Cold Plunge Cam on How Ice Baths and Cold Exposure can help your mental health E
00:00I remember I remember just being in the water and just being in the water and just being in the water and and my goal at the time was like Hey I and my goal at the time was like Hey I and my goal at the time was like Hey I just I want to go through the winner you just I want to go through the winner you just I want to go through the winner you know I want to do this through the know I want to do this through the know I want to do this through the winter because it makes me feel good winter because it makes me feel good winter because it makes me feel good um when I get out I feel good but I um when I get out I feel good but I um when I get out I feel good but I um there was also a lot of thoughts in um there was also a lot of thoughts in um there was also a lot of thoughts in there of there of there of of I'm just gonna stay here as long as I of I'm just gonna stay here as long as I of I'm just gonna stay here as long as I can can can I'm just going because when I'm in the I'm just going because when I'm in the I'm just going because when I'm in the water water water everything that's intimidating and scary everything that's intimidating and scary everything that's intimidating and scary to me on the outside to me on the outside to me on the outside everything that I deal with day to day everything that I deal with day to day everything that I deal with day to day um all of my all of my personal um all of my all of my personal um all of my all of my personal struggles struggles struggles I can't think of any of that [Music] [Music] all right today on the 38 challenge all right today on the 38 challenge all right today on the 38 challenge podcast we have cold plunge cam cam is podcast we have cold plunge cam cam is podcast we have cold plunge cam cam is using ice baths cold exposure to to
01:00using ice baths cold exposure to to using ice baths cold exposure to to address mental health and man I'm just address mental health and man I'm just address mental health and man I'm just super super excited for you to be on the super super excited for you to be on the super super excited for you to be on the show today cam thank you so much for for show today cam thank you so much for for show today cam thank you so much for for coming on brother coming on brother coming on brother so glad to be here so glad to be here so glad to be here absolutely yeah we um absolutely yeah we um absolutely yeah we um we had a snowstorm in Dallas this week we had a snowstorm in Dallas this week we had a snowstorm in Dallas this week so it was freezing rain the whole week so it was freezing rain the whole week so it was freezing rain the whole week it was about in the in the 20s which is it was about in the in the 20s which is it was about in the in the 20s which is not you know typical Texas weather the not you know typical Texas weather the not you know typical Texas weather the whole city shut down whole city shut down whole city shut down and I used it I knew we were going to and I used it I knew we were going to and I used it I knew we were going to have this podcast so I used it as a have this podcast so I used it as a have this podcast so I used it as a as a way for me to to get my coal punch as a way for me to to get my coal punch as a way for me to to get my coal punch in so seven days a week this week this in so seven days a week this week this in so seven days a week this week this morning before for the podcast did it morning before for the podcast did it morning before for the podcast did it did every day this weekend in did every day this weekend in did every day this weekend in preparation for for this podcast preparation for for this podcast preparation for for this podcast love it that's awesome Yep love it that's awesome Yep love it that's awesome Yep yes sir gotta use the uh gotta gotta use yes sir gotta use the uh gotta gotta use yes sir gotta use the uh gotta gotta use the the the tools that you have at your the the the tools that you have at your the the the tools that you have at your disposal right and and sometimes when disposal right and and sometimes when disposal right and and sometimes when that weather comes right that weather comes right that weather comes right um we so quickly turn it to a to a um we so quickly turn it to a to a um we so quickly turn it to a to a negative thing right but the fact that
02:00negative thing right but the fact that negative thing right but the fact that you could use it as a hey this is an you could use it as a hey this is an you could use it as a hey this is an opportunity this is a positive that in opportunity this is a positive that in opportunity this is a positive that in and of itself is uh is powerful and of itself is uh is powerful and of itself is uh is powerful yeah man we were like ice skating to get yeah man we were like ice skating to get yeah man we were like ice skating to get out to the apartment pool and it's the out to the apartment pool and it's the out to the apartment pool and it's the the water pump still go so like the the water pump still go so like the the water pump still go so like the circulation was going it just made it circulation was going it just made it circulation was going it just made it brutally cold and when we were walking brutally cold and when we were walking brutally cold and when we were walking out there like people were like looking out there like people were like looking out there like people were like looking at us like these guys are nuts what are at us like these guys are nuts what are at us like these guys are nuts what are they doing and I love it man it's doing they doing and I love it man it's doing they doing and I love it man it's doing it every day this week like you don't it every day this week like you don't it every day this week like you don't understand how much impact it has on understand how much impact it has on understand how much impact it has on your mental health your ability to to your mental health your ability to to your mental health your ability to to deal with stress like things that would deal with stress like things that would deal with stress like things that would really stress me out didn't stress me really stress me out didn't stress me really stress me out didn't stress me out as much as they should have and out as much as they should have and out as much as they should have and um yeah I was just um yeah I was just um yeah I was just getting back into the cold and getting back into the cold and getting back into the cold and preparation for for this discussion preparation for for this discussion preparation for for this discussion today was was awesome and and reminded today was was awesome and and reminded today was was awesome and and reminded me why I love the cold and why I was so me why I love the cold and why I was so me why I love the cold and why I was so excited for for talking to you today excited for for talking to you today excited for for talking to you today yeah that's awesome uh I don't know how yeah that's awesome uh I don't know how yeah that's awesome uh I don't know how much longer the much longer the much longer the the cold snaps supposed to last but uh I
03:00the cold snaps supposed to last but uh I the cold snaps supposed to last but uh I think I think the East is feeling it think I think the East is feeling it think I think the East is feeling it pretty hard right now but pretty hard right now but pretty hard right now but um um um yeah it's a it's a good opportunity if yeah it's a it's a good opportunity if yeah it's a it's a good opportunity if you don't have that at your disposal you you don't have that at your disposal you you don't have that at your disposal you know absolutely man know absolutely man know absolutely man so I've been super excited about this so I've been super excited about this so I've been super excited about this conversation especially because of the conversation especially because of the conversation especially because of the similarities between being vulnerable similarities between being vulnerable similarities between being vulnerable and doing cold exposure man I'm before and doing cold exposure man I'm before and doing cold exposure man I'm before we kind of get into your background and we kind of get into your background and we kind of get into your background and your story I'm curious what does your story I'm curious what does your story I'm curious what does vulnerability mean to you um yeah vulnerability I mean from a very um yeah vulnerability I mean from a very young age I think was just a part of who young age I think was just a part of who young age I think was just a part of who I was I I was always a very I was I I was always a very I was I I was always a very um um a very literal person I I I said how I a very literal person I I I said how I a very literal person I I I said how I felt and and when I tried to felt and and when I tried to felt and and when I tried to understand what people were saying understand what people were saying understand what people were saying a lot like a lot of times it was kind of a lot like a lot of times it was kind of a lot like a lot of times it was kind of hard for me to interpret like social hard for me to interpret like social hard for me to interpret like social cues right because I I just I I took cues right because I I just I I took cues right because I I just I I took what I heard and then I I said what I what I heard and then I I said what I what I heard and then I I said what I felt um and from a young age I had to
04:00felt um and from a young age I had to felt um and from a young age I had to learn to be vulnerable learn to be vulnerable learn to be vulnerable um when I was diagnosed with Tourette's um when I was diagnosed with Tourette's um when I was diagnosed with Tourette's because it was you know I would have because it was you know I would have because it was you know I would have ticks and stuff and ticks and stuff and ticks and stuff and um and I needed to tell people what it um and I needed to tell people what it um and I needed to tell people what it was because if I didn't it just always was because if I didn't it just always was because if I didn't it just always made the situation a lot worse with made the situation a lot worse with made the situation a lot worse with peers right because people didn't know peers right because people didn't know peers right because people didn't know what it was they laughed they made fun what it was they laughed they made fun what it was they laughed they made fun or they would continue to ask right and or they would continue to ask right and or they would continue to ask right and I didn't have a way to communicate it or I didn't have a way to communicate it or I didn't have a way to communicate it or to explain it to people and so so I to explain it to people and so so I to explain it to people and so so I think from Pretty Young on from about think from Pretty Young on from about think from Pretty Young on from about nine ten years old I I needed to nine ten years old I I needed to nine ten years old I I needed to tell people what I was dealing with tell people what I was dealing with tell people what I was dealing with which which was a a form of which which was a a form of which which was a a form of vulnerability vulnerability vulnerability and and and and I think very early on I saw how that and I think very early on I saw how that and I think very early on I saw how that was helpful was helpful was helpful um and how that um and how that um and how that you know made things easier for me and you know made things easier for me and you know made things easier for me and so I think I kind of adopted that mind so I think I kind of adopted that mind so I think I kind of adopted that mind State State State um pretty early on and I and I see um pretty early on and I and I see um pretty early on and I and I see vulnerability as a
05:00vulnerability as a vulnerability as a as a superpower and I see it as a as a as a superpower and I see it as a as a as a superpower and I see it as a as a strength because you're able to really communicate you're able to really communicate and empathize with others and empathize with others and empathize with others um um and say how you feel and I think all too and say how you feel and I think all too and say how you feel and I think all too often we're just silent about it often we're just silent about it often we're just silent about it and it's interpreted as we're okay and it's interpreted as we're okay and it's interpreted as we're okay um um the silence isn't always the silence isn't always the silence isn't always you're okay right hardly ever you're okay right hardly ever you're okay right hardly ever yeah absolutely man and to see your yeah absolutely man and to see your yeah absolutely man and to see your vulnerability on vulnerability on vulnerability on on social media right sharing your story on social media right sharing your story on social media right sharing your story sharing sharing sharing like you said that the fact that you like you said that the fact that you like you said that the fact that you were that you were diagnosed with with were that you were diagnosed with with were that you were diagnosed with with Tourette's and you know other other Tourette's and you know other other Tourette's and you know other other things growing up and just sharing how things growing up and just sharing how things growing up and just sharing how how the cold and how opening up about how the cold and how opening up about how the cold and how opening up about you know your emotions your experiences you know your emotions your experiences you know your emotions your experiences I'm sure I've helped so many people what I'm sure I've helped so many people what I'm sure I've helped so many people what has that been like kind of being has that been like kind of being has that been like kind of being vulnerable on a on a public platform and
06:00vulnerable on a on a public platform and vulnerable on a on a public platform and have there been particular stories where have there been particular stories where have there been particular stories where people have reached out saying that your people have reached out saying that your people have reached out saying that your vulnerability has helped them yeah um I think probably the most yeah um I think probably the most um the most meaningful to me um the most meaningful to me um the most meaningful to me has been has been has been there there have been there there have been there there have been a lot of parents who have reached out a lot of parents who have reached out a lot of parents who have reached out and and said hey my you know my son or and and said hey my you know my son or and and said hey my you know my son or my daughter was just diagnosed within my daughter was just diagnosed within my daughter was just diagnosed within the last year we're struggling to the last year we're struggling to the last year we're struggling to understand how to understand how to understand how to how to cope how to how to cope how to how to cope how to how to teach them to how to teach them to how to teach them to um to go on like like day to day and and um to go on like like day to day and and um to go on like like day to day and and how to how to deal with their disorder how to how to deal with their disorder how to how to deal with their disorder with their Tourette's and we just we with their Tourette's and we just we with their Tourette's and we just we love what you're doing and we want to love what you're doing and we want to love what you're doing and we want to ask you some questions and ask you some questions and ask you some questions and and that has been of of all the things and that has been of of all the things and that has been of of all the things that I've seen from you know the six that I've seen from you know the six that I've seen from you know the six seven months that I've that I've had the seven months that I've that I've had the seven months that I've that I've had the the Instagram page the Instagram page the Instagram page that's been the most powerful and I that's been the most powerful and I that's been the most powerful and I think the most meaningful to me is the
