Full Interview with Chill Dorset Coach Vivienne Bryans
00:00Vian for people who don't know tell them Vian for people who don't know tell them a bit more about chill a bit more about chill a bit more about chill Dorset okay chill Dorset is a hub of Dorset okay chill Dorset is a hub of Dorset okay chill Dorset is a hub of chill UK chill was founded in uh 2020 chill UK chill was founded in uh 2020 chill UK chill was founded in uh 2020 obviously difficult circumstances around obviously difficult circumstances around obviously difficult circumstances around the pandemic by a gentleman called Mike the pandemic by a gentleman called Mike the pandemic by a gentleman called Mike Morris um who's based in Cy in Devon and Morris um who's based in Cy in Devon and Morris um who's based in Cy in Devon and um he identified the fact that people um he identified the fact that people um he identified the fact that people he'd observed were getting benefits from he'd observed were getting benefits from he'd observed were getting benefits from cold water cold water cold water immersion um and then did a bit of immersion um and then did a bit of immersion um and then did a bit of research and then set about establishing research and then set about establishing research and then set about establishing some hubs of which there are around 12 some hubs of which there are around 12 some hubs of which there are around 12 now um from Devon right up to now um from Devon right up to now um from Devon right up to perthshire um so covering you know quite perthshire um so covering you know quite perthshire um so covering you know quite a broad spectrum of the country um and a broad spectrum of the country um and a broad spectrum of the country um and our aim is to offer people an 8 week our aim is to offer people an 8 week our aim is to offer people an 8 week safe introduction to cold water
01:00safe introduction to cold water safe introduction to cold water immersion it started off as being very immersion it started off as being very immersion it started off as being very much focused on um anxiety and much focused on um anxiety and much focused on um anxiety and depression but it's since then grown to depression but it's since then grown to depression but it's since then grown to cover people who are recovering from cover people who are recovering from cover people who are recovering from cancer or have been you know a cancer cancer or have been you know a cancer cancer or have been you know a cancer carer for very many years those with carer for very many years those with carer for very many years those with chronic illnesses often involving chronic illnesses often involving chronic illnesses often involving chronic pain and inflammation such as chronic pain and inflammation such as chronic pain and inflammation such as arthritis Etc but we've had a very broad arthritis Etc but we've had a very broad arthritis Etc but we've had a very broad spectrum of people from people with pdsd spectrum of people from people with pdsd spectrum of people from people with pdsd to to to Parkinson's um we are a nonprofit Parkinson's um we are a nonprofit Parkinson's um we are a nonprofit organization so we're able to offer organization so we're able to offer organization so we're able to offer those places on the course either those places on the course either those places on the course either through self-funding or through self-funding or through self-funding or funding through organizations that we um funding through organizations that we um funding through organizations that we um talk to so at the moment we've got talk to so at the moment we've got talk to so at the moment we've got funding from um McMillan and some funding from um McMillan and some funding from um McMillan and some funding for um mental health conditions funding for um mental health conditions funding for um mental health conditions so it's an nutshell it's an 8-week
02:00so it's an nutshell it's an 8-week so it's an nutshell it's an 8-week course introduction to cold water course introduction to cold water course introduction to cold water immersion covering all the aspects of immersion covering all the aspects of immersion covering all the aspects of being safe in the sea getting in safely being safe in the sea getting in safely being safe in the sea getting in safely getting out getting out getting out safely understanding wind waves Tides uh safely understanding wind waves Tides uh safely understanding wind waves Tides uh rip currents and everything you need to rip currents and everything you need to rip currents and everything you need to know to be a safe user of a body of Open know to be a safe user of a body of Open know to be a safe user of a body of Open Water obviously being based in Dorset Water obviously being based in Dorset Water obviously being based in Dorset that's red dominantly about beaches but that's red dominantly about beaches but that's red dominantly about beaches but some of the other locations are not so some of the other locations are not so some of the other locations are not so much so that maybe locks or lakes or much so that maybe locks or lakes or much so that maybe locks or lakes or places like that um we are also getting places like that um we are also getting places like that um we are also getting involved in a proper um study later this involved in a proper um study later this involved in a proper um study later this year which is really year which is really year which is really exciting um to look at some of the real exciting um to look at some of the real exciting um to look at some of the real health benefits um from a medical health benefits um from a medical health benefits um from a medical perspective of cold water immersion but perspective of cold water immersion but perspective of cold water immersion but through um the many courses that I've through um the many courses that I've through um the many courses that I've helped run now as a coach I've really helped run now as a coach I've really helped run now as a coach I've really seen it make a huge difference to people
03:00seen it make a huge difference to people seen it make a huge difference to people particularly people particularly people particularly people experiencing chronic pain um or very experiencing chronic pain um or very experiencing chronic pain um or very debilitating illnesses and they'll come debilitating illnesses and they'll come debilitating illnesses and they'll come down to the beach looking like they've down to the beach looking like they've down to the beach looking like they've got the weight of the world on their got the weight of the world on their got the weight of the world on their shoulders and leave with a huge shoulders and leave with a huge shoulders and leave with a huge smile haven't got freezing cold so you smile haven't got freezing cold so you smile haven't got freezing cold so you know must something in it wasn't there know must something in it wasn't there know must something in it wasn't there yeah definitely um so you said that yeah definitely um so you said that yeah definitely um so you said that there was there was there was funding um what does that actually pay funding um what does that actually pay funding um what does that actually pay for that pays for um the uh lifeguards for that pays for um the uh lifeguards for that pays for um the uh lifeguards it's a fully lifeguarded course it play it's a fully lifeguarded course it play it's a fully lifeguarded course it play it and it plays for us to be able to run it and it plays for us to be able to run it and it plays for us to be able to run the course obviously the the course is the course obviously the the course is the course obviously the the course is fully insured um we have to have trained fully insured um we have to have trained fully insured um we have to have trained coaches available on the course we have coaches available on the course we have coaches available on the course we have quite a high ratio of coaches and quite a high ratio of coaches and quite a high ratio of coaches and assistance to participants uh and it assistance to participants uh and it assistance to participants uh and it helps us to be able to offer those who helps us to be able to offer those who helps us to be able to offer those who qualify a funded place on the 8we course qualify a funded place on the 8we course qualify a funded place on the 8we course so in other words a free so in other words a free so in other words a free place um um how did you get involved in
