Deliberate Cold Exposure Therapy Dr Thomas P Seager the CEO of Morozko Forge
00:00welcome to the biohacking beauty podcast welcome to the biohacking beauty podcast my guest today is dr or well tom my guest today is dr or well tom my guest today is dr or well tom sager phd and uh i'm very excited to sager phd and uh i'm very excited to sager phd and uh i'm very excited to have tom on because tom is as far as i'm have tom on because tom is as far as i'm have tom on because tom is as far as i'm concerned uh the authority in uh codex concerned uh the authority in uh codex concerned uh the authority in uh codex deliberate cold exposure and before deliberate cold exposure and before deliberate cold exposure and before before we kind of get into a before we kind of get into a before we kind of get into a conversation uh tom i'd really like for conversation uh tom i'd really like for conversation uh tom i'd really like for you to introduce yourself and tell us a you to introduce yourself and tell us a you to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about about you thanks for uh little bit about about you thanks for uh little bit about about you thanks for uh pointing out i'm not a medical doctor my pointing out i'm not a medical doctor my pointing out i'm not a medical doctor my degree is a doctor of philosophy i'm an degree is a doctor of philosophy i'm an degree is a doctor of philosophy i'm an engineer actually and i started uh my engineer actually and i started uh my engineer actually and i started uh my faculty career at clarkson university faculty career at clarkson university faculty career at clarkson university where i earned my phd some 20 years ago where i earned my phd some 20 years ago where i earned my phd some 20 years ago now i'm at arizona state and i got into now i'm at arizona state and i got into now i'm at arizona state and i got into studying resilience at first it was studying resilience at first it was studying resilience at first it was infrastructure resilience what happens infrastructure resilience what happens infrastructure resilience what happens when the hurricane comes what happens in when the hurricane comes what happens in when the hurricane comes what happens in the earthquake and because i'm a civil the earthquake and because i'm a civil the earthquake and because i'm a civil engineer what do we do with our power engineer what do we do with our power engineer what do we do with our power systems and our highways and it must
01:00systems and our highways and it must systems and our highways and it must have been four or five years ago i have been four or five years ago i have been four or five years ago i realized that our infrastructure systems realized that our infrastructure systems realized that our infrastructure systems can only be as resilient as our people can only be as resilient as our people can only be as resilient as our people every disaster is a psychological every disaster is a psychological every disaster is a psychological challenge not a challenge of concrete challenge not a challenge of concrete challenge not a challenge of concrete and steel and so this got me and steel and so this got me and steel and so this got me going really deep into how do people going really deep into how do people going really deep into how do people respond to stress same time i was having respond to stress same time i was having respond to stress same time i was having my own stress in my own life my kids my own stress in my own life my kids my own stress in my own life my kids were growing up they were graduating were growing up they were graduating were growing up they were graduating high school graduating from college and high school graduating from college and high school graduating from college and my wife and i had separated so i started my wife and i had separated so i started my wife and i had separated so i started reading everything about reading everything about reading everything about self-improvement i'm like well you know self-improvement i'm like well you know self-improvement i'm like well you know if i'm going to date i really got to get if i'm going to date i really got to get if i'm going to date i really got to get myself back in shape i gotta talk about myself back in shape i gotta talk about myself back in shape i gotta talk about beauty podcasts beauty podcasts beauty podcasts this is a surprise you know you're not this is a surprise you know you're not this is a surprise you know you're not supposed to have dog-faced old guys like supposed to have dog-faced old guys like supposed to have dog-faced old guys like me on your beauty podcast but me on your beauty podcast but me on your beauty podcast but your customers will sort that out for your customers will sort that out for your customers will sort that out for themselves i guess themselves i guess themselves i guess so i started reading everything and one so i started reading everything and one so i started reading everything and one of the books was mike cernovich gorilla of the books was mike cernovich gorilla of the books was mike cernovich gorilla mindset he doesn't even talk about this
02:00mindset he doesn't even talk about this mindset he doesn't even talk about this book anymore i don't know how he feels book anymore i don't know how he feels book anymore i don't know how he feels about the book a lot of the time i'll about the book a lot of the time i'll about the book a lot of the time i'll write something and i'll put it out write something and i'll put it out write something and i'll put it out there in the world and i'll think wow there in the world and i'll think wow there in the world and i'll think wow this is the greatest thing and then 10 this is the greatest thing and then 10 this is the greatest thing and then 10 years later people are emailing me about years later people are emailing me about years later people are emailing me about it and i'm like i don't even know where it and i'm like i don't even know where it and i'm like i don't even know where i put i don't even have a copy of that i put i don't even have a copy of that i put i don't even have a copy of that anymore i don't even want to remember anymore i don't even want to remember anymore i don't even want to remember what i said because what i said because what i said because our ideas change as we learn more and our ideas change as we learn more and our ideas change as we learn more and that's okay that's okay that's okay but one of the things that cernovich was but one of the things that cernovich was but one of the things that cernovich was writing about was taking cold showers writing about was taking cold showers writing about was taking cold showers now now now back then it was kind of novel everybody back then it was kind of novel everybody back then it was kind of novel everybody talks about cold showers now but i'm talks about cold showers now but i'm talks about cold showers now but i'm reading this book and i have a rule reading this book and i have a rule reading this book and i have a rule when i get when i get when i get advice from people who are successful in advice from people who are successful in advice from people who are successful in ways that i want success i have to try ways that i want success i have to try ways that i want success i have to try the advice i have to try it i don't have the advice i have to try it i don't have the advice i have to try it i don't have to take it but i have to try it and that to take it but i have to try it and that to take it but i have to try it and that leaves me open to new ideas and i can leaves me open to new ideas and i can leaves me open to new ideas and i can stay curious stay curious stay curious so i'm like all right i'm going to take so i'm like all right i'm going to take so i'm like all right i'm going to take a cold shower because i read about it in a cold shower because i read about it in a cold shower because i read about it in this book and i'm in there you know this book and i'm in there you know this book and i'm in there you know screw you certain [ __ ] and cause cold
03:00screw you certain [ __ ] and cause cold screw you certain [ __ ] and cause cold showers make me angry and the only way i showers make me angry and the only way i showers make me angry and the only way i can get through it is i'm cussing out can get through it is i'm cussing out can get through it is i'm cussing out this guy i've never met who wrote a good this guy i've never met who wrote a good this guy i've never met who wrote a good book but there's something about my book but there's something about my book but there's something about my mindset that uh that's how i got through mindset that uh that's how i got through mindset that uh that's how i got through the experience and then uh jason my the experience and then uh jason my the experience and then uh jason my former student now my partner at morozco former student now my partner at morozco former student now my partner at morozco forge he asked me have you ever heard of forge he asked me have you ever heard of forge he asked me have you ever heard of vim hoff well no i've never heard of vim hoff well no i've never heard of vim hoff well no i've never heard of anything like this you know i'm i'm an anything like this you know i'm i'm an anything like this you know i'm i'm an engineer i'm working for the army corps engineer i'm working for the army corps engineer i'm working for the army corps i'm working for the navy i'm trying to i'm working for the navy i'm trying to i'm working for the navy i'm trying to keep things you know running under keep things you know running under keep things you know running under what do i care about some crazy dutch what do i care about some crazy dutch what do i care about some crazy dutch mailman you know well jason says there's mailman you know well jason says there's mailman you know well jason says there's this breathing exercise that you do it's this breathing exercise that you do it's this breathing exercise that you do it's relaxing and then you get in an ice bath relaxing and then you get in an ice bath relaxing and then you get in an ice bath and i'm going well these cold showers and i'm going well these cold showers and i'm going well these cold showers suck now why you know if cold shower was suck now why you know if cold shower was suck now why you know if cold shower was not a good experience why would you go not a good experience why would you go not a good experience why would you go further into the ice bath it seems like further into the ice bath it seems like further into the ice bath it seems like that's counter-intuitive but remember that's counter-intuitive but remember that's counter-intuitive but remember amateur amateur amateur i have a rule so jason comes to me and
04:00i have a rule so jason comes to me and i have a rule so jason comes to me and he says you should try not now i gotta he says you should try not now i gotta he says you should try not now i gotta try an ice bath totally different the try an ice bath totally different the try an ice bath totally different the people who are starting with cold people who are starting with cold people who are starting with cold showers showers showers many of them have they talk about the many of them have they talk about the many of them have they talk about the psychological difficulty they talk about psychological difficulty they talk about psychological difficulty they talk about the physical pain many of them face the the physical pain many of them face the the physical pain many of them face the same obstacle that i encounter and then same obstacle that i encounter and then same obstacle that i encounter and then many of them have the same experience many of them have the same experience many of them have the same experience when they go whole body like up to their when they go whole body like up to their when they go whole body like up to their neck neck neck it's it's it's it's it's there's shock right the first 15 30 there's shock right the first 15 30 there's shock right the first 15 30 seconds are tough but then there's a seconds are tough but then there's a seconds are tough but then there's a relaxation relaxation relaxation we measure this in the brain the brain we measure this in the brain the brain we measure this in the brain the brain waves come down into a meditative state waves come down into a meditative state waves come down into a meditative state and even if their toes hurt or their and even if their toes hurt or their and even if their toes hurt or their fingers hurt there's some things you can fingers hurt there's some things you can fingers hurt there's some things you can do when i started i tucked them under my do when i started i tucked them under my do when i started i tucked them under my armpits i left my toes out of the water armpits i left my toes out of the water armpits i left my toes out of the water and i got this incredibly and i got this incredibly and i got this incredibly different experience it was it built different experience it was it built different experience it was it built resilience in me it meant that i could resilience in me it meant that i could resilience in me it meant that i could go into the challenging situation and i go into the challenging situation and i go into the challenging situation and i could take control of my mind my could take control of my mind my could take control of my mind my thoughts and my body and i could come
05:00thoughts and my body and i could come thoughts and my body and i could come through that difficulty feeling stronger through that difficulty feeling stronger through that difficulty feeling stronger and more energized and more energized and more energized so so so jason and i were buying you know 220 jason and i were buying you know 220 jason and i were buying you know 220 pounds of ice every weekend because pounds of ice every weekend because pounds of ice every weekend because right i live in phoenix and even though right i live in phoenix and even though right i live in phoenix and even though i started the we'll call them cold i started the we'll call them cold i started the we'll call them cold showers in the wintertime you know when showers in the wintertime you know when showers in the wintertime you know when the water is like 50 something degrees the water is like 50 something degrees the water is like 50 something degrees in phoenix by the time right now it's in phoenix by the time right now it's in phoenix by the time right now it's may water is already up to the 80 like may water is already up to the 80 like may water is already up to the 80 like low 70s and this summer we're going to low 70s and this summer we're going to low 70s and this summer we're going to be filling up the forage with like 90 be filling up the forage with like 90 be filling up the forage with like 90 degree water because i there's no cold degree water because i there's no cold degree water because i there's no cold shower for me shower for me shower for me by 220 pounds of ice we fill it up in by 220 pounds of ice we fill it up in by 220 pounds of ice we fill it up in this stock tank and 15 minutes later we this stock tank and 15 minutes later we this stock tank and 15 minutes later we got three people through and it's all got three people through and it's all got three people through and it's all melted melted melted so so jason and i said we got to do something jason and i said we got to do something jason and i said we got to do something about this at that time there was no about this at that time there was no about this at that time there was no such thing as an ice bath company there such thing as an ice bath company there such thing as an ice bath company there wasn't even a cold plunge in company but wasn't even a cold plunge in company but wasn't even a cold plunge in company but we're engineers and we said all right we're engineers and we said all right we're engineers and we said all right you know we're going to buy some stuff you know we're going to buy some stuff you know we're going to buy some stuff and we're going to figure it out we're
06:00and we're going to figure it out we're and we're going to figure it out we're going to take apart some freezers you going to take apart some freezers you going to take apart some freezers you know refrigeration it's a 100 year old know refrigeration it's a 100 year old know refrigeration it's a 100 year old technology we gotta figure that technology we gotta figure that technology we gotta figure that i'ma take it cost me like sixty thousand i'ma take it cost me like sixty thousand i'ma take it cost me like sixty thousand dollars in credit card expenses you know dollars in credit card expenses you know dollars in credit card expenses you know buying stuff breaking it throwing it buying stuff breaking it throwing it buying stuff breaking it throwing it away away away figuring out how to make it work in the figuring out how to make it work in the figuring out how to make it work in the desert desert desert and then uh we still have pictures of we and then uh we still have pictures of we and then uh we still have pictures of we call it forge one call it forge one call it forge one what an incredibly ugly piece of crap what an incredibly ugly piece of crap what an incredibly ugly piece of crap that old jalopy is like it was the worst that old jalopy is like it was the worst that old jalopy is like it was the worst thing you can ever imagine but it made thing you can ever imagine but it made thing you can ever imagine but it made ice ice ice and so we had a party and we're like hey and so we had a party and we're like hey and so we had a party and we're like hey we're gonna show everybody off our we're gonna show everybody off our we're gonna show everybody off our contraption um contraption um contraption um and people really liked it so and people really liked it so and people really liked it so we put one we put a picture we put one we put a picture we put one we put a picture up on etsy this was how little we knew up on etsy this was how little we knew up on etsy this was how little we knew about anything back then we put a about anything back then we put a about anything back then we put a picture up on etsy and we're like yeah picture up on etsy and we're like yeah picture up on etsy and we're like yeah people like this a friend of ours you people like this a friend of ours you people like this a friend of ours you know bought one uh we should see if know bought one uh we should see if know bought one uh we should see if anybody out there and sure enough anybody out there and sure enough anybody out there and sure enough some guy in san francisco uh he's pretty
07:00some guy in san francisco uh he's pretty some guy in san francisco uh he's pretty open about it i can tell you winston um open about it i can tell you winston um open about it i can tell you winston um whom if you're in biohacking on the west whom if you're in biohacking on the west whom if you're in biohacking on the west coast you probably know winston ibrahim coast you probably know winston ibrahim coast you probably know winston ibrahim uh he said you have no idea what it took uh he said you have no idea what it took uh he said you have no idea what it took for me to track you guys down but i've for me to track you guys down but i've for me to track you guys down but i've been looking for a product like this for been looking for a product like this for been looking for a product like this for years and i finally found that picture years and i finally found that picture years and i finally found that picture you put up on the etsy we were so you put up on the etsy we were so you put up on the etsy we were so embarrassed we were like oh my god we embarrassed we were like oh my god we embarrassed we were like oh my god we still have that thing we got to get that still have that thing we got to get that still have that thing we got to get that thing off of there but we sold winston a thing off of there but we sold winston a thing off of there but we sold winston a forge he introduced us to some people forge he introduced us to some people forge he introduced us to some people we're the only thing we're the only thing we're the only thing like it like it like it and and and that's how morozco forge that's how morozco forge that's how morozco forge got started so there's this torturous got started so there's this torturous got started so there's this torturous path through path through path through civil engineering civil engineering civil engineering to concern about health to to concern about health to to concern about health to concern about resilience and especially concern about resilience and especially concern about resilience and especially psychological resilience psychological resilience psychological resilience most people they know about cold showers most people they know about cold showers most people they know about cold showers they know about ice baths maybe they they know about ice baths maybe they they know about ice baths maybe they were athletes in high school or college were athletes in high school or college were athletes in high school or college and they're used to ice baths for and they're used to ice baths for and they're used to ice baths for recovery we don't market like that at recovery we don't market like that at recovery we don't market like that at all
08:00all all we don't we don't we don't you we don't say the ice bath is good you we don't say the ice bath is good you we don't say the ice bath is good for recovery for recovery for recovery we say exercise is good for recovery we say exercise is good for recovery we say exercise is good for recovery from your ice bath not the other way from your ice bath not the other way from your ice bath not the other way around and we have discovered so much around and we have discovered so much around and we have discovered so much about deliberate cold exposure mostly about deliberate cold exposure mostly about deliberate cold exposure mostly because i'm a library guy i know how to because i'm a library guy i know how to because i'm a library guy i know how to read the journal articles i'm a read the journal articles i'm a read the journal articles i'm a scientist and so we experiment on scientist and so we experiment on scientist and so we experiment on ourselves ourselves ourselves most of the wonderful things we've most of the wonderful things we've most of the wonderful things we've learned have been by accident and that's learned have been by accident and that's learned have been by accident and that's okay but you have a happy accident you okay but you have a happy accident you okay but you have a happy accident you go into the library and you try and go into the library and you try and go into the library and you try and figure out what just happened and sure figure out what just happened and sure figure out what just happened and sure enough all the mechanisms are there enough all the mechanisms are there enough all the mechanisms are there it was really hard at first to get it was really hard at first to get it was really hard at first to get jason's wife adrian jason's wife adrian jason's wife adrian into the forge because she's like i grew into the forge because she's like i grew into the forge because she's like i grew up in florida i'm an arizona girl i hate up in florida i'm an arizona girl i hate up in florida i'm an arizona girl i hate being cold it gets down to 75 degrees in being cold it gets down to 75 degrees in being cold it gets down to 75 degrees in phoenix i gotta put on a cap you know phoenix i gotta put on a cap you know phoenix i gotta put on a cap you know there's this term called phoenix wimp there's this term called phoenix wimp there's this term called phoenix wimp where where where and it's i hear from people all the time and it's i hear from people all the time and it's i hear from people all the time you know oh no no i get cold it's 75.
