Jeff Pyzyk likes his sauna HOT and his plunge COLD
00:00[Music] [Music] Guess who's coming to sauna Guess who's coming to sauna hello everyone as always I'm Aaron with hello everyone as always I'm Aaron with the North American southern society and the North American southern society and the North American southern society and I'm here with my fellow Sam Sam how are I'm here with my fellow Sam Sam how are I'm here with my fellow Sam Sam how are you doing well Arrow doing well I uh you doing well Arrow doing well I uh you doing well Arrow doing well I uh can't wait to talk today uh more sauna can't wait to talk today uh more sauna can't wait to talk today uh more sauna um thanks everybody for tuning in um thanks everybody for tuning in um thanks everybody for tuning in um risto who do we have with us today um risto who do we have with us today um risto who do we have with us today uh we have my good sauna friend Jeff uh we have my good sauna friend Jeff uh we have my good sauna friend Jeff Isaac Isaac Isaac um he he's important for my sound of um he he's important for my sound of um he he's important for my sound of story way back when we first got into it story way back when we first got into it story way back when we first got into it but I won't go into too much detail but I won't go into too much detail but I won't go into too much detail there because today is more about his there because today is more about his there because today is more about his sound a story and uh just getting a sound a story and uh just getting a sound a story and uh just getting a chance to hear about his Donna chance to hear about his Donna chance to hear about his Donna experience he's one of the biggest sauna
01:00experience he's one of the biggest sauna experience he's one of the biggest sauna enthusiasts I know that he probably enthusiasts I know that he probably enthusiasts I know that he probably sounds more than anyone else I know and sounds more than anyone else I know and sounds more than anyone else I know and uh so it's great to have him on the show uh so it's great to have him on the show uh so it's great to have him on the show with us today with us today with us today well thank you well thank you well thank you you know I I always say uh I'm not in you know I I always say uh I'm not in you know I I always say uh I'm not in the sound of business but I'm a heavy the sound of business but I'm a heavy the sound of business but I'm a heavy user user user [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] so what so what so what what did you like it's like how can you what did you like it's like how can you what did you like it's like how can you say that it's like you said what is this say that it's like you said what is this say that it's like you said what is this thing with sound on you well I my thing with sound on you well I my thing with sound on you well I my original exposure to sauna was in you original exposure to sauna was in you original exposure to sauna was in you know of course health clubs and that know of course health clubs and that know of course health clubs and that sort of thing where you sit in a dry sort of thing where you sit in a dry sort of thing where you sit in a dry room without any water on the rocks and room without any water on the rocks and room without any water on the rocks and it just gets hot and it's uncomfortable it just gets hot and it's uncomfortable it just gets hot and it's uncomfortable and I never really enjoyed a real sauna and I never really enjoyed a real sauna and I never really enjoyed a real sauna until we bought until we bought until we bought um a lake home up in Manitowoc County um a lake home up in Manitowoc County um a lake home up in Manitowoc County Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin and I met my neighbors two of them had and I met my neighbors two of them had and I met my neighbors two of them had saunas one had a wood burning sound on saunas one had a wood burning sound on saunas one had a wood burning sound on the other had an electric sauna and they
02:00the other had an electric sauna and they the other had an electric sauna and they invited me for sauna just about the invited me for sauna just about the invited me for sauna just about the first night that we bought our place first night that we bought our place first night that we bought our place and I was trying to be a good neighbor and I was trying to be a good neighbor and I was trying to be a good neighbor and say okay all right and say okay all right and say okay all right I wasn't sure what to expect and I wasn't sure what to expect and I wasn't sure what to expect and at about six o'clock that evening they at about six o'clock that evening they at about six o'clock that evening they started yelling my name from the water started yelling my name from the water started yelling my name from the water and I went down to the sauna and and I went down to the sauna and and I went down to the sauna and there were about five or six sweaty men there were about five or six sweaty men there were about five or six sweaty men sitting inside a small room that was sitting inside a small room that was sitting inside a small room that was about 180 degrees about 180 degrees about 180 degrees and uh I sat down and you know they and uh I sat down and you know they and uh I sat down and you know they offered me a beer and offered me a beer and offered me a beer and um started to uh um started to uh um started to uh have conversation and so on and everyone have conversation and so on and everyone have conversation and so on and everyone was sweating in this room and I'm was sweating in this room and I'm was sweating in this room and I'm thinking what am I doing here you know thinking what am I doing here you know thinking what am I doing here you know and they have a tradition at our Lake and they have a tradition at our Lake and they have a tradition at our Lake where they will fill these plastic 1.5 where they will fill these plastic 1.5 where they will fill these plastic 1.5 liter whiskey bottles with water full of
03:00liter whiskey bottles with water full of liter whiskey bottles with water full of Lake water and then pour that whiskey Lake water and then pour that whiskey Lake water and then pour that whiskey bottle you know on the rocks bottle you know on the rocks bottle you know on the rocks so they asked me they held up uh so they asked me they held up uh so they asked me they held up uh a clear plastic bottle and said do you a clear plastic bottle and said do you a clear plastic bottle and said do you want some and I said no I'm fine with want some and I said no I'm fine with want some and I said no I'm fine with beer beer beer and they poured water on the rocks and I and they poured water on the rocks and I and they poured water on the rocks and I felt the heat squalled my neck felt the heat squalled my neck felt the heat squalled my neck and I was like what am I doing here you and I was like what am I doing here you and I was like what am I doing here you know know know and as the room and as the room and as the room really heated up really heated up really heated up one by one they ran out and dove in the one by one they ran out and dove in the one by one they ran out and dove in the lake and of course I followed and once I lake and of course I followed and once I lake and of course I followed and once I jumped in the water after that hot you jumped in the water after that hot you jumped in the water after that hot you know experience I was hooked know experience I was hooked know experience I was hooked at that moment I thought this is the at that moment I thought this is the at that moment I thought this is the this is great you know this is great you know this is great you know so so so um um um year after year I was probably uh this year after year I was probably uh this year after year I was probably uh this was 1998 when we bought and for the was 1998 when we bought and for the was 1998 when we bought and for the first five or six years first five or six years first five or six years I would wait for them to have a sauna I would wait for them to have a sauna
04:00I would wait for them to have a sauna and then I would always you know join and then I would always you know join and then I would always you know join whenever I could whenever I could whenever I could and I finally uh about 17 years ago and I finally uh about 17 years ago and I finally uh about 17 years ago thought I I really need to build my own thought I I really need to build my own thought I I really need to build my own sauna and uh so I built my first sauna sauna and uh so I built my first sauna sauna and uh so I built my first sauna up at our lake house up at our lake house up at our lake house and it was an electric I used an and it was an electric I used an and it was an electric I used an electric heater because I thought that electric heater because I thought that electric heater because I thought that would be more convenient there and uh would be more convenient there and uh would be more convenient there and uh so I found my this place is about uh 45 so I found my this place is about uh 45 so I found my this place is about uh 45 minutes from where we live so I found minutes from where we live so I found minutes from where we live so I found myself driving 45 minutes to have a myself driving 45 minutes to have a myself driving 45 minutes to have a sauna which was sauna which was sauna which was you know starting to be three three you know starting to be three three you know starting to be three three times a week or something like that times a week or something like that times a week or something like that every weekend every weekend every weekend and so uh you know as the years went by and so uh you know as the years went by and so uh you know as the years went by I thought I need to have a sauna at home I thought I need to have a sauna at home I thought I need to have a sauna at home and as I started to and as I started to and as I started to you know research you know research you know research Finnish sauna and Finnish sauna and Finnish sauna and sonatimes.com you know Glenn's uh sonatimes.com you know Glenn's uh sonatimes.com you know Glenn's uh website and
05:00website and website and uh Facebook pages and so on I thought I uh Facebook pages and so on I thought I uh Facebook pages and so on I thought I really should do a wood burner at home really should do a wood burner at home really should do a wood burner at home to make it a more authentic you know to make it a more authentic you know to make it a more authentic you know type Persona and so uh about seven years type Persona and so uh about seven years type Persona and so uh about seven years ago I built my own sauna here at home ago I built my own sauna here at home ago I built my own sauna here at home oh that that's awesome Jeff oh that that's awesome Jeff oh that that's awesome Jeff um you know did did anyone else other um you know did did anyone else other um you know did did anyone else other than your neighbors you know offer any than your neighbors you know offer any than your neighbors you know offer any input or were you kind of on your own input or were you kind of on your own input or were you kind of on your own little Mission there well so yeah it was little Mission there well so yeah it was little Mission there well so yeah it was a little bit on my own you know in terms a little bit on my own you know in terms a little bit on my own you know in terms of there wasn't as much information out of there wasn't as much information out of there wasn't as much information out there there there um and there um and there um and there you know Christopher was you know Christopher was you know Christopher was very early on started wood burning sound very early on started wood burning sound very early on started wood burning sound on the Facebook page on the Facebook page on the Facebook page and I was probably one of the early and I was probably one of the early and I was probably one of the early people that was on that Facebook page people that was on that Facebook page people that was on that Facebook page and I found it very interesting people and I found it very interesting people and I found it very interesting people started interacting and it was kind of started interacting and it was kind of started interacting and it was kind of new really it was sort of innovative and new really it was sort of innovative and new really it was sort of innovative and um um you know getting ideas from other people you know getting ideas from other people you know getting ideas from other people and and so on and how they're building and and so on and how they're building and and so on and how they're building their saunas so
06:00their saunas so their saunas so um after a while Christopher asked you um after a while Christopher asked you um after a while Christopher asked you know if I would be an administrator with know if I would be an administrator with know if I would be an administrator with him so the two of us administrate the him so the two of us administrate the him so the two of us administrate the wood burning sauna Facebook page wood burning sauna Facebook page wood burning sauna Facebook page but it was very helpful and of course but it was very helpful and of course but it was very helpful and of course it's grown and exploded since then you it's grown and exploded since then you it's grown and exploded since then you know and with uh everything that's going know and with uh everything that's going know and with uh everything that's going on in the Twin Cities and in Minneapolis on in the Twin Cities and in Minneapolis on in the Twin Cities and in Minneapolis area and and up in uh you know Northern area and and up in uh you know Northern area and and up in uh you know Northern Michigan and so on it's uh it's been Michigan and so on it's uh it's been Michigan and so on it's uh it's been crazy I mean it's just really uh we've crazy I mean it's just really uh we've crazy I mean it's just really uh we've seen seen seen sauna taking off in North America sauna taking off in North America sauna taking off in North America uh you know from its original Finnish uh you know from its original Finnish uh you know from its original Finnish roots and the Iron Range now people roots and the Iron Range now people roots and the Iron Range now people building some very elaborate beautiful building some very elaborate beautiful building some very elaborate beautiful sounds you know compared to what I built sounds you know compared to what I built sounds you know compared to what I built you know which was a a fairly simple you know which was a a fairly simple you know which was a a fairly simple um kind of uh inexpensive building but um kind of uh inexpensive building but um kind of uh inexpensive building but effective you know
