How Long to Cold Plunge for Key Benefits Increase Testosterone ft Thomas Seager
00:00what's up friends welcome back to the what's up friends welcome back to the show I hope you're ready to get cold show I hope you're ready to get cold show I hope you're ready to get cold because today I'm talking to Professor because today I'm talking to Professor because today I'm talking to Professor Thomas Seager he is the founder or CEO Thomas Seager he is the founder or CEO Thomas Seager he is the founder or CEO of Morosco Forge which is the best piece of Morosco Forge which is the best piece of Morosco Forge which is the best piece of kit for Co plung in that you can buy of kit for Co plung in that you can buy of kit for Co plung in that you can buy this incredible Machinery unlocks all of this incredible Machinery unlocks all of this incredible Machinery unlocks all of the key benefits of cold exposure so the key benefits of cold exposure so the key benefits of cold exposure so naturally the conversation centers naturally the conversation centers naturally the conversation centers around that what can you expect from around that what can you expect from around that what can you expect from actually doing some of this cold actually doing some of this cold actually doing some of this cold plunging stuff well boosting your plunging stuff well boosting your plunging stuff well boosting your testosterone naturally to over a th testosterone naturally to over a th testosterone naturally to over a th points as a 55y old man if that sounds points as a 55y old man if that sounds points as a 55y old man if that sounds interesting stay tuned but you'll also interesting stay tuned but you'll also interesting stay tuned but you'll also hear some of the contraindications who hear some of the contraindications who hear some of the contraindications who shouldn't called what happens if you shouldn't called what happens if you shouldn't called what happens if you cold plunge after a weightlifting cold plunge after a weightlifting cold plunge after a weightlifting session and how that might actually kill session and how that might actually kill session and how that might actually kill your gains how cold plunging with your your gains how cold plunging with your your gains how cold plunging with your partner can actually enhance romance and partner can actually enhance romance and partner can actually enhance romance and how the physiological benefits the how the physiological benefits the how the physiological benefits the psychological benefits and even the psychological benefits and even the psychological benefits and even the philosophical benefits from becoming a philosophical benefits from becoming a philosophical benefits from becoming a coal plunger can be key to unlocking not coal plunger can be key to unlocking not coal plunger can be key to unlocking not only a mitochondrial Health but maybe only a mitochondrial Health but maybe only a mitochondrial Health but maybe the self responsibility that it requires the self responsibility that it requires the self responsibility that it requires to be radically healthy in a sick World
01:00to be radically healthy in a sick World to be radically healthy in a sick World fascinating guy fascinating episode I fascinating guy fascinating episode I fascinating guy fascinating episode I think you're going to love this one think you're going to love this one think you're going to love this one without further Ado Dr Thomas without further Ado Dr Thomas without further Ado Dr Thomas Seager Thomas Seager welcome to the show Seager Thomas Seager welcome to the show Seager Thomas Seager welcome to the show my friend you were just showing me your my friend you were just showing me your my friend you were just showing me your delightful morasco Forge setup I joked delightful morasco Forge setup I joked delightful morasco Forge setup I joked 32 floors up Phoenix Arizona chilling at 32 floors up Phoenix Arizona chilling at 32 floors up Phoenix Arizona chilling at 32 degrees Fahrenheit probably on The 32 degrees Fahrenheit probably on The 32 degrees Fahrenheit probably on The Daily you are a cold plunge madman look Daily you are a cold plunge madman look Daily you are a cold plunge madman look at that look at that and I want to talk at that look at that and I want to talk at that look at that and I want to talk all things Cold Light and anything else all things Cold Light and anything else all things Cold Light and anything else that comes up with you today but I want that comes up with you today but I want that comes up with you today but I want you to start this with a story I've you to start this with a story I've you to start this with a story I've heard you tell which is quite amusing heard you tell which is quite amusing heard you tell which is quite amusing and fascinating at the same time so tell and fascinating at the same time so tell and fascinating at the same time so tell me the story about how your cold me the story about how your cold me the story about how your cold plunging Journey had your doctor plunging Journey had your doctor plunging Journey had your doctor questioning whether you were on the questioning whether you were on the questioning whether you were on the juice that you thought you might be juice that you thought you might be juice that you thought you might be taking taking taking trt um I got into the ice bath because I trt um I got into the ice bath because I trt um I got into the ice bath because I was convinced I was going to die of was convinced I was going to die of was convinced I was going to die of prostate cancer this is I'm not saying I prostate cancer this is I'm not saying I prostate cancer this is I'm not saying I was right but you know how it works you was right but you know how it works you was right but you know how it works you can spend 20 minutes on WebMD or can spend 20 minutes on WebMD or can spend 20 minutes on WebMD or Cleveland clinic or Mayo Clinic or
02:00Cleveland clinic or Mayo Clinic or Cleveland clinic or Mayo Clinic or something like that and it gets inside something like that and it gets inside something like that and it gets inside your head and you know you're going to your head and you know you're going to your head and you know you're going to die of some you can find some disease in die of some you can find some disease in die of some you can find some disease in my case it was kind of a routine lab I my case it was kind of a routine lab I my case it was kind of a routine lab I checked the male Health panel and it checked the male Health panel and it checked the male Health panel and it gives you all your blood markers and one gives you all your blood markers and one gives you all your blood markers and one of them was the prostate specific of them was the prostate specific of them was the prostate specific antigen PSA and mine came up too high I antigen PSA and mine came up too high I antigen PSA and mine came up too high I was in my early 50s and I guess anything was in my early 50s and I guess anything was in my early 50s and I guess anything under four they would have said you're under four they would have said you're under four they would have said you're fine mine came up S nanograms per de fine mine came up S nanograms per de fine mine came up S nanograms per de leader so you know I get right onto the leader so you know I get right onto the leader so you know I get right onto the internet and it says yeah elevated risk internet and it says yeah elevated risk internet and it says yeah elevated risk for prostate cancer my catastrophic mind for prostate cancer my catastrophic mind for prostate cancer my catastrophic mind starts thinking that's it this is what's starts thinking that's it this is what's starts thinking that's it this is what's going to kill me and um I know better going to kill me and um I know better going to kill me and um I know better now but uh at the now but uh at the now but uh at the time I said before I go and do what time I said before I go and do what time I said before I go and do what WebMD says I'm supposed to do which is WebMD says I'm supposed to do which is WebMD says I'm supposed to do which is you know go see the medical doctor have you know go see the medical doctor have you know go see the medical doctor have a prostate exam that probably needs to a prostate exam that probably needs to a prostate exam that probably needs to abide biopsy and maybe that leads to a
03:00abide biopsy and maybe that leads to a abide biopsy and maybe that leads to a prostate ectomy whatever I didn't want prostate ectomy whatever I didn't want prostate ectomy whatever I didn't want this whole Cascade of interventions I this whole Cascade of interventions I this whole Cascade of interventions I said I should talk to some other guys said I should talk to some other guys said I should talk to some other guys and the stories that the other men told and the stories that the other men told and the stories that the other men told me who had been through this process me who had been through this process me who had been through this process were um laced with overdiagnosis and were um laced with overdiagnosis and were um laced with overdiagnosis and iatrogenic injury and all the downsides iatrogenic injury and all the downsides iatrogenic injury and all the downsides even those who had a successful prostate even those who had a successful prostate even those who had a successful prostate ectomy and thanked their doctors for ectomy and thanked their doctors for ectomy and thanked their doctors for saving their lives had no more erectile saving their lives had no more erectile saving their lives had no more erectile function and I thought I would I've got function and I thought I would I've got function and I thought I would I've got to try everything I can try before I go to try everything I can try before I go to try everything I can try before I go visit an MD and what I decided to try visit an MD and what I decided to try visit an MD and what I decided to try was a ketogenic diet and Ice baths I got was a ketogenic diet and Ice baths I got was a ketogenic diet and Ice baths I got into that ice bath every day because I into that ice bath every day because I into that ice bath every day because I was afraid that cancer was going to kill was afraid that cancer was going to kill was afraid that cancer was going to kill me now it turns out that the prostate me now it turns out that the prostate me now it turns out that the prostate specific antigen test is highly specific antigen test is highly specific antigen test is highly unreliable it is associated with an unreliable it is associated with an unreliable it is associated with an increased risk of cancer but it doesn't increased risk of cancer but it doesn't increased risk of cancer but it doesn't mean you have cancer what it means is
04:00mean you have cancer what it means is mean you have cancer what it means is you have an inflamed prostate and cold you have an inflamed prostate and cold you have an inflamed prostate and cold is really good for inflammation anyway is really good for inflammation anyway is really good for inflammation anyway the ketogenic diet went in and out I the ketogenic diet went in and out I the ketogenic diet went in and out I would cycle in and out of a keto is also would cycle in and out of a keto is also would cycle in and out of a keto is also will inhibit tumor growth so these are will inhibit tumor growth so these are will inhibit tumor growth so these are smart things with no negative side smart things with no negative side smart things with no negative side effects to do and they worked my PSA effects to do and they worked my PSA effects to do and they worked my PSA came down to 1.8 and then eventually 1.1 came down to 1.8 and then eventually 1.1 came down to 1.8 and then eventually 1.1 so totally not so totally not so totally not extraordinary well below four and I'm extraordinary well below four and I'm extraordinary well below four and I'm and my testosterone went through the and my testosterone went through the and my testosterone went through the roof so I was at about 750 nanog per roof so I was at about 750 nanog per roof so I was at about 750 nanog per dealer total testosterone on the same dealer total testosterone on the same dealer total testosterone on the same blood report that had the elevated PSA blood report that had the elevated PSA blood report that had the elevated PSA and what I didn't know at the time was and what I didn't know at the time was and what I didn't know at the time was that medical doctors thought that high that medical doctors thought that high that medical doctors thought that high testosterone was associated with testosterone was associated with testosterone was associated with increased risk of cancer the theory here increased risk of cancer the theory here increased risk of cancer the theory here is testosterone is anabolic it promotes is testosterone is anabolic it promotes is testosterone is anabolic it promotes cell growth you don't want to promote cell growth you don't want to promote cell growth you don't want to promote the growth of cancer cells and so uh the
05:00the growth of cancer cells and so uh the the growth of cancer cells and so uh the what the medical doctors believed was if what the medical doctors believed was if what the medical doctors believed was if you did anything that increased your you did anything that increased your you did anything that increased your testosterone it could make prostate testosterone it could make prostate testosterone it could make prostate cancer worse I didn't know cancer worse I didn't know cancer worse I didn't know that and I didn't know that ice baths that and I didn't know that ice baths that and I didn't know that ice baths would juice my testosterone either I was would juice my testosterone either I was would juice my testosterone either I was just getting in there every day to try just getting in there every day to try just getting in there every day to try and deal with this inflammation and and deal with this inflammation and and deal with this inflammation and produce some ketones well after I come produce some ketones well after I come produce some ketones well after I come out of course I'm cold I got to exercise out of course I'm cold I got to exercise out of course I'm cold I got to exercise I'm either walk in the campus or I'm I'm either walk in the campus or I'm I'm either walk in the campus or I'm doing some pull-ups or I get my steel doing some pull-ups or I get my steel doing some pull-ups or I get my steel mace out that's my favorite one just to mace out that's my favorite one just to mace out that's my favorite one just to help me rewarm help me rewarm help me rewarm and when my blood report came back at and when my blood report came back at and when my blood report came back at 1180 nanograms per decaler I thought 1180 nanograms per decaler I thought 1180 nanograms per decaler I thought well that's crazy I went to the library well that's crazy I went to the library well that's crazy I went to the library found a study that says when men use found a study that says when men use found a study that says when men use cold after exercise it will suppress cold after exercise it will suppress cold after exercise it will suppress their testosterone but when men do cold their testosterone but when men do cold their testosterone but when men do cold stimulation before their exercise it stimulation before their exercise it stimulation before their exercise it will raise total testosterone it will will raise total testosterone it will will raise total testosterone it will raise lutenizing hormone and this could raise lutenizing hormone and this could raise lutenizing hormone and this could explain what was happening happing on my
06:00explain what was happening happing on my explain what was happening happing on my lab lab lab report well I didn't have the confidence report well I didn't have the confidence report well I didn't have the confidence to go to the urologist with a crappy lab to go to the urologist with a crappy lab to go to the urologist with a crappy lab report I report I report I thought now that I'm in the clear you thought now that I'm in the clear you thought now that I'm in the clear you know and I got this great know and I got this great know and I got this great PSA maybe now I can go check in and see PSA maybe now I can go check in and see PSA maybe now I can go check in and see my urologist say Hey you know this is my urologist say Hey you know this is my urologist say Hey you know this is what's going on I'll get a big pat on what's going on I'll get a big pat on what's going on I'll get a big pat on the back he's probably going to congrat the back he's probably going to congrat the back he's probably going to congrat I'll get a metal right and he'll tell me I'll get a metal right and he'll tell me I'll get a metal right and he'll tell me oh what are you doing you're so oh what are you doing you're so oh what are you doing you're so clever that's not what he said he took a clever that's not what he said he took a clever that's not what he said he took a look at the testosterone report and he look at the testosterone report and he look at the testosterone report and he took a look at this you know 52-year-old took a look at this you know 52-year-old took a look at this you know 52-year-old sedentary overweight college professor sedentary overweight college professor sedentary overweight college professor and he thought no freaking way he's and he thought no freaking way he's and he thought no freaking way he's about my age he said I want one more about my age he said I want one more about my age he said I want one more test and this is the luteinizing hormone test and this is the luteinizing hormone test and this is the luteinizing hormone that I didn't know about and I hadn't that I didn't know about and I hadn't that I didn't know about and I hadn't been paying attention about but been paying attention about but been paying attention about but lutenizing hormone is what signals the lutenizing hormone is what signals the lutenizing hormone is what signals the testes to produce testosterone in a testes to produce testosterone in a testes to produce testosterone in a minut if my Total Tea had been hot and minut if my Total Tea had been hot and minut if my Total Tea had been hot and my luteinizing hormone low he would have my luteinizing hormone low he would have my luteinizing hormone low he would have said hey Seager lion you're putting your
07:00said hey Seager lion you're putting your said hey Seager lion you're putting your prostate at risk by you know take prostate at risk by you know take prostate at risk by you know take getting the juice giving yourself the getting the juice giving yourself the getting the juice giving yourself the steroids this is no good for your he steroids this is no good for your he steroids this is no good for your he would have like done some kind of an would have like done some kind of an would have like done some kind of an intervention with me I didn't know intervention with me I didn't know intervention with me I didn't know instead he orders the luteinizing instead he orders the luteinizing instead he orders the luteinizing hormone test so I go back to the lab hormone test so I go back to the lab hormone test so I go back to the lab they draws some more blood my they draws some more blood my they draws some more blood my luteinizing hormone is off the charts luteinizing hormone is off the charts luteinizing hormone is off the charts like 8.9 something basically I have the like 8.9 something basically I have the like 8.9 something basically I have the the sex hormone production capacity of a the sex hormone production capacity of a the sex hormone production capacity of a 19yearold and I'm you know this 19yearold and I'm you know this 19yearold and I'm you know this 50-year-old Professor wow I sent that 50-year-old Professor wow I sent that 50-year-old Professor wow I sent that report to him I never heard from him report to him I never heard from him report to him I never heard from him again no I thought maybe he would be again no I thought maybe he would be again no I thought maybe he would be curious because right low te it has curious because right low te it has curious because right low te it has reached epidemic proportions and it reached epidemic proportions and it reached epidemic proportions and it doesn't really matter anymore what your doesn't really matter anymore what your doesn't really matter anymore what your age is but he you know that's not how he age is but he you know that's not how he age is but he you know that's not how he does that's not how medical doctors does that's not how medical doctors does that's not how medical doctors practice it's not like he's going to practice it's not like he's going to practice it's not like he's going to take advice from some engineering take advice from some engineering take advice from some engineering professor at ASU who is this anomaly in professor at ASU who is this anomaly in professor at ASU who is this anomaly in his mind and I was naive to think that his mind and I was naive to think that his mind and I was naive to think that he could even act on curiosity if he
08:00he could even act on curiosity if he he could even act on curiosity if he could but I stay curious so how does it could but I stay curious so how does it could but I stay curious so how does it work work work testosterone is produced that is to say testosterone is produced that is to say testosterone is produced that is to say Upstream of testosterone is cholesterol Upstream of testosterone is cholesterol Upstream of testosterone is cholesterol cholesterol is the the building block of cholesterol is the the building block of cholesterol is the the building block of sex hormones and what converts the sex hormones and what converts the sex hormones and what converts the cholesterol into the steroidal cholesterol into the steroidal cholesterol into the steroidal precursors to testosterone you precursors to testosterone you precursors to testosterone you mitochondria mitochondria mitochondria so the reason that we have such an so the reason that we have such an so the reason that we have such an epidemic of low tea among men women too epidemic of low tea among men women too epidemic of low tea among men women too by the way is because of metabolic by the way is because of metabolic by the way is because of metabolic dysfunction because of the damaged dysfunction because of the damaged dysfunction because of the damaged mitochondria they're damaged by seed mitochondria they're damaged by seed mitochondria they're damaged by seed oils they're damaged by poor light oils they're damaged by poor light oils they're damaged by poor light hygiene and they're damaged by a lack of hygiene and they're damaged by a lack of hygiene and they're damaged by a lack of cold exposure they're damaged by you cold exposure they're damaged by you cold exposure they're damaged by you know our heated leather seats and our know our heated leather seats and our know our heated leather seats and our comfortable indoor environments and the comfortable indoor environments and the comfortable indoor environments and the fact that we have super glazed energy
09:00fact that we have super glazed energy fact that we have super glazed energy shielding windows that prevent infrared shielding windows that prevent infrared shielding windows that prevent infrared from penetrating we in such an unnatural from penetrating we in such an unnatural from penetrating we in such an unnatural environment that our mitochondria do not environment that our mitochondria do not environment that our mitochondria do not get the stimulus they need to maintain get the stimulus they need to maintain get the stimulus they need to maintain their optimal functionality as a result their optimal functionality as a result their optimal functionality as a result they do not convert cholesterol into they do not convert cholesterol into they do not convert cholesterol into steroidal precursors and those steroidal steroidal precursors and those steroidal steroidal precursors and those steroidal precursors have not converted to precursors have not converted to precursors have not converted to testosterone and we got way too many testosterone and we got way too many testosterone and we got way too many people men and women running around with people men and women running around with people men and women running around with low tee so this sort of accidental low tee so this sort of accidental low tee so this sort of accidental navigation of the biohacking world was navigation of the biohacking world was navigation of the biohacking world was all about avoiding the medical all about avoiding the medical all about avoiding the medical establishment and it turned out that my establishment and it turned out that my establishment and it turned out that my intuitions were pretty good because Dr intuitions were pretty good because Dr intuitions were pretty good because Dr medical doctor PhD of Morgan Talent he medical doctor PhD of Morgan Talent he medical doctor PhD of Morgan Talent he did the definitive study he said let's did the definitive study he said let's did the definitive study he said let's look at this idea that medical doctors look at this idea that medical doctors look at this idea that medical doctors have that high testosterone will somehow have that high testosterone will somehow have that high testosterone will somehow be anabolic and promote prostate cancer be anabolic and promote prostate cancer be anabolic and promote prostate cancer and when he did the data and he reviewed