09:00you know oh no no i get cold it's 75. you know oh no no i get cold it's 75. well heck clarkson university i woke up well heck clarkson university i woke up well heck clarkson university i woke up three degrees from clarkson it's three degrees from clarkson it's three degrees from clarkson it's northern new york it's north of lake northern new york it's north of lake northern new york it's north of lake placid it's like the the 101st airborne placid it's like the the 101st airborne placid it's like the the 101st airborne trains at the same latitude in northern trains at the same latitude in northern trains at the same latitude in northern new york as clarkson does because of all new york as clarkson does because of all new york as clarkson does because of all the freaking snow and if it got up to 50 the freaking snow and if it got up to 50 the freaking snow and if it got up to 50 degrees before finals week we were out degrees before finals week we were out degrees before finals week we were out there playing frisbee you know in our there playing frisbee you know in our there playing frisbee you know in our shorts with no shirt we were like wow shorts with no shirt we were like wow shorts with no shirt we were like wow this is great it's all relative how this is great it's all relative how this is great it's all relative how could these phoenix wimps get cold at 70 could these phoenix wimps get cold at 70 could these phoenix wimps get cold at 70 something degrees something degrees something degrees and i had to go to the library turns out and i had to go to the library turns out and i had to go to the library turns out they don't have any brown fat they don't have any brown fat they don't have any brown fat it turns out that if you spend your it turns out that if you spend your it turns out that if you spend your whole life as adrian did whole life as adrian did whole life as adrian did away from the cold and you tell yourself away from the cold and you tell yourself away from the cold and you tell yourself a story about how oh you can't tolerate a story about how oh you can't tolerate a story about how oh you can't tolerate the cold you don't like the cold the the cold you don't like the cold the the cold you don't like the cold the brown fat disappears from your body and brown fat disappears from your body and brown fat disappears from your body and it's only been about 12 years it's only been about 12 years it's only been about 12 years that uh that uh that uh medical scientists have even been able medical scientists have even been able medical scientists have even been able to do detect advances in pet imaging to do detect advances in pet imaging to do detect advances in pet imaging allowed us to detect brown fat and we're
10:00allowed us to detect brown fat and we're allowed us to detect brown fat and we're like wow we thought people just lost it like wow we thought people just lost it like wow we thought people just lost it as adults all babies have it we thought as adults all babies have it we thought as adults all babies have it we thought it just goes away no it doesn't some it just goes away no it doesn't some it just goes away no it doesn't some good studies on um like finnish good studies on um like finnish good studies on um like finnish policemen uh swedish garbage collectors policemen uh swedish garbage collectors policemen uh swedish garbage collectors you know people who work outside you know people who work outside you know people who work outside fishermen in alaska they have plenty of fishermen in alaska they have plenty of fishermen in alaska they have plenty of brown fat because they're exposed to the brown fat because they're exposed to the brown fat because they're exposed to the cold adrian had none cold adrian had none cold adrian had none so so i go i go i go back into the library and i said well back into the library and i said well back into the library and i said well what does this brown fat do called what does this brown fat do called what does this brown fat do called thermogenesis the you'd think the sole thermogenesis the you'd think the sole thermogenesis the you'd think the sole purpose of brown fat to read the purpose of brown fat to read the purpose of brown fat to read the literature was to burn glucose in your literature was to burn glucose in your literature was to burn glucose in your bloodstream to burn the lipids that are bloodstream to burn the lipids that are bloodstream to burn the lipids that are stored in your white fat to keep you stored in your white fat to keep you stored in your white fat to keep you warm in the cold and it makes sense warm in the cold and it makes sense warm in the cold and it makes sense because homo sapiens had to come through because homo sapiens had to come through because homo sapiens had to come through all these ice ages okay great but it all these ice ages okay great but it all these ice ages okay great but it does something else it signals the does something else it signals the does something else it signals the thyroid the thyroid controls metabolism thyroid the thyroid controls metabolism thyroid the thyroid controls metabolism and the thyroid stimulates the brown fat and the thyroid stimulates the brown fat and the thyroid stimulates the brown fat but the brown fat but the brown fat but the brown fat modulates the thyroid modulates the thyroid modulates the thyroid in human beings who've had
11:00in human beings who've had in human beings who've had thyroidectomies for whatever reason thyroidectomies for whatever reason thyroidectomies for whatever reason they discovered there's still a thyroid they discovered there's still a thyroid they discovered there's still a thyroid stimulating hormone in their bloodstream stimulating hormone in their bloodstream stimulating hormone in their bloodstream and they go and they go and they go what how does that make any sense what what how does that make any sense what what how does that make any sense what you have no thyroid to stimulate but you have no thyroid to stimulate but you have no thyroid to stimulate but your body's trying like that's kind of your body's trying like that's kind of your body's trying like that's kind of weird they measured the brown fat and weird they measured the brown fat and weird they measured the brown fat and they measure in each of these subjects they measure in each of these subjects they measure in each of these subjects and then they measured the levels of and then they measured the levels of and then they measured the levels of thyroid stimulating hormone and sure thyroid stimulating hormone and sure thyroid stimulating hormone and sure enough the more brown fat the more enough the more brown fat the more enough the more brown fat the more thyroid stimulating hormone adrian's thyroid stimulating hormone adrian's thyroid stimulating hormone adrian's thyroid was dysregulated because she had thyroid was dysregulated because she had thyroid was dysregulated because she had no brown fat or thyroids all over the no brown fat or thyroids all over the no brown fat or thyroids all over the place she suffered from hashimoto's place she suffered from hashimoto's place she suffered from hashimoto's hypothyroidism she was on something like hypothyroidism she was on something like hypothyroidism she was on something like 17 different prescriptions when she got 17 different prescriptions when she got 17 different prescriptions when she got into the forge she began to recruit the into the forge she began to recruit the into the forge she began to recruit the brown fat brown fat brown fat it stabilized her thyroid a couple years it stabilized her thyroid a couple years it stabilized her thyroid a couple years ago she got a clean blood work her ago she got a clean blood work her ago she got a clean blood work her doctor was like where did your doctor was like where did your doctor was like where did your hashimoto's go you know that's a hashimoto's go you know that's a hashimoto's go you know that's a lifetime chronic degenerative disease lifetime chronic degenerative disease lifetime chronic degenerative disease and you're totally resolved and adrian's and you're totally resolved and adrian's and you're totally resolved and adrian's like i don't know now she says you can
12:00like i don't know now she says you can like i don't know now she says you can ask me about where do my egg allergies ask me about where do my egg allergies ask me about where do my egg allergies go you can ask me about all the go you can ask me about all the go you can ask me about all the autoimmune dysregulation that i had autoimmune dysregulation that i had autoimmune dysregulation that i had because she reintroduced cold exposure because she reintroduced cold exposure because she reintroduced cold exposure back into her life she recruited brown back into her life she recruited brown back into her life she recruited brown fat she stabilized her thyroid a lot of fat she stabilized her thyroid a lot of fat she stabilized her thyroid a lot of these complex mechanisms in her body these complex mechanisms in her body these complex mechanisms in her body have resolved that's resilience have resolved that's resilience have resolved that's resilience resilience is resilience is resilience is the eustress the hormesis effect when the eustress the hormesis effect when the eustress the hormesis effect when you intentionally deliberately you intentionally deliberately you intentionally deliberately stress your body stress your body stress your body you give your body a chance to respond you give your body a chance to respond you give your body a chance to respond to that stress in a way that makes you to that stress in a way that makes you to that stress in a way that makes you stronger and healthier we're supposed to stronger and healthier we're supposed to stronger and healthier we're supposed to be doing it not in an accidental way but be doing it not in an accidental way but be doing it not in an accidental way but in a deliberate way this is why we in a deliberate way this is why we in a deliberate way this is why we picked up on huberman i don't know if he picked up on huberman i don't know if he picked up on huberman i don't know if he coined the term it's in the literature coined the term it's in the literature coined the term it's in the literature but human use hubermann from stanford he but human use hubermann from stanford he but human use hubermann from stanford he uses the term uses the term uses the term deliberate cold exposure deliberate cold exposure deliberate cold exposure and and the key here the key here the key here is doing it deliberately with intention is doing it deliberately with intention is doing it deliberately with intention with a mindfulness
13:00with a mindfulness with a mindfulness and that way and that way and that way you know we have a meditation adrian has you know we have a meditation adrian has you know we have a meditation adrian has a whole protocol that helps you a whole protocol that helps you a whole protocol that helps you get the most out of your stressful get the most out of your stressful get the most out of your stressful experience by reminding yourself how experience by reminding yourself how experience by reminding yourself how this is good for you so i still do this is good for you so i still do this is good for you so i still do resilient infrastructure research i resilient infrastructure research i resilient infrastructure research i still have these contracts with the still have these contracts with the still have these contracts with the department of defense to talk about how department of defense to talk about how department of defense to talk about how do we we got a good one on surprise how do we we got a good one on surprise how do we we got a good one on surprise how do we handle the surprise how do we do we handle the surprise how do we do we handle the surprise how do we train people to better operate in the train people to better operate in the train people to better operate in the context of surprise and it's wonderful context of surprise and it's wonderful context of surprise and it's wonderful but more and more of my energy is going but more and more of my energy is going but more and more of my energy is going into what i call into what i call into what i call the missing pillar of sustainability the missing pillar of sustainability the missing pillar of sustainability health health health yes we got economy we got society we got yes we got economy we got society we got yes we got economy we got society we got environment these things have always environment these things have always environment these things have always been important to me but health is more been important to me but health is more been important to me but health is more than just access to allopathic medicine than just access to allopathic medicine than just access to allopathic medicine or to institutional health care health or to institutional health care health or to institutional health care health is about the quality of your life and it is about the quality of your life and it is about the quality of your life and it requires this deliberate approach requires this deliberate approach requires this deliberate approach especially in the industrial world in
14:00especially in the industrial world in especially in the industrial world in which we live this deliberate approach which we live this deliberate approach which we live this deliberate approach to introducing the right stressors so to introducing the right stressors so to introducing the right stressors so that your body which knows how to take that your body which knows how to take that your body which knows how to take care of itself but your body has a care of itself but your body has a care of itself but your body has a chance to respond to those stress chance to respond to those stress chance to respond to those stress signals and up your overall level of signals and up your overall level of signals and up your overall level of well-being yeah and and that's very well-being yeah and and that's very well-being yeah and and that's very interesting that we interesting that we interesting that we we are kind of we are kind of we are kind of maybe taking a pause in in this maybe taking a pause in in this maybe taking a pause in in this beautiful journey that you're taking us beautiful journey that you're taking us beautiful journey that you're taking us through but uh taking a pause in through but uh taking a pause in through but uh taking a pause in in uh making things deliberate because in uh making things deliberate because in uh making things deliberate because there is actually different there is actually different there is actually different neurochemistry and that's probably why neurochemistry and that's probably why neurochemistry and that's probably why huberman is very attracted to it when huberman is very attracted to it when huberman is very attracted to it when you're doing something with the you're doing something with the you're doing something with the intention of exposing your yourself to intention of exposing your yourself to intention of exposing your yourself to hardship rather than hardship rather than hardship rather than getting exposed to hardship maybe getting exposed to hardship maybe getting exposed to hardship maybe randomly or against your will it's a randomly or against your will it's a randomly or against your will it's a completely different completely different completely different modality and the reason modality and the reason modality and the reason i specifically love deliberate cold i specifically love deliberate cold i specifically love deliberate cold exposure uh getting into one of your exposure uh getting into one of your exposure uh getting into one of your wonderful forge uh ice baths wonderful forge uh ice baths wonderful forge uh ice baths uh is because uh is because uh is because to me
15:00to me to me it was a journey of understanding that it was a journey of understanding that it was a journey of understanding that it too shall pass kind of kind of it too shall pass kind of kind of it too shall pass kind of kind of journey journey journey uh getting through different stages of uh getting through different stages of uh getting through different stages of my mind kind of battling against it and my mind kind of battling against it and my mind kind of battling against it and kind of coming through the other end kind of coming through the other end kind of coming through the other end saying oh i can stay here as long as i saying oh i can stay here as long as i saying oh i can stay here as long as i want and and that is a very actually a want and and that is a very actually a want and and that is a very actually a very condensed process i feel kind of very condensed process i feel kind of very condensed process i feel kind of educating the brain educating the brain educating the brain or you know our psyche or our or you know our psyche or our or you know our psyche or our subconscious to subconscious to subconscious to whatever state i'm in right now if i whatever state i'm in right now if i whatever state i'm in right now if i just withstand this state if i just just withstand this state if i just just withstand this state if i just reconnect to something within myself reconnect to something within myself reconnect to something within myself there is another stage coming within the there is another stage coming within the there is another stage coming within the span of a few minutes is magical it is span of a few minutes is magical it is span of a few minutes is magical it is very very very difficult to um very very very difficult to um very very very difficult to um to experience there is a to experience there is a to experience there is a uh one of the um uh one of the um uh one of the um one pompey which is one of the most one pompey which is one of the most one pompey which is one of the most famous um famous um famous um roman leaders roman leaders roman leaders um he had a very interesting um
16:00um he had a very interesting um um he had a very interesting um point where where he was um you know he point where where he was um you know he point where where he was um you know he was basically out of out of luck was basically out of out of luck was basically out of out of luck out of uh favor out of uh favor out of uh favor i can relate i can relate i can relate yeah yeah yeah and and um um um he was pretty pretty uh you know pretty he was pretty pretty uh you know pretty he was pretty pretty uh you know pretty advanced uh in age at the time advanced uh in age at the time advanced uh in age at the time uh and he was basically saying i don't uh and he was basically saying i don't uh and he was basically saying i don't know if i will know if i will know if i will uh have enough life in me in order to to uh have enough life in me in order to to uh have enough life in me in order to to basically basically basically stay in this world until my luck changes stay in this world until my luck changes stay in this world until my luck changes and normally it is a process we and normally it is a process we and normally it is a process we it is a very uncertain process we kind it is a very uncertain process we kind it is a very uncertain process we kind of we kind of touched on uncertainty and of we kind of touched on uncertainty and of we kind of touched on uncertainty and military and i can tell you from my military and i can tell you from my military and i can tell you from my military experience that's one of the military experience that's one of the military experience that's one of the things that the military military things that the military military things that the military military especially like high level units is especially like high level units is especially like high level units is trying to instill in you trying to instill in you trying to instill in you um being calm in face of uncertainty um being calm in face of uncertainty um being calm in face of uncertainty and normally it's extremely difficult and normally it's extremely difficult and normally it's extremely difficult because what you need to do is to play because what you need to do is to play because what you need to do is to play mind games in order to become uncertain
17:00mind games in order to become uncertain mind games in order to become uncertain it's part of it and what is magical it's part of it and what is magical it's part of it and what is magical about deliberate cold exposure about deliberate cold exposure about deliberate cold exposure especially ice fat because when we're especially ice fat because when we're especially ice fat because when we're saying deliberate cold exposure we can saying deliberate cold exposure we can saying deliberate cold exposure we can just go outside in the winter so just go outside in the winter so just go outside in the winter so especially something as extreme as an especially something as extreme as an especially something as extreme as an ice bath 35 34 36 degrees ice bath 35 34 36 degrees ice bath 35 34 36 degrees is that is that is that the the brain is going to get uncertain the the brain is going to get uncertain the the brain is going to get uncertain almost like never mind what almost like never mind what almost like never mind what you're going to get that 15 31 minutes you're going to get that 15 31 minutes you're going to get that 15 31 minutes of uncertainty even if you know it's of uncertainty even if you know it's of uncertainty even if you know it's going to pass and educating yourself going to pass and educating yourself going to pass and educating yourself that it's going to pass is that it's going to pass is that it's going to pass is is uh magical as a is a life tool which is uh magical as a is a life tool which is uh magical as a is a life tool which goes way beyond goes way beyond goes way beyond the the the instantaneous instantaneous instantaneous uh only physical health benefits and i uh only physical health benefits and i uh only physical health benefits and i agree with you that this is a very agree with you that this is a very agree with you that this is a very unique and important way to uh unique and important way to uh unique and important way to uh to to address um to to address um to to address um you know the morocco forge and you know the morocco forge and you know the morocco forge and deliberate cold exposure deliberate cold exposure but if we yeah go ahead your brain is in
