert i'm am not an infectious disease expert i'm not about this is my opinion i know not about this is my opinion i know not about this is my opinion i know you're interested in my opinion yes you're interested in my opinion yes you're interested in my opinion yes um it is my opinion that um it is my opinion that um it is my opinion that elderly people and maybe those people elderly people and maybe those people elderly people and maybe those people with the four commodities or two or with the four commodities or two or with the four commodities or two or whatever it is any comorbidities whatever it is any comorbidities whatever it is any comorbidities probably probably probably um those people are you know what we're um those people are you know what we're um those people are you know what we're seeing in hospitals right now most of seeing in hospitals right now most of seeing in hospitals right now most of them are people that are amino them are people that are amino them are people that are amino compromised or compromised or compromised or older older older and they might benefit because they have and they might benefit because they have and they might benefit because they have a lot to lose if they get covered they a lot to lose if they get covered they a lot to lose if they get covered they have a lot to lose they have their life have a lot to lose they have their life have a lot to lose they have their life potentially right yeah so there may be
2:49potentially right yeah so there may be potentially right yeah so there may be an argument for people an argument for people an argument for people to get a booster to get a booster to get a booster at that age um i'm not sure there's an at that age um i'm not sure there's an at that age um i'm not sure there's an argument for people like myself to get a argument for people like myself to get a argument for people like myself to get a booster booster booster now but what about in 10 months what now but what about in 10 months what now but what about in 10 months what about in a year or you know or even in a about in a year or you know or even in a about in a year or you know or even in a year like i year like i year like i at some point like i you know the at some point like i you know the at some point like i you know the vaccine well i don't know it depends is vaccine well i don't know it depends is vaccine well i don't know it depends is there a lot of i don't know going on there a lot of i don't know going on there a lot of i don't know going on here with this stuff for the boosters here with this stuff for the boosters here with this stuff for the boosters for all of it for all of it for all of it no well for for the i mean the original no well for for the i mean the original no well for for the i mean the original data we've got the original clinical data we've got the original clinical data we've got the original clinical trial with 75 000 people with both mrna trial with 75 000 people with both mrna trial with 75 000 people with both mrna vaccines right but it was lasting for vaccines right but it was lasting for vaccines right but it was lasting for like four months right like there was like four months right like there was like four months right like there was phase one phase two phase three right phase one phase two phase three right phase one phase two phase three right but initially the thought was you are but initially the thought was you are but initially the thought was you are never going to get covid if you've been never going to get covid if you've been never going to get covid if you've been vaccinated and you're not going to vaccinated and you're not going to vaccinated and you're not going to spread it i mean this is what fauci had spread it i mean this is what fauci had spread it i mean this is what fauci had constantly espoused this was the thing constantly espoused this was the thing constantly espoused this was the thing that they were saying now they've that they were saying now they've that they were saying now they've changed it yes because we have a new changed it yes because we have a new changed it yes because we have a new variant i mean is it only because of the variant i mean is it only because of the variant i mean is it only because of the new variant or is it because of the new variant or is it because of the new variant or is it because of the waning of the original waning of the original waning of the original vaccine's effectiveness maybe both right
2:50vaccine's effectiveness maybe both right vaccine's effectiveness maybe both right probably both to be honest um i i do probably both to be honest um i i do probably both to be honest um i i do think that there's there's a lot of think that there's there's a lot of think that there's there's a lot of evidence to suggest evidence to suggest evidence to suggest that they're the new the neutralizing that they're the new the neutralizing that they're the new the neutralizing antibody levels can predict whether or antibody levels can predict whether or antibody levels can predict whether or not you get the sars co2 infection in not you get the sars co2 infection in not you get the sars co2 infection in fact if you look and compare it people fact if you look and compare it people fact if you look and compare it people that have had natural immunity that have had natural immunity that have had natural immunity to people that have just been fully to people that have just been fully to people that have just been fully vaccinated they're they're vaccinated they're they're vaccinated they're they're pretty equal in terms of as likely to pretty equal in terms of as likely to pretty equal in terms of as likely to get get get a breakthrough infection or re-infection a breakthrough infection or re-infection a breakthrough infection or re-infection but if you take a person that has but if you take a person that has but if you take a person that has natural immunity natural immunity natural immunity and then they get a vaccine they have and then they get a