10:00and when he did the data and he reviewed and when he did the data and he reviewed the clinical trials he discovered the the clinical trials he discovered the the clinical trials he discovered the opposite is true high testosterone opposite is true high testosterone opposite is true high testosterone protects against prostate cancer protects against prostate cancer protects against prostate cancer everything that I was doing turned out everything that I was doing turned out everything that I was doing turned out to be the right thing for a man with to be the right thing for a man with to be the right thing for a man with increased risk of prostate cancer to do increased risk of prostate cancer to do increased risk of prostate cancer to do and the opposite of what all my friends and the opposite of what all my friends and the opposite of what all my friends were reporting to me they got as advice were reporting to me they got as advice were reporting to me they got as advice from their from their from their MDS then I think not only are getting MDS then I think not only are getting MDS then I think not only are getting really bad information from sort of really bad information from sort of really bad information from sort of traditional medicine but they're getting traditional medicine but they're getting traditional medicine but they're getting a bunch of Scare Tactics and shame a bunch of Scare Tactics and shame a bunch of Scare Tactics and shame tactics on top of it when I got my lab tactics on top of it when I got my lab tactics on top of it when I got my lab report I didn't tell my kids I didn't report I didn't tell my kids I didn't report I didn't tell my kids I didn't tell I told my male friends like hey you tell I told my male friends like hey you tell I told my male friends like hey you know I've never have you ever had an know I've never have you ever had an know I've never have you ever had an elevated PSI have you ever had a elevated PSI have you ever had a elevated PSI have you ever had a prostate Pro I confided in them but I prostate Pro I confided in them but I prostate Pro I confided in them but I didn't tell my family because I knew didn't tell my family because I knew didn't tell my family because I knew that my daughter would say but D you that my daughter would say but D you that my daughter would say but D you have to go to the doctor go to the have to go to the doctor go to the have to go to the doctor go to the doctor for me I want you to take care of doctor for me I want you to take care of doctor for me I want you to take care of yourself I don't want you to take any
11:00yourself I don't want you to take any yourself I don't want you to take any chances I don't want to lose you I love chances I don't want to lose you I love chances I don't want to lose you I love you you know and I would not have been you you know and I would not have been you you know and I would not have been able to look my daughter in the eye and able to look my daughter in the eye and able to look my daughter in the eye and say I'm not doing I I would have felt say I'm not doing I I would have felt say I'm not doing I I would have felt pressure and fear and shame like a lot pressure and fear and shame like a lot pressure and fear and shame like a lot of men do if they're GNA Buck the system of men do if they're GNA Buck the system of men do if they're GNA Buck the system you know if they're going to go their you know if they're going to go their you know if they're going to go their own way U the people who care for them own way U the people who care for them own way U the people who care for them say don't do it well I have yet to meet say don't do it well I have yet to meet say don't do it well I have yet to meet and man in person who has told me you and man in person who has told me you and man in person who has told me you know I got an elevated PSA and I decided know I got an elevated PSA and I decided know I got an elevated PSA and I decided I was going to do what you did a lot of I was going to do what you did a lot of I was going to do what you did a lot of guys have written to me and some of my guys have written to me and some of my guys have written to me and some of my friends have said how did that work for friends have said how did that work for friends have said how did that work for you and I tell them everything that I you and I tell them everything that I you and I tell them everything that I did and they say yeah well I'm still did and they say yeah well I'm still did and they say yeah well I'm still going to get the biopsy yeah well you're going to get the biopsy yeah well you're going to get the biopsy yeah well you're still going to get the prostate ectomy still going to get the prostate ectomy still going to get the prostate ectomy because they don't want to let down because they don't want to let down because they don't want to let down particularly the women in their lives particularly the women in their lives particularly the women in their lives who they feel like are counting on them who they feel like are counting on them who they feel like are counting on them it's frightening and lone to think that
12:00it's frightening and lone to think that it's frightening and lone to think that you have two choices death or a lifetime you have two choices death or a lifetime you have two choices death or a lifetime of erectile dysfunction if I had not of erectile dysfunction if I had not of erectile dysfunction if I had not been separated from my wife at the time been separated from my wife at the time been separated from my wife at the time and we later divorced but if I hadn't and we later divorced but if I hadn't and we later divorced but if I hadn't been separated I probably never would been separated I probably never would been separated I probably never would have done it and the reason have done it and the reason have done it and the reason is is is I thought I can't live with erectile I thought I can't live with erectile I thought I can't live with erectile dysfunction because here I am you know dysfunction because here I am you know dysfunction because here I am you know headed for divorce and no woman will headed for divorce and no woman will headed for divorce and no woman will ever love me again there was some ever love me again there was some ever love me again there was some childlike need in me you know to like childlike need in me you know to like childlike need in me you know to like seek out to repair whatever it was that seek out to repair whatever it was that seek out to repair whatever it was that I thought was broken about me because of I thought was broken about me because of I thought was broken about me because of my divorce to fix that and find love my divorce to fix that and find love my divorce to fix that and find love again and I had to do it I have to again and I had to do it I have to again and I had to do it I have to preserve in my mind some shred of preserve in my mind some shred of preserve in my mind some shred of attractiveness so you can see my attractiveness so you can see my attractiveness so you can see my self-esteem at that moment was in the self-esteem at that moment was in the self-esteem at that moment was in the yeah and sometimes like today yeah and sometimes like today yeah and sometimes like today you know it's 35° in Phoenix and
13:00you know it's 35° in Phoenix and you know it's 35° in Phoenix and sometimes I'm looking at the ice in my sometimes I'm looking at the ice in my sometimes I'm looking at the ice in my ice bth and I'm like I could skip a day ice bth and I'm like I could skip a day ice bth and I'm like I could skip a day I'm fine right I I remember what got me I'm fine right I I remember what got me I'm fine right I I remember what got me in there in the first place I remember in there in the first place I remember in there in the first place I remember that how important it is to do the hard that how important it is to do the hard that how important it is to do the hard things I remember that uh what did I things I remember that uh what did I things I remember that uh what did I read on Instagram it's not motivation read on Instagram it's not motivation read on Instagram it's not motivation it's discipline yeah that gets you the it's discipline yeah that gets you the it's discipline yeah that gets you the habits you need to succeed and I get habits you need to succeed and I get habits you need to succeed and I get myself right back into that my prostate myself right back into that my prostate myself right back into that my prostate is fine my testosterone is fine my is fine my testosterone is fine my is fine my testosterone is fine my metabolism is fine I probably don't need metabolism is fine I probably don't need metabolism is fine I probably don't need any more cold my mitochondria my brown any more cold my mitochondria my brown any more cold my mitochondria my brown fat they're in great shape probably I fat they're in great shape probably I fat they're in great shape probably I should go to the gym and lit weights or should go to the gym and lit weights or should go to the gym and lit weights or something you know but I get into the something you know but I get into the something you know but I get into the mental benefits I get into to remind me mental benefits I get into to remind me mental benefits I get into to remind me that it is the discipline that is that it is the discipline that is that it is the discipline that is waiting for me in that cold that I need waiting for me in that cold that I need waiting for me in that cold that I need to do the really hard things in my life to do the really hard things in my life to do the really hard things in my life Yeah you mentioned when this initial Yeah you mentioned when this initial Yeah you mentioned when this initial prognosis and you saw that elevated prognosis and you saw that elevated prognosis and you saw that elevated number you you you actually use the number you you you actually use the number you you you actually use the words like my chaotic mind would story
14:00words like my chaotic mind would story words like my chaotic mind would story and tell you know all of the you know and tell you know all of the you know and tell you know all of the you know the the future perils that my family is the the future perils that my family is the the future perils that my family is going to face and I'm going to face and going to face and I'm going to face and going to face and I'm going to face and one of the things that really stood out one of the things that really stood out one of the things that really stood out to me hearing and we're going to talk to me hearing and we're going to talk to me hearing and we're going to talk about the physiological benefits today about the physiological benefits today about the physiological benefits today but how much more control over that but how much more control over that but how much more control over that chaotic mind you now have as a chaotic mind you now have as a chaotic mind you now have as a consequence of the discipline required consequence of the discipline required consequence of the discipline required you know there used to be an old say and you know there used to be an old say and you know there used to be an old say and I did MMA and high level Athletics for a I did MMA and high level Athletics for a I did MMA and high level Athletics for a long time and it was always about long time and it was always about long time and it was always about staying fit and that the saying was um staying fit and that the saying was um staying fit and that the saying was um fatigue makes cowards of us all fatigue makes cowards of us all fatigue makes cowards of us all and now I think cold makes cowards of us and now I think cold makes cowards of us and now I think cold makes cowards of us all until we actually accomplish it and all until we actually accomplish it and all until we actually accomplish it and we get over the other side you know I do we get over the other side you know I do we get over the other side you know I do this dippy December every year I told this dippy December every year I told this dippy December every year I told you about my cowboy coal plunge it's you about my cowboy coal plunge it's you about my cowboy coal plunge it's just in the back and it gets really just in the back and it gets really just in the back and it gets really Frosty here in Tennessee during the Frosty here in Tennessee during the Frosty here in Tennessee during the winter so when I'm smashing the ice with winter so when I'm smashing the ice with winter so when I'm smashing the ice with a kettle bell and I know I'm trying to a kettle bell and I know I'm trying to a kettle bell and I know I'm trying to get my butt in there for you know two get my butt in there for you know two get my butt in there for you know two three minutes like there's almost never three minutes like there's almost never three minutes like there's almost never a moment where I'm psyched about that a moment where I'm psyched about that a moment where I'm psyched about that I'm like oh boy here we go but then you I'm like oh boy here we go but then you I'm like oh boy here we go but then you know like you say you get in and you know like you say you get in and you know like you say you get in and you regulate you take those first few regulate you take those first few regulate you take those first few breaths and then you settle in and breaths and then you settle in and breaths and then you settle in and afterwards I do the same thing I'll do afterwards I do the same thing I'll do afterwards I do the same thing I'll do some Earth squats or jump in Jacks I'll
15:00some Earth squats or jump in Jacks I'll some Earth squats or jump in Jacks I'll swing a cattle Bell whatever it may be swing a cattle Bell whatever it may be swing a cattle Bell whatever it may be and you feel like a million bucks but and you feel like a million bucks but and you feel like a million bucks but you've got to conquer that inner War you've got to conquer that inner War you've got to conquer that inner War every single time and there's something every single time and there's something every single time and there's something in a world you you alluded to it this in a world you you alluded to it this in a world you you alluded to it this kind of comfort crisis we find ourselves kind of comfort crisis we find ourselves kind of comfort crisis we find ourselves in you know at a house that's constantly in you know at a house that's constantly in you know at a house that's constantly at a perfect 70 degrees heated seats at a perfect 70 degrees heated seats at a perfect 70 degrees heated seats never tasting the extremes of that there never tasting the extremes of that there never tasting the extremes of that there is something so valuable I think about is something so valuable I think about is something so valuable I think about purposefully seeking out extreme levels purposefully seeking out extreme levels purposefully seeking out extreme levels of discomfort from a psychological of discomfort from a psychological of discomfort from a psychological perspective Mastery overmind discipline perspective Mastery overmind discipline perspective Mastery overmind discipline all of those things and then Downstream all of those things and then Downstream all of those things and then Downstream of that you just have these wonderful of that you just have these wonderful of that you just have these wonderful physiological effects as well it's physiological effects as well it's physiological effects as well it's really quite profound and simple at the really quite profound and simple at the really quite profound and simple at the same time that something as natural as same time that something as natural as same time that something as natural as cold water something we had no choice cold water something we had no choice cold water something we had no choice because hot showers shocker were only because hot showers shocker were only because hot showers shocker were only invented not that long ago you know we invented not that long ago you know we invented not that long ago you know we we had no choice and this thing we had no choice and this thing we had no choice and this thing grandfather didn't have hot showers no grandfather didn't have hot showers no grandfather didn't have hot showers no no and just getting back to of our have no and just getting back to of our have no and just getting back to of our have windshield wiper motors for goodness windshield wiper motors for goodness windshield wiper motors for goodness sakes you know I know it's crazy it's sakes you know I know it's crazy it's sakes you know I know it's crazy it's crazy so so tell me a little bit about
16:00crazy so so tell me a little bit about crazy so so tell me a little bit about the the physiology here you you the the physiology here you you the the physiology here you you mentioned mitochondria and this is um mentioned mitochondria and this is um mentioned mitochondria and this is um something we've been rabbit hauling a something we've been rabbit hauling a something we've been rabbit hauling a lot on this show recently because when lot on this show recently because when lot on this show recently because when it comes down to it brast tax is if the it comes down to it brast tax is if the it comes down to it brast tax is if the mitochondria work well you're probably mitochondria work well you're probably mitochondria work well you're probably going to be energy efficient and all of going to be energy efficient and all of going to be energy efficient and all of that stuff but if the mitochondria get that stuff but if the mitochondria get that stuff but if the mitochondria get broken you're a bit screwed and it's broken you're a bit screwed and it's broken you're a bit screwed and it's going to manifest in all kinds of ways going to manifest in all kinds of ways going to manifest in all kinds of ways everything from low energy to chronic everything from low energy to chronic everything from low energy to chronic disease to cancer you name it what is disease to cancer you name it what is disease to cancer you name it what is cold water actually doing what what cold water actually doing what what cold water actually doing what what effects is it having on the body that's effects is it having on the body that's effects is it having on the body that's helping with inflammation gains all of helping with inflammation gains all of helping with inflammation gains all of these things what really stands out to these things what really stands out to these things what really stands out to you as its effects I'm going to take the you as its effects I'm going to take the you as its effects I'm going to take the long way to this answer um because there long way to this answer um because there long way to this answer um because there are lots of theories of aging and are lots of theories of aging and are lots of theories of aging and anti-aging has become this huge social anti-aging has become this huge social anti-aging has become this huge social media meme there's the competition to media meme there's the competition to media meme there's the competition to see who can get like their the longest see who can get like their the longest see who can get like their the longest telr length there's something like this telr length there's something like this telr length there's something like this in the true diagnostic biomarker in the true diagnostic biomarker in the true diagnostic biomarker study PD mangen tweeted out this morning study PD mangen tweeted out this morning study PD mangen tweeted out this morning he said a man is only as old as his he said a man is only as old as his he said a man is only as old as his mitochondria and I thought that was a py mitochondria and I thought that was a py mitochondria and I thought that was a py way to say it because the only Theory of
17:00way to say it because the only Theory of way to say it because the only Theory of Aging that makes any sense to me is Aging that makes any sense to me is Aging that makes any sense to me is mitochondrial damage all the other mitochondrial damage all the other mitochondrial damage all the other material markers whether it's DNA material markers whether it's DNA material markers whether it's DNA methylation or telomere length they're methylation or telomere length they're methylation or telomere length they're associated with aging but I don't think associated with aging but I don't think associated with aging but I don't think they're Upstream of Aging that is I they're Upstream of Aging that is I they're Upstream of Aging that is I don't think that they are the cause of don't think that they are the cause of don't think that they are the cause of aging and looking at the material Markel aging and looking at the material Markel aging and looking at the material Markel is the wrong way to think about life is is the wrong way to think about life is is the wrong way to think about life is a constant struggle against entropy life a constant struggle against entropy life a constant struggle against entropy life a thermodynamic process the energy that a thermodynamic process the energy that a thermodynamic process the energy that is flowing through us is what is flowing through us is what is flowing through us is what constitutes life the material difference constitutes life the material difference constitutes life the material difference between someone who um is alive and then between someone who um is alive and then between someone who um is alive and then takes their last death breath you know takes their last death breath you know takes their last death breath you know is irrelevant they have the same DNA is irrelevant they have the same DNA is irrelevant they have the same DNA they have the same everything but their they have the same everything but their they have the same everything but their mitochondria are what shuts down the mitochondria are what shuts down the mitochondria are what shuts down the energy flow that goes through them and energy flow that goes through them and energy flow that goes through them and keeps them animated keeps them alive so keeps them animated keeps them alive so keeps them animated keeps them alive so we must look to the mitochondria for
18:00we must look to the mitochondria for we must look to the mitochondria for theories of theories of theories of longevity but human longevity studies longevity but human longevity studies longevity but human longevity studies are so difficult to run you gotta you are so difficult to run you gotta you are so difficult to run you gotta you know you got to watch people forever know you got to watch people forever know you got to watch people forever right yeah so what we're really looking right yeah so what we're really looking right yeah so what we're really looking for is things that correlate with for is things that correlate with for is things that correlate with mortality things that show up earlier mortality things that show up earlier mortality things that show up earlier what are the diseases associated with what are the diseases associated with what are the diseases associated with reduced increased mortality or reduced reduced increased mortality or reduced reduced increased mortality or reduced longevity every cause of death from longevity every cause of death from longevity every cause of death from chronic illness in the United States chronic illness in the United States chronic illness in the United States originates in metabolic dysfunction what originates in metabolic dysfunction what originates in metabolic dysfunction what Ben Vickman would call insulin Ben Vickman would call insulin Ben Vickman would call insulin resistance and you can go right down resistance and you can go right down resistance and you can go right down those so heart disease originates in those so heart disease originates in those so heart disease originates in insulin resistance U stroke insulin insulin resistance U stroke insulin insulin resistance U stroke insulin resistance Alzheimer's insulin resistance Alzheimer's insulin resistance Alzheimer's insulin resistance type two diabetes insulin resistance type two diabetes insulin resistance type two diabetes insulin resist every single one of them resist every single one of them resist every single one of them originates in mitochondrial originates in mitochondrial originates in mitochondrial dysfunction so what are you going to do dysfunction so what are you going to do dysfunction so what are you going to do for your mitochondria there are three for your mitochondria there are three for your mitochondria there are three routes to mitochondrial injury that I've routes to mitochondrial injury that I've routes to mitochondrial injury that I've measured mentioned before measured mentioned before measured mentioned before um poor light hygiene your mitochondria