18:00but if we yeah go ahead your brain is in but if we yeah go ahead your brain is in constant communication with the cells of constant communication with the cells of constant communication with the cells of your body it's the way your body it's the way your body it's the way human beings exist in this world it has human beings exist in this world it has human beings exist in this world it has to be that way to be that way to be that way the cells of your body are also in the cells of your body are also in the cells of your body are also in constant communication with your brain constant communication with your brain constant communication with your brain so so when you first get into the forge when you first get into the forge when you first get into the forge every cell in your body is saying to every cell in your body is saying to every cell in your body is saying to your brain get us out of here we're your brain get us out of here we're your brain get us out of here we're gonna die you know they're they're in a gonna die you know they're they're in a gonna die you know they're they're in a panic mode and it can create in your panic mode and it can create in your panic mode and it can create in your brain brain brain anxiety there's a difference between anxiety there's a difference between anxiety there's a difference between fear and anxiety fear and anxiety fear and anxiety fear is something that's happening in fear is something that's happening in fear is something that's happening in the present moment and it's entirely the present moment and it's entirely the present moment and it's entirely appropriate to to these conditions it appropriate to to these conditions it appropriate to to these conditions it will help keep you alive it will help will help keep you alive it will help will help keep you alive it will help sharpen your focus nothing wrong with sharpen your focus nothing wrong with sharpen your focus nothing wrong with fear but we often confuse fear and fear but we often confuse fear and fear but we often confuse fear and anxiety anxiety exists only in the anxiety anxiety exists only in the anxiety anxiety exists only in the future it's the final exam you haven't future it's the final exam you haven't future it's the final exam you haven't taken yet you know it's the thing oh my taken yet you know it's the thing oh my taken yet you know it's the thing oh my gosh you teach your teenage girl how to
19:00gosh you teach your teenage girl how to gosh you teach your teenage girl how to drive the car and she gets your license drive the car and she gets your license drive the car and she gets your license and you handle the keys nothing bad has and you handle the keys nothing bad has and you handle the keys nothing bad has happened but happened but happened but in my case i'm anxious about what in my case i'm anxious about what in my case i'm anxious about what happens when she go well in my case you happens when she go well in my case you happens when she go well in my case you know know know she hit a car in a parking lot all right she hit a car in a parking lot all right she hit a car in a parking lot all right hey is everybody okay we're like hey is everybody okay we're like hey is everybody okay we're like i'm not worried about that anxiety is i'm not worried about that anxiety is i'm not worried about that anxiety is something that is made up in our something that is made up in our something that is made up in our imagination it is fear that exists only imagination it is fear that exists only imagination it is fear that exists only in the future in the future in the future so i read a good book uh bruce lipton so i read a good book uh bruce lipton so i read a good book uh bruce lipton the biology of belief the biology of belief the biology of belief he says the cells in our body have no he says the cells in our body have no he says the cells in our body have no choice but to respond to our thoughts choice but to respond to our thoughts choice but to respond to our thoughts because they're biochemically connected because they're biochemically connected because they're biochemically connected electrically connected they have to do electrically connected they have to do electrically connected they have to do what the their biochemical and what the their biochemical and what the their biochemical and electrical environment tells them to do electrical environment tells them to do electrical environment tells them to do you get into the fort and every single you get into the fort and every single you get into the fort and every single cell in your body is trying to tell your cell in your body is trying to tell your cell in your body is trying to tell your brain to get you out of here not because brain to get you out of here not because brain to get you out of here not because anything bad is happening or has
20:00anything bad is happening or has anything bad is happening or has happened but because you are afraid and happened but because you are afraid and happened but because you are afraid and i should say in the future you're i should say in the future you're i should say in the future you're anxious about what might happen anxious about what might happen anxious about what might happen and so adrian developed this wonderful and so adrian developed this wonderful and so adrian developed this wonderful mantra when we get in we experience the mantra when we get in we experience the mantra when we get in we experience the gasp reflex we get a pop of adrenaline gasp reflex we get a pop of adrenaline gasp reflex we get a pop of adrenaline we stop all of these anxiety responses we stop all of these anxiety responses we stop all of these anxiety responses start she says start she says start she says this is what cold feels like this is what cold feels like this is what cold feels like and that's what you say back to your and that's what you say back to your and that's what you say back to your toes that's what you say back to your toes that's what you say back to your toes that's what you say back to your hands that's what you say back to your hands that's what you say back to your hands that's what you say back to your skin skin skin the brain is getting all these signals the brain is getting all these signals the brain is getting all these signals about how we're gonna die and the brain about how we're gonna die and the brain about how we're gonna die and the brain says back to all the cells of your body says back to all the cells of your body says back to all the cells of your body this is what cold feels like this is not this is what cold feels like this is not this is what cold feels like this is not death this is not you know uh shame or death this is not you know uh shame or death this is not you know uh shame or criticism or any of the negative criticism or any of the negative criticism or any of the negative emotions that drive us wild this is what emotions that drive us wild this is what emotions that drive us wild this is what cold feels like and then when i use that cold feels like and then when i use that cold feels like and then when i use that mantra all the cells in my body are like mantra all the cells in my body are like mantra all the cells in my body are like oh oh oh you know maybe you could have told us
21:00you know maybe you could have told us you know maybe you could have told us that before that before that before and we're cold now all right we're going and we're cold now all right we're going and we're cold now all right we're going to do the cold thing to do the cold thing to do the cold thing my cells have a sense of humor my cells have a sense of humor my cells have a sense of humor it calms down it calms down it calms down and now we can explore the sensation of and now we can explore the sensation of and now we can explore the sensation of cold cold cold in the present moment without the fear in the present moment without the fear in the present moment without the fear of the future that is anxiety oh of the future that is anxiety oh of the future that is anxiety oh my toes hurt my toes hurt my toes hurt your toes hurt because the smooth muscle your toes hurt because the smooth muscle your toes hurt because the smooth muscle tissue the non-skeletal muscles that tissue the non-skeletal muscles that tissue the non-skeletal muscles that control your circulation are contracting control your circulation are contracting control your circulation are contracting they're contr it's a process called they're contr it's a process called they're contr it's a process called vasoconstriction vasoconstriction vasoconstriction they're contracting to shut off the they're contracting to shut off the they're contracting to shut off the blood that goes to your toes so that blood that goes to your toes so that blood that goes to your toes so that your internal organs will stay warm your internal organs will stay warm your internal organs will stay warm now your brain has a story now that now your brain has a story now that now your brain has a story now that story is true it's a physiological story is true it's a physiological story is true it's a physiological response vasoconstriction right but your response vasoconstriction right but your response vasoconstriction right but your brain gets to say brain gets to say brain gets to say oh oh this is what vasoconstriction feels like this is what vasoconstriction feels like this is what vasoconstriction feels like in the call well gosh in the call well gosh in the call well gosh that kind of hurts you know
22:00that kind of hurts you know that kind of hurts you know where we can reflect on every sensation where we can reflect on every sensation where we can reflect on every sensation and instead of saying are my toes ever and instead of saying are my toes ever and instead of saying are my toes ever going to stop hurting i'm anxious that going to stop hurting i'm anxious that going to stop hurting i'm anxious that i'm going to feel this pain in my toes i'm going to feel this pain in my toes i'm going to feel this pain in my toes forever forever forever when we're coaching someone through we when we're coaching someone through we when we're coaching someone through we might say you know lift your toes up out might say you know lift your toes up out might say you know lift your toes up out of the water how do they feel now oh of the water how do they feel now oh of the water how do they feel now oh they feel really good now you get to they feel really good now you get to they feel really good now you get to control control control how much do you want your toes in how how much do you want your toes in how how much do you want your toes in how much do you want and when you know much do you want and when you know much do you want and when you know you're in control you're in control you're in control all the anxiety goes away because you all the anxiety goes away because you all the anxiety goes away because you can make what you want you can can make what you want you can can make what you want you can experience the sensations that you want experience the sensations that you want experience the sensations that you want to experience so in our method to experience so in our method to experience so in our method we discovered there was room uh for what we discovered there was room uh for what we discovered there was room uh for what adrian and i call a more feminine adrian and i call a more feminine adrian and i call a more feminine approach like vim hoff has done a great approach like vim hoff has done a great approach like vim hoff has done a great job introducing people to the benefits job introducing people to the benefits job introducing people to the benefits of the cold getting them in the cold of the cold getting them in the cold of the cold getting them in the cold coaching them through the cold but not coaching them through the cold but not coaching them through the cold but not you know breathe [ __ ] is not you know breathe [ __ ] is not you know breathe [ __ ] is not gonna be for everyone so we say there gonna be for everyone so we say there gonna be for everyone so we say there can be no coercion there can be no
23:00can be no coercion there can be no can be no coercion there can be no bullying there's encouragement and bullying there's encouragement and bullying there's encouragement and encouragement is kind of a social encouragement is kind of a social encouragement is kind of a social pressure if you want to think about it pressure if you want to think about it pressure if you want to think about it that way but that way but that way but you get in like royalty because you're you get in like royalty because you're you get in like royalty because you're in charge of your experience you come in charge of your experience you come in charge of your experience you come out like royalty out like royalty out like royalty i as your guy and merely your subject i as your guy and merely your subject i as your guy and merely your subject perhaps uh you know sherpa is another perhaps uh you know sherpa is another perhaps uh you know sherpa is another word that sometimes people use in word that sometimes people use in word that sometimes people use in entrepreneurial circles i am your entrepreneurial circles i am your entrepreneurial circles i am your servant when i'm guiding you through the servant when i'm guiding you through the servant when i'm guiding you through the cold you are in charge of your cold you are in charge of your cold you are in charge of your experience and i will not be bullying my experience and i will not be bullying my experience and i will not be bullying my master you know now when i get in i do master you know now when i get in i do master you know now when i get in i do the same thing i'm the king the same thing i'm the king the same thing i'm the king how do i want to be observed by my how do i want to be observed by my how do i want to be observed by my subjects ah subjects ah subjects ah i want them to see my grace i want them to see my grace i want them to see my grace so i tell myself this so i tell myself this so i tell myself this story that i'm being watched and story that i'm being watched and story that i'm being watched and uh uh uh children are really good for this uh you children are really good for this uh you children are really good for this uh you know i have parents they bring their know i have parents they bring their know i have parents they bring their kids and you would be amazed in a grown
24:00kids and you would be amazed in a grown kids and you would be amazed in a grown human being who in one situation would human being who in one situation would human being who in one situation would be dysregulated and shout you put them be dysregulated and shout you put them be dysregulated and shout you put them in front of their kids and many of them in front of their kids and many of them in front of their kids and many of them are are are they want to see a good example so i they want to see a good example so i they want to see a good example so i think of myself that way about trying to think of myself that way about trying to think of myself that way about trying to set a good example for the fact is set a good example for the fact is set a good example for the fact is nobody's watching you know i'm out on my nobody's watching you know i'm out on my nobody's watching you know i'm out on my patio i'm by myself 90 of the time patio i'm by myself 90 of the time patio i'm by myself 90 of the time but there's something in psychology and but there's something in psychology and but there's something in psychology and it's called the socially evaluated cold it's called the socially evaluated cold it's called the socially evaluated cold presser test presser test presser test the cold pressure test is a standardized the cold pressure test is a standardized the cold pressure test is a standardized instrument in which you immerse one hand instrument in which you immerse one hand instrument in which you immerse one hand just one hand in a bowl of ice water just one hand in a bowl of ice water just one hand in a bowl of ice water and then the psychologist is observing and then the psychologist is observing and then the psychologist is observing you know heart rate sweat glands how you know heart rate sweat glands how you know heart rate sweat glands how long can you stay in there and for most long can you stay in there and for most long can you stay in there and for most people it's like 30 45 seconds or people it's like 30 45 seconds or people it's like 30 45 seconds or something and they're like oh this is something and they're like oh this is something and they're like oh this is terrible so it is designed to measure terrible so it is designed to measure terrible so it is designed to measure the subject's response to stress the subject's response to stress the subject's response to stress then someone i forget you know off the then someone i forget you know off the then someone i forget you know off the top of my mind the socially evaluated
25:00top of my mind the socially evaluated top of my mind the socially evaluated cold presser test is when you do this in cold presser test is when you do this in cold presser test is when you do this in front of a crowd and it changes how front of a crowd and it changes how front of a crowd and it changes how people people people respond so this woman at university of respond so this woman at university of respond so this woman at university of buffalo and she did the socially buffalo and she did the socially buffalo and she did the socially evaluated cold pressure test and she evaluated cold pressure test and she evaluated cold pressure test and she compared compared compared when you do it in the presence of your when you do it in the presence of your when you do it in the presence of your spouse spouse spouse doing it in the presence of the family doing it in the presence of the family doing it in the presence of the family pet pet pet she's going to measure your stress she's going to measure your stress she's going to measure your stress response response response heart rate heart rate heart rate sweat glands electro you know sweat glands electro you know sweat glands electro you know conductivity of your fingertips and how conductivity of your fingertips and how conductivity of your fingertips and how long can you stay in there long can you stay in there long can you stay in there and she said i'm gonna make up a number and she said i'm gonna make up a number and she said i'm gonna make up a number it's not wrong but something like 60 it's not wrong but something like 60 it's not wrong but something like 60 percent of the subjects percent of the subjects percent of the subjects had a better had a calmer stress had a better had a calmer stress had a better had a calmer stress response with their family dog or their response with their family dog or their response with their family dog or their pet than they did with their spouse and pet than they did with their spouse and pet than they did with their spouse and you can follow up on these people later you can follow up on these people later you can follow up on these people later and say how are their marriages doing and say how are their marriages doing and say how are their marriages doing the divorce rates among those people who the divorce rates among those people who the divorce rates among those people who were more were more were more at ease with their family pet than with at ease with their family pet than with at ease with their family pet than with their spouse way higher than the people their spouse way higher than the people their spouse way higher than the people who found support from their you know
26:00who found support from their you know who found support from their you know you're doing great you look good you're doing great you look good you're doing great you look good how does it feel i bet you that hurts how does it feel i bet you that hurts how does it feel i bet you that hurts you know can you imagine being with a you know can you imagine being with a you know can you imagine being with a supportive spouse and feeling or supportive spouse and feeling or supportive spouse and feeling or hearing their voice heal your anxiety hearing their voice heal your anxiety hearing their voice heal your anxiety it's incredible study about how the it's incredible study about how the it's incredible study about how the story we tell ourselves is more story we tell ourselves is more story we tell ourselves is more important important important than the experience we're actually than the experience we're actually than the experience we're actually having so this is what cold feels like having so this is what cold feels like having so this is what cold feels like i'm in this bath because it creates a i'm in this bath because it creates a i'm in this bath because it creates a hormetic stress response in me this hormetic stress response in me this hormetic stress response in me this gives me energy and prepares me for my gives me energy and prepares me for my gives me energy and prepares me for my day all of those kinds of stories that day all of those kinds of stories that day all of those kinds of stories that you tell yourself you tell yourself you tell yourself help you live longer because your cells help you live longer because your cells help you live longer because your cells have no choice but to listen to your have no choice but to listen to your have no choice but to listen to your brain brain it's uh first of all it makes me feel it's uh first of all it makes me feel it's uh first of all it makes me feel very good because my significant other very good because my significant other very good because my significant other still still uh can she she still wants still still uh can she she still wants still still uh can she she still wants only me there only me there only me there going through the first you know phase
27:00going through the first you know phase going through the first you know phase of maybe not looking the best that of maybe not looking the best that of maybe not looking the best that you're gonna look you know you're you're gonna look you know you're you're gonna look you know you're getting through anxiety or fear and getting through anxiety or fear and getting through anxiety or fear and uh this uh this uh this it's so annoying because she breaks all it's so annoying because she breaks all it's so annoying because she breaks all of our records afterwards of our records afterwards of our records afterwards like after like a minute and a half she like after like a minute and a half she like after like a minute and a half she she looks up and she's like she looks up and she's like she looks up and she's like you know she was uh on the verge of of you know she was uh on the verge of of you know she was uh on the verge of of tearing up be like 30 seconds beforehand tearing up be like 30 seconds beforehand tearing up be like 30 seconds beforehand and then she looks up and she's like you and then she looks up and she's like you and then she looks up and she's like you can you can let everyone in everyone can you can let everyone in everyone can you can let everyone in everyone goes in and goes in and goes in and then she stays you know way longer than then she stays you know way longer than then she stays you know way longer than anyone else could anyone else could anyone else could and she's like looking and she's and she's like looking and she's and she's like looking and she's laughing and she says oh i can stay here laughing and she says oh i can stay here laughing and she says oh i can stay here forever and i'm cursing in the corner forever and i'm cursing in the corner forever and i'm cursing in the corner you know because obviously she's you know because obviously she's you know because obviously she's sleeping sleeping sleeping yeah exactly she's sweeping my timing yeah exactly she's sweeping my timing yeah exactly she's sweeping my timing under the carpet you know easily under the carpet you know easily under the carpet you know easily so that i see a bright future for you so that i see a bright future for you so that i see a bright future for you too i'm gonna tell you i'm able to let too i'm gonna tell you i'm able to let too i'm gonna tell you i'm able to let go of this competitive nature and i know go of this competitive nature and i know go of this competitive nature and i know you know it's part of who you are but if
