Health benefits of sauna Rhonda Patrick and Andrew Huberman DEBUNKED
00:00what's up pam this is kevin bass from what's up pam this is kevin bass from the dot wars.com i'm a medical student the dot wars.com i'm a medical student the dot wars.com i'm a medical student and phd student i'm doing a joint degree and phd student i'm doing a joint degree and phd student i'm doing a joint degree in with both a medical degree in with both a medical degree in with both a medical degree and a phd in and a phd in and a phd in uh cancer biology i specialize in uh cancer biology i specialize in uh cancer biology i specialize in ketogenic physiology ketogenic physiology ketogenic physiology about to graduate in a year and then i about to graduate in a year and then i about to graduate in a year and then i will be going on to will be going on to will be going on to clinical rotations for the last two clinical rotations for the last two clinical rotations for the last two years so i've done two years of med years so i've done two years of med years so i've done two years of med school several years of phd and then i'm school several years of phd and then i'm school several years of phd and then i'm going to finish my med school soon going to finish my med school soon going to finish my med school soon i like to debunk misinformation on the i like to debunk misinformation on the i like to debunk misinformation on the internet and that's what i'm going to be internet and that's what i'm going to be internet and that's what i'm going to be doing in this video doing in this video doing in this video in particular with respect to rhonda in particular with respect to rhonda in particular with respect to rhonda patrick and patrick and patrick and andrew huberman andrew huberman andrew huberman we're going to watch a clip we're going to watch a clip we're going to watch a clip with huberman a recent clip on the with huberman a recent clip on the with huberman a recent clip on the uh lex friedman podcast uh lex friedman podcast uh lex friedman podcast it is from it is from it is from i want to say i want to say i want to say two weeks ago two weeks ago two weeks ago where he's interviewed by lex and he where he's interviewed by lex and he where he's interviewed by lex and he shares some misinformation that was
01:00shares some misinformation that was shares some misinformation that was first popularized by rhonda patrick first popularized by rhonda patrick first popularized by rhonda patrick it's misinformation because it's misinformation because it's misinformation because it only tells one side of the story it only tells one side of the story it only tells one side of the story doesn't explain what the limitations are doesn't explain what the limitations are doesn't explain what the limitations are of this one side of the story of this one side of the story of this one side of the story and neglects and neglects and neglects to tell the other side of the story to tell the other side of the story to tell the other side of the story which is that there is a large which is that there is a large which is that there is a large or at least there's a substantial or at least there's a substantial or at least there's a substantial scholarly debate scholarly debate scholarly debate in the scientific literature about some in the scientific literature about some in the scientific literature about some of these claims of these claims of these claims the debate the debate the debate the uh the uh the uh the view the view the view that takes a a that takes a a that takes a a a dim view of these particular claims is a dim view of these particular claims is a dim view of these particular claims is completely neglected and never spoken of completely neglected and never spoken of completely neglected and never spoken of in anything in anything in anything that rhonda or hoover men say on this that rhonda or hoover men say on this that rhonda or hoover men say on this topic instead they over hype topic instead they over hype topic instead they over hype constantly and repeatedly constantly and repeatedly constantly and repeatedly on this topic on this topic on this topic and i want to bring you guys and i want to bring you guys
02:00and i want to bring you guys to a tweet that i made to a tweet that i made to a tweet that i made because it was very popular it resonated because it was very popular it resonated because it was very popular it resonated with people i said something and with people i said something and with people i said something and i said something i've wanted to say and i said something i've wanted to say and i said something i've wanted to say and i've been saying i've been saying i've been saying for a very long time for a very long time for a very long time but i said it but i said it but i said it in the way in the way in the way um that resonated with a lot of people um that resonated with a lot of people um that resonated with a lot of people and so i'm going to say it here and it and so i'm going to say it here and it and so i'm going to say it here and it relates to this particular issue it is relates to this particular issue it is relates to this particular issue it is to become famous as a health influencer to become famous as a health influencer to become famous as a health influencer you have to say something new you have to say something new you have to say something new the easiest way to say something new the easiest way to say something new the easiest way to say something new is to say something wrong is to say something wrong is to say something wrong correspondingly the majority of famous correspondingly the majority of famous correspondingly the majority of famous health influencers health influencers health influencers systematically say things systematically say things systematically say things that are wrong that are wrong that are wrong sadly it's how sadly it's how sadly it's how the system works the system works the system works and in this case what is said about and in this case what is said about and in this case what is said about sauna is wrong sauna is wrong sauna is wrong because it's only a half truth because it's only a half truth because it's only a half truth the uncertainty the uncertainty the uncertainty the