19:00um poor light hygiene your mitochondria um poor light hygiene your mitochondria make their own melatonin the melatonin make their own melatonin the melatonin make their own melatonin the melatonin in the mitochondria is what protects the in the mitochondria is what protects the in the mitochondria is what protects the mitochondrial DNA from damage the cell mitochondrial DNA from damage the cell mitochondrial DNA from damage the cell nucleus has its own DNA but compared to nucleus has its own DNA but compared to nucleus has its own DNA but compared to mitochondrial DNA it's like practically mitochondrial DNA it's like practically mitochondrial DNA it's like practically inert the mitochondrial DNA is working inert the mitochondrial DNA is working inert the mitochondrial DNA is working all the time and it doesn't have the all the time and it doesn't have the all the time and it doesn't have the protection of a nucleus now remember protection of a nucleus now remember protection of a nucleus now remember this DNA is separate from the cell this DNA is separate from the cell this DNA is separate from the cell nucleus it is inherited exclusively at nucleus it is inherited exclusively at nucleus it is inherited exclusively at least under normal conditions least under normal conditions least under normal conditions exclusively from your mother and it's exclusively from your mother and it's exclusively from your mother and it's much more vulnerable to damage so much more vulnerable to damage so much more vulnerable to damage so mitochondria make their own melatonin to mitochondria make their own melatonin to mitochondria make their own melatonin to protect them from oxidative injury poor protect them from oxidative injury poor protect them from oxidative injury poor light hygiene if this disrupts that light hygiene if this disrupts that light hygiene if this disrupts that melatonin production then it leaves the melatonin production then it leaves the melatonin production then it leaves the mitochondrial Bund second one seed oils mitochondrial Bund second one seed oils mitochondrial Bund second one seed oils the seed oils can be metabolized and if the seed oils can be metabolized and if the seed oils can be metabolized and if they were all metabolized then they're they were all metabolized then they're they were all metabolized then they're probably harmless like you're just using probably harmless like you're just using probably harmless like you're just using them for energy but they're not what them for energy but they're not what them for energy but they're not what people forget is that fats in your diet
20:00people forget is that fats in your diet people forget is that fats in your diet are incorporated into your body as are incorporated into your body as are incorporated into your body as material fat are the building blocks of material fat are the building blocks of material fat are the building blocks of every cell membrane and every organel every cell membrane and every organel every cell membrane and every organel membran they are used to construct what membran they are used to construct what membran they are used to construct what are called phospholipids and those are called phospholipids and those are called phospholipids and those phospholipids that constitute the phospholipids that constitute the phospholipids that constitute the membrane they control the transport of membrane they control the transport of membrane they control the transport of nutrients protons everything across that nutrients protons everything across that nutrients protons everything across that cell membrane if you use the wrong cell membrane if you use the wrong cell membrane if you use the wrong precursors if you have the wrong facts precursors if you have the wrong facts precursors if you have the wrong facts in your diet then your membranes are not in your diet then your membranes are not in your diet then your membranes are not made out of the f that work well they're made out of the f that work well they're made out of the f that work well they're made out of the fats that don't work made out of the fats that don't work made out of the fats that don't work well and this can disrupt the the well and this can disrupt the the well and this can disrupt the the function that these membranes must function that these membranes must function that these membranes must perform transport of the things that perform transport of the things that perform transport of the things that your cells or your organal need and your cells or your organal need and your cells or your organal need and exclusion of the things that they don't exclusion of the things that they don't exclusion of the things that they don't then the third one the lack of cult and then the third one the lack of cult and then the third one the lack of cult and this one confuses a lot of this one confuses a lot of this one confuses a lot of people we are aquatic creatures that is people we are aquatic creatures that is people we are aquatic creatures that is I'm not aquatic in my you know Phoenix I'm not aquatic in my you know Phoenix I'm not aquatic in my you know Phoenix Arizona apartment in the middle of the Arizona apartment in the middle of the Arizona apartment in the middle of the desert but I am descended like all Homo
21:00desert but I am descended like all Homo desert but I am descended like all Homo sapiens I have these physiological sapiens I have these physiological sapiens I have these physiological characteristics that prepare me for the characteristics that prepare me for the characteristics that prepare me for the water whether that's downward facing water whether that's downward facing water whether that's downward facing nostrils that mean we can dive in nostrils that mean we can dive in nostrils that mean we can dive in without that cold water hitting our without that cold water hitting our without that cold water hitting our brains or the subcutaneous fat of which brains or the subcutaneous fat of which brains or the subcutaneous fat of which I have more than enough you know that we I have more than enough you know that we I have more than enough you know that we share with whales and dolphins and other share with whales and dolphins and other share with whales and dolphins and other Aquatic mammals or the fact that our Aquatic mammals or the fact that our Aquatic mammals or the fact that our babies are born with an instinct to swim babies are born with an instinct to swim babies are born with an instinct to swim there are all these physiological there are all these physiological there are all these physiological indications that we are aquatic indications that we are aquatic indications that we are aquatic and the water that our ancient ancestors and the water that our ancient ancestors and the water that our ancient ancestors foraged in fished in was cold you can foraged in fished in was cold you can foraged in fished in was cold you can argue about sort of the origins of argue about sort of the origins of argue about sort of the origins of humankind but the oldest known fossils humankind but the oldest known fossils humankind but the oldest known fossils are found in East Africa there are four are found in East Africa there are four are found in East Africa there are four glaciers active today on the equator in glaciers active today on the equator in glaciers active today on the equator in East Africa so how the heck you think East Africa so how the heck you think East Africa so how the heck you think that our ancestors survived the ice age that our ancestors survived the ice age that our ancestors survived the ice age when some volcano 70,000 years ago when some volcano 70,000 years ago when some volcano 70,000 years ago erupts and it creates you know three erupts and it creates you know three erupts and it creates you know three years of all winter no growing season we
22:00years of all winter no growing season we years of all winter no growing season we survived in the water and that water was survived in the water and that water was survived in the water and that water was cold your body like mine is designed to cold your body like mine is designed to cold your body like mine is designed to expect cold and your mitochondria are expect cold and your mitochondria are expect cold and your mitochondria are stimulated in two respects when you get stimulated in two respects when you get stimulated in two respects when you get cold the first one is mitas the cold is cold the first one is mitas the cold is cold the first one is mitas the cold is an extreme thermodynamic hormetic an extreme thermodynamic hormetic an extreme thermodynamic hormetic stressor so it's like an extreme stressor so it's like an extreme stressor so it's like an extreme exercises too but the cold is an extreme exercises too but the cold is an extreme exercises too but the cold is an extreme burden on the mitochondria it says You burden on the mitochondria it says You burden on the mitochondria it says You must produce heat through this non- must produce heat through this non- must produce heat through this non- shivering thermogenesis you don't have shivering thermogenesis you don't have shivering thermogenesis you don't have any brown fat the brown fat is any brown fat the brown fat is any brown fat the brown fat is principally responsible for non- principally responsible for non- principally responsible for non- shivering thermogenesis that would shivering thermogenesis that would shivering thermogenesis that would maintain the homos homeostatic core body maintain the homos homeostatic core body maintain the homos homeostatic core body temperature if you don't have any brown temperature if you don't have any brown temperature if you don't have any brown fat then of course muscle shivering is fat then of course muscle shivering is fat then of course muscle shivering is how you you maintain temperature in the how you you maintain temperature in the how you you maintain temperature in the cold but once you get enough cold your cold but once you get enough cold your cold but once you get enough cold your mitochondria will undergo two processes mitochondria will undergo two processes mitochondria will undergo two processes one called mofas which is the one called mofas which is the one called mofas which is the elimination of damaged mitochondria and elimination of damaged mitochondria and elimination of damaged mitochondria and the other one called mitobiogenesis the other one called mitobiogenesis the other one called mitobiogenesis the replacement of those damaged one by
23:00the replacement of those damaged one by the replacement of those damaged one by new mitochondria so this is the new mitochondria so this is the new mitochondria so this is the essentially the cloning of the healthy essentially the cloning of the healthy essentially the cloning of the healthy mitochondria to produce new ones this mitochondria to produce new ones this mitochondria to produce new ones this happens in the brown fat to such an happens in the brown fat to such an happens in the brown fat to such an extent that you can take white fat cells extent that you can take white fat cells extent that you can take white fat cells add mitochondria it's called Beijing you add mitochondria it's called Beijing you add mitochondria it's called Beijing you canate new Brown fat by when your body canate new Brown fat by when your body canate new Brown fat by when your body adds mitochondria to what used to be adds mitochondria to what used to be adds mitochondria to what used to be just an ordinary white fat C this is just an ordinary white fat C this is just an ordinary white fat C this is your body's mitochondrial adaptation to your body's mitochondrial adaptation to your body's mitochondrial adaptation to the cold and at least in animal models the cold and at least in animal models the cold and at least in animal models it is the most effective way to it is the most effective way to it is the most effective way to stimulate mopas is the most effective stimulate mopas is the most effective stimulate mopas is the most effective mitochondrial therapy that has been mitochondrial therapy that has been mitochondrial therapy that has been documented yet if brief that is for me documented yet if brief that is for me documented yet if brief that is for me it's two to four minutes some people go it's two to four minutes some people go it's two to four minutes some people go longer but brief and acute cold exposure longer but brief and acute cold exposure longer but brief and acute cold exposure to stimulate this mitochondrial to stimulate this mitochondrial to stimulate this mitochondrial Rejuvenation now there's some other Rejuvenation now there's some other Rejuvenation now there's some other things that are also good for cold you things that are also good for cold you things that are also good for cold you need magnesium might cona rely on need magnesium might cona rely on need magnesium might cona rely on magnesium magnesium catalyzes hundreds
24:00magnesium magnesium catalyzes hundreds magnesium magnesium catalyzes hundreds of metabolic reactions it participates of metabolic reactions it participates of metabolic reactions it participates in the formation of enzymes that are in the formation of enzymes that are in the formation of enzymes that are critical to energy conversion and critical to energy conversion and critical to energy conversion and Metabolism so if you get cold and you're Metabolism so if you get cold and you're Metabolism so if you get cold and you're not getting enough magnesium your body not getting enough magnesium your body not getting enough magnesium your body will release it from your bones to the will release it from your bones to the will release it from your bones to the point where if it's never replenished point where if it's never replenished point where if it's never replenished your bones could become depleted of your bones could become depleted of your bones could become depleted of magnesium and lose strength so they're magnesium and lose strength so they're magnesium and lose strength so they're nutritional things there are light nutritional things there are light nutritional things there are light things that avoid the seed oils to take things that avoid the seed oils to take things that avoid the seed oils to take care of your mitochondria but the Cal is care of your mitochondria but the Cal is care of your mitochondria but the Cal is so powerful that even the people in so powerful that even the people in so powerful that even the people in clinical Childs who eat like crap never clinical Childs who eat like crap never clinical Childs who eat like crap never get any exercise aren't doing anything get any exercise aren't doing anything get any exercise aren't doing anything with light hygiene can reverse type two with light hygiene can reverse type two with light hygiene can reverse type two diabetes they're already in an acute diabetes they're already in an acute diabetes they're already in an acute unhealthy metabolic dysfunctional State unhealthy metabolic dysfunctional State unhealthy metabolic dysfunctional State and the cold can bring them back by and the cold can bring them back by and the cold can bring them back by improving their insulin sensitivity so improving their insulin sensitivity so improving their insulin sensitivity so we're not these people we're not talking we're not these people we're not talking we're not these people we're not talking Optimal Health we're talking elderly and Optimal Health we're talking elderly and Optimal Health we're talking elderly and middle-aged German participants in this
25:00middle-aged German participants in this middle-aged German participants in this research study where they did 10 days of research study where they did 10 days of research study where they did 10 days of mild cold air exposure and measured huge mild cold air exposure and measured huge mild cold air exposure and measured huge increases Improvement in insulin increases Improvement in insulin increases Improvement in insulin sensitivity and that's because your body sensitivity and that's because your body sensitivity and that's because your body is designed to be cold when you give is designed to be cold when you give is designed to be cold when you give your mitochondria what they need then your mitochondria what they need then your mitochondria what they need then your mitochondria will give you back the your mitochondria will give you back the your mitochondria will give you back the energy that your body needs that's so energy that your body needs that's so energy that your body needs that's so it's such an empowering message I think it's such an empowering message I think it's such an empowering message I think because if if if we get down to it and because if if if we get down to it and because if if if we get down to it and all things steam to stem I know we've all things steam to stem I know we've all things steam to stem I know we've got thousands of diagnosis these but got thousands of diagnosis these but got thousands of diagnosis these but essentially if you root them all down essentially if you root them all down essentially if you root them all down there is like kind of this chronic state there is like kind of this chronic state there is like kind of this chronic state of inflammation there's this low energy of inflammation there's this low energy of inflammation there's this low energy state which all comes back to the state which all comes back to the state which all comes back to the mitochondria and potentially the best mitochondria and potentially the best mitochondria and potentially the best stimulus for that is transient cold stimulus for that is transient cold stimulus for that is transient cold exposure which almost everybody has exposure which almost everybody has exposure which almost everybody has access to in some way shape or form access to in some way shape or form access to in some way shape or form right even if it's just a cold shower we right even if it's just a cold shower we right even if it's just a cold shower we could get into the differences there but could get into the differences there but could get into the differences there but that's like accessible to anyone and that's like accessible to anyone and that's like accessible to anyone and you're right like not everybody needs to you're right like not everybody needs to you're right like not everybody needs to be a pinnacle athlete but this could be a pinnacle athlete but this could be a pinnacle athlete but this could help I mean got seven out of every 10 help I mean got seven out of every 10 help I mean got seven out of every 10 deaths in the US are due to a chronic
26:00deaths in the US are due to a chronic deaths in the US are due to a chronic disease of of lifestyle and you know we disease of of lifestyle and you know we disease of of lifestyle and you know we look at Food of course we do here it's look at Food of course we do here it's look at Food of course we do here it's one of the big when we look at movement one of the big when we look at movement one of the big when we look at movement and we look at light but to have this and we look at light but to have this and we look at light but to have this availability of cold water right there availability of cold water right there availability of cold water right there and to Pur it with some of these other and to Pur it with some of these other and to Pur it with some of these other behaviors seems to be um something that behaviors seems to be um something that behaviors seems to be um something that is kind of crazy that we're overlooking is kind of crazy that we're overlooking is kind of crazy that we're overlooking I think purely probably because people I think purely probably because people I think purely probably because people hate the cold but maybe there's a hate the cold but maybe there's a hate the cold but maybe there's a Credence to get in there if it's going Credence to get in there if it's going Credence to get in there if it's going to give you more energy and more life to give you more energy and more life to give you more energy and more life back extend your lifespan and help you back extend your lifespan and help you back extend your lifespan and help you potentially fight off chronic diseases I potentially fight off chronic diseases I potentially fight off chronic diseases I wish that a cucumber facial were the key wish that a cucumber facial were the key wish that a cucumber facial were the key to longevity and mitochondrial Health to longevity and mitochondrial Health to longevity and mitochondrial Health you know I wish a glass of wine and a you know I wish a glass of wine and a you know I wish a glass of wine and a hot bath would be you know the key to hot bath would be you know the key to hot bath would be you know the key to longevity it's not and so when you see longevity it's not and so when you see longevity it's not and so when you see people online and they're going no the people online and they're going no the people online and they're going no the only reason it feels good when you get only reason it feels good when you get only reason it feels good when you get out of the cold is because you stop out of the cold is because you stop out of the cold is because you stop hitting yourself in the head with a hitting yourself in the head with a hitting yourself in the head with a hammer or you know some I don't know hammer or you know some I don't know hammer or you know some I don't know exactly what they're saying cold was exactly what they're saying cold was exactly what they're saying cold was like a plane crash these things make no like a plane crash these things make no like a plane crash these things make no sense to me but they give the audience a
27:00sense to me but they give the audience a sense to me but they give the audience a reason to avoid reason to avoid reason to avoid something that they don't want to do something that they don't want to do something that they don't want to do anything you don't reason if you don't anything you don't reason if you don't anything you don't reason if you don't like the cold just say you don't like like the cold just say you don't like like the cold just say you don't like the cold just don't do it it's fine type the cold just don't do it it's fine type the cold just don't do it it's fine type two diabetes is a billion doll a day two diabetes is a billion doll a day two diabetes is a billion doll a day industry in this country and by industry industry in this country and by industry industry in this country and by industry I mean it's a massive profit Center and I mean it's a massive profit Center and I mean it's a massive profit Center and if people got it in their head that they if people got it in their head that they if people got it in their head that they could fill their bathtub up with tap could fill their bathtub up with tap could fill their bathtub up with tap water and get in there for five or 10 water and get in there for five or 10 water and get in there for five or 10 minutes to reverse their type two minutes to reverse their type two minutes to reverse their type two diabetes so they don't have to start diabetes so they don't have to start diabetes so they don't have to start shooting themselves in the stomach with shooting themselves in the stomach with shooting themselves in the stomach with insulin well what would happen to this insulin well what would happen to this insulin well what would happen to this billion dollar a day industry type two billion dollar a day industry type two billion dollar a day industry type two diabetes is reversible and not a little diabetes is reversible and not a little diabetes is reversible and not a little bit like it is reliably bit like it is reliably bit like it is reliably reversible however the revenue stream reversible however the revenue stream reversible however the revenue stream that heads the Physicians into Novo that heads the Physicians into Novo that heads the Physicians into Novo nordis um that would nordis um that would nordis um that would disappear typ one diabetes is different disappear typ one diabetes is different disappear typ one diabetes is different a type one diabetic suffers from an
28:00a type one diabetic suffers from an a type one diabetic suffers from an autoimmune disorder so that the pancreas autoimmune disorder so that the pancreas autoimmune disorder so that the pancreas no longer makes insulin and the no longer makes insulin and the no longer makes insulin and the genetically engineered insulin so this genetically engineered insulin so this genetically engineered insulin so this is human insulin made by ecoli bacteria is human insulin made by ecoli bacteria is human insulin made by ecoli bacteria that have been engineered to produce it that have been engineered to produce it that have been engineered to produce it they saved my son's life I'm not really they saved my son's life I'm not really they saved my son's life I'm not really arguing against insulin or or the arguing against insulin or or the arguing against insulin or or the pharmaceutical industry when it's pharmaceutical industry when it's pharmaceutical industry when it's correcting something that your body correcting something that your body correcting something that your body cannot not do for itself what I'm cannot not do for itself what I'm cannot not do for itself what I'm arguing against is the propaganda arguing against is the propaganda arguing against is the propaganda machine that has convinced people oh machine that has convinced people oh machine that has convinced people oh it's your type two diabetes is Lifetime it's your type two diabetes is Lifetime it's your type two diabetes is Lifetime and degenerative and there's basically and degenerative and there's basically and degenerative and there's basically nothing you can do you should keep nothing you can do you should keep nothing you can do you should keep coming back and filling your coming back and filling your coming back and filling your prescription it's so well said I think prescription it's so well said I think prescription it's so well said I think what we have a tendency to do is throw what we have a tendency to do is throw what we have a tendency to do is throw all the baby out with the bath water the all the baby out with the bath water the all the baby out with the bath water the ice water in this case and I've had the ice water in this case and I've had the ice water in this case and I've had the similar message for a long time it's not similar message for a long time it's not similar message for a long time it's not this reject all Western medicine it's this reject all Western medicine it's this reject all Western medicine it's unlearn the Learned helplessness that