28:00you know it's part of who you are but if you know it's part of who you are but if you let go of it in this context i see a you let go of it in this context i see a you let go of it in this context i see a bright future for you too for sure for bright future for you too for sure for bright future for you too for sure for sure sure sure um but you know that's you did you did um but you know that's you did you did um but you know that's you did you did kind of ask you know you did voice out kind of ask you know you did voice out kind of ask you know you did voice out loud when we started oh why would why loud when we started oh why would why loud when we started oh why would why would this podcast uh invite a a would this podcast uh invite a a would this podcast uh invite a a a person that's not not engaged in a person that's not not engaged in a person that's not not engaged in beauty on a regular basis and you know beauty on a regular basis and you know beauty on a regular basis and you know what we're trying to do in this podcast what we're trying to do in this podcast what we're trying to do in this podcast and i think people have already figured and i think people have already figured and i think people have already figured it out from from what you were talking it out from from what you were talking it out from from what you were talking about about about is is is skin health skin is an organ obviously skin health skin is an organ obviously skin health skin is an organ obviously it's it's a very large organ when we're it's it's a very large organ when we're it's it's a very large organ when we're talking about cold exposure it's talking about cold exposure it's talking about cold exposure it's definitely a communicative organ but it definitely a communicative organ but it definitely a communicative organ but it is an organ that is an organ that is an organ that is reliant on our general health is reliant on our general health is reliant on our general health in order to function well in order to function well in order to function well and functioning well means looking good and functioning well means looking good and functioning well means looking good eventually and looking younger eventually and looking younger eventually and looking younger not only that another not only that another not only that another facet of skin being an organ facet of skin being an organ facet of skin being an organ is
29:00is our skin our skin our skin out the resources that are required to out the resources that are required to out the resources that are required to keep our skin keep our skin keep our skin healthy healthy healthy and uh young looking and uh young looking and uh young looking are are intertwined with the resources that are intertwined with the resources that are intertwined with the resources that are being depleted when we're living under being depleted when we're living under being depleted when we're living under stress stress stress whether it is uh whether it is uh whether it is uh toxin removal through lymphatic drainage toxin removal through lymphatic drainage toxin removal through lymphatic drainage whether it is very very very important whether it is very very very important whether it is very very very important blood circulation blood circulation blood circulation whether it is whether it is whether it is stem cells that are being depleted due stem cells that are being depleted due stem cells that are being depleted due to elevated cortisol levels which are to elevated cortisol levels which are to elevated cortisol levels which are like our stress hormone like our stress hormone like our stress hormone and obviously the example that i give on and obviously the example that i give on and obviously the example that i give on a regular basis a regular basis a regular basis is looking at u.s presidents after eight is looking at u.s presidents after eight is looking at u.s presidents after eight years or four years of them being years or four years of them being years or four years of them being presidents and the extreme change that presidents and the extreme change that presidents and the extreme change that they that they're going through they that they're going through they that they're going through physically physically physically and that's very carter was the greatest and that's very carter was the greatest and that's very carter was the greatest example example example i mean i was 10 when he was elected you i mean i was 10 when he was elected you i mean i was 10 when he was elected you know and he gets into office and he's
30:00know and he gets into office and he's know and he gets into office and he's energetic and he looks people and he was energetic and he looks people and he was energetic and he looks people and he was the antithesis in many people's mind of the antithesis in many people's mind of the antithesis in many people's mind of nixon who harbored hang dog and i've nixon who harbored hang dog and i've nixon who harbored hang dog and i've been run down by you know decades of been run down by you know decades of been run down by you know decades of public office man four years later public office man four years later public office man four years later exactly exactly exactly he's looked 90 years old since 1981. he's looked 90 years old since 1981. he's looked 90 years old since 1981. so i think everyone intuitively so i think everyone intuitively so i think everyone intuitively should and can understand why should and can understand why should and can understand why adopting practices adopting practices adopting practices that are that are that are the opposite of that that are the opposite of that that are the opposite of that that are teaching us teaching us teaching us how to live or lead a life of how to live or lead a life of how to live or lead a life of conscious conscious conscious calmness and and connection to the calmness and and connection to the calmness and and connection to the present present present is probably the most important tenant is probably the most important tenant is probably the most important tenant in our in our in our skin health regimen skin health regimen skin health regimen even though it's not something that we even though it's not something that we even though it's not something that we necessarily do to our facial skin necessarily do to our facial skin necessarily do to our facial skin because we can talk about you know because we can talk about you know because we can talk about you know deliberate cold exposure of our face deliberate cold exposure of our face
31:00deliberate cold exposure of our face there are things there are things there are things in in in um um you know in more fringe you know in more fringe you know in more fringe aesthetic aesthetic aesthetic practices that are called like practices that are called like practices that are called like cryofacials cryofacials cryofacials uh so uh so uh so we we we our skin can enjoy deliberate cold our skin can enjoy deliberate cold our skin can enjoy deliberate cold exposure directly but the real exposure directly but the real exposure directly but the real the real important thing is the the real important thing is the the real important thing is the psychological psychological psychological uh and the uh and the uh and the ongoing benefits of of the resilience ongoing benefits of of the resilience ongoing benefits of of the resilience aspect of it aspect of it aspect of it but it's not only that right so we are but it's not only that right so we are but it's not only that right so we are talking also about physical talking also about physical talking also about physical um physical benefits that happen when we um physical benefits that happen when we um physical benefits that happen when we when we when we when we do undergo deliberate cold exposure uh do undergo deliberate cold exposure uh do undergo deliberate cold exposure uh so so what are what are some of those um what what are what are some of those um what what are what are some of those um what are some of those benefits we get to be are some of those benefits we get to be are some of those benefits we get to be clear you don't need you know 35 degree clear you don't need you know 35 degree clear you don't need you know 35 degree morales co-forge to get the metabolic morales co-forge to get the metabolic morales co-forge to get the metabolic benefits to get the physiological benefits to get the physiological benefits to get the physiological stimulus it's anywhere down in like the
32:00stimulus it's anywhere down in like the stimulus it's anywhere down in like the low 50s you get below 60 degrees and for low 50s you get below 60 degrees and for low 50s you get below 60 degrees and for most people this is gonna activate their most people this is gonna activate their most people this is gonna activate their metabolism metabolism metabolism so what happens when you get a little so what happens when you get a little so what happens when you get a little bit of cold exposure in your life bit of cold exposure in your life bit of cold exposure in your life when you begin to shiver when you begin to shiver when you begin to shiver you know you have stimulated cold you know you have stimulated cold you know you have stimulated cold thermogenesis there's two types there's thermogenesis there's two types there's thermogenesis there's two types there's the shivering which your muscles do and the shivering which your muscles do and the shivering which your muscles do and there's the non-shivering and that's there's the non-shivering and that's there's the non-shivering and that's your brown fat most people have your brown fat most people have your brown fat most people have experience with shivering they know what experience with shivering they know what experience with shivering they know what that's like because they have so little that's like because they have so little that's like because they have so little brown fat that they their body doesn't brown fat that they their body doesn't brown fat that they their body doesn't have the capability to do non-shivering have the capability to do non-shivering have the capability to do non-shivering cold thermogenesis okay cold thermogenesis okay cold thermogenesis okay when you shiver your muscles are when you shiver your muscles are when you shiver your muscles are twitching they're trembling and they're twitching they're trembling and they're twitching they're trembling and they're burning glucose and they're doing that burning glucose and they're doing that burning glucose and they're doing that just to generate heat just to generate heat just to generate heat but when you've but when you've but when you've recruited enough brown fat recruited enough brown fat recruited enough brown fat for non-shivering thermogenesis to keep for non-shivering thermogenesis to keep for non-shivering thermogenesis to keep you warm and again 50 degrees is usually you warm and again 50 degrees is usually you warm and again 50 degrees is usually enough for some people to go oh it feels
33:00enough for some people to go oh it feels enough for some people to go oh it feels chilly they'll get a little goosebump chilly they'll get a little goosebump chilly they'll get a little goosebump kind of thing maybe a little kind of thing maybe a little kind of thing maybe a little vasoconstriction going on and if they vasoconstriction going on and if they vasoconstriction going on and if they stay there for long enough they will stay there for long enough they will stay there for long enough they will begin to shiver that stimulates the begin to shiver that stimulates the begin to shiver that stimulates the recruitment of brown fat brown fat have recruitment of brown fat brown fat have recruitment of brown fat brown fat have they're packed with mitochondria so i they're packed with mitochondria so i they're packed with mitochondria so i mean we all know mitochondria the mean we all know mitochondria the mean we all know mitochondria the powerhouse of the body it's what it's powerhouse of the body it's what it's powerhouse of the body it's what it's the battery that makes everything go but the battery that makes everything go but the battery that makes everything go but brown fat the only job of brown fat is brown fat the only job of brown fat is brown fat the only job of brown fat is to burn energy to produce heat at least to burn energy to produce heat at least to burn energy to produce heat at least metabolically signals the thyroid metabolically signals the thyroid metabolically signals the thyroid there's other hormonal interactions but there's other hormonal interactions but there's other hormonal interactions but metabolically that's what it's doing you metabolically that's what it's doing you metabolically that's what it's doing you recruit the new brown fat you're packed recruit the new brown fat you're packed recruit the new brown fat you're packed with mitochondria you don't shiver as with mitochondria you don't shiver as with mitochondria you don't shiver as much so what happens much so what happens much so what happens it clears glucose from your body like it clears glucose from your body like it clears glucose from your body like that we've got really good data on the that we've got really good data on the that we've got really good data on the continuous glucose monitoring in continuous glucose monitoring in continuous glucose monitoring in particular type 2 diabetics people who particular type 2 diabetics people who particular type 2 diabetics people who are not in good control of their blood are not in good control of their blood are not in good control of their blood sugar because they've developed sugar because they've developed sugar because they've developed something called insulin resistance and
34:00something called insulin resistance and something called insulin resistance and why do you become insulin resistant it why do you become insulin resistant it why do you become insulin resistant it took me a long time to figure this one took me a long time to figure this one took me a long time to figure this one out the mitochondria the powerhouse of out the mitochondria the powerhouse of out the mitochondria the powerhouse of the cell the cell the cell they take glucose they take chemical they take glucose they take chemical they take glucose they take chemical energy glucose fats ketones whatever energy glucose fats ketones whatever energy glucose fats ketones whatever you're going to burn you're going to burn you're going to burn and they convert it to electricity and and they convert it to electricity and and they convert it to electricity and in that process they have to do it in that process they have to do it in that process they have to do it via chemical reactions they produce what via chemical reactions they produce what via chemical reactions they produce what are called reactive oxygen species think are called reactive oxygen species think are called reactive oxygen species think of it as the sparks that are you know of it as the sparks that are you know of it as the sparks that are you know blowing off the miami you have a light blowing off the miami you have a light blowing off the miami you have a light rail system and rail system and rail system and but new york is most famous for this you but new york is most famous for this you but new york is most famous for this you know they've drawn the electricity and know they've drawn the electricity and know they've drawn the electricity and there are stray sparks going on these there are stray sparks going on these there are stray sparks going on these are the reactive oxygen species when the are the reactive oxygen species when the are the reactive oxygen species when the carbohydrate levels are too high carbohydrate levels are too high carbohydrate levels are too high the cell the cell shuts down it becomes resistant to shuts down it becomes resistant to shuts down it becomes resistant to moving the glucose across the cell moving the glucose across the cell moving the glucose across the cell membrane it keeps the glucose in the membrane it keeps the glucose in the membrane it keeps the glucose in the bloodstream and glucose does a lot of bloodstream and glucose does a lot of bloodstream and glucose does a lot of damage in the bloodstream but why damage in the bloodstream but why damage in the bloodstream but why because when it enters the cell it will
35:00because when it enters the cell it will because when it enters the cell it will enter the mitochondria the mitochondria enter the mitochondria the mitochondria enter the mitochondria the mitochondria have no choice but to start burning it have no choice but to start burning it have no choice but to start burning it up and when the carbohydrate up and when the carbohydrate up and when the carbohydrate concentration is too high the sparks concentration is too high the sparks concentration is too high the sparks destroy the might it can only work at a destroy the might it can only work at a destroy the might it can only work at a safe pace you draw too much power and it safe pace you draw too much power and it safe pace you draw too much power and it begins to destroy the mitochondria begins to destroy the mitochondria begins to destroy the mitochondria mitochondria are the key to aging mitochondria are the key to aging mitochondria are the key to aging healthy mitochondria is a healthy healthy mitochondria is a healthy healthy mitochondria is a healthy metabolism and so metabolism and so metabolism and so insulin resistance type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance type 2 diabetes is your body protecting itself your body protecting itself your body protecting itself from your own crappy diet from your own crappy diet from your own crappy diet think about how clever your body is you think about how clever your body is you think about how clever your body is you know know thank you body because i really want to thank you body because i really want to thank you body because i really want to eat that birthday cake with the brownies eat that birthday cake with the brownies eat that birthday cake with the brownies and the cookies that somebody brought in and the cookies that somebody brought in and the cookies that somebody brought in for the faculty meeting they're trying for the faculty meeting they're trying for the faculty meeting they're trying to kill me but it's so delicious and to kill me but it's so delicious and to kill me but it's so delicious and your body says great we're going to keep your body says great we're going to keep your body says great we're going to keep that glucose in your bloodstream so you that glucose in your bloodstream so you that glucose in your bloodstream so you pee it out we're going to store that pee it out we're going to store that pee it out we're going to store that energy in your white fat cells until you energy in your white fat cells until you energy in your white fat cells until you come to your senses because the glaucoma
36:00come to your senses because the glaucoma come to your senses because the glaucoma and the capillary destruction and the capillary destruction and the capillary destruction is gonna eventually kill you but not as is gonna eventually kill you but not as is gonna eventually kill you but not as fast as if we let that glucose into the fast as if we let that glucose into the fast as if we let that glucose into the cell where it can destroy the cell where it can destroy the cell where it can destroy the mitochondria so what do we do with these mitochondria so what do we do with these mitochondria so what do we do with these type 2 diabetics who really should be type 2 diabetics who really should be type 2 diabetics who really should be fasting and go low carb so they can fasting and go low carb so they can fasting and go low carb so they can reverse their insulin resistance what do reverse their insulin resistance what do reverse their insulin resistance what do we do with them we do with them we do with them we give insulin we give insulin we give insulin we say i'm going to override that body's we say i'm going to override that body's we say i'm going to override that body's protective response i'm going to pack protective response i'm going to pack protective response i'm going to pack your bloodstream full of more insulin your bloodstream full of more insulin your bloodstream full of more insulin shove that glucose into your cells so i shove that glucose into your cells so i shove that glucose into your cells so i can get the the glucose the blood sugar can get the the glucose the blood sugar can get the the glucose the blood sugar concentration in your bloodstream down concentration in your bloodstream down concentration in your bloodstream down at the expense of your mitochondria at the expense of your mitochondria at the expense of your mitochondria so here's what i say give me 10 days i so here's what i say give me 10 days i so here's what i say give me 10 days i can reverse your type 2 diabetes you can reverse your type 2 diabetes you can reverse your type 2 diabetes you don't have to exercise you don't have to don't have to exercise you don't have to don't have to exercise you don't have to change your crappy diet and i don't mean change your crappy diet and i don't mean change your crappy diet and i don't mean to be shaming my customers i would love to be shaming my customers i would love to be shaming my customers i would love for them to give up the sugar in their for them to give up the sugar in their for them to give up the sugar in their diet but diet but diet but when they get into the forge
