Healing Performing and Optimizing through Sauna with Johannes Kettelhodt
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01:00Latvian and so many other traditional Latvian and so many other traditional saunas including the Russian banya and a saunas including the Russian banya and a saunas including the Russian banya and a little bit about my experiences opening little bit about my experiences opening little bit about my experiences opening the kimono literally if you will with the kimono literally if you will with the kimono literally if you will with European saunas and so we get into that European saunas and so we get into that European saunas and so we get into that we get into the benefits of sauna which we get into the benefits of sauna which we get into the benefits of sauna which include everything from how to mimic include everything from how to mimic include everything from how to mimic exercise using the sauna - things like exercise using the sauna - things like exercise using the sauna - things like heat shock proteins and of course the oh heat shock proteins and of course the oh heat shock proteins and of course the oh so popular niacin flush the show notes so popular niacin flush the show notes so popular niacin flush the show notes for this one are going to be at decoding for this one are going to be at decoding for this one are going to be at decoding superhuman calm / clear light that's CL superhuman calm / clear light that's CL superhuman calm / clear light that's CL EA R light Li ght enjoy my discussion EA R light Li ght enjoy my discussion EA R light Li ght enjoy my discussion with Johannes you may have guessed it with Johannes you may have guessed it with Johannes you may have guessed it but the sponsor for this podcast is of but the sponsor for this podcast is of but the sponsor for this podcast is of course clear light and I think there's a course clear light and I think there's a course clear light and I think there's a lot to be said about someone who lot to be said about someone who lot to be said about someone who recommends a device a technology a recommends a device a technology a recommends a device a technology a scientific article to their parents and scientific article to their parents and scientific article to their parents and if you go to my parents home then you
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04:00Johannes my friend I know this Johannes my friend I know this conversation has been a long time coming conversation has been a long time coming conversation has been a long time coming so I'm glad we're able to have it so I'm glad we're able to have it so I'm glad we're able to have it finally I think yeah it felt it felt we finally I think yeah it felt it felt we finally I think yeah it felt it felt we could have done it earlier but I think could have done it earlier but I think could have done it earlier but I think maybe wasn't happen it wasn't supposed maybe wasn't happen it wasn't supposed maybe wasn't happen it wasn't supposed to happen but I'm really stoked to being to happen but I'm really stoked to being to happen but I'm really stoked to being here on the podcast with you yeah here on the podcast with you yeah here on the podcast with you yeah everything happens for a reason and you everything happens for a reason and you everything happens for a reason and you know it's it's a little windy outside so know it's it's a little windy outside so know it's it's a little windy outside so I'm actually craving a sauna today and I'm actually craving a sauna today and I'm actually craving a sauna today and so maybe that's maybe that's just the so maybe that's maybe that's just the so maybe that's maybe that's just the signal all right great signal all right great signal all right great yep yeah awesome so for everybody yep yeah awesome so for everybody yep yeah awesome so for everybody listening out here as I stumble over my listening out here as I stumble over my listening out here as I stumble over my words we're going to be talking about words we're going to be talking about words we're going to be talking about saunas and specifically the product that saunas and specifically the product that saunas and specifically the product that you sell but we're gonna differentiate you sell but we're gonna differentiate you sell but we're gonna differentiate boast many different kinds and so if you boast many different kinds and so if you boast many different kinds and so if you don't mind you honest I want to lay the don't mind you honest I want to lay the don't mind you honest I want to lay the framework for people as to the different framework for people as to the different framework for people as to the different types of saunas available because we're types of saunas available because we're types of saunas available because we're hearing Europe that means that the Finns hearing Europe that means that the Finns hearing Europe that means that the Finns try to dominate the Soliman sauna market try to dominate the Soliman sauna market try to dominate the Soliman sauna market but there's also the vast portion of the but there's also the vast portion of the but there's also the vast portion of the audience I will get my verbal fluency
05:00audience I will get my verbal fluency audience I will get my verbal fluency back by the end subset the vast portion back by the end subset the vast portion back by the end subset the vast portion of the audience is from the US and so of the audience is from the US and so of the audience is from the US and so far in near-infrared are something that far in near-infrared are something that far in near-infrared are something that we should definitely differentiate from we should definitely differentiate from we should definitely differentiate from so do you mind just kind of laying out so do you mind just kind of laying out so do you mind just kind of laying out the landscape if you will as to what's the landscape if you will as to what's the landscape if you will as to what's going on in sauna land like what are the going on in sauna land like what are the going on in sauna land like what are the differentiate differentials between differentiate differentials between differentiate differentials between Finnish and then the infrared types sure Finnish and then the infrared types sure Finnish and then the infrared types sure I think most of you might actually know I think most of you might actually know I think most of you might actually know is that saunas itself has been around is that saunas itself has been around is that saunas itself has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years I for hundreds if not thousands of years I for hundreds if not thousands of years I think if you go back actually think if you go back actually think if you go back actually you know several decades you would have you know several decades you would have you know several decades you would have first encountered saunas as so called first encountered saunas as so called first encountered saunas as so called sweat lodges which is you know certainly sweat lodges which is you know certainly sweat lodges which is you know certainly in America the ancient Indians you know in America the ancient Indians you know in America the ancient Indians you know that we're sort of building a tent we that we're sort of building a tent we that we're sort of building a tent we were laying hot rocks in with I read in were laying hot rocks in with I read in were laying hot rocks in with I read in passage right yeah yeah it's a you know passage right yeah yeah it's a you know passage right yeah yeah it's a you know I think it's just tremendously important I think it's just tremendously important I think it's just tremendously important and I think there's a tremendous history and I think there's a tremendous history and I think there's a tremendous history so I'm always that's sort of my passion so I'm always that's sort of my passion so I'm always that's sort of my passion is to really celebrate that because you
06:00is to really celebrate that because you is to really celebrate that because you know it's not like a modern in men know it's not like a modern in men know it's not like a modern in men say you know that's a a Tesla that say you know that's a a Tesla that say you know that's a a Tesla that brought in a lot of innovation but it's brought in a lot of innovation but it's brought in a lot of innovation but it's actually a more ancient tradition and I actually a more ancient tradition and I actually a more ancient tradition and I think that to me is that you know think that to me is that you know think that to me is that you know certainly the first encounter of a sauna certainly the first encounter of a sauna certainly the first encounter of a sauna and he had the Russians with your Bunya and he had the Russians with your Bunya and he had the Russians with your Bunya right so you've seen all these different right so you've seen all these different right so you've seen all these different cultures you actually see some sort of cultures you actually see some sort of cultures you actually see some sort of soreness and certainly the Finns you soreness and certainly the Finns you soreness and certainly the Finns you know I think what I hear I think they know I think what I hear I think they know I think what I hear I think they have like two million saunas for the have like two million saunas for the have like two million saunas for the entire population of Finland which I entire population of Finland which I entire population of Finland which I believe is less than 10 million believe is less than 10 million believe is less than 10 million iein actually have done I should have iein actually have done I should have iein actually have done I should have checked the population here but it's checked the population here but it's checked the population here but it's fine I got it wrong live on my podcast fine I got it wrong live on my podcast fine I got it wrong live on my podcast before so I thought it was like I before so I thought it was like I before so I thought it was like I thought I was like one sauna for every thought I was like one sauna for every thought I was like one sauna for every two Finn's but I was wrong okay yeah two Finn's but I was wrong okay yeah two Finn's but I was wrong okay yeah it's not quite that yeah but it's a it's it's not quite that yeah but it's a it's it's not quite that yeah but it's a it's a substantial number and I think a substantial number and I think a substantial number and I think certainly if you get too thin that unit certainly if you get too thin that unit certainly if you get too thin that unit you'll have shared solace in every you'll have shared solace in every you'll have shared solace in every apartment and it just strikes me that apartment and it just strikes me that apartment and it just strikes me that you know this sauna has such a cultural you know this sauna has such a cultural you know this sauna has such a cultural value when it comes to that so I think value when it comes to that so I think value when it comes to that so I think if you if you sort of want to start on a if you if you sort of want to start on a if you if you sort of want to start on a really high level nowadays you would
07:00really high level nowadays you would really high level nowadays you would sort of have to finish that dry Rock sort of have to finish that dry Rock sort of have to finish that dry Rock saunas the hot saunas on one end and the saunas the hot saunas on one end and the saunas the hot saunas on one end and the more sort of gentle sauna such as more sort of gentle sauna such as more sort of gentle sauna such as infrared saunas which we're going to infrared saunas which we're going to infrared saunas which we're going to talk about on the other hand and as I talk about on the other hand and as I talk about on the other hand and as I mentioned before is it dry or hot rock mentioned before is it dry or hot rock mentioned before is it dry or hot rock saunas is basically it's a room it's you saunas is basically it's a room it's you saunas is basically it's a room it's you know often you've sort of wood panels on know often you've sort of wood panels on know often you've sort of wood panels on the inside it's nicely insulated you the inside it's nicely insulated you the inside it's nicely insulated you have a couple of benches to sit or lie have a couple of benches to sit or lie have a couple of benches to sit or lie down and you have a central oven pretty down and you have a central oven pretty down and you have a central oven pretty much often in the century and this you much often in the century and this you much often in the century and this you know basically creates hot air you can know basically creates hot air you can know basically creates hot air you can sort of pour water on here and you'll sort of pour water on here and you'll sort of pour water on here and you'll have moisture and steam etcetera but have moisture and steam etcetera but have moisture and steam etcetera but it'll also increase the temperatures and it'll also increase the temperatures and it'll also increase the temperatures and it is a temperature we're sort of it is a temperature we're sort of it is a temperature we're sort of talking between sixty to a hundred ten talking between sixty to a hundred ten talking between sixty to a hundred ten so these I'll leave you to probably so these I'll leave you to probably so these I'll leave you to probably calculate that to Fahrenheit but it's it calculate that to Fahrenheit but it's it calculate that to Fahrenheit but it's it gets pretty hard for most gets pretty hard for most gets pretty hard for most too hard actually for some people and too hard actually for some people and too hard actually for some people and you know you'll do that sort of two to you know you'll do that sort of two to you know you'll do that sort of two to three times for 10 to 15 minutes and three times for 10 to 15 minutes and three times for 10 to 15 minutes and that's how I grew up in northern Germany that's how I grew up in northern Germany that's how I grew up in northern Germany so you know georgiou mini certainly has so you know georgiou mini certainly has so you know georgiou mini certainly has a very strong so on culture it was a very strong so on culture it was a very strong so on culture it was public so on earth you know you used to public so on earth you know you used to public so on earth you know you used to go there two to three times a week with
08:00go there two to three times a week with go there two to three times a week with my dad sometimes with my mom and the my dad sometimes with my mom and the my dad sometimes with my mom and the entire family would just go on a weekend entire family would just go on a weekend entire family would just go on a weekend and then on the other hand you have an and then on the other hand you have an and then on the other hand you have an infrared sauna which as the term says infrared sauna which as the term says infrared sauna which as the term says it's still a sauna but he does actually it's still a sauna but he does actually it's still a sauna but he does actually not produced through this hot oven not produced through this hot oven not produced through this hot oven element but element but element but has infrared heating panels these are has infrared heating panels these are has infrared heating panels these are you know panels built into the wall of you know panels built into the wall of you know panels built into the wall of the sauna they can be made out of the sauna they can be made out of the sauna they can be made out of different materials some a carbon some a different materials some a carbon some a different materials some a carbon some a ceramics and my magnesium oxide really ceramics and my magnesium oxide really ceramics and my magnesium oxide really depends you know every manufacturer I depends you know every manufacturer I depends you know every manufacturer I guess has its own claims of you know why guess has its own claims of you know why guess has its own claims of you know why this material is superior but basically this material is superior but basically this material is superior but basically you're sitting inside you know ideally you're sitting inside you know ideally you're sitting inside you know ideally have infrared heat is all around you 360 have infrared heat is all around you 360 have infrared heat is all around you 360 degrees heat and then instead of degrees heat and then instead of degrees heat and then instead of producing actually hot air infrared as a producing actually hot air infrared as a producing actually hot air infrared as a wavelength it's again as part of the wavelength it's again as part of the wavelength it's again as part of the invisible light spectrum that's actually invisible light spectrum that's actually invisible light spectrum that's actually more like a heat wave so imagine you're more like a heat wave so imagine you're more like a heat wave so imagine you're sort of sitting in front of a bonfire sort of sitting in front of a bonfire sort of sitting in front of a bonfire and you feel as really nice warmth from and you feel as really nice warmth from and you feel as really nice warmth from being emitted off the fire that's sort being emitted off the fire that's sort being emitted off the fire that's sort of infrared in some way and that's sort of infrared in some way and that's sort of infrared in some way and that's sort of the fact that you're actually using of the fact that you're actually using of the fact that you're actually using an inner thread so on are just pretty an inner thread so on are just pretty an inner thread so on are just pretty much all all around to you so instead of
09:00much all all around to you so instead of much all all around to you so instead of having hot air you're sitting in there having hot air you're sitting in there having hot air you're sitting in there the infrared heat gets absorbed by your the infrared heat gets absorbed by your the infrared heat gets absorbed by your body and takes a little bit longer to body and takes a little bit longer to body and takes a little bit longer to actually use a sauna to heat up you know actually use a sauna to heat up you know actually use a sauna to heat up you know often 20 to 45 minutes and you pretty often 20 to 45 minutes and you pretty often 20 to 45 minutes and you pretty much created the the the heat from the much created the the the heat from the much created the the the heat from the inside out so you know heat is being inside out so you know heat is being inside out so you know heat is being absorbed by your body you sort of absorbed by your body you sort of absorbed by your body you sort of generally increase in temperature your generally increase in temperature your generally increase in temperature your you know heart rate goes up etc and then you know heart rate goes up etc and then you know heart rate goes up etc and then over time you create an artificial fever over time you create an artificial fever over time you create an artificial fever what's a you know cordis induced what's a you know cordis induced what's a you know cordis induced hypothermia and over time your sweat hypothermia and over time your sweat hypothermia and over time your sweat glances open up and you start sweating glances open up and you start sweating glances open up and you start sweating because your body has to cool itself because your body has to cool itself because your body has to cool itself down so that's you know it's a down so that's you know it's a down so that's you know it's a fundamental different I guess especially fundamental different I guess especially fundamental different I guess especially comes in terms of how the heat is comes in terms of how the heat is comes in terms of how the heat is produced and what makes you sweat and produced and what makes you sweat and produced and what makes you sweat and that's probably the like really big that's probably the like really big that's probably the like really big picture distinguishing between those two picture distinguishing between those two picture distinguishing between those two solar types so I want to drill down on a solar types so I want to drill down on a solar types so I want to drill down on a couple of things because we probably couple of things because we probably couple of things because we probably have a few mutual friends both on both have a few mutual friends both on both have a few mutual friends both on both sides of the spectrum right and there's
10:00sides of the spectrum right and there's sides of the spectrum right and there's somewhat of a claim out there that one somewhat of a claim out there that one somewhat of a claim out there that one is better than the other is is it true is better than the other is is it true is better than the other is is it true that fin finish saunas are better than that fin finish saunas are better than that fin finish saunas are better than infrared or vice-versa how do we infrared or vice-versa how do we infrared or vice-versa how do we delineate between a really good question delineate between a really good question delineate between a really good question and I don't really think it's a simple and I don't really think it's a simple and I don't really think it's a simple yes-or-no answer I think you know for yes-or-no answer I think you know for yes-or-no answer I think you know for someone who grew up with traditional someone who grew up with traditional someone who grew up with traditional Finnish soreness is pretty hard to Finnish soreness is pretty hard to Finnish soreness is pretty hard to convince them of an infrared sauna yeah convince them of an infrared sauna yeah convince them of an infrared sauna yeah there's a Liza the emotional attachment there's a Liza the emotional attachment there's a Liza the emotional attachment no cultural attachment no cultural attachment no cultural attachment you know the feeling of you know you you know the feeling of you know you you know the feeling of you know you being in the sauna as a child and being in the sauna as a child and being in the sauna as a child and remembering that yeah I think unless remembering that yeah I think unless remembering that yeah I think unless someone actually really looked into someone actually really looked into someone actually really looked into research on either of those two types research on either of those two types research on either of those two types they will probably swing more towards they will probably swing more towards they will probably swing more towards one or the other and I you know my one or the other and I you know my one or the other and I you know my personal opinion is that I'm I'm a fan personal opinion is that I'm I'm a fan personal opinion is that I'm I'm a fan of infrared sauna I mean I'm obviously of infrared sauna I mean I'm obviously of infrared sauna I mean I'm obviously heavily biased we'll talk about that a heavily biased we'll talk about that a heavily biased we'll talk about that a bit later but I still enjoy my bit later but I still enjoy my bit later but I still enjoy my traditional Finnish sauna when I'm you traditional Finnish sauna when I'm you traditional Finnish sauna when I'm you know when I go to a public sauna space I know when I go to a public sauna space I know when I go to a public sauna space I think it both has their place both have think it both has their place both have think it both has their place both have certain advantages disadvantages you
