00:00hi i'm dr dan ratner today i'm joined hi i'm dr dan ratner today i'm joined once again by eerily angeliovska she's a once again by eerily angeliovska she's a once again by eerily angeliovska she's a physiotherapist from sydney australia physiotherapist from sydney australia physiotherapist from sydney australia living in the uk living in the uk living in the uk we talked when she was first on about we talked when she was first on about we talked when she was first on about her recovery from reynaud's but today her recovery from reynaud's but today her recovery from reynaud's but today we're going to talk about the wim hof we're going to talk about the wim hof we're going to talk about the wim hof method method method of cold water immersion and she's going of cold water immersion and she's going of cold water immersion and she's going to take us through what that's all about to take us through what that's all about to take us through what that's all about what it leads to and what the benefits what it leads to and what the benefits what it leads to and what the benefits are if you haven't already click are if you haven't already click are if you haven't already click subscribe ring the bell for subscribe ring the bell for subscribe ring the bell for notifications hit like if you like what notifications hit like if you like what notifications hit like if you like what you're hearing and put your comments you're hearing and put your comments you're hearing and put your comments below and we'll get back to you below and we'll get back to you below and we'll get back to you personally personally personally and finally you can reserve your place and finally you can reserve your place and finally you can reserve your place in one of my seminars or purchase any of in one of my seminars or purchase any of in one of my seminars or purchase any of my mind body guides also known as the my mind body guides also known as the my mind body guides also known as the pdfs at www.crushing.org hi early thank you for joining me again hi early thank you for joining me again very very pleased to have you back very very pleased to have you back very very pleased to have you back thank you dan thanks for inviting me thank you dan thanks for inviting me thank you dan thanks for inviting me back back back so one of the reasons you and i wanted so one of the reasons you and i wanted so one of the reasons you and i wanted to talk again to talk again to talk again was because we didn't get to get into was because we didn't get to get into was because we didn't get to get into wim hof enough and we talked some about wim hof enough and we talked some about wim hof enough and we talked some about about him and his method about him and his method
01:00about him and his method but but but you wanted to tell me more about it and you wanted to tell me more about it and you wanted to tell me more about it and i wanted to know more about it so it was i wanted to know more about it so it was i wanted to know more about it so it was a perfect match a perfect match a perfect match um um um tell me when was it that you discovered tell me when was it that you discovered tell me when was it that you discovered him in in your process of getting better him in in your process of getting better him in in your process of getting better from reynolds from reynolds from reynolds the way that happened was in getting the way that happened was in getting the way that happened was in getting better from raynaud's and obviously better from raynaud's and obviously better from raynaud's and obviously sharing that with georgie from surfer sharing that with georgie from surfer sharing that with georgie from surfer she came across a cold water challenge she came across a cold water challenge she came across a cold water challenge that was advertised on facebook or that was advertised on facebook or that was advertised on facebook or something like that and she thought who something like that and she thought who something like that and she thought who would be up for this crazy challenge oh would be up for this crazy challenge oh would be up for this crazy challenge oh funnily enough my name popped up and she funnily enough my name popped up and she funnily enough my name popped up and she asked if i would join her in this cold asked if i would join her in this cold asked if i would join her in this cold water challenge water challenge water challenge and and and and i thought yeah that would be great and i thought yeah that would be great and i thought yeah that would be great that would be a progression um to me that would be a progression um to me that would be a progression um to me exposing myself to the cold because exposing myself to the cold because exposing myself to the cold because with rain as or in the cold in general with rain as or in the cold in general with rain as or in the cold in general our body reacts more strongly to cold our body reacts more strongly to cold our body reacts more strongly to cold water than to cold air it's a much more water than to cold air it's a much more water than to cold air it's a much more impactful the cold when it's in water impactful the cold when it's in water impactful the cold when it's in water than an air so i knew if i could than an air so i knew if i could than an air so i knew if i could overcome my innate fear of water because overcome my innate fear of water because overcome my innate fear of water because of rain outs that would be my next step
02:00of rain outs that would be my next step of rain outs that would be my next step and my evolution in resolving that so it and my evolution in resolving that so it and my evolution in resolving that so it seemed like a natural thing and that seemed like a natural thing and that seemed like a natural thing and that happened a few months ago so we started happened a few months ago so we started happened a few months ago so we started on this challenge on this challenge on this challenge run by a couple of guys in the uk run by a couple of guys in the uk run by a couple of guys in the uk and and through that i could tell that they'd through that i could tell that they'd through that i could tell that they'd taken a lot of their methods from the taken a lot of their methods from the taken a lot of their methods from the wim hof wim hof wim hof understanding so understanding so understanding so and they kind of presented a sort of and they kind of presented a sort of and they kind of presented a sort of user-friendly style if you like um for user-friendly style if you like um for user-friendly style if you like um for the uninitiated if you like but i wanted the uninitiated if you like but i wanted the uninitiated if you like but i wanted to go deeper and find out on the basis to go deeper and find out on the basis to go deeper and find out on the basis of what they did that work so i looked of what they did that work so i looked of what they did that work so i looked up wim hof then up wim hof then up wim hof then and he's got lots of um information on and he's got lots of um information on and he's got lots of um information on the internet on youtube lots of free the internet on youtube lots of free the internet on youtube lots of free resources resources resources um but i actually signed up to one of um but i actually signed up to one of um but i actually signed up to one of his um his um his um courses as in to experience not to learn courses as in to experience not to learn courses as in to experience not to learn his method but to experience his method his method but to experience his method his method but to experience his method on commune on commune on commune and i did and i did and i did learn the breathing techniques the learn the breathing techniques the learn the breathing techniques the mindset techniques and the cold water mindset techniques and the cold water mindset techniques and the cold water exposure exposure exposure that he that he that he um um demonstrates
03:00demonstrates demonstrates so this was this was directly with him so this was this was directly with him so this was this was directly with him it well a recording of him yeah yeah it well a recording of him yeah yeah it well a recording of him yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all right all right all right that's part of what i wanted to ask is that's part of what i wanted to ask is that's part of what i wanted to ask is you know i hear so much about him you know i hear so much about him you know i hear so much about him and i was thinking i don't know do and i was thinking i don't know do and i was thinking i don't know do people do people actually go to a people do people actually go to a people do people actually go to a retreat with him or what what's the retreat with him or what what's the retreat with him or what what's the yeah well you can you can to go to a yeah well you can you can to go to a yeah well you can you can to go to a retreat with him um but he runs lots of retreat with him um but he runs lots of retreat with him um but he runs lots of courses which are accessible you know courses which are accessible you know courses which are accessible you know that you can access his recorded courses that you can access his recorded courses that you can access his recorded courses and and work through the system with him and and work through the system with him and and work through the system with him and that's what i did and that's what i did and that's what i did um so um so um so um um and that was really interesting to me and that was really interesting to me and that was really interesting to me through the mind body lens um to through the mind body lens um to through the mind body lens um to consider what he is doing which is consider what he is doing which is consider what he is doing which is um um influencing the autonomic nervous system influencing the autonomic nervous system influencing the autonomic nervous system with conscious control with conscious control with conscious control okay so that that that's part of what i okay so that that that's part of what i okay so that that that's part of what i wanted you to take me through is is what wanted you to take me through is is what wanted you to take me through is is what is this actually doing because i mean is this actually doing because i mean is this actually doing because i mean there's many reasons i want to ask you there's many reasons i want to ask you there's many reasons i want to ask you this but this but this but um my family goes on vacation