03:00the the potential that this effect may not exist potential that this effect may not exist potential that this effect may not exist whatsoever in fact i would say the whatsoever in fact i would say the whatsoever in fact i would say the likelihood that this effect does not likelihood that this effect does not likelihood that this effect does not exist whatsoever that sauna does not exist whatsoever that sauna does not exist whatsoever that sauna does not confer these benefits claimed confer these benefits claimed confer these benefits claimed by its proponents by its proponents by its proponents it's completely left out of the it's completely left out of the it's completely left out of the discussion and all they say is that discussion and all they say is that discussion and all they say is that sauna's great it's wonderful sauna's great it's wonderful sauna's great it's wonderful there's this newness to it there's this newness to it there's this newness to it that attracts everybody that attracts everybody that attracts everybody um um um but the reason it's so new and but the reason it's so new and but the reason it's so new and interesting is because they leave out interesting is because they leave out interesting is because they leave out the fact that there are some serious the fact that there are some serious the fact that there are some serious flaws flaws flaws with the research done with the research done with the research done on this particular topic on this particular topic on this particular topic to talk about this let's segue to to talk about this let's segue to to talk about this let's segue to uh something that uh actually the uh something that uh actually the uh something that uh actually the opening opening opening of the andrew hupman podcast with lex of the andrew hupman podcast with lex of the andrew hupman podcast with lex friedman talks explicitly about sauna friedman talks explicitly about sauna friedman talks explicitly about sauna and so we're simply going to play the and so we're simply going to play the and so we're simply going to play the opening the first 20 seconds opening the first 20 seconds opening the first 20 seconds the first 20 seconds of the youtube clip
04:00the first 20 seconds of the youtube clip the first 20 seconds of the youtube clip which most people who have watched the which most people who have watched the which most people who have watched the youtube clip at all have seen youtube clip at all have seen youtube clip at all have seen so it's influenced a lot of people so it's influenced a lot of people so it's influenced a lot of people we're going to play it we're going to play it we're going to play it we're going to watch it we're going to watch it we're going to watch it and then i'm going to tear it apart and then i'm going to tear it apart and then i'm going to tear it apart if you get into the sauna the way i just if you get into the sauna the way i just if you get into the sauna the way i just described not the two hours a day but 30 described not the two hours a day but 30 described not the two hours a day but 30 minutes minutes minutes twice a week or three times per week you twice a week or three times per week you twice a week or three times per week you reduce the likelihood of dying of a reduce the likelihood of dying of a reduce the likelihood of dying of a cardiovascular event by 27 cardiovascular event by 27 cardiovascular event by 27 if you do it four or more times per week if you do it four or more times per week if you do it four or more times per week you reduce the probability of dying by you reduce the probability of dying by you reduce the probability of dying by 50 percent 50 percent 50 percent okay this watching this clip this watching this clip uh makes me very angry uh makes me very angry uh makes me very angry um um he's not telling the truth he's not telling the truth he's not telling the truth he's not telling the truth about what he's not telling the truth about what he's not telling the truth about what the science actually says the science actually says the science actually says he's he's he's i would say i would say i would say i would call what he's doing lying he's i would call what he's doing lying he's i would call what he's doing lying he's lying lying lying to his audience to his audience to his audience to generate hype to generate hype to generate hype clicks popularity he's lying to his
05:00clicks popularity he's lying to his clicks popularity he's lying to his audience hooverman is here's why here's why so the original set of papers published so the original set of papers published so the original set of papers published on this topic on this topic were were were published by this guy named published by this guy named published by this guy named or this or this or this i guess it's a couple there's two uh i guess it's a couple there's two uh i guess it's a couple there's two uh authors on this particular paper with authors on this particular paper with authors on this particular paper with the same last name the same last name the same last name one of them one of them one of them has like a kind of female sounding name has like a kind of female sounding name has like a kind of female sounding name tan tanya tanha nina tan tanya tanha nina tan tanya tanha nina and the other one is is jarry i'm not and the other one is is jarry i'm not and the other one is is jarry i'm not this is i think this is a finish this is i think this is a finish this is i think this is a finish or i would say this is a finnish um or i would say this is a finnish um or i would say this is a finnish um paper these are finnish authors and i paper these are finnish authors and i paper these are finnish authors and i can't i don't know how to pronounce can't i don't know how to pronounce can't i don't know how to pronounce their names but it looks like a couple yes it's from finnish uh yes it's from finnish uh copio copio copio ischemic heart disease risk factor study ischemic heart disease risk factor study ischemic heart disease risk factor study in eastern finland and the paper is in eastern finland and the paper is in eastern finland and the paper is published in jama internal medicine published in jama internal medicine published in jama internal medicine it's called association