37:00when they get into the forge when they get into the forge they will recruit brown fat they will they will recruit brown fat they will they will recruit brown fat they will stabilize their metabolism they will stabilize their metabolism they will stabilize their metabolism they will clear glucose from their bloodstream i clear glucose from their bloodstream i clear glucose from their bloodstream i have the data that demonstrates this is have the data that demonstrates this is have the data that demonstrates this is just the way our body works they will just the way our body works they will just the way our body works they will improve their insulin sensitivity less improve their insulin sensitivity less improve their insulin sensitivity less than two weeks than two weeks than two weeks their type two diabetes can be i mean their type two diabetes can be i mean their type two diabetes can be i mean depending on where they are for the most depending on where they are for the most depending on where they are for the most part result part result part result no changes in diet no changes in no changes in diet no changes in no changes in diet no changes in exercise and i'm still saying you should exercise and i'm still saying you should exercise and i'm still saying you should go for a walk after your ice bath you go for a walk after your ice bath you go for a walk after your ice bath you should use exercise to recover from your should use exercise to recover from your should use exercise to recover from your cold exposure cold exposure cold exposure but the fastest way to fix your but the fastest way to fix your but the fastest way to fix your metabolism get yourself back into that metabolism get yourself back into that metabolism get yourself back into that cold water so there's one of the cold water so there's one of the cold water so there's one of the physiological benefits and it's the most physiological benefits and it's the most physiological benefits and it's the most important one is this metabolic important one is this metabolic important one is this metabolic correction that you get now if you go on correction that you get now if you go on correction that you get now if you go on twitter or instagram you're going to see twitter or instagram you're going to see twitter or instagram you're going to see a bunch of posts you know the 15 a bunch of posts you know the 15 a bunch of posts you know the 15 benefits of cold exposure number 12 will benefits of cold exposure number 12 will benefits of cold exposure number 12 will amaze you you know this and we're guilty amaze you you know this and we're guilty amaze you you know this and we're guilty of this too we have some of those tweets
38:00of this too we have some of those tweets of this too we have some of those tweets and things out there and things out there and things out there and um i've decided we're not going to and um i've decided we're not going to and um i've decided we're not going to do that anymore do that anymore do that anymore because because because the science on exercise recovery it's no the science on exercise recovery it's no the science on exercise recovery it's no longer confusing it's no longer complex longer confusing it's no longer complex longer confusing it's no longer complex if you're working out and if you're working out and if you're working out and you get into the cold to recover from you get into the cold to recover from you get into the cold to recover from your workout you are going to your workout you are going to your workout you are going to [ __ ] or um you're going to change your [ __ ] or um you're going to change your [ __ ] or um you're going to change your body's body's body's hormetic response hormetic response hormetic response you you have a tough workout you've you you have a tough workout you've you you have a tough workout you've stressed your muscles you know you're stressed your muscles you know you're stressed your muscles you know you're going to be sore your muscles are going going to be sore your muscles are going going to be sore your muscles are going to be inflamed all of that is your to be inflamed all of that is your to be inflamed all of that is your body's normal response flooding your body's normal response flooding your body's normal response flooding your muscles with fluids that are going to muscles with fluids that are going to muscles with fluids that are going to help them rebuild help them rebuild help them rebuild if you get into an ice bath because you if you get into an ice bath because you if you get into an ice bath because you want to prevent that soreness want to prevent that soreness want to prevent that soreness right after your workout right after your workout right after your workout you can put yourself into performance you can put yourself into performance you can put yourself into performance mode faster we know this you can come mode faster we know this you can come mode faster we know this you can come back and get back out on the field or back and get back out on the field or back and get back out on the field or back in the weight room or whatever it back in the weight room or whatever it back in the weight room or whatever it is so if you're competing use the ice is so if you're competing use the ice is so if you're competing use the ice bath bath bath because i don't know you're doing the
39:00because i don't know you're doing the because i don't know you're doing the tour de france i can't imagine me doing tour de france i can't imagine me doing tour de france i can't imagine me doing the tour de france but some people do the tour de france but some people do the tour de france but some people do this this this and of course your knees hurt so you're and of course your knees hurt so you're and of course your knees hurt so you're gonna get into the ice bath and get you gonna get into the ice bath and get you gonna get into the ice bath and get you back into competition faster or tiger back into competition faster or tiger back into competition faster or tiger woods saying that in order to you know woods saying that in order to you know woods saying that in order to you know to compete he has to do ice baths daily to compete he has to do ice baths daily to compete he has to do ice baths daily etc you got it if you're training etc you got it if you're training etc you got it if you're training if what you want is that anabolic if what you want is that anabolic if what you want is that anabolic response for your muscles if what you response for your muscles if what you response for your muscles if what you want is you're not in performance mode want is you're not in performance mode want is you're not in performance mode you're in chamber then you got to wait you're in chamber then you got to wait you're in chamber then you got to wait hours before you use the ice bath you hours before you use the ice bath you hours before you use the ice bath you wait hours to let wait hours to let wait hours to let your body do what it's programmed to do your body do what it's programmed to do your body do what it's programmed to do experience the soreness experience the soreness experience the soreness allow yourself the time to recover an allow yourself the time to recover an allow yourself the time to recover an ice bath after exercise is only good if ice bath after exercise is only good if ice bath after exercise is only good if you got to turn around fast and perform you got to turn around fast and perform you got to turn around fast and perform again again again wait wait wait hours hours hours if you're using it for this sort of if you're using it for this sort of if you're using it for this sort of exercise recovery tool to allow your exercise recovery tool to allow your exercise recovery tool to allow your body to do the thing that you're body to do the thing that you're body to do the thing that you're training it to do so we've stopped
40:00training it to do so we've stopped training it to do so we've stopped tweeting about ice baths for exercise tweeting about ice baths for exercise tweeting about ice baths for exercise recovery too many people are confused recovery too many people are confused recovery too many people are confused they feel great and they think if they they feel great and they think if they they feel great and they think if they feel great and it takes away the feel great and it takes away the feel great and it takes away the soreness it must be better soreness it must be better soreness it must be better only if you got to run another marathon only if you got to run another marathon only if you got to run another marathon the next day the next day the next day okay okay okay the other one this is a huge myth and i the other one this is a huge myth and i the other one this is a huge myth and i haven't put this on any podcast yet ice haven't put this on any podcast yet ice haven't put this on any podcast yet ice baths will help you lose weight baths will help you lose weight baths will help you lose weight and here's where the myth comes from and here's where the myth comes from and here's where the myth comes from partly it's my fault because i lost a partly it's my fault because i lost a partly it's my fault because i lost a lot of weight again you know lot of weight again you know lot of weight again you know i got to start dating again i got to i got to start dating again i got to i got to start dating again i got to figure out apps immate you know i'm figure out apps immate you know i'm figure out apps immate you know i'm going to get like going to get like going to get like profiles and stuff and i want to look profiles and stuff and i want to look profiles and stuff and i want to look good now little me i didn't know how good now little me i didn't know how good now little me i didn't know how filters work i didn't know how to filters work i didn't know how to filters work i didn't know how to photoshop all that stuff so i'm thinking photoshop all that stuff so i'm thinking photoshop all that stuff so i'm thinking i just gotta drop 50 pounds i used to i just gotta drop 50 pounds i used to i just gotta drop 50 pounds i used to weigh 249 and when weigh 249 and when weigh 249 and when you know that's no way to date so you know that's no way to date so you know that's no way to date so i lost a lot of weight and i thought ice i lost a lot of weight and i thought ice i lost a lot of weight and i thought ice baths helped i'm going to tell you how baths helped i'm going to tell you how baths helped i'm going to tell you how they helped in a second but the first
41:00they helped in a second but the first they helped in a second but the first thing i'm going to say is ice baths are thing i'm going to say is ice baths are thing i'm going to say is ice baths are alone are not a reliable way to lose alone are not a reliable way to lose alone are not a reliable way to lose weight but here's where the myth comes weight but here's where the myth comes weight but here's where the myth comes from from from when you get in the ice bath you clear when you get in the ice bath you clear when you get in the ice bath you clear the glucose out of your bloodstream and the glucose out of your bloodstream and the glucose out of your bloodstream and you begin to you produce ketones right you begin to you produce ketones right you begin to you produce ketones right away and you begin to burn fat we know away and you begin to burn fat we know away and you begin to burn fat we know this you lift your metabolic rate and it this you lift your metabolic rate and it this you lift your metabolic rate and it stays elevated for hours well isn't this stays elevated for hours well isn't this stays elevated for hours well isn't this a wonderful thing a wonderful thing a wonderful thing the the increased energy expenditure that increased energy expenditure that increased energy expenditure that happens in the ice bath in theory would happens in the ice bath in theory would happens in the ice bath in theory would it is burning fat it would help you trim it is burning fat it would help you trim it is burning fat it would help you trim down it would change your body down it would change your body down it would change your body composition composition composition so if you believe in the calories in so if you believe in the calories in so if you believe in the calories in calories out hypothesis the ice bath calories out hypothesis the ice bath calories out hypothesis the ice bath will help with the calories out and you will help with the calories out and you will help with the calories out and you should lose weight if that's the case should lose weight if that's the case should lose weight if that's the case then why isn't jimmy moore losing weight then why isn't jimmy moore losing weight then why isn't jimmy moore losing weight then why isn't tom seeger losing weight then why isn't tom seeger losing weight then why isn't tom seeger losing weight then i mean then i mean then i mean we both jimmy and i have both we both jimmy and i have both we both jimmy and i have both experienced a dramatic weight loss as a experienced a dramatic weight loss as a experienced a dramatic weight loss as a result of changing our diet improving result of changing our diet improving result of changing our diet improving our exercise but jimmy has been doing our exercise but jimmy has been doing our exercise but jimmy has been doing ice baths every day five minutes a day
42:00ice baths every day five minutes a day ice baths every day five minutes a day 33 degrees and he's every day in january 33 degrees and he's every day in january 33 degrees and he's every day in january in since january 1 2022 and jimmy's not in since january 1 2022 and jimmy's not in since january 1 2022 and jimmy's not losing weight if ice bats were effective losing weight if ice bats were effective losing weight if ice bats were effective for losing weight wouldn't we see the for losing weight wouldn't we see the for losing weight wouldn't we see the pounds coming off and i'm back up to pounds coming off and i'm back up to pounds coming off and i'm back up to 215. right now some of it is a little 215. right now some of it is a little 215. right now some of it is a little more muscle but i know from my waist i more muscle but i know from my waist i more muscle but i know from my waist i know from my you know my body know from my you know my body know from my you know my body composition isn't where i was 20 pounds composition isn't where i was 20 pounds composition isn't where i was 20 pounds ago ago ago ice baths alone don't help you lose ice baths alone don't help you lose ice baths alone don't help you lose weight at least not directly i'll talk weight at least not directly i'll talk weight at least not directly i'll talk about indirectly in a second and here's about indirectly in a second and here's about indirectly in a second and here's why i found a study last week why i found a study last week why i found a study last week there are complex compensatory there are complex compensatory there are complex compensatory mechanisms mechanisms mechanisms ice baths will help you sleep i bought ice baths will help you sleep i bought ice baths will help you sleep i bought an aura ring and you know i put it on i an aura ring and you know i put it on i an aura ring and you know i put it on i wear it and it tells you about how easy wear it and it tells you about how easy wear it and it tells you about how easy it says it says it says professor seeger you're sleeping great professor seeger you're sleeping great professor seeger you're sleeping great thank you next day you're still sleeping thank you next day you're still sleeping thank you next day you're still sleeping great great great it's fine it's fine it's fine you're still sleeping great i'm like you're still sleeping great i'm like you're still sleeping great i'm like what do i even have this thing on for what do i even have this thing on for what do i even have this thing on for i'm getting plenty of sleep especially
43:00i'm getting plenty of sleep especially i'm getting plenty of sleep especially when i'm in ketosis i'm sleeping great i when i'm in ketosis i'm sleeping great i when i'm in ketosis i'm sleeping great i go and i see you know patrick and go and i see you know patrick and go and i see you know patrick and michael porter at braintap and they put michael porter at braintap and they put michael porter at braintap and they put me in the thing and they do the heart me in the thing and they do the heart me in the thing and they do the heart rate variability and they like i'm 55. rate variability and they like i'm 55. rate variability and they like i'm 55. and i saw him at a conference he was at and i saw him at a conference he was at and i saw him at a conference he was at paleo fx he came to phoenix he ran me paleo fx he came to phoenix he ran me paleo fx he came to phoenix he ran me through the thing he said through the thing he said through the thing he said congratulations tom congratulations tom congratulations tom you're 30 years old you're 30 years old you're 30 years old biologically you know there's a biologically you know there's a biologically you know there's a difference between my body composition difference between my body composition difference between my body composition which is a little chunky and my overall which is a little chunky and my overall which is a little chunky and my overall metabolic health my metabolic health is metabolic health my metabolic health is metabolic health my metabolic health is great but ice baths alone will not help great but ice baths alone will not help great but ice baths alone will not help me lose weight they will help with a lot me lose weight they will help with a lot me lose weight they will help with a lot of other things mitochondria anti-aging of other things mitochondria anti-aging of other things mitochondria anti-aging clarity of mind they're great for the clarity of mind they're great for the clarity of mind they're great for the brain but losing weight brain but losing weight brain but losing weight no why not because the complex no why not because the complex no why not because the complex compensatory mechanism compensatory mechanism compensatory mechanism all that extra energy that i burnt all that extra energy that i burnt all that extra energy that i burnt during the day during the day during the day my body throttles down at night my body throttles down at night my body throttles down at night it helps me sleep it reduces my basal it helps me sleep it reduces my basal it helps me sleep it reduces my basal uh metabolism rate it reduces my body
44:00uh metabolism rate it reduces my body uh metabolism rate it reduces my body temperature and these are parts of the temperature and these are parts of the temperature and these are parts of the reasons why i sleep better because i'm reasons why i sleep better because i'm reasons why i sleep better because i'm approximate i'm signaling my body hey approximate i'm signaling my body hey approximate i'm signaling my body hey winter's coming we're going to hibernate winter's coming we're going to hibernate winter's coming we're going to hibernate we're going to get into that deep we're going to get into that deep we're going to get into that deep restful state and those calories that i restful state and those calories that i restful state and those calories that i thought i was burning up because the thought i was burning up because the thought i was burning up because the studies said they measured and said studies said they measured and said studies said they measured and said you're burning additional calories but you're burning additional calories but you're burning additional calories but they didn't measure me at night they didn't measure me at night they didn't measure me at night so i saw this paper last week and it was so i saw this paper last week and it was so i saw this paper last week and it was rats we got to be careful about rats but rats we got to be careful about rats but rats we got to be careful about rats but you know it's a place we can do things you know it's a place we can do things you know it's a place we can do things to rats that you'd never be allowed to to rats that you'd never be allowed to to rats that you'd never be allowed to do to human beings do to human beings do to human beings and sure enough these rats that they and sure enough these rats that they and sure enough these rats that they forced to lose 20 percent of their body forced to lose 20 percent of their body forced to lose 20 percent of their body mass then they let them eat whatever mass then they let them eat whatever mass then they let them eat whatever they want they exposed some of them the they want they exposed some of them the they want they exposed some of them the cold cold sure enough in the cold there is acute sure enough in the cold there is acute sure enough in the cold there is acute cold exposure metabolism goes through cold exposure metabolism goes through cold exposure metabolism goes through the roof energy expansion goes through the roof energy expansion goes through the roof energy expansion goes through but when they slept but when they slept but when they slept all of the additional energy came back all of the additional energy came back all of the additional energy came back from reduced basal metabolism at night from reduced basal metabolism at night from reduced basal metabolism at night and i'm going and i'm going and i'm going i gotta call jimmy you know i i gotta i gotta call jimmy you know i i gotta i gotta call jimmy you know i i gotta get this word out there we are no longer get this word out there we are no longer get this word out there we are no longer gonna you know tweet or write articles
45:00gonna you know tweet or write articles gonna you know tweet or write articles about how ice baths one of the benefits about how ice baths one of the benefits about how ice baths one of the benefits is weight loss because that is a myth is weight loss because that is a myth is weight loss because that is a myth and there's reasons for it i shouldn't and there's reasons for it i shouldn't and there's reasons for it i shouldn't call it a minute it is a popular call it a minute it is a popular call it a minute it is a popular misconception and there's some data that misconception and there's some data that misconception and there's some data that justified the hypothesis but it's not justified the hypothesis but it's not justified the hypothesis but it's not consistent with our experience other consistent with our experience other consistent with our experience other things will help you lose weight and you things will help you lose weight and you things will help you lose weight and you should do them if you're should do them if you're should do them if you're i'ma tell you you look great i saw your i'ma tell you you look great i saw your i'ma tell you you look great i saw your instagram videos of you in the ice bath instagram videos of you in the ice bath instagram videos of you in the ice bath you're doing fine but when you see me you're doing fine but when you see me you're doing fine but when you see me you know like hey that guy's a health you know like hey that guy's a health you know like hey that guy's a health guy like i don't know he's no instagram guy like i don't know he's no instagram guy like i don't know he's no instagram model i'm gonna pop over and see what model i'm gonna pop over and see what model i'm gonna pop over and see what saladino is doing that guy's got abs you saladino is doing that guy's got abs you saladino is doing that guy's got abs you know know i'm i'm not that kind of model um i'm i'm not that kind of model um i'm i'm not that kind of model um it's not my job to look good on it's not my job to look good on it's not my job to look good on instagram it's my job to look smart you instagram it's my job to look smart you instagram it's my job to look smart you know because i'm a college professor know because i'm a college professor know because i'm a college professor but there's indirectly this way that ice but there's indirectly this way that ice but there's indirectly this way that ice baths help baths help baths help i had a scare i had a scare i had a scare um okay so like a lot of men in their
