Ice Baths Boost Testosterone Best Practices Tips w Tom Seager PhD
00:00do not ice bath for Recovery if what do not ice bath for Recovery if what you're trying to do is build muscle mass you're trying to do is build muscle mass you're trying to do is build muscle mass if I don't know you're in the Tour de if I don't know you're in the Tour de if I don't know you're in the Tour de France and you just finished a leg and France and you just finished a leg and France and you just finished a leg and you want to bring yourself back up to you want to bring yourself back up to you want to bring yourself back up to Performance level right away the ice Performance level right away the ice Performance level right away the ice path can help you with that but it will path can help you with that but it will path can help you with that but it will not help you with the anabolic gains not help you with the anabolic gains not help you with the anabolic gains fewerman says wait four or five hours fewerman says wait four or five hours fewerman says wait four or five hours which sounds like really good advice but which sounds like really good advice but which sounds like really good advice but if what you're going for is to correct if what you're going for is to correct if what you're going for is to correct your testosterone level I'm now 57 I your testosterone level I'm now 57 I your testosterone level I'm now 57 I just re-measured I was like 1100 10 40 just re-measured I was like 1100 10 40 just re-measured I was like 1100 10 40 something like this and still over a something like this and still over a something like this and still over a thousand which many people consider thousand which many people consider thousand which many people consider exceptional and I'm thinking I don't exceptional and I'm thinking I don't exceptional and I'm thinking I don't feel exceptional it seems achievable but feel exceptional it seems achievable but feel exceptional it seems achievable but it takes time when you're gonna do this it takes time when you're gonna do this it takes time when you're gonna do this for anabolic gains use exercise to for anabolic gains use exercise to for anabolic gains use exercise to recover from a cold not the other way recover from a cold not the other way recover from a cold not the other way around around around [Music]
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03:00morosgo Forge is hrh350 that code again morosgo Forge is hrh350 that code again is hih350 that is an affiliate link but is hih350 that is an affiliate link but is hih350 that is an affiliate link but I do recommend this particular tank if I do recommend this particular tank if I do recommend this particular tank if you're very intentional about getting you're very intentional about getting you're very intentional about getting cold on purpose because this is one of cold on purpose because this is one of cold on purpose because this is one of the only at home units that actually the only at home units that actually the only at home units that actually makes ice and so I like to go in there makes ice and so I like to go in there makes ice and so I like to go in there and I recommend people start out at 10 and I recommend people start out at 10 and I recommend people start out at 10 to 15 seconds warm up to 30 seconds and to 15 seconds warm up to 30 seconds and to 15 seconds warm up to 30 seconds and progressively and iteratively improve progressively and iteratively improve progressively and iteratively improve the duration of time that you're the duration of time that you're the duration of time that you're spending in the cold tank for two to spending in the cold tank for two to spending in the cold tank for two to four minutes and so I find a song that's four minutes and so I find a song that's four minutes and so I find a song that's about two two minutes ten seconds long I about two two minutes ten seconds long I about two two minutes ten seconds long I have several songs that I oscillate back have several songs that I oscillate back have several songs that I oscillate back and forth with this is something I do and forth with this is something I do and forth with this is something I do first thing in the morning and I like to first thing in the morning and I like to first thing in the morning and I like to do this actually before I exercise I do this actually before I exercise I do this actually before I exercise I know that sounds a little bit know that sounds a little bit know that sounds a little bit counter-intuitive but good research counter-intuitive but good research counter-intuitive but good research shows that if you can keep your body shows that if you can keep your body shows that if you can keep your body temperature down you can actually temperature down you can actually temperature down you can actually improve your respiratory exchange ratio improve your respiratory exchange ratio improve your respiratory exchange ratio and exercise economy and actually and exercise economy and actually and exercise economy and actually improve the fat oxidation potentially improve the fat oxidation potentially improve the fat oxidation potentially during exercise if you're cold during exercise if you're cold during exercise if you're cold beforehand now I do like to warm up my beforehand now I do like to warm up my beforehand now I do like to warm up my joints my tendons you know using joints my tendons you know using joints my tendons you know using exercise bands and so forth before doing exercise bands and so forth before doing exercise bands and so forth before doing heavy loads after doing a deliberate heavy loads after doing a deliberate heavy loads after doing a deliberate cold exposure session but I find cold exposure session but I find cold exposure session but I find generally my strength is better I'm more
04:00generally my strength is better I'm more generally my strength is better I'm more awake during those exercise sessions and awake during those exercise sessions and awake during those exercise sessions and don't need as much coffee or don't need as much coffee or don't need as much coffee or pre-workouts or things like that so I pre-workouts or things like that so I pre-workouts or things like that so I think you'll enjoy the show with Tom and think you'll enjoy the show with Tom and think you'll enjoy the show with Tom and let's cut back to it well now you can let's cut back to it well now you can let's cut back to it well now you can see the connection to cold exposure Han see the connection to cold exposure Han see the connection to cold exposure Han Sally and psychologists use thermal Sally and psychologists use thermal Sally and psychologists use thermal contrast as a validated like contrast as a validated like contrast as a validated like standardized measure of stressing either standardized measure of stressing either standardized measure of stressing either the animals or the human beings there's the animals or the human beings there's the animals or the human beings there's something called the cold presser test something called the cold presser test something called the cold presser test you put your hand into cold water it you put your hand into cold water it you put your hand into cold water it used to be they let you go for five used to be they let you go for five used to be they let you go for five minutes but now the psychologists are minutes but now the psychologists are minutes but now the psychologists are all freaked out and the limit is three all freaked out and the limit is three all freaked out and the limit is three minutes like as if this was dangerous minutes like as if this was dangerous minutes like as if this was dangerous but most people can't even make it to but most people can't even make it to but most people can't even make it to three they'll measure your heart rate three they'll measure your heart rate three they'll measure your heart rate your blood pressure perspiration on the your blood pressure perspiration on the your blood pressure perspiration on the hand that isn't immersed so measure your hand that isn't immersed so measure your hand that isn't immersed so measure your physiological responses to stress physiological responses to stress physiological responses to stress following in hand cell use footsteps following in hand cell use footsteps following in hand cell use footsteps they're not really looking for whether they're not really looking for whether they're not really looking for whether your physiological response is your physiological response is your physiological response is beneficial but they are looking for a beneficial but they are looking for a beneficial but they are looking for a measure of your resilience how well do measure of your resilience how well do measure of your resilience how well do you adapt to this kind of stress you adapt to this kind of stress you adapt to this kind of stress Kelly McGonagall at Stanford wrote a
05:00Kelly McGonagall at Stanford wrote a Kelly McGonagall at Stanford wrote a book called The Upside of stress and it book called The Upside of stress and it book called The Upside of stress and it was a very famous Ted Talk she said that was a very famous Ted Talk she said that was a very famous Ted Talk she said that we in the popular Consciousness you know we in the popular Consciousness you know we in the popular Consciousness you know we all think well stress is bad all this we all think well stress is bad all this we all think well stress is bad all this stress is killing me but she said no it stress is killing me but she said no it stress is killing me but she said no it is your beliefs about stress those is your beliefs about stress those is your beliefs about stress those people who experienced a lot of stress people who experienced a lot of stress people who experienced a lot of stress but believe the stress could be good for but believe the stress could be good for but believe the stress could be good for them live longer than anybody else did them live longer than anybody else did them live longer than anybody else did which ties right back to Celia's idea which ties right back to Celia's idea which ties right back to Celia's idea that stress you stress it's called can that stress you stress it's called can that stress you stress it's called can be good for you so what happens when be good for you so what happens when be good for you so what happens when we're getting into the ice bath we hate we're getting into the ice bath we hate we're getting into the ice bath we hate it like I would not recommend this for it like I would not recommend this for it like I would not recommend this for the pilgrims or something like they the pilgrims or something like they the pilgrims or something like they didn't have the kind of comfort in their didn't have the kind of comfort in their didn't have the kind of comfort in their lives that we have so if our ancestors lives that we have so if our ancestors lives that we have so if our ancestors could find Comfort they would take it could find Comfort they would take it could find Comfort they would take it but we you know we got our heated but we you know we got our heated but we you know we got our heated leather seats and we got our air leather seats and we got our air leather seats and we got our air conditioning and we need to seek conditioning and we need to seek conditioning and we need to seek discomfort which from an evolutionary discomfort which from an evolutionary discomfort which from an evolutionary perspective is not intuitive we get into perspective is not intuitive we get into perspective is not intuitive we get into the ice bath we're uncomfortable even
06:00the ice bath we're uncomfortable even the ice bath we're uncomfortable even painful sometimes we can feel the stress painful sometimes we can feel the stress painful sometimes we can feel the stress we're experiencing that physiological we're experiencing that physiological we're experiencing that physiological response and the point is when we do it response and the point is when we do it response and the point is when we do it deliberately intentionally and we give deliberately intentionally and we give deliberately intentionally and we give ourselves room to recover from it it ourselves room to recover from it it ourselves room to recover from it it makes us better more resilient yeah makes us better more resilient yeah makes us better more resilient yeah that's I think a great launching pad and that's I think a great launching pad and that's I think a great launching pad and I think a lot of people don't recognize I think a lot of people don't recognize I think a lot of people don't recognize that cold has been used in medicine for that cold has been used in medicine for that cold has been used in medicine for a very long time if you get an acute a very long time if you get an acute a very long time if you get an acute injury you roll your ankle you get a injury you roll your ankle you get a injury you roll your ankle you get a burn I mean what's the first thing that burn I mean what's the first thing that burn I mean what's the first thing that you do you get you put ice on it and the you do you get you put ice on it and the you do you get you put ice on it and the fact that it has the systemic fact that it has the systemic fact that it has the systemic anti-inflammatory benefit but also to anti-inflammatory benefit but also to anti-inflammatory benefit but also to tether on to what you just talked about tether on to what you just talked about tether on to what you just talked about improving resilience and if you look at improving resilience and if you look at improving resilience and if you look at all the diseases where there's diabetes all the diseases where there's diabetes all the diseases where there's diabetes obesity heart disease cancer these are obesity heart disease cancer these are obesity heart disease cancer these are characterized by lack of resilience characterized by lack of resilience characterized by lack of resilience physiological speaking where their physiological speaking where their physiological speaking where their glucose fluctuations are off the charts glucose fluctuations are off the charts glucose fluctuations are off the charts where they need to have certain foods where they need to have certain foods where they need to have certain foods we're also going to have a hypoglycemic we're also going to have a hypoglycemic we're also going to have a hypoglycemic crash and and so by improving uh crash and and so by improving uh crash and and so by improving uh resilience that's where the magic is and
07:00resilience that's where the magic is and resilience that's where the magic is and to that point reframing it in your mind to that point reframing it in your mind to that point reframing it in your mind you know you know you know um that this short-term stressor is um that this short-term stressor is um that this short-term stressor is adaptive and beneficial not negative adaptive and beneficial not negative adaptive and beneficial not negative because I think a lot of people think because I think a lot of people think because I think a lot of people think that well cortisol or adrenaline is that well cortisol or adrenaline is that well cortisol or adrenaline is released from getting cold and so released from getting cold and so released from getting cold and so therefore it's problematic if you go to therefore it's problematic if you go to therefore it's problematic if you go to on a run guess what happens a cortisol on a run guess what happens a cortisol on a run guess what happens a cortisol adrenaline they go up when you get up in adrenaline they go up when you get up in adrenaline they go up when you get up in the morning horizontal adrenaline the morning horizontal adrenaline the morning horizontal adrenaline increase so uh exercise if you were to increase so uh exercise if you were to increase so uh exercise if you were to just look at the hormonal effect of just look at the hormonal effect of just look at the hormonal effect of exercise you would probably never exercise you would probably never exercise you would probably never exercise if you viewed you know the the exercise if you viewed you know the the exercise if you viewed you know the the hormone shifts through a binary lens so hormone shifts through a binary lens so hormone shifts through a binary lens so anyway getting back to the benefits um anyway getting back to the benefits um anyway getting back to the benefits um there's many benefits I want to get into there's many benefits I want to get into there's many benefits I want to get into Brown adipose tissue cold shock proteins Brown adipose tissue cold shock proteins Brown adipose tissue cold shock proteins the neurochemical releases vasopressin the neurochemical releases vasopressin the neurochemical releases vasopressin oxytocin but since we're on resilience oxytocin but since we're on resilience oxytocin but since we're on resilience if you were to look at the high level if you were to look at the high level if you were to look at the high level overview of sort of the science of overview of sort of the science of overview of sort of the science of deliberate cold exposure improving deliberate cold exposure improving deliberate cold exposure improving resilience is is that up there at the resilience is is that up there at the resilience is is that up there at the top would you say um top would you say um top would you say um I'd say the metabolism is at the top and I'd say the metabolism is at the top and I'd say the metabolism is at the top and when you've got that psychological when you've got that psychological when you've got that psychological resilience is right underneath there and
08:00resilience is right underneath there and resilience is right underneath there and you can do metabolism in 50 degree water you can do metabolism in 50 degree water you can do metabolism in 50 degree water fahrenheit as long as it makes you gasp fahrenheit as long as it makes you gasp fahrenheit as long as it makes you gasp a cold shower will help your metabolism a cold shower will help your metabolism a cold shower will help your metabolism but to get that psychological resilience but to get that psychological resilience but to get that psychological resilience you've got to go to a temperature that's you've got to go to a temperature that's you've got to go to a temperature that's going to frighten you this is why I need going to frighten you this is why I need going to frighten you this is why I need ice in my ice bath the ice baths that ice in my ice bath the ice baths that ice in my ice bath the ice baths that don't have ice aren't ice baths for me don't have ice aren't ice baths for me don't have ice aren't ice baths for me um if it's not less than 39 degrees I um if it's not less than 39 degrees I um if it's not less than 39 degrees I don't feel that cold shock response I don't feel that cold shock response I don't feel that cold shock response I don't get so much I get bored I was don't get so much I get bored I was don't get so much I get bored I was talking with Scott Carney about this who talking with Scott Carney about this who talking with Scott Carney about this who also he does a lot he wrote The Wedge he also he does a lot he wrote The Wedge he also he does a lot he wrote The Wedge he wrote what doesn't kill us the story of wrote what doesn't kill us the story of wrote what doesn't kill us the story of imhoff and he has a lot of cold exposure imhoff and he has a lot of cold exposure imhoff and he has a lot of cold exposure too and we agreed 39 is about where we too and we agreed 39 is about where we too and we agreed 39 is about where we begin to feel it psychologically if not begin to feel it psychologically if not begin to feel it psychologically if not metabolically metabolically metabolically there's some studies on metabolism that there's some studies on metabolism that there's some studies on metabolism that show as warm as 60 degrees you're still show as warm as 60 degrees you're still show as warm as 60 degrees you're still getting a great big benefit this one's getting a great big benefit this one's getting a great big benefit this one's out of Germany they took a group of I'm out of Germany they took a group of I'm out of Germany they took a group of I'm going to call them middle aged because going to call them middle aged because going to call them middle aged because they were a little older than me on they were a little older than me on they were a little older than me on average average average um late 50s type 2 diabetic Germans and
09:00um late 50s type 2 diabetic Germans and um late 50s type 2 diabetic Germans and they said we want you for 10 days and they said we want you for 10 days and they said we want you for 10 days and we're going to put you in cold air we're going to put you in cold air we're going to put you in cold air you're not allowed to wear anything but you're not allowed to wear anything but you're not allowed to wear anything but a t-shirt and shorts you start for two a t-shirt and shorts you start for two a t-shirt and shorts you start for two hours in the afternoon we're going to hours in the afternoon we're going to hours in the afternoon we're going to build you up to six hours just going to build you up to six hours just going to build you up to six hours just going to be like 59 degrees Fahrenheit they be like 59 degrees Fahrenheit they be like 59 degrees Fahrenheit they measure in Celsius so there's a round measure in Celsius so there's a round measure in Celsius so there's a round number in the study they measured their number in the study they measured their number in the study they measured their insulin sensitivity before and at the insulin sensitivity before and at the insulin sensitivity before and at the end these guys were not allowed to end these guys were not allowed to end these guys were not allowed to exercise they were not allowed to change exercise they were not allowed to change exercise they were not allowed to change their diet because that might sort of their diet because that might sort of their diet because that might sort of confound the results they measured an confound the results they measured an confound the results they measured an average 40 percent Improvement in average 40 percent Improvement in average 40 percent Improvement in glucose sorry an insulin sensitivity in glucose sorry an insulin sensitivity in glucose sorry an insulin sensitivity in glucose uptake glucose uptake glucose uptake now many of them dropped out of the type now many of them dropped out of the type now many of them dropped out of the type 2 diabetic diagnostic criteria 2 diabetic diagnostic criteria 2 diabetic diagnostic criteria essentially their type 2 diabetes was essentially their type 2 diabetes was essentially their type 2 diabetes was resolved in 10 Days by cold but when resolved in 10 Days by cold but when resolved in 10 Days by cold but when they asked them psychologically how they asked them psychologically how they asked them psychologically how uncomfortable with you and there's a uncomfortable with you and there's a uncomfortable with you and there's a distribution none of them said very distribution none of them said very distribution none of them said very uncomfortable they said well you know I uncomfortable they said well you know I uncomfortable they said well you know I shivered a little bit sometimes
10:00shivered a little bit sometimes shivered a little bit sometimes if we really want to get the if we really want to get the if we really want to get the psychological resilience we've got to go psychological resilience we've got to go psychological resilience we've got to go to the point where we activate the to the point where we activate the to the point where we activate the autonomic nervous system where you get autonomic nervous system where you get autonomic nervous system where you get that gasp reflex where you feel that gasp reflex where you feel that gasp reflex where you feel the I'm not even going to say the cold the I'm not even going to say the cold the I'm not even going to say the cold it's the fear the anxiety that this is it's the fear the anxiety that this is it's the fear the anxiety that this is going to kill you going to kill you going to kill you and here's how we know and here's how we know and here's how we know um I had to learn a lot from Jay Wiles um I had to learn a lot from Jay Wiles um I had to learn a lot from Jay Wiles he's the chief science officer at her he's the chief science officer at her he's the chief science officer at her new health they measure heart rate new health they measure heart rate new health they measure heart rate variability and he taught me a lot about variability and he taught me a lot about variability and he taught me a lot about HRV HRV HRV it used to be that we think of steady it used to be that we think of steady it used to be that we think of steady heart rate you know that's a good thing heart rate you know that's a good thing heart rate you know that's a good thing we don't want any irregularities in the we don't want any irregularities in the we don't want any irregularities in the heart that's not true at all it turns heart that's not true at all it turns heart that's not true at all it turns out that the heart is supposed to adapt out that the heart is supposed to adapt out that the heart is supposed to adapt every breath every thought every every breath every thought every every breath every thought every temperature everything that happens in temperature everything that happens in temperature everything that happens in our lives places a different Demand on our lives places a different Demand on our lives places a different Demand on the heart and when the heart rate can the heart and when the heart rate can the heart and when the heart rate can expand or contract and this is measured expand or contract and this is measured expand or contract and this is measured in microseconds to adjust to the demands in microseconds to adjust to the demands in microseconds to adjust to the demands that your body is experiencing your
