Firefighter Triples Testosterone With Ice Baths Sean Smiley Uncommon Living 7
00:00[Applause] [Applause] Welcome to the Uncommon Living podcast Welcome to the Uncommon Living podcast Welcome to the Uncommon Living podcast where we host dialogues in the science, where we host dialogues in the science, where we host dialogues in the science, experience, and practical wisdom of cold experience, and practical wisdom of cold experience, and practical wisdom of cold plunge therapy for building plunge therapy for building plunge therapy for building physiological and psychological physiological and psychological physiological and psychological resilience. My guest today is a resilience. My guest today is a resilience. My guest today is a firefighter who injured a testicle firefighter who injured a testicle firefighter who injured a testicle during a training exercise. Naturally, during a training exercise. Naturally, during a training exercise. Naturally, his testosterone plunged down into the his testosterone plunged down into the his testosterone plunged down into the 200s, but he brought it back up to 200s, but he brought it back up to 200s, but he brought it back up to healthy using ice baths before exercise. healthy using ice baths before exercise. healthy using ice baths before exercise. I injured myself in 2007 at work in a I injured myself in 2007 at work in a I injured myself in 2007 at work in a training exercise uh wearing a uh full training exercise uh wearing a uh full training exercise uh wearing a uh full body harness. fell um 20 30 feet or so body harness. fell um 20 30 feet or so body harness. fell um 20 30 feet or so and uh the harness the bleet attached to and uh the harness the bleet attached to and uh the harness the bleet attached to the pelvis caught me and um it ended up the pelvis caught me and um it ended up the pelvis caught me and um it ended up crushing uh my left leg uh pondal nerve crushing uh my left leg uh pondal nerve crushing uh my left leg uh pondal nerve and then also um my genitalia
01:00and then also um my genitalia and then also um my genitalia specifically my left testicle was was specifically my left testicle was was specifically my left testicle was was damaged very badly and I ended up damaged very badly and I ended up damaged very badly and I ended up getting compartment syndrome and my getting compartment syndrome and my getting compartment syndrome and my scrotum which is swelling without scrotum which is swelling without scrotum which is swelling without resolve or they thought it was resolve or they thought it was resolve or they thought it was compartment syndrome never got diagnosed compartment syndrome never got diagnosed compartment syndrome never got diagnosed but the doctor later on was like I bet but the doctor later on was like I bet but the doctor later on was like I bet you had that based off these these you had that based off these these you had that based off these these pretty gnarly photographs. pretty gnarly photographs. pretty gnarly photographs. Um I I ended up becoming um hypogonatic Um I I ended up becoming um hypogonatic Um I I ended up becoming um hypogonatic from that that traumatic insult to my from that that traumatic insult to my from that that traumatic insult to my Can you explain what hypo hypogonatism Can you explain what hypo hypogonatism Can you explain what hypo hypogonatism is? That is when your body doesn't is? That is when your body doesn't is? That is when your body doesn't produce as much or any testosterone produce as much or any testosterone produce as much or any testosterone um and uh people that have had like um and uh people that have had like um and uh people that have had like testicular cancer or um for example I testicular cancer or um for example I testicular cancer or um for example I mean and I I hate to compare myself to mean and I I hate to compare myself to mean and I I hate to compare myself to it but if you have a dog a male dog that it but if you have a dog a male dog that it but if you have a dog a male dog that is just too aggressive and you know is just too aggressive and you know is just too aggressive and you know peeing on things what what do we do? We peeing on things what what do we do? We peeing on things what what do we do? We take them to the vet and we neuter them. take them to the vet and we neuter them. take them to the vet and we neuter them. That's removing their testicles. We That's removing their testicles. We That's removing their testicles. We remove that sex hormone that naturally remove that sex hormone that naturally remove that sex hormone that naturally makes males male, you know, the the makes males male, you know, the the makes males male, you know, the the changes in our our body composition, changes in our our body composition, changes in our our body composition, facial hair, aggressiveness, all of facial hair, aggressiveness, all of facial hair, aggressiveness, all of these other things, sexual drive. Um, I these other things, sexual drive. Um, I these other things, sexual drive. Um, I was super low. My lab values were were
02:00was super low. My lab values were were was super low. My lab values were were initially like sub 200, which is almost initially like sub 200, which is almost initially like sub 200, which is almost undetectable. Um, in men. Yeah. In men. undetectable. Um, in men. Yeah. In men. undetectable. Um, in men. Yeah. In men. Yeah. And, um, as far as, you know, for Yeah. And, um, as far as, you know, for Yeah. And, um, as far as, you know, for that um for that test. And so they that um for that test. And so they that um for that test. And so they started experimenting with, you know, started experimenting with, you know, started experimenting with, you know, trying to give me supplementation, trying to give me supplementation, trying to give me supplementation, whether it was creams or deodorant. I whether it was creams or deodorant. I whether it was creams or deodorant. I never got the the pills. They wanted to never got the the pills. They wanted to never got the the pills. They wanted to in insert these pellets. I was like, uh, in insert these pellets. I was like, uh, in insert these pellets. I was like, uh, it seems a little permanent. Um, did it seems a little permanent. Um, did it seems a little permanent. Um, did tried injectable testosterone and it tried injectable testosterone and it tried injectable testosterone and it just did just did just did not we didn't mix well. I didn't like not we didn't mix well. I didn't like not we didn't mix well. I didn't like that drug. It didn't treat me well. It that drug. It didn't treat me well. It that drug. It didn't treat me well. It made me sick. It gave me choleistasis. made me sick. It gave me choleistasis. made me sick. It gave me choleistasis. So I ended up having like like when my So I ended up having like like when my So I ended up having like like when my liver panel was off the chart. My my um liver panel was off the chart. My my um liver panel was off the chart. My my um hematocrit was was was way high. Was I'm hematocrit was was was way high. Was I'm hematocrit was was was way high. Was I'm thickening of the blood and any adverse thickening of the blood and any adverse thickening of the blood and any adverse circumstance you could have with sex circumstance you could have with sex circumstance you could have with sex hormone supplementation um happened to hormone supplementation um happened to hormone supplementation um happened to me just bad luck I suppose or maybe good me just bad luck I suppose or maybe good me just bad luck I suppose or maybe good luck and I ended up getting off maybe luck and I ended up getting off maybe luck and I ended up getting off maybe there were a lot of things going on with there were a lot of things going on with there were a lot of things going on with you at the time. Yeah. Stress and work you at the time. Yeah. Stress and work you at the time. Yeah. Stress and work and and and a lot of other um and and and a lot of other um and and and a lot of other um cocompounding factors. I ended up cocompounding factors. I ended up cocompounding factors. I ended up getting off of it cold turkey like we
03:00getting off of it cold turkey like we getting off of it cold turkey like we spoke about. I just took the stuff and spoke about. I just took the stuff and spoke about. I just took the stuff and threw it in the trash. Mhm. I don't know threw it in the trash. Mhm. I don't know threw it in the trash. Mhm. I don't know if that's the right way to dispose of if that's the right way to dispose of if that's the right way to dispose of that controlled substance, but that's that controlled substance, but that's that controlled substance, but that's what I did. I threw it away and got it what I did. I threw it away and got it what I did. I threw it away and got it away for me and um suffered for a little away for me and um suffered for a little away for me and um suffered for a little while. It was no fun with depression and while. It was no fun with depression and while. It was no fun with depression and and uh not not in the sense of like and uh not not in the sense of like and uh not not in the sense of like we're um you know like suicidal ideation we're um you know like suicidal ideation we're um you know like suicidal ideation or anything like that, but I just didn't or anything like that, but I just didn't or anything like that, but I just didn't have any drive to do anything. I don't have any drive to do anything. I don't have any drive to do anything. I don't want to do anything. I just want to sit want to do anything. I just want to sit want to do anything. I just want to sit around and take naps and really I got to around and take naps and really I got to around and take naps and really I got to go to work and I just force myself to go go to work and I just force myself to go go to work and I just force myself to go through the motions and um I fell into through the motions and um I fell into through the motions and um I fell into uh this like beautiful accident is what uh this like beautiful accident is what uh this like beautiful accident is what I like to call it because I started I like to call it because I started I like to call it because I started doing jiu-jitsu um to try and like doing jiu-jitsu um to try and like doing jiu-jitsu um to try and like motivate me to do some other things and motivate me to do some other things and motivate me to do some other things and and there were some other things going and there were some other things going and there were some other things going on in my life to that that that drove me on in my life to that that that drove me on in my life to that that that drove me towards jiu-jitsu to try and like um towards jiu-jitsu to try and like um towards jiu-jitsu to try and like um have some of what we talked about that have some of what we talked about that have some of what we talked about that like escapism give me this temporary one like escapism give me this temporary one like escapism give me this temporary one hour for myself and I don't have to hour for myself and I don't have to hour for myself and I don't have to think about anything else when I, you think about anything else when I, you think about anything else when I, you know, put on the ghee and tie the belt know, put on the ghee and tie the belt know, put on the ghee and tie the belt and go on the mats like for this one
04:00and go on the mats like for this one and go on the mats like for this one hour it's mine and I don't have to think hour it's mine and I don't have to think hour it's mine and I don't have to think about paying the bills or going to work about paying the bills or going to work about paying the bills or going to work or or or going to the kids soccer or or or going to the kids soccer or or or going to the kids soccer practice. This is for me. Well, I wasn't practice. This is for me. Well, I wasn't practice. This is for me. Well, I wasn't very good at it like most people aren't very good at it like most people aren't very good at it like most people aren't when they start something new, but I when they start something new, but I when they start something new, but I really really wasn't good at it. And really really wasn't good at it. And really really wasn't good at it. And even my coach, my professor Mark says it even my coach, my professor Mark says it even my coach, my professor Mark says it all the time. Anytime he gives me a all the time. Anytime he gives me a all the time. Anytime he gives me a stripe or promotes me about he's like, stripe or promotes me about he's like, stripe or promotes me about he's like, "This is the worst white belt I ever "This is the worst white belt I ever "This is the worst white belt I ever had." Like it took me almost four years had." Like it took me almost four years had." Like it took me almost four years to get a blue belt, which is a long to get a blue belt, which is a long to get a blue belt, which is a long time. Um cuz I sucked and I still suck. time. Um cuz I sucked and I still suck. time. Um cuz I sucked and I still suck. I guess I guess I guess um that's uh that's um I think I think um that's uh that's um I think I think um that's uh that's um I think I think we always suck at jiu-jitsu. Us that do we always suck at jiu-jitsu. Us that do we always suck at jiu-jitsu. Us that do it. We always think we suck even if we it. We always think we suck even if we it. We always think we suck even if we are um maybe decent at it. But with that are um maybe decent at it. But with that are um maybe decent at it. But with that being said, um I was so sore cuz I was being said, um I was so sore cuz I was being said, um I was so sore cuz I was getting my butt kicked really bad all getting my butt kicked really bad all getting my butt kicked really bad all the time. Um I would go and jump into my the time. Um I would go and jump into my the time. Um I would go and jump into my pool and it just happened to be winter pool and it just happened to be winter pool and it just happened to be winter time. Um, and the pool I had was a time. Um, and the pool I had was a time. Um, and the pool I had was a saltwater pool. So, it got really cold saltwater pool. So, it got really cold saltwater pool. So, it got really cold in the winter time and it wasn't heated in the winter time and it wasn't heated in the winter time and it wasn't heated obviously. And I would jump in there and obviously. And I would jump in there and obviously. And I would jump in there and I'd thrash around and like move my arm I'd thrash around and like move my arm I'd thrash around and like move my arm that was hurt really bad. And I'd just that was hurt really bad. And I'd just that was hurt really bad. And I'd just go in there for a couple minutes and