29:00unlearn the Learned helplessness that unlearn the Learned helplessness that it's given us that you can only be saved it's given us that you can only be saved it's given us that you can only be saved through the doctor's office that so much through the doctor's office that so much through the doctor's office that so much of what you're talking about and I've of what you're talking about and I've of what you're talking about and I've heard your story in the past about how a heard your story in the past about how a heard your story in the past about how a lot of this started with the the your lot of this started with the the your lot of this started with the the your son's diabetes and it forced you to son's diabetes and it forced you to son's diabetes and it forced you to question the Dogma it forc you to question the Dogma it forc you to question the Dogma it forc you to question the narratives it forced you to question the narratives it forced you to question the narratives it forced you to track things before keto was a thing track things before keto was a thing track things before keto was a thing before you knew any of this stuff but before you knew any of this stuff but before you knew any of this stuff but that probably spurred you up later in that probably spurred you up later in that probably spurred you up later in life for when you got your scur life for when you got your scur life for when you got your scur diagnosis to say hold on wait a minute diagnosis to say hold on wait a minute diagnosis to say hold on wait a minute there might be something I can do my there might be something I can do my there might be something I can do my role in self- responsibility over my role in self- responsibility over my role in self- responsibility over my health and I think that's a a really health and I think that's a a really health and I think that's a a really empowering frame like go to the doctors empowering frame like go to the doctors empowering frame like go to the doctors if you need them you bet your ass if I if you need them you bet your ass if I if you need them you bet your ass if I have a hole in my leg from a gunshot have a hole in my leg from a gunshot have a hole in my leg from a gunshot wound I'm going right to A&E if I break wound I'm going right to A&E if I break wound I'm going right to A&E if I break my arm I'm going to the doctors but if my arm I'm going to the doctors but if my arm I'm going to the doctors but if I'm thinking of H something's off with I'm thinking of H something's off with I'm thinking of H something's off with my gut here or I'm having chronic my gut here or I'm having chronic my gut here or I'm having chronic headaches or oh I've got this chronic headaches or oh I've got this chronic headaches or oh I've got this chronic joint inflammation the first thing I'm joint inflammation the first thing I'm joint inflammation the first thing I'm going to do is really assess what's going to do is really assess what's going to do is really assess what's going on in my lifestyle what foods am I going on in my lifestyle what foods am I going on in my lifestyle what foods am I eating have I been looking at the screen eating have I been looking at the screen eating have I been looking at the screen too much am I grounding am I getting too much am I grounding am I getting too much am I grounding am I getting outside am I not doing my cold am I not outside am I not doing my cold am I not outside am I not doing my cold am I not moving these seem to be as Paul moving these seem to be as Paul moving these seem to be as Paul cheekwood called them the the four
30:00cheekwood called them the the four cheekwood called them the the four doctors the ones that we have control of doctors the ones that we have control of doctors the ones that we have control of and I think that's a really empowering and I think that's a really empowering and I think that's a really empowering frame and you know you like you you frame and you know you like you you frame and you know you like you you mentioned you're a professor you have a mentioned you're a professor you have a mentioned you're a professor you have a PhD so you know the science you're not a PhD so you know the science you're not a PhD so you know the science you're not a medical Professor but you understand how medical Professor but you understand how medical Professor but you understand how the science can become the pursuit of the science can become the pursuit of the science can become the pursuit of profits not the pursuit of truth thank profits not the pursuit of truth thank profits not the pursuit of truth thank goodness I never went to medical school goodness I never went to medical school goodness I never went to medical school it would be such a handicap you know if it would be such a handicap you know if it would be such a handicap you know if I spent years being indoctrinated my I spent years being indoctrinated my I spent years being indoctrinated my doctorate is an environmental doctorate is an environmental doctorate is an environmental engineering and environmental engineering and environmental engineering and environmental engineering has its roots in public engineering has its roots in public engineering has its roots in public health I mean it was invented to provide health I mean it was invented to provide health I mean it was invented to provide clean water and clean air so that people clean water and clean air so that people clean water and clean air so that people wouldn't get sick the doctor saves one wouldn't get sick the doctor saves one wouldn't get sick the doctor saves one life at a time you know one patient at a life at a time you know one patient at a life at a time you know one patient at a time but the civil engineer saves time but the civil engineer saves time but the civil engineer saves Millions at least in the sense that Millions at least in the sense that Millions at least in the sense that we're providing the sanitary conditions we're providing the sanitary conditions we're providing the sanitary conditions that keep people that keep people that keep people alive when covid happened at first like alive when covid happened at first like alive when covid happened at first like a lot of people like oh my gosh you know a lot of people like oh my gosh you know a lot of people like oh my gosh you know this is the big one until my eyes were
31:00this is the big one until my eyes were this is the big one until my eyes were opened by an article called The Curve is opened by an article called The Curve is opened by an article called The Curve is already flat I me this is a woman I know already flat I me this is a woman I know already flat I me this is a woman I know and she showed me the CDC data and she and she showed me the CDC data and she and she showed me the CDC data and she said no CO's been in community spread said no CO's been in community spread said no CO's been in community spread for months you know look at the for months you know look at the for months you know look at the influenza like illness reports that were influenza like illness reports that were influenza like illness reports that were coming in in November of 2019 they're coming in in November of 2019 they're coming in in November of 2019 they're available on the CDC website and she was available on the CDC website and she was available on the CDC website and she was right the lockdowns were total crap and right the lockdowns were total crap and right the lockdowns were total crap and so I had a recent experience with her so I had a recent experience with her so I had a recent experience with her her daughter that um caused me to her daughter that um caused me to her daughter that um caused me to question should you even go to the question should you even go to the question should you even go to the medical profession with a broken arm now medical profession with a broken arm now medical profession with a broken arm now I know you should but are you going to I know you should but are you going to I know you should but are you going to get good advice it does not absolve you get good advice it does not absolve you get good advice it does not absolve you of the responsibility for your own care of the responsibility for your own care of the responsibility for your own care correct so her daughter was in a car correct so her daughter was in a car correct so her daughter was in a car crash uh and you know at first she's crash uh and you know at first she's crash uh and you know at first she's shaken up but the adrenal is in there shaken up but the adrenal is in there shaken up but the adrenal is in there and you know she's sore but probably and you know she's sore but probably and you know she's sore but probably fine and her mom said no no no no I fine and her mom said no no no no I fine and her mom said no no no no I think her arm's broken I think I can see
32:00think her arm's broken I think I can see think her arm's broken I think I can see the break through the skin now I'm a d the break through the skin now I'm a d the break through the skin now I'm a d I'm like rub some dirt on it you know I'm like rub some dirt on it you know I'm like rub some dirt on it you know like suck it up buttercup this is my like suck it up buttercup this is my like suck it up buttercup this is my attitude is I would stay away from attitude is I would stay away from attitude is I would stay away from doctors at all costs but Mom insisted on doctors at all costs but Mom insisted on doctors at all costs but Mom insisted on taking the daughter to the Urgent Care taking the daughter to the Urgent Care taking the daughter to the Urgent Care and who am I to say no this seems and who am I to say no this seems and who am I to say no this seems prudent right that's what moms do Urgent prudent right that's what moms do Urgent prudent right that's what moms do Urgent Care x-rayed up no break they said and Care x-rayed up no break they said and Care x-rayed up no break they said and I'm like oh well I'm like oh well I'm like oh well thank goodness you know I'm not thank goodness you know I'm not thank goodness you know I'm not questioning mom's judgment but I'm like questioning mom's judgment but I'm like questioning mom's judgment but I'm like isn't that better there's no break much isn't that better there's no break much isn't that better there's no break much better prognosis she said I don't buy it better prognosis she said I don't buy it better prognosis she said I don't buy it well okay um you know I think your well okay um you know I think your well okay um you know I think your judgment's really good in these respects judgment's really good in these respects judgment's really good in these respects I said she was like give me a minute she I said she was like give me a minute she I said she was like give me a minute she insisted that they print out the ex she insisted that they print out the ex she insisted that they print out the ex she uploaded the images to Gro she said is uploaded the images to Gro she said is uploaded the images to Gro she said is there anything abnormal about these there anything abnormal about these there anything abnormal about these forearm bones BR came back and said forearm bones BR came back and said forearm bones BR came back and said there was a clear fracture in the you there was a clear fracture in the you there was a clear fracture in the you knowa or whatever the heck it was she
33:00knowa or whatever the heck it was she knowa or whatever the heck it was she said no hang on a second is that a said no hang on a second is that a said no hang on a second is that a fracture or is that just you know and fracture or is that just you know and fracture or is that just you know and grock said this is an obvious clear you grock said this is an obvious clear you grock said this is an obvious clear you know delineated no question she uploaded know delineated no question she uploaded know delineated no question she uploaded an image of the wrist and she said is an image of the wrist and she said is an image of the wrist and she said is there anything abnormal about this wrist there anything abnormal about this wrist there anything abnormal about this wrist grock said there is a displaced fracture grock said there is a displaced fracture grock said there is a displaced fracture going through she's like wait a second going through she's like wait a second going through she's like wait a second that doesn't make any sense so she asked that doesn't make any sense so she asked that doesn't make any sense so she asked is this a fractured displac is this a fractured displac is this a fractured displac or is this just some sort of abnormal or is this just some sort of abnormal or is this just some sort of abnormal growth plate Ro says there is no growth plate Ro says there is no growth plate Ro says there is no question this is a displaced fracture in question this is a displaced fracture in question this is a displaced fracture in the wrist she goes grock's probably just the wrist she goes grock's probably just the wrist she goes grock's probably just fracture happen gr I could upload fracture happen gr I could upload fracture happen gr I could upload Simpsons cartoon and grock will say Simpsons cartoon and grock will say Simpsons cartoon and grock will say that's a fracture you know so she that's a fracture you know so she that's a fracture you know so she uploaded the X-ray of the shoulder uploaded the X-ray of the shoulder uploaded the X-ray of the shoulder anything unusual is there a break in anything unusual is there a break in anything unusual is there a break in this x-ray groc said no it looks great this x-ray groc said no it looks great this x-ray groc said no it looks great Urgent Care got it wrong and so she said Urgent Care got it wrong and so she said Urgent Care got it wrong and so she said we're going to the like hpal we're going we're going to the like hpal we're going we're going to the like hpal we're going to see the ortho they rexray everything
34:00to see the ortho they rexray everything to see the ortho they rexray everything and they put the daughter in a cats and they put the daughter in a cats and they put the daughter in a cats because guess what she had a fracture in because guess what she had a fracture in because guess what she had a fracture in her forearm and in her wrist she's you her forearm and in her wrist she's you her forearm and in her wrist she's you know goes through the throbby pain know goes through the throbby pain know goes through the throbby pain that's associated with kind of a late that's associated with kind of a late that's associated with kind of a late set of a fracture like that she's going set of a fracture like that she's going set of a fracture like that she's going to be fine at least as far as I know but to be fine at least as far as I know but to be fine at least as far as I know but it opened my eyes again you can't trust it opened my eyes again you can't trust it opened my eyes again you can't trust anybody except maybe your mom I don't anybody except maybe your mom I don't anybody except maybe your mom I don't know the point is that when you're a know the point is that when you're a know the point is that when you're a patient PA and you're in pain maybe patient PA and you're in pain maybe patient PA and you're in pain maybe you're taking painkillers you are in no you're taking painkillers you are in no you're taking painkillers you are in no position to make good decisions for position to make good decisions for position to make good decisions for yourself you are scared You're yourself you are scared You're yourself you are scared You're vulnerable and you really need an vulnerable and you really need an vulnerable and you really need an advocate in this in the case of this advocate in this in the case of this advocate in this in the case of this young woman you know it was her mom and young woman you know it was her mom and young woman you know it was her mom and her mom knew what resources to engage in her mom knew what resources to engage in her mom knew what resources to engage in the case of a pregnant woman maybe it the case of a pregnant woman maybe it the case of a pregnant woman maybe it would be a doula you know someone who's would be a doula you know someone who's would be a doula you know someone who's planned out things ahead of time who has planned out things ahead of time who has planned out things ahead of time who has they're not a medical expert but they they're not a medical expert but they they're not a medical expert but they are a aware of what the options are and are a aware of what the options are and are a aware of what the options are and they know how to ask the right questions
35:00they know how to ask the right questions they know how to ask the right questions patients in America are exploited patients in America are exploited patients in America are exploited because they're vulnerable when you have because they're vulnerable when you have because they're vulnerable when you have an advocate to ask these right questions an advocate to ask these right questions an advocate to ask these right questions you know don't confuse my medical degree you know don't confuse my medical degree you know don't confuse my medical degree with your internet search it's such an with your internet search it's such an with your internet search it's such an insecure defensive sort of insecure defensive sort of insecure defensive sort of shaming tactic any radiologist should shaming tactic any radiologist should shaming tactic any radiologist should encourage you to take your images to a encourage you to take your images to a encourage you to take your images to a second opinion to Gro so you can second opinion to Gro so you can second opinion to Gro so you can understand better on your own own time understand better on your own own time understand better on your own own time what's happening inside your body or the what's happening inside your body or the what's happening inside your body or the body of a loved one and so I agree with body of a loved one and so I agree with body of a loved one and so I agree with you you break a bone get some of that you you break a bone get some of that you you break a bone get some of that Western medical attention x-rays are a Western medical attention x-rays are a Western medical attention x-rays are a wonderful insight into what we would wonderful insight into what we would wonderful insight into what we would never be able to see and don't trust never be able to see and don't trust never be able to see and don't trust anything they tell you right until anything they tell you right until anything they tell you right until you're able to cross check it for you're able to cross check it for you're able to cross check it for yourself or with someone who is Cent and yourself or with someone who is Cent and yourself or with someone who is Cent and inquisitive and thinking about all the inquisitive and thinking about all the inquisitive and thinking about all the different perspectives that you can different perspectives that you can different perspectives that you can collect it's such a good point it's um I collect it's such a good point it's um I collect it's such a good point it's um I recently posted something on my socials
36:00recently posted something on my socials recently posted something on my socials and it was basically a famous doctor and it was basically a famous doctor and it was basically a famous doctor he's a famous TI Tok doctor so do with he's a famous TI Tok doctor so do with he's a famous TI Tok doctor so do with that what you will but this guy's got that what you will but this guy's got that what you will but this guy's got millions of followers and he's he's he's millions of followers and he's he's he's millions of followers and he's he's he's fighting back about about the quote fighting back about about the quote fighting back about about the quote unquote misinformation about seed dos unquote misinformation about seed dos unquote misinformation about seed dos he's saying seed dos are perfectly he's saying seed dos are perfectly he's saying seed dos are perfectly healthy and it's not important what you healthy and it's not important what you healthy and it's not important what you saw on social media it's not important saw on social media it's not important saw on social media it's not important what you think it's not important what what you think it's not important what what you think it's not important what these health coaches tell you it's these health coaches tell you it's these health coaches tell you it's important what the data shows and I was important what the data shows and I was important what the data shows and I was like man doesn't that sound an awful lot like man doesn't that sound an awful lot like man doesn't that sound an awful lot like gas lighting doesn't that sound an like gas lighting doesn't that sound an like gas lighting doesn't that sound an awful lot like hey ignore the thousands awful lot like hey ignore the thousands awful lot like hey ignore the thousands of people that are like since I cut out of people that are like since I cut out of people that are like since I cut out seed oils my life has markedly improved seed oils my life has markedly improved seed oils my life has markedly improved ignore all of those they're they're the ignore all of those they're they're the ignore all of those they're they're the crazy people they've just been caught up crazy people they've just been caught up crazy people they've just been caught up in some kind of collective hypnosis of in some kind of collective hypnosis of in some kind of collective hypnosis of health and and it's the same thing with health and and it's the same thing with health and and it's the same thing with you know coal plunges you're always you know coal plunges you're always you know coal plunges you're always going to see that and and then you have going to see that and and then you have going to see that and and then you have to square the circle that I believe to square the circle that I believe to square the circle that I believe medical mistakes are the fourth leading medical mistakes are the fourth leading medical mistakes are the fourth leading cause of death in the United States cause of death in the United States cause of death in the United States anymore they moved up depending upon anymore they moved up depending upon anymore they moved up depending upon whom you site it is either the number whom you site it is either the number whom you site it is either the number one cause of death in the United States one cause of death in the United States one cause of death in the United States not only chronic illness but iatrogenic
37:00not only chronic illness but iatrogenic not only chronic illness but iatrogenic injury or it's number three and I don't injury or it's number three and I don't injury or it's number three and I don't care which data you know you're going to care which data you know you're going to care which data you know you're going to look at number one number three it's look at number one number three it's look at number one number three it's obviously way the hell out of control obviously way the hell out of control obviously way the hell out of control and a big source of this iatrogenic and a big source of this iatrogenic and a big source of this iatrogenic injury is injury is injury is overdiagnosis the ironic thing about the overdiagnosis the ironic thing about the overdiagnosis the ironic thing about the United States is that the greater the United States is that the greater the United States is that the greater the reputation of the physician the more reputation of the physician the more reputation of the physician the more likely the the overdiagnosis and likely the the overdiagnosis and likely the the overdiagnosis and iatrogenic injury because of such iatrogenic injury because of such iatrogenic injury because of such respects you know for the great I have respects you know for the great I have respects you know for the great I have the best doctors in the world I'm at the the best doctors in the world I'm at the the best doctors in the world I'm at the Stanford Medical Center they have the Stanford Medical Center they have the Stanford Medical Center they have the most advanced and the most sensitive most advanced and the most sensitive most advanced and the most sensitive detection methods and you know if we're detection methods and you know if we're detection methods and you know if we're have the money and we have the access we have the money and we have the access we have the money and we have the access we feel privileged we want to take feel privileged we want to take feel privileged we want to take advantage of it who knew that breast advantage of it who knew that breast advantage of it who knew that breast cancer screening mamography in women cancer screening mamography in women cancer screening mamography in women under 30 would under 30 would under 30 would increase all cause mortality because