11:00that your body is experiencing your that your body is experiencing your heart rate variability is a heart rate variability is a heart rate variability is a physiological measure of your physiological measure of your physiological measure of your psychological resilience so what psychological resilience so what psychological resilience so what improves heart rate variability cold improves heart rate variability cold improves heart rate variability cold exposure but not the kind that the exposure but not the kind that the exposure but not the kind that the Germans were using for their metabolism Germans were using for their metabolism Germans were using for their metabolism the kind that really scares the crap out the kind that really scares the crap out the kind that really scares the crap out of you this is why I need ice like of you this is why I need ice like of you this is why I need ice like bumping up against my neck or look I bumping up against my neck or look I bumping up against my neck or look I know I'm not going to die I know I've know I'm not going to die I know I've know I'm not going to die I know I've been through this a hundred times been through this a hundred times been through this a hundred times hundreds of times one of the things that hundreds of times one of the things that hundreds of times one of the things that Kelly McGonagall put in her upside a Kelly McGonagall put in her upside a Kelly McGonagall put in her upside a stress book stress book stress book is trying to explain the difficulty of is trying to explain the difficulty of is trying to explain the difficulty of the cold pressure test where she said if the cold pressure test where she said if the cold pressure test where she said if you were submerged up to your neck in you were submerged up to your neck in you were submerged up to your neck in ice water it would kill you in two ice water it would kill you in two ice water it would kill you in two minutes minutes minutes well I don't know I've been 22 minutes well I don't know I've been 22 minutes well I don't know I've been 22 minutes right uh I think you're wrong they're right uh I think you're wrong they're right uh I think you're wrong they're uh Professor McGonagall and she's uh Professor McGonagall and she's uh Professor McGonagall and she's probably never tried it but when you but probably never tried it but when you but probably never tried it but when you but it sure feels like you're gonna die in it sure feels like you're gonna die in it sure feels like you're gonna die in two minutes it's those feelings that two minutes it's those feelings that two minutes it's those feelings that we're trying to activate
12:00we're trying to activate we're trying to activate that's what sets your brown fat on fire that's what sets your brown fat on fire that's what sets your brown fat on fire metaphorically you know that's what metaphorically you know that's what metaphorically you know that's what activates the cold thermogenesis in your activates the cold thermogenesis in your activates the cold thermogenesis in your brown fat that's what activates the brown fat that's what activates the brown fat that's what activates the physiological response the production of physiological response the production of physiological response the production of the neurotransmitters and the hormones the neurotransmitters and the hormones the neurotransmitters and the hormones that your body needs when your fight or that your body needs when your fight or that your body needs when your fight or flight system is on high alert so this flight system is on high alert so this flight system is on high alert so this is the resilience angle without the is the resilience angle without the is the resilience angle without the activation of the autonomic nervous activation of the autonomic nervous activation of the autonomic nervous system you're not really getting the system you're not really getting the system you're not really getting the psychological workout that you can from psychological workout that you can from psychological workout that you can from the cold I love that and the fact that the cold I love that and the fact that the cold I love that and the fact that you started out with the Improvement in you started out with the Improvement in you started out with the Improvement in HRV heart rate variability and I think HRV heart rate variability and I think HRV heart rate variability and I think this is now kind of a kitchen table this is now kind of a kitchen table this is now kind of a kitchen table topic for some people yeah and I think topic for some people yeah and I think topic for some people yeah and I think it's important to talk about because it's important to talk about because it's important to talk about because anytime I post a video on getting in the anytime I post a video on getting in the anytime I post a video on getting in the roseco Forge or jumping into an Alpine roseco Forge or jumping into an Alpine roseco Forge or jumping into an Alpine Lake I see comments people saying well Lake I see comments people saying well Lake I see comments people saying well you should not be promoting this for you should not be promoting this for you should not be promoting this for people with people with people with um arrhythmia issues or heart issues but um arrhythmia issues or heart issues but um arrhythmia issues or heart issues but to your point is we are actually to your point is we are actually to your point is we are actually improving there was the B need to beat
13:00improving there was the B need to beat improving there was the B need to beat variability we're making the heart more variability we're making the heart more variability we're making the heart more resilient low heart rate variability is resilient low heart rate variability is resilient low heart rate variability is more strongly Tethered to poor more strongly Tethered to poor more strongly Tethered to poor cardiovascular outcomes so I would like cardiovascular outcomes so I would like cardiovascular outcomes so I would like you to and hear some feedback you know you to and hear some feedback you know you to and hear some feedback you know for people that maybe have a pacemaker for people that maybe have a pacemaker for people that maybe have a pacemaker or cardiovascular issues what is the or cardiovascular issues what is the or cardiovascular issues what is the significant risk because I haven't seen significant risk because I haven't seen significant risk because I haven't seen this come up in the studies to the best this come up in the studies to the best this come up in the studies to the best of my age even people with congestive of my age even people with congestive of my age even people with congestive heart failure and looking at them their heart failure and looking at them their heart failure and looking at them their outcomes going in a hot tub it's outcomes going in a hot tub it's outcomes going in a hot tub it's actually favorable and there's no real actually favorable and there's no real actually favorable and there's no real risk that I'm aware of but there's this risk that I'm aware of but there's this risk that I'm aware of but there's this perception that if you get cold your perception that if you get cold your perception that if you get cold your heart's going to stop or some such thing heart's going to stop or some such thing heart's going to stop or some such thing but so what would you say to that but so what would you say to that but so what would you say to that comment comment comment um well let's talk about um well let's talk about um well let's talk about contraindications because there are some contraindications because there are some contraindications because there are some contraindications to cold exposure and contraindications to cold exposure and contraindications to cold exposure and nobody who wants to sell you an ice bath nobody who wants to sell you an ice bath nobody who wants to sell you an ice bath is going to tell you about the is going to tell you about the is going to tell you about the contraindications except me contraindications except me contraindications except me um the number one is not wanting to do um the number one is not wanting to do um the number one is not wanting to do an ice bath like no coercion no bullying an ice bath like no coercion no bullying an ice bath like no coercion no bullying you will never see me with a bull horn you will never see me with a bull horn you will never see me with a bull horn yelling at people to get into the ice yelling at people to get into the ice yelling at people to get into the ice because it takes away the deliberate
14:00because it takes away the deliberate because it takes away the deliberate component when you come out of the ice component when you come out of the ice component when you come out of the ice you feel like Superman like you can do you feel like Superman like you can do you feel like Superman like you can do anything you've got all this energy and anything you've got all this energy and anything you've got all this energy and this sense of Pride but if you only did this sense of Pride but if you only did this sense of Pride but if you only did it because somebody was coercing or it because somebody was coercing or it because somebody was coercing or bullying it diminishes that sense of bullying it diminishes that sense of bullying it diminishes that sense of accomplishment accomplishment accomplishment um and you gotta come out of your own um and you gotta come out of your own um and you gotta come out of your own accord so the number one accord so the number one accord so the number one contraindication for me is not wanting contraindication for me is not wanting contraindication for me is not wanting to do it and I'm not trying to talk to do it and I'm not trying to talk to do it and I'm not trying to talk anybody into doing it but when you do anybody into doing it but when you do anybody into doing it but when you do go in like your royalty like you are go in like your royalty like you are go in like your royalty like you are superior to everyone else that you think superior to everyone else that you think superior to everyone else that you think might be judging you you know and you're might be judging you you know and you're might be judging you you know and you're not worried about looking sloppy or not worried about looking sloppy or not worried about looking sloppy or you're feeling like the King come out you're feeling like the King come out you're feeling like the King come out like you're in charge of the world and like you're in charge of the world and like you're in charge of the world and this is the the mindset that will help this is the the mindset that will help this is the the mindset that will help you through the experience that's number you through the experience that's number you through the experience that's number one and there are some others if you go one and there are some others if you go one and there are some others if you go on Wikipedia you're going to see that on Wikipedia you're going to see that on Wikipedia you're going to see that they cite Mike Tipton who's a scientist
15:00they cite Mike Tipton who's a scientist they cite Mike Tipton who's a scientist in the United Kingdom he has an extreme in the United Kingdom he has an extreme in the United Kingdom he has an extreme environments lab so he's essentially environments lab so he's essentially environments lab so he's essentially built a dunk tank like you might see at built a dunk tank like you might see at built a dunk tank like you might see at the carnival but he's put it in a the carnival but he's put it in a the carnival but he's put it in a laboratory setting where he can monitor laboratory setting where he can monitor laboratory setting where he can monitor human beings who are going to get cold human beings who are going to get cold human beings who are going to get cold and Tipton has a theory called autonomic and Tipton has a theory called autonomic and Tipton has a theory called autonomic conflict there are two conflicting conflict there are two conflicting conflict there are two conflicting responses one is the gas reflex you get responses one is the gas reflex you get responses one is the gas reflex you get in and you can't help but you know kind in and you can't help but you know kind in and you can't help but you know kind of catch your breath if you can't of catch your breath if you can't of catch your breath if you can't structure your breath structure your breath structure your breath calm yourself down it's possible to calm yourself down it's possible to calm yourself down it's possible to hyperventilate hyperventilate hyperventilate vim's method teaches hyperventilation vim's method teaches hyperventilation vim's method teaches hyperventilation and it must be kept separate from cold and it must be kept separate from cold and it must be kept separate from cold exposure do not ever combine exposure do not ever combine exposure do not ever combine hyperventilation and cold exposure do hyperventilation and cold exposure do hyperventilation and cold exposure do not ever breath hold in the cold I'll not ever breath hold in the cold I'll not ever breath hold in the cold I'll talk about why in a minute but tips and talk about why in a minute but tips and talk about why in a minute but tips and says that's the gas reflex says that's the gas reflex says that's the gas reflex there's a countervailing reflex called there's a countervailing reflex called there's a countervailing reflex called the dive reflex and this happens when the dive reflex and this happens when the dive reflex and this happens when your nostrils any temperature but your your nostrils any temperature but your your nostrils any temperature but your nostrils are covered with water nostrils are covered with water nostrils are covered with water you automatically shut down your breath you automatically shut down your breath you automatically shut down your breath your heart goes down instead of up your
16:00your heart goes down instead of up your your heart goes down instead of up your metabolism goes into conservation mode metabolism goes into conservation mode metabolism goes into conservation mode and The evolutionary reason for it is to and The evolutionary reason for it is to and The evolutionary reason for it is to prepare you to go get the shellfish or prepare you to go get the shellfish or prepare you to go get the shellfish or Spearfish or I don't know retrieve your Spearfish or I don't know retrieve your Spearfish or I don't know retrieve your iPhone from the bottom of the lake like iPhone from the bottom of the lake like iPhone from the bottom of the lake like whatever it is you need to do your body whatever it is you need to do your body whatever it is you need to do your body says you're diving now you need to hold says you're diving now you need to hold says you're diving now you need to hold your breath and that means we've got to your breath and that means we've got to your breath and that means we've got to conserve oxygen we're going to be conserve oxygen we're going to be conserve oxygen we're going to be building up carbon dioxide and we want building up carbon dioxide and we want building up carbon dioxide and we want to go as slow as we can metabolically so to go as slow as we can metabolically so to go as slow as we can metabolically so you can do whatever task it is that you can do whatever task it is that you can do whatever task it is that you've set your mind to the gas reflex you've set your mind to the gas reflex you've set your mind to the gas reflex activates your fight or flight increases activates your fight or flight increases activates your fight or flight increases your heart rate your heart rate your heart rate the dive reflex slows your heart rate the dive reflex slows your heart rate the dive reflex slows your heart rate back down so we've got some good data back down so we've got some good data back down so we've got some good data from wearables on what happens to heart from wearables on what happens to heart from wearables on what happens to heart rate what happens to continuous glucose rate what happens to continuous glucose rate what happens to continuous glucose monitoring when you get into the ice monitoring when you get into the ice monitoring when you get into the ice bath the first thing is heart rate goes bath the first thing is heart rate goes bath the first thing is heart rate goes up your liver releases glycogen into up your liver releases glycogen into up your liver releases glycogen into your bloodstream and that's to fuel your your bloodstream and that's to fuel your your bloodstream and that's to fuel your muscles in case you have to fight or muscles in case you have to fight or muscles in case you have to fight or flight that goes up and then it all flight that goes up and then it all flight that goes up and then it all starts coming back down starts coming back down starts coming back down Tipton's fear his hypothesis is that if
17:00Tipton's fear his hypothesis is that if Tipton's fear his hypothesis is that if you are subject to both the gasp and the you are subject to both the gasp and the you are subject to both the gasp and the dive at the same time that it will dive at the same time that it will dive at the same time that it will create an autonomic conflict that may create an autonomic conflict that may create an autonomic conflict that may cause your heart to skip a beat and for cause your heart to skip a beat and for cause your heart to skip a beat and for most people no big deal but for those of most people no big deal but for those of most people no big deal but for those of the history of heart arrhythmia he's the history of heart arrhythmia he's the history of heart arrhythmia he's like we should be very cautious about like we should be very cautious about like we should be very cautious about this now there are no this now there are no this now there are no documented cases of this heart documented cases of this heart documented cases of this heart arrhythmia showing up in the morgue or arrhythmia showing up in the morgue or arrhythmia showing up in the morgue or showing up in the emergency room but showing up in the emergency room but showing up in the emergency room but Tipton speculates that some of the Tipton speculates that some of the Tipton speculates that some of the people who arrive in the emergency room people who arrive in the emergency room people who arrive in the emergency room is drowning victims may actually have is drowning victims may actually have is drowning victims may actually have been heart arrhythmia heart irregularity been heart arrhythmia heart irregularity been heart arrhythmia heart irregularity victims who get classified as drowning victims who get classified as drowning victims who get classified as drowning and I don't want to dispute the guy who and I don't want to dispute the guy who and I don't want to dispute the guy who has written more Journal articles and is has written more Journal articles and is has written more Journal articles and is recognized as a leading researcher on recognized as a leading researcher on recognized as a leading researcher on human beings and extreme environments human beings and extreme environments human beings and extreme environments but it's not number one on my list the but it's not number one on my list the but it's not number one on my list the number one is drowning like bads are number one is drowning like bads are
18:00number one is drowning like bads are dangerous dangerous dangerous um Forge sober um Forge sober um Forge sober supervise your kids like supervise your kids like supervise your kids like um you're talking about water and you um you're talking about water and you um you're talking about water and you should use some of the same precautions should use some of the same precautions should use some of the same precautions that we use when we're swimming or when that we use when we're swimming or when that we use when we're swimming or when we're bathing so we're bathing so we're bathing so drowning and then hyperventilation and drowning and then hyperventilation and drowning and then hyperventilation and breath hold the thing about breath hold the thing about breath hold the thing about hyperventilation is that it will Purge hyperventilation is that it will Purge hyperventilation is that it will Purge the carbon dioxide out of your system the carbon dioxide out of your system the carbon dioxide out of your system and it will it can shut down the and it will it can shut down the and it will it can shut down the receptors within your own body to give receptors within your own body to give receptors within your own body to give you the urge to breathe that is you can you the urge to breathe that is you can you the urge to breathe that is you can pass out before you know you really need pass out before you know you really need pass out before you know you really need to breathe this is why freediving is so to breathe this is why freediving is so to breathe this is why freediving is so dangerous especially novice free divers dangerous especially novice free divers dangerous especially novice free divers who want to extend their range they want who want to extend their range they want who want to extend their range they want to set this free diving is diving to set this free diving is diving to set this free diving is diving without use of an underwater breathing without use of an underwater breathing without use of an underwater breathing apparatus so you're just holding your apparatus so you're just holding your apparatus so you're just holding your breath breath breath and some of the records are incredible and some of the records are incredible and some of the records are incredible but when the free divers hyperventilate but when the free divers hyperventilate but when the free divers hyperventilate to see if they can get to their personal to see if they can get to their personal to see if they can get to their personal best they never feel that urge to best they never feel that urge to
19:00best they never feel that urge to breathe they pass out underwater and breathe they pass out underwater and breathe they pass out underwater and then they drown then they drown then they drown Scott Carney says he's documented over a Scott Carney says he's documented over a Scott Carney says he's documented over a dozen cases of people who have combined dozen cases of people who have combined dozen cases of people who have combined hyperventilation with breath hold and hyperventilation with breath hold and hyperventilation with breath hold and cold exposure cold exposure cold exposure and died and and addition to those dozen and died and and addition to those dozen and died and and addition to those dozen cases some near-misses so where are we cases some near-misses so where are we cases some near-misses so where are we coming there's some safety precautions coming there's some safety precautions coming there's some safety precautions um go feet first to minimize Tipton's um go feet first to minimize Tipton's um go feet first to minimize Tipton's idea of autonomic conflict I saw you uh idea of autonomic conflict I saw you uh idea of autonomic conflict I saw you uh Dive Right into your forge on a video Dive Right into your forge on a video Dive Right into your forge on a video and it was hilarious video and then at and it was hilarious video and then at and it was hilarious video and then at that moment I was like no Mike don't you that moment I was like no Mike don't you that moment I was like no Mike don't you know and then you got right out I mean know and then you got right out I mean know and then you got right out I mean it wasn't the point yeah you were doing it wasn't the point yeah you were doing it wasn't the point yeah you were doing this like very exaggerated thing now this like very exaggerated thing now this like very exaggerated thing now I've dove into the cold Pacific Ocean or I've dove into the cold Pacific Ocean or I've dove into the cold Pacific Ocean or the cold Atlantic Ocean I don't have a the cold Atlantic Ocean I don't have a the cold Atlantic Ocean I don't have a heart irregularity and I'm not trying to heart irregularity and I'm not trying to heart irregularity and I'm not trying to hyperventilate and hold my breath but I hyperventilate and hold my breath but I hyperventilate and hold my breath but I advise you go feet first feel the gas advise you go feet first feel the gas advise you go feet first feel the gas reflex and then let the dive reflex come reflex and then let the dive reflex come reflex and then let the dive reflex come if you're gonna if you're gonna if you're gonna um if you're gonna do a brief like dunk um if you're gonna do a brief like dunk um if you're gonna do a brief like dunk your face which I enjoy doing
20:00your face which I enjoy doing your face which I enjoy doing euphorge and sober and you're breathing euphorge and sober and you're breathing euphorge and sober and you're breathing Tipton says when you structure your Tipton says when you structure your Tipton says when you structure your breath and you breathe continuously you breath and you breathe continuously you breath and you breathe continuously you will overcome what he says the autonomic will overcome what he says the autonomic will overcome what he says the autonomic conflict is so when it comes to heart conflict is so when it comes to heart conflict is so when it comes to heart issues issues issues I'm never going to tell somebody that I'm never going to tell somebody that I'm never going to tell somebody that they should I'm only going to tell them they should I'm only going to tell them they should I'm only going to tell them how to do it if they want to start a how to do it if they want to start a how to do it if they want to start a little warmer you can get a lot of the little warmer you can get a lot of the little warmer you can get a lot of the metabolic benefits you don't need to be metabolic benefits you don't need to be metabolic benefits you don't need to be just because someone sees you or me go just because someone sees you or me go just because someone sees you or me go in and it's all slushy water in and it's all slushy water in and it's all slushy water anything that gives them the gas reflex anything that gives them the gas reflex anything that gives them the gas reflex has activated their autonomic nervous has activated their autonomic nervous has activated their autonomic nervous system is starting to improve their HRV system is starting to improve their HRV system is starting to improve their HRV and the gas preflex for some people will and the gas preflex for some people will and the gas preflex for some people will happen at that 60 degree water level wow happen at that 60 degree water level wow happen at that 60 degree water level wow start easy that's awesome the other start easy that's awesome the other start easy that's awesome the other common common common um limitation mentally for people is I um limitation mentally for people is I um limitation mentally for people is I have Ray nods so therefore I can't get have Ray nods so therefore I can't get have Ray nods so therefore I can't get cold on purpose I have a theory that cold on purpose I have a theory that cold on purpose I have a theory that perhaps this is inducible that that with perhaps this is inducible that that with perhaps this is inducible that that with more practice we can help to improve the