05:00go in there for a couple minutes and go in there for a couple minutes and kind of get numb. Then I'd hop out, dry kind of get numb. Then I'd hop out, dry kind of get numb. Then I'd hop out, dry off, put on my ghee or my ghee bottom off, put on my ghee or my ghee bottom off, put on my ghee or my ghee bottom and grab my bag and go to jiu-jitsu. And and grab my bag and go to jiu-jitsu. And and grab my bag and go to jiu-jitsu. And um as embarrassing as it is talking um as embarrassing as it is talking um as embarrassing as it is talking about my genitalia and crushing them and about my genitalia and crushing them and about my genitalia and crushing them and all these other things, I noticed after all these other things, I noticed after all these other things, I noticed after about a week and a half or two weeks of about a week and a half or two weeks of about a week and a half or two weeks of going in the pool and being cold in the going in the pool and being cold in the going in the pool and being cold in the winter time and then going to jiu-jitsu, winter time and then going to jiu-jitsu, winter time and then going to jiu-jitsu, it was all by total accident because I it was all by total accident because I it was all by total accident because I was so sore and I don't want to take was so sore and I don't want to take was so sore and I don't want to take Tylenol or Advil every day and and and Tylenol or Advil every day and and and Tylenol or Advil every day and and and get an ulcer, mess up my liver. I'm very get an ulcer, mess up my liver. I'm very get an ulcer, mess up my liver. I'm very much because of my wonderful mother much because of my wonderful mother much because of my wonderful mother believe in more holistic approaches to believe in more holistic approaches to believe in more holistic approaches to things. And um anyway, where I'm going things. And um anyway, where I'm going things. And um anyway, where I'm going with this was I started waking up in the with this was I started waking up in the with this was I started waking up in the morning with morning with morning with erections and I was like, "What the erections and I was like, "What the erections and I was like, "What the [ __ ] That's not consistent with low [ __ ] That's not consistent with low [ __ ] That's not consistent with low testosterone. What's going on here? I testosterone. What's going on here? I testosterone. What's going on here? I think I'm like 18 again. Like what's think I'm like 18 again. Like what's think I'm like 18 again. Like what's what's happening?" And then I noticed, what's happening?" And then I noticed, what's happening?" And then I noticed, you know, maybe like a couple days or you know, maybe like a couple days or you know, maybe like a couple days or another week later, like my muscles were another week later, like my muscles were another week later, like my muscles were like dense again and I had vascularity like dense again and I had vascularity like dense again and I had vascularity in my arms and and I was losing weight in my arms and and I was losing weight in my arms and and I was losing weight quick cuz I'd put on a lot of weight. I quick cuz I'd put on a lot of weight. I quick cuz I'd put on a lot of weight. I was up to about 206 lbs. It was that was
06:00was up to about 206 lbs. It was that was was up to about 206 lbs. It was that was heavy for my frame of 58. weigh like 176 heavy for my frame of 58. weigh like 176 heavy for my frame of 58. weigh like 176 now and I was like I was chubby and I now and I was like I was chubby and I now and I was like I was chubby and I was sluggish and I was slow and now all was sluggish and I was slow and now all was sluggish and I was slow and now all of a sudden I'm waking up with a boner of a sudden I'm waking up with a boner of a sudden I'm waking up with a boner and I have veins in my arms and I'm and I have veins in my arms and I'm and I have veins in my arms and I'm ready to go and I want to want to flip ready to go and I want to want to flip ready to go and I want to want to flip [ __ ] over like I'm I'm like what is [ __ ] over like I'm I'm like what is [ __ ] over like I'm I'm like what is going on here? Went to my doctor and going on here? Went to my doctor and going on here? Went to my doctor and drew my labs and he's drew my labs and he's drew my labs and he's like come on dude what are you what are like come on dude what are you what are like come on dude what are you what are you taking? You going did you drive down you taking? You going did you drive down you taking? You going did you drive down to Tijana and get some little protein in to Tijana and get some little protein in to Tijana and get some little protein in a vial? I'm like, "No, dude." Like, he's a vial? I'm like, "No, dude." Like, he's a vial? I'm like, "No, dude." Like, he's like, "Well, whatever you're doing, keep like, "Well, whatever you're doing, keep like, "Well, whatever you're doing, keep doing it." Then I um Do you remember the doing it." Then I um Do you remember the doing it." Then I um Do you remember the numbers? Um I'd have I'd have to try. He numbers? Um I'd have I'd have to try. He numbers? Um I'd have I'd have to try. He moved back to Canada. It's a great moved back to Canada. It's a great moved back to Canada. It's a great doctor. Um but I I know I was really low doctor. Um but I I know I was really low doctor. Um but I I know I was really low in 200. I want to say it was like in the in 200. I want to say it was like in the in 200. I want to say it was like in the five fives or six something. Doctors five fives or six something. Doctors five fives or six something. Doctors would say, "Oh, that's normal." But for would say, "Oh, that's normal." But for would say, "Oh, that's normal." But for me, it was a huge contrast between what me, it was a huge contrast between what me, it was a huge contrast between what it was. And he's like, "What are you it was. And he's like, "What are you it was. And he's like, "What are you doing? You're taking He thought I was
07:00doing? You're taking He thought I was doing? You're taking He thought I was taking it was back on the sauce." And taking it was back on the sauce." And taking it was back on the sauce." And I'm like, "No." Um, then the seasons I'm like, "No." Um, then the seasons I'm like, "No." Um, then the seasons changed. The pool heated up. changed. The pool heated up. changed. The pool heated up. I kind of started going back down. I'm I kind of started going back down. I'm I kind of started going back down. I'm like, "What is going on?" So then I got, like, "What is going on?" So then I got, like, "What is going on?" So then I got, you know, a a trash can. Mhm. From work. you know, a a trash can. Mhm. From work. you know, a a trash can. Mhm. From work. It wasn't a trash can. It was like this It wasn't a trash can. It was like this It wasn't a trash can. It was like this blue empty barrels and they had a bunch blue empty barrels and they had a bunch blue empty barrels and they had a bunch of them. And I asked somebody, I'm like, of them. And I asked somebody, I'm like, of them. And I asked somebody, I'm like, "What are these for?" And they're like, "What are these for?" And they're like, "What are these for?" And they're like, "Yeah, you can use them." I saw the top "Yeah, you can use them." I saw the top "Yeah, you can use them." I saw the top off of this barrel and rinsed it out off of this barrel and rinsed it out off of this barrel and rinsed it out really good because I don't know what really good because I don't know what really good because I don't know what was in there. Hopefully it wasn't bad. was in there. Hopefully it wasn't bad. was in there. Hopefully it wasn't bad. But um started filling it up with ice But um started filling it up with ice But um started filling it up with ice and sitting in it at work. And then I'd and sitting in it at work. And then I'd and sitting in it at work. And then I'd go work out and drag fire hose or put on go work out and drag fire hose or put on go work out and drag fire hose or put on my air pack. And I was just totally my air pack. And I was just totally my air pack. And I was just totally experimenting like seeing like if I experimenting like seeing like if I experimenting like seeing like if I could do breathing exercises in the ice could do breathing exercises in the ice could do breathing exercises in the ice and see how long I could make my air and see how long I could make my air and see how long I could make my air cylinder last on a self-contained cylinder last on a self-contained cylinder last on a self-contained breathing breathing breathing apparatus. And um so then I you know got apparatus. And um so then I you know got apparatus. And um so then I you know got this little ice barrel and I was getting this little ice barrel and I was getting this little ice barrel and I was getting the ice from the firehouse and and um the ice from the firehouse and and um the ice from the firehouse and and um and doing it at home as as much as I and doing it at home as as much as I and doing it at home as as much as I could, but ice is expensive and and could, but ice is expensive and and could, but ice is expensive and and moving it back and forth in Yeti coolers
08:00moving it back and forth in Yeti coolers moving it back and forth in Yeti coolers to the truck and people and then it's to the truck and people and then it's to the truck and people and then it's summertime and then the firefighters summertime and then the firefighters summertime and then the firefighters like, "Hey dude, there's no ice." And like, "Hey dude, there's no ice." And like, "Hey dude, there's no ice." And everybody everybody everybody Captain used it all stealing all the ice Captain used it all stealing all the ice Captain used it all stealing all the ice and they can't fill up the ice chest and and they can't fill up the ice chest and and they can't fill up the ice chest and it's 109 outside and we can't keep our it's 109 outside and we can't keep our it's 109 outside and we can't keep our Gatorades cold for rehab after a Gatorades cold for rehab after a Gatorades cold for rehab after a structure fire. I get it. Um, but what structure fire. I get it. Um, but what structure fire. I get it. Um, but what ended up happening, it wasn't just me ended up happening, it wasn't just me ended up happening, it wasn't just me taking the eyes. Like other guys started taking the eyes. Like other guys started taking the eyes. Like other guys started doing this, too, because they started doing this, too, because they started doing this, too, because they started being like, "What are you doing? I'm being like, "What are you doing? I'm being like, "What are you doing? I'm curious. What's this about?" And I'm curious. What's this about?" And I'm curious. What's this about?" And I'm like, "Man, I don't know what it is. like, "Man, I don't know what it is. like, "Man, I don't know what it is. Like, when I do this, I feel [ __ ] Like, when I do this, I feel [ __ ] Like, when I do this, I feel [ __ ] alive." Like, like it it turned alive." Like, like it it turned alive." Like, like it it turned something back on in me that was broken. something back on in me that was broken. something back on in me that was broken. And um anyway, so other guys started And um anyway, so other guys started And um anyway, so other guys started stealing the ice, too. And then it stealing the ice, too. And then it stealing the ice, too. And then it turned into this whole debacle and no turned into this whole debacle and no turned into this whole debacle and no more ice baths at the station. and um more ice baths at the station. and um more ice baths at the station. and um they're working on trying to get them they're working on trying to get them they're working on trying to get them back and figure out how to go about it back and figure out how to go about it back and figure out how to go about it the best way with um you know a managed the best way with um you know a managed the best way with um you know a managed approach to the human resource concerns approach to the human resource concerns approach to the human resource concerns and other things that go on in and other things that go on in and other things that go on in municipalities. But every fire municipalities. But every fire municipalities. But every fire department, every police department,
09:00department, every police department, department, every police department, every paramedic, EMT, private company every paramedic, EMT, private company every paramedic, EMT, private company should be investing in their employees should be investing in their employees should be investing in their employees health. And if all they need to do is health. And if all they need to do is health. And if all they need to do is sit in a bucket of ice to make them feel sit in a bucket of ice to make them feel sit in a bucket of ice to make them feel better, whether it's PTSD resolution, better, whether it's PTSD resolution, better, whether it's PTSD resolution, hormone mitigation, mitochondrial reset, hormone mitigation, mitochondrial reset, hormone mitigation, mitochondrial reset, cancer reduction, they should be looking cancer reduction, they should be looking cancer reduction, they should be looking at buying a bigger ice machine and a at buying a bigger ice machine and a at buying a bigger ice machine and a bigger tub or or whatever it is that bigger tub or or whatever it is that bigger tub or or whatever it is that they can sit in to fix them. Whether they can sit in to fix them. Whether they can sit in to fix them. Whether it's a Morasco or anything of the like, it's a Morasco or anything of the like, it's a Morasco or anything of the like, like put people in cold water. Clearly, like put people in cold water. Clearly, like put people in cold water. Clearly, we're here talking to you today because we're here talking to you today because we're here talking to you today because Morasco, in my experience, in my Morasco, in my experience, in my Morasco, in my experience, in my experimentation, um, as anecdotal and experimentation, um, as anecdotal and experimentation, um, as anecdotal and juvenile as it may be in the scientific juvenile as it may be in the scientific juvenile as it may be in the scientific method, and it's clearly subjective in method, and it's clearly subjective in method, and it's clearly subjective in my opinion, that this is the best one on my opinion, that this is the best one on my opinion, that this is the best one on the market. My testosterone resolved the market. My testosterone resolved the market. My testosterone resolved though, and it's still good. I had it though, and it's still good. I had it though, and it's still good. I had it drawn the other day. We talked about the drawn the other day. We talked about the drawn the other day. We talked about the NFPA physicals because we were talking NFPA physicals because we were talking NFPA physicals because we were talking about uh an agency here in Arizona that about uh an agency here in Arizona that about uh an agency here in Arizona that prohibits the practice similar to um the prohibits the practice similar to um the prohibits the practice similar to um the department that I work for doesn't department that I work for doesn't department that I work for doesn't really prohibit it. It's just not really prohibit it. It's just not really prohibit it. It's just not sanctioned and you shouldn't be doing it
10:00sanctioned and you shouldn't be doing it sanctioned and you shouldn't be doing it on duty. So people avoid it because they on duty. So people avoid it because they on duty. So people avoid it because they don't want to get into trouble, right? don't want to get into trouble, right? don't want to get into trouble, right? Still kind of on the fringe with that Still kind of on the fringe with that Still kind of on the fringe with that versus a clear prohibition and policy to versus a clear prohibition and policy to versus a clear prohibition and policy to not do it. I think is is is a little not do it. I think is is is a little not do it. I think is is is a little wild. Um but again, I don't work for wild. Um but again, I don't work for wild. Um but again, I don't work for that agency. I'm not in the management that agency. I'm not in the management that agency. I'm not in the management or leadership of that agency to to or leadership of that agency to to or leadership of that agency to to speak, you speak, you speak, you know, to not have their arguments on the know, to not have their arguments on the know, to not have their arguments on the contract. The NFPA physical measure your contract. The NFPA physical measure your contract. The NFPA physical measure your testosterone levels. No, I paid the the testosterone levels. No, I paid the the testosterone levels. No, I paid the the company um we have a company that comes company um we have a company that comes company um we have a company that comes every year and does our NFPA physicals. every year and does our NFPA physicals. every year and does our NFPA physicals. Um I gave them like it was like 50 bucks Um I gave them like it was like 50 bucks Um I gave them like it was like 50 bucks to add it on to the lab value cuz I to add it on to the lab value cuz I to add it on to the lab value cuz I wanted to see where I was at. And uh I wanted to see where I was at. And uh I wanted to see where I was at. And uh I just got it done. I got the results just got it done. I got the results just got it done. I got the results back. I sent you a snapshot. I think it back. I sent you a snapshot. I think it back. I sent you a snapshot. I think it was 771. It's pretty healthy for a guy was 771. It's pretty healthy for a guy was 771. It's pretty healthy for a guy with one testicle. I mean, I don't know with one testicle. I mean, I don't know with one testicle. I mean, I don't know how your left one's doing and whether how your left one's doing and whether how your left one's doing and whether it's He's hanging around back. All it's He's hanging around back. All it's He's hanging around back. All right. right. right. I don't think it works very much, but I don't think it works very much, but I don't think it works very much, but Right. Yeah. But true. Yeah. True story. Right. Yeah. But true. Yeah. True story. Right. Yeah. But true. Yeah. True story. Injured myself really bad. Um, my body Injured myself really bad. Um, my body Injured myself really bad. Um, my body doesn't produce um as much natural