06:00it's called association it's called association between sauna bathing and fatal between sauna bathing and fatal between sauna bathing and fatal cardiovascular and all-cause mortality cardiovascular and all-cause mortality cardiovascular and all-cause mortality events events events what is the design it's called a what is the design it's called a what is the design it's called a prospective prospective prospective cohort study what is this it just means cohort study what is this it just means cohort study what is this it just means you you you take a group of people take a group of people take a group of people you ask them a bunch of questions about factors relate that might be related to factors relate that might be related to disease so disease so disease so how often do you go to the sun how long how often do you go to the sun how long how often do you go to the sun how long do you go to the sun what kinds of foods do you go to the sun what kinds of foods do you go to the sun what kinds of foods do you eat do you eat do you eat do you eat a lot of fiber do you eat a do you eat a lot of fiber do you eat a do you eat a lot of fiber do you eat a lot of this lot of this lot of this uh uh uh do you eat a lot of that like do you eat a lot of that like do you eat a lot of that like do you walk how much do you walk do you walk how much do you walk do you walk how much do you walk how often do you go exercise uh you know how often do you go exercise uh you know how often do you go exercise uh you know what is your economic status like how what is your economic status like how what is your economic status like how much money do you make much money do you make much money do you make and they then follow this group of and they then follow this group of and they then follow this group of people people people for for for a certain length of time a certain length of time a certain length of time 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 5 10 years
07:005 10 years 5 10 years 20 years and they then track 20 years and they then track 20 years and they then track what the participants said at the first what the participants said at the first what the participants said at the first interview interview interview and uh of course it's not just an and uh of course it's not just an and uh of course it's not just an interview but also they fill out interview but also they fill out interview but also they fill out paperwork paperwork paperwork they track that they track that they track that um um and they see if there's a difference in and they see if there's a difference in and they see if there's a difference in health outcomes health outcomes health outcomes based on the differences in what people based on the differences in what people based on the differences in what people said at the beginning of the study said at the beginning of the study said at the beginning of the study in this case they looked at in this case they looked at in this case they looked at sauna use so i take asana once a week sauna use so i take asana once a week sauna use so i take asana once a week two times a week three times all the way two times a week three times all the way two times a week three times all the way up to like i think every day all the way up to every day all the way up to every day so this is not what we call a randomized so this is not what we call a randomized so this is not what we call a randomized control trial control trial control trial they didn't um they didn't um they didn't um assign people to some people will use assign people to some people will use assign people to some people will use the sauna the sauna the sauna some people not to use the sauna and some people not to use the sauna and some people not to use the sauna and then compared then compared then compared how they did in terms of their health
08:00how they did in terms of their health how they did in terms of their health outcomes outcomes outcomes it's not that it's not that it's not that it's people who are already using asana it's people who are already using asana it's people who are already using asana people are not using asana and they people are not using asana and they people are not using asana and they compare the health outcomes and they found these striking effects and they found these striking effects and this is the paper this literature and this is the paper this literature and this is the paper this literature there's several papers in this published there's several papers in this published there's several papers in this published by this group by this group by this group but this is the first paper as far as but this is the first paper as far as but this is the first paper as far as i'm aware or one of the first papers or i'm aware or one of the first papers or i'm aware or one of the first papers or one of the most high profile papers one of the most high profile papers one of the most high profile papers that is used that is used that is used that is cited to support this idea that that is cited to support this idea that that is cited to support this idea that sauna sauna sauna causes these cardiovascular benefits causes these cardiovascular benefits causes these cardiovascular benefits and disease benefits and disease benefits and disease benefits reduced risk of death reduced risk of death reduced risk of death the problem the problem the problem is is is is uh pointed out by is uh pointed out by is uh pointed out by this group of researchers this group of researchers this group of researchers and there's a response to this paper in and there's a response to this paper in and there's a response to this paper in jama internal medicine it's called the jama internal medicine it's called the jama internal medicine it's called the link between sauna bathing and mortality link between sauna bathing and mortality link between sauna bathing and mortality may be non-causal may be non-causal may be non-causal that is to say