04:00um my family goes on vacation um my family goes on vacation um on the atlantic ocean um on the atlantic ocean um on the atlantic ocean in long island in new york in long island in new york in long island in new york and whenever i have to get into the and whenever i have to get into the and whenever i have to get into the ocean i i've trained myself to know i'm ocean i i've trained myself to know i'm ocean i i've trained myself to know i'm i'm i'm i'm not gonna want to do it not gonna want to do it not gonna want to do it and then i do it and i love it every and then i do it and i love it every and then i do it and i love it every time time time yeah and i come out feeling better yeah and i come out feeling better yeah and i come out feeling better i come out feeling like insulated from i come out feeling like insulated from i come out feeling like insulated from the world and just great the world and just great the world and just great yeah but i don't know why yeah but i don't know why yeah but i don't know why uh uh uh so maybe you can help explain that so maybe you can help explain that so maybe you can help explain that because i think there's something very because i think there's something very because i think there's something very similar similar similar yes and and this is what the wim hof yes and and this is what the wim hof yes and and this is what the wim hof method is all about it's not just to be method is all about it's not just to be method is all about it's not just to be able to conquer the cold the cold is able to conquer the cold the cold is able to conquer the cold the cold is just just just an example of a stressor an example of a stressor an example of a stressor that you have an automatic reaction to that you have an automatic reaction to that you have an automatic reaction to physiologically physiologically and you physiologically physiologically and you physiologically physiologically and you learn to be able to control that learn to be able to control that learn to be able to control that physiological response to that physiological response to that physiological response to that particular stressor particular stressor particular stressor and then you can apply it to other and then you can apply it to other and then you can apply it to other stressors in your life stressors in your life stressors in your life so in the case the reason you feel so so in the case the reason you feel so so in the case the reason you feel so good when you come out of the sea well
05:00good when you come out of the sea well good when you come out of the sea well there's lots of there's lots of there's lots of physiological reasons for that release physiological reasons for that release physiological reasons for that release of the of the of the well they've done studies on on wim hof well they've done studies on on wim hof well they've done studies on on wim hof when he's been in the cold and other when he's been in the cold and other when he's been in the cold and other volunteers that have learnt his method volunteers that have learnt his method volunteers that have learnt his method and they found things like it stimulates and they found things like it stimulates and they found things like it stimulates the periaqueduco grey bit of the brain the periaqueduco grey bit of the brain the periaqueduco grey bit of the brain stem which is where endogenous opioids stem which is where endogenous opioids stem which is where endogenous opioids are produced so you get that euphoric are produced so you get that euphoric are produced so you get that euphoric kind of feel good can be activated when kind of feel good can be activated when kind of feel good can be activated when that system is is tapped into but in in that system is is tapped into but in in that system is is tapped into but in in you going in the sea you going in the sea you going in the sea is an example of when that's a fear is an example of when that's a fear is an example of when that's a fear and despite the fear you go into it with and despite the fear you go into it with and despite the fear you go into it with a mindset of well let's let's give it a a mindset of well let's let's give it a a mindset of well let's let's give it a go anyway even though i'm feeling a bit go anyway even though i'm feeling a bit go anyway even though i'm feeling a bit nervous about it and then you you nervous about it and then you you nervous about it and then you you overcome that fear and it surprises you overcome that fear and it surprises you overcome that fear and it surprises you because you love it so much and you come because you love it so much and you come because you love it so much and you come out and then it leaves you with that out and then it leaves you with that out and then it leaves you with that that sense of power and accomplishment that sense of power and accomplishment that sense of power and accomplishment over that um that perceived fear that over that um that perceived fear that over that um that perceived fear that you started with you started with you started with okay so i certainly i definitely okay so i certainly i definitely okay so i certainly i definitely understand the the euphoria of understand the the euphoria of understand the the euphoria of conquering a fear
06:00conquering a fear conquering a fear that that that that i've experienced many times that i've experienced many times that i've experienced many times but i wonder what is it about the cold but i wonder what is it about the cold but i wonder what is it about the cold because i think about it if i got into because i think about it if i got into because i think about it if i got into like a really hot like a really hot like a really hot um hot tub um hot tub um hot tub i don't come out euphoric from that i don't come out euphoric from that i don't come out euphoric from that you know you know you know and and meanwhile if we were scared and and meanwhile if we were scared and and meanwhile if we were scared about getting into water that was about getting into water that was about getting into water that was boiling we would get into it and boiling we would get into it and boiling we would get into it and actually burn ourselves and not be okay actually burn ourselves and not be okay actually burn ourselves and not be okay so so so there's something going on here and i there's something going on here and i there's something going on here and i i'm very curious what it is i don't even i'm very curious what it is i don't even i'm very curious what it is i don't even know if you can shed light on that maybe know if you can shed light on that maybe know if you can shed light on that maybe to you it's it's every bit as much of to you it's it's every bit as much of to you it's it's every bit as much of mystery as it is to me but mystery as it is to me but mystery as it is to me but i'm curious what i'm curious what i'm curious what what do i make of that what do i make of that what do i make of that yeah well the thing is when we get into yeah well the thing is when we get into yeah well the thing is when we get into hot bath hot bath hot bath um that's inducing a relaxation effect um that's inducing a relaxation effect um that's inducing a relaxation effect which is not exciting excitatory if you which is not exciting excitatory if you which is not exciting excitatory if you like like cold is a shock what you like like cold is a shock what you like like cold is a shock what you experience when you go into cold is a experience when you go into cold is a experience when you go into cold is a shock and it's a stress effect
07:00shock and it's a stress effect shock and it's a stress effect and so that's a different physiology to and so that's a different physiology to and so that's a different physiology to getting into a comfortable warm bath getting into a comfortable warm bath getting into a comfortable warm bath that's that's not creating a stress that's that's not creating a stress that's that's not creating a stress effect that's a that's creating the effect that's a that's creating the effect that's a that's creating the opposite of a stress effect yep i don't opposite of a stress effect yep i don't opposite of a stress effect yep i don't know if this is right and if or if this know if this is right and if or if this know if this is right and if or if this fits with your understanding of it i fits with your understanding of it i fits with your understanding of it i mean it seems like with hot with hot mean it seems like with hot with hot mean it seems like with hot with hot temperatures temperatures temperatures your choices are your choices are your choices are relaxation relaxation relaxation or being burnt or being burnt or being burnt there's there's no there's no in between there's there's no there's no in between there's there's no there's no in between land where you can just have the shock land where you can just have the shock land where you can just have the shock and the overcome and the overcome and the overcome no no that's right that's right but no no that's right that's right but no no that's right that's right but that's because obviously the burn that that's because obviously the burn that that's because obviously the burn that is that that's that is danger that is is that that's that is danger that is is that that's that is danger that is appropriate you know appropriate you know appropriate you know yeah actual danger when we go into cold yeah actual danger when we go into cold yeah actual danger when we go into cold water when we go into cold water for a water when we go into cold water for a water when we go into cold water for a reasonable amount of time it's not too reasonable amount of time it's not too reasonable amount of time it's not too long but that's not actual danger but we long but that's not actual danger but we long but that's not actual danger but we still get that shock stress response if still get that shock stress response if still get that shock stress response if we've been conditioned to we've been conditioned to we've been conditioned to fear it or avoid it or you know that fear it or avoid it or you know that fear it or avoid it or you know that type of thing type of thing type of thing now do you do you know how he discovered