11:00doesn't produce um as much natural doesn't produce um as much natural testosterone, and there could have been testosterone, and there could have been testosterone, and there could have been some other cooks in the kitchen to be some other cooks in the kitchen to be some other cooks in the kitchen to be fair. Um, but clearly the lab values and fair. Um, but clearly the lab values and fair. Um, but clearly the lab values and and I wasn't any more wildly stressed and I wasn't any more wildly stressed and I wasn't any more wildly stressed out than I think I am today. I might be out than I think I am today. I might be out than I think I am today. I might be a little bit calmer. There's some other a little bit calmer. There's some other a little bit calmer. There's some other things going on, but not enough to make things going on, but not enough to make things going on, but not enough to make your testosterone completely turn off. your testosterone completely turn off. your testosterone completely turn off. If you Google ice bath testosterone, If you Google ice bath testosterone, If you Google ice bath testosterone, Google's AI summary overview engine will Google's AI summary overview engine will Google's AI summary overview engine will tell you there is no evidence that ice tell you there is no evidence that ice tell you there is no evidence that ice baths can be used to increase baths can be used to increase baths can be used to increase testosterone. What do you think of that? testosterone. What do you think of that? testosterone. What do you think of that? Well, I mean, if you look up laptop on Well, I mean, if you look up laptop on Well, I mean, if you look up laptop on my lap, testosterone low, it'll tell you my lap, testosterone low, it'll tell you my lap, testosterone low, it'll tell you don't put heat on your don't put heat on your don't put heat on your testicles. I mean, the my doctor told testicles. I mean, the my doctor told testicles. I mean, the my doctor told me, "Hey, you want to keep your me, "Hey, you want to keep your me, "Hey, you want to keep your testosterone high." Obviously, I don't testosterone high." Obviously, I don't testosterone high." Obviously, I don't like alipathy. It's not my favorite like alipathy. It's not my favorite like alipathy. It's not my favorite thing, but I still go and get physicals. thing, but I still go and get physicals. thing, but I still go and get physicals. And there there are some laboratory And there there are some laboratory And there there are some laboratory values that are important to me like a values that are important to me like a values that are important to me like a calcium score for my heart waking up at calcium score for my heart waking up at calcium score for my heart waking up at night to tones and having that you know
12:00night to tones and having that you know night to tones and having that you know um shock value to um my my vascular um shock value to um my my vascular um shock value to um my my vascular system having to go from zero to 100 system having to go from zero to 100 system having to go from zero to 100 really quick because it's your job really quick because it's your job really quick because it's your job because it's my job. So I get a a because it's my job. So I get a a because it's my job. So I get a a calcium cardiac uh scan um once every calcium cardiac uh scan um once every calcium cardiac uh scan um once every three years, once every 5 years or so three years, once every 5 years or so three years, once every 5 years or so because it does require radiation. But because it does require radiation. But because it does require radiation. But with that still go to my doctor and he with that still go to my doctor and he with that still go to my doctor and he goes and he's he's good. His name's Dr. goes and he's he's good. His name's Dr. goes and he's he's good. His name's Dr. Mia. He's he's old. I don't want to say Mia. He's he's old. I don't want to say Mia. He's he's old. I don't want to say old. He's old school. Mhm. Um he's old. He's old school. Mhm. Um he's old. He's old school. Mhm. Um he's obviously older than me. But with that obviously older than me. But with that obviously older than me. But with that being said, um he's like, "Hey, you want being said, um he's like, "Hey, you want being said, um he's like, "Hey, you want to keep your testosterone up, stay out to keep your testosterone up, stay out to keep your testosterone up, stay out of the sauna. He's maybe once or twice a of the sauna. He's maybe once or twice a of the sauna. He's maybe once or twice a week if you really enjoy it because I'm week if you really enjoy it because I'm week if you really enjoy it because I'm telling you, man." He's all the cold is telling you, man." He's all the cold is telling you, man." He's all the cold is working for you clearly. And he believes working for you clearly. And he believes working for you clearly. And he believes my story and I've showed him the the my story and I've showed him the the my story and I've showed him the the evidence which I've shared with you. And evidence which I've shared with you. And evidence which I've shared with you. And he goes, "Babe, but you want to keep he goes, "Babe, but you want to keep he goes, "Babe, but you want to keep your levels really high. Like don't be your levels really high. Like don't be your levels really high. Like don't be heating up the boys." Mhm. So, I would heating up the boys." Mhm. So, I would heating up the boys." Mhm. So, I would say to answer your question, if hot is say to answer your question, if hot is say to answer your question, if hot is bad and lowers your testosterone bad and lowers your testosterone bad and lowers your testosterone production, why wouldn't coincidentally production, why wouldn't coincidentally production, why wouldn't coincidentally cold be good or at least not bad? Mhm.
13:00cold be good or at least not bad? Mhm. cold be good or at least not bad? Mhm. At at the minimum. Well, maybe it At at the minimum. Well, maybe it At at the minimum. Well, maybe it doesn't make a huge effect right away, doesn't make a huge effect right away, doesn't make a huge effect right away, but I would say consistent cooling is but I would say consistent cooling is but I would say consistent cooling is going to increase with all of the other going to increase with all of the other going to increase with all of the other components of the global mild components of the global mild components of the global mild hypothermia and the parasympathetic hypothermia and the parasympathetic hypothermia and the parasympathetic reset and having the veagal tone changes reset and having the veagal tone changes reset and having the veagal tone changes and all of the other like associated and all of the other like associated and all of the other like associated benefits with deliberate cold water benefits with deliberate cold water benefits with deliberate cold water exposure probably are all compounding exposure probably are all compounding exposure probably are all compounding into a healthy level of sex hormone in into a healthy level of sex hormone in into a healthy level of sex hormone in the male and female. Um, the male and female. Um, the male and female. Um, the funny thing about Google is it'll the funny thing about Google is it'll the funny thing about Google is it'll give you that AI overview saying there's give you that AI overview saying there's give you that AI overview saying there's no evidence that ice baths increase no evidence that ice baths increase no evidence that ice baths increase testosterone, but the number one search testosterone, but the number one search testosterone, but the number one search result that it delivers is our article, result that it delivers is our article, result that it delivers is our article, how to use ice baths to increase your how to use ice baths to increase your how to use ice baths to increase your testosterone. I've got maybe a dozen testosterone. I've got maybe a dozen testosterone. I've got maybe a dozen people who have sent me their labs people who have sent me their labs people who have sent me their labs saying, I started doing ice baths. This saying, I started doing ice baths. This saying, I started doing ice baths. This is what happened to my testosterone. is what happened to my testosterone. is what happened to my testosterone. We've got the Sakamoto study from 1991, We've got the Sakamoto study from 1991, We've got the Sakamoto study from 1991, which I know that you're aware of,
14:00which I know that you're aware of, which I know that you're aware of, because they changed the order. They did because they changed the order. They did because they changed the order. They did the ice baths after the exercise and it the ice baths after the exercise and it the ice baths after the exercise and it reduced testosterone. And everybody reduced testosterone. And everybody reduced testosterone. And everybody thinks, "Oh, well, that's the final thinks, "Oh, well, that's the final thinks, "Oh, well, that's the final word." But when Sakamoto reversed it and word." But when Sakamoto reversed it and word." But when Sakamoto reversed it and did the ice baths, it was just cold did the ice baths, it was just cold did the ice baths, it was just cold stimulation. It was the forearm. They stimulation. It was the forearm. They stimulation. It was the forearm. They didn't even get in the whole bath. Then didn't even get in the whole bath. Then didn't even get in the whole bath. Then they did 20 minutes on the exercise they did 20 minutes on the exercise they did 20 minutes on the exercise bike, luteinizing hormone, and total bike, luteinizing hormone, and total bike, luteinizing hormone, and total testosterone in men went up. The order testosterone in men went up. The order testosterone in men went up. The order of things really matters. Of course, you of things really matters. Of course, you of things really matters. Of course, you can use ice baths to increase your can use ice baths to increase your can use ice baths to increase your testosterone. You can also use ice baths testosterone. You can also use ice baths testosterone. You can also use ice baths to decrease your testosterone. It to decrease your testosterone. It to decrease your testosterone. It depends in men on whether you do the depends in men on whether you do the depends in men on whether you do the exercise after the ice bath or exercise after the ice bath or exercise after the ice bath or beforehand. But in women, it's really beforehand. But in women, it's really beforehand. But in women, it's really interesting. It is it's instant. They interesting. It is it's instant. They interesting. It is it's instant. They took the cold presser test. It's just took the cold presser test. It's just took the cold presser test. It's just one hand, usually non-dominant hand in a one hand, usually non-dominant hand in a one hand, usually non-dominant hand in a bowl of ice water. So they took men and bowl of ice water. So they took men and bowl of ice water. So they took men and women and wanted to compare how they women and wanted to compare how they women and wanted to compare how they reacted to pain. So they created the reacted to pain. So they created the reacted to pain. So they created the pain using the cold presser test and pain using the cold presser test and pain using the cold presser test and then they measured all kinds of things
15:00then they measured all kinds of things then they measured all kinds of things including salivary testosterone. In men including salivary testosterone. In men including salivary testosterone. In men cold pressure cold stimulation just like cold pressure cold stimulation just like cold pressure cold stimulation just like we would expect reduced salivary we would expect reduced salivary we would expect reduced salivary testosterone. But in women salivary testosterone. But in women salivary testosterone. But in women salivary testosterone went up and right away. testosterone went up and right away. testosterone went up and right away. There are physiological differences There are physiological differences There are physiological differences between men and women of course and between men and women of course and between men and women of course and testosterone is one of the big ones. In testosterone is one of the big ones. In testosterone is one of the big ones. In men, the testosterone is produced in the men, the testosterone is produced in the men, the testosterone is produced in the testes, but in women, they have so testes, but in women, they have so testes, but in women, they have so fewer. They have so much less fewer. They have so much less fewer. They have so much less testosterone than men. About a tenth, testosterone than men. About a tenth, testosterone than men. About a tenth, just generally speaking. Well, it's not just generally speaking. Well, it's not just generally speaking. Well, it's not all made in the ovaries. Only about a all made in the ovaries. Only about a all made in the ovaries. Only about a quarter of women or of the total quarter of women or of the total quarter of women or of the total testosterone in a woman's body is made testosterone in a woman's body is made testosterone in a woman's body is made in the ovaries. It's also made in the in the ovaries. It's also made in the in the ovaries. It's also made in the skin, in the fat cells, and in the skin, in the fat cells, and in the skin, in the fat cells, and in the adrenal glands. Now, in men, these adrenal glands. Now, in men, these adrenal glands. Now, in men, these contributions are insignificant compared contributions are insignificant compared contributions are insignificant compared to what's made in the testes. But in to what's made in the testes. But in to what's made in the testes. But in women, a significant portion of their women, a significant portion of their women, a significant portion of their total body testosterone is made in the total body testosterone is made in the total body testosterone is made in the skin, the adrenal glands, and the fat skin, the adrenal glands, and the fat skin, the adrenal glands, and the fat cells. What do you suppose would