07:00effective you know effective you know um um do you do you feel do you do you feel do you do you feel like you say that the sauna is exploded like you say that the sauna is exploded like you say that the sauna is exploded in North America and that that is uh in North America and that that is uh in North America and that that is uh that's pretty much so but do you like that's pretty much so but do you like that's pretty much so but do you like like we at NAS North American sauna like we at NAS North American sauna like we at NAS North American sauna Society we pretty often still see that Society we pretty often still see that Society we pretty often still see that many of the sounds that are built are many of the sounds that are built are many of the sounds that are built are built in uh in the basements built in uh in the basements built in uh in the basements or you know Master or you know Master or you know Master bathrooms or stuff like you know places bathrooms or stuff like you know places bathrooms or stuff like you know places like that so so how do you feel about like that so so how do you feel about like that so so how do you feel about the quality of sound in general or do the quality of sound in general or do the quality of sound in general or do you have a view on that well I'm I'm you have a view on that well I'm I'm you have a view on that well I'm I'm seeing seeing seeing so you know so many there's a couple of so you know so many there's a couple of so you know so many there's a couple of Facebook pages that you know sauna uh Facebook pages that you know sauna uh Facebook pages that you know sauna uh design construction Houston enjoyment design construction Houston enjoyment design construction Houston enjoyment that's a Facebook page that's fairly that's a Facebook page that's fairly that's a Facebook page that's fairly popular wood fires saunas another popular wood fires saunas another popular wood fires saunas another Facebook page and when you see some of Facebook page and when you see some of Facebook page and when you see some of the buildings that people are building the buildings that people are building the buildings that people are building and you look at some of these mobile and you look at some of these mobile and you look at some of these mobile saunas I mean people are spending thirty saunas I mean people are spending thirty saunas I mean people are spending thirty thousand forty thousand fifty thousand
08:00thousand forty thousand fifty thousand thousand forty thousand fifty thousand sixty seventy thousand dollars on very sixty seventy thousand dollars on very sixty seventy thousand dollars on very elaborate soundness and when when I elaborate soundness and when when I elaborate soundness and when when I first built mine I live on Lake Michigan first built mine I live on Lake Michigan first built mine I live on Lake Michigan here at home but it's I'm on 120 foot here at home but it's I'm on 120 foot here at home but it's I'm on 120 foot high Bluff so I can't get down to the high Bluff so I can't get down to the high Bluff so I can't get down to the lake to cool off lake to cool off lake to cool off so early on I thought I need to have a so early on I thought I need to have a so early on I thought I need to have a solution to cool down between uh my my solution to cool down between uh my my solution to cool down between uh my my uh sauna rounds so I you know just got uh sauna rounds so I you know just got uh sauna rounds so I you know just got the idea of having a a stock tank full the idea of having a a stock tank full the idea of having a a stock tank full of cold water and I built a cover for it of cold water and I built a cover for it of cold water and I built a cover for it and so that's my my mechanism for and so that's my my mechanism for and so that's my my mechanism for cooling down between you know uh the cooling down between you know uh the cooling down between you know uh the sauna rounds I jump in the cold water sauna rounds I jump in the cold water sauna rounds I jump in the cold water but you see people now with cold plunges but you see people now with cold plunges but you see people now with cold plunges that have filtration systems on them and that have filtration systems on them and that have filtration systems on them and and they have uh uh refrigerant systems and they have uh uh refrigerant systems and they have uh uh refrigerant systems that keep the water cold and I mean it's that keep the water cold and I mean it's that keep the water cold and I mean it's it's getting very very crazy I mean it's getting very very crazy I mean it's getting very very crazy I mean interesting you know that people are I
09:00interesting you know that people are I interesting you know that people are I just feel like it's really an emerging just feel like it's really an emerging just feel like it's really an emerging Trend and it's this whole thermoculture Trend and it's this whole thermoculture Trend and it's this whole thermoculture that's it's cold plunge coupled with that's it's cold plunge coupled with that's it's cold plunge coupled with with the sauna and the two combined with the sauna and the two combined with the sauna and the two combined I I think is uh really becoming I I think is uh really becoming I I think is uh really becoming um something very popular that people um something very popular that people um something very popular that people are exploring and building and and are exploring and building and and are exploring and building and and really investing in now for their health really investing in now for their health really investing in now for their health their mental health and you know their mental health and you know their mental health and you know so that that's how I see it but it's so that that's how I see it but it's so that that's how I see it but it's it's hard to gauge really how it's hard to gauge really how it's hard to gauge really how I don't know how to what the metric is I don't know how to what the metric is I don't know how to what the metric is to measure that you know to measure that you know to measure that you know and I don't know if if you have any any and I don't know if if you have any any and I don't know if if you have any any metrics that you can point to that show metrics that you can point to that show metrics that you can point to that show popularity of sauna North America is how popularity of sauna North America is how popularity of sauna North America is how it's growing or what it's growing or what it's growing or what well go ahead you know there are some well go ahead you know there are some well go ahead you know there are some general you know things that we can look general you know things that we can look general you know things that we can look to I do know to I do know to I do know um you know risto you know you're you're um you know risto you know you're you're um you know risto you know you're you're big with Google Trends
10:00big with Google Trends big with Google Trends and and I I love seeing your posts you and and I I love seeing your posts you and and I I love seeing your posts you know about Google Trends but I I know know about Google Trends but I I know know about Google Trends but I I know recently as of as of this year recently as of as of this year recently as of as of this year um you know the sauna in or sauna um you know the sauna in or sauna um you know the sauna in or sauna interest has really started to outpace interest has really started to outpace interest has really started to outpace some of the other categories such as hot some of the other categories such as hot some of the other categories such as hot tubs and and things like that so you tubs and and things like that so you tubs and and things like that so you know we are seeing you know tremendous know we are seeing you know tremendous know we are seeing you know tremendous growth in the interest growth in the interest growth in the interest um you know I I do think that a lot of um you know I I do think that a lot of um you know I I do think that a lot of the posts you know on some of these the posts you know on some of these the posts you know on some of these Facebook pages on Reddit on you know Facebook pages on Reddit on you know Facebook pages on Reddit on you know Instagram things like that I think we Instagram things like that I think we Instagram things like that I think we are seeing a lot of the higher end are seeing a lot of the higher end are seeing a lot of the higher end things just because it's really good for things just because it's really good for things just because it's really good for social media and people want to share social media and people want to share social media and people want to share that kind of thing that kind of thing that kind of thing um I'd be interested to see all the um I'd be interested to see all the um I'd be interested to see all the saunas that aren't being shared saunas that aren't being shared saunas that aren't being shared yeah yeah yeah yeah I think I think there is a trend yeah I think I think there is a trend yeah I think I think there is a trend you know and I especially heard from you know and I especially heard from you know and I especially heard from businesses during covid people who are businesses during covid people who are businesses during covid people who are selling saunas that especially during selling saunas that especially during selling saunas that especially during covid there was a huge uptick
11:00covid there was a huge uptick covid there was a huge uptick um but I do see it in kind of in general um but I do see it in kind of in general um but I do see it in kind of in general um um it some more a little bit more of it some more a little bit more of it some more a little bit more of awareness and then I think in the social awareness and then I think in the social awareness and then I think in the social media groups you have people like Jeff media groups you have people like Jeff media groups you have people like Jeff and myself just kind of like all kind of and myself just kind of like all kind of and myself just kind of like all kind of coalescing together and that does you coalescing together and that does you coalescing together and that does you know once that Community comes together know once that Community comes together know once that Community comes together that inspires other people you know that that inspires other people you know that that inspires other people you know that also grows things also grows things also grows things um um and um you mentioned the coal Plunge and and um you mentioned the coal Plunge and and um you mentioned the coal Plunge and all the people that that we've sounded all the people that that we've sounded all the people that that we've sounded with I feel like every time I sound with with I feel like every time I sound with with I feel like every time I sound with someone I learned something from them someone I learned something from them someone I learned something from them and and and um I learned from you Jeff um I learned from you Jeff um I learned from you Jeff to to really like lean into that cold to to really like lean into that cold to to really like lean into that cold Plunge Plunge Plunge um it might have been the time when I um it might have been the time when I um it might have been the time when I sounded with you and my brother or it sounded with you and my brother or it sounded with you and my brother or it was Julie I can't remember who it was was Julie I can't remember who it was was Julie I can't remember who it was with but it was colder outside the cold with but it was colder outside the cold with but it was colder outside the cold plunge was pretty cold right and up to
12:00plunge was pretty cold right and up to plunge was pretty cold right and up to that point I think my cold plunges were that point I think my cold plunges were that point I think my cold plunges were like 20 seconds you know like I was in like 20 seconds you know like I was in like 20 seconds you know like I was in cold out you know pretty quick and then cold out you know pretty quick and then cold out you know pretty quick and then I saw you cold plunge and you're just I saw you cold plunge and you're just I saw you cold plunge and you're just like leaning back into it and I'm like like leaning back into it and I'm like like leaning back into it and I'm like he's in there for like three minutes he's in there for like three minutes he's in there for like three minutes yeah and that was pretty like yeah and that was pretty like yeah and that was pretty like revolutionary to me excuse me um I don't revolutionary to me excuse me um I don't revolutionary to me excuse me um I don't know I I that has been part of my know I I that has been part of my know I I that has been part of my routine is to really um routine is to really um routine is to really um to really try to get cold and to really try to get cold and to really try to get cold and um it it's great in fall and winter and um it it's great in fall and winter and um it it's great in fall and winter and spring spring spring In Summer with my tub here In Summer with my tub here In Summer with my tub here um I I sometimes would get bags of ice um I I sometimes would get bags of ice um I I sometimes would get bags of ice and put bags of ice and put bags of ice and put bags of ice into the cold tub just to get it colder into the cold tub just to get it colder into the cold tub just to get it colder but but but um I think it's really important to have um I think it's really important to have um I think it's really important to have that contrast that contrast that contrast we talked about sauna spins you know and we talked about sauna spins you know and we talked about sauna spins you know and I think we had a few of those when we uh
13:00I think we had a few of those when we uh I think we had a few of those when we uh we're really in the cold weather and the we're really in the cold weather and the we're really in the cold weather and the cold water right yeah yeah definitely it cold water right yeah yeah definitely it cold water right yeah yeah definitely it was very pronounced um yeah and then I well we lost oh here we go we lost you well we lost oh here we go we lost you for a second for a second for a second okay sorry but all all cold plunge even okay sorry but all all cold plunge even okay sorry but all all cold plunge even without a sauna you know like I've without a sauna you know like I've without a sauna you know like I've really come to to love that really come to to love that really come to to love that um um yeah yeah yeah that's interesting uh Jeffrey I yeah that's interesting uh Jeffrey I yeah that's interesting uh Jeffrey I mean Jeff and risto maybe for those that mean Jeff and risto maybe for those that mean Jeff and risto maybe for those that you know don't cold plunge um you know you know don't cold plunge um you know you know don't cold plunge um you know what what are you noticing what are some what what are you noticing what are some what what are you noticing what are some of the benefits that you're noticing of the benefits that you're noticing of the benefits that you're noticing personally personally personally I think it helps you um I think it helps you um I think it helps you um to stay to stay to stay comfortable in the hot room longer and comfortable in the hot room longer and comfortable in the hot room longer and um I think it um I think it um I think it uh it it just sort of awakens the whole uh it it just sort of awakens the whole uh it it just sort of awakens the whole experience you know um experience you know um experience you know um when you're I like to I like to go in when you're I like to I like to go in when you're I like to I like to go in the cold plunge you know and stay in it