11:00certain advantages disadvantages you certain advantages disadvantages you know especially when it comes to home know especially when it comes to home know especially when it comes to home use commercial use electricity use commercial use electricity use commercial use electricity consumption EMF radiation which were all consumption EMF radiation which were all consumption EMF radiation which were all going to talk about but I think what is going to talk about but I think what is going to talk about but I think what is really important is to say that both really important is to say that both really important is to say that both topics are quite thoroughly being topics are quite thoroughly being topics are quite thoroughly being researched at the moment and I ask you researched at the moment and I ask you researched at the moment and I ask you now the majority of research has now the majority of research has now the majority of research has actually gone into traditional sauna so actually gone into traditional sauna so actually gone into traditional sauna so we've had this massive sauna I guess we've had this massive sauna I guess we've had this massive sauna I guess that came out last year was a long-term that came out last year was a long-term that came out last year was a long-term study it was over 20 years I'm looking study it was over 20 years I'm looking study it was over 20 years I'm looking at men and you know one of the key at men and you know one of the key at men and you know one of the key conclusions was if someone goes into a conclusions was if someone goes into a conclusions was if someone goes into a traditional sauna four to seven times a traditional sauna four to seven times a traditional sauna four to seven times a week they are I think the risk of all week they are I think the risk of all week they are I think the risk of all modalities dropped by 20 to 30% right modalities dropped by 20 to 30% right modalities dropped by 20 to 30% right and that's that's like a massive gain and that's that's like a massive gain and that's that's like a massive gain and chamber for longevity but I think and chamber for longevity but I think and chamber for longevity but I think the question and and there's probably no the question and and there's probably no the question and and there's probably no scientific evidence on this I mean scientific evidence on this I mean scientific evidence on this I mean especially I haven't seen that is you especially I haven't seen that is you especially I haven't seen that is you know whether you'll achieve the same know whether you'll achieve the same know whether you'll achieve the same effect with some infrared sauna and for effect with some infrared sauna and for effect with some infrared sauna and for it saunas are fairly new you know most it saunas are fairly new you know most it saunas are fairly new you know most manufacturers have maybe has maybe been manufacturers have maybe has maybe been manufacturers have maybe has maybe been around 20 to 25 years it's why you don't
12:00around 20 to 25 years it's why you don't around 20 to 25 years it's why you don't really have these long-term studies that really have these long-term studies that really have these long-term studies that you have with traditional as soon as I'm you have with traditional as soon as I'm you have with traditional as soon as I'm I'm sure they will come out and I'm sure I'm sure they will come out and I'm sure I'm sure they will come out and I'm sure we'll see slots of synergies between we'll see slots of synergies between we'll see slots of synergies between those two different types of saunas and those two different types of saunas and those two different types of saunas and the way I contribute he didn't you know the way I contribute he didn't you know the way I contribute he didn't you know overall were ibly were being into him overall were ibly were being into him overall were ibly were being into him some longevity but I think you know both some longevity but I think you know both some longevity but I think you know both have its place have its place have its place traditional saunas probably have a lot traditional saunas probably have a lot traditional saunas probably have a lot more scientific background where is more more scientific background where is more more scientific background where is more modern research when it comes to modern research when it comes to modern research when it comes to detoxification detoxification detoxification you know human HGH human growth hormone you know human HGH human growth hormone you know human HGH human growth hormone stuff that's probably all more linked to stuff that's probably all more linked to stuff that's probably all more linked to infrared so I would say so to me is not infrared so I would say so to me is not infrared so I would say so to me is not a yes or no it's both if the place and a yes or no it's both if the place and a yes or no it's both if the place and we'll have some place you had you just we'll have some place you had you just we'll have some place you had you just said a three-letter word that's gonna said a three-letter word that's gonna said a three-letter word that's gonna like like like perk some ears up to all the men that perk some ears up to all the men that perk some ears up to all the men that follow people like Dwayne Johnson are follow people like Dwayne Johnson are follow people like Dwayne Johnson are like how does he do this stuff with like how does he do this stuff with like how does he do this stuff with human growth hormone but right before we human growth hormone but right before we human growth hormone but right before we get into that let's set the scene for get into that let's set the scene for get into that let's set the scene for what a traditional sauna experience what a traditional sauna experience what a traditional sauna experience looks at in Europe because most this looks at in Europe because most this looks at in Europe because most this listener base is in the United States
13:00listener base is in the United States listener base is in the United States we're talking the full-on nude we're talking the full-on nude we're talking the full-on nude experience right like I'm going towel experience right like I'm going towel experience right like I'm going towel off showing my my twig it varies for off showing my my twig it varies for off showing my my twig it varies for lack of a better word though right yeah lack of a better word though right yeah lack of a better word though right yeah yeah so do ya did you wanna have like a yeah so do ya did you wanna have like a yeah so do ya did you wanna have like a quick adrenaline normal quick adrenaline normal quick adrenaline normal yeah we can go through it just sort of yeah we can go through it just sort of yeah we can go through it just sort of like what what the experience is like like what what the experience is like like what what the experience is like why you know if there was an American why you know if there was an American why you know if there was an American listening in the saying like hey I listening in the saying like hey I listening in the saying like hey I should try this but I'm a little scared should try this but I'm a little scared should try this but I'm a little scared why you shouldn't be yeah sure look I why you shouldn't be yeah sure look I why you shouldn't be yeah sure look I think the beautiful thing about this on think the beautiful thing about this on think the beautiful thing about this on a culture and the sauna experience is a culture and the sauna experience is a culture and the sauna experience is that usually if you go to your public that usually if you go to your public that usually if you go to your public place at least in Europe you'll have a place at least in Europe you'll have a place at least in Europe you'll have a selection or a range of different sauna selection or a range of different sauna selection or a range of different sauna said you can try so quite often you'll said you can try so quite often you'll said you can try so quite often you'll have like a soft entry so no sort of have like a soft entry so no sort of have like a soft entry so no sort of which is between six is 60 to 70 cells which is between six is 60 to 70 cells which is between six is 60 to 70 cells is which is quite moderate so you know is which is quite moderate so you know is which is quite moderate so you know you don't have that stepping into this you don't have that stepping into this you don't have that stepping into this on our finger was dizzy because the the on our finger was dizzy because the the on our finger was dizzy because the the air is so hot so I'd probably start with air is so hot so I'd probably start with air is so hot so I'd probably start with that and just seeing how you can that and just seeing how you can that and just seeing how you can tolerate the heat I think you know some tolerate the heat I think you know some tolerate the heat I think you know some people always can't stand heat a lot people always can't stand heat a lot people always can't stand heat a lot easier you know others I guess really
14:00easier you know others I guess really easier you know others I guess really struggled breathing and hot air and they struggled breathing and hot air and they struggled breathing and hot air and they feel a little dizzy when they you know feel a little dizzy when they you know feel a little dizzy when they you know get to that experience and then you know get to that experience and then you know get to that experience and then you know if you sort of can stand heat quite if you sort of can stand heat quite if you sort of can stand heat quite nicely probably these 90 to 100 Celsius nicely probably these 90 to 100 Celsius nicely probably these 90 to 100 Celsius which is quite extreme and she's which is quite extreme and she's which is quite extreme and she's absolutely not used to 100 Celsius is absolutely not used to 100 Celsius is absolutely not used to 100 Celsius is boiling water right yeah it doesn't boiling water right yeah it doesn't boiling water right yeah it doesn't quite feel like it doesn't quite feel quite feel like it doesn't quite feel quite feel like it doesn't quite feel like it I mean it still feels like like it I mean it still feels like like it I mean it still feels like really hot air but obviously by you really hot air but obviously by you really hot air but obviously by you staying in there for you know five to 15 staying in there for you know five to 15 staying in there for you know five to 15 minutes you your body actually gets used minutes you your body actually gets used minutes you your body actually gets used to that and run a patrick refers so this to that and run a patrick refers so this to that and run a patrick refers so this has I can heat stress or hypothermic has I can heat stress or hypothermic has I can heat stress or hypothermic conditioning which you know is really conditioning which you know is really conditioning which you know is really the exercise of exposing yourself to the exercise of exposing yourself to the exercise of exposing yourself to heat so in some way we obviously heat so in some way we obviously heat so in some way we obviously stimulating the system which you know stimulating the system which you know stimulating the system which you know it's challenging at times because your it's challenging at times because your it's challenging at times because your heart rate goes up and you know heart rate goes up and you know heart rate goes up and you know everything sort of happens a lot faster everything sort of happens a lot faster everything sort of happens a lot faster in the body but you're also able to in the body but you're also able to in the body but you're also able to relax because it's a really nice and relax because it's a really nice and relax because it's a really nice and quiet environment you know muscles quiet environment you know muscles quiet environment you know muscles relaxed relaxed relaxed oxygen flow is being increased you oxygen flow is being increased you oxygen flow is being increased you actually you know what happens on a
15:00actually you know what happens on a actually you know what happens on a metabolic level it's pretty amazing and metabolic level it's pretty amazing and metabolic level it's pretty amazing and it's pretty incredible what happens but it's pretty incredible what happens but it's pretty incredible what happens but I think what you have what what happens I think what you have what what happens I think what you have what what happens to you as you come out of that final to you as you come out of that final to you as you come out of that final flight mode you know like there's no hat flight mode you know like there's no hat flight mode you know like there's no hat there's no mobile firm there no there's no mobile firm there no there's no mobile firm there no notifications there's no family trauma notifications there's no family trauma notifications there's no family trauma or stress but it's actually like a or stress but it's actually like a or stress but it's actually like a sanctuary space where you just you know sanctuary space where you just you know sanctuary space where you just you know just go in forget about everything else just go in forget about everything else just go in forget about everything else and you're being challenged because of and you're being challenged because of and you're being challenged because of this heat environment so therefore you this heat environment so therefore you this heat environment so therefore you know if you get to if you have the know if you get to if you have the know if you get to if you have the chance to go to like a public sauna chance to go to like a public sauna chance to go to like a public sauna where there's a sort of a spa or in your where there's a sort of a spa or in your where there's a sort of a spa or in your gym you know do that and you know don't gym you know do that and you know don't gym you know do that and you know don't be afraid of the heat but much rather be afraid of the heat but much rather be afraid of the heat but much rather you know go in there and if you can't you know go in there and if you can't you know go in there and if you can't stand it anymore grout you know don't stand it anymore grout you know don't stand it anymore grout you know don't force yourself to be 15 or 20 minutes in force yourself to be 15 or 20 minutes in force yourself to be 15 or 20 minutes in the beginning you know even five minutes the beginning you know even five minutes the beginning you know even five minutes is fine for now and the next time you go is fine for now and the next time you go is fine for now and the next time you go and maybe try seven minutes so you know and maybe try seven minutes so you know and maybe try seven minutes so you know it's it's similar to exercise you have it's it's similar to exercise you have it's it's similar to exercise you have to train your body to get used to that to train your body to get used to that to train your body to get used to that heat or similar to ice ice bad thing you heat or similar to ice ice bad thing you heat or similar to ice ice bad thing you know no one has just done a cold plunge know no one has just done a cold plunge know no one has just done a cold plunge for five minutes without practicing it for five minutes without practicing it for five minutes without practicing it beforehand I reckon so you know of beforehand I reckon so you know of beforehand I reckon so you know of course give yourself a break and you
16:00course give yourself a break and you course give yourself a break and you know enjoy actually being challenged know enjoy actually being challenged know enjoy actually being challenged while relaxing on a sort of mental level while relaxing on a sort of mental level while relaxing on a sort of mental level yeah and for those out there who want to yeah and for those out there who want to yeah and for those out there who want to try and bring their cell phone in as a try and bring their cell phone in as a try and bring their cell phone in as a person who's done that before you you person who's done that before you you person who's done that before you you will fry yourself from pretty quickly or will fry yourself from pretty quickly or will fry yourself from pretty quickly or you'll at least get that heat warning so you'll at least get that heat warning so you'll at least get that heat warning so just just leave it out and ajosh just just leave it out and ajosh just just leave it out and ajosh yourself for a little bit it's okay yeah yourself for a little bit it's okay yeah yourself for a little bit it's okay yeah you Honus I want to go into the infrared you Honus I want to go into the infrared you Honus I want to go into the infrared spectrum now because near and far are we spectrum now because near and far are we spectrum now because near and far are we what we've come to know is sort of the what we've come to know is sort of the what we've come to know is sort of the two options available right and you two options available right and you two options available right and you might just kind of destroy your frame might just kind of destroy your frame might just kind of destroy your frame for us what are your efforts of each oh for us what are your efforts of each oh for us what are your efforts of each oh yeah probably I'm even going to step yeah probably I'm even going to step yeah probably I'm even going to step back and actually say sort of what we back and actually say sort of what we back and actually say sort of what we have so we have near middle and fan Fred have so we have near middle and fan Fred have so we have near middle and fan Fred so and this is basically the spectrum so and this is basically the spectrum so and this is basically the spectrum off of infrared you know it's the same off of infrared you know it's the same off of infrared you know it's the same when you have ultraviolet years which when you have ultraviolet years which when you have ultraviolet years which I've added the etc etc and that's the I've added the etc etc and that's the I've added the etc etc and that's the same with infrared and every type of same with infrared and every type of same with infrared and every type of infrared although it is infrared and
17:00infrared although it is infrared and infrared although it is infrared and although it's sort of a heat wave it although it's sort of a heat wave it although it's sort of a heat wave it works works works different when it hits the body or when different when it hits the body or when different when it hits the body or when it hits an object so the most gentle it hits an object so the most gentle it hits an object so the most gentle infrared he then the you know the type infrared he then the you know the type infrared he then the you know the type of infrared that's also of infrared that's also of infrared that's also been around the longest is called fine been around the longest is called fine been around the longest is called fine Fred it's a shorter wavelength no it's a Fred it's a shorter wavelength no it's a Fred it's a shorter wavelength no it's a loss or excuse me it's a longer loss or excuse me it's a longer loss or excuse me it's a longer wavelength that is a very gentle on the wavelength that is a very gentle on the wavelength that is a very gentle on the body so um you know when we'll be sort body so um you know when we'll be sort body so um you know when we'll be sort of speak about infrared we always you of speak about infrared we always you of speak about infrared we always you know we always think about okay how know we always think about okay how know we always think about okay how deeply does it penetrate the body how deeply does it penetrate the body how deeply does it penetrate the body how deeply is the heat being absorbed is it deeply is the heat being absorbed is it deeply is the heat being absorbed is it you know just the upper skin layers in you know just the upper skin layers in you know just the upper skin layers in the sort of muscle or you know even the sort of muscle or you know even the sort of muscle or you know even joins sort of levels or is it sort of joins sort of levels or is it sort of joins sort of levels or is it sort of more on the surface and fine fred is more on the surface and fine fred is more on the surface and fine fred is very gentle you know doesn't go through very gentle you know doesn't go through very gentle you know doesn't go through the skin it basically works by you know the skin it basically works by you know the skin it basically works by you know I guess in somewhere it's a thermal I guess in somewhere it's a thermal I guess in somewhere it's a thermal energy that hits the skin it hits the energy that hits the skin it hits the energy that hits the skin it hits the water mode equals inside your skin and water mode equals inside your skin and water mode equals inside your skin and they start vibrating so the thermal they start vibrating so the thermal they start vibrating so the thermal energy being and used everything starts energy being and used everything starts energy being and used everything starts vibrating and over time you obviously vibrating and over time you obviously vibrating and over time you obviously gradually heat up because the water in