21:00more practice we can help to improve the more practice we can help to improve the circulatory system and therefore and circulatory system and therefore and circulatory system and therefore and decrease the inflammation that may be decrease the inflammation that may be decrease the inflammation that may be Tethered to raynance what has been your Tethered to raynance what has been your Tethered to raynance what has been your experience because you guys have worked experience because you guys have worked experience because you guys have worked with a lot of people I don't think it's with a lot of people I don't think it's with a lot of people I don't think it's just a theory I think it's an just a theory I think it's an just a theory I think it's an explanation for a phenomenon that a lot explanation for a phenomenon that a lot explanation for a phenomenon that a lot of people have experienced but there are of people have experienced but there are of people have experienced but there are two forms of raynottes primary renades two forms of raynottes primary renades two forms of raynottes primary renades is a complex is a complex is a complex psychophysiological reaction it's an psychophysiological reaction it's an psychophysiological reaction it's an overreaction to the cold we know that um overreaction to the cold we know that um overreaction to the cold we know that um cold induces vasoconstriction to defend cold induces vasoconstriction to defend cold induces vasoconstriction to defend your core temperature your body will your core temperature your body will your core temperature your body will change the circulation of blood it will change the circulation of blood it will change the circulation of blood it will shut off circulation to your fingers to shut off circulation to your fingers to shut off circulation to your fingers to your toes to your limbs and that is so your toes to your limbs and that is so your toes to your limbs and that is so it reduces heat extraction through the it reduces heat extraction through the it reduces heat extraction through the most exposed part of your bodies but in most exposed part of your bodies but in most exposed part of your bodies but in renaud's you're not even that cold and renaud's you're not even that cold and renaud's you're not even that cold and you get this extreme overreaction of you get this extreme overreaction of you get this extreme overreaction of vasoconstriction to the point where the vasoconstriction to the point where the vasoconstriction to the point where the fingers can turn white fingers can turn white fingers can turn white that is partly psychological and partly that is partly psychological and partly that is partly psychological and partly physiological that's called primary physiological that's called primary physiological that's called primary renounce secondary renades is a vascular renounce secondary renades is a vascular renounce secondary renades is a vascular disorder that comes from some other
22:00disorder that comes from some other disorder that comes from some other underlying disease so we're going to underlying disease so we're going to underlying disease so we're going to talk only about primary nods this sort talk only about primary nods this sort talk only about primary nods this sort of psychophysio overreaction to the cold of psychophysio overreaction to the cold of psychophysio overreaction to the cold I know a woman who she tells a story we I know a woman who she tells a story we I know a woman who she tells a story we have it on YouTube and she talks about have it on YouTube and she talks about have it on YouTube and she talks about that's New Year she's in Arizona and that's New Year she's in Arizona and that's New Year she's in Arizona and they're going to see the fireworks and they're going to see the fireworks and they're going to see the fireworks and it's 60 something degrees and she's all it's 60 something degrees and she's all it's 60 something degrees and she's all bundled up bundled up bundled up but she experiences renault's attack and but she experiences renault's attack and but she experiences renault's attack and it takes hours for her to re-warm part it takes hours for her to re-warm part it takes hours for her to re-warm part of the attack is the anxiety it's not of the attack is the anxiety it's not of the attack is the anxiety it's not cold now or it's not too bad now but you cold now or it's not too bad now but you cold now or it's not too bad now but you feel it coming on and you don't know how feel it coming on and you don't know how feel it coming on and you don't know how bad it's going to be and that kind of bad it's going to be and that kind of bad it's going to be and that kind of starts a feedback loop the anxiety makes starts a feedback loop the anxiety makes starts a feedback loop the anxiety makes the response worse the worsening the response worse the worsening the response worse the worsening response makes the anxiety worse and response makes the anxiety worse and response makes the anxiety worse and it's very difficult to come back for it's very difficult to come back for it's very difficult to come back for well when she told this story she was up well when she told this story she was up well when she told this story she was up to her clavicles in 36 degree water how to her clavicles in 36 degree water how to her clavicles in 36 degree water how is that even possible because there's is that even possible because there's is that even possible because there's something called exposure therapy people something called exposure therapy people something called exposure therapy people have overcome their phobia of let's say have overcome their phobia of let's say have overcome their phobia of let's say spiders or snakes first you just watch
23:00spiders or snakes first you just watch spiders or snakes first you just watch somebody else I don't know reading a somebody else I don't know reading a somebody else I don't know reading a magazine article about spiders it magazine article about spiders it magazine article about spiders it depends upon the level of the phobia but depends upon the level of the phobia but depends upon the level of the phobia but exposure therapy titrates the exposure exposure therapy titrates the exposure exposure therapy titrates the exposure to the stress event in a way that is to the stress event in a way that is to the stress event in a way that is safe teaches people physiological coping safe teaches people physiological coping safe teaches people physiological coping mechanisms like structuring their breath mechanisms like structuring their breath mechanisms like structuring their breath until they get to a level where I'm until they get to a level where I'm until they get to a level where I'm going to exaggerate this but where going to exaggerate this but where going to exaggerate this but where spiders are crawling all over them and spiders are crawling all over them and spiders are crawling all over them and there's no big deal there's no big deal there's no big deal for primary or not exposure therapy has for primary or not exposure therapy has for primary or not exposure therapy has been one of the successful methods for been one of the successful methods for been one of the successful methods for overcoming or not and is exactly the overcoming or not and is exactly the overcoming or not and is exactly the opposite of what people usually hear opposite of what people usually hear opposite of what people usually hear from their physician they usually hear from their physician they usually hear from their physician they usually hear oh turn up the thermostat oh put on an oh turn up the thermostat oh put on an oh turn up the thermostat oh put on an extra sweater oh I know it's we call extra sweater oh I know it's we call extra sweater oh I know it's we call them Phoenix wimps you know it gets out them Phoenix wimps you know it gets out them Phoenix wimps you know it gets out to be 68 degrees in Phoenix and they're to be 68 degrees in Phoenix and they're to be 68 degrees in Phoenix and they're going to put on a hat and a winter coat going to put on a hat and a winter coat going to put on a hat and a winter coat and stuff it's because they're no longer and stuff it's because they're no longer and stuff it's because they're no longer cold acclimated you spend a couple of cold acclimated you spend a couple of cold acclimated you spend a couple of years in Phoenix you're going to lose years in Phoenix you're going to lose years in Phoenix you're going to lose all your brown fat yeah you're going to all your brown fat yeah you're going to all your brown fat yeah you're going to feel chilly but I remember being in feel chilly but I remember being in feel chilly but I remember being in college in Northern New York I went to
24:00college in Northern New York I went to college in Northern New York I went to school in Potsdam New York and when it school in Potsdam New York and when it school in Potsdam New York and when it was like 45 degrees in March and there'd was like 45 degrees in March and there'd was like 45 degrees in March and there'd be snow every we'd be playing frisbee be snow every we'd be playing frisbee be snow every we'd be playing frisbee and so like Hallelujah winter is over and so like Hallelujah winter is over and so like Hallelujah winter is over it's all contextual so exposure therapy it's all contextual so exposure therapy it's all contextual so exposure therapy is one of the ways of resolving renades is one of the ways of resolving renades is one of the ways of resolving renades otherwise renades will be another otherwise renades will be another otherwise renades will be another contraindication for ice baths that's contraindication for ice baths that's contraindication for ice baths that's amazing and how patient should one be amazing and how patient should one be amazing and how patient should one be with themselves with themselves with themselves um a month two months I mean it or it's um a month two months I mean it or it's um a month two months I mean it or it's more psychological really good question more psychological really good question more psychological really good question the woman I know did not want to get in the woman I know did not want to get in the woman I know did not want to get in the ice bath at all the ice bath at all the ice bath at all but we know each other really well and but we know each other really well and but we know each other really well and her daughter was nine at the time and her daughter was nine at the time and her daughter was nine at the time and her daughter's seeing me her daughter's seeing me her daughter's seeing me um and you know I'm doing my thing and um and you know I'm doing my thing and um and you know I'm doing my thing and we're taking pictures and it's ice and we're taking pictures and it's ice and we're taking pictures and it's ice and her daughter has cerebral palsy and you her daughter has cerebral palsy and you her daughter has cerebral palsy and you wouldn't know it she's been through wouldn't know it she's been through wouldn't know it she's been through hundreds if not thousands of hours of hundreds if not thousands of hours of hundreds if not thousands of hours of therapy and you have to know her really therapy and you have to know her really therapy and you have to know her really well to see that there's something a well to see that there's something a well to see that there's something a little off in her gate um or maybe her little off in her gate um or maybe her little off in her gate um or maybe her posture isn't quite what you would
25:00posture isn't quite what you would posture isn't quite what you would expect but to look at her you're like expect but to look at her you're like expect but to look at her you're like what a happy healthy kid she's nine and what a happy healthy kid she's nine and what a happy healthy kid she's nine and you know that nine-year-olds they want you know that nine-year-olds they want you know that nine-year-olds they want to do you know whatever the grown-ups in to do you know whatever the grown-ups in to do you know whatever the grown-ups in their lives are doing so she's like Mom their lives are doing so she's like Mom their lives are doing so she's like Mom can I try mom's like well you know you can I try mom's like well you know you can I try mom's like well you know you can put your feet in can put your feet in can put your feet in she says well this feels really good on she says well this feels really good on she says well this feels really good on my feet because of the way her brain and my feet because of the way her brain and my feet because of the way her brain and her spinal cord Works she doesn't have her spinal cord Works she doesn't have her spinal cord Works she doesn't have the same proprioception not the same the same proprioception not the same the same proprioception not the same sensation in her feet that we have this sensation in her feet that we have this sensation in her feet that we have this feels really good can I go up to my feels really good can I go up to my feels really good can I go up to my waist she asked Mom says well you know waist she asked Mom says well you know waist she asked Mom says well you know you you can go okay you can try that it you you can go okay you can try that it you you can go okay you can try that it feels really good Mom can I go up to my feels really good Mom can I go up to my feels really good Mom can I go up to my shoulders and the deeper the child went shoulders and the deeper the child went shoulders and the deeper the child went the more of a vicarious sort of anxiety the more of a vicarious sort of anxiety the more of a vicarious sort of anxiety reaction the mom had but the impact to reaction the mom had but the impact to reaction the mom had but the impact to that was that was that was she couldn't let her kid do an ice bath she couldn't let her kid do an ice bath she couldn't let her kid do an ice bath and not try it herself and so at this and not try it herself and so at this and not try it herself and so at this point she was super motivated to um to
26:00point she was super motivated to um to point she was super motivated to um to set a good example for her daughter to set a good example for her daughter to set a good example for her daughter to do something that she felt proud of do something that she felt proud of do something that she felt proud of herself despite her renauds herself despite her renauds herself despite her renauds so we did with the breathing we did it so we did with the breathing we did it so we did with the breathing we did it with the Mantra this is what cold feels with the Mantra this is what cold feels with the Mantra this is what cold feels like when the anxiety is coming up it is like when the anxiety is coming up it is like when the anxiety is coming up it is every cell in your body trying to tell every cell in your body trying to tell every cell in your body trying to tell your brain to get out of there because your brain to get out of there because your brain to get out of there because we're going to die it is your brain's we're going to die it is your brain's we're going to die it is your brain's job to correct every cell in your body job to correct every cell in your body job to correct every cell in your body to say back to your cells this is what to say back to your cells this is what to say back to your cells this is what cold feels like this is not death this cold feels like this is not death this cold feels like this is not death this is just cold she breathed she did like is just cold she breathed she did like is just cold she breathed she did like four minutes in the ice bath her four minutes in the ice bath her four minutes in the ice bath her daughter's very proud of her daughter's very proud of her daughter's very proud of her well that was I think exceptional and well that was I think exceptional and well that was I think exceptional and immediate that wasn't titrating the cold immediate that wasn't titrating the cold immediate that wasn't titrating the cold to do exposure therapy it was to do exposure therapy it was to do exposure therapy it was um the the discipline of psychology um the the discipline of psychology um the the discipline of psychology overcoming the physiology and when she overcoming the physiology and when she overcoming the physiology and when she got over that initial hurdle I think she got over that initial hurdle I think she got over that initial hurdle I think she was done with renault's because then
27:00was done with renault's because then was done with renault's because then she's able to ice bath she's able to ice bath she's able to ice bath but we're not quite done with this story but we're not quite done with this story but we're not quite done with this story daughters have a way of growing up as daughters have a way of growing up as daughters have a way of growing up as you know uh so from 9 to 13 coal you know uh so from 9 to 13 coal you know uh so from 9 to 13 coal exposure became this like huge thing ice exposure became this like huge thing ice exposure became this like huge thing ice baths are exploding people are all over baths are exploding people are all over baths are exploding people are all over social media you're getting like the social media you're getting like the social media you're getting like the likes on those videos that you uh put up likes on those videos that you uh put up likes on those videos that you uh put up and the daughter found out that Joe and the daughter found out that Joe and the daughter found out that Joe Rogan did 22 minutes in his Morosco Rogan did 22 minutes in his Morosco Rogan did 22 minutes in his Morosco because Jocko willnick called him up and because Jocko willnick called him up and because Jocko willnick called him up and called him a wimp or something like that called him a wimp or something like that called him a wimp or something like that for only doing a minute and a half and for only doing a minute and a half and for only doing a minute and a half and the daughter's like 22 minutes that's the daughter's like 22 minutes that's the daughter's like 22 minutes that's nothing so she came over to my place nothing so she came over to my place nothing so she came over to my place again with Mom and she said I want to do again with Mom and she said I want to do again with Mom and she said I want to do an ice bath mom's like okay that's okay an ice bath mom's like okay that's okay an ice bath mom's like okay that's okay now I was in my living room mom and now I was in my living room mom and now I was in my living room mom and daughter are out on the balcony and I'm daughter are out on the balcony and I'm daughter are out on the balcony and I'm getting the text messages from Mom Mom getting the text messages from Mom Mom getting the text messages from Mom Mom says she's been in there eight minutes says she's been in there eight minutes says she's been in there eight minutes and um I'm a little worried oh no that's and um I'm a little worried oh no that's and um I'm a little worried oh no that's no problem no problem no problem she's been in there 12 minutes and it she's been in there 12 minutes and it she's been in there 12 minutes and it seems like a long time oh no no that's seems like a long time oh no no that's seems like a long time oh no no that's no problem no problem she says that she wants to beat Joe
28:00she says that she wants to beat Joe she says that she wants to beat Joe Rogan and that's 22 minutes I'm a little Rogan and that's 22 minutes I'm a little Rogan and that's 22 minutes I'm a little worried oh no that's no problem I get a worried oh no that's no problem I get a worried oh no that's no problem I get a text message she's been in there half an text message she's been in there half an text message she's been in there half an hour get her out hour get her out hour get her out it takes a long time for hypothermia it takes a long time for hypothermia it takes a long time for hypothermia like an hour and a half to really drop like an hour and a half to really drop like an hour and a half to really drop your core body temperature by the two your core body temperature by the two your core body temperature by the two and a half degrees thereabouts that and a half degrees thereabouts that and a half degrees thereabouts that would be considered hypothermia but at would be considered hypothermia but at would be considered hypothermia but at half an hour I think she proved her half an hour I think she proved her half an hour I think she proved her Point yeah she got out she could barely Point yeah she got out she could barely Point yeah she got out she could barely walk like uh Stephan yeah when I did 22 walk like uh Stephan yeah when I did 22 walk like uh Stephan yeah when I did 22 minutes I didn't have any motor control minutes I didn't have any motor control minutes I didn't have any motor control either and I don't have a sauna so now either and I don't have a sauna so now either and I don't have a sauna so now the problem is what do we do to rewarm the problem is what do we do to rewarm the problem is what do we do to rewarm and mom is very worried and mom is very worried and mom is very worried put her in the car put her in the car put her in the car Phoenix you crank up the heat you leave Phoenix you crank up the heat you leave Phoenix you crank up the heat you leave the windows up I call it a car sauna and the windows up I call it a car sauna and the windows up I call it a car sauna and as long as you're not driving you can as long as you're not driving you can as long as you're not driving you can get in Phoenix you get up to 165 degrees get in Phoenix you get up to 165 degrees get in Phoenix you get up to 165 degrees you don't need a sauna you just need you don't need a sauna you just need you don't need a sauna you just need some sunshine in a parking lot uh she we
29:00some sunshine in a parking lot uh she we some sunshine in a parking lot uh she we warmed she was great she was very proud warmed she was great she was very proud warmed she was great she was very proud of herself she still does she doesn't of herself she still does she doesn't of herself she still does she doesn't feel the need to do right one of the feel the need to do right one of the feel the need to do right one of the things I like about what you've shown things I like about what you've shown things I like about what you've shown people is you can microdose that's people is you can microdose that's people is you can microdose that's psychological hurdle shoot the anxiety psychological hurdle shoot the anxiety psychological hurdle shoot the anxiety when you're just thinking about getting when you're just thinking about getting when you're just thinking about getting the ice bath it's often worse than the the ice bath it's often worse than the the ice bath it's often worse than the being in the ice bath the first 15 being in the ice bath the first 15 being in the ice bath the first 15 seconds are where you get that autonomic seconds are where you get that autonomic seconds are where you get that autonomic response you get that fight or flight response you get that fight or flight response you get that fight or flight you don't need to send any records two you don't need to send any records two you don't need to send any records two minutes is more than enough but if all minutes is more than enough but if all minutes is more than enough but if all you got today is 45 seconds give it a you got today is 45 seconds give it a you got today is 45 seconds give it a shot I think it's fine I mean I just shot I think it's fine I mean I just shot I think it's fine I mean I just look at it the consistency for me is look at it the consistency for me is look at it the consistency for me is more important than the total duration more important than the total duration more important than the total duration um I mean just like with exercise you um I mean just like with exercise you um I mean just like with exercise you know some people run one Marathon a year know some people run one Marathon a year know some people run one Marathon a year they train for Boss Austin or New York they train for Boss Austin or New York they train for Boss Austin or New York or Chicago whatever then they don't run or Chicago whatever then they don't run or Chicago whatever then they don't run for the rest of the year and they're for the rest of the year and they're for the rest of the year and they're most likely going to regain the weight most likely going to regain the weight most likely going to regain the weight they lost in training and all that so they lost in training and all that so they lost in training and all that so for me it's that consistency because of for me it's that consistency because of for me it's that consistency because of the maybe it's the cold shock proteins the maybe it's the cold shock proteins the maybe it's the cold shock proteins or the brown adipose tissue activation or the brown adipose tissue activation or the brown adipose tissue activation but you know one thing that you've been but you know one thing that you've been but you know one thing that you've been talking a lot about is the hormonal