04:00place um um how did you get involved in place um um how did you get involved in ch Dorset how did I get involved very ch Dorset how did I get involved very ch Dorset how did I get involved very good question um I moved down to the good question um I moved down to the good question um I moved down to the coast about four and a half years ago um coast about four and a half years ago um coast about four and a half years ago um I've always loved the water but never I've always loved the water but never I've always loved the water but never considered myself to be an Open Water considered myself to be an Open Water considered myself to be an Open Water swimmer um but as a result of my own swimmer um but as a result of my own swimmer um but as a result of my own personal circumstances I got involved in personal circumstances I got involved in personal circumstances I got involved in it um the year after we we moved down um it um the year after we we moved down um it um the year after we we moved down um and met some lovely people through that and met some lovely people through that and met some lovely people through that because you do tend to meet some amazing because you do tend to meet some amazing because you do tend to meet some amazing people when you're in that sort of people when you're in that sort of people when you're in that sort of environment um and then I met um a environment um and then I met um a environment um and then I met um a lovely lady called Joe Cox um who's very lovely lady called Joe Cox um who's very lovely lady called Joe Cox um who's very instrumental in running our Hub in chill instrumental in running our Hub in chill instrumental in running our Hub in chill Dorset um and she had just we were Dorset um and she had just we were Dorset um and she had just we were swimming together we did um a cancer swimming together we did um a cancer swimming together we did um a cancer research fundraiser together uh and then research fundraiser together uh and then research fundraiser together uh and then she told me about chill and she was she told me about chill and she was she told me about chill and she was actually a participant um on the course actually a participant um on the course actually a participant um on the course herself and and as a result of that she
05:00herself and and as a result of that she herself and and as a result of that she became a coach and then she encouraged became a coach and then she encouraged became a coach and then she encouraged me to become a me to become a me to become a coach so it so it went so it went so it coach so it so it went so it went so it coach so it so it went so it went so it went from there really um and I started went from there really um and I started went from there really um and I started off as a volunteer and then last year I off as a volunteer and then last year I off as a volunteer and then last year I went down to um the the main Hub in in went down to um the the main Hub in in went down to um the the main Hub in in Cy in North Devon and got my uh coaches Cy in North Devon and got my uh coaches Cy in North Devon and got my uh coaches qualification and since then I've been qualification and since then I've been qualification and since then I've been um running my own courses which has been um running my own courses which has been um running my own courses which has been brilliant brilliant brilliant from your time as participating and from your time as participating and from your time as participating and coaching what has been like a coaching what has been like a coaching what has been like a really great success story that just really great success story that just really great success story that just gave you the chills that you had gave you the chills that you had gave you the chills that you had participated in that person's success participated in that person's success participated in that person's success story well I think for me personally it story well I think for me personally it story well I think for me personally it helped me manage grief um which was helped me manage grief um which was helped me manage grief um which was actually quite profound I lost my actually quite profound I lost my actually quite profound I lost my brother um to uh um pancreatic cancer at
06:00brother um to uh um pancreatic cancer at brother um to uh um pancreatic cancer at the age of only the age of only the age of only 66 um having also lost another sibling 66 um having also lost another sibling 66 um having also lost another sibling um years earlier to cancer um and I um years earlier to cancer um and I um years earlier to cancer um and I think as a result of lockdown and the think as a result of lockdown and the think as a result of lockdown and the grief and everything I really needed grief and everything I really needed grief and everything I really needed something and found that cold water and something and found that cold water and something and found that cold water and the total way it immerses your body and the total way it immerses your body and the total way it immerses your body and affects your very core you know your affects your very core you know your affects your very core you know your physiology um um cleared my mind and physiology um um cleared my mind and physiology um um cleared my mind and helped me to gain perspective on things helped me to gain perspective on things helped me to gain perspective on things um and also a great deal of enjoyment um and also a great deal of enjoyment um and also a great deal of enjoyment and a lot of wonderful people and then and a lot of wonderful people and then and a lot of wonderful people and then through I wanted to offer something back through I wanted to offer something back through I wanted to offer something back I'm I'm I'm retired so I have more time on my hands retired so I have more time on my hands retired so I have more time on my hands and I thought well how can I get and I thought well how can I get and I thought well how can I get involved in something that's going to involved in something that's going to involved in something that's going to give back to other people and use as a give back to other people and use as a give back to other people and use as a passion skill that I have so I did so I passion skill that I have so I did so I passion skill that I have so I did so I got involved and just seeing the
07:00got involved and just seeing the got involved and just seeing the difference it's made to people has just difference it's made to people has just difference it's made to people has just been phenomenal from them coming down been phenomenal from them coming down been phenomenal from them coming down the first day of the course looking very the first day of the course looking very the first day of the course looking very nervous very anxious um uncomfortable in nervous very anxious um uncomfortable in nervous very anxious um uncomfortable in some cases because it's you know the some cases because it's you know the some cases because it's you know the beach beach beach is quite it's quite a leveler but it's is quite it's quite a leveler but it's is quite it's quite a leveler but it's quite something if you've got anxiety quite something if you've got anxiety quite something if you've got anxiety depression or you're suffering from an depression or you're suffering from an depression or you're suffering from an illness just to get yourself down there illness just to get yourself down there illness just to get yourself down there and and I never underestimate that and and and I never underestimate that and and and I never underestimate that and from that through the eight weeks of you from that through the eight weeks of you from that through the eight weeks of you know a lot of nerves anxiety often tears know a lot of nerves anxiety often tears know a lot of nerves anxiety often tears um and trembling to seeing people at the um and trembling to seeing people at the um and trembling to seeing people at the end of the eight weeks emerging end of the eight weeks emerging end of the eight weeks emerging saying this has made such a difference saying this has made such a difference saying this has made such a difference to me this has G you know in some cases to me this has G you know in some cases to me this has G you know in some cases this has given me my life back this has this has given me my life back this has this has given me my life back this has given me my confidence back I felt given me my confidence back I felt given me my confidence back I felt invisible I thought I'd lost everything invisible I thought I'd lost everything invisible I thought I'd lost everything and now I've got this and I've made and now I've got this and I've made and now I've got this and I've made great friends