14:00the cold plunge you know and stay in it the cold plunge you know and stay in it for a while and then sit outside I don't for a while and then sit outside I don't for a while and then sit outside I don't my sauna doesn't have a um my sauna doesn't have a um my sauna doesn't have a um um changing room but my changing room um changing room but my changing room um changing room but my changing room is really uh it's a deck that's between is really uh it's a deck that's between is really uh it's a deck that's between the sauna in my house and it's sort of a the sauna in my house and it's sort of a the sauna in my house and it's sort of a protected area on three sides protected area on three sides protected area on three sides and I just have some folding chairs that and I just have some folding chairs that and I just have some folding chairs that I sit outside after I get out of the I sit outside after I get out of the I sit outside after I get out of the cold plunge I sit outside for a while cold plunge I sit outside for a while cold plunge I sit outside for a while until I really get cold then I go back until I really get cold then I go back until I really get cold then I go back into the hot room and it's easier to you into the hot room and it's easier to you into the hot room and it's easier to you know sit there longer in a more know sit there longer in a more know sit there longer in a more pronounced you know higher heat pronounced you know higher heat pronounced you know higher heat environment and it just it just really environment and it just it just really environment and it just it just really feels great I mean your your whole body feels great I mean your your whole body feels great I mean your your whole body is kind of tingling and is kind of tingling and is kind of tingling and um it's it's a really great experience um it's it's a really great experience um it's it's a really great experience you know you know you know yeah I think that the cold plunge you yeah I think that the cold plunge you yeah I think that the cold plunge you know unlocks those like pretty wild know unlocks those like pretty wild know unlocks those like pretty wild soundness spins you know so you feel soundness spins you know so you feel soundness spins you know so you feel like you kind of the world around you
15:00like you kind of the world around you like you kind of the world around you got unzipped and you're kind of floating got unzipped and you're kind of floating got unzipped and you're kind of floating but without nausea but without nausea but without nausea um although I did have an instance a few um although I did have an instance a few um although I did have an instance a few months ago where I had um some like a months ago where I had um some like a months ago where I had um some like a drop in blood pressure so you do want to drop in blood pressure so you do want to drop in blood pressure so you do want to pay attention to your body pay attention to your body pay attention to your body um it is pretty intense and then if you um it is pretty intense and then if you um it is pretty intense and then if you need to dial things back a little bit need to dial things back a little bit need to dial things back a little bit like dial it back like dial it back like dial it back um um so so maybe start slow yeah yeah be so so maybe start slow yeah yeah be so so maybe start slow yeah yeah be careful you know and what I've noticed careful you know and what I've noticed careful you know and what I've noticed is is is um if I am in the hot room um if I am in the hot room um if I am in the hot room of course my pulse will be 120 beats per of course my pulse will be 120 beats per of course my pulse will be 120 beats per minute or something like that I go into minute or something like that I go into minute or something like that I go into the cold plunge especially in when it's the cold plunge especially in when it's the cold plunge especially in when it's very cold to say 40 degrees and fall or very cold to say 40 degrees and fall or very cold to say 40 degrees and fall or you know uh spring or winter and if I you know uh spring or winter and if I you know uh spring or winter and if I stay in the cold plunge for a certain stay in the cold plunge for a certain stay in the cold plunge for a certain period of time it'll get to the point period of time it'll get to the point period of time it'll get to the point where my pulse is 45 beats 40 beats per where my pulse is 45 beats 40 beats per where my pulse is 45 beats 40 beats per minute and I can see the actual water
16:00minute and I can see the actual water minute and I can see the actual water move With Every Beat of My Heart and move With Every Beat of My Heart and move With Every Beat of My Heart and then I get out then I get out then I get out and then sit outside and then sit outside and then sit outside it's a pretty and it's a pretty intense it's a pretty and it's a pretty intense it's a pretty and it's a pretty intense experience you know yeah that's that's experience you know yeah that's that's experience you know yeah that's that's extreme that's awesome I mean and it it extreme that's awesome I mean and it it extreme that's awesome I mean and it it if it feels good keep doing it right if it feels good keep doing it right if it feels good keep doing it right yeah yeah it's uh yeah yeah it's uh yeah yeah it's uh I do it almost every day I do it almost every day I do it almost every day um pretty pretty close to every day I um pretty pretty close to every day I um pretty pretty close to every day I miss a day once in a while but uh I miss a day once in a while but uh I miss a day once in a while but uh I enjoy it enjoy it enjoy it I think there's um you know to ask you a I think there's um you know to ask you a I think there's um you know to ask you a question we don't actually know for sure question we don't actually know for sure question we don't actually know for sure because most of the Sonic companies are because most of the Sonic companies are because most of the Sonic companies are so small that they don't have to uh so small that they don't have to uh so small that they don't have to uh announce their numbers but but we announce their numbers but but we announce their numbers but but we assumed that sauna sales doubled in assumed that sauna sales doubled in assumed that sauna sales doubled in North America during the pandemic but uh North America during the pandemic but uh North America during the pandemic but uh but now there's uh there's there's kind but now there's uh there's there's kind but now there's uh there's there's kind of there's a difference now uh of there's a difference now uh of there's a difference now uh what the people who are in the now they what the people who are in the now they what the people who are in the now they mostly like you do you speak about that mostly like you do you speak about that mostly like you do you speak about that contrast heat therapy many people don't
17:00contrast heat therapy many people don't contrast heat therapy many people don't do that because they don't necessarily do that because they don't necessarily do that because they don't necessarily know about that contrast hot and cold know about that contrast hot and cold know about that contrast hot and cold therapy and um and and just I know that therapy and um and and just I know that therapy and um and and just I know that this is a this is a uh so I and before I this is a this is a uh so I and before I this is a this is a uh so I and before I I go to the next topic but anyway so so I go to the next topic but anyway so so I go to the next topic but anyway so so a lot of sound is sold yes and but the a lot of sound is sold yes and but the a lot of sound is sold yes and but the but the hardcore of people who are in but the hardcore of people who are in but the hardcore of people who are in the know that that is also expanding but the know that that is also expanding but the know that that is also expanding but it's expanding slowly but there's a it's expanding slowly but there's a it's expanding slowly but there's a there's a clear Trend you know just like there's a clear Trend you know just like there's a clear Trend you know just like you know even here in the metropolitan you know even here in the metropolitan you know even here in the metropolitan New York area where I live you know New York area where I live you know New York area where I live you know they're like uh you know these big spas they're like uh you know these big spas they're like uh you know these big spas that are you know being built as we that are you know being built as we that are you know being built as we speak and the core of those spots are speak and the core of those spots are speak and the core of those spots are you know if you want to call it the you know if you want to call it the you know if you want to call it the Finnish style sauna so there's always a Finnish style sauna so there's always a Finnish style sauna so there's always a good sound of some somewhere and there good sound of some somewhere and there good sound of some somewhere and there also the code therapy to go with or also the code therapy to go with or also the code therapy to go with or different different different different flavors of the cold therapy different flavors of the cold therapy different flavors of the cold therapy just one question and I know this is a
18:00just one question and I know this is a just one question and I know this is a silly question but you said that you'd silly question but you said that you'd silly question but you said that you'd like to do the code because you can stay like to do the code because you can stay like to do the code because you can stay in the hot room longer so why would you in the hot room longer so why would you in the hot room longer so why would you want to do that want to do that want to do that uh I think it's it's just more of a uh I think it's it's just more of a uh I think it's it's just more of a penetrating heat where it you know it penetrating heat where it you know it penetrating heat where it you know it and sometimes and sometimes and sometimes I will come out of the cold sit in the I will come out of the cold sit in the I will come out of the cold sit in the hot hot hot and not I won't throw water on the Rocks and not I won't throw water on the Rocks and not I won't throw water on the Rocks right away and I just let my body right away and I just let my body right away and I just let my body gradually get gradually get gradually get warmer and warmer and warmer and warmer warmer and warmer and warmer and warmer warmer and warmer and warmer and warmer and that's some of the most enjoyable and that's some of the most enjoyable and that's some of the most enjoyable heat really that you can ever feel heat really that you can ever feel heat really that you can ever feel sometimes I'll I'll be cold and I'll sometimes I'll I'll be cold and I'll sometimes I'll I'll be cold and I'll throw the water on the stones right away throw the water on the stones right away throw the water on the stones right away but but I like to I like to just you know feel I like to I like to just you know feel I like to I like to just you know feel that change from cold to hot that change from cold to hot that change from cold to hot you know as your body warms up I it's you know as your body warms up I it's you know as your body warms up I it's just one of the most enjoyable things just one of the most enjoyable things just one of the most enjoyable things and you feel that you know tingling heat and you feel that you know tingling heat and you feel that you know tingling heat in your forehead and the tightening of in your forehead and the tightening of in your forehead and the tightening of your skin and your forehead it's just an
19:00your skin and your forehead it's just an your skin and your forehead it's just an amazing feel I mean it's just amazing amazing feel I mean it's just amazing amazing feel I mean it's just amazing really really really it's one of the most enjoyable things it's one of the most enjoyable things it's one of the most enjoyable things you know better than drugs yeah and I you know better than drugs yeah and I you know better than drugs yeah and I think the way the way that Jeff is is think the way the way that Jeff is is think the way the way that Jeff is is using sauna is different than like if using sauna is different than like if using sauna is different than like if you see on social media you see on social media you see on social media um especially like in the health crowd um especially like in the health crowd um especially like in the health crowd like if you're watching Joe Rogan or you like if you're watching Joe Rogan or you like if you're watching Joe Rogan or you know someone that's recommending doing know someone that's recommending doing know someone that's recommending doing sauna for health they might be in there sauna for health they might be in there sauna for health they might be in there in an exercise bike they might be in an exercise bike they might be in an exercise bike they might be exercising in the sauna or kind of exercising in the sauna or kind of exercising in the sauna or kind of pushing the cold plunge and you see pushing the cold plunge and you see pushing the cold plunge and you see people really kind of like like just people really kind of like like just people really kind of like like just really gritting and bearing through it really gritting and bearing through it really gritting and bearing through it like they're they're doing reps of like like they're they're doing reps of like like they're they're doing reps of like really heavy weight lifting really heavy weight lifting really heavy weight lifting but but when I sounded with Jeff and but but when I sounded with Jeff and but but when I sounded with Jeff and what I've you know seen in him and what I've you know seen in him and what I've you know seen in him and learned from him is this enjoyment or learned from him is this enjoyment or learned from him is this enjoyment or relaxing into it you know you're trying relaxing into it you know you're trying relaxing into it you know you're trying to get as much of the heat and cold as to get as much of the heat and cold as to get as much of the heat and cold as as you can because it's it is wonderful as you can because it's it is wonderful as you can because it's it is wonderful yeah and then you stay in until the idea