vaccine they have and then they get a vaccine they have something that is referred to as hybrid something that is referred to as hybrid something that is referred to as hybrid immunity and they're like 2.3 times immunity and they're like 2.3 times immunity and they're like 2.3 times three four times less likely to get it three four times less likely to get it three four times less likely to get it like they're like like they're like like they're like superhuman in a way having natural superhuman in a way having natural superhuman in a way having natural immunity plus immunity plus immunity plus plus the vaccine but also people that plus the vaccine but also people that plus the vaccine but also people that have had natural infections and then have had natural infections and then have had natural infections and then have the vaccine have a much higher have the vaccine have a much higher have the vaccine have a much higher likelihood of getting an adverse side likelihood of getting an adverse side likelihood of getting an adverse side effect do they yes effect do they yes effect do they yes i don't a good friend of mine who's an i don't a good friend of mine who's an i don't a good friend of mine who's an elite athlete got infected with so covet elite athlete got infected with so covet elite athlete got infected with so covet it was nothing he breezed through it and it was nothing he breezed through it and it was nothing he breezed through it and then he got vaccinated he was wrecked
2:51then he got vaccinated he was wrecked then he got vaccinated he was wrecked for 11 days i personally don't and this for 11 days i personally don't and this for 11 days i personally don't and this is probably controversial but i don't i is probably controversial but i don't i is probably controversial but i don't i think you know an individual has to think you know an individual has to think you know an individual has to decide and you know the cdc's saying decide and you know the cdc's saying decide and you know the cdc's saying people that have had natural immunity people that have had natural immunity people that have had natural immunity should get vaccinated but i don't see should get vaccinated but i don't see should get vaccinated but i don't see any reason why they have to to be honest any reason why they have to to be honest any reason why they have to to be honest unless they are just terrified and don't unless they are just terrified and don't unless they are just terrified and don't want to get it and they're maybe want to get it and they're maybe want to get it and they're maybe maybe they have that four times maybe they have that four times maybe they have that four times comorbidity or something like that comorbidity or something like that comorbidity or something like that in all fairness he's the only one that i in all fairness he's the only one that i in all fairness he's the only one that i know that had an adverse side effect know that had an adverse side effect know that had an adverse side effect that was also vaccinated and had coveted that was also vaccinated and had coveted that was also vaccinated and had coveted all the other friends that i've had that all the other friends that i've had that all the other friends that i've had that were vaccinated after they had covet had were vaccinated after they had covet had were vaccinated after they had covet had no problems no problems no problems but he had a bad one a lot of he had but he had a bad one a lot of he had but he had a bad one a lot of he had like massive fluid buildup in his body like massive fluid buildup in his body like massive fluid buildup in his body again it's not it's not zero risk people again it's not it's not zero risk people again it's not it's not zero risk people are having adverse effects but like are having adverse effects but like are having adverse effects but like there's so many hundreds of millions of there's so many hundreds of millions of there's so many hundreds of millions of people that have had it you know like we people that have had it you know like we people that have had it you know like we know about myocarditis from mrna know about myocarditis from mrna know about myocarditis from mrna vaccines like we know about that because vaccines like we know about that because vaccines like we know about that because of the vares data we know about the of the vares data we know about the of the vares data we know about the blood clotting from from the blood clotting from from the blood clotting from from the adenoviral vector vaccines including adenoviral vector vaccines including adenoviral vector vaccines including johnson johnson and i mean astrogenic is
2:52johnson johnson and i mean astrogenic is johnson johnson and i mean astrogenic is not used here but you know not used here but you know not used here but you know this is this is this is this is this is this is stuff like we know about these these stuff like we know about these these stuff like we know about these these side effects they're still rare what do side effects they're still rare what do side effects they're still rare what do you think about prophylactic use of you think about prophylactic use of you think about prophylactic use of certain medications like they're the the certain medications like they're the the certain medications like they're the the big and the most controversial one is big and the most controversial one is big and the most controversial one is ivermectin of course you know they used ivermectin of course you know they used ivermectin of course you know they used it in argentina with um it in argentina with um it in argentina with um critical care workers and critical care workers and critical care workers and they used it prophylactically and they they used it prophylactically and they they used it prophylactically and they had a very high success rate with using had a very high success rate with using had a very high success rate with using it it prophylactically and there's some real prophylactically and