07:00think the most meaningful to me is the think the most meaningful to me is the fact that I I I get to share fact that I I I get to share fact that I I I get to share my experience with Tourette's and what's my experience with Tourette's and what's my experience with Tourette's and what's helped me helped me helped me when I was a kid and the things that my when I was a kid and the things that my when I was a kid and the things that my mom instilled in me and and taught me mom instilled in me and and taught me mom instilled in me and and taught me and then be able to kind of help other and then be able to kind of help other and then be able to kind of help other parents to think about parents to think about parents to think about implementing some of those things as implementing some of those things as implementing some of those things as well and so that that's just been you well and so that that's just been you well and so that that's just been you know that's been the most meaningful to know that's been the most meaningful to know that's been the most meaningful to me I mean if if at the end of the day me I mean if if at the end of the day me I mean if if at the end of the day right I I didn't want to do this anymore right I I didn't want to do this anymore right I I didn't want to do this anymore and I wanted to just close the account and I wanted to just close the account and I wanted to just close the account and and um and never do it again that um and never do it again that um and never do it again that that that's that's success to me you that that's that's success to me you that that's that's success to me you know know know definitely man so what are some things definitely man so what are some things definitely man so what are some things that you tell those parents that that that you tell those parents that that that you tell those parents that that helped you as a kid kind of dealing with helped you as a kid kind of dealing with helped you as a kid kind of dealing with not only Tourette's but you were not only Tourette's but you were not only Tourette's but you were diagnosed with OCD and anxiety as well diagnosed with OCD and anxiety as well diagnosed with OCD and anxiety as well right right right yeah so anxiety yeah so anxiety yeah so anxiety um so I think if the neurologist it was um so I think if the neurologist it was um so I think if the neurologist it was generalizing anxiety disorder and then generalizing anxiety disorder and then generalizing anxiety disorder and then um OCD and Tourette Syndrome at at nine um OCD and Tourette Syndrome at at nine um OCD and Tourette Syndrome at at nine years old
08:00years old years old um and so so pretty early on I had a um and so so pretty early on I had a um and so so pretty early on I had a neurologist and and you know met with neurologist and and you know met with neurologist and and you know met with them regularly but the things that I them regularly but the things that I them regularly but the things that I would share would share would share with you know with some of the parents with you know with some of the parents with you know with some of the parents and some of the people that would reach and some of the people that would reach and some of the people that would reach out like if they were struggling out like if they were struggling out like if they were struggling um um specifically with Tourette's specifically with Tourette's specifically with Tourette's there's and and this this doesn't this there's and and this this doesn't this there's and and this this doesn't this applies to Beyond just people with applies to Beyond just people with applies to Beyond just people with Tourette's Tourette's Tourette's there are there are there are there are things that you do day to day there are things that you do day to day there are things that you do day to day or experience day to day that affect or experience day to day that affect or experience day to day that affect your ticks and the severity of your text your ticks and the severity of your text your ticks and the severity of your text and how and how and how um um how how much they bother you or how how how much they bother you or how how how much they bother you or how frequent they are and some of those frequent they are and some of those frequent they are and some of those things are things are things are for me at least and what they were and for me at least and what they were and for me at least and what they were and still are still are still are um caffeine um caffeine um caffeine caffeine and not the caffeine's bad but caffeine and not the caffeine's bad but caffeine and not the caffeine's bad but too much caffeine for instance too much caffeine for instance too much caffeine for instance um not getting enough sleep um not getting enough sleep um not getting enough sleep playing too many video games
09:00playing too many video games playing too many video games um being um being um being out of my normal routine such as out of my normal routine such as out of my normal routine such as traveling traveling traveling you know not sleeping in my bed those you know not sleeping in my bed those you know not sleeping in my bed those types of things holidays uh family types of things holidays uh family types of things holidays uh family gatherings all sorts of things that gatherings all sorts of things that gatherings all sorts of things that everyone experiences or or has had some everyone experiences or or has had some everyone experiences or or has had some type of experience with right type of experience with right type of experience with right um and so I would say hey pay attention um and so I would say hey pay attention um and so I would say hey pay attention to this kind of list of things and see to this kind of list of things and see to this kind of list of things and see how their ticks how their ticks how their ticks uh change when when they when you pay uh change when when they when you pay uh change when when they when you pay attention to those or when you when you attention to those or when you when you attention to those or when you when you take one of those things out or or take one of those things out or or take one of those things out or or Implement one of those things right and Implement one of those things right and Implement one of those things right and the reason I say this isn't just for the reason I say this isn't just for the reason I say this isn't just for people with Tourette's is because people with Tourette's is because people with Tourette's is because we we do this we do this on a daily we we do this we do this on a daily we we do this we do this on a daily basis we go hey I shouldn't have done basis we go hey I shouldn't have done basis we go hey I shouldn't have done this yesterday right this yesterday right this yesterday right um it affected me in this way um it affected me in this way um it affected me in this way or hey I need to start trying to or hey I need to start trying to or hey I need to start trying to implement this a little bit more because implement this a little bit more because implement this a little bit more because it improves my life this much and so it improves my life this much and so it improves my life this much and so having that self-awareness and that having that self-awareness and that having that self-awareness and that recognition I think early on
10:00recognition I think early on recognition I think early on um um I mean especially as a kid I mean especially as a kid I mean especially as a kid starting to develop that early on is so starting to develop that early on is so starting to develop that early on is so powerful right because you start to powerful right because you start to powerful right because you start to you start to understand what works what you start to understand what works what you start to understand what works what doesn't and then you get to try and help doesn't and then you get to try and help doesn't and then you get to try and help other people with it hopefully other people with it hopefully other people with it hopefully yeah and all the things you just yeah and all the things you just yeah and all the things you just mentioned too much caffeine not enough mentioned too much caffeine not enough mentioned too much caffeine not enough sleep sleep sleep holidays travel all that stuff it do you holidays travel all that stuff it do you holidays travel all that stuff it do you think that there's an association think that there's an association think that there's an association between ticks and anxiety because I feel between ticks and anxiety because I feel between ticks and anxiety because I feel like in my own life all those things like in my own life all those things like in my own life all those things just create a lot more anxiety for me just create a lot more anxiety for me just create a lot more anxiety for me which doesn't necessarily come out in which doesn't necessarily come out in which doesn't necessarily come out in ticks but definitely comes out in other ticks but definitely comes out in other ticks but definitely comes out in other ways in my life ways in my life ways in my life 100 and and that's how mine always was 100 and and that's how mine always was 100 and and that's how mine always was was the the anxiety was tied to the was the the anxiety was tied to the was the the anxiety was tied to the Tourette's and if I could figure out Tourette's and if I could figure out Tourette's and if I could figure out what what what what helped my anxiety or what made it what helped my anxiety or what made it what helped my anxiety or what made it worse than I knew how my tics were going worse than I knew how my tics were going worse than I knew how my tics were going to respond to right so very very to respond to right so very very to respond to right so very very correlated at least for me correlated at least for me correlated at least for me um I think there are there are cases um I think there are there are cases um I think there are there are cases people with Tourette's right where it's people with Tourette's right where it's people with Tourette's right where it's just
11:00just just maybe it's just not related whatsoever maybe it's just not related whatsoever maybe it's just not related whatsoever but but for me yeah it was so much uh but but for me yeah it was so much uh but but for me yeah it was so much uh had to do with the the anxiety and how I had to do with the the anxiety and how I had to do with the the anxiety and how I how I tried to treat that how I tried to treat that how I tried to treat that um um would my tics would then follow right or would my tics would then follow right or would my tics would then follow right or or they or they wouldn't or they or they wouldn't or they or they wouldn't so so so um yeah exactly um yeah exactly um yeah exactly so dealing with you know these these so dealing with you know these these so dealing with you know these these different mental health challenges is different mental health challenges is different mental health challenges is that what got you into cold therapy or that what got you into cold therapy or that what got you into cold therapy or kind of walk me through how you got into kind of walk me through how you got into kind of walk me through how you got into cold exposure and how that all started cold exposure and how that all started cold exposure and how that all started yeah a little bit of a different yeah a little bit of a different yeah a little bit of a different um um a little bit of a different journey I a little bit of a different journey I a little bit of a different journey I think so I think so I think so I I I ended up I I ended up I I ended up moving up to Boise Idaho moving up to Boise Idaho moving up to Boise Idaho um right in the middle of the pandemic um right in the middle of the pandemic um right in the middle of the pandemic so may 2020 so may 2020 so may 2020 um I'd finished grad school I I got a um I'd finished grad school I I got a um I'd finished grad school I I got a great job up here and at that time great job up here and at that time great job up here and at that time anybody getting a job was just you know
12:00anybody getting a job was just you know anybody getting a job was just you know it was difficult because everyone froze it was difficult because everyone froze it was difficult because everyone froze everything hiring was frozen austerity everything hiring was frozen austerity everything hiring was frozen austerity measures put in place like nobody was measures put in place like nobody was measures put in place like nobody was doing anything and so the fact that I doing anything and so the fact that I doing anything and so the fact that I was able to move up here and get that was able to move up here and get that was able to move up here and get that was was was um was huge but I you know I moved up um was huge but I you know I moved up um was huge but I you know I moved up here and I felt like all the things that here and I felt like all the things that here and I felt like all the things that I had accomplished or wanted to I had accomplished or wanted to I had accomplished or wanted to accomplish it was all of a sudden like accomplish it was all of a sudden like accomplish it was all of a sudden like boom you did it right here you are boom you did it right here you are boom you did it right here you are finished grad school you got this job finished grad school you got this job finished grad school you got this job you moved up here you moved up here you moved up here um but I got to the end of that road um but I got to the end of that road um but I got to the end of that road I was away from family I was away from family I was away from family um they lived in different states um they lived in different states um they lived in different states and and I just got hit with depression and and I just got hit with depression and and I just got hit with depression just blindsided me and I'd never dealt just blindsided me and I'd never dealt just blindsided me and I'd never dealt with with with depression in the past depression in the past depression in the past um and I didn't really know that that's um and I didn't really know that that's um and I didn't really know that that's what it was at first what it was at first what it was at first and and so I started going to therapy so I started going to therapy so I started going to therapy um um in 2020 in 2020 in 2020 and to try and treat and try and and to try and treat and try and and to try and treat and try and understand what was going on at the same understand what was going on at the same understand what was going on at the same time go ahead I'm not yeah just because