38:00increase all cause mortality because increase all cause mortality because don't we want to catch it early this don't we want to catch it early this don't we want to catch it early this bull crap about you know follow the data bull crap about you know follow the data bull crap about you know follow the data has which sounds entirely reasonable has has which sounds entirely reasonable has has which sounds entirely reasonable has been abused to as you said Gaslight the been abused to as you said Gaslight the been abused to as you said Gaslight the public and it came to light for me when public and it came to light for me when public and it came to light for me when dony Bou would say well there is no dony Bou would say well there is no dony Bou would say well there is no evidence of that well there's no science evidence of that well there's no science evidence of that well there's no science behind that while he was systematically behind that while he was systematically behind that while he was systematically in his role at the NIH suppressing the in his role at the NIH suppressing the in his role at the NIH suppressing the studies withholding the funding that studies withholding the funding that studies withholding the funding that would have created the evidence that would have created the evidence that would have created the evidence that would have funded the science when a would have funded the science when a would have funded the science when a scientist hears well there's no evidence scientist hears well there's no evidence scientist hears well there's no evidence for that phenomena there's like well for that phenomena there's like well for that phenomena there's like well that's a great hypothesis we should that's a great hypothesis we should that's a great hypothesis we should investigate that the scientific response investigate that the scientific response investigate that the scientific response is curiosity bou's response was is curiosity bou's response was is curiosity bou's response was suppression so that he could go on suppression so that he could go on suppression so that he could go on social media and say well there's no social media and say well there's no social media and say well there's no evidence for that and by the way I have evidence for that and by the way I have evidence for that and by the way I have like de not declined I have rejected like de not declined I have rejected like de not declined I have rejected every funding proposal ever presented to every funding proposal ever presented to every funding proposal ever presented to the people over whom I have purview that
39:00the people over whom I have purview that the people over whom I have purview that would answer that question the the would answer that question the the would answer that question the the follow the data there's no evidence and follow the data there's no evidence and follow the data there's no evidence and evidence-based me uh medicine have all evidence-based me uh medicine have all evidence-based me uh medicine have all become catchphrases of abuse when really become catchphrases of abuse when really become catchphrases of abuse when really they should be sort of you know the they should be sort of you know the they should be sort of you know the inspirational lighthouses by which we inspirational lighthouses by which we inspirational lighthouses by which we navigate our medical course so I'm I'm navigate our medical course so I'm I'm navigate our medical course so I'm I'm kind of pissed about it yeah then god kind of pissed about it yeah then god kind of pissed about it yeah then god I'm an engineer and there's some things I'm an engineer and there's some things I'm an engineer and there's some things going on inside the body that I don't going on inside the body that I don't going on inside the body that I don't understand I build machines and I build understand I build machines and I build understand I build machines and I build these machines that are supposed to these machines that are supposed to these machines that are supposed to recreate for you the the environmental recreate for you the the environmental recreate for you the the environmental experiences that you're probably not experiences that you're probably not experiences that you're probably not having for me I'm not going swimming in having for me I'm not going swimming in having for me I'm not going swimming in the ocean like I should you know like the ocean like I should you know like the ocean like I should you know like I'm genetically designed to do I live in I'm genetically designed to do I live in I'm genetically designed to do I live in Phoenix I live in this high-rise Phoenix I live in this high-rise Phoenix I live in this high-rise apartment so instead I build the apartment so instead I build the apartment so instead I build the machines that simulate the ocean that machines that simulate the ocean that machines that simulate the ocean that give my body the environment that allows give my body the environment that allows give my body the environment that allows my body to heat itself or heal itself
40:00my body to heat itself or heal itself my body to heat itself or heal itself and as a result that probably you know and as a result that probably you know and as a result that probably you know put some enies out of business yeah good put some enies out of business yeah good put some enies out of business yeah good I'm glad I'm glad because it's it's it's I'm glad I'm glad because it's it's it's I'm glad I'm glad because it's it's it's just really something man I think you just really something man I think you just really something man I think you know this if if we can no longer trust know this if if we can no longer trust know this if if we can no longer trust the science the the corporate captured the science the the corporate captured the science the the corporate captured science then what we are left with is science then what we are left with is science then what we are left with is citizen scientists and people and citizen scientists and people and citizen scientists and people and Engineers are special breed the way Engineers are special breed the way Engineers are special breed the way their mind works the way they question their mind works the way they question their mind works the way they question things like you know like Dave Felman in things like you know like Dave Felman in things like you know like Dave Felman in the cholesterol space challenging that the cholesterol space challenging that the cholesterol space challenging that whole highp hypothesis you hear whole highp hypothesis you hear whole highp hypothesis you hear challenging this it's going to take that challenging this it's going to take that challenging this it's going to take that and I think we shouldn't be afraid of and I think we shouldn't be afraid of and I think we shouldn't be afraid of that um challenge I think we should meet that um challenge I think we should meet that um challenge I think we should meet it with curiosity exactly like you said it with curiosity exactly like you said it with curiosity exactly like you said that's the essence of the scientific that's the essence of the scientific that's the essence of the scientific method right and I am not a scientist I method right and I am not a scientist I method right and I am not a scientist I am a bro scientist so my my Phil am a bro scientist so my my Phil am a bro scientist so my my Phil philosophy has always been about what philosophy has always been about what philosophy has always been about what can increase the gains and get me the can increase the gains and get me the can increase the gains and get me the healthiest possible and this is what healthiest possible and this is what healthiest possible and this is what really caught my eye about this because really caught my eye about this because really caught my eye about this because I was citing unbeknown to myself what I was citing unbeknown to myself what I was citing unbeknown to myself what you had popularized which was that ice you had popularized which was that ice you had popularized which was that ice batter actually potentially harmful batter actually potentially harmful batter actually potentially harmful post-workout for the gains that they can
41:00post-workout for the gains that they can post-workout for the gains that they can actually blunt the recovery response or actually blunt the recovery response or actually blunt the recovery response or the testosterone response but precooling the testosterone response but precooling the testosterone response but precooling or or before can massively accelerate so or or before can massively accelerate so or or before can massively accelerate so uh tell me a little bit more about that uh tell me a little bit more about that uh tell me a little bit more about that story because it's not a free pass story because it's not a free pass story because it's not a free pass completely with cold plunging right completely with cold plunging right completely with cold plunging right there's a little bit of delicacy with there's a little bit of delicacy with there's a little bit of delicacy with the timing and when you do it depending the timing and when you do it depending the timing and when you do it depending on what your goals are for men on what your goals are for men on what your goals are for men especially um a little bit exercise especially um a little bit exercise especially um a little bit exercise after your C punch has huge met abolic after your C punch has huge met abolic after your C punch has huge met abolic uh anabolic uh anabolic uh anabolic benefits the best work that I've seen is benefits the best work that I've seen is benefits the best work that I've seen is coming out of Stanford it's Craig hel's coming out of Stanford it's Craig hel's coming out of Stanford it's Craig hel's lab and huberman had him on he was lab and huberman had him on he was lab and huberman had him on he was asking about this term called per asking about this term called per asking about this term called per cooling so pre-cooling is you exerise or cooling so pre-cooling is you exerise or cooling so pre-cooling is you exerise or sorry you cool before your exercise uh sorry you cool before your exercise uh sorry you cool before your exercise uh and then you could post cool you know um and then you could post cool you know um and then you could post cool you know um you do an ice bath after your workout PR you do an ice bath after your workout PR you do an ice bath after your workout PR cooling is when you're doing heat cooling is when you're doing heat cooling is when you're doing heat extraction cooling between extraction cooling between extraction cooling between and this is what hel did he devised a a
42:00and this is what hel did he devised a a and this is what hel did he devised a a machine in which you insert your hands machine in which you insert your hands machine in which you insert your hands that applies a vacuum so that the blood that applies a vacuum so that the blood that applies a vacuum so that the blood will stay circulating through your hands will stay circulating through your hands will stay circulating through your hands and it extracts heat through the Palms and it extracts heat through the Palms and it extracts heat through the Palms when he tested both highly trained so when he tested both highly trained so when he tested both highly trained so these were pro athletes and just young these were pro athletes and just young these were pro athletes and just young men who weren't trained but he tested men who weren't trained but he tested men who weren't trained but he tested this per cooling effect it's called cool this per cooling effect it's called cool this per cooling effect it's called cool Min you can buy it online he saw Min you can buy it online he saw Min you can buy it online he saw enormous gains in Peak muscle output and enormous gains in Peak muscle output and enormous gains in Peak muscle output and in endurance in endurance in endurance physiologically it makes sense your physiologically it makes sense your physiologically it makes sense your mitochondria are producing the ATP on mitochondria are producing the ATP on mitochondria are producing the ATP on which your muscles depend exercise which your muscles depend exercise which your muscles depend exercise relies on mitochondria and if your relies on mitochondria and if your relies on mitochondria and if your mitochondria get overheated then fatigue mitochondria get overheated then fatigue mitochondria get overheated then fatigue sets in this is your body's way of sets in this is your body's way of sets in this is your body's way of protecting the mitochondria from damage protecting the mitochondria from damage protecting the mitochondria from damage making it psychologically making it psychologically making it psychologically physiologically and psychologically more physiologically and psychologically more physiologically and psychologically more difficult to continue the exercise difficult to continue the exercise difficult to continue the exercise because too much of a good thing is too because too much of a good thing is too because too much of a good thing is too much turns into a bad this is the much turns into a bad this is the much turns into a bad this is the classic upside down view of the hormetic
43:00classic upside down view of the hormetic classic upside down view of the hormetic stress curve so fatigue is your body's stress curve so fatigue is your body's stress curve so fatigue is your body's way of protecting the mitochondria when way of protecting the mitochondria when way of protecting the mitochondria when you extract heat from the body the you extract heat from the body the you extract heat from the body the mitochondria just keep going they no mitochondria just keep going they no mitochondria just keep going they no longer and reach that edge of risk at longer and reach that edge of risk at longer and reach that edge of risk at which you must feel fatigue to keep them which you must feel fatigue to keep them which you must feel fatigue to keep them protected so precooling is one way of protected so precooling is one way of protected so precooling is one way of extending your Endor that is a extending your Endor that is a extending your Endor that is a postponing fatigue boosting Peak muscle postponing fatigue boosting Peak muscle postponing fatigue boosting Peak muscle output and per cool in between sets is output and per cool in between sets is output and per cool in between sets is another way of extracting that excess another way of extracting that excess another way of extracting that excess heat from the body so that you can heat from the body so that you can heat from the body so that you can produce more energy but post cooling produce more energy but post cooling produce more energy but post cooling doesn't do it you are far better off doesn't do it you are far better off doesn't do it you are far better off after your workout doing a SE than you after your workout doing a SE than you after your workout doing a SE than you are to do cooling one sort of triple are to do cooling one sort of triple are to do cooling one sort of triple stat that has not been investigated in stat that has not been investigated in stat that has not been investigated in the scientific literature is pre-cooling the scientific literature is pre-cooling the scientific literature is pre-cooling with the cold and then exercise and then
44:00with the cold and then exercise and then with the cold and then exercise and then post exercise recovery with the Sona we post exercise recovery with the Sona we post exercise recovery with the Sona we know that Sona after exercise is know that Sona after exercise is know that Sona after exercise is beneficial we know that pre-cooling beneficial we know that pre-cooling beneficial we know that pre-cooling exercise is beneficial but nobody yet exercise is beneficial but nobody yet exercise is beneficial but nobody yet has done the study where they all three has done the study where they all three has done the study where they all three to see you know what sort of gains are to see you know what sort of gains are to see you know what sort of gains are available when you really tune your available when you really tune your available when you really tune your thermal contrast therapy to your thermal contrast therapy to your thermal contrast therapy to your exercise I suspect that there's more to exercise I suspect that there's more to exercise I suspect that there's more to be found there and yeah suspect this be found there and yeah suspect this be found there and yeah suspect this just because of the narrative how did it just because of the narrative how did it just because of the narrative how did it work you know you your ancient ancestors work you know you your ancient ancestors work you know you your ancient ancestors would get up in the morning and they'd would get up in the morning and they'd would get up in the morning and they'd be hungry and they'd go fishing and be hungry and they'd go fishing and be hungry and they'd go fishing and they'd go into the water and they would they'd go into the water and they would they'd go into the water and they would gather the shellfish or the whatever gather the shellfish or the whatever gather the shellfish or the whatever they're going to eat and then what would they're going to eat and then what would they're going to eat and then what would they do well they would walk back to they do well they would walk back to they do well they would walk back to wherever they live and they would build wherever they live and they would build wherever they live and they would build a fire and they would cook and they a fire and they would cook and they a fire and they would cook and they would eat there's a certain sequence of would eat there's a certain sequence of would eat there's a certain sequence of things that we are naturally attuned for things that we are naturally attuned for things that we are naturally attuned for and I wouldn't be surprised at all if and I wouldn't be surprised at all if and I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was um in this triple stack called
45:00there was um in this triple stack called there was um in this triple stack called exercise Sona more gains to be found exercise Sona more gains to be found exercise Sona more gains to be found yeah that's really fascinating I hope yeah that's really fascinating I hope yeah that's really fascinating I hope somebody I mean I'm sure there's some somebody I mean I'm sure there's some somebody I mean I'm sure there's some good anic data again and some of our good anic data again and some of our good anic data again and some of our audience will certainly let us know if audience will certainly let us know if audience will certainly let us know if they're doing that but now you're giv me they're doing that but now you're giv me they're doing that but now you're giv me even more motivation to get my two even more motivation to get my two even more motivation to get my two bucket list items I told my wife I can bucket list items I told my wife I can bucket list items I told my wife I can die happy when I've got a nice little die happy when I've got a nice little die happy when I've got a nice little setup outside where I can do the setup outside where I can do the setup outside where I can do the contrast bathing I get myself a Morosco contrast bathing I get myself a Morosco contrast bathing I get myself a Morosco and get myself a nice barel sauna and and get myself a nice barel sauna and and get myself a nice barel sauna and we're going we're going we're going we're going we're going we're going all send we got me animal-based Diet I all send we got me animal-based Diet I all send we got me animal-based Diet I got bunch of meat and and those things I got bunch of meat and and those things I got bunch of meat and and those things I think I'm going to do okay but one of think I'm going to do okay but one of think I'm going to do okay but one of the things that I've always thought the things that I've always thought the things that I've always thought about because it's making sense to me about because it's making sense to me about because it's making sense to me the pre-cooling effect basically this the pre-cooling effect basically this the pre-cooling effect basically this prevention of the overheating of the prevention of the overheating of the prevention of the overheating of the mitochondria and also just the the mitochondria and also just the the mitochondria and also just the the overall systemic health benefits to overall systemic health benefits to overall systemic health benefits to energy production is it safe to say that energy production is it safe to say that energy production is it safe to say that the reason the post-workout um called the reason the post-workout um called the reason the post-workout um called could blunt the testosterone Spike and could blunt the testosterone Spike and could blunt the testosterone Spike and and and even the recovery for and and even the recovery for and and even the recovery for hypertrophy is because it's blunting the hypertrophy is because it's blunting the hypertrophy is because it's blunting the inflam respon like you want a certain inflam respon like you want a certain inflam respon like you want a certain amount of inflammation right because the amount of inflammation right because the amount of inflammation right because the inflammation the cyto kindes is what
46:00inflammation the cyto kindes is what inflammation the cyto kindes is what causes the recovery what what causes the recovery what what causes the recovery what what mechanistically might the cold be doing mechanistically might the cold be doing mechanistically might the cold be doing post-workout to shut down or or lower post-workout to shut down or or lower post-workout to shut down or or lower the testosterone response I suspect that the testosterone response I suspect that the testosterone response I suspect that um what you're talking about is an um what you're talking about is an um what you're talking about is an association rather than a causal association rather than a causal association rather than a causal relationship that the cold will both relationship that the cold will both relationship that the cold will both reduce the inflammation of blun the reduce the inflammation of blun the reduce the inflammation of blun the body's sort of uh um hormetic response body's sort of uh um hormetic response body's sort of uh um hormetic response the hypertrophy the you might be going the hypertrophy the you might be going the hypertrophy the you might be going for from a workout blunt that response for from a workout blunt that response for from a workout blunt that response and then it also blunts the testosterone and then it also blunts the testosterone and then it also blunts the testosterone response now I suspect that these are response now I suspect that these are response now I suspect that these are associated from some deeper root cause associated from some deeper root cause associated from some deeper root cause rather than one happening in the causal rather than one happening in the causal rather than one happening in the causal chain with the other in men of course chain with the other in men of course chain with the other in men of course most of the testosterone is produced in most of the testosterone is produced in most of the testosterone is produced in the the the testes people don't remember that testes people don't remember that testes people don't remember that testosterone is the most important sex testosterone is the most important sex testosterone is the most important sex hormone for both men and women like it's hormone for both men and women like it's hormone for both men and women like it's the dominant sex hormone in women too the dominant sex hormone in women too the dominant sex hormone in women too but in women they have much less maybe but in women they have much less maybe but in women they have much less maybe 10 times less than men just say for the