08:00great friends great friends and there's nothing more heartwarming and there's nothing more heartwarming and there's nothing more heartwarming for me um than seeing them you know come for me um than seeing them you know come for me um than seeing them you know come down to the postcourse swim group that down to the postcourse swim group that down to the postcourse swim group that we call the chili we call the chili we call the chili Dippers and seeing them go off to beach Dippers and seeing them go off to beach Dippers and seeing them go off to beach saers together and post things about oh saers together and post things about oh saers together and post things about oh so and so and so and so and so and so so and so and so and so and so and so so and so and so and so and so and so meeting today and just remembering what meeting today and just remembering what meeting today and just remembering what they were like when they first came and they were like when they first came and they were like when they first came and just seeing the huge difference beyond just seeing the huge difference beyond just seeing the huge difference beyond what we've helped them to do it's given what we've helped them to do it's given what we've helped them to do it's given to them as an individual and that's just to them as an individual and that's just to them as an individual and that's just marvelous I just I can't marvelous I just I can't marvelous I just I can't underestimate or overestimate it enough underestimate or overestimate it enough underestimate or overestimate it enough it's just amazing to see people giving it's just amazing to see people giving it's just amazing to see people giving themselves permission to do things that themselves permission to do things that themselves permission to do things that they love they love they love again I mean how how lovely is that I again I mean how how lovely is that I again I mean how how lovely is that I think that's so um important certainly think that's so um important certainly think that's so um important certainly in this day and age there's a lot about in this day and age there's a lot about in this day and age there's a lot about um
09:00um um you you can't um hurt yourself on your you you can't um hurt yourself on your you you can't um hurt yourself on your own back um when you've done an own back um when you've done an own back um when you've done an achievement you can't do this you can't achievement you can't do this you can't achievement you can't do this you can't do that oh that's a social fuxa when do that oh that's a social fuxa when do that oh that's a social fuxa when really it's it's not a social fuxa really it's it's not a social fuxa really it's it's not a social fuxa and it it chips away people and it it chips away people and it it chips away people life life can do and having that ability life life can do and having that ability life life can do and having that ability through Seas swim or just in any cold through Seas swim or just in any cold through Seas swim or just in any cold water body of cold water just to have water body of cold water just to have water body of cold water just to have that reset and go that reset and go that reset and go actually I am resilient I can do this actually I am resilient I can do this actually I am resilient I can do this and I'm actually really good at x y and and I'm actually really good at x y and and I'm actually really good at x y and Zed and there is no shame in that and Zed and there is no shame in that and Zed and there is no shame in that and the type of people that gravitate to the type of people that gravitate to the type of people that gravitate to it they're it they're it they're not it's not them not it's not them not it's not them going oh come on you can do it they're
10:00going oh come on you can do it they're going oh come on you can do it they're just like quantifying what you're saying just like quantifying what you're saying just like quantifying what you're saying by going yeah you are and it's it's a by going yeah you are and it's it's a by going yeah you are and it's it's a matter of fact it's not trying matter of fact it's not trying matter of fact it's not trying to um sugarcoat anything they're just to um sugarcoat anything they're just to um sugarcoat anything they're just going yes you are resilient yes you can going yes you are resilient yes you can going yes you are resilient yes you can do it and that can be such a boost I do it and that can be such a boost I do it and that can be such a boost I felt it before and it lasts and that's felt it before and it lasts and that's felt it before and it lasts and that's why everyone keeps goinging backed isn't why everyone keeps goinging backed isn't why everyone keeps goinging backed isn't it absolutely and you know when you've it absolutely and you know when you've it absolutely and you know when you've seen somebody who's seen somebody who's seen somebody who's been so sort of trapped inside been so sort of trapped inside been so sort of trapped inside themselves if you like you know when you themselves if you like you know when you themselves if you like you know when you see people and you think gosh there's an see people and you think gosh there's an see people and you think gosh there's an awful lot going on there and we're very awful lot going on there and we're very awful lot going on there and we're very aware we're coaches we're not counselors aware we're coaches we're not counselors aware we're coaches we're not counselors um we can support and enable but we're um we can support and enable but we're um we can support and enable but we're not there to unpack all the emotional not there to unpack all the emotional not there to unpack all the emotional stuff that often people come with um to stuff that often people come with um to stuff that often people come with um to conquering their fears to getting in conquering their fears to getting in conquering their fears to getting in that water um and I said to a lady from
11:00that water um and I said to a lady from that water um and I said to a lady from um the the last course if you can um the the last course if you can um the the last course if you can conquer the sea in January you can do conquer the sea in January you can do conquer the sea in January you can do anything yeah you can absolutely do anything yeah you can absolutely do anything yeah you can absolutely do anything we had one day where the forast anything we had one day where the forast anything we had one day where the forast looked bad but it actually turned into a looked bad but it actually turned into a looked bad but it actually turned into a blizzard and there we were on the beach blizzard and there we were on the beach blizzard and there we were on the beach with our life God actually Sheltering in with our life God actually Sheltering in with our life God actually Sheltering in my rented Beach CU it was just my rented Beach CU it was just my rented Beach CU it was just unbelievable and and I said to the like unbelievable and and I said to the like unbelievable and and I said to the like God okay we'll take them in and God okay we'll take them in and God okay we'll take them in and individually but do you think it's okay individually but do you think it's okay individually but do you think it's okay he's like yeah we can do this and we did he's like yeah we can do this and we did he's like yeah we can do this and we did and they all got in and they all got out and they all got in and they all got out and they all got in and they all got out again and they just like I can't believe again and they just like I can't believe again and they just like I can't believe it I said well it's just bragging rights it I said well it's just bragging rights it I said well it's just bragging rights forever isn't it really yeah you can do forever isn't it really yeah you can do forever isn't it really yeah you can do that you can do almost anything um and that you can do almost anything um and that you can do almost anything um and you know it's the fact that they it it you know it's the fact that they it it you know it's the fact that they it it kind of switches something back on kind of switches something back on kind of switches something back on inside that isn't just about cold water inside that isn't just about cold water inside that isn't just about cold water and isn't just about swimming it's about and isn't just about swimming it's about and isn't just about swimming it's about self-belief and giving yourself
12:00self-belief and giving yourself self-belief and giving yourself permission to do some sometimes very permission to do some sometimes very permission to do some sometimes very silly but very fun things yeah um and silly but very fun things yeah um and silly but very fun things yeah um and hopefully we you know we equip them with hopefully we you know we equip them with hopefully we you know we equip them with the switch in the brain that says today the switch in the brain that says today the switch in the brain that says today might not be a good day to do it yeah CU might not be a good day to do it yeah CU might not be a good day to do it yeah CU I I I mean the sea as you say is an excellent mean the sea as you say is an excellent mean the sea as you say is an excellent leveler and it's it's one of those leveler and it's it's one of those leveler and it's it's one of those things where you look at it going oh my things where you look at it going oh my things where you look at it going oh my God that is such a stunning site but God that is such a stunning site but God that is such a stunning site but absolutely terrifying in the same breath absolutely terrifying in the same breath absolutely terrifying in the same breath yes so learning that respect for the yes so learning that respect for the yes so learning that respect for the environment I always say that it's you environment I always say that it's you environment I always say that it's you need to respect the environment because need to respect the environment because need to respect the environment because it can quite easily kill you it and and it can quite easily kill you it and and it can quite easily kill you it and and it will the sea is a very tough mistress it will the sea is a very tough mistress it will the sea is a very tough mistress and she will change her and she will change her and she will change her mind sometimes when you're in there it mind sometimes when you're in there it mind sometimes when you're in there it can it can change so you know having a can it can change so you know having a can it can change so you know having a base um of understanding of base um of understanding of base um of understanding of knowledge of listening to your gut you