13:00time go ahead I'm not yeah just because time go ahead I'm not yeah just because I think so many of us deal with I think so many of us deal with I think so many of us deal with depression how did that depression how did that depression how did that what did it look like in the beginning what did it look like in the beginning what did it look like in the beginning and like and like and like I guess just how did it manifest in your I guess just how did it manifest in your I guess just how did it manifest in your life and that to the point where you're life and that to the point where you're life and that to the point where you're like like is this depression because he like like is this depression because he like like is this depression because he said at first you didn't necessarily said at first you didn't necessarily said at first you didn't necessarily know that that's what it was know that that's what it was know that that's what it was yeah because as a it's a good point as yeah because as a it's a good point as yeah because as a it's a good point as an outsider looking and like somebody an outsider looking and like somebody an outsider looking and like somebody when I say Outsider somebody who may when I say Outsider somebody who may when I say Outsider somebody who may have not experienced depression before have not experienced depression before have not experienced depression before from the outside I I saw it as something from the outside I I saw it as something from the outside I I saw it as something different than when I actually ended up different than when I actually ended up different than when I actually ended up feeling it feeling it feeling it and so that's why I didn't immediately and so that's why I didn't immediately and so that's why I didn't immediately say oh this is depression right because say oh this is depression right because say oh this is depression right because what you see is depression or what you what you see is depression or what you what you see is depression or what you hear is depression is is very different hear is depression is is very different hear is depression is is very different or can be very different to what you or can be very different to what you or can be very different to what you personally end up experiencing as personally end up experiencing as personally end up experiencing as depression depression depression um and I think that's why there's um and I think that's why there's um and I think that's why there's there's been us you know a stigma or at there's been us you know a stigma or at there's been us you know a stigma or at least a misunderstanding of what it least a misunderstanding of what it least a misunderstanding of what it really is and when I experienced it
14:00really is and when I experienced it really is and when I experienced it um um for me it manifested as for me it manifested as for me it manifested as physically as like just a paralysis physically as like just a paralysis physically as like just a paralysis where I didn't want to do anything I I where I didn't want to do anything I I where I didn't want to do anything I I didn't have the energy didn't have the energy didn't have the energy it wasn't it wasn't clear in my head it wasn't it wasn't clear in my head it wasn't it wasn't clear in my head what I should be doing um there didn't seem there didn't feel um there didn't seem there didn't feel like or seemed to be a purpose in doing like or seemed to be a purpose in doing like or seemed to be a purpose in doing it it it the purpose just wasn't there the purpose just wasn't there the purpose just wasn't there um I I started getting very I I started getting very um um what's the word what's the word what's the word existential I started getting very you existential I started getting very you existential I started getting very you know know um um like what are we doing like what are we doing like what are we doing right just a high level what are what right just a high level what are what right just a high level what are what are we what are we doing what is what is are we what are we doing what is what is are we what are we doing what is what is what is this place what is this place what is this place um where are we
15:00we're like we're like what's the point you know and I started what's the point you know and I started what's the point you know and I started kind of having these thoughts that would kind of having these thoughts that would kind of having these thoughts that would just just um um that would happen all the time like that that would happen all the time like that that would happen all the time like that just constantly and so just constantly and so just constantly and so that's how that's how I think it that's how that's how I think it that's how that's how I think it manifest manifested for me was just a manifest manifested for me was just a manifest manifested for me was just a lot of just felt heavy right it's just heavy just felt heavy right it's just heavy um no no motivation or kind of no clarity no no motivation or kind of no clarity as to as to as to what I should do or or even why and just feeling like there must be and just feeling like there must be something better somewhere else something better somewhere else something better somewhere else right yeah man I right yeah man I right yeah man I and that's I and that's I and that's I don't love asking that question but I don't love asking that question but I don't love asking that question but I think it's super helpful because I think think it's super helpful because I think think it's super helpful because I think depression can look like paralysis right
16:00depression can look like paralysis right depression can look like paralysis right everything looks so big everything looks everything looks so big everything looks everything looks so big everything looks so hard it could be anything from like you know it could be anything from like you know when I experience it it's like any any when I experience it it's like any any when I experience it it's like any any decision that I have from like going to decision that I have from like going to decision that I have from like going to the laundry it's like I'm overthinking the laundry it's like I'm overthinking the laundry it's like I'm overthinking it right it's like it right it's like it right it's like like you said like what's the purpose like you said like what's the purpose like you said like what's the purpose what's the point how do I go about doing what's the point how do I go about doing what's the point how do I go about doing this like just like simple things like this like just like simple things like this like just like simple things like that so I think for people to understand that so I think for people to understand that so I think for people to understand that that that if this is a feeling that they're if this is a feeling that they're if this is a feeling that they're dealing with right now it's dealing with right now it's dealing with right now it's one it's normal because everyone will one it's normal because everyone will one it's normal because everyone will deal with depression until you need to deal with depression until you need to deal with depression until you need to understand it so that you can understand it so that you can understand it so that you can start to combat it was there was there like a was there like a a rock bottom for you like is there a a rock bottom for you like is there a a rock bottom for you like is there a particular moment where you remember particular moment where you remember particular moment where you remember thinking like thinking like thinking like man I I need to get help um it's a good question I'm trying to um it's a good question I'm trying to I'm trying to think about it I
17:00I think the rock bottom I think the rock bottom for me is it's also kind of it's related for me is it's also kind of it's related for me is it's also kind of it's related to the cold stuff and I think that's why to the cold stuff and I think that's why to the cold stuff and I think that's why this all meant so much to me this all meant so much to me this all meant so much to me um and why I started the page was um and why I started the page was um and why I started the page was because because because you know I started going to therapy just you know I started going to therapy just you know I started going to therapy just more traditional therapy more traditional therapy more traditional therapy um did some EMDR type stuff too which is um did some EMDR type stuff too which is um did some EMDR type stuff too which is um you know a type of um you know a type of um you know a type of hypotherapy basically and hypotherapy basically and hypotherapy basically and I my rock bottom I think was you know I I my rock bottom I think was you know I I my rock bottom I think was you know I I'd been doing this I've been doing that I'd been doing this I've been doing that I'd been doing this I've been doing that for a few months and I started going for a few months and I started going for a few months and I started going into the river too because I live I live into the river too because I live I live into the river too because I live I live very close to the Boise River very close to the Boise River very close to the Boise River and you know it's it's a winter time and and you know it's it's a winter time and and you know it's it's a winter time and um Boise is not pretty in the winter um Boise is not pretty in the winter um Boise is not pretty in the winter like you don't you don't get a lot of like you don't you don't get a lot of like you don't you don't get a lot of snow snow snow um and you don't get a lot of sun either um and you don't get a lot of sun either um and you don't get a lot of sun either and it's just not a pretty place and it's just not a pretty place and it's just not a pretty place um most of the winter
18:00um most of the winter um most of the winter and and I I remember I I remember I I remember just being in the water and to me on the outside everything that I deal with day-to-day everything that I deal with day-to-day everything that I deal with day-to-day um all of my all of my personal struggles I can't think of any of that when I'm in I can't think of any of that when I'm in I can't think of any of that when I'm in the water the water the water because the water is 36 degrees my because the water is 36 degrees my because the water is 36 degrees my brain's just trying to survive I'm just brain's just trying to survive I'm just brain's just trying to survive I'm just trying to breathe trying to breathe trying to breathe um and there's no place um and there's no place um and there's no place for for for for that part of your brain or that that for that part of your brain or that that for that part of your brain or that that part of your mind to to think or to try
19:00part of your mind to to think or to try part of your mind to to think or to try and calculate stuff it you can't because and calculate stuff it you can't because and calculate stuff it you can't because you know I don't want to get too much you know I don't want to get too much you know I don't want to get too much into the science behind it but like you into the science behind it but like you into the science behind it but like you you lose between like 30 and 80 percent you lose between like 30 and 80 percent you lose between like 30 and 80 percent of just cognitive function and ability of just cognitive function and ability of just cognitive function and ability when when you hit that water if the when when you hit that water if the when when you hit that water if the water is you know that cold because your water is you know that cold because your water is you know that cold because your brain just goes it's fight or flight brain just goes it's fight or flight brain just goes it's fight or flight time I just need to survive time I just need to survive time I just need to survive and so and so and so some days in there I I was you know some days in there I I was you know some days in there I I was you know there was nothing for me to look forward there was nothing for me to look forward there was nothing for me to look forward to there was nothing I was to there was nothing I was to there was nothing I was um um I was excited about I couldn't feel any I was excited about I couldn't feel any I was excited about I couldn't feel any emotions emotions emotions and but when I was in the water and but when I was in the water and but when I was in the water it you know it you know it you know it was okay not to feel anything right it was okay not to feel anything right it was okay not to feel anything right that's that's just it was this escape that's that's just it was this escape that's that's just it was this escape and it was like I'm just gonna stay in and it was like I'm just gonna stay in and it was like I'm just gonna stay in here as long as I can and so I mean some here as long as I can and so I mean some here as long as I can and so I mean some and I don't recommend doing this because and I don't recommend doing this because and I don't recommend doing this because obviously there is a safety hazard obviously there is a safety hazard obviously there is a safety hazard behind that and and I and I want people behind that and and I and I want people behind that and and I and I want people to be safe to be safe to be safe um um but there were days where you know it
20:00but there were days where you know it but there were days where you know it was the water is 36 37 38 degrees was the water is 36 37 38 degrees was the water is 36 37 38 degrees Fahrenheit and and I'd I'd stay in there Fahrenheit and and I'd I'd stay in there Fahrenheit and and I'd I'd stay in there 14 15 16 17 minutes wow um until my 14 15 16 17 minutes wow um until my 14 15 16 17 minutes wow um until my vision would would kind of start to vision would would kind of start to vision would would kind of start to close in right and and it would be hard close in right and and it would be hard close in right and and it would be hard for me to control my eyes and I'd get for me to control my eyes and I'd get for me to control my eyes and I'd get tired tired tired um and which are all classic signs of um and which are all classic signs of um and which are all classic signs of hypothermia right but I would fight off hypothermia right but I would fight off hypothermia right but I would fight off the Shivering for so long because I the Shivering for so long because I the Shivering for so long because I would I would I would try and would I would I would try and would I would I would try and incorporate incorporate incorporate um some breath work or like some um some breath work or like some um some breath work or like some you know just some breathing strategies you know just some breathing strategies you know just some breathing strategies and and stuff like that but um I would and and stuff like that but um I would and and stuff like that but um I would just push you know because it was like just push you know because it was like just push you know because it was like when I'm in here when I'm in here when I'm in here this is it and and and I don't have to this is it and and and I don't have to this is it and and and I don't have to think about any of the any of the stuff think about any of the any of the stuff think about any of the any of the stuff going on at the outside uh in on the going on at the outside uh in on the going on at the outside uh in on the outside and I outside and I outside and I um I can just be here and um I can just be here and um I can just be here and you know those were moments that were you know those were moments that were you know those were moments that were that were scary and and looking back I that were scary and and looking back I that were scary and and looking back I think think think um