47:0010 times less than men just say for the 10 times less than men just say for the sake of argument and so in women the sake of argument and so in women the sake of argument and so in women the ovaries produce testosterone they're the ovaries produce testosterone they're the ovaries produce testosterone they're the the female analog of the testes but they the female analog of the testes but they the female analog of the testes but they only produce like one quarter of the only produce like one quarter of the only produce like one quarter of the total testosterone in a woman the rest total testosterone in a woman the rest total testosterone in a woman the rest is coming from the skin fat cells and is coming from the skin fat cells and is coming from the skin fat cells and the adrenal glands so when a woman gets the adrenal glands so when a woman gets the adrenal glands so when a woman gets into the ice bath that stimulates her into the ice bath that stimulates her into the ice bath that stimulates her skin the fat cells and her adrenal gland skin the fat cells and her adrenal gland skin the fat cells and her adrenal gland she gets an instantaneous testosterone she gets an instantaneous testosterone she gets an instantaneous testosterone boost she doesn't even have to exercise boost she doesn't even have to exercise boost she doesn't even have to exercise after wow but a man it's different it's after wow but a man it's different it's after wow but a man it's different it's the function of the testes that are the function of the testes that are the function of the testes that are responsible for male testosterone and I responsible for male testosterone and I responsible for male testosterone and I suspect even though the testes are suspect even though the testes are suspect even though the testes are supposed to be cold cooler than the rest supposed to be cold cooler than the rest supposed to be cold cooler than the rest of the Body for optimal function that of the Body for optimal function that of the Body for optimal function that when you get into the ice bath probably when you get into the ice bath probably when you get into the ice bath probably producing more testosterone is not the producing more testosterone is not the producing more testosterone is not the first thing on your body's mind it might first thing on your body's mind it might first thing on your body's mind it might because the piece of a chemical reaction because the piece of a chemical reaction because the piece of a chemical reaction is often associated with temperature in is often associated with temperature in is often associated with temperature in biological reactions um this general biological reactions um this general biological reactions um this general rule can break down but associated with rule can break down but associated with rule can break down but associated with temperature my guess is that it slows
48:00temperature my guess is that it slows temperature my guess is that it slows down the body's hormetic response to the down the body's hormetic response to the down the body's hormetic response to the exercise when you get into the cold yeah exercise when you get into the cold yeah exercise when you get into the cold yeah afterward and I wish that I had the sort afterward and I wish that I had the sort afterward and I wish that I had the sort of microbiological knowledge I should of microbiological knowledge I should of microbiological knowledge I should probably called Ben Vickman and say what probably called Ben Vickman and say what probably called Ben Vickman and say what the hell is going on you know when you the hell is going on you know when you the hell is going on you know when you do the ice bath afterwards the because do the ice bath afterwards the because do the ice bath afterwards the because I'm an engineer I I'm just looking if it I'm an engineer I I'm just looking if it I'm an engineer I I'm just looking if it were a black box and i' said okay so were a black box and i' said okay so were a black box and i' said okay so we're pulling labs and we're taking a we're pulling labs and we're taking a we're pulling labs and we're taking a look at the data and we can say even if look at the data and we can say even if look at the data and we can say even if we don't know mechanistically what's we don't know mechanistically what's we don't know mechanistically what's going on we can say this is a reliable going on we can say this is a reliable going on we can say this is a reliable Association and in that respect we owe a Association and in that respect we owe a Association and in that respect we owe a huge debt of gratitude to the Bro huge debt of gratitude to the Bro huge debt of gratitude to the Bro scientists ex if you didn't have you scientists ex if you didn't have you scientists ex if you didn't have you know Muscle Beach in California if you know Muscle Beach in California if you know Muscle Beach in California if you didn't have Schwarzenegger and all the didn't have Schwarzenegger and all the didn't have Schwarzenegger and all the other guys who were injecting themselves other guys who were injecting themselves other guys who were injecting themselves experimentally with I was on the Markell experimentally with I was on the Markell experimentally with I was on the Markell podcast you know and he takes levels of podcast you know and he takes levels of podcast you know and he takes levels of steroids that they wouldn't prescribe a steroids that they wouldn't prescribe a steroids that they wouldn't prescribe a racehorse because me and his brother did racehorse because me and his brother did racehorse because me and his brother did a documentary and they experiment on
49:00a documentary and they experiment on a documentary and they experiment on themselves they don't do it without themselves they don't do it without themselves they don't do it without sensitivity they're their own body is sensitivity they're their own body is sensitivity they're their own body is their lab and they're very smart and their lab and they're very smart and their lab and they're very smart and they're looking at what works what they're looking at what works what they're looking at what works what doesn't work so on the one hand you have doesn't work so on the one hand you have doesn't work so on the one hand you have that East German swim team you know of that East German swim team you know of that East German swim team you know of of my youth and they're using of my youth and they're using of my youth and they're using testosterone to improve their swim time testosterone to improve their swim time testosterone to improve their swim time but they're also experiencing all these but they're also experiencing all these but they're also experiencing all these weird side effects because the weird side effects because the weird side effects because the bodybuilders were out there on the bodybuilders were out there on the bodybuilders were out there on the Leading Edge they were the one running Leading Edge they were the one running Leading Edge they were the one running the N equals one experiments sharing the the N equals one experiments sharing the the N equals one experiments sharing the knowledge among themselves they Advanced knowledge among themselves they Advanced knowledge among themselves they Advanced understanding of sex hormones and what understanding of sex hormones and what understanding of sex hormones and what the proper dosages are how to use them the proper dosages are how to use them the proper dosages are how to use them for performance and aesthetic for performance and aesthetic for performance and aesthetic enhancement way further than any enhancement way further than any enhancement way further than any institutional government agency ever institutional government agency ever institutional government agency ever would had the guts or the capacity to do would had the guts or the capacity to do would had the guts or the capacity to do when you say Bro Science it's sort of a when you say Bro Science it's sort of a when you say Bro Science it's sort of a self-deprecating sense of humor and I'm self-deprecating sense of humor and I'm self-deprecating sense of humor and I'm like you stay out on that Leading Edge like you stay out on that Leading Edge like you stay out on that Leading Edge you keep exper you know you're bearing you keep exper you know you're bearing you keep exper you know you're bearing risks that the rest of us didn't have to
50:00risks that the rest of us didn't have to risks that the rest of us didn't have to bear and then sharing the knowledge bear and then sharing the knowledge bear and then sharing the knowledge about what works so that we can take a about what works so that we can take a about what works so that we can take a safer route that is a debt it is a moral safer route that is a debt it is a moral safer route that is a debt it is a moral act to be a bro scientist and as long as act to be a bro scientist and as long as act to be a bro scientist and as long as you're not lying to people and trying to you're not lying to people and trying to you're not lying to people and trying to grift out a living based upon those lies grift out a living based upon those lies grift out a living based upon those lies I think I want to print t-shirts that I think I want to print t-shirts that I think I want to print t-shirts that says it's a moral act to be a bro says it's a moral act to be a bro says it's a moral act to be a bro scientist let's go we're doing it for scientist let's go we're doing it for scientist let's go we're doing it for the Bros I it thank you the Bros I it thank you the Bros I it thank you Thomas take that one um this this thread Thomas take that one um this this thread Thomas take that one um this this thread of the I heard you talk about this in of the I heard you talk about this in of the I heard you talk about this in the past really fascinating the the the past really fascinating the the the past really fascinating the the testosterone boost that women get from testosterone boost that women get from testosterone boost that women get from exposure like even just like the skin on exposure like even just like the skin on exposure like even just like the skin on the elbow down because it's slightly the elbow down because it's slightly the elbow down because it's slightly produced differently I think this might produced differently I think this might produced differently I think this might make the connection to why I've heard make the connection to why I've heard make the connection to why I've heard you say that potentially cold plunging you say that potentially cold plunging you say that potentially cold plunging with a partner can enhance romance build with a partner can enhance romance build with a partner can enhance romance build on that story for me a little bit yeah on that story for me a little bit yeah on that story for me a little bit yeah um this was another one of these weird um this was another one of these weird um this was another one of these weird unexplainable experiences like a a thing unexplainable experiences like a a thing unexplainable experiences like a a thing happened and then I had to go to the happened and then I had to go to the happened and then I had to go to the library and figure out how did this
51:00library and figure out how did this library and figure out how did this happen um I was doing a photo shoot you happen um I was doing a photo shoot you happen um I was doing a photo shoot you know this is early in the days of moras know this is early in the days of moras know this is early in the days of moras Co Forge and we're in Arizona and Sedona Co Forge and we're in Arizona and Sedona Co Forge and we're in Arizona and Sedona is beautiful and we thought okay we're is beautiful and we thought okay we're is beautiful and we thought okay we're going to take a forge up to Sedona we're going to take a forge up to Sedona we're going to take a forge up to Sedona we're going to C with the sun and the you know going to C with the sun and the you know going to C with the sun and the you know and all that stuff the problem is that I and all that stuff the problem is that I and all that stuff the problem is that I was in such an enormous argument with was in such an enormous argument with was in such an enormous argument with the woman with whom I was supposed to do the woman with whom I was supposed to do the woman with whom I was supposed to do the photo shoot now you know she was a the photo shoot now you know she was a the photo shoot now you know she was a great choice as far as I concern uh great choice as far as I concern uh great choice as far as I concern uh she's beautiful and she used to be a she's beautiful and she used to be a she's beautiful and she used to be a runway model and she understands photo runway model and she understands photo runway model and she understands photo shoots and I'm like great we're going to shoots and I'm like great we're going to shoots and I'm like great we're going to do this thing and we were dating at the do this thing and we were dating at the do this thing and we were dating at the time and boy did we resent one another time and boy did we resent one another time and boy did we resent one another you know at the day that photo shoot was you know at the day that photo shoot was you know at the day that photo shoot was supposed to happen my daughter was the supposed to happen my daughter was the supposed to happen my daughter was the videographer and we were videographer and we were videographer and we were procrastinating we did not want to do procrastinating we did not want to do procrastinating we did not want to do this thing at all and she said look this thing at all and she said look this thing at all and she said look we've already lost the light you two we've already lost the light you two we've already lost the light you two have got to get in here you know if have got to get in here you know if have got to get in here you know if we're going to capture anything out of we're going to capture anything out of we're going to capture anything out of this trip then now is the time so
52:00this trip then now is the time so this trip then now is the time so there's a video of us we can't even look there's a video of us we can't even look there's a video of us we can't even look at each other you know we just do it at each other you know we just do it at each other you know we just do it because that's what we agreed to do and because that's what we agreed to do and because that's what we agreed to do and a minute goes by and you can see her a minute goes by and you can see her a minute goes by and you can see her facial expression soft you and shecks a facial expression soft you and shecks a facial expression soft you and shecks a smile and I'm like that's not going too smile and I'm like that's not going too smile and I'm like that's not going too bad you know then she laughes and then bad you know then she laughes and then bad you know then she laughes and then about two minutes she leans in and she about two minutes she leans in and she about two minutes she leans in and she kisses me and we start making out in the kisses me and we start making out in the kisses me and we start making out in the ice bath and my daughter is like cut get ice bath and my daughter is like cut get ice bath and my daughter is like cut get a room you know we've got all we need a room you know we've got all we need a room you know we've got all we need well there's this Rush of noral well there's this Rush of noral well there's this Rush of noral chemicals for her it's testosterone the chemicals for her it's testosterone the chemicals for her it's testosterone the lust hormone and it's happening right lust hormone and it's happening right lust hormone and it's happening right away there's also in both of us dopamine away there's also in both of us dopamine away there's also in both of us dopamine nor nor nor adrenaline adrenaline adrenaline oxytocin vasopressin all of these oxytocin vasopressin all of these oxytocin vasopressin all of these neurotransmitters are being elevated neurotransmitters are being elevated neurotransmitters are being elevated because we're in the cold when we did a because we're in the cold when we did a because we're in the cold when we did a couple other things for the camera um couple other things for the camera um couple other things for the camera um we're holding hands we're staring into
53:00we're holding hands we're staring into we're holding hands we're staring into each other's eyes we're breathing each other's eyes we're breathing each other's eyes we're breathing together it was a God dang Love Potion together it was a God dang Love Potion together it was a God dang Love Potion like we had no choice but to Fall in like we had no choice but to Fall in like we had no choice but to Fall in Love by the way she's never done it with Love by the way she's never done it with Love by the way she's never done it with me again like she's done other ice BS me again like she's done other ice BS me again like she's done other ice BS but we' never you know done it as a but we' never you know done it as a but we' never you know done it as a couple again and maybe it's because couple again and maybe it's because couple again and maybe it's because nobody really wants to lose control over nobody really wants to lose control over nobody really wants to lose control over who they're in love with this who they're in love with this who they're in love with this involuntary response involuntary response involuntary response that you have it's more powerful than that you have it's more powerful than that you have it's more powerful than talk therapy because once there talk therapy because once there talk therapy because once there chemicals and and it's every system of chemicals and and it's every system of chemicals and and it's every system of love the love the Romantic attachment love the love the Romantic attachment love the love the Romantic attachment the familial attachment that Helen the familial attachment that Helen the familial attachment that Helen Fisher talks about of the need to Fisher talks about of the need to Fisher talks about of the need to protect and the bonding hormones they protect and the bonding hormones they protect and the bonding hormones they all happen at once they don't last all happen at once they don't last all happen at once they don't last forever but you can enjoy that moment we forever but you can enjoy that moment we forever but you can enjoy that moment we had a great weekend after we did the ice had a great weekend after we did the ice had a great weekend after we did the ice bath and we went height King we did bath and we went height King we did bath and we went height King we did other things and it felt wonderfully other things and it felt wonderfully other things and it felt wonderfully romantic yeah it's so fascinating I had romantic yeah it's so fascinating I had romantic yeah it's so fascinating I had to go find it right I had to say what to go find it right I had to say what to go find it right I had to say what what really happened and sure enough I
54:00what really happened and sure enough I what really happened and sure enough I published an article that said look published an article that said look published an article that said look these are all the neurotransmitters this these are all the neurotransmitters this these are all the neurotransmitters this is what they do to the brain these are is what they do to the brain these are is what they do to the brain these are the feelings of attachment and romance the feelings of attachment and romance the feelings of attachment and romance and lust that are associated with those and lust that are associated with those and lust that are associated with those and I would love to hear from more and I would love to hear from more and I would love to hear from more couples that do it and feel the same couples that do it and feel the same couples that do it and feel the same kind of bond that I experienced in that kind of bond that I experienced in that kind of bond that I experienced in that moment that's really cool yeah and and moment that's really cool yeah and and moment that's really cool yeah and and again you don't need to know all the again you don't need to know all the again you don't need to know all the mechanisms I guess if it's working and mechanisms I guess if it's working and mechanisms I guess if it's working and you're bonding over something that's you're bonding over something that's you're bonding over something that's initially again and everybody's very initially again and everybody's very initially again and everybody's very tight and frigid and then you get out tight and frigid and then you get out tight and frigid and then you get out and you soften and whether it's even and you soften and whether it's even and you soften and whether it's even just a woman wants to get warm in the just a woman wants to get warm in the just a woman wants to get warm in the arms of a man will take it you know that arms of a man will take it you know that arms of a man will take it you know that I think that's really really cool and I think that's really really cool and I think that's really really cool and I've I've done some Community like you I've I've done some Community like you I've I've done some Community like you know polar plunges and and challenges know polar plunges and and challenges know polar plunges and and challenges and that's you know there's just this is and that's you know there's just this is and that's you know there's just this is a Euphoria you know it's like kind of a Euphoria you know it's like kind of a Euphoria you know it's like kind of getting high on your own Supply you getting high on your own Supply you getting high on your own Supply you don't need anything outside of you you don't need anything outside of you you don't need anything outside of you you just need to get your ass in the cold just need to get your ass in the cold just need to get your ass in the cold and all of a sudden your your brain and and all of a sudden your your brain and and all of a sudden your your brain and your physiology is just swimming in this your physiology is just swimming in this your physiology is just swimming in this soup of feel-good chemicals and I know soup of feel-good chemicals and I know soup of feel-good chemicals and I know we've talked and and kind of like we've talked and and kind of like we've talked and and kind of like adnasium in the huberman space he's adnasium in the huberman space he's adnasium in the huberman space he's talked about dopamine 200% elevated for
55:00talked about dopamine 200% elevated for talked about dopamine 200% elevated for 6 hours but there's so much going on and 6 hours but there's so much going on and 6 hours but there's so much going on and feeling is believing is what I always feeling is believing is what I always feeling is believing is what I always say so I know it's hard for some people say so I know it's hard for some people say so I know it's hard for some people to convince themselves to try it because to convince themselves to try it because to convince themselves to try it because they're so fearful of the water but they're so fearful of the water but they're so fearful of the water but feeling is believing you know give it feeling is believing you know give it feeling is believing you know give it give it a shot and see how you feel give it a shot and see how you feel give it a shot and see how you feel afterwards and and on that note I really afterwards and and on that note I really afterwards and and on that note I really like your advice um about how you tell like your advice um about how you tell like your advice um about how you tell people where to start like what people where to start like what people where to start like what temperature and what time so give me temperature and what time so give me temperature and what time so give me give me where you suggest people begin give me where you suggest people begin give me where you suggest people begin with that question I was at the global with that question I was at the global with that question I was at the global Wellness Institute in Scotland this is Wellness Institute in Scotland this is Wellness Institute in Scotland this is like St Andrews you know some Resort in like St Andrews you know some Resort in like St Andrews you know some Resort in Scotland and I had to take a cab back to Scotland and I had to take a cab back to Scotland and I had to take a cab back to the Edinburgh airport uh because then the Edinburgh airport uh because then the Edinburgh airport uh because then I'm going to fly to hro and then change I'm going to fly to hro and then change I'm going to fly to hro and then change plans and Ne in by a few my cab asked me plans and Ne in by a few my cab asked me plans and Ne in by a few my cab asked me about cold exposure and BEC I'm like no about cold exposure and BEC I'm like no about cold exposure and BEC I'm like no this is how you know we' really gone this is how you know we' really gone this is how you know we' really gone main strein he says what's the optimal main strein he says what's the optimal main strein he says what's the optimal time time time temperature I'm so I'm sick of this
56:00temperature I'm so I'm sick of this temperature I'm so I'm sick of this question and I'm refused to answer it question and I'm refused to answer it question and I'm refused to answer it but I got 45 minutes before I even get but I got 45 minutes before I even get but I got 45 minutes before I even get to the airport and I'm not a one going to the airport and I'm not a one going to the airport and I'm not a one going to piss off my cab driver and I said to piss off my cab driver and I said to piss off my cab driver and I said well you know there is no optimal time well you know there is no optimal time well you know there is no optimal time and temperature think of it like and temperature think of it like and temperature think of it like weightlifting and I didn't know how to weightlifting and I didn't know how to weightlifting and I didn't know how to answer the question until this cab ride answer the question until this cab ride answer the question until this cab ride there's no optimal weight or number of there's no optimal weight or number of there's no optimal weight or number of Reps for you it depends upon what's your Reps for you it depends upon what's your Reps for you it depends upon what's your previous state of training what's your previous state of training what's your previous state of training what's your current state of health and if you say current state of health and if you say current state of health and if you say weightlifting everybody gets it because weightlifting everybody gets it because weightlifting everybody gets it because we have some experience with lifting we have some experience with lifting we have some experience with lifting weights the right bench press for me is weights the right bench press for me is weights the right bench press for me is not the right bench press for Andrew not the right bench press for Andrew not the right bench press for Andrew huberman you know that if huberman says huberman you know that if huberman says huberman you know that if huberman says oh well I'm doing uh 250 10 sets with oh well I'm doing uh 250 10 sets with oh well I'm doing uh 250 10 sets with something I couldn't even get off my something I couldn't even get off my something I couldn't even get off my chest start your cold at a temperature chest start your cold at a temperature chest start your cold at a temperature that makes you feel the gas reflex stay that makes you feel the gas reflex stay that makes you feel the gas reflex stay in the bath long enough to feel the urge