46:00um okay so like a lot of men in their um okay so like a lot of men in their early 50s you're supposed to get you early 50s you're supposed to get you early 50s you're supposed to get you know i don't know colonoscopies and all know i don't know colonoscopies and all know i don't know colonoscopies and all the stuff that allopathic medicine wants the stuff that allopathic medicine wants the stuff that allopathic medicine wants you to get tested for you to get tested for you to get tested for but i read a book by welch he's a but i read a book by welch he's a but i read a book by welch he's a medical doctor it's called over medical doctor it's called over medical doctor it's called over diagnosed it came out before covet he diagnosed it came out before covet he diagnosed it came out before covet he said these are the risks of getting said these are the risks of getting said these are the risks of getting tested for stuff tested for stuff tested for stuff and and i've been resistant to all these i've been resistant to all these i've been resistant to all these screening tests screening tests screening tests but i'm getting my blood work done i'm but i'm getting my blood work done i'm but i'm getting my blood work done i'm gonna get everything the whole male gonna get everything the whole male gonna get everything the whole male health panel the stds the cholesterol health panel the stds the cholesterol health panel the stds the cholesterol lipid like i'm you know starting this lipid like i'm you know starting this lipid like i'm you know starting this journey i'm like i gotta get a baseline journey i'm like i gotta get a baseline journey i'm like i gotta get a baseline for everything and it comes back and for everything and it comes back and for everything and it comes back and there's a big red exclamation mark next there's a big red exclamation mark next there's a big red exclamation mark next to my prostate specific to my prostate specific to my prostate specific antigen antigen antigen well what the hell is that and i got no well what the hell is that and i got no well what the hell is that and i got no idea i gotta google this stuff prostate idea i gotta google this stuff prostate idea i gotta google this stuff prostate specific antigen is a blood marker that specific antigen is a blood marker that specific antigen is a blood marker that is correlated with prostate cancer now is correlated with prostate cancer now is correlated with prostate cancer now i'm 50 something years old and i'm i'm 50 something years old and i'm i'm 50 something years old and i'm reading about prostate
47:00reading about prostate reading about prostate i'm like am i having difficulty i'm like am i having difficulty i'm like am i having difficulty urinating like i don't know what urinating like i don't know what urinating like i don't know what all of a sudden talk about anxiety i'm all of a sudden talk about anxiety i'm all of a sudden talk about anxiety i'm getting paranoid i had one prostate exam getting paranoid i had one prostate exam getting paranoid i had one prostate exam it was 10 years ago my doctor said well it was 10 years ago my doctor said well it was 10 years ago my doctor said well you're slightly enlarged probably not you're slightly enlarged probably not you're slightly enlarged probably not like she's now in my head i've got like she's now in my head i've got like she's now in my head i've got cancer because one test came back and it cancer because one test came back and it cancer because one test came back and it was twice you know it was double what was twice you know it was double what was twice you know it was double what they would consider normal and i'm they would consider normal and i'm they would consider normal and i'm reading all this stuff and they're like reading all this stuff and they're like reading all this stuff and they're like well you know it's not a reliable test well you know it's not a reliable test well you know it's not a reliable test you you you should go for an exam and have a biopsy should go for an exam and have a biopsy should go for an exam and have a biopsy i'm like well i'm like well i'm like well i i i don't want to have an exam and i don't don't want to have an exam and i don't don't want to have an exam and i don't want to have a biopsy so what am i going want to have a biopsy so what am i going want to have a biopsy so what am i going to do instead i started talking to my to do instead i started talking to my to do instead i started talking to my friends friends friends i have a lot of friends you know in the i have a lot of friends you know in the i have a lot of friends you know in the universe these faculty friends who are universe these faculty friends who are universe these faculty friends who are older than me some are younger than me older than me some are younger than me older than me some are younger than me turns out men don't talk about this turns out men don't talk about this turns out men don't talk about this stuff you know what am i supposed to do stuff you know what am i supposed to do stuff you know what am i supposed to do call you up someday and say call you up someday and say call you up someday and say i'm a day how's your pee like i'm a day how's your pee like i'm a day how's your pee like you know you know you know are you really flowing or cause i've are you really flowing or cause i've are you really flowing or cause i've been worried about my pro we don't we're been worried about my pro we don't we're been worried about my pro we don't we're never gonna have this conversation women
48:00never gonna have this conversation women never gonna have this conversation women talk about this stuff all the time at talk about this stuff all the time at talk about this stuff all the time at least i hear you know but men are not least i hear you know but men are not least i hear you know but men are not going to do this so it was awkward going to do this so it was awkward going to do this so it was awkward bringing it up but i talked to my bringing it up but i talked to my bringing it up but i talked to my friends i said you know i got a psa test friends i said you know i got a psa test friends i said you know i got a psa test i have my some blood work done and my i have my some blood work done and my i have my some blood work done and my psa was hot and they go uh-huh psa was hot and they go uh-huh psa was hot and they go uh-huh and then i'm like wait a second has your and then i'm like wait a second has your and then i'm like wait a second has your psa ever been high and they go uh-huh psa ever been high and they go uh-huh psa ever been high and they go uh-huh i go well what did you do i had to have i go well what did you do i had to have i go well what did you do i had to have a prostate exam and then they scheduled a prostate exam and then they scheduled a prostate exam and then they scheduled me for a biopsy what was that like and me for a biopsy what was that like and me for a biopsy what was that like and every guy talked it was terrible every guy talked it was terrible every guy talked it was terrible well what did you do after that well you well what did you do after that well you well what did you do after that well you know my doctor put me on some blockers know my doctor put me on some blockers know my doctor put me on some blockers for this and then the other one we're for this and then the other one we're for this and then the other one we're going to keep an eye on blah blah blah going to keep an eye on blah blah blah going to keep an eye on blah blah blah and one guy goes and one guy goes and one guy goes i have my prostate up i have my prostate up i have my prostate up well what was that like and well what was that like and well what was that like and the nightmare i mean for me it was the nightmare i mean for me it was the nightmare i mean for me it was nightmare for he's living it and i don't nightmare for he's living it and i don't nightmare for he's living it and i don't want to judge him because the want to judge him because the want to judge him because the what he's chosen for himself is right what he's chosen for himself is right what he's chosen for himself is right for him and i want to learn from his for him and i want to learn from his for him and i want to learn from his experience and i decided i would never experience and i decided i would never experience and i decided i would never choose it for me choose it for me choose it for me but many there's more than one man
49:00but many there's more than one man but many there's more than one man that i talked to said um that i talked to said um that i talked to said um no i'm not happy i mean i'm happy that i no i'm not happy i mean i'm happy that i no i'm not happy i mean i'm happy that i don't have cancer but all of these other don't have cancer but all of these other don't have cancer but all of these other effects whether it's erectile effects whether it's erectile effects whether it's erectile dysfunction or whether it's difficulty dysfunction or whether it's difficulty dysfunction or whether it's difficulty controlling urination all these other controlling urination all these other controlling urination all these other things i feel humiliated and i feel things i feel humiliated and i feel things i feel humiliated and i feel self-conscious talking about it it's not self-conscious talking about it it's not self-conscious talking about it it's not the way i was imagining living my life the way i was imagining living my life the way i was imagining living my life at this age i thought i don't want any at this age i thought i don't want any at this age i thought i don't want any of that but they all reported that their of that but they all reported that their of that but they all reported that their wives their families their loved ones wives their families their loved ones wives their families their loved ones put a lot of pressure on them to do to put a lot of pressure on them to do to put a lot of pressure on them to do to go to the doctor get screening don't try go to the doctor get screening don't try go to the doctor get screening don't try and be a hero you know if the doctor and be a hero you know if the doctor and be a hero you know if the doctor says get your prostate out then that's says get your prostate out then that's says get your prostate out then that's what you've got to do these people who what you've got to do these people who what you've got to do these people who love these men they felt like they were love these men they felt like they were love these men they felt like they were doing it for the ones that they wanted doing it for the ones that they wanted doing it for the ones that they wanted to continue to provide for the ones who to continue to provide for the ones who to continue to provide for the ones who cared about them and that they were not cared about them and that they were not cared about them and that they were not alone in this journey and they would be alone in this journey and they would be alone in this journey and they would be letting their children or their wives letting their children or their wives letting their children or their wives down if they didn't do this thing so down if they didn't do this thing so down if they didn't do this thing so i'ma tell you i didn't tell anybody i'ma tell you i didn't tell anybody i'ma tell you i didn't tell anybody i didn't tell i didn't tell i didn't tell i mean i talked with these men about it i mean i talked with these men about it i mean i talked with these men about it but i didn't tell the women in my life i
50:00but i didn't tell the women in my life i but i didn't tell the women in my life i didn't tell didn't tell didn't tell my daughter i didn't tell my family my daughter i didn't tell my family my daughter i didn't tell my family because because i didn't want them to put all that i didn't want them to put all that i didn't want them to put all that pressure on me i said i've got to find pressure on me i said i've got to find pressure on me i said i've got to find another way so i did keto i did cold another way so i did keto i did cold another way so i did keto i did cold exposure i'm like exposure i'm like exposure i'm like something in my intuition was saying i'm something in my intuition was saying i'm something in my intuition was saying i'm going to double down on what i think is going to double down on what i think is going to double down on what i think is healthy now later i read about the healthy now later i read about the healthy now later i read about the warburg effect i read travis warburg effect i read travis warburg effect i read travis christopherson's book um tripping over christopherson's book um tripping over christopherson's book um tripping over the truth i read about the war on cancer the truth i read about the war on cancer the truth i read about the war on cancer and what a ridiculous and what a ridiculous and what a ridiculous bull crap you know bull crap you know bull crap you know billion dollar debacle nixon signed this billion dollar debacle nixon signed this billion dollar debacle nixon signed this bill and it's the war on cancer and it's bill and it's the war on cancer and it's bill and it's the war on cancer and it's been when i was a child but it's been 50 been when i was a child but it's been 50 been when i was a child but it's been 50 years and we have barely moved any years and we have barely moved any years and we have barely moved any measure on measure on measure on cancer there's some things we can do cancer there's some things we can do cancer there's some things we can do hodgkin's lymphoma okay we got a good hodgkin's lymphoma okay we got a good hodgkin's lymphoma okay we got a good handle on very few handle on very few handle on very few so i started reading about this stuff so i started reading about this stuff so i started reading about this stuff but my intuition at the time was telling but my intuition at the time was telling but my intuition at the time was telling me more ice baths more in and out of
51:00me more ice baths more in and out of me more ice baths more in and out of ketosis i brought my psa down from over ketosis i brought my psa down from over ketosis i brought my psa down from over seven to under one seven to under one seven to under one no surgery no exam and i know it's not no surgery no exam and i know it's not no surgery no exam and i know it's not reliable and every once in a while i'll reliable and every once in a while i'll reliable and every once in a while i'll still get it checked but something else still get it checked but something else still get it checked but something else happened happened happened of course i'm going for the male health of course i'm going for the male health of course i'm going for the male health lipid panel and a different red lipid panel and a different red lipid panel and a different red exclamation mark came back exclamation mark came back exclamation mark came back and this one was my testosterone and this one was my testosterone and this one was my testosterone through the roof through the roof through the roof 11 40. it turns out you know i'm a 52 11 40. it turns out you know i'm a 52 11 40. it turns out you know i'm a 52 year old man and i'm walking around with year old man and i'm walking around with year old man and i'm walking around with the testosterone of an over sex 19 year the testosterone of an over sex 19 year the testosterone of an over sex 19 year old kid now my girlfriend was on old kid now my girlfriend was on old kid now my girlfriend was on somebody else's podcast and they asked somebody else's podcast and they asked somebody else's podcast and they asked her about this and she goes well i can her about this and she goes well i can her about this and she goes well i can tell you it's been a little bit of a tell you it's been a little bit of a tell you it's been a little bit of a problem you know she made a joke about problem you know she made a joke about problem you know she made a joke about it which was she's got a great sense of it which was she's got a great sense of it which was she's got a great sense of humor um humor um humor um and i'm back out on the dating scene and i'm back out on the dating scene and i'm back out on the dating scene like i'm having these new experiences like i'm having these new experiences like i'm having these new experiences and i don't really know what that's like and i don't really know what that's like and i don't really know what that's like but i've gotten i've dropped a lot of but i've gotten i've dropped a lot of but i've gotten i've dropped a lot of weight and my testosterone's through the weight and my testosterone's through the weight and my testosterone's through the roof i went to see my urologist he goes roof i went to see my urologist he goes roof i went to see my urologist he goes uh-huh well i tell you what why don't uh-huh well i tell you what why don't uh-huh well i tell you what why don't you just get this one other thing
52:00you just get this one other thing you just get this one other thing checked now my urologist is about the checked now my urologist is about the checked now my urologist is about the same age as me a little older and we're same age as me a little older and we're same age as me a little older and we're both you know highly educated and he both you know highly educated and he both you know highly educated and he watches me through this journey and he's watches me through this journey and he's watches me through this journey and he's like like like seeger's juicing you know i don't know seeger's juicing you know i don't know seeger's juicing you know i don't know or something or what he's taking but or something or what he's taking but or something or what he's taking but he's never seen results like this come he's never seen results like this come he's never seen results like this come to find out later this is pretty to find out later this is pretty to find out later this is pretty freaking normal i am not like some freaking normal i am not like some freaking normal i am not like some incredible testosterone exception it's incredible testosterone exception it's incredible testosterone exception it's just that in our standard american you just that in our standard american you just that in our standard american you know western world it's very unusual know western world it's very unusual know western world it's very unusual for 50 year old men who lead basically for 50 year old men who lead basically for 50 year old men who lead basically sedentary lives in the library or the sedentary lives in the library or the sedentary lives in the library or the laboratory to maintain these levels of laboratory to maintain these levels of laboratory to maintain these levels of testosterone that they had when they testosterone that they had when they testosterone that they had when they were teenagers were teenagers were teenagers he gets me checked for luteinizing he gets me checked for luteinizing he gets me checked for luteinizing hormone it's a metabolic precursor hormone it's a metabolic precursor hormone it's a metabolic precursor testosterone i had to look this up testosterone i had to look this up testosterone i had to look this up if you're juicing you can have high if you're juicing you can have high if you're juicing you can have high testosterone low luteinizing hormone but testosterone low luteinizing hormone but testosterone low luteinizing hormone but if it's all endogenous high luteinizing if it's all endogenous high luteinizing if it's all endogenous high luteinizing hormone high testosterone go get more hormone high testosterone go get more hormone high testosterone go get more blood drawn it comes back there's a red
53:00blood drawn it comes back there's a red blood drawn it comes back there's a red frequent exclamation mark and you know frequent exclamation mark and you know frequent exclamation mark and you know what that means i'm a tay my luteinizing what that means i'm a tay my luteinizing what that means i'm a tay my luteinizing hormone is through the roof hormone is through the roof hormone is through the roof how did this happen how did this happen how did this happen i gotta go back to the library like this i gotta go back to the library like this i gotta go back to the library like this either i'm gonna the hell with this ice either i'm gonna the hell with this ice either i'm gonna the hell with this ice bath business i'm gonna go do you know bath business i'm gonna go do you know bath business i'm gonna go do you know sell fake pills to boost your sell fake pills to boost your sell fake pills to boost your testosterone i hear that's a great testosterone i hear that's a great testosterone i hear that's a great business or i got to figure this out business or i got to figure this out business or i got to figure this out sure enough in japan this is the early sure enough in japan this is the early sure enough in japan this is the early 90s found a study that they did on 90s found a study that they did on 90s found a study that they did on college age men like so early 20s college age men like so early 20s college age men like so early 20s and they're like well we want to measure and they're like well we want to measure and they're like well we want to measure what happens hormonally when people do what happens hormonally when people do what happens hormonally when people do exercise and then they do an ice bath to exercise and then they do an ice bath to exercise and then they do an ice bath to recover from the exercise a classic recover from the exercise a classic recover from the exercise a classic question and they saw that testosterone question and they saw that testosterone question and they saw that testosterone was suppressed so this is another reason was suppressed so this is another reason was suppressed so this is another reason not to ice bath immediately after not to ice bath immediately after not to ice bath immediately after exercise because the ice bath took the exercise because the ice bath took the exercise because the ice bath took the testosterone levels way down and i don't testosterone levels way down and i don't testosterone levels way down and i don't know why these japanese scientists did know why these japanese scientists did know why these japanese scientists did it it it but in like 1991 they said well what the but in like 1991 they said well what the but in like 1991 they said well what the hell we'll try the other way around hell we'll try the other way around hell we'll try the other way around first you're gonna ice bath and then