18:00gradually heat up because the water in gradually heat up because the water in your body heats up and it's you know your body heats up and it's you know your body heats up and it's you know it's there's a thing that's called a it's there's a thing that's called a it's there's a thing that's called a resonant frequency now I'm not a resonant frequency now I'm not a resonant frequency now I'm not a physicist I haven't done a PhD I'm physicist I haven't done a PhD I'm physicist I haven't done a PhD I'm engineer but and this you know this engineer but and this you know this engineer but and this you know this aspect of resonance frequency is quite aspect of resonance frequency is quite aspect of resonance frequency is quite quite logical and if you don't mind I'd quite logical and if you don't mind I'd quite logical and if you don't mind I'd quickly explain that so he's diamond quickly explain that so he's diamond quickly explain that so he's diamond some of you might have actually known some of you might have actually known some of you might have actually known that or you might have actually felt that or you might have actually felt that or you might have actually felt that as well that if you have saved ten that as well that if you have saved ten that as well that if you have saved ten people in the room and have a window people in the room and have a window people in the room and have a window open people generate a lot of heat I open people generate a lot of heat I open people generate a lot of heat I think you know and when I was at uni we think you know and when I was at uni we think you know and when I was at uni we learned that I think a human a human learned that I think a human a human learned that I think a human a human individual has like a heat output of individual has like a heat output of individual has like a heat output of sixty watts and the way he is being sixty watts and the way he is being sixty watts and the way he is being emitted from that person is also through emitted from that person is also through emitted from that person is also through infrared it's actually fine Fred and infrared it's actually fine Fred and infrared it's actually fine Fred and research has shown that what we call the research has shown that what we call the research has shown that what we call the human wavelength so the bio wavelength human wavelength so the bio wavelength human wavelength so the bio wavelength is a frequency of nine point four is a frequency of nine point four is a frequency of nine point four microns this is a physical unit but it's microns this is a physical unit but it's microns this is a physical unit but it's part of the far infrared spectrum and part of the far infrared spectrum and part of the far infrared spectrum and what we've done as manufacturers we what we've done as manufacturers we what we've done as manufacturers we thought okay you know we know that
19:00thought okay you know we know that thought okay you know we know that resonance frequency exists let's produce resonance frequency exists let's produce resonance frequency exists let's produce a heat here that actually creates or a heat here that actually creates or a heat here that actually creates or that mimics the same output so that you that mimics the same output so that you that mimics the same output so that you created a resonant frequency so what it created a resonant frequency so what it created a resonant frequency so what it means is if you have heat coming in on means is if you have heat coming in on means is if you have heat coming in on one hand and you have so yes he he'd one hand and you have so yes he he'd one hand and you have so yes he he'd frequency on one side and you have frequency on one side and you have frequency on one side and you have another heat frequency on the other side another heat frequency on the other side another heat frequency on the other side that has the same frequency they overlay that has the same frequency they overlay that has the same frequency they overlay and enhance each other's so there's you and enhance each other's so there's you and enhance each other's so there's you know what we use in fine fred and Wi-Fi know what we use in fine fred and Wi-Fi know what we use in fine fred and Wi-Fi and fritz on us although it's a rather and fritz on us although it's a rather and fritz on us although it's a rather gentle heat gentle heat gentle heat still make you sweat because it's you still make you sweat because it's you still make you sweat because it's you know that resident frequency effect know that resident frequency effect know that resident frequency effect mm-hmm moving on middle infrared mm-hmm moving on middle infrared mm-hmm moving on middle infrared slightly different spectrum a little bit slightly different spectrum a little bit slightly different spectrum a little bit more intense and it doesn't quite more intense and it doesn't quite more intense and it doesn't quite penetrate you joints or muscles but it penetrate you joints or muscles but it penetrate you joints or muscles but it sort of goes through the upper skin sort of goes through the upper skin sort of goes through the upper skin layers and therefore obviously increases layers and therefore obviously increases layers and therefore obviously increases your core temperature and then you have your core temperature and then you have your core temperature and then you have Nia and Fred which is the most intense Nia and Fred which is the most intense Nia and Fred which is the most intense form of infrared it's a very short but form of infrared it's a very short but form of infrared it's a very short but high-energy at wavelengths that sort of high-energy at wavelengths that sort of high-energy at wavelengths that sort of goes through the skin layers and goes through the skin layers and goes through the skin layers and penetrates muscles tissues and joints of penetrates muscles tissues and joints of penetrates muscles tissues and joints of people for instance you have any issues people for instance you have any issues people for instance you have any issues where my stiffness or muscle injuries
20:00where my stiffness or muscle injuries where my stiffness or muscle injuries you know me and Fred is a has shown you know me and Fred is a has shown you know me and Fred is a has shown actually do to be superior when it comes actually do to be superior when it comes actually do to be superior when it comes to tissue healing you know relaxation on to tissue healing you know relaxation on to tissue healing you know relaxation on a really deep penetration ever okay a really deep penetration ever okay a really deep penetration ever okay so we've gone through that and thank you so we've gone through that and thank you so we've gone through that and thank you for laying that out because that kind of for laying that out because that kind of for laying that out because that kind of sets the stage for further discussion sets the stage for further discussion sets the stage for further discussion yeah one of the benefits that we yeah one of the benefits that we yeah one of the benefits that we continue to hear about when it comes to continue to hear about when it comes to continue to hear about when it comes to sauna use is heat shock proteins yep do sauna use is heat shock proteins yep do sauna use is heat shock proteins yep do these come out of a particular part of these come out of a particular part of these come out of a particular part of that spectrum or which if we wanted to that spectrum or which if we wanted to that spectrum or which if we wanted to generate heat shock proteins and maybe generate heat shock proteins and maybe generate heat shock proteins and maybe it's worth defining those first and then it's worth defining those first and then it's worth defining those first and then if we wanted to generate them what part if we wanted to generate them what part if we wanted to generate them what part of the spectrum true really looking for of the spectrum true really looking for of the spectrum true really looking for sure I think for those of you you don't sure I think for those of you you don't sure I think for those of you you don't know I mean he took protein so as the know I mean he took protein so as the know I mean he took protein so as the name says it's a it's a form of a name says it's a it's a form of a name says it's a it's a form of a protein that exists inside the body that protein that exists inside the body that protein that exists inside the body that is being activated we certainly also is being activated we certainly also is being activated we certainly also produced through genome expression when produced through genome expression when produced through genome expression when we are encountered at when we have a we are encountered at when we have a we are encountered at when we have a high heat exposure similar to when you
21:00high heat exposure similar to when you high heat exposure similar to when you have cold shock proteins you know have cold shock proteins you know have cold shock proteins you know through ice bear thing it's sort of the through ice bear thing it's sort of the through ice bear thing it's sort of the same just for heat and the interesting same just for heat and the interesting same just for heat and the interesting thing about heat shock proteins is thing about heat shock proteins is thing about heat shock proteins is really that you know it is a protein and really that you know it is a protein and really that you know it is a protein and in some way it's really supporting all in some way it's really supporting all in some way it's really supporting all the other proteins that we have inside the other proteins that we have inside the other proteins that we have inside the cell so I think Rhonda Patrick she's the cell so I think Rhonda Patrick she's the cell so I think Rhonda Patrick she's done excellent studies and videos on done excellent studies and videos on done excellent studies and videos on there really expressing that he choked there really expressing that he choked there really expressing that he choked proteins are amazing for so many proteins are amazing for so many proteins are amazing for so many different reasons and I think we could different reasons and I think we could different reasons and I think we could probably do a podcast on that alone and probably do a podcast on that alone and probably do a podcast on that alone and be mostly researchers on there on that be mostly researchers on there on that be mostly researchers on there on that sort of level but briefly what they do sort of level but briefly what they do sort of level but briefly what they do is they they support and enhance the is they they support and enhance the is they they support and enhance the three-dimensional structure of a protein three-dimensional structure of a protein three-dimensional structure of a protein what research has shown is that if what research has shown is that if what research has shown is that if people actually suffer from diseases and people actually suffer from diseases and people actually suffer from diseases and it's probably true for most of the it's probably true for most of the it's probably true for most of the diseases that the cell frequency of our diseases that the cell frequency of our diseases that the cell frequency of our cells actually changes and we actually cells actually changes and we actually cells actually changes and we actually see on a microscopic level that you know see on a microscopic level that you know see on a microscopic level that you know some cells have a rather healthy some cells have a rather healthy some cells have a rather healthy frequencies and others don't frequencies and others don't frequencies and others don't now we have a very similar effect when now we have a very similar effect when now we have a very similar effect when it comes to proteins so the proteins in it comes to proteins so the proteins in it comes to proteins so the proteins in a cell obviously give you an indication a cell obviously give you an indication a cell obviously give you an indication of how healthy the cell or the protein
22:00of how healthy the cell or the protein of how healthy the cell or the protein actually really is and if we can become actually really is and if we can become actually really is and if we can become sick you later sort of loses sick you later sort of loses sick you later sort of loses three-dimensional structure and that's three-dimensional structure and that's three-dimensional structure and that's where he choked proteins come in there where he choked proteins come in there where he choked proteins come in there being sort of induced and activated by being sort of induced and activated by being sort of induced and activated by heat and therefore support all the other heat and therefore support all the other heat and therefore support all the other proteins in there sort of healthy proteins in there sort of healthy proteins in there sort of healthy conditioning which in hindsight actually conditioning which in hindsight actually conditioning which in hindsight actually is related to longevity because if we is related to longevity because if we is related to longevity because if we knew that you know we can pretty much knew that you know we can pretty much knew that you know we can pretty much improve the health of a proteins and improve the health of a proteins and improve the health of a proteins and cells we can you know we can I think we cells we can you know we can I think we cells we can you know we can I think we overall help the body in terms of overall help the body in terms of overall help the body in terms of longevity and and a healthy state on a longevity and and a healthy state on a longevity and and a healthy state on a on a metabolic level now this because on a metabolic level now this because on a metabolic level now this because really I think technical when it comes really I think technical when it comes really I think technical when it comes to frequencies of cells and stuff but in to frequencies of cells and stuff but in to frequencies of cells and stuff but in general they sort of little help is general they sort of little help is general they sort of little help is inside the body inside the body inside the body let's support all the other proteins and let's support all the other proteins and let's support all the other proteins and what is amazing about those is that once what is amazing about those is that once what is amazing about those is that once they're activated is not it's not that they're activated is not it's not that they're activated is not it's not that you know they'll be deactivated if you you know they'll be deactivated if you you know they'll be deactivated if you don't use this on every day but research don't use this on every day but research don't use this on every day but research has actually showing that you know once has actually showing that you know once has actually showing that you know once you have this heat inducement they can
23:00you have this heat inducement they can you have this heat inducement they can actually be around for four to six weeks actually be around for four to six weeks actually be around for four to six weeks and really sort of leaving a positive and really sort of leaving a positive and really sort of leaving a positive impression or a positive effect on impression or a positive effect on impression or a positive effect on yourselves yourselves yourselves although it's pretty so like it's simple although it's pretty so like it's simple although it's pretty so like it's simple like a simple protocol I mean even just like a simple protocol I mean even just like a simple protocol I mean even just going once as yeah I'm one of the going once as yeah I'm one of the going once as yeah I'm one of the lasting benefit I I agree I like I think lasting benefit I I agree I like I think lasting benefit I I agree I like I think in terms of P track proteins you know it in terms of P track proteins you know it in terms of P track proteins you know it will definitely fan impact now whether will definitely fan impact now whether will definitely fan impact now whether you can link back he check proteins to you can link back he check proteins to you can link back he check proteins to infrared saunas itself that's I think infrared saunas itself that's I think infrared saunas itself that's I think that's one of the most exciting elements that's one of the most exciting elements that's one of the most exciting elements about research nowadays because most of about research nowadays because most of about research nowadays because most of these most of the research that has been these most of the research that has been these most of the research that has been done on heat shock proteins was done done on heat shock proteins was done done on heat shock proteins was done with traditional Finnish saunas which with traditional Finnish saunas which with traditional Finnish saunas which you know did leave participants exposed you know did leave participants exposed you know did leave participants exposed a thing to tend to ten to twenty or a thing to tend to ten to twenty or a thing to tend to ten to twenty or twenty five minutes with a heat of twenty five minutes with a heat of twenty five minutes with a heat of hundred Celsius approximately and hundred Celsius approximately and hundred Celsius approximately and therefore you can't really link it back therefore you can't really link it back therefore you can't really link it back to you the different infrared spectrums to you the different infrared spectrums to you the different infrared spectrums what is you know what is what is you know what is what is you know what is I think agreed is that a higher I think agreed is that a higher I think agreed is that a higher temperature so a higher core temperature temperature so a higher core temperature temperature so a higher core temperature so that you know if you're exposed so that you know if you're exposed so that you know if you're exposed obviously to our high temperature sauna obviously to our high temperature sauna obviously to our high temperature sauna then overtime because you said because
24:00then overtime because you said because then overtime because you said because he's wet profusely your core temperature he's wet profusely your core temperature he's wet profusely your core temperature goes up and you'll have the same effect goes up and you'll have the same effect goes up and you'll have the same effect in an infrared sauna now what I'm yet to in an infrared sauna now what I'm yet to in an infrared sauna now what I'm yet to experience on my private level is experience on my private level is experience on my private level is actually seeing okay how does my core actually seeing okay how does my core actually seeing okay how does my core temperature change when I do 20 minutes temperature change when I do 20 minutes temperature change when I do 20 minutes in a traditional sauna this is 45 of 60 in a traditional sauna this is 45 of 60 in a traditional sauna this is 45 of 60 minutes possibly even in an infrared so minutes possibly even in an infrared so minutes possibly even in an infrared so I'm very confident that you probably see I'm very confident that you probably see I'm very confident that you probably see a similar increase in core temperature a similar increase in core temperature a similar increase in core temperature which is why I believe that the human which is why I believe that the human which is why I believe that the human growth I sorry the heat shock protein growth I sorry the heat shock protein growth I sorry the heat shock protein aspect is very similar and in a sauna aspect is very similar and in a sauna aspect is very similar and in a sauna but I haven't seen much research as much but I haven't seen much research as much but I haven't seen much research as much research out there which is which is a research out there which is which is a research out there which is which is a pity but obviously also an opportunity pity but obviously also an opportunity pity but obviously also an opportunity for just reading more knowledge in that for just reading more knowledge in that for just reading more knowledge in that space mm-hmm we'll get into protocols in space mm-hmm we'll get into protocols in space mm-hmm we'll get into protocols in a little bit but I want to earmark this a little bit but I want to earmark this a little bit but I want to earmark this one about timing one about timing one about timing so using Finnish saunas versus infrared so using Finnish saunas versus infrared so using Finnish saunas versus infrared well we'll talk about this in a little well we'll talk about this in a little well we'll talk about this in a little bit sure human growth hormone is a bit sure human growth hormone is a bit sure human growth hormone is a fascinating conversation especially with fascinating conversation especially with fascinating conversation especially with all of this the recent work that's come all of this the recent work that's come all of this the recent work that's come out about biological age and just the
25:00out about biological age and just the out about biological age and just the role that growth hormone has played in role that growth hormone has played in role that growth hormone has played in some of those studies and saunas as a some of those studies and saunas as a some of those studies and saunas as a benefit to growth hormone is there is benefit to growth hormone is there is benefit to growth hormone is there is there a right type of sauna for this is there a right type of sauna for this is there a right type of sauna for this is a universal benefit or is there a more a universal benefit or is there a more a universal benefit or is there a more benefit from let's say far infrared benefit from let's say far infrared benefit from let's say far infrared all right so this episode is about songs all right so this episode is about songs all right so this episode is about songs of course and one of the features I of course and one of the features I of course and one of the features I loved about the clear light is that I am loved about the clear light is that I am loved about the clear light is that I am able to adjust the light spectrum that I able to adjust the light spectrum that I able to adjust the light spectrum that I get within the sauna and there's get within the sauna and there's get within the sauna and there's something to be said about color therapy something to be said about color therapy something to be said about color therapy if you go into Alexander bunches episode if you go into Alexander bunches episode if you go into Alexander bunches episode on this podcast but one of the spectrums on this podcast but one of the spectrums on this podcast but one of the spectrums of light that is the diva of the light of light that is the diva of the light of light that is the diva of the light world and I mean diva like Madonna kind world and I mean diva like Madonna kind world and I mean diva like Madonna kind of thing is blue light and blue light of thing is blue light and blue light of thing is blue light and blue light will indeed screw up your sleep if you will indeed screw up your sleep if you will indeed screw up your sleep if you tend to use too much of it late in the tend to use too much of it late in the tend to use too much of it late in the evening and so how do I equip myself so evening and so how do I equip myself so evening and so how do I equip myself so that I can keep working a little bit