09:00it may be that that the relationship between sauna bathing the relationship between sauna bathing the relationship between sauna bathing and good heart outcomes may have nothing and good heart outcomes may have nothing and good heart outcomes may have nothing to do with the song of bathing to do with the song of bathing to do with the song of bathing it may just be it may just be it may just be an association an association an association but the actual variables that are but the actual variables that are but the actual variables that are causing causing causing the reduced mortality and the reduced the reduced mortality and the reduced the reduced mortality and the reduced heart attack etc heart attack etc heart attack etc are something else are something else are something else that correlates with that correlates with that correlates with sauna bathing but not sauna baiting sauna bathing but not sauna baiting sauna bathing but not sauna baiting itself that's causing these things and i need to read this to you and i need to read this to you so the idea here is that so the idea here is that so the idea here is that you have striking benefits to sauna use you have striking benefits to sauna use you have striking benefits to sauna use and they say if the observed and they say if the observed and they say if the observed associations are causal associations are causal associations are causal the risk reduction associated with the risk reduction associated with the risk reduction associated with frequent sauna visits would be frequent sauna visits would be frequent sauna visits would be comparable to or greater than comparable to or greater than comparable to or greater than for traditional prevention strategies for traditional prevention strategies for traditional prevention strategies such as liquid lowering and
10:00such as liquid lowering and such as liquid lowering and antihypertensive therapy antihypertensive therapy antihypertensive therapy twenty to fifty percent in this case twenty to fifty percent in this case twenty to fifty percent in this case we're talking about forty to fifty we're talking about forty to fifty we're talking about forty to fifty percent with sauna use percent with sauna use percent with sauna use so it's better than anything we already so it's better than anything we already so it's better than anything we already have in the clinic so there's two mechanisms that this so there's two mechanisms that this group of researchers pointed out group of researchers pointed out group of researchers pointed out as as as being non-causal mechanisms potentially being non-causal mechanisms potentially being non-causal mechanisms potentially contributing to the findings contributing to the findings contributing to the findings two mechanisms one is confounding two mechanisms one is confounding two mechanisms one is confounding and reverse causation bias and reverse causation bias and reverse causation bias first there is an extraordinary first there is an extraordinary first there is an extraordinary extraordinarily pervasive association extraordinarily pervasive association extraordinarily pervasive association between socioeconomic circumstances and between socioeconomic circumstances and between socioeconomic circumstances and health with greater affluence health with greater affluence health with greater affluence linked to lower risk linked to lower risk linked to lower risk men who reported four to seven sauna men who reported four to seven sauna men who reported four to seven sauna sessions a week probably own a sauna and sessions a week probably own a sauna and sessions a week probably own a sauna and have the time and resources such as have the time and resources such as have the time and resources such as wooden electricity to heat it frequently wooden electricity to heat it frequently wooden electricity to heat it frequently which is possibly not the case for men which is possibly not the case for men which is possibly not the case for men who reported one sauna session a week who reported one sauna session a week who reported one sauna session a week adjustment for composite socioeconomic adjustment for composite socioeconomic adjustment for composite socioeconomic status variable measured once at status variable measured once at status variable measured once at baseline might be insufficient to
11:00baseline might be insufficient to baseline might be insufficient to eliminate confounding by this eliminate confounding by this eliminate confounding by this socio-economic difference socio-economic difference socio-economic difference so could just be the people who have so could just be the people who have so could just be the people who have asana are better off more wealthy asana are better off more wealthy asana are better off more wealthy and the attempt to adjust and the attempt to adjust and the attempt to adjust and account for this was insufficient and account for this was insufficient and account for this was insufficient in the in the in the in the statistical adjustments used in the statistical adjustments used in the statistical adjustments used to try to correct for this bias okay the second and i like this one even okay the second and i like this one even more more more i prefer this one the authors note heart i prefer this one the authors note heart i prefer this one the authors note heart rate increases rate increases rate increases of of of up to 100 beats per minute during sauna up to 100 beats per minute during sauna up to 100 beats per minute during sauna sessions at moderate temperatures and up sessions at moderate temperatures and up sessions at moderate temperatures and up to 150 beats per minute during hotter to 150 beats per minute during hotter to 150 beats per minute during hotter saunas saunas saunas although not an issue for healthy although not an issue for healthy although not an issue for healthy individuals such a cardiac challenge may individuals such a cardiac challenge may individuals such a cardiac challenge may feel uncomfortable feel uncomfortable feel uncomfortable for participants with poor respiratory for participants with poor respiratory for participants with poor respiratory fitness fitness fitness and pre-existing disease simple adjustment for disease versus no