20:00yeah and then you stay in until the idea yeah and then you stay in until the idea of a cold plunge is the best possible of a cold plunge is the best possible of a cold plunge is the best possible thing you could possibly ever you know thing you could possibly ever you know thing you could possibly ever you know what experience you know when you get to what experience you know when you get to what experience you know when you get to the point where you the point where you the point where you really want to get cold you know you're really want to get cold you know you're really want to get cold you know you're in the hot room long enough you know and in the hot room long enough you know and in the hot room long enough you know and uh uh uh um it's uh it's hard to explain unless um it's uh it's hard to explain unless um it's uh it's hard to explain unless you've experienced it but you know I've you've experienced it but you know I've you've experienced it but you know I've noticed now uh there's going up to Lara noticed now uh there's going up to Lara noticed now uh there's going up to Lara spot and to the sauna event spot and to the sauna event spot and to the sauna event um up in Duluth north of Duluth um up in Duluth north of Duluth um up in Duluth north of Duluth there's kind of it I feel like there's there's kind of it I feel like there's there's kind of it I feel like there's some emerging some emerging some emerging sort of styles of sauna that sort of styles of sauna that sort of styles of sauna that one I would call uh one I would call uh one I would call uh more of a low and wet like a lower more of a low and wet like a lower more of a low and wet like a lower temperature like 160 170 temperature like 160 170 temperature like 160 170 but a higher you know Baseline humidity but a higher you know Baseline humidity but a higher you know Baseline humidity so you know where it's it the room is
21:00so you know where it's it the room is so you know where it's it the room is not as hot but it's a higher humidity not as hot but it's a higher humidity not as hot but it's a higher humidity and then pouring you know this the water and then pouring you know this the water and then pouring you know this the water on the stones it produces like uh almost on the stones it produces like uh almost on the stones it produces like uh almost a delayed uh a delayed uh a delayed uh effect where you can feel the steam like effect where you can feel the steam like effect where you can feel the steam like it takes a second or two and then the it takes a second or two and then the it takes a second or two and then the steam really hits you like with an icky steam really hits you like with an icky steam really hits you like with an icky stove or you know me I haven't tried a stove or you know me I haven't tried a stove or you know me I haven't tried a home but uh you know with these Rock home but uh you know with these Rock home but uh you know with these Rock Tower stoves and it's it's a very Tower stoves and it's it's a very Tower stoves and it's it's a very interesting interesting interesting sort of contrast and sort of contrast and sort of contrast and what I like and enjoy what I practice is what I like and enjoy what I practice is what I like and enjoy what I practice is what I call more of a high-end dry where what I call more of a high-end dry where what I call more of a high-end dry where I'm at a higher temperature like 210 to I'm at a higher temperature like 210 to I'm at a higher temperature like 210 to 220 Fahrenheit 220 Fahrenheit 220 Fahrenheit and it's the Baseline is not a high and it's the Baseline is not a high and it's the Baseline is not a high humidity until you pour water on the humidity until you pour water on the humidity until you pour water on the stones and then you get the you know the stones and then you get the you know the stones and then you get the you know the humidity so it's just just different humidity so it's just just different humidity so it's just just different styles I'm one is not better or
22:00styles I'm one is not better or styles I'm one is not better or necessarily worse than the other it's necessarily worse than the other it's necessarily worse than the other it's personal preference I think that people personal preference I think that people personal preference I think that people you know enjoy and it was interesting to you know enjoy and it was interesting to you know enjoy and it was interesting to try some of the different saunas at Lars try some of the different saunas at Lars try some of the different saunas at Lars Mont and I missed you there I know you Mont and I missed you there I know you Mont and I missed you there I know you were there Sunday and I had to leave but were there Sunday and I had to leave but were there Sunday and I had to leave but did you get to try any of the saunas did you get to try any of the saunas did you get to try any of the saunas Christopher or I didn't we just met some Christopher or I didn't we just met some Christopher or I didn't we just met some folks and had breakfast for them I get folks and had breakfast for them I get folks and had breakfast for them I get to see my online friend Grant but my to see my online friend Grant but my to see my online friend Grant but my brother was there and I get to use a brother was there and I get to use a brother was there and I get to use a couple of them yeah but I did get to couple of them yeah but I did get to couple of them yeah but I did get to peek inside that was fun yeah peek inside that was fun yeah peek inside that was fun yeah no I I tried uh one of the uh saunas no I I tried uh one of the uh saunas no I I tried uh one of the uh saunas with the icky stove that was Eric with the icky stove that was Eric with the icky stove that was Eric bongard's uh mobile sauna and it was bongard's uh mobile sauna and it was bongard's uh mobile sauna and it was very interesting very interesting you very interesting very interesting you very interesting very interesting you know like just a different style you know like just a different style you know like just a different style you know that I hadn't experienced and I know that I hadn't experienced and I know that I hadn't experienced and I enjoyed it enjoyed it enjoyed it so you know it's uh so you know it's uh so you know it's uh different sort of different different sort of different different sort of different Strokes for different folks I guess you Strokes for different folks I guess you Strokes for different folks I guess you know but
23:00know but know but yeah sorry I think even like sorry I think even like for myself it might vary from round to for myself it might vary from round to for myself it might vary from round to round you know like there might be a round you know like there might be a round you know like there might be a round where I just want round where I just want round where I just want just just to relax in the heat not just just to relax in the heat not just just to relax in the heat not really put tons of Steam on and then really put tons of Steam on and then really put tons of Steam on and then there might be around usually later into there might be around usually later into there might be around usually later into my sauna rounds where I just want to my sauna rounds where I just want to my sauna rounds where I just want to destroy my self-esteem destroy my self-esteem destroy my self-esteem um so you know it might depend on the um so you know it might depend on the um so you know it might depend on the day it might depend on the round all day it might depend on the round all day it might depend on the round all kinds of different variables right kinds of different variables right kinds of different variables right no and and sometimes you know with I no and and sometimes you know with I no and and sometimes you know with I have a Kuma stove so have a Kuma stove so have a Kuma stove so sometimes I'll just shut the intake sometimes I'll just shut the intake sometimes I'll just shut the intake after it's fully heated up I'll shut the after it's fully heated up I'll shut the after it's fully heated up I'll shut the intake off and I'll I'll close the intake off and I'll I'll close the intake off and I'll I'll close the damper on the stove completely damper on the stove completely damper on the stove completely so there's no longer like you know a so there's no longer like you know a so there's no longer like you know a fire you know like the fire is kind of fire you know like the fire is kind of fire you know like the fire is kind of dying down and just sort of you know on dying down and just sort of you know on dying down and just sort of you know on the downside and I enjoy more of that
24:00the downside and I enjoy more of that the downside and I enjoy more of that you know higher you know Baseline you know higher you know Baseline you know higher you know Baseline humidity humidity humidity uh versus you know a higher dry uh versus you know a higher dry uh versus you know a higher dry temperature but yeah I do prefer the temperature but yeah I do prefer the temperature but yeah I do prefer the high dry myself I call it high and dry high dry myself I call it high and dry high dry myself I call it high and dry so I'm like so I'm like so I'm like you know kind of differentiating the you know kind of differentiating the you know kind of differentiating the high end dry from the more high end dry from the more high end dry from the more low you know low and high humidity or low you know low and high humidity or low you know low and high humidity or low and wet you know so yeah absolutely low and wet you know so yeah absolutely low and wet you know so yeah absolutely yeah I think I would probably fall in yeah I think I would probably fall in yeah I think I would probably fall in line with probably that high and dry line with probably that high and dry line with probably that high and dry Community myself and and maybe that's a Community myself and and maybe that's a Community myself and and maybe that's a wood burning thing wood burning thing wood burning thing yeah I mean the you know the the sauna yeah I mean the you know the the sauna yeah I mean the you know the the sauna that I was in was a icky wood burner and that I was in was a icky wood burner and that I was in was a icky wood burner and um but you know it was just always at a um but you know it was just always at a um but you know it was just always at a low like 160 170 temperature low like 160 170 temperature low like 160 170 temperature and you sort of get addicted to pouring and you sort of get addicted to pouring and you sort of get addicted to pouring water on the Stones you know you CA it's water on the Stones you know you CA it's water on the Stones you know you CA it's it's like you find yourself it's like you find yourself it's like you find yourself you know pouring how do you say it Euro
25:00you're pouring low on the stones like you're pouring low on the stones like over and over and over again because you over and over and over again because you over and over and over again because you you want that wave of heat you know you you want that wave of heat you know you you want that wave of heat you know you you could you know want to feel that you could you know want to feel that you could you know want to feel that wave of heat come over your body and sorry but sorry but yeah no that's that's uh that's I I yeah no that's that's uh that's I I yeah no that's that's uh that's I I agree with you and and it's kind of agree with you and and it's kind of agree with you and and it's kind of interesting because I've I've um I've interesting because I've I've um I've interesting because I've I've um I've said this many times over but I've been said this many times over but I've been said this many times over but I've been in this country for 25 years and uh and in this country for 25 years and uh and in this country for 25 years and uh and for some reason I don't know I missed for some reason I don't know I missed for some reason I don't know I missed those open sides haters completely while those open sides haters completely while those open sides haters completely while being back in home back back home in being back in home back back home in being back in home back back home in Finland and um and it was kind of an Finland and um and it was kind of an Finland and um and it was kind of an interesting process because I started interesting process because I started interesting process because I started going uh celebrating with this group of going uh celebrating with this group of going uh celebrating with this group of people and uh and there was an open people and uh and there was an open people and uh and there was an open sides sides sides um stove um stove um stove and uh and this was like I've been going and uh and this was like I've been going and uh and this was like I've been going with the same gang for about more than with the same gang for about more than with the same gang for about more than 10 years now and and many of the guys 10 years now and and many of the guys 10 years now and and many of the guys were new to sauna when we started this
26:00were new to sauna when we started this were new to sauna when we started this thing so we didn't push it and so the so thing so we didn't push it and so the so thing so we didn't push it and so the so the the heat was a bit lower and uh and the the heat was a bit lower and uh and the the heat was a bit lower and uh and it was clearly more humid that I was you it was clearly more humid that I was you it was clearly more humid that I was you know accustomed to so it was kind of an know accustomed to so it was kind of an know accustomed to so it was kind of an interesting thing I don't know if you if interesting thing I don't know if you if interesting thing I don't know if you if you really push you know open the side you really push you know open the side you really push you know open the side theater and and and like we all agreed theater and and and like we all agreed theater and and and like we all agreed here it's just like you know it it's a here it's just like you know it it's a here it's just like you know it it's a different different feel it's it's not different different feel it's it's not different different feel it's it's not worse it's not better but it's just it's worse it's not better but it's just it's worse it's not better but it's just it's just a little bit different but I just a little bit different but I just a little bit different but I clearly come from the old school you clearly come from the old school you clearly come from the old school you know it's like close sides and uh and uh know it's like close sides and uh and uh know it's like close sides and uh and uh button hot and dry kind of a kind of button hot and dry kind of a kind of button hot and dry kind of a kind of abroad and uh and I I can't like uh you abroad and uh and I I can't like uh you abroad and uh and I I can't like uh you know in my little world it's like access know in my little world it's like access know in my little world it's like access to Outdoors is a must you know if you to Outdoors is a must you know if you to Outdoors is a must you know if you know if there's a I can live without the know if there's a I can live without the know if there's a I can live without the cold planche I can easily without the cold planche I can easily without the cold planche I can easily without the coal plants but I need a cold shower and coal plants but I need a cold shower and coal plants but I need a cold shower and access to outdoors and I'm fine right access to outdoors and I'm fine right access to outdoors and I'm fine right yeah at least a cold shower yeah you yeah at least a cold shower yeah you yeah at least a cold shower yeah you know