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27:00minutes people were measured and you minutes people were measured and you know it was it was possible to see an know it was it was possible to see an know it was it was possible to see an increase in human growth hormone which increase in human growth hormone which increase in human growth hormone which then in turn led to an to a reduction of then in turn led to an to a reduction of then in turn led to an to a reduction of body fed I think for up to four percent body fed I think for up to four percent body fed I think for up to four percent but that was there was purely with the but that was there was purely with the but that was there was purely with the ambition or with the motivation of ambition or with the motivation of ambition or with the motivation of weight loss I think it really calls for weight loss I think it really calls for weight loss I think it really calls for another study which is probably similar another study which is probably similar another study which is probably similar condition but specifically to look at condition but specifically to look at condition but specifically to look at HGH but alongside with that they HGH but alongside with that they HGH but alongside with that they actually also saw an increase of serum actually also saw an increase of serum actually also saw an increase of serum glucose levels and the hypothesis that glucose levels and the hypothesis that glucose levels and the hypothesis that they derive from this study in which you they derive from this study in which you they derive from this study in which you know I guess it's proven unless this and know I guess it's proven unless this and know I guess it's proven unless this and another hypotheses sort of another hypotheses sort of another hypotheses sort of counterbalances that is then the higher counterbalances that is then the higher counterbalances that is then the higher the loss of body fat and the higher the the loss of body fat and the higher the the loss of body fat and the higher the core temperature during the sauna core temperature during the sauna core temperature during the sauna session was the more or the higher the session was the more or the higher the session was the more or the higher the human growth hormone levels were human growth hormone levels were human growth hormone levels were measured so sort of it's a little bit measured so sort of it's a little bit measured so sort of it's a little bit patchy in that sense because there's a patchy in that sense because there's a patchy in that sense because there's a little bit vague and to himself you know
28:00little bit vague and to himself you know little bit vague and to himself you know okay what does it actually really mean okay what does it actually really mean okay what does it actually really mean but that's there was sort of the but that's there was sort of the but that's there was sort of the conclusion of this specific study so and conclusion of this specific study so and conclusion of this specific study so and that's why Simon Fred so one has a sort that's why Simon Fred so one has a sort that's why Simon Fred so one has a sort of you know I called weight loss proven of you know I called weight loss proven of you know I called weight loss proven because there seems to be something because there seems to be something because there seems to be something going on with the HDH and this year on going on with the HDH and this year on going on with the HDH and this year on glucose levels which in hindsight lets glucose levels which in hindsight lets glucose levels which in hindsight lets you and increase oil sorry a reduction you and increase oil sorry a reduction you and increase oil sorry a reduction of body fat but it's it's a little bit of body fat but it's it's a little bit of body fat but it's it's a little bit vague so in that study if you don't mind vague so in that study if you don't mind vague so in that study if you don't mind me asking what were the key conclusions me asking what were the key conclusions me asking what were the key conclusions as it regards to to weight loss like you as it regards to to weight loss like you as it regards to to weight loss like you saw a reduction in body fat you saw an saw a reduction in body fat you saw an saw a reduction in body fat you saw an increase in growth hormone I'm assuming increase in growth hormone I'm assuming increase in growth hormone I'm assuming that means you saw weight loss but if that means you saw weight loss but if that means you saw weight loss but if were there controls also around the diet were there controls also around the diet were there controls also around the diet and now I think it's a good question I and now I think it's a good question I and now I think it's a good question I haven't haven't seen the the full report haven't haven't seen the the full report haven't haven't seen the the full report after see in the summary but what was after see in the summary but what was after see in the summary but what was interesting is that sauna interesting is that sauna interesting is that sauna in the evening so basically they didn't in the evening so basically they didn't in the evening so basically they didn't really look at diets according to this really look at diets according to this really look at diets according to this study it was that both participants you study it was that both participants you study it was that both participants you know left everything as it is so you know left everything as it is so you know left everything as it is so you know they've sort of were living the
29:00know they've sort of were living the know they've sort of were living the normal lifestyle normal lifestyle normal lifestyle probably some had a better diet than probably some had a better diet than probably some had a better diet than others I think it's pretty challenging others I think it's pretty challenging others I think it's pretty challenging to limiting that but what they saw is to limiting that but what they saw is to limiting that but what they saw is that people who use the sauna in the that people who use the sauna in the that people who use the sauna in the evening and a higher loss of body fat evening and a higher loss of body fat evening and a higher loss of body fat that people using it in the morning that people using it in the morning that people using it in the morning so that was one there was an interesting so that was one there was an interesting so that was one there was an interesting conclusion and also I think they had two conclusion and also I think they had two conclusion and also I think they had two groups of people one was for 30 minutes groups of people one was for 30 minutes groups of people one was for 30 minutes or 25 minutes or 25 minutes or 25 minutes the other one was for 45 minutes and I the other one was for 45 minutes and I the other one was for 45 minutes and I was really showing the longer people use was really showing the longer people use was really showing the longer people use the sauna the sauna the sauna the higher the core temperature the higher the core temperature the higher the core temperature obviously went and the more body fat obviously went and the more body fat obviously went and the more body fat loss as it has been reported that's loss as it has been reported that's loss as it has been reported that's fascinating I mean I'm just fascinating I mean I'm just fascinating I mean I'm just pontificating here but like if you raise pontificating here but like if you raise pontificating here but like if you raise growth hormone in the evening and then growth hormone in the evening and then growth hormone in the evening and then you sleep and you in theory maybe you sleep and you in theory maybe you sleep and you in theory maybe there's a correlation there with there's a correlation there with there's a correlation there with increased deep sleep or increased growth increased deep sleep or increased growth increased deep sleep or increased growth hormone going into sleep and that helps hormone going into sleep and that helps hormone going into sleep and that helps your body repair better and therefore your body repair better and therefore your body repair better and therefore you're able to burn fat more could be you're able to burn fat more could be you're able to burn fat more could be six degrees to Kevin Bacon to me yeah six degrees to Kevin Bacon to me yeah six degrees to Kevin Bacon to me yeah yeah yeah yeah it's quite complex i if yeah yeah yeah it's quite complex i if yeah yeah yeah it's quite complex i if you if you take all these different
30:00you if you take all these different you if you take all these different factors into consideration I think the factors into consideration I think the factors into consideration I think the other thing is that I think body other thing is that I think body other thing is that I think body temperature spikes up in the evening so temperature spikes up in the evening so temperature spikes up in the evening so they sort of practising heat shock you they sort of practising heat shock you they sort of practising heat shock you know any sort of heat exposure a heat know any sort of heat exposure a heat know any sort of heat exposure a heat hug exposure it sort of trains your body hug exposure it sort of trains your body hug exposure it sort of trains your body I guess to really working with this heat I guess to really working with this heat I guess to really working with this heat and sort of you know also cooling down and sort of you know also cooling down and sort of you know also cooling down afterwards now whether you do a hot afterwards now whether you do a hot afterwards now whether you do a hot shower a cold shower probably also plays shower a cold shower probably also plays shower a cold shower probably also plays into in fact because it regulates a into in fact because it regulates a into in fact because it regulates a blood pressure in some way but it just blood pressure in some way but it just blood pressure in some way but it just really shows I think that there's still really shows I think that there's still really shows I think that there's still a lot to be learned when it comes to you a lot to be learned when it comes to you a lot to be learned when it comes to you know infrared saunas versus honest know infrared saunas versus honest know infrared saunas versus honest versus you know HGH and and and all versus you know HGH and and and all versus you know HGH and and and all these different factors and I'm just these different factors and I'm just these different factors and I'm just fascinated by it so grateful to be here fascinated by it so grateful to be here fascinated by it so grateful to be here talking about it but I still feel like talking about it but I still feel like talking about it but I still feel like I'm just you know I'm just you know I'm just you know tipping the iceberg off of everything tipping the iceberg off of everything tipping the iceberg off of everything that we're yet to know about it and to that we're yet to know about it and to that we're yet to know about it and to others listening in my others listening in my others listening in my there's still a lot of research to be there's still a lot of research to be there's still a lot of research to be done here right just yes there is and done here right just yes there is and done here right just yes there is and we're learning so much at a rapid clip we're learning so much at a rapid clip we're learning so much at a rapid clip in health in general in health in general in health in general yeah and sauna is definitely one of yeah and sauna is definitely one of yeah and sauna is definitely one of those spaces but yeah I mean we've those spaces but yeah I mean we've those spaces but yeah I mean we've mentioned a few characters here today mentioned a few characters here today mentioned a few characters here today like Ron or Patrick who's she said some
31:00like Ron or Patrick who's she said some like Ron or Patrick who's she said some interesting research about how to mimic interesting research about how to mimic interesting research about how to mimic exercise with sauna yeah can we delve exercise with sauna yeah can we delve exercise with sauna yeah can we delve into that a little bit yeah sure I mean into that a little bit yeah sure I mean into that a little bit yeah sure I mean um um um yeah I think she actually she posted a yeah I think she actually she posted a yeah I think she actually she posted a study on that but I think there was also study on that but I think there was also study on that but I think there was also a study that came out in Germany last a study that came out in Germany last a study that came out in Germany last year which showed exactly that you know year which showed exactly that you know year which showed exactly that you know and that was again using a traditional and that was again using a traditional and that was again using a traditional sauna not an infrared sauna and that sauna not an infrared sauna and that sauna not an infrared sauna and that you're using the sauna frequently you you're using the sauna frequently you you're using the sauna frequently you know pretty much mimics of workout in know pretty much mimics of workout in know pretty much mimics of workout in terms of cardiovascular activity and I terms of cardiovascular activity and I terms of cardiovascular activity and I think if we just look at what happens is think if we just look at what happens is think if we just look at what happens is you know then then it actually becomes you know then then it actually becomes you know then then it actually becomes quite clear because although we're quite clear because although we're quite clear because although we're basically just sitting inside the sauna basically just sitting inside the sauna basically just sitting inside the sauna and relaxing you know our heart rate and relaxing you know our heart rate and relaxing you know our heart rate starts to beat you know I think well starts to beat you know I think well starts to beat you know I think well they've seen up to you 140 beats per they've seen up to you 140 beats per they've seen up to you 140 beats per minute 150 beats per minute during a minute 150 beats per minute during a minute 150 beats per minute during a sauna session now every one of us who sauna session now every one of us who sauna session now every one of us who exercises of you guys exercise notice exercises of you guys exercise notice exercises of you guys exercise notice that that's quite a high pace in terms that that's quite a high pace in terms that that's quite a high pace in terms of hydrate from reason wash players you of hydrate from reason wash players you of hydrate from reason wash players you know which is quite an extreme they I know which is quite an extreme they I know which is quite an extreme they I think they made 160 hundred seventy so think they made 160 hundred seventy so think they made 160 hundred seventy so getting pretty close to that and while
32:00getting pretty close to that and while getting pretty close to that and while you just sit in there like your heart you just sit in there like your heart you just sit in there like your heart pumps oxygen oxygen flow is being pumps oxygen oxygen flow is being pumps oxygen oxygen flow is being increased you know more nutrients are increased you know more nutrients are increased you know more nutrients are actually being transported to the actually being transported to the actually being transported to the muscles which means that you know muscle muscles which means that you know muscle muscles which means that you know muscle recovery which we haven't talked about recovery which we haven't talked about recovery which we haven't talked about is a big thing with with saunas and is a big thing with with saunas and is a big thing with with saunas and infrared saunas and in some way you also infrared saunas and in some way you also infrared saunas and in some way you also seeing a reduction of blood pressure seeing a reduction of blood pressure seeing a reduction of blood pressure because obviously the magic of word I because obviously the magic of word I because obviously the magic of word I guess is vessel dilation so you guys may guess is vessel dilation so you guys may guess is vessel dilation so you guys may be seeing that your heart pumps be seeing that your heart pumps be seeing that your heart pumps basically more blood through the basically more blood through the basically more blood through the arteries and veins which means the arteries and veins which means the arteries and veins which means the volume increases because the pumps more volume increases because the pumps more volume increases because the pumps more so it's almost like you're training your so it's almost like you're training your so it's almost like you're training your heart to this extreme heat shock heart to this extreme heat shock heart to this extreme heat shock condition which then in hindsight also condition which then in hindsight also condition which then in hindsight also leaves a positive effect for any sort of leaves a positive effect for any sort of leaves a positive effect for any sort of cardiac aspects which is why the study cardiac aspects which is why the study cardiac aspects which is why the study from RCX we showed has shown that you from RCX we showed has shown that you from RCX we showed has shown that you know the risk of cardiovascular Lisa's I know the risk of cardiovascular Lisa's I know the risk of cardiovascular Lisa's I think went down 40% you know if you do think went down 40% you know if you do think went down 40% you know if you do it four to seven times a week Wow Wow it four to seven times a week Wow Wow it four to seven times a week Wow Wow mmm four to seven times a week is a lot mmm four to seven times a week is a lot mmm four to seven times a week is a lot for most people but so it
33:00for most people but so it for most people but so it it's doable it's achievable especially it's doable it's achievable especially it's doable it's achievable especially he had that goal for cardiovascular he had that goal for cardiovascular he had that goal for cardiovascular disease I agree yeah and let's I want to disease I agree yeah and let's I want to disease I agree yeah and let's I want to on two more points I want to make on the on two more points I want to make on the on two more points I want to make on the benefits of this muscle recovery benefits of this muscle recovery benefits of this muscle recovery I am I still consider myself an athlete I am I still consider myself an athlete I am I still consider myself an athlete even though I haven't competed in sport even though I haven't competed in sport even though I haven't competed in sport well I did a marathon last year but like well I did a marathon last year but like well I did a marathon last year but like oh you know I haven't professionally oh you know I haven't professionally oh you know I haven't professionally competed in sport in a very long time competed in sport in a very long time competed in sport in a very long time yeah muscle recovery and the use of yeah muscle recovery and the use of yeah muscle recovery and the use of sauna sauna sauna how would you characterize that I think how would you characterize that I think how would you characterize that I think it's part of what I you know what I just it's part of what I you know what I just it's part of what I you know what I just said earlier you know just recently I said earlier you know just recently I said earlier you know just recently I said if you expose yourself to your said if you expose yourself to your said if you expose yourself to your sauna environment and you know first of sauna environment and you know first of sauna environment and you know first of all I think you're coming out of this all I think you're coming out of this all I think you're coming out of this fight and fight mode even if you're fight and fight mode even if you're fight and fight mode even if you're competing on a high level or you excuse competing on a high level or you excuse competing on a high level or you excuse me especially then I think you're also me especially then I think you're also me especially then I think you're also exposed to a lot of stress because you exposed to a lot of stress because you exposed to a lot of stress because you have to perform right so I think people have to perform right so I think people have to perform right so I think people don't really talk about that because don't really talk about that because don't really talk about that because most of the studies they sort of just most of the studies they sort of just most of the studies they sort of just aim on a metabolic level okay what
