Unlocking the Benefits of Infrared Saunas: A Deep Dive into Technology and Wellness - Full Transcript

00:00[Music] hello it's Alex here from Alex fingers hello it's Alex here from Alex fingers calm now I'm sitting here in my office calm now I'm sitting here in my office calm now I'm sitting here in my office as I'm about to jump on a call with as I'm about to jump on a call with as I'm about to jump on a call with Kevin Halsey the founder of Sunstream Kevin Halsey the founder of Sunstream Kevin Halsey the founder of Sunstream soreness now over the last few weeks soreness now over the last few weeks soreness now over the last few weeks I've been doing a lot of research on I've been doing a lot of research on I've been doing a lot of research on infrared saunas and as a result of put infrared saunas and as a result of put infrared saunas and as a result of put out some blog articles and fruits on a out some blog articles and fruits on a out some blog articles and fruits on a buyer's guide I'll put out a lot of buyer's guide I'll put out a lot of buyer's guide I'll put out a lot of videos as well and I've learned a lot videos as well and I've learned a lot videos as well and I've learned a lot you know I've tested a lot of saunas you know I've tested a lot of saunas you know I've tested a lot of saunas I've done something with Paris inns and I've done something with Paris inns and I've done something with Paris inns and I've taken a rather deep dive into the I've taken a rather deep dive into the I've taken a rather deep dive into the world of it for its smallness and part world of it for its smallness and part world of it for its smallness and part of this research during this research of this research during this research of this research during this research process I am NOT talking to kibun by process I am NOT talking to kibun by process I am NOT talking to kibun by email and I realized pretty soon that he email and I realized pretty soon that he email and I realized pretty soon that he knew a lot not only about that and for knew a lot not only about that and for knew a lot not only about that and for its own industry but about the its own industry but about the its own industry but about the technology the engineering the science technology the engineering the science technology the engineering the science behind and for its honest and I thought behind and for its honest and I thought behind and for its honest and I thought to myself you know either I publish all to myself you know either I publish all to myself you know either I publish all these emails or we jump on a call I

01:00these emails or we jump on a call I these emails or we jump on a call I record the video and share the record the video and share the record the video and share the conversation with you guys because yeah conversation with you guys because yeah conversation with you guys because yeah he's gotten a lot of knowledge and if he's gotten a lot of knowledge and if he's gotten a lot of knowledge and if you're if you've got a question about you're if you've got a question about you're if you've got a question about infrared saunas or you're looking at infrared saunas or you're looking at infrared saunas or you're looking at buying one or you're wondering you know buying one or you're wondering you know buying one or you're wondering you know why I'm for it sauna vs. dry saunas or why I'm for it sauna vs. dry saunas or why I'm for it sauna vs. dry saunas or why sunshine so on is versus a why sunshine so on is versus a why sunshine so on is versus a competitor's product then you're gonna competitor's product then you're gonna competitor's product then you're gonna love this video because we're going to love this video because we're going to love this video because we're going to touch on a bunch of topics such as why touch on a bunch of topics such as why touch on a bunch of topics such as why full-spectrum saunas may not be ideal full-spectrum saunas may not be ideal full-spectrum saunas may not be ideal and you may not want to use them how and you may not want to use them how and you may not want to use them how fire for insulin is work the what what fire for insulin is work the what what fire for insulin is work the what what to look for when you're buying it to look for when you're buying it to look for when you're buying it infrared sauna on EMF levels we talk infrared sauna on EMF levels we talk infrared sauna on EMF levels we talk about a bunch of things and I've got a about a bunch of things and I've got a about a bunch of things and I've got a list of topics here and I can't wait to list of topics here and I can't wait to list of topics here and I can't wait to get into them so sit back relax enjoy get into them so sit back relax enjoy get into them so sit back relax enjoy the show and I should mention as well the show and I should mention as well the show and I should mention as well make sure this is there on to the end make sure this is there on to the end make sure this is there on to the end because Kevin does share a pretty cool because Kevin does share a pretty cool because Kevin does share a pretty cool special deal with all you folks so yeah special deal with all you folks so yeah special deal with all you folks so yeah just know we'll be revealed at the end just know we'll be revealed at the end just know we'll be revealed at the end all right enjoy all right hello given

02:00all right enjoy all right hello given all right enjoy all right hello given thank you for taking the time to jump on thank you for taking the time to jump on thank you for taking the time to jump on this call how are you going today yeah this call how are you going today yeah this call how are you going today yeah doing good thank you Alex doing good thank you Alex doing good thank you Alex thank you very thinking the time to meet thank you very thinking the time to meet thank you very thinking the time to meet with me here vias with me here vias with me here vias and yeah it's good to take place they and yeah it's good to take place they and yeah it's good to take place they stood finally talk to you stood finally talk to you stood finally talk to you virtually likewise and I know already virtually likewise and I know already virtually likewise and I know already I'm excited for this Cole because I'm I'm excited for this Cole because I'm I'm excited for this Cole because I'm looking around your sit up there not looking around your sit up there not looking around your sit up there not only do you have a couple saunas but I only do you have a couple saunas but I only do you have a couple saunas but I can see a bunch of heater panels and can see a bunch of heater panels and can see a bunch of heater panels and various technology do so I'm looking various technology do so I'm looking various technology do so I'm looking forward to going into until all these forward to going into until all these forward to going into until all these things in front of you and I must say um things in front of you and I must say um things in front of you and I must say um I mean of course I have one of your I mean of course I have one of your I mean of course I have one of your saunas and I've been using it for a saunas and I've been using it for a saunas and I've been using it for a while now and as anyone that's been while now and as anyone that's been while now and as anyone that's been following my work and my videos and following my work and my videos and following my work and my videos and blogs will know I'm very impressed about blogs will know I'm very impressed about blogs will know I'm very impressed about the product you've created but I'm also the product you've created but I'm also the product you've created but I'm also very impressed with your expertise on very impressed with your expertise on very impressed with your expertise on not only infrared saunas but you know not only infrared saunas but you know not only infrared saunas but you know engineering the low EMF panels things

03:00engineering the low EMF panels things engineering the low EMF panels things like toxins in the wood and stuff like like toxins in the wood and stuff like like toxins in the wood and stuff like that so today's cool I really want to that so today's cool I really want to that so today's cool I really want to tap into that knowledge base of yours tap into that knowledge base of yours tap into that knowledge base of yours and unlock some of these these knowledge and unlock some of these these knowledge and unlock some of these these knowledge bombs that you have shared with me over bombs that you have shared with me over bombs that you have shared with me over email and hopefully we can help inform email and hopefully we can help inform email and hopefully we can help inform and educate a few of the readers and and educate a few of the readers and and educate a few of the readers and listeners out there today um so first listeners out there today um so first listeners out there today um so first things first how did you get into the things first how did you get into the things first how did you get into the infrared sauna industry what's your infrared sauna industry what's your infrared sauna industry what's your background you know how did you get to background you know how did you get to background you know how did you get to where you are today I first learned of where you are today I first learned of where you are today I first learned of anybody that's John Klein and a variety anybody that's John Klein and a variety anybody that's John Klein and a variety of health problems of health problems of health problems I wanted the test that dr. Klein did for I wanted the test that dr. Klein did for I wanted the test that dr. Klein did for me was heavy-metal testing and I came me was heavy-metal testing and I came me was heavy-metal testing and I came back with pretty high levels of lead back with pretty high levels of lead back with pretty high levels of lead mercury and arsenic he had an infrared mercury and arsenic he had an infrared mercury and arsenic he had an infrared sauna in his clinic so he had a lot of sauna in his clinic so he had a lot of sauna in his clinic so he had a lot of his patients using the infrared sauna his patients using the infrared sauna his patients using the infrared sauna regularly along with a number of other

04:00regularly along with a number of other regularly along with a number of other complimentary nutritional supplements complimentary nutritional supplements complimentary nutritional supplements other great stuff you can do to be other great stuff you can do to be other great stuff you can do to be talking heavy metals but the infrared talking heavy metals but the infrared talking heavy metals but the infrared sauna was certainly a core part of that sauna was certainly a core part of that sauna was certainly a core part of that program program program and because it was two hours away I and because it was two hours away I and because it was two hours away I decided to get an infrared sauna for decided to get an infrared sauna for decided to get an infrared sauna for myself there was only 2 grams of myself there was only 2 grams of myself there was only 2 grams of infrared saunas available in the infrared saunas available in the infrared saunas available in the marketplace at that time marketplace at that time marketplace at that time and a bit of a light bulb went off for and a bit of a light bulb went off for and a bit of a light bulb went off for me I thought there would be a need for me I thought there would be a need for me I thought there would be a need for this and the folks would want to be this and the folks would want to be this and the folks would want to be trying it out so I initially set up a trying it out so I initially set up a trying it out so I initially set up a centre here in Victoria BC where folks centre here in Victoria BC where folks centre here in Victoria BC where folks to come around and use the infrared to come around and use the infrared to come around and use the infrared sauna and of course I was using it sauna and of course I was using it sauna and of course I was using it myself as well we did very well it was myself as well we did very well it was myself as well we did very well it was pretty much an overnight success just pretty much an overnight success just pretty much an overnight success just with some simple advertising and with some simple advertising and with some simple advertising and connecting with local naturopaths here connecting with local naturopaths here connecting with local naturopaths here in Victoria we immediately had people in Victoria we immediately had people in Victoria we immediately had people coming around who were keen to be doing coming around who were keen to be doing coming around who were keen to be doing sweat detoxing why infrared saunas ah I

05:00sweat detoxing why infrared saunas ah I sweat detoxing why infrared saunas ah I mean did you look at steam saunas dry mean did you look at steam saunas dry mean did you look at steam saunas dry sauna is what I know I know the could sauna is what I know I know the could sauna is what I know I know the could the doctor you're working with headed the doctor you're working with headed the doctor you're working with headed them for it's on it but when you started them for it's on it but when you started them for it's on it but when you started getting into this from a business point getting into this from a business point getting into this from a business point of view why why do you sit over with of view why why do you sit over with of view why why do you sit over with them for it's honest you know a big them for it's honest you know a big them for it's honest you know a big appeal of inference on us is that so appeal of inference on us is that so appeal of inference on us is that so many more people can use them there many more people can use them there many more people can use them there they're so much more comfortable than they're so much more comfortable than they're so much more comfortable than the traditional hot rock sauna the traditional hot rock sauna the traditional hot rock sauna the traditional hot rock saunas that the traditional hot rock saunas that the traditional hot rock saunas that have air temperatures of a hundred and have air temperatures of a hundred and have air temperatures of a hundred and eighty perhaps all the way up to 220 eighty perhaps all the way up to 220 eighty perhaps all the way up to 220 degrees are quite an endurance test a degrees are quite an endurance test a degrees are quite an endurance test a lot of folks have difficulty staying and lot of folks have difficulty staying and lot of folks have difficulty staying and a hotrod sauna a lot of people feel a hotrod sauna a lot of people feel a hotrod sauna a lot of people feel quite fatigued after being in a hot rock quite fatigued after being in a hot rock quite fatigued after being in a hot rock sauna where's the infrared saunas we're sauna where's the infrared saunas we're sauna where's the infrared saunas we're heating you with the infrared radiant heating you with the infrared radiant heating you with the infrared radiant heat and the air temperatures are much heat and the air temperatures are much heat and the air temperatures are much lower there certainly there still is lower there certainly there still is lower there certainly there still is some air temperature and an infrared

06:00some air temperature and an infrared some air temperature and an infrared sauna there combination we call them sauna there combination we call them sauna there combination we call them infrared saunas but it is a combination infrared saunas but it is a combination infrared saunas but it is a combination of both the radiant infrared heat along of both the radiant infrared heat along of both the radiant infrared heat along with a certain level of required air with a certain level of required air with a certain level of required air temperature those two things working temperature those two things working temperature those two things working together to get you sweating and really this is perhaps the number one really this is perhaps the number one reason why they become so popular is reason why they become so popular is reason why they become so popular is that there's so much more comfortable so that there's so much more comfortable so that there's so much more comfortable so much more easy to tolerate more people much more easy to tolerate more people much more easy to tolerate more people can use them you can stay in longer that can use them you can stay in longer that can use them you can stay in longer that that's for certain in an infrared sauna that's for certain in an infrared sauna that's for certain in an infrared sauna and a lot of people will feel and a lot of people will feel and a lot of people will feel revitalized refreshed after using IR revitalized refreshed after using IR revitalized refreshed after using IR sauna in comparison with using the hot sauna in comparison with using the hot sauna in comparison with using the hot rock sauna rock sauna rock sauna there's a couple other you know critical there's a couple other you know critical there's a couple other you know critical things about the IR saunas critical things about the IR saunas critical things about the IR saunas critical differences they use about half the differences they use about half the differences they use about half the electricity of a hot rock sauna so electricity of a hot rock sauna so electricity of a hot rock sauna so forgiving size sauna room literally you

07:00forgiving size sauna room literally you forgiving size sauna room literally you can use half the electricity to get a can use half the electricity to get a can use half the electricity to get a person sweating using radiant infrared person sweating using radiant infrared person sweating using radiant infrared technology versus using the conventional technology versus using the conventional technology versus using the conventional heat technology where you have just a heat technology where you have just a heat technology where you have just a single heat source a heater typically single heat source a heater typically single heat source a heater typically sitting in one corner of the room with sitting in one corner of the room with sitting in one corner of the room with an electrical element and the hot rut an electrical element and the hot rut an electrical element and the hot rut the rocks on top that get heated up and the rocks on top that get heated up and the rocks on top that get heated up and then heat the air that takes literally then heat the air that takes literally then heat the air that takes literally double the electricity to get people double the electricity to get people double the electricity to get people sweating and the hot rocks on it sweating and the hot rocks on it sweating and the hot rocks on it compared to the infrared sauna I think compared to the infrared sauna I think compared to the infrared sauna I think that's why inference on has become so that's why inference on has become so that's why inference on has become so popular they're just so much more popular they're just so much more popular they're just so much more comfortable half the electricity and the comfortable half the electricity and the comfortable half the electricity and the initial outlay is is usually initial outlay is is usually initial outlay is is usually significantly less as well bring in significantly less as well bring in significantly less as well bring in threads on and perhaps just half of what threads on and perhaps just half of what threads on and perhaps just half of what you might spend on a full on hot rock you might spend on a full on hot rock you might spend on a full on hot rock sauna that is a much heavier bill sauna that is a much heavier bill sauna that is a much heavier bill structure with thicker walls and structure with thicker walls and structure with thicker walls and insulation and just more involved all

08:00insulation and just more involved all insulation and just more involved all around yeah because I know people that around yeah because I know people that around yeah because I know people that have used the dry stories you know the have used the dry stories you know the have used the dry stories you know the really high heats one is maybe four really high heats one is maybe four really high heats one is maybe four years or you know certain period and years or you know certain period and years or you know certain period and then they get in and then four it's on then they get in and then four it's on then they get in and then four it's on it a lot of them initially think oh this it a lot of them initially think oh this it a lot of them initially think oh this is this is easy it's not very hot yeah I is this is easy it's not very hot yeah I is this is easy it's not very hot yeah I like this is comfortable but then they like this is comfortable but then they like this is comfortable but then they soon notice that they start sweating soon notice that they start sweating soon notice that they start sweating within minutes and often I've heard yeah within minutes and often I've heard yeah within minutes and often I've heard yeah remarks me people say I think I feel remarks me people say I think I feel remarks me people say I think I feel like I sweat more infrared sauna despite like I sweat more infrared sauna despite like I sweat more infrared sauna despite the temperature being so much lower than the temperature being so much lower than the temperature being so much lower than they would and you know I this one is they would and you know I this one is they would and you know I this one is and I don't know if there's a way to and I don't know if there's a way to and I don't know if there's a way to quantify that or not but it is quantify that or not but it is quantify that or not but it is interesting to hear so what's going on interesting to hear so what's going on interesting to hear so what's going on there if it's not if it's not the high there if it's not if it's not the high there if it's not if it's not the high heat environment that's causing the heat environment that's causing the heat environment that's causing the sweat you know how come people are sweat you know how come people are sweat you know how come people are sweating so so you know wrath is so fast sweating so so you know wrath is so fast sweating so so you know wrath is so fast when they're sitting at every sauna when they're sitting at every sauna when they're sitting at every sauna despite the temperature being so much despite the temperature being so much despite the temperature being so much lower what's the theory one of the lower what's the theory one of the lower what's the theory one of the technology at play there well one thing technology at play there well one thing technology at play there well one thing of course is that with the infrared

09:00of course is that with the infrared of course is that with the infrared sauna being more comfortable you can sauna being more comfortable you can sauna being more comfortable you can stay in longer so if you can just stay in longer so if you can just stay in longer so if you can just tolerate 10 or 15 minutes and the hot tolerate 10 or 15 minutes and the hot tolerate 10 or 15 minutes and the hot rocks on and then you're done versus the rocks on and then you're done versus the rocks on and then you're done versus the infrared sauna the radiant heat is so infrared sauna the radiant heat is so infrared sauna the radiant heat is so much more comfortable versus that 200 much more comfortable versus that 200 much more comfortable versus that 200 degree air temperature and the hot rocks degree air temperature and the hot rocks degree air temperature and the hot rocks sauna so just by the fact that you can sauna so just by the fact that you can sauna so just by the fact that you can stay in longer you're going to produce stay in longer you're going to produce stay in longer you're going to produce or sweat but when we you know dig into or sweat but when we you know dig into or sweat but when we you know dig into the physics of it I suppose the far the physics of it I suppose the far the physics of it I suppose the far infrared that most of these heaters in infrared that most of these heaters in infrared that most of these heaters in front of me here are far infrared front of me here are far infrared front of me here are far infrared heaters and far infrared is absorbed heaters and far infrared is absorbed heaters and far infrared is absorbed really well by water starting at the really well by water starting at the really well by water starting at the three micron point which is the three micron point which is the three micron point which is the beginning on the light spectrum of far beginning on the light spectrum of far beginning on the light spectrum of far infrared starting at the three micron infrared starting at the three micron infrared starting at the three micron point that's where water really kind of point that's where water really kind of point that's where water really kind of it reaches a peak I'd looked at graphs

10:00it reaches a peak I'd looked at graphs it reaches a peak I'd looked at graphs that show you the how water the that show you the how water the that show you the how water the efficiency at which water is absorbing efficiency at which water is absorbing efficiency at which water is absorbing different forms of radiation there's a different forms of radiation there's a different forms of radiation there's a peak at 3 microns and then it kind of peak at 3 microns and then it kind of peak at 3 microns and then it kind of levels out from there continues to levels out from there continues to levels out from there continues to absorb really well onward into the absorb really well onward into the absorb really well onward into the longer wavelengths far infrared so our longer wavelengths far infrared so our longer wavelengths far infrared so our skin is 80% water far infrared skin is 80% water far infrared skin is 80% water far infrared being absorbed really well by water is being absorbed really well by water is being absorbed really well by water is penetrates our skin and our skin penetrates our skin and our skin penetrates our skin and our skin apparently is one to four millimeters in apparently is one to four millimeters in apparently is one to four millimeters in different parts of our body at water different parts of our body at water different parts of our body at water content 80% water in our skin is content 80% water in our skin is content 80% water in our skin is absorbing the far infrared heat that's absorbing the far infrared heat that's absorbing the far infrared heat that's being put out by these different heaters being put out by these different heaters being put out by these different heaters and absorption is the criteria for and absorption is the criteria for and absorption is the criteria for generating heat when we think of light generating heat when we think of light generating heat when we think of light and this goes back to high school

