00:00hi my name is guy lawrence and thanks hi my name is guy lawrence and thanks for tuning in to my podcast today if for tuning in to my podcast today if for tuning in to my podcast today if you're enjoying these conversations and you're enjoying these conversations and you're enjoying these conversations and you want to check out more of this you want to check out more of this you want to check out more of this transformational work transformational work transformational work be sure to come back to be sure to come back to be sure to come back to guylorance.com.edu guylorance.com.edu guylorance.com.edu and join me as we go further down the and join me as we go further down the and join me as we go further down the rabbit hole enjoy the show mark welcome to the podcast great to be mark welcome to the podcast great to be with you guys with you guys with you guys mark you know since last week after mark you know since last week after mark you know since last week after meeting you in person meeting you in person meeting you in person and then doing a little bit of digging and then doing a little bit of digging and then doing a little bit of digging and research and research and research on you i wasn't sure where to start mate on you i wasn't sure where to start mate on you i wasn't sure where to start mate because because because you have a lot going on and you have a you have a lot going on and you have a you have a lot going on and you have a lot of qualifications lot of qualifications lot of qualifications and there are so many areas to cover and there are so many areas to cover and there are so many areas to cover today um today um today um if you were to encapsulate if you were to encapsulate if you were to encapsulate what you do and where you're at right what you do and where you're at right what you do and where you're at right now how would you how would you do that i have fun and i try and i have fun and i try and i'm trying to create a culture of i'm trying to create a culture of i'm trying to create a culture of wellness that will infect the world with
01:00wellness that will infect the world with wellness that will infect the world with good health good health good health so i'm trying to make that a joyous so i'm trying to make that a joyous so i'm trying to make that a joyous process process process and i'm trying to make it regenerative and i'm trying to make it regenerative and i'm trying to make it regenerative and and and infectious and a lot of fun infectious and a lot of fun infectious and a lot of fun so that's um yeah trying to create a so that's um yeah trying to create a so that's um yeah trying to create a culture of wellness and culture of wellness and culture of wellness and i have been you know you know studying i have been you know you know studying i have been you know you know studying and researching for a long long time you and researching for a long long time you and researching for a long long time you know four decades know four decades know four decades at university now i feel like i'm just at university now i feel like i'm just at university now i feel like i'm just ready to ready to ready to to go out into the world and start to go out into the world and start to go out into the world and start offering my gifts to the world and um offering my gifts to the world and um offering my gifts to the world and um you know i'm really aligned with you you know i'm really aligned with you you know i'm really aligned with you know global transformation and the know global transformation and the know global transformation and the global transformation that's required global transformation that's required global transformation that's required not the one that's necessarily happening not the one that's necessarily happening not the one that's necessarily happening so i really believe in trying to work so i really believe in trying to work so i really believe in trying to work really hard towards what i do want really hard towards what i do want really hard towards what i do want rather than fighting anything that i rather than fighting anything that i rather than fighting anything that i don't want don't want don't want and what i want is worldwide wellness and what i want is worldwide wellness and what i want is worldwide wellness and the way to achieve that isn't just and the way to achieve that isn't just and the way to achieve that isn't just through some you know through some you know through some you know action or opposing anything it's through action or opposing anything it's through action or opposing anything it's through creating creating creating a culture where we all respect each a culture where we all respect each a culture where we all respect each other respect ourselves respect the
02:00other respect ourselves respect the other respect ourselves respect the earth earth earth and i have a vision that we can turn the and i have a vision that we can turn the and i have a vision that we can turn the whole whole world into a health retreat whole whole world into a health retreat whole whole world into a health retreat so i'm trying to implement that vision so i'm trying to implement that vision so i'm trying to implement that vision through as many channels as i can so i'm through as many channels as i can so i'm through as many channels as i can so i'm writing writing writing you know academic articles i'm right i'm you know academic articles i'm right i'm you know academic articles i'm right i'm doing active research i'm writing doing active research i'm writing doing active research i'm writing textbooks i'm writing textbooks i'm writing textbooks i'm writing children's books i'm writing poetry i'm children's books i'm writing poetry i'm children's books i'm writing poetry i'm speaking on podcasts on speaking on podcasts on speaking on podcasts on writing copy for websites like creating writing copy for websites like creating writing copy for websites like creating new brands and new products new brands and new products new brands and new products but really they're all in service of um but really they're all in service of um but really they're all in service of um a positive global transformation and a positive global transformation and a positive global transformation and make empowering people to do it make empowering people to do it make empowering people to do it themselves themselves themselves so i'm really i'm really about simple so i'm really i'm really about simple so i'm really i'm really about simple practical solutions that you can do practical solutions that you can do practical solutions that you can do right now in your home um to change your right now in your home um to change your right now in your home um to change your life and then you can spread that life and then you can spread that life and then you can spread that throughout your own community throughout your own community throughout your own community amazing well you certainly are a gift to amazing well you certainly are a gift to amazing well you certainly are a gift to the world mate and it's clearly you're the world mate and it's clearly you're the world mate and it's clearly you're on a mission on a mission on a mission seriously like it's it's incredible and seriously like it's it's incredible and seriously like it's it's incredible and what i've noticed from of what i've noticed from of what i've noticed from of small interactions and even on your small interactions and even on your small interactions and even on your website that joy