16:00cells. What do you suppose would cells. What do you suppose would stimulate the skin, the adrenal glands, stimulate the skin, the adrenal glands, stimulate the skin, the adrenal glands, and the fat cells better than anything? and the fat cells better than anything? and the fat cells better than anything? Cold water, activation of brown fat. You Cold water, activation of brown fat. You Cold water, activation of brown fat. You got it. And I wonder if some of that got it. And I wonder if some of that got it. And I wonder if some of that proxy fight or flight taps into the the proxy fight or flight taps into the the proxy fight or flight taps into the the the dangerous mama bear. It would make the dangerous mama bear. It would make the dangerous mama bear. It would make sense, would you? to get aggressive, sense, would you? to get aggressive, sense, would you? to get aggressive, rush these adrenals. And it would make rush these adrenals. And it would make rush these adrenals. And it would make sense if testosterone is one of the sense if testosterone is one of the sense if testosterone is one of the things that happens in a woman's body things that happens in a woman's body things that happens in a woman's body when that sympathetic nervous system when that sympathetic nervous system when that sympathetic nervous system fight or flight is activated. And it is fight or flight is activated. And it is fight or flight is activated. And it is instantaneous. But for a long time, I instantaneous. But for a long time, I instantaneous. But for a long time, I hadn't heard from any woman who said, hadn't heard from any woman who said, hadn't heard from any woman who said, you know, I use testo I used ice baths you know, I use testo I used ice baths you know, I use testo I used ice baths to elevate my testosterone until I got a to elevate my testosterone until I got a to elevate my testosterone until I got a call from Pamela Butler and she said, call from Pamela Butler and she said, call from Pamela Butler and she said, uh, I'm in kind of a special situation. uh, I'm in kind of a special situation. uh, I'm in kind of a special situation. and I'm 60 years old, but I was and I'm 60 years old, but I was and I'm 60 years old, but I was surgically menopausal. I've been surgically menopausal. I've been surgically menopausal. I've been menopausal since I had a hysterctomy, menopausal since I had a hysterctomy, menopausal since I had a hysterctomy, right, for decades. Then I had to have right, for decades. Then I had to have right, for decades. Then I had to have my ovaries out. And of course, I've been my ovaries out. And of course, I've been my ovaries out. And of course, I've been on testosterone cream because that takes on testosterone cream because that takes on testosterone cream because that takes a lot of my testosterone out and I feel
17:00a lot of my testosterone out and I feel a lot of my testosterone out and I feel better. There are no FDA approved better. There are no FDA approved better. There are no FDA approved protocols for treating women with low protocols for treating women with low protocols for treating women with low testosterone. So, a clinician has to testosterone. So, a clinician has to testosterone. So, a clinician has to adapt to male protocol and trying to adapt to male protocol and trying to adapt to male protocol and trying to kind of figure it out. And it's probably kind of figure it out. And it's probably kind of figure it out. And it's probably easier for a woman who no longer has a easier for a woman who no longer has a easier for a woman who no longer has a cycle because uh a clinician can get cycle because uh a clinician can get cycle because uh a clinician can get sort of a reliable dosage and say, sort of a reliable dosage and say, sort of a reliable dosage and say, "We're going to keep you in this range." "We're going to keep you in this range." "We're going to keep you in this range." And that's where Pamela Butler was until And that's where Pamela Butler was until And that's where Pamela Butler was until she started doing ice baths. And then no she started doing ice baths. And then no she started doing ice baths. And then no exercise, just the ice baths. Her tea exercise, just the ice baths. Her tea exercise, just the ice baths. Her tea level shot up by a factor of 10. She level shot up by a factor of 10. She level shot up by a factor of 10. She went up she went from 16 to like 164 went up she went from 16 to like 164 went up she went from 16 to like 164 nanogs per deciliter total testosterone. nanogs per deciliter total testosterone. nanogs per deciliter total testosterone. She took these results back to her She took these results back to her She took these results back to her clinician and of course they're like, clinician and of course they're like, clinician and of course they're like, "No more cream for you, right?" But "No more cream for you, right?" But "No more cream for you, right?" But Pamela feels great. You, some women are Pamela feels great. You, some women are Pamela feels great. You, some women are like, "Well, doesn't she have a mustache like, "Well, doesn't she have a mustache like, "Well, doesn't she have a mustache or something?" No, she looks great. She or something?" No, she looks great. She or something?" No, she looks great. She feels great. She's got a lot of energy. feels great. She's got a lot of energy. feels great. She's got a lot of energy. Her libido is doing great. She's going Her libido is doing great. She's going Her libido is doing great. She's going to try it without the cream. But the to try it without the cream. But the to try it without the cream. But the testosterone gives you so much testosterone gives you so much testosterone gives you so much motivation, whether you're male or motivation, whether you're male or motivation, whether you're male or female, so much drive for life that a
18:00female, so much drive for life that a female, so much drive for life that a lot of people who have recovered from lot of people who have recovered from lot of people who have recovered from low tea, they don't want to take any low tea, they don't want to take any low tea, they don't want to take any chances that they might go back. I've chances that they might go back. I've chances that they might go back. I've been there. I've lived it and I been there. I've lived it and I been there. I've lived it and I understand that that hesitation. I don't understand that that hesitation. I don't understand that that hesitation. I don't want to get off it. I'm not willing to want to get off it. I'm not willing to want to get off it. I'm not willing to gamble and I don't ever want to be back gamble and I don't ever want to be back gamble and I don't ever want to be back there again. So, what do I do? Some there again. So, what do I do? Some there again. So, what do I do? Some people think it's crazy and that's okay. people think it's crazy and that's okay. people think it's crazy and that's okay. But I feel great. I'm gonna go sit in But I feel great. I'm gonna go sit in But I feel great. I'm gonna go sit in cold water as often as I can. Cold cold water as often as I can. Cold cold water as often as I can. Cold enough to scare me and long enough to enough to scare me and long enough to enough to scare me and long enough to shiver and then I'm going to get out. shiver and then I'm going to get out. shiver and then I'm going to get out. And then I'm going to go do it. That's And then I'm going to go do it. That's And then I'm going to go do it. That's that's exactly what I do. And we talked that's exactly what I do. And we talked that's exactly what I do. And we talked uh briefly about this. Um I've had a uh briefly about this. Um I've had a uh briefly about this. Um I've had a couple firefighters over and we'll put couple firefighters over and we'll put couple firefighters over and we'll put um weights out on the grass in the um weights out on the grass in the um weights out on the grass in the sunshine and we will do cycles through sunshine and we will do cycles through sunshine and we will do cycles through the cold water on a circuit and that's the cold water on a circuit and that's the cold water on a circuit and that's our recovery round. So, you go in the our recovery round. So, you go in the our recovery round. So, you go in the water for a minute, minute and a half water for a minute, minute and a half water for a minute, minute and a half and try and catch your breath after, you and try and catch your breath after, you and try and catch your breath after, you know, a 60-second dead ass sprint on a know, a 60-second dead ass sprint on a know, a 60-second dead ass sprint on a air bike or on an echoike or one of the air bike or on an echoike or one of the air bike or on an echoike or one of the Schwins that I have and then, you know, Schwins that I have and then, you know, Schwins that I have and then, you know, kettle bell swings or we're doing squat
19:00kettle bell swings or we're doing squat kettle bell swings or we're doing squat thrusters or something that is thrusters or something that is thrusters or something that is um all compound movements with the um all compound movements with the um all compound movements with the exception of the bike. I mean, it's exception of the bike. I mean, it's exception of the bike. I mean, it's still kind of compound. You're moving still kind of compound. You're moving still kind of compound. You're moving your arms on an air bike, but then you your arms on an air bike, but then you your arms on an air bike, but then you have to recover in the cold and we'll do have to recover in the cold and we'll do have to recover in the cold and we'll do that for five or 10 cycles and it is that for five or 10 cycles and it is that for five or 10 cycles and it is just the most just the most just the most and we talked I I don't do CrossFit. and we talked I I don't do CrossFit. and we talked I I don't do CrossFit. I've done it a couple times. It was I've done it a couple times. It was I've done it a couple times. It was extremely difficult. I'd rather fight extremely difficult. I'd rather fight extremely difficult. I'd rather fight people in pajamas for my workout. Um people in pajamas for my workout. Um people in pajamas for my workout. Um that's that's my jiu-jitsu. But um with that's that's my jiu-jitsu. But um with that's that's my jiu-jitsu. But um with that um those ice cycles, those cold that um those ice cycles, those cold that um those ice cycles, those cold water cycles and then going through, I water cycles and then going through, I water cycles and then going through, I wonder if the blood not being viscous wonder if the blood not being viscous wonder if the blood not being viscous and allowing for oxygen and and and allowing for oxygen and and and allowing for oxygen and and offloading carbon dioxide easier through offloading carbon dioxide easier through offloading carbon dioxide easier through the alvolar membranes allows for a more, the alvolar membranes allows for a more, the alvolar membranes allows for a more, you know, potent V2 max while you're you know, potent V2 max while you're you know, potent V2 max while you're exerting and then getting back in and exerting and then getting back in and exerting and then getting back in and having that vasoc constriction and having that vasoc constriction and having that vasoc constriction and forcing out lactic acid from the forcing out lactic acid from the forcing out lactic acid from the periphery. And and I was talking to periphery. And and I was talking to periphery. And and I was talking to Amanda, too. I was like after about two Amanda, too. I was like after about two Amanda, too. I was like after about two or three cycles in the ice, I have to or three cycles in the ice, I have to or three cycles in the ice, I have to stop my workout and go pee. So, I know stop my workout and go pee. So, I know stop my workout and go pee. So, I know I'm flushing lymphatics. I I know that I'm flushing lymphatics. I I know that I'm flushing lymphatics. I I know that I'm doing that and it's wild. And and
20:00I'm doing that and it's wild. And and I'm doing that and it's wild. And and the the few people that have accepted the the few people that have accepted the the few people that have accepted the challenge, my boys do it with me. the challenge, my boys do it with me. the challenge, my boys do it with me. They they think it's fun. How old? Uh my They they think it's fun. How old? Uh my They they think it's fun. How old? Uh my 17-year-old and my 15-year-old. All 17-year-old and my 15-year-old. All 17-year-old and my 15-year-old. All right. And they my my youngest one, he right. And they my my youngest one, he right. And they my my youngest one, he just likes to get his friends from the just likes to get his friends from the just likes to get his friends from the neighborhood to come over and jump in neighborhood to come over and jump in neighborhood to come over and jump in the cold water. And they're they'll the cold water. And they're they'll the cold water. And they're they'll stare at each other very intensely to stare at each other very intensely to stare at each other very intensely to see who's going to be the chicken first. see who's going to be the chicken first. see who's going to be the chicken first. And it's great. It's great. It's it's And it's great. It's great. It's it's And it's great. It's great. It's it's very it's very much he's moaning and and very it's very much he's moaning and and very it's very much he's moaning and and I love it because it's it's a very I love it because it's it's a very I love it because it's it's a very juvenile way to introduce his friends juvenile way to introduce his friends juvenile way to introduce his friends into something that he sees his dad do into something that he sees his dad do into something that he sees his dad do and and I take I take some pride in and and I take I take some pride in and and I take I take some pride in that. But the boys do that same workout that. But the boys do that same workout that. But the boys do that same workout with me and it is with me and it is with me and it is I invite anybody that has a a cold water I invite anybody that has a a cold water I invite anybody that has a a cold water therapy device to move some workout therapy device to move some workout therapy device to move some workout equipment next to it and cycle in and equipment next to it and cycle in and equipment next to it and cycle in and out and in and out if you don't have any out and in and out if you don't have any out and in and out if you don't have any prehosting. It's not though afterwards prehosting. It's not though afterwards prehosting. It's not though afterwards I'm totally energized. You have a lot of I'm totally energized. You have a lot of I'm totally energized. You have a lot of energy. I'll do that sometimes and then energy. I'll do that sometimes and then energy. I'll do that sometimes and then I'll go to jiu-jitsu I'll go to jiu-jitsu I'll go to jiu-jitsu and and I mean I drink a lot of coffee and and I mean I drink a lot of coffee and and I mean I drink a lot of coffee but not that much coffee. How do you but not that much coffee. How do you but not that much coffee. How do you sleep? Fantastic. Yeah. You track your sleep? Fantastic. Yeah. You track your sleep? Fantastic. Yeah. You track your sleep? I do track my sleep. I have a
21:00sleep? I do track my sleep. I have a sleep? I do track my sleep. I have a Whoop. Um I track my sleep often and Whoop. Um I track my sleep often and Whoop. Um I track my sleep often and also um I did notice a difference. I also um I did notice a difference. I also um I did notice a difference. I have grounding sheets. Mhm. And um I'm have grounding sheets. Mhm. And um I'm have grounding sheets. Mhm. And um I'm not not not sure the only thing that I remember and sure the only thing that I remember and sure the only thing that I remember and I haven't slept without them. Well, last I haven't slept without them. Well, last I haven't slept without them. Well, last night we slept without them. There's no night we slept without them. There's no night we slept without them. There's no grounding sheets on that bed that we grounding sheets on that bed that we grounding sheets on that bed that we were on last night at my mom's house. were on last night at my mom's house. were on last night at my mom's house. Um, when I first got the grounding Um, when I first got the grounding Um, when I first got the grounding sheets, I had really vivid dreams for sheets, I had really vivid dreams for sheets, I had really vivid dreams for about a week and a half. It was weird. about a week and a half. It was weird. about a week and a half. It was weird. And then it stopped and I just slept And then it stopped and I just slept And then it stopped and I just slept good, but I do track my sleep. And I do good, but I do track my sleep. And I do good, but I do track my sleep. And I do notice that um if I don't go in cold notice that um if I don't go in cold notice that um if I don't go in cold water for a day or two just because of water for a day or two just because of water for a day or two just because of of work or or just having a busy life, of work or or just having a busy life, of work or or just having a busy life, it's not something every day I'd like to it's not something every day I'd like to it's not something every day I'd like to be able to, but maybe not every day I be able to, but maybe not every day I be able to, but maybe not every day I can fit it in just because I got stuff can fit it in just because I got stuff can fit it in just because I got stuff going on and and uh I know 3 minutes going on and and uh I know 3 minutes going on and and uh I know 3 minutes sounds like nothing, but sometimes it's sounds like nothing, but sometimes it's sounds like nothing, but sometimes it's a lot when you got three kids and three a lot when you got three kids and three a lot when you got three kids and three different practices to go to or whatever different practices to go to or whatever different practices to go to or whatever whatever your schedule's like. Um, but I whatever your schedule's like. Um, but I whatever your schedule's like. Um, but I do notice that, um, if I don't get the