11:00and this goes back to high school and this goes back to high school physics class I suppose you know all physics class I suppose you know all physics class I suppose you know all light is either going to be reflected light is either going to be reflected light is either going to be reflected off an object when it hits it off an object when it hits it off an object when it hits it transmitted through that object or will transmitted through that object or will transmitted through that object or will be absorbed if it's absorbed then heat be absorbed if it's absorbed then heat be absorbed if it's absorbed then heat is created and so again far infrared is created and so again far infrared is created and so again far infrared just has this property of being really just has this property of being really just has this property of being really well absorbed by the water in our skin well absorbed by the water in our skin well absorbed by the water in our skin and then and generating heat it does go and then and generating heat it does go and then and generating heat it does go down to deeper levels so the initial down to deeper levels so the initial down to deeper levels so the initial penetration if you like is into the skin penetration if you like is into the skin penetration if you like is into the skin creating heat and then that heat will be creating heat and then that heat will be creating heat and then that heat will be drawn down deeper into muscles and drawn down deeper into muscles and drawn down deeper into muscles and joints just through conduction through joints just through conduction through joints just through conduction through blood and through muscle etc so there is blood and through muscle etc so there is blood and through muscle etc so there is a deeper heat with far infrared this a deeper heat with far infrared this a deeper heat with far infrared this trust tremendously with what happens in trust tremendously with what happens in trust tremendously with what happens in the hot rock sauna where the hot air is the hot rock sauna where the hot air is the hot rock sauna where the hot air is just there in contact with the surface

12:00just there in contact with the surface just there in contact with the surface of your skin you know hot air doesn't of your skin you know hot air doesn't of your skin you know hot air doesn't have this absorption underneath our skin have this absorption underneath our skin have this absorption underneath our skin it doesn't have any penetration so it's it doesn't have any penetration so it's it doesn't have any penetration so it's heating the surface of your skin again heating the surface of your skin again heating the surface of your skin again some you know must be drawn in through some you know must be drawn in through some you know must be drawn in through conduction but you don't get that conduction but you don't get that conduction but you don't get that initial penetration below the skin into initial penetration below the skin into initial penetration below the skin into the water of our skin that that just the water of our skin that that just the water of our skin that that just makes the far-infrared a more efficient makes the far-infrared a more efficient makes the far-infrared a more efficient heat delivery system yeah heat delivery system yeah heat delivery system yeah at the at the real and most simplistic at the at the real and most simplistic at the at the real and most simplistic terms far infrared saunas are just a terms far infrared saunas are just a terms far infrared saunas are just a very efficient heat delivery system yeah very efficient heat delivery system yeah very efficient heat delivery system yeah right that's that's really interesting right that's that's really interesting right that's that's really interesting and I hadn't I hadn't really thought of and I hadn't I hadn't really thought of and I hadn't I hadn't really thought of it that way but I guess then what that it that way but I guess then what that it that way but I guess then what that means is if someone isn't it and for in means is if someone isn't it and for in means is if someone isn't it and for in sauna they they want to maximize their sauna they they want to maximize their sauna they they want to maximize their exposure to the panel's don't they exposure to the panel's don't they exposure to the panel's don't they because they need that light to generate because they need that light to generate because they need that light to generate the heat in the body and then that heat the heat in the body and then that heat the heat in the body and then that heat is then creating the blood flow and the

13:00is then creating the blood flow and the is then creating the blood flow and the and the sweat effect so if someone were and the sweat effect so if someone were and the sweat effect so if someone were to get in I'm looking at that sauna to get in I'm looking at that sauna to get in I'm looking at that sauna behind you the bigger one and someone behind you the bigger one and someone behind you the bigger one and someone want to get in there and have I don't want to get in there and have I don't want to get in there and have I don't know like two or three people mix them know like two or three people mix them know like two or three people mix them or they would skin into that and they or they would skin into that and they or they would skin into that and they would lie down they're not necessarily would lie down they're not necessarily would lie down they're not necessarily getting that it's lined down in a dry getting that it's lined down in a dry getting that it's lined down in a dry sauna or a hot rock sauna would work sauna or a hot rock sauna would work sauna or a hot rock sauna would work fine because you're exposed to the fine because you're exposed to the fine because you're exposed to the hottie air and that's what's creating hottie air and that's what's creating hottie air and that's what's creating the sweat effect but if you're doing the sweat effect but if you're doing the sweat effect but if you're doing that in them Fritz on it you might not that in them Fritz on it you might not that in them Fritz on it you might not be in the maximum benefits would you is be in the maximum benefits would you is be in the maximum benefits would you is that correct yeah yes yeah it certainly that correct yeah yes yeah it certainly that correct yeah yes yeah it certainly is so the infrared you know we can think is so the infrared you know we can think is so the infrared you know we can think of it as radiant heat or we can think of of it as radiant heat or we can think of of it as radiant heat or we can think of it as invisible light it is part of the it as invisible light it is part of the it as invisible light it is part of the light spectrum you know the sunlight light spectrum you know the sunlight light spectrum you know the sunlight that's coming down and hitting the that's coming down and hitting the that's coming down and hitting the planet here and hitting all of us that's planet here and hitting all of us that's planet here and hitting all of us that's made up out of visible light ultraviolet made up out of visible light ultraviolet made up out of visible light ultraviolet and then all of the different infrareds and then all of the different infrareds and then all of the different infrareds as well there's near middle and far as well there's near middle and far as well there's near middle and far infrared and I think in this discussion

14:00infrared and I think in this discussion infrared and I think in this discussion we'll probably touch on near-infrared as we'll probably touch on near-infrared as we'll probably touch on near-infrared as well but well but well but think of it as light and the heaters you think of it as light and the heaters you think of it as light and the heaters you were asking about the saunas here and were asking about the saunas here and were asking about the saunas here and whether sitting or lying down it is whether sitting or lying down it is whether sitting or lying down it is important that your body is in the important that your body is in the important that your body is in the target path of the infrared so it's target path of the infrared so it's target path of the infrared so it's light it's being projected out from the light it's being projected out from the light it's being projected out from the heaters and then your body has to be in heaters and then your body has to be in heaters and then your body has to be in the target line of that light it has to the target line of that light it has to the target line of that light it has to hit you to be absorbed by the water in hit you to be absorbed by the water in hit you to be absorbed by the water in our skin and to create the heat I don't our skin and to create the heat I don't our skin and to create the heat I don't know how great of a shot we have of this know how great of a shot we have of this know how great of a shot we have of this sauna but I think folks can see that the sauna but I think folks can see that the sauna but I think folks can see that the heaters surround you really well yeah we heaters surround you really well yeah we heaters surround you really well yeah we have one very unique feature in our have one very unique feature in our have one very unique feature in our saunas I've got the door swung open on saunas I've got the door swung open on saunas I've got the door swung open on this sauna and I believe you can see the this sauna and I believe you can see the this sauna and I believe you can see the we mount one of the large heat carbon we mount one of the large heat carbon we mount one of the large heat carbon panel heaters here right on our door on panel heaters here right on our door on panel heaters here right on our door on this sauna there there's another one

15:00this sauna there there's another one this sauna there there's another one right here so on this particular sauna right here so on this particular sauna right here so on this particular sauna mod I leave all 30 we've got the carbon mod I leave all 30 we've got the carbon mod I leave all 30 we've got the carbon panel heaters spanning the whole front panel heaters spanning the whole front panel heaters spanning the whole front width of the front wall big heater on width of the front wall big heater on width of the front wall big heater on the back wall there's heaters on either the back wall there's heaters on either the back wall there's heaters on either sides there's a foot heater there's a sides there's a foot heater there's a sides there's a foot heater there's a calf heater when I designed this on us calf heater when I designed this on us calf heater when I designed this on us we put the heaters everywhere possible we put the heaters everywhere possible we put the heaters everywhere possible and it's all about surrounding you as and it's all about surrounding you as and it's all about surrounding you as best as possible with these heaters it's best as possible with these heaters it's best as possible with these heaters it's being projected at you basically the more infrared that we can basically the more infrared that we can project at you to cover as much as your project at you to cover as much as your project at you to cover as much as your body as possible well you're gonna heat body as possible well you're gonna heat body as possible well you're gonna heat up quicker and sweat heavier ya know in up quicker and sweat heavier ya know in up quicker and sweat heavier ya know in a mix that makes perfect sense and then a mix that makes perfect sense and then a mix that makes perfect sense and then and also once you realize that and then and also once you realize that and then and also once you realize that and then you look at some other sonic infrared you look at some other sonic infrared you look at some other sonic infrared sauna companies products and you see sauna companies products and you see sauna companies products and you see that they have panels that go to head that they have panels that go to head that they have panels that go to head height or even higher or you see that height or even higher or you see that height or even higher or you see that they have thin thin heater panels you

16:00they have thin thin heater panels you they have thin thin heater panels you know spaced out on the wall they then know spaced out on the wall they then know spaced out on the wall they then have to think well is this really have to think well is this really have to think well is this really working you know because and that's one working you know because and that's one working you know because and that's one thing I do like about your sauna is that thing I do like about your sauna is that thing I do like about your sauna is that whole was it evolved 360 you call it you whole was it evolved 360 you call it you whole was it evolved 360 you call it you want your free evolved 360 range where want your free evolved 360 range where want your free evolved 360 range where you get exactly panels on all corner you get exactly panels on all corner you get exactly panels on all corner oh no wolves of the walk of the sauna oh no wolves of the walk of the sauna oh no wolves of the walk of the sauna and then you also have it under on on and then you also have it under on on and then you also have it under on on the on the floor and then on back of the the on the floor and then on back of the the on the floor and then on back of the calf and you are getting you're getting calf and you are getting you're getting calf and you are getting you're getting hit from all angles and it's funny hit from all angles and it's funny hit from all angles and it's funny because a friend of mine recently because a friend of mine recently because a friend of mine recently purchased one of your your minis your purchased one of your your minis your purchased one of your your minis your your one-man saunas and I that based on your one-man saunas and I that based on your one-man saunas and I that based on a yeah based on space constraints you a yeah based on space constraints you a yeah based on space constraints you know where is living and I told him I know where is living and I told him I know where is living and I told him I said hey look like there's nothing wrong said hey look like there's nothing wrong said hey look like there's nothing wrong with that so I mean it's a really good with that so I mean it's a really good with that so I mean it's a really good sauna and in theory it it's maybe a bit sauna and in theory it it's maybe a bit sauna and in theory it it's maybe a bit of sauna for you because you're getting of sauna for you because you're getting of sauna for you because you're getting maximum exposure to those panels whereas maximum exposure to those panels whereas maximum exposure to those panels whereas if you weren't a biggest sauna and you if you weren't a biggest sauna and you if you weren't a biggest sauna and you know someone sits down beside you or you

17:00know someone sits down beside you or you know someone sits down beside you or you know you do sort of lean back a little know you do sort of lean back a little know you do sort of lean back a little bit because you've got the space to do bit because you've got the space to do bit because you've got the space to do it it it I the body may be missing out on some of I the body may be missing out on some of I the body may be missing out on some of that on some of those precious foam for that on some of those precious foam for that on some of those precious foam for it right so is that I mean I know from a it right so is that I mean I know from a it right so is that I mean I know from a business point of view you probably business point of view you probably business point of view you probably don't want to say this but in theory don't want to say this but in theory don't want to say this but in theory would that smaller one one mentss wanna would that smaller one one mentss wanna would that smaller one one mentss wanna be a better performance sauna compared be a better performance sauna compared be a better performance sauna compared to say a big four five see them like I to say a big four five see them like I to say a big four five see them like I tell folks said all the time yeah and tell folks said all the time yeah and tell folks said all the time yeah and we're never here to try to upsell people we're never here to try to upsell people we're never here to try to upsell people to the biggest most expensive sauna not to the biggest most expensive sauna not to the biggest most expensive sauna not at all at all at all and none of our saunas are particularly and none of our saunas are particularly and none of our saunas are particularly huge this is our largest sauna right huge this is our largest sauna right huge this is our largest sauna right here you know it's just five feet wide here you know it's just five feet wide here you know it's just five feet wide you know but I tell folks that all the you know but I tell folks that all the you know but I tell folks that all the time the the mini it's our least time the the mini it's our least time the the mini it's our least expensive sauna it's our smallest sauna expensive sauna it's our smallest sauna expensive sauna it's our smallest sauna but it's it's absolutely one of our most but it's it's absolutely one of our most but it's it's absolutely one of our most powerful and effective saunas yeah you powerful and effective saunas yeah you powerful and effective saunas yeah you are closer to more heaters in this sauna

18:00are closer to more heaters in this sauna are closer to more heaters in this sauna I suppose then theoretically than any of I suppose then theoretically than any of I suppose then theoretically than any of our other scientists yeah you know we our other scientists yeah you know we our other scientists yeah you know we have some we have several models which have some we have several models which have some we have several models which would very powerful very effective but would very powerful very effective but would very powerful very effective but the myth the minis great in that regard the myth the minis great in that regard the myth the minis great in that regard absolutely if someone is content you absolutely if someone is content you absolutely if someone is content you know if they can fit in there and be know if they can fit in there and be know if they can fit in there and be comfortable you don't want to put your comfortable you don't want to put your comfortable you don't want to put your legs up you don't want it you don't want legs up you don't want it you don't want legs up you don't want it you don't want to do yoga you don't want to do athletic to do yoga you don't want to do athletic to do yoga you don't want to do athletic stretchy but if stretchy but if stretchy but if you're content just to sit facing you're content just to sit facing you're content just to sit facing forward feet on the floor and have a forward feet on the floor and have a forward feet on the floor and have a good sweat for 30 or 45 minutes then good sweat for 30 or 45 minutes then good sweat for 30 or 45 minutes then absolutely the mini is a great choice absolutely the mini is a great choice absolutely the mini is a great choice yeah yes we and we I'll also just add yeah yes we and we I'll also just add yeah yes we and we I'll also just add even here with our largest sauna we even here with our largest sauna we even here with our largest sauna we really limit the depth of our saunas our really limit the depth of our saunas our really limit the depth of our saunas our standard depth is just 38 inches on the standard depth is just 38 inches on the standard depth is just 38 inches on the outside dimension it's 34 inches on the outside dimension it's 34 inches on the outside dimension it's 34 inches on the inside and that's very intentional to

19:00inside and that's very intentional to inside and that's very intentional to keep you close to these heaters that are keep you close to these heaters that are keep you close to these heaters that are spanning the front wall yeah yeah and spanning the front wall yeah yeah and spanning the front wall yeah yeah and it's it's really interesting because I it's it's really interesting because I it's it's really interesting because I have your two men evolved for it 60 have your two men evolved for it 60 have your two men evolved for it 60 sauna and I also have a clear light sauna and I also have a clear light sauna and I also have a clear light three men on it and you know again those three men on it and you know again those three men on it and you know again those have written my reviews and read my have written my reviews and read my have written my reviews and read my buyer's guide and watch my videos will buyer's guide and watch my videos will buyer's guide and watch my videos will know why I'm using your sonís over the know why I'm using your sonís over the know why I'm using your sonís over the clear light one these days but the clear light one these days but the clear light one these days but the interesting thing is this the two men interesting thing is this the two men interesting thing is this the two men sauna is it's I think it's actually the sauna is it's I think it's actually the sauna is it's I think it's actually the perfect site because you've got the foot perfect site because you've got the foot perfect site because you've got the foot store in it so you can put your feet up store in it so you can put your feet up store in it so you can put your feet up with you if you want to you know there's with you if you want to you know there's with you if you want to you know there's enough space you can put a magazine or a enough space you can put a magazine or a enough space you can put a magazine or a newspaper beside you and you know it'll newspaper beside you and you know it'll newspaper beside you and you know it'll cramped up on so and then now hearing or cramped up on so and then now hearing or cramped up on so and then now hearing or less how you want to be you want to get less how you want to be you want to get less how you want to be you want to get maximum exposure to the heater panels maximum exposure to the heater panels maximum exposure to the heater panels and in close proximity you know it is and in close proximity you know it is and in close proximity you know it is interesting and I think um it's interesting and I think um it's interesting and I think um it's definitely a situation where bigger is definitely a situation where bigger is definitely a situation where bigger is not necessarily better in this case so not necessarily better in this case so not necessarily better in this case so oh it's not oh it's not you know a lot

20:00oh it's not oh it's not you know a lot oh it's not oh it's not you know a lot of the other sauna company certainly of the other sauna company certainly of the other sauna company certainly makes on is bigger than this one you makes on is bigger than this one you makes on is bigger than this one you know there's plenty of models on the know there's plenty of models on the know there's plenty of models on the marketplace that are six feet wide deep marketplace that are six feet wide deep marketplace that are six feet wide deep in seven feet wide again art this is in seven feet wide again art this is in seven feet wide again art this is only five feet wide and this is our only five feet wide and this is our only five feet wide and this is our largest our depth is 38 inches it's very largest our depth is 38 inches it's very largest our depth is 38 inches it's very common to see 42 inches even up to 48 common to see 42 inches even up to 48 common to see 42 inches even up to 48 inches is not uncommon but what's inches is not uncommon but what's inches is not uncommon but what's happening there is you're get you're happening there is you're get you're happening there is you're get you're getting further away from the heaters getting further away from the heaters getting further away from the heaters and you're creating an additional volume and you're creating an additional volume and you're creating an additional volume of air inside the sauna yes and and of air inside the sauna yes and and of air inside the sauna yes and and earlier we're talking about how it's a earlier we're talking about how it's a earlier we're talking about how it's a combination of both the infrared along combination of both the infrared along combination of both the infrared along with with with a certain level of air temperature a certain level of air temperature a certain level of air temperature required those two things working required those two things working required those two things working together to warm your body and get you together to warm your body and get you together to warm your body and get you sweating so by keeping our designs sweating so by keeping our designs sweating so by keeping our designs compact we're keeping it closer to the compact we're keeping it closer to the compact we're keeping it closer to the heaters because infrared disperses heaters because infrared disperses heaters because infrared disperses rapidly over distance

21:00rapidly over distance rapidly over distance you know it's light and and I believe you know it's light and and I believe you know it's light and and I believe it's the inverse square law you know it's the inverse square law you know it's the inverse square law you know light disperses the intensity of it light disperses the intensity of it light disperses the intensity of it it's dispersing rapidly over distance so it's dispersing rapidly over distance so it's dispersing rapidly over distance so we want to keep you close to the heaters we want to keep you close to the heaters we want to keep you close to the heaters so you get that adequate intensity of so you get that adequate intensity of so you get that adequate intensity of the infrared and you don't have an the infrared and you don't have an the infrared and you don't have an excessive volume of air in that room excessive volume of air in that room excessive volume of air in that room because it does need to be heated and because it does need to be heated and because it does need to be heated and then that's where we also run into some then that's where we also run into some then that's where we also run into some limitations with electrical supply as limitations with electrical supply as limitations with electrical supply as well you're here in North America we well you're here in North America we well you're here in North America we have a standard 15 amp circuit have a standard 15 amp circuit have a standard 15 amp circuit some people can install a 20 amp circuit some people can install a 20 amp circuit some people can install a 20 amp circuit there's limitations there's to how many there's limitations there's to how many there's limitations there's to how many amps we can pull so how many watts of amps we can pull so how many watts of amps we can pull so how many watts of heaters we could put in the sauna and a heaters we could put in the sauna and a heaters we could put in the sauna and a lot of the time these big grandiose lot of the time these big grandiose lot of the time these big grandiose luxurious saunas from some of the sauna luxurious saunas from some of the sauna luxurious saunas from some of the sauna companies they they don't work all that companies they they don't work all that companies they they don't work all that well because they don't have enough well because they don't have enough well because they don't have enough power coming to them the heaters are