08:00now do you do you know how he discovered now do you do you know how he discovered his method his method his method yeah it's an interesting story um yeah it's an interesting story um yeah it's an interesting story um it's a sad story in that 1995 it's a sad story in that 1995 it's a sad story in that 1995 um his wife committed suicide um his wife committed suicide um his wife committed suicide she actually she actually she actually yeah and and he had he was left with yeah and and he had he was left with yeah and and he had he was left with four children four children four children and he was really devastated and he and he was really devastated and he and he was really devastated and he describes how he you know he just he describes how he you know he just he describes how he you know he just he went into a spin of course went into a spin of course went into a spin of course and somewhere along the line he realized and somewhere along the line he realized and somewhere along the line he realized that one day he jumped into some cold that one day he jumped into some cold that one day he jumped into some cold water water water and it was the first time he just felt and it was the first time he just felt and it was the first time he just felt peace peace peace everything stopped wow everything stopped wow everything stopped wow it was like instantaneous mindfulness it was like instantaneous mindfulness it was like instantaneous mindfulness and and he realized that that was really and and he realized that that was really and and he realized that that was really powerful and that was the first time powerful and that was the first time powerful and that was the first time he'd felt like that he'd felt like that he'd felt like that since that had happened in his life since that had happened in his life since that had happened in his life and then he thought i need more of this and then he thought i need more of this and then he thought i need more of this and and that's kind of where it and and that's kind of where it and and that's kind of where it originated him just discovering the originated him just discovering the originated him just discovering the effect of himself and in quietening his effect of himself and in quietening his effect of himself and in quietening his mind mind mind and how good that felt and how good that felt and how good that felt and so he developed it further from and so he developed it further from and so he developed it further from there
09:00there there so i wanted to make an observation so i wanted to make an observation so i wanted to make an observation based on what you just said and i you based on what you just said and i you based on what you just said and i you know it's funny i had heard i had heard know it's funny i had heard i had heard know it's funny i had heard i had heard that and then i hit i think i forgot it that and then i hit i think i forgot it that and then i hit i think i forgot it because it was too disturbing well that because it was too disturbing well that because it was too disturbing well that was just the kind of thing that happened was just the kind of thing that happened was just the kind of thing that happened to me yeah yeah yeah to me yeah yeah yeah to me yeah yeah yeah but um i was thinking that another but um i was thinking that another but um i was thinking that another aspect of what he must have gotten out aspect of what he must have gotten out aspect of what he must have gotten out of that was that he got out of a certain of that was that he got out of a certain of that was that he got out of a certain type of headspace type of headspace type of headspace you know he he must have been going over you know he he must have been going over you know he he must have been going over and over and over the and over and over the and over and over the the kind of um the kind of um the kind of um cerebral cortex kind of cerebral cortex kind of cerebral cortex kind of processing processing processing of what had happened of what had happened of what had happened and there are so many times when we're and there are so many times when we're and there are so many times when we're kind of sick of it even as a therapist kind of sick of it even as a therapist kind of sick of it even as a therapist there are times where when i go to see there are times where when i go to see there are times where when i go to see my therapist i think my therapist i think my therapist i think i don't want to deal with this i don't i don't want to deal with this i don't i don't want to deal with this i don't want to deal with me you know it's like want to deal with me you know it's like want to deal with me you know it's like i'm done with that type of thing i'm done with that type of thing i'm done with that type of thing and i think i would rather jump in a and i think i would rather jump in a and i think i would rather jump in a bucket of ice not because it's so bad bucket of ice not because it's so bad bucket of ice not because it's so bad but because but because but because we want something different that frees we want something different that frees we want something different that frees us from that and one of the reasons i
10:00us from that and one of the reasons i us from that and one of the reasons i i'm i'm asking this i'm i'm asking this i'm i'm asking this is that in my work with mind body work is that in my work with mind body work is that in my work with mind body work i find something similar is happening i find something similar is happening i find something similar is happening not through shock but it's there's not through shock but it's there's not through shock but it's there's something similar happening something similar happening something similar happening where we get people to concentrate on where we get people to concentrate on where we get people to concentrate on something that's very present and away something that's very present and away something that's very present and away from the way that they normally think from the way that they normally think from the way that they normally think about things and i i wanted to ask you about things and i i wanted to ask you about things and i i wanted to ask you is that part of is that part of is that part of is that part of what you experience in is that part of what you experience in is that part of what you experience in the work that the work that the work that that you do or in the way that you think that you do or in the way that you think that you do or in the way that you think about it about it about it yeah yeah that's right i think that's right i think that's right i think in the in the sense of getting in the in the in the sense of getting in the in the in the sense of getting in the water that shocked him out of his water that shocked him out of his water that shocked him out of his habitual pattern of being in his head habitual pattern of being in his head habitual pattern of being in his head and and in therapy we're trying to in therapy we're trying to in therapy we're trying to change people's habitual change people's habitual change people's habitual sort of churning that's going over and sort of churning that's going over and sort of churning that's going over and diverting them somewhere else and and diverting them somewhere else and and diverting them somewhere else and and cold water is is just one of many cold water is is just one of many cold water is is just one of many different mechanisms i guess different mechanisms i guess different mechanisms i guess to do that um to do that um to do that um creates a situation where creates a situation where creates a situation where when you're in cold water when you're when you're in cold water when you're when you're in cold water when you're having cold showers you're not thinking
11:00having cold showers you're not thinking having cold showers you're not thinking about your worries or anything else you about your worries or anything else you about your worries or anything else you are fully present in the experience of are fully present in the experience of are fully present in the experience of the cold you are fully mindful in that the cold you are fully mindful in that the cold you are fully mindful in that moment and nothing else is going on for moment and nothing else is going on for moment and nothing else is going on for you and in that time gives you a rest you and in that time gives you a rest you and in that time gives you a rest from what he calls the beehive of the from what he calls the beehive of the from what he calls the beehive of the mind which i think is a nice description mind which i think is a nice description mind which i think is a nice description of it so of it so of it so you haven't got that beehive going on you haven't got that beehive going on you haven't got that beehive going on you've got sort of you've got you've got you've got sort of you've got you've got you've got sort of you've got you've got the cold going on and that the cold going on and that the cold going on and that that has got your full attention and that has got your full attention and that has got your full attention and everything else just isn't there in that everything else just isn't there in that everything else just isn't there in that moment moment moment and that sounds like that rings pretty and that sounds like that rings pretty and that sounds like that rings pretty true to what you have experienced true to what you have experienced true to what you have experienced yourself that when you do it yes yourself that when you do it yes yourself that when you do it yes yes can you describe it a little bit yes can you describe it a little bit yes can you describe it a little bit well yeah so actually well yeah so actually well yeah so actually describe the first time if you remember describe the first time if you remember describe the first time if you remember it it it yeah okay yeah okay yeah okay so what what it's important to so what what it's important to so what what it's important to understand they've done studies on him understand they've done studies on him understand they've done studies on him and they've just exposed him to water or and they've just exposed him to water or and they've just exposed him to water or they've just done the mindset and then they've just done the mindset and then they've just done the mindset and then cold water or he's just done the cold water or he's just done the cold water or he's just done the breathing cold water and it's basically breathing cold water and it's basically breathing cold water and it's basically you have to do all all the things you have to do all all the things you have to do all all the things together to get the effect