57:00in the bath long enough to feel the urge in the bath long enough to feel the urge to shiver these are the rules of thumb to shiver these are the rules of thumb to shiver these are the rules of thumb that allow you to monitor your own body that allow you to monitor your own body that allow you to monitor your own body and we were doing weights you might say and we were doing weights you might say and we were doing weights you might say the same advice to me you might say okay the same advice to me you might say okay the same advice to me you might say okay we're going to start shoulder press we're going to start shoulder press we're going to start shoulder press we're going to start with a weight that we're going to start with a weight that we're going to start with a weight that you can lift maybe 11 12 times to you can lift maybe 11 12 times to you can lift maybe 11 12 times to failure whatever weight that is for you failure whatever weight that is for you failure whatever weight that is for you we're going to figure it out and then we're going to figure it out and then we're going to figure it out and then we're going to build from there cold is we're going to build from there cold is we're going to build from there cold is the same way start cold enough to gas go the same way start cold enough to gas go the same way start cold enough to gas go long enough to sh long enough to sh long enough to sh and then after you have maybe it's 2 and then after you have maybe it's 2 and then after you have maybe it's 2 weeks of experience because that's about weeks of experience because that's about weeks of experience because that's about how long it takes to recruit new Brown how long it takes to recruit new Brown how long it takes to recruit new Brown fat you're not going to feel the shiver fat you're not going to feel the shiver fat you're not going to feel the shiver urge anymore it would take longer urge anymore it would take longer urge anymore it would take longer probably too long and it's okay the probably too long and it's okay the probably too long and it's okay the brown thought is now giving you brown thought is now giving you brown thought is now giving you non-shivering non-shivering non-shivering thermogenesis right so instead of thermogenesis right so instead of thermogenesis right so instead of looking for the optimal looking for the optimal looking for the optimal protocol GA by the response you have in protocol GA by the response you have in protocol GA by the response you have in your body if you're gasping at 60° which your body if you're gasping at 60° which your body if you're gasping at 60° which a lot of people a lot of people a lot of people that's cold enough for you if you're that's cold enough for you if you're that's cold enough for you if you're shivering you know after 3 minutes
58:00shivering you know after 3 minutes shivering you know after 3 minutes that's long enough for you but it won't that's long enough for you but it won't that's long enough for you but it won't be not after a week you'll be like H 60 be not after a week you'll be like H 60 be not after a week you'll be like H 60 is boring you'll have to take it down is boring you'll have to take it down is boring you'll have to take it down you can in a Morosco you can control the you can in a Morosco you can control the you can in a Morosco you can control the temperature and what I typically say to temperature and what I typically say to temperature and what I typically say to people is you know start at 55 go down people is you know start at 55 go down people is you know start at 55 go down one degree Fahrenheit per day if you can one degree Fahrenheit per day if you can one degree Fahrenheit per day if you can do 55 you can do 54 if you can do 54 you do 55 you can do 54 if you can do 54 you do 55 you can do 54 if you can do 54 you can do 53 and you sort of fool your next can do 53 and you sort of fool your next can do 53 and you sort of fool your next thing you know you're at 36° I got a thing you know you're at 36° I got a thing you know you're at 36° I got a call from a friend and he said this call from a friend and he said this call from a friend and he said this isn't getting any easier and I said well isn't getting any easier and I said well isn't getting any easier and I said well you been out at how long he goes about 3 you been out at how long he goes about 3 you been out at how long he goes about 3 weeks you know I just go down one degree weeks you know I just go down one degree weeks you know I just go down one degree Fahrenheit and it still feels miserable Fahrenheit and it still feels miserable Fahrenheit and it still feels miserable I go well maybe that's because you're I go well maybe that's because you're I go well maybe that's because you're making it harder every day just a little making it harder every day just a little making it harder every day just a little bit how about you hang out at 36 degrees bit how about you hang out at 36 degrees bit how about you hang out at 36 degrees for a little while see how that goes for for a little while see how that goes for for a little while see how that goes for you I have yet to meet any whether it's you I have yet to meet any whether it's you I have yet to meet any whether it's Joe Rogan or anybody who says yeah I got Joe Rogan or anybody who says yeah I got Joe Rogan or anybody who says yeah I got bored at 35 you know there's some level bored at 35 you know there's some level bored at 35 you know there's some level that still activates all of us no matter
59:00that still activates all of us no matter that still activates all of us no matter what our level of experience but for me what our level of experience but for me what our level of experience but for me if it's in the 40s it feels like I can if it's in the 40s it feels like I can if it's in the 40s it feels like I can stay in there forever it's uh really I stay in there forever it's uh really I stay in there forever it's uh really I love the analogy of comparing it to the love the analogy of comparing it to the love the analogy of comparing it to the gym because it's similar there's gym because it's similar there's gym because it's similar there's something we use in in training people something we use in in training people something we use in in training people is tell them to use something called an is tell them to use something called an is tell them to use something called an rpe scale which stands for rate of rpe scale which stands for rate of rpe scale which stands for rate of perceived exerion so one being this is perceived exerion so one being this is perceived exerion so one being this is no issue to tend be complete failure no issue to tend be complete failure no issue to tend be complete failure there might be something like that with there might be something like that with there might be something like that with the co plunge and you've put language to the co plunge and you've put language to the co plunge and you've put language to it like does it gasp make you Casp and it like does it gasp make you Casp and it like does it gasp make you Casp and does it you know get you to shiver does it you know get you to shiver does it you know get you to shiver that's kind of like I say to people it's that's kind of like I say to people it's that's kind of like I say to people it's not a wasted St set but you could almost not a wasted St set but you could almost not a wasted St set but you could almost see it as a warm-up until you start see it as a warm-up until you start see it as a warm-up until you start flirting with seven eight nine out of 10 flirting with seven eight nine out of 10 flirting with seven eight nine out of 10 RP you're not causing the adaptation to RP you're not causing the adaptation to RP you're not causing the adaptation to the muscle to signal to grow and rebuild the muscle to signal to grow and rebuild the muscle to signal to grow and rebuild so there's something there to that lot so there's something there to that lot so there's something there to that lot of f yeah and then you know like lifting of f yeah and then you know like lifting of f yeah and then you know like lifting more weight as you get stronger I think more weight as you get stronger I think more weight as you get stronger I think people ask the question for good reasons people ask the question for good reasons people ask the question for good reasons when you get a prescription everybody when you get a prescription everybody when you get a prescription everybody asks the doctor how many pills should I
1:00asks the doctor how many pills should I asks the doctor how many pills should I take when should I take them you get take when should I take them you get take when should I take them you get Specific Instructions and you're led to Specific Instructions and you're led to Specific Instructions and you're led to believe by the doctor or the believe by the doctor or the believe by the doctor or the pharmaceutical company that this is the pharmaceutical company that this is the pharmaceutical company that this is the right dose that this is the result of right dose that this is the result of right dose that this is the result of tens of thousands of Trials and they tens of thousands of Trials and they tens of thousands of Trials and they have distilled down for you the optimal have distilled down for you the optimal have distilled down for you the optimal dose nobody ever got a prescription and dose nobody ever got a prescription and dose nobody ever got a prescription and said well you know uh take enough until said well you know uh take enough until said well you know uh take enough until you feel like puking and then back off a you feel like puking and then back off a you feel like puking and then back off a little or you know whatever the heck little or you know whatever the heck little or you know whatever the heck like body said this and so they come to like body said this and so they come to like body said this and so they come to me and they say well what's the me and they say well what's the me and they say well what's the prescription there is no prescription I prescription there is no prescription I prescription there is no prescription I don't think there's a prescription when don't think there's a prescription when don't think there's a prescription when it comes to drugs and I don't think it comes to drugs and I don't think it comes to drugs and I don't think there's a prescription when it comes to there's a prescription when it comes to there's a prescription when it comes to weight training and there's no weight training and there's no weight training and there's no prescription when it comes to cold you prescription when it comes to cold you prescription when it comes to cold you must monitor the response in your body must monitor the response in your body must monitor the response in your body to titrate the right dose for your to titrate the right dose for your to titrate the right dose for your objectives yeah well what you're doing objectives yeah well what you're doing objectives yeah well what you're doing again which I really love is you're again which I really love is you're again which I really love is you're encouraging the person to take back the encouraging the person to take back the encouraging the person to take back the locus of authority you are not saying locus of authority you are not saying locus of authority you are not saying hey look at me I designed the best Cal hey look at me I designed the best Cal hey look at me I designed the best Cal Plunge in the game so this is is the way Plunge in the game so this is is the way Plunge in the game so this is is the way it is you're saying listen to your own it is you're saying listen to your own it is you're saying listen to your own innate piece of wonderful intelligence
1:01innate piece of wonderful intelligence innate piece of wonderful intelligence and it will tell you what you need to go and it will tell you what you need to go and it will tell you what you need to go like you don't need the doctor to have like you don't need the doctor to have like you don't need the doctor to have all of this that's external locus of all of this that's external locus of all of this that's external locus of authority that I need to be told what to authority that I need to be told what to authority that I need to be told what to do what to eat what to think what to say do what to eat what to think what to say do what to eat what to think what to say what not to do versus like how do you what not to do versus like how do you what not to do versus like how do you feel about that get in around and feel about that get in around and feel about that get in around and find out the kids say so around and find out the kids say so around and find out the kids say so around and find out okay but here's a problem this find out okay but here's a problem this find out okay but here's a problem this is be a good time for your listeners to is be a good time for your listeners to is be a good time for your listeners to hit fast forward uh I got a paper that I hit fast forward uh I got a paper that I hit fast forward uh I got a paper that I revisit visited this morning it's by revisit visited this morning it's by revisit visited this morning it's by Abraham maslo probably the most famous Abraham maslo probably the most famous Abraham maslo probably the most famous American psychologist ever right it's American psychologist ever right it's American psychologist ever right it's all about self-actualization and stuff all about self-actualization and stuff all about self-actualization and stuff but in but in but in 1963 he wrote a paper called the need to 1963 he wrote a paper called the need to 1963 he wrote a paper called the need to know and the fear of knowing he was know and the fear of knowing he was know and the fear of knowing he was curious he's like why do monkeys like in curious he's like why do monkeys like in curious he's like why do monkeys like in haro's lab when he was a graduate haro's lab when he was a graduate haro's lab when he was a graduate student in Wisconsin why do monkeys fill student in Wisconsin why do monkeys fill student in Wisconsin why do monkeys fill with puzzles even if they don't get any with puzzles even if they don't get any with puzzles even if they don't get any Prize or maybe they get a a food reward Prize or maybe they get a a food reward Prize or maybe they get a a food reward and then they discard the food reward and then they discard the food reward and then they discard the food reward what is it about the Curiosity the need
1:02what is it about the Curiosity the need what is it about the Curiosity the need to know that will motivate people to to know that will motivate people to to know that will motivate people to work on things just for the satisfaction work on things just for the satisfaction work on things just for the satisfaction of the knowledge and so he goes a little of the knowledge and so he goes a little of the knowledge and so he goes a little bit into that and speculates and he said bit into that and speculates and he said bit into that and speculates and he said but the fear of know he says deeply but the fear of know he says deeply but the fear of know he says deeply rooted in our both our mythology and if rooted in our both our mythology and if rooted in our both our mythology and if you're uh in one of the abrahamic you're uh in one of the abrahamic you're uh in one of the abrahamic religions sort of the re the origin of religions sort of the re the origin of religions sort of the re the origin of your religion is the tree of knowledge your religion is the tree of knowledge your religion is the tree of knowledge the sin of eating from the Tree of the sin of eating from the Tree of the sin of eating from the Tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eating there knowledge in the Garden of Eating there knowledge in the Garden of Eating there is something uh that that we are caution is something uh that that we are caution is something uh that that we are caution either as children or sometimes as either as children or sometimes as either as children or sometimes as adults that knowledge is dangerous that adults that knowledge is dangerous that adults that knowledge is dangerous that it comes with it comes with it comes with responsibility and you will have no one responsibility and you will have no one responsibility and you will have no one to blame but yourself for your own to blame but yourself for your own to blame but yourself for your own mistakes so we have these paradoxical mistakes so we have these paradoxical mistakes so we have these paradoxical impulses a part of the human condition impulses a part of the human condition impulses a part of the human condition one a need to know the willingness to one a need to know the willingness to one a need to know the willingness to work and to Bear risks the Curiosity work and to Bear risks the Curiosity work and to Bear risks the Curiosity that you know could kill us but only for
1:03that you know could kill us but only for that you know could kill us but only for the sense of satisfaction that we the sense of satisfaction that we the sense of satisfaction that we figured it out and the fear of known the figured it out and the fear of known the figured it out and the fear of known the anxiety that comes with running the anxiety that comes with running the anxiety that comes with running the experiment from eating at the tree of experiment from eating at the tree of experiment from eating at the tree of knowledge and being shamed for trying knowledge and being shamed for trying knowledge and being shamed for trying something that failed for being cut down something that failed for being cut down something that failed for being cut down by you know the Greek gods for having by you know the Greek gods for having by you know the Greek gods for having opened up the box because we needed to opened up the box because we needed to opened up the box because we needed to know what was inside so this doesn't know what was inside so this doesn't know what was inside so this doesn't have a lot to do with ice bath but you have a lot to do with ice bath but you have a lot to do with ice bath but you can see why these things are on my mind can see why these things are on my mind can see why these things are on my mind yeah there is comfort in trust the yeah there is comfort in trust the yeah there is comfort in trust the science you know with Tony fouchy I am science you know with Tony fouchy I am science you know with Tony fouchy I am the science and people confused him with the science and people confused him with the science and people confused him with like some kind of religious figure they like some kind of religious figure they like some kind of religious figure they had little action dolls and totems to had little action dolls and totems to had little action dolls and totems to Tony bouchy as if there was like this Tony bouchy as if there was like this Tony bouchy as if there was like this Cult of Tony there is a comfort in Cult of Tony there is a comfort in Cult of Tony there is a comfort in offloading our responsibility onto some offloading our responsibility onto some offloading our responsibility onto some authority figure then you get to say oh authority figure then you get to say oh authority figure then you get to say oh well we didn't know but it was so well we didn't know but it was so well we didn't know but it was so confusing at the time you know somebody
1:04confusing at the time you know somebody confusing at the time you know somebody told me to put a mask on my child and so told me to put a mask on my child and so told me to put a mask on my child and so I did it because I didn't know I did it because I didn't know I did it because I didn't know yeah the shame that I live with is the yeah the shame that I live with is the yeah the shame that I live with is the mistakes I made as a parent by not mistakes I made as a parent by not mistakes I made as a parent by not trusting my own intuitions not trusting trusting my own intuitions not trusting trusting my own intuitions not trusting in my heart what I knew to be true but in my heart what I knew to be true but in my heart what I knew to be true but instead listening to idiots like the instead listening to idiots like the instead listening to idiots like the American Diabetes associ saying well American Diabetes associ saying well American Diabetes associ saying well this is what you have to do to be a good this is what you have to do to be a good this is what you have to do to be a good dad for your diabetic how long they were dad for your diabetic how long they were dad for your diabetic how long they were and I had to keep scrupulous records of and I had to keep scrupulous records of and I had to keep scrupulous records of his blood sugars and his food intake and his blood sugars and his food intake and his blood sugars and his food intake and his exercise to convince myself that his exercise to convince myself that his exercise to convince myself that there was nobody in charge of this but there was nobody in charge of this but there was nobody in charge of this but me that's a threatening sort of me that's a threatening sort of me that's a threatening sort of idea it is it's um it reminds me of like idea it is it's um it reminds me of like idea it is it's um it reminds me of like uh jnan pizz an idea that you know the uh jnan pizz an idea that you know the uh jnan pizz an idea that you know the weight of responsibility it's kind of weight of responsibility it's kind of weight of responsibility it's kind of like that pressure can shatter glass or like that pressure can shatter glass or like that pressure can shatter glass or it can make diamonds and it's all on the it can make diamonds and it's all on the it can make diamonds and it's all on the burer and the the burer and the the burer and the the more responsibility you're willing to more responsibility you're willing to more responsibility you're willing to shoulder the more meaning your life has
1:05shoulder the more meaning your life has shoulder the more meaning your life has but it's scary at the same time too to but it's scary at the same time too to but it's scary at the same time too to kind of instead of pointing the finger kind of instead of pointing the finger kind of instead of pointing the finger this way and saying everybody tell me this way and saying everybody tell me this way and saying everybody tell me putting it back on self and saying like putting it back on self and saying like putting it back on self and saying like I'm in I'm in control of my outcomes and I'm in I'm in control of my outcomes and I'm in I'm in control of my outcomes and you know what I think the cold might be you know what I think the cold might be you know what I think the cold might be more closely related to this than you're more closely related to this than you're more closely related to this than you're even giving it credit for because one of even giving it credit for because one of even giving it credit for because one of the things that most people will say the things that most people will say the things that most people will say when they hear a conversation about the when they hear a conversation about the when they hear a conversation about the cold is well I can't do that but then cold is well I can't do that but then cold is well I can't do that but then what happens when they do and all of a what happens when they do and all of a what happens when they do and all of a sudden they say oh I just did something sudden they say oh I just did something sudden they say oh I just did something I said I couldn't do the whole system I said I couldn't do the whole system I said I couldn't do the whole system internally kind of breaks down because internally kind of breaks down because internally kind of breaks down because it's like well I thought I couldn't do it's like well I thought I couldn't do it's like well I thought I couldn't do that and I did it what else do I think that and I did it what else do I think that and I did it what else do I think and what else did I believe that I know and what else did I believe that I know and what else did I believe that I know no longer hold as a definitive truth and no longer hold as a definitive truth and no longer hold as a definitive truth and that's very that's very that's very empowering anxiety exists in the future empowering anxiety exists in the future empowering anxiety exists in the future it's always about things that haven't it's always about things that haven't it's always about things that haven't happened yet you know yeah regret always happened yet you know yeah regret always happened yet you know yeah regret always exists in the past and sometimes I think exists in the past and sometimes I think exists in the past and sometimes I think especially for men shame is associated especially for men shame is associated especially for men shame is associated with regret and so our whole academic with regret and so our whole academic with regret and so our whole academic you know I'm a professor I hand out
