Unlocking the Benefits of Cold Exposure Therapy for Optimal Health - Full Transcript

00:00i'm i'm not prescribing anything i'm i'm not prescribing anything everything that we've read says that everything that we've read says that everything that we've read says that it's beneficial for it's beneficial for it's beneficial for women and for men especially in a women and for men especially in a women and for men especially in a reproductive health kind of way reproductive health kind of way reproductive health kind of way let's ditch the quick fix and dive into let's ditch the quick fix and dive into let's ditch the quick fix and dive into today's conversation welcome everybody today's conversation welcome everybody today's conversation welcome everybody my guest today is dr thomas seeger dr my guest today is dr thomas seeger dr my guest today is dr thomas seeger dr seger teaches engineering business seger teaches engineering business seger teaches engineering business practices at arizona state university he practices at arizona state university he practices at arizona state university he is a co-founder of the rosco forge llc is a co-founder of the rosco forge llc is a co-founder of the rosco forge llc and co-inventor of the world's first ice and co-inventor of the world's first ice and co-inventor of the world's first ice bath that makes its own ice dr seger bath that makes its own ice dr seger bath that makes its own ice dr seger combines his experience transforming his combines his experience transforming his combines his experience transforming his health and quality of life with the health and quality of life with the health and quality of life with the science of deliberate cold exposure to science of deliberate cold exposure to science of deliberate cold exposure to reveal the extraordinary benefits of reveal the extraordinary benefits of reveal the extraordinary benefits of restoring ancestral conditions of cold restoring ancestral conditions of cold restoring ancestral conditions of cold exposure to our modern lives welcome dr exposure to our modern lives welcome dr exposure to our modern lives welcome dr seeger very excited to have you here seeger very excited to have you here seeger very excited to have you here today thank you today thank you today thank you yes so yes so yes so i thought it'd be good to just kind of i thought it'd be good to just kind of i thought it'd be good to just kind of start off with you giving us a little start off with you giving us a little start off with you giving us a little bit more of the history i just kind of bit more of the history i just kind of bit more of the history i just kind of touched on uh with yourself and with touched on uh with yourself and with touched on uh with yourself and with cold therapy cold therapy cold therapy and then specifically you know

01:00and then specifically you know and then specifically you know your new uh your new product the first your new uh your new product the first your new uh your new product the first ice bath that makes its own ice that's ice bath that makes its own ice that's ice bath that makes its own ice that's pretty cool thanks i should make a pretty cool thanks i should make a pretty cool thanks i should make a distinction i'm a doctor of philosophy distinction i'm a doctor of philosophy distinction i'm a doctor of philosophy in engineering the only reason you call in engineering the only reason you call in engineering the only reason you call me dr seger is because i teach at a me dr seger is because i teach at a me dr seger is because i teach at a major university and you're a medical major university and you're a medical major university and you're a medical doctor so the doctor so the doctor so the this you know i this you know i this you know i the phd and the md two different kinds the phd and the md two different kinds the phd and the md two different kinds of advice i know how to read literature of advice i know how to read literature of advice i know how to read literature and organize knowledge and do research and organize knowledge and do research and organize knowledge and do research and i don't know how to give medical and i don't know how to give medical and i don't know how to give medical advice that's your advice that's your advice that's your department instead i talk about my department instead i talk about my department instead i talk about my experiences and what's happened to me experiences and what's happened to me experiences and what's happened to me what's worked for me and then i what's worked for me and then i what's worked for me and then i encourage people to experiment for encourage people to experiment for encourage people to experiment for themselves and often you've probably themselves and often you've probably themselves and often you've probably read some of the articles i talk about read some of the articles i talk about read some of the articles i talk about my experiences and then i'll go to the my experiences and then i'll go to the my experiences and then i'll go to the library and i'll look for the scientific library and i'll look for the scientific library and i'll look for the scientific evidence that explains what's happening evidence that explains what's happening evidence that explains what's happening to me and that might encourage other to me and that might encourage other to me and that might encourage other people to think about what experiments people to think about what experiments people to think about what experiments they want to run and what they would

02:00they want to run and what they would they want to run and what they would expect so one of those has been ice expect so one of those has been ice expect so one of those has been ice baths and it's been the biggest and most baths and it's been the biggest and most baths and it's been the biggest and most transformative of all the different transformative of all the different transformative of all the different things whether it's ketosis or things whether it's ketosis or things whether it's ketosis or intermittent fasting or some other intermittent fasting or some other intermittent fasting or some other alternative alternative alternative technologies for health the ice baths technologies for health the ice baths technologies for health the ice baths are the one that i've committed to hard are the one that i've committed to hard are the one that i've committed to hard and it might be because i live in and it might be because i live in and it might be because i live in phoenix arizona and cold showers aren't phoenix arizona and cold showers aren't phoenix arizona and cold showers aren't available maybe three months out of the available maybe three months out of the available maybe three months out of the year we can do cold showers i started year we can do cold showers i started year we can do cold showers i started that way uh it was winter and here the that way uh it was winter and here the that way uh it was winter and here the tap water gets down to the low 60s in tap water gets down to the low 60s in tap water gets down to the low 60s in the winter which isn't very cold at all the winter which isn't very cold at all the winter which isn't very cold at all but i hated them there's something about but i hated them there's something about but i hated them there's something about you know you know you know your shoulder is wet and cold and the your shoulder is wet and cold and the your shoulder is wet and cold and the rest of you is warm and rest of you is warm and rest of you is warm and the cold showers made me angry the cold showers made me angry the cold showers made me angry but i did them but i did them but i did them and i did them because and i did them because and i did them because not so much i wasn't looking for the not so much i wasn't looking for the not so much i wasn't looking for the metabolic benefits i was looking for the metabolic benefits i was looking for the metabolic benefits i was looking for the psychological benefits psychological benefits psychological benefits in my university life i study resilience in my university life i study resilience in my university life i study resilience and so this would be how does our

03:00and so this would be how does our and so this would be how does our infrastructure i'm a civil engineer how infrastructure i'm a civil engineer how infrastructure i'm a civil engineer how does it respond to catastrophe that does it respond to catastrophe that does it respond to catastrophe that could be a power outage or it could be a could be a power outage or it could be a could be a power outage or it could be a hurricane or it could be a deliberate hurricane or it could be a deliberate hurricane or it could be a deliberate attack and one of the things that i attack and one of the things that i attack and one of the things that i figured out is that it is the human figured out is that it is the human figured out is that it is the human response is the creativity of the human response is the creativity of the human response is the creativity of the human beings that will make or break our beings that will make or break our beings that will make or break our response to any catastrophe we want our response to any catastrophe we want our response to any catastrophe we want our infrastructure to be strong but in the infrastructure to be strong but in the infrastructure to be strong but in the throes of a catastrophe it's not about throes of a catastrophe it's not about throes of a catastrophe it's not about the steel or the concrete or the the steel or the concrete or the the steel or the concrete or the electric power lines it's about how electric power lines it's about how electric power lines it's about how people respond to those threats there's people respond to those threats there's people respond to those threats there's a psychological component and a psychological component and a psychological component and partly because i was going through my partly because i was going through my partly because i was going through my own life changes and i had my own own life changes and i had my own own life changes and i had my own stressors and i wanted to understand stressors and i wanted to understand stressors and i wanted to understand this human resilience component better i this human resilience component better i this human resilience component better i started the cold showers started the cold showers started the cold showers then in the summertime cold showers then in the summertime cold showers then in the summertime cold showers aren't feasible so aren't feasible so aren't feasible so my partner jason and i uh you know we my partner jason and i uh you know we my partner jason and i uh you know we bought a horse trough and we bought a bought a horse trough and we bought a bought a horse trough and we bought a bunch of ice and we started on the bunch of ice and we started on the bunch of ice and we started on the weekend 200 pounds of ice it doesn't

04:00weekend 200 pounds of ice it doesn't weekend 200 pounds of ice it doesn't last very long when it's 110 degrees in last very long when it's 110 degrees in last very long when it's 110 degrees in jason's backyard in phoenix and we're jason's backyard in phoenix and we're jason's backyard in phoenix and we're both engineers and we thought well we both engineers and we thought well we both engineers and we thought well we ought to be able to do this we started ought to be able to do this we started ought to be able to do this we started taking apart freezers taking apart freezers taking apart freezers we started to learn we started to learn we started to learn how the technology of refrigeration how the technology of refrigeration how the technology of refrigeration works now i got a phd and i've done my works now i got a phd and i've done my works now i got a phd and i've done my research in environmental thermodynamics research in environmental thermodynamics research in environmental thermodynamics understand entropy i understand enthalpy understand entropy i understand enthalpy understand entropy i understand enthalpy and heat transfer but it's a totally and heat transfer but it's a totally and heat transfer but it's a totally different thing when you're trying to different thing when you're trying to different thing when you're trying to get a compressor and a bunch of coils to get a compressor and a bunch of coils to get a compressor and a bunch of coils to do it in practice all the equations that do it in practice all the equations that do it in practice all the equations that i learned um weren't helping us out at i learned um weren't helping us out at i learned um weren't helping us out at all all all took us months took us months took us months and we figured out how to make ice and we figured out how to make ice and we figured out how to make ice we had a party we invited a bunch of we had a party we invited a bunch of we had a party we invited a bunch of friends over and one of them said he friends over and one of them said he friends over and one of them said he loved it and wanted to buy it loved it and wanted to buy it loved it and wanted to buy it that's when we thought uh gosh we should that's when we thought uh gosh we should that's when we thought uh gosh we should make you know we should have a business make you know we should have a business make you know we should have a business and we thought we might make uh one or and we thought we might make uh one or and we thought we might make uh one or two forge a month and sell them to our two forge a month and sell them to our two forge a month and sell them to our friends and that kind of thing and we've

05:00friends and that kind of thing and we've friends and that kind of thing and we've gone nuts i went up to my eyeballs in gone nuts i went up to my eyeballs in gone nuts i went up to my eyeballs in credit card debt jason went months credit card debt jason went months credit card debt jason went months behind on his mortgage because behind on his mortgage because behind on his mortgage because we got so we got so we got so into this mission and this startup life into this mission and this startup life into this mission and this startup life that um we reached a point of no turning that um we reached a point of no turning that um we reached a point of no turning back it's been funny because morales back it's been funny because morales back it's been funny because morales co-forge is both the cause of stress and co-forge is both the cause of stress and co-forge is both the cause of stress and the answer to it in the answer to it in the answer to it in our lives right now uh we're doing these our lives right now uh we're doing these our lives right now uh we're doing these kinds of podcasts and we're kinds of podcasts and we're kinds of podcasts and we're proselytizing about cold exposure and proselytizing about cold exposure and proselytizing about cold exposure and we're trying to share what we've learned we're trying to share what we've learned we're trying to share what we've learned so that other people can benefit and uh so that other people can benefit and uh so that other people can benefit and uh that's how i met you that's awesome and that's how i met you that's awesome and that's how i met you that's awesome and so how long has it been since the so how long has it been since the so how long has it been since the company started how many years are you company started how many years are you company started how many years are you in now three years three years yeah i in now three years three years yeah i in now three years three years yeah i think think think when we started when we started when we started there was wasn't really anything like there was wasn't really anything like there was wasn't really anything like what we were trying to do on the market what we were trying to do on the market what we were trying to do on the market there was one competitor they got down there was one competitor they got down there was one competitor they got down to 42 degrees and i think they do a to 42 degrees and i think they do a to 42 degrees and i think they do a pretty good job they were mostly selling pretty good job they were mostly selling pretty good job they were mostly selling to teams for exercise recovery and we