12:00together to get the effect together to get the effect now now now before we go into cold water you do um a before we go into cold water you do um a before we go into cold water you do um a breathing technique breathing technique breathing technique and it's not a relaxation breathing and it's not a relaxation breathing and it's not a relaxation breathing technique it's based on a tibetan fire technique it's based on a tibetan fire technique it's based on a tibetan fire breathing so it's lots of big full breathing so it's lots of big full breathing so it's lots of big full breaths breaths breaths for you know lots of them about 30 of for you know lots of them about 30 of for you know lots of them about 30 of them them them and then you hold then you breathe out and then you hold then you breathe out and then you hold then you breathe out and you hold your breath for a minute and you hold your breath for a minute and you hold your breath for a minute and then you inhale fully and hold it and then you inhale fully and hold it and then you inhale fully and hold it for 10-15 seconds for 10-15 seconds for 10-15 seconds and then you do it again the the fire and then you do it again the the fire and then you do it again the the fire breathing and each time you hold the breathing and each time you hold the breathing and each time you hold the breath for the next time one and a half breath for the next time one and a half breath for the next time one and a half minutes minutes minutes and then two minutes and then two minutes and then two minutes and then two and a half minutes and then two and a half minutes and then two and a half minutes and so you're building up your ability and so you're building up your ability and so you're building up your ability to hold the breath for longer to hold the breath for longer to hold the breath for longer now partly that you can do that because now partly that you can do that because now partly that you can do that because you're blowing off carbon dioxide but in you're blowing off carbon dioxide but in you're blowing off carbon dioxide but in in doing this it creates a little bit of in doing this it creates a little bit of in doing this it creates a little bit of a stress response in your body already a stress response in your body already a stress response in your body already so your body's already primed to stress so your body's already primed to stress so your body's already primed to stress before you hit the cold stress before you hit the cold stress before you hit the cold stress so that's number one thing
13:00so that's number one thing so that's number one thing then you go in with the mindset so you then you go in with the mindset so you then you go in with the mindset so you go in with the mindset of setting the go in with the mindset of setting the go in with the mindset of setting the intention i'm going to have 30 seconds intention i'm going to have 30 seconds intention i'm going to have 30 seconds of cold water and you set your mind to of cold water and you set your mind to of cold water and you set your mind to that that and you go in with the mindset that you and you go in with the mindset that you and you go in with the mindset that you are not going to resist the cold so this are not going to resist the cold so this are not going to resist the cold so this is where i think it really makes sense is where i think it really makes sense is where i think it really makes sense in the mind body work as well in the mind body work as well in the mind body work as well facing the stressor without resistance facing the stressor without resistance facing the stressor without resistance just accepting it allowing it to be just accepting it allowing it to be just accepting it allowing it to be there there and ultimately you get to the point and ultimately you get to the point and ultimately you get to the point where you actually look forward to and where you actually look forward to and where you actually look forward to and enjoy enjoy enjoy being exposed to it being exposed to it being exposed to it so inevitably what happened the first so inevitably what happened the first so inevitably what happened the first time um time um time um the way he says to do it gently um is to the way he says to do it gently um is to the way he says to do it gently um is to start with a hot shower and then turn it start with a hot shower and then turn it start with a hot shower and then turn it to cold and it's depending how to cold and it's depending how to cold and it's depending how aversive people are to cold you can just aversive people are to cold you can just aversive people are to cold you can just have it for five seconds on the last you have it for five seconds on the last you have it for five seconds on the last you know five seconds and that's all you know five seconds and that's all you know five seconds and that's all you want to start with i started about 30 want to start with i started about 30 want to start with i started about 30 seconds and yes the first time i went in seconds and yes the first time i went in seconds and yes the first time i went in there was some screaming that went on
14:00clearly i hadn't mastered it on the clearly i hadn't mastered it on the first time and of course you shouldn't first time and of course you shouldn't first time and of course you shouldn't you know of course you can't master any you know of course you can't master any you know of course you can't master any of these things on the first time can of these things on the first time can of these things on the first time can you and that's all okay you and that's all okay you and that's all okay so that was quite amusing so that was quite amusing so that was quite amusing and then and then and then you do it on a daily basis so you build you do it on a daily basis so you build you do it on a daily basis so you build up your tolerance and each time you up your tolerance and each time you up your tolerance and each time you expose yourself a little bit longer and expose yourself a little bit longer and expose yourself a little bit longer and you've gone in you've done the breathing you've gone in you've done the breathing you've gone in you've done the breathing you've set your mind you're going to go you've set your mind you're going to go you've set your mind you're going to go into the cold and also what happens when into the cold and also what happens when into the cold and also what happens when you go into cold water you go into cold water you go into cold water this shock response is you start gasping this shock response is you start gasping this shock response is you start gasping for breath you start hyperventilating for breath you start hyperventilating for breath you start hyperventilating you tense up your muscles and then you you tense up your muscles and then you you tense up your muscles and then you and you're mentally thinking i hate this and you're mentally thinking i hate this and you're mentally thinking i hate this so obviously all those things make the so obviously all those things make the so obviously all those things make the experience far worse so instead you go experience far worse so instead you go experience far worse so instead you go in and you get you have the cold come on in and you get you have the cold come on in and you get you have the cold come on and you slow your breath down you slow and you slow your breath down you slow and you slow your breath down you slow your out breath down your out breath down your out breath down so that you are so that you are so that you are calm having a calm response to the calm having a calm response to the calm having a calm response to the stressor rather than perpetuating it stressor rather than perpetuating it stressor rather than perpetuating it with a rapid breath and you don't resist with a rapid breath and you don't resist with a rapid breath and you don't resist you kind of relax into it you just let
15:00you kind of relax into it you just let you kind of relax into it you just let it happen and you reframe it as this it happen and you reframe it as this it happen and you reframe it as this sort of sort of sort of refreshing experience refreshing experience refreshing experience as opposed to something really horrible as opposed to something really horrible as opposed to something really horrible which you're going to you know resist which you're going to you know resist which you're going to you know resist um and it it's kind of like when um and it it's kind of like when um and it it's kind of like when exposing someone to a painful trigger or exposing someone to a painful trigger or exposing someone to a painful trigger or something else like that you you set the something else like that you you set the something else like that you you set the mindset mindset mindset you encourage them to let go their you encourage them to let go their you encourage them to let go their resistance and allow it to you know resistance and allow it to you know resistance and allow it to you know whatever happened to sort of happen a whatever happened to sort of happen a whatever happened to sort of happen a little bit without fighting against that little bit without fighting against that little bit without fighting against that sensation sensation sensation um um and so each time i only screamed the and so each time i only screamed the and so each time i only screamed the first time i'm proud to say and there first time i'm proud to say and there first time i'm proud to say and there were no more screams were no more screams were no more screams and and by um by um by um a couple of weeks a couple of weeks a couple of weeks you know i was managing to be in you know i was managing to be in you know i was managing to be in you know two minutes in a cold shower you know two minutes in a cold shower you know two minutes in a cold shower and and been able to regulate my breath and been able to regulate my breath and been able to regulate my breath and almost got to the point of enjoying it almost got to the point of enjoying it almost got to the point of enjoying it after two weeks after two weeks after two weeks it takes about two weeks to build it up it takes about two weeks to build it up it takes about two weeks to build it up to about a two minute exposure