30:00talking a lot about is the hormonal talking a lot about is the hormonal shifts particularly testosterone shifts particularly testosterone shifts particularly testosterone increases which you know I've heard that increases which you know I've heard that increases which you know I've heard that anecdotally over the years when people anecdotally over the years when people anecdotally over the years when people were converting their chest freezers and were converting their chest freezers and were converting their chest freezers and stuff like that you know when that was stuff like that you know when that was stuff like that you know when that was going on maybe four or five years ago going on maybe four or five years ago going on maybe four or five years ago from a lot of my Healthcare practitioner from a lot of my Healthcare practitioner from a lot of my Healthcare practitioner friends they noticed that they have more friends they noticed that they have more friends they noticed that they have more Vitality more Vigor better functioning Vitality more Vigor better functioning Vitality more Vigor better functioning and it feels great so let's dive into and it feels great so let's dive into and it feels great so let's dive into that and what you notice with your own that and what you notice with your own that and what you notice with your own testosterone and the PSA story that you testosterone and the PSA story that you testosterone and the PSA story that you shared with me offline I think that is shared with me offline I think that is shared with me offline I think that is pretty empowering because we're seeing pretty empowering because we're seeing pretty empowering because we're seeing as as we were talking about offline the as as we were talking about offline the as as we were talking about offline the testosterone levels now of a 20 year old testosterone levels now of a 20 year old testosterone levels now of a 20 year old male or a 35 year old male is what male or a 35 year old male is what male or a 35 year old male is what historically what in their predecessor historically what in their predecessor historically what in their predecessor comparisons is now what like 50 year old comparisons is now what like 50 year old comparisons is now what like 50 year old men would normally have you're seeing men would normally have you're seeing men would normally have you're seeing that in 20 and 30 year olds so that in 20 and 30 year olds so that in 20 and 30 year olds so um how do you think it's increasing um how do you think it's increasing um how do you think it's increasing testosterone testosterone testosterone this was a an accident this was a an accident this was a an accident um for me I was 51 or 52 at the time and um for me I was 51 or 52 at the time and um for me I was 51 or 52 at the time and Arizona had just changed the law you Arizona had just changed the law you Arizona had just changed the law you could order your own Labs well I'm could order your own Labs well I'm could order your own Labs well I'm getting kind of curious about things and getting kind of curious about things and getting kind of curious about things and so I ordered the male Health blood panel
31:00so I ordered the male Health blood panel so I ordered the male Health blood panel whatever the heck is in there you know whatever the heck is in there you know whatever the heck is in there you know that all the cholesterol and you got to that all the cholesterol and you got to that all the cholesterol and you got to fast before you have the blood drawn and fast before you have the blood drawn and fast before you have the blood drawn and they take PSA which is prostate specific they take PSA which is prostate specific they take PSA which is prostate specific antigen they measure your free and total antigen they measure your free and total antigen they measure your free and total testosterone and I got all that done my testosterone and I got all that done my testosterone and I got all that done my PSA came back like 7.8 in retrospect I PSA came back like 7.8 in retrospect I PSA came back like 7.8 in retrospect I probably shouldn't have worried about it probably shouldn't have worried about it probably shouldn't have worried about it but they flagged it on the report like but they flagged it on the report like but they flagged it on the report like that's elevated now you're supposed to that's elevated now you're supposed to that's elevated now you're supposed to take a lab report like that and you're take a lab report like that and you're take a lab report like that and you're supposed to go to a doctor and say supposed to go to a doctor and say supposed to go to a doctor and say doctor we should do a prostate exam doctor we should do a prostate exam doctor we should do a prostate exam don't you think and doctor what do you don't you think and doctor what do you don't you think and doctor what do you think but as soon as you make contact think but as soon as you make contact think but as soon as you make contact with the allopathic medicine industry with the allopathic medicine industry with the allopathic medicine industry they're worse than car salesmen they are they're worse than car salesmen they are they're worse than car salesmen they are never going to let you go they're like never going to let you go they're like never going to let you go they're like well yes we should do the prostate exam well yes we should do the prostate exam well yes we should do the prostate exam and have you had any trouble urinating and have you had any trouble urinating and have you had any trouble urinating like have you been incontinent have you like have you been incontinent have you like have you been incontinent have you had an interruption flow and all of a had an interruption flow and all of a had an interruption flow and all of a sudden all these ideas are going through sudden all these ideas are going through sudden all these ideas are going through my head like I don't know how I pee like my head like I don't know how I pee like my head like I don't know how I pee like is this normal or is this not normal and is this normal or is this not normal and is this normal or is this not normal and I said before I talk to any doctor I'm
32:00I said before I talk to any doctor I'm I said before I talk to any doctor I'm going to talk to some other guys guys going to talk to some other guys guys going to talk to some other guys guys don't talk anywhere near enough because don't talk anywhere near enough because don't talk anywhere near enough because people that I thought men in my life people that I thought men in my life people that I thought men in my life some younger some older who have I've some younger some older who have I've some younger some older who have I've known for years they'd say well yeah I known for years they'd say well yeah I known for years they'd say well yeah I have my prostate out why didn't you tell have my prostate out why didn't you tell have my prostate out why didn't you tell me you know like when did this happen me you know like when did this happen me you know like when did this happen when I was 18 months ago but how we were when I was 18 months ago but how we were when I was 18 months ago but how we were together like you never mentioned it together like you never mentioned it together like you never mentioned it well you know it's not the kind of thing well you know it's not the kind of thing well you know it's not the kind of thing I talked to older guys I said well I had I talked to older guys I said well I had I talked to older guys I said well I had a biopsy and I decided not to have it a biopsy and I decided not to have it a biopsy and I decided not to have it out they all sounded like miserable out they all sounded like miserable out they all sounded like miserable experiences so in my anxiety and my experiences so in my anxiety and my experiences so in my anxiety and my determination to avoid allopathic determination to avoid allopathic determination to avoid allopathic medicine I said prostate cancer is medicine I said prostate cancer is medicine I said prostate cancer is typically very slow and a PSA is an typically very slow and a PSA is an typically very slow and a PSA is an unreliable indication of anything I'm unreliable indication of anything I'm unreliable indication of anything I'm gonna do some keto I'm going to cycle in gonna do some keto I'm going to cycle in gonna do some keto I'm going to cycle in and out I'm going to double down on the and out I'm going to double down on the and out I'm going to double down on the ice baths I'm going to see what happens ice baths I'm going to see what happens ice baths I'm going to see what happens in six months six months later I do in six months six months later I do in six months six months later I do another panel my PSA is down to 0.8 another panel my PSA is down to 0.8 another panel my PSA is down to 0.8 which is I mean in my age anything under which is I mean in my age anything under which is I mean in my age anything under than four is considered fine at least
33:00than four is considered fine at least than four is considered fine at least that's what they put on the report but I that's what they put on the report but I that's what they put on the report but I was really happy with 0.8 my was really happy with 0.8 my was really happy with 0.8 my testosterone was 1180. this is total T testosterone was 1180. this is total T testosterone was 1180. this is total T nanograms per decaliter nanograms per decaliter nanograms per decaliter what the hell happened because that came what the hell happened because that came what the hell happened because that came back with a big red triangular back with a big red triangular back with a big red triangular exclamation mark like out of range this exclamation mark like out of range this exclamation mark like out of range this is too high for your age so I had to do is too high for your age so I had to do is too high for your age so I had to do some more research too far high for my some more research too far high for my some more research too far high for my age nonsense I don't want to be normal age nonsense I don't want to be normal age nonsense I don't want to be normal because Normal is these graphs that you because Normal is these graphs that you because Normal is these graphs that you were just talking about we've seen them were just talking about we've seen them were just talking about we've seen them in the journal articles where the line in the journal articles where the line in the journal articles where the line just keeps going down down down down just keeps going down down down down just keeps going down down down down out of range but in a good way so I had out of range but in a good way so I had out of range but in a good way so I had to go to the library this is what I do I to go to the library this is what I do I to go to the library this is what I do I don't literally go to the library I go don't literally go to the library I go don't literally go to the library I go to scholar.google and found a study in to scholar.google and found a study in to scholar.google and found a study in 1991 this was out of Japan they took 1991 this was out of Japan they took 1991 this was out of Japan they took young men and they put them it wasn't young men and they put them it wasn't young men and they put them it wasn't even an ice bath they used the cold even an ice bath they used the cold even an ice bath they used the cold pressure test up to their elbow in ice pressure test up to their elbow in ice pressure test up to their elbow in ice water so it's called cold stimulation water so it's called cold stimulation water so it's called cold stimulation and then they put them on an exercise and then they put them on an exercise and then they put them on an exercise bike testosterone luteinizing hormone
34:00bike testosterone luteinizing hormone bike testosterone luteinizing hormone went way up through the roof when they went way up through the roof when they went way up through the roof when they did it the other way first exercise then did it the other way first exercise then did it the other way first exercise then do the cold stem which is almost always do the cold stem which is almost always do the cold stem which is almost always the way that people do it testosterone the way that people do it testosterone the way that people do it testosterone and luteinizing hormone went down the and luteinizing hormone went down the and luteinizing hormone went down the order for men really matters well I order for men really matters well I order for men really matters well I wasn't working out I wasn't doing ice wasn't working out I wasn't doing ice wasn't working out I wasn't doing ice baths because I wanted to get jacked or baths because I wanted to get jacked or baths because I wanted to get jacked or because I wanted to recover from all the because I wanted to recover from all the because I wanted to recover from all the running that and I don't run at all I running that and I don't run at all I running that and I don't run at all I was doing the ice baths because I wanted was doing the ice baths because I wanted was doing the ice baths because I wanted to heal my metabolism I wanted to see if to heal my metabolism I wanted to see if to heal my metabolism I wanted to see if it could shrink my prostate when I got it could shrink my prostate when I got it could shrink my prostate when I got out of the ice bath I was cold so I out of the ice bath I was cold so I out of the ice bath I was cold so I would re-warm it's either push-ups or would re-warm it's either push-ups or would re-warm it's either push-ups or jumping jacks or my steel mace or I jumping jacks or my steel mace or I jumping jacks or my steel mace or I would go on a walk not a lot of exercise would go on a walk not a lot of exercise would go on a walk not a lot of exercise it was just supposed to warm me up it was just supposed to warm me up it was just supposed to warm me up the Japanese study that did 20 minutes the Japanese study that did 20 minutes the Japanese study that did 20 minutes on the circular bike that was stationary on the circular bike that was stationary on the circular bike that was stationary bicycle that was it not even heavy bicycle that was it not even heavy bicycle that was it not even heavy lifting or anything and that's how they lifting or anything and that's how they lifting or anything and that's how they got their boost I'm like well that's got their boost I'm like well that's got their boost I'm like well that's amazing that was a 1991 study amazing that was a 1991 study amazing that was a 1991 study I wrote an article about what happened I wrote an article about what happened I wrote an article about what happened to me
35:00to me to me um my ice bath partner Jason he said um my ice bath partner Jason he said um my ice bath partner Jason he said well I got to try this he took his well I got to try this he took his well I got to try this he took his testosterone from 600 up to 940 doing testosterone from 600 up to 940 doing testosterone from 600 up to 940 doing the same thing well now we're up to n the same thing well now we're up to n the same thing well now we're up to n equals two since then the Italian rugby equals two since then the Italian rugby equals two since then the Italian rugby team like these Europeans football teams team like these Europeans football teams team like these Europeans football teams soccer if you're in the United States soccer if you're in the United States soccer if you're in the United States you know you know all these this work on male athletes has all these this work on male athletes has all these this work on male athletes has been really curious about testosterone been really curious about testosterone been really curious about testosterone how do we maximize their anabolic gains how do we maximize their anabolic gains how do we maximize their anabolic gains and you Ruben is right about this do not and you Ruben is right about this do not and you Ruben is right about this do not ice bath for Recovery if what you're ice bath for Recovery if what you're ice bath for Recovery if what you're trying to do is build muscle mass if I trying to do is build muscle mass if I trying to do is build muscle mass if I don't know you're in the Tour de France don't know you're in the Tour de France don't know you're in the Tour de France and you just finished a leg and you want and you just finished a leg and you want and you just finished a leg and you want to bring yourself back up to Performance to bring yourself back up to Performance to bring yourself back up to Performance level right away the ice bath can help level right away the ice bath can help level right away the ice bath can help you with that but it will not help you you with that but it will not help you you with that but it will not help you with the anabolic gains huberman says with the anabolic gains huberman says with the anabolic gains huberman says wait four or five hours which sounds wait four or five hours which sounds wait four or five hours which sounds like really good advice but if what like really good advice but if what like really good advice but if what you're going for is to correct your you're going for is to correct your you're going for is to correct your testosterone level I'm now 57 I just testosterone level I'm now 57 I just testosterone level I'm now 57 I just re-measured I was like 1100 10 40 re-measured I was like 1100 10 40 re-measured I was like 1100 10 40 something like this it's still over a something like this it's still over a something like this it's still over a thousand which many people consider
36:00exceptional and I'm thinking I don't feel exceptional I'm a 57 year old fat feel exceptional I'm a 57 year old fat feel exceptional I'm a 57 year old fat guy like guy like guy like it seems achievable but it takes time it seems achievable but it takes time it seems achievable but it takes time when you're gonna do this for anabolic when you're gonna do this for anabolic when you're gonna do this for anabolic gains use exercise to recover from the gains use exercise to recover from the gains use exercise to recover from the cold not the other way around the cold not the other way around the cold not the other way around the studies that I've seen that have come studies that I've seen that have come studies that I've seen that have come out since 1991 reinforce this pattern in out since 1991 reinforce this pattern in out since 1991 reinforce this pattern in men that the cold before it's called men that the cold before it's called men that the cold before it's called pre-cooling Craig Heller is a scientist pre-cooling Craig Heller is a scientist pre-cooling Craig Heller is a scientist at Stanford who studied pre-cooling for at Stanford who studied pre-cooling for at Stanford who studied pre-cooling for performance enhancement Peak muscle performance enhancement Peak muscle performance enhancement Peak muscle power goes way up endurance goes way up power goes way up endurance goes way up power goes way up endurance goes way up because the pre-cooling effect protects because the pre-cooling effect protects because the pre-cooling effect protects the mitochondria and of course your the mitochondria and of course your the mitochondria and of course your testosterone response goes way up testosterone response goes way up testosterone response goes way up this is what Joe Rogan was talking about this is what Joe Rogan was talking about this is what Joe Rogan was talking about in December with David Goggins I think in December with David Goggins I think in December with David Goggins I think he said there's this tremendous benefit he said there's this tremendous benefit he said there's this tremendous benefit for doing your ice bath before your for doing your ice bath before your for doing your ice bath before your exercise the only problem is he says
37:00exercise the only problem is he says exercise the only problem is he says it's really hard it really sucks because it's really hard it really sucks because it's really hard it really sucks because it's winner what'd you say you know 40 it's winner what'd you say you know 40 it's winner what'd you say you know 40 degrees where he lives in Texas and he's degrees where he lives in Texas and he's degrees where he lives in Texas and he's in his underwear and nobody wants to get in his underwear and nobody wants to get in his underwear and nobody wants to get into the cold when it's gray and chilly into the cold when it's gray and chilly into the cold when it's gray and chilly but when you pre-cool your workout your but when you pre-cool your workout your but when you pre-cool your workout your testosterone will boost testosterone will boost testosterone will boost women it's different there's only been women it's different there's only been women it's different there's only been one study and again it was the cold one study and again it was the cold one study and again it was the cold pressure test it was undergraduate women pressure test it was undergraduate women pressure test it was undergraduate women uh so early 20s they were measuring uh so early 20s they were measuring uh so early 20s they were measuring saliva and they wanted to measure a lot saliva and they wanted to measure a lot saliva and they wanted to measure a lot of the hormones but testosterone was one of the hormones but testosterone was one of the hormones but testosterone was one of the ones that they grabbed this was of the ones that they grabbed this was of the ones that they grabbed this was not a testosterone study not a testosterone study not a testosterone study what they found was in women cold what they found was in women cold what they found was in women cold stimulation raises their saliva stimulation raises their saliva stimulation raises their saliva testosterone they did not find the same testosterone they did not find the same testosterone they did not find the same effect for men effect for men effect for men now why would this be so what it now why would this be so what it now why would this be so what it suggests is women don't even have to suggests is women don't even have to suggests is women don't even have to exercise just get a little bit of cold exercise just get a little bit of cold exercise just get a little bit of cold well when you think about in women well when you think about in women well when you think about in women testosterone is made in the ovaries testosterone is made in the ovaries testosterone is made in the ovaries those are inside the body in men
38:00those are inside the body in men those are inside the body in men testosterone is made in the testes those testosterone is made in the testes those testosterone is made in the testes those are outside the body why wouldn't we are outside the body why wouldn't we are outside the body why wouldn't we respond differently to cold exposure respond differently to cold exposure respond differently to cold exposure when our anatomy is so different but when our anatomy is so different but when our anatomy is so different but what we don't have is reliable studies what we don't have is reliable studies what we don't have is reliable studies on female athletes just like the analog on female athletes just like the analog on female athletes just like the analog on the rugby players or whatever that on the rugby players or whatever that on the rugby players or whatever that says this is what's going to happen if says this is what's going to happen if says this is what's going to happen if you do whole body followed up by you do whole body followed up by you do whole body followed up by exercise we have no data on menopausal exercise we have no data on menopausal exercise we have no data on menopausal women for wear testosterone is a really women for wear testosterone is a really women for wear testosterone is a really important sex hormone as a matter of important sex hormone as a matter of important sex hormone as a matter of fact testosterone is the dominant sex fact testosterone is the dominant sex fact testosterone is the dominant sex hormone in women just like it is in men hormone in women just like it is in men hormone in women just like it is in men they have more testosterone in their they have more testosterone in their they have more testosterone in their body than they have estrogen not as much body than they have estrogen not as much body than they have estrogen not as much as men do but testosterone is an as men do but testosterone is an as men do but testosterone is an important sex hormone at any age in an important sex hormone at any age in an important sex hormone at any age in an adult in any woman's life adult in any woman's life adult in any woman's life when it comes to menopausal women who when it comes to menopausal women who when it comes to menopausal women who are experiencing a testosterone are experiencing a testosterone are experiencing a testosterone deficiency there are no FDA approved deficiency there are no FDA approved deficiency there are no FDA approved treatments for menopausal women you have treatments for menopausal women you have treatments for menopausal women you have to tell clinician wants to treat a to tell clinician wants to treat a to tell clinician wants to treat a menopausal woman she's got to take trt menopausal woman she's got to take trt menopausal woman she's got to take trt that is designed for a man and somehow