22:00do notice that, um, if I don't get the do notice that, um, if I don't get the cold water in throughout the day, I'll cold water in throughout the day, I'll cold water in throughout the day, I'll be more restless at night. And I do be more restless at night. And I do be more restless at night. And I do track the ice baths when I go on my track the ice baths when I go on my track the ice baths when I go on my whoop and I'll put it in there and the whoop and I'll put it in there and the whoop and I'll put it in there and the time that I did it. So, it's stacked in time that I did it. So, it's stacked in time that I did it. So, it's stacked in there. And, um, it's a very intuitive there. And, um, it's a very intuitive there. And, um, it's a very intuitive um, obviously data in, data out, but the um, obviously data in, data out, but the um, obviously data in, data out, but the analytics as to it'll give you a report analytics as to it'll give you a report analytics as to it'll give you a report every month that says this behavior every month that says this behavior every month that says this behavior increased your sleep or this behavior increased your sleep or this behavior increased your sleep or this behavior decreased your sleep. So, for example, decreased your sleep. So, for example, decreased your sleep. So, for example, um you have alcohol consumption or a um you have alcohol consumption or a um you have alcohol consumption or a meal close to bedtime is is one of those meal close to bedtime is is one of those meal close to bedtime is is one of those selections that you can put in there selections that you can put in there selections that you can put in there every day. It asks you like this little every day. It asks you like this little every day. It asks you like this little questionnaire. What did you do questionnaire. What did you do questionnaire. What did you do yesterday? Did you see natural light yesterday? Did you see natural light yesterday? Did you see natural light upon waking? Were you on your phone 15 upon waking? Were you on your phone 15 upon waking? Were you on your phone 15 minutes before bed? Ask you all these minutes before bed? Ask you all these minutes before bed? Ask you all these weird weird weird questions. Did you ice bath? Did you questions. Did you ice bath? Did you questions. Did you ice bath? Did you sauna? Did you ground? And those are all sauna? Did you ground? And those are all sauna? Did you ground? And those are all on there. And I noticed that me on there. And I noticed that me on there. And I noticed that me answering those questions and then a answering those questions and then a answering those questions and then a month later it's like we noticed that month later it's like we noticed that month later it's like we noticed that you had like a 27% decrease in your deep you had like a 27% decrease in your deep you had like a 27% decrease in your deep sleep. Mhm. If you did an ice bath and sleep. Mhm. If you did an ice bath and sleep. Mhm. If you did an ice bath and that's what it told me. So I was like
23:00that's what it told me. So I was like that's what it told me. So I was like well clearly I know I need to do it well clearly I know I need to do it well clearly I know I need to do it more. So it was just telling me more. So it was just telling me more. So it was just telling me something I already knew. You've been something I already knew. You've been something I already knew. You've been monitoring your heart rate when you're monitoring your heart rate when you're monitoring your heart rate when you're in the ice bath too. Tell me about what in the ice bath too. Tell me about what in the ice bath too. Tell me about what you're seeing there. Um I notice uh well you're seeing there. Um I notice uh well you're seeing there. Um I notice uh well okay going back to the grounding um I do okay going back to the grounding um I do okay going back to the grounding um I do not get as deep of a dive in brada not get as deep of a dive in brada not get as deep of a dive in brada cardartic change from the the sauna cardartic change from the the sauna cardartic change from the the sauna buildup typically is where I'm tracking buildup typically is where I'm tracking buildup typically is where I'm tracking this in contrast therapy getting my my this in contrast therapy getting my my this in contrast therapy getting my my heart rate up pretty high in 150s 160s heart rate up pretty high in 150s 160s heart rate up pretty high in 150s 160s territory really uncomfortable to the territory really uncomfortable to the territory really uncomfortable to the exclusively from the sauna exclusively from the sauna exclusively from the sauna yes I'm I haven't tracked it doing a yes I'm I haven't tracked it doing a yes I'm I haven't tracked it doing a workout okay um but just with the sauna workout okay um but just with the sauna workout okay um but just with the sauna seems to be the easiest way to get seems to be the easiest way to get seems to be the easiest way to get horribly uncomfortable. Right. Everybody horribly uncomfortable. Right. Everybody horribly uncomfortable. Right. Everybody can agree that a super hot sauna for a can agree that a super hot sauna for a can agree that a super hot sauna for a long period of time invokes a little bit long period of time invokes a little bit long period of time invokes a little bit of a panic like I need to get the I need of a panic like I need to get the I need of a panic like I need to get the I need to get out of here. Like I'm I'm to get out of here. Like I'm I'm to get out of here. Like I'm I'm cooking. Mhm. And cooking. Mhm. And cooking. Mhm. And um go out and go right um go out and go right um go out and go right into a cold water uh tub or I'll go
24:00into a cold water uh tub or I'll go into a cold water uh tub or I'll go right into the Morocco. and looking at right into the Morocco. and looking at right into the Morocco. and looking at the graphs of the breakover and the the graphs of the breakover and the the graphs of the breakover and the subsequent dip in your heart rate in my subsequent dip in your heart rate in my subsequent dip in your heart rate in my heart rate heart rate heart rate is is much steeper the dive is much is is much steeper the dive is much is is much steeper the dive is much steeper in a grounded cold plunge and so steeper in a grounded cold plunge and so steeper in a grounded cold plunge and so to to to touch on that but um I mean to to to touch on that but um I mean to to to touch on that but um I mean I'll have drops of 100 beats per minute I'll have drops of 100 beats per minute I'll have drops of 100 beats per minute within you know like whatever the the within you know like whatever the the within you know like whatever the the range is from start to finish but I mean range is from start to finish but I mean range is from start to finish but I mean that's a huge dive okay so you might be that's a huge dive okay so you might be that's a huge dive okay so you might be at 150 in the sauna and go down 50 50 or at 150 in the sauna and go down 50 50 or at 150 in the sauna and go down 50 50 or 40 or 33 is the lowest I've ever gotten 40 or 33 is the lowest I've ever gotten 40 or 33 is the lowest I've ever gotten it. You've gone down to 33 beats per it. You've gone down to 33 beats per it. You've gone down to 33 beats per minute as your heart rate in a cold minute as your heart rate in a cold minute as your heart rate in a cold plunge. Yes. That's remarkable. I didn't plunge. Yes. That's remarkable. I didn't plunge. Yes. That's remarkable. I didn't die. I'm I'm here. You're here. Yeah. I die. I'm I'm here. You're here. Yeah. I die. I'm I'm here. You're here. Yeah. I didn't die. Right. And then when you didn't die. Right. And then when you didn't die. Right. And then when you came out, you kept monitoring. I did. came out, you kept monitoring. I did. came out, you kept monitoring. I did. And I went right back into the sauna, And I went right back into the sauna, And I went right back into the sauna, got a drink of water, went right back got a drink of water, went right back got a drink of water, went right back into the sauna to build that back back into the sauna to build that back back into the sauna to build that back back up and and practice that contrast up and and practice that contrast up and and practice that contrast therapy um on the regular. Um I've
25:00therapy um on the regular. Um I've therapy um on the regular. Um I've posted about the mamleian dive reflex. posted about the mamleian dive reflex. posted about the mamleian dive reflex. Yes. And it's not something that happens Yes. And it's not something that happens Yes. And it's not something that happens when you're in the shower or when you're when you're in the shower or when you're when you're in the shower or when you're doing the cold pressure test. It's not doing the cold pressure test. It's not doing the cold pressure test. It's not something that happens with partial body something that happens with partial body something that happens with partial body cold water immersion. But when you go cold water immersion. But when you go cold water immersion. But when you go all the way up to say your clavicles, all the way up to say your clavicles, all the way up to say your clavicles, your armpits. I go all the way up to my your armpits. I go all the way up to my your armpits. I go all the way up to my jawline. You know, now your body has no jawline. You know, now your body has no jawline. You know, now your body has no choice but to prepare itself to dive. It choice but to prepare itself to dive. It choice but to prepare itself to dive. It thinks you're going in. You're going to thinks you're going in. You're going to thinks you're going in. You're going to go get lobster or gather muscles or go get lobster or gather muscles or go get lobster or gather muscles or maybe you're going to do spear fishing maybe you're going to do spear fishing maybe you're going to do spear fishing or something like your ancient ancestors or something like your ancient ancestors or something like your ancient ancestors would have done. the heart rate goes would have done. the heart rate goes would have done. the heart rate goes down. Even though, and this is down. Even though, and this is down. Even though, and this is counterintuitive, the metabolism is counterintuitive, the metabolism is counterintuitive, the metabolism is going up. You can get a continuous going up. You can get a continuous going up. You can get a continuous ketone monitor and you can see how much ketone monitor and you can see how much ketone monitor and you can see how much fat burning increases as a result. I fat burning increases as a result. I fat burning increases as a result. I mean, it's showing, hey, there's more mean, it's showing, hey, there's more mean, it's showing, hey, there's more ketones in your bloodstream. And that's ketones in your bloodstream. And that's ketones in your bloodstream. And that's part of the fat metabolism. So, you part of the fat metabolism. So, you part of the fat metabolism. So, you know, metabolism is going up and yet know, metabolism is going up and yet know, metabolism is going up and yet heart rate is going down. Breathing will heart rate is going down. Breathing will heart rate is going down. Breathing will slow, your brain will go into a more slow, your brain will go into a more slow, your brain will go into a more meditative state. And all of these are meditative state. And all of these are meditative state. And all of these are designed to allow you to die for however
26:00designed to allow you to die for however designed to allow you to die for however long you need to go down there so you long you need to go down there so you long you need to go down there so you can go find dinner. It's paradoxical how can go find dinner. It's paradoxical how can go find dinner. It's paradoxical how one part of you feels like fight or one part of you feels like fight or one part of you feels like fight or flight. You get the adrenaline rush. flight. You get the adrenaline rush. flight. You get the adrenaline rush. Your liver releases increases your blood Your liver releases increases your blood Your liver releases increases your blood glucose levels by releasing glycogen glucose levels by releasing glycogen glucose levels by releasing glycogen into your bloodstream. Yeah. And it's into your bloodstream. Yeah. And it's into your bloodstream. Yeah. And it's saying we don't know what's going to saying we don't know what's going to saying we don't know what's going to happen, but it's going to be rough and happen, but it's going to be rough and happen, but it's going to be rough and we have to prepare this body for a we have to prepare this body for a we have to prepare this body for a fight. But it takes about 30, 45 fight. But it takes about 30, 45 fight. But it takes about 30, 45 seconds, I've noticed, for your body to seconds, I've noticed, for your body to seconds, I've noticed, for your body to switch. Or maybe it's your brain or your switch. Or maybe it's your brain or your switch. Or maybe it's your brain or your psychology that switches that says, "All psychology that switches that says, "All psychology that switches that says, "All right, there's not going to be a fight. right, there's not going to be a fight. right, there's not going to be a fight. We're going to slow the breathing down. We're going to slow the breathing down. We're going to slow the breathing down. We're going to structure that response. We're going to structure that response. We're going to structure that response. We're going to get meditative. We're We're going to get meditative. We're We're going to get meditative. We're going to slow down the production of going to slow down the production of going to slow down the production of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream so carbon dioxide in the bloodstream so carbon dioxide in the bloodstream so that we can do whatever else is going on that we can do whatever else is going on that we can do whatever else is going on here." And it takes a little bit of here." And it takes a little bit of here." And it takes a little bit of discipline to get yourself to realize discipline to get yourself to realize discipline to get yourself to realize that you're at least in the in the that you're at least in the in the that you're at least in the in the immediate exposure to the cold to stop immediate exposure to the cold to stop immediate exposure to the cold to stop that uncontrollable panting that we we that uncontrollable panting that we we that uncontrollable panting that we we all have to then okay be present, be