there's some real prophylactically and there's some real controversy because there's no real controversy because there's no real controversy because there's no real studies there was something that just studies there was something that just studies there was something that just came out recently out of india and came out recently out of india and came out recently out of india and india's use of vibramectin but it's not india's use of vibramectin but it's not india's use of vibramectin but it's not um there's not something that there's um there's not something that there's um there's not something that there's like real rock hard data that you can like real rock hard data that you can like real rock hard data that you can show that points to the effectiveness of show that points to the effectiveness of show that points to the effectiveness of it but you have like the frontline it but you have like the frontline it but you have like the frontline critical covid care workers who you know critical covid care workers who you know critical covid care workers who you know like uh pierre cory dr pierce who's like uh pierre cory dr pierce who's like uh pierre cory dr pierce who's promoting the use of ivermectin and many promoting the use of ivermectin and many promoting the use of ivermectin and many other people that also have shown other people that also have shown other people that also have shown they've had good use of it but it's very they've had good use of it but it's very they've had good use of it but it's very controversial right like a lot of people controversial right like a lot of people controversial right like a lot of people don't even want to prescribe it a lot of
2:53don't even want to prescribe it a lot of don't even want to prescribe it a lot of doctors doctors doctors they they don't even want to hear about they they don't even want to hear about they they don't even want to hear about it it um so i have done a lot of sort of um so i have done a lot of sort of um so i have done a lot of sort of trying to read the like i don't have the trying to read the like i don't have the trying to read the like i don't have the anecdotal evidence that dr pierre corey anecdotal evidence that dr pierre corey anecdotal evidence that dr pierre corey has in treating front line covered has in treating front line covered has in treating front line covered patients i don't have any of that patients i don't have any of that patients i don't have any of that anecdotal evidence none of it so all i anecdotal evidence none of it so all i anecdotal evidence none of it so all i can do is look at data and data that's can do is look at data and data that's can do is look at data and data that's you know either preprint or data that you know either preprint or data that you know either preprint or data that actually has been peer reviewed and actually has been peer reviewed and actually has been peer reviewed and published published and what i see and i mostly see that a and what i see and i mostly see that a and what i see and i mostly see that a lot of people doing this in um lot of people doing this in um lot of people doing this in um on websites they're like aggregating all on websites they're like aggregating all on websites they're like aggregating all this data and putting it together but this data and putting it together but this data and putting it together but there's like some major major there's like some major major there's like some major major problems with the way they're showing problems with the way they're showing problems with the way they're showing the data the data the data that is like it's a big concern that is like it's a big concern that is like it's a big concern the one is that you know people are the one is that you know people are the one is that you know people are using different obviously doses but using different obviously doses but using different obviously doses but there are different co-interventions there are different co-interventions there are different co-interventions with both the treatment group and the with both the treatment group and the with both the treatment group and the control group so you have people getting control group so you have people getting control group so you have people getting getting ivermectin or you'll have people getting ivermectin or you'll have people
2:54getting ivermectin or you'll have people getting ironmectin and azithromycin or getting ironmectin and azithromycin or getting ironmectin and azithromycin or you have people getting ivermectin you have people getting ivermectin you have people getting ivermectin doxycycline or you have people getting doxycycline or you have people getting doxycycline or you have people getting ivermectin ivermectin ivermectin you know azithromycin you're they're you know azithromycin you're they're you know azithromycin you're they're getting like um anticoagulants in some getting like um anticoagulants in some getting like um anticoagulants in some cases they're getting vitamin c they're cases they're getting vitamin c they're cases they're getting vitamin c they're getting getting getting the kitchen sink okay and then you have the kitchen sink okay and then you have the kitchen sink okay and then you have the control groups the control groups the control groups very considerably they're getting you very considerably they're getting you very considerably they're getting you know maybe in some cases in the best know maybe in some cases in the best know maybe in some cases in the best case a placebo case a placebo case a placebo um or they're getting you know the um or they're getting you know the um or they're getting you know the standard of care treatment or they're standard of care treatment or they're standard of care treatment or they're getting hydroxychloroquine or they're getting hydroxychloroquine or they're getting hydroxychloroquine or they're getting hydroxychloroquine and getting hydroxychloroquine and getting hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin azithromycin