06:00to teams for exercise recovery and we to teams for exercise recovery and we wanted to do something different we wanted to do something different we wanted to do something different we wanted to make ice we wanted floating wanted to make ice we wanted floating wanted to make ice we wanted floating chunks of ice in the water partly chunks of ice in the water partly chunks of ice in the water partly because of the aesthetic of it um i mean because of the aesthetic of it um i mean because of the aesthetic of it um i mean it sounds good it feels good and partly it sounds good it feels good and partly it sounds good it feels good and partly because when i look down in my forge and because when i look down in my forge and because when i look down in my forge and i see i see i see ice there i don't need a thermometer i ice there i don't need a thermometer i ice there i don't need a thermometer i know it's cold right it creates um that know it's cold right it creates um that know it's cold right it creates um that anticipatory anxiety and i've got a good anticipatory anxiety and i've got a good anticipatory anxiety and i've got a good article on our website it says set your article on our website it says set your article on our website it says set your forge to a temperature that frightens forge to a temperature that frightens forge to a temperature that frightens you because part of the psychological you because part of the psychological you because part of the psychological benefits is putting yourself into that benefits is putting yourself into that benefits is putting yourself into that sympathetic fight or flight state where sympathetic fight or flight state where sympathetic fight or flight state where every cell in your body is screaming at every cell in your body is screaming at every cell in your body is screaming at your brain saying we're going to die your brain saying we're going to die your brain saying we're going to die you've got to get us out of here you've got to get us out of here you've got to get us out of here and then the brain the challenge is to and then the brain the challenge is to and then the brain the challenge is to talk back to your body and say this is talk back to your body and say this is talk back to your body and say this is what cold feels like this is not death what cold feels like this is not death what cold feels like this is not death this is not some existential panic this is not some existential panic this is not some existential panic crisis

07:00crisis crisis we're gonna feel cold because i said so we're gonna feel cold because i said so we're gonna feel cold because i said so you know so you know so you know so before we get into some of those before we get into some of those before we get into some of those benefits and i'm i'm excited to get benefits and i'm i'm excited to get benefits and i'm i'm excited to get there uh what about some of the history there uh what about some of the history there uh what about some of the history of cultures that have used ice therapy of cultures that have used ice therapy of cultures that have used ice therapy whether it's been cold water exposure whether it's been cold water exposure whether it's been cold water exposure maybe it's snow exposure to the skin maybe it's snow exposure to the skin maybe it's snow exposure to the skin maybe it's air exposure um maybe it's air exposure um maybe it's air exposure um have you studied some of that what's have you studied some of that what's have you studied some of that what's some of the history some of the history some of the history there well it's funny you should mention there well it's funny you should mention there well it's funny you should mention it because um before it seemed like the it because um before it seemed like the it because um before it seemed like the whole world lost their minds and we went whole world lost their minds and we went whole world lost their minds and we went on travel lockdown i used to do a lot of on travel lockdown i used to do a lot of on travel lockdown i used to do a lot of travel for my job a lot of lecturing um travel for my job a lot of lecturing um travel for my job a lot of lecturing um the army corps invited me to a seminar the army corps invited me to a seminar the army corps invited me to a seminar on arctic security and this is in the on arctic security and this is in the on arctic security and this is in the dead of winter january it's in rovaniemi dead of winter january it's in rovaniemi dead of winter january it's in rovaniemi finland um it's great i go up there with finland um it's great i go up there with finland um it's great i go up there with a bunch of other nato nations and a bunch of other nato nations and a bunch of other nato nations and scientists and we're going to talk about scientists and we're going to talk about scientists and we're going to talk about cyber attacks and infrastructure cyber attacks and infrastructure cyber attacks and infrastructure but it's rovaniemi in january so i have but it's rovaniemi in january so i have but it's rovaniemi in january so i have to get ready for the cold and i live in

08:00to get ready for the cold and i live in to get ready for the cold and i live in phoenix i had to buy a bunch of stuff phoenix i had to buy a bunch of stuff phoenix i had to buy a bunch of stuff that you know i haven't had in my that you know i haven't had in my that you know i haven't had in my wardrobe since i went to grad school in wardrobe since i went to grad school in wardrobe since i went to grad school in northern new york so i'm getting the northern new york so i'm getting the northern new york so i'm getting the long johns i'm getting the you know long johns i'm getting the you know long johns i'm getting the you know socks and i got my raincoat and when i socks and i got my raincoat and when i socks and i got my raincoat and when i checked in the hotel they laughed at me checked in the hotel they laughed at me checked in the hotel they laughed at me and said is that all you brought and said is that all you brought and said is that all you brought i said i said i said they said you're up in santa claus they said you're up in santa claus they said you're up in santa claus country now um country now um country now um i went out skiing they have a little i went out skiing they have a little i went out skiing they have a little bunny slope uh nothing too extraordinary bunny slope uh nothing too extraordinary bunny slope uh nothing too extraordinary and it was great and it was great and it was great it was great because i'd already it was great because i'd already it was great because i'd already acclimated myself to the cold i've built acclimated myself to the cold i've built acclimated myself to the cold i've built up the brown fat that up the brown fat that up the brown fat that burns fat and clears glucose from my burns fat and clears glucose from my burns fat and clears glucose from my bloodstream keeps myself warm it's bloodstream keeps myself warm it's bloodstream keeps myself warm it's called non-shivering thermogenesis okay called non-shivering thermogenesis okay called non-shivering thermogenesis okay so here i am in you know my silkies and so here i am in you know my silkies and so here i am in you know my silkies and a sweater and a raincoat and i'm doing a sweater and a raincoat and i'm doing a sweater and a raincoat and i'm doing great in every hotel room where we great in every hotel room where we great in every hotel room where we stayed during this uh nato workshop um stayed during this uh nato workshop um stayed during this uh nato workshop um there's a sauna because the fins are

09:00there's a sauna because the fins are there's a sauna because the fins are into this long history history into this long history history into this long history history um and evidently they take the cold for um and evidently they take the cold for um and evidently they take the cold for granted because if you want to get you granted because if you want to get you granted because if you want to get you go outside during the winter time and go outside during the winter time and go outside during the winter time and it's plenty cold and they jump back and it's plenty cold and they jump back and it's plenty cold and they jump back and forth now it turns out there's some good forth now it turns out there's some good forth now it turns out there's some good science on sona for longevity on science on sona for longevity on science on sona for longevity on contrast therapy and how it helps you contrast therapy and how it helps you contrast therapy and how it helps you live a longer quality of life and live a longer quality of life and live a longer quality of life and longer duration of life too and most of longer duration of life too and most of longer duration of life too and most of it is coming from the scandinavian it is coming from the scandinavian it is coming from the scandinavian countries from finland and from russia countries from finland and from russia countries from finland and from russia where they get seasonal access to cold where they get seasonal access to cold where they get seasonal access to cold in phoenix i don't have that correct in phoenix i don't have that correct in phoenix i don't have that correct something happens to the people who move something happens to the people who move something happens to the people who move here it takes a couple or three years here it takes a couple or three years here it takes a couple or three years and we have a term called the phoenix and we have a term called the phoenix and we have a term called the phoenix wimp where wimp where wimp where where i went to grad school potsdam new where i went to grad school potsdam new where i went to grad school potsdam new york it's north of lake placid and you york it's north of lake placid and you york it's north of lake placid and you can imagine in march the snow would can imagine in march the snow would can imagine in march the snow would start to melt to get up to be 40 degrees start to melt to get up to be 40 degrees start to melt to get up to be 40 degrees and we'd go outside in our shorts we'd and we'd go outside in our shorts we'd and we'd go outside in our shorts we'd play frisbee and we're like this is play frisbee and we're like this is play frisbee and we're like this is fantastic but after a few years of

10:00fantastic but after a few years of fantastic but after a few years of living in phoenix people lose their living in phoenix people lose their living in phoenix people lose their brown fat and it'll get down to 65 and brown fat and it'll get down to 65 and brown fat and it'll get down to 65 and they'll put on their caps and that scarf they'll put on their caps and that scarf they'll put on their caps and that scarf and their winter coats and their winter coats and their winter coats and i'm going that's not cold this is and i'm going that's not cold this is and i'm going that's not cold this is the phoenix wind because they lose their the phoenix wind because they lose their the phoenix wind because they lose their acclimation to cold called my ancestors acclimation to cold called my ancestors acclimation to cold called my ancestors um you know going way back um you know going way back um you know going way back whether it's the pilgrims or before the whether it's the pilgrims or before the whether it's the pilgrims or before the pilgrims they hated to be uncomfortable pilgrims they hated to be uncomfortable pilgrims they hated to be uncomfortable the because they're on the edge of the because they're on the edge of the because they're on the edge of starvation all winter long in northern starvation all winter long in northern starvation all winter long in northern europe or in new england europe or in new england europe or in new england and of course the fire is comfortable and of course the fire is comfortable and of course the fire is comfortable and they get plenty of cold exposure but and they get plenty of cold exposure but and they get plenty of cold exposure but me me me my body is not adapted to our my body is not adapted to our my body is not adapted to our technological industrialized technological industrialized technological industrialized climate-controlled comfortable life climate-controlled comfortable life climate-controlled comfortable life right and so i have to seek that right and so i have to seek that right and so i have to seek that discomfort to stay healthy in ways that discomfort to stay healthy in ways that discomfort to stay healthy in ways that my ancestors took for granted you know my ancestors took for granted you know my ancestors took for granted you know and that it's a good way to transition and that it's a good way to transition and that it's a good way to transition into the benefits because when it comes

11:00into the benefits because when it comes into the benefits because when it comes to health the idea that a lot of people to health the idea that a lot of people to health the idea that a lot of people really kind of gravitate to sometimes really kind of gravitate to sometimes really kind of gravitate to sometimes and unfortunately too many times is the and unfortunately too many times is the and unfortunately too many times is the very simple approach rather than doing very simple approach rather than doing very simple approach rather than doing what it really takes to stress the body what it really takes to stress the body what it really takes to stress the body in so many different ways to get the in so many different ways to get the in so many different ways to get the body to respond body to respond body to respond to be stronger that's what we're talking to be stronger that's what we're talking to be stronger that's what we're talking about right we're asking the body to about right we're asking the body to about right we're asking the body to respond to be stronger so you do respond to be stronger so you do respond to be stronger so you do exercise you can do some exercises that exercise you can do some exercises that exercise you can do some exercises that may get you going a little bit but if may get you going a little bit but if may get you going a little bit but if you really want to stress the body to you really want to stress the body to you really want to stress the body to rebuild and repair itself stronger you rebuild and repair itself stronger you rebuild and repair itself stronger you really have to kind of stress it and and really have to kind of stress it and and really have to kind of stress it and and that's unique to each individual no that's unique to each individual no that's unique to each individual no nobody nobody nobody you know is going to be on the same page you know is going to be on the same page you know is going to be on the same page you know everybody's got their own you know everybody's got their own you know everybody's got their own individuality and that's the why the one individuality and that's the why the one individuality and that's the why the one size fits all doesn't apply but using size fits all doesn't apply but using size fits all doesn't apply but using lots of different methods in different lots of different methods in different lots of different methods in different ways ways ways can really make a big benefit and so can really make a big benefit and so can really make a big benefit and so yeah if you're in phoenix you're not yeah if you're in phoenix you're not yeah if you're in phoenix you're not getting enough cold exposure i'm up in getting enough cold exposure i'm up in getting enough cold exposure i'm up in washington we get a little bit of both washington we get a little bit of both washington we get a little bit of both um you know i'm on the hood canal and i um you know i'm on the hood canal and i um you know i'm on the hood canal and i was gonna ask you this question and i was gonna ask you this question and i was gonna ask you this question and i was thinking maybe i should start trying was thinking maybe i should start trying was thinking maybe i should start trying to do a little bit of that before i