13:00knowledge of listening to your gut you knowledge of listening to your gut you know looking at the forecasts know looking at the forecasts know looking at the forecasts understanding what that's telling you understanding what that's telling you understanding what that's telling you but then going down there and looking at but then going down there and looking at but then going down there and looking at it and Having the courage to say it it and Having the courage to say it it and Having the courage to say it might be okay for you but it's not okay might be okay for you but it's not okay might be okay for you but it's not okay for me today yeah and giving your self for me today yeah and giving your self for me today yeah and giving your self permission to be in that lovely en permission to be in that lovely en permission to be in that lovely en environment but to be and feel safe yeah environment but to be and feel safe yeah environment but to be and feel safe yeah is so I mean a prominade walk with is so I mean a prominade walk with is so I mean a prominade walk with lovely SE is just as good I think as lovely SE is just as good I think as lovely SE is just as good I think as well being a coffee and a bit of cake or well being a coffee and a bit of cake or well being a coffee and a bit of cake or whatever cake and cake and um and just the companionship you know um and just the companionship you know um and just the companionship you know and that me that's the other thing of and that me that's the other thing of and that me that's the other thing of getting you know people together in in getting you know people together in in getting you know people together in in relatively small groups and you know relatively small groups and you know relatively small groups and you know we've learned that get them to bring we've learned that get them to bring we've learned that get them to bring their chairs get them to sit in a little their chairs get them to sit in a little their chairs get them to sit in a little group and then they start to chat with group and then they start to chat with group and then they start to chat with one one one another what are the group you know another what are the group you know another what are the group you know William what are the group sizes well at William what are the group sizes well at William what are the group sizes well at the moment we're running a group the moment we're running a group the moment we're running a group or nine so I say about eight or nine
14:00or nine so I say about eight or nine or nine so I say about eight or nine people um and on this group we've people um and on this group we've people um and on this group we've actually got two lifeguards because actually got two lifeguards because actually got two lifeguards because we've got one gentleman who's got we've got one gentleman who's got we've got one gentleman who's got Parkinson's who needs a bit of extra um Parkinson's who needs a bit of extra um Parkinson's who needs a bit of extra um Beach entry and exit support um but you Beach entry and exit support um but you Beach entry and exit support um but you know we have quite a high ratio of of know we have quite a high ratio of of know we have quite a high ratio of of coaches and um so one one wonderful coaches and um so one one wonderful coaches and um so one one wonderful volunteers who are mostly ex CH volunteers who are mostly ex CH volunteers who are mostly ex CH participants themselves who just come participants themselves who just come participants themselves who just come along and give of their time um and along and give of their time um and along and give of their time um and somebody did that for me yesterday somebody did that for me yesterday somebody did that for me yesterday because I wasn't able to go yesterday um because I wasn't able to go yesterday um because I wasn't able to go yesterday um so I thought no the beach environment is so I thought no the beach environment is so I thought no the beach environment is just not the place for me right now just not the place for me right now just not the place for me right now because I'm still recovering from this because I'm still recovering from this because I'm still recovering from this but um you know wonderful people around but um you know wonderful people around but um you know wonderful people around who can step up and stand in and help who can step up and stand in and help who can step up and stand in and help out so that the course is still able to out so that the course is still able to out so that the course is still able to run so we've got a great team of people run so we've got a great team of people run so we've got a great team of people around us that you know are happy to do around us that you know are happy to do around us that you know are happy to do that because they themselves have that because they themselves have that because they themselves have experienced the benefits the benefit experienced the benefits the benefit experienced the benefits the benefit that so you said um it is most mostly
15:00that so you said um it is most mostly that so you said um it is most mostly it's in the South but what what is the it's in the South but what what is the it's in the South but what what is the um end go for um chill because there are um end go for um chill because there are um end go for um chill because there are groups out there which which are really groups out there which which are really groups out there which which are really good for building up that Community but good for building up that Community but good for building up that Community but what I really like about chill dorsa is what I really like about chill dorsa is what I really like about chill dorsa is that the knowledge base is there from that the knowledge base is there from that the knowledge base is there from the beginning and you've got that safety the beginning and you've got that safety the beginning and you've got that safety element of having the lifeguards there element of having the lifeguards there element of having the lifeguards there so is it is it going to how does one set so is it is it going to how does one set so is it is it going to how does one set up a chill till um St be say okay so if up a chill till um St be say okay so if up a chill till um St be say okay so if anybody wants to set up the a hub they'd anybody wants to set up the a hub they'd anybody wants to set up the a hub they'd go on to the the chill UK website and go on to the the chill UK website and go on to the the chill UK website and contact uh Mike Morris who's the contact uh Mike Morris who's the contact uh Mike Morris who's the individual that established chill and individual that established chill and individual that established chill and talk about the practicalities of being talk about the practicalities of being talk about the practicalities of being able to do that you know how what kind
16:00able to do that you know how what kind able to do that you know how what kind of spots you have that would enable of spots you have that would enable of spots you have that would enable people people people um with health related issues to get um with health related issues to get um with health related issues to get there so we like to look for spots where there so we like to look for spots where there so we like to look for spots where you know there's parking there's toilets you know there's parking there's toilets you know there's parking there's toilets there's maybe some shelter in in Clement there's maybe some shelter in in Clement there's maybe some shelter in in Clement weather um and relatively easy access to weather um and relatively easy access to weather um and relatively easy access to the beach so not steep slopes steep the beach so not steep slopes steep the beach so not steep slopes steep steps diffic or difficult terrain you steps diffic or difficult terrain you steps diffic or difficult terrain you know if you're talking about um Inland know if you're talking about um Inland know if you're talking about um Inland Lakes Etc um somewhere where it's safe Lakes Etc um somewhere where it's safe Lakes Etc um somewhere where it's safe to get into the water it's safe to exit to get into the water it's safe to exit to get into the water it's safe to exit the water um and then it's it's a the water um and then it's it's a the water um and then it's it's a question of you know um making sure question of you know um making sure question of you know um making sure you've got access to your own lifeguard you've got access to your own lifeguard you've got access to your own lifeguard um you know and you can get that from um you know and you can get that from um you know and you can get that from the local lifeguarding club or get the local lifeguarding club or get the local lifeguarding club or get somebody trained yourself um and then somebody trained yourself um and then somebody trained yourself um and then get the training and the knowledge and get the training and the knowledge and get the training and the knowledge and information um and often support information um and often support information um and often support initially uh to be able to start initially uh to be able to start initially uh to be able to start establishing your own