34:00aim on a metabolic level okay what aim on a metabolic level okay what happens actually inside the body but happens actually inside the body but happens actually inside the body but what I'm a big fan of emphasizing is what I'm a big fan of emphasizing is what I'm a big fan of emphasizing is that you just take time to de-stress you that you just take time to de-stress you that you just take time to de-stress you take time to self nurture and to take time to self nurture and to take time to self nurture and to possibly meditate or just you know just possibly meditate or just you know just possibly meditate or just you know just quiet your mind so to speak so I think quiet your mind so to speak so I think quiet your mind so to speak so I think that's certainly one of these things that's certainly one of these things that's certainly one of these things that we actually see you know on a sort that we actually see you know on a sort that we actually see you know on a sort of more stress and mental level but in of more stress and mental level but in of more stress and mental level but in terms of muscle and you know muscle terms of muscle and you know muscle terms of muscle and you know muscle recovery and muscle generation certainly recovery and muscle generation certainly recovery and muscle generation certainly by you know having that increase of by you know having that increase of by you know having that increase of oxygen flow more blood is being oxygen flow more blood is being oxygen flow more blood is being transported through the muscles right so transported through the muscles right so transported through the muscles right so imagine you've had you know an intense imagine you've had you know an intense imagine you've had you know an intense workout for an hour and probably high workout for an hour and probably high workout for an hour and probably high intensity weight weight training you intensity weight weight training you intensity weight weight training you know your muscles are pretty much know your muscles are pretty much know your muscles are pretty much depleted you know from you trance you depleted you know from you trance you depleted you know from you trance you can't you can't do anything anymore now can't you can't do anything anymore now can't you can't do anything anymore now you're just going in the sauna and you're just going in the sauna and you're just going in the sauna and you're just relaxing but what actually you're just relaxing but what actually you're just relaxing but what actually happens is blood flow is increased happens is blood flow is increased happens is blood flow is increased oxygen is increase and what nutrients oxygen is increase and what nutrients oxygen is increase and what nutrients are actually being transported to the are actually being transported to the are actually being transported to the muscles which is in a way you're all muscles which is in a way you're all muscles which is in a way you're all these little cells and your help is these little cells and your help is these little cells and your help is telling you okay hey this muscle is telling you okay hey this muscle is telling you okay hey this muscle is tired I need to do something about it tired I need to do something about it tired I need to do something about it right so you're almost like cheating you right so you're almost like cheating you right so you're almost like cheating you know you're almost like cheating the know you're almost like cheating the know you're almost like cheating the system because you can just speed things
35:00system because you can just speed things system because you can just speed things up by just going in the sauna so that's up by just going in the sauna so that's up by just going in the sauna so that's I think that's certainly when when it I think that's certainly when when it I think that's certainly when when it comes to muscle recovery um the comes to muscle recovery um the comes to muscle recovery um the interesting that is and I you know I'm interesting that is and I you know I'm interesting that is and I you know I'm so puzzled by this but when the Patrick so puzzled by this but when the Patrick so puzzled by this but when the Patrick um I think she basically posted about it um I think she basically posted about it um I think she basically posted about it we we we they've done a study with long-term they've done a study with long-term they've done a study with long-term distance runners wasn't many I think it distance runners wasn't many I think it distance runners wasn't many I think it was only ten you know six to ten that was only ten you know six to ten that was only ten you know six to ten that they actually looked at but what was they actually looked at but what was they actually looked at but what was obvious is that they they had them do obvious is that they they had them do obvious is that they they had them do two sauna sessions a week right after two sauna sessions a week right after two sauna sessions a week right after the running for 30 minutes again it was the running for 30 minutes again it was the running for 30 minutes again it was a traditional sauna or what they could a traditional sauna or what they could a traditional sauna or what they could see is that after this 12 weeks the see is that after this 12 weeks the see is that after this 12 weeks the people that used to sue not twice a week people that used to sue not twice a week people that used to sue not twice a week or more frequently were able to run an or more frequently were able to run an or more frequently were able to run an increased distance of 32 percent which increased distance of 32 percent which increased distance of 32 percent which means come on to their competitors who means come on to their competitors who means come on to their competitors who didn't use the sauna you know there was didn't use the sauna you know there was didn't use the sauna you know there was a 32% up to my optimization just by a 32% up to my optimization just by a 32% up to my optimization just by going in the sauna right after the going in the sauna right after the going in the sauna right after the workout and I that's just a such a workout and I that's just a such a workout and I that's just a such a powerful number and I just really want
36:00powerful number and I just really want powerful number and I just really want to understand how exactly this all works to understand how exactly this all works to understand how exactly this all works right yeah but it's it's pretty powerful right yeah but it's it's pretty powerful right yeah but it's it's pretty powerful which is why we as a company also we see which is why we as a company also we see which is why we as a company also we see you know lots of top athletes that you know lots of top athletes that you know lots of top athletes that actually use a sauna on infrared so as actually use a sauna on infrared so as actually use a sauna on infrared so as part of the workout routine as part of part of the workout routine as part of part of the workout routine as part of their you know recovery routine for their you know recovery routine for their you know recovery routine for after a fight or after workout after a after a fight or after workout after a after a fight or after workout after a long run or even after surfing long run or even after surfing long run or even after surfing competitions yeah and I certainly use it competitions yeah and I certainly use it competitions yeah and I certainly use it myself when I'm training a handful of myself when I'm training a handful of myself when I'm training a handful of times a week when I can you know it's times a week when I can you know it's times a week when I can you know it's nice to stack it right after that nice to stack it right after that nice to stack it right after that workout if you have the time yeah but workout if you have the time yeah but workout if you have the time yeah but definitely some of the benefits you've definitely some of the benefits you've definitely some of the benefits you've noted late an evening of getting this noted late an evening of getting this noted late an evening of getting this done I mean just getting it into your done I mean just getting it into your done I mean just getting it into your regimen overall sounds like a great idea regimen overall sounds like a great idea regimen overall sounds like a great idea I agree we jump into the detox because I agree we jump into the detox because I agree we jump into the detox because yeah detoxification has to me for the yeah detoxification has to me for the yeah detoxification has to me for the longest time had this really bad longest time had this really bad longest time had this really bad stereotype of being juice cleanse design stereotype of being juice cleanse design stereotype of being juice cleanse design I hate that but we're talking about like I hate that but we're talking about like I hate that but we're talking about like actual detoxification here yeah and so actual detoxification here yeah and so actual detoxification here yeah and so just walking through a little bit about
37:00just walking through a little bit about just walking through a little bit about how that works with saunas and then I how that works with saunas and then I how that works with saunas and then I gotta ask about the niacin detox so gotta ask about the niacin detox so gotta ask about the niacin detox so let's go through detox first and then let's go through detox first and then let's go through detox first and then we'll go through - Andy stop yeah sure I we'll go through - Andy stop yeah sure I we'll go through - Andy stop yeah sure I think that was actually when in France think that was actually when in France think that was actually when in France when it's really gained a lot of when it's really gained a lot of when it's really gained a lot of popularity because there were a few popularity because there were a few popularity because there were a few advocates and a few I think also a advocates and a few I think also a advocates and a few I think also a reports directory said that infrared reports directory said that infrared reports directory said that infrared saunas can detoxify four to five times saunas can detoxify four to five times saunas can detoxify four to five times more effectively than a traditional more effectively than a traditional more effectively than a traditional sauna and it sort of works by well a sauna and it sort of works by well a sauna and it sort of works by well a being longer in the sauna but also being longer in the sauna but also being longer in the sauna but also you know beyond a on on the fact that in you know beyond a on on the fact that in you know beyond a on on the fact that in Fred works on a more cellular level Fred works on a more cellular level Fred works on a more cellular level right so we specifically spoken about right so we specifically spoken about right so we specifically spoken about fine Fred which seems to be most fine Fred which seems to be most fine Fred which seems to be most effective for any any form of effective for any any form of effective for any any form of detoxification because you know if we detoxification because you know if we detoxification because you know if we look at where toxins I'm mostly stored look at where toxins I'm mostly stored look at where toxins I'm mostly stored it's it's pretty much run the organs it's it's pretty much run the organs it's it's pretty much run the organs right it's sort of the belly said any right it's sort of the belly said any right it's sort of the belly said any type of fat under the skin that sort of type of fat under the skin that sort of type of fat under the skin that sort of where toxins are being stored and you where toxins are being stored and you where toxins are being stored and you know we get so many different options I know we get so many different options I know we get so many different options I guess of how toxins can actually enter guess of how toxins can actually enter guess of how toxins can actually enter allies whether it's through food you allies whether it's through food you allies whether it's through food you know through air through pollution you
38:00know through air through pollution you know through air through pollution you know travel and I think it just becomes know travel and I think it just becomes know travel and I think it just becomes quite daunting if you actually quite daunting if you actually quite daunting if you actually understand what what is toxic and how understand what what is toxic and how understand what what is toxic and how can toxins enter the body right you can can toxins enter the body right you can can toxins enter the body right you can basically become a hypochondriac right basically become a hypochondriac right basically become a hypochondriac right yes and that's that's an interesting one yes and that's that's an interesting one yes and that's that's an interesting one well what we've seen unfortunately you well what we've seen unfortunately you well what we've seen unfortunately you know we've done a study in the US and know we've done a study in the US and know we've done a study in the US and sort of actually called for programs you sort of actually called for programs you sort of actually called for programs you said all you know you know contact us if said all you know you know contact us if said all you know you know contact us if you if you feel that you have a toxicity you if you feel that you have a toxicity you if you feel that you have a toxicity so that we can help you become you know so that we can help you become you know so that we can help you become you know to detoxify yourself using a protocol to detoxify yourself using a protocol to detoxify yourself using a protocol unfortunately I think only two percent unfortunately I think only two percent unfortunately I think only two percent of the people that call actually had you of the people that call actually had you of the people that call actually had you know had high metals or high toxins know had high metals or high toxins know had high metals or high toxins right so it's just a bit of it's a bit right so it's just a bit of it's a bit right so it's just a bit of it's a bit of a funny thing I guess in society of a funny thing I guess in society of a funny thing I guess in society nowadays whereas he said like you know nowadays whereas he said like you know nowadays whereas he said like you know is it juice cleanse really a detox I is it juice cleanse really a detox I is it juice cleanse really a detox I don't know maybe for the mind but don't know maybe for the mind but don't know maybe for the mind but certainly not for the body right yeah so certainly not for the body right yeah so certainly not for the body right yeah so and and and I think that's you know the and and and I think that's you know the and and and I think that's you know the whole detox became really powerful with whole detox became really powerful with whole detox became really powerful with infrared saunas and there's still not a infrared saunas and there's still not a infrared saunas and there's still not a lot of studies out there were there are lot of studies out there were there are lot of studies out there were there are some studies that actually show how some studies that actually show how some studies that actually show how especially for firefighters who are
39:00especially for firefighters who are especially for firefighters who are exposed to a lot of smoke and a lot of exposed to a lot of smoke and a lot of exposed to a lot of smoke and a lot of toxins through the you know through toxins through the you know through toxins through the you know through their work simply that cancer rates have their work simply that cancer rates have their work simply that cancer rates have skyrocketed with is why in some more and skyrocketed with is why in some more and skyrocketed with is why in some more and actually quite a few of these actually quite a few of these actually quite a few of these firefighting centers in the u.s. you firefighting centers in the u.s. you firefighting centers in the u.s. you actually see the infrared so that's part actually see the infrared so that's part actually see the infrared so that's part of their job protocols you know okay you of their job protocols you know okay you of their job protocols you know okay you out there you sort of fight against the out there you sort of fight against the out there you sort of fight against the fires you breathe in toxins and you got fires you breathe in toxins and you got fires you breathe in toxins and you got a detoxify that they see that yeah I a detoxify that they see that yeah I a detoxify that they see that yeah I know I think this works is that toxins know I think this works is that toxins know I think this works is that toxins are sort of stored in the bodies had are sort of stored in the bodies had are sort of stored in the bodies had inside the body and by riddled by you inside the body and by riddled by you inside the body and by riddled by you know emitting of it they're having this know emitting of it they're having this know emitting of it they're having this fired for it being absorbed everything fired for it being absorbed everything fired for it being absorbed everything sort of been shaken up inside the cells sort of been shaken up inside the cells sort of been shaken up inside the cells it's free radicals you have toxins it's it's free radicals you have toxins it's it's free radicals you have toxins it's all stored there and they're sort of all stored there and they're sort of all stored there and they're sort of being shake being shake being shake not through the infrared heat and then not through the infrared heat and then not through the infrared heat and then eliminated through the skin which is the eliminated through the skin which is the eliminated through the skin which is the largest organ of the human body but also largest organ of the human body but also largest organ of the human body but also through any sort of excretion you know through any sort of excretion you know through any sort of excretion you know and that's just I think what the and that's just I think what the and that's just I think what the majority happens but it's it's a funny
40:00majority happens but it's it's a funny majority happens but it's it's a funny one like you see quite a lot of people one like you see quite a lot of people one like you see quite a lot of people who say the human body doesn't need to who say the human body doesn't need to who say the human body doesn't need to detoxify you know all the organs can do detoxify you know all the organs can do detoxify you know all the organs can do everything and I might be true to some everything and I might be true to some everything and I might be true to some extent but I think if someone really has extent but I think if someone really has extent but I think if someone really has like a lot of toxicity inside the body like a lot of toxicity inside the body like a lot of toxicity inside the body then you sort of you know you need an then you sort of you know you need an then you sort of you know you need an external medium and it's you can't external medium and it's you can't external medium and it's you can't really mimic an and Fred so now it's really mimic an and Fred so now it's really mimic an and Fred so now it's pretty challenging to find that in pretty challenging to find that in pretty challenging to find that in nature unless he maybe do you a you know nature unless he maybe do you a you know nature unless he maybe do you a you know a sweat lodge like the ancient Indians a sweat lodge like the ancient Indians a sweat lodge like the ancient Indians but even yes when larger self rotisserie but even yes when larger self rotisserie but even yes when larger self rotisserie even then it's not is not nearly as even then it's not is not nearly as even then it's not is not nearly as effective because of innovation and you effective because of innovation and you effective because of innovation and you know did the drive for that so that's know did the drive for that so that's know did the drive for that so that's sort of my take on detox you know we see sort of my take on detox you know we see sort of my take on detox you know we see and I you know I don't have any study and I you know I don't have any study and I you know I don't have any study sweat but we see a lot of people who sweat but we see a lot of people who sweat but we see a lot of people who come to us and say our house metal come to us and say our house metal come to us and say our house metal toxicity who then actually follow toxicity who then actually follow toxicity who then actually follow protocols such as the Endicott lab protocols such as the Endicott lab protocols such as the Endicott lab protocol or so nice and detox protocol protocol or so nice and detox protocol protocol or so nice and detox protocol of ever inhabit and I have tremendous of ever inhabit and I have tremendous of ever inhabit and I have tremendous successes but then on the other side you successes but then on the other side you successes but then on the other side you see people who don't believe in that at see people who don't believe in that at see people who don't believe in that at all and I think that's really where all and I think that's really where all and I think that's really where again research has to be done in order again research has to be done in order again research has to be done in order to really reach one clear evidence I
41:00to really reach one clear evidence I to really reach one clear evidence I believe in that and I know it works that believe in that and I know it works that believe in that and I know it works that the studies out there really are quite the studies out there really are quite the studies out there really are quite specific when it comes to one situation specific when it comes to one situation specific when it comes to one situation or one symptom as a person who's looking or one symptom as a person who's looking or one symptom as a person who's looking at detox in general yeah I would love to at detox in general yeah I would love to at detox in general yeah I would love to see those studies get fun yeah just see those studies get fun yeah just see those studies get fun yeah just broader detoxification Queen the niacin broader detoxification Queen the niacin broader detoxification Queen the niacin protocol is fascinating to me first off protocol is fascinating to me first off protocol is fascinating to me first off the author of it a little bit of a the author of it a little bit of a the author of it a little bit of a controversial figure but also like some controversial figure but also like some controversial figure but also like some of the pictures you see coming out of of the pictures you see coming out of of the pictures you see coming out of the stuff is pretty pretty gnarly yeah the stuff is pretty pretty gnarly yeah the stuff is pretty pretty gnarly yeah so nice and detox for those who are so nice and detox for those who are so nice and detox for those who are unfamiliar how would you describe it unfamiliar how would you describe it unfamiliar how would you describe it yeah I mean my me I think nice and it's yeah I mean my me I think nice and it's yeah I mean my me I think nice and it's a vitamin is actually vitamin d3 yeah so a vitamin is actually vitamin d3 yeah so a vitamin is actually vitamin d3 yeah so starting with that just to debunk maybe starting with that just to debunk maybe starting with that just to debunk maybe the tomb here the tomb here the tomb here and this protocol was actually created I and this protocol was actually created I and this protocol was actually created I believe from the sixties so it's it's believe from the sixties so it's it's believe from the sixties so it's it's been around for quite a long time but I been around for quite a long time but I been around for quite a long time but I think it's getting a lot of popularity