39:00that is designed for a man and somehow that is designed for a man and somehow adapt it to women so if we could get adapt it to women so if we could get adapt it to women so if we could get more data on older women and more data on older women and more data on older women and testosterone so they could produce this testosterone so they could produce this testosterone so they could produce this endogenously this would for some women endogenously this would for some women endogenously this would for some women this would feel like a miracle a game this would feel like a miracle a game this would feel like a miracle a game changer for sex life bone mineral changer for sex life bone mineral changer for sex life bone mineral density muscle mass they're not density muscle mass they're not density muscle mass they're not following me on Instagram it's the jocks following me on Instagram it's the jocks following me on Instagram it's the jocks who are following me on Instagram saying who are following me on Instagram saying who are following me on Instagram saying how do I get my T levels up but I think how do I get my T levels up but I think how do I get my T levels up but I think there's a real medical need for more there's a real medical need for more there's a real medical need for more studies on older people that's amazing studies on older people that's amazing studies on older people that's amazing so the mechanism here is more so the mechanism here is more so the mechanism here is more pre-exercise cold and that that causes pre-exercise cold and that that causes pre-exercise cold and that that causes the post-exercise increase in the the post-exercise increase in the the post-exercise increase in the testosterone that's super fascinating testosterone that's super fascinating testosterone that's super fascinating the you know I used to do that by the you know I used to do that by the you know I used to do that by pre-cover there was a powerlifting class pre-cover there was a powerlifting class pre-cover there was a powerlifting class at 7 30 in the morning and I would get at 7 30 in the morning and I would get at 7 30 in the morning and I would get in the plunge and then go but then I in the plunge and then go but then I in the plunge and then go but then I remember I didn't warm up it was like a remember I didn't warm up it was like a remember I didn't warm up it was like a bench day I didn't warm up my and I I bench day I didn't warm up my and I I bench day I didn't warm up my and I I did something in my tricep and I just did something in my tricep and I just did something in my tricep and I just mentally was like okay I'm gonna I can't mentally was like okay I'm gonna I can't mentally was like okay I'm gonna I can't do that anymore but now I'm going to do that anymore but now I'm going to do that anymore but now I'm going to start redoing that because I wasn't I start redoing that because I wasn't I start redoing that because I wasn't I didn't make the association between the didn't make the association between the didn't make the association between the pre-exercise cold and then the post pre-exercise cold and then the post pre-exercise cold and then the post exercise increases but that does make a exercise increases but that does make a exercise increases but that does make a lot of sense there is a lot of like
40:00lot of sense there is a lot of like lot of sense there is a lot of like intra-workout cooling mechanisms that intra-workout cooling mechanisms that intra-workout cooling mechanisms that people are developing to help increase people are developing to help increase people are developing to help increase muscular power and endurance so if you muscular power and endurance so if you muscular power and endurance so if you could go into it cooler you could could go into it cooler you could could go into it cooler you could tolerate more power and more work and so tolerate more power and more work and so tolerate more power and more work and so I think that's a fascinating mechanism I think that's a fascinating mechanism I think that's a fascinating mechanism just you know warm up a little bit just you know warm up a little bit just you know warm up a little bit better and I think you're good one of better and I think you're good one of better and I think you're good one of the cool things about social media is um the cool things about social media is um the cool things about social media is um I get to hear from a lot of people we I get to hear from a lot of people we I get to hear from a lot of people we get into a conversation so guys ask me get into a conversation so guys ask me get into a conversation so guys ask me well do you have to start exercising well do you have to start exercising well do you have to start exercising right away I don't know uh what's right away I don't know uh what's right away I don't know uh what's working for you and they say well I'll working for you and they say well I'll working for you and they say well I'll do my ice bath then it takes me 25 do my ice bath then it takes me 25 do my ice bath then it takes me 25 minutes to go to the gym and I still minutes to go to the gym and I still minutes to go to the gym and I still feel cold when I go to the gym do you feel cold when I go to the gym do you feel cold when I go to the gym do you think I'm getting benefits I'm like well think I'm getting benefits I'm like well think I'm getting benefits I'm like well have you measured your teeth and they're have you measured your teeth and they're have you measured your teeth and they're telling me yes when you you haven't telling me yes when you you haven't telling me yes when you you haven't quite warmed up all the way and then you quite warmed up all the way and then you quite warmed up all the way and then you start your workout we're still seeing start your workout we're still seeing start your workout we're still seeing some beneficial effect it doesn't have some beneficial effect it doesn't have some beneficial effect it doesn't have to be right away but then guys are to be right away but then guys are to be right away but then guys are asking me but asking me but asking me but couldn't I injure myself my muscles feel couldn't I injure myself my muscles feel couldn't I injure myself my muscles feel tight you know and tight you know and tight you know and um would that be a good thing for my um would that be a good thing for my um would that be a good thing for my work I don't know I'm not a physiologist work I don't know I'm not a physiologist work I don't know I'm not a physiologist or a kinesia I'm an engineer
41:00or a kinesia I'm an engineer or a kinesia I'm an engineer but it doesn't have to be a lot of but it doesn't have to be a lot of but it doesn't have to be a lot of exercise this is where a warm-up routine exercise this is where a warm-up routine exercise this is where a warm-up routine might be really helpful for me it could might be really helpful for me it could might be really helpful for me it could be a walk I heard from one guy in be a walk I heard from one guy in be a walk I heard from one guy in Massachusetts he's four or five years Massachusetts he's four or five years Massachusetts he's four or five years older than me older than me older than me he was on trt he'd read the articles he he was on trt he'd read the articles he he was on trt he'd read the articles he said I don't want to be on trt my whole said I don't want to be on trt my whole said I don't want to be on trt my whole life I want to try this instead so he life I want to try this instead so he life I want to try this instead so he went down to a pond it's biased house went down to a pond it's biased house went down to a pond it's biased house and he would do his cold exposure in the and he would do his cold exposure in the and he would do his cold exposure in the pond and then he would walk back and pond and then he would walk back and pond and then he would walk back and this is just like soccer mom power or we this is just like soccer mom power or we this is just like soccer mom power or we have no Pride when we get to 61 and have no Pride when we get to 61 and have no Pride when we get to 61 and we're trying to like improve our tea he we're trying to like improve our tea he we're trying to like improve our tea he sent me his before after test results he sent me his before after test results he sent me his before after test results he went from 550 when he was on trt went from 550 when he was on trt went from 550 when he was on trt testosterone replacement therapy to over testosterone replacement therapy to over testosterone replacement therapy to over 1200 and he ditched the trt and he's in 1200 and he ditched the trt and he's in 1200 and he ditched the trt and he's in his 60s his 60s his 60s that's a dozen yeah I thought so too it that's a dozen yeah I thought so too it that's a dozen yeah I thought so too it doesn't take a lot of exercise a walk doesn't take a lot of exercise a walk doesn't take a lot of exercise a walk can do it the Japanese guys were on the can do it the Japanese guys were on the can do it the Japanese guys were on the stationary bike so if you're worried stationary bike so if you're worried stationary bike so if you're worried about injury because you want to
42:00about injury because you want to about injury because you want to pre-cool your power lifting pre-cool your power lifting pre-cool your power lifting put an interval in there where you're put an interval in there where you're put an interval in there where you're just doing body weight stuff you could just doing body weight stuff you could just doing body weight stuff you could be doing I know some burpees or maybe be doing I know some burpees or maybe be doing I know some burpees or maybe you could walk to your gym and this you could walk to your gym and this you could walk to your gym and this would get you the exercise you need for would get you the exercise you need for would get you the exercise you need for the testosterone you're looking for the testosterone you're looking for the testosterone you're looking for that's amazing yeah I mean one of the that's amazing yeah I mean one of the that's amazing yeah I mean one of the things that I've been naturally doing is things that I've been naturally doing is things that I've been naturally doing is my daughter we bike to school so a cold my daughter we bike to school so a cold my daughter we bike to school so a cold plunge a bike to school and yeah I feel plunge a bike to school and yeah I feel plunge a bike to school and yeah I feel I'll be 41 in August and like I feel I'll be 41 in August and like I feel I'll be 41 in August and like I feel like the most vital that I've been my like the most vital that I've been my like the most vital that I've been my whole life so very fascinating I think whole life so very fascinating I think whole life so very fascinating I think that's a that could impact the the lives that's a that could impact the the lives that's a that could impact the the lives of a lot of men which is really of a lot of men which is really of a lot of men which is really fascinating fascinating fascinating um you mentioned Brown fat earlier the um you mentioned Brown fat earlier the um you mentioned Brown fat earlier the adaptation there we were talking about adaptation there we were talking about adaptation there we were talking about the Obesity crisis we see it everywhere the Obesity crisis we see it everywhere the Obesity crisis we see it everywhere in airports grocery stores you know in airports grocery stores you know in airports grocery stores you know amusement parks unfortunately obese amusement parks unfortunately obese amusement parks unfortunately obese children the idea that our Brown adipose children the idea that our Brown adipose children the idea that our Brown adipose tissue it might be common that brown tissue it might be common that brown tissue it might be common that brown adipose tissue goes into a nadir as you adipose tissue goes into a nadir as you adipose tissue goes into a nadir as you get to be an adult but it's not normal get to be an adult but it's not normal get to be an adult but it's not normal we should be able to tolerate so the do we should be able to tolerate so the do we should be able to tolerate so the do you think that's up there with you know
43:00you think that's up there with you know you think that's up there with you know in addition to the hanselier resilience in addition to the hanselier resilience in addition to the hanselier resilience princess being primary that we're princess being primary that we're princess being primary that we're inducing this this dormant fat tissue inducing this this dormant fat tissue inducing this this dormant fat tissue and that has these metabolic health and that has these metabolic health and that has these metabolic health benefits Brown fat is an essential organ benefits Brown fat is an essential organ benefits Brown fat is an essential organ um you know I want to compare to a um you know I want to compare to a um you know I want to compare to a kidney or to the liver and people kidney or to the liver and people kidney or to the liver and people understand that those are essential understand that those are essential understand that those are essential organs but the thing is if you lose your organs but the thing is if you lose your organs but the thing is if you lose your brown fat it doesn't catch up with you brown fat it doesn't catch up with you brown fat it doesn't catch up with you all at once like the other organs that all at once like the other organs that all at once like the other organs that we're familiar with we're familiar with we're familiar with babies have about 30 percent of their babies have about 30 percent of their babies have about 30 percent of their body weight is brown fat because their body weight is brown fat because their body weight is brown fat because their muscles are so underdeveloped they can't muscles are so underdeveloped they can't muscles are so underdeveloped they can't shiver to keep warm so they use shiver to keep warm so they use shiver to keep warm so they use non-shivering cold thermogenesis and non-shivering cold thermogenesis and non-shivering cold thermogenesis and that's all brown fat babies know how to that's all brown fat babies know how to that's all brown fat babies know how to stay cold the parents are anxious the stay cold the parents are anxious the stay cold the parents are anxious the parents are like oh my gosh I gotta have parents are like oh my gosh I gotta have parents are like oh my gosh I gotta have a hat we gotta swaddle them up and stuff a hat we gotta swaddle them up and stuff a hat we gotta swaddle them up and stuff like but babies are well protected then like but babies are well protected then like but babies are well protected then as we grow it's not that our Brown fat as we grow it's not that our Brown fat as we grow it's not that our Brown fat necessarily diminishes but the rest of necessarily diminishes but the rest of necessarily diminishes but the rest of our body is growing up so much so we our body is growing up so much so we our body is growing up so much so we hear that expression you grow out of hear that expression you grow out of hear that expression you grow out of your baby fat the muscles get bigger
44:00your baby fat the muscles get bigger your baby fat the muscles get bigger they can handle more of the Shivering they can handle more of the Shivering they can handle more of the Shivering thermogenesis without regular cold thermogenesis without regular cold thermogenesis without regular cold exposure you really would lose all your exposure you really would lose all your exposure you really would lose all your brown fat there's a study by the age of brown fat there's a study by the age of brown fat there's a study by the age of 40. 95 percent of the people in the 40. 95 percent of the people in the 40. 95 percent of the people in the United States have zero detectable Brown United States have zero detectable Brown United States have zero detectable Brown fat so what does that mean when I say fat so what does that mean when I say fat so what does that mean when I say it's an essential organ it's an essential organ it's an essential organ metabolic disorders are associated with metabolic disorders are associated with metabolic disorders are associated with a lack of brown fat because Brown fat a lack of brown fat because Brown fat a lack of brown fat because Brown fat does not just keep you warm in the cold does not just keep you warm in the cold does not just keep you warm in the cold it is also a secretory organ that is it it is also a secretory organ that is it it is also a secretory organ that is it makes hormones it makes more thyroid makes hormones it makes more thyroid makes hormones it makes more thyroid stimulating hormone than any other thing stimulating hormone than any other thing stimulating hormone than any other thing in your body will Ben bickman is really in your body will Ben bickman is really in your body will Ben bickman is really good on this one and he did a post on it good on this one and he did a post on it good on this one and he did a post on it recently your thyroid and your brown fat recently your thyroid and your brown fat recently your thyroid and your brown fat they work together they work together they work together if your brown fat is diminished to the if your brown fat is diminished to the if your brown fat is diminished to the point because you live in Florida or you point because you live in Florida or you point because you live in Florida or you live in Phoenix to the point where you live in Phoenix to the point where you live in Phoenix to the point where you just don't have any your thyroid has just don't have any your thyroid has just don't have any your thyroid has nothing to modulate its activity so now nothing to modulate its activity so now nothing to modulate its activity so now hyper or hypothyroidism is so much more hyper or hypothyroidism is so much more hyper or hypothyroidism is so much more common in people with no Brown fat common in people with no Brown fat common in people with no Brown fat because they're not getting the thyroid because they're not getting the thyroid because they're not getting the thyroid stimulating thyroid talks to the brown
45:00stimulating thyroid talks to the brown stimulating thyroid talks to the brown fat Brown fat talks back to the thyroid fat Brown fat talks back to the thyroid fat Brown fat talks back to the thyroid when you are experiencing a thyroid when you are experiencing a thyroid when you are experiencing a thyroid disorder if your physician is not asking disorder if your physician is not asking disorder if your physician is not asking you about cold exposure then you're you about cold exposure then you're you about cold exposure then you're missing a potential remedy that will not missing a potential remedy that will not missing a potential remedy that will not require a lifetime of prescription require a lifetime of prescription require a lifetime of prescription medicine add some cold back into your medicine add some cold back into your medicine add some cold back into your life and you will it's called Beijing life and you will it's called Beijing life and you will it's called Beijing your white fat you will Recruit new your white fat you will Recruit new your white fat you will Recruit new Brown fat into your body Brown fat into your body Brown fat into your body that brown fat will produce that brown fat will produce that brown fat will produce neuroprotective hormones for your brain neuroprotective hormones for your brain neuroprotective hormones for your brain it will produce thyroid stimulating it will produce thyroid stimulating it will produce thyroid stimulating hormone and it will modulate your hormone and it will modulate your hormone and it will modulate your metabolism to bring it back in order metabolism to bring it back in order metabolism to bring it back in order Brown fat has so many benefits Beyond Brown fat has so many benefits Beyond Brown fat has so many benefits Beyond just cold acclimation that I think I've just cold acclimation that I think I've just cold acclimation that I think I've just scratched the surface of it it's just scratched the surface of it it's just scratched the surface of it it's amazing Amanda I like to follow the amazing Amanda I like to follow the amazing Amanda I like to follow the research Trends and all that it seems research Trends and all that it seems research Trends and all that it seems that pharmaceutical pharmaceutical that pharmaceutical pharmaceutical that pharmaceutical pharmaceutical companies and tech companies are trying companies and tech companies are trying companies and tech companies are trying to make them a medic or some sort of to make them a medic or some sort of to make them a medic or some sort of messenger that would normally be messenger that would normally be
46:00messenger that would normally be released from the brown fat that you released from the brown fat that you released from the brown fat that you would take exogenously but I think the would take exogenously but I think the would take exogenously but I think the best way to circumvent using drugs is best way to circumvent using drugs is best way to circumvent using drugs is just to induce it naturally by getting just to induce it naturally by getting just to induce it naturally by getting cold and Ted Cruz has uh saying he's so cold and Ted Cruz has uh saying he's so cold and Ted Cruz has uh saying he's so difficult to listen to sometimes but difficult to listen to sometimes but difficult to listen to sometimes but this is the one that sticks in my mind this is the one that sticks in my mind this is the one that sticks in my mind if your body can make it you don't need if your body can make it you don't need if your body can make it you don't need to take it now you might need to give to take it now you might need to give to take it now you might need to give your body the right stimulus the right your body the right stimulus the right your body the right stimulus the right nutrition the right ingredients that nutrition the right ingredients that nutrition the right ingredients that they need to make the thing but um he's they need to make the thing but um he's they need to make the thing but um he's got kind of a good point why are the got kind of a good point why are the got kind of a good point why are the Pharmaceuticals trying to put in a pill Pharmaceuticals trying to put in a pill Pharmaceuticals trying to put in a pill what your body can make if you just give what your body can make if you just give what your body can make if you just give it a little cold exposure and activate it a little cold exposure and activate it a little cold exposure and activate your brown fat I would much rather a your brown fat I would much rather a your brown fat I would much rather a cold shower can do it a walk outdoors cold shower can do it a walk outdoors cold shower can do it a walk outdoors and a t-shirt on a winter day it can do and a t-shirt on a winter day it can do and a t-shirt on a winter day it can do it it doesn't have to be a lot of cold it it doesn't have to be a lot of cold it it doesn't have to be a lot of cold but see people ask me but see people ask me but see people ask me um but wait a second you know my um but wait a second you know my um but wait a second you know my ancestors are equatorial uh you know it ancestors are equatorial uh you know it ancestors are equatorial uh you know it might be fine for you Tom your people might be fine for you Tom your people might be fine for you Tom your people come from the North Sea or wherever and come from the North Sea or wherever and come from the North Sea or wherever and they got cold but if you're
47:00they got cold but if you're they got cold but if you're um one of the like East Africans or um one of the like East Africans or um one of the like East Africans or you're from Nigeria or you're from one you're from Nigeria or you're from one you're from Nigeria or you're from one of these warmer climates why should you of these warmer climates why should you of these warmer climates why should you have to get cold and it's a great have to get cold and it's a great have to get cold and it's a great question that challenges the intuition question that challenges the intuition question that challenges the intuition and then I realized where does vimhof and then I realized where does vimhof and then I realized where does vimhof take his Chinese up Mount Kilimanjaro take his Chinese up Mount Kilimanjaro take his Chinese up Mount Kilimanjaro where is Mount Kilimanjaro it's on the where is Mount Kilimanjaro it's on the where is Mount Kilimanjaro it's on the equator for goodness sakes turns out equator for goodness sakes turns out equator for goodness sakes turns out there are four active glaciers in East there are four active glaciers in East there are four active glaciers in East Africa where the oldest Homo Sapien Africa where the oldest Homo Sapien Africa where the oldest Homo Sapien fossils have been found so if you buy fossils have been found so if you buy fossils have been found so if you buy this idea that that human beings emerged this idea that that human beings emerged this idea that that human beings emerged in East Africa in East Africa in East Africa and then they had to survive the Ice Age and then they had to survive the Ice Age and then they had to survive the Ice Age these bottlenecks where the whole human these bottlenecks where the whole human these bottlenecks where the whole human population was down to like 10 000 population was down to like 10 000 population was down to like 10 000 people according to what I'm reading in people according to what I'm reading in people according to what I'm reading in the archaeological records the archaeological records the archaeological records those 10 000 people were living between those 10 000 people were living between those 10 000 people were living between the H the glacier and the cold ocean the H the glacier and the cold ocean the H the glacier and the cold ocean they bathed in the streams they forged they bathed in the streams they forged they bathed in the streams they forged in the streams they hunted in the in the streams they hunted in the in the streams they hunted in the streams they gave birth in the streams streams they gave birth in the streams streams they gave birth in the streams and those streams were cold everyone's
48:00and those streams were cold everyone's and those streams were cold everyone's body is evolutionarily designed to body is evolutionarily designed to body is evolutionarily designed to expect cold exposure just like it's expect cold exposure just like it's expect cold exposure just like it's designed to expect exercise just like designed to expect exercise just like designed to expect exercise just like it's a design to expect certain it's a design to expect certain it's a design to expect certain nutrition nutrition nutrition if you don't get cold you're not giving if you don't get cold you're not giving if you don't get cold you're not giving your body what your ancestors got what your body what your ancestors got what your body what your ancestors got what you're designed to expect and you will you're designed to expect and you will you're designed to expect and you will experience disorders of metabolism as a experience disorders of metabolism as a experience disorders of metabolism as a result they sneak up on you like 30 result they sneak up on you like 30 result they sneak up on you like 30 you're feeling great 35 you're like oh I you're feeling great 35 you're like oh I you're feeling great 35 you're like oh I don't know I don't have the energy that don't know I don't have the energy that don't know I don't have the energy that I used to have and by 55 your doctor's I used to have and by 55 your doctor's I used to have and by 55 your doctor's trying to get you on all these trying to get you on all these trying to get you on all these prescription medicines and telling you prescription medicines and telling you prescription medicines and telling you that you have a progressive degenerative that you have a progressive degenerative that you have a progressive degenerative disease this is going to last you the disease this is going to last you the disease this is going to last you the rest of your life when the fact is you rest of your life when the fact is you rest of your life when the fact is you have a thermostat problem yeah I mean have a thermostat problem yeah I mean have a thermostat problem yeah I mean this is true and I remember there was an this is true and I remember there was an this is true and I remember there was an article in 2010 in the Journal of article in 2010 in the Journal of article in 2010 in the Journal of obesity finding a correlation this is obesity finding a correlation this is obesity finding a correlation this is just like a an observation that people just like a an observation that people just like a an observation that people who live in thermal neutral environments who live in thermal neutral environments who live in thermal neutral environments generally have a higher rate of generally have a higher rate of generally have a higher rate of adiposity more overweightness and part adiposity more overweightness and part adiposity more overweightness and part of that could be this lack of induction