54:00first you're gonna ice bath and then first you're gonna ice bath and then you're gonna get on the exercise bike you're gonna get on the exercise bike you're gonna get on the exercise bike and you're gonna re-warm and you're gonna re-warm and you're gonna re-warm sure enough they got in the ice bath sure enough they got in the ice bath sure enough they got in the ice bath t-levels went boom but they went on the t-levels went boom but they went on the t-levels went boom but they went on the exercise bike after exercise bike after exercise bike after and they went way the heck up and they went way the heck up and they went way the heck up luteinizing hormone weigh the heck up t luteinizing hormone weigh the heck up t luteinizing hormone weigh the heck up t levels weigh the heck up higher than levels weigh the heck up higher than levels weigh the heck up higher than before they got in the ice pack and i go before they got in the ice pack and i go before they got in the ice pack and i go this is exactly what i've been doing i this is exactly what i've been doing i this is exactly what i've been doing i was scared i'm out of my mind about my was scared i'm out of my mind about my was scared i'm out of my mind about my prostate i'm getting into the ice bath i prostate i'm getting into the ice bath i prostate i'm getting into the ice bath i come out come out come out and it's cold as hell i'm like okay i and it's cold as hell i'm like okay i and it's cold as hell i'm like okay i gotta do something leo savage showed me gotta do something leo savage showed me gotta do something leo savage showed me how to use a steel mace you know i did how to use a steel mace you know i did how to use a steel mace you know i did like a two course with him to get like a two course with him to get like a two course with him to get certified in this like persian martial certified in this like persian martial certified in this like persian martial art kind of thing but he just wants to art kind of thing but he just wants to art kind of thing but he just wants to teach me how to dance which i don't mind teach me how to dance which i don't mind teach me how to dance which i don't mind but it was so i get out of the ice bath but it was so i get out of the ice bath but it was so i get out of the ice bath and i pick up my mace and i'm doing the and i pick up my mace and i'm doing the and i pick up my mace and i'm doing the stuff that leo tells me to do because stuff that leo tells me to do because stuff that leo tells me to do because i'm cold i'm cold i'm cold and i'm re-warming and i'm re-warming and i'm re-warming with exercise and i go amate i've been
55:00with exercise and i go amate i've been with exercise and i go amate i've been doing this japanese protocol of using doing this japanese protocol of using doing this japanese protocol of using exercise to recover from the ice bath exercise to recover from the ice bath exercise to recover from the ice bath and my testosterone and luteinizing and my testosterone and luteinizing and my testosterone and luteinizing hormone go through the roof exactly the hormone go through the roof exactly the hormone go through the roof exactly the way their research just so i had to way their research just so i had to way their research just so i had to write a whole article on it write a whole article on it write a whole article on it and jason goes ah it's [ __ ] okay he and jason goes ah it's [ __ ] okay he and jason goes ah it's [ __ ] okay he didn't actually say that but i know he's didn't actually say that but i know he's didn't actually say that but i know he's thinking it because i know him pretty thinking it because i know him pretty thinking it because i know him pretty well he goes it's not your ice bath well he goes it's not your ice bath well he goes it's not your ice bath exercise regimen look you're out on the exercise regimen look you're out on the exercise regimen look you're out on the dating game again you lost some weight dating game again you lost some weight dating game again you lost some weight you're feeling good about yourself you you're feeling good about yourself you you're feeling good about yourself you got these ladies that are you know got these ladies that are you know got these ladies that are you know texting you and stuff that's what your texting you and stuff that's what your texting you and stuff that's what your testosterone is testosterone is testosterone is okay jason's got kids okay jason's got kids okay jason's got kids jason's married jason's married jason's married all of these things have been in you all of these things have been in you all of these things have been in you know epidemiologically shown to depress know epidemiologically shown to depress know epidemiologically shown to depress testosterone so jason goes i'll show you testosterone so jason goes i'll show you testosterone so jason goes i'll show you i'll get my testosterone checked he's i'll get my testosterone checked he's i'll get my testosterone checked he's been doing this on his birthday for two been doing this on his birthday for two been doing this on his birthday for two years in a row his last test you know years in a row his last test you know years in a row his last test you know october birthday
56:00october birthday october birthday 9.90 9.90 9.90 wow wow wow that is again that like no there's some that is again that like no there's some that is again that like no there's some seasonality it's higher during the seasonality it's higher during the seasonality it's higher during the summer and jason's testing during the summer and jason's testing during the summer and jason's testing during the fall but are you kidding me 9 90. fall but are you kidding me 9 90. fall but are you kidding me 9 90. jason's in his early 40s it is that he's jason's in his early 40s it is that he's jason's in his early 40s it is that he's supposed to be falling off a cliff yeah supposed to be falling off a cliff yeah supposed to be falling off a cliff yeah he's gone up every year he's gone up every year he's gone up every year there's now we have the experience and there's now we have the experience and there's now we have the experience and we have the science we have the science we have the science this is the kind of advice this is the kind of advice this is the kind of advice that guys my age should try i'm not that guys my age should try i'm not that guys my age should try i'm not taking tell them to take it i'm saying taking tell them to take it i'm saying taking tell them to take it i'm saying get your t-level checked get your t-level checked get your t-level checked start the ice bath do the exercise three start the ice bath do the exercise three start the ice bath do the exercise three months later get it checked again see if months later get it checked again see if months later get it checked again see if anything happens for you and what does anything happens for you and what does anything happens for you and what does testosterone do testosterone do testosterone do ice baths will not help you lose weight ice baths will not help you lose weight ice baths will not help you lose weight through some calorie in calorie out through some calorie in calorie out through some calorie in calorie out hypothesis but testosterone hypothesis but testosterone hypothesis but testosterone signals your body to change your body signals your body to change your body signals your body to change your body composition composition it will tell your body to take the it will tell your body to take the it will tell your body to take the calories that you're eating and channel calories that you're eating and channel calories that you're eating and channel more of them into building muscle and
57:00more of them into building muscle and more of them into building muscle and less of them into building fat which is less of them into building fat which is less of them into building fat which is really what we want it's not what the really what we want it's not what the really what we want it's not what the scale says it's what is the body scale says it's what is the body scale says it's what is the body composition composition sorry sorry sorry if you use them properly if you use them if you use them properly if you use them if you use them properly if you use them as a precursor to your workout if you as a precursor to your workout if you as a precursor to your workout if you use exercise to recover from your cold use exercise to recover from your cold use exercise to recover from your cold exposure instead of the other way around exposure instead of the other way around exposure instead of the other way around then you could lose some weight then you then you could lose some weight then you then you could lose some weight then you could gain some muscle then it will help could gain some muscle then it will help could gain some muscle then it will help with your body composition yeah and and with your body composition yeah and and with your body composition yeah and and that's a very good point because that's a very good point because that's a very good point because you know canada to you know canada to you know canada to obviously we're going to have adrian on obviously we're going to have adrian on obviously we're going to have adrian on the podcast and we're really going to the podcast and we're really going to the podcast and we're really going to get into um different methods of us kind get into um different methods of us kind get into um different methods of us kind of exposing ourselves and obviously of exposing ourselves and obviously of exposing ourselves and obviously getting through getting through getting through the more the more the more hands-on or yeah to get to get more hands-on or yeah to get to get more hands-on or yeah to get to get more how-to's how-to's how-to's but i did want to kind of maybe wrap up but i did want to kind of maybe wrap up but i did want to kind of maybe wrap up our discussion our discussion our discussion in in what is a a a healthy or what is the uh
58:00what is a a a healthy or what is the uh what is a a a healthy or what is the uh amount that we should be exposing amount that we should be exposing amount that we should be exposing ourselves to the cold ourselves to the cold ourselves to the cold uh you know uh you know uh you know time wise and and times for weak time wise and and times for weak time wise and and times for weak how does it look like how does it look like how does it look like there's a researcher in denmark cuba there's a researcher in denmark cuba there's a researcher in denmark cuba incites her all the time susannah incites her all the time susannah incites her all the time susannah sir i don't know i can't if you want to sir i don't know i can't if you want to sir i don't know i can't if you want to learn danish you got to stick a potato learn danish you got to stick a potato learn danish you got to stick a potato in your mouth you know and then all of in your mouth you know and then all of in your mouth you know and then all of the consonants are going to come out the consonants are going to come out the consonants are going to come out better so in english you would say better so in english you would say better so in english you would say soberg soberg soberg but in danish it's a little bit but in danish it's a little bit but in danish it's a little bit different and i'm going to mutilate it different and i'm going to mutilate it different and i'm going to mutilate it but serbor or something like on this but serbor or something like on this but serbor or something like on this effect she's on instagram she looks effect she's on instagram she looks effect she's on instagram she looks great she does these cold water great she does these cold water great she does these cold water immersion videos in her bathing suit and immersion videos in her bathing suit and immersion videos in her bathing suit and that attracts a lot of people to the that attracts a lot of people to the that attracts a lot of people to the science she published a paper in cell science she published a paper in cell science she published a paper in cell and she did these and she did these and she did these exhaustive um exhaustive um exhaustive um descriptions descriptions descriptions of brown fat in cold water swimmers and of brown fat in cold water swimmers and of brown fat in cold water swimmers and here's what she came up with a limit 11 here's what she came up with a limit 11 here's what she came up with a limit 11 minutes a week now
59:00minutes a week now minutes a week now she doesn't have a forge but she has a she doesn't have a forge but she has a she doesn't have a forge but she has a fjord you know she can go into the fjord you know she can go into the fjord you know she can go into the channel into the ocean and it's wicked channel into the ocean and it's wicked channel into the ocean and it's wicked freaking cold in denmark in the winter freaking cold in denmark in the winter freaking cold in denmark in the winter so she's getting good like four degrees so she's getting good like four degrees so she's getting good like four degrees c three degrees c c three degrees c c three degrees c a good cold exposure down at the kind of a good cold exposure down at the kind of a good cold exposure down at the kind of temperatures that are typical of a forge temperatures that are typical of a forge temperatures that are typical of a forge she says 11 minutes 11 minutes a week she says 11 minutes 11 minutes a week she says 11 minutes 11 minutes a week and it doesn't matter how you divide it and it doesn't matter how you divide it and it doesn't matter how you divide it up do one minute then do four then do up do one minute then do four then do up do one minute then do four then do two two two just get 11 minutes a week you will just get 11 minutes a week you will just get 11 minutes a week you will recruit brown fat you will get the recruit brown fat you will get the recruit brown fat you will get the metabolic benefits metabolic benefits metabolic benefits so i am i'm gonna cite per work as so i am i'm gonna cite per work as so i am i'm gonna cite per work as divide it up any way you want do the 11 divide it up any way you want do the 11 divide it up any way you want do the 11 minutes all at once if that's what you minutes all at once if that's what you minutes all at once if that's what you got to do but get your 11 minutes a week got to do but get your 11 minutes a week got to do but get your 11 minutes a week and that will maintain the brown fat and and that will maintain the brown fat and and that will maintain the brown fat and the metabolic benefits the metabolic benefits the metabolic benefits but there's something else that goes but there's something else that goes but there's something else that goes it's outside the scope of her study and it's outside the scope of her study and it's outside the scope of her study and it goes back to the psychology it goes back to the psychology it goes back to the psychology my girlfriend has a daughter um my girlfriend has a daughter um my girlfriend has a daughter um she has cerebral palsy she has cerebral palsy she has cerebral palsy which cp for short
1:00which cp for short which cp for short and and part of that is a spinal defect she part of that is a spinal defect she part of that is a spinal defect she doesn't have the sensation in her feet doesn't have the sensation in her feet doesn't have the sensation in her feet that you and i have that you and i have that you and i have so the daughter was almost 10 years old so the daughter was almost 10 years old so the daughter was almost 10 years old and she sees me you know out of my forge and she sees me you know out of my forge and she sees me you know out of my forge and kids are like this they're like oh and kids are like this they're like oh and kids are like this they're like oh can i do it you know as if that was can i do it you know as if that was can i do it you know as if that was going to be fun or something but kids going to be fun or something but kids going to be fun or something but kids always want to try stuff that grown-ups always want to try stuff that grown-ups always want to try stuff that grown-ups they admire are doing and her mother my they admire are doing and her mother my they admire are doing and her mother my girlfriend is kind of like oh boy you girlfriend is kind of like oh boy you girlfriend is kind of like oh boy you know know i want to be very careful with my child i want to be very careful with my child i want to be very careful with my child she's got cerebral palsy she's got the she's got cerebral palsy she's got the she's got cerebral palsy she's got the spinal cord like sensitivity thing um spinal cord like sensitivity thing um spinal cord like sensitivity thing um but mom doesn't want to discourage her but mom doesn't want to discourage her but mom doesn't want to discourage her kid kid kid from trying things either because from trying things either because from trying things either because you know when she was little the doctors you know when she was little the doctors you know when she was little the doctors taught her in braces and they said well taught her in braces and they said well taught her in braces and they said well you better buy a one-story home your you better buy a one-story home your you better buy a one-story home your child's never gonna be able to do stairs child's never gonna be able to do stairs child's never gonna be able to do stairs and yeah it should be lucky if she and yeah it should be lucky if she and yeah it should be lucky if she learns to walk and if my girlfriend had learns to walk and if my girlfriend had learns to walk and if my girlfriend had raised her daughter with that kind of raised her daughter with that kind of raised her daughter with that kind of mentality then mentality then mentality then the girl would never learn to walk she the girl would never learn to walk she the girl would never learn to walk she doesn't want the daughter to think of doesn't want the daughter to think of doesn't want the daughter to think of herself as limited
1:01herself as limited herself as limited so the daughter says can i get in and my so the daughter says can i get in and my so the daughter says can i get in and my girlfriend is like well girlfriend is like well girlfriend is like well you could you know you could maybe you you could you know you could maybe you you could you know you could maybe you could put your feet in could put your feet in could put your feet in and that's it so she does and that's it so she does and that's it so she does daughter says mom this feels really good daughter says mom this feels really good daughter says mom this feels really good on my feet on my feet on my feet can i go in up to my waist can i go in up to my waist can i go in up to my waist and my girlfriend who suffers from red and my girlfriend who suffers from red and my girlfriend who suffers from red knots like she is not good in the cold knots like she is not good in the cold knots like she is not good in the cold yes of course honey you can go in up to yes of course honey you can go in up to yes of course honey you can go in up to your waist your waist your waist and she goes mom i like this and she goes mom i like this and she goes mom i like this now she's temp she's feeling sensations now she's temp she's feeling sensations now she's temp she's feeling sensations in her lower body that you and i take in her lower body that you and i take in her lower body that you and i take for granted but she is now for the first for granted but she is now for the first for granted but she is now for the first time in touch like through her nervous time in touch like through her nervous time in touch like through her nervous system with what is going on in her system with what is going on in her system with what is going on in her lower body in a way that she hasn't lower body in a way that she hasn't lower body in a way that she hasn't experienced before she says mom experienced before she says mom experienced before she says mom can i go up to my armpits can i go up to my armpits can i go up to my armpits and my girlfriend can't even watch at and my girlfriend can't even watch at and my girlfriend can't even watch at this point because she's afraid this point because she's afraid this point because she's afraid she's empathizing with her daughter and she's empathizing with her daughter and she's empathizing with her daughter and she knows what kind of response she
1:02she knows what kind of response she she knows what kind of response she would have in the cold from her nods would have in the cold from her nods would have in the cold from her nods daughter goes in up to the armpits she's daughter goes in up to the armpits she's daughter goes in up to the armpits she's smiling she's talking she's having a smiling she's talking she's having a smiling she's talking she's having a wonderful experience wonderful experience wonderful experience that is what motivated my girlfriend to that is what motivated my girlfriend to that is what motivated my girlfriend to get into the ice bath because when her get into the ice bath because when her get into the ice bath because when her daughter came out and talked about how daughter came out and talked about how daughter came out and talked about how wonderful it was my girlfriend said well wonderful it was my girlfriend said well wonderful it was my girlfriend said well i've got to set a good example i've got i've got to set a good example i've got i've got to set a good example i've got to give this a try we got a video adrian to give this a try we got a video adrian to give this a try we got a video adrian coaster through it coaster through it coaster through it she talks about her renaud's turns out she talks about her renaud's turns out she talks about her renaud's turns out you go back to the library and for a you go back to the library and for a you go back to the library and for a particular kind of renaults i forget particular kind of renaults i forget particular kind of renaults i forget whether it's primary or secondary sure whether it's primary or secondary sure whether it's primary or secondary sure enough deliberate cold exposure it's a enough deliberate cold exposure it's a enough deliberate cold exposure it's a stress inoculation response sure enough stress inoculation response sure enough stress inoculation response sure enough delivery cold exposure is how you delivery cold exposure is how you delivery cold exposure is how you resolve your renown and i'm like ah it resolve your renown and i'm like ah it resolve your renown and i'm like ah it makes sense vasoconstriction makes sense vasoconstriction makes sense vasoconstriction vasodilation brown fat right so now vasodilation brown fat right so now vasodilation brown fat right so now she's got no problem she's got no problem she's got no problem now uh my daughter's girlfriend is 12. now uh my daughter's girlfriend is 12. now uh my daughter's girlfriend is 12. and this is what i mean about susannah and this is what i mean about susannah and this is what i mean about susannah sober says get your 11 minutes sober says get your 11 minutes sober says get your 11 minutes this 12 year old with cp did 30 minutes this 12 year old with cp did 30 minutes this 12 year old with cp did 30 minutes in the iceberg wow because it was in the iceberg wow because it was in the iceberg wow because it was something psychologically going on