17:00establishing your own establishing your own group that's how that's how we started group that's how that's how we started group that's how that's how we started uh will Burling who's our Hub leader um uh will Burling who's our Hub leader um uh will Burling who's our Hub leader um who's a a doctor himself um and a an who's a a doctor himself um and a an who's a a doctor himself um and a an open Wy used to he's a wind Surfer with open Wy used to he's a wind Surfer with open Wy used to he's a wind Surfer with world records and all sorts of things um world records and all sorts of things um world records and all sorts of things um so he's an amazing guy but he's a very so he's an amazing guy but he's a very so he's an amazing guy but he's a very busy doctor at the same time he's a busy doctor at the same time he's a busy doctor at the same time he's a consultant consultant consultant pediatrician um so he got to know Mike pediatrician um so he got to know Mike pediatrician um so he got to know Mike and that's how he established our group and that's how he established our group and that's how he established our group and it's become more and more organized and it's become more and more organized and it's become more and more organized and more and more structured as we've and more and more structured as we've and more and more structured as we've gone on um but when I went on my my gone on um but when I went on my my gone on um but when I went on my my course I met two people from percher who course I met two people from percher who course I met two people from percher who were setting up their own group up there were setting up their own group up there were setting up their own group up there um and there are there are about 12 um and there are there are about 12 um and there are there are about 12 different hubs across the country now um different hubs across the country now um different hubs across the country now um and it's a question of thinking well let and it's a question of thinking well let and it's a question of thinking well let me understand this it's always better me understand this it's always better me understand this it's always better and we always recom recommend that and we always recom recommend that and we always recom recommend that people if possible go on a chill course
18:00people if possible go on a chill course people if possible go on a chill course themselves themselves themselves first so you get under the skin of it first so you get under the skin of it first so you get under the skin of it you really understand what it involves you really understand what it involves you really understand what it involves because since becoming a coach I've you because since becoming a coach I've you because since becoming a coach I've you know from being a volunteer before I've know from being a volunteer before I've know from being a volunteer before I've realized just how much is involved in realized just how much is involved in realized just how much is involved in terms of you know doing your own local terms of you know doing your own local terms of you know doing your own local fundraising recruiting your own fundraising recruiting your own fundraising recruiting your own participants qualifying them organizing participants qualifying them organizing participants qualifying them organizing the courses making sure you've got you the courses making sure you've got you the courses making sure you've got you know The Lifeguard support available um know The Lifeguard support available um know The Lifeguard support available um making sure you've got the risk making sure you've got the risk making sure you've got the risk assessment of the local Beach or body of assessment of the local Beach or body of assessment of the local Beach or body of water um and then on a weekly basis water um and then on a weekly basis water um and then on a weekly basis you're having to assess conditions um you're having to assess conditions um you're having to assess conditions um you know because never snow still does you know because never snow still does you know because never snow still does it so that we've had loads of storms it so that we've had loads of storms it so that we've had loads of storms this winter um in the sea and in other this winter um in the sea and in other this winter um in the sea and in other bodies of water there can be bodies of water there can be bodies of water there can be agricultural runoffs spills into the sea agricultural runoffs spills into the sea agricultural runoffs spills into the sea which impact the water quity and when which impact the water quity and when which impact the water quity and when you've got immuno compromised people you
19:00you've got immuno compromised people you you've got immuno compromised people you cannot you cannot take them into water cannot you cannot take them into water cannot you cannot take them into water that you have any doubt might be clean that you have any doubt might be clean that you have any doubt might be clean or not clean um because we just don't or not clean um because we just don't or not clean um because we just don't know what's going into our our waterways know what's going into our our waterways know what's going into our our waterways which is very very sad but it's just a which is very very sad but it's just a which is very very sad but it's just a fact of life and you've just got to be fact of life and you've just got to be fact of life and you've just got to be aware of that so on a weekly basis even aware of that so on a weekly basis even aware of that so on a weekly basis even when you've set up the the course and when you've set up the the course and when you've set up the the course and you've got you've got you've got everybody um organized qualified ready everybody um organized qualified ready everybody um organized qualified ready to come and start the course on a weekly to come and start the course on a weekly to come and start the course on a weekly basis you're constantly assessing you basis you're constantly assessing you basis you're constantly assessing you know is it safe is it is it the right know is it safe is it is it the right know is it safe is it is it the right environment can we hold it where we want environment can we hold it where we want environment can we hold it where we want to or are we going to have to DeCamp to to or are we going to have to DeCamp to to or are we going to have to DeCamp to um one of the hotel swimming pools that um one of the hotel swimming pools that um one of the hotel swimming pools that keep their pools open in the winter now keep their pools open in the winter now keep their pools open in the winter now for specifically for cold water swimmers for specifically for cold water swimmers for specifically for cold water swimmers um and you know take them there so that um and you know take them there so that um and you know take them there so that we can give them the cold water we can give them the cold water we can give them the cold water immersion experience and talk to them immersion experience and talk to them immersion experience and talk to them about that week's subject but there's no about that week's subject but there's no about that week's subject but there's no substitute for actually being able to to substitute for actually being able to to substitute for actually being able to to run it on the beach yeah um so there's