27:00know and uh or a roll in the snow and uh or a roll in the snow and uh or a roll in the snow yeah that is cold there you go please go yeah that is cold there you go please go yeah that is cold there you go please go it can't get colder than that well at it can't get colder than that well at it can't get colder than that well at least in my world that's when you that's least in my world that's when you that's least in my world that's when you that's when you see the skin get red on your when you see the skin get red on your when you see the skin get red on your body you know and body you know and body you know and that's pretty fun that's pretty fun that's pretty fun fresh Snow Yeah and Jeff your your place fresh Snow Yeah and Jeff your your place fresh Snow Yeah and Jeff your your place at the lake I'm trying to remember I at the lake I'm trying to remember I at the lake I'm trying to remember I don't think we ever did this but I saw don't think we ever did this but I saw don't think we ever did this but I saw pictures of you doing this and I I'd pictures of you doing this and I I'd pictures of you doing this and I I'd like for us to talk about this like for us to talk about this like for us to talk about this um you'll even cold plunge during the um you'll even cold plunge during the um you'll even cold plunge during the winter right I'd like to hear about how winter right I'd like to hear about how winter right I'd like to hear about how you do that yeah um so our our peer will you do that yeah um so our our peer will you do that yeah um so our our peer will stay in all winter we're just in an area stay in all winter we're just in an area stay in all winter we're just in an area where there's not a lot of currents that where there's not a lot of currents that where there's not a lot of currents that can move you know the pier around when can move you know the pier around when can move you know the pier around when the water freezes so this the pier stays the water freezes so this the pier stays the water freezes so this the pier stays in all winter and so um I you know we in all winter and so um I you know we in all winter and so um I you know we our neighbors started cutting a hole in our neighbors started cutting a hole in our neighbors started cutting a hole in the ice years and years ago and um
28:00the ice years and years ago and um the ice years and years ago and um and I started to do it I originally used and I started to do it I originally used and I started to do it I originally used a chainsaw I didn't like the way the oil a chainsaw I didn't like the way the oil a chainsaw I didn't like the way the oil from the chainsaw would get into the from the chainsaw would get into the from the chainsaw would get into the water you know when you cut uh you know water you know when you cut uh you know water you know when you cut uh you know Avant or the hole in the ice Avant or the hole in the ice Avant or the hole in the ice so I got a so I got a so I got a a hand auger a hand auger a hand auger and what I do now in a ice finish I saw and what I do now in a ice finish I saw and what I do now in a ice finish I saw that's a big you know saw hand saw and I that's a big you know saw hand saw and I that's a big you know saw hand saw and I cut four cut four cut four uh holes in the ice and then I just go uh holes in the ice and then I just go uh holes in the ice and then I just go from hole to hole with the ice saw and from hole to hole with the ice saw and from hole to hole with the ice saw and then you push the ice then you push the ice then you push the ice you know the from the hole under you know the from the hole under you know the from the hole under you know you have to push it down so it you know you have to push it down so it you know you have to push it down so it floats under the rest of the ice and it floats under the rest of the ice and it floats under the rest of the ice and it opens up the hole and I put my I put my opens up the hole and I put my I put my opens up the hole and I put my I put my ladder for my Pier right into the hole ladder for my Pier right into the hole ladder for my Pier right into the hole and and I mean water can only be so cold right I mean water can only be so cold right I mean water can only be so cold right it's 32 degrees is the freezing point of
29:00it's 32 degrees is the freezing point of it's 32 degrees is the freezing point of water so people think it's crazy but water so people think it's crazy but water so people think it's crazy but it's really it's really it's really it's no more colder than if it were uh it's no more colder than if it were uh it's no more colder than if it were uh you know really really cold all day you know really really cold all day you know really really cold all day and it's it's really uh probably the and it's it's really uh probably the and it's it's really uh probably the best experience best experience best experience is uh when it's in the middle of winter is uh when it's in the middle of winter is uh when it's in the middle of winter and maybe you know zero or below zero and maybe you know zero or below zero and maybe you know zero or below zero and uh you're coming out of a 200 degree and uh you're coming out of a 200 degree and uh you're coming out of a 200 degree room and going into a hole in the ice room and going into a hole in the ice room and going into a hole in the ice one of my favorite things to do one of my favorite things to do one of my favorite things to do how long does it take to prepare that how long does it take to prepare that how long does it take to prepare that hole hole hole oh maybe you know depending on how thick oh maybe you know depending on how thick oh maybe you know depending on how thick the ice is it's 20 minutes 30 minutes the ice is it's 20 minutes 30 minutes the ice is it's 20 minutes 30 minutes that's a good way to warm up before a that's a good way to warm up before a that's a good way to warm up before a sauna and then Jeff do you cut all of your own and then Jeff do you cut all of your own um local wood or do you you know do you um local wood or do you you know do you um local wood or do you you know do you bring in a couple loads of it when bring in a couple loads of it when bring in a couple loads of it when you're running low or you're running low or you're running low or um my son is uh we bought a log splitter um my son is uh we bought a log splitter um my son is uh we bought a log splitter and we have all of this Dead Ash around
30:00and we have all of this Dead Ash around and we have all of this Dead Ash around Wisconsin now all the ash trees died Wisconsin now all the ash trees died Wisconsin now all the ash trees died from the emerald ash borer yep so the from the emerald ash borer yep so the from the emerald ash borer yep so the trees are standing they've been dead for trees are standing they've been dead for trees are standing they've been dead for a couple years they're already seasoned a couple years they're already seasoned a couple years they're already seasoned and they're everywhere they're basically and they're everywhere they're basically and they're everywhere they're basically free for the taking if you want to take free for the taking if you want to take free for the taking if you want to take away Ash logs away Ash logs away Ash logs and so we my son's been cutting wood he and so we my son's been cutting wood he and so we my son's been cutting wood he just brought me a trailer load today just brought me a trailer load today just brought me a trailer load today that a couple of face cords that we just that a couple of face cords that we just that a couple of face cords that we just uh stacked uh stacked uh stacked he stacked he stacked he stacked for me he's a good son but yeah so for me he's a good son but yeah so for me he's a good son but yeah so that's what I've been burning Ash and it that's what I've been burning Ash and it that's what I've been burning Ash and it burns really well I mean it burns like burns really well I mean it burns like burns really well I mean it burns like Oak it's it burns pretty uh long and Oak it's it burns pretty uh long and Oak it's it burns pretty uh long and um it it has a lot of BTUs in the woods um it it has a lot of BTUs in the woods um it it has a lot of BTUs in the woods so that's that's been good so that's that's been good so that's that's been good excellent
31:00that um that experience about you know that um that experience about you know cutting a hole in the ice and then as as cutting a hole in the ice and then as as cutting a hole in the ice and then as as you said so rightfully you know or you said so rightfully you know or you said so rightfully you know or pronounce it also write that Avant that pronounce it also write that Avant that pronounce it also write that Avant that comes from you know the hole in the eyes comes from you know the hole in the eyes comes from you know the hole in the eyes you plunge into and that stuff for some you plunge into and that stuff for some you plunge into and that stuff for some of our listeners or viewers that might of our listeners or viewers that might of our listeners or viewers that might sound a little extreme you know and I'm sound a little extreme you know and I'm sound a little extreme you know and I'm I'm like I'm always I'm constantly I'm like I'm always I'm constantly I'm like I'm always I'm constantly afraid that that when people when they afraid that that when people when they afraid that that when people when they listen or watch us that that this is listen or watch us that that this is listen or watch us that that this is like so extreme stuff that they just like so extreme stuff that they just like so extreme stuff that they just want to stay away and uh and but but at want to stay away and uh and but but at want to stay away and uh and but but at the same time obviously I guess we don't the same time obviously I guess we don't the same time obviously I guess we don't want everybody to do that same thing but want everybody to do that same thing but want everybody to do that same thing but we would love everybody to feel the same we would love everybody to feel the same we would love everybody to feel the same as we do when we do that but but somehow as we do when we do that but but somehow as we do when we do that but but somehow to to be able to gimmick that experience to to be able to gimmick that experience to to be able to gimmick that experience because you know where I'm from you know because you know where I'm from you know because you know where I'm from you know my my my original homies in Helsinki my my my original homies in Helsinki my my my original homies in Helsinki Finland and now I'm here in New York and Finland and now I'm here in New York and Finland and now I'm here in New York and there's no place where I can start there's no place where I can start there's no place where I can start cutting holes anytime soon
32:00cutting holes anytime soon cutting holes anytime soon so so what what can we if they say any so so what what can we if they say any so so what what can we if they say any advice that we can give to people about advice that we can give to people about advice that we can give to people about you know how to mimic that uh you know how to mimic that uh you know how to mimic that uh this thing is like we already mentioned this thing is like we already mentioned this thing is like we already mentioned cold shower but but like how do we go cold shower but but like how do we go cold shower but but like how do we go about telling people this contrast heat about telling people this contrast heat about telling people this contrast heat therapy experience and how it's like therapy experience and how it's like therapy experience and how it's like better than maybe the one and done better than maybe the one and done better than maybe the one and done people that that we've you know been people that that we've you know been people that that we've you know been talking about here before talking about here before talking about here before but I I think the simplest thing you can but I I think the simplest thing you can but I I think the simplest thing you can do is go to your local do is go to your local do is go to your local um we have in the midwest here Fleet um we have in the midwest here Fleet um we have in the midwest here Fleet Farm Farm and Fleet Tractor Supply and Farm Farm and Fleet Tractor Supply and Farm Farm and Fleet Tractor Supply and they all sell these these either plastic they all sell these these either plastic they all sell these these either plastic or galvanized steel tubs and you can buy or galvanized steel tubs and you can buy or galvanized steel tubs and you can buy one of those for a little over a hundred one of those for a little over a hundred one of those for a little over a hundred dollars dollars dollars and make a a simple cover for it I made and make a a simple cover for it I made and make a a simple cover for it I made us just a cover for mine not a cedar us just a cover for mine not a cedar us just a cover for mine not a cedar and I put a little and I put a little and I put a little petcock on the uh drain on mine so I can
33:00petcock on the uh drain on mine so I can petcock on the uh drain on mine so I can turn the petcock and drain it whenever I turn the petcock and drain it whenever I turn the petcock and drain it whenever I want and then what I did was um want and then what I did was um want and then what I did was um near my cold tub I installed a frost near my cold tub I installed a frost near my cold tub I installed a frost free free free hose bib hose bib hose bib and it it doesn't freeze in the winter and it it doesn't freeze in the winter and it it doesn't freeze in the winter and if you use you can either use a and if you use you can either use a and if you use you can either use a heated hose or you can use a short I heated hose or you can use a short I heated hose or you can use a short I have a like a 12 foot rubber hose If it have a like a 12 foot rubber hose If it have a like a 12 foot rubber hose If it freezes up while the sound is heating up freezes up while the sound is heating up freezes up while the sound is heating up I just throw in the sauna and it there's I just throw in the sauna and it there's I just throw in the sauna and it there's there's no longer any ice in it and I there's no longer any ice in it and I there's no longer any ice in it and I feel I refill it every in the in the feel I refill it every in the in the feel I refill it every in the in the winter every week or two I'll drain it winter every week or two I'll drain it winter every week or two I'll drain it and refill it because you know it stays and refill it because you know it stays and refill it because you know it stays so cold in the summer probably every so cold in the summer probably every so cold in the summer probably every couple days I'll drain it and refill it couple days I'll drain it and refill it couple days I'll drain it and refill it but you you can keep it from freezing in but you you can keep it from freezing in but you you can keep it from freezing in the winter with a stock tank heater it's the winter with a stock tank heater it's the winter with a stock tank heater it's about about about 25-35 bucks you plug it in you put it in 25-35 bucks you plug it in you put it in 25-35 bucks you plug it in you put it in the in the cold tub the in the cold tub