azithromycin okay so you have a bunch of different okay so you have a bunch of different okay so you have a bunch of different treatments and co-treatments happening treatments and co-treatments happening treatments and co-treatments happening with each group with each group with each group and you have people aggregating all and you have people aggregating all and you have people aggregating all those together those together those together and and making and that's just part a and and making and that's just part a and and making and that's just part a part b is you have part b is you have part b is you have different different different endpoints being measured you have like endpoints being measured you have like endpoints being measured you have like time till negative real time like real time till negative real time like real time till negative real time like real real-time pcr so like basically viral real-time pcr so like basically viral real-time pcr so like basically viral clearance right when you get negative clearance right when you get negative clearance right when you get negative you have people looking at you have people looking at you have people looking at hospitalizations you have people looking hospitalizations you have people looking hospitalizations you have people looking at mortality you have people looking at at mortality you have people looking at at mortality you have people looking at um what's another one okay the um what's another one okay the um what's another one okay the prophylactic like use
2:55prophylactic like use prophylactic like use endpoints and then people just like endpoints and then people just like endpoints and then people just like aggregating stuff together oh there's an aggregating stuff together oh there's an aggregating stuff together oh there's an improvement and they're aggregating all improvement and they're aggregating all improvement and they're aggregating all these studies together like these studies together like these studies together like and then the other problem is that you and then the other problem is that you and then the other problem is that you have and it's kind of something you have and it's kind of something you have and it's kind of something you alluded to is that alluded to is that alluded to is that you have you have you have small small sample sizes in such case small small sample sizes in such case small small sample sizes in such case that the incidence of something is going that the incidence of something is going that the incidence of something is going to be so small because the sample sample to be so small because the sample sample to be so small because the sample sample population is so small so i'll give you population is so small so i'll give you population is so small so i'll give you an example an example an example like you have 50 people like you have 50 people like you have 50 people in one group and you have 64 in another in one group and you have 64 in another in one group and you have 64 in another group and you know group and you know group and you know two out of the two out of the two out of the you know 50 people you know 50 people you know 50 people were hospitalized in the control group were hospitalized in the control group were hospitalized in the control group but zero were hospitalized in the but zero were hospitalized in the but zero were hospitalized in the ivermectin group like that is such a low ivermectin group like that is such a low ivermectin group like that is such a low incidence of events that you can't be incidence of events that you can't be incidence of events that you can't be certain but they take that and aggregate certain but they take that and aggregate certain but they take that and aggregate it right with all this stuff and then it it right with all this stuff and then it it right with all this stuff and then it becomes a massive lack of studies becomes a massive lack of studies becomes a massive lack of studies not only that and i think this is what's not only that and i think this is what's not only that and i think this is what's putting people off you said doctors and putting people off you said doctors and putting people off you said doctors and stuff there stuff there stuff there there is a there is a there is a huge huge huge overstatement for whatever reason maybe overstatement for whatever reason maybe overstatement for whatever reason maybe it's because people have anecdotal maybe it's because people have anecdotal maybe it's because people have anecdotal maybe they're treating patients like i know
2:56they're treating patients like i know they're treating patients like i know this works maybe they're passionate this works maybe they're passionate this works maybe they're passionate about it because of that right or about it because of that right or about it because of that right or maybe there's also people that are maybe there's also people that are maybe there's also people that are pretty much just not wanting they pretty much just not wanting they pretty much just not wanting they they think the vaccines are harmful they think the vaccines are harmful they think the vaccines are harmful and they want to find something else and they want to find something else and they want to find something else they can champion so i think they can champion so i think they can champion so i think they're doing harm to the ivermectin they're doing harm to the ivermectin they're doing harm to the ivermectin world by by sensationalizing it and world by by sensationalizing it and world by by sensationalizing it and making it like this miracle thing making it like this miracle thing making it like this miracle thing because because it is doing harm and i had a knee-jerk it is doing harm and i had a knee-jerk it is doing harm and i had a knee-jerk reaction at first it was like oh oh no i reaction at first it was like oh oh no i reaction at first it was like oh oh no i like i know this is like you can't say like i know this is like you can't say like i know this is