22:00power coming to them the heaters are power coming to them the heaters are just that little bit too far away or to just that little bit too far away or to just that little bit too far away or to run a long ways away from you and I'm a run a long ways away from you and I'm a run a long ways away from you and I'm a believer in the smaller salon is believer in the smaller salon is believer in the smaller salon is absolutely a mini very very unique in absolutely a mini very very unique in absolutely a mini very very unique in the marketplace actually I'm glad nobody the marketplace actually I'm glad nobody the marketplace actually I'm glad nobody else has copied us on it yet but it's else has copied us on it yet but it's else has copied us on it yet but it's probably it is one of our best sellers probably it is one of our best sellers probably it is one of our best sellers there's no question the mini and and no there's no question the mini and and no there's no question the mini and and no one ever complains about a lack of heat one ever complains about a lack of heat one ever complains about a lack of heat or poor sweat experience in there yeah or poor sweat experience in there yeah or poor sweat experience in there yeah it's quite really um okay so you've it's quite really um okay so you've it's quite really um okay so you've touched on a bunch of topics and is if touched on a bunch of topics and is if touched on a bunch of topics and is if you I'd like to dive into a little bit you I'd like to dive into a little bit you I'd like to dive into a little bit deeper so let's look at the heated deeper so let's look at the heated deeper so let's look at the heated technology you call them heaters I've technology you call them heaters I've technology you call them heaters I've seen people call them light panels all seen people call them light panels all seen people call them light panels all sorts of names but I know in your Sony sorts of names but I know in your Sony sorts of names but I know in your Sony you use what commonly called the carbon you use what commonly called the carbon you use what commonly called the carbon heaters is that correct yes and I just heaters is that correct yes and I just heaters is that correct yes and I just really really really this collection here I forgot to put one this collection here I forgot to put one this collection here I forgot to put one of our heaters although there's one just

23:00of our heaters although there's one just of our heaters although there's one just here in arms reach Alex or grab it and I here in arms reach Alex or grab it and I here in arms reach Alex or grab it and I brought a couple different examples of brought a couple different examples of brought a couple different examples of carbon panel heaters okay carbon panel heaters okay carbon panel heaters okay so I'll get a question for you I've done so I'll get a question for you I've done so I'll get a question for you I've done a little bit of research on m4 and so on a little bit of research on m4 and so on a little bit of research on m4 and so on as over the years and one thing that I as over the years and one thing that I as over the years and one thing that I know you guys use use what you've called know you guys use use what you've called know you guys use use what you've called your nano carbon heater panels right your nano carbon heater panels right your nano carbon heater panels right what exactly is this okay what's a what exactly is this okay what's a what exactly is this okay what's a carbon in a panel and then how does your carbon in a panel and then how does your carbon in a panel and then how does your nano carbon need a little different nano carbon need a little different nano carbon need a little different carbon is just a very efficient material carbon is just a very efficient material carbon is just a very efficient material for radiating heat so when it's powered for radiating heat so when it's powered for radiating heat so when it's powered up by electricity and then the carbon up by electricity and then the carbon up by electricity and then the carbon material gets hot it's carbon just is material gets hot it's carbon just is material gets hot it's carbon just is very efficient it has what's called a very efficient it has what's called a very efficient it has what's called a high emissivity rating in physics high emissivity rating in physics high emissivity rating in physics there's a model called theoretical model there's a model called theoretical model there's a model called theoretical model referred to as a blackbody and a referred to as a blackbody and a referred to as a blackbody and a blackbody is something that is 100% blackbody is something that is 100% blackbody is something that is 100% efficient I believe that simply means

24:00efficient I believe that simply means efficient I believe that simply means you know 100% whatever energy goes in is you know 100% whatever energy goes in is you know 100% whatever energy goes in is converted to radiation right carbon and converted to radiation right carbon and converted to radiation right carbon and ceramics both have very high emissivity ceramics both have very high emissivity ceramics both have very high emissivity waves that are going to be in the 90 waves that are going to be in the 90 waves that are going to be in the 90 some odd percent whether it's 92 or 94 some odd percent whether it's 92 or 94 some odd percent whether it's 92 or 94 percent emissivity these are very high percent emissivity these are very high percent emissivity these are very high emissivity ratings so very efficient at emissivity ratings so very efficient at emissivity ratings so very efficient at converting the energy in this case converting the energy in this case converting the energy in this case electricity into infrared radiation heat electricity into infrared radiation heat electricity into infrared radiation heat the carbon panel you asked why do we the carbon panel you asked why do we the carbon panel you asked why do we call the Nano carbon and that's really call the Nano carbon and that's really call the Nano carbon and that's really just a descriptive term I think you can just a descriptive term I think you can just a descriptive term I think you can see that that the panel is very thin so see that that the panel is very thin so see that that the panel is very thin so inside this heater panel is a thin layer inside this heater panel is a thin layer inside this heater panel is a thin layer of microscopic particles of carbon of microscopic particles of carbon of microscopic particles of carbon they're so small these little particles they're so small these little particles they're so small these little particles of carbon that the electricity that

25:00of carbon that the electricity that of carbon that the electricity that heats them up because they're so small heats them up because they're so small heats them up because they're so small they they're heated by the electrical they they're heated by the electrical they they're heated by the electrical power and then just immediately release power and then just immediately release power and then just immediately release that as infrared radiation and there's that as infrared radiation and there's that as infrared radiation and there's very little energy lost so it's just very little energy lost so it's just very little energy lost so it's just it's very efficient we were talking a it's very efficient we were talking a it's very efficient we were talking a few minutes ago about how hot rocks on few minutes ago about how hot rocks on few minutes ago about how hot rocks on is take double the electricity to is take double the electricity to is take double the electricity to operate to get people sweating well with operate to get people sweating well with operate to get people sweating well with infrared technology I mean it's very infrared technology I mean it's very infrared technology I mean it's very energy efficient energy efficient energy efficient as these little particles of carbon heat as these little particles of carbon heat as these little particles of carbon heat up quickly release that energy quickly up quickly release that energy quickly up quickly release that energy quickly as radiation we can power the saunas as radiation we can power the saunas as radiation we can power the saunas with half the electricity so nano carbon with half the electricity so nano carbon with half the electricity so nano carbon is just a descriptive term really you is just a descriptive term really you is just a descriptive term really you know in the marketplace you'll see a lot know in the marketplace you'll see a lot know in the marketplace you'll see a lot of marketing terms for different of marketing terms for different of marketing terms for different companies at different marketing terms companies at different marketing terms companies at different marketing terms for their heaters they're usually rather

26:00for their heaters they're usually rather for their heaters they're usually rather meaningless and I didn't mean nano meaningless and I didn't mean nano meaningless and I didn't mean nano carbon to be a marketing term really if carbon to be a marketing term really if carbon to be a marketing term really if it's a descriptive term just describing it's a descriptive term just describing it's a descriptive term just describing the fact that we have these microscopic the fact that we have these microscopic the fact that we have these microscopic particles of carbon don't it okay that particles of carbon don't it okay that particles of carbon don't it okay that makes sense so now how does it how does makes sense so now how does it how does makes sense so now how does it how does leave these carbon it is compared to leave these carbon it is compared to leave these carbon it is compared to these other heaters you have on on your these other heaters you have on on your these other heaters you have on on your table I I know I like I know that the table I I know I like I know that the table I I know I like I know that the obvious thing I'm saying is is the obvious thing I'm saying is is the obvious thing I'm saying is is the thickness I mean it's that one on your thickness I mean it's that one on your thickness I mean it's that one on your right there's a couple inches thick so I right there's a couple inches thick so I right there's a couple inches thick so I know there's going to be benefits from know there's going to be benefits from know there's going to be benefits from that point of view but from account one that point of view but from account one that point of view but from account one of you like from a the light being of you like from a the light being of you like from a the light being emitted is there a big difference and emitted is there a big difference and emitted is there a big difference and why did you guys sit on this carbon you why did you guys sit on this carbon you why did you guys sit on this carbon you know I think the main reason I I've know I think the main reason I I've know I think the main reason I I've worked with the infrared saunas for 20 worked with the infrared saunas for 20 worked with the infrared saunas for 20 years now and for the first 10 years my years now and for the first 10 years my years now and for the first 10 years my experience working with the saunas we experience working with the saunas we experience working with the saunas we didn't have the carbon panels you know

27:00didn't have the carbon panels you know didn't have the carbon panels you know they came out of Japan and Korea and they came out of Japan and Korea and they came out of Japan and Korea and here in North America when I started here in North America when I started here in North America when I started working with infrared saunas we were working with infrared saunas we were working with infrared saunas we were using using using I'll show you in a minute I'm gonna dig I'll show you in a minute I'm gonna dig I'll show you in a minute I'm gonna dig down here and show you what we were down here and show you what we were down here and show you what we were using but it was a small little ceramic using but it was a small little ceramic using but it was a small little ceramic element mm-hmm element mm-hmm element mm-hmm when the carbon panel heaters came along when the carbon panel heaters came along when the carbon panel heaters came along you know these are so much bigger on the you know these are so much bigger on the you know these are so much bigger on the surface area the infrared heat is being surface area the infrared heat is being surface area the infrared heat is being generated quite evenly all across the generated quite evenly all across the generated quite evenly all across the entire surface of the carbon panel when entire surface of the carbon panel when entire surface of the carbon panel when you think of the size of your body and you think of the size of your body and you think of the size of your body and the size of these heaters well these the size of these heaters well these the size of these heaters well these carbon panels being big surface area carbon panels being big surface area carbon panels being big surface area thin flat the microscopic particles of thin flat the microscopic particles of thin flat the microscopic particles of carbon inside these these big heaters carbon inside these these big heaters carbon inside these these big heaters are just able to cover a much greater are just able to cover a much greater are just able to cover a much greater surface area on your body and to cover surface area on your body and to cover surface area on your body and to cover you in a much more even and comfortable you in a much more even and comfortable you in a much more even and comfortable level of infrared heat as well so this

28:00level of infrared heat as well so this level of infrared heat as well so this this is not one of our largest ones this this is not one of our largest ones this this is not one of our largest ones this happens to be the heater that we use for happens to be the heater that we use for happens to be the heater that we use for the calf and the foot eater in many of the calf and the foot eater in many of the calf and the foot eater in many of our models we'll put that one down this one this one I brought out just to this one this one I brought out just to show you quickly this is this happens to show you quickly this is this happens to show you quickly this is this happens to be an inexpensive cheap carbon panel not be an inexpensive cheap carbon panel not be an inexpensive cheap carbon panel not from one of our salon others and people from one of our salon others and people from one of our salon others and people often talk about of the carbon panels often talk about of the carbon panels often talk about of the carbon panels I've heard I've heard they're cheap I've I've heard I've heard they're cheap I've I've heard I've heard they're cheap I've heard they're low-quality heard they're low-quality heard they're low-quality I've heard they aren't going to last I've heard they aren't going to last I've heard they aren't going to last very long and it's absolutely true that very long and it's absolutely true that very long and it's absolutely true that there's a huge range of quality of there's a huge range of quality of there's a huge range of quality of carbon panel heaters in the marketplace carbon panel heaters in the marketplace carbon panel heaters in the marketplace and this is an example of a lower and this is an example of a lower and this is an example of a lower quality one if you can see that it's quality one if you can see that it's quality one if you can see that it's it's much thinner it's flimsier ours it's much thinner it's flimsier ours it's much thinner it's flimsier ours I'll just show you quickly our heater

29:00I'll just show you quickly our heater I'll just show you quickly our heater panels are pretty stiff pretty rigid panels are pretty stiff pretty rigid panels are pretty stiff pretty rigid strong you know they're not susceptible strong you know they're not susceptible strong you know they're not susceptible to breaking they've got they run for to breaking they've got they run for to breaking they've got they run for tens of thousands of hours people never tens of thousands of hours people never tens of thousands of hours people never wear them out in terms of reduction in wear them out in terms of reduction in wear them out in terms of reduction in heat output heat output heat output so that was that was the purpose of so that was that was the purpose of so that was that was the purpose of bringing out the two there but now that bringing out the two there but now that bringing out the two there but now that I've gotten to the bottom of the pile I've gotten to the bottom of the pile I've gotten to the bottom of the pile here I can show you what I was talking here I can show you what I was talking here I can show you what I was talking about earlier this is an example of a about earlier this is an example of a about earlier this is an example of a ceramic element heater so the yellow ceramic element heater so the yellow ceramic element heater so the yellow portion in here is a solid piece of portion in here is a solid piece of portion in here is a solid piece of ceramic it's mounted in the metal ceramic it's mounted in the metal ceramic it's mounted in the metal housing there's a little reflector housing there's a little reflector housing there's a little reflector behind it these guys in contrast to the behind it these guys in contrast to the behind it these guys in contrast to the carbon panels they're much harder on the carbon panels they're much harder on the carbon panels they're much harder on the surface of the heater here you can be surface of the heater here you can be surface of the heater here you can be looking at 400 degrees to 700 degrees looking at 400 degrees to 700 degrees looking at 400 degrees to 700 degrees Fahrenheit Fahrenheit Fahrenheit depending on the watts of the heater but

30:00depending on the watts of the heater but depending on the watts of the heater but when you think about the size of this when you think about the size of this when you think about the size of this this little yellow element in comparison this little yellow element in comparison this little yellow element in comparison to the size of the carbon panels and I to the size of the carbon panels and I to the size of the carbon panels and I think you can see the big one on the think you can see the big one on the think you can see the big one on the back wall and the Evolve 30 here you back wall and the Evolve 30 here you back wall and the Evolve 30 here you know you compare the size of this to the know you compare the size of this to the know you compare the size of this to the size of that yeah the big carbon panel size of that yeah the big carbon panel size of that yeah the big carbon panel heaters is just so more capable of heaters is just so more capable of heaters is just so more capable of covering your body more of your body and covering your body more of your body and covering your body more of your body and what you can do with these now of course what you can do with these now of course what you can do with these now of course companies that use these heaters put companies that use these heaters put companies that use these heaters put several of them in there you know but several of them in there you know but several of them in there you know but but nevertheless this is more of a spot but nevertheless this is more of a spot but nevertheless this is more of a spot heating effect in this honor really hot heating effect in this honor really hot heating effect in this honor really hot if you get too close to them you need to if you get too close to them you need to if you get too close to them you need to be it can be uncomfortable if you are be it can be uncomfortable if you are be it can be uncomfortable if you are two inches away and directly in front of two inches away and directly in front of two inches away and directly in front of these ceramic element heaters hmm and these ceramic element heaters hmm and these ceramic element heaters hmm and then it's leaving voids throughout the then it's leaving voids throughout the then it's leaving voids throughout the sauna room so you'll have a really small sauna room so you'll have a really small sauna room so you'll have a really small hot intense source of infrared and then hot intense source of infrared and then hot intense source of infrared and then you'll have voids in the sauna where

31:00you'll have voids in the sauna where you'll have voids in the sauna where there's probably no infrared and pockets there's probably no infrared and pockets there's probably no infrared and pockets of cooler air as well and I worked with of cooler air as well and I worked with of cooler air as well and I worked with these heaters for 10 years 1999 to about these heaters for 10 years 1999 to about these heaters for 10 years 1999 to about 2008 I with these the style of heater 2008 I with these the style of heater 2008 I with these the style of heater and then I learned of the carbon panel and then I learned of the carbon panel and then I learned of the carbon panel heaters and particularly some that were heaters and particularly some that were heaters and particularly some that were coming out of Japan and Korea at that coming out of Japan and Korea at that coming out of Japan and Korea at that time time time and I just loved it the first time I and I just loved it the first time I and I just loved it the first time I tried it I thought this is just a nicer tried it I thought this is just a nicer tried it I thought this is just a nicer sensation in the sauna I just feel so sensation in the sauna I just feel so sensation in the sauna I just feel so much more immersed in the heat can feel much more immersed in the heat can feel much more immersed in the heat can feel it all over my body is much more even I it all over my body is much more even I it all over my body is much more even I don't have to worry about being too don't have to worry about being too don't have to worry about being too close I certainly don't have to worry close I certainly don't have to worry close I certainly don't have to worry about it about it about it earning my skin too close to it which earning my skin too close to it which earning my skin too close to it which these guys if he if he do get too close these guys if he if he do get too close these guys if he if he do get too close to the ceramic element yeah it might to the ceramic element yeah it might to the ceramic element yeah it might leave not a burn but a red comfortable

32:00leave not a burn but a red comfortable leave not a burn but a red comfortable area on your body they are behind grills area on your body they are behind grills area on your body they are behind grills but and then this was interesting just but and then this was interesting just but and then this was interesting just collecting these heaters together I collecting these heaters together I collecting these heaters together I managed to drop this one and break it managed to drop this one and break it managed to drop this one and break it but hey but I left it out here and I but hey but I left it out here and I but hey but I left it out here and I don't know it can be seen by the camera don't know it can be seen by the camera don't know it can be seen by the camera or not but it's solid ceramic right yeah here's some other examples so in this here's some other examples so in this case we're talking about a small concave case we're talking about a small concave case we're talking about a small concave shape these in the industry these are shape these in the industry these are shape these in the industry these are called trough heaters they come from the called trough heaters they come from the called trough heaters they come from the radiant heating industry they have all radiant heating industry they have all radiant heating industry they have all sorts of uses they're used to dry paint sorts of uses they're used to dry paint sorts of uses they're used to dry paint in auto manufacturing auto body shops in auto manufacturing auto body shops in auto manufacturing auto body shops they're used for thermal forming with they're used for thermal forming with they're used for thermal forming with different plastics they've got they're different plastics they've got they're different plastics they've got they're even used apparently for incubators for even used apparently for incubators for even used apparently for incubators for babies and hospitals so you know they've

33:00babies and hospitals so you know they've babies and hospitals so you know they've been around for decades they've got all been around for decades they've got all been around for decades they've got all sorts of applications sorts of applications sorts of applications that's the trough style heater just that's the trough style heater just that's the trough style heater just another style that we'd also call a another style that we'd also call a another style that we'd also call a ceramic element heater is a tube so this ceramic element heater is a tube so this ceramic element heater is a tube so this white tube is ceramic and inside is a white tube is ceramic and inside is a white tube is ceramic and inside is a filament carrying the electrical current filament carrying the electrical current filament carrying the electrical current these are sometimes also filled with these are sometimes also filled with these are sometimes also filled with different minerals as well but still a different minerals as well but still a different minerals as well but still a small element heater that's very hot if small element heater that's very hot if small element heater that's very hot if you're close to it you're close to it you're close to it and not capable of covering your body and not capable of covering your body and not capable of covering your body fully when there's a bit of a ongoing fully when there's a bit of a ongoing fully when there's a bit of a ongoing debate has been for the last ten years I debate has been for the last ten years I debate has been for the last ten years I suppose well well what's better carbon suppose well well what's better carbon suppose well well what's better carbon or ceramic mmm both carbon and ceramic or ceramic mmm both carbon and ceramic or ceramic mmm both carbon and ceramic are excellent radiating materials so III