49:00of that could be this lack of induction of that could be this lack of induction of the thermal stress that causes people of the thermal stress that causes people of the thermal stress that causes people to then gain body fat so I I think the to then gain body fat so I I think the to then gain body fat so I I think the evidence there evidence there evidence there epidemiologic evidence is there and all epidemiologic evidence is there and all epidemiologic evidence is there and all that and I was unaware of that that and I was unaware of that that and I was unaware of that archaeological data that's that really archaeological data that's that really archaeological data that's that really adds a nice perspective it does it tells adds a nice perspective it does it tells adds a nice perspective it does it tells a good story uh and I'm not drawing a a good story uh and I'm not drawing a a good story uh and I'm not drawing a graph with an r squared of you know 0.99 graph with an r squared of you know 0.99 graph with an r squared of you know 0.99 or something but it's an a story that or something but it's an a story that or something but it's an a story that informs our intuition and some of the informs our intuition and some of the informs our intuition and some of the best hypotheses comes out of these uh best hypotheses comes out of these uh best hypotheses comes out of these uh stories and it's also worth cautioning stories and it's also worth cautioning stories and it's also worth cautioning people one thing that cold exposure has people one thing that cold exposure has people one thing that cold exposure has not done for me is help me lose weight not done for me is help me lose weight not done for me is help me lose weight like I used to be 250 pounds and I lost like I used to be 250 pounds and I lost like I used to be 250 pounds and I lost weight not by doing I did up my exercise weight not by doing I did up my exercise weight not by doing I did up my exercise but not by doing cold but by changing my but not by doing cold but by changing my but not by doing cold but by changing my diet doing a little more keto mostly go diet doing a little more keto mostly go diet doing a little more keto mostly go skipping meals so intermittent fasting skipping meals so intermittent fasting skipping meals so intermittent fasting I've never met somebody that says and I've never met somebody that says and I've never met somebody that says and then I started doing cold exposure and then I started doing cold exposure and then I started doing cold exposure and you know the before after and look at me you know the before after and look at me you know the before after and look at me I'm jacked um cold exposure is great for I'm jacked um cold exposure is great for I'm jacked um cold exposure is great for the metabolism and it does burn a lot of
50:00the metabolism and it does burn a lot of the metabolism and it does burn a lot of fat it uses up a lot of calories while fat it uses up a lot of calories while fat it uses up a lot of calories while you're in it you're in it you're in it but when you go to bed you sleep great but when you go to bed you sleep great but when you go to bed you sleep great and why do you sleep great because your and why do you sleep great because your and why do you sleep great because your body takes your core your resting body takes your core your resting body takes your core your resting temperature down and it can be as much temperature down and it can be as much temperature down and it can be as much as like a degree and a half Fahrenheit as like a degree and a half Fahrenheit as like a degree and a half Fahrenheit these are called compensatory metabolic these are called compensatory metabolic these are called compensatory metabolic mechanisms your body knows you're in mechanisms your body knows you're in mechanisms your body knows you're in this like this fat deficit it could be a this like this fat deficit it could be a this like this fat deficit it could be a caloric deficit but in this energy caloric deficit but in this energy caloric deficit but in this energy deficit and your body's like we're gonna deficit and your body's like we're gonna deficit and your body's like we're gonna make that up make that up make that up there's two I'm going to oversimplify there's two I'm going to oversimplify there's two I'm going to oversimplify but there's two categories of fat to but there's two categories of fat to but there's two categories of fat to think about one of them is subcutaneous think about one of them is subcutaneous think about one of them is subcutaneous fat I got plenty of it the other is fat I got plenty of it the other is fat I got plenty of it the other is visceral fat or the pot belly fat the visceral fat or the pot belly fat the visceral fat or the pot belly fat the difference between subcutaneous fat and difference between subcutaneous fat and difference between subcutaneous fat and visceral fat is that visceral fat will visceral fat is that visceral fat will visceral fat is that visceral fat will kill you and the subcutaneous fat can be kill you and the subcutaneous fat can be kill you and the subcutaneous fat can be benign and I think you've published on benign and I think you've published on benign and I think you've published on this before you say just because you're this before you say just because you're this before you say just because you're overweight doesn't necessarily mean that overweight doesn't necessarily mean that overweight doesn't necessarily mean that you're metabolically healthy recently
51:00you're metabolically healthy recently you're metabolically healthy recently your messaging has been more on point your messaging has been more on point your messaging has been more on point with look get your body composition in with look get your body composition in with look get your body composition in order order order but you can be metabolically healthy but you can be metabolically healthy but you can be metabolically healthy with more subcutaneous fat than is ideal with more subcutaneous fat than is ideal with more subcutaneous fat than is ideal it is the visceral fat that really does it is the visceral fat that really does it is the visceral fat that really does the damage cold exposure will remodel the damage cold exposure will remodel the damage cold exposure will remodel your fat it will change visceral fat your fat it will change visceral fat your fat it will change visceral fat into subcutaneous it will not help you into subcutaneous it will not help you into subcutaneous it will not help you lose weight because it induces some kind lose weight because it induces some kind lose weight because it induces some kind of caloric deficit and then the really of caloric deficit and then the really of caloric deficit and then the really scary thing is when you start doing ice scary thing is when you start doing ice scary thing is when you start doing ice baths and you go to the gym and use the baths and you go to the gym and use the baths and you go to the gym and use the in-body scanner or one of these you know in-body scanner or one of these you know in-body scanner or one of these you know impedance devices and it sends a current impedance devices and it sends a current impedance devices and it sends a current through your arms and your feet to through your arms and your feet to through your arms and your feet to measure your body composition measure your body composition measure your body composition you will notice a big jump in your body you will notice a big jump in your body you will notice a big jump in your body fat composition and a loss of lean mass fat composition and a loss of lean mass fat composition and a loss of lean mass and then you will write me an email and and then you will write me an email and and then you will write me an email and say what the heck is going on because I say what the heck is going on because I say what the heck is going on because I feel great I look great how can I feel great I look great how can I feel great I look great how can I possibly put on four pounds of fat in possibly put on four pounds of fat in possibly put on four pounds of fat in the last two weeks and the answer is the
52:00the last two weeks and the answer is the the last two weeks and the answer is the electrical impedance meter is not electrical impedance meter is not electrical impedance meter is not calibrated for brown fat when you add calibrated for brown fat when you add calibrated for brown fat when you add Brown fat around your clavicles and your Brown fat around your clavicles and your Brown fat around your clavicles and your shoulder blades you are messing with the shoulder blades you are messing with the shoulder blades you are messing with the body fat scanner relax body fat scanner relax body fat scanner relax they're calibrating it for the people they're calibrating it for the people they're calibrating it for the people the 95 percent of people who have no the 95 percent of people who have no the 95 percent of people who have no detectable Brown fat left so you'll see detectable Brown fat left so you'll see detectable Brown fat left so you'll see an adjustment don't worry about the an adjustment don't worry about the an adjustment don't worry about the absolute numbers anymore you can pay absolute numbers anymore you can pay absolute numbers anymore you can pay attention to the direction but I've attention to the direction but I've attention to the direction but I've heard from a number of people including heard from a number of people including heard from a number of people including myself who see a hop when they recruit myself who see a hop when they recruit myself who see a hop when they recruit Brown fat they become cold acclimated Brown fat they become cold acclimated Brown fat they become cold acclimated and their body scanner results get and their body scanner results get and their body scanner results get messed up that is so interesting I've messed up that is so interesting I've messed up that is so interesting I've never heard that before that makes a lot never heard that before that makes a lot never heard that before that makes a lot of sense though it does I don't have any of sense though it does I don't have any of sense though it does I don't have any data on dexa scans or more sophisticated data on dexa scans or more sophisticated data on dexa scans or more sophisticated and I really want some just having and I really want some just having and I really want some just having around to getting it that's cool I mean around to getting it that's cool I mean around to getting it that's cool I mean it seems like we're at the precipice of it seems like we're at the precipice of it seems like we're at the precipice of a whole new wave of science when it a whole new wave of science when it a whole new wave of science when it comes to understanding how this comes to understanding how this comes to understanding how this physiology works I remember some of the physiology works I remember some of the physiology works I remember some of the early studies you know you mentioned early studies you know you mentioned early studies you know you mentioned Japan there's some in Quebec where they Japan there's some in Quebec where they Japan there's some in Quebec where they put vests on people but now it's like put vests on people but now it's like put vests on people but now it's like this cold swimming cold immersions is this cold swimming cold immersions is this cold swimming cold immersions is really kind of taken off which is really kind of taken off which is really kind of taken off which is fascinating but so let's kind of wrap up
53:00fascinating but so let's kind of wrap up fascinating but so let's kind of wrap up with best practices you know I've am of with best practices you know I've am of with best practices you know I've am of the belief look at the Circadian rhythm the belief look at the Circadian rhythm the belief look at the Circadian rhythm changes in temperature that the morning changes in temperature that the morning changes in temperature that the morning seems like a good time that's when the seems like a good time that's when the seems like a good time that's when the body's coolest to help entrain that body's coolest to help entrain that body's coolest to help entrain that however I like to your point that you however I like to your point that you however I like to your point that you just mentioned maybe a cold plunge just mentioned maybe a cold plunge just mentioned maybe a cold plunge before bed is helpful for sleep so what before bed is helpful for sleep so what before bed is helpful for sleep so what what do you what have you heard from what do you what have you heard from what do you what have you heard from people in your own experience you know people in your own experience you know people in your own experience you know internally with morozco Forge is best internally with morozco Forge is best internally with morozco Forge is best for just feeling good reducing for just feeling good reducing for just feeling good reducing inflammatory joint issues uh or all that inflammatory joint issues uh or all that inflammatory joint issues uh or all that what's that anytime is better than no what's that anytime is better than no what's that anytime is better than no time the difference between zero and a time the difference between zero and a time the difference between zero and a little bit is tremendous it's just like little bit is tremendous it's just like little bit is tremendous it's just like exercise exercise exercise um and after that it seems like personal um and after that it seems like personal um and after that it seems like personal preferences are a big deal for me I got preferences are a big deal for me I got preferences are a big deal for me I got my Morosco on the east side of my my Morosco on the east side of my my Morosco on the east side of my apartment and you know I live up in this apartment and you know I live up in this apartment and you know I live up in this high rise and it's on the balcony so I high rise and it's on the balcony so I high rise and it's on the balcony so I have this tiny little ice bath but have this tiny little ice bath but have this tiny little ice bath but that's where the sun comes up and I want that's where the sun comes up and I want that's where the sun comes up and I want to get the sun in my eyes because I'm I to get the sun in my eyes because I'm I to get the sun in my eyes because I'm I don't know I follow Cruz or huberman don't know I follow Cruz or huberman don't know I follow Cruz or huberman whoever tells me that's a really good whoever tells me that's a really good whoever tells me that's a really good thing for me I like the dawn I like
54:00thing for me I like the dawn I like thing for me I like the dawn I like starting my day with something hard and starting my day with something hard and starting my day with something hard and I feel this sense of accomplishment but I feel this sense of accomplishment but I feel this sense of accomplishment but I have a friend I have a friend I have a friend um Brian call lives in Hood River Oregon um Brian call lives in Hood River Oregon um Brian call lives in Hood River Oregon and you know he came to visit me and he and you know he came to visit me and he and you know he came to visit me and he went in nine o'clock at night and I said went in nine o'clock at night and I said went in nine o'clock at night and I said how can you possibly sleep after because how can you possibly sleep after because how can you possibly sleep after because I feel so activated after the ice bath I feel so activated after the ice bath I feel so activated after the ice bath it would take me hours to get to sleep it would take me hours to get to sleep it would take me hours to get to sleep he goes I sleep like a baby you know he he goes I sleep like a baby you know he he goes I sleep like a baby you know he had a aura ring and he gets feedback on had a aura ring and he gets feedback on had a aura ring and he gets feedback on his sleep for him evening Works a little his sleep for him evening Works a little his sleep for him evening Works a little better and I suppose people have better and I suppose people have better and I suppose people have different they talk about night owls different they talk about night owls different they talk about night owls yeah exactly I don't know yeah exactly I don't know yeah exactly I don't know um however um however um however two to four minutes that's all I do uh I two to four minutes that's all I do uh I two to four minutes that's all I do uh I want to feel the anxiety I want to feel want to feel the anxiety I want to feel want to feel the anxiety I want to feel the fight or flight I'm not trying to the fight or flight I'm not trying to the fight or flight I'm not trying to beat Jocko or Joe Rogan or set any beat Jocko or Joe Rogan or set any beat Jocko or Joe Rogan or set any records and I do get bored after I records and I do get bored after I records and I do get bored after I structure my breathing I do some counter structure my breathing I do some counter structure my breathing I do some counter exercise or counting exercises in my exercise or counting exercises in my exercise or counting exercises in my head I'll check in with different parts
55:00head I'll check in with different parts head I'll check in with different parts of my body and then it'll be three of my body and then it'll be three of my body and then it'll be three minutes and I'm like don't I have a minutes and I'm like don't I have a minutes and I'm like don't I have a journal article to write you know and journal article to write you know and journal article to write you know and the whole list of things uh so every day the whole list of things uh so every day the whole list of things uh so every day two to four minutes other people they two to four minutes other people they two to four minutes other people they want to go longer they'll do four or want to go longer they'll do four or want to go longer they'll do four or five my girlfriend feels like if she's five my girlfriend feels like if she's five my girlfriend feels like if she's not doing four minutes you know then not doing four minutes you know then not doing four minutes you know then what did she even bother she times it what did she even bother she times it what did she even bother she times it with a song she'll pick one she'll play with a song she'll pick one she'll play with a song she'll pick one she'll play it and she's not getting out until the it and she's not getting out until the it and she's not getting out until the song is done so I'm not recommending you song is done so I'm not recommending you song is done so I'm not recommending you know Purple Rain or anything know Purple Rain or anything know Purple Rain or anything um but play a pop song if uh that's how um but play a pop song if uh that's how um but play a pop song if uh that's how you want to time it you want to time it you want to time it the study out of Denmark that Susanna the study out of Denmark that Susanna the study out of Denmark that Susanna soberg did she took a look at the you soberg did she took a look at the you soberg did she took a look at the you know these Danes they go in the Fjord know these Danes they go in the Fjord know these Danes they go in the Fjord and they do winter swimming and stuff and they do winter swimming and stuff and they do winter swimming and stuff they reported to her an average of 11 they reported to her an average of 11 they reported to her an average of 11 minutes a week minutes a week minutes a week we don't really know what the minimum we don't really know what the minimum we don't really know what the minimum effective dose is all we know is that if effective dose is all we know is that if effective dose is all we know is that if you're getting 11 minutes a week that you're getting 11 minutes a week that you're getting 11 minutes a week that was enough to keep the brown fat working was enough to keep the brown fat working was enough to keep the brown fat working in this study so it could be you do two
56:00in this study so it could be you do two in this study so it could be you do two ice baths each one a week each one five ice baths each one a week each one five ice baths each one a week each one five minutes maybe that's good I do the more minutes maybe that's good I do the more minutes maybe that's good I do the more frequently and a little shorter me too frequently and a little shorter me too frequently and a little shorter me too but I do think that is nice for people but I do think that is nice for people but I do think that is nice for people that maybe that maybe that maybe um don't have the availability or or um don't have the availability or or um don't have the availability or or whatever don't want to do it every day whatever don't want to do it every day whatever don't want to do it every day but that that I was surprised by that but that that I was surprised by that but that that I was surprised by that the minimum effective dose of the 11 the minimum effective dose of the 11 the minimum effective dose of the 11 minutes throughout the week that's and minutes throughout the week that's and minutes throughout the week that's and there was just another study one five there was just another study one five there was just another study one five minute session changed they looked at minute session changed they looked at minute session changed they looked at FMF MRI changes within the brain and FMF MRI changes within the brain and FMF MRI changes within the brain and emotional regulation so it's like wow emotional regulation so it's like wow emotional regulation so it's like wow you don't need to do the 20 minute thing you don't need to do the 20 minute thing you don't need to do the 20 minute thing so I think that's I agree that's really so I think that's I agree that's really so I think that's I agree that's really cool I saw that um you were summarizing cool I saw that um you were summarizing cool I saw that um you were summarizing that study came out in January that study came out in January that study came out in January everything in Psychology is about everything in Psychology is about everything in Psychology is about subjective self-report oh how do you subjective self-report oh how do you subjective self-report oh how do you feel I feel sad I feel depressed there feel I feel sad I feel depressed there feel I feel sad I feel depressed there are no objective science and Chris are no objective science and Chris are no objective science and Chris Palmer's book Brain energy is really Palmer's book Brain energy is really Palmer's book Brain energy is really good on this where he says signs are good on this where he says signs are good on this where he says signs are third party verifiable objective third party verifiable objective third party verifiable objective measures symptoms are subjective
57:00measures symptoms are subjective measures symptoms are subjective self-reports and psychology relies self-reports and psychology relies self-reports and psychology relies almost exclusively on symptoms but almost exclusively on symptoms but almost exclusively on symptoms but metabolism you can use science so this metabolism you can use science so this metabolism you can use science so this January paper with the fmri they ask January paper with the fmri they ask January paper with the fmri they ask people how do you feel after cold people how do you feel after cold people how do you feel after cold experience I feel great but then they experience I feel great but then they experience I feel great but then they put the fmri to see if the activity in put the fmri to see if the activity in put the fmri to see if the activity in their brain corresponded to the feelings their brain corresponded to the feelings their brain corresponded to the feelings that they were reporting sure enough it that they were reporting sure enough it that they were reporting sure enough it did so here's an unpublished bit of uh did so here's an unpublished bit of uh did so here's an unpublished bit of uh data that Joe daturi uh showed me and he data that Joe daturi uh showed me and he data that Joe daturi uh showed me and he says it's okay for me to share he's says it's okay for me to share he's says it's okay for me to share he's using an EEG and the EEG that he's using using an EEG and the EEG that he's using using an EEG and the EEG that he's using very high resolution research equipment very high resolution research equipment very high resolution research equipment you have to remain perfectly still to you have to remain perfectly still to you have to remain perfectly still to get good steady results and he's got to get good steady results and he's got to get good steady results and he's got to accumulate data over something like a accumulate data over something like a accumulate data over something like a minimum three minutes minimum three minutes minimum three minutes so he puts the EEG on when they're warm so he puts the EEG on when they're warm so he puts the EEG on when they're warm and dry then they get in the Morosco and and dry then they get in the Morosco and and dry then they get in the Morosco and they're cold and wet but he needs they're cold and wet but he needs they're cold and wet but he needs experienced subjects so of course he experienced subjects so of course he experienced subjects so of course he starts for himself starts for himself starts for himself he says time lit up the phase lag which