like you can't say something's 99 something's 99 something's 99 like no clinical trial known to human like no clinical trial known to human like no clinical trial known to human history has ever shown something 99 history has ever shown something 99 history has ever shown something 99 effective right like so effective right like so effective right like so that was like a red flag but you know so that was like a red flag but you know so that was like a red flag but you know so there's there's a couple of things here there's there's a couple of things here there's there's a couple of things here there's therapeutic treatment with there's therapeutic treatment with there's therapeutic treatment with ivermectin and then there's prophylactic ivermectin and then there's prophylactic ivermectin and then there's prophylactic right taking if you know you've been right taking if you know you've been right taking if you know you've been exposed exposed exposed in in which case i think is a little in in which case i think is a little in in which case i think is a little more reasonable than like i'm going to more reasonable than like i'm going to more reasonable than like i'm going to take it instead of a vaccine in which take it instead of a vaccine in which take it instead of a vaccine in which case there is no evidence that case there is no evidence that case there is no evidence that ivermectin is going to ivermectin is going to ivermectin is going to protect you from getting it like a protect you from getting it like a protect you from getting it like a vaccine or prevent you from being vaccine or prevent you from being vaccine or prevent you from being hospitalized a vaccine there's certainly
2:57hospitalized a vaccine there's certainly hospitalized a vaccine there's certainly i don't even know if there's any i don't even know if there's any i don't even know if there's any evidence on delta frame this is a evidence on delta frame this is a evidence on delta frame this is a different variant this is different we different variant this is different we different variant this is different we don't even know what is i ever mentioned don't even know what is i ever mentioned don't even know what is i ever mentioned doing now we had to change the whole doing now we had to change the whole doing now we had to change the whole game with vaccines so that's another game with vaccines so that's another game with vaccines so that's another issue but issue but issue but my opinion is that when i look at all my opinion is that when i look at all my opinion is that when i look at all the data the data i see like you know you'll see like i see like you know you'll see like i see like you know you'll see like again it's like all over the place again it's like all over the place again it's like all over the place they're using this and that but just they're using this and that but just they're using this and that but just forget all that and you know it seems to forget all that and you know it seems to forget all that and you know it seems to me like there's huge variation in me like there's huge variation in me like there's huge variation in you know things like you know things like you know things like mortality mortality mortality um which makes sense i would think um which makes sense i would think um which makes sense i would think something like this would be more something like this would be more something like this would be more effective if you give it earlier on and effective if you give it earlier on and effective if you give it earlier on and you're preventing from you know a severe you're preventing from you know a severe you're preventing from you know a severe like hospitalization or something like like hospitalization or something like like hospitalization or something like that i think that's the idea behind it that i think that's the idea behind it that i think that's the idea behind it along with monoclonal antibodies along with monoclonal antibodies along with monoclonal antibodies which are now changing which are now changing which are now changing now regeneron's not even working against now regeneron's not even working against now regeneron's not even working against as well against the delta so these as well against the delta so these as well against the delta so these treatments yeah but here's the thing treatments yeah but here's the thing treatments yeah but here's the thing that i noticed that was consistent with that i noticed that was consistent with that i noticed that was consistent with ivermectin it did seem to be in almost ivermectin it did seem to be in almost ivermectin it did seem to be in almost every clinical trial it seemed to every clinical trial it seemed to every clinical trial it seemed to shorten the time to a negative pcr rate shorten the time to a negative pcr rate shorten the time to a negative pcr rate in other words in other words in other words help clear the virus like it that was help clear the virus like it that was help clear the virus like it that was the one thing the one endpoint now again the one thing the one endpoint now again the one thing the one endpoint now again some of these were ironic and plus blah