34:00are excellent radiating materials so III are excellent radiating materials so III don't believe you can say carbon or don't believe you can say carbon or don't believe you can say carbon or ceramic is better they both have very ceramic is better they both have very ceramic is better they both have very high emissivity levels they're great high emissivity levels they're great high emissivity levels they're great radiating materials the debate is really radiating materials the debate is really radiating materials the debate is really around small elements of these sorts around small elements of these sorts around small elements of these sorts purses a large flat panel it's really purses a large flat panel it's really purses a large flat panel it's really it's really an element versus panel it's really an element versus panel it's really an element versus panel debate not a carbon versus ceramic debate not a carbon versus ceramic debate not a carbon versus ceramic debate you ain't going back to what we debate you ain't going back to what we debate you ain't going back to what we said earlier where it's all about so if said earlier where it's all about so if said earlier where it's all about so if like maximizing exposure to the light like maximizing exposure to the light like maximizing exposure to the light it's clear that a panel is going to be a it's clear that a panel is going to be a it's clear that a panel is going to be a much better but much more suitable for much better but much more suitable for much better but much more suitable for an impact and first one have been just a an impact and first one have been just a an impact and first one have been just a single element isn't it yeah yeah you single element isn't it yeah yeah you single element isn't it yeah yeah you know the typical thing that was done by know the typical thing that was done by know the typical thing that was done by so many manufacturers here's one of the so many manufacturers here's one of the so many manufacturers here's one of the tube heaters mounted in its housing and tube heaters mounted in its housing and tube heaters mounted in its housing and the typical thing was to have two of the typical thing was to have two of the typical thing was to have two of these on the back wall to on the front these on the back wall to on the front these on the back wall to on the front wall and one on your calf under the

35:00wall and one on your calf under the wall and one on your calf under the bench near five five in total there's so bench near five five in total there's so bench near five five in total there's so many saunas made just with that very many saunas made just with that very many saunas made just with that very basic heater layout nothing on the basic heater layout nothing on the basic heater layout nothing on the sidewalls sidewalls sidewalls certainly nothing on the door like we do certainly nothing on the door like we do certainly nothing on the door like we do yeah and that was just a married spotty yeah and that was just a married spotty yeah and that was just a married spotty type heating and I do speak from type heating and I do speak from type heating and I do speak from experience because I worked with the the experience because I worked with the the experience because I worked with the the trough style heater for about 10 years trough style heater for about 10 years trough style heater for about 10 years mm-hmm so II it was all we had in North mm-hmm so II it was all we had in North mm-hmm so II it was all we had in North America and and the saunas work and we America and and the saunas work and we America and and the saunas work and we had a decent sweat yeah but had a decent sweat yeah but had a decent sweat yeah but as soon as I started trying out the as soon as I started trying out the as soon as I started trying out the Korean and Japanese carbon panels over Korean and Japanese carbon panels over Korean and Japanese carbon panels over ten years ago now I just thought well ten years ago now I just thought well ten years ago now I just thought well this this is a better sauna it's just a this this is a better sauna it's just a this this is a better sauna it's just a nicer sensation you know it makes a lot nicer sensation you know it makes a lot nicer sensation you know it makes a lot of sense and especially from a design of sense and especially from a design of sense and especially from a design point of view you know you know so much point of view you know you know so much point of view you know you know so much thinner and you can be closer to it thinner and you can be closer to it thinner and you can be closer to it without risk of burns and whatnot yeah

36:00without risk of burns and whatnot yeah without risk of burns and whatnot yeah it makes a lot of sense so what about it makes a lot of sense so what about it makes a lot of sense so what about bulbs like incandescent heat lamp type bulbs like incandescent heat lamp type bulbs like incandescent heat lamp type bulbs I know some people just say hey bulbs I know some people just say hey bulbs I know some people just say hey you don't need to spend all this money you don't need to spend all this money you don't need to spend all this money on fancy saunas and all that just get on fancy saunas and all that just get on fancy saunas and all that just get some heat lamps in fact I know this some heat lamps in fact I know this some heat lamps in fact I know this companies out there that um market companies out there that um market companies out there that um market someone is using such heat lamps yeah I someone is using such heat lamps yeah I someone is using such heat lamps yeah I know these bulbs do emit infrared light know these bulbs do emit infrared light know these bulbs do emit infrared light but they also emit like some narrow but they also emit like some narrow but they also emit like some narrow friend and even visible light and some friend and even visible light and some friend and even visible light and some some of the claims behind these bulbs some of the claims behind these bulbs some of the claims behind these bulbs are that those extra light sources even are that those extra light sources even are that those extra light sources even beneficial you know it's better than beneficial you know it's better than beneficial you know it's better than just pure fire for it like so what just pure fire for it like so what just pure fire for it like so what what's your take on these bulbs and what's your take on these bulbs and what's your take on these bulbs and using them as a way to detoxify and using them as a way to detoxify and using them as a way to detoxify and sweat hmm yeah that's one item I didn't sweat hmm yeah that's one item I didn't sweat hmm yeah that's one item I didn't bring out I happen to have several heat bring out I happen to have several heat bring out I happen to have several heat lamp bulbs here because I've done some

37:00lamp bulbs here because I've done some lamp bulbs here because I've done some testing after I've seen companies testing after I've seen companies testing after I've seen companies advertising saunas with them I thought advertising saunas with them I thought advertising saunas with them I thought I'd better check them out yeah but I I'd better check them out yeah but I I'd better check them out yeah but I think folks know what we're talking think folks know what we're talking think folks know what we're talking about these are the common heat lamp about these are the common heat lamp about these are the common heat lamp bulbs you can get them at the hardware bulbs you can get them at the hardware bulbs you can get them at the hardware store and the electrical supply I know store and the electrical supply I know store and the electrical supply I know my parents still have some in the my parents still have some in the my parents still have some in the ceiling in their bathroom and bins but ceiling in their bathroom and bins but ceiling in their bathroom and bins but they've been have been around for they've been have been around for they've been have been around for decades absolutely apparently they used decades absolutely apparently they used decades absolutely apparently they used a lot for small chicken coops as well a lot for small chicken coops as well a lot for small chicken coops as well and I think they're even used to keep and I think they're even used to keep and I think they're even used to keep the French fries more right you know the the French fries more right you know the the French fries more right you know the Donalds and whatnot yeah well I came across the spectral well I came across the spectral distribution graph it was one of the distribution graph it was one of the distribution graph it was one of the companies that promotes a little sauna companies that promotes a little sauna companies that promotes a little sauna using these inexpensive heat lamp bulbs using these inexpensive heat lamp bulbs using these inexpensive heat lamp bulbs a heat lamp bulbs are just ten to twenty a heat lamp bulbs are just ten to twenty a heat lamp bulbs are just ten to twenty dollars so a couple companies are dollars so a couple companies are dollars so a couple companies are promoting saunas using these heat lamp

38:00promoting saunas using these heat lamp promoting saunas using these heat lamp bulbs now one of them had the spectral bulbs now one of them had the spectral bulbs now one of them had the spectral distribution graph posted up it was from distribution graph posted up it was from distribution graph posted up it was from Philips I guess they were getting their Philips I guess they were getting their Philips I guess they were getting their bulbs from pillows very interesting to bulbs from pillows very interesting to bulbs from pillows very interesting to me the they had about 10% near infrared me the they had about 10% near infrared me the they had about 10% near infrared energy and then the majority of their energy and then the majority of their energy and then the majority of their output was actually in mid infrared no output was actually in mid infrared no output was actually in mid infrared no no earlier we were talking about far no earlier we were talking about far no earlier we were talking about far infrared being the the optimally infrared being the the optimally infrared being the the optimally absorbed by water and the optimal absorbed by water and the optimal absorbed by water and the optimal wavelength for generating heat in your wavelength for generating heat in your wavelength for generating heat in your body mid so mid infrared is just below body mid so mid infrared is just below body mid so mid infrared is just below far infrared as the wavelengths get far infrared as the wavelengths get far infrared as the wavelengths get shorter it goes from far to mid to near shorter it goes from far to mid to near shorter it goes from far to mid to near as the wavelengths are getting shorter as the wavelengths are getting shorter as the wavelengths are getting shorter mid infrared within mid infrared which

39:00mid infrared within mid infrared which mid infrared within mid infrared which is just a sliver on the light spectrum is just a sliver on the light spectrum is just a sliver on the light spectrum this is just one point three to three this is just one point three to three this is just one point three to three microns so this is a very small portion microns so this is a very small portion microns so this is a very small portion of the light spectrum but according to of the light spectrum but according to of the light spectrum but according to the spectroscopy testing from Philips on the spectroscopy testing from Philips on the spectroscopy testing from Philips on these heat lamp bulbs the majority of these heat lamp bulbs the majority of these heat lamp bulbs the majority of the output I think was about 60 or 70 the output I think was about 60 or 70 the output I think was about 60 or 70 percent was mid infrared now mid percent was mid infrared now mid percent was mid infrared now mid infrared in my understanding you know infrared in my understanding you know infrared in my understanding you know it's okay it's okay it's okay looking at the graph for the efficiency looking at the graph for the efficiency looking at the graph for the efficiency of water absorbing these different of water absorbing these different of water absorbing these different wavelengths and creating heat that's wavelengths and creating heat that's wavelengths and creating heat that's where it starts to go up where it starts to go up where it starts to go up through the mid-infrared range of 1.3 through the mid-infrared range of 1.3 through the mid-infrared range of 1.3 microns to 3 microns that's where the microns to 3 microns that's where the microns to 3 microns that's where the graphs starting to go up and then we get graphs starting to go up and then we get graphs starting to go up and then we get to a peak at 3 microns and it pretty to a peak at 3 microns and it pretty to a peak at 3 microns and it pretty much levels out going through the far much levels out going through the far much levels out going through the far infrared wavelengths so mid infrared can infrared wavelengths so mid infrared can infrared wavelengths so mid infrared can be said to be doing an okay job of be said to be doing an okay job of be said to be doing an okay job of creating heat of your body but it's not

40:00creating heat of your body but it's not creating heat of your body but it's not as efficient as the far infrared and as efficient as the far infrared and as efficient as the far infrared and then when the wavelengths get shorter then when the wavelengths get shorter then when the wavelengths get shorter below below near infrared when we then below below near infrared when we then below below near infrared when we then go into visible light first off red go into visible light first off red go into visible light first off red infrared is below red so we first enter infrared is below red so we first enter infrared is below red so we first enter into the red region in the visible light into the red region in the visible light into the red region in the visible light this is where the light starts being this is where the light starts being this is where the light starts being absorbed I think we can say pretty much absorbed I think we can say pretty much absorbed I think we can say pretty much entirely being absorbed and it then entirely being absorbed and it then entirely being absorbed and it then becomes transmitted that then is rather becomes transmitted that then is rather becomes transmitted that then is rather than being absorbed in creating Heat the than being absorbed in creating Heat the than being absorbed in creating Heat the red light the near-infrared and the red red light the near-infrared and the red red light the near-infrared and the red are just being transmitted through our are just being transmitted through our are just being transmitted through our tissue doughnut okay tissue doughnut okay tissue doughnut okay that's passing through and not that's passing through and not that's passing through and not generating heat you know I think I'm generating heat you know I think I'm generating heat you know I think I'm giving you a roundabout answer because giving you a roundabout answer because giving you a roundabout answer because you asked me you know what what do I you asked me you know what what do I you asked me you know what what do I think about the the heat lamp bulbs

41:00think about the the heat lamp bulbs think about the the heat lamp bulbs saunas and it frustrates me actually saunas and it frustrates me actually saunas and it frustrates me actually because these are the manufacturers of because these are the manufacturers of because these are the manufacturers of the bulbs Philips and Sylvania and a few the bulbs Philips and Sylvania and a few the bulbs Philips and Sylvania and a few others they often labeled labeled right others they often labeled labeled right others they often labeled labeled right there on the box they call it a near there on the box they call it a near there on the box they call it a near infrared heat lamp Oh mm-hmm infrared heat lamp Oh mm-hmm infrared heat lamp Oh mm-hmm but in actual fact these these bulbs put but in actual fact these these bulbs put but in actual fact these these bulbs put out just a little bit of near-infrared out just a little bit of near-infrared out just a little bit of near-infrared which does not generate heat and then which does not generate heat and then which does not generate heat and then they put out a bunch of mid-infrared they put out a bunch of mid-infrared they put out a bunch of mid-infrared which is so-so at generating Heat which is so-so at generating Heat which is so-so at generating Heat they put out some visible light they put out some visible light they put out some visible light and and and they have a tremendous effect just on they have a tremendous effect just on they have a tremendous effect just on heating the air as well because these heating the air as well because these heating the air as well because these bulbs are screaming hot yeah I've bulbs are screaming hot yeah I've bulbs are screaming hot yeah I've forgotten the exact number but there are forgotten the exact number but there are forgotten the exact number but there are several thousand degrees on the on the several thousand degrees on the on the several thousand degrees on the on the surface of the glass bulb notes how did surface of the glass bulb notes how did surface of the glass bulb notes how did these honest using the bulbs they're

42:00these honest using the bulbs they're these honest using the bulbs they're promoted as a near infrared sauna first promoted as a near infrared sauna first promoted as a near infrared sauna first off there's just there's several off there's just there's several off there's just there's several problems with that but it's a problems with that but it's a problems with that but it's a contradiction of terms really high can't contradiction of terms really high can't contradiction of terms really high can't I don't see that there is such a thing I don't see that there is such a thing I don't see that there is such a thing as a near infrared sauna you and I both as a near infrared sauna you and I both as a near infrared sauna you and I both have a lot of experience dealing with have a lot of experience dealing with have a lot of experience dealing with the with near infrared products you know the with near infrared products you know the with near infrared products you know panels such as this that use LEDs that panels such as this that use LEDs that panels such as this that use LEDs that put out a specific wavelength of urine put out a specific wavelength of urine put out a specific wavelength of urine thread it's all sorts of great thread it's all sorts of great thread it's all sorts of great therapeutic benefits to that maybe we'll therapeutic benefits to that maybe we'll therapeutic benefits to that maybe we'll get into it get into it get into it near-infrared has tremendous benefits near-infrared has tremendous benefits near-infrared has tremendous benefits you know just quickly it's stimulating you know just quickly it's stimulating you know just quickly it's stimulating ourselves the mitochondria start ourselves the mitochondria start ourselves the mitochondria start producing more energy and this can be producing more energy and this can be producing more energy and this can be great for accelerating healing but not great for accelerating healing but not great for accelerating healing but not generating heat with near-infrared so generating heat with near-infrared so generating heat with near-infrared so the this notion of a near infrared sauna

43:00the this notion of a near infrared sauna the this notion of a near infrared sauna to me is you know it's an oxymoron I to me is you know it's an oxymoron I to me is you know it's an oxymoron I don't see that there is such a thing as don't see that there is such a thing as don't see that there is such a thing as an irritant grit sauna but it comes from an irritant grit sauna but it comes from an irritant grit sauna but it comes from the fact that the manufacturers Sylvania the fact that the manufacturers Sylvania the fact that the manufacturers Sylvania etc they call the heat lamps near etc they call the heat lamps near etc they call the heat lamps near infrared heat lamps hmm it maybe that's infrared heat lamps hmm it maybe that's infrared heat lamps hmm it maybe that's where it started up it generated a lot where it started up it generated a lot where it started up it generated a lot of confusion for consumers yeah I mean of confusion for consumers yeah I mean of confusion for consumers yeah I mean it's interesting because again like we it's interesting because again like we it's interesting because again like we know that the farm for a raise what the know that the farm for a raise what the know that the farm for a raise what the body absorbs this the heat you know body absorbs this the heat you know body absorbs this the heat you know that's the optimal strace and like we've that's the optimal strace and like we've that's the optimal strace and like we've touched on a few times now it's all touched on a few times now it's all touched on a few times now it's all about exposure to those rays it's not about exposure to those rays it's not about exposure to those rays it's not been just been in a hot environment with been just been in a hot environment with been just been in a hot environment with a bulb in the corner or a heater in the a bulb in the corner or a heater in the a bulb in the corner or a heater in the corner you want those rays hid in the corner you want those rays hid in the corner you want those rays hid in the body so even um knowing that the bulb body so even um knowing that the bulb body so even um knowing that the bulb has this wide range of spectrums but has this wide range of spectrums but has this wide range of spectrums but even if it did emit even if it did emit even if it did emit amount of fire for it again it's only amount of fire for it again it's only amount of fire for it again it's only one little bulb isn't it you know you one little bulb isn't it you know you one little bulb isn't it you know you compare it to that the panels behind you

44:00compare it to that the panels behind you compare it to that the panels behind you and this one is yeah in a much larger and this one is yeah in a much larger and this one is yeah in a much larger surface area so in a separate suffer in surface area so in a separate suffer in surface area so in a separate suffer in the same way that the the ceramic the same way that the the ceramic the same way that the the ceramic elements and the these these heat lamp elements and the these these heat lamp elements and the these these heat lamp bulb songs that I sing bulb songs that I sing bulb songs that I sing they are typically just mounted behind they are typically just mounted behind they are typically just mounted behind you yeah you know they've just done one you yeah you know they've just done one you yeah you know they've just done one wall yeah and then me and their folks wall yeah and then me and their folks wall yeah and then me and their folks are told to rotate yeah inside they're are told to rotate yeah inside they're are told to rotate yeah inside they're told to oh sit one way and there's a told to oh sit one way and there's a told to oh sit one way and there's a little stool and then turn your stool little stool and then turn your stool little stool and then turn your stool that face your the other surface of your that face your the other surface of your that face your the other surface of your body towards the bulbs you know I mean body towards the bulbs you know I mean body towards the bulbs you know I mean that's that's the polar opposite of by that's that's the polar opposite of by that's that's the polar opposite of by designs on the saunas where we've tried designs on the saunas where we've tried designs on the saunas where we've tried to surround you as best as possible yeah to surround you as best as possible yeah to surround you as best as possible yeah makes perfect sense makes perfect sense makes perfect sense and I'd like to see they get so hot and and I'd like to see they get so hot and and I'd like to see they get so hot and a funny little story I mean we raise a funny little story I mean we raise a funny little story I mean we raise chicks like we had jogs and then chicks chicks like we had jogs and then chicks chicks like we had jogs and then chicks we throw them up and obvious them you're we throw them up and obvious them you're we throw them up and obvious them you're ten weeks old and when I was looking at ten weeks old and when I was looking at ten weeks old and when I was looking at getting a light you know to keep them

45:00getting a light you know to keep them getting a light you know to keep them warm in those first few weeks you can warm in those first few weeks you can warm in those first few weeks you can get the incandescent heat lamp bulbs but get the incandescent heat lamp bulbs but get the incandescent heat lamp bulbs but the downside is there's a few downsides the downside is there's a few downsides the downside is there's a few downsides with them is one they put out a bit of with them is one they put out a bit of with them is one they put out a bit of visible light so even at nighttime visible light so even at nighttime visible light so even at nighttime there's life on the animals and and we there's life on the animals and and we there's life on the animals and and we know how important the light is but you know how important the light is but you know how important the light is but you know circadian rhythm in health so know circadian rhythm in health so know circadian rhythm in health so that's one downside but the other that's one downside but the other that's one downside but the other downside is how hot it gets and you need downside is how hot it gets and you need downside is how hot it gets and you need to make sure that the chicks are to make sure that the chicks are to make sure that the chicks are obviously getting close enough to that obviously getting close enough to that obviously getting close enough to that it will close to the bulb because they it will close to the bulb because they it will close to the bulb because they can't burn it but you as a farmer or is can't burn it but you as a farmer or is can't burn it but you as a farmer or is someone going and looking after them you someone going and looking after them you someone going and looking after them you have to be careful as well and you know have to be careful as well and you know have to be careful as well and you know build a one year old now and I don't build a one year old now and I don't build a one year old now and I don't really want him going up there and grab really want him going up there and grab really want him going up there and grab for a chick and then getting bit so the for a chick and then getting bit so the for a chick and then getting bit so the alternative is um you can get a more alternative is um you can get a more alternative is um you can get a more expensive ceramic heater panel which is expensive ceramic heater panel which is expensive ceramic heater panel which is what I ended up getting and again what I ended up getting and again what I ended up getting and again there's no visible light it's it's it's there's no visible light it's it's it's there's no visible light it's it's it's warm but you can't touch it I mean you warm but you can't touch it I mean you warm but you can't touch it I mean you don't really want to but you can come don't really want to but you can come don't really want to but you can come into contact with it and you know you're into contact with it and you know you're into contact with it and you know you're not going to end up with a big blister