12:00to do a little bit of that before i to do a little bit of that before i graduate to a to a forge graduate to a to a forge graduate to a to a forge you know for the summertime so yeah so you know for the summertime so yeah so you know for the summertime so yeah so the benefits that we're talking about the benefits that we're talking about the benefits that we're talking about here is how the body rebuilds and here is how the body rebuilds and here is how the body rebuilds and repairs itself when it's exposed to repairs itself when it's exposed to repairs itself when it's exposed to these things so what are some of some of these things so what are some of some of these things so what are some of some of what some of the what some of the what some of the physical benefits that you're already physical benefits that you're already physical benefits that you're already kind of touching on and then kind of touching on and then kind of touching on and then i think really importantly the i think really importantly the i think really importantly the psychological benefits as well well psychological benefits as well well psychological benefits as well well benjamin bickman he's a phd i'm benjamin bickman he's a phd i'm benjamin bickman he's a phd i'm forgetting the university but he wrote a forgetting the university but he wrote a forgetting the university but he wrote a great book called why we get sick and great book called why we get sick and great book called why we get sick and it's principally about insulin it's principally about insulin it's principally about insulin resistance there's something like 500 resistance there's something like 500 resistance there's something like 500 million dollars a year we spend on million dollars a year we spend on million dollars a year we spend on treating diabetes my son is type 1 treating diabetes my son is type 1 treating diabetes my son is type 1 diabetic and it's a little bit different diabetic and it's a little bit different diabetic and it's a little bit different it's not reversible because his body no it's not reversible because his body no it's not reversible because his body no longer makes insulin but type 2 diabetes longer makes insulin but type 2 diabetes longer makes insulin but type 2 diabetes is this extension of insulin resistance is this extension of insulin resistance is this extension of insulin resistance most of us most adults have some because most of us most adults have some because most of us most adults have some because of our western diet and our comfortable of our western diet and our comfortable of our western diet and our comfortable lives have some insulin resistance and lives have some insulin resistance and lives have some insulin resistance and when that insulin resistance gets when that insulin resistance gets when that insulin resistance gets extreme extreme extreme then glucose stays in the bloodstream then glucose stays in the bloodstream then glucose stays in the bloodstream instead of entering the cell the job of

13:00instead of entering the cell the job of instead of entering the cell the job of insulin is to carry is to transport insulin is to carry is to transport insulin is to carry is to transport glucose across that barrier into the glucose across that barrier into the glucose across that barrier into the cell where it can reach the mitochondria cell where it can reach the mitochondria cell where it can reach the mitochondria and be metabolized well bickman's thesis and be metabolized well bickman's thesis and be metabolized well bickman's thesis is that insulin resistant is pervasive is that insulin resistant is pervasive is that insulin resistant is pervasive and that it is the determining factor in and that it is the determining factor in and that it is the determining factor in eight out of the ten leading causes of eight out of the ten leading causes of eight out of the ten leading causes of disease that all correlate with age disease that all correlate with age disease that all correlate with age because if you don't do something about because if you don't do something about because if you don't do something about it it progresses with age this is a it it progresses with age this is a it it progresses with age this is a disorder of metabolism and there's some disorder of metabolism and there's some disorder of metabolism and there's some good reasons for it the mitochondria are good reasons for it the mitochondria are good reasons for it the mitochondria are responsible for processing we all run on responsible for processing we all run on responsible for processing we all run on electricity from processing the chemical electricity from processing the chemical electricity from processing the chemical energy and glucose or in fat into the energy and glucose or in fat into the energy and glucose or in fat into the electrical energy that we require to electrical energy that we require to electrical energy that we require to move our muscles or to keep ourselves move our muscles or to keep ourselves move our muscles or to keep ourselves warm warm warm and the mitochondria are very sensitive and the mitochondria are very sensitive and the mitochondria are very sensitive to glucose overload that is too much to glucose overload that is too much to glucose overload that is too much energy too much to process they will energy too much to process they will energy too much to process they will generate free radicals that damage the generate free radicals that damage the generate free radicals that damage the mitochondrial dna mitochondrial dna mitochondrial dna this is speculative but evidently our

14:00this is speculative but evidently our this is speculative but evidently our body protects our mitochondria body protects our mitochondria body protects our mitochondria from that premature aging by preventing from that premature aging by preventing from that premature aging by preventing the entry of glucose into the cell that the entry of glucose into the cell that the entry of glucose into the cell that is insulin resistance is the body's is insulin resistance is the body's is insulin resistance is the body's adaptive response to the constant stress adaptive response to the constant stress adaptive response to the constant stress of too many carbohydrates no place to go of too many carbohydrates no place to go of too many carbohydrates no place to go yep you can fix it with low carb with yep you can fix it with low carb with yep you can fix it with low carb with intermittent fasting and it turns out intermittent fasting and it turns out intermittent fasting and it turns out for most of us for most of us for most of us um we're not habituated to it and we're um we're not habituated to it and we're um we're not habituated to it and we're inundated with advertising messages and inundated with advertising messages and inundated with advertising messages and cultural cues to eat more carbohydrates cultural cues to eat more carbohydrates cultural cues to eat more carbohydrates uh think about uh think about uh think about you know the office hero who brings in you know the office hero who brings in you know the office hero who brings in the donuts the donuts the donuts well christmas time is coming up and oh my christmas time is coming up and oh my goodness rude to not eat the christmas goodness rude to not eat the christmas goodness rude to not eat the christmas sweets and cookies this is what i mean sweets and cookies this is what i mean sweets and cookies this is what i mean about the cultural cues sure now about the cultural cues sure now about the cultural cues sure now we can habituate ourselves because my we can habituate ourselves because my we can habituate ourselves because my son was diagnosed type one at the age of son was diagnosed type one at the age of son was diagnosed type one at the age of six six six we learned how to skew in a polite way we learned how to skew in a polite way we learned how to skew in a polite way the muffins and the cookies and things

15:00the muffins and the cookies and things the muffins and the cookies and things like that well it's not good for me oh like that well it's not good for me oh like that well it's not good for me oh it requires too much insulin and i it requires too much insulin and i it requires too much insulin and i learned a lot about insulin even before learned a lot about insulin even before learned a lot about insulin even before i read bittman's book i read bittman's book i read bittman's book what cold exposure does is clear glucose what cold exposure does is clear glucose what cold exposure does is clear glucose from the bloodstream from the bloodstream from the bloodstream and and and increase insulin sensitivity increase insulin sensitivity increase insulin sensitivity so so so exercise will do it too exercise has exercise will do it too exercise has exercise will do it too exercise has many of the metabolic benefits the cold many of the metabolic benefits the cold many of the metabolic benefits the cold exposure does it gives the energy a exposure does it gives the energy a exposure does it gives the energy a place to go it activates brown fat for place to go it activates brown fat for place to go it activates brown fat for non-shivering thermogenesis it recruits non-shivering thermogenesis it recruits non-shivering thermogenesis it recruits new brown fat to your body and brown fat new brown fat to your body and brown fat new brown fat to your body and brown fat is packed with mitochondria it helps is packed with mitochondria it helps is packed with mitochondria it helps restore the mitochondria because your restore the mitochondria because your restore the mitochondria because your body has selection mechanisms for body has selection mechanisms for body has selection mechanisms for reproducing the healthiest mitochondria reproducing the healthiest mitochondria reproducing the healthiest mitochondria as it produces as it replaces old as it produces as it replaces old as it produces as it replaces old mitochondrion as it produces new mitochondrion as it produces new mitochondrion as it produces new mitochondria for brown fat mitochondria for brown fat mitochondria for brown fat so one of the best and the fastest ways so one of the best and the fastest ways so one of the best and the fastest ways to restore yourself to metabolic health to restore yourself to metabolic health to restore yourself to metabolic health is to add a little deliberate cold is to add a little deliberate cold is to add a little deliberate cold exposure and it doesn't have to even be exposure and it doesn't have to even be exposure and it doesn't have to even be that cold 50 degrees is fine uh one way

16:00that cold 50 degrees is fine uh one way that cold 50 degrees is fine uh one way to get started is what i call under to get started is what i call under to get started is what i call under dressing so you're going to go for a dressing so you're going to go for a dressing so you're going to go for a walk or you're going to go i don't know walk or you're going to go i don't know walk or you're going to go i don't know play some winter golf or what are you play some winter golf or what are you play some winter golf or what are you gonna do outside sure stay outside for gonna do outside sure stay outside for gonna do outside sure stay outside for an hour or two go in shorts go on a an hour or two go in shorts go on a an hour or two go in shorts go on a t-shirt your neighbors are gonna think t-shirt your neighbors are gonna think t-shirt your neighbors are gonna think you're nuts right you're nuts right you're nuts right and you know they might they might ask and you know they might they might ask and you know they might they might ask you what's going on but as soon as you you what's going on but as soon as you you what's going on but as soon as you begin to feel that shiver response you begin to feel that shiver response you begin to feel that shiver response you know you've activated thermogenesis you know you've activated thermogenesis you know you've activated thermogenesis you know you're getting the metabolic know you're getting the metabolic know you're getting the metabolic benefits benefits benefits the the shiver is um the muscles they the the shiver is um the muscles they the the shiver is um the muscles they also use glucose and some fat to twitch also use glucose and some fat to twitch also use glucose and some fat to twitch so that they will generate heat brown so that they will generate heat brown so that they will generate heat brown fat is the key to fixing your metabolism fat is the key to fixing your metabolism fat is the key to fixing your metabolism it signals the thyroid the two regulate it signals the thyroid the two regulate it signals the thyroid the two regulate one another and uh when you don't have one another and uh when you don't have one another and uh when you don't have enough of it your thyroid can become enough of it your thyroid can become enough of it your thyroid can become dysregulated whether it's hypo or hyper dysregulated whether it's hypo or hyper dysregulated whether it's hypo or hyper gotcha yep eating some and the best way gotcha yep eating some and the best way gotcha yep eating some and the best way to recruit new brown fat is cold to recruit new brown fat is cold to recruit new brown fat is cold exposure exercise won't do it there's exposure exercise won't do it there's exposure exercise won't do it there's some foods and supplements that will some foods and supplements that will some foods and supplements that will help activate it but cold exposure is

17:00help activate it but cold exposure is help activate it but cold exposure is more effective than anything else for more effective than anything else for more effective than anything else for restoring your body to that brown fat restoring your body to that brown fat restoring your body to that brown fat balance that you were born with balance that you were born with balance that you were born with so you know not to get into this rabbit so you know not to get into this rabbit so you know not to get into this rabbit hole too far but um and correct me if hole too far but um and correct me if hole too far but um and correct me if i'm off off the rails here a little bit i'm off off the rails here a little bit i'm off off the rails here a little bit but you know most people are trying to but you know most people are trying to but you know most people are trying to get into a low-fat kind of diet so that get into a low-fat kind of diet so that get into a low-fat kind of diet so that they can you know be healthier and in they can you know be healthier and in they can you know be healthier and in reality most people don't realize that reality most people don't realize that reality most people don't realize that sugar is actually what processes into sugar is actually what processes into sugar is actually what processes into fat and what we're talking about here is fat and what we're talking about here is fat and what we're talking about here is you know getting the right sugar is one you know getting the right sugar is one you know getting the right sugar is one part of the puzzle but also part of the puzzle but also part of the puzzle but also understanding that we want the brown fat understanding that we want the brown fat understanding that we want the brown fat not necessarily the negative fat not necessarily the negative fat not necessarily the negative fat and so can you kind of touch on that am and so can you kind of touch on that am and so can you kind of touch on that am i in the right ballpark there yeah there i in the right ballpark there yeah there i in the right ballpark there yeah there are two types of fat and this is very are two types of fat and this is very are two types of fat and this is very difficult um difficult um difficult um because because because when i say cold exposure will recruit when i say cold exposure will recruit when i say cold exposure will recruit brown fat people say well i don't want brown fat people say well i don't want brown fat people say well i don't want fat i'm trying to change my body fat i'm trying to change my body fat i'm trying to change my body composition and i'm no you know composition and i'm no you know composition and i'm no you know instagram model of leanness or something instagram model of leanness or something instagram model of leanness or something so um they immediately get a reaction so um they immediately get a reaction so um they immediately get a reaction but there are two types but there are two types but there are two types there's more than two and five there's there's more than two and five there's there's more than two and five there's an in-between called beige but for the