03:00website that joy website that joy is always at the top of wellness is always at the top of wellness is always at the top of wellness could you elaborate a little bit on that could you elaborate a little bit on that could you elaborate a little bit on that please because it's please because it's please because it's so important it's so important um you so important it's so important um you so important it's so important um you know know know if i can't dance i don't want to be part if i can't dance i don't want to be part if i can't dance i don't want to be part of your revolution so dancing is really of your revolution so dancing is really of your revolution so dancing is really important it's always a really important important it's always a really important important it's always a really important part part part and and since um you know studying and and since um you know studying and and since um you know studying western medicine and chinese medicine western medicine and chinese medicine western medicine and chinese medicine and learning about the five and learning about the five and learning about the five elements in chinese medicine then the elements in chinese medicine then the elements in chinese medicine then the five rhythms of transformation five rhythms of transformation five rhythms of transformation and um i break everything down into and um i break everything down into and um i break everything down into fives i've got all these little fives i've got all these little fives i've got all these little lots of fives and i know once you've got lots of fives and i know once you've got lots of fives and i know once you've got a system of five that's complete and i a system of five that's complete and i a system of five that's complete and i i have a system of fives that i use for i have a system of fives that i use for i have a system of fives that i use for making any decisions about my life making any decisions about my life making any decisions about my life i call it the 5s so for me to do i call it the 5s so for me to do i call it the 5s so for me to do something right now something right now something right now it has to be fun and funny is like the it has to be fun and funny is like the it has to be fun and funny is like the driving force it's the flowing elements driving force it's the flowing elements driving force it's the flowing elements it it it it gives the momentum for everything it gives the momentum for everything it gives the momentum for everything else then else then else then then it has to bring fortune not then it has to bring fortune not then it has to bring fortune not necessarily to make me rich but necessarily to make me rich but necessarily to make me rich but it has to bring in revenue or some sort it has to bring in revenue or some sort it has to bring in revenue or some sort of of of agency that makes me more powerful in agency that makes me more powerful in agency that makes me more powerful in the world makes me more fortunate in the the world makes me more fortunate in the the world makes me more fortunate in the world and that's staccato element you
04:00world and that's staccato element you world and that's staccato element you can measure that in terms of you know can measure that in terms of you know can measure that in terms of you know accounting and accounting and accounting and you know it's it's dollars and cents and you know it's it's dollars and cents and you know it's it's dollars and cents and and then and then and then the chaos elements um which might be the chaos elements um which might be the chaos elements um which might be elemental metal elements in chinese elemental metal elements in chinese elemental metal elements in chinese medicine medicine medicine is fame it's about what people say about is fame it's about what people say about is fame it's about what people say about you or leaving a good reputation and a you or leaving a good reputation and a you or leaving a good reputation and a legacy of legacy of legacy of of good feeling in the world and then of good feeling in the world and then of good feeling in the world and then the the lyrical element uh the fire the the lyrical element uh the fire the the lyrical element uh the fire element is element is element is fluency it's about me being more fluent fluency it's about me being more fluent fluency it's about me being more fluent with my own life and learning and with my own life and learning and with my own life and learning and developing myself developing myself developing myself to be more free-flowing in my own in my to be more free-flowing in my own in my to be more free-flowing in my own in my own personal own personal own personal pathway and then finally it's about pathway and then finally it's about pathway and then finally it's about friendships and family friendships and family friendships and family so you know if it's going to bring me so you know if it's going to bring me so you know if it's going to bring me fun fortune fun fortune fun fortune fame fluency and friendships i do it if fame fluency and friendships i do it if fame fluency and friendships i do it if any one of those are missing i don't any one of those are missing i don't any one of those are missing i don't but it's um yeah but fun is certainly but it's um yeah but fun is certainly but it's um yeah but fun is certainly the driving momentum behind everything i the driving momentum behind everything i the driving momentum behind everything i do do do and that's um no i don't feel like i and that's um no i don't feel like i and that's um no i don't feel like i don't work i don't work i don't work i i retired from my formal affiliate you i retired from my formal affiliate you i retired from my formal affiliate you know professorship two years ago know professorship two years ago know professorship two years ago just over two years ago and um i don't