58:00he says time lit up the phase lag which he says time lit up the phase lag which is a measure of how long it takes for is a measure of how long it takes for is a measure of how long it takes for one part of the brain to communicate one part of the brain to communicate one part of the brain to communicate with another goes way down and his with another goes way down and his with another goes way down and his coherence which is the different coherence which is the different coherence which is the different sections of the brain that are sections of the brain that are sections of the brain that are communicating with her goes way up and communicating with her goes way up and communicating with her goes way up and the graphical depiction of the data is the graphical depiction of the data is the graphical depiction of the data is extraordinary he hasn't published this extraordinary he hasn't published this extraordinary he hasn't published this because he's got two people who are because he's got two people who are because he's got two people who are practiced enough to be that still but practiced enough to be that still but practiced enough to be that still but I'm gonna see him soon and we're going I'm gonna see him soon and we're going I'm gonna see him soon and we're going to talk about how can we get lower res to talk about how can we get lower res to talk about how can we get lower res data if the signal is so strong we ought data if the signal is so strong we ought data if the signal is so strong we ought to be able to do it even if it's a lower to be able to do it even if it's a lower to be able to do it even if it's a lower res here's why he cares he was in a car res here's why he cares he was in a car res here's why he cares he was in a car wreck that injured his brain and he wreck that injured his brain and he wreck that injured his brain and he retooled his scientific career he spent retooled his scientific career he spent retooled his scientific career he spent like 28 years as a Navy diver then he like 28 years as a Navy diver then he like 28 years as a Navy diver then he got his Doctorate now he's a scientist got his Doctorate now he's a scientist got his Doctorate now he's a scientist he retooled his scientific career around he retooled his scientific career around he retooled his scientific career around healing traumatic brain injury healing traumatic brain injury healing traumatic brain injury Hyperbaric and cold exposure is what Hyperbaric and cold exposure is what Hyperbaric and cold exposure is what he's using now he says if I can get this he's using now he says if I can get this he's using now he says if I can get this kind of activity in the ice bath where kind of activity in the ice bath where kind of activity in the ice bath where my brain is talking and it's doing it so my brain is talking and it's doing it so my brain is talking and it's doing it so fast fast fast I wonder if it will accelerate the
59:00I wonder if it will accelerate the I wonder if it will accelerate the recovery from my traumatic brain injury recovery from my traumatic brain injury recovery from my traumatic brain injury we don't know we don't know we don't know so the question I mean we're talking so the question I mean we're talking so the question I mean we're talking about protocols Do you want to build T about protocols Do you want to build T about protocols Do you want to build T do you want to remodel your fat are you do you want to remodel your fat are you do you want to remodel your fat are you working on cognitive benefits working on cognitive benefits working on cognitive benefits and here's a new one that I got this is and here's a new one that I got this is and here's a new one that I got this is like two days ago I got a message from like two days ago I got a message from like two days ago I got a message from an opera singer who says that he's using an opera singer who says that he's using an opera singer who says that he's using the ice bath to help him memorize his the ice bath to help him memorize his the ice bath to help him memorize his Opera and it's not just the lyrics he Opera and it's not just the lyrics he Opera and it's not just the lyrics he goes it's the translation it's the goes it's the translation it's the goes it's the translation it's the blocking and it's ever it's the blocking and it's ever it's the blocking and it's ever it's the direction that he's got to get he goes direction that he's got to get he goes direction that he's got to get he goes through his practice session and then he through his practice session and then he through his practice session and then he does like three minutes in his freezer does like three minutes in his freezer does like three minutes in his freezer and he goes my memory is so much better and he goes my memory is so much better and he goes my memory is so much better it's shortened the sessions that I need it's shortened the sessions that I need it's shortened the sessions that I need to memorize the whole performance well to memorize the whole performance well to memorize the whole performance well how does this happen he goes well I read how does this happen he goes well I read how does this happen he goes well I read something about trauma and memory he something about trauma and memory he something about trauma and memory he goes I remember everything that happened goes I remember everything that happened goes I remember everything that happened to be the day I was in a car wreck in to be the day I was in a car wreck in to be the day I was in a car wreck in college but I remember everything that college but I remember everything that college but I remember everything that happened before the car wreck I remember happened before the car wreck I remember happened before the car wreck I remember everything that happened before I found everything that happened before I found everything that happened before I found out about 9 11. out about 9 11. out about 9 11. so I had to go look it up
1:00so I had to go look it up so I had to go look it up there is something this goes back to there is something this goes back to there is something this goes back to Sealy and Trauma we are hardwired to Sealy and Trauma we are hardwired to Sealy and Trauma we are hardwired to consolidate short-term memory into Vivid consolidate short-term memory into Vivid consolidate short-term memory into Vivid long-term memory when we experience long-term memory when we experience long-term memory when we experience emotional arousal it doesn't have to be emotional arousal it doesn't have to be emotional arousal it doesn't have to be trauma it could be surprised but it trauma it could be surprised but it trauma it could be surprised but it could be anything exciting I remember my could be anything exciting I remember my could be anything exciting I remember my first kiss and I remember what it was first kiss and I remember what it was first kiss and I remember what it was like right before my first kiss because like right before my first kiss because like right before my first kiss because that level of emotional arousal causes that level of emotional arousal causes that level of emotional arousal causes our brain to write everything from short our brain to write everything from short our brain to write everything from short term into long term why because you need term into long term why because you need term into long term why because you need to know evolutionarily you're like okay to know evolutionarily you're like okay to know evolutionarily you're like okay what happened right before the bear what happened right before the bear what happened right before the bear attack like what happened right before attack like what happened right before attack like what happened right before the traumatic what happened right before the traumatic what happened right before the traumatic what happened right before we found the blueberries or whatever it we found the blueberries or whatever it we found the blueberries or whatever it was so the protocols and I'll write was so the protocols and I'll write was so the protocols and I'll write about this in my book when I finish it about this in my book when I finish it about this in my book when I finish it the protocols are what are you working the protocols are what are you working the protocols are what are you working on if it's going to be T then the on if it's going to be T then the on if it's going to be T then the protocol is do two minutes in the ice protocol is do two minutes in the ice protocol is do two minutes in the ice bath do some light exercise if it's bath do some light exercise if it's bath do some light exercise if it's going to be you're studying and you'd
1:01going to be you're studying and you'd going to be you're studying and you'd rather use cold exposure than Ritalin rather use cold exposure than Ritalin rather use cold exposure than Ritalin then you're gonna have your study then you're gonna have your study then you're gonna have your study session and then do your two minutes in session and then do your two minutes in session and then do your two minutes in the ice bath it is amazingly flexible the ice bath it is amazingly flexible the ice bath it is amazingly flexible that is so awesome and then what about that is so awesome and then what about that is so awesome and then what about for the trauma is there any different in for the trauma is there any different in for the trauma is there any different in the protocol there for that yeah and I'm the protocol there for that yeah and I'm the protocol there for that yeah and I'm glad you brought it up because one of glad you brought it up because one of glad you brought it up because one of the questions I get a lot is to shiver the questions I get a lot is to shiver the questions I get a lot is to shiver or not to shiver or not to shiver or not to shiver and if you're you know there's a lot on and if you're you know there's a lot on and if you're you know there's a lot on weight loss huberman talks about this weight loss huberman talks about this weight loss huberman talks about this and um you really want to drive the and um you really want to drive the and um you really want to drive the energy expenditure and I don't buy it energy expenditure and I don't buy it energy expenditure and I don't buy it and I don't want to debate it I don't and I don't want to debate it I don't and I don't want to debate it I don't want to contradict him because if it's want to contradict him because if it's want to contradict him because if it's working for people uh keep working working for people uh keep working working for people uh keep working the I don't shiver so much in the ice the I don't shiver so much in the ice the I don't shiver so much in the ice bath for a thermogenesis I shiver when bath for a thermogenesis I shiver when bath for a thermogenesis I shiver when I'm anxious about something if I'm anxious about something if I'm anxious about something if um um um I don't know having a fight with my I don't know having a fight with my I don't know having a fight with my girlfriend or I'm worried about sales in girlfriend or I'm worried about sales in girlfriend or I'm worried about sales in Morosco or the department chair at ASU Morosco or the department chair at ASU Morosco or the department chair at ASU is coming down on me for something that is coming down on me for something that is coming down on me for something that I did wrong and some form that I filled I did wrong and some form that I filled I did wrong and some form that I filled out which is every other week by the way out which is every other week by the way out which is every other week by the way then I'll get in the ice bath and the
1:02then I'll get in the ice bath and the then I'll get in the ice bath and the Shivering can start like right away and Shivering can start like right away and Shivering can start like right away and it's not shivering for thermogenesis it's not shivering for thermogenesis it's not shivering for thermogenesis it's shivering for nervous system it's shivering for nervous system it's shivering for nervous system release release release something else different to work on in something else different to work on in something else different to work on in the ice path sometimes I'll get reports the ice path sometimes I'll get reports the ice path sometimes I'll get reports from people who say I don't know what from people who say I don't know what from people who say I don't know what happened but I got in this morning I happened but I got in this morning I happened but I got in this morning I started crying and I don't know why started crying and I don't know why started crying and I don't know why well there's something going on in your well there's something going on in your well there's something going on in your life it can bring on a lot of feelings life it can bring on a lot of feelings life it can bring on a lot of feelings and it is okay in Psychology there's a and it is okay in Psychology there's a and it is okay in Psychology there's a term called trembling trembling and term called trembling trembling and term called trembling trembling and shivering I don't know how to shivering I don't know how to shivering I don't know how to distinguish these but one of them is distinguish these but one of them is distinguish these but one of them is post-operative so after brain surgery post-operative so after brain surgery post-operative so after brain surgery the patient will begin trembling when the patient will begin trembling when the patient will begin trembling when they come out of anesthesia and they they come out of anesthesia and they they come out of anesthesia and they used to think it was because they go used to think it was because they go used to think it was because they go into a hypothermic State it's not it's into a hypothermic State it's not it's into a hypothermic State it's not it's because the brain has been traumatized because the brain has been traumatized because the brain has been traumatized and their nervous system is releasing and their nervous system is releasing and their nervous system is releasing the trauma via trembling the trauma via trembling the trauma via trembling Peter Levine writes about this quite a Peter Levine writes about this quite a Peter Levine writes about this quite a bit an unspoken voice is a good book and bit an unspoken voice is a good book and bit an unspoken voice is a good book and waking the Tiger in one of these books waking the Tiger in one of these books waking the Tiger in one of these books he talks about when he was hit by a car he talks about when he was hit by a car he talks about when he was hit by a car he did not lose Consciousness but he's
1:03he did not lose Consciousness but he's he did not lose Consciousness but he's on the pavement and he's immobilized on the pavement and he's immobilized on the pavement and he's immobilized PTSD is unresolved stress PTSD is unresolved stress PTSD is unresolved stress not all stress is trauma trauma is when not all stress is trauma trauma is when not all stress is trauma trauma is when the stress doesn't have a release or a the stress doesn't have a release or a the stress doesn't have a release or a resolution and immobilizing the patient resolution and immobilizing the patient resolution and immobilizing the patient is one of the reasons that the dentist is one of the reasons that the dentist is one of the reasons that the dentist chair is so difficult because you have chair is so difficult because you have chair is so difficult because you have to stay still like you're strapped down to stay still like you're strapped down to stay still like you're strapped down while they're drilling your teeth and it while they're drilling your teeth and it while they're drilling your teeth and it can traumatize a child because they the can traumatize a child because they the can traumatize a child because they the stress has nowhere to go stress has nowhere to go stress has nowhere to go so Levine he's been hit by the car and so Levine he's been hit by the car and so Levine he's been hit by the car and he begins to tremble an off-duty he begins to tremble an off-duty he begins to tremble an off-duty paramedic finds him and wants to stop paramedic finds him and wants to stop paramedic finds him and wants to stop the trembling and reveals like just the trembling and reveals like just the trembling and reveals like just leave me alone because he knows that the leave me alone because he knows that the leave me alone because he knows that the trembling will release the stress from trembling will release the stress from trembling will release the stress from his nervous system and he will not his nervous system and he will not his nervous system and he will not suffer PTSD sure enough his heart rate suffer PTSD sure enough his heart rate suffer PTSD sure enough his heart rate came back came down his blood pressure came back came down his blood pressure came back came down his blood pressure stabilized while he was in the ambulance stabilized while he was in the ambulance stabilized while he was in the ambulance and he had confidence that he wasn't and he had confidence that he wasn't and he had confidence that he wasn't going to be traumatized by the event going to be traumatized by the event going to be traumatized by the event even though it was stressful when I get even though it was stressful when I get even though it was stressful when I get into the ice bath and I'm riddled with
1:04into the ice bath and I'm riddled with into the ice bath and I'm riddled with my anxieties I will sometimes bring the my anxieties I will sometimes bring the my anxieties I will sometimes bring the shiver on just to let those anxieties go shiver on just to let those anxieties go shiver on just to let those anxieties go and I would encourage other people to and I would encourage other people to and I would encourage other people to try that as well yeah that is so amazing try that as well yeah that is so amazing try that as well yeah that is so amazing I actually had a stressful uh day last I actually had a stressful uh day last I actually had a stressful uh day last Tuesday when I was traveling in Idaho Tuesday when I was traveling in Idaho Tuesday when I was traveling in Idaho and I didn't know how I didn't have my and I didn't know how I didn't have my and I didn't know how I didn't have my roseco I wasn't here and so I went and roseco I wasn't here and so I went and roseco I wasn't here and so I went and they had a lot of rain and Glacier melt they had a lot of rain and Glacier melt they had a lot of rain and Glacier melt and all that so I went in the river and and all that so I went in the river and and all that so I went in the river and just and I I started to shiver really I just and I I started to shiver really I just and I I started to shiver really I saw that post you posted it right yeah saw that post you posted it right yeah saw that post you posted it right yeah but I I was like I need to release I but I I was like I need to release I but I I was like I need to release I don't have access to a gym I'm out in don't have access to a gym I'm out in don't have access to a gym I'm out in the woods I'm like what can I do did the woods I'm like what can I do did the woods I'm like what can I do did some breath work jumped in and I felt so some breath work jumped in and I felt so some breath work jumped in and I felt so much better afterwards but yeah I was much better afterwards but yeah I was much better afterwards but yeah I was like shivering right away but I wasn't like shivering right away but I wasn't like shivering right away but I wasn't aware of all the the backstory that you aware of all the the backstory that you aware of all the the backstory that you just mentioned there so I think you know just mentioned there so I think you know just mentioned there so I think you know another tool that I do if I want to another tool that I do if I want to another tool that I do if I want to induce the Shivers I'll start moving my induce the Shivers I'll start moving my induce the Shivers I'll start moving my legs in the rose gold you know just like legs in the rose gold you know just like legs in the rose gold you know just like that thermal layer that's on the skin that thermal layer that's on the skin that thermal layer that's on the skin and just that gets you colder faster I and just that gets you colder faster I and just that gets you colder faster I guess that would be more of a tactic guess that would be more of a tactic guess that would be more of a tactic that's Advanced for people but there is that's Advanced for people but there is that's Advanced for people but there is a study that shows people can suppress a study that shows people can suppress a study that shows people can suppress their shivering response shivering gives
1:05their shivering response shivering gives their shivering response shivering gives you great biofeedback and so you can put you great biofeedback and so you can put you great biofeedback and so you can put yourself in one state of mind that we yourself in one state of mind that we yourself in one state of mind that we either postpone cold thermogen either postpone cold thermogen either postpone cold thermogen non-shivering uh non-shivering uh non-shivering uh people who are not cold acclimated in people who are not cold acclimated in people who are not cold acclimated in this study so they they're not using this study so they they're not using this study so they they're not using non-shivering cold thermogenesis because non-shivering cold thermogenesis because non-shivering cold thermogenesis because they have a lot of brown fat but they they have a lot of brown fat but they they have a lot of brown fat but they can postpone their muscle shivering just can postpone their muscle shivering just can postpone their muscle shivering just using their mind and the more practice using their mind and the more practice using their mind and the more practice they get the better they are at it and I they get the better they are at it and I they get the better they are at it and I can relate because I can bring this can relate because I can bring this can relate because I can bring this shivering on or I can delay that shivering on or I can delay that shivering on or I can delay that suppress the Shivering with my mind and suppress the Shivering with my mind and suppress the Shivering with my mind and I like kind of playing tricks like that I like kind of playing tricks like that I like kind of playing tricks like that but mostly I'll get an email and uh I but mostly I'll get an email and uh I but mostly I'll get an email and uh I was like I gotta Force this one out you was like I gotta Force this one out you was like I gotta Force this one out you know yeah that's so awesome right to be know yeah that's so awesome right to be know yeah that's so awesome right to be able to have these it's a lot better able to have these it's a lot better able to have these it's a lot better than alcohol or smoking or drugs I got a than alcohol or smoking or drugs I got a than alcohol or smoking or drugs I got a DM from a woman the other day DM from a woman the other day DM from a woman the other day um and I was really nervous about this um and I was really nervous about this um and I was really nervous about this one because she contacted me a month ago one because she contacted me a month ago one because she contacted me a month ago and her husband suffers PTSD she was and her husband suffers PTSD she was and her husband suffers PTSD she was really worried he was using alcohol to really worried he was using alcohol to really worried he was using alcohol to numb his feelings numb his feelings numb his feelings some people think alcohol is the problem some people think alcohol is the problem some people think alcohol is the problem but a lot of people turn to it looking
1:06but a lot of people turn to it looking but a lot of people turn to it looking for a solution and that would seemed to for a solution and that would seemed to for a solution and that would seemed to me like that was the case she wanted to me like that was the case she wanted to me like that was the case she wanted to encourage him to use cold exposure I was encourage him to use cold exposure I was encourage him to use cold exposure I was like look it's got to be of his own like look it's got to be of his own like look it's got to be of his own volition especially if this is a PTSD volition especially if this is a PTSD volition especially if this is a PTSD situation situation situation she promised me that she wasn't going to she promised me that she wasn't going to she promised me that she wasn't going to convert a coercim or shame him or bully convert a coercim or shame him or bully convert a coercim or shame him or bully him into doing it so I got this DM I was him into doing it so I got this DM I was him into doing it so I got this DM I was like oh like oh like oh she said he's been doing it for a month she said he's been doing it for a month she said he's been doing it for a month they do it together they do it together they do it together he's been alcohol three for three weeks he's been alcohol three for three weeks he's been alcohol three for three weeks he's sleeping great and this is helping he's sleeping great and this is helping he's sleeping great and this is helping him manage all the emotions that he used him manage all the emotions that he used him manage all the emotions that he used to try and avoid by numbing himself she to try and avoid by numbing himself she to try and avoid by numbing himself she you know couldn't thank me enough for you know couldn't thank me enough for you know couldn't thank me enough for putting this knowledge out there and I'm putting this knowledge out there and I'm putting this knowledge out there and I'm thinking he's just at the beginning and thinking he's just at the beginning and thinking he's just at the beginning and I'm so happy that they're doing it I'm so happy that they're doing it I'm so happy that they're doing it together that's cool because when I do together that's cool because when I do together that's cool because when I do it with my girlfriend it brings us it with my girlfriend it brings us it with my girlfriend it brings us closer it brings up the dopamine it closer it brings up the dopamine it closer it brings up the dopamine it brings up you know for me the brings up you know for me the brings up you know for me the testosterone and now I know that it's testosterone and now I know that it's testosterone and now I know that it's bringing up for her too which is great bringing up for her too which is great bringing up for her too which is great because that's the lust hormone it because that's the lust hormone it because that's the lust hormone it brings up the oxytocin and the