20:00run it on the beach yeah um so there's run it on the beach yeah um so there's you know of course anyone could look you know of course anyone could look you know of course anyone could look into what it takes to start up Hub and into what it takes to start up Hub and into what it takes to start up Hub and there are lots of Stories on the website there are lots of Stories on the website there are lots of Stories on the website about um the different hubs in the about um the different hubs in the about um the different hubs in the different different different locations talk to anybody about it um locations talk to anybody about it um locations talk to anybody about it um and gain the support where possible to and gain the support where possible to and gain the support where possible to to get it established will himself has to get it established will himself has to get it established will himself has helped set up a group at line Regis and helped set up a group at line Regis and helped set up a group at line Regis and is currently um helping a group in the is currently um helping a group in the is currently um helping a group in the Waymouth area to get themselves Waymouth area to get themselves Waymouth area to get themselves established we've now got a group at established we've now got a group at established we've now got a group at branken whereas we started at Avon so branken whereas we started at Avon so branken whereas we started at Avon so we're sort of we're sort of we're sort of growing across Dorset and you know and growing across Dorset and you know and growing across Dorset and you know and the South Coast um which is brilliant the South Coast um which is brilliant the South Coast um which is brilliant it's just making sure that there are it's just making sure that there are it's just making sure that there are more opportunities for people to more opportunities for people to more opportunities for people to participate and we've looked into participate and we've looked into participate and we've looked into perhaps in the summer running an after perhaps in the summer running an after perhaps in the summer running an after work course so that people who are still
21:00work course so that people who are still work course so that people who are still working um can commit to that eight working um can commit to that eight working um can commit to that eight weeks and come along and and get the weeks and come along and and get the weeks and come along and and get the benefits of that and possibly if we need benefits of that and possibly if we need benefits of that and possibly if we need to um an all male group uh we do have to um an all male group uh we do have to um an all male group uh we do have male participants but as you'll be well male participants but as you'll be well male participants but as you'll be well aware um the vast majority of the um aware um the vast majority of the um aware um the vast majority of the um swimming the non-competitive let's put swimming the non-competitive let's put swimming the non-competitive let's put it open water swim community is it open water swim community is it open water swim community is female yeah I'm sure been your female yeah I'm sure been your female yeah I'm sure been your experience too I've only got to look at experience too I've only got to look at experience too I've only got to look at your own lovely videos you know it's your own lovely videos you know it's your own lovely videos you know it's it's mainly women isn't it yeah and it's mainly women isn't it yeah and it's mainly women isn't it yeah and males out there please participate males out there please participate males out there please participate because we will see with open arms because we will see with open arms because we will see with open arms absolutely and you know I'm I'm a member absolutely and you know I'm I'm a member absolutely and you know I'm I'm a member of the local Bluetick groups and we are of the local Bluetick groups and we are of the local Bluetick groups and we are very welcoming to you know anybody very welcoming to you know anybody very welcoming to you know anybody coming along and giving it a try and coming along and giving it a try and coming along and giving it a try and we've been very lucky this current chill we've been very lucky this current chill we've been very lucky this current chill course we've got three guys course we've got three guys course we've got three guys out of the nine we've got three guys
22:00out of the nine we've got three guys out of the nine we've got three guys which is fantastic um and I keep saying which is fantastic um and I keep saying which is fantastic um and I keep saying to them you know talk to the guys that to them you know talk to the guys that to them you know talk to the guys that you know that you feel would benefit you know that you feel would benefit you know that you feel would benefit from this you probably do know people um from this you probably do know people um from this you probably do know people um and we've got you know some regular guys and we've got you know some regular guys and we've got you know some regular guys that come along to our our chili Dippers that come along to our our chili Dippers that come along to our our chili Dippers post course group um so you know it's post course group um so you know it's post course group um so you know it's growing in terms of awareness and growing in terms of awareness and growing in terms of awareness and participation um but some people people participation um but some people people participation um but some people people put you know barriers up themselves and put you know barriers up themselves and put you know barriers up themselves and think oh that's we're just it's just think oh that's we're just it's just think oh that's we're just it's just women that do that and of course as as women that do that and of course as as women that do that and of course as as you know one of your fundamental reasons you know one of your fundamental reasons you know one of your fundamental reasons for developing your changing tube is the for developing your changing tube is the for developing your changing tube is the sort of vulnerability of getting change sort of vulnerability of getting change sort of vulnerability of getting change getting changed and dressed again you getting changed and dressed again you getting changed and dressed again you know that whole of not revealing know that whole of not revealing know that whole of not revealing yourself yourself yourself and some of the guys some of the guys and some of the guys some of the guys and some of the guys some of the guys are very kind of a bit squeamish about are very kind of a bit squeamish about are very kind of a bit squeamish about that I can't you know I can't possibly
23:00that I can't you know I can't possibly that I can't you know I can't possibly stand alongside a whole group of females stand alongside a whole group of females stand alongside a whole group of females and get dressed and undressed they might and get dressed and undressed they might and get dressed and undressed they might think think think I'm there for ulterior motives and you I'm there for ulterior motives and you I'm there for ulterior motives and you mentioned this before it's wrong to do mentioned this before it's wrong to do mentioned this before it's wrong to do this it's wrong to say this it's wrong this it's wrong to say this it's wrong this it's wrong to say this it's wrong to um appear to be behaving in a certain to um appear to be behaving in a certain to um appear to be behaving in a certain way so I think that in itself can be a way so I think that in itself can be a way so I think that in itself can be a bit of a barrier too Jenny yeah and I bit of a barrier too Jenny yeah and I bit of a barrier too Jenny yeah and I mean I I took my cousin standup paddle mean I I took my cousin standup paddle mean I I took my cousin standup paddle board in and when we were getting board in and when we were getting board in and when we were getting changed after he came over and I was changed after he came over and I was changed after he came over and I was like mid changing tube yeah and he said like mid changing tube yeah and he said like mid changing tube yeah and he said I can understand why that's really I can understand why that's really I can understand why that's really useful because I've just Beed my useful because I've just Beed my useful because I've just Beed my backside to the car backside to the car backside to the car park so it's a change of tube is useful park so it's a change of tube is useful park so it's a change of tube is useful for men and women because for men and women because for men and women because yeah some people do say oh everyone's yeah some people do say oh everyone's yeah some people do say oh everyone's got bodies and everyone just just bear got bodies and everyone just just bear got bodies and everyone just just bear all and yeah fine if you're com all and yeah fine if you're com all and yeah fine if you're com but maybe some people Vie
24:00but maybe some people Vie but maybe some people Vie AR so from both sides that yeah modesty AR so from both sides that yeah modesty AR so from both sides that yeah modesty sort of elements but um yeah talking of sort of elements but um yeah talking of sort of elements but um yeah talking of kits what sort of kits should swimmers kits what sort of kits should swimmers kits what sort of kits should swimmers have to start Open Water Swimming safely have to start Open Water Swimming safely have to start Open Water Swimming safely um in in regards to like the um in in regards to like the um in in regards to like the sea well I feel it's really important to sea well I feel it's really important to sea well I feel it's really important to be visible in the sea be visible in the sea be visible in the sea um particularly in the summer even um particularly in the summer even um particularly in the summer even though you know our beaches are though you know our beaches are though you know our beaches are lifeguarded in the summer you've got an lifeguarded in the summer you've got an lifeguarded in the summer you've got an awful lot of water uses so a brightly awful lot of water uses so a brightly awful lot of water uses so a brightly colored swim hat um in sort of bright colored swim hat um in sort of bright colored swim hat um in sort of bright orange lime green very bright pink orange lime green very bright pink orange lime green very bright pink something that doesn't disappear in the something that doesn't disappear in the something that doesn't disappear in the water um a toe float to help you be much water um a toe float to help you be much water um a toe float to help you be much more visible again a brightly colored more visible again a brightly colored more visible again a brightly colored toe float so that at least when you're toe float so that at least when you're toe float so that at least when you're in the water and you're swimming your