42:00think it's getting a lot of popularity think it's getting a lot of popularity certainly in the last couple of years certainly in the last couple of years certainly in the last couple of years and there's a huge Facebook group out and there's a huge Facebook group out and there's a huge Facebook group out there was one and I said were a thousand there was one and I said were a thousand there was one and I said were a thousand people that really know so if you know people that really know so if you know people that really know so if you know practices and exchanges that and it practices and exchanges that and it practices and exchanges that and it seems to work otherwise you know people seems to work otherwise you know people seems to work otherwise you know people wouldn't raving would be craving it and wouldn't raving would be craving it and wouldn't raving would be craving it and wouldn't be joining this group but wouldn't be joining this group but wouldn't be joining this group but basically this protocol combines nice basically this protocol combines nice basically this protocol combines nice and exercise and a sauna I deal in and exercise and a sauna I deal in and exercise and a sauna I deal in infrared sauna in order to detoxify your infrared sauna in order to detoxify your infrared sauna in order to detoxify your body now there certain weeks that you body now there certain weeks that you body now there certain weeks that you can do it and obviously over time you're can do it and obviously over time you're can do it and obviously over time you're increasing the doses of vitamin b3 or increasing the doses of vitamin b3 or increasing the doses of vitamin b3 or niacin and let you take inside the body niacin and let you take inside the body niacin and let you take inside the body and for those of you haven't tried it and for those of you haven't tried it and for those of you haven't tried it when you take nice and fairly high doses when you take nice and fairly high doses when you take nice and fairly high doses you get the flush so yeah he getting the you get the flush so yeah he getting the you get the flush so yeah he getting the E and the Johnny red face right there E and the Johnny red face right there E and the Johnny red face right there you get a red face and sort of oneness you get a red face and sort of oneness you get a red face and sort of oneness through your body starts in your face through your body starts in your face through your body starts in your face and the chest belly and the chest belly and the chest belly you know upper legs lower legs and it's you know upper legs lower legs and it's you know upper legs lower legs and it's really bizarre feeling but by basically really bizarre feeling but by basically really bizarre feeling but by basically by basically exercising prior to the by basically exercising prior to the by basically exercising prior to the sauna and then taking niacin just sauna and then taking niacin just sauna and then taking niacin just shortly before you go into the sauna and shortly before you go into the sauna and shortly before you go into the sauna and then using the sauna for an extended
43:00then using the sauna for an extended then using the sauna for an extended time you are you can basically detoxify time you are you can basically detoxify time you are you can basically detoxify your body I haven't done it myself your body I haven't done it myself your body I haven't done it myself that's why you know I can't really kind that's why you know I can't really kind that's why you know I can't really kind really say much about it it's on my list really say much about it it's on my list really say much about it it's on my list to do and I know that I think the finish to do and I know that I think the finish to do and I know that I think the finish biohackers say for instance mentioned it biohackers say for instance mentioned it biohackers say for instance mentioned it and thereby a hex handbook which is and thereby a hex handbook which is and thereby a hex handbook which is great so I believe that it works but great so I believe that it works but great so I believe that it works but it's yeah it's it's an interesting it's yeah it's it's an interesting it's yeah it's it's an interesting experience probably but it seems to be experience probably but it seems to be experience probably but it seems to be quite effective yeah it's quite quite effective yeah it's quite quite effective yeah it's quite effective or I've seen and this is effective or I've seen and this is effective or I've seen and this is anecdotally and I've seen it be quite anecdotally and I've seen it be quite anecdotally and I've seen it be quite effective in people's results for heavy effective in people's results for heavy effective in people's results for heavy metal detoxification in particular metal detoxification in particular metal detoxification in particular things like mercury going from elevated things like mercury going from elevated things like mercury going from elevated to next to nothing very very very fast to next to nothing very very very fast to next to nothing very very very fast yeah there's a very specific protocol yeah there's a very specific protocol yeah there's a very specific protocol though for people to follow so you don't though for people to follow so you don't though for people to follow so you don't just go and blow your brains out with just go and blow your brains out with just go and blow your brains out with niacin and then and they ain't hop into niacin and then and they ain't hop into niacin and then and they ain't hop into the sauna there's a step-by-step the sauna there's a step-by-step the sauna there's a step-by-step protocol and I'll link to that in the protocol and I'll link to that in the protocol and I'll link to that in the show notes of course so that people can show notes of course so that people can show notes of course so that people can check that out should they desire what I check that out should they desire what I check that out should they desire what I think is amazing is that you know this
44:00think is amazing is that you know this think is amazing is that you know this knowledge and this these transformations knowledge and this these transformations knowledge and this these transformations are being actually shared to the public are being actually shared to the public are being actually shared to the public I mean you notice if you I mean you notice if you I mean you notice if you detoxify where you can go probably to detoxify where you can go probably to detoxify where you can go probably to like a professional detox clinics he's like a professional detox clinics he's like a professional detox clinics he's probably gonna do like a similar probably gonna do like a similar probably gonna do like a similar protocol or maybe slightly different and protocol or maybe slightly different and protocol or maybe slightly different and you might get the result results I might you might get the result results I might you might get the result results I might not get the results but I think with not get the results but I think with not get the results but I think with this group although you obviously don't this group although you obviously don't this group although you obviously don't have access to the saunas for free most have access to the saunas for free most have access to the saunas for free most of the time nice and it's not an of the time nice and it's not an of the time nice and it's not an expensive product and you know I'm expensive product and you know I'm expensive product and you know I'm following this routine if it really following this routine if it really following this routine if it really helps you it's it can be a life changer helps you it's it can be a life changer helps you it's it can be a life changer and that's what you read in this group and that's what you read in this group and that's what you read in this group you know over and over again that it's you know over and over again that it's you know over and over again that it's actually worked for people despite the actually worked for people despite the actually worked for people despite the fact that it was obviously hard because fact that it was obviously hard because fact that it was obviously hard because you know people have to detoxify but I you know people have to detoxify but I you know people have to detoxify but I think that itself is is something to be think that itself is is something to be think that itself is is something to be grateful for that you have these grateful for that you have these grateful for that you have these resources and these groups out there resources and these groups out there resources and these groups out there that share the knowledge you know yeah that share the knowledge you know yeah that share the knowledge you know yeah exactly I mean the democratization of exactly I mean the democratization of exactly I mean the democratization of information is just like such a powerful information is just like such a powerful information is just like such a powerful thing and so now we can all it would be thing and so now we can all it would be thing and so now we can all it would be even better if academic research wasn't even better if academic research wasn't even better if academic research wasn't widely available but we can all access a widely available but we can all access a widely available but we can all access a lot of these studies and drug be able to lot of these studies and drug be able to lot of these studies and drug be able to make our own informed decisions because
45:00make our own informed decisions because make our own informed decisions because it is your body after all all right it is your body after all all right it is your body after all all right great great great I just went down a wormhole there we I just went down a wormhole there we I just went down a wormhole there we should let's let let's back out and talk should let's let let's back out and talk should let's let let's back out and talk about clear light because look my about clear light because look my about clear light because look my parents have one I love it and you know parents have one I love it and you know parents have one I love it and you know I'm going to have one soonish you and I I'm going to have one soonish you and I I'm going to have one soonish you and I should talk about that yeah but one of should talk about that yeah but one of should talk about that yeah but one of the things that is key for all of us the things that is key for all of us the things that is key for all of us kind of health optimizing types yeah kind of health optimizing types yeah kind of health optimizing types yeah when we look at saunas and so evaluating when we look at saunas and so evaluating when we look at saunas and so evaluating different saunas is sort of how first different saunas is sort of how first different saunas is sort of how first off is there any good framework to off is there any good framework to off is there any good framework to evaluate a song in the quality of it evaluate a song in the quality of it evaluate a song in the quality of it there is but I think it's quite there is but I think it's quite there is but I think it's quite unfortunately do this whole whole unfortunately do this whole whole unfortunately do this whole whole industry is very in transparent and I industry is very in transparent and I industry is very in transparent and I think you know we were chatting about think you know we were chatting about think you know we were chatting about that before whereas you know it's a lot that before whereas you know it's a lot that before whereas you know it's a lot of MIS claims to be made which is why of MIS claims to be made which is why of MIS claims to be made which is why it's getting frustrating for potential it's getting frustrating for potential it's getting frustrating for potential customers or customers really making an customers or customers really making an customers or customers really making an educated decision so what we've done is educated decision so what we've done is educated decision so what we've done is we created a buying guide and you know
46:00we created a buying guide and you know we created a buying guide and you know the infrared sauna buying at health the infrared sauna buying at health the infrared sauna buying at health which aims to help you ask the right which aims to help you ask the right which aims to help you ask the right questions when speaking with different questions when speaking with different questions when speaking with different manufacturers is so opinionated and manufacturers is so opinionated and manufacturers is so opinionated and everyone says all you get the best everyone says all you get the best everyone says all you get the best technology we got XY sad that you know technology we got XY sad that you know technology we got XY sad that you know people actually get lost in there and people actually get lost in there and people actually get lost in there and the quest of finding a suitable infrared the quest of finding a suitable infrared the quest of finding a suitable infrared sauna so just sauna so just sauna so just so there will probably be my thing I'm a so there will probably be my thing I'm a so there will probably be my thing I'm a demon so I'm a big fan of sort of demon so I'm a big fan of sort of demon so I'm a big fan of sort of quality which is why the this whole quality which is why the this whole quality which is why the this whole warrant yeah topic to me is it's quite warrant yeah topic to me is it's quite warrant yeah topic to me is it's quite important and you know I think we've important and you know I think we've important and you know I think we've always had a lifetime warranty for on always had a lifetime warranty for on always had a lifetime warranty for on the saunas and that's to me itself the saunas and that's to me itself the saunas and that's to me itself speaks more than words you know there's speaks more than words you know there's speaks more than words you know there's no explanation required here but I think no explanation required here but I think no explanation required here but I think the other big thing is certainly heated the other big thing is certainly heated the other big thing is certainly heated technology which I'm sure which we can technology which I'm sure which we can technology which I'm sure which we can live in but I'm sure also the tea you live in but I'm sure also the tea you live in but I'm sure also the tea you know the aspect of electromagnetic know the aspect of electromagnetic know the aspect of electromagnetic frequencies electric years high frequencies electric years high frequencies electric years high radiation bluetooth Wi-Fi that sort of radiation bluetooth Wi-Fi that sort of radiation bluetooth Wi-Fi that sort of thing because you know it's okay with thing because you know it's okay with thing because you know it's okay with infrared saunas we're gonna we're gonna infrared saunas we're gonna we're gonna infrared saunas we're gonna we're gonna break these down into pieces because you
47:00break these down into pieces because you break these down into pieces because you just went and sprayed the world with all just went and sprayed the world with all just went and sprayed the world with all the differences and let's go into the I the differences and let's go into the I the differences and let's go into the I think the first one you said was more think the first one you said was more think the first one you said was more about the electro essentially the panels about the electro essentially the panels about the electro essentially the panels on the inside yeah talk to me a little on the inside yeah talk to me a little on the inside yeah talk to me a little bit about like the differentiator in bit about like the differentiator in bit about like the differentiator in panels because obviously that's a huge panels because obviously that's a huge panels because obviously that's a huge part of the experience it is more about part of the experience it is more about part of the experience it is more about it yeah I think I mean basically you can it yeah I think I mean basically you can it yeah I think I mean basically you can you can produce infrared saunas infrared you can produce infrared saunas infrared you can produce infrared saunas infrared heat by heating up different elements in heat by heating up different elements in heat by heating up different elements in nature I think the most commonly one nature I think the most commonly one nature I think the most commonly one used is probably ceramic so you know used is probably ceramic so you know used is probably ceramic so you know everyone knows ceramic is fairly heat everyone knows ceramic is fairly heat everyone knows ceramic is fairly heat resistant that's why you know in ceramic resistant that's why you know in ceramic resistant that's why you know in ceramic you know pots and stuff are being burned you know pots and stuff are being burned you know pots and stuff are being burned in order to make sure that they actually in order to make sure that they actually in order to make sure that they actually last and and in a ceramic rod is last and and in a ceramic rod is last and and in a ceramic rod is basically being heated so you put basically being heated so you put basically being heated so you put electricity and the material heats up electricity and the material heats up electricity and the material heats up and then infrared is being you know
48:00and then infrared is being you know and then infrared is being you know emitted from the materials to the human emitted from the materials to the human emitted from the materials to the human body now because it is a very heat body now because it is a very heat body now because it is a very heat resistant material it also takes a lot resistant material it also takes a lot resistant material it also takes a lot of energy to really heat of this of energy to really heat of this of energy to really heat of this material so therefore it's a rather material so therefore it's a rather material so therefore it's a rather intense it's a really intense type of intense it's a really intense type of intense it's a really intense type of infrared that works great because it's infrared that works great because it's infrared that works great because it's intense but it's also very narrow so you intense but it's also very narrow so you intense but it's also very narrow so you don't really have ceramic plates but you don't really have ceramic plates but you don't really have ceramic plates but you have sent hoobs and have a really high have sent hoobs and have a really high have sent hoobs and have a really high concentrated output for only like a concentrated output for only like a concentrated output for only like a targeted a targeted section of your body targeted a targeted section of your body targeted a targeted section of your body say your spine friends and see that's say your spine friends and see that's say your spine friends and see that's what you'll always you see the spine it what you'll always you see the spine it what you'll always you see the spine it is there is a you know long is there is a you know long is there is a you know long and that's been around for at least 25 and that's been around for at least 25 and that's been around for at least 25 years and we actually ten years ago we years and we actually ten years ago we years and we actually ten years ago we had a ceramic teachers our heaters had a ceramic teachers our heaters had a ceramic teachers our heaters because back then everyone was using because back then everyone was using because back then everyone was using ceramic it was sort of the latest thing ceramic it was sort of the latest thing ceramic it was sort of the latest thing and everyone thought it was great and and everyone thought it was great and and everyone thought it was great and then what came probably five six years then what came probably five six years then what came probably five six years ago was common so carbon is basically ago was common so carbon is basically ago was common so carbon is basically carbon powder that is sort of being put carbon powder that is sort of being put carbon powder that is sort of being put on a plate so it's similar to you know a on a plate so it's similar to you know a on a plate so it's similar to you know a piece of paper just obviously a lot piece of paper just obviously a lot piece of paper just obviously a lot bigger and you put electricity in and
49:00bigger and you put electricity in and bigger and you put electricity in and gradually it heats up because the plate gradually it heats up because the plate gradually it heats up because the plate is not as concentrated as ceramic and is not as concentrated as ceramic and is not as concentrated as ceramic and this heat is more gentle it's you know this heat is more gentle it's you know this heat is more gentle it's you know it's it's more evenly distributed I it's it's more evenly distributed I it's it's more evenly distributed I guess across applied so if you're guess across applied so if you're guess across applied so if you're sitting in front of it you have sort of sitting in front of it you have sort of sitting in front of it you have sort of an even heat exposure not very centered an even heat exposure not very centered an even heat exposure not very centered and then you have various other things and then you have various other things and then you have various other things people say magnesium which is you know people say magnesium which is you know people say magnesium which is you know very similar to to ceramic it's a thin very similar to to ceramic it's a thin very similar to to ceramic it's a thin rod that actually starts glowing you rod that actually starts glowing you rod that actually starts glowing you have LEDs versus halogen so it opens up have LEDs versus halogen so it opens up have LEDs versus halogen so it opens up this whole cosmos off of different this whole cosmos off of different this whole cosmos off of different material everything used and what we've material everything used and what we've material everything used and what we've developed ten years ago was actually a developed ten years ago was actually a developed ten years ago was actually a unique a combination of carbon and unique a combination of carbon and unique a combination of carbon and ceramic because obviously we didn't want ceramic because obviously we didn't want ceramic because obviously we didn't want to ensure that this one eye gets hot to ensure that this one eye gets hot to ensure that this one eye gets hot enough using this you know ceramic but enough using this you know ceramic but enough using this you know ceramic but we also want to turn sure that it has we also want to turn sure that it has we also want to turn sure that it has evenly distributed heat that is being evenly distributed heat that is being evenly distributed heat that is being absorbed nicely by the human body we absorbed nicely by the human body we absorbed nicely by the human body we spoke about this nine point four microns spoke about this nine point four microns spoke about this nine point four microns yeah which is a frequency that the human yeah which is a frequency that the human yeah which is a frequency that the human body has and we wanted to generate that body has and we wanted to generate that body has and we wanted to generate that and you know in terms of calculating and you know in terms of calculating and you know in terms of calculating that the surface temperature of the