1:07brings up the oxytocin and the brings up the oxytocin and the vasopressin that create a bonding vasopressin that create a bonding vasopressin that create a bonding experience it's a wonderful thing for a experience it's a wonderful thing for a experience it's a wonderful thing for a couple to do that's amazing couple to do that's amazing couple to do that's amazing I love that okay so let's wrap up with I love that okay so let's wrap up with I love that okay so let's wrap up with what is the difference the main what is the difference the main what is the difference the main difference there's a lot of products out difference there's a lot of products out difference there's a lot of products out there for folks uh I'm biased I own the there for folks uh I'm biased I own the there for folks uh I'm biased I own the Roscoe Forge I really like it the Roscoe Forge I really like it the Roscoe Forge I really like it the filtration it actually makes ice which filtration it actually makes ice which filtration it actually makes ice which is great is great is great um there's all sorts of other products um there's all sorts of other products um there's all sorts of other products out there how would you position and out there how would you position and out there how would you position and what are the advantages for people there what are the advantages for people there what are the advantages for people there are three things that are important when are three things that are important when are three things that are important when you're gonna spend a lot of money on an you're gonna spend a lot of money on an you're gonna spend a lot of money on an ice bath ice bath ice bath um the first thing is temperature now um the first thing is temperature now um the first thing is temperature now that's not the most important but it's that's not the most important but it's that's not the most important but it's the first thing because it's an ice bath the first thing because it's an ice bath the first thing because it's an ice bath does it make ice if what you're working does it make ice if what you're working does it make ice if what you're working on is metabolism you don't need ice on is metabolism you don't need ice on is metabolism you don't need ice I need ice because I'm working on I need ice because I'm working on I need ice because I'm working on scaring myself and if I don't see chunks scaring myself and if I don't see chunks scaring myself and if I don't see chunks of ice then of ice then of ice then I know it's not cold enough to scare me I know it's not cold enough to scare me I know it's not cold enough to scare me so the first thing is temperature the so the first thing is temperature the so the first thing is temperature the second thing is is it grounded when second thing is is it grounded when second thing is is it grounded when you're in Idaho and you're getting in you're in Idaho and you're getting in you're in Idaho and you're getting in the natural stream you're not just the natural stream you're not just the natural stream you're not just getting the benefit of the temperature getting the benefit of the temperature getting the benefit of the temperature or the hydrotherapy you're getting
1:08or the hydrotherapy you're getting or the hydrotherapy you're getting grounding therapy you know that um you grounding therapy you know that um you grounding therapy you know that um you take your shoes off you walk around in take your shoes off you walk around in take your shoes off you walk around in the grass 20 25 minutes later you're the grass 20 25 minutes later you're the grass 20 25 minutes later you're going to discharge all that static going to discharge all that static going to discharge all that static electricity in your body and you're electricity in your body and you're electricity in your body and you're going to be electrically connected to going to be electrically connected to going to be electrically connected to the Earth there are a lot of great the Earth there are a lot of great the Earth there are a lot of great benefits of that it changes what's benefits of that it changes what's benefits of that it changes what's called Zeta potential in your blood called Zeta potential in your blood called Zeta potential in your blood cells it changes the tendency of your cells it changes the tendency of your cells it changes the tendency of your blood cells to coagulate so it can blood cells to coagulate so it can blood cells to coagulate so it can reduce the risk of stroke or other uh reduce the risk of stroke or other uh reduce the risk of stroke or other uh medical incidents that are associated medical incidents that are associated medical incidents that are associated with blood clots heart attack deep vein with blood clots heart attack deep vein with blood clots heart attack deep vein thrombosis crowning is great for your thrombosis crowning is great for your thrombosis crowning is great for your circulatory system it's also great for circulatory system it's also great for circulatory system it's also great for your psychology your psychology your psychology however you don't get it in your bathtub however you don't get it in your bathtub however you don't get it in your bathtub when your bathtub is made of acrylic you when your bathtub is made of acrylic you when your bathtub is made of acrylic you don't get it in a cold shower when don't get it in a cold shower when don't get it in a cold shower when you've like inflated an ice bath or you you've like inflated an ice bath or you you've like inflated an ice bath or you bought a Rubbermaid or you know whatever bought a Rubbermaid or you know whatever bought a Rubbermaid or you know whatever it is none of these things are grounded it is none of these things are grounded it is none of these things are grounded it must be a metal tub to be grounded it must be a metal tub to be grounded it must be a metal tub to be grounded and not only must it be metal it must be and not only must it be metal it must be and not only must it be metal it must be electrically connected to the earth now electrically connected to the earth now electrically connected to the earth now the water which is the fastest best way
1:09the water which is the fastest best way the water which is the fastest best way to get grounded like the ocean is number to get grounded like the ocean is number to get grounded like the ocean is number one when the tub is grounded now you're one when the tub is grounded now you're one when the tub is grounded now you're stacking your benefits you're getting stacking your benefits you're getting stacking your benefits you're getting the grounding benefit that your body is the grounding benefit that your body is the grounding benefit that your body is expecting when you're doing the ice bath expecting when you're doing the ice bath expecting when you're doing the ice bath the third thing is water treatment what the third thing is water treatment what the third thing is water treatment what kind of filtration and disinfection kind of filtration and disinfection kind of filtration and disinfection system does it have marasco uses ozone system does it have marasco uses ozone system does it have marasco uses ozone and it does that because when I was in and it does that because when I was in and it does that because when I was in grad school for environmental grad school for environmental grad school for environmental engineering I was surrounded by I wasn't engineering I was surrounded by I wasn't engineering I was surrounded by I wasn't working on ozone but it seemed like all working on ozone but it seemed like all working on ozone but it seemed like all my lab mates were my lab mates were my lab mates were the Europeans are way ahead of us on the Europeans are way ahead of us on the Europeans are way ahead of us on ozone in water treatment it is the most ozone in water treatment it is the most ozone in water treatment it is the most powerful disinfectant more powerful than powerful disinfectant more powerful than powerful disinfectant more powerful than chlorine and the big Advantage is it chlorine and the big Advantage is it chlorine and the big Advantage is it doesn't create chlorinated byproducts so doesn't create chlorinated byproducts so doesn't create chlorinated byproducts so it's great for water treatment the it's great for water treatment the it's great for water treatment the problem with ozone is it doesn't work at problem with ozone is it doesn't work at problem with ozone is it doesn't work at high temperatures the O3 molecule is so high temperatures the O3 molecule is so high temperatures the O3 molecule is so unstable that it'll just collapse into unstable that it'll just collapse into unstable that it'll just collapse into O2 before it really gets to do the work O2 before it really gets to do the work O2 before it really gets to do the work most ozone gen units for hot tubs are most ozone gen units for hot tubs are most ozone gen units for hot tubs are useless I tested six of them before I
1:10useless I tested six of them before I useless I tested six of them before I selected one for the forge and they selected one for the forge and they selected one for the forge and they didn't do a dang thing however the one didn't do a dang thing however the one didn't do a dang thing however the one that we use a delozone it's on our that we use a delozone it's on our that we use a delozone it's on our website website website um it works really well and at cold um it works really well and at cold um it works really well and at cold temperatures the ozone is perfect so if temperatures the ozone is perfect so if temperatures the ozone is perfect so if you're thinking about these three things you're thinking about these three things you're thinking about these three things temperature how cold does it get is it temperature how cold does it get is it temperature how cold does it get is it getting as cold as I want do I want the getting as cold as I want do I want the getting as cold as I want do I want the grounding benefit or do I have other grounding benefit or do I have other grounding benefit or do I have other ways to get grounded and then water ways to get grounded and then water ways to get grounded and then water disinfection if you're buying from a disinfection if you're buying from a disinfection if you're buying from a company that says and you only need to company that says and you only need to company that says and you only need to change the water every other day it's change the water every other day it's change the water every other day it's because their filtration sucks if you're because their filtration sucks if you're because their filtration sucks if you're buying an ice Barrel which is a less buying an ice Barrel which is a less buying an ice Barrel which is a less expensive way to and it's you know expensive way to and it's you know expensive way to and it's you know formed pretty well and a lot of people formed pretty well and a lot of people formed pretty well and a lot of people enjoy that you're gonna have to swap out enjoy that you're gonna have to swap out enjoy that you're gonna have to swap out your water the marasco is going to keep your water the marasco is going to keep your water the marasco is going to keep that water clean for you people say how that water clean for you people say how that water clean for you people say how often do I have to change it I say same often do I have to change it I say same often do I have to change it I say same frequency that you got to change the frequency that you got to change the frequency that you got to change the water in your pool which is never you water in your pool which is never you water in your pool which is never you just top it off because we we've got the just top it off because we we've got the just top it off because we we've got the same equipment that your pool uses same equipment that your pool uses same equipment that your pool uses cleaning out your water that's amazing cleaning out your water that's amazing cleaning out your water that's amazing and you like to put a lot of minerals in
1:11and you like to put a lot of minerals in and you like to put a lot of minerals in there like magnesium do and so forth there like magnesium do and so forth there like magnesium do and so forth yeah I was reading a lot about Epsom yeah I was reading a lot about Epsom yeah I was reading a lot about Epsom salt now first I put up some salt which salt now first I put up some salt which salt now first I put up some salt which is magnesium sulfate in because the ice is magnesium sulfate in because the ice is magnesium sulfate in because the ice was so dang hard I would have to get you was so dang hard I would have to get you was so dang hard I would have to get you see these videos get my steel mace out see these videos get my steel mace out see these videos get my steel mace out and I'm breaking up the Epsom salt and I'm breaking up the Epsom salt and I'm breaking up the Epsom salt softens the ice and then I'm reading the softens the ice and then I'm reading the softens the ice and then I'm reading the journal articles and half of them say journal articles and half of them say journal articles and half of them say there's no such thing as Transdermal there's no such thing as Transdermal there's no such thing as Transdermal Magnesium absorption they say that the Magnesium absorption they say that the Magnesium absorption they say that the pores are too small or they say which pores are too small or they say which pores are too small or they say which isn't true by the way the pores are isn't true by the way the pores are isn't true by the way the pores are plenty big enough for a magnesium ion to plenty big enough for a magnesium ion to plenty big enough for a magnesium ion to diffuse through them or they say well diffuse through them or they say well diffuse through them or they say well studies show that you go into the ups studies show that you go into the ups studies show that you go into the ups and bath and then we draw your blood and and bath and then we draw your blood and and bath and then we draw your blood and we don't see any boost in magnesium so we don't see any boost in magnesium so we don't see any boost in magnesium so there must be no magnesium transdermal there must be no magnesium transdermal there must be no magnesium transdermal benefit and then I was talking with my benefit and then I was talking with my benefit and then I was talking with my friend Brian call and he says Tom only friend Brian call and he says Tom only friend Brian call and he says Tom only one percent of the magnesium in your one percent of the magnesium in your one percent of the magnesium in your body is stored in your blood body is stored in your blood body is stored in your blood what he goes yeah most of it's in your what he goes yeah most of it's in your what he goes yeah most of it's in your bones some of it's in your muscles but bones some of it's in your muscles but bones some of it's in your muscles but magnesium doesn't hang out in your blood
1:12magnesium doesn't hang out in your blood magnesium doesn't hang out in your blood that's where iron goes you know that's where iron goes you know that's where iron goes you know um no magnesium mostly it's got other um no magnesium mostly it's got other um no magnesium mostly it's got other things to do it's similar to calcium and things to do it's similar to calcium and things to do it's similar to calcium and it plays a role in the body that is it plays a role in the body that is it plays a role in the body that is complementary to calcium so you store it complementary to calcium so you store it complementary to calcium so you store it in your bones and when you need it it in your bones and when you need it it in your bones and when you need it it will be released from your bones will be released from your bones will be released from your bones I'm like this is why these blood tests I'm like this is why these blood tests I'm like this is why these blood tests don't show any magnesium benefits so go don't show any magnesium benefits so go don't show any magnesium benefits so go back to the library they put people in back to the library they put people in back to the library they put people in an Epsom salt bath and then they an Epsom salt bath and then they an Epsom salt bath and then they measured magnesium in the urine and it measured magnesium in the urine and it measured magnesium in the urine and it went way up of course you're getting a went way up of course you're getting a went way up of course you're getting a magnet and it wasn't even a cold bath so magnet and it wasn't even a cold bath so magnet and it wasn't even a cold bath so I put eight pounds of Epsom salt I've I put eight pounds of Epsom salt I've I put eight pounds of Epsom salt I've experimented as high as 18 as low as experimented as high as 18 as low as experimented as high as 18 as low as four and you know I kind of settled in four and you know I kind of settled in four and you know I kind of settled in at eight pounds magnesium sulfate not at eight pounds magnesium sulfate not at eight pounds magnesium sulfate not chloride keep the chloride out of your chloride keep the chloride out of your chloride keep the chloride out of your ice bath it may interact with the ozone ice bath it may interact with the ozone ice bath it may interact with the ozone in ways that you don't want it may in ways that you don't want it may in ways that you don't want it may interact with the tub in ways that interact with the tub in ways that interact with the tub in ways that promote corrosion but sulfate is fine promote corrosion but sulfate is fine promote corrosion but sulfate is fine and then just because I'm crazy I added and then just because I'm crazy I added and then just because I'm crazy I added some potassium sulfate I added some zinc
1:13some potassium sulfate I added some zinc some potassium sulfate I added some zinc sulfate if you have a stainless tub sulfate if you have a stainless tub sulfate if you have a stainless tub which you don't by the way you can add which you don't by the way you can add which you don't by the way you can add copper but don't put any copper it will copper but don't put any copper it will copper but don't put any copper it will interact with the zinc lining and it interact with the zinc lining and it interact with the zinc lining and it will strip the galvanizing off of it and will strip the galvanizing off of it and will strip the galvanizing off of it and then you call me up and you say what am then you call me up and you say what am then you call me up and you say what am I going to do but yeah I put in Epsom I going to do but yeah I put in Epsom I going to do but yeah I put in Epsom salt I put in some potassium sulfate I salt I put in some potassium sulfate I salt I put in some potassium sulfate I put in some zinc sulfate put in some zinc sulfate put in some zinc sulfate and then I don't shower afterwards and then I don't shower afterwards and then I don't shower afterwards um yeah don't tell my girlfriend uh she um yeah don't tell my girlfriend uh she um yeah don't tell my girlfriend uh she already knows uh but the point is I want already knows uh but the point is I want already knows uh but the point is I want the salt on my body so that when I go the salt on my body so that when I go the salt on my body so that when I go out into the Phoenix heat and I begin to out into the Phoenix heat and I begin to out into the Phoenix heat and I begin to sweat and my pores open up I can still sweat and my pores open up I can still sweat and my pores open up I can still get some of that transdermal benefit I get some of that transdermal benefit I get some of that transdermal benefit I have no way of measuring this but when I have no way of measuring this but when I have no way of measuring this but when I was a kid I used to love the feeling you was a kid I used to love the feeling you was a kid I used to love the feeling you know you're at the beach all day and know you're at the beach all day and know you're at the beach all day and then you're all salty and that's the way then you're all salty and that's the way then you're all salty and that's the way I feel so it has very warm effective I feel so it has very warm effective I feel so it has very warm effective thoughts for me totally that's amazing I thoughts for me totally that's amazing I thoughts for me totally that's amazing I mean and plus it keeps the eyes soft and mean and plus it keeps the eyes soft and mean and plus it keeps the eyes soft and not these big chunks and so yeah if not these big chunks and so yeah if not these big chunks and so yeah if you're getting some magnesium I think you're getting some magnesium I think you're getting some magnesium I think that's and showering before I go in it that's and showering before I go in it that's and showering before I go in it helps keep the water clean if that's
1:14helps keep the water clean if that's helps keep the water clean if that's what you're into totally yeah that makes what you're into totally yeah that makes what you're into totally yeah that makes a lot of sense uh Tom really appreciate a lot of sense uh Tom really appreciate a lot of sense uh Tom really appreciate you coming on and sharing all this you coming on and sharing all this you coming on and sharing all this wisdom uh moroscoforge.com that's gonna wisdom uh moroscoforge.com that's gonna wisdom uh moroscoforge.com that's gonna be the website and then you're working be the website and then you're working be the website and then you're working on a book that's going to talk about the on a book that's going to talk about the on a book that's going to talk about the science of deliberate cold exposure as science of deliberate cold exposure as science of deliberate cold exposure as well as the experiences which I think well as the experiences which I think well as the experiences which I think are phenomenal and your goal to get that are phenomenal and your goal to get that are phenomenal and your goal to get that done is uh coming up pretty soon here done is uh coming up pretty soon here done is uh coming up pretty soon here fall yeah classes start in August and I fall yeah classes start in August and I fall yeah classes start in August and I want to have this thing drafted into the want to have this thing drafted into the want to have this thing drafted into the editor this gives me almost two and a editor this gives me almost two and a editor this gives me almost two and a half weeks and I'm only six of the ten half weeks and I'm only six of the ten half weeks and I'm only six of the ten chapters done so I got some more writing chapters done so I got some more writing chapters done so I got some more writing to do would you go to Morosco Ford you to do would you go to Morosco Ford you to do would you go to Morosco Ford you click on the journal Tab and you're click on the journal Tab and you're click on the journal Tab and you're going to see almost all the Articles you going to see almost all the Articles you going to see almost all the Articles you can go to Seeger TP s-e-a-g-e-r-t-p.substack.com you can s-e-a-g-e-r-t-p.substack.com you can pre-read some of the chapters I love pre-read some of the chapters I love pre-read some of the chapters I love getting the feedback because I don't getting the feedback because I don't getting the feedback because I don't really know what it reads like I've been really know what it reads like I've been really know what it reads like I've been living this stuff and telling these living this stuff and telling these living this stuff and telling these stories so when people say I didn't stories so when people say I didn't stories so when people say I didn't understand the part about where you understand the part about where you understand the part about where you skipped over Brown fat or mitochondria skipped over Brown fat or mitochondria skipped over Brown fat or mitochondria or whatever it really helps me there too or whatever it really helps me there too or whatever it really helps me there too that's awesome and then hopefully that's awesome and then hopefully that's awesome and then hopefully um you've self-published I sent this to
1:15um you've self-published I sent this to um you've self-published I sent this to the same publisher that did brain energy the same publisher that did brain energy the same publisher that did brain energy for Chris Palmer same publisher that did for Chris Palmer same publisher that did for Chris Palmer same publisher that did why we get sick for Ben bickman why we get sick for Ben bickman why we get sick for Ben bickman um we're all about insulin resistance is um we're all about insulin resistance is um we're all about insulin resistance is Ben Bella books and I love those books Ben Bella books and I love those books Ben Bella books and I love those books but I don't think they want to talk to but I don't think they want to talk to but I don't think they want to talk to me about ice baths it might just be too me about ice baths it might just be too me about ice baths it might just be too edgy so maybe just be on Amazon and edgy so maybe just be on Amazon and edgy so maybe just be on Amazon and self-publishing yeah that's uncommon self-publishing yeah that's uncommon self-publishing yeah that's uncommon cold I'm going to call it oh I like that cold I'm going to call it oh I like that cold I'm going to call it oh I like that yeah that's awesome right on we'll yeah that's awesome right on we'll yeah that's awesome right on we'll appreciate you coming on the show thanks appreciate you coming on the show thanks appreciate you coming on the show thanks thank you so much yeah it's been a thank you so much yeah it's been a thank you so much yeah it's been a pleasure