16:00to about a two minute exposure to about a two minute exposure the next step the next step the next step yeah go ahead no tell me the next step yeah go ahead no tell me the next step yeah go ahead no tell me the next step so the next step is so the next step is so the next step is okay let's get into some an icy cold okay let's get into some an icy cold okay let's get into some an icy cold bath or something like that bath or something like that bath or something like that and in some ways in some ways getting and in some ways in some ways getting and in some ways in some ways getting into a cold body of water can be easier into a cold body of water can be easier into a cold body of water can be easier than the shower the shower sort of than the shower the shower sort of than the shower the shower sort of blasts on you in a bit more kind of blasts on you in a bit more kind of blasts on you in a bit more kind of direct where the water if you lay still direct where the water if you lay still direct where the water if you lay still in it there's a little pocket of warm in it there's a little pocket of warm in it there's a little pocket of warm water that develops around you if you water that develops around you if you water that develops around you if you lay still until you wash so you can kind lay still until you wash so you can kind lay still until you wash so you can kind of stay a little bit longer and then you can stay and whilst you're and then you can stay and whilst you're there there you are you are you are whilst you're in there you're doing the whilst you're in there you're doing the whilst you're in there you're doing the relaxed breaths that's different to the relaxed breaths that's different to the relaxed breaths that's different to the fire breathing before you're just doing fire breathing before you're just doing fire breathing before you're just doing a relaxed breath a relaxed breath a relaxed breath and in your in my mind i was just trying and in your in my mind i was just trying and in your in my mind i was just trying to refrain this cold sensation as to refrain this cold sensation as to refrain this cold sensation as it's just a cold sensation it's just a cold sensation it's just a cold sensation and i yeah i can feel it's cold and and i yeah i can feel it's cold and and i yeah i can feel it's cold and that's okay that's okay that's okay it's just a sensation it's just a sensation it's just a sensation and that's kind of um
17:00and that's kind of um and that's kind of um how you can then not react to it with how you can then not react to it with how you can then not react to it with the stress response the stress response the stress response which makes it a lot more unpleasant of which makes it a lot more unpleasant of which makes it a lot more unpleasant of course it's so interesting how much course it's so interesting how much course it's so interesting how much overlap there is between this and overlap there is between this and overlap there is between this and other methods that really work to get other methods that really work to get other methods that really work to get people feeling better because even if people feeling better because even if people feeling better because even if we're talking about just their talk we're talking about just their talk we're talking about just their talk therapy therapy therapy we do try to move people towards this is we do try to move people towards this is we do try to move people towards this is just a sensation just a sensation just a sensation yes i don't need to freak out about this yes i don't need to freak out about this yes i don't need to freak out about this i don't need to scream i don't need to scream i don't need to scream you're allowed to scream the first time you're allowed to scream the first time you're allowed to scream the first time you are in fact this primal scream you are in fact this primal scream you are in fact this primal scream therapy and then you're supposed to therapy and then you're supposed to therapy and then you're supposed to but but um um i mean this really is helping me i mean this really is helping me i mean this really is helping me understand certain things as i think it understand certain things as i think it understand certain things as i think it through through through as an example as an example as an example as i mentioned as i mentioned as i mentioned it really is helping me think through it really is helping me think through it really is helping me think through what happens when i get in the ocean what happens when i get in the ocean what happens when i get in the ocean because my breathing actually i think because my breathing actually i think because my breathing actually i think does slow down does slow down does slow down when i'm in the ocean and i think that's when i'm in the ocean and i think that's when i'm in the ocean and i think that's some of what feels good and some of what feels good and some of what feels good and breath to me seems really important
18:00breath to me seems really important breath to me seems really important when i was suffering from my eight years when i was suffering from my eight years when i was suffering from my eight years of back pain it was always at its worst of back pain it was always at its worst of back pain it was always at its worst well let me put it this way when it was well let me put it this way when it was well let me put it this way when it was at its worst one of the things i noticed at its worst one of the things i noticed at its worst one of the things i noticed is that my breathing was very shallow is that my breathing was very shallow is that my breathing was very shallow i was like barely breathing i was like barely breathing i was like barely breathing yeah you know i was just like yeah you know i was just like yeah you know i was just like and and that's a little hard to describe and and that's a little hard to describe and and that's a little hard to describe to people because i was breathing to people because i was breathing to people because i was breathing normally in actuality yeah yeah normally in actuality yeah yeah normally in actuality yeah yeah but you were frozen yeah but i was i was but you were frozen yeah but i was i was but you were frozen yeah but i was i was frozen yeah um and and it was it was frozen yeah um and and it was it was frozen yeah um and and it was it was just these very it was it was like i was just these very it was it was like i was just these very it was it was like i was breathing breathing breathing more breaths more breaths more breaths but they were so shallow but they were so shallow but they were so shallow that i was probably taking in the same that i was probably taking in the same that i was probably taking in the same amount of oxygen but it was like amount of oxygen but it was like amount of oxygen but it was like not in the right way and i work with uh not in the right way and i work with uh not in the right way and i work with uh the first person who ever came on my the first person who ever came on my the first person who ever came on my podcast is someone i cured of their back podcast is someone i cured of their back podcast is someone i cured of their back pain and pain and pain and vitali martin now vitali martin now vitali martin now and i don't know if you've gotten to see and i don't know if you've gotten to see and i don't know if you've gotten to see his his video on my podcast but he does
19:00his his video on my podcast but he does his his video on my podcast but he does what's called breath work what's called breath work what's called breath work and i don't know if you've done breath and i don't know if you've done breath and i don't know if you've done breath work separate from wim hof work separate from wim hof work separate from wim hof but it does seem like but it does seem like but it does seem like as you were talking i was like this as you were talking i was like this as you were talking i was like this sounds very in line with what vitali sounds very in line with what vitali sounds very in line with what vitali does because we're actually gonna have does because we're actually gonna have does because we're actually gonna have some episodes come out where he does some episodes come out where he does some episodes come out where he does breath work i i interview the people breath work i i interview the people breath work i i interview the people with him and then with him and then with him and then he takes them through a breathing he takes them through a breathing he takes them through a breathing exercise and the breathing exercise and the breathing exercise and the breathing seems to bring on a stress response seems to bring on a stress response seems to bring on a stress response and then afterwards and then afterwards and then afterwards the people are like euphoric they've had the people are like euphoric they've had the people are like euphoric they've had some kind of some kind of some kind of altered experience so it's different altered experience so it's different altered experience so it's different than wim off but it has yes it has some than wim off but it has yes it has some than wim off but it has yes it has some overlap overlap overlap yeah and and it's different to how you yeah and and it's different to how you yeah and and it's different to how you train yourself to do this cold water train yourself to do this cold water train yourself to do this cold water thing it's another thing again about him thing it's another thing again about him thing it's another thing again about him being able to do these incredible things being able to do these incredible things being able to do these incredible things like um he he went up mount everest to like um he he went up mount everest to like um he he went up mount everest to the death zone like 7 500 meters the death zone like 7 500 meters the death zone like 7 500 meters wearing nothing but shorts and shoes wearing nothing but shorts and shoes wearing nothing but shorts and shoes um he um um he um um he um he he ran a full marathon in
20:00he he ran a full marathon in he he ran a full marathon in temperatures close to minus 20 degrees temperatures close to minus 20 degrees temperatures close to minus 20 degrees celsius above the polar circle in celsius above the polar circle in celsius above the polar circle in finland just shirtless and you know in finland just shirtless and you know in finland just shirtless and you know in his in his shoes his in his shoes his in his shoes um he had an ice bath for an hour and 53 um he had an ice bath for an hour and 53 um he had an ice bath for an hour and 53 minutes which is a guinness book of minutes which is a guinness book of minutes which is a guinness book of records records records um um record of course and but so what they've record of course and but so what they've record of course and but so what they've done they've put they've done some a done they've put they've done some a done they've put they've done some a cool um study on him and the point that cool um study on him and the point that cool um study on him and the point that wynn would say is it's not him he's not wynn would say is it's not him he's not wynn would say is it's not him he's not an unusual individual he's trained other an unusual individual he's trained other an unusual individual he's trained other people to walk up kilimanjaro in shorts people to walk up kilimanjaro in shorts people to walk up kilimanjaro in shorts and and and exposed to cold and so it's and and and exposed to cold and so it's and and and exposed to cold and so it's a teachable skill a teachable skill a teachable skill but of course he's developed his over a but of course he's developed his over a but of course he's developed his over a longer time so he's kind of you know longer time so he's kind of you know longer time so he's kind of you know really good at it really good at it really good at it and what was really interesting about and what was really interesting about and what was really interesting about the breathing which is what i was coming the breathing which is what i was coming the breathing which is what i was coming to to to um they put him in a pet scan which um they put him in a pet scan which um they put him in a pet scan which looks at metabolic activity in your body looks at metabolic activity in your body looks at metabolic activity in your body and he did his breathing technique which and he did his breathing technique which and he did his breathing technique which i like like i said it's not his i like like i said it's not his i like like i said it's not his breathing technique it's it's a it's an breathing technique it's it's a it's an breathing technique it's it's a it's an ancient breathing technique