34:00the in the cold tub and it won't freeze over the winter and it won't freeze over the winter and it won't freeze over the winter unless you're really an extreme you know unless you're really an extreme you know unless you're really an extreme you know 30 below zero climate but you know it 30 below zero climate but you know it 30 below zero climate but you know it gets 10 below here and mine stays open gets 10 below here and mine stays open gets 10 below here and mine stays open all winter long so it sounds silly to go all winter long so it sounds silly to go all winter long so it sounds silly to go out and out and out and 10 degree weather and get into a 32 or 10 degree weather and get into a 32 or 10 degree weather and get into a 32 or 35 degree cold plunge but 35 degree cold plunge but 35 degree cold plunge but it actually that water it actually that water it actually that water because it you know it envelops your because it you know it envelops your because it you know it envelops your body body body completely it it cools you down so completely it it cools you down so completely it it cools you down so quickly and it it really quickly and it it really quickly and it it really uh sort of penetrates you know your uh sort of penetrates you know your uh sort of penetrates you know your bones with it cold that you want to you bones with it cold that you want to you bones with it cold that you want to you know cool down Between Coke you know know cool down Between Coke you know know cool down Between Coke you know between the hot room so go ahead oh yeah I mean the more and so go ahead oh yeah I mean the more and more we talk about cold plunge I more we talk about cold plunge I more we talk about cold plunge I definitely got to get uh at least a DIY definitely got to get uh at least a DIY definitely got to get uh at least a DIY one set up because I mean the the the one set up because I mean the the the one set up because I mean the the the hose you know can only do so much
35:00hose you know can only do so much hose you know can only do so much so yeah I I think uh I think a stock so yeah I I think uh I think a stock so yeah I I think uh I think a stock tank and maybe a little tank and maybe a little tank and maybe a little um platform setup and a lid um platform setup and a lid um platform setup and a lid um now down in South Carolina um now down in South Carolina um now down in South Carolina um luckily I've got a big chest freezer um luckily I've got a big chest freezer um luckily I've got a big chest freezer that I'll probably end up you know that I'll probably end up you know that I'll probably end up you know freezing a bunch of like one gallon jugs freezing a bunch of like one gallon jugs freezing a bunch of like one gallon jugs of water with you know maybe it you know of water with you know maybe it you know of water with you know maybe it you know half a dozen of those half a dozen of those half a dozen of those um throw that in there and see what kind um throw that in there and see what kind um throw that in there and see what kind of temperatures I can get down to of temperatures I can get down to of temperatures I can get down to um and you know I've seen a lot of um and you know I've seen a lot of um and you know I've seen a lot of things on the DIY crowd Community with things on the DIY crowd Community with things on the DIY crowd Community with the cold plunge and they're you know the cold plunge and they're you know the cold plunge and they're you know they're the they're building the base they're the they're building the base they're the they're building the base and then they're you know insulating and then they're you know insulating and then they're you know insulating That Base so they're kind of creating That Base so they're kind of creating That Base so they're kind of creating somewhat of a cooler effect somewhat of a cooler effect somewhat of a cooler effect um we'll see what we can get down to um we'll see what we can get down to um we'll see what we can get down to yeah they're yeah they're yeah they're there are people that are using there are people that are using there are people that are using they're converting chest freezers to they're converting chest freezers to they're converting chest freezers to cold plunges now it's become popular and cold plunges now it's become popular and cold plunges now it's become popular and I don't know much about it but I know I don't know much about it but I know I don't know much about it but I know there's a lot of online material where
36:00there's a lot of online material where there's a lot of online material where people are using these big chest people are using these big chest people are using these big chest freezers as cold plunges freezers as cold plunges freezers as cold plunges yeah it's just wild where there's will yeah it's just wild where there's will yeah it's just wild where there's will there's a way I guess there's a way I guess there's a way I guess yeah so what's the uh now we've yeah so what's the uh now we've yeah so what's the uh now we've mentioned or you mentioned that that you mentioned or you mentioned that that you mentioned or you mentioned that that you depending on how busy you are you sound depending on how busy you are you sound depending on how busy you are you sound a bit almost daily right that that's a bit almost daily right that that's a bit almost daily right that that's like the or every evening so what's your like the or every evening so what's your like the or every evening so what's your sound of routine so it's like we sound of routine so it's like we sound of routine so it's like we mentioned you the color punch still hot mentioned you the color punch still hot mentioned you the color punch still hot and what else is involved with your son and what else is involved with your son and what else is involved with your son yeah so I I typically uh yeah so I I typically uh yeah so I I typically uh I will stuff the stove with wood you I will stuff the stove with wood you I will stuff the stove with wood you know I I know I I know I I when I start my fire when I start my fire when I start my fire I use these fat wood sticks they're I use these fat wood sticks they're I use these fat wood sticks they're Pines like stump wood from pine trees Pines like stump wood from pine trees Pines like stump wood from pine trees they're saturated with uh Pine they're saturated with uh Pine they're saturated with uh Pine and I use a map torch and I use a map torch and I use a map torch it's a yellow uh it's a yellow uh it's a yellow uh you know bottle and you press a button you know bottle and you press a button you know bottle and you press a button and this thing's a blow torch and I just
37:00and this thing's a blow torch and I just and this thing's a blow torch and I just start these fat wood sticks I stuff it start these fat wood sticks I stuff it start these fat wood sticks I stuff it with wood and an hour and a half later with wood and an hour and a half later with wood and an hour and a half later it's about 180 degrees it's about 180 degrees it's about 180 degrees I throw about three or four more uh I throw about three or four more uh I throw about three or four more uh pieces of wood in before I go in pieces of wood in before I go in pieces of wood in before I go in and when I go in It's 190 200 degrees and when I go in It's 190 200 degrees and when I go in It's 190 200 degrees and I shut down the stove damper to and I shut down the stove damper to and I shut down the stove damper to about a quarter one third open and I about a quarter one third open and I about a quarter one third open and I shut down the chimney damper so it's shut down the chimney damper so it's shut down the chimney damper so it's maybe a quarter open maybe a quarter open maybe a quarter open and I go in for about and I go in for about and I go in for about if it's if it's if the room is pretty if it's if it's if the room is pretty if it's if it's if the room is pretty hot before I go in like sometimes it'll hot before I go in like sometimes it'll hot before I go in like sometimes it'll be 210 or something before I go in I'll be 210 or something before I go in I'll be 210 or something before I go in I'll dip in the cold plunge first dip in the cold plunge first dip in the cold plunge first before I sit on the benches because the before I sit on the benches because the before I sit on the benches because the benches might be a little hot benches might be a little hot benches might be a little hot but then I'll stay in there for about 15 but then I'll stay in there for about 15 but then I'll stay in there for about 15 minutes minutes minutes and I I probably pour water on the Rocks and I I probably pour water on the Rocks and I I probably pour water on the Rocks maybe two or three times during a 15 maybe two or three times during a 15 maybe two or three times during a 15 minute
38:00minute minute and it this is not like and it this is not like and it this is not like a rule or something you know or I have a a rule or something you know or I have a a rule or something you know or I have a clock on the wall it just because clock on the wall it just because clock on the wall it just because however I you know Stan is however you however I you know Stan is however you however I you know Stan is however you know as I feel know as I feel know as I feel but uh but uh but uh I will yeah maybe pour two or three I will yeah maybe pour two or three I will yeah maybe pour two or three ladles of water during a 15 10 15 minute ladles of water during a 15 10 15 minute ladles of water during a 15 10 15 minute session and then I go out get in the session and then I go out get in the session and then I go out get in the cold plunge cold plunge cold plunge sit outside in the cold air for a while sit outside in the cold air for a while sit outside in the cold air for a while till I'm cold and then go back in and do till I'm cold and then go back in and do till I'm cold and then go back in and do another 10 to 15 minute you know round another 10 to 15 minute you know round another 10 to 15 minute you know round in the hot room in the hot room in the hot room and repeat and repeat and do it about and repeat and repeat and do it about and repeat and repeat and do it about four or five six times depending on how four or five six times depending on how four or five six times depending on how I feel I feel I feel that's my routine pretty much that's my routine pretty much that's my routine pretty much and now Jeff you know I think Arrow and now Jeff you know I think Arrow and now Jeff you know I think Arrow talked about this you know some of our talked about this you know some of our talked about this you know some of our listeners might think hey that's you listeners might think hey that's you listeners might think hey that's you know that's extreme you know that's know that's extreme you know that's know that's extreme you know that's crazy what uh you know why would you crazy what uh you know why would you crazy what uh you know why would you want to go from hot to cold hot to cold want to go from hot to cold hot to cold want to go from hot to cold hot to cold you know that many times Jeff if you had
39:00you know that many times Jeff if you had you know that many times Jeff if you had like a like an elevator pitch if you had like a like an elevator pitch if you had like a like an elevator pitch if you had to tell somebody hey this is why I do to tell somebody hey this is why I do to tell somebody hey this is why I do these things you know and maybe a these things you know and maybe a these things you know and maybe a concise you know short you know maybe concise you know short you know maybe concise you know short you know maybe maybe it's your motto maybe it's your maybe it's your motto maybe it's your maybe it's your motto maybe it's your your pitch how would you how would you your pitch how would you how would you your pitch how would you how would you maybe convince a stranger hey this is maybe convince a stranger hey this is maybe convince a stranger hey this is what I do and this is why it's great what I do and this is why it's great what I do and this is why it's great I you know I do it I you know I do it I you know I do it to be honest uh just to lower my level to be honest uh just to lower my level to be honest uh just to lower my level of you know of anxiety for my mental of you know of anxiety for my mental of you know of anxiety for my mental health health health just for the calmness the peace just for the calmness the peace just for the calmness the peace you know the buzz you know the buzz you know the buzz um it um it um it it basically uh is a way to really it basically uh is a way to really it basically uh is a way to really reduce your stress reduce your anxiety reduce your stress reduce your anxiety reduce your stress reduce your anxiety and if it means and if it means and if it means better physical health that's great better physical health that's great better physical health that's great but but for me it's it's really about just for me it's it's really about just for me it's it's really about just relaxing relaxing relaxing and really you know taking away any and really you know taking away any and really you know taking away any stress any worry any anxiety stress any worry any anxiety stress any worry any anxiety and I think that's wonderful I I
40:00and I think that's wonderful I I and I think that's wonderful I I completely agree with you Jeff I I think completely agree with you Jeff I I think completely agree with you Jeff I I think that's one of the biggest maybe most that's one of the biggest maybe most that's one of the biggest maybe most overlooked benefits of sauna is is the overlooked benefits of sauna is is the overlooked benefits of sauna is is the you know just that relaxation mental you know just that relaxation mental you know just that relaxation mental health aspect of of just being able to health aspect of of just being able to health aspect of of just being able to kind of Disconnect and do something that kind of Disconnect and do something that kind of Disconnect and do something that feels good that you want to be doing feels good that you want to be doing feels good that you want to be doing that maybe doesn't have to have a lot of that maybe doesn't have to have a lot of that maybe doesn't have to have a lot of responsibilities tied to it yeah yeah mostly by yourself or with your family mostly by yourself or with your family or do you invite your buddies over well or do you invite your buddies over well or do you invite your buddies over well so it it's probably different so it it's probably different so it it's probably different um in this in this spring summer you um in this in this spring summer you um in this in this spring summer you know uh fall a little bit know uh fall a little bit know uh fall a little bit when we're at our Lake home it's more when we're at our Lake home it's more when we're at our Lake home it's more social social social and so it's guests friends relatives and so it's guests friends relatives and so it's guests friends relatives family family family but during the week at home it's pretty but during the week at home it's pretty but during the week at home it's pretty much me you know it's just pretty much much me you know it's just pretty much much me you know it's just pretty much just me