2:58some of these were ironic and plus blah some of these were ironic and plus blah blah blah blah blah okay but right aside blah blah blah blah okay but right aside blah blah blah blah okay but right aside from that that was the one consistent from that that was the one consistent from that that was the one consistent thing i saw and i was like oh thing i saw and i was like oh thing i saw and i was like oh instead of seeing you know like zero instead of seeing you know like zero instead of seeing you know like zero studies showing that and three that or studies showing that and three that or studies showing that and three that or this like it was the one thing i was this like it was the one thing i was this like it was the one thing i was like wow everything's really pointing to like wow everything's really pointing to like wow everything's really pointing to possibility of it clearing the virus possibility of it clearing the virus possibility of it clearing the virus faster which could faster which could faster which could affect transmission affect transmission affect transmission but there's really just a lack of but there's really just a lack of but there's really just a lack of studies studies really and a problem of really and a problem of really and a problem of just like just like just like piling it all on and making these large piling it all on and making these large piling it all on and making these large these these you know grandiose these these you know grandiose these these you know grandiose statements and and to be honest the statements and and to be honest the statements and and to be honest the prophylactic data like there was a huge prophylactic data like there was a huge prophylactic data like there was a huge there was one study that got me excited there was one study that got me excited there was one study that got me excited it was in like 600 healthcare workers in it was in like 600 healthcare workers in it was in like 600 healthcare workers in argentina no this was the one in in argentina no this was the one in in argentina no this was the one in in egypt egypt egypt um and um and and that one got withdrawn because it and that one got withdrawn because it and that one got withdrawn because it was like there was like um was like there was like um was like there was like um falsification of data they're like falsification of data they're like falsification of data they're like enrolling patients but like the patients enrolling patients but like the patients enrolling patients but like the patients had died and they were rolling them like had died and they were rolling them like had died and they were rolling them like after they had died it's like okay after they had died it's like okay after they had died it's like okay that was not right that was not right that was not right you know so i i do think you know it is you know so i i do think you know it is you know so i i do think you know it is my opinion that like i've known people my opinion that like i've known people my opinion that like i've known people not knowing them personally my my family
2:59not knowing them personally my my family not knowing them personally my my family has friends that were taking ivermectin has friends that were taking ivermectin has friends that were taking ivermectin that was prescribed by a doctor by the that was prescribed by a doctor by the that was prescribed by a doctor by the way taking animal grade ivermectin is a way taking animal grade ivermectin is a way taking animal grade ivermectin is a huge like that could be bad because the huge like that could be bad because the huge like that could be bad because the dose is way off way way off and people dose is way off way way off and people dose is way off way way off and people are doing that and they're getting me are doing that and they're getting me are doing that and they're getting me harmed but yeah that's a strange thing harmed but yeah that's a strange thing harmed but yeah that's a strange thing isn't it that they they did it with isn't it that they they did it with isn't it that they they did it with hydroxyl gwen too like people were doing hydroxyl gwen too like people were doing hydroxyl gwen too like people were doing that taking fish people are that taking fish people are that taking fish people are yeah exactly they were doing that but yeah exactly they were doing that but yeah exactly they were doing that but again i know people that were anti-vaxx again i know people that were anti-vaxx again i know people that were anti-vaxx and they were taking ibromectin and they and they were taking ibromectin and they and they were taking ibromectin and they were ended up in the icu and you know were ended up in the icu and you know were ended up in the icu and you know what could have been they ended up in what could have been they ended up in what could have been they ended up in the icu with from ivory mech no no the icu with from ivory mech no no the icu with from ivory mech no no they they got covered and then it was they they got covered and then it was they they got covered and then it was like bad and there was the fight animal like bad and there was the fight animal like bad and there was the fight animal grade no they were taking ivermectin grade no they were taking ivermectin grade no they were taking ivermectin they had gotten ironmectin were they they had gotten ironmectin were they they had gotten ironmectin were they taking the taking the taking the i don't know i mean so you know there's i don't know i mean so you know there's i don't know i mean so you know there's there's the dose and you know but you there's the dose and you know but you there's the dose and you know but you know here's also it's a say it is a safe know here's also it's a say it is a safe know here's also it's a say it is a safe drug right and um but you know most of drug right and um but you know most of drug right and um but you know most of times that it's used with our whole times that it's used with our whole times that it's used with our whole safety history is one to two days so safety history is one to two days so safety history is one to two days so that's that's what it's prescribed for that's that's what it's prescribed for that's that's what it's prescribed for for right all those things for river for right all those things for river for right all those things for river blindness and things like that