12:00simple adjustment for disease versus no disease may not entirely solve this disease may not entirely solve this disease may not entirely solve this problem problem problem uh i'm going to explain this in my own uh i'm going to explain this in my own uh i'm going to explain this in my own words uh actually i we need to read some actually i we need to read some actually i we need to read some important facts so if you look at important facts so if you look at important facts so if you look at this relationship between sauna use this relationship between sauna use this relationship between sauna use and non-sauna use with people without and non-sauna use with people without and non-sauna use with people without diabetes diabetes diabetes there's no relationship there's no relationship between sauna there's no relationship between sauna use and risk of death use and risk of death use and risk of death with in people without diabetes with in people without diabetes with in people without diabetes there's no relationship with people who are not hypertensive are not hypertensive so only among people who are so only among people who are so only among people who are hypertensive the people who are not hypertensive the people who are not hypertensive the people who are not hypertensive they show no relationship hypertensive they show no relationship hypertensive they show no relationship so seven days a week in sauna so seven days a week in sauna so seven days a week in sauna doesn't reduce the risk of death in doesn't reduce the risk of death in doesn't reduce the risk of death in healthy people without hypertension healthy people without hypertension healthy people without hypertension doesn't reduce the risk of death in doesn't reduce the risk of death in healthy people without diabetes healthy people without diabetes healthy people without diabetes there's no
13:00there's no there's no reduction in risk of death reduction in risk of death reduction in risk of death among people among people among people without cardiovascular disease without cardiovascular disease without cardiovascular disease but there is risk reduction with people but there is risk reduction with people but there is risk reduction with people with cardiovascular disease with cardiovascular disease with cardiovascular disease so what's the pattern here only among so what's the pattern here only among so what's the pattern here only among unhealthy people and not among healthy unhealthy people and not among healthy unhealthy people and not among healthy people people is there an association is there an association is there an association between risk of death between risk of death between risk of death and and and the frequency of sony use the frequency of sony use the frequency of sony use so just right there so just right there so just right there if you're listening to this podcast with if you're listening to this podcast with if you're listening to this podcast with huberman rhonda patrick advocating sauna huberman rhonda patrick advocating sauna huberman rhonda patrick advocating sauna use use use and you don't have these diseases and you don't have these diseases and you don't have these diseases these data indicate these data indicate these data indicate that that if these associations are causal which if these associations are causal which if these associations are causal which they're likely not which i'll address in they're likely not which i'll address in they're likely not which i'll address in just one moment because this i haven't just one moment because this i haven't just one moment because this i haven't fully elucidated the point but if fully elucidated the point but if fully elucidated the point but if they're not if they are causal they're not if they are causal they're not if they are causal then you're not going to benefit if then you're not going to benefit if then you're not going to benefit if you're healthy you're healthy you're healthy so already so already so already not talking about this rhonda and
14:00not talking about this rhonda and not talking about this rhonda and hilberman hilberman hilberman not talking about this misrepresents the potential benefit that misrepresents the potential benefit that you might get or not get from sony's you might get or not get from sony's you might get or not get from sony's because it's not found in people who are because it's not found in people who are because it's not found in people who are healthy this benefit healthy this benefit healthy this benefit it's not going to help you that's like a really important point that's like a really important point but the more important point even is but the more important point even is but the more important point even is that among people with diabetes is the that among people with diabetes is the that among people with diabetes is the people who have the worst diabetes who people who have the worst diabetes who people who have the worst diabetes who are going to be the least able are going to be the least able are going to be the least able to go into the sauna to go into the sauna to go into the sauna the people with the worst hypertension the people with the worst hypertension the people with the worst hypertension who are going to be least able to go who are going to be least able to go who are going to be least able to go into the sauna to tolerate the stress of into the sauna to tolerate the stress of into the sauna to tolerate the stress of the sauna 100 meat beats per minute 150 the sauna 100 meat beats per minute 150 the sauna 100 meat beats per minute 150 beats per minute people with the worst beats per minute people with the worst beats per minute people with the worst cardiovascular disease cardiovascular disease cardiovascular disease be unable to go into the sauna be unable to go into the sauna be unable to go into the sauna what this what this what this commentary on the paper is arguing commentary on the paper is arguing commentary on the paper is arguing is that it's actually the severity of is that it's actually the severity of is that it's actually the severity of the disease it's gradations and the the disease it's gradations and the