46:00not going to end up with a big blister not going to end up with a big blister on your head um so it's kind of on your head um so it's kind of on your head um so it's kind of interesting that you know you talk about interesting that you know you talk about interesting that you know you talk about all these things and and I see it not all these things and and I see it not all these things and and I see it not only am I only am I only am I so on in life but also in my farming so on in life but also in my farming so on in life but also in my farming life but what I want to touched on was life but what I want to touched on was life but what I want to touched on was you mentioned that near forehead panel you mentioned that near forehead panel you mentioned that near forehead panel are you mentioned there for the light are you mentioned there for the light are you mentioned there for the light and you see how that panel uses well you and you see how that panel uses well you and you see how that panel uses well you see how there's there's many benefits see how there's there's many benefits see how there's there's many benefits with near-infrared light and again you with near-infrared light and again you with near-infrared light and again you know one that's been on my blog and read know one that's been on my blog and read know one that's been on my blog and read some articles will I've covered this some articles will I've covered this some articles will I've covered this topic and great dish so we don't need to topic and great dish so we don't need to topic and great dish so we don't need to cover it again so yeah but you mentioned cover it again so yeah but you mentioned cover it again so yeah but you mentioned a key word and that was specific a key word and that was specific a key word and that was specific wavelengths like that narrow farid panel wavelengths like that narrow farid panel wavelengths like that narrow farid panel via uses LEDs to generate light at a via uses LEDs to generate light at a via uses LEDs to generate light at a specific wavelength typically you know specific wavelength typically you know specific wavelength typically you know might be 850 or a little bit higher and might be 850 or a little bit higher and might be 850 or a little bit higher and then I mean a line now we know I mean a then I mean a line now we know I mean a then I mean a line now we know I mean a lot of the research on fronted by a lot of the research on fronted by a lot of the research on fronted by a modulation and really light therapy um modulation and really light therapy um modulation and really light therapy um shows that your specific wavelengths at shows that your specific wavelengths at shows that your specific wavelengths at X dosage for x time creates all these X dosage for x time creates all these X dosage for x time creates all these health benefits but I've seen a lot of a

47:00health benefits but I've seen a lot of a health benefits but I've seen a lot of a lot of sonic companies will use some lot of sonic companies will use some lot of sonic companies will use some heated Technology panels in their in heated Technology panels in their in heated Technology panels in their in their sonnet that does generate near their sonnet that does generate near their sonnet that does generate near infrared light and then will come out infrared light and then will come out infrared light and then will come out and say you're also you know but using and say you're also you know but using and say you're also you know but using our saunas you also get in the benefits our saunas you also get in the benefits our saunas you also get in the benefits of near-infrared light but I've looked of near-infrared light but I've looked of near-infrared light but I've looked into this a little bit deeper and and into this a little bit deeper and and into this a little bit deeper and and like you mentioned before the amount of like you mentioned before the amount of like you mentioned before the amount of light isn't huge I mean typically if light isn't huge I mean typically if light isn't huge I mean typically if there's a little bit of therefore it there's a little bit of therefore it there's a little bit of therefore it light there but it's it's mainly the mid light there but it's it's mainly the mid light there but it's it's mainly the mid or even far infrared light and secondly or even far infrared light and secondly or even far infrared light and secondly it's um it's not necessarily coming in it's um it's not necessarily coming in it's um it's not necessarily coming in at the wavelengths that we know well at the wavelengths that we know well at the wavelengths that we know well that science is shown to be effective on that science is shown to be effective on that science is shown to be effective on on the body right um so it is a little on the body right um so it is a little on the body right um so it is a little bit of what's the word green washing on bit of what's the word green washing on bit of what's the word green washing on I know that's technically not the right I know that's technically not the right I know that's technically not the right term yet but it is a little bit I think term yet but it is a little bit I think term yet but it is a little bit I think they're riding you know riding on the they're riding you know riding on the they're riding you know riding on the coattails of all the research that's the coattails of all the research that's the coattails of all the research that's the way I've seen it you know maybe going way I've seen it you know maybe going way I've seen it you know maybe going back about five years ago when I started

48:00back about five years ago when I started back about five years ago when I started seeing sonic companies talk about a full seeing sonic companies talk about a full seeing sonic companies talk about a full spectrum song mm-hmm spectrum song mm-hmm spectrum song mm-hmm where they had taken a far infrared where they had taken a far infrared where they had taken a far infrared sauna and the far infrared is generating sauna and the far infrared is generating sauna and the far infrared is generating the heat and then done different things the heat and then done different things the heat and then done different things use different devices to add some near use different devices to add some near use different devices to add some near infrared infrared infrared and then and the marketing term that was and then and the marketing term that was and then and the marketing term that was born was full-spectrum sauna essentially born was full-spectrum sauna essentially born was full-spectrum sauna essentially a far infrared sauna with a little bit a far infrared sauna with a little bit a far infrared sauna with a little bit of near-infrared at it and it's been of near-infrared at it and it's been of near-infrared at it and it's been done through with different means you done through with different means you done through with different means you know some companies will take a little know some companies will take a little know some companies will take a little panel of LEDs you know something like panel of LEDs you know something like panel of LEDs you know something like this and just mount this on the wall this and just mount this on the wall this and just mount this on the wall okay one company essentially makes a okay one company essentially makes a okay one company essentially makes a hole or cut out in the middle of their hole or cut out in the middle of their hole or cut out in the middle of their carbon far infrared heater and then just carbon far infrared heater and then just carbon far infrared heater and then just mounts a little panel something like mounts a little panel something like mounts a little panel something like this that and these these particular and

49:00this that and these these particular and this that and these these particular and these LEDs will put out a single these LEDs will put out a single these LEDs will put out a single wavelength of near-infrared and then wavelength of near-infrared and then wavelength of near-infrared and then they'll turn that a full-spectrum sauna they'll turn that a full-spectrum sauna they'll turn that a full-spectrum sauna another thing that's caught on I think another thing that's caught on I think another thing that's caught on I think there's three or four companies using there's three or four companies using there's three or four companies using this style of heater now yeah and this this style of heater now yeah and this this style of heater now yeah and this is quartz halogen heater and probably is quartz halogen heater and probably is quartz halogen heater and probably not close enough to the camera but not close enough to the camera but not close enough to the camera but inside of this housing is a glass tube inside of this housing is a glass tube inside of this housing is a glass tube with a filament in there and filament with a filament in there and filament with a filament in there and filament and the glass tube being filled with and the glass tube being filled with and the glass tube being filled with halogen gas now when that's heated up halogen gas now when that's heated up halogen gas now when that's heated up this is doing it bears a lot of this is doing it bears a lot of this is doing it bears a lot of similarity to the simple heat lamp bulbs similarity to the simple heat lamp bulbs similarity to the simple heat lamp bulbs we were just talking about it because we were just talking about it because we were just talking about it because this will emit quite a range of this will emit quite a range of this will emit quite a range of different wavelengths different wavelengths different wavelengths this will create this will create some this will create this will create some this will create this will create some visible light and it puts out some

50:00visible light and it puts out some visible light and it puts out some near-infrared and some mid infrared and near-infrared and some mid infrared and near-infrared and some mid infrared and some far infrared and so the companies some far infrared and so the companies some far infrared and so the companies that are using these quartz halogen tube that are using these quartz halogen tube that are using these quartz halogen tube heaters along with a carbon panel heater heaters along with a carbon panel heater heaters along with a carbon panel heater such as are similar to ours with the far such as are similar to ours with the far such as are similar to ours with the far infrared they'll call that a infrared they'll call that a infrared they'll call that a full-spectrum sauna full-spectrum sauna full-spectrum sauna there's these different versions of a there's these different versions of a there's these different versions of a full-spectrum sauna on the market but full-spectrum sauna on the market but full-spectrum sauna on the market but there's there several problems with it there's there several problems with it there's there several problems with it and and and you were alluding to one of and and and you were alluding to one of and and and you were alluding to one of them where them where them where if we go back to you know the if we go back to you know the if we go back to you know the specialized therapeutic devices that are specialized therapeutic devices that are specialized therapeutic devices that are using LEDs and putting out essentially a using LEDs and putting out essentially a using LEDs and putting out essentially a single wavelength you know you know near single wavelength you know you know near single wavelength you know you know near infrared and red light therapy PB MT infrared and red light therapy PB MT infrared and red light therapy PB MT photobiomodulation therapy also referred photobiomodulation therapy also referred photobiomodulation therapy also referred to sometimes as ll LT or low-level laser

51:00to sometimes as ll LT or low-level laser to sometimes as ll LT or low-level laser therapy started up in the 1960s I think therapy started up in the 1960s I think therapy started up in the 1960s I think it was 1967 when someone first stumbled it was 1967 when someone first stumbled it was 1967 when someone first stumbled across the fact that I think it was a across the fact that I think it was a across the fact that I think it was a red light laser had particular benefits red light laser had particular benefits red light laser had particular benefits to it the lasers are monochromatic a to it the lasers are monochromatic a to it the lasers are monochromatic a laser I think is the only device that laser I think is the only device that laser I think is the only device that can emit one single frequency an LED I can emit one single frequency an LED I can emit one single frequency an LED I believe it's a very narrow range I believe it's a very narrow range I believe it's a very narrow range I believe it's about 30 nanometers wide believe it's about 30 nanometers wide believe it's about 30 nanometers wide just so they're considered they're just so they're considered they're just so they're considered they're considered to be a single frequency as considered to be a single frequency as considered to be a single frequency as well an LED these are the only two well an LED these are the only two well an LED these are the only two devices that only met a sent a single devices that only met a sent a single devices that only met a sent a single wavelength and my reading on the you wavelength and my reading on the you wavelength and my reading on the you know scientific literature and you might know scientific literature and you might know scientific literature and you might want to add to this but my reading has want to add to this but my reading has want to add to this but my reading has been that all the research has always been that all the research has always been that all the research has always used a single frequency did and

52:00used a single frequency did and used a single frequency did and stimulate ourselves to stimulate the stimulate ourselves to stimulate the stimulate ourselves to stimulate the chromophore Zoar light receptors of our chromophore Zoar light receptors of our chromophore Zoar light receptors of our cells that respond to wavelengths in the cells that respond to wavelengths in the cells that respond to wavelengths in the mid 600 nanometers being red light or in mid 600 nanometers being red light or in mid 600 nanometers being red light or in the mid 800 nanometer range being the the mid 800 nanometer range being the the mid 800 nanometer range being the invisible near-infrared ourselves invisible near-infrared ourselves invisible near-infrared ourselves responding to these particular responding to these particular responding to these particular wavelengths but all the research all the wavelengths but all the research all the wavelengths but all the research all the experiments being done with a laser or experiments being done with a laser or experiments being done with a laser or with an LED emitting a single wavelength with an LED emitting a single wavelength with an LED emitting a single wavelength and then along come some of the sonic and then along come some of the sonic and then along come some of the sonic companies using the heat lamp bulbs or companies using the heat lamp bulbs or companies using the heat lamp bulbs or the quartz halogen style heater with a the quartz halogen style heater with a the quartz halogen style heater with a wide range a little bit of near-infrared wide range a little bit of near-infrared wide range a little bit of near-infrared can't deny there's a little bit of can't deny there's a little bit of can't deny there's a little bit of near-infrared but not a single frequency near-infrared but not a single frequency near-infrared but not a single frequency like a laser or an LED but rather all of like a laser or an LED but rather all of like a laser or an LED but rather all of the near-infrared range and

53:00I don't know about you but I've never I don't know about you but I've never come across a study that used a heat come across a study that used a heat come across a study that used a heat lamp ball or quartz halogen tube heater lamp ball or quartz halogen tube heater lamp ball or quartz halogen tube heater to achieve the kind of benefits the to achieve the kind of benefits the to achieve the kind of benefits the photobiomodulation therapy benefits that photobiomodulation therapy benefits that photobiomodulation therapy benefits that are achieved with a laser or an LED yeah are achieved with a laser or an LED yeah are achieved with a laser or an LED yeah no I understand and I have to admit um no I understand and I have to admit um no I understand and I have to admit um this has been one topic that is real this has been one topic that is real this has been one topic that is real it's taken me a while to eat my head it's taken me a while to eat my head it's taken me a while to eat my head around but like you mentioned all the around but like you mentioned all the around but like you mentioned all the data is on there Farid light is rather data is on there Farid light is rather data is on there Farid light is rather specific you know down to the particular specific you know down to the particular specific you know down to the particular wavelength and I know I got caught up wavelength and I know I got caught up wavelength and I know I got caught up many years ago when I first got into the many years ago when I first got into the many years ago when I first got into the infrared health space infrared sauna infrared health space infrared sauna infrared health space infrared sauna space um I you know I got caught up in space um I you know I got caught up in space um I you know I got caught up in the marketing hype and saw a full the marketing hype and saw a full the marketing hype and saw a full spectrum and thought all right well you spectrum and thought all right well you spectrum and thought all right well you know that uses near and minun and that know that uses near and minun and that know that uses near and minun and that has to be better right and that was the has to be better right and that was the has to be better right and that was the path I went down and this one right path I went down and this one right path I went down and this one right purchased had carbon heaters with the purchased had carbon heaters with the purchased had carbon heaters with the far infrared light and it had one or two

54:00far infrared light and it had one or two far infrared light and it had one or two halogen heaters at the front now you halogen heaters at the front now you halogen heaters at the front now you know fast forward a few years and I've know fast forward a few years and I've know fast forward a few years and I've gone down many rabbit holes around gone down many rabbit holes around gone down many rabbit holes around roulette terribly or photophone roulette terribly or photophone roulette terribly or photophone modulation and learns a lot about that modulation and learns a lot about that modulation and learns a lot about that and and now I realize you know what like and and now I realize you know what like and and now I realize you know what like the benefits of red light and therefore the benefits of red light and therefore the benefits of red light and therefore it red light it's my understanding I it red light it's my understanding I it red light it's my understanding I found at specific wavelengths and found at specific wavelengths and found at specific wavelengths and specific dosages and infinitely and specific dosages and infinitely and specific dosages and infinitely and you've got to be close to it yeah yeah you've got to be close to it yeah yeah you've got to be close to it yeah yeah you heard me for interrupting but you've you heard me for interrupting but you've you heard me for interrupting but you've got to be close to it you know like the got to be close to it you know like the got to be close to it you know like the light scatters rapidly you know often light scatters rapidly you know often light scatters rapidly you know often here's another device and this this one here's another device and this this one here's another device and this this one is emitting red light this one is used is emitting red light this one is used is emitting red light this one is used you know you press it right into your you know you press it right into your you know you press it right into your tissue so that the photons of light will tissue so that the photons of light will tissue so that the photons of light will get through your skin and then get through your skin and then get through your skin and then transmitted down into your tissue yeah transmitted down into your tissue yeah transmitted down into your tissue yeah that's a good point because you that's a good point because you that's a good point because you mentioned earlier like the drop-off in mentioned earlier like the drop-off in mentioned earlier like the drop-off in intensity a distance right like that

55:00intensity a distance right like that intensity a distance right like that that happens with little light sources that happens with little light sources that happens with little light sources and we know that um those full-spectrum and we know that um those full-spectrum and we know that um those full-spectrum panels or elements or light bulbs or panels or elements or light bulbs or panels or elements or light bulbs or even want to use they are often very hot even want to use they are often very hot even want to use they are often very hot at close proximity so to get the at close proximity so to get the at close proximity so to get the therapeutic therapeutic therapeutic benefit of never headlight you know you benefit of never headlight you know you benefit of never headlight you know you may need to be very close to that light may need to be very close to that light may need to be very close to that light bulb which is just impossible that bulb which is just impossible that bulb which is just impossible that you're gonna have better stuff so then you're gonna have better stuff so then you're gonna have better stuff so then you have to move away to a safe distance you have to move away to a safe distance you have to move away to a safe distance and now all of a sudden you may need to and now all of a sudden you may need to and now all of a sudden you may need to stand by that element for an hour two stand by that element for an hour two stand by that element for an hour two hours to get this the right amount of hours to get this the right amount of hours to get this the right amount of dosage and even then we don't know if dosage and even then we don't know if dosage and even then we don't know if the fact that you're not just getting the fact that you're not just getting the fact that you're not just getting that specific wavelength but you getting that specific wavelength but you getting that specific wavelength but you getting a wide range of wavelength you know are a wide range of wavelength you know are a wide range of wavelength you know are you getting a benefit and then also you getting a benefit and then also you getting a benefit and then also without the fact there is um hate like without the fact there is um hate like without the fact there is um hate like because there is going to be some mid because there is going to be some mid because there is going to be some mid and and fire for it in there as well the and and fire for it in there as well the and and fire for it in there as well the body's gonna heat up on the co the body's gonna heat up on the co the body's gonna heat up on the co the tissues gonna heat up and then you're tissues gonna heat up and then you're tissues gonna heat up and then you're probably gonna sweat now the sudden does probably gonna sweat now the sudden does probably gonna sweat now the sudden does the moisture on your skin you know is

56:00the moisture on your skin you know is the moisture on your skin you know is that gonna mean some of those nearing that gonna mean some of those nearing that gonna mean some of those nearing rays I'm not gonna you know penetrate as rays I'm not gonna you know penetrate as rays I'm not gonna you know penetrate as deeply you know it's such a complex deeply you know it's such a complex deeply you know it's such a complex system and I think people that just and system and I think people that just and system and I think people that just and again I'm not I was in this position again I'm not I was in this position again I'm not I was in this position myself so it's just taking me a lot of myself so it's just taking me a lot of myself so it's just taking me a lot of reading a lot of times it's unread wit reading a lot of times it's unread wit reading a lot of times it's unread wit but it's very easy to just get caught up but it's very easy to just get caught up but it's very easy to just get caught up in that marketing hype and and I know I in that marketing hype and and I know I in that marketing hype and and I know I that's the problem that's the problem we that's the problem that's the problem we that's the problem that's the problem we have we have too many companies that I have we have too many companies that I have we have too many companies that I think their marketing departments you think their marketing departments you think their marketing departments you know their vivid imaginations I think know their vivid imaginations I think know their vivid imaginations I think they just wanted to ride on the they just wanted to ride on the they just wanted to ride on the coattails of all the research you know coattails of all the research you know coattails of all the research you know decades of research using lasers and decades of research using lasers and decades of research using lasers and LEDs and showing lots of awesome effects LEDs and showing lots of awesome effects LEDs and showing lots of awesome effects from this I think you've experienced from this I think you've experienced from this I think you've experienced I know I've experienced some personally I know I've experienced some personally I know I've experienced some personally as well I use this I use this device and as well I use this I use this device and as well I use this I use this device and other devices quite regularly anytime other devices quite regularly anytime other devices quite regularly anytime something's hurting on my body it's a something's hurting on my body it's a something's hurting on my body it's a ski injury I've used this a lot on my