21:00um you know I'd want to be more careful and you know I'd want to be more careful and you know I'd want to be more careful and I I shouldn't have done some of that I I shouldn't have done some of that I I shouldn't have done some of that right right um um but yeah I I don't know how else to yeah I I don't know how else to describe it besides it was like you know describe it besides it was like you know describe it besides it was like you know what if I go out this way it's what if I go out this way it's what if I go out this way it's you know at least it's you know it's it's in a nice it's in a nice spot it's it's in a nice it's in a nice spot and it's cold and it's and it's cold and it's and it's cold and it's and and I'm not and and I'm not and and I'm not I'm not overwhelmed I'm just I'm not overwhelmed I'm just I'm not overwhelmed I'm just I'm just I'm just here I'm just I'm just here I'm just I'm just here yeah man you know it sounds like it sounds like the cold was a way to the cold was a way to the cold was a way to obviously it's a very healthy way to obviously it's a very healthy way to obviously it's a very healthy way to to cope and to to cope and to to cope and to deal with the stresses and the anxieties deal with the stresses and the anxieties deal with the stresses and the anxieties and and depression but I mean do you
22:00and and depression but I mean do you and and depression but I mean do you feel like pushing it to 15 16 minutes feel like pushing it to 15 16 minutes feel like pushing it to 15 16 minutes was was kind of like uh do you think that wasn't like do you think that wasn't like intentionally putting yourself in like a intentionally putting yourself in like a intentionally putting yourself in like a dangerous situation or was that like was dangerous situation or was that like was dangerous situation or was that like was that the purpose or was it just like that the purpose or was it just like that the purpose or was it just like I'm gonna see how long I can push it I'm gonna see how long I can push it I'm gonna see how long I can push it because nothing else matters while I'm because nothing else matters while I'm because nothing else matters while I'm while I'm in this water like do you while I'm in this water like do you while I'm in this water like do you think there's some intentionality think there's some intentionality think there's some intentionality between between between because that's a dangerous that's a because that's a dangerous that's a because that's a dangerous that's a dangerous amount of time in that in that dangerous amount of time in that in that dangerous amount of time in that in that cold of water cold of water cold of water yeah and yeah and yeah and um yeah man sorry I'm emotional because yeah man sorry I'm emotional because it's you know I haven't it's you know I haven't it's you know I haven't um um you know I haven't haven't shared that you know I haven't haven't shared that you know I haven't haven't shared that super in depth I mean I've you know I'm super in depth I mean I've you know I'm super in depth I mean I've you know I'm sure that I've pushed but I you know the the the goal behind it was yeah it was just to see is how far I
23:00was yeah it was just to see is how far I could go right it and that shouldn't be could go right it and that shouldn't be could go right it and that shouldn't be the goal the goal the goal um for people who are wanting to get um for people who are wanting to get um for people who are wanting to get into cold exposure that that shouldn't into cold exposure that that shouldn't into cold exposure that that shouldn't be the goal at all and and when people be the goal at all and and when people be the goal at all and and when people want to compete and stuff like that a want to compete and stuff like that a want to compete and stuff like that a lot of times I'm like hey I you know lot of times I'm like hey I you know lot of times I'm like hey I you know that's not the point but at that moment that's not the point but at that moment that's not the point but at that moment where I was uh last year where I was uh last year where I was uh last year for me that was the goal was just I'm for me that was the goal was just I'm for me that was the goal was just I'm gonna push and I'm gonna see how long I gonna push and I'm gonna see how long I gonna push and I'm gonna see how long I can go can go can go um um but what I didn't realize was at the but what I didn't realize was at the but what I didn't realize was at the same time and looking at some of the same time and looking at some of the same time and looking at some of the studies you know that um studies you know that um studies you know that um that have been done on on different that have been done on on different that have been done on on different groups of individuals who who have been groups of individuals who who have been groups of individuals who who have been put in cold water the the the dopamine increases it you know just the dopamine increases it you know just the dopamine increases it you know just the feel-good endorphins those increases the feel-good endorphins those increases the feel-good endorphins those increases that they would feel a lot of times were that they would feel a lot of times were that they would feel a lot of times were correlated with like correlated with like correlated with like how long they were in the water
24:00how long they were in the water how long they were in the water um to a certain extent right so so some um to a certain extent right so so some um to a certain extent right so so some groups of people that groups of people that groups of people that were in the were in cold water for were in the were in cold water for were in the were in cold water for just a few minutes would have just a few minutes would have just a few minutes would have x amount of x amount of x amount of of of endorphin level increase of of endorphin level increase of of endorphin level increase and then they would find that another and then they would find that another and then they would find that another group that they put in Frida longer group that they put in Frida longer group that they put in Frida longer would have 2X or another group that they would have 2X or another group that they would have 2X or another group that they put in even longer it was like they put in even longer it was like they put in even longer it was like they would experience even even more of these would experience even even more of these would experience even even more of these feelings and so I didn't I didn't feelings and so I didn't I didn't feelings and so I didn't I didn't realize at the time but like by me realize at the time but like by me realize at the time but like by me pushing myself right like really far pushing myself right like really far pushing myself right like really far um I would get out of the water and and um I would get out of the water and and um I would get out of the water and and for like the next two three hours for like the next two three hours for like the next two three hours um I felt incredible because it was like um I felt incredible because it was like um I felt incredible because it was like I I was accomplished I felt I felt like I I was accomplished I felt I felt like I I was accomplished I felt I felt like I I completed I tackled something that I I completed I tackled something that I I completed I tackled something that was you know near impossible was you know near impossible was you know near impossible um I proved something to myself I had um I proved something to myself I had um I proved something to myself I had done something productive just all these done something productive just all these done something productive just all these feelings that you know made my brain feelings that you know made my brain feelings that you know made my brain feel good and my body feel good feel good and my body feel good feel good and my body feel good um so the same time of me just wanting
25:00um so the same time of me just wanting um so the same time of me just wanting to to to do it just to escape the world and and do it just to escape the world and and do it just to escape the world and and just be there for as long as I could just be there for as long as I could just be there for as long as I could it had this other effect later in the it had this other effect later in the it had this other effect later in the hours afterwards where hours afterwards where hours afterwards where I just felt incredible and there was I just felt incredible and there was I just felt incredible and there was there was some science or some you know there was some science or some you know there was some science or some you know biology behind that right that I didn't biology behind that right that I didn't biology behind that right that I didn't really realize at the time but yeah so I don't know if that kind of yeah so I don't know if that kind of answers no it does it well first off answers no it does it well first off answers no it does it well first off no need to apologize for getting no need to apologize for getting no need to apologize for getting emotional I think emotional I think emotional I think I'm sure it's not easier for you to go I'm sure it's not easier for you to go I'm sure it's not easier for you to go back to that to that time and I thank back to that to that time and I thank back to that to that time and I thank you for doing that because someone you for doing that because someone you for doing that because someone listening listening listening is in that spot right now is in that spot right now is in that spot right now but I think we can both agree that for but I think we can both agree that for but I think we can both agree that for anyone listening that anyone listening that anyone listening that wants to take steps for their mental wants to take steps for their mental wants to take steps for their mental health wants to do things to health wants to do things to health wants to do things to to address the feelings that that you're
26:00to address the feelings that that you're to address the feelings that that you're experiencing experiencing experiencing I would not recommend staying in the I would not recommend staying in the I would not recommend staying in the water for 15 minutes because it is water for 15 minutes because it is water for 15 minutes because it is dangerous I'm sure you like you said you dangerous I'm sure you like you said you dangerous I'm sure you like you said you would you would say the same thing would you would say the same thing would you would say the same thing with that being said with that being said with that being said it helps you and pushing your boundaries it helps you and pushing your boundaries it helps you and pushing your boundaries helped you particularly how long before helped you particularly how long before helped you particularly how long before you started to see yourself get out of you started to see yourself get out of you started to see yourself get out of this depression and was it because this depression and was it because this depression and was it because because you said you were in therapy as because you said you were in therapy as because you said you were in therapy as well right so is it do you think the well right so is it do you think the well right so is it do you think the mixture of the two or I guess question mixture of the two or I guess question mixture of the two or I guess question is how long for you to start seeing is how long for you to start seeing is how long for you to start seeing yourself come out of that darkness and yourself come out of that darkness and yourself come out of that darkness and what did that process look like what did that process look like what did that process look like yeah um yeah um yeah um to answer to answer that to answer to answer that to answer to answer that um um honestly it's still there are there are honestly it's still there are there are honestly it's still there are there are still ups and downs right and and I still ups and downs right and and I still ups and downs right and and I still struggle with it not to the extent still struggle with it not to the extent still struggle with it not to the extent that I did last year the that I did last year the
27:00that I did last year the but mostly because I'm now incorporating but mostly because I'm now incorporating but mostly because I'm now incorporating a lot of these things that help right a lot of these things that help right a lot of these things that help right that I wasn't incorporating last year so that I wasn't incorporating last year so that I wasn't incorporating last year so I you know I want to preface it by I you know I want to preface it by I you know I want to preface it by saying I am you know by no means cured saying I am you know by no means cured saying I am you know by no means cured of of what I was struggling with and I of of what I was struggling with and I of of what I was struggling with and I don't I don't see the cold as a cure don't I don't see the cold as a cure don't I don't see the cold as a cure right I see it as a as a useful tool right I see it as a as a useful tool right I see it as a as a useful tool for people to incorporate to start to for people to incorporate to start to for people to incorporate to start to help them understand their bodies help them understand their bodies help them understand their bodies um their capability and and um their capability and and um their capability and and you know and then to experience that and you know and then to experience that and you know and then to experience that and and the benefits behind it and the benefits behind it and the benefits behind it um um so pretty quickly to answer your question pretty quickly to answer your question like how you know how quickly or how like how you know how quickly or how like how you know how quickly or how soon did I start to see soon did I start to see soon did I start to see benefits benefits benefits um or Improvement um or Improvement um or Improvement pretty quickly right because because pretty quickly right because because pretty quickly right because because with the cold it's it's it's a with the cold it's it's it's a with the cold it's it's it's a it's a very it's a very it's a very very quick return and I almost want to
28:00very quick return and I almost want to very quick return and I almost want to say return on investment but this is my say return on investment but this is my say return on investment but this is my finance you know brain speaking but a finance you know brain speaking but a finance you know brain speaking but a very quick return for what you did or very quick return for what you did or very quick return for what you did or for what you accomplished for what you accomplished for what you accomplished um it's right when you get out of the um it's right when you get out of the um it's right when you get out of the water water and and but learning to incorporate that habit but learning to incorporate that habit but learning to incorporate that habit that takes time right and so if you can that takes time right and so if you can that takes time right and so if you can incorporate it as a as a good habit as incorporate it as a as a good habit as incorporate it as a as a good habit as something you're doing regularly something you're doing regularly something you're doing regularly um I think you can see you know benefits um I think you can see you know benefits um I think you can see you know benefits very quickly and and that's what I was very quickly and and that's what I was very quickly and and that's what I was experiencing experiencing with the therapy to answer your question with the therapy to answer your question with the therapy to answer your question about that part where where I was did I about that part where where I was did I about that part where where I was did I see anything kind of doing both at the see anything kind of doing both at the see anything kind of doing both at the same time a hundred percent same time a hundred percent same time a hundred percent um um and that's what was so cool I think and that's what was so cool I think and that's what was so cool I think about my experience was I was I was about my experience was I was I was about my experience was I was I was going to therapy uh twice a week I was going to therapy uh twice a week I was going to therapy uh twice a week I was seeing two different therapists I threw seeing two different therapists I threw seeing two different therapists I threw so much money at it because I was like so much money at it because I was like so much money at it because I was like you know what I don't even I don't know you know what I don't even I don't know you know what I don't even I don't know what's wrong and I'm just gonna go see what's wrong and I'm just gonna go see what's wrong and I'm just gonna go see people and it I'm gonna figure it out people and it I'm gonna figure it out people and it I'm gonna figure it out right and I was like I don't I don't right and I was like I don't I don't