15:00the disease it's gradations and the severity of disease severity of disease severity of disease that's causing people to be able to do that's causing people to be able to do that's causing people to be able to do more son or less sauna more son or less sauna more son or less sauna and that's accounting for and that's accounting for and that's accounting for the apparent benefit that is to say the apparent benefit that is to say the apparent benefit that is to say uh uh there i think this is a a reverse this there i think this is a a reverse this there i think this is a a reverse this is reverse causality they call this is reverse causality they call this is reverse causality they call this reverse causation bias that is to say reverse causation bias that is to say reverse causation bias that is to say people are who are healthy are able to people are who are healthy are able to people are who are healthy are able to do sauna do sauna do sauna within these disease categories within these disease categories within these disease categories and people who are less healthy are and people who are less healthy are and people who are less healthy are unable to do sauna so of course the unable to do sauna so of course the unable to do sauna so of course the people who are healthy at baseline are people who are healthy at baseline are people who are healthy at baseline are able to do more sauna and are going to able to do more sauna and are going to able to do more sauna and are going to live longer because they're healthy at live longer because they're healthy at live longer because they're healthy at baseline but it's not the sauna that's baseline but it's not the sauna that's baseline but it's not the sauna that's causing it it's the fact that they're causing it it's the fact that they're causing it it's the fact that they're more healthy and more able to tolerate more healthy and more able to tolerate more healthy and more able to tolerate the sauna use the sauna use the sauna use and they're going to live longer and they're going to live longer and they're going to live longer so that may explain why it's only within so that may explain why it's only within so that may explain why it's only within people with diabetes with hypertension people with diabetes with hypertension people with diabetes with hypertension with cardiovascular disease with cardiovascular disease it's only inside these groups within it's only inside these groups within it's only inside these groups within these groups that we see in effect and these groups that we see in effect and these groups that we see in effect and it's not people without these diseases it's not people without these diseases it's not people without these diseases there's no effect in people without there's no effect in people without there's no effect in people without these diseases suggesting that the
16:00these diseases suggesting that the these diseases suggesting that the entire effect here entire effect here entire effect here is entirely caused by reverse causality is entirely caused by reverse causality is entirely caused by reverse causality which is not a problem with randomized which is not a problem with randomized which is not a problem with randomized controlled trials controlled trials controlled trials where you assign a group of people to where you assign a group of people to where you assign a group of people to one intervention and assign the other one intervention and assign the other one intervention and assign the other group to a placebo it's not a problem group to a placebo it's not a problem group to a placebo it's not a problem with those trials this is a prospective with those trials this is a prospective with those trials this is a prospective cohort study where we look at what cohort study where we look at what cohort study where we look at what everybody's doing at baseline and just everybody's doing at baseline and just everybody's doing at baseline and just follow them we don't assign people to follow them we don't assign people to follow them we don't assign people to anything anything anything so there's a potential for reverse so there's a potential for reverse so there's a potential for reverse causation causing these problems causation causing these problems causation causing these problems and today there's been no randomized and today there's been no randomized and today there's been no randomized control trial looking at sauna use for control trial looking at sauna use for control trial looking at sauna use for the prevention of these diseases why the prevention of these diseases why the prevention of these diseases why because if this study was so profound because if this study was so profound because if this study was so profound and important and important and important and could change everything the way that and could change everything the way that and could change everything the way that we see about health we see about health we see about health then then then these randomized control trials would be these randomized control trials would be these randomized control trials would be done immediately but there's a lot of questions about but there's a lot of questions about whether or not these these trials whether or not these these trials whether or not these these trials actually indicate or i'm sorry whether actually indicate or i'm sorry whether actually indicate or i'm sorry whether or not these perspective cohort studies or not these perspective cohort studies or not these perspective cohort studies actually indicate a real effect so actually indicate a real effect so actually indicate a real effect so people are people are people are a little blase