25:00in the water and you're swimming your in the water and you're swimming your head and something behind you is visible head and something behind you is visible head and something behind you is visible because I'm sure you've seen it yourself because I'm sure you've seen it yourself because I'm sure you've seen it yourself Jenny um particularly on a choppy day Jenny um particularly on a choppy day Jenny um particularly on a choppy day even in a choppy even in a choppy even in a choppy Lake people disappear they Lake people disappear they Lake people disappear they become I can't tell you how often I see become I can't tell you how often I see become I can't tell you how often I see guys in wet suits with a black swimming guys in wet suits with a black swimming guys in wet suits with a black swimming cap on or a blue swimming cap on um and cap on or a blue swimming cap on um and cap on or a blue swimming cap on um and no toe float and they there they're no toe float and they there they're no toe float and they there they're amazing front gr swimmers they just amazing front gr swimmers they just amazing front gr swimmers they just disappear you know the waves are coming disappear you know the waves are coming disappear you know the waves are coming and going and are they still out are and going and are they still out are and going and are they still out are they still out oh my god there they are they still out oh my god there they are they still out oh my god there they are now you've got to really really look for now you've got to really really look for now you've got to really really look for them and let's face it you've got an them and let's face it you've got an them and let's face it you've got an awful lot of inexperienced water users awful lot of inexperienced water users awful lot of inexperienced water users particularly in the summer people on particularly in the summer people on particularly in the summer people on paddle boards who really aren't very paddle boards who really aren't very paddle boards who really aren't very good at steering them um um people on good at steering them um um people on good at steering them um um people on jet skis that sort you know small jet skis that sort you know small jet skis that sort you know small dingies that sort of thing um you want dingies that sort of thing um you want dingies that sort of thing um you want them to be able to see you you know kite
26:00them to be able to see you you know kite them to be able to see you you know kite Surfers wind Surfers you name it um you Surfers wind Surfers you name it um you Surfers wind Surfers you name it um you want them to be able to see you long want them to be able to see you long want them to be able to see you long before they hit you yeah I was um pzzle before they hit you yeah I was um pzzle before they hit you yeah I was um pzzle boarding on ssw waterer One Summer and boarding on ssw waterer One Summer and boarding on ssw waterer One Summer and it was quite a calm day really hot and I it was quite a calm day really hot and I it was quite a calm day really hot and I actually I actually told off um these actually I actually told off um these actually I actually told off um these boys because there were swimming they boys because there were swimming they boys because there were swimming they didn't have toe floats they didn't have didn't have toe floats they didn't have didn't have toe floats they didn't have hats on and they were getting further hats on and they were getting further hats on and they were getting further and further out into the water and I and further out into the water and I and further out into the water and I puddled over and said you are invisible puddled over and said you are invisible puddled over and said you are invisible there are speed BS out here stay close there are speed BS out here stay close there are speed BS out here stay close to the shore yeah absolutely no I don't to the shore yeah absolutely no I don't to the shore yeah absolutely no I don't well you know you know listen you could well you know you know listen you could well you know you know listen you could save their lives by doing that rather save their lives by doing that rather save their lives by doing that rather have a you know your ear clipped then have a you know your ear clipped then have a you know your ear clipped then you know something terrible happening you know something terrible happening you know something terrible happening which is devastating for them and their which is devastating for them and their which is devastating for them and their families but also for the people the families but also for the people the families but also for the people the other water users too um so we always other water users too um so we always other water users too um so we always talk to people about talk to people about talk to people about being seen and we also talk to people
27:00being seen and we also talk to people being seen and we also talk to people about how you get into the water and how about how you get into the water and how about how you get into the water and how you get out of the water um it's you get out of the water um it's you get out of the water um it's hilarious it's a bit of a sort of sumo hilarious it's a bit of a sort of sumo hilarious it's a bit of a sort of sumo Restless dance so we get people to walk Restless dance so we get people to walk Restless dance so we get people to walk side on into the water because if you side on into the water because if you side on into the water because if you think about your your sort of center of think about your your sort of center of think about your your sort of center of gravity if I'm standing in front of you gravity if I'm standing in front of you gravity if I'm standing in front of you and you push me I'm going to wobble and you push me I'm going to wobble and you push me I'm going to wobble backwards if you stand behind me and you backwards if you stand behind me and you backwards if you stand behind me and you push me I'm going to wobble forward but push me I'm going to wobble forward but push me I'm going to wobble forward but if I'm if I'm turning my side to you and if I'm if I'm turning my side to you and if I'm if I'm turning my side to you and I'm sort of hunkering down you know in a I'm sort of hunkering down you know in a I'm sort of hunkering down you know in a bit of a squat and you push me I've got bit of a squat and you push me I've got bit of a squat and you push me I've got much more of a center of gravity so when much more of a center of gravity so when much more of a center of gravity so when you're entering water that never stops you're entering water that never stops you're entering water that never stops moving on most days and on some days is moving on most days and on some days is moving on most days and on some days is much more much stronger than others you much more much stronger than others you much more much stronger than others you don't want to be pushed over before don't want to be pushed over before don't want to be pushed over before you're deep enough to duck under wave um