27:00all have to then okay be present, be all have to then okay be present, be mindful. It helps me to go underneath mindful. It helps me to go underneath mindful. It helps me to go underneath the water first thing. I do that too. I the water first thing. I do that too. I the water first thing. I do that too. I I have to and and clearly I don't have a I have to and and clearly I don't have a I have to and and clearly I don't have a beautiful long walks that I'm worried beautiful long walks that I'm worried beautiful long walks that I'm worried about having to blow dry and or flat about having to blow dry and or flat about having to blow dry and or flat iron out afterwards. Um, but with that, iron out afterwards. Um, but with that, iron out afterwards. Um, but with that, um, it helps me to realize quickly that um, it helps me to realize quickly that um, it helps me to realize quickly that I'm or at le reflex is super important because le reflex is super important because into which that activates the brown fat into which that activates the brown fat into which that activates the brown fat to keep you warm in the core and cold on to keep you warm in the core and cold on to keep you warm in the core and cold on the outside. the outside. the outside. And metabolic rate is measured in And metabolic rate is measured in And metabolic rate is measured in phosphorilization, how quick we're able phosphorilization, how quick we're able phosphorilization, how quick we're able to reattach phosphorus from ADP to ATP. to reattach phosphorus from ADP to ATP. to reattach phosphorus from ADP to ATP. Mhm. Not necessarily oxygen consumption Mhm. Not necessarily oxygen consumption Mhm. Not necessarily oxygen consumption where people relate a dive reflex to where people relate a dive reflex to where people relate a dive reflex to holding your breath. Yes, you do hold holding your breath. Yes, you do hold holding your breath. Yes, you do hold your breath, but while your metabolic your breath, but while your metabolic your breath, but while your metabolic rate is up and you are using glucose and rate is up and you are using glucose and rate is up and you are using glucose and oxygen in the mitochondria to oxygen in the mitochondria to oxygen in the mitochondria to refphosphize, you're getting a on a
28:00refphosphize, you're getting a on a refphosphize, you're getting a on a healthy individual whether it's a 36 to1 healthy individual whether it's a 36 to1 healthy individual whether it's a 36 to1 um production rate for one glucose um production rate for one glucose um production rate for one glucose molecule and one oxygen molecule to molecule and one oxygen molecule to molecule and one oxygen molecule to create 36. So that means for every one, create 36. So that means for every one, create 36. So that means for every one, you know, I I get to spend 35. So I'm you know, I I get to spend 35. So I'm you know, I I get to spend 35. So I'm able to then conduct cellular activity able to then conduct cellular activity able to then conduct cellular activity and organ function and other things and organ function and other things and organ function and other things while I'm, as your example, underwater while I'm, as your example, underwater while I'm, as your example, underwater gathering lobster doing things. I can gathering lobster doing things. I can gathering lobster doing things. I can continue to function without having to continue to function without having to continue to function without having to take another breath for a few minutes. take another breath for a few minutes. take another breath for a few minutes. Mhm. So I think Mhm. So I think Mhm. So I think oxygen oxygen oxygen respiration versus I'm I'm I'm saying respiration versus I'm I'm I'm saying respiration versus I'm I'm I'm saying this wrong. Ventilation, which we think this wrong. Ventilation, which we think this wrong. Ventilation, which we think of holding our breath versus cellular of holding our breath versus cellular of holding our breath versus cellular respiration and and and your metabolic respiration and and and your metabolic respiration and and and your metabolic rate are two different things that I rate are two different things that I rate are two different things that I think the correlation between the two is think the correlation between the two is think the correlation between the two is not really well understood. Aside from not really well understood. Aside from not really well understood. Aside from people not having brain injuries after people not having brain injuries after people not having brain injuries after being in water for 45 or 65 minutes and being in water for 45 or 65 minutes and being in water for 45 or 65 minutes and being successfully resuscitated once being successfully resuscitated once being successfully resuscitated once they fall through the ice in the lake they fall through the ice in the lake they fall through the ice in the lake and they just oh the million die free
29:00and they just oh the million die free and they just oh the million die free reflex protected him. Do you have a reflex protected him. Do you have a reflex protected him. Do you have a protocol for that call when somebody's protocol for that call when somebody's protocol for that call when somebody's falling through the ice? A matter of falling through the ice? A matter of falling through the ice? A matter of fact, well, I mean, maybe not the ice fact, well, I mean, maybe not the ice fact, well, I mean, maybe not the ice cuz I mean it gets cold where we're at, cuz I mean it gets cold where we're at, cuz I mean it gets cold where we're at, but cold water drownings. Um, and that's but cold water drownings. Um, and that's but cold water drownings. Um, and that's anything I mean, we don't carry a water anything I mean, we don't carry a water anything I mean, we don't carry a water like thermometer around, but any tepid like thermometer around, but any tepid like thermometer around, but any tepid body of water, we resuscitate unless body of water, we resuscitate unless body of water, we resuscitate unless they've been submerged and you have to they've been submerged and you have to they've been submerged and you have to have um verifiable data or evidence that have um verifiable data or evidence that have um verifiable data or evidence that they've been submerged more than 60 they've been submerged more than 60 they've been submerged more than 60 minutes. So, if somebody's in water, we minutes. So, if somebody's in water, we minutes. So, if somebody's in water, we pull them out and we resuscitate them. pull them out and we resuscitate them. pull them out and we resuscitate them. Why? Because the mamleian dive reflex Why? Because the mamleian dive reflex Why? Because the mamleian dive reflex protects you and allows your body to protects you and allows your body to protects you and allows your body to continue to produce through continue to produce through continue to produce through gluconneogenesis through you know gluconneogenesis through you know gluconneogenesis through you know secretion of glycogen from the liver and secretion of glycogen from the liver and secretion of glycogen from the liver and produce more adenosine triphosphate produce more adenosine triphosphate produce more adenosine triphosphate through the process of phosphorilization through the process of phosphorilization through the process of phosphorilization even in a state of enoxia. Okay. So even in a state of enoxia. Okay. So even in a state of enoxia. Okay. So you're talking about resuscitating you're talking about resuscitating you're talking about resuscitating someone no pulse no pulse breathing no someone no pulse no pulse breathing no someone no pulse no pulse breathing no sign of life. Um, that's that's the sign of life. Um, that's that's the sign of life. Um, that's that's the worst possible. Yeah, you put them on
30:00worst possible. Yeah, you put them on worst possible. Yeah, you put them on the cardiac monitor and they're going to the cardiac monitor and they're going to the cardiac monitor and they're going to be, you know, apnneic and and pulseless be, you know, apnneic and and pulseless be, you know, apnneic and and pulseless and unresponsive. Um, what does and unresponsive. Um, what does and unresponsive. Um, what does resuscitation look like? Like like when they come back? No. Uh, Like like when they come back? No. Uh, it sounds like CPR. You're trying to get it sounds like CPR. You're trying to get it sounds like CPR. You're trying to get water out of their lungs if it's there. water out of their lungs if it's there. water out of their lungs if it's there. You're trying Well, there's dry and wet You're trying Well, there's dry and wet You're trying Well, there's dry and wet drowning. Um, so that's going to depend. drowning. Um, so that's going to depend. drowning. Um, so that's going to depend. and you're going to use our stethoscope and you're going to use our stethoscope and you're going to use our stethoscope and listen to lung sounds once we've and listen to lung sounds once we've and listen to lung sounds once we've placed either a basic or an advanced placed either a basic or an advanced placed either a basic or an advanced airway. Um um defibrillation may or may airway. Um um defibrillation may or may airway. Um um defibrillation may or may not be um an option depending on their not be um an option depending on their not be um an option depending on their baseline cardiac rhythm or the baseline cardiac rhythm or the baseline cardiac rhythm or the cardioonic medication that we give them cardioonic medication that we give them cardioonic medication that we give them in a hopes of putting them into a rhythm in a hopes of putting them into a rhythm in a hopes of putting them into a rhythm that can then be corrected by that can then be corrected by that can then be corrected by electricity um or stimulate the electricity um or stimulate the electricity um or stimulate the mechanical side of the heart to then you mechanical side of the heart to then you mechanical side of the heart to then you know start beating on its own hopefully know start beating on its own hopefully know start beating on its own hopefully in an organized fashion. in an organized fashion. in an organized fashion. Um but resuscitation in the field um Um but resuscitation in the field um Um but resuscitation in the field um while TV makes it seem sexy is very while TV makes it seem sexy is very while TV makes it seem sexy is very basic. Um we are giving um a a set
31:00basic. Um we are giving um a a set basic. Um we are giving um a a set schedule of drugs that's afforded to us schedule of drugs that's afforded to us schedule of drugs that's afforded to us through medical control and um there's through medical control and um there's through medical control and um there's there's some protocols that go in place there's some protocols that go in place there's some protocols that go in place and like you said things matter and so and like you said things matter and so and like you said things matter and so does the order. So, we're going to do does the order. So, we're going to do does the order. So, we're going to do the basics before the advanced things the basics before the advanced things the basics before the advanced things and then we're going to move on starting and then we're going to move on starting and then we're going to move on starting an IV, giving medications, doing chest an IV, giving medications, doing chest an IV, giving medications, doing chest compressions, rotating people, doing compressions, rotating people, doing compressions, rotating people, doing chest compressions every preferably 2 chest compressions every preferably 2 chest compressions every preferably 2 minutes. Um, the hospital and other minutes. Um, the hospital and other minutes. Um, the hospital and other areas that are resourcerich have more areas that are resourcerich have more areas that are resourcerich have more people to cycle through, but when it's people to cycle through, but when it's people to cycle through, but when it's just you and your partner in an just you and your partner in an just you and your partner in an ambulance or maybe a firet truck and an ambulance or maybe a firet truck and an ambulance or maybe a firet truck and an ambulance, there's only so many people ambulance, there's only so many people ambulance, there's only so many people to do x amount of jobs. to do x amount of jobs. to do x amount of jobs. Um, it's Um, it's Um, it's a chaotic, beautiful concert of a chaotic, beautiful concert of a chaotic, beautiful concert of individuals trying to bring someone back individuals trying to bring someone back individuals trying to bring someone back um to to the present. Mhm. They're um to to the present. Mhm. They're um to to the present. Mhm. They're they're not with us anymore. and and and they're not with us anymore. and and and they're not with us anymore. and and and uh I think everybody's looked or had the uh I think everybody's looked or had the uh I think everybody's looked or had the um um um opportunity to go to a funeral whether opportunity to go to a funeral whether opportunity to go to a funeral whether you know whether it was a difficult one
32:00you know whether it was a difficult one you know whether it was a difficult one for a close loved one or maybe you were for a close loved one or maybe you were for a close loved one or maybe you were a kid and the only funeral you've ever a kid and the only funeral you've ever a kid and the only funeral you've ever been to was you know for an uncle you been to was you know for an uncle you been to was you know for an uncle you never met and you go to the viewing and never met and you go to the viewing and never met and you go to the viewing and but I think everybody even kids and but I think everybody even kids and but I think everybody even kids and adults alike and loved ones or not adults alike and loved ones or not adults alike and loved ones or not um can uh attest that once that person's um can uh attest that once that person's um can uh attest that once that person's energy speaking of grounding energy speaking of grounding energy speaking of grounding has left the body and gone somewhere has left the body and gone somewhere has left the body and gone somewhere that's just a shell. Mhm. Sometimes on that's just a shell. Mhm. Sometimes on that's just a shell. Mhm. Sometimes on resuscitations you can tell like this is resuscitations you can tell like this is resuscitations you can tell like this is just a shell. There's no energy left. Or just a shell. There's no energy left. Or just a shell. There's no energy left. Or you'll have this feeling amongst your you'll have this feeling amongst your you'll have this feeling amongst your group like this person's still here. We group like this person's still here. We group like this person's still here. We we should try harder. We're going to we should try harder. We're going to we should try harder. We're going to keep going and do more heroic efforts to keep going and do more heroic efforts to keep going and do more heroic efforts to try and resuscitate them. I think that try and resuscitate them. I think that try and resuscitate them. I think that that that vibe, that energy that is in that that vibe, that energy that is in that that vibe, that energy that is in that individual, call it a soul or that individual, call it a soul or that individual, call it a soul or whatever you want to call it um is real. whatever you want to call it um is real. whatever you want to call it um is real. And I mean, if if you think about, you And I mean, if if you think about, you And I mean, if if you think about, you know, the conservation of mass energy know, the conservation of mass energy know, the conservation of mass energy and all these other ideas or theories and all these other ideas or theories and all these other ideas or theories that go with it, energy can't be created that go with it, energy can't be created that go with it, energy can't be created or destroyed. Mhm. It only changes form.