1:06you know I'm a professor I hand out you know I'm a professor I hand out grades it's the worst part of teaching grades it's the worst part of teaching grades it's the worst part of teaching is to grade people but our whole is to grade people but our whole is to grade people but our whole academic system says if you make a academic system says if you make a academic system says if you make a mistake it goes your permanent record mistake it goes your permanent record mistake it goes your permanent record every student starts a semester classes every student starts a semester classes every student starts a semester classes start tomorrow for me they start with a start tomorrow for me they start with a start tomorrow for me they start with a 100 you know at least in their own 100 you know at least in their own 100 you know at least in their own imagination and then we mark them down imagination and then we mark them down imagination and then we mark them down by every mistake that they make until by every mistake that they make until by every mistake that they make until they're going into the final hoping that they're going into the final hoping that they're going into the final hoping that they can do well enough for a seat it's they can do well enough for a seat it's they can do well enough for a seat it's an incredibly demoral izing an incredibly demoral izing an incredibly demoral izing institutional system that we have institutional system that we have institutional system that we have created that cuts people down and created that cuts people down and created that cuts people down and teaches them to be ashamed of whatever teaches them to be ashamed of whatever teaches them to be ashamed of whatever they tried that for whatever reason they tried that for whatever reason they tried that for whatever reason didn't work out and that's not helping didn't work out and that's not helping didn't work out and that's not helping it's not helping us understand ourselves it's not helping us understand ourselves it's not helping us understand ourselves Scott Adams put out a tweet this morning Scott Adams put out a tweet this morning Scott Adams put out a tweet this morning because Mel Gibson went on the Joe roin because Mel Gibson went on the Joe roin because Mel Gibson went on the Joe roin show he said I've got three friends you show he said I've got three friends you show he said I've got three friends you know and they stage four and they're not know and they stage four and they're not know and they stage four and they're not sick anymore and Scott said I'm going to sick anymore and Scott said I'm going to sick anymore and Scott said I'm going to make a prediction and right away you can make a prediction and right away you can make a prediction and right away you can sense the clickbait you know but sense the clickbait you know but sense the clickbait you know but predictions are such a terrible thing to
1:07predictions are such a terrible thing to predictions are such a terrible thing to to make because you become ego invested to make because you become ego invested to make because you become ego invested in your prediction and Scott Adams in your prediction and Scott Adams in your prediction and Scott Adams predicted that no patient would you know predicted that no patient would you know predicted that no patient would you know with this testimony of transformation with this testimony of transformation with this testimony of transformation from stage four to zero would ever come from stage four to zero would ever come from stage four to zero would ever come forward that these would always be sort forward that these would always be sort forward that these would always be sort of biased thirdparty accounts and of biased thirdparty accounts and of biased thirdparty accounts and friends or Physicians or whatever so I friends or Physicians or whatever so I friends or Physicians or whatever so I replied here's my interview with Dean replied here's my interview with Dean replied here's my interview with Dean Hall who had chronic leukemia who was Hall who had chronic leukemia who was Hall who had chronic leukemia who was this is a slow acting form and he was this is a slow acting form and he was this is a slow acting form and he was going to die and he wanted to do going to die and he wanted to do going to die and he wanted to do something to inspire other cancer something to inspire other cancer something to inspire other cancer patients before he died so he swam the patients before he died so he swam the patients before he died so he swam the entire length of the willit river his entire length of the willit river his entire length of the willit river his doctor told him not to do it his doctor doctor told him not to do it his doctor doctor told him not to do it his doctor said that in an immunal compromised said that in an immunal compromised said that in an immunal compromised State he would never live through it State he would never live through it State he would never live through it took him three weeks and when he came took him three weeks and when he came took him three weeks and when he came out of that cold Willam River he didn't out of that cold Willam River he didn't out of that cold Willam River he didn't have lukemia anymore there's his have lukemia anymore there's his have lukemia anymore there's his testimony and his interview of something testimony and his interview of something testimony and his interview of something crazy that he did because he'd already
1:08crazy that he did because he'd already crazy that he did because he'd already lost his wife to brain cancer because he lost his wife to brain cancer because he lost his wife to brain cancer because he felt like he had nothing to lose and felt like he had nothing to lose and felt like he had nothing to lose and that's what it took for him to do this that's what it took for him to do this that's what it took for him to do this extreme thing that people they could extreme thing that people they could extreme thing that people they could have you know made fun of him and said have you know made fun of him and said have you know made fun of him and said you're an idiot you thought that would you're an idiot you thought that would you're an idiot you thought that would somehow cure your cancer he goes no no somehow cure your cancer he goes no no somehow cure your cancer he goes no no no that's not what I wanted I just no that's not what I wanted I just no that's not what I wanted I just wanted to inspire people I I wanted to wanted to inspire people I I wanted to wanted to inspire people I I wanted to live my dream before I die you know you live my dream before I die you know you live my dream before I die you know you can see him today in the you know he can see him today in the you know he can see him today in the you know he posted a video on Instagram this morning posted a video on Instagram this morning posted a video on Instagram this morning he's up there in the mountains and he's he's up there in the mountains and he's he's up there in the mountains and he's got the cold water coming all over him got the cold water coming all over him got the cold water coming all over him and he's still trying to inspire other and he's still trying to inspire other and he's still trying to inspire other people so this idea that we should make people so this idea that we should make people so this idea that we should make predictions that we become ego invested predictions that we become ego invested predictions that we become ego invested in it is the antithesis of science when in it is the antithesis of science when in it is the antithesis of science when a scientist formulates a hypothesis it a scientist formulates a hypothesis it a scientist formulates a hypothesis it is the scientist's moral duty to attempt is the scientist's moral duty to attempt is the scientist's moral duty to attempt to prove the hypothesis wrong this is to prove the hypothesis wrong this is to prove the hypothesis wrong this is the whole philosophy of science you know the whole philosophy of science you know the whole philosophy of science you know that I learned in grad school if you go that I learned in grad school if you go that I learned in grad school if you go in there trying to prove yourself right
1:09in there trying to prove yourself right in there trying to prove yourself right you will because your ego and your you will because your ego and your you will because your ego and your grants and your reputation depends upon grants and your reputation depends upon grants and your reputation depends upon you being right all the you get some you being right all the you get some you being right all the you get some self-righteous defense mechanism over it self-righteous defense mechanism over it self-righteous defense mechanism over it so instead you say I wonder I wonder if so instead you say I wonder I wonder if so instead you say I wonder I wonder if cold will increase insulin sensitivity cold will increase insulin sensitivity cold will increase insulin sensitivity let's see if we can design the let's see if we can design the let's see if we can design the experiment that proves how wrong that experiment that proves how wrong that experiment that proves how wrong that idea is that's the way science advances idea is that's the way science advances idea is that's the way science advances with the humility of the scientist and with the humility of the scientist and with the humility of the scientist and we turned it all freaking around into we turned it all freaking around into we turned it all freaking around into something else uh then a layer on that something else uh then a layer on that something else uh then a layer on that propaganda and censorship we've propaganda and censorship we've propaganda and censorship we've destroyed science as an destroyed science as an destroyed science as an institution but not as a process not as institution but not as a process not as institution but not as a process not as a mode of inquiry there it Still Remains a mode of inquiry there it Still Remains a mode of inquiry there it Still Remains intact yeah and that's exactly what intact yeah and that's exactly what intact yeah and that's exactly what we're trying to do here I think that's we're trying to do here I think that's we're trying to do here I think that's what these conversations do these what these conversations do these what these conversations do these stories these thousands of pieces of stories these thousands of pieces of stories these thousands of pieces of anec data because it gives other people anec data because it gives other people anec data because it gives other people permission to do the same you know and I permission to do the same you know and I permission to do the same you know and I think that's just a wonderful way to think that's just a wonderful way to think that's just a wonderful way to bridge everything from the physiology of
1:10bridge everything from the physiology of bridge everything from the physiology of coal to the psychology of it all the way coal to the psychology of it all the way coal to the psychology of it all the way through to the philosophy of it it's a through to the philosophy of it it's a through to the philosophy of it it's a life-changing modality it really is life-changing modality it really is life-changing modality it really is whether you're just looking to get a bit whether you're just looking to get a bit whether you're just looking to get a bit more shredded or whether you're looking more shredded or whether you're looking more shredded or whether you're looking to radically reclaim your birth right to to radically reclaim your birth right to to radically reclaim your birth right to personal responsibility and health personal responsibility and health personal responsibility and health there's so much offered here so I think there's so much offered here so I think there's so much offered here so I think that's a wonderful place to start to that's a wonderful place to start to that's a wonderful place to start to bring this one into land and of course bring this one into land and of course bring this one into land and of course let people know just a little bit about let people know just a little bit about let people know just a little bit about Morosco because we've touched on it Morosco because we've touched on it Morosco because we've touched on it we've name dropped it a few times but it we've name dropped it a few times but it we've name dropped it a few times but it really is an incredible piece of Kit really is an incredible piece of Kit really is an incredible piece of Kit where can people go to learn more about where can people go to learn more about where can people go to learn more about it and uh potentially look at one for it and uh potentially look at one for it and uh potentially look at one for themselves you can go to Morosco themselves you can go to Morosco themselves you can go to Morosco forge.com forge.com forge.com um you can you know go to the shop and um you can you know go to the shop and um you can you know go to the shop and you can look at all the different you can look at all the different you can look at all the different high-end ice bath models uh I take a lot high-end ice bath models uh I take a lot high-end ice bath models uh I take a lot of heat on Twitter because we make an of heat on Twitter because we make an of heat on Twitter because we make an ice bath that cost ice bath that cost ice bath that cost $30,000 and I don't know how to employ $30,000 and I don't know how to employ $30,000 and I don't know how to employ people in the United States to do craft people in the United States to do craft people in the United States to do craft work that is going to make moras Co work that is going to make moras Co work that is going to make moras Co cheaper I know how to hire people in cheaper I know how to hire people in cheaper I know how to hire people in China to contract manufacture crap that
1:11China to contract manufacture crap that China to contract manufacture crap that you know eight weeks later is available you know eight weeks later is available you know eight weeks later is available for sale in the US so there are for sale in the US so there are for sale in the US so there are definitely cheaper cold plunges but I definitely cheaper cold plunges but I definitely cheaper cold plunges but I don't know how to our lowest end model don't know how to our lowest end model don't know how to our lowest end model is like $99,000 it's more expensive than is like $99,000 it's more expensive than is like $99,000 it's more expensive than anybody else's most expensive at least anybody else's most expensive at least anybody else's most expensive at least in the United States and if I could make in the United States and if I could make in the United States and if I could make it more affordable I would what I can do it more affordable I would what I can do it more affordable I would what I can do is everything I've ever written on cold is everything I've ever written on cold is everything I've ever written on cold plunge therapy science and experience plunge therapy science and experience plunge therapy science and experience it's all available for free yeah so you it's all available for free yeah so you it's all available for free yeah so you can go to Morosco forge.com click on the can go to Morosco forge.com click on the can go to Morosco forge.com click on the science tab you can read all of my science tab you can read all of my science tab you can read all of my articles or nothing because Arizona articles or nothing because Arizona articles or nothing because Arizona state pays my salary to be a professor state pays my salary to be a professor state pays my salary to be a professor and I do this research and I do this and I do this research and I do this and I do this research and I do this publishing so that other people don't publishing so that other people don't publishing so that other people don't have to pay for it but if you're one of have to pay for it but if you're one of have to pay for it but if you're one of those people that needs it like on paper those people that needs it like on paper those people that needs it like on paper in writing where it can never be deleted in writing where it can never be deleted in writing where it can never be deleted you know if Martin Zuckerberg has some you know if Martin Zuckerberg has some you know if Martin Zuckerberg has some change of heart and somebody decides
1:12change of heart and somebody decides change of heart and somebody decides that morasco Ford should be taken down that morasco Ford should be taken down that morasco Ford should be taken down off of whatever server it resides you off of whatever server it resides you off of whatever server it resides you can buy the book on commmon cold it's can buy the book on commmon cold it's can buy the book on commmon cold it's not on Amazon or anywhere else but you not on Amazon or anywhere else but you not on Amazon or anywhere else but you can app it on morosa there are um lots can app it on morosa there are um lots can app it on morosa there are um lots of different ice bath models that you of different ice bath models that you of different ice bath models that you can purchase Alexis Cowan has one and can purchase Alexis Cowan has one and can purchase Alexis Cowan has one and she's got her PhD from Princeton for she's got her PhD from Princeton for she's got her PhD from Princeton for goodness sakes but she sort of left the goodness sakes but she sort of left the goodness sakes but she sort of left the career of Academia she's not doing what career of Academia she's not doing what career of Academia she's not doing what I did you know uh move to three I did you know uh move to three I did you know uh move to three different universities get the grants different universities get the grants different universities get the grants publish the papers hope for tenure that publish the papers hope for tenure that publish the papers hope for tenure that she's gone a different way and this is she's gone a different way and this is she's gone a different way and this is what I mean by the institution of what I mean by the institution of what I mean by the institution of science has been destroyed we cannot science has been destroyed we cannot science has been destroyed we cannot trust the universities there is an trust the universities there is an trust the universities there is an enormous problem of trust in health and enormous problem of trust in health and enormous problem of trust in health and particularly in biohack so you can go to particularly in biohack so you can go to particularly in biohack so you can go to moral Forge and you can click on the moral Forge and you can click on the moral Forge and you can click on the market Tab and under that tab you're market Tab and under that tab you're market Tab and under that tab you're going to see other Affiliated companies going to see other Affiliated companies going to see other Affiliated companies these companies are backed by science these companies are backed by science these companies are backed by science there's um the greenl company uh
1:13there's um the greenl company uh there's um the greenl company uh invented a green light with some other invented a green light with some other invented a green light with some other people um and the green light will it's people um and the green light will it's people um and the green light will it's good for pain relief when you have a good for pain relief when you have a good for pain relief when you have a migraine it's good for anxiety relief so migraine it's good for anxiety relief so migraine it's good for anxiety relief so that's one of the companies on the that's one of the companies on the that's one of the companies on the market page uh Dr Kirk parsley sleep market page uh Dr Kirk parsley sleep market page uh Dr Kirk parsley sleep remedy is there amate echel Yus skin remedy is there amate echel Yus skin remedy is there amate echel Yus skin care is there every single one of these care is there every single one of these care is there every single one of these products I have tried it myself I have products I have tried it myself I have products I have tried it myself I have interrogated the founders to understand interrogated the founders to understand interrogated the founders to understand how and why it works so we're trying to how and why it works so we're trying to how and why it works so we're trying to do a little bit more than ice bath we're do a little bit more than ice bath we're do a little bit more than ice bath we're trying to create a a platform of trust trying to create a a platform of trust trying to create a a platform of trust where people can get reliable where people can get reliable where people can get reliable information sources of what they want to information sources of what they want to information sources of what they want to try for their next try for their next try for their next self-experiment amazing amazing I self-experiment amazing amazing I self-experiment amazing amazing I appreciate the heck out of you this has appreciate the heck out of you this has appreciate the heck out of you this has been a fun conversation we didn't even been a fun conversation we didn't even been a fun conversation we didn't even get into the light stuff so we're get into the light stuff so we're get into the light stuff so we're certainly going to run this back I'm certainly going to run this back I'm certainly going to run this back I'm also going to get you some organs sent also going to get you some organs sent also going to get you some organs sent out there to uh to Arizona so we can get out there to uh to Arizona so we can get out there to uh to Arizona so we can get those on your site one day as well but those on your site one day as well but those on your site one day as well but Thomas Seager ladies and gentlemen Thomas Seager ladies and gentlemen Thomas Seager ladies and gentlemen fascinating conversation any links to
1:14fascinating conversation any links to fascinating conversation any links to share tell people where to go or morasco share tell people where to go or morasco share tell people where to go or morasco forges is pretty much where they'll find forges is pretty much where they'll find forges is pretty much where they'll find everything you got it we are now the I everything you got it we are now the I everything you got it we are now the I think the number one Google search think the number one Google search think the number one Google search result for four different misspellings result for four different misspellings result for four different misspellings of Morosco you'll find us um and you can of Morosco you'll find us um and you can of Morosco you'll find us um and you can find me on Twitter I got to want you find me on Twitter I got to want you find me on Twitter I got to want you have a big mouth um but Seager TP SE a g have a big mouth um but Seager TP SE a g have a big mouth um but Seager TP SE a g TP if you want to know what gets me in TP if you want to know what gets me in TP if you want to know what gets me in trouble with my apartment chair that's trouble with my apartment chair that's trouble with my apartment chair that's where you can find it I love it I love where you can find it I love it I love where you can find it I love it I love it stay bold my friend stay radical and it stay bold my friend stay radical and it stay bold my friend stay radical and friends stay cold let's go get some cold friends stay cold let's go get some cold friends stay cold let's go get some cold Expos just perfect time of year to get Expos just perfect time of year to get Expos just perfect time of year to get into it Thomas Thanks again we'll see into it Thomas Thanks again we'll see into it Thomas Thanks again we'll see you stay radical friends you stay radical friends you stay radical friends peace all right friends thanks for peace all right friends thanks for peace all right friends thanks for tuning into another episode of radical tuning into another episode of radical tuning into another episode of radical Health radio we got a fresh new podcast Health radio we got a fresh new podcast Health radio we got a fresh new podcast for you every Wednesday if you enjoyed for you every Wednesday if you enjoyed for you every Wednesday if you enjoyed the show consider liking subscribing the show consider liking subscribing the show consider liking subscribing reviewing and rating go on your podcast reviewing and rating go on your podcast reviewing and rating go on your podcast platform it helps to spread this message platform it helps to spread this message platform it helps to spread this message of radical Health we'll see you next of radical Health we'll see you next of radical Health we'll see you next week