28:00you're deep enough to duck under wave um you're deep enough to duck under wave um so it's about understanding the so it's about understanding the so it's about understanding the mechanics of the water the days where it mechanics of the water the days where it mechanics of the water the days where it isn't Just Wind swell that's creating isn't Just Wind swell that's creating isn't Just Wind swell that's creating the waves but it's ground swell which is the waves but it's ground swell which is the waves but it's ground swell which is further apart but much stronger when it further apart but much stronger when it further apart but much stronger when it hits you and certainly not posing for a hits you and certainly not posing for a hits you and certainly not posing for a picture as you're getting out with this picture as you're getting out with this picture as you're getting out with this massive with this massive wave building massive with this massive wave building massive with this massive wave building behind you that you've not bothered to behind you that you've not bothered to behind you that you've not bothered to actually look at um so thinking about actually look at um so thinking about actually look at um so thinking about how you get in and out of the water how you get in and out of the water how you get in and out of the water as a result of all the storms we have as a result of all the storms we have as a result of all the storms we have the beach topography changes so you the beach topography changes so you the beach topography changes so you might encounter a dip as you go in you might encounter a dip as you go in you might encounter a dip as you go in you might encounter some slightly sinking might encounter some slightly sinking might encounter some slightly sinking shingle uh we haven't got mud or shingle uh we haven't got mud or shingle uh we haven't got mud or anything here they have in some other anything here they have in some other anything here they have in some other locations but you know different things locations but you know different things locations but you know different things that destabilize you as you go in we that destabilize you as you go in we that destabilize you as you go in we always recommend water shoes so that always recommend water shoes so that always recommend water shoes so that you're not training on anything nasty you're not training on anything nasty you're not training on anything nasty that's going to injure you or have you that's going to injure you or have you that's going to injure you or have you ever heard of something called a weaver ever heard of something called a weaver ever heard of something called a weaver fish
29:00vaguely yeah do they have their tail vaguely yeah do they have their tail that goes up yeah they l in the shallows that goes up yeah they l in the shallows that goes up yeah they l in the shallows and it's their sort of spine they're and it's their sort of spine they're and it's their sort of spine they're thin that just pokes out and if you thin that just pokes out and if you thin that just pokes out and if you tread on it it will give you something tread on it it will give you something tread on it it will give you something like a really really bad beasting on like a really really bad beasting on like a really really bad beasting on your your your foot which is actually quite foot which is actually quite foot which is actually quite excruciating um and also you know when excruciating um and also you know when excruciating um and also you know when the seabed is changing it's bit like a the seabed is changing it's bit like a the seabed is changing it's bit like a lake bed as well you don't know what lake bed as well you don't know what lake bed as well you don't know what you're treading on do you Sharpstone you're treading on do you Sharpstone you're treading on do you Sharpstone somebody might have dropped something in somebody might have dropped something in somebody might have dropped something in this see you don't want to be this see you don't want to be this see you don't want to be destabilizing yourself so we always say destabilizing yourself so we always say destabilizing yourself so we always say even in the summer wear shoes in the even in the summer wear shoes in the even in the summer wear shoes in the winter don't only be visible but be warm winter don't only be visible but be warm winter don't only be visible but be warm so wear a hat wear neoprene gloves wear so wear a hat wear neoprene gloves wear so wear a hat wear neoprene gloves wear little booties that come up over your little booties that come up over your little booties that come up over your ankles just to keep you insulated and ankles just to keep you insulated and ankles just to keep you insulated and help you to feel more comfortable and help you to feel more comfortable and help you to feel more comfortable and warm in the environment but it's for us warm in the environment but it's for us warm in the environment but it's for us it's about safety is about safe entry it's about safety is about safe entry it's about safety is about safe entry safe exit assessing whether it's safe of safe exit assessing whether it's safe of safe exit assessing whether it's safe of you to go in and be visible and swim
30:00you to go in and be visible and swim you to go in and be visible and swim with somebody else don't swim on your with somebody else don't swim on your with somebody else don't swim on your own um and if you're if the conditions own um and if you're if the conditions own um and if you're if the conditions are such or the weather is such just are such or the weather is such just are such or the weather is such just swim parallel to the shore so when swim parallel to the shore so when swim parallel to the shore so when you've had enough if you're suddenly you've had enough if you're suddenly you've had enough if you're suddenly experiencing that swim incapacitation experiencing that swim incapacitation experiencing that swim incapacitation that stiffness of muscles from having that stiffness of muscles from having that stiffness of muscles from having gotten too cold which can be different gotten too cold which can be different gotten too cold which can be different on every day you can get out and walk on every day you can get out and walk on every day you can get out and walk safely back you might get cold but safely back you might get cold but safely back you might get cold but you'll be safe whereas if you you'll be safe whereas if you you'll be safe whereas if you SW if you swam out to that lovely boy SW if you swam out to that lovely boy SW if you swam out to that lovely boy that's you know presenting you with an that's you know presenting you with an that's you know presenting you with an amazing Challenge and the weather is amazing Challenge and the weather is amazing Challenge and the weather is simply too cold for that length of time simply too cold for that length of time simply too cold for that length of time in the water you've still got to turn in the water you've still got to turn in the water you've still got to turn around and swim back and I don't know if around and swim back and I don't know if around and swim back and I don't know if you've ever I don't if you've heard of you've ever I don't if you've heard of you've ever I don't if you've heard of swim failure or Swim incapacitation what swim failure or Swim incapacitation what swim failure or Swim incapacitation what or have experienced it yourself but or have experienced it yourself but or have experienced it yourself but literally your literally your literally your muscles um from the sort of backs of muscles um from the sort of backs of muscles um from the sort of backs of your arms and then sort of increasing your arms and then sort of increasing your arms and then sort of increasing throughout your body just becom stiff
31:00throughout your body just becom stiff throughout your body just becom stiff and your swim stroke starts to suffer and your swim stroke starts to suffer and your swim stroke starts to suffer you start to slow down you start to lose you start to slow down you start to lose you start to slow down you start to lose coordination and then in the end you can coordination and then in the end you can coordination and then in the end you can end up climbing the ladder literally end up climbing the ladder literally end up climbing the ladder literally like that in the water just trying to like that in the water just trying to like that in the water just trying to stay afloat um if that if that really stay afloat um if that if that really stay afloat um if that if that really does kick in and I have felt the start does kick in and I have felt the start does kick in and I have felt the start of it one day um that was on the backs of it one day um that was on the backs of it one day um that was on the backs of my arms and oh gosh this feels a bit of my arms and oh gosh this feels a bit of my arms and oh gosh this feels a bit we weird but because I knew what it was we weird but because I knew what it was we weird but because I knew what it was I got out the other the other benefit of I got out the other the other benefit of I got out the other the other benefit of a toe float it is not a buoyancy Aid it a toe float it is not a buoyancy Aid it a toe float it is not a buoyancy Aid it is not a lifesaver but it is something is not a lifesaver but it is something is not a lifesaver but it is something that you can float on for a while to get that you can float on for a while to get that you can float on for a while to get your breath your breath your breath back excellent back excellent back excellent advice excellent advice and um advice excellent advice and um advice excellent advice and um unfortunately we are coming up to our unfortunately we are coming up to our unfortunately we are coming up to our last couple of moments so I just want to last couple of moments so I just want to last couple of moments so I just want to take this opportunity to thank you so take this opportunity to thank you so take this opportunity to thank you so much for having a chat with me about much for having a chat with me about much for having a chat with me about chill do chill do chill do and um yeah if anyone wants to get
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