3:00blindness and things like that blindness and things like that yeah so it's like what what effect is yeah so it's like what what effect is yeah so it's like what what effect is having it once a week have for multiple having it once a week have for multiple having it once a week have for multiple weeks i don't know i don't know honestly weeks i don't know i don't know honestly weeks i don't know i don't know honestly but you know we don't know we don't i i but you know we don't know we don't i i but you know we don't know we don't i i personally personally personally think people should think people should think people should get get vaccinated i think it's safe i get get vaccinated i think it's safe i get get vaccinated i think it's safe i think people should make that decision i think people should make that decision i think people should make that decision i mean based on information i hope they mean based on information i hope they mean based on information i hope they choose to i don't i'm telling someone to choose to i don't i'm telling someone to choose to i don't i'm telling someone to do something i hope they choose to do something i hope they choose to do something i hope they choose to you know it is the safest way to protect you know it is the safest way to protect you know it is the safest way to protect yourself from this and also to help us yourself from this and also to help us yourself from this and also to help us get our society back to normal and also get our society back to normal and also get our society back to normal and also help not overwhelm icus because you help not overwhelm icus because you help not overwhelm icus because you don't want to get a car accident or have don't want to get a car accident or have don't want to get a car accident or have a heart attack a heart attack a heart attack if the icu is full it's bad right if the icu is full it's bad right if the icu is full it's bad right um we're at three hours unfortunately i um we're at three hours unfortunately i um we're at three hours unfortunately i got a tight day today yeah we're gonna got a tight day today yeah we're gonna got a tight day today yeah we're gonna be all out of here there you have it is be all out of here there you have it is be all out of here there you have it is there anything else would do do you have there anything else would do do you have there anything else would do do you have any final thoughts on this any final thoughts on this any final thoughts on this i got a lot of thoughts on it but um i i got a lot of thoughts on it but um i i got a lot of thoughts on it but um i think think i think i think we talked about some i think i think we talked about some i think i think we talked about some good we didn't talk about the fertility good we didn't talk about the fertility good we didn't talk about the fertility but there's many studies that have come but there's many studies that have come but there's many studies that have come out showing it doesn't affect fertility out showing it doesn't affect fertility out showing it doesn't affect fertility and um what do you think about pregnant and um what do you think about pregnant and um what do you think about pregnant women getting it
3:01women getting it women getting it well there's been studies large studies well there's been studies large studies well there's been studies large studies that have now been done with pregnant that have now been done with pregnant that have now been done with pregnant women getting it and um women getting it and um women getting it and um you know i think it's i think it's it's you know i think it's i think it's it's you know i think it's i think it's it's bad to get sarge cove too if you're bad to get sarge cove too if you're bad to get sarge cove too if you're pregnant so i think a woman has to make pregnant so i think a woman has to make pregnant so i think a woman has to make the decision whether or not they're the decision whether or not they're the decision whether or not they're going to be exposed to it if they're going to be exposed to it if they're going to be exposed to it if they're working a job and have to be out do you working a job and have to be out do you working a job and have to be out do you think there's any additional concerns think there's any additional concerns think there's any additional concerns about getting vaccinated while you're about getting vaccinated while you're about getting vaccinated while you're pregnant pregnant pregnant i think the data so far has suggested i think the data so far has suggested i think the data so far has suggested it's it seems to be okay it's it seems to be okay it's it seems to be okay particularly when you compare it to particularly when you compare it to particularly when you compare it to getting sarge cove too while pregnant getting sarge cove too while pregnant getting sarge cove too while pregnant um you know and that's and that's pretty um you know and that's and that's pretty um you know and that's and that's pretty much the bottom line i'm always much the bottom line i'm always much the bottom line i'm always with pregnancy in me it's always kind of with pregnancy in me it's always kind of with pregnancy in me it's always kind of like the most conservative you could like the most conservative you could like the most conservative you could ever do you know and so like that that's ever do you know and so like that that's ever do you know and so like that that's that's my nature and i i you know again that's my nature and i i you know again that's my nature and i i you know again i'm i have that luxury because i don't i'm i have that luxury because i don't i'm i have that luxury because i don't have to go out and talk to people i can have to go out and talk to people i can have to go out and talk to people i can stay home and work and not interact with stay home and work and not interact with stay home and work and not interact with anyone right um if i were like a you anyone right um if i were like a you anyone right um if i were like a you know grocery store worker or someone know grocery store worker or someone know grocery store worker or someone that's like you know in in the service that's like you know in in the service that's like you know in in the service industry or someone that's going to be industry or someone that's going to be industry or someone that's going to be exposed like i wouldn't want to get the
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