17:00a little blase a little blase but this is never communicated by rhonda but this is never communicated by rhonda but this is never communicated by rhonda or huberman anywhere it's never or huberman anywhere it's never or huberman anywhere it's never communicated they never talk about it communicated they never talk about it communicated they never talk about it anywhere anywhere anywhere they never talk about it they never talk about it they never talk about it they never discuss it they never tell they never discuss it they never tell they never discuss it they never tell people these caveats that's not healthy people these caveats that's not healthy people these caveats that's not healthy people that's only people with diabetes people that's only people with diabetes people that's only people with diabetes hypertension and cardiovascular disease hypertension and cardiovascular disease hypertension and cardiovascular disease they never tell anybody that they never tell anybody about the they never tell anybody about the problem for controlling for problem for controlling for problem for controlling for socioeconomic status they never do and here's where it gets even more and here's where it gets even more interesting interesting interesting sana bathing in this other article sana bathing in this other article sana bathing in this other article called it's again the same title it's called it's again the same title it's called it's again the same title it's the same commentary it's by epstein and the same commentary it's by epstein and the same commentary it's by epstein and schoenfeld schoenfeld schoenfeld joram epstein and it says sauna bathing might potentially it says sauna bathing might potentially be harmful and should also be used with be harmful and should also be used with be harmful and should also be used with caution core body temperature may be caution core body temperature may be caution core body temperature may be raised by one to two degrees for 15 to raised by one to two degrees for 15 to raised by one to two degrees for 15 to 20 minutes which might endanger the 20 minutes which might endanger the 20 minutes which might endanger the bather by exposing him or her to heat bather by exposing him or her to heat bather by exposing him or her to heat exhaustion
18:00exhaustion exhaustion and or heat stroke again this is really and or heat stroke again this is really and or heat stroke again this is really important because if it doesn't help important because if it doesn't help important because if it doesn't help healthy people why are healthy people healthy people why are healthy people healthy people why are healthy people going in the sauna that's assuming it's going in the sauna that's assuming it's going in the sauna that's assuming it's causal causal causal if healthy people are going in the sauna if healthy people are going in the sauna if healthy people are going in the sauna to improve their health and you're to improve their health and you're to improve their health and you're increasing the chance of getting a heat increasing the chance of getting a heat increasing the chance of getting a heat stroke or heat exhaustion stroke or heat exhaustion stroke or heat exhaustion you're actually increasing risk without you're actually increasing risk without you're actually increasing risk without actually increasing the actually increasing the actually increasing the chance of benefit chance of benefit chance of benefit and yet this this intervention is banded and yet this this intervention is banded and yet this this intervention is banded about by huberman and rhonda as if this about by huberman and rhonda as if this about by huberman and rhonda as if this is some sort of great thing that is some sort of great thing that is some sort of great thing that everybody should be doing is going to everybody should be doing is going to everybody should be doing is going to decrease your risk of mortality by like decrease your risk of mortality by like decrease your risk of mortality by like 27 27 27 but there's no evidence for this but there's no evidence for this but there's no evidence for this in fact there's a substantial amount of in fact there's a substantial amount of in fact there's a substantial amount of evidence it could be only harmful and no evidence it could be only harmful and no evidence it could be only harmful and no benefit at all and the apparent benefit benefit at all and the apparent benefit benefit at all and the apparent benefit is entirely due to reverse causation but is entirely due to reverse causation but is entirely due to reverse causation but they never mentioned this these are they never mentioned this these are they never mentioned this these are scientists in this academic literature scientists in this academic literature scientists in this academic literature what these science communicators are what these science communicators are what these science communicators are doing is not communicating science doing is not communicating science doing is not communicating science they're communicating hype in order to they're communicating hype in order to they're communicating hype in order to get clicks and follows and money get clicks and follows and money get clicks and follows and money let's keep reading this they're let's keep reading this they're let's keep reading this they're increasing core temperature increasing core temperature increasing core temperature causing peripheral vasodilation dilation causing peripheral vasodilation dilation causing peripheral vasodilation dilation might be associated with orthostatic might be associated with orthostatic might be associated with orthostatic hypotension and fainting a rapid