29:00right and I was like I don't I don't care what it is I'm gonna blow through care what it is I'm gonna blow through care what it is I'm gonna blow through my deductible and and I need to figure my deductible and and I need to figure my deductible and and I need to figure it out it out it out um and um and um and so I was seeing two different therapists so I was seeing two different therapists so I was seeing two different therapists at one point at one point at one point um um and it was like twice a week and uh I and it was like twice a week and uh I and it was like twice a week and uh I would get done with an appointment would get done with an appointment would get done with an appointment and I would come back home and I'd go and I would come back home and I'd go and I would come back home and I'd go get in the water get in the water get in the water and I would do that all the time and and and I would do that all the time and and and I would do that all the time and and what I was learning at therapy what I was learning at therapy what I was learning at therapy was was a lot of the things I was experiencing a lot of the things I was experiencing a lot of the things I was experiencing or the feelings I was having the stress or the feelings I was having the stress or the feelings I was having the stress I had I had I had um I was framing it as a bad thing and I I was framing it as a bad thing and I was angry about it was angry about it was angry about it and and and I kept looking at it in a in a and I kept looking at it in a in a and I kept looking at it in a in a pessimistic light pessimistic light pessimistic light and so every time I tried to talk about and so every time I tried to talk about and so every time I tried to talk about it I was angry or I was mad or I was it I was angry or I was mad or I was it I was angry or I was mad or I was frustrated frustrated frustrated and so and so my therapist said you know every time my therapist said you know every time my therapist said you know every time you're talking about this stuff or even you're talking about this stuff or even you're talking about this stuff or even or even begin to talk about stress or or even begin to talk about stress or or even begin to talk about stress or anxiety or whatever it is you're anxiety or whatever it is you're anxiety or whatever it is you're experiencing you're you're angry you
30:00experiencing you're you're angry you experiencing you're you're angry you know and know and know and you know it's okay to have those you know it's okay to have those you know it's okay to have those feelings it's okay to experience that feelings it's okay to experience that feelings it's okay to experience that you need to experience those things and you need to experience those things and you need to experience those things and and your feelings are valid and so you and your feelings are valid and so you and your feelings are valid and so you know he would tell me that and then I know he would tell me that and then I know he would tell me that and then I would drive back home and I would start would drive back home and I would start would drive back home and I would start to go get into the water to go get into the water to go get into the water and I would go and I would go and I would go this is this is okay cold is okay you're this is this is okay cold is okay you're this is this is okay cold is okay you're gonna be okay gonna be okay gonna be okay um um it's a helpful tool it's a helpful tool it's a helpful tool it's temporary and so then I started it's temporary and so then I started it's temporary and so then I started bridging these two gaps between between bridging these two gaps between between bridging these two gaps between between stress and your anxiety and what you stress and your anxiety and what you stress and your anxiety and what you deal with on a daily basis and then the deal with on a daily basis and then the deal with on a daily basis and then the cold and how it was just cold and how it was just cold and how it was just you know the perfect example of how you you know the perfect example of how you you know the perfect example of how you can take can take can take a difficult situation or a a difficult a difficult situation or a a difficult a difficult situation or a a difficult symptom or whatever you're dealing with symptom or whatever you're dealing with symptom or whatever you're dealing with and start trying to learn how to reframe and start trying to learn how to reframe and start trying to learn how to reframe it as something that is helpful or it as something that is helpful or it as something that is helpful or something that can teach you something something that can teach you something something that can teach you something um and so the cold just became a teacher
31:00um and so the cold just became a teacher um and so the cold just became a teacher to me that to me that to me that um um you know pain or stress or or whatever you know pain or stress or or whatever you know pain or stress or or whatever emotion you're feeling is difficult but emotion you're feeling is difficult but emotion you're feeling is difficult but it's okay to be there and it it's it's okay to be there and it it's it's okay to be there and it it's temporary and it's there to to teach you temporary and it's there to to teach you temporary and it's there to to teach you something and you can work through it something and you can work through it something and you can work through it and so it was like and so it was like and so it was like those two things together right it just those two things together right it just those two things together right it just became this very uh powerful analogy for became this very uh powerful analogy for became this very uh powerful analogy for me me me um you know I ran with it what do you think you just touched on it what do you think you just touched on it but if you were to summarize but if you were to summarize but if you were to summarize the biggest lessons that the cold has the biggest lessons that the cold has the biggest lessons that the cold has taught you taught you taught you what would those lessons be biggest lessons I mean yeah yeah I think too often we
32:00I think too often we I think too often we we frame things as we frame feelings as being we frame feelings as being bad bad bad or evil or evil or evil or unacceptable or unacceptable or unacceptable when anxiety you know anxiety for example anxiety you know anxiety for example um um your body is trying to protect you your body is trying to protect you your body is trying to protect you against something whatever it is against something whatever it is against something whatever it is and and but too quickly we but too quickly we but too quickly we we see it as something that is we see it as something that is we see it as something that is um um that is just it's bad or shouldn't be that is just it's bad or shouldn't be that is just it's bad or shouldn't be there there there and I think that's one of the things and I think that's one of the things and I think that's one of the things that Cole taught me was was if I could that Cole taught me was was if I could that Cole taught me was was if I could walk outside walk outside walk outside and I could just instantly and I could just instantly and I could just instantly and you know how most you know most and you know how most you know most and you know how most you know most people walk outside right if it's a cold people walk outside right if it's a cold people walk outside right if it's a cold really cold morning right you walk really cold morning right you walk really cold morning right you walk outside you forget your jacket and you outside you forget your jacket and you outside you forget your jacket and you just you know just you know just you know your your brain hates you right like your your brain hates you right like your your brain hates you right like there's some something happens where you
33:00there's some something happens where you there's some something happens where you just you feel daggers on your body just you feel daggers on your body just you feel daggers on your body you're like gosh this is you know you're like gosh this is you know you're like gosh this is you know this is cold this is cold this is cold um right um right um right I don't want to you know I don't want to I don't want to you know I don't want to I don't want to you know I don't want to deal with this deal with this deal with this um I I need my coat or this is terrible um I I need my coat or this is terrible um I I need my coat or this is terrible I hate this I hate this I hate this and and so I what I started doing was I just I so I what I started doing was I just I so I what I started doing was I just I wouldn't wear a coat and wouldn't wear a coat and wouldn't wear a coat and on the way to to work or to the gym or on the way to to work or to the gym or on the way to to work or to the gym or to wherever I was going and you know I to wherever I was going and you know I to wherever I was going and you know I still won't wear a coat most days still won't wear a coat most days still won't wear a coat most days I'm I'm breathing as I walk to and from I'm I'm breathing as I walk to and from I'm I'm breathing as I walk to and from and I'm and I'm saying this is okay this and I'm and I'm saying this is okay this and I'm and I'm saying this is okay this is temporary is temporary is temporary this is not a bad thing this is not a bad thing this is not a bad thing um and it's and it's something you can um and it's and it's something you can um and it's and it's something you can deal with it's something you can deal with it's something you can deal with it's something you can overcome and so trying to use the cold overcome and so trying to use the cold overcome and so trying to use the cold as as as you know you know you know as practice as practice as practice for for when you have a very a very difficult when you have a very a very difficult when you have a very a very difficult moment or a trial or a tough experience
34:00moment or a trial or a tough experience moment or a trial or a tough experience you can then Implement that same type of you can then Implement that same type of you can then Implement that same type of breath work or mentality breath work or mentality breath work or mentality into those areas of life right and it's into those areas of life right and it's into those areas of life right and it's and it's not it's not an easy you know and it's not it's not an easy you know and it's not it's not an easy you know it's not an easy thing like I've been it's not an easy thing like I've been it's not an easy thing like I've been doing it for a while and then there were doing it for a while and then there were doing it for a while and then there were situations where something happened that situations where something happened that situations where something happened that really you know really triggered my my really you know really triggered my my really you know really triggered my my anxiety and I and I just lost it right anxiety and I and I just lost it right anxiety and I and I just lost it right and I was like dang I really failed on and I was like dang I really failed on and I was like dang I really failed on that one like I didn't get to you know that one like I didn't get to you know that one like I didn't get to you know incorporate the breath work and incorporate the breath work and incorporate the breath work and um and and you know take a step back and um and and you know take a step back and um and and you know take a step back and stuff but it takes it takes some stuff but it takes it takes some stuff but it takes it takes some practice but I think it's I think it's a practice but I think it's I think it's a practice but I think it's I think it's a really interesting tool really interesting tool really interesting tool to to start reframing how you to to start reframing how you to to start reframing how you how you see your daily stressors how you see your daily stressors how you see your daily stressors whatever they may be whatever they may be whatever they may be 100 man and I think 100 man and I think 100 man and I think anyone who has done cold exposure anyone who has done cold exposure anyone who has done cold exposure especially especially especially for their Mental Health for their Mental Health for their Mental Health because that's I get that thought often because that's I get that thought often because that's I get that thought often it's like you get in it's like what are
35:00it's like you get in it's like what are it's like you get in it's like what are you doing like get out get out and then you doing like get out get out and then you doing like get out get out and then you breathe into it and you sit there you breathe into it and you sit there you breathe into it and you sit there and then and then and then you get calm and it's like this too like you get calm and it's like this too like you get calm and it's like this too like anything else in life shall pass anything else in life shall pass anything else in life shall pass this this this freezing cold freezing cold freezing cold experience that I'm going through right experience that I'm going through right experience that I'm going through right now in just a few minutes is going to be now in just a few minutes is going to be now in just a few minutes is going to be done and I'm going to feel awesome and done and I'm going to feel awesome and done and I'm going to feel awesome and what I love about the cold what I love about the cold what I love about the cold in comparison to in comparison to in comparison to our mission at the 38 challenge is our our mission at the 38 challenge is our our mission at the 38 challenge is our mission is to mission is to mission is to is to challenge a stigma associated with is to challenge a stigma associated with is to challenge a stigma associated with asking for help by doing hard things every time you go into the cold when every time you go into the cold when you're walking out there you feel your you're walking out there you feel your you're walking out there you feel your cortisol rise like you get a pit in your cortisol rise like you get a pit in your cortisol rise like you get a pit in your stomach right and you're like this is stomach right and you're like this is stomach right and you're like this is gonna suck I do not want to do this like gonna suck I do not want to do this like gonna suck I do not want to do this like you might be different because you're you might be different because you're you might be different because you're you're kind of nuts when it comes to you're kind of nuts when it comes to you're kind of nuts when it comes to stuff but stuff but stuff but like I'm never excited for get I'm like