50:00that the surface temperature of the that the surface temperature of the heater determines the frequency of the heater determines the frequency of the heater determines the frequency of the infrared that is being exposed so infrared that is being exposed so infrared that is being exposed so therefore a ceramic heater that runs therefore a ceramic heater that runs therefore a ceramic heater that runs really really hot really really hot really really hot it probably has only a fraction of the it probably has only a fraction of the it probably has only a fraction of the fan Fred and probably goes more into fan Fred and probably goes more into fan Fred and probably goes more into middle on the infrared because it's more middle on the infrared because it's more middle on the infrared because it's more intense there for around a couple of intense there for around a couple of intense there for around a couple of years ago we developed this unique years ago we developed this unique years ago we developed this unique combination we call it the true wave combination we call it the true wave combination we call it the true wave it's a marketing name but it basically it's a marketing name but it basically it's a marketing name but it basically is a combination of carbon and ceramic is a combination of carbon and ceramic is a combination of carbon and ceramic so you take a carbon plate you spray so you take a carbon plate you spray so you take a carbon plate you spray ceramic powder in just so that it ceramic powder in just so that it ceramic powder in just so that it actually conducts heat a lot better and actually conducts heat a lot better and actually conducts heat a lot better and this is our heater which is now I think this is our heater which is now I think this is our heater which is now I think in the eighth generation has a pattern in the eighth generation has a pattern in the eighth generation has a pattern because of electromagnetic because of electromagnetic because of electromagnetic reductions that was actually implemented reductions that was actually implemented reductions that was actually implemented but part of our ethos is clear light is but part of our ethos is clear light is but part of our ethos is clear light is that it's not enough to just have a that it's not enough to just have a that it's not enough to just have a topical or like a spot treatment of an topical or like a spot treatment of an topical or like a spot treatment of an infrared sort of it's a whole body infrared sort of it's a whole body infrared sort of it's a whole body treatment treatment treatment which is why when you look in our cabins which is why when you look in our cabins which is why when you look in our cabins you have a 360 heater placement office you have a 360 heater placement office you have a 360 heater placement office one I say all around you the leg you one I say all around you the leg you one I say all around you the leg you know upper body left side right side know upper body left side right side know upper body left side right side through the front up until shoulder through the front up until shoulder through the front up until shoulder height because you know heat on the head
51:00height because you know heat on the head height because you know heat on the head itself can cause stress you know it's itself can cause stress you know it's itself can cause stress you know it's from are you later but also I think most from are you later but also I think most from are you later but also I think most people know that if ya if you had is people know that if ya if you had is people know that if ya if you had is really hot you actually get headaches really hot you actually get headaches really hot you actually get headaches and the feel you feel dizzy and stressed and the feel you feel dizzy and stressed and the feel you feel dizzy and stressed and that's why we've positioned our and that's why we've positioned our and that's why we've positioned our heaters up to shoulder height maximum heaters up to shoulder height maximum heaters up to shoulder height maximum all around you to really ensure like a all around you to really ensure like a all around you to really ensure like a full-body infrared experience amazing full-body infrared experience amazing full-body infrared experience amazing the hypoallergenic wood first off the hypoallergenic wood first off the hypoallergenic wood first off clearly is it how I bother Jenna good clearly is it how I bother Jenna good clearly is it how I bother Jenna good yeah we have we've three different ones yeah we have we've three different ones yeah we have we've three different ones we have Nordic spruce and password which we have Nordic spruce and password which we have Nordic spruce and password which are hypoallergenic words but we also are hypoallergenic words but we also are hypoallergenic words but we also have cedar which is antibacterial and have cedar which is antibacterial and have cedar which is antibacterial and antifungal but you know if someone has antifungal but you know if someone has antifungal but you know if someone has an allergy toward they're more likely to an allergy toward they're more likely to an allergy toward they're more likely to get it from cedar yeah got it so it's get it from cedar yeah got it so it's get it from cedar yeah got it so it's it's got that more masculine sort of it's got that more masculine sort of it's got that more masculine sort of musky ron burgundy smell big that way musky ron burgundy smell big that way musky ron burgundy smell big that way yeah exactly yeah which is beautiful yeah exactly yeah which is beautiful yeah exactly yeah which is beautiful most people love it for these reasons most people love it for these reasons most people love it for these reasons right but yeah if you just want to just right but yeah if you just want to just right but yeah if you just want to just want to double check em there's probably want to double check em there's probably want to double check em there's probably safest to get it happen at anyone okay safest to get it happen at anyone okay safest to get it happen at anyone okay okay now let's go down the EMF wormhole
52:00okay now let's go down the EMF wormhole okay now let's go down the EMF wormhole because there are other companies out because there are other companies out because there are other companies out there that don't necessarily measure there that don't necessarily measure there that don't necessarily measure this very well and as a result you can this very well and as a result you can this very well and as a result you can while doing yours body good you can while doing yours body good you can while doing yours body good you can actually be doing it a little bit of actually be doing it a little bit of actually be doing it a little bit of harm as well how do you guys look at EMF harm as well how do you guys look at EMF harm as well how do you guys look at EMF slash EMR in your product yeah I mean I slash EMR in your product yeah I mean I slash EMR in your product yeah I mean I think it's it's it's a major it's a think it's it's it's a major it's a think it's it's it's a major it's a major importance because it's it's major importance because it's it's major importance because it's it's pretty much everywhere you know similar pretty much everywhere you know similar pretty much everywhere you know similar to if it were toxins everywhere you have to if it were toxins everywhere you have to if it were toxins everywhere you have Salinas right yeah you have this fight Salinas right yeah you have this fight Salinas right yeah you have this fight 5g stuff that's happening at the moment 5g stuff that's happening at the moment 5g stuff that's happening at the moment which is scary and obviously if you look which is scary and obviously if you look which is scary and obviously if you look at the way and infrared sauna works is at the way and infrared sauna works is at the way and infrared sauna works is well you know you have you have a room well you know you have you have a room well you know you have you have a room like a closet or like a nice looking like a closet or like a nice looking like a closet or like a nice looking closet pretty much and yeah if heat is closet pretty much and yeah if heat is closet pretty much and yeah if heat is not around here right talking talked not around here right talking talked not around here right talking talked about the benefits of having that but it about the benefits of having that but it about the benefits of having that but it also means that there's electricity also means that there's electricity also means that there's electricity running or ranty and for every 1 instead running or ranty and for every 1 instead running or ranty and for every 1 instead of has looked into EMF and e.l.f of has looked into EMF and e.l.f of has looked into EMF and e.l.f yeah EMF stands for electromagnetic yeah EMF stands for electromagnetic yeah EMF stands for electromagnetic frequencies which is
53:00frequencies which is frequencies which is electromagnetic field that actually electromagnetic field that actually electromagnetic field that actually builds up whenever a current or builds up whenever a current or builds up whenever a current or electricity is sort of running and if electricity is sort of running and if electricity is sort of running and if you have to see this all around you well you have to see this all around you well you have to see this all around you well it's pretty scary because you don't want it's pretty scary because you don't want it's pretty scary because you don't want to expose yourself to these high levels to expose yourself to these high levels to expose yourself to these high levels of radiation if you actually want to of radiation if you actually want to of radiation if you actually want to detoxify and destress relax bobbing in detoxify and destress relax bobbing in detoxify and destress relax bobbing in the sauna right and I think that's the sauna right and I think that's the sauna right and I think that's that's of major importance which is why that's of major importance which is why that's of major importance which is why I think this whole industry now claims I think this whole industry now claims I think this whole industry now claims to have low EMF he does all oh yeah to have low EMF he does all oh yeah to have low EMF he does all oh yeah Matt's honest which is probably true for Matt's honest which is probably true for Matt's honest which is probably true for some of them but I think around 10 years some of them but I think around 10 years some of them but I think around 10 years ago actually started developing the ago actually started developing the ago actually started developing the heater that we did and part of this heater that we did and part of this heater that we did and part of this innovation that we actually brought to innovation that we actually brought to innovation that we actually brought to the table most of the materials that I the table most of the materials that I the table most of the materials that I spoke to her but also the fact that this spoke to her but also the fact that this spoke to her but also the fact that this heater itself has actually two sides so heater itself has actually two sides so heater itself has actually two sides so for anyone who sort of remembers physics for anyone who sort of remembers physics for anyone who sort of remembers physics you could actually neutralize an you could actually neutralize an you could actually neutralize an electromagnetic field if you have an electromagnetic field if you have an electromagnetic field if you have an electric magnetic field in the opposite electric magnetic field in the opposite electric magnetic field in the opposite direction right kind of if you look at direction right kind of if you look at direction right kind of if you look at the heater here and you know that the heater here and you know that the heater here and you know that electricity runs from here to there well
54:00electricity runs from here to there well electricity runs from here to there well on the backside of a heater there's a on the backside of a heater there's a on the backside of a heater there's a heater the other way around with heater the other way around with heater the other way around with electricity flowing the other way so electricity flowing the other way so electricity flowing the other way so that these electromagnetic fields that these electromagnetic fields that these electromagnetic fields neutralize each other and that I serve neutralize each other and that I serve neutralize each other and that I serve is quite simple but is also quite is quite simple but is also quite is quite simple but is also quite groundbreaking because it completely groundbreaking because it completely groundbreaking because it completely takes the EMF topic off the table which takes the EMF topic off the table which takes the EMF topic off the table which is why I think when you take a Gauss is why I think when you take a Gauss is why I think when you take a Gauss meter which is the device that is you meter which is the device that is you meter which is the device that is you know that you would use to measure that know that you would use to measure that know that you would use to measure that the maximum spot readings that you would the maximum spot readings that you would the maximum spot readings that you would find on the heat directly are probably find on the heat directly are probably find on the heat directly are probably zero zero point five to one Milligan's zero zero point five to one Milligan's zero zero point five to one Milligan's and that's for the farm fret he did and and that's for the farm fret he did and and that's for the farm fret he did and where you're actually sitting we say where you're actually sitting we say where you're actually sitting we say it's a virtually zero mfana because it's a virtually zero mfana because it's a virtually zero mfana because where you're sitting you don't have any where you're sitting you don't have any where you're sitting you don't have any electromagnetic field radiation that's electromagnetic field radiation that's electromagnetic field radiation that's amazing really wild it's pretty cool amazing really wild it's pretty cool amazing really wild it's pretty cool when I guess there's maybe to put that when I guess there's maybe to put that when I guess there's maybe to put that into a few comparisons and terms for into a few comparisons and terms for into a few comparisons and terms for numbers the World Health Organization numbers the World Health Organization numbers the World Health Organization has defined the threshold of concern has defined the threshold of concern has defined the threshold of concern everything above three milli Gallus so everything above three milli Gallus so everything above three milli Gallus so everything above that you know you everything above that you know you everything above that you know you should sort of try to not expose should sort of try to not expose should sort of try to not expose yourself too much too often some other yourself too much too often some other yourself too much too often some other minutes or no manufacturers and what
55:00minutes or no manufacturers and what minutes or no manufacturers and what I've personally measured was ways above I've personally measured was ways above I've personally measured was ways above hundred milli goes right so that's 30 hundred milli goes right so that's 30 hundred milli goes right so that's 30 times of what's actually recommended by times of what's actually recommended by times of what's actually recommended by that w-h-o and if the World Health that w-h-o and if the World Health that w-h-o and if the World Health Organization actually has something on Organization actually has something on Organization actually has something on that well then he can be pretty that well then he can be pretty that well then he can be pretty sure that it's not just a hoax anymore sure that it's not just a hoax anymore sure that it's not just a hoax anymore you know like they they're rather you know like they they're rather you know like they they're rather slow-moving body but a very report on slow-moving body but a very report on slow-moving body but a very report on that then something got to be true here that then something got to be true here that then something got to be true here we should start time people what's on we should start time people what's on we should start time people what's on their cell phones big time hey yeah I their cell phones big time hey yeah I their cell phones big time hey yeah I think the other one is in terms of think the other one is in terms of think the other one is in terms of radiation while I'm just on that you radiation while I'm just on that you radiation while I'm just on that you know what we call yellow of extremely know what we call yellow of extremely know what we call yellow of extremely low frequencies or high you know high low frequencies or high you know high low frequencies or high you know high radiation which is emitted from radiation which is emitted from radiation which is emitted from Bluetooth and Wi-Fi this is obviously Bluetooth and Wi-Fi this is obviously Bluetooth and Wi-Fi this is obviously also of concern so LF is basically an also of concern so LF is basically an also of concern so LF is basically an electric field slightly different to electric field slightly different to electric field slightly different to electromagnetic fields and himself you electromagnetic fields and himself you electromagnetic fields and himself you know it's being has being created and know it's being has being created and know it's being has being created and the effects you know the effects on the the effects you know the effects on the the effects you know the effects on the human body are not as thoroughly human body are not as thoroughly human body are not as thoroughly researched as EMF but it's it's all it researched as EMF but it's it's all it researched as EMF but it's it's all it follows the same analogy which is if you
56:00follows the same analogy which is if you follows the same analogy which is if you have high electricity have high electricity have high electricity you also have in high electric fields you also have in high electric fields you also have in high electric fields and therefore I think we're the only and therefore I think we're the only and therefore I think we're the only manufacturer at the moment you actually manufacturer at the moment you actually manufacturer at the moment you actually has done something about it that's what has done something about it that's what has done something about it that's what we call us well as low ILF sona's we call us well as low ILF sona's we call us well as low ILF sona's because every heater has its grounding because every heater has its grounding because every heater has its grounding wire wire wire you know the wires are twisted we use you know the wires are twisted we use you know the wires are twisted we use conduit wiring in order to reducing the conduit wiring in order to reducing the conduit wiring in order to reducing the the extremely low frequency field which the extremely low frequency field which the extremely low frequency field which i think is substantial in order to i think is substantial in order to i think is substantial in order to really ensure that your sonís actually a really ensure that your sonís actually a really ensure that your sonís actually a safe space because you know and i've you safe space because you know and i've you safe space because you know and i've you can just measure it you can just by a can just measure it you can just by a can just measure it you can just by a guy was made her probably for 30-40 euro guy was made her probably for 30-40 euro guy was made her probably for 30-40 euro dollars on amazon she's measure it up dollars on amazon she's measure it up dollars on amazon she's measure it up and actually see whether you're sort of and actually see whether you're sort of and actually see whether you're sort of you know that you ford is safe or not you know that you ford is safe or not you know that you ford is safe or not because if it you know if it has high because if it you know if it has high because if it you know if it has high levels then you know didn't have to levels then you know didn't have to levels then you know didn't have to necessarily get rid of it but just be a necessarily get rid of it but just be a necessarily get rid of it but just be a little bit more aware of that and see little bit more aware of that and see little bit more aware of that and see whether you can maybe get like a you whether you can maybe get like a you whether you can maybe get like a you know a building expert in who might be know a building expert in who might be know a building expert in who might be able to reduce it or you might have to able to reduce it or you might have to able to reduce it or you might have to reinvest one yeah amazing amazing hey reinvest one yeah amazing amazing hey reinvest one yeah amazing amazing hey you guys are really seen a near infrared you guys are really seen a near infrared you guys are really seen a near infrared add-on soon right you talk a little bit add-on soon right you talk a little bit add-on soon right you talk a little bit about that yeah so the full spectrum