1:03something psychologically going on something psychologically going on she knows that joe rogan has a forge she she knows that joe rogan has a forge she she knows that joe rogan has a forge she knows that joe rogan did like a minute knows that joe rogan did like a minute knows that joe rogan did like a minute and a half called himself a wimp jumped and a half called himself a wimp jumped and a half called himself a wimp jumped out of the forge got into his sauna and out of the forge got into his sauna and out of the forge got into his sauna and got a call from jocko wilner and jocko got a call from jocko wilner and jocko got a call from jocko wilner and jocko says a minute and a half says a minute and a half says a minute and a half my son can do 20 minutes you should be my son can do 20 minutes you should be my son can do 20 minutes you should be ashamed i don't know if jacob really ashamed i don't know if jacob really ashamed i don't know if jacob really talks like this i've never met jocko talks like this i've never met jocko talks like this i've never met jocko right but joe posted the next day and right but joe posted the next day and right but joe posted the next day and joe's like well jocko will wilknick joe's like well jocko will wilknick joe's like well jocko will wilknick called me up and he made me feel like a called me up and he made me feel like a called me up and he made me feel like a wimp so i gotta go back in the ice bath wimp so i gotta go back in the ice bath wimp so i gotta go back in the ice bath and i'm gonna do 20 minutes damn it and i'm gonna do 20 minutes damn it and i'm gonna do 20 minutes damn it because that's what jocko says i should because that's what jocko says i should because that's what jocko says i should be able to do be able to do be able to do it's the most boring 20 minutes of joe it's the most boring 20 minutes of joe it's the most boring 20 minutes of joe rogan you're ever going to see in your rogan you're ever going to see in your rogan you're ever going to see in your life because the guy is funny and he's life because the guy is funny and he's life because the guy is funny and he's smart and he's hilarious but this is 20 smart and he's hilarious but this is 20 smart and he's hilarious but this is 20 minutes over you know doing this and minutes over you know doing this and minutes over you know doing this and that's it that's it that's it he was after something he had a goal and he was after something he had a goal and he was after something he had a goal and he wanted to achieve it and that is not he wanted to achieve it and that is not he wanted to achieve it and that is not metabolic and it's got nothing to do metabolic and it's got nothing to do metabolic and it's got nothing to do with you know brown fat and he's like
1:04with you know brown fat and he's like with you know brown fat and he's like jocko dared me to do it and i'm gonna jocko dared me to do it and i'm gonna jocko dared me to do it and i'm gonna freaking do it freaking do it freaking do it because that's the kind of guy i am because that's the kind of guy i am because that's the kind of guy i am you know good for you joe it started you know good for you joe it started you know good for you joe it started this whole internet sensation last this whole internet sensation last this whole internet sensation last summer somebody made a joe rogan ice summer somebody made a joe rogan ice summer somebody made a joe rogan ice bath action bath action bath action and put it up on twitter and you know and put it up on twitter and you know and put it up on twitter and you know tagged it was freaking hilarious we'll tagged it was freaking hilarious we'll tagged it was freaking hilarious we'll probably retweet it next week probably retweet it next week probably retweet it next week and my girlfriend's daughter and my girlfriend's daughter and my girlfriend's daughter knows that joe rogan did 20 minutes knows that joe rogan did 20 minutes knows that joe rogan did 20 minutes so she's like i'm gonna beat him so she's like i'm gonna beat him so she's like i'm gonna beat him wow wow what do you say what do you say what do you say she gets in there and she's like how she gets in there and she's like how she gets in there and she's like how long's it been and my girlfriend's long's it been and my girlfriend's long's it been and my girlfriend's really worried she's texting me i'm in really worried she's texting me i'm in really worried she's texting me i'm in the next room and she's like tom it's 12 the next room and she's like tom it's 12 the next room and she's like tom it's 12 minutes is she okay tell me she's okay minutes is she okay tell me she's okay minutes is she okay tell me she's okay i'm like look hypothermia it'll take an i'm like look hypothermia it'll take an i'm like look hypothermia it'll take an hour and she's young you know we can hour and she's young you know we can hour and she's young you know we can always take her to the hospital if it's always take her to the hospital if it's always take her to the hospital if it's really i'm and i'm kind of i'm poking my really i'm and i'm kind of i'm poking my really i'm and i'm kind of i'm poking my i probably shouldn't do this i'm a tape i probably shouldn't do this i'm a tape i probably shouldn't do this i'm a tape um she goes it's been 20 minutes she's um she goes it's been 20 minutes she's um she goes it's been 20 minutes she's beaten joe rogan
1:05beaten joe rogan beaten joe rogan can't she come out she says she doesn't can't she come out she says she doesn't can't she come out she says she doesn't want to come out want to come out want to come out i say i say i say i've done the we have this great article i've done the we have this great article i've done the we have this great article on the dangers of ice baths and on the dangers of ice baths and on the dangers of ice baths and hypothermia is like hypothermia is like hypothermia is like the you don't have to worry about it the you don't have to worry about it the you don't have to worry about it even though kelly mcgonagall slipped it even though kelly mcgonagall slipped it even though kelly mcgonagall slipped it into like a ted talk or a book or into like a ted talk or a book or into like a ted talk or a book or something she goes oh two minutes you're something she goes oh two minutes you're something she goes oh two minutes you're gonna die no that's not true you got gonna die no that's not true you got gonna die no that's not true you got like an hour before your core like an hour before your core like an hour before your core temperature is going to drop more than temperature is going to drop more than temperature is going to drop more than like a degree and a half fahrenheit or like a degree and a half fahrenheit or like a degree and a half fahrenheit or maybe it's celsius but i'm not concerned maybe it's celsius but i'm not concerned maybe it's celsius but i'm not concerned about that about that about that she she she my girlfriend's daughter gets up to 30 my girlfriend's daughter gets up to 30 my girlfriend's daughter gets up to 30 minutes minutes minutes and now my girlfriend is begging me to and now my girlfriend is begging me to and now my girlfriend is begging me to tell her to get out and i'm starting to tell her to get out and i'm starting to tell her to get out and i'm starting to worry myself like wait a second i'm not worry myself like wait a second i'm not worry myself like wait a second i'm not a medical doctor i don't know anything a medical doctor i don't know anything a medical doctor i don't know anything about cerebral palsy like what am i about cerebral palsy like what am i about cerebral palsy like what am i doing i'm like okay you get doing i'm like okay you get doing i'm like okay you get get out of the ice bath get out of the ice bath get out of the ice bath now there's something about now there's something about now there's something about the way her nervous system the way her nervous system the way her nervous system is constructed that is different than is constructed that is different than is constructed that is different than you and me you and me you and me she doesn't feel the cold she doesn't
1:06she doesn't feel the cold she doesn't she doesn't feel the cold she doesn't get the same warning signs from her toes get the same warning signs from her toes get the same warning signs from her toes and from her skin and from her skin and from her skin she experiences sensations she doesn't she experiences sensations she doesn't she experiences sensations she doesn't want to give up want to give up want to give up when she came out when she came out when she came out her legs didn't really work her legs didn't really work her legs didn't really work um um you know i mean she was walking and we you know i mean she was walking and we you know i mean she was walking and we gave her some things to do to help her gave her some things to do to help her gave her some things to do to help her rewarm it took forever but i said all rewarm it took forever but i said all rewarm it took forever but i said all right get her in the car we live in right get her in the car we live in right get her in the car we live in phoenix i want you to do a car sauna phoenix i want you to do a car sauna phoenix i want you to do a car sauna turn the heat up as high as you can turn the heat up as high as you can turn the heat up as high as you can stand it and for my girlfriend with her stand it and for my girlfriend with her stand it and for my girlfriend with her daughter that's like all the way daughter that's like all the way daughter that's like all the way drive around in the car with the heat on drive around in the car with the heat on drive around in the car with the heat on because i've done the measurements because i've done the measurements because i've done the measurements you're going to get up to like 175 you're going to get up to like 175 you're going to get up to like 175 degrees fahrenheit you degrees fahrenheit you degrees fahrenheit you my girlfriend will be sweating like my girlfriend will be sweating like my girlfriend will be sweating like crazy we call it car sauna here but it crazy we call it car sauna here but it crazy we call it car sauna here but it will help the dry heat is the way to will help the dry heat is the way to will help the dry heat is the way to re-warm not wet heat dry heat because re-warm not wet heat dry heat because re-warm not wet heat dry heat because wet heat can also cause vasoconstriction wet heat can also cause vasoconstriction wet heat can also cause vasoconstriction and you want vasodilation after you've and you want vasodilation after you've and you want vasodilation after you've been through the ice bath so we rewarmed been through the ice bath so we rewarmed been through the ice bath so we rewarmed the girl and i've been thinking there's the girl and i've been thinking there's the girl and i've been thinking there's something more than
1:07something more than something more than 11 11 11 minutes a week minutes a week minutes a week when you are working on when you are working on when you are working on the nervous system the nervous system the nervous system your psychology when there's something your psychology when there's something your psychology when there's something you need to do you need to do you need to do to feel right about yourself to feel right about yourself to feel right about yourself then do it then do it then do it do it with the support of your mother or do it with the support of your mother or do it with the support of your mother or your friends or more experienced your friends or more experienced your friends or more experienced experienced people the psychological experienced people the psychological experienced people the psychological element is why i need ice in the forge element is why i need ice in the forge element is why i need ice in the forge because when i stare at that ice it because when i stare at that ice it because when i stare at that ice it scares the crap out of me and this still scares the crap out of me and this still scares the crap out of me and this still happens i've been at this for years i've happens i've been at this for years i've happens i've been at this for years i've invented the freaking machine you know invented the freaking machine you know invented the freaking machine you know adrian invented the method and me and adrian invented the method and me and adrian invented the method and me and jason and adrian have been doing this jason and adrian have been doing this jason and adrian have been doing this all the time and i stare down on that all the time and i stare down on that all the time and i stare down on that ice and i'm like you know it's terrible you know it's terrible i need the ice i need the 34 degrees i need the ice i need the 34 degrees i need the ice i need the 34 degrees because if i'm not anxious because if i'm not anxious because if i'm not anxious i don't feel the same sense of i don't feel the same sense of i don't feel the same sense of accomplishment accomplishment accomplishment sometimes i remember like my sometimes i remember like my sometimes i remember like my girlfriend's daughter i'm like tom girlfriend's daughter i'm like tom
1:08girlfriend's daughter i'm like tom you're such a wimp like you're such a wimp like you're such a wimp like just freaking get in you know we'll just just freaking get in you know we'll just just freaking get in you know we'll just do 15 seconds today that's all you got do 15 seconds today that's all you got do 15 seconds today that's all you got to do because the 15 seconds to the and to do because the 15 seconds to the and to do because the 15 seconds to the and then you get out and you go on your day then you get out and you go on your day then you get out and you go on your day teach your class whatever of course teach your class whatever of course teach your class whatever of course 15 seconds are over and i'm like oh 15 seconds are over and i'm like oh 15 seconds are over and i'm like oh all right all right all right you know i could stay here two three you know i could stay here two three you know i could stay here two three minutes go by and i'm like all right minutes go by and i'm like all right minutes go by and i'm like all right this is getting boring like don't i have this is getting boring like don't i have this is getting boring like don't i have stuff i got to write a paper or stuff i got to write a paper or stuff i got to write a paper or something like yeah five minutes go by something like yeah five minutes go by something like yeah five minutes go by and i'm like i'm getting back to my life and i'm like i'm getting back to my life and i'm like i'm getting back to my life it's no big deal i i love i love that it's no big deal i i love i love that it's no big deal i i love i love that that story and i agree with you i think that story and i agree with you i think that story and i agree with you i think i think there is the physical benefits i think there is the physical benefits i think there is the physical benefits and there are the mental benefits that and there are the mental benefits that and there are the mental benefits that are somewhere intertwined but they also are somewhere intertwined but they also are somewhere intertwined but they also have their own journey that we can go have their own journey that we can go have their own journey that we can go through and i think that was a very nice through and i think that was a very nice through and i think that was a very nice because we do need to wrap it up we uh i think we should i think we should do a i think we should i think we should do a series of those because i believe in the series of those because i believe in the series of those because i believe in the in the effects of ice bath both both in the effects of ice bath both both in the effects of ice bath both both physically and mentally i think it's
1:09physically and mentally i think it's physically and mentally i think it's something that something that something that we need to support each and every one of we need to support each and every one of we need to support each and every one of us in order to introduce it to uh our us in order to introduce it to uh our us in order to introduce it to uh our society's society's society's uh way of living living life but i want uh way of living living life but i want uh way of living living life but i want it in chunks where people would would it in chunks where people would would it in chunks where people would would would like to consume it again we're would like to consume it again we're would like to consume it again we're gonna have your your partner the person gonna have your your partner the person gonna have your your partner the person who does the uh the ritualistic aspect who does the uh the ritualistic aspect who does the uh the ritualistic aspect around it adrian and uh around it adrian and uh around it adrian and uh let's do that again in order to dive let's do that again in order to dive let's do that again in order to dive more to actual more to actual more to actual uh maybe more pinpoint science obviously uh maybe more pinpoint science obviously uh maybe more pinpoint science obviously i'm addicted to your uh to your ice bath i'm addicted to your uh to your ice bath i'm addicted to your uh to your ice bath which is called the iron forge i'm sorry which is called the iron forge i'm sorry which is called the iron forge i'm sorry iron forge is another device which which iron forge is another device which which iron forge is another device which which is called the forge uh by morosco forge is called the forge uh by morosco forge is called the forge uh by morosco forge what what i can uh tell anyone who is what what i can uh tell anyone who is what what i can uh tell anyone who is looking to get an ice bath is that you looking to get an ice bath is that you looking to get an ice bath is that you yours is yours is yours is not only uh uniquely uh designed and not only uh uniquely uh designed and not only uh uniquely uh designed and just in amazing devices that it's the just in amazing devices that it's the just in amazing devices that it's the only device that i would really only device that i would really only device that i would really recommend recommend recommend uh uh going through a live journey with uh and going through a live journey with uh and going through a live journey with uh and and that and that we should all be um
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1:11the i mean you will find us if you go the i mean you will find us if you go for morozco forge ice bath you don't for morozco forge ice bath you don't for morozco forge ice bath you don't have to spell it right it'll get to us have to spell it right it'll get to us have to spell it right it'll get to us you'll see all our competitors too you'll see all our competitors too you'll see all our competitors too because they've been like stuffing because they've been like stuffing because they've been like stuffing morozco into their html tags and stuff morozco into their html tags and stuff morozco into their html tags and stuff to try and rank on our to try and rank on our to try and rank on our i'm a terrible salesman amateur i'm a terrible salesman amateur i'm a terrible salesman amateur and i know you're going to have links on and i know you're going to have links on and i know you're going to have links on your website but for those people in your website but for those people in your website but for those people in their car what they got to remember is their car what they got to remember is their car what they got to remember is morozco forge ice bath and then we'll morozco forge ice bath and then we'll morozco forge ice bath and then we'll come up come up come up that sounds great and obviously um we that sounds great and obviously um we that sounds great and obviously um we are going to have links so it would be are going to have links so it would be are going to have links so it would be easier for people to easier for people to easier for people to um um go to your website directly i highly go to your website directly i highly go to your website directly i highly recommend also your instagram page i recommend also your instagram page i recommend also your instagram page i think it's extremely um think it's extremely um think it's extremely um informative and uh supportive as well if informative and uh supportive as well if informative and uh supportive as well if you're going through that cold exposure you're going through that cold exposure you're going through that cold exposure journey um again thank you uh tom seeger journey um again thank you uh tom seeger journey um again thank you uh tom seeger thank you very much it was a absolute thank you very much it was a absolute thank you very much it was a absolute pleasure talking to you pleasure talking to you pleasure talking to you and um and um we will we will be talking again soon so we will we will be talking again soon so
1:12we will we will be talking again soon so thank you very much thank you very much thank you very much i got to say one more other thing you i got to say one more other thing you i got to say one more other thing you sold me that young goose stuff i don't sold me that young goose stuff i don't sold me that young goose stuff i don't even remember what it is even remember what it is even remember what it is i'm at an age where i have age spots on i'm at an age where i have age spots on i'm at an age where i have age spots on my face you asked me how i was doing and my face you asked me how i was doing and my face you asked me how i was doing and i feel terrible if i don't tell you it's i feel terrible if i don't tell you it's i feel terrible if i don't tell you it's great great thank you very much really happy with thank you very much really happy with thank you very much really happy with the results and i started getting them the results and i started getting them the results and i started getting them like the first few days that i was using like the first few days that i was using like the first few days that i was using it i don't always remember but now i it i don't always remember but now i it i don't always remember but now i don't want to give it up don't want to give it up don't want to give it up that's amazing so that's amazing so that's amazing so tom you you've been amazing again tom you you've been amazing again tom you you've been amazing again anyone listening to this podcast please anyone listening to this podcast please anyone listening to this podcast please stay tuned we're going to do a series of stay tuned we're going to do a series of stay tuned we're going to do a series of those those those um um and um thank you again everyone