21:00ancient breathing technique ancient breathing technique an energetic breathing technique and an energetic breathing technique and an energetic breathing technique and what they noticed on the pet scan when what they noticed on the pet scan when what they noticed on the pet scan when they exposed him to cold water he was they exposed him to cold water he was they exposed him to cold water he was able to maintain his skin temperature at able to maintain his skin temperature at able to maintain his skin temperature at 34 degrees 34 degrees 34 degrees for 25 minutes when he was on in a cold for 25 minutes when he was on in a cold for 25 minutes when he was on in a cold water suit water suit water suit so he could consciously keep his skin so he could consciously keep his skin so he could consciously keep his skin temperature at 34 degrees when they put temperature at 34 degrees when they put temperature at 34 degrees when they put him in the suit and expose him to cold him in the suit and expose him to cold him in the suit and expose him to cold water and he didn't do the breathing and water and he didn't do the breathing and water and he didn't do the breathing and the meditation his skin temperature the meditation his skin temperature the meditation his skin temperature dropped like everybody's wood yeah but dropped like everybody's wood yeah but dropped like everybody's wood yeah but when he did the breathing and he's in when he did the breathing and he's in when he did the breathing and he's in the cold water suit and they got the pet the cold water suit and they got the pet the cold water suit and they got the pet scan on him they saw that there was this scan on him they saw that there was this scan on him they saw that there was this intense activity in his intercostal intense activity in his intercostal intense activity in his intercostal muscles muscles muscles around his ribs and this was generating around his ribs and this was generating around his ribs and this was generating lots and lots of heat which is where the lots and lots of heat which is where the lots and lots of heat which is where the lungs were and so it's like it was lungs were and so it's like it was lungs were and so it's like it was warming up his body from this warming up his body from this warming up his body from this intercostal activity that had been fired intercostal activity that had been fired intercostal activity that had been fired up by the breathing he'd done in up by the breathing he'd done in up by the breathing he'd done in preparation preparation preparation and that energy that was stored up and and that energy that was stored up and and that energy that was stored up and generated in his intercostal muscles was generated in his intercostal muscles was generated in his intercostal muscles was being released and he was able to
22:00being released and he was able to being released and he was able to maintain his body temperature despite maintain his body temperature despite maintain his body temperature despite being in cold for 25 minutes so this and being in cold for 25 minutes so this and being in cold for 25 minutes so this and this also has a lot of overlap with what this also has a lot of overlap with what this also has a lot of overlap with what i do because i i think when i help i do because i i think when i help i do because i i think when i help people change their mindset people change their mindset people change their mindset um i do think that that allows them to um i do think that that allows them to um i do think that that allows them to gain control gain control gain control over bodily experience same thing over bodily experience same thing over bodily experience same thing happens in biofeedback and in another happens in biofeedback and in another happens in biofeedback and in another way so we're finding lots of different way so we're finding lots of different way so we're finding lots of different ways ways ways to be able to control the bodily to be able to control the bodily to be able to control the bodily experience the question i had with wim experience the question i had with wim experience the question i had with wim hof hof hof and your experience with this is and your experience with this is and your experience with this is what's what's what's what is required of the practice to be what is required of the practice to be what is required of the practice to be able to to utilize able to to utilize able to to utilize that uh that uh that uh and i'm gonna put out another question and i'm gonna put out another question and i'm gonna put out another question just because i want to get it out there just because i want to get it out there just because i want to get it out there for while i'm thinking about it for while i'm thinking about it for while i'm thinking about it does does the fact that he can alter his does does the fact that he can alter his does does the fact that he can alter his his skin temperature does it protect him his skin temperature does it protect him his skin temperature does it protect him from actual hypothermia because from actual hypothermia because from actual hypothermia because yeah so he maintains his core yeah so he maintains his core yeah so he maintains his core temperature yeah and and his skin though
23:00temperature yeah and and his skin though temperature yeah and and his skin though they're measuring both um they're measuring both um they're measuring both um and but the first thing that changes in and but the first thing that changes in and but the first thing that changes in cold is your skin temperature goes down cold is your skin temperature goes down cold is your skin temperature goes down first and eventually it's your core first and eventually it's your core first and eventually it's your core temperature temperature temperature so so um yes he was able to overcome he was um yes he was able to overcome he was um yes he was able to overcome he was able to able to able to to manipulate his autonomic nervous to manipulate his autonomic nervous to manipulate his autonomic nervous system so that it didn't react too cold system so that it didn't react too cold system so that it didn't react too cold in the normal way he could maintain body in the normal way he could maintain body in the normal way he could maintain body temperature through conscious control temperature through conscious control temperature through conscious control which was thought to never be possible which was thought to never be possible which was thought to never be possible that people could consciously control that people could consciously control that people could consciously control their body temperature their body temperature their body temperature um um and it it's a combination so they put and it it's a combination so they put and it it's a combination so they put monks in who do meditative practice into monks in who do meditative practice into monks in who do meditative practice into these cold water suits and they couldn't these cold water suits and they couldn't these cold water suits and they couldn't maintain maintain maintain their temperature so it's the mindset their temperature so it's the mindset their temperature so it's the mindset it's the breath it's everything combined it's the breath it's everything combined it's the breath it's everything combined it's not one element or the other but i it's not one element or the other but i it's not one element or the other but i think what i get from what he talks think what i get from what he talks think what i get from what he talks about is that he would say that the about is that he would say that the about is that he would say that the limit is not our bodies it's our minds limit is not our bodies it's our minds limit is not our bodies it's our minds and and and and and and and what sort of speaks to your work is and what sort of speaks to your work is and what sort of speaks to your work is that by by overcoming through a process
24:00that by by overcoming through a process that by by overcoming through a process of cold water exposure and doing that of cold water exposure and doing that of cold water exposure and doing that working through that program which you working through that program which you working through that program which you can do with him can do with him can do with him you gain that sense of power you gain that sense of power you gain that sense of power um over your body um over your body um over your body and that can then translate into other and that can then translate into other and that can then translate into other areas of your life as well areas of your life as well areas of your life as well right i mean there's the phrase mind right i mean there's the phrase mind right i mean there's the phrase mind over matter which is it's as over matter which is it's as over matter which is it's as misunderstood as when people say pain is misunderstood as when people say pain is misunderstood as when people say pain is in your head in your head in your head it's not it's it's from your head and it's not it's it's from your head and it's not it's it's from your head and reel in your body and mind over matter reel in your body and mind over matter reel in your body and mind over matter the way i think about it is it's not the way i think about it is it's not the way i think about it is it's not that you that you that you matter is a certain way and you pretend matter is a certain way and you pretend matter is a certain way and you pretend it isn't it isn't it isn't no it's not it's that you use your mind no it's not it's that you use your mind no it's not it's that you use your mind to actually change matter to actually change matter to actually change matter that's right and and the fact that you that's right and and the fact that you that's right and and the fact that you can use your mind to change your can use your mind to change your can use your mind to change your physiology physiology physiology and i think also what he says he points and i think also what he says he points and i think also what he says he points out that we've become so out that we've become so out that we've become so uncomfortable with discomfort we've uncomfortable with discomfort we've uncomfortable with discomfort we've become so comfortable become so comfortable become so comfortable you know when you think of mammals and you know when you think of mammals and you know when you think of mammals and even humans it's only more in recent even humans it's only more in recent even humans it's only more in recent years that we've had central heating and