18:00an in-between called beige but for the an in-between called beige but for the sake of our um discussion there's white sake of our um discussion there's white sake of our um discussion there's white fat and white fat is where energy is fat and white fat is where energy is fat and white fat is where energy is stored stored stored brown fat is where the energy is burnt brown fat is where the energy is burnt brown fat is where the energy is burnt up into heat up into heat up into heat so you need brown fat to burn the white so you need brown fat to burn the white so you need brown fat to burn the white fat and there have been a number of fat and there have been a number of fat and there have been a number of epidemiological studies and assays that epidemiological studies and assays that epidemiological studies and assays that show people with more brown fat are in show people with more brown fat are in show people with more brown fat are in fact leaner so one way to fact leaner so one way to fact leaner so one way to promote weight loss is to recruit and promote weight loss is to recruit and promote weight loss is to recruit and this ironic is to create more brown fat this ironic is to create more brown fat this ironic is to create more brown fat now it accumulates um you know on the now it accumulates um you know on the now it accumulates um you know on the top of your back and sort of at the top top of your back and sort of at the top top of your back and sort of at the top of your chest sometimes around your of your chest sometimes around your of your chest sometimes around your heart and um it sounds kind of icky uh heart and um it sounds kind of icky uh heart and um it sounds kind of icky uh but the point is it doesn't go where the but the point is it doesn't go where the but the point is it doesn't go where the white i mean i hesitate to do this damon white i mean i hesitate to do this damon white i mean i hesitate to do this damon but it doesn't go to the places that we but it doesn't go to the places that we but it doesn't go to the places that we all all want to slim down it's stored in places want to slim down it's stored in places want to slim down it's stored in places in the core of your body where it helps in the core of your body where it helps in the core of your body where it helps keep your internal organs warm when keep your internal organs warm when keep your internal organs warm when you're cold that's pretty exciting and

19:00you're cold that's pretty exciting and you're cold that's pretty exciting and it's really you know one of those things it's really you know one of those things it's really you know one of those things that it's something you kind of have to that it's something you kind of have to that it's something you kind of have to train right so train right so train right so what has been your experience what has been your experience what has been your experience for me i'm familiar with arizona been for me i'm familiar with arizona been for me i'm familiar with arizona been down there a few times we have a home in down there a few times we have a home in down there a few times we have a home in arizona that we use as a rental arizona that we use as a rental arizona that we use as a rental investment so investment so investment so it's funny because i'll be down there it's funny because i'll be down there it's funny because i'll be down there and people are in that mode you know of and people are in that mode you know of and people are in that mode you know of coats and hats and you know my wife and coats and hats and you know my wife and coats and hats and you know my wife and i are t-shirts and shorts and i wear i are t-shirts and shorts and i wear i are t-shirts and shorts and i wear t-shirts and shorts around here when i'm t-shirts and shorts around here when i'm t-shirts and shorts around here when i'm not in my office and people think i'm a not in my office and people think i'm a not in my office and people think i'm a little bit weird um but i i'm just more little bit weird um but i i'm just more little bit weird um but i i'm just more comfortable that way i wasn't comfortable that way i wasn't comfortable that way i wasn't necessarily trying to get the cold necessarily trying to get the cold necessarily trying to get the cold exposure benefit what are some of the exposure benefit what are some of the exposure benefit what are some of the uh specific uh specific uh specific um i know i've seen a couple things that um i know i've seen a couple things that um i know i've seen a couple things that you've uh you've uh you've uh shared shared shared about men for example you know prostate about men for example you know prostate about men for example you know prostate benefit um i think testosterone there benefit um i think testosterone there benefit um i think testosterone there was some japanese study i think i was some japanese study i think i was some japanese study i think i got that you had referred to what about got that you had referred to what about got that you had referred to what about those uh benefits those uh benefits those uh benefits yeah this was a happy accident that um yeah this was a happy accident that um yeah this was a happy accident that um was precipitated by a crisis in my blood was precipitated by a crisis in my blood was precipitated by a crisis in my blood work you know it started to concern

20:00work you know it started to concern work you know it started to concern myself with health and wellness and um myself with health and wellness and um myself with health and wellness and um i went to the lab and i checked all the i went to the lab and i checked all the i went to the lab and i checked all the boxes you know give me the cholesterol boxes you know give me the cholesterol boxes you know give me the cholesterol give me everything i just what about give me everything i just what about give me everything i just what about everything because in arizona you can everything because in arizona you can everything because in arizona you can order your own blood test and i'm order your own blood test and i'm order your own blood test and i'm getting into biohacking i'm a curious getting into biohacking i'm a curious getting into biohacking i'm a curious kind of guy and one of the things that kind of guy and one of the things that kind of guy and one of the things that came back was psa came back was psa came back was psa and and i was early 50s it's at an age when i was early 50s it's at an age when i was early 50s it's at an age when people can get concerned about their people can get concerned about their people can get concerned about their prostate and prostate and prostate and 7.0 what the heck was that i i got a 7.0 what the heck was that i i got a 7.0 what the heck was that i i got a little frightened little frightened little frightened um i had to do some self-education go um i had to do some self-education go um i had to do some self-education go online and i learned that the psa online and i learned that the psa online and i learned that the psa results are not definitive that they results are not definitive that they results are not definitive that they vary quite a bit that they correlate vary quite a bit that they correlate vary quite a bit that they correlate with an increased risk of cancer but with an increased risk of cancer but with an increased risk of cancer but they don't say that you have cancer and they don't say that you have cancer and they don't say that you have cancer and i thought i really need to know more one i thought i really need to know more one i thought i really need to know more one of the things that we do at of the things that we do at of the things that we do at moralescopeforge is it's no longer about moralescopeforge is it's no longer about moralescopeforge is it's no longer about the academic mode of learning the academic mode of learning the academic mode of learning exclusively i'm a scientist exclusively i'm a scientist exclusively i'm a scientist but it turns out that we do a lot of but it turns out that we do a lot of but it turns out that we do a lot of learning in storytelling just by talking learning in storytelling just by talking learning in storytelling just by talking and sharing about our experiences and

21:00and sharing about our experiences and and sharing about our experiences and that human beings are hard wired that human beings are hard wired that human beings are hard wired to learn to make sense of things through to learn to make sense of things through to learn to make sense of things through stories so i started talking to other stories so i started talking to other stories so i started talking to other men men older than me younger than me my men men older than me younger than me my men men older than me younger than me my age age age about whether they'd had any similar about whether they'd had any similar about whether they'd had any similar sort of prostate scarce and my god damon sort of prostate scarce and my god damon sort of prostate scarce and my god damon the the the story started coming out people that i story started coming out people that i story started coming out people that i was very close to were saying well yeah was very close to were saying well yeah was very close to were saying well yeah i had my prostate removed when did you i had my prostate removed when did you i had my prostate removed when did you do that they're like last year but you do that they're like last year but you do that they're like last year but you knew me last year you did why didn't you knew me last year you did why didn't you knew me last year you did why didn't you let me know that you were going under let me know that you were going under let me know that you were going under the night well tom you know it's not the night well tom you know it's not the night well tom you know it's not really the kind of thing that you talk really the kind of thing that you talk really the kind of thing that you talk about but right men don't share anywhere about but right men don't share anywhere about but right men don't share anywhere near enough information with one another near enough information with one another near enough information with one another and as i talked to men who had biopsies and as i talked to men who had biopsies and as i talked to men who had biopsies and elevated psas and prostate removal and elevated psas and prostate removal and elevated psas and prostate removal surgery surgery surgery i decided that that was not for me this i decided that that was not for me this i decided that that was not for me this is a very personal decision but my kids is a very personal decision but my kids is a very personal decision but my kids were grown and i sort of were grown and i sort of were grown and i sort of looked into my conscience i didn't want looked into my conscience i didn't want looked into my conscience i didn't want a biopsy i didn't want a biopsy i didn't want a biopsy i didn't want surgery i didn't want to go through that

22:00surgery i didn't want to go through that surgery i didn't want to go through that and i didn't want to live that way i'm and i didn't want to live that way i'm and i didn't want to live that way i'm not judging other people who do i not judging other people who do i not judging other people who do i decided that um i needed to try decided that um i needed to try decided that um i needed to try other modalities and for me that was other modalities and for me that was other modalities and for me that was going to be going to be going to be ketogenic diet intermittent fasting ketogenic diet intermittent fasting ketogenic diet intermittent fasting and see if the ketones and starving my and see if the ketones and starving my and see if the ketones and starving my body of carbohydrates body of carbohydrates body of carbohydrates could result in an improvement in my psa could result in an improvement in my psa could result in an improvement in my psa so over the next six months so over the next six months so over the next six months um you know i got down to 1.5 i got down um you know i got down to 1.5 i got down um you know i got down to 1.5 i got down to 0.8 and i was reassured by these to 0.8 and i was reassured by these to 0.8 and i was reassured by these numbers it's not a medical miracle but numbers it's not a medical miracle but numbers it's not a medical miracle but um it it sort of validated my approach um it it sort of validated my approach um it it sort of validated my approach that i didn't want to enter the that i didn't want to enter the that i didn't want to enter the traditional medical establishment and traditional medical establishment and traditional medical establishment and cut myself open and a funny thing cut myself open and a funny thing cut myself open and a funny thing happened um happened um happened um because i was checking all those blood because i was checking all those blood because i was checking all those blood boxes i was also getting testosterone boxes i was also getting testosterone boxes i was also getting testosterone readings and i started out in really readings and i started out in really readings and i started out in really good shape i forget exactly where i was good shape i forget exactly where i was good shape i forget exactly where i was like 700 or something like 700 or something like 700 or something and as i was tracking my psa my

23:00and as i was tracking my psa my and as i was tracking my psa my testosterone kept climbing until testosterone kept climbing until testosterone kept climbing until eventually i got to 1180. and you got to eventually i got to 1180. and you got to eventually i got to 1180. and you got to imagine a guy who's in his early 50s imagine a guy who's in his early 50s imagine a guy who's in his early 50s at 1180 that report came back from the at 1180 that report came back from the at 1180 that report came back from the lab with you know big red exclamation lab with you know big red exclamation lab with you know big red exclamation mark on it and it said abnormally high mark on it and it said abnormally high mark on it and it said abnormally high you know it's out of range you know it's out of range you know it's out of range so i had to learn some things about so i had to learn some things about so i had to learn some things about testosterone right is it does that sound testosterone right is it does that sound testosterone right is it does that sound right to you right to you right to you right right right right right right right right right so where did where'd you go for uh some so where did where'd you go for uh some so where did where'd you go for uh some of that information to see if that was of that information to see if that was of that information to see if that was out of out of line i go to out of out of line i go to out of out of line i go to scholar.google.com scholar.google.com scholar.google.com i mean it used to be that like when i i mean it used to be that like when i i mean it used to be that like when i started my career i had to get up out of started my career i had to get up out of started my career i had to get up out of my desk and walk to the library and my desk and walk to the library and my desk and walk to the library and peruse the journals that was like peruse the journals that was like peruse the journals that was like universities i started at purdue um and universities i started at purdue um and universities i started at purdue um and you know they had an engineering library you know they had an engineering library you know they had an engineering library and the odds that i would stumble across and the odds that i would stumble across and the odds that i would stumble across something in health or wellness or something in health or wellness or something in health or wellness or psycho psycho psycho zero because everything is so zero because everything is so zero because everything is so compartmentalized yeah internet has compartmentalized yeah internet has compartmentalized yeah internet has changed all of that now the electronic