41:00just me just me once in a while my uh one of my sons once in a while my uh one of my sons once in a while my uh one of my sons will join me but uh will join me but uh will join me but uh during the week it's it's mostly solo during the week it's it's mostly solo during the week it's it's mostly solo and and every now and again weird and and every now and again weird and and every now and again weird strangers from out of town so yeah and strangers from out of town so yeah and strangers from out of town so yeah and and I won't I won't go too far into that and I won't I won't go too far into that and I won't I won't go too far into that story I'm gonna on purpose hold back story I'm gonna on purpose hold back story I'm gonna on purpose hold back Shameless plug that we're planning our Shameless plug that we're planning our Shameless plug that we're planning our family sauna podcast so so we need part family sauna podcast so so we need part family sauna podcast so so we need part two of this interview for that where I two of this interview for that where I two of this interview for that where I tell our story of meeting jeff which you tell our story of meeting jeff which you tell our story of meeting jeff which you know he he's the poster child for a know he he's the poster child for a know he he's the poster child for a sauna Ambassador and an amazing sauna sauna Ambassador and an amazing sauna sauna Ambassador and an amazing sauna host yeah no no and everyone's always host yeah no no and everyone's always host yeah no no and everyone's always welcome to my son and welcome to my son and welcome to my son and um you know we've I don't know Kev um you know we've I don't know Kev um you know we've I don't know Kev Connell if people know him Kev has come Connell if people know him Kev has come Connell if people know him Kev has come up to sauna with me um Glenn Auerbach up to sauna with me um Glenn Auerbach up to sauna with me um Glenn Auerbach you know from Sound of times he's you know from Sound of times he's you know from Sound of times he's probably sounded at my house six seven probably sounded at my house six seven probably sounded at my house six seven times and you know he literally will if times and you know he literally will if times and you know he literally will if he's in town for business
42:00he's in town for business he's in town for business if even if I'm not at home he'll get the if even if I'm not at home he'll get the if even if I'm not at home he'll get the thing hot before I even get home and you thing hot before I even get home and you thing hot before I even get home and you know whatever I mean just me sauna is know whatever I mean just me sauna is know whatever I mean just me sauna is wonderful so anybody that uh is in the we're 20 so anybody that uh is in the we're 20 miles or so north of Milwaukee if you're miles or so north of Milwaukee if you're miles or so north of Milwaukee if you're in the area give me a yell and I'm I'm in the area give me a yell and I'm I'm in the area give me a yell and I'm I'm always up for a sauna always up for a sauna always up for a sauna so I've got a couple questions that came so I've got a couple questions that came so I've got a couple questions that came in puffed into my head while we were in puffed into my head while we were in puffed into my head while we were talking talking talking um well we have you on so if you if you um well we have you on so if you if you um well we have you on so if you if you won the sauna Lottery won the sauna Lottery won the sauna Lottery you've had it you've already owned a few you've had it you've already owned a few you've had it you've already owned a few different types of soundness electric different types of soundness electric different types of soundness electric wood burning tent Barrel what would your wood burning tent Barrel what would your wood burning tent Barrel what would your next one be so that's the first question next one be so that's the first question next one be so that's the first question and then I have a second question after and then I have a second question after and then I have a second question after that that that oh it you know it would probably be it you know it would probably be um um I would say
43:00you know something you know something um um where where where there was a built-in a cold plunge with there was a built-in a cold plunge with there was a built-in a cold plunge with a filter a filter a filter and a refrigeration system you know with and a refrigeration system you know with and a refrigeration system you know with a pretty elaborate cold plunge you know a pretty elaborate cold plunge you know a pretty elaborate cold plunge you know that would be filtered and can you know that would be filtered and can you know that would be filtered and can you know like controlled and uh kept cold like controlled and uh kept cold like controlled and uh kept cold that would be probably the main element that would be probably the main element that would be probably the main element I think I think I think you know the hot room side of things it you know the hot room side of things it you know the hot room side of things it doesn't have to get too elaborate to be doesn't have to get too elaborate to be doesn't have to get too elaborate to be honest honest honest and that would just be more of a matter and that would just be more of a matter and that would just be more of a matter of convenience you know to have a of convenience you know to have a of convenience you know to have a temperature controlled cold plunge that temperature controlled cold plunge that temperature controlled cold plunge that was always at like 38 degrees and always was always at like 38 degrees and always was always at like 38 degrees and always cold and always clean cold and always clean cold and always clean um but you know the hot room um but you know the hot room um but you know the hot room you know I you know I you know I I think I'd be happy with I think I'd be happy with I think I'd be happy with you know an eight by eight or a fairly
44:00you know an eight by eight or a fairly you know an eight by eight or a fairly small hot room maybe eight foot ceilings small hot room maybe eight foot ceilings small hot room maybe eight foot ceilings and and probably would you know use a I'd probably would you know use a I'd probably would you know use a I'd probably use Akuma stove I mean not I'm probably use Akuma stove I mean not I'm probably use Akuma stove I mean not I'm not trying to plug Kuma I'm just you not trying to plug Kuma I'm just you not trying to plug Kuma I'm just you know know that's just what I have and I I'm happy that's just what I have and I I'm happy that's just what I have and I I'm happy with it so um I've seen some elaborate really um I've seen some elaborate really elaborate saunas but I don't think they elaborate saunas but I don't think they elaborate saunas but I don't think they have to be elaborate I'm have to be elaborate I'm have to be elaborate I'm sometimes more enamored with the simple sometimes more enamored with the simple sometimes more enamored with the simple ones that people did not spend a lot of ones that people did not spend a lot of ones that people did not spend a lot of money on and money on and money on and you know you know um so yeah I don't think it's um so yeah I don't think it's um so yeah I don't think it's so much a matter of how much you spend so much a matter of how much you spend so much a matter of how much you spend it's uh you can have a really good sauna it's uh you can have a really good sauna it's uh you can have a really good sauna with without spending a lot of money with without spending a lot of money with without spending a lot of money oh absolutely Jeff I'm a big fan of the oh absolutely Jeff I'm a big fan of the oh absolutely Jeff I'm a big fan of the DIY Community you know I I built I've DIY Community you know I I built I've DIY Community you know I I built I've built both my saunas kind of on the built both my saunas kind of on the built both my saunas kind of on the budget side of things using little baby budget side of things using little baby budget side of things using little baby non-traditional kind of construction but
45:00non-traditional kind of construction but non-traditional kind of construction but um yeah if you've got a nice wood bench um yeah if you've got a nice wood bench um yeah if you've got a nice wood bench with a lot of hot rocks and you can get with a lot of hot rocks and you can get with a lot of hot rocks and you can get that thing to 200 degrees I don't care that thing to 200 degrees I don't care that thing to 200 degrees I don't care if you spend ten dollars on it or or ten if you spend ten dollars on it or or ten if you spend ten dollars on it or or ten thousand dollars on it thousand dollars on it thousand dollars on it um sounds like a good time yeah um sounds like a good time yeah um sounds like a good time yeah and then the second question are there and then the second question are there and then the second question are there any you've traveled you said you went to any you've traveled you said you went to any you've traveled you said you went to sauna days yep I know you've used the sauna days yep I know you've used the sauna days yep I know you've used the traveling sauna traveling sauna traveling sauna um we met in Chicago sweat lodge which um we met in Chicago sweat lodge which um we met in Chicago sweat lodge which is a wonderful place I recommend is a wonderful place I recommend is a wonderful place I recommend everyone visit there everyone visit there everyone visit there um are there any other saunas in North um are there any other saunas in North um are there any other saunas in North America that would be on your on your America that would be on your on your America that would be on your on your list to check out one of these days list to check out one of these days list to check out one of these days ah well if I could find a good uh ah well if I could find a good uh ah well if I could find a good uh savusona somewhere in northern Wisconsin savusona somewhere in northern Wisconsin savusona somewhere in northern Wisconsin I'd love to try it I'd love to try it I'd love to try it um I know you probably know of a few um I know you probably know of a few um I know you probably know of a few secret ones but secret ones but secret ones but no I know I know I know of one secret no I know I know I know of one secret no I know I know I know of one secret one and then one public one okay our
46:00one and then one public one okay our one and then one public one okay our friend Catskill weather on New York yeah friend Catskill weather on New York yeah friend Catskill weather on New York yeah oh yeah yep oh yeah yep oh yeah yep yeah I'd love to try his yeah I'd love to try his yeah I'd love to try his but beyond that I'd love to get to but beyond that I'd love to get to but beyond that I'd love to get to Finland and you know explore a few of Finland and you know explore a few of Finland and you know explore a few of those really I'd like to try uh sauna those really I'd like to try uh sauna those really I'd like to try uh sauna with the AKA Ito kiwas AK-47 I'd like to with the AKA Ito kiwas AK-47 I'd like to with the AKA Ito kiwas AK-47 I'd like to try you know obviously estaba sauna try you know obviously estaba sauna try you know obviously estaba sauna um but yeah those are sort of on my um but yeah those are sort of on my um but yeah those are sort of on my bucket list yeah I'm gonna go to a savasana in about yeah I'm gonna go to a savasana in about three weeks time so I'm I'm lucky I'm three weeks time so I'm I'm lucky I'm three weeks time so I'm I'm lucky I'm very lucky uh I I have this stupid very lucky uh I I have this stupid very lucky uh I I have this stupid question and I I I asked you all of you question and I I I asked you all of you question and I I I asked you all of you um so we are North American sauna um so we are North American sauna um so we are North American sauna Society is is to spread the word Society is is to spread the word Society is is to spread the word because uh you know we feel that that because uh you know we feel that that because uh you know we feel that that again we we agreed upon that that sauna again we we agreed upon that that sauna again we we agreed upon that that sauna says have doubled but the sound of
47:00says have doubled but the sound of says have doubled but the sound of culture in itself is in its you know culture in itself is in its you know culture in itself is in its you know growing faces so so not many people are growing faces so so not many people are growing faces so so not many people are so much in the in the novices you are so much in the in the novices you are so much in the in the novices you are Jeff Jeff Jeff so we're working on this working on this so we're working on this working on this so we're working on this working on this sauna ambassadorship program and uh and sauna ambassadorship program and uh and sauna ambassadorship program and uh and we we try to we're at the brainstorming we we try to we're at the brainstorming we we try to we're at the brainstorming stage there but then but an idea stage there but then but an idea stage there but then but an idea came to our minds that um that I came to our minds that um that I came to our minds that um that I belonged it's not my son it's my good belonged it's not my son it's my good belonged it's not my son it's my good buddy Sana so so I have I belong to this buddy Sana so so I have I belong to this buddy Sana so so I have I belong to this bunch of people we get together like I bunch of people we get together like I bunch of people we get together like I said before you know maybe every three said before you know maybe every three said before you know maybe every three weeks to sign a bit together weeks to sign a bit together weeks to sign a bit together what what about just for the fun of it what what about just for the fun of it what what about just for the fun of it start asking people around like you know start asking people around like you know start asking people around like you know do you belong to one and and if you do you belong to one and and if you do you belong to one and and if you wanna like you know let us the North wanna like you know let us the North wanna like you know let us the North American Sanders already know about it American Sanders already know about it American Sanders already know about it not that it would be common knowledge not that it would be common knowledge not that it would be common knowledge you know we don't we don't want people you know we don't we don't want people you know we don't we don't want people lining up if you don't want people lining up if you don't want people lining up if you don't want people lining up in your door on your door but lining up in your door on your door but lining up in your door on your door but but just like you know to start telling