36:00like I'm never excited for get I'm like like I'm never excited for get I'm like man this is gonna suck and it's the same man this is gonna suck and it's the same man this is gonna suck and it's the same exact thing with being vulnerable and exact thing with being vulnerable and exact thing with being vulnerable and asking for help asking for help asking for help the thought of asking for help the the thought of asking for help the the thought of asking for help the thought of being vulnerable the thought thought of being vulnerable the thought thought of being vulnerable the thought of having uncomfortable conversations that part the anxiety leading up to it that part the anxiety leading up to it is way worse than actually doing the is way worse than actually doing the is way worse than actually doing the thing once you get into the water once thing once you get into the water once thing once you get into the water once you start to breathe once you start to you start to breathe once you start to you start to breathe once you start to settle in settle in settle in and you've actually made the decision to and you've actually made the decision to and you've actually made the decision to voluntarily Place yourself in an voluntarily Place yourself in an voluntarily Place yourself in an uncomfortable situation uncomfortable situation uncomfortable situation that's when you start taking steps for that's when you start taking steps for that's when you start taking steps for growth and I just love the comparison growth and I just love the comparison growth and I just love the comparison between between feelings leading up to getting in that feelings leading up to getting in that feelings leading up to getting in that cold body of water and cold body of water and cold body of water and the feelings leading up to the feelings leading up to the feelings leading up to asking for help because depression and anxiety depression and anxiety that sucks that sucks that sucks way worse and is way harder than asking
37:00way worse and is way harder than asking way worse and is way harder than asking for help and staying in that in that for help and staying in that in that for help and staying in that in that cold water as you've so beautifully laid cold water as you've so beautifully laid cold water as you've so beautifully laid out for us so far out for us so far out for us so far yeah and I think yeah and I think yeah and I think [Music] [Music] um um I think a big part of it is the fear of I think a big part of it is the fear of I think a big part of it is the fear of the unknown the unknown the unknown right what is somebody going to think right what is somebody going to think right what is somebody going to think when I tell them I'm struggling with when I tell them I'm struggling with when I tell them I'm struggling with this how are they going to look at me this how are they going to look at me this how are they going to look at me different different different um um how are they going to respond how are they going to respond how are they going to respond and where where is my life or my and where where is my life or my and where where is my life or my relationship with that person gonna go relationship with that person gonna go relationship with that person gonna go in the future right there's there's so in the future right there's there's so in the future right there's there's so many unknowns that come with being many unknowns that come with being many unknowns that come with being vulnerable vulnerable vulnerable that that that's why it's a little bit difficult that's why it's a little bit difficult that's why it's a little bit difficult um but it's but it's a um but it's but it's a um but it's but it's a I'd say it's a skill as well and it's I'd say it's a skill as well and it's I'd say it's a skill as well and it's something you can learn to do something you can learn to do something you can learn to do um um over time and the cold is the same way over time and the cold is the same way over time and the cold is the same way right in terms of of like being right in terms of of like being right in terms of of like being vulnerable You're for me it's you know I vulnerable You're for me it's you know I vulnerable You're for me it's you know I go walk out to the river go walk out to the river go walk out to the river um it's February I um it's February I um it's February I am taking off clothes right I got like
38:00am taking off clothes right I got like am taking off clothes right I got like no clothes on freezing right and and no clothes on freezing right and and no clothes on freezing right and and you're just you're being vulnerable and you're just you're being vulnerable and you're just you're being vulnerable and you're just kind of submitting to you're just kind of submitting to you're just kind of submitting to that difficult experience it's it's this that difficult experience it's it's this that difficult experience it's it's this idea that you are idea that you are idea that you are um um you're you're just you're giving you're you're just you're giving you're you're just you're giving yourself to it yourself to it yourself to it it's it's the same type of thing with it's it's the same type of thing with it's it's the same type of thing with just being vulnerable and asking for just being vulnerable and asking for just being vulnerable and asking for help right is help right is help right is you're you're you're putting your you're you're you're putting your you're you're you're putting your your putting your feelings and kind of your putting your feelings and kind of your putting your feelings and kind of your your heart and your hand and and your your heart and your hand and and your your heart and your hand and and giving it to somebody giving it to somebody giving it to somebody and so that's why it seems scary and so that's why it seems scary and so that's why it seems scary um and it's the same thing with the cold um and it's the same thing with the cold um and it's the same thing with the cold you you you you you you especially if you haven't done it before especially if you haven't done it before especially if you haven't done it before you you don't really know how you're you you don't really know how you're you you don't really know how you're gonna respond gonna respond gonna respond um and you don't you don't see why um and you don't you don't see why um and you don't you don't see why you're doing it it's hard to see why you're doing it it's hard to see why you're doing it it's hard to see why you're doing it you're doing it you're doing it and it's just it's very very similar and it's just it's very very similar and it's just it's very very similar um so yeah totally totally agree with um so yeah totally totally agree with um so yeah totally totally agree with you you you on the vulnerability part of it
39:00so you just recently did so you just recently did 31 days straight of cold plunging 31 days straight of cold plunging 31 days straight of cold plunging were there particular lessons that you were there particular lessons that you were there particular lessons that you learned through those 31 days of you learned through those 31 days of you learned through those 31 days of you know doing it straight back to back to know doing it straight back to back to know doing it straight back to back to back back back yeah um and that was you know that was something and that was you know that was something and that was you know that was something new for me that I you know I just wanted new for me that I you know I just wanted new for me that I you know I just wanted to do with everybody because I hadn't I to do with everybody because I hadn't I to do with everybody because I hadn't I had I've never done 31 days in a row I I had I've never done 31 days in a row I I had I've never done 31 days in a row I I was doing about two to three days a week was doing about two to three days a week was doing about two to three days a week um was about my Cadence um was about my Cadence um was about my Cadence and and you know doing a 31 days in a row was you know doing a 31 days in a row was you know doing a 31 days in a row was was going to be a challenge and that's was going to be a challenge and that's was going to be a challenge and that's what it was what it was what it was um um I learned I think one of the biggest I learned I think one of the biggest I learned I think one of the biggest things I learned through it was two things I learned through it was two things I learned through it was two things the first one was things the first one was things the first one was uh it probably this one's probably not uh it probably this one's probably not uh it probably this one's probably not like that meaningful but like pacing like that meaningful but like pacing like that meaningful but like pacing myself so myself so myself so knowing that I'm going to do it for 31 knowing that I'm going to do it for 31 knowing that I'm going to do it for 31 days in a row days in a row
40:00days in a row the amount of time I spend in the water the amount of time I spend in the water the amount of time I spend in the water each day it it does kind of add up and each day it it does kind of add up and each day it it does kind of add up and your and your body does your body does exert a lot of energy the your body does exert a lot of energy the more time you spend in the water right more time you spend in the water right more time you spend in the water right and so I knew I knew I needed the pace and so I knew I knew I needed the pace and so I knew I knew I needed the pace myself and myself and myself and make sure I could get through all 31 make sure I could get through all 31 make sure I could get through all 31 days by not staying in there 10 minutes days by not staying in there 10 minutes days by not staying in there 10 minutes every day right I would be in some days every day right I would be in some days every day right I would be in some days I'd be in two minutes some days I'd be I'd be in two minutes some days I'd be I'd be in two minutes some days I'd be in three or four minutes right and then in three or four minutes right and then in three or four minutes right and then and then that was it so I was I would be and then that was it so I was I would be and then that was it so I was I would be in you know maybe maybe two to five two in you know maybe maybe two to five two in you know maybe maybe two to five two to six minutes every day get out and hey to six minutes every day get out and hey to six minutes every day get out and hey we got to move on to the next day right we got to move on to the next day right we got to move on to the next day right that's enough progress for today we'll that's enough progress for today we'll that's enough progress for today we'll move on to the next day because the move on to the next day because the move on to the next day because the longer term the bigger picture is more longer term the bigger picture is more longer term the bigger picture is more important than important than important than than pushing that that's that singular than pushing that that's that singular than pushing that that's that singular day and so day and so day and so that was probably the first lesson I that was probably the first lesson I that was probably the first lesson I think was was pacing think was was pacing think was was pacing um to get you to the long term Finish um to get you to the long term Finish um to get you to the long term Finish Line Line Line um was was one thing I needed to do
41:00um was was one thing I needed to do um was was one thing I needed to do the second one was the second lesson I the second one was the second lesson I the second one was the second lesson I learned from it learned from it learned from it was that they're they're and I mean I kind of they're they're and I mean I kind of already knew this but there's a wide already knew this but there's a wide already knew this but there's a wide range of emotions that I experience in a range of emotions that I experience in a range of emotions that I experience in a 31 day period and and I guess I never 31 day period and and I guess I never 31 day period and and I guess I never really knew how really knew how really knew how how volatile or how how volatile or how how volatile or how up and down how Peak to trough my up and down how Peak to trough my up and down how Peak to trough my emotions really went from a 31 day emotions really went from a 31 day emotions really went from a 31 day period until I broadcasted it to the period until I broadcasted it to the period until I broadcasted it to the world in the entire month of January world in the entire month of January world in the entire month of January right and right and right and um and some days some days I was excited um and some days some days I was excited um and some days some days I was excited some days I was simply like I got some days I was simply like I got some days I was simply like I got nothing to say guys like I'm just I'm nothing to say guys like I'm just I'm nothing to say guys like I'm just I'm doing this and I'm going back inside doing this and I'm going back inside doing this and I'm going back inside um and then other days I was just like um and then other days I was just like um and then other days I was just like you know that was that was sad right and you know that was that was sad right and you know that was that was sad right and I think I think I call myself a sad I think I think I call myself a sad I think I think I call myself a sad clown boy because I was just like I'm clown boy because I was just like I'm clown boy because I was just like I'm just being a sad clown boy today like I just being a sad clown boy today like I just being a sad clown boy today like I just don't right yeah I don't want to
42:00just don't right yeah I don't want to just don't right yeah I don't want to you know you know um and uh I just you know we experience um and uh I just you know we experience um and uh I just you know we experience a lot of emotion a lot of emotion a lot of emotion in a 31 day period in a 31 day period in a 31 day period and that's okay and that's normal and that's okay and that's normal and that's okay and that's normal um and sometimes we just need to um and sometimes we just need to um and sometimes we just need to process the emotions process the emotions process the emotions first acknowledge to yourself that first acknowledge to yourself that first acknowledge to yourself that they're there I think a lot of us kind they're there I think a lot of us kind they're there I think a lot of us kind of feel it and then we just try and of feel it and then we just try and of feel it and then we just try and shove it deep down inside and we just shove it deep down inside and we just shove it deep down inside and we just move on you know move on you know move on you know um um it's okay to take a little bit of time it's okay to take a little bit of time it's okay to take a little bit of time to process the emotion to process the emotion to process the emotion admit and acknowledge that it's there admit and acknowledge that it's there admit and acknowledge that it's there so that you can move on you know so that you can move on you know so that you can move on you know um and so I think that was a big part of um and so I think that was a big part of um and so I think that was a big part of this challenge as well is hey the ups this challenge as well is hey the ups this challenge as well is hey the ups and downs are there they're always going and downs are there they're always going and downs are there they're always going to be there to be there to be there um um but that's how you experience but that's how you experience but that's how you experience good and bad good and bad good and bad happiness and unhappiness right is is happiness and unhappiness right is is happiness and unhappiness right is is you need to have the change