57:00ski injury I've used this a lot on my ski injury I've used this a lot on my throat for a problem I've got with the throat for a problem I've got with the throat for a problem I've got with the sausage itis I find it very helpful sausage itis I find it very helpful sausage itis I find it very helpful that's just from acid reflux and I find that's just from acid reflux and I find that's just from acid reflux and I find it helps my throat feel a lot better yeah the just putting you know a panel yeah the just putting you know a panel of LEDs on the wall of the sauna or one of LEDs on the wall of the sauna or one of LEDs on the wall of the sauna or one of these wider spectrum devices like a of these wider spectrum devices like a of these wider spectrum devices like a heat lamp bulb or the quartz halogen to heat lamp bulb or the quartz halogen to heat lamp bulb or the quartz halogen to Peter just mounting it on the wall of Peter just mounting it on the wall of Peter just mounting it on the wall of the sauna projecting it out into the air the sauna projecting it out into the air the sauna projecting it out into the air it's not a single frequency it's the it's not a single frequency it's the it's not a single frequency it's the wideband of the near-infrared you're wideband of the near-infrared you're wideband of the near-infrared you're probably too far away from it yeah maybe probably too far away from it yeah maybe probably too far away from it yeah maybe you could get close enough to this one you could get close enough to this one you could get close enough to this one you know maybe you could put your tennis you know maybe you could put your tennis you know maybe you could put your tennis elbow say in front of this one and it elbow say in front of this one and it elbow say in front of this one and it might might be okay so you know that may might might be okay so you know that may might might be okay so you know that may have some purpose that was just mounted have some purpose that was just mounted have some purpose that was just mounted on the wall but there's all kinds of

58:00on the wall but there's all kinds of on the wall but there's all kinds of limitations there you're not going to limitations there you're not going to limitations there you're not going to maneuver any part of your body you want maneuver any part of your body you want maneuver any part of your body you want to do this it's certainly not going to to do this it's certainly not going to to do this it's certainly not going to magically treat your entire body with magically treat your entire body with magically treat your entire body with near-infrared which is what I think is near-infrared which is what I think is near-infrared which is what I think is the impression that is left when folks the impression that is left when folks the impression that is left when folks advertise these full-spectrum sauna dye advertise these full-spectrum sauna dye advertise these full-spectrum sauna dye but I think they're giving people the but I think they're giving people the but I think they're giving people the idea that the sauna is you know idea that the sauna is you know idea that the sauna is you know magically giving the treaty in their magically giving the treaty in their magically giving the treaty in their entire body with the near-infrared but entire body with the near-infrared but entire body with the near-infrared but that that's essentially impossible yeah that that's essentially impossible yeah that that's essentially impossible yeah and I don't and I don't mean to Babylon and I don't and I don't mean to Babylon and I don't and I don't mean to Babylon but you mentioned one other thing there but you mentioned one other thing there but you mentioned one other thing there quickly which i think is very important quickly which i think is very important quickly which i think is very important if your body is covered in a layer of if your body is covered in a layer of if your body is covered in a layer of sweat our skin has a natural defense mechanism our skin has a natural defense mechanism to reflect most most near-infrared to reflect most most near-infrared to reflect most most near-infrared I meant to dig up the numbers before our I meant to dig up the numbers before our I meant to dig up the numbers before our talk today which I which I didn't manage

59:00talk today which I which I didn't manage talk today which I which I didn't manage to do so I'm not sure exactly what you to do so I'm not sure exactly what you to do so I'm not sure exactly what you know there's lots of near-infrared in know there's lots of near-infrared in know there's lots of near-infrared in the sunlight that's true but our body the sunlight that's true but our body the sunlight that's true but our body our skin as a natural defense mechanism our skin as a natural defense mechanism our skin as a natural defense mechanism to reflect a lot of near-infrared too to reflect a lot of near-infrared too to reflect a lot of near-infrared too much near infrared can be damaging yes much near infrared can be damaging yes much near infrared can be damaging yes so when we it when it's used so when we it when it's used so when we it when it's used therapeutically you have to have the therapeutically you have to have the therapeutically you have to have the device close to you you know perhaps device close to you you know perhaps device close to you you know perhaps something small like this being pressed something small like this being pressed something small like this being pressed right into the skin because you've got right into the skin because you've got right into the skin because you've got to get it through the skin the photons to get it through the skin the photons to get it through the skin the photons of light of God get passed our natural of light of God get passed our natural of light of God get passed our natural reflective property of our skin past the reflective property of our skin past the reflective property of our skin past the skin and then transmitting deeper down skin and then transmitting deeper down skin and then transmitting deeper down into tissue and stimulating ourselves into tissue and stimulating ourselves into tissue and stimulating ourselves like we were talking about having a like we were talking about having a like we were talking about having a layer of sweat on your skin I would layer of sweat on your skin I would layer of sweat on your skin I would think is likely just to add that skins think is likely just to add that skins think is likely just to add that skins reflection of the light or blocking of reflection of the light or blocking of reflection of the light or blocking of the light a parent apparently if our

1:00the light a parent apparently if our the light a parent apparently if our body is warmed up the light doesn't body is warmed up the light doesn't body is warmed up the light doesn't transmit through our tissue as well if transmit through our tissue as well if transmit through our tissue as well if we're warmed up rather than when we're we're warmed up rather than when we're we're warmed up rather than when we're just at normal temperature yeah I've got just at normal temperature yeah I've got just at normal temperature yeah I've got a lot of lot of limitations and flaws a lot of lot of limitations and flaws a lot of lot of limitations and flaws with with mounting the heat lamp all with with mounting the heat lamp all with with mounting the heat lamp all through the quartz halogen tube heaters through the quartz halogen tube heaters through the quartz halogen tube heaters and the saunas for the purpose of and the saunas for the purpose of and the saunas for the purpose of delivering the PBM T as as you and I delivering the PBM T as as you and I delivering the PBM T as as you and I know a reasonable amount about and know a reasonable amount about and know a reasonable amount about and yourself in particular I know you've dug yourself in particular I know you've dug yourself in particular I know you've dug deeper than I and done all sorts of deeper than I and done all sorts of deeper than I and done all sorts of testing on all the different LED panels testing on all the different LED panels testing on all the different LED panels yeah it's and I think as a result of yeah it's and I think as a result of yeah it's and I think as a result of that like uncle of the Raiders who that like uncle of the Raiders who that like uncle of the Raiders who obviously follow my stuff for the red obviously follow my stuff for the red obviously follow my stuff for the red light therapy C tests are doing articles light therapy C tests are doing articles light therapy C tests are doing articles I published and now we know look at I published and now we know look at I published and now we know look at saunas as well I often saunas as well I often saunas as well I often people were emailing me saying well do I

1:01people were emailing me saying well do I people were emailing me saying well do I really need a bus wanna and a red light really need a bus wanna and a red light really need a bus wanna and a red light therapy panel can I not just go out and therapy panel can I not just go out and therapy panel can I not just go out and get one of these you know full spectrum get one of these you know full spectrum get one of these you know full spectrum with thermal behavior light bulbs or you with thermal behavior light bulbs or you with thermal behavior light bulbs or you know panels or whatever whatever's being know panels or whatever whatever's being know panels or whatever whatever's being marketed at the time because then the marketed at the time because then the marketed at the time because then the theory is well I'm getting some there theory is well I'm getting some there theory is well I'm getting some there and for it and maybe even visible great and for it and maybe even visible great and for it and maybe even visible great red light from from that bulb plus I'm red light from from that bulb plus I'm red light from from that bulb plus I'm getting that the heat you know the mid getting that the heat you know the mid getting that the heat you know the mid in the fire red so I'm getting all in in the fire red so I'm getting all in in the fire red so I'm getting all in one package but but more must be better one package but but more must be better one package but but more must be better and you know that's the marketing and you know that's the marketing and you know that's the marketing strategy you know and it sounds good strategy you know and it sounds good strategy you know and it sounds good because I think I think you and I and because I think I think you and I and because I think I think you and I and just you know we've looked at the just you know we've looked at the just you know we've looked at the science behind PB MT and then we're science behind PB MT and then we're science behind PB MT and then we're taking that knowledge that you and I taking that knowledge that you and I taking that knowledge that you and I have regarding that and then looking at have regarding that and then looking at have regarding that and then looking at the soreness and thinking this doesn't the soreness and thinking this doesn't the soreness and thinking this doesn't gel yeah yeah yeah and and again it's gel yeah yeah yeah and and again it's gel yeah yeah yeah and and again it's it's very easy to yeah see that argument it's very easy to yeah see that argument it's very easy to yeah see that argument and be like oh that makes sense and be like oh that makes sense and be like oh that makes sense I'm gonna save myself a bunch of money

1:02I'm gonna save myself a bunch of money I'm gonna save myself a bunch of money and just use one device and and it was and just use one device and and it was and just use one device and and it was something that I again like I was something that I again like I was something that I again like I was looking into myself years ago I was like looking into myself years ago I was like looking into myself years ago I was like why do we need specific things but I why do we need specific things but I why do we need specific things but I think now I think we're probably both on think now I think we're probably both on think now I think we're probably both on the same page where you're better off the same page where you're better off the same page where you're better off having specific devices or specific having specific devices or specific having specific devices or specific technology for for each purpose so in technology for for each purpose so in technology for for each purpose so in this case you used a sauna like yours this case you used a sauna like yours this case you used a sauna like yours which has primarily will all fire and which has primarily will all fire and which has primarily will all fire and frayed light and then you use that for frayed light and then you use that for frayed light and then you use that for the heat the sweat the detoxification the heat the sweat the detoxification the heat the sweat the detoxification benefits that that that light brings to benefits that that that light brings to benefits that that that light brings to the body and then on the other hand you the body and then on the other hand you the body and then on the other hand you use in their infrared light panel such use in their infrared light panel such use in their infrared light panel such as the LED panel you got there as the LED panel you got there as the LED panel you got there which emits near Fred and maybe red which emits near Fred and maybe red which emits near Fred and maybe red light and a specific wavelength and light and a specific wavelength and light and a specific wavelength and doesn't put out any heat so you can get doesn't put out any heat so you can get doesn't put out any heat so you can get in close contact with it and you know in close contact with it and you know in close contact with it and you know you use one for one job and the other you use one for one job and the other you use one for one job and the other for another job and if you try to blame for another job and if you try to blame for another job and if you try to blame them you probably get nowhere and you

1:03them you probably get nowhere and you them you probably get nowhere and you might be wasting time money and in fact might be wasting time money and in fact might be wasting time money and in fact you could even be potentially doing harm you could even be potentially doing harm you could even be potentially doing harm because I know there is some research because I know there is some research because I know there is some research out there around in there Fred you know out there around in there Fred you know out there around in there Fred you know like to mention overexposure and whatnot like to mention overexposure and whatnot like to mention overexposure and whatnot you know yeah there's a fair there's a you know yeah there's a fair there's a you know yeah there's a fair there's a significant body of research out there I significant body of research out there I significant body of research out there I haven't covered it all but I've seen haven't covered it all but I've seen haven't covered it all but I've seen enough papers now regarding you know the enough papers now regarding you know the enough papers now regarding you know the hazards of excessive infrared a lot of hazards of excessive infrared a lot of hazards of excessive infrared a lot of scientific papers are seeing to be scientific papers are seeing to be scientific papers are seeing to be calling for you know I they used they calling for you know I they used they calling for you know I they used they often use the term IRA because rather often use the term IRA because rather often use the term IRA because rather than near mid far they'll often say IRA than near mid far they'll often say IRA than near mid far they'll often say IRA BC so they're often talking about IRA BC so they're often talking about IRA BC so they're often talking about IRA and photo aging of the skin a lot of and photo aging of the skin a lot of and photo aging of the skin a lot of papers seem to be calling to you know papers seem to be calling to you know papers seem to be calling to you know review and look at IRA again acting much review and look at IRA again acting much review and look at IRA again acting much more akin to UV that can have damaging

1:04more akin to UV that can have damaging more akin to UV that can have damaging effects to the skin there's there's a effects to the skin there's there's a effects to the skin there's there's a condition that's no one has bakers arm condition that's no one has bakers arm condition that's no one has bakers arm folks who have their arms in and out of folks who have their arms in and out of folks who have their arms in and out of hot ovens throughout their careers and hot ovens throughout their careers and hot ovens throughout their careers and they have a photo aging effects and skin they have a photo aging effects and skin they have a photo aging effects and skin damage from that and that's attributed damage from that and that's attributed damage from that and that's attributed to the near-infrared that's inside of to the near-infrared that's inside of to the near-infrared that's inside of these hot ovens folks who work with these hot ovens folks who work with these hot ovens folks who work with molten metal and molten glass and high molten metal and molten glass and high molten metal and molten glass and high rate of cataracts and again maybe rate of cataracts and again maybe rate of cataracts and again maybe photoaging to the skin again that's photoaging to the skin again that's photoaging to the skin again that's attributed to near-infrared from the attributed to near-infrared from the attributed to near-infrared from the exposure that they have yeah that's exposure that they have yeah that's exposure that they have yeah that's fascinating because generally those sort fascinating because generally those sort fascinating because generally those sort of issues were often um related or of issues were often um related or of issues were often um related or believed to be related to the UV like believed to be related to the UV like believed to be related to the UV like which is completely different end of the which is completely different end of the which is completely different end of the spectrum so I mean it is very spectrum so I mean it is very spectrum so I mean it is very fascinating that's why I've looked into fascinating that's why I've looked into fascinating that's why I've looked into this a little bit more now I'm like I this a little bit more now I'm like I this a little bit more now I'm like I don't want a sauna with near infrared don't want a sauna with near infrared don't want a sauna with near infrared and it I'd rather have a sauna that's

1:05and it I'd rather have a sauna that's and it I'd rather have a sauna that's primarily or exclusively front of red primarily or exclusively front of red primarily or exclusively front of red and then I know I can get my benefits of and then I know I can get my benefits of and then I know I can get my benefits of veneer for it using the narrow freed veneer for it using the narrow freed veneer for it using the narrow freed panels the LED panels yeah it's gonna do panels the LED panels yeah it's gonna do panels the LED panels yeah it's gonna do that for a few minutes as you know yeah that for a few minutes as you know yeah that for a few minutes as you know yeah been just about five or ten minutes yep been just about five or ten minutes yep been just about five or ten minutes yep the idea of doing near-infrared in a in the idea of doing near-infrared in a in the idea of doing near-infrared in a in a sauna you know most of us are using a a sauna you know most of us are using a a sauna you know most of us are using a foreign thread so on and having a good foreign thread so on and having a good foreign thread so on and having a good sweat sweat sweat spending 30 to 60 minutes mm-hmm but the spending 30 to 60 minutes mm-hmm but the spending 30 to 60 minutes mm-hmm but the PBM tea as you know is just done for a PBM tea as you know is just done for a PBM tea as you know is just done for a matter of minutes as little as two matter of minutes as little as two matter of minutes as little as two minutes this this device right here when minutes this this device right here when minutes this this device right here when you push the on button it just turns on you push the on button it just turns on you push the on button it just turns on for 88 seconds it delivers it delivers for 88 seconds it delivers it delivers for 88 seconds it delivers it delivers for Jewel's for Jewel's for Jewel's and 83 seconds and that that's one dose and 83 seconds and that that's one dose and 83 seconds and that that's one dose this is the mini version of the device this is the mini version of the device this is the mini version of the device that was used in the NASA studies that was used in the NASA studies that was used in the NASA studies develop my company called quantum develop my company called quantum develop my company called quantum devices this is the warp 10 they use

1:06devices this is the warp 10 they use devices this is the warp 10 they use they also had a bigger version that was they also had a bigger version that was they also had a bigger version that was the warp 7 but this is a lot of the warp 7 but this is a lot of the warp 7 but this is a lot of Technology in here it delivers a dose Technology in here it delivers a dose Technology in here it delivers a dose eighty eight seconds four joules that's eighty eight seconds four joules that's eighty eight seconds four joules that's it it yeah that's the ghost so the idea of yeah that's the ghost so the idea of yeah that's the ghost so the idea of mounting the devices again the heat lamp mounting the devices again the heat lamp mounting the devices again the heat lamp bulbs are the core quartz tube heaters bulbs are the core quartz tube heaters bulbs are the core quartz tube heaters on the wall of a sauna and exposing on the wall of a sauna and exposing on the wall of a sauna and exposing yourself to that for 30 or 45 minutes yourself to that for 30 or 45 minutes yourself to that for 30 or 45 minutes that's you know that's not what is that's you know that's not what is that's you know that's not what is suggested in all the research yeah not suggested in all the research yeah not suggested in all the research yeah not at all at all yeah it's fascinating all right look yeah it's fascinating all right look yeah it's fascinating all right look we're getting towards the end of this we're getting towards the end of this we're getting towards the end of this call but what I wanted to do I do want call but what I wanted to do I do want call but what I wanted to do I do want to touch on a little bit more about your to touch on a little bit more about your to touch on a little bit more about your particular saunas so I'll get a couple particular saunas so I'll get a couple particular saunas so I'll get a couple of questions here and we'll get through of questions here and we'll get through of questions here and we'll get through them and maybe we can always come back them and maybe we can always come back them and maybe we can always come back another day and go through some other another day and go through some other another day and go through some other questions on on the infrared sauna space questions on on the infrared sauna space questions on on the infrared sauna space because there are a lot of things that I because there are a lot of things that I because there are a lot of things that I did want to cover but I'm looking at

1:07did want to cover but I'm looking at did want to cover but I'm looking at your sign is now so when I did my your sign is now so when I did my your sign is now so when I did my testing I've got an EMF meter here sure testing I've got an EMF meter here sure testing I've got an EMF meter here sure it's not a professional standard one I it's not a professional standard one I it's not a professional standard one I was only a couple hundred dollars at was only a couple hundred dollars at was only a couple hundred dollars at cornet meter but I have had it cornet meter but I have had it cornet meter but I have had it compared to geo vital consultant who had compared to geo vital consultant who had compared to geo vital consultant who had his multi-thousand dollar meters and the his multi-thousand dollar meters and the his multi-thousand dollar meters and the readings were very very similar he was readings were very very similar he was readings were very very similar he was quite impressed so I'm not gonna say quite impressed so I'm not gonna say quite impressed so I'm not gonna say that my numbers were you know take it to that my numbers were you know take it to that my numbers were you know take it to the lab you know these are the best the lab you know these are the best the lab you know these are the best numbers out there but they do give a numbers out there but they do give a numbers out there but they do give a pretty good indication of how much pretty good indication of how much pretty good indication of how much exposure is coming from a device now use exposure is coming from a device now use exposure is coming from a device now use that meter to test your panels and I that meter to test your panels and I that meter to test your panels and I have to say I was very surprised because have to say I was very surprised because have to say I was very surprised because the EMF numbers the EMF numbers the EMF numbers pretty much rock-bottom I mean I've my pretty much rock-bottom I mean I've my pretty much rock-bottom I mean I've my cornet meter programs using building cornet meter programs using building cornet meter programs using building Balaji stealth standards and it's color Balaji stealth standards and it's color Balaji stealth standards and it's color coded green yellow red on the side and coded green yellow red on the side and coded green yellow red on the side and when it picks up a reading it will say when it picks up a reading it will say when it picks up a reading it will say you know it's a safe or is it dangerous you know it's a safe or is it dangerous you know it's a safe or is it dangerous yeah yeah yeah and all your numbers yeah yeah yeah and all your numbers yeah yeah yeah and all your numbers electric magnetic microwave obviously