24:00changed all of that now the electronic changed all of that now the electronic databases allow me to access literature databases allow me to access literature databases allow me to access literature journal articles from anywhere right and journal articles from anywhere right and journal articles from anywhere right and although i'm not as deep into medicine although i'm not as deep into medicine although i'm not as deep into medicine as you are and i don't understand all as you are and i don't understand all as you are and i don't understand all the microbiology the microbiology the microbiology um i can read the epidemiological um i can read the epidemiological um i can read the epidemiological studies i can read the experimental studies i can read the experimental studies i can read the experimental methods and methods and methods and i can teach myself a lot turns out i had i can teach myself a lot turns out i had i can teach myself a lot turns out i had the testosterone of an oversex 19 year the testosterone of an oversex 19 year the testosterone of an oversex 19 year old old old so i went to my urologist and he said so i went to my urologist and he said so i went to my urologist and he said i mean he didn't really let on he didn't i mean he didn't really let on he didn't i mean he didn't really let on he didn't believe me uh he said well i'm gonna believe me uh he said well i'm gonna believe me uh he said well i'm gonna send you back to the lab let's do one send you back to the lab let's do one send you back to the lab let's do one more test and it was for luteinizing more test and it was for luteinizing more test and it was for luteinizing hormone and it's not one of those that hormone and it's not one of those that hormone and it's not one of those that you can order yourself so i had to learn you can order yourself so i had to learn you can order yourself so i had to learn about that and it's a metabolic about that and it's a metabolic about that and it's a metabolic precursor to testosterone what he really precursor to testosterone what he really precursor to testosterone what he really wanted to know wanted to know wanted to know was was was was i juicing was i juicing was i juicing or was this an endogenous production or was this an endogenous production or was this an endogenous production and sure enough luteinizing hormone came and sure enough luteinizing hormone came and sure enough luteinizing hormone came up through the roof off the charts as up through the roof off the charts as up through the roof off the charts as well and that's when i knew

25:00well and that's when i knew well and that's when i knew something else was going on inside my something else was going on inside my something else was going on inside my body besides my psa body besides my psa body besides my psa and so i go to and so i go to and so i go to scholar.google.com i do a lot of scholar.google.com i do a lot of scholar.google.com i do a lot of searching and that was that early 90s searching and that was that early 90s searching and that was that early 90s study that you were talking about i've study that you were talking about i've study that you were talking about i've cited it in our the article on our cited it in our the article on our cited it in our the article on our website website website girlscopeforge.com and they took a bunch girlscopeforge.com and they took a bunch girlscopeforge.com and they took a bunch of young men college age men and they of young men college age men and they of young men college age men and they tried two things the classic is exercise tried two things the classic is exercise tried two things the classic is exercise with ice bath for recovery from exercise with ice bath for recovery from exercise with ice bath for recovery from exercise and a lot of people do this they'll do and a lot of people do this they'll do and a lot of people do this they'll do their weight training or they'll do a their weight training or they'll do a their weight training or they'll do a run and they'll soak their knees or run and they'll soak their knees or run and they'll soak their knees or something typical something typical something typical um and then they reversed it they said um and then they reversed it they said um and then they reversed it they said what if we did the ice bath and then we what if we did the ice bath and then we what if we did the ice bath and then we used the exercise to recover from the used the exercise to recover from the used the exercise to recover from the ice bath and they didn't even really do ice bath and they didn't even really do ice bath and they didn't even really do a lot of exercise they got on a bike and a lot of exercise they got on a bike and a lot of exercise they got on a bike and i forget exactly but maybe it was 20 i forget exactly but maybe it was 20 i forget exactly but maybe it was 20 minutes you know strenuous activity on minutes you know strenuous activity on minutes you know strenuous activity on the exercise bike when they did exercise the exercise bike when they did exercise the exercise bike when they did exercise then ice bath testosterone went way down then ice bath testosterone went way down then ice bath testosterone went way down luteinizing hormone went way down the luteinizing hormone went way down the luteinizing hormone went way down the cold suppressed the metabolic production cold suppressed the metabolic production cold suppressed the metabolic production of testosterone and luteinizing okay

26:00of testosterone and luteinizing okay of testosterone and luteinizing okay but when they did it the other way they but when they did it the other way they but when they did it the other way they started with the cold and then did the started with the cold and then did the started with the cold and then did the exercise exercise exercise they finished with elevated testosterone they finished with elevated testosterone they finished with elevated testosterone elevated luteinizing hormone and it elevated luteinizing hormone and it elevated luteinizing hormone and it persisted for hours and i thought persisted for hours and i thought persisted for hours and i thought this is exactly what i've been doing this is exactly what i've been doing this is exactly what i've been doing because i haven't been working out i've because i haven't been working out i've because i haven't been working out i've been doing my forage every morning and i been doing my forage every morning and i been doing my forage every morning and i get out and i have you know all this get out and i have you know all this get out and i have you know all this energy i'll get my steel mace and i'll energy i'll get my steel mace and i'll energy i'll get my steel mace and i'll do some 360s or i'll get my barbell and do some 360s or i'll get my barbell and do some 360s or i'll get my barbell and i'll do some lunges or some squats and i i'll do some lunges or some squats and i i'll do some lunges or some squats and i thought it was just to help the blood thought it was just to help the blood thought it was just to help the blood restore come back to my extremities and restore come back to my extremities and restore come back to my extremities and burn off some of that extra energy turns burn off some of that extra energy turns burn off some of that extra energy turns out i was doing exactly what these out i was doing exactly what these out i was doing exactly what these japanese scientists discovered was japanese scientists discovered was japanese scientists discovered was effective for boosting my testosterone effective for boosting my testosterone effective for boosting my testosterone so i called jason up and i said um you so i called jason up and i said um you so i called jason up and i said um you know i think i'm really on to something know i think i'm really on to something know i think i'm really on to something here will you get your testosterone here will you get your testosterone here will you get your testosterone checked checked checked he's younger than me um so he said sure he's younger than me um so he said sure he's younger than me um so he said sure he uh his birthday is in october and he he uh his birthday is in october and he he uh his birthday is in october and he gets his testosterone checked every year

27:00gets his testosterone checked every year gets his testosterone checked every year so when he was 40 um i mean it wasn't so when he was 40 um i mean it wasn't so when he was 40 um i mean it wasn't awful but his testosterone was 550 and awful but his testosterone was 550 and awful but his testosterone was 550 and most doctors would say you're doing most doctors would say you're doing most doctors would say you're doing great at 550. 40 year old man healthy great at 550. 40 year old man healthy great at 550. 40 year old man healthy year later year later year later 7 15 7 15 7 15 and most doctors would say wow you must and most doctors would say wow you must and most doctors would say wow you must be really taking care of yourself he's be really taking care of yourself he's be really taking care of yourself he's 42 last october he came back 9 13. 42 last october he came back 9 13. 42 last october he came back 9 13. yeah that means it is yeah that means it is yeah that means it is right we have my story we have the right we have my story we have the right we have my story we have the science that explains what's going on science that explains what's going on science that explains what's going on with me and now we've reproduced it in i with me and now we've reproduced it in i with me and now we've reproduced it in i mean over time but in another individual mean over time but in another individual mean over time but in another individual who has seen similar results who has seen similar results who has seen similar results this suggests that more men should be this suggests that more men should be this suggests that more men should be experimenting with cold exposure and experimenting with cold exposure and experimenting with cold exposure and then exercise and we have a number of then exercise and we have a number of then exercise and we have a number of customers who are doing exactly that customers who are doing exactly that customers who are doing exactly that i've asked them hey will you get a i've asked them hey will you get a i've asked them hey will you get a before reading you know then we'll check before reading you know then we'll check before reading you know then we'll check back in six months then we'll check back back in six months then we'll check back back in six months then we'll check back in a year and see what's going on with in a year and see what's going on with in a year and see what's going on with you yeah build out some of that you yeah build out some of that you yeah build out some of that anecdotal evidence and then hopefully anecdotal evidence and then hopefully

28:00anecdotal evidence and then hopefully the studies will continue to confirm it the studies will continue to confirm it the studies will continue to confirm it it's for me it was counterintuitive as i it's for me it was counterintuitive as i it's for me it was counterintuitive as i was preparing for this interview i was i was preparing for this interview i was i was preparing for this interview i was i going you know typically what i'm going you know typically what i'm going you know typically what i'm telling my patients hey you know warm telling my patients hey you know warm telling my patients hey you know warm your body up a little bit before you your body up a little bit before you your body up a little bit before you even stretch even stretch even stretch you know warm your body up before you do you know warm your body up before you do you know warm your body up before you do a little bit so you know and the idea a little bit so you know and the idea a little bit so you know and the idea there is to get your vascular system there is to get your vascular system there is to get your vascular system kind of moving a little bit kind of moving a little bit kind of moving a little bit um so to get you know that cold um so to get you know that cold um so to get you know that cold experience especially at that that temp experience especially at that that temp experience especially at that that temp you know 35 degrees um you know 35 degrees um you know 35 degrees um that was just kind of counter-intuitive that was just kind of counter-intuitive that was just kind of counter-intuitive but i'm excited about what you're but i'm excited about what you're but i'm excited about what you're finding and again it's just again it finding and again it's just again it finding and again it's just again it goes back to the body's just designed to goes back to the body's just designed to goes back to the body's just designed to react react react uh to what we do to it good or bad and uh to what we do to it good or bad and uh to what we do to it good or bad and and sometimes we think something's bad and sometimes we think something's bad and sometimes we think something's bad it can be good and you can always overdo it can be good and you can always overdo it can be good and you can always overdo it before i jump into uh you know some it before i jump into uh you know some it before i jump into uh you know some of the safety concerns people would have of the safety concerns people would have of the safety concerns people would have i'm curious have you found any i'm curious have you found any i'm curious have you found any particular particular particular benefits when it comes to females we benefits when it comes to females we benefits when it comes to females we talk a little about the male benefit talk a little about the male benefit talk a little about the male benefit right now and have you had any right now and have you had any right now and have you had any unique unique unique uh benefits for women well this is uh benefits for women well this is uh benefits for women well this is pretty controversial damon you know that pretty controversial damon you know that pretty controversial damon you know that in um in um in um every medical field we always

29:00every medical field we always every medical field we always uh make caveats about pregnant women you uh make caveats about pregnant women you uh make caveats about pregnant women you know but not for pregnant women because know but not for pregnant women because know but not for pregnant women because there's such a vulnerable population there's such a vulnerable population there's such a vulnerable population that most medical professionals and the that most medical professionals and the that most medical professionals and the guys who sell supplements and the guys who sell supplements and the guys who sell supplements and the trainers trainers trainers they don't want to even talk about they don't want to even talk about they don't want to even talk about pregnant women because of the pregnant women because of the pregnant women because of the liabilities that might show up there but liabilities that might show up there but liabilities that might show up there but there's a woman in germany who is vim there's a woman in germany who is vim there's a woman in germany who is vim hof certified she's a medical doctor and hof certified she's a medical doctor and hof certified she's a medical doctor and she did an instagram post about her she did an instagram post about her she did an instagram post about her sister who was practicing cold exposure sister who was practicing cold exposure sister who was practicing cold exposure in a pool in a pool in a pool during her pregnancy during her pregnancy during her pregnancy and and because she's a medical doctor and she because she's a medical doctor and she because she's a medical doctor and she said you know i think this is a good said you know i think this is a good said you know i think this is a good thing for my sister i reached out to her thing for my sister i reached out to her thing for my sister i reached out to her and said um what if we did an article uh and said um what if we did an article uh and said um what if we did an article uh could i cite your post and uh could i could i cite your post and uh could i could i cite your post and uh could i quote you in this way and she said quote you in this way and she said quote you in this way and she said absolutely turns out there's a lot of absolutely turns out there's a lot of absolutely turns out there's a lot of good science about cold exposure and good science about cold exposure and good science about cold exposure and female fertility both when you're female fertility both when you're female fertility both when you're seeking to conceive and especially in seeking to conceive and especially in seeking to conceive and especially in the first trimester the first trimester