33:00or destroyed. Mhm. It only changes form. or destroyed. Mhm. It only changes form. So, where does it go? Those are all So, where does it go? Those are all So, where does it go? Those are all those questions going on. And we've those questions going on. And we've those questions going on. And we've we've resuscitated people successfully. we've resuscitated people successfully. we've resuscitated people successfully. Uh matter of fact, we just had a Uh matter of fact, we just had a Uh matter of fact, we just had a gentleman come to the fire station and gentleman come to the fire station and gentleman come to the fire station and bring us dinner and sat down with us. We bring us dinner and sat down with us. We bring us dinner and sat down with us. We resuscitated him. Um and uh he was he resuscitated him. Um and uh he was he resuscitated him. Um and uh he was he was very very thankful. He was pulsus was very very thankful. He was pulsus was very very thankful. He was pulsus and abnic. He had a he had a and abnic. He had a he had a and abnic. He had a he had a work-related episode um some type of work-related episode um some type of work-related episode um some type of cardiac event and um we brought him back cardiac event and um we brought him back cardiac event and um we brought him back to life and and that was the first time to life and and that was the first time to life and and that was the first time I ever had somebody come and knock on I ever had somebody come and knock on I ever had somebody come and knock on the fire station door like hey you saved the fire station door like hey you saved the fire station door like hey you saved my life and give me a hug. I I didn't my life and give me a hug. I I didn't my life and give me a hug. I I didn't know what to say. Mhm. It was it was it know what to say. Mhm. It was it was it know what to say. Mhm. It was it was it was a beautiful experience and my crew was a beautiful experience and my crew was a beautiful experience and my crew and took pictures with him and and my and took pictures with him and and my and took pictures with him and and my fire department made a little video fire department made a little video fire department made a little video about his experience being resuscitated about his experience being resuscitated about his experience being resuscitated and and um but he still had the energy and and um but he still had the energy and and um but he still had the energy in him. We felt that like this wasn't I in him. We felt that like this wasn't I in him. We felt that like this wasn't I hate to say a lost cause because we're hate to say a lost cause because we're hate to say a lost cause because we're going to give everybody that chance, but going to give everybody that chance, but going to give everybody that chance, but you can tell the difference between you can tell the difference between you can tell the difference between somebody who's still there or maybe somebody who's still there or maybe somebody who's still there or maybe they've gone to wherever it is we go.
34:00they've gone to wherever it is we go. they've gone to wherever it is we go. And then I think we all argue over how And then I think we all argue over how And then I think we all argue over how to get there. And that's that's the root to get there. And that's that's the root to get there. And that's that's the root over the human condition, you know, over the human condition, you know, over the human condition, you know, whether you're X religion or Y religion whether you're X religion or Y religion whether you're X religion or Y religion or whatever. Like we all agree there's or whatever. Like we all agree there's or whatever. Like we all agree there's something beyond this. It's a matter of something beyond this. It's a matter of something beyond this. It's a matter of faith. We just fight over how we're faith. We just fight over how we're faith. We just fight over how we're supposed to get there. And I think supposed to get there. And I think supposed to get there. And I think that's stupid. I talked to an emergency that's stupid. I talked to an emergency that's stupid. I talked to an emergency room physician. Uh she worked in room physician. Uh she worked in room physician. Uh she worked in Baltimore for decades. She said her rule Baltimore for decades. She said her rule Baltimore for decades. She said her rule was 24 hours on a cold water drum. 24 was 24 hours on a cold water drum. 24 was 24 hours on a cold water drum. 24 hours. They're not dead. She says people hours. They're not dead. She says people hours. They're not dead. She says people have showed up in her hospital and been have showed up in her hospital and been have showed up in her hospital and been resuscitated. For me, it's like brought resuscitated. For me, it's like brought resuscitated. For me, it's like brought back to life, you know, because I don't back to life, you know, because I don't back to life, you know, because I don't work in the medical field, but she says work in the medical field, but she says work in the medical field, but she says you cannot give up on a cold water you cannot give up on a cold water you cannot give up on a cold water drowning because it's not a coma. drowning because it's not a coma. drowning because it's not a coma. Exactly. Like there are no signs of Exactly. Like there are no signs of Exactly. Like there are no signs of life, but she goes 24 hours she's life, but she goes 24 hours she's life, but she goes 24 hours she's brought people back. So there's no brought people back. So there's no brought people back. So there's no bright line. I mean I think she bright line. I mean I think she bright line. I mean I think she mentioned with kids uh not she didn't mentioned with kids uh not she didn't mentioned with kids uh not she didn't say it's easier but they have a longer
35:00say it's easier but they have a longer say it's easier but they have a longer sort of window or through which they can sort of window or through which they can sort of window or through which they can be brought back and I think they're even be brought back and I think they're even be brought back and I think they're even more extreme cases than that. There is more extreme cases than that. There is more extreme cases than that. There is something about the cold that preserves something about the cold that preserves something about the cold that preserves the brain from hypoxic injury when the brain from hypoxic injury when the brain from hypoxic injury when there's no pulse, there's no blood flow, there's no pulse, there's no blood flow, there's no pulse, there's no blood flow, there's no oxygen going anywhere. But there's no oxygen going anywhere. But there's no oxygen going anywhere. But instead of immediately descending into a instead of immediately descending into a instead of immediately descending into a state of decay, there is something about state of decay, there is something about state of decay, there is something about the cold that is keeping things at a the cold that is keeping things at a the cold that is keeping things at a state of stasis until life can be state of stasis until life can be state of stasis until life can be restored. like a like something restored. like a like something restored. like a like something futuristic like a cryosleep or something futuristic like a cryosleep or something futuristic like a cryosleep or something for interstellar travel to something for interstellar travel to something for interstellar travel to something like that. Yeah, 24 hours seems like a like that. Yeah, 24 hours seems like a like that. Yeah, 24 hours seems like a long time. Now you got me thinking about long time. Now you got me thinking about long time. Now you got me thinking about putting a Morasco in space. I should putting a Morasco in space. I should putting a Morasco in space. I should talk to M. But getting into managed care talk to M. But getting into managed care talk to M. But getting into managed care and and alopathic medicine and the and and alopathic medicine and the and and alopathic medicine and the industrial complex of medicine and with industrial complex of medicine and with industrial complex of medicine and with all that like there's a lot of things all that like there's a lot of things all that like there's a lot of things that are just they don't feel right that are just they don't feel right that are just they don't feel right sometimes. And we are supposed to be sometimes. And we are supposed to be sometimes. And we are supposed to be outside in the forest barefoot swimming
36:00outside in the forest barefoot swimming outside in the forest barefoot swimming for lobsters doing all those things. and for lobsters doing all those things. and for lobsters doing all those things. and we've removed oursel through convenience we've removed oursel through convenience we've removed oursel through convenience and and it's it's a slow painful death and and it's it's a slow painful death and and it's it's a slow painful death otherwise like I build machines I'm an otherwise like I build machines I'm an otherwise like I build machines I'm an engineer I don't really understand what engineer I don't really understand what engineer I don't really understand what happens inside the body as well as I happens inside the body as well as I happens inside the body as well as I understand what's happening inside the understand what's happening inside the understand what's happening inside the machine we are not going back to machine we are not going back to machine we are not going back to teepeees and caves um we're going to teepeees and caves um we're going to teepeees and caves um we're going to live in this technological world we're live in this technological world we're live in this technological world we're not ready to give up our heated leather not ready to give up our heated leather not ready to give up our heated leather seats and everything else that makes our seats and everything else that makes our seats and everything else that makes our lives comfortable. The downside is now lives comfortable. The downside is now lives comfortable. The downside is now we have to seek discomfort. We have to we have to seek discomfort. We have to we have to seek discomfort. We have to bring it intentionally into our lives bring it intentionally into our lives bring it intentionally into our lives because all of the technologies that because all of the technologies that because all of the technologies that engineering has given us have made it so engineering has given us have made it so engineering has given us have made it so easy to just sort of live like a sloth. easy to just sort of live like a sloth. easy to just sort of live like a sloth. That's okay. We can create machines that That's okay. We can create machines that That's okay. We can create machines that will replace what has been subtracted will replace what has been subtracted will replace what has been subtracted from our natural environment when we from our natural environment when we from our natural environment when we can't get out into the natural can't get out into the natural can't get out into the natural environment. So far for me, this is the
37:00environment. So far for me, this is the environment. So far for me, this is the ice bath and this is the green light. ice bath and this is the green light. ice bath and this is the green light. second best thing to nature. Exactly. second best thing to nature. Exactly. second best thing to nature. Exactly. Right. Right. And I mean it's it's it's Right. Right. And I mean it's it's it's Right. Right. And I mean it's it's it's the closest thing you're going to get in the closest thing you're going to get in the closest thing you're going to get in my experience to jumping in the river my experience to jumping in the river my experience to jumping in the river with my kids. And I mean one of our with my kids. And I mean one of our with my kids. And I mean one of our favorite most favorite things to do is favorite most favorite things to do is favorite most favorite things to do is go to Big Five or some sporting goods go to Big Five or some sporting goods go to Big Five or some sporting goods store and get a pair of new goggles for store and get a pair of new goggles for store and get a pair of new goggles for the season or or a mask and we're going the season or or a mask and we're going the season or or a mask and we're going to go find a good swimming pool. Go see to go find a good swimming pool. Go see to go find a good swimming pool. Go see what kind of treasures down there. The what kind of treasures down there. The what kind of treasures down there. The water's freezing and the earth is there water's freezing and the earth is there water's freezing and the earth is there and we're barefoot in the sunshine where and we're barefoot in the sunshine where and we're barefoot in the sunshine where we're supposed to be. But to touch on we're supposed to be. But to touch on we're supposed to be. But to touch on your um the machine, human body, any any your um the machine, human body, any any your um the machine, human body, any any animal, we're just meat machines, you animal, we're just meat machines, you animal, we're just meat machines, you know. I think we're a lot more complex know. I think we're a lot more complex know. I think we're a lot more complex than machines. No, no, no. We're a than machines. No, no, no. We're a than machines. No, no, no. We're a system system system of of of articulating organs and tissue working articulating organs and tissue working articulating organs and tissue working together to accomplish a task. Yeah. together to accomplish a task. Yeah. together to accomplish a task. Yeah. Well, while we're sentient, we're Well, while we're sentient, we're Well, while we're sentient, we're conscience and and we have all of these conscience and and we have all of these conscience and and we have all of these other things, you know, like like like other things, you know, like like like other things, you know, like like like feelings, wants, needs, reflexes, and