1:08electric magnetic microwave obviously electric magnetic microwave obviously all your numbers were in the green and all your numbers were in the green and all your numbers were in the green and there was very very little movement there was very very little movement there was very very little movement between switching the sauna on and off between switching the sauna on and off between switching the sauna on and off which it was insane because you know which it was insane because you know which it was insane because you know when you think about the electronics in when you think about the electronics in when you think about the electronics in a sauna and how big these panels are I a sauna and how big these panels are I a sauna and how big these panels are I didn't expect that so what have you done didn't expect that so what have you done didn't expect that so what have you done because I know a lot of companies say on because I know a lot of companies say on because I know a lot of companies say on a low EMF um and yes some of them are a low EMF um and yes some of them are a low EMF um and yes some of them are low but they still you know the story low but they still you know the story low but they still you know the story you may have been emitted there um how you may have been emitted there um how you may have been emitted there um how did you get yours pretty much not low em did you get yours pretty much not low em did you get yours pretty much not low em if a 0 here methyl or no EMF if a 0 here methyl or no EMF if a 0 here methyl or no EMF what were you done there well about ten what were you done there well about ten what were you done there well about ten years ago we introduced a heater we years ago we introduced a heater we years ago we introduced a heater we weren't the first sauna company to do weren't the first sauna company to do weren't the first sauna company to do this but we were certainly one of the this but we were certainly one of the this but we were certainly one of the first we introduced a heater that hugely first we introduced a heater that hugely first we introduced a heater that hugely reduced the EMF magnetic fields that was reduced the EMF magnetic fields that was reduced the EMF magnetic fields that was about ten years ago about ten years ago about ten years ago now whenever you run an electrical

1:09now whenever you run an electrical now whenever you run an electrical current through a wire or through a current through a wire or through a current through a wire or through a heater or any electrical appliance heater or any electrical appliance heater or any electrical appliance there's actually two different fields there's actually two different fields there's actually two different fields that are created there's the terminology that are created there's the terminology that are created there's the terminology that I use you will see different that I use you will see different that I use you will see different terminology which makes things a bit terminology which makes things a bit terminology which makes things a bit confusing but a common terminology is confusing but a common terminology is confusing but a common terminology is EMF referring to the magnetic field the EMF referring to the magnetic field the EMF referring to the magnetic field the second field that's created by an second field that's created by an second field that's created by an electrical current is the electric field electrical current is the electric field electrical current is the electric field and that's often abbreviated as EF or e and that's often abbreviated as EF or e and that's often abbreviated as EF or e LF so for ten years LF so for ten years LF so for ten years 10 years ago we managed to reduce the 10 years ago we managed to reduce the 10 years ago we managed to reduce the EMF magnetic fields drastically bringing EMF magnetic fields drastically bringing EMF magnetic fields drastically bringing that down to an average of less than 1 that down to an average of less than 1 that down to an average of less than 1 milli volts across the surface of our milli volts across the surface of our milli volts across the surface of our heater just recently it's a year ago now heater just recently it's a year ago now heater just recently it's a year ago now that we finalized the design on a new

1:10that we finalized the design on a new that we finalized the design on a new heater and several tweaks to the wiring heater and several tweaks to the wiring heater and several tweaks to the wiring throughout our sauna the power box of throughout our sauna the power box of throughout our sauna the power box of our sauna really the entire electrical our sauna really the entire electrical our sauna really the entire electrical system and this new system I call it EHS system and this new system I call it EHS system and this new system I call it EHS it also reduces the electric field so it also reduces the electric field so it also reduces the electric field so our song is now for 2020 it was 2020 our song is now for 2020 it was 2020 our song is now for 2020 it was 2020 that we phased it in to all of our sauna that we phased it in to all of our sauna that we phased it in to all of our sauna models these are this is our new EHS models these are this is our new EHS models these are this is our new EHS line cancelling out both the EMF line cancelling out both the EMF line cancelling out both the EMF magnetic fields and the EF electric magnetic fields and the EF electric magnetic fields and the EF electric fields I think we did a great job of it fields I think we did a great job of it fields I think we did a great job of it we've got the electric fields down to we've got the electric fields down to we've got the electric fields down to essentially nothing a lot of my test essentially nothing a lot of my test essentially nothing a lot of my test readings are zero no but it might be readings are zero no but it might be readings are zero no but it might be this and this is bolt per meter is how this and this is bolt per meter is how this and this is bolt per meter is how the electric fields are measured a lot the electric fields are measured a lot the electric fields are measured a lot of my readings are zero it might be one

1:11of my readings are zero it might be one of my readings are zero it might be one two three four volts per meter two three four volts per meter two three four volts per meter this is incredibly low just incredibly this is incredibly low just incredibly this is incredibly low just incredibly low for electric fields low for electric fields low for electric fields so we're very proud of that very happy so we're very proud of that very happy so we're very proud of that very happy about accomplishing that I certainly about accomplishing that I certainly about accomplishing that I certainly don't take all the credit don't take all the credit don't take all the credit we you know we brought in a PhD an we you know we brought in a PhD an we you know we brought in a PhD an electrical engineer from the University electrical engineer from the University electrical engineer from the University he worked with our in-house engine here he worked with our in-house engine here he worked with our in-house engine here it took a while I was at the factory it took a while I was at the factory it took a while I was at the factory contributing had a few ideas of my own contributing had a few ideas of my own contributing had a few ideas of my own and it was a team effort for certain and and it was a team effort for certain and and it was a team effort for certain and it took some time and we finally got it took some time and we finally got it took some time and we finally got these electric fields down to incredibly these electric fields down to incredibly these electric fields down to incredibly low levels the EHS term I did I borrowed low levels the EHS term I did I borrowed low levels the EHS term I did I borrowed that from the term that from the term that from the term electrohypersensitivity yeah yeah no electrohypersensitivity yeah yeah no electrohypersensitivity yeah yeah no it's it's it was a surprise saying how it's it's it was a surprise saying how it's it's it was a surprise saying how low the numbers were and I know a lot of

1:12low the numbers were and I know a lot of low the numbers were and I know a lot of people in the biohacking space you know people in the biohacking space you know people in the biohacking space you know in the health and wellness space in the health and wellness space in the health and wellness space becoming very aware of the whole you becoming very aware of the whole you becoming very aware of the whole you know the potential issues health issues know the potential issues health issues know the potential issues health issues on a non-native EMF and a lot of people on a non-native EMF and a lot of people on a non-native EMF and a lot of people are looking for devices and technology are looking for devices and technology are looking for devices and technology now that I'm alone in if you know now that I'm alone in if you know now that I'm alone in if you know wearables people don't want to use them wearables people don't want to use them wearables people don't want to use them because it's always posting Bluetooth because it's always posting Bluetooth because it's always posting Bluetooth and stuff like that so it's definitely and stuff like that so it's definitely and stuff like that so it's definitely um the market is waking up to the this um the market is waking up to the this um the market is waking up to the this issue and I think yeah I think you've issue and I think yeah I think you've issue and I think yeah I think you've done something that is quite impressive done something that is quite impressive done something that is quite impressive with her hello with her hello with her hello virtually non-existent these numbers up virtually non-existent these numbers up virtually non-existent these numbers up because you know people buy a sauna for because you know people buy a sauna for because you know people buy a sauna for health right like you're not buying it health right like you're not buying it health right like you're not buying it to use on a Saturday night like for to use on a Saturday night like for to use on a Saturday night like for entertainment purposes you're you're entertainment purposes you're you're entertainment purposes you're you're typically buying a sauna for the health typically buying a sauna for the health typically buying a sauna for the health benefits you're gonna get from it so um benefits you're gonna get from it so um benefits you're gonna get from it so um you don't want to be buying something you don't want to be buying something you don't want to be buying something that you could be sitting in and exposed that you could be sitting in and exposed that you could be sitting in and exposed to an extremely high you know stressful to an extremely high you know stressful to an extremely high you know stressful EMF low it's just right this is a big

1:13EMF low it's just right this is a big EMF low it's just right this is a big disconnect there so I think it's it's disconnect there so I think it's it's disconnect there so I think it's it's great knowing that there is a product great knowing that there is a product great knowing that there is a product out there that not only is a great out there that not only is a great out there that not only is a great infrared sauna but it is virtually infrared sauna but it is virtually infrared sauna but it is virtually non-existent EMS with issues so um and non-existent EMS with issues so um and non-existent EMS with issues so um and it's very cool and and yet it definitely it's very cool and and yet it definitely it's very cool and and yet it definitely uh makes me feel a thing the thing about uh makes me feel a thing the thing about uh makes me feel a thing the thing about the EMS is that you know the EMS is that you know the EMS is that you know we have you surrounded by the heaters in we have you surrounded by the heaters in we have you surrounded by the heaters in the sauna and the heaters are large as the sauna and the heaters are large as the sauna and the heaters are large as we were talking about the EMS not this we were talking about the EMS not this we were talking about the EMS not this heater not art not how our heaters but heater not art not how our heaters but heater not art not how our heaters but in so many of the saunas that haven't in so many of the saunas that haven't in so many of the saunas that haven't done anything any development with their done anything any development with their done anything any development with their heaters to reduce magnetic fields heaters to reduce magnetic fields heaters to reduce magnetic fields they'll have a significant magnetic they'll have a significant magnetic they'll have a significant magnetic field coming off this eater surface and field coming off this eater surface and field coming off this eater surface and it comes off the entire surface it's not it comes off the entire surface it's not it comes off the entire surface it's not just one spot or one strip it's the just one spot or one strip it's the just one spot or one strip it's the entire heater surface that it entire heater surface that it entire heater surface that it potentially can be coming from and then potentially can be coming from and then potentially can be coming from and then you're sitting in the small sauna room

1:14you're sitting in the small sauna room you're sitting in the small sauna room you know hopefully you having a good you know hopefully you having a good you know hopefully you having a good sweat for 30 or 40 minutes and doing sweat for 30 or 40 minutes and doing sweat for 30 or 40 minutes and doing that two or three times a week that two or three times a week that two or three times a week potentially that is a lot of EMF potentially that is a lot of EMF potentially that is a lot of EMF exposure you don't everything electrical exposure you don't everything electrical exposure you don't everything electrical almost everything electrical produces on almost everything electrical produces on almost everything electrical produces on magnetic fields but if it's your magnetic fields but if it's your magnetic fields but if it's your refrigerator refrigerator refrigerator well you don't stand beside your well you don't stand beside your well you don't stand beside your refrigerator a great length of time Zana refrigerator a great length of time Zana refrigerator a great length of time Zana we want people to be using this on us to we want people to be using this on us to we want people to be using this on us to get in there I could add up to a few get in there I could add up to a few get in there I could add up to a few hours each week and indeed that could hours each week and indeed that could hours each week and indeed that could add up to a lot of magnetic fields if add up to a lot of magnetic fields if add up to a lot of magnetic fields if you don't have a heater technology you don't have a heater technology you don't have a heater technology that's eliminating them yeah very cool that's eliminating them yeah very cool that's eliminating them yeah very cool I've got one of the questions instead of I've got one of the questions instead of I've got one of the questions instead of it well it's kind of a personal question it well it's kind of a personal question it well it's kind of a personal question I mean it's more my my own interest yet I mean it's more my my own interest yet I mean it's more my my own interest yet your son has come with a bunch of free your son has come with a bunch of free your son has come with a bunch of free accessories and I think it's awesome accessories and I think it's awesome accessories and I think it's awesome because some other companies charge because some other companies charge because some other companies charge extra extra extra you know they upsell you to buy these uh you know they upsell you to buy these uh you know they upsell you to buy these uh you know like a back support rest and a

1:15you know like a back support rest and a you know like a back support rest and a foot bench and stuff and you also has foot bench and stuff and you also has foot bench and stuff and you also has come with the foot bench they come with come with the foot bench they come with come with the foot bench they come with a back support the backrest they come a back support the backrest they come a back support the backrest they come with and they also come with a few other with and they also come with a few other with and they also come with a few other items that I know I've seen in saunas items that I know I've seen in saunas items that I know I've seen in saunas but I'm not 100 percent sure of why but I'm not 100 percent sure of why but I'm not 100 percent sure of why people use them and the benefit so the people use them and the benefit so the people use them and the benefit so the first one I want to ask you about is the first one I want to ask you about is the first one I want to ask you about is the Hat the sauna hat what's the what's the Hat the sauna hat what's the what's the Hat the sauna hat what's the what's the idea behind this game ashame we don't idea behind this game ashame we don't idea behind this game ashame we don't have one here at the moment to show have one here at the moment to show have one here at the moment to show everybody but the the wool felt sauna everybody but the the wool felt sauna everybody but the the wool felt sauna hat yeah nothing new you know I probably yeah nothing new you know I probably came out of Europe very common for in came out of Europe very common for in came out of Europe very common for in traditional sauna use and the hot rock traditional sauna use and the hot rock traditional sauna use and the hot rock saunas and my understanding is that it saunas and my understanding is that it saunas and my understanding is that it helps keep you a little more comfortable helps keep you a little more comfortable helps keep you a little more comfortable by keeping direct heat off your head I by keeping direct heat off your head I by keeping direct heat off your head I had just been a bit more sensitive so had just been a bit more sensitive so had just been a bit more sensitive so wearing the Hat and wool felts on a hat

1:16wearing the Hat and wool felts on a hat wearing the Hat and wool felts on a hat is keeping direct heat off your head so is keeping direct heat off your head so is keeping direct heat off your head so you're feeling a bit more comfortable I you're feeling a bit more comfortable I you're feeling a bit more comfortable I know a lot of folks will wear it to know a lot of folks will wear it to know a lot of folks will wear it to protect their hair perhaps there's an I protect their hair perhaps there's an I protect their hair perhaps there's an I don't experience this myself but you don't experience this myself but you don't experience this myself but you know maybe a drying effect on the hair know maybe a drying effect on the hair know maybe a drying effect on the hair from going into the sauna so to have is from going into the sauna so to have is from going into the sauna so to have is gonna protect your hair a little bit do gonna protect your hair a little bit do gonna protect your hair a little bit do you have that probably good in here too you have that probably good in here too you have that probably good in here too a worry about that okay and then also keeping heat in in your and then also keeping heat in in your body because we do release a lot lose a body because we do release a lot lose a body because we do release a lot lose a lot of heat out of our body through the lot of heat out of our body through the lot of heat out of our body through the top of our head and the sauna hat will top of our head and the sauna hat will top of our head and the sauna hat will help keep the heat in your body so by help keep the heat in your body so by help keep the heat in your body so by keeping the heat in your body and by keeping the heat in your body and by keeping the heat in your body and by remaining a little bit more comfortable remaining a little bit more comfortable remaining a little bit more comfortable you can probably stay in a bit longer you can probably stay in a bit longer you can probably stay in a bit longer and then overall sweating more okay yeah and then overall sweating more okay yeah and then overall sweating more okay yeah because I know when I was in Finland and because I know when I was in Finland and because I know when I was in Finland and I went to some traditional sauna houses

1:17I went to some traditional sauna houses I went to some traditional sauna houses there and I saw a lot of the guys using there and I saw a lot of the guys using there and I saw a lot of the guys using those hats over there so I know in there those hats over there so I know in there those hats over there so I know in there there must be a good reason behind it there must be a good reason behind it there must be a good reason behind it yeah I haven't expertise in a few sauna yeah I haven't expertise in a few sauna yeah I haven't expertise in a few sauna sessions I do this week you know see if sessions I do this week you know see if sessions I do this week you know see if I feel different I'll see if I noticed I feel different I'll see if I noticed I feel different I'll see if I noticed my hair doesn't get us dry but that's my hair doesn't get us dry but that's my hair doesn't get us dry but that's good it's good and see if you can stay good it's good and see if you can stay good it's good and see if you can stay in a bit your endurance is greater with in a bit your endurance is greater with in a bit your endurance is greater with the sauna hat but for me I find it is the sauna hat but for me I find it is the sauna hat but for me I find it is really all right you know it may be a really all right you know it may be a really all right you know it may be a subtle big difference but I believe it subtle big difference but I believe it subtle big difference but I believe it makes a difference all right and then makes a difference all right and then makes a difference all right and then the other question I had is the the other question I had is the the other question I had is the essential oil glass I mean it just looks essential oil glass I mean it just looks essential oil glass I mean it just looks like yeah a shot glass now I know you like yeah a shot glass now I know you like yeah a shot glass now I know you know you're not gonna be doing tequila know you're not gonna be doing tequila know you're not gonna be doing tequila shots in the middle of your sauna but shots in the middle of your sauna but shots in the middle of your sauna but the idea here is you put essential oils the idea here is you put essential oils the idea here is you put essential oils and and we'll burn off again I haven't used this we'll burn off again I haven't used this we'll burn off again I haven't used this so so how exactly it should it be used so so how exactly it should it be used so so how exactly it should it be used and what's the theory behind this system and what's the theory behind this system and what's the theory behind this system right right I'm not an expert in

1:18right right I'm not an expert in right right I'm not an expert in aromatherapy you know this is often aromatherapy you know this is often aromatherapy you know this is often referred to as aromatherapy where referred to as aromatherapy where referred to as aromatherapy where different essential oils are used such different essential oils are used such different essential oils are used such as lavender or eucalyptus eucalyptus is as lavender or eucalyptus eucalyptus is as lavender or eucalyptus eucalyptus is probably the most common commonly used probably the most common commonly used probably the most common commonly used as saunas it's steam rooms so I can't as saunas it's steam rooms so I can't as saunas it's steam rooms so I can't speak at length regarding aromatherapy speak at length regarding aromatherapy speak at length regarding aromatherapy there's so many different essential oils there's so many different essential oils there's so many different essential oils that are reported to have different that are reported to have different that are reported to have different benefits for people our unit is simple benefits for people our unit is simple benefits for people our unit is simple it's a little wooden holder it hangs out it's a little wooden holder it hangs out it's a little wooden holder it hangs out in front of the heater in front of the heater in front of the heater the wooden hold yeah the wooden holder the wooden hold yeah the wooden holder the wooden hold yeah the wooden holder has a small essentially looks like a has a small essentially looks like a has a small essentially looks like a shot glass most folks are put in a bit shot glass most folks are put in a bit shot glass most folks are put in a bit of water and then there are sensual oils of water and then there are sensual oils of water and then there are sensual oils on top of that you can a the heat the on top of that you can a the heat the on top of that you can a the heat the radiant heat coming off the heater is radiant heat coming off the heater is radiant heat coming off the heater is going to vaporize I suppose need that going to vaporize I suppose need that going to vaporize I suppose need that oil if it is subtle you know this is not