48:00but just like you know to start telling but just like you know to start telling these stories about people getting these stories about people getting these stories about people getting together for authentic sound abating do together for authentic sound abating do together for authentic sound abating do you guys you guys you guys think that that's like too much or or do think that that's like too much or or do think that that's like too much or or do you have any ideas on that well I think I mean it's very similar to well I think I mean it's very similar to a lot of the things that I've heard a lot of the things that I've heard a lot of the things that I've heard going on in the Twin Cities especially I going on in the Twin Cities especially I going on in the Twin Cities especially I think of the 612 sauna Society kind of think of the 612 sauna Society kind of think of the 612 sauna Society kind of comes to my mind where they have a comes to my mind where they have a comes to my mind where they have a Cooperative that I think that I think is Cooperative that I think that I think is Cooperative that I think that I think is member owned member owned member owned um correct and so I've got a chance to use that and so I've got a chance to use that that's that's that's um I enjoy seeing like that things like um I enjoy seeing like that things like um I enjoy seeing like that things like that exist out in the wild that exist out in the wild that exist out in the wild yeah no I mean in like in Duluth with yeah no I mean in like in Duluth with yeah no I mean in like in Duluth with Justin and um he's doing a barge uh Justin and um he's doing a barge uh Justin and um he's doing a barge uh sauna that is going to be up in Duluth sauna that is going to be up in Duluth sauna that is going to be up in Duluth Minnesota Minnesota Minnesota um and you know people um and you know people um and you know people you know it costs money to do it so you you know it costs money to do it so you you know it costs money to do it so you know you have to pay for some bench time
49:00know you have to pay for some bench time know you have to pay for some bench time but I think that's a great way to um for but I think that's a great way to um for but I think that's a great way to um for people to experience authentic sound is people to experience authentic sound is people to experience authentic sound is uh to connect with one of these um uh to connect with one of these um uh to connect with one of these um either a co-op or um if if someone has a either a co-op or um if if someone has a either a co-op or um if if someone has a mobile sauna that you can mobile sauna that you can mobile sauna that you can um you know uh you can buy space or have um you know uh you can buy space or have um you know uh you can buy space or have a group that can use you know use it for a group that can use you know use it for a group that can use you know use it for an event or something like that so see an event or something like that so see an event or something like that so see that happening more and more but not that happening more and more but not that happening more and more but not sure how to it seems to be so focused sure how to it seems to be so focused sure how to it seems to be so focused it's it's crazy in in the Twin Cities it's it's crazy in in the Twin Cities it's it's crazy in in the Twin Cities and in Minnesota how many people were and in Minnesota how many people were and in Minnesota how many people were there was 150 people at uh up at there was 150 people at uh up at there was 150 people at uh up at larsmont and I felt like I was at a larsmont and I felt like I was at a larsmont and I felt like I was at a trade convention because there were so trade convention because there were so trade convention because there were so many people there now in the zone of many people there now in the zone of many people there now in the zone of business you know business you know business you know uh we're doing mobile sauna or whatever uh we're doing mobile sauna or whatever uh we're doing mobile sauna or whatever but how yeah how do we get it wider and but how yeah how do we get it wider and but how yeah how do we get it wider and how do we spread the word to like how do we spread the word to like how do we spread the word to like Milwaukee there's nothing really going
50:00Milwaukee there's nothing really going Milwaukee there's nothing really going on in in in Wisconsin like southeast on in in in Wisconsin like southeast on in in in Wisconsin like southeast Wisconsin sauna wise maybe a little bit Wisconsin sauna wise maybe a little bit Wisconsin sauna wise maybe a little bit Madison but not much you know you know Madison but not much you know you know Madison but not much you know you know about Michigan or places like that but about Michigan or places like that but about Michigan or places like that but it's uh there's a long way to go it's uh there's a long way to go it's uh there's a long way to go well I mean you've built two saunas uh well I mean you've built two saunas uh well I mean you've built two saunas uh Sam has built two saunas I you know we Sam has built two saunas I you know we Sam has built two saunas I you know we build a sauna ourselves build a sauna ourselves build a sauna ourselves um and like I would just encourage um and like I would just encourage um and like I would just encourage people it's not as difficult as you people it's not as difficult as you people it's not as difficult as you think you know get involved with the think you know get involved with the think you know get involved with the online communities be be willing to ask online communities be be willing to ask online communities be be willing to ask lots of questions and try and understand lots of questions and try and understand lots of questions and try and understand you get lots of different opinions you get lots of different opinions you get lots of different opinions that's okay you know try and understand that's okay you know try and understand that's okay you know try and understand the whys behind what people are seeing the whys behind what people are seeing the whys behind what people are seeing and I would say to to go for it to build and I would say to to go for it to build and I would say to to go for it to build something that you can you know and something that you can you know and something that you can you know and build it outside and a little bigger build it outside and a little bigger build it outside and a little bigger um you know Jeff saunas are large enough um you know Jeff saunas are large enough um you know Jeff saunas are large enough that he can invite people and and you that he can invite people and and you that he can invite people and and you know put a few people in his saunas it's
51:00know put a few people in his saunas it's know put a few people in his saunas it's nice to be able to host some people as nice to be able to host some people as nice to be able to host some people as well well well yeah and it could be kind of a yeah and it could be kind of a yeah and it could be kind of a you know sort of a one-on-one or you you know sort of a one-on-one or you you know sort of a one-on-one or you know you invite a couple people over know you invite a couple people over know you invite a couple people over here and there and I know over the years here and there and I know over the years here and there and I know over the years especially with my kids and their especially with my kids and their especially with my kids and their friends friends friends you know I've turned a lot of people on you know I've turned a lot of people on you know I've turned a lot of people on to sauna and and some of them have built to sauna and and some of them have built to sauna and and some of them have built their own saunas you know so it's it's their own saunas you know so it's it's their own saunas you know so it's it's just how it happens it's got to be just how it happens it's got to be just how it happens it's got to be somewhat organic and you know it's got somewhat organic and you know it's got somewhat organic and you know it's got to be person to person maybe relational to be person to person maybe relational to be person to person maybe relational and uh and uh and uh you just have to share the real deal you just have to share the real deal you just have to share the real deal though so people can feel it and they though so people can feel it and they though so people can feel it and they know what it is what's right and you know what it is what's right and you know what it is what's right and you know and they can enjoy it know and they can enjoy it know and they can enjoy it that that that that is so true and I that that that that is so true and I that that that that is so true and I guess I I might be wrong but I feel that guess I I might be wrong but I feel that guess I I might be wrong but I feel that one of the one of the the aspects of one of the one of the the aspects of one of the one of the the aspects of sauna that is lacking and hence the sauna that is lacking and hence the sauna that is lacking and hence the question before is the social aspect of
52:00question before is the social aspect of question before is the social aspect of thing things but but like you Jeff you thing things but but like you Jeff you thing things but but like you Jeff you know before moving to the US I had in my know before moving to the US I had in my know before moving to the US I had in my apartment building and I had a time slot apartment building and I had a time slot apartment building and I had a time slot for someone every Friday evening not for someone every Friday evening not for someone every Friday evening not very late in the evening but I usually very late in the evening but I usually very late in the evening but I usually went there after a long work week I went went there after a long work week I went went there after a long work week I went there myself I beat me my my uh off the there myself I beat me my my uh off the there myself I beat me my my uh off the hot room time I was staring out the hot room time I was staring out the hot room time I was staring out the window what looking at the sea and I was window what looking at the sea and I was window what looking at the sea and I was just in silence enjoying a beverage and just in silence enjoying a beverage and just in silence enjoying a beverage and I I you know that was such a huge and I I you know that was such a huge and I I you know that was such a huge and fantastic thing we are on our three last fantastic thing we are on our three last fantastic thing we are on our three last minutes minutes so uh gentlemen any last questions for so uh gentlemen any last questions for so uh gentlemen any last questions for Jeff you know and Mike behalf this has Jeff you know and Mike behalf this has Jeff you know and Mike behalf this has been a fantastic discussion already so been a fantastic discussion already so been a fantastic discussion already so far but um any final words far but um any final words far but um any final words yeah just one question from me Jeff um yeah just one question from me Jeff um yeah just one question from me Jeff um you know like the sauna Days event that you know like the sauna Days event that you know like the sauna Days event that you went to are there any other public you went to are there any other public you went to are there any other public sauna events that you might be looking sauna events that you might be looking sauna events that you might be looking forward to or anything that you have forward to or anything that you have forward to or anything that you have planned for the summer planned for the summer planned for the summer not really for the summer I mean just uh
53:00not really for the summer I mean just uh not really for the summer I mean just uh it's uh it's uh it's uh kind of the kind of the kind of the Lakes you know our lake is open and Lakes you know our lake is open and Lakes you know our lake is open and we're going to be up there this summer we're going to be up there this summer we're going to be up there this summer and enjoying sauna with our friends and and enjoying sauna with our friends and and enjoying sauna with our friends and family so looking forward to that and uh family so looking forward to that and uh family so looking forward to that and uh you know we uh we usually have some good you know we uh we usually have some good you know we uh we usually have some good weekends where we you know keep the weekends where we you know keep the weekends where we you know keep the thing hot just about all weekend long so thing hot just about all weekend long so thing hot just about all weekend long so it comes in handy to have an electric it comes in handy to have an electric it comes in handy to have an electric sauna where you can just keep pressing sauna where you can just keep pressing sauna where you can just keep pressing the button to keep it hot you know the button to keep it hot you know the button to keep it hot you know but uh I'm open to I I think you know I but uh I'm open to I I think you know I but uh I'm open to I I think you know I feel like next year I would it was 440 feel like next year I would it was 440 feel like next year I would it was 440 miles to get up to uh larsmont from miles to get up to uh larsmont from miles to get up to uh larsmont from where I live six and a half hour drive where I live six and a half hour drive where I live six and a half hour drive but I enjoyed it up I think I'll be back but I enjoyed it up I think I'll be back but I enjoyed it up I think I'll be back next year next year next year and hopefully someone will maybe come up and hopefully someone will maybe come up and hopefully someone will maybe come up with something we can do with something we can do with something we can do out there out there out there we can uh we can pack our bags and make
54:00we can uh we can pack our bags and make we can uh we can pack our bags and make plans if anyone wants to to do another plans if anyone wants to to do another plans if anyone wants to to do another event like that I'm all game event like that I'm all game event like that I'm all game wonderful well you might have to go a wonderful well you might have to go a wonderful well you might have to go a few more miles to come to my neck of the few more miles to come to my neck of the few more miles to come to my neck of the woods yeah woods yeah woods yeah or New York yes well it's been my pleasure gentlemen well it's been my pleasure gentlemen thank you so much for having me I thank you so much for having me I thank you so much for having me I enjoyed our conversation and uh enjoyed our conversation and uh enjoyed our conversation and uh I hope we uh can all meet again on the I hope we uh can all meet again on the I hope we uh can all meet again on the bench someday soon bench someday soon bench someday soon and and Jeff anybody with a mustache and and Jeff anybody with a mustache and and Jeff anybody with a mustache like that can't be wrong like that can't be wrong like that can't be wrong [Laughter] [Laughter] thank you guys thank you so much all thank you guys thank you so much all thank you guys thank you so much all right cheers bye-bye