19:00hypotension and fainting a rapid hypotension and fainting a rapid increase in heart rate that may exceed increase in heart rate that may exceed increase in heart rate that may exceed 160 beats per minute and changes in 160 beats per minute and changes in 160 beats per minute and changes in electrocardiography electrocardiography electrocardiography represents significant cardiovascular represents significant cardiovascular represents significant cardiovascular stresses combining sauna bathing with stresses combining sauna bathing with stresses combining sauna bathing with alcohol consumption a common habit alcohol consumption a common habit alcohol consumption a common habit has been reported to be a major has been reported to be a major has been reported to be a major contributing factor for sudden death contributing factor for sudden death contributing factor for sudden death while sonobathing accounting for one to while sonobathing accounting for one to while sonobathing accounting for one to two percent of this adverse event two percent of this adverse event two percent of this adverse event while sauna bathing is usually tolerated while sauna bathing is usually tolerated while sauna bathing is usually tolerated by individuals who are prone to hyper by individuals who are prone to hyper by individuals who are prone to hyper hypo hypo hypo orthostatic hypotension overweight orthostatic hypotension overweight orthostatic hypotension overweight individuals who are less tolerant to individuals who are less tolerant to individuals who are less tolerant to heat patients with severe aortic heat patients with severe aortic heat patients with severe aortic stenosis unstable angina pectoris stenosis unstable angina pectoris stenosis unstable angina pectoris and individuals who have suffered a and individuals who have suffered a and individuals who have suffered a recent myocardial infarction heart recent myocardial infarction heart recent myocardial infarction heart attack they should consult the physician attack they should consult the physician attack they should consult the physician before sauna baiting before sauna baiting before sauna baiting so if you think this is going to cause so if you think this is going to cause so if you think this is going to cause you a longer life but it actually ends you a longer life but it actually ends you a longer life but it actually ends up hurting you it's not going to cause up hurting you it's not going to cause up hurting you it's not going to cause you a longer life and it may actually you a longer life and it may actually you a longer life and it may actually not cause you a longer life and you're not cause you a longer life and you're not cause you a longer life and you're doing this all for not and nobody's ever doing this all for not and nobody's ever doing this all for not and nobody's ever talked to you about this talked to you about this talked to you about this this whole thing has been bandied about this whole thing has been bandied about this whole thing has been bandied about by rhonda patrick for like 10 years now by rhonda patrick for like 10 years now by rhonda patrick for like 10 years now about something like 10 years but like
20:00about something like 10 years but like about something like 10 years but like like almost 10 years like five like like almost 10 years like five like like almost 10 years like five like seven years by rhonda ever since these seven years by rhonda ever since these seven years by rhonda ever since these papers came out and jam papers came out and jam papers came out and jam internal medicine internal medicine internal medicine ever since these papers came out ever since these papers came out ever since these papers came out in conclusion this is some nasty stuff in conclusion this is some nasty stuff in conclusion this is some nasty stuff this is not something we want to be this is not something we want to be this is not something we want to be playing around with playing around with playing around with because it could be dangerous there's no because it could be dangerous there's no because it could be dangerous there's no strong evidence there's no randomized strong evidence there's no randomized strong evidence there's no randomized controlled trial evidence that this is controlled trial evidence that this is controlled trial evidence that this is beneficial there's a strong indication beneficial there's a strong indication beneficial there's a strong indication in healthy people it's not beneficial in healthy people it's not beneficial in healthy people it's not beneficial there's a strong possibility that among there's a strong possibility that among there's a strong possibility that among people with disease that this is caused people with disease that this is caused people with disease that this is caused by reverse causation the apparent by reverse causation the apparent by reverse causation the apparent benefit is caused by reverse causation benefit is caused by reverse causation benefit is caused by reverse causation it's not caused by the actual sauna it's not caused by the actual sauna it's not caused by the actual sauna bathing itself yet it's bandied about bathing itself yet it's bandied about bathing itself yet it's bandied about and these people want people to do it and these people want people to do it and these people want people to do it even though there's a substantial risk even though there's a substantial risk even though there's a substantial risk for harm and there's no strong evidence for harm and there's no strong evidence for harm and there's no strong evidence so the science is being misrepresented so the science is being misrepresented so the science is being misrepresented uh at everybody else's expense uh at everybody else's expense uh at everybody else's expense at my expense at your expense at all the at my expense at your expense at all the at my expense at your expense at all the listeners expense in order to make money listeners expense in order to make money listeners expense in order to make money and it's harming public health and it's harming public health and it's harming public health potentially it's potentially harming potentially it's potentially harming potentially it's potentially harming public health by getting people to do public health by getting people to do public health by getting people to do this thing that maybe a waste of
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