43:00yeah two fantastic points and two fantastic points and two fantastic points and breaking it down into smaller steps breaking it down into smaller steps breaking it down into smaller steps right not necessarily going for the 15 right not necessarily going for the 15 right not necessarily going for the 15 minutes but doing it you know two to minutes but doing it you know two to minutes but doing it you know two to five minutes every day getting in that five minutes every day getting in that five minutes every day getting in that consistent routine taking steps each day consistent routine taking steps each day consistent routine taking steps each day to accomplish a goal whether that be to accomplish a goal whether that be to accomplish a goal whether that be starting a business whether that be starting a business whether that be starting a business whether that be creating content whether that be creating content whether that be creating content whether that be escaping depression it's all the same escaping depression it's all the same escaping depression it's all the same format right it's all the same plan and format right it's all the same plan and format right it's all the same plan and you have to have you have to have you have to have what are you trying to do and then break what are you trying to do and then break what are you trying to do and then break it down into smaller steps every day it down into smaller steps every day it down into smaller steps every day that you can take and I think that that you can take and I think that that you can take and I think that that's exactly what the code taught you that's exactly what the code taught you that's exactly what the code taught you and then also I love the point that you and then also I love the point that you and then also I love the point that you made that it's you have to experience emotions and it's you have to experience emotions and you have to know that emotions are there you have to know that emotions are there you have to know that emotions are there but you can't let emotions run your life but you can't let emotions run your life but you can't let emotions run your life right you can't let them dictate the right you can't let them dictate the right you can't let them dictate the rest of your day because if one day you rest of your day because if one day you rest of your day because if one day you wake up and you understand that you're
44:00wake up and you understand that you're wake up and you understand that you're sad because of your plunge or going into sad because of your plunge or going into sad because of your plunge or going into it you can't let that sadness it you can't let that sadness it you can't let that sadness impact the rest of your day the rest of impact the rest of your day the rest of impact the rest of your day the rest of your week right acknowledge that it's your week right acknowledge that it's your week right acknowledge that it's there if you don't acknowledge it then there if you don't acknowledge it then there if you don't acknowledge it then it's going to impact the rest of your it's going to impact the rest of your it's going to impact the rest of your day and if you don't internalize it and day and if you don't internalize it and day and if you don't internalize it and understand that it's something that's understand that it's something that's understand that it's something that's going to pass then that's how it going to pass then that's how it going to pass then that's how it that's how you stay in this rut right so that's how you stay in this rut right so that's how you stay in this rut right so understand that acknowledge it take a understand that acknowledge it take a understand that acknowledge it take a deep breath move on from it do the deep breath move on from it do the deep breath move on from it do the things that you need to do and things that you need to do and things that you need to do and tomorrow's a new day yeah 100 yeah 100 um yeah you can't really get through you yeah you can't really get through you know know you can't really get through something you can't really get through something you can't really get through something if you if you if you if if you don't know it's there or kind if if you don't know it's there or kind if if you don't know it's there or kind of don't of don't of don't internalize that it's happening to you internalize that it's happening to you internalize that it's happening to you right right um so it's it makes it harder to get um so it's it makes it harder to get um so it's it makes it harder to get through to the other side until you go through to the other side until you go through to the other side until you go okay this is this is what we're dealing okay this is this is what we're dealing okay this is this is what we're dealing with right with right with right um um this is this is what's happened or this
45:00this is this is what's happened or this this is this is what's happened or this is the experience is the experience is the experience um this is what I'm experiencing this is um this is what I'm experiencing this is um this is what I'm experiencing this is what what I'm dealing with now I'm dealing with now I'm dealing with now let's take the next step right let's take the next step right let's take the next step right absolutely absolutely absolutely man I think we've gone pretty deep had hopefully this has gone pretty deep had hopefully this has helped some people understand helped some people understand helped some people understand that what they're going through right that what they're going through right that what they're going through right now is going to pass just like anything now is going to pass just like anything now is going to pass just like anything else you have to take else you have to take else you have to take hard uncomfortable steps every single hard uncomfortable steps every single hard uncomfortable steps every single day but that day but that day but that over time over time over time might not become 100 better and that's might not become 100 better and that's might not become 100 better and that's all right but it becomes manageable all right but it becomes manageable all right but it becomes manageable right and you will start to live and you right and you will start to live and you right and you will start to live and you will start to see the light will start to see the light will start to see the light how would you recommend someone get how would you recommend someone get how would you recommend someone get started with cold exposure started with cold exposure started with cold exposure yeah um to answer that I mean using exactly what to answer that I mean using exactly what to answer that I mean using exactly what you just said basically is is small you just said basically is is small you just said basically is is small steps right so steps right so steps right so especially with the cold I mean if you
46:00especially with the cold I mean if you especially with the cold I mean if you haven't done it before there's haven't done it before there's haven't done it before there's you know you want to step into very very you know you want to step into very very you know you want to step into very very slow and and I think cold showers are a slow and and I think cold showers are a slow and and I think cold showers are a good place to start but good place to start but good place to start but starting starting to understand one of starting starting to understand one of starting starting to understand one of the first things that somebody who who the first things that somebody who who the first things that somebody who who hasn't done it before should understand hasn't done it before should understand hasn't done it before should understand is that there is a very close tie or is that there is a very close tie or is that there is a very close tie or that is a there's a very close that is a there's a very close that is a there's a very close relationship between your breathing relationship between your breathing relationship between your breathing and the cold and then stepping into the and the cold and then stepping into the and the cold and then stepping into the cold right so you're breathing and the cold right so you're breathing and the cold right so you're breathing and the stressor so stressor so stressor so very early on as you start trying to very early on as you start trying to very early on as you start trying to step into it or or adopt a cold practice step into it or or adopt a cold practice step into it or or adopt a cold practice understand the relationship how your understand the relationship how your understand the relationship how your breathing changes and then how you can breathing changes and then how you can breathing changes and then how you can you know utilize your breath to work you know utilize your breath to work you know utilize your breath to work through the situation so deep slow through the situation so deep slow through the situation so deep slow breaths breaths breaths um um and that's before I even get in right is and that's before I even get in right is and that's before I even get in right is deep slow breathing because the
47:00deep slow breathing because the deep slow breathing because the breathing is what's going to breathing is what's going to breathing is what's going to bring your heart rate back down when you bring your heart rate back down when you bring your heart rate back down when you feel that initial Spike feel that initial Spike feel that initial Spike um um and it's just if that's what's going to and it's just if that's what's going to and it's just if that's what's going to be used and you're going to incorporate be used and you're going to incorporate be used and you're going to incorporate in other places in life too right so in other places in life too right so in other places in life too right so cold shower is a great place to start I cold shower is a great place to start I cold shower is a great place to start I mean if um if you have other resources mean if um if you have other resources mean if um if you have other resources right you can right you can right you can you know there's there's tubs you can you know there's there's tubs you can you know there's there's tubs you can find at at Farm Supply equipment stores find at at Farm Supply equipment stores find at at Farm Supply equipment stores right you can get a Rubbermaid 100 right you can get a Rubbermaid 100 right you can get a Rubbermaid 100 gallon tub gallon tub gallon tub um at like a Tractor Supply Co or an Ace um at like a Tractor Supply Co or an Ace um at like a Tractor Supply Co or an Ace Hardware Hardware Hardware um you can do you know things like that um you can do you know things like that um you can do you know things like that you can get nice Barrel you can get all you can get nice Barrel you can get all you can get nice Barrel you can get all sorts of stuff too sorts of stuff too sorts of stuff too um um to start making it easier for you to to start making it easier for you to to start making it easier for you to step in step in step in um remove all those layers of resistance um remove all those layers of resistance um remove all those layers of resistance that's kind of keeping you from doing it that's kind of keeping you from doing it that's kind of keeping you from doing it for sure man yeah for sure man yeah for sure man yeah looking for ice barrel uh we've got some looking for ice barrel uh we've got some looking for ice barrel uh we've got some cool things going on with ice Barrel
48:00cool things going on with ice Barrel cool things going on with ice Barrel here coming up I know they're both here coming up I know they're both here coming up I know they're both mutual friends of ours and um yeah look mutual friends of ours and um yeah look mutual friends of ours and um yeah look at ice Barrel it's a if you have the at ice Barrel it's a if you have the at ice Barrel it's a if you have the means I think that's a that's a great means I think that's a that's a great means I think that's a that's a great way to to get introduced to to the cold way to to get introduced to to the cold way to to get introduced to to the cold to the ice and to the ice and to the ice and um um yeah anything anything you can do right yeah anything anything you can do right yeah anything anything you can do right I went out to my apartment pool because I went out to my apartment pool because I went out to my apartment pool because it was cold outside and like that worked it was cold outside and like that worked it was cold outside and like that worked beautifully it was cold as hell beautifully it was cold as hell beautifully it was cold as hell and what I realized today actually this and what I realized today actually this and what I realized today actually this morning when I was doing it is morning when I was doing it is morning when I was doing it is because a lot of people talk about this because a lot of people talk about this because a lot of people talk about this this breath work where you breathe in this breath work where you breathe in this breath work where you breathe in for four seconds you hold for a second for four seconds you hold for a second for four seconds you hold for a second and a half and you breathe out for eight and a half and you breathe out for eight and a half and you breathe out for eight with kind of pursed lips like you're with kind of pursed lips like you're with kind of pursed lips like you're like you're blowing out a candle like you're blowing out a candle like you're blowing out a candle I realize for me in the water when I I realize for me in the water when I I realize for me in the water when I feel the most comfortable I'm doing that feel the most comfortable I'm doing that feel the most comfortable I'm doing that and I didn't even understand that that's and I didn't even understand that that's and I didn't even understand that that's that's the Cadence that I was doing was that's the Cadence that I was doing was that's the Cadence that I was doing was that kind of four seconds in deep breath that kind of four seconds in deep breath that kind of four seconds in deep breath hold it for a little bit breathe out hold it for a little bit breathe out hold it for a little bit breathe out like you're blowing out a candle or like you're blowing out a candle or like you're blowing out a candle or blowing out a straw and then you start blowing out a straw and then you start blowing out a straw and then you start to understand that psychologically and to understand that psychologically and to understand that psychologically and biologically biologically biologically this is what's happening when when