30:00the first trimester okay okay okay because because gestational diabetes is a real and gestational diabetes is a real and gestational diabetes is a real and serious phenomenon serious phenomenon serious phenomenon it's an insulin resistant woman who it's an insulin resistant woman who it's an insulin resistant woman who manifests as diabetic during pregnancy manifests as diabetic during pregnancy manifests as diabetic during pregnancy because of the additional metabolic because of the additional metabolic because of the additional metabolic stress of pregnancy stress of pregnancy stress of pregnancy and there are risks both to the child and there are risks both to the child and there are risks both to the child and to the mom of gestational diabetes and to the mom of gestational diabetes and to the mom of gestational diabetes and so this is all kicking around in my and so this is all kicking around in my and so this is all kicking around in my mind mind mind and sure enough we discovered the and sure enough we discovered the and sure enough we discovered the studies that women who are inadvertently studies that women who are inadvertently studies that women who are inadvertently because of seasonality or because of because of seasonality or because of because of seasonality or because of their geography exposed to cold have their geography exposed to cold have their geography exposed to cold have better birth outcomes and conceive more better birth outcomes and conceive more better birth outcomes and conceive more readily women who at the wrong time readily women who at the wrong time readily women who at the wrong time during their pregnancy are exposed to during their pregnancy are exposed to during their pregnancy are exposed to heat stress their bodies and stress the heat stress their bodies and stress the heat stress their bodies and stress the fetus in ways that can be detrimental so fetus in ways that can be detrimental so fetus in ways that can be detrimental so now we have some of this epidemiological now we have some of this epidemiological now we have some of this epidemiological evidence that suggests cold exposure is evidence that suggests cold exposure is evidence that suggests cold exposure is um not just healthy or not just safe but um not just healthy or not just safe but um not just healthy or not just safe but healthy beneficial for women seeking to healthy beneficial for women seeking to healthy beneficial for women seeking to conceive and gestating and we have some

31:00conceive and gestating and we have some conceive and gestating and we have some of the mechanistic evidence that says of the mechanistic evidence that says of the mechanistic evidence that says these are exactly the people that should these are exactly the people that should these are exactly the people that should be most concerned about their metabolic be most concerned about their metabolic be most concerned about their metabolic health so i went back to this medical health so i went back to this medical health so i went back to this medical doctor in germany and i said you know doctor in germany and i said you know doctor in germany and i said you know this is what we've written up so it this is what we've written up so it this is what we've written up so it looks great um and that i felt reassured looks great um and that i felt reassured looks great um and that i felt reassured and she said by the way i'm pregnant and she said by the way i'm pregnant and she said by the way i'm pregnant congratulations and she had been you had been using the and she had been you had been using the cold exposure exactly yeah cool that's cold exposure exactly yeah cool that's cold exposure exactly yeah cool that's very cool it's not in isolation we have very cool it's not in isolation we have very cool it's not in isolation we have another customer um another customer um another customer um who who who they were trying to conceive and they um they were trying to conceive and they um they were trying to conceive and they um thought well the cold exposure would thought well the cold exposure would thought well the cold exposure would help and so sure enough we shipped them help and so sure enough we shipped them help and so sure enough we shipped them before this was very early going they before this was very early going they before this was very early going they were early adopters and i've visited were early adopters and i've visited were early adopters and i've visited them this summer and they have beautiful them this summer and they have beautiful them this summer and they have beautiful little babies they're the cutest uh little babies they're the cutest uh little babies they're the cutest uh couple and i'm not saying these are just couple and i'm not saying these are just couple and i'm not saying these are just anecdotes now and they're supported by anecdotes now and they're supported by anecdotes now and they're supported by some of the epidemiological studies i'm some of the epidemiological studies i'm some of the epidemiological studies i'm i'm not prescribing anything um what i'm

32:00i'm not prescribing anything um what i'm i'm not prescribing anything um what i'm saying is saying is saying is everything that we've read says that women and for men especially in a reproductive health kind of way have you reproductive health kind of way have you reproductive health kind of way have you experienced any you know demographic you experienced any you know demographic you experienced any you know demographic you know as far as age specific so kind of know as far as age specific so kind of know as far as age specific so kind of getting into some of these possible getting into some of these possible getting into some of these possible safety concerns that people would safety concerns that people would safety concerns that people would rightly want to know you know like is rightly want to know you know like is rightly want to know you know like is there an age is there uh risk for people there an age is there uh risk for people there an age is there uh risk for people that have cardiovascular issues is there that have cardiovascular issues is there that have cardiovascular issues is there a certain time how much time can you a certain time how much time can you a certain time how much time can you spend before you really do get into spend before you really do get into spend before you really do get into hypothermia and you've gone overboard hypothermia and you've gone overboard hypothermia and you've gone overboard you know those kinds of things for me you know those kinds of things for me you know those kinds of things for me i'm pretty sure hypothermia was 14 i'm pretty sure hypothermia was 14 i'm pretty sure hypothermia was 14 minutes at 34 degrees minutes at 34 degrees minutes at 34 degrees um um um i was in there too long and i had a plan i was in there too long and i had a plan i was in there too long and i had a plan i was going to do cold exposure and i i was going to do cold exposure and i i was going to do cold exposure and i was going to go to hot yoga and so i was was going to go to hot yoga and so i was was going to go to hot yoga and so i was going to get this contrast in therapy um going to get this contrast in therapy um going to get this contrast in therapy um but i got to talking and but i got to talking and but i got to talking and 14 minutes later when i came out of the 14 minutes later when i came out of the 14 minutes later when i came out of the forge forge forge i couldn't i had no motor control and i couldn't i had no motor control and i couldn't i had no motor control and i'd drive a stick i wasn't ready to i'd drive a stick i wasn't ready to i'd drive a stick i wasn't ready to drive so i had to do something yoga

33:00drive so i had to do something yoga drive so i had to do something yoga right away right away right away right and yoga was like 15 minute drive right and yoga was like 15 minute drive right and yoga was like 15 minute drive away so i had to rewarm i got to the hot away so i had to rewarm i got to the hot away so i had to rewarm i got to the hot yoga and i was a little late going into yoga and i was a little late going into yoga and i was a little late going into the class but the instructor was very the class but the instructor was very the class but the instructor was very gracious uh no no come in you know and i gracious uh no no come in you know and i gracious uh no no come in you know and i was all discombobulated and i couldn't was all discombobulated and i couldn't was all discombobulated and i couldn't get my half monkey twist moon po get my half monkey twist moon po get my half monkey twist moon po whatever the hell they were doing in whatever the hell they were doing in whatever the hell they were doing in yoga i was doing it wrong yoga i was doing it wrong yoga i was doing it wrong and her corrections um you know she was and her corrections um you know she was and her corrections um you know she was trying to explain it a little better trying to explain it a little better trying to explain it a little better because she'd see i was struggling because she'd see i was struggling because she'd see i was struggling finally she just came over she put her finally she just came over she put her finally she just came over she put her hand on my back and said no no hand on my back and said no no hand on my back and said no no move this way and you should feel it in move this way and you should feel it in move this way and you should feel it in here and it was wonderful and i had a here and it was wonderful and i had a here and it was wonderful and i had a great session and afterwards i went up great session and afterwards i went up great session and afterwards i went up and i said you know thanks for that uh and i said you know thanks for that uh and i said you know thanks for that uh correction it made a big difference she correction it made a big difference she correction it made a big difference she said said said no problem that's what we do no problem that's what we do no problem that's what we do but let me ask you a question uh was it but let me ask you a question uh was it but let me ask you a question uh was it hot enough for you in there i said well hot enough for you in there i said well hot enough for you in there i said well yeah you know i think you had 120 yeah you know i think you had 120 yeah you know i think you had 120 something degrees and sure that seemed something degrees and sure that seemed something degrees and sure that seemed playing out because now when i put my playing out because now when i put my playing out because now when i put my hand on your back you felt cold hand on your back you felt cold hand on your back you felt cold oh yeah that's so interesting i had to oh yeah that's so interesting i had to

34:00oh yeah that's so interesting i had to explain explain explain it's almost certainly i don't have a it's almost certainly i don't have a it's almost certainly i don't have a rectal thermometer but it's almost rectal thermometer but it's almost rectal thermometer but it's almost certain that my core temperature drops certain that my core temperature drops certain that my core temperature drops and that's not fatal one of our rules is and that's not fatal one of our rules is and that's not fatal one of our rules is there's no coercion you get in there's no coercion you get in there's no coercion you get in when you want you come out when you want when you want you come out when you want when you want you come out when you want and a nine second ice bath is better and a nine second ice bath is better and a nine second ice bath is better than no ice bath and that voluntary than no ice bath and that voluntary than no ice bath and that voluntary aspect i think is essential for building aspect i think is essential for building aspect i think is essential for building the psychological uh resilience the psychological uh resilience the psychological uh resilience people can experience hypothermia and people can experience hypothermia and people can experience hypothermia and recover the the rule that an emergency recover the the rule that an emergency recover the the rule that an emergency room physician taught me is for cold room physician taught me is for cold room physician taught me is for cold water drowning you do not pronounce them water drowning you do not pronounce them water drowning you do not pronounce them they might show up and they look dead they might show up and they look dead they might show up and they look dead and they've got no pulse and your brain and they've got no pulse and your brain and they've got no pulse and your brain waves are missing waves are missing waves are missing you do not pronounce death for 24 hours you do not pronounce death for 24 hours you do not pronounce death for 24 hours because in a cold water situation the because in a cold water situation the because in a cold water situation the body can go into body can go into body can go into i'm not using a medical term but i'm not using a medical term but i'm not using a medical term but essentially a hibernation and people essentially a hibernation and people essentially a hibernation and people have recovered i don't mean to have recovered i don't mean to have recovered i don't mean to exaggerate i mean there are dangers of exaggerate i mean there are dangers of exaggerate i mean there are dangers of hypothermia but we use the term hypothermia but we use the term hypothermia but we use the term deliberate cold exposure not accidental