38:00feelings, wants, needs, reflexes, and feelings, wants, needs, reflexes, and and um and um and um um the word I'm thinking of escapes me, um the word I'm thinking of escapes me, um the word I'm thinking of escapes me, it'll come back. But at the basic it'll come back. But at the basic it'll come back. But at the basic fundamental thing, like I look at the fundamental thing, like I look at the fundamental thing, like I look at the human body as a machine. It is a meat human body as a machine. It is a meat human body as a machine. It is a meat machine. And if this system is not machine. And if this system is not machine. And if this system is not working right, what other systems is it working right, what other systems is it working right, what other systems is it going to affect? So for me in paramedic going to affect? So for me in paramedic going to affect? So for me in paramedic school, it made sense to me being, you school, it made sense to me being, you school, it made sense to me being, you know, auto shop, metal shop, wood shop, know, auto shop, metal shop, wood shop, know, auto shop, metal shop, wood shop, kind of high school guy, liking all kind of high school guy, liking all kind of high school guy, liking all these turning wrenches and building these turning wrenches and building these turning wrenches and building things and stuff. When I went into things and stuff. When I went into things and stuff. When I went into anatomy and physiology and they're anatomy and physiology and they're anatomy and physiology and they're talking about the acromium process and talking about the acromium process and talking about the acromium process and the the the femoral acetabellum and all the the the femoral acetabellum and all the the the femoral acetabellum and all these like, you know, anatomical these like, you know, anatomical these like, you know, anatomical structures I had to memorize. I was structures I had to memorize. I was structures I had to memorize. I was like, torque wrench, screwdriver, okay, like, torque wrench, screwdriver, okay, like, torque wrench, screwdriver, okay, this is just a machine and these are the this is just a machine and these are the this is just a machine and these are the parts of the machine. And I had to parts of the machine. And I had to parts of the machine. And I had to conceptualize it in a way that made conceptualize it in a way that made conceptualize it in a way that made sense. And and and I I kept telling sense. And and and I I kept telling sense. And and and I I kept telling myself, it's just a meat machine. It's myself, it's just a meat machine. It's myself, it's just a meat machine. It's just a meat machine. It's just a meat just a meat machine. It's just a meat just a meat machine. It's just a meat machine cuz that's how my brain works. machine cuz that's how my brain works. machine cuz that's how my brain works. So when I say that, I don't mean to make So when I say that, I don't mean to make So when I say that, I don't mean to make it like sound pjorative. No, we're not it like sound pjorative. No, we're not it like sound pjorative. No, we're not we're not androids or machines or
39:00we're not androids or machines or we're not androids or machines or autonomous things without, you know, a autonomous things without, you know, a autonomous things without, you know, a conscious drive or or conscious drive or or conscious drive or or um or or any of the like. But to me, um or or any of the like. But to me, um or or any of the like. But to me, that's how I like to look at the human that's how I like to look at the human that's how I like to look at the human body is that well, I can fix a machine. body is that well, I can fix a machine. body is that well, I can fix a machine. Mhm. I like to try and think maybe I can Mhm. I like to try and think maybe I can Mhm. I like to try and think maybe I can fix people at least in the short amount fix people at least in the short amount fix people at least in the short amount of time that I and not in a sense of of of time that I and not in a sense of of of time that I and not in a sense of of psychological. There's no Freudian in psychological. There's no Freudian in psychological. There's no Freudian in here to that. It's like resuscitating here to that. It's like resuscitating here to that. It's like resuscitating what we talked about, you know, or what we talked about, you know, or what we talked about, you know, or helping them through some type of uh helping them through some type of uh helping them through some type of uh crisis, you know, whether it's, you crisis, you know, whether it's, you crisis, you know, whether it's, you know, a medical traumatic or psychologic know, a medical traumatic or psychologic know, a medical traumatic or psychologic emergency into which we're called to. emergency into which we're called to. emergency into which we're called to. Um, I mean, Aaron does a lot of Um, I mean, Aaron does a lot of Um, I mean, Aaron does a lot of different things in the CVICU and and different things in the CVICU and and different things in the CVICU and and keeping people alive. like keeping people alive. like keeping people alive. like when when my measures fail, that's where when when my measures fail, that's where when when my measures fail, that's where that's where they go. Once they're res that's where they go. Once they're res that's where they go. Once they're res once they are resuscitated or on the the once they are resuscitated or on the the once they are resuscitated or on the the borderline of not being resuscitable, borderline of not being resuscitable, borderline of not being resuscitable, they go and and she and her team deal they go and and she and her team deal they go and and she and her team deal with that stuff. And that's You were the with that stuff. And that's You were the with that stuff. And that's You were the delivery man. Yep. Just a fancy Uber. delivery man. Yep. Just a fancy Uber. delivery man. Yep. Just a fancy Uber. That's it. A lot of the times that that That's it. A lot of the times that that That's it. A lot of the times that that the the ambulance is indeed sometimes
40:00the the ambulance is indeed sometimes the the ambulance is indeed sometimes you get to the point to where your scope you get to the point to where your scope you get to the point to where your scope of practice limits what you can do. I of practice limits what you can do. I of practice limits what you can do. I I've reached the end of what I can do I've reached the end of what I can do I've reached the end of what I can do for you. Even with online medical for you. Even with online medical for you. Even with online medical control, calling doctors, getting orders control, calling doctors, getting orders control, calling doctors, getting orders for different medications that may be for different medications that may be for different medications that may be considered exotic or or rarely used in a considered exotic or or rarely used in a considered exotic or or rarely used in a circumstance that maybe skirts the circumstance that maybe skirts the circumstance that maybe skirts the fringes of what their normal application fringes of what their normal application fringes of what their normal application is in this in this, you know, course is in this in this, you know, course is in this in this, you know, course instead of emergency, you get on the instead of emergency, you get on the instead of emergency, you get on the phone with the doctor. Hey, I want to do phone with the doctor. Hey, I want to do phone with the doctor. Hey, I want to do X, Y, and Z. It's within my scope of X, Y, and Z. It's within my scope of X, Y, and Z. It's within my scope of practice. But that scope of practice is practice. But that scope of practice is practice. But that scope of practice is still limited in the field. Even for an still limited in the field. Even for an still limited in the field. Even for an advanced life support provider, that's advanced life support provider, that's advanced life support provider, that's why we go to the hospital. We don't why we go to the hospital. We don't why we go to the hospital. We don't leave you in your home like, "Oh, leave you in your home like, "Oh, leave you in your home like, "Oh, paramedics came and they start an IV and paramedics came and they start an IV and paramedics came and they start an IV and okay, we're gone." No, you need to go to okay, we're gone." No, you need to go to okay, we're gone." No, you need to go to higher level of care and that's where higher level of care and that's where higher level of care and that's where you meet the emergency room team and you meet the emergency room team and you meet the emergency room team and then they transfer up into the ICU or then they transfer up into the ICU or then they transfer up into the ICU or cardiovascular ICU and our talk of a cardiovascular ICU and our talk of a cardiovascular ICU and our talk of a resuscitation there. You know, somebody resuscitation there. You know, somebody resuscitation there. You know, somebody with a heart that's not pumping or with a heart that's not pumping or with a heart that's not pumping or working properly um for a many different working properly um for a many different working properly um for a many different reasons and then they're able to then reasons and then they're able to then reasons and then they're able to then carry them through. Those situations carry them through. Those situations carry them through. Those situations usually will kind of segue into managed
41:00usually will kind of segue into managed usually will kind of segue into managed care. now because this person that was care. now because this person that was care. now because this person that was resuscitated might need some type of resuscitated might need some type of resuscitated might need some type of very specific medication for their very specific medication for their very specific medication for their circumstance for the rest of their life. circumstance for the rest of their life. circumstance for the rest of their life. Now I think in contrast most of the Now I think in contrast most of the Now I think in contrast most of the things that we're dealing with in modern things that we're dealing with in modern things that we're dealing with in modern society it makes me like think like no society it makes me like think like no society it makes me like think like no food one problem lots of food lots of food one problem lots of food lots of food one problem lots of food lots of problems like we have a lot of issues problems like we have a lot of issues problems like we have a lot of issues that aren't very specific like what I that aren't very specific like what I that aren't very specific like what I just talked about a person that was just talked about a person that was just talked about a person that was resuscitated that now needs managed care resuscitated that now needs managed care resuscitated that now needs managed care for some type of cardiovascular infarct for some type of cardiovascular infarct for some type of cardiovascular infarct or insult or or whatever the case may be or insult or or whatever the case may be or insult or or whatever the case may be that's very niche that person and while that's very niche that person and while that's very niche that person and while they're not alone and there's a lot of they're not alone and there's a lot of they're not alone and there's a lot of people that have those issues we have on people that have those issues we have on people that have those issues we have on the other side of things. A bunch of the other side of things. A bunch of the other side of things. A bunch of people that are not seeking discomfort, people that are not seeking discomfort, people that are not seeking discomfort, not exerting themselves, making poor not exerting themselves, making poor not exerting themselves, making poor habitual often. Don't get me wrong, I habitual often. Don't get me wrong, I habitual often. Don't get me wrong, I like a cheeseburger and a beer just like like a cheeseburger and a beer just like like a cheeseburger and a beer just like the next guy. But if you do a the next guy. But if you do a the next guy. But if you do a cheeseburger and a beer every day and cheeseburger and a beer every day and cheeseburger and a beer every day and just watch Netflix, what's wrong with a just watch Netflix, what's wrong with a just watch Netflix, what's wrong with a cheeseburger? Nothing's wrong with a cheeseburger? Nothing's wrong with a cheeseburger? Nothing's wrong with a cheeseburger. It's delicious. But if you cheeseburger. It's delicious. But if you cheeseburger. It's delicious. But if you do it all the time, all the time, and
42:00do it all the time, all the time, and do it all the time, all the time, and you're eating pro ultrarocessed foods you're eating pro ultrarocessed foods you're eating pro ultrarocessed foods and you're expecting a pill to make it and you're expecting a pill to make it and you're expecting a pill to make it go away, you're never going to fix it. go away, you're never going to fix it. go away, you're never going to fix it. If you don't go outside, you don't get If you don't go outside, you don't get If you don't go outside, you don't get in the forest, you don't invest the time in the forest, you don't invest the time in the forest, you don't invest the time in yourself, you don't seek the in yourself, you don't seek the in yourself, you don't seek the discomfort, you don't put yourself in a discomfort, you don't put yourself in a discomfort, you don't put yourself in a situation psychologically, physically, situation psychologically, physically, situation psychologically, physically, and metabolically to better yourself, and metabolically to better yourself, and metabolically to better yourself, there's a lot of habituation that comes there's a lot of habituation that comes there's a lot of habituation that comes with I think the the the people that are with I think the the the people that are with I think the the the people that are willing to put themselves into an ice willing to put themselves into an ice willing to put themselves into an ice bath that comes along with those those bath that comes along with those those bath that comes along with those those benefits. So, I'm going to thank you for benefits. So, I'm going to thank you for benefits. So, I'm going to thank you for coming down, sir. It's been great having coming down, sir. It's been great having coming down, sir. It's been great having you on the couch.