57:00about that yeah so the full spectrum about that yeah so the full spectrum range and all the other ones have range and all the other ones have range and all the other ones have actually Amy and Fred we call it a full actually Amy and Fred we call it a full actually Amy and Fred we call it a full spectrum heater so this heater already spectrum heater so this heater already spectrum heater so this heater already has in the middle and fine for it and has in the middle and fine for it and has in the middle and fine for it and one heat hurts a very intense unit I one heat hurts a very intense unit I one heat hurts a very intense unit I think what you're referring to is a yen think what you're referring to is a yen think what you're referring to is a yen for red red light therapy I always like for red red light therapy I always like for red red light therapy I always like to spell it out because I think it's so to spell it out because I think it's so to spell it out because I think it's so confusing with the different types of confusing with the different types of confusing with the different types of you know light and it for air very true you know light and it for air very true you know light and it for air very true yeah so yeah that's there's actually yeah so yeah that's there's actually yeah so yeah that's there's actually launched in the ass and we're just launched in the ass and we're just launched in the ass and we're just getting the first prototypes for Europe getting the first prototypes for Europe getting the first prototypes for Europe and Australia which is where and Australia which is where and Australia which is where sort of what our main market activities sort of what our main market activities sort of what our main market activities are about the effect that you are are about the effect that you are are about the effect that you are actually using with this new device is actually using with this new device is actually using with this new device is called photobiomodulation which called photobiomodulation which called photobiomodulation which increases the ATP production inside your increases the ATP production inside your increases the ATP production inside your cells have basically charges yourselves cells have basically charges yourselves cells have basically charges yourselves and this you know it's not a gimmick and this you know it's not a gimmick and this you know it's not a gimmick treatment or anything I think they're treatment or anything I think they're treatment or anything I think they're more than 500 or 600 studies out there more than 500 or 600 studies out there more than 500 or 600 studies out there that really sure that this stuff works that really sure that this stuff works that really sure that this stuff works for muscle recovery thyroid activation for muscle recovery thyroid activation for muscle recovery thyroid activation anti-aging you know men in their 40 50 anti-aging you know men in their 40 50 anti-aging you know men in their 40 50 60 s we have you know slowed down 60 s we have you know slowed down 60 s we have you know slowed down testosterone production you know for
58:00testosterone production you know for testosterone production you know for them it really works quite quite them it really works quite quite them it really works quite quite effectively and I think overall with the effectively and I think overall with the effectively and I think overall with the approach that we're taking we're trying approach that we're taking we're trying approach that we're taking we're trying to make this Warner your health space is to make this Warner your health space is to make this Warner your health space is not just a store anymore but it allows not just a store anymore but it allows not just a store anymore but it allows you to combine different health you to combine different health you to combine different health treatments into one device you know treatments into one device you know treatments into one device you know whether you want to meditate while whether you want to meditate while whether you want to meditate while goodness in this one or whether you want goodness in this one or whether you want goodness in this one or whether you want to work on this red light me and Freret to work on this red light me and Freret to work on this red light me and Freret therapy and working photobiomodulation therapy and working photobiomodulation therapy and working photobiomodulation you know we're bringing out a salt you know we're bringing out a salt you know we're bringing out a salt add-on that sort of you know grinds done add-on that sort of you know grinds done add-on that sort of you know grinds done them sold into really fine particles in them sold into really fine particles in them sold into really fine particles in order to be you know I guess in order order to be you know I guess in order order to be you know I guess in order for you to breathe them in a sort of for you to breathe them in a sort of for you to breathe them in a sort of work on your lung health right and I work on your lung health right and I work on your lung health right and I think you can spin this endlessly when think you can spin this endlessly when think you can spin this endlessly when you think about Synod synergetic effects you think about Synod synergetic effects you think about Synod synergetic effects in your sauna and just you know really in your sauna and just you know really in your sauna and just you know really making this your number one priority for making this your number one priority for making this your number one priority for your health now vitamin D and drowning your health now vitamin D and drowning your health now vitamin D and drowning is important like you know interests is important like you know interests is important like you know interests them sort of you know for people not to them sort of you know for people not to them sort of you know for people not to do ours anymore but if you can think do ours anymore but if you can think do ours anymore but if you can think about the synergies that you've had with about the synergies that you've had with about the synergies that you've had with a smartphone you know tablet and notes a smartphone you know tablet and notes a smartphone you know tablet and notes action email and stuff it's pretty action email and stuff it's pretty action email and stuff it's pretty powerful and I think that's sort of our powerful and I think that's sort of our powerful and I think that's sort of our approach at the moment is like how can
59:00approach at the moment is like how can approach at the moment is like how can we actually bring more people and more we actually bring more people and more we actually bring more people and more value to the people that use a sauna and value to the people that use a sauna and value to the people that use a sauna and sort of really want to do something on sort of really want to do something on sort of really want to do something on your health without having to go to the your health without having to go to the your health without having to go to the gym then the sauna and the massage and gym then the sauna and the massage and gym then the sauna and the massage and the meditation sort of bringing it all the meditation sort of bringing it all the meditation sort of bringing it all together the sauna is your health space together the sauna is your health space together the sauna is your health space I think that's a brilliant place to I think that's a brilliant place to I think that's a brilliant place to leave off and transition more into those leave off and transition more into those leave off and transition more into those those final six rapid-fire questions those final six rapid-fire questions those final six rapid-fire questions johannes great i mean look the first one johannes great i mean look the first one johannes great i mean look the first one this is just like a softball for you how this is just like a softball for you how this is just like a softball for you how do you unwind do you unwind do you unwind for me it's actually cooking some Henry for me it's actually cooking some Henry for me it's actually cooking some Henry I really like this ritual of taking time I really like this ritual of taking time I really like this ritual of taking time to prepare my food and yoga big advocate to prepare my food and yoga big advocate to prepare my food and yoga big advocate of yoga excellent what kind of yoga yin of yoga excellent what kind of yoga yin of yoga excellent what kind of yoga yin yoga doing my training on this year so yoga doing my training on this year so yoga doing my training on this year so and I think in some way it's more it's and I think in some way it's more it's and I think in some way it's more it's also meditation as well right so it's a also meditation as well right so it's a also meditation as well right so it's a yoga practice it's not a complete yoga yoga practice it's not a complete yoga yoga practice it's not a complete yoga practice because you need that young practice because you need that young practice because you need that young element and that it's I I've heard this
1:00element and that it's I I've heard this element and that it's I I've heard this quote that says Yin as medicine for the quote that says Yin as medicine for the quote that says Yin as medicine for the modern world yeah I liking a lot as well modern world yeah I liking a lot as well modern world yeah I liking a lot as well just the fact that he could hold poses just the fact that he could hold poses just the fact that he could hold poses for minutes on end is amazing for minutes on end is amazing for minutes on end is amazing yep again favorite piece of technology yep again favorite piece of technology yep again favorite piece of technology which you purchased in the past year which you purchased in the past year which you purchased in the past year well I haven't purchased the red light well I haven't purchased the red light well I haven't purchased the red light therapy but I think that comes pretty therapy but I think that comes pretty therapy but I think that comes pretty close to that alternatively I would call close to that alternatively I would call close to that alternatively I would call my aura ring okay what book has my aura ring okay what book has my aura ring okay what book has significantly impacted you and your high significantly impacted you and your high significantly impacted you and your high shope to performing your life really shope to performing your life really shope to performing your life really good question good question good question there quite a few actually I think a there quite a few actually I think a there quite a few actually I think a couple of years ago it was certainly it couple of years ago it was certainly it couple of years ago it was certainly it was certainly I was his name again Jimin was certainly I was his name again Jimin was certainly I was his name again Jimin Jimin also living in Canada very big on Jimin also living in Canada very big on Jimin also living in Canada very big on spiritual books oh you know throw out spiritual books oh you know throw out spiritual books oh you know throw out there that I'm not somebody I'm not there that I'm not somebody I'm not there that I'm not somebody I'm not gonna know yeah yeah yeah power off now gonna know yeah yeah yeah power off now gonna know yeah yeah yeah power off now that was it the power I cartelli I got
1:01that was it the power I cartelli I got that was it the power I cartelli I got Holly I think that was certainly for me Holly I think that was certainly for me Holly I think that was certainly for me my spiritual awakening and then I think my spiritual awakening and then I think my spiritual awakening and then I think the other one was from Mark Manson this the other one was from Mark Manson this the other one was from Mark Manson this had a lot of not giving effect yeah love had a lot of not giving effect yeah love had a lot of not giving effect yeah love those dreams yeah both interesting those dreams yeah both interesting those dreams yeah both interesting approaches to a similar goal yeah approaches to a similar goal yeah approaches to a similar goal yeah favorite holiday or vacation destination favorite holiday or vacation destination favorite holiday or vacation destination I would probably spend a lot of time in I would probably spend a lot of time in I would probably spend a lot of time in Australia I do and I think it always it Australia I do and I think it always it Australia I do and I think it always it always you know really gets me down like always you know really gets me down like always you know really gets me down like this really grounds me if it's gonna be this really grounds me if it's gonna be this really grounds me if it's gonna be Australia or South Africa yeah yeah and Australia or South Africa yeah yeah and Australia or South Africa yeah yeah and then everything without some water and then everything without some water and then everything without some water and just easygoing right that's probably just easygoing right that's probably just easygoing right that's probably distracted me yeah you and I live in distracted me yeah you and I live in distracted me yeah you and I live in this part of the world where no I'm this part of the world where no I'm this part of the world where no I'm gonna stop me let's just just add gonna stop me let's just just add gonna stop me let's just just add sliding further sliding further sliding further one third what is it five six the year one third what is it five six the year one third what is it five six the year it's good but okay what's your best it's good but okay what's your best it's good but okay what's your best trick for enhancing your productivity trick for enhancing your productivity trick for enhancing your productivity [Music] [Music] have you heard of the Pomodoro Technique
1:02have you heard of the Pomodoro Technique have you heard of the Pomodoro Technique yeah well yeah yeah I think that's yeah well yeah yeah I think that's yeah well yeah yeah I think that's certainly for me I get such a busy job certainly for me I get such a busy job certainly for me I get such a busy job with all these people management with all these people management with all these people management notifications what's a phone call Skype notifications what's a phone call Skype notifications what's a phone call Skype that if I don't limit myself to you know that if I don't limit myself to you know that if I don't limit myself to you know it's to these different notifications it's to these different notifications it's to these different notifications and notifications and just rushing and notifications and just rushing and notifications and just rushing through the day I end up feeling through the day I end up feeling through the day I end up feeling exhausted because I haven't done any exhausted because I haven't done any exhausted because I haven't done any proactive work proactive work proactive work therefore I just have to reduce my therefore I just have to reduce my therefore I just have to reduce my exposure to being pulled in two exposure to being pulled in two exposure to being pulled in two different directions different directions different directions so therefore yeah definitely Pomodoro so therefore yeah definitely Pomodoro so therefore yeah definitely Pomodoro Technique excellent and where can people Technique excellent and where can people Technique excellent and where can people find out more about you we are actually find out more about you we are actually find out more about you we are actually online I mean various platforms I think online I mean various platforms I think online I mean various platforms I think LinkedIn is certainly one we get the LinkedIn is certainly one we get the LinkedIn is certainly one we get the websites of the running for a UK Europe websites of the running for a UK Europe websites of the running for a UK Europe Germany Australia New Zealand and I Germany Australia New Zealand and I Germany Australia New Zealand and I think the next big fun project is gonna think the next big fun project is gonna think the next big fun project is gonna be the sauna show podcast which we're be the sauna show podcast which we're be the sauna show podcast which we're launching very shortly so boom some geo launching very shortly so boom some geo launching very shortly so boom some geo podcasts the marine boy that one exactly podcasts the marine boy that one exactly podcasts the marine boy that one exactly because we've just figured there's no because we've just figured there's no because we've just figured there's no one really you know in that space I mean
1:03one really you know in that space I mean one really you know in that space I mean render Patrick is and she's amazing so render Patrick is and she's amazing so render Patrick is and she's amazing so one of the goals would certainly to be one of the goals would certainly to be one of the goals would certainly to be to get her on the podcast conversing to get her on the podcast conversing to get her on the podcast conversing generally this topic and as we you know generally this topic and as we you know generally this topic and as we you know the journey that we've had was really the journey that we've had was really the journey that we've had was really highlighting that there's a lot of highlighting that there's a lot of highlighting that there's a lot of research to be done and a lot of really research to be done and a lot of really research to be done and a lot of really smart people to be interviewed on that smart people to be interviewed on that smart people to be interviewed on that topic and there's certainly like this is topic and there's certainly like this is topic and there's certainly like this is where I find n of one experimentation to where I find n of one experimentation to where I find n of one experimentation to be very interesting there's a lot of be very interesting there's a lot of be very interesting there's a lot of people doing some fascinating stuff out people doing some fascinating stuff out people doing some fascinating stuff out there that I kind of look at and say there that I kind of look at and say there that I kind of look at and say like okay you know maybe 20% of the time like okay you know maybe 20% of the time like okay you know maybe 20% of the time it looks like something that could it looks like something that could it looks like something that could actually work but it's worth checking actually work but it's worth checking actually work but it's worth checking out hi grace awesome run so the show out hi grace awesome run so the show out hi grace awesome run so the show notes for this one guys are gonna be a notes for this one guys are gonna be a notes for this one guys are gonna be a decoding superhuman calm slash clear decoding superhuman calm slash clear decoding superhuman calm slash clear light yo.hannes my friend it's fun and light yo.hannes my friend it's fun and light yo.hannes my friend it's fun and to get to record with you and I look to get to record with you and I look to get to record with you and I look forward to doing it soon in the future forward to doing it soon in the future forward to doing it soon in the future yay thank you so much for having me yay thank you so much for having me yay thank you so much for having me boomer it's a big pleasure and look boomer it's a big pleasure and look boomer it's a big pleasure and look forward to the future excellent to all forward to the future excellent to all forward to the future excellent to all the superhumans listening out there the superhumans listening out there the superhumans listening out there having absolutely
1:04all right did you guys get something out all right did you guys get something out of that one of that one of that one I love Johannes his engineering I love Johannes his engineering I love Johannes his engineering background because I get to pick his background because I get to pick his background because I get to pick his brain on how the whole EMF situation brain on how the whole EMF situation brain on how the whole EMF situation with clear light specifically works and with clear light specifically works and with clear light specifically works and that to me was one of the key selling that to me was one of the key selling that to me was one of the key selling factors when I looked at it for my factors when I looked at it for my factors when I looked at it for my parents but it's a very different sauna parents but it's a very different sauna parents but it's a very different sauna from some of the other popular ones from some of the other popular ones from some of the other popular ones market out there mainly due to that but market out there mainly due to that but market out there mainly due to that but also because of so many factors that we also because of so many factors that we also because of so many factors that we went into on today's podcast if you want went into on today's podcast if you want went into on today's podcast if you want to check out that sauna you can head on to check out that sauna you can head on to check out that sauna you can head on over to clear light internationals over to clear light internationals website and use the code boomer or website and use the code boomer or website and use the code boomer or discount but if you enjoyed this episode discount but if you enjoyed this episode discount but if you enjoyed this episode if you got anything out of it whether it if you got anything out of it whether it if you got anything out of it whether it be a quote a simple to do something be a quote a simple to do something be a quote a simple to do something useful whether it be about finish saunas useful whether it be about finish saunas useful whether it be about finish saunas etc share it on the social medias and etc share it on the social medias and etc share it on the social medias and tag me at decoding superhuman I love tag me at decoding superhuman I love tag me at decoding superhuman I love hearing from you guys have an absolutely hearing from you guys have an absolutely hearing from you guys have an absolutely epic day you can remember to stop epic day you can remember to stop epic day you can remember to stop [Music]