35:00deliberate cold exposure not accidental deliberate cold exposure not accidental cold exposure right because accidental cold exposure right because accidental cold exposure right because accidental can be dangerous and deliberate is what can be dangerous and deliberate is what can be dangerous and deliberate is what we're going for so either you go to the we're going for so either you go to the we're going for so either you go to the wikipedia page on ice baths and i've wikipedia page on ice baths and i've wikipedia page on ice baths and i've tried to edit it like six times and they tried to edit it like six times and they tried to edit it like six times and they won't let me do it um it describes how won't let me do it um it describes how won't let me do it um it describes how dangerous ice baths are and so it sent dangerous ice baths are and so it sent dangerous ice baths are and so it sent me to the library me to the library me to the library there are no cases of death there are no there are no cases of death there are no there are no cases of death there are no cases of heart attack there are i'm not cases of heart attack there are i'm not cases of heart attack there are i'm not saying they don't exist but the saying they don't exist but the saying they don't exist but the the dangers of ice baths voluntary the dangers of ice baths voluntary the dangers of ice baths voluntary deliberate ice baths seem to me to be deliberate ice baths seem to me to be deliberate ice baths seem to me to be way exaggerated relative to the case way exaggerated relative to the case way exaggerated relative to the case studies and the data that are available studies and the data that are available studies and the data that are available in the library so it gives me confidence in the library so it gives me confidence in the library so it gives me confidence that i'm in the hormetic stress zone the that i'm in the hormetic stress zone the that i'm in the hormetic stress zone the stress that is good for your body where stress that is good for your body where stress that is good for your body where you come back stronger so the greeks you come back stronger so the greeks you come back stronger so the greeks called it eustress rather than distress called it eustress rather than distress called it eustress rather than distress i appreciate that and and as anything i appreciate that and and as anything i appreciate that and and as anything people have to you know take ownership people have to you know take ownership people have to you know take ownership of their own health and work with some

36:00of their own health and work with some of their own health and work with some type of a professional if they're you type of a professional if they're you type of a professional if they're you know have those kinds of concerns um but know have those kinds of concerns um but know have those kinds of concerns um but using it in a time and i appreciate what using it in a time and i appreciate what using it in a time and i appreciate what you're saying you're saying you're saying you get in when you want to get in you you get in when you want to get in you you get in when you want to get in you get out when you want to get out get out when you want to get out get out when you want to get out it's kind of listening to your body it's kind of listening to your body it's kind of listening to your body listening to your mind and it sounds listening to your mind and it sounds listening to your mind and it sounds like you know that is the way that like you know that is the way that like you know that is the way that anybody should do anything anybody should do anything anybody should do anything but it's hard to teach that because we but it's hard to teach that because we but it's hard to teach that because we all get a little bit nervous when we all get a little bit nervous when we all get a little bit nervous when we take responsibility for our own health take responsibility for our own health take responsibility for our own health like i'm going to mess it up you know like i'm going to mess it up you know like i'm going to mess it up you know kind of thing and and so i appreciate kind of thing and and so i appreciate kind of thing and and so i appreciate that and i'm sensitive to that so that and i'm sensitive to that so that and i'm sensitive to that so i mean there's a tremendous fear of i mean there's a tremendous fear of i mean there's a tremendous fear of criticism what i did with my prostate my criticism what i did with my prostate my criticism what i did with my prostate my kids are all grown and i was separated kids are all grown and i was separated kids are all grown and i was separated from my wife or since the divorce and i from my wife or since the divorce and i from my wife or since the divorce and i thought thought thought to whom am i responsible and i decided to whom am i responsible and i decided to whom am i responsible and i decided me that i was going to go on this me that i was going to go on this me that i was going to go on this biohacking journey for me biohacking journey for me biohacking journey for me um but i've talked to a lot of other men um but i've talked to a lot of other men um but i've talked to a lot of other men that said you know that said you know that said you know i didn't know how to explain it to my i didn't know how to explain it to my i didn't know how to explain it to my wife i didn't know how to explain to my wife i didn't know how to explain to my wife i didn't know how to explain to my kids i didn't know how to explain it to kids i didn't know how to explain it to kids i didn't know how to explain it to my family who loves me that i decided my family who loves me that i decided my family who loves me that i decided that i was going to spend six months or that i was going to spend six months or that i was going to spend six months or a year delaying conventional treatment

37:00a year delaying conventional treatment a year delaying conventional treatment to try this crazy experimental idea to try this crazy experimental idea to try this crazy experimental idea because i saw dr seger walking around because i saw dr seger walking around because i saw dr seger walking around barefoot and shirtless at some barefoot and shirtless at some barefoot and shirtless at some conference who said it worked for him conference who said it worked for him conference who said it worked for him it's not just fear of criticism but it's not just fear of criticism but it's not just fear of criticism but there's a sense of obligation that we there's a sense of obligation that we there's a sense of obligation that we feel to the people who love us that feel to the people who love us that feel to the people who love us that sometimes prevents us from sometimes prevents us from sometimes prevents us from following our own curiosity our own following our own curiosity our own following our own curiosity our own intuition about our bodies we don't want intuition about our bodies we don't want intuition about our bodies we don't want to have to explain ourselves and we to have to explain ourselves and we to have to explain ourselves and we especially don't want to feel guilty especially don't want to feel guilty especially don't want to feel guilty about letting down the people who are about letting down the people who are about letting down the people who are counting on us counting on us counting on us so i get it so i get it so i get it yeah i do too and boy that we're kind of yeah i do too and boy that we're kind of yeah i do too and boy that we're kind of running up against a time here but um i running up against a time here but um i running up against a time here but um i wanted to touch on a couple of things um wanted to touch on a couple of things um wanted to touch on a couple of things um there's several things like i said there's several things like i said there's several things like i said before we started recording that i'd before we started recording that i'd before we started recording that i'd love to go to but just the functionality love to go to but just the functionality love to go to but just the functionality of a of a forge uh essentially it's it's of a of a forge uh essentially it's it's of a of a forge uh essentially it's it's it's unique it's the only one like it so it's unique it's the only one like it so it's unique it's the only one like it so how do you you know like in a sauna or how do you you know like in a sauna or how do you you know like in a sauna or uh or a hot tub for example uh you're uh or a hot tub for example uh you're uh or a hot tub for example uh you're gonna need to manage the water quality gonna need to manage the water quality gonna need to manage the water quality uh i think you use ozone to manage the

38:00uh i think you use ozone to manage the uh i think you use ozone to manage the water quality how how do what's the water quality how how do what's the water quality how how do what's the functionality of a of a forge we um it's functionality of a of a forge we um it's functionality of a of a forge we um it's had its own built-in refrigeration we had its own built-in refrigeration we had its own built-in refrigeration we make it all from scratch we twist the make it all from scratch we twist the make it all from scratch we twist the copper we add a compressor the coils go copper we add a compressor the coils go copper we add a compressor the coils go underneath the forge the coils get cold underneath the forge the coils get cold underneath the forge the coils get cold they chill down to about negative 10 they chill down to about negative 10 they chill down to about negative 10 that's sometimes that's sometimes that's sometimes uh warmer but that's not the point below uh warmer but that's not the point below uh warmer but that's not the point below freezing so that you build up several freezing so that you build up several freezing so that you build up several inches of ice on the bottom then the inches of ice on the bottom then the inches of ice on the bottom then the compressor shuts off the ice releases up compressor shuts off the ice releases up compressor shuts off the ice releases up to the top and that's the effect that i to the top and that's the effect that i to the top and that's the effect that i really like then as far as the really like then as far as the really like then as far as the filtration filtration filtration we have both a pool filter this is the we have both a pool filter this is the we have both a pool filter this is the micro filtration and we add ozone the micro filtration and we add ozone the micro filtration and we add ozone the ozone is what deactivates bacteria and ozone is what deactivates bacteria and ozone is what deactivates bacteria and viruses the pool filter can remove dirt viruses the pool filter can remove dirt viruses the pool filter can remove dirt and some of the bacteria but the ozone and some of the bacteria but the ozone and some of the bacteria but the ozone is essential for keeping the forge is essential for keeping the forge is essential for keeping the forge disinfected and it creates beautiful disinfected and it creates beautiful disinfected and it creates beautiful crystal clear water you don't need a lot crystal clear water you don't need a lot crystal clear water you don't need a lot of ozonation i run mine about a half an of ozonation i run mine about a half an of ozonation i run mine about a half an hour a day because it's just me hour a day because it's just me hour a day because it's just me um but in the commercial facilities you um but in the commercial facilities you um but in the commercial facilities you know customers want confidence that the

39:00know customers want confidence that the know customers want confidence that the water's just infected and that it's water's just infected and that it's water's just infected and that it's clean and ozone is ideal clean and ozone is ideal clean and ozone is ideal the pools the water distribution system the pools the water distribution system the pools the water distribution system in your city we use chlorine some pools in your city we use chlorine some pools in your city we use chlorine some pools use bromine the problem is that when it use bromine the problem is that when it use bromine the problem is that when it comes in contact with comes in contact with comes in contact with organic carbon it produces something organic carbon it produces something organic carbon it produces something called trihalomethanes those are called trihalomethanes those are called trihalomethanes those are carcinogenic and the last thing i'm carcinogenic and the last thing i'm carcinogenic and the last thing i'm going to do is expose my customers to going to do is expose my customers to going to do is expose my customers to carcinogenic chemicals just to cover my carcinogenic chemicals just to cover my carcinogenic chemicals just to cover my butt on disinfection right ozone is butt on disinfection right ozone is butt on disinfection right ozone is ideal at cold temperatures it's not used ideal at cold temperatures it's not used ideal at cold temperatures it's not used in the water treatment distribution in the water treatment distribution in the water treatment distribution systems by environmental engineers like systems by environmental engineers like systems by environmental engineers like me because it decays so quickly you me because it decays so quickly you me because it decays so quickly you don't get a long lasting protection but don't get a long lasting protection but don't get a long lasting protection but we're making it continuously and the we're making it continuously and the we're making it continuously and the decay curve is sensitive to temperature decay curve is sensitive to temperature decay curve is sensitive to temperature the colder the water the longer lasting the colder the water the longer lasting the colder the water the longer lasting the ozone so for us the ozone so for us the ozone so for us the ozone is ideal yeah it really the ozone is ideal yeah it really the ozone is ideal yeah it really doesn't allow the microbes to be as doesn't allow the microbes to be as doesn't allow the microbes to be as aggressive in their growth the

40:00aggressive in their growth the aggressive in their growth the temperature and then you add the ozone temperature and then you add the ozone temperature and then you add the ozone if i'm on on the right track there if i'm on on the right track there if i'm on on the right track there so how often how often uh do you use so how often how often uh do you use so how often how often uh do you use uh the forge is it uh your day daily uh the forge is it uh your day daily uh the forge is it uh your day daily okay i got it right here at my apartment okay i got it right here at my apartment okay i got it right here at my apartment i keep it out on the patio and uh today i keep it out on the patio and uh today i keep it out on the patio and uh today was tough i was up early and it was dark was tough i was up early and it was dark was tough i was up early and it was dark and you know it's a little chilly and you know it's a little chilly and you know it's a little chilly i was looking at the forge and i was i was looking at the forge and i was i was looking at the forge and i was thinking thinking thinking i could skip a day you know there's no i could skip a day you know there's no i could skip a day you know there's no harm right right the first harm right right the first harm right right the first 30 seconds before i get in are the worst 30 seconds before i get in are the worst 30 seconds before i get in are the worst and then i get in and then i get in and then i get in and it's never as bad as you know it is and it's never as bad as you know it is and it's never as bad as you know it is in my imagination in my imagination in my imagination um but i want to set my forge to a um but i want to set my forge to a um but i want to set my forge to a temperature that frightens me it's not temperature that frightens me it's not temperature that frightens me it's not for the metabolic benefits it's for the for the metabolic benefits it's for the for the metabolic benefits it's for the psychological benefits because psychological benefits because psychological benefits because when i do something on purpose that is when i do something on purpose that is when i do something on purpose that is uncomfortable and frightening and i take uncomfortable and frightening and i take uncomfortable and frightening and i take control of my breathing and i relax my control of my breathing and i relax my control of my breathing and i relax my whole body i'd strengthen my whole body i'd strengthen my whole body i'd strengthen my parasympathetic nervous system my vagus parasympathetic nervous system my vagus parasympathetic nervous system my vagus nerves