1:19oil if it is subtle you know this is not oil if it is subtle you know this is not as strong as having say a diffuser right as strong as having say a diffuser right as strong as having say a diffuser right your sauna where you're creating that your sauna where you're creating that your sauna where you're creating that fine mist and you know perhaps an fine mist and you know perhaps an fine mist and you know perhaps an aromatherapist a real purist might argue aromatherapist a real purist might argue aromatherapist a real purist might argue that ours is too subtle it's not strong that ours is too subtle it's not strong that ours is too subtle it's not strong enough I'm not sure there to be to have enough I'm not sure there to be to have enough I'm not sure there to be to have a true aromatherapy effect nevertheless a true aromatherapy effect nevertheless a true aromatherapy effect nevertheless lots of our customers use it without a lots of our customers use it without a lots of our customers use it without a lot of our customers use it and they lot of our customers use it and they lot of our customers use it and they like it ya know I wanted to check you like it ya know I wanted to check you like it ya know I wanted to check you before I use it cause I wasn't too sure before I use it cause I wasn't too sure before I use it cause I wasn't too sure if those men to add water and so well if those men to add water and so well if those men to add water and so well definitely try it because I'm yeah I definitely try it because I'm yeah I definitely try it because I'm yeah I mean even even just that pleasant smell mean even even just that pleasant smell mean even even just that pleasant smell when you get into the solo show that when you get into the solo show that when you get into the solo show that would be nicer but I must know those would be nicer but I must know those would be nicer but I must know those those included accessories you know I those included accessories you know I those included accessories you know I know you also come with a oh so it comes know you also come with a oh so it comes know you also come with a oh so it comes with a brush and a towel really good so with a brush and a towel really good so with a brush and a towel really good so on and so the foot pinch like I on and so the foot pinch like I on and so the foot pinch like I mentioned that the back support you know

1:20mentioned that the back support you know mentioned that the back support you know it's it's cool there's a it's it's cool there's a it's it's cool there's a lot of things included in the price lot of things included in the price lot of things included in the price which again made me you know I was very which again made me you know I was very which again made me you know I was very impressed with your not only the impressed with your not only the impressed with your not only the technology but the package deal your technology but the package deal your technology but the package deal your price and everything like that as well price and everything like that as well price and everything like that as well so on that note um give me the elevator so on that note um give me the elevator so on that note um give me the elevator pitch as to why someone should buy your pitch as to why someone should buy your pitch as to why someone should buy your sauna and compared to a competitor's sauna and compared to a competitor's sauna and compared to a competitor's sauna what's that the top two or three sauna what's that the top two or three sauna what's that the top two or three reasons why you know you're you you have reasons why you know you're you you have reasons why you know you're you you have the best sauna on the market well I the best sauna on the market well I the best sauna on the market well I think our claim to fame is really think our claim to fame is really think our claim to fame is really delivering more infrared radiant heat to delivering more infrared radiant heat to delivering more infrared radiant heat to your body you know certainly that must your body you know certainly that must your body you know certainly that must be the most important thing of an be the most important thing of an be the most important thing of an infrared sauna how much we call them infrared sauna how much we call them infrared sauna how much we call them infrared saunas how much infrared is is infrared saunas how much infrared is is infrared saunas how much infrared is is it actually delivering for you you know it actually delivering for you you know it actually delivering for you you know there are limitations with infrared there are limitations with infrared there are limitations with infrared saunas particularly here in North saunas particularly here in North saunas particularly here in North America we just have the 50 amp circuit

1:21America we just have the 50 amp circuit America we just have the 50 amp circuit some of our models are built on the 20 some of our models are built on the 20 some of our models are built on the 20 amp circuit there's only so much amp circuit there's only so much amp circuit there's only so much electricity there it's easy and there's electricity there it's easy and there's electricity there it's easy and there's lots of examples in the marketplace it's lots of examples in the marketplace it's lots of examples in the marketplace it's easy to melt in infrared sauna that easy to melt in infrared sauna that easy to melt in infrared sauna that doesn't work all that well that isn't doesn't work all that well that isn't doesn't work all that well that isn't delivering a lot of infrared to your delivering a lot of infrared to your delivering a lot of infrared to your body but I think we've done a good job body but I think we've done a good job body but I think we've done a good job of it by surrounding the 360 degrees of it by surrounding the 360 degrees of it by surrounding the 360 degrees particularly with our front mounted particularly with our front mounted particularly with our front mounted heaters also with our heaters being heaters also with our heaters being heaters also with our heaters being lower so our heaters are sized in a lower so our heaters are sized in a lower so our heaters are sized in a particular way they just come to your particular way they just come to your particular way they just come to your neck shoulder height about here on most neck shoulder height about here on most neck shoulder height about here on most folks we're trying to make the best use folks we're trying to make the best use folks we're trying to make the best use of this available power that we have we of this available power that we have we of this available power that we have we want to aim this radiant heat at the want to aim this radiant heat at the want to aim this radiant heat at the mass of your body right the bulk of our mass of your body right the bulk of our mass of your body right the bulk of our body is here in our torso I don't body is here in our torso I don't body is here in our torso I don't believe it's necessary to aim it here in believe it's necessary to aim it here in believe it's necessary to aim it here in our head or head doesn't make that much our head or head doesn't make that much our head or head doesn't make that much of our mask so to make the best use of

1:22of our mask so to make the best use of of our mask so to make the best use of the somewhat limited amount of power the the somewhat limited amount of power the the somewhat limited amount of power the heaters are low shoulder neck height heaters are low shoulder neck height heaters are low shoulder neck height wrapping around you 360 degrees and that wrapping around you 360 degrees and that wrapping around you 360 degrees and that just results in delivering more of the just results in delivering more of the just results in delivering more of the infrared radiant heat to your body infrared radiant heat to your body infrared radiant heat to your body and you know that's what it's all about and you know that's what it's all about and you know that's what it's all about that's how this honors work that's how that's how this honors work that's how that's how this honors work that's how they heat you out that's how they raise they heat you out that's how they raise they heat you out that's how they raise your core temperature stimulate your your core temperature stimulate your your core temperature stimulate your immune system and induce the heavy immune system and induce the heavy immune system and induce the heavy detoxing sweat we've got to heat you up detoxing sweat we've got to heat you up detoxing sweat we've got to heat you up well and most people would like to well and most people would like to well and most people would like to experience that quickly and have a heavy experience that quickly and have a heavy experience that quickly and have a heavy sweat and not sit in a poorly designed sweat and not sit in a poorly designed sweat and not sit in a poorly designed getting through it sauna that takes a getting through it sauna that takes a getting through it sauna that takes a long time to heat up and then just have long time to heat up and then just have long time to heat up and then just have an otter it's wet so first and foremost an otter it's wet so first and foremost an otter it's wet so first and foremost it's it's the experience in the sauna it's it's the experience in the sauna it's it's the experience in the sauna that I'm proud of just delivering more that I'm proud of just delivering more that I'm proud of just delivering more infrared and then of course the

1:23infrared and then of course the infrared and then of course the construction is important we don't want construction is important we don't want construction is important we don't want toxic materials in the sauna our saunas toxic materials in the sauna our saunas toxic materials in the sauna our saunas are 100% solid wood most of our models are 100% solid wood most of our models are 100% solid wood most of our models are constructed with hardwood basswood are constructed with hardwood basswood are constructed with hardwood basswood such as the bald thirty behind me here such as the bald thirty behind me here such as the bald thirty behind me here the the mini you know smaller in size the the mini you know smaller in size the the mini you know smaller in size smaller in price we do use the less smaller in price we do use the less smaller in price we do use the less expensive hemlock lumber for the mini expensive hemlock lumber for the mini expensive hemlock lumber for the mini but the hemlock is okay you have to take but the hemlock is okay you have to take but the hemlock is okay you have to take a little more care with it the hemlock a little more care with it the hemlock a little more care with it the hemlock is okay point being that we're using is okay point being that we're using is okay point being that we're using 100% solid woods either basswood or 100% solid woods either basswood or 100% solid woods either basswood or hemlock hemlock hemlock we don't use any ply woods we don't use we don't use any ply woods we don't use we don't use any ply woods we don't use any particle board we do everything we any particle board we do everything we any particle board we do everything we can just to minimize the synthetic can just to minimize the synthetic can just to minimize the synthetic materials that go into the sauna materials that go into the sauna materials that go into the sauna plywood's plywood's plywood's are by woods contain formaldehyde I mean are by woods contain formaldehyde I mean are by woods contain formaldehyde I mean almost always there's a few very

1:24almost always there's a few very almost always there's a few very specialized buy ones I believe that can specialized buy ones I believe that can specialized buy ones I believe that can be manufactured without from aldehyde be manufactured without from aldehyde be manufactured without from aldehyde but typically plywood has formaldehyde but typically plywood has formaldehyde but typically plywood has formaldehyde in it and the manufacturers are always in it and the manufacturers are always in it and the manufacturers are always enticed to use more formal dehyde enticed to use more formal dehyde enticed to use more formal dehyde because it speeds up the curing time and because it speeds up the curing time and because it speeds up the curing time and they can make it quicker and it's they can make it quicker and it's they can make it quicker and it's cheaper for them I don't believe plywood cheaper for them I don't believe plywood cheaper for them I don't believe plywood belongs in a sauna at all it it is belongs in a sauna at all it it is belongs in a sauna at all it it is commonplace and many brands to see commonplace and many brands to see commonplace and many brands to see plywood this helps speed up the plywood this helps speed up the plywood this helps speed up the manufacturing of the saunas the manufacturing of the saunas the manufacturing of the saunas the a sheet of plywood in the floor the roof a sheet of plywood in the floor the roof a sheet of plywood in the floor the roof the ceiling we don't use any a couple the ceiling we don't use any a couple the ceiling we don't use any a couple other things you know regarding other things you know regarding other things you know regarding non-toxic materials we will use a non-toxic materials we will use a non-toxic materials we will use a particular wood glue manufactured in the particular wood glue manufactured in the particular wood glue manufactured in the US brand name Titebond it meets the FDA US brand name Titebond it meets the FDA US brand name Titebond it meets the FDA criteria for food contact safety so it's criteria for food contact safety so it's criteria for food contact safety so it's absolutely a non-toxic water based wood absolutely a non-toxic water based wood absolutely a non-toxic water based wood glue the Jews for things like cutting

1:25glue the Jews for things like cutting glue the Jews for things like cutting boards and salad bowls we have a finish boards and salad bowls we have a finish boards and salad bowls we have a finish on the exterior of the sauna whips on the exterior of the sauna whips on the exterior of the sauna whips formaldehyde free water-based low Sheen formaldehyde free water-based low Sheen formaldehyde free water-based low Sheen to it to it to it most of the infrared saunas the cheaper most of the infrared saunas the cheaper most of the infrared saunas the cheaper brands in the marketplace are using an brands in the marketplace are using an brands in the marketplace are using an oil-based finish on the exterior of the oil-based finish on the exterior of the oil-based finish on the exterior of the sauna you know and most and most of the sauna you know and most and most of the sauna you know and most and most of the brands will have a mystery group you brands will have a mystery group you brands will have a mystery group you know that people can call up different know that people can call up different know that people can call up different companies and ask what kind of glue are companies and ask what kind of glue are companies and ask what kind of glue are you using and most of the companies you using and most of the companies you using and most of the companies won't be able to answer that for you won't be able to answer that for you won't be able to answer that for you very KOA it's definitely not only a very KOA it's definitely not only a very KOA it's definitely not only a well-designed sauna well-designed sauna well-designed sauna um but yeah it has to be one of the um but yeah it has to be one of the um but yeah it has to be one of the healthiest saunas on the market if not healthiest saunas on the market if not healthiest saunas on the market if not the healthiest ones on the market so I'm the healthiest ones on the market so I'm the healthiest ones on the market so I'm it's been a great been a great hour so it's been a great been a great hour so it's been a great been a great hour so and I know I've got a lot takeaways from and I know I've got a lot takeaways from and I know I've got a lot takeaways from this and I hope the people watching this and I hope the people watching this and I hope the people watching they've also learnt a few things so

1:26they've also learnt a few things so they've also learnt a few things so thank you for your time and thank you thank you for your time and thank you thank you for your time and thank you for sharing all your expertise if for sharing all your expertise if for sharing all your expertise if someone wants to know more about your someone wants to know more about your someone wants to know more about your saunas where should they go who should saunas where should they go who should saunas where should they go who should they call and I think you mentioned as they call and I think you mentioned as they call and I think you mentioned as well you might have a special deal going well you might have a special deal going well you might have a special deal going it at the moment how do they find out it at the moment how do they find out it at the moment how do they find out more about that or what do they have to more about that or what do they have to more about that or what do they have to do to write right well we distribute our do to write right well we distribute our do to write right well we distribute our Sunstream saunas in Canada the u.s. we Sunstream saunas in Canada the u.s. we Sunstream saunas in Canada the u.s. we have a warehouse in Canada and another have a warehouse in Canada and another have a warehouse in Canada and another warehouse in the US to ship the saunas warehouse in the US to ship the saunas warehouse in the US to ship the saunas all across North America Sunstream all across North America Sunstream all across North America Sunstream saunas are warehoused in Melbourne saunas are warehoused in Melbourne saunas are warehoused in Melbourne Australia in Auckland New Zealand so for Australia in Auckland New Zealand so for Australia in Auckland New Zealand so for any of your viewers or readers these are any of your viewers or readers these are any of your viewers or readers these are where the saunas are available where the saunas are available where the saunas are available and yeah reach out to myself here for and yeah reach out to myself here for and yeah reach out to myself here for North America and Sunstream saunas New North America and Sunstream saunas New North America and Sunstream saunas New Zealand Australia and talked to mark who Zealand Australia and talked to mark who Zealand Australia and talked to mark who I know you've connected with and yes we I know you've connected with and yes we I know you've connected with and yes we are very happy to offer that an extra

1:27are very happy to offer that an extra are very happy to offer that an extra hundred dollars off our regular but off hundred dollars off our regular but off hundred dollars off our regular but off the sale prices I should say not the the sale prices I should say not the the sale prices I should say not the regular prices but an extra hundred regular prices but an extra hundred regular prices but an extra hundred dollars off our current sale prices the dollars off our current sale prices the dollars off our current sale prices the folks who have tuned in to our chat folks who have tuned in to our chat folks who have tuned in to our chat today and and your other content that today and and your other content that today and and your other content that you've been good enough to put out about you've been good enough to put out about you've been good enough to put out about this honest they can just make a mention this honest they can just make a mention this honest they can just make a mention that they their follower of Alex Fergus that they their follower of Alex Fergus that they their follower of Alex Fergus and be happy to apply that discount Oh and be happy to apply that discount Oh and be happy to apply that discount Oh awesome that's that's a great deal so awesome that's that's a great deal so awesome that's that's a great deal so that's hundred dollars off the special that's hundred dollars off the special that's hundred dollars off the special prices which is yeah it's amazing so prices which is yeah it's amazing so prices which is yeah it's amazing so thanks for doing that I'm sure a lot of thanks for doing that I'm sure a lot of thanks for doing that I'm sure a lot of people are gonna take that up and so we people are gonna take that up and so we people are gonna take that up and so we do you have a website phone number do you have a website phone number do you have a website phone number what's the best way for people to get a what's the best way for people to get a what's the best way for people to get a hold of you or mark is it Sunstream hold of you or mark is it Sunstream hold of you or mark is it Sunstream saunas comm website I'm at Sunstream saunas comm website I'm at Sunstream saunas comm website I'm at Sunstream saunas comm for North America I'm not saunas comm for North America I'm not saunas comm for North America I'm not gonna remember marks website because you gonna remember marks website because you gonna remember marks website because you guys have got those long extensions on guys have got those long extensions on guys have got those long extensions on yeah yeah yeah you know what I'll put yeah yeah yeah you know what I'll put yeah yeah yeah you know what I'll put links put links below so people watching

1:28links put links below so people watching links put links below so people watching this just check out too many too many this just check out too many too many this just check out too many too many dots yeah yeah it's pretty easy to find dots yeah yeah it's pretty easy to find dots yeah yeah it's pretty easy to find I mean even if you if someone really or I mean even if you if someone really or I mean even if you if someone really or New Zealand ends up on your site you can New Zealand ends up on your site you can New Zealand ends up on your site you can redirect them anyway otherwise just redirect them anyway otherwise just redirect them anyway otherwise just message me and like you know make them message me and like you know make them message me and like you know make them put you in touch but again our Facebook put you in touch but again our Facebook put you in touch but again our Facebook page has lots of lots of photographs on page has lots of lots of photographs on page has lots of lots of photographs on our Facebook page the YouTube channel is our Facebook page the YouTube channel is our Facebook page the YouTube channel is a good place to go to see some of the a good place to go to see some of the a good place to go to see some of the EMF video testing EMF video testing EMF video testing yeah that's then of course YouTube yeah that's then of course YouTube yeah that's then of course YouTube videos Alex and I'm happy that you've videos Alex and I'm happy that you've videos Alex and I'm happy that you've done for us yeah I should mention though done for us yeah I should mention though done for us yeah I should mention though I'm for someone if you are looking at I'm for someone if you are looking at I'm for someone if you are looking at buying one of these saunas or any buying one of these saunas or any buying one of these saunas or any infrared sauna I mean I've got my review infrared sauna I mean I've got my review infrared sauna I mean I've got my review short check them out but check out short check them out but check out short check them out but check out Givens videos on his YouTube channel Givens videos on his YouTube channel Givens videos on his YouTube channel because some of your tests you know with because some of your tests you know with because some of your tests you know with your thermal imaging cameras and stuff your thermal imaging cameras and stuff your thermal imaging cameras and stuff and comparison tests and EMF testing and comparison tests and EMF testing and comparison tests and EMF testing it's pretty cool and yeah I mean just it's pretty cool and yeah I mean just it's pretty cool and yeah I mean just proves how well designed this sauna is

1:29proves how well designed this sauna is proves how well designed this sauna is in the technology that views so in the technology that views so in the technology that views so definitely recommend checking that out definitely recommend checking that out definitely recommend checking that out obviously if you have questions head obviously if you have questions head obviously if you have questions head over to Sun screen saunas calm and reach over to Sun screen saunas calm and reach over to Sun screen saunas calm and reach out to given or even myself I mean I've out to given or even myself I mean I've out to given or even myself I mean I've been using this one for a couple months been using this one for a couple months been using this one for a couple months now so I'm happy to share my input from now so I'm happy to share my input from now so I'm happy to share my input from from my side um but again thank you so from my side um but again thank you so from my side um but again thank you so much for your time thank you for sharing much for your time thank you for sharing much for your time thank you for sharing all your expertise and knowledge and you all your expertise and knowledge and you all your expertise and knowledge and you know bringing all these panels and know bringing all these panels and know bringing all these panels and accessories it's in the video today and accessories it's in the video today and accessories it's in the video today and it was great and um yeah I look forward it was great and um yeah I look forward it was great and um yeah I look forward to when we can do this again some other to when we can do this again some other to when we can do this again some other time because I'm there's still a lot of time because I'm there's still a lot of time because I'm there's still a lot of things that we could have touched on but things that we could have touched on but things that we could have touched on but this would have easily gone on for a this would have easily gone on for a this would have easily gone on for a couple of hours so we have to cut it couple of hours so we have to cut it couple of hours so we have to cut it here but again thank you and enjoy the here but again thank you and enjoy the here but again thank you and enjoy the rest of your day rest of your day rest of your day thanks so much Alex thank you how good thanks so much Alex thank you how good thanks so much Alex thank you how good was that I told you giving you a thing was that I told you giving you a thing was that I told you giving you a thing or two about infrared saunas and if you or two about infrared saunas and if you or two about infrared saunas and if you liked this video give me a thumbs up be liked this video give me a thumbs up be liked this video give me a thumbs up be sure to hit subscribe if you do want to sure to hit subscribe if you do want to sure to hit subscribe if you do want to know more about these Sunstream saunas

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Interview With Sun Stream Sauna Owner And Founder Kevin Halsey By Alex Fergus