25:00years that we've had central heating and years that we've had central heating and air conditioning and mammals we are air conditioning and mammals we are air conditioning and mammals we are supposed to be able to regulate our body supposed to be able to regulate our body supposed to be able to regulate our body temperature that's what makes a mammal temperature that's what makes a mammal temperature that's what makes a mammal enamel and not a reptile and if you enamel and not a reptile and if you enamel and not a reptile and if you think all other mammals except the ones think all other mammals except the ones think all other mammals except the ones that we've domesticated and turned into that we've domesticated and turned into that we've domesticated and turned into the comfort of a human life the comfort of a human life the comfort of a human life they can cope with all those they can cope with all those they can cope with all those temperatures um sensations and temperatures um sensations and temperatures um sensations and variations and their body adapts so that variations and their body adapts so that variations and their body adapts so that they can tolerate that we've lost the they can tolerate that we've lost the they can tolerate that we've lost the ability ability ability to to regulate our bodies to changes in to to regulate our bodies to changes in to to regulate our bodies to changes in external temperature because we live in external temperature because we live in external temperature because we live in such comfort zones all the time as soon such comfort zones all the time as soon such comfort zones all the time as soon as we feel uncomfortable we don't rely as we feel uncomfortable we don't rely as we feel uncomfortable we don't rely on an internal system to sort that out on an internal system to sort that out on an internal system to sort that out we rely on an external we rely on an external we rely on an external fan or heater to to control our internal fan or heater to to control our internal fan or heater to to control our internal temperature and he's all about tapping temperature and he's all about tapping temperature and he's all about tapping into our own internal controls which we into our own internal controls which we into our own internal controls which we have but we've kind of forgotten how to have but we've kind of forgotten how to have but we've kind of forgotten how to use use use it's funny that you mentioned reptiles it's funny that you mentioned reptiles it's funny that you mentioned reptiles though because i was thinking as you though because i was thinking as you though because i was thinking as you were talking i was like wow if he can were talking i was like wow if he can were talking i was like wow if he can alter his skin temperature it's it's alter his skin temperature it's it's alter his skin temperature it's it's like a mammal like a mammal like a mammal being able to be a little reptilian
26:00being able to be a little reptilian being able to be a little reptilian and and of course we have the reptilian and and of course we have the reptilian and and of course we have the reptilian mind yeah the reptilian brain yeah but mind yeah the reptilian brain yeah but mind yeah the reptilian brain yeah but the problem is reptiles can't reptiles the problem is reptiles can't reptiles the problem is reptiles can't reptiles have to rely on going into the sun to have to rely on going into the sun to have to rely on going into the sun to warm up they have to use the external warm up they have to use the external warm up they have to use the external they have to do the opposite yeah yeah they have to do the opposite yeah yeah they have to do the opposite yeah yeah whereas mammals have the ability to whereas mammals have the ability to whereas mammals have the ability to regulate our temperature so we sweat we regulate our temperature so we sweat we regulate our temperature so we sweat we shiver we we can actually bring our shiver we we can actually bring our shiver we we can actually bring our temperature into homeostasis whereas temperature into homeostasis whereas temperature into homeostasis whereas reptiles can't they have to rely on reptiles can't they have to rely on reptiles can't they have to rely on getting themselves out in the sun or to getting themselves out in the sun or to getting themselves out in the sun or to warm up and and warm up and and warm up and and use the environment to warm up but we use the environment to warm up but we use the environment to warm up but we we've evolved the ability to do that but we've evolved the ability to do that but we've evolved the ability to do that but we've kind of lost it in modern life we've kind of lost it in modern life we've kind of lost it in modern life because we use fancy gadgets instead so because we use fancy gadgets instead so because we use fancy gadgets instead so what you're telling me is we need to what you're telling me is we need to what you're telling me is we need to develop some kind of treatment for develop some kind of treatment for develop some kind of treatment for iguanas where they can iguanas where they can iguanas where they can do some breathing do some breathing do some breathing and then yeah we need to do the reverse and then yeah we need to do the reverse and then yeah we need to do the reverse for reptiles so tell me earlier let's for reptiles so tell me earlier let's for reptiles so tell me earlier let's finish on this finish on this finish on this tell me a little bit about is there a tell me a little bit about is there a tell me a little bit about is there a daily practice a weekly practice what daily practice a weekly practice what daily practice a weekly practice what what's recommended or what have you what's recommended or what have you what's recommended or what have you found to be most useful found to be most useful found to be most useful yeah i think it depends on what someone
27:00yeah i think it depends on what someone yeah i think it depends on what someone needs from it so i person so for some needs from it so i person so for some needs from it so i person so for some people they need to have this um people they need to have this um people they need to have this um cold water exposure in their shoulders cold water exposure in their shoulders cold water exposure in their shoulders in their shoulder in their shower every in their shoulder in their shower every in their shoulder in their shower every day because it really sets them up it day because it really sets them up it day because it really sets them up it gets the feel-good factors released in gets the feel-good factors released in gets the feel-good factors released in their body and it helps them cope with their body and it helps them cope with their body and it helps them cope with the day and they find it a really the day and they find it a really the day and they find it a really helpful daily mechanism to do helpful daily mechanism to do helpful daily mechanism to do for me personally i don't need that in for me personally i don't need that in for me personally i don't need that in my life currently but what i've used it my life currently but what i've used it my life currently but what i've used it for is to get me to the point where now for is to get me to the point where now for is to get me to the point where now i can go wild swimming and enjoy it so i can go wild swimming and enjoy it so i can go wild swimming and enjoy it so it's been for me a training process for it's been for me a training process for it's been for me a training process for me to completely overcome my cold water me to completely overcome my cold water me to completely overcome my cold water aversion and completely prove that my aversion and completely prove that my aversion and completely prove that my raynaud's is definitely not here anymore raynaud's is definitely not here anymore raynaud's is definitely not here anymore and it's allowed me now to get to where and it's allowed me now to get to where and it's allowed me now to get to where i wanted to get was which was to enjoy i wanted to get was which was to enjoy i wanted to get was which was to enjoy swimming in the cold water outdoors in swimming in the cold water outdoors in swimming in the cold water outdoors in britain you know um through this summer britain you know um through this summer britain you know um through this summer and now i've done this through the and now i've done this through the and now i've done this through the summer so i haven't had a winter doing summer so i haven't had a winter doing summer so i haven't had a winter doing this yet but i'm thinking i'm going to this yet but i'm thinking i'm going to this yet but i'm thinking i'm going to be doing this in the summer and be doing this in the summer and be doing this in the summer and ultimately i want to be able to continue