49:00this is what's happening when when this is what's happening when when you're breathing in the ice and then you're breathing in the ice and then you're breathing in the ice and then like you said you take these lessons and like you said you take these lessons and like you said you take these lessons and you apply them to the stressors of you apply them to the stressors of you apply them to the stressors of everyday life everyday life everyday life yeah 100 and yeah 100 and yeah 100 and um kind of kind of going back also to um kind of kind of going back also to um kind of kind of going back also to just like other other things you can do just like other other things you can do just like other other things you can do if you want to experiment with it or try if you want to experiment with it or try if you want to experiment with it or try and step into it is and step into it is and step into it is um you know putting your hands in a bowl um you know putting your hands in a bowl um you know putting your hands in a bowl of ice water for instance like seems of ice water for instance like seems of ice water for instance like seems silly silly silly um but that that'll help teach teach you um but that that'll help teach teach you um but that that'll help teach teach you or help you see the kind of the brain or help you see the kind of the brain or help you see the kind of the brain Body Connection a little bit between Body Connection a little bit between Body Connection a little bit between what your deal what your hands are what your deal what your hands are what your deal what your hands are feeling which it can it's painful right feeling which it can it's painful right feeling which it can it's painful right it's your hands actually kind of hurt it's your hands actually kind of hurt it's your hands actually kind of hurt um from your body um from your body um from your body reacting to the cold and your blood reacting to the cold and your blood reacting to the cold and your blood vessels constricting and everything but vessels constricting and everything but vessels constricting and everything but but starting to learn the but starting to learn the but starting to learn the how your brain and your body intersect how your brain and your body intersect how your brain and your body intersect as you have that experience and what as you have that experience and what as you have that experience and what your thought process is as you do it your thought process is as you do it your thought process is as you do it versus what your you know you're feeling versus what your you know you're feeling versus what your you know you're feeling that type of stuff
50:00that type of stuff that type of stuff um that's a good kind of exercise you um that's a good kind of exercise you um that's a good kind of exercise you can do or even just kind of walking can do or even just kind of walking can do or even just kind of walking outside right with without a coat for outside right with without a coat for outside right with without a coat for maybe a few minutes obviously do that maybe a few minutes obviously do that maybe a few minutes obviously do that safely but safely but safely but also using that as an experience of hey also using that as an experience of hey also using that as an experience of hey this is temporary this is temporary this is temporary um let me focus on my breath and and and um let me focus on my breath and and and um let me focus on my breath and and and and work through it um but yeah and work through it um but yeah and work through it um but yeah breathing is a it's just it's a powerful breathing is a it's just it's a powerful breathing is a it's just it's a powerful tool that just applies to every tool that just applies to every tool that just applies to every you know every area of life you know every area of life you know every area of life absolutely so people want to understand so people want to understand the science behind it because I think the science behind it because I think the science behind it because I think we've both looked into the science but I we've both looked into the science but I we've both looked into the science but I don't consider myself an expert on it by don't consider myself an expert on it by don't consider myself an expert on it by any means I'm more just kind of any means I'm more just kind of any means I'm more just kind of anecdotally and anecdotally and anecdotally and um um know the benefits but I know Dr huberman know the benefits but I know Dr huberman know the benefits but I know Dr huberman has some great episodes on it do you has some great episodes on it do you has some great episodes on it do you know do you have anything else that you know do you have anything else that you know do you have anything else that you would you would take people who want to would you would take people who want to would you would take people who want to kind of understand how this is happen kind of understand how this is happen kind of understand how this is happen how this is happening in your body how this is happening in your body how this is happening in your body yeah so so Andrew heberman right
51:00yeah so so Andrew heberman right yeah so so Andrew heberman right um and his huberman lad podcast um and his huberman lad podcast um and his huberman lad podcast um um you know he has episodes on deliberate you know he has episodes on deliberate you know he has episodes on deliberate cold exposure and and he goes through cold exposure and and he goes through cold exposure and and he goes through some of the science there and he also some of the science there and he also some of the science there and he also has guests on um and uh Dr Susanna has guests on um and uh Dr Susanna has guests on um and uh Dr Susanna soberg as well she soberg as well she soberg as well she she has a book called winter swimming she has a book called winter swimming she has a book called winter swimming and she she's the metabolic scientist and she she's the metabolic scientist and she she's the metabolic scientist kind of behind kind of behind kind of behind behind Cold exposure and how your body behind Cold exposure and how your body behind Cold exposure and how your body and your metabolism responds to cold and your metabolism responds to cold and your metabolism responds to cold um and so she has you know she's she's um and so she has you know she's she's um and so she has you know she's she's found a lot of very interesting things found a lot of very interesting things found a lot of very interesting things as well from this so I'd look up Dr as well from this so I'd look up Dr as well from this so I'd look up Dr soberg also but yeah Dr huberman Wright soberg also but yeah Dr huberman Wright soberg also but yeah Dr huberman Wright was was um him and and then also just any videos um him and and then also just any videos um him and and then also just any videos I could find on Wim Hof right we're kind I could find on Wim Hof right we're kind I could find on Wim Hof right we're kind of my Baseline for of my Baseline for of my Baseline for for learning about it and and for learning about it and and for learning about it and and the science and in the protocol as well the science and in the protocol as well the science and in the protocol as well right so he'll go into Dr huberman will right so he'll go into Dr huberman will right so he'll go into Dr huberman will go into the protocol and the best
52:00go into the protocol and the best go into the protocol and the best practices for hey what's a good practices for hey what's a good practices for hey what's a good temperature what's a good time what's temperature what's a good time what's temperature what's a good time what's you know what should I do afterwards you know what should I do afterwards you know what should I do afterwards what should I not do what things kind of what should I not do what things kind of what should I not do what things kind of you know affect my experience in the you know affect my experience in the you know affect my experience in the cold more than others and so there's a cold more than others and so there's a cold more than others and so there's a lot of good just very useful stuff to to lot of good just very useful stuff to to lot of good just very useful stuff to to know know um as you get started that's that are in um as you get started that's that are in um as you get started that's that are in those episodes those episodes those episodes awesome last question for you awesome last question for you awesome last question for you one piece of advice for someone one piece of advice for someone one piece of advice for someone who is in that who is in that who is in that Darkness right now it was in that Darkness right now it was in that Darkness right now it was in that depression that we both experience that depression that we both experience that depression that we both experience that a lot of people have experience or a lot a lot of people have experience or a lot a lot of people have experience or a lot of people are experiencing right now of people are experiencing right now of people are experiencing right now what would you tell that person who's in what would you tell that person who's in what would you tell that person who's in that Darkness do something just completely out of your do something just completely out of your routine just you know do everything in routine just you know do everything in routine just you know do everything in your power your power your power um um um um something that is just because one of
53:00something that is just because one of something that is just because one of the things one of the ways I experienced the things one of the ways I experienced the things one of the ways I experienced my depression my depression my depression um like I mentioned before was just that um like I mentioned before was just that um like I mentioned before was just that the paralysis or just the not knowing the paralysis or just the not knowing the paralysis or just the not knowing what to do or where to start or how to what to do or where to start or how to what to do or where to start or how to start or even why I was doing it start or even why I was doing it start or even why I was doing it um do something that is just so um do something that is just so um do something that is just so not you um and that you haven't that that makes um and that you haven't that that makes you uncomfortable right and that and you uncomfortable right and that and you uncomfortable right and that and that makes you kind of Branch out a that makes you kind of Branch out a that makes you kind of Branch out a little bit or little bit or little bit or or get out of the routine because or get out of the routine because or get out of the routine because the routine the routine the routine a lot of times is what can contribute to a lot of times is what can contribute to a lot of times is what can contribute to how you're feeling and and there were how you're feeling and and there were how you're feeling and and there were parts of my routine and there still are parts of my routine and there still are parts of my routine and there still are parts of my routine that parts of my routine that parts of my routine that contribute to the depression that I feel contribute to the depression that I feel contribute to the depression that I feel that I need to work on that I need to work on that I need to work on um um and so if you can do something that is and so if you can do something that is and so if you can do something that is just a little bit out of your normal just a little bit out of your normal just a little bit out of your normal routine routine routine and it can be the simplest thing it can
54:00and it can be the simplest thing it can and it can be the simplest thing it can it can be walking out going for a walk it can be walking out going for a walk it can be walking out going for a walk outside outside outside um um that'll that'll help you to just kind of that'll that'll help you to just kind of that'll that'll help you to just kind of break through break through break through that that paralysis that you just you know that paralysis that you just you know you deal with day to day you deal with day to day you deal with day to day um um is this try and commit to just one thing is this try and commit to just one thing is this try and commit to just one thing right just go go clean your front right just go go clean your front right just go go clean your front doorstep go walk outside go jump in the doorstep go walk outside go jump in the doorstep go walk outside go jump in the river go and that's what it was for me river go and that's what it was for me river go and that's what it was for me it was you know go it was you know go it was you know go I don't know go anything to something I don't know go anything to something I don't know go anything to something different right that makes you that makes you break out of the routine that makes you break out of the routine yeah yeah I love it man that's a that's one we've I love it man that's a that's one we've I love it man that's a that's one we've not heard before I appreciate that yeah not heard before I appreciate that yeah not heard before I appreciate that yeah awesome absolutely well cam where can awesome absolutely well cam where can awesome absolutely well cam where can people find you where can they kind of people find you where can they kind of people find you where can they kind of go on this journey of of cold exposure go on this journey of of cold exposure go on this journey of of cold exposure with you and how do people how do people with you and how do people how do people with you and how do people how do people get in touch with you
55:00get in touch with you get in touch with you yeah so cold plunge cam uh on Instagram yeah so cold plunge cam uh on Instagram yeah so cold plunge cam uh on Instagram and Tick Tock I you know almost and Tick Tock I you know almost and Tick Tock I you know almost everything I I do is just been on everything I I do is just been on everything I I do is just been on Instagram I'm you know working on The Instagram I'm you know working on The Instagram I'm you know working on The Tick Tock page but Tick Tock page but Tick Tock page but um you know hopefully we we I can I can um you know hopefully we we I can I can um you know hopefully we we I can I can Branch out a little bit more and Branch out a little bit more and Branch out a little bit more and um kind of enter some new platforms some um kind of enter some new platforms some um kind of enter some new platforms some new channels and stuff but but that's uh new channels and stuff but but that's uh new channels and stuff but but that's uh that's where you find me yep is uh is that's where you find me yep is uh is that's where you find me yep is uh is mostly Instagram cold plunge cam mostly Instagram cold plunge cam mostly Instagram cold plunge cam awesome well cool pledge cam thank you awesome well cool pledge cam thank you awesome well cool pledge cam thank you so much for your time today brother so much for your time today brother so much for your time today brother thank you for your vulnerability and for thank you for your vulnerability and for thank you for your vulnerability and for the message they're putting out there I the message they're putting out there I the message they're putting out there I know it's helping so many people and I know it's helping so many people and I know it's helping so many people and I look forward to hopefully some people uh look forward to hopefully some people uh look forward to hopefully some people uh putting themselves in a intentionally putting themselves in a intentionally putting themselves in a intentionally uncomfortable situation after after this uncomfortable situation after after this uncomfortable situation after after this discussion today discussion today discussion today absolutely thanks for having me yes sir absolutely thanks for having me yes sir absolutely thanks for having me yes sir take care