41:00nerves nerves now i can confront the stress of my day now i can confront the stress of my day now i can confront the stress of my day as if it's all no big deal as if it's all no big deal as if it's all no big deal very good very good so daily is very good very good so daily is very good very good so daily is definitely okay and uh people that are definitely okay and uh people that are definitely okay and uh people that are using it are trying to do the daily using it are trying to do the daily using it are trying to do the daily routine as well that's what a forge is routine as well that's what a forge is routine as well that's what a forge is really for if um if you're doing it really for if um if you're doing it really for if um if you're doing it maybe on the weekends or maybe on the weekends or maybe on the weekends or you know to prepare yourself from a big you know to prepare yourself from a big you know to prepare yourself from a big event you can buy the ice baths or buy event you can buy the ice baths or buy event you can buy the ice baths or buy the bags of ice the bags of ice the bags of ice but but but to do it daily to do it daily to do it daily it's not feasible to to have ice or go it's not feasible to to have ice or go it's not feasible to to have ice or go to the lake during the winter or to the lake during the winter or to the lake during the winter or something like that something like that something like that i do two to four minutes so it's not i do two to four minutes so it's not i do two to four minutes so it's not this extended joe rogan 20 minute this extended joe rogan 20 minute this extended joe rogan 20 minute marathon session and when i'm by myself marathon session and when i'm by myself marathon session and when i'm by myself i'm not really trying to show off i'm not really trying to show off i'm not really trying to show off uh what scott carney called it was micro uh what scott carney called it was micro uh what scott carney called it was micro dosing the cold and i think it's a dosing the cold and i think it's a dosing the cold and i think it's a wonderful sort of turn of phrase because wonderful sort of turn of phrase because wonderful sort of turn of phrase because it's right there anytime you need it it's right there anytime you need it it's right there anytime you need it anytime you're beginning to stress out anytime you're beginning to stress out anytime you're beginning to stress out or you want to change your new mood i've or you want to change your new mood i've or you want to change your new mood i've never come out of the forge in a bad never come out of the forge in a bad never come out of the forge in a bad mood or having regrets about the ice mood or having regrets about the ice mood or having regrets about the ice bath that i just took

42:00bath that i just took bath that i just took and one more question on that you know i and one more question on that you know i and one more question on that you know i i know joe mercola has indicated that i know joe mercola has indicated that i know joe mercola has indicated that it's good to uh do a cold shower it's good to uh do a cold shower it's good to uh do a cold shower before bedtime to get better sleep have before bedtime to get better sleep have before bedtime to get better sleep have you had any experimentation with that you had any experimentation with that you had any experimentation with that where it sounds like you're doing it where it sounds like you're doing it where it sounds like you're doing it first of the morning kind of thing what first of the morning kind of thing what first of the morning kind of thing what about in the evening before bed we have about in the evening before bed we have about in the evening before bed we have um an article on uh the experiences that um an article on uh the experiences that um an article on uh the experiences that uh dr brian paul he's the chair of our uh dr brian paul he's the chair of our uh dr brian paul he's the chair of our medical advisory board and he was medical advisory board and he was medical advisory board and he was fooling around with his aura ring and fooling around with his aura ring and fooling around with his aura ring and cold exposure at night time and he found cold exposure at night time and he found cold exposure at night time and he found that his sleep quality in some respects that his sleep quality in some respects that his sleep quality in some respects was much better when you did an ice bath was much better when you did an ice bath was much better when you did an ice bath around nine o'clock his sleep duration around nine o'clock his sleep duration around nine o'clock his sleep duration was not as long and i think that's was not as long and i think that's was not as long and i think that's interesting um i've also had some good interesting um i've also had some good interesting um i've also had some good conversations with dr kirk parsley he uh conversations with dr kirk parsley he uh conversations with dr kirk parsley he uh he's the sleep doctor on instagram or he's the sleep doctor on instagram or he's the sleep doctor on instagram or you know social media you can find him you know social media you can find him you know social media you can find him on linkedin i think he puts his best on linkedin i think he puts his best on linkedin i think he puts his best stuff there and here's what i've learned stuff there and here's what i've learned stuff there and here's what i've learned when you when you when you do cold exposure just before do cold exposure just before do cold exposure just before bed it's going to be hard to get to

43:00bed it's going to be hard to get to bed it's going to be hard to get to sleep you have a lot of energy your sleep you have a lot of energy your sleep you have a lot of energy your girlfriend doesn't want to cuddle with girlfriend doesn't want to cuddle with girlfriend doesn't want to cuddle with you in the same way you in the same way you in the same way but when you do it a couple or three but when you do it a couple or three but when you do it a couple or three hours before hours before hours before bed you're preparing your body for sleep bed you're preparing your body for sleep bed you're preparing your body for sleep by reducing your temperature and sleep by reducing your temperature and sleep by reducing your temperature and sleep quality i mean there's a natural quality i mean there's a natural quality i mean there's a natural depression of your homeostatic depression of your homeostatic depression of your homeostatic temperature during sleep and sleep temperature during sleep and sleep temperature during sleep and sleep quality improves when you prepare quality improves when you prepare quality improves when you prepare yourself in that way so more of our yourself in that way so more of our yourself in that way so more of our customers have the whoop strap or the customers have the whoop strap or the customers have the whoop strap or the aura ring in the beginning to do their aura ring in the beginning to do their aura ring in the beginning to do their own biohacking experiments with this own biohacking experiments with this own biohacking experiments with this there are other products that are meant there are other products that are meant there are other products that are meant to keep your bed a little colder or to keep your bed a little colder or to keep your bed a little colder or suggest turning down the temperature in suggest turning down the temperature in suggest turning down the temperature in your bedroom and it seems to fit with your bedroom and it seems to fit with your bedroom and it seems to fit with the experience that ben greenfield and the experience that ben greenfield and the experience that ben greenfield and some other people have had some other people have had some other people have had however however however my experience is nine o'clock is too my experience is nine o'clock is too my experience is nine o'clock is too late uh i'll be up for another hour and late uh i'll be up for another hour and late uh i'll be up for another hour and a half if i a half if i a half if i do it then do it then do it then gotcha yeah that's good information and gotcha yeah that's good information and gotcha yeah that's good information and so uh yeah as we wrap up how how would

44:00so uh yeah as we wrap up how how would so uh yeah as we wrap up how how would one uh follow up and check out the forge one uh follow up and check out the forge one uh follow up and check out the forge where did they go to follow up with you where did they go to follow up with you where did they go to follow up with you uh morosco moroccoforge.com uh morosco moroccoforge.com uh morosco moroccoforge.com m-o-r-o-z-k-o-f-o-r-g-e dot com dot com uh you know everybody has a blog but i'm uh you know everybody has a blog but i'm uh you know everybody has a blog but i'm a scientist and i can't bring myself to a scientist and i can't bring myself to a scientist and i can't bring myself to write a blog post so click on the link write a blog post so click on the link write a blog post so click on the link that says journal no that's the way that says journal no that's the way that says journal no that's the way science moves forward and in there science moves forward and in there science moves forward and in there there's a bunch of good articles there's a bunch of good articles there's a bunch of good articles our best articles have a story uh kind our best articles have a story uh kind our best articles have a story uh kind of a central character who's experienced of a central character who's experienced of a central character who's experienced something and the science that helps something and the science that helps something and the science that helps explain the explain the explain the story so you can join our mailing list story so you can join our mailing list story so you can join our mailing list we never spam we never spam we never spam um we don't know how to do all that um we don't know how to do all that um we don't know how to do all that internet sales funnel checklist thing internet sales funnel checklist thing internet sales funnel checklist thing that you know everybody makes you a that you know everybody makes you a that you know everybody makes you a millionaire overnight and sometimes i millionaire overnight and sometimes i millionaire overnight and sometimes i wish we did but the fact is you'll get a wish we did but the fact is you'll get a wish we did but the fact is you'll get a notice when we write a new article or i notice when we write a new article or i notice when we write a new article or i come across something in the library and come across something in the library and come across something in the library and i want to share it with the community i want to share it with the community i want to share it with the community that's one way that's one way that's one way you can also go if your interests are a you can also go if your interests are a you can also go if your interests are a bit broader to seeger

45:00bit broader to seeger bit broader to seeger tp.substack.com so s-e-a-g-e tp.substack.com so s-e-a-g-e tp.substack.com so s-e-a-g-e dot sub-stack.com dot sub-stack.com dot sub-stack.com my published articles sometimes they're my published articles sometimes they're my published articles sometimes they're about business but i've been doing a lot about business but i've been doing a lot about business but i've been doing a lot about relationships about trauma and about relationships about trauma and about relationships about trauma and psychology as it's more about my psychology as it's more about my psychology as it's more about my personal journey the last five or six personal journey the last five or six personal journey the last five or six years so if your interests are broader years so if your interests are broader years so if your interests are broader than ice baths and cold exposure um it than ice baths and cold exposure um it than ice baths and cold exposure um it might be worth might be worth might be worth popping in there and seeing what's going popping in there and seeing what's going popping in there and seeing what's going on with me and whether any of that on with me and whether any of that on with me and whether any of that relates to you relates to you relates to you sounds very very good i i just want to sounds very very good i i just want to sounds very very good i i just want to encourage everybody as we close up here encourage everybody as we close up here encourage everybody as we close up here to to to take advantage of this information i'm take advantage of this information i'm take advantage of this information i'm so thankful that you're sharing it with so thankful that you're sharing it with so thankful that you're sharing it with us today you know i'm trying to think of us today you know i'm trying to think of us today you know i'm trying to think of some way to say it but really it you some way to say it but really it you some way to say it but really it you know i guess i'm feeling hey people need know i guess i'm feeling hey people need know i guess i'm feeling hey people need to embrace the cold uh try to to work to embrace the cold uh try to to work to embrace the cold uh try to to work even if it's baby steps i'm all into the even if it's baby steps i'm all into the even if it's baby steps i'm all into the tortoise mentality you know and uh and tortoise mentality you know and uh and tortoise mentality you know and uh and this is one of those things that i'm this is one of those things that i'm this is one of those things that i'm gonna i'm gonna put it out there i'm gonna i'm gonna put it out there i'm gonna i'm gonna put it out there i'm gonna try to do a little bit of that um gonna try to do a little bit of that um gonna try to do a little bit of that um i know uh living on the hood canal uh

46:00i know uh living on the hood canal uh i know uh living on the hood canal uh last year we jumped in in december and i last year we jumped in in december and i last year we jumped in in december and i thought for sure it was at least 35. it thought for sure it was at least 35. it thought for sure it was at least 35. it was 44 degrees was 44 degrees was 44 degrees but now it's cold uh but yeah to just to but now it's cold uh but yeah to just to but now it's cold uh but yeah to just to know that there's a good health benefit know that there's a good health benefit know that there's a good health benefit there encourages me there encourages me there encourages me to do more of it and i and i hope other to do more of it and i and i hope other to do more of it and i and i hope other people see that benefit there's good people see that benefit there's good people see that benefit there's good good things out there and in this good things out there and in this good things out there and in this culture of fear that we have if we take culture of fear that we have if we take culture of fear that we have if we take a little bit of our own health advocacy a little bit of our own health advocacy a little bit of our own health advocacy do some of these good things and and do some of these good things and and do some of these good things and and have have the the mindset that the have have the the mindset that the have have the the mindset that the body's pretty amazing and let's treat it body's pretty amazing and let's treat it body's pretty amazing and let's treat it a little bit better and help it a little bit better and help it a little bit better and help it be able to be stronger so thank you so be able to be stronger so thank you so be able to be stronger so thank you so much much much for being with us today tom i really for being with us today tom i really for being with us today tom i really really appreciate it all right really appreciate it all right really appreciate it all right see everybody [Music]

Health Benefits Of Cold Exposure Therapy W Morozko Forge Founder Dr Thomas Seage