28:00ultimately i want to be able to continue ultimately i want to be able to continue it through the winter it through the winter it through the winter as well so for me it's been to do the as well so for me it's been to do the as well so for me it's been to do the swimming but for other people there's swimming but for other people there's swimming but for other people there's definite health benefits that been shown definite health benefits that been shown definite health benefits that been shown from the daily cold water exposure with from the daily cold water exposure with from the daily cold water exposure with you know using this method in a way it's you know using this method in a way it's you know using this method in a way it's no point you won't get benefit from cold no point you won't get benefit from cold no point you won't get benefit from cold water exposure if you're in there water exposure if you're in there water exposure if you're in there screaming for 30 seconds screaming for 30 seconds screaming for 30 seconds there's no benefit to that there's no benefit to that there's no benefit to that [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] so it's been able to so it's been able to so it's been able to to have the cold water exposure and to have the cold water exposure and to have the cold water exposure and regulate your breath and then get the regulate your breath and then get the regulate your breath and then get the benefit this is actually making me think benefit this is actually making me think benefit this is actually making me think about exposure therapy about exposure therapy about exposure therapy there needs to be a balance if you just there needs to be a balance if you just there needs to be a balance if you just expose expose expose yes but it's a horrific experience yes but it's a horrific experience yes but it's a horrific experience that's just re-traumatizing it doesn't that's just re-traumatizing it doesn't that's just re-traumatizing it doesn't that doesn't do anything that doesn't do anything that doesn't do anything no this is a this is a method that no this is a this is a method that no this is a this is a method that allows you to to um allows you to to um allows you to to um sink into it in the right way with the sink into it in the right way with the sink into it in the right way with the right balance right balance right balance and get you to a calming place as and get you to a calming place as and get you to a calming place as opposed to freaking out so opposed to freaking out so opposed to freaking out so um um i wanted to ask about your reynolds also i wanted to ask about your reynolds also i wanted to ask about your reynolds also when you is it
29:00when you is it when you is it is it totally gone like you never have is it totally gone like you never have is it totally gone like you never have that experience anymore or is it that experience anymore or is it that experience anymore or is it it it you can control it what's the i haven't you can control it what's the i haven't you can control it what's the i haven't had it yet i get like the normal when had it yet i get like the normal when had it yet i get like the normal when you go into cold you get cold hands and you go into cold you get cold hands and you go into cold you get cold hands and feet but that's not rain feet but that's not rain feet but that's not rain but so but so but so i i would have normally got it just in i i would have normally got it just in i i would have normally got it just in these conditions you know when i go into these conditions you know when i go into these conditions you know when i go into cold water now but i don't but cold water now but i don't but cold water now but i don't but ultimately if i can wild swim in winter ultimately if i can wild swim in winter ultimately if i can wild swim in winter in in britain and still not get it well in in britain and still not get it well in in britain and still not get it well then that's it it's not here again but i then that's it it's not here again but i then that's it it's not here again but i have not experienced it since i worked have not experienced it since i worked have not experienced it since i worked on it and on it and on it and and that's why i wanted to do the cold and that's why i wanted to do the cold and that's why i wanted to do the cold water exposure to really still you know water exposure to really still you know water exposure to really still you know prove to myself i still don't have it prove to myself i still don't have it prove to myself i still don't have it and there's no reason why i will ever and there's no reason why i will ever and there's no reason why i will ever get it again now that i've you know get it again now that i've you know get it again now that i've you know changed the imprint on my nervous system changed the imprint on my nervous system changed the imprint on my nervous system which is what caused it in the first which is what caused it in the first which is what caused it in the first place and one thing i was thinking about place and one thing i was thinking about place and one thing i was thinking about is it is it is it whatever the method is that allows you whatever the method is that allows you whatever the method is that allows you to to feel safe and and feel safe and and feel safe and and uh have efficacy and feel like you can uh have efficacy and feel like you can uh have efficacy and feel like you can do it do it do it do all kinds of different things
30:00do all kinds of different things do all kinds of different things it's breaking through to a new you it's breaking through to a new you it's breaking through to a new you and and i wanted to just ask how do you feel i wanted to just ask how do you feel i wanted to just ask how do you feel about the new you after this happened about the new you after this happened about the new you after this happened how has it changed you how has it changed you how has it changed you kind of more globally kind of more globally kind of more globally yeah well yeah well yeah well more globally i i never whinge about the more globally i i never whinge about the more globally i i never whinge about the cold i i'm i'm less um bothered by the cold i i'm i'm less um bothered by the cold i i'm i'm less um bothered by the weather and the cold i just i can weather and the cold i just i can weather and the cold i just i can tolerate my capacity to tolerate cold tolerate my capacity to tolerate cold tolerate my capacity to tolerate cold weather is just weather is just weather is just much greater and it also has opened up much greater and it also has opened up much greater and it also has opened up the opportunity to enjoy outdoor the opportunity to enjoy outdoor the opportunity to enjoy outdoor swimming as an australian i love outdoor swimming as an australian i love outdoor swimming as an australian i love outdoor swimming and i haven't been able to do swimming and i haven't been able to do swimming and i haven't been able to do that in this country because it's been that in this country because it's been that in this country because it's been too cold and now i feel like i can too cold and now i feel like i can too cold and now i feel like i can reconnect to something i used to love to reconnect to something i used to love to reconnect to something i used to love to do and i can do it in the current do and i can do it in the current do and i can do it in the current environment i'm living in in britain environment i'm living in in britain environment i'm living in in britain that's really interesting it's like you that's really interesting it's like you that's really interesting it's like you you've you've brought a piece of home you've you've brought a piece of home you've you've brought a piece of home from the outside from the outside from the outside into your internal experience well into your internal experience well into your internal experience well earlier i'm i'm i'm so glad you came earlier i'm i'm i'm so glad you came earlier i'm i'm i'm so glad you came back on to talk about this and i was back on to talk about this and i was
31:00back on to talk about this and i was really interested to hear more so thank really interested to hear more so thank really interested to hear more so thank you for sharing you for sharing you for sharing and we will we'll keep in touch this is and we will we'll keep in touch this is and we will we'll keep in touch this is this is fantastic and uh i i feel like i this is fantastic and uh i i feel like i this is fantastic and uh i i feel like i should apologize for taking a hot shower should apologize for taking a hot shower should apologize for taking a hot shower before this this interview before this this interview before this this interview i'll work on the cold aspect uh and i'll work on the cold aspect uh and i'll work on the cold aspect uh and maybe i don't need to just go to the maybe i don't need to just go to the maybe i don't need to just go to the ocean to get that so ocean to get that so ocean to get that so cold showers are coming cold showers are coming cold showers are coming that's it and enjoy that's it and enjoy that's it and enjoy all right thank you nice screaming no all right thank you nice screaming no all right thank you nice screaming no screaming no i gotta get to a point screaming no i gotta get to a point screaming no i gotta get to a point where it's genuine no screaming genuine where it's genuine no screaming genuine where it's genuine no screaming genuine no screaming yeah all right thanks early thank you this was fascinating to get to hear this was fascinating to get to hear eerily's experience with the wim hof eerily's experience with the wim hof eerily's experience with the wim hof method method and i think you can see that i was just and i think you can see that i was just and i think you can see that i was just kind of moving through different levels kind of moving through different levels kind of moving through different levels of curiosity about things it really of curiosity about things it really of curiosity about things it really wasn't planned out i just was curious wasn't planned out i just was curious wasn't planned out i just was curious what what about this what about my um what what about this what about my um what what about this what about my um swimming in the ocean what about the swimming in the ocean what about the swimming in the ocean what about the breath work uh stuff that i do with breath work uh stuff that i do with breath work uh stuff that i do with vitale vitale vitale and i liked how it all flowed together
32:00and i liked how it all flowed together and i liked how it all flowed together it helps us to see that it helps us to see that it helps us to see that as you master things in your mind and as you master things in your mind and as you master things in your mind and feel in a genuinely good place about feel in a genuinely good place about feel in a genuinely good place about things things things everything changes from there everything changes from there everything changes from there if you haven't already click subscribe if you haven't already click subscribe if you haven't already click subscribe ring the bell for notifications hit like ring the bell for notifications hit like ring the bell for notifications hit like if you like what you're hearing and put if you like what you're hearing and put if you like what you're hearing and put your comments below and we'll get back your comments below and we'll get back your comments below and we'll get back to you personally [Music] [Music] you