05:00just over two years ago and um i don't just over two years ago and um i don't you know i don't work anymore i just you know i don't work anymore i just you know i don't work anymore i just i do passion projects and it just so i do passion projects and it just so i do passion projects and it just so happens my passion is happens my passion is happens my passion is global transformation and because all global transformation and because all global transformation and because all those things i do are fun those things i do are fun those things i do are fun i don't feel like i'm working i love it i don't feel like i'm working i love it i don't feel like i'm working i love it i always think about i always think about i always think about that and if we were had more of a clear that and if we were had more of a clear that and if we were had more of a clear it's almost like if it's a hell yes with it's almost like if it's a hell yes with it's almost like if it's a hell yes with these five f's i mean these five f's i mean these five f's i mean and if it doesn't mean it it's a no one and if it doesn't mean it it's a no one and if it doesn't mean it it's a no one and life becomes quite simple and life becomes quite simple and life becomes quite simple i think that's it and and i really think i think that's it and and i really think i think that's it and and i really think thinking is overrated and this is coming thinking is overrated and this is coming thinking is overrated and this is coming from an academic from an academic from an academic my whole career is about thinking i'm my whole career is about thinking i'm my whole career is about thinking i'm spending 38 years at university spending 38 years at university spending 38 years at university but i think once you've sorted things but i think once you've sorted things but i think once you've sorted things out um i mean thinking is only ever in out um i mean thinking is only ever in out um i mean thinking is only ever in the past and the future it's never in the past and the future it's never in the past and the future it's never in the present the present the present and life only happens in the present so and life only happens in the present so and life only happens in the present so thinking it's good to thinking it's good to thinking it's good to direct a strategy you know work out the direct a strategy you know work out the direct a strategy you know work out the five fs work out you're on the right five fs work out you're on the right five fs work out you're on the right path path path but once you know your path you can just but once you know your path you can just but once you know your path you can just be in the path and you don't have to be in the path and you don't have to be in the path and you don't have to think about it think about it think about it and i'm amazed at the synchronicities and i'm amazed at the synchronicities and i'm amazed at the synchronicities that happen especially when i'm up here that happen especially when i'm up here that happen especially when i'm up here in northern rivers i turn up and whoever
06:00in northern rivers i turn up and whoever in northern rivers i turn up and whoever i need to meet it just i need to meet it just i need to meet it just appears in my path and i look around and appears in my path and i look around and appears in my path and i look around and you know you know whatever i need is you know you know whatever i need is you know you know whatever i need is available available available i don't have to plan it i don't have to i don't have to plan it i don't have to i don't have to plan it i don't have to strategize it just it just happens strategize it just it just happens strategize it just it just happens naturally in the flow and naturally in the flow and naturally in the flow and i take that as an affirmation that i'm i take that as an affirmation that i'm i take that as an affirmation that i'm in the flow and and i in the flow and and i in the flow and and i feel really supported by life wow feel really supported by life wow feel really supported by life wow do you think you had to lead yourself to do you think you had to lead yourself to do you think you had to lead yourself to this point live a certain this point live a certain this point live a certain life for so long before you could drop life for so long before you could drop life for so long before you could drop into the flow into the flow into the flow because i think a lot of us fantasize because i think a lot of us fantasize because i think a lot of us fantasize about it love the idea of it about it love the idea of it about it love the idea of it it's been a long path and it's actually it's been a long path and it's actually it's been a long path and it's actually been a like um been a like um been a like um i've had to educate and train myself on i've had to educate and train myself on i've had to educate and train myself on this it was about 25 years ago this it was about 25 years ago this it was about 25 years ago maybe a bit more um i came up with this maybe a bit more um i came up with this maybe a bit more um i came up with this concept of pro-normia concept of pro-normia concept of pro-normia and um that's the opposite of paranoia and um that's the opposite of paranoia and um that's the opposite of paranoia it's a belief that it's a belief that it's a belief that the whole universe is plotting to make the whole universe is plotting to make the whole universe is plotting to make you happy and that there's nothing you you happy and that there's nothing you you happy and that there's nothing you can do about it can do about it can do about it and you know i came and it's actually a and you know i came and it's actually a and you know i came and it's actually a book been written on it since there but book been written on it since there but book been written on it since there but when i came up with this idea was um you when i came up with this idea was um you when i came up with this idea was um you know i realized that both know i realized that both know i realized that both pronoya and paranoia are delusional
07:00pronoya and paranoia are delusional pronoya and paranoia are delusional because the universe isn't out to hurt because the universe isn't out to hurt because the universe isn't out to hurt you and the universe doesn't have to you and the universe doesn't have to you and the universe doesn't have to help you the universe just is help you the universe just is help you the universe just is but then if you're going to think and be but then if you're going to think and be but then if you're going to think and be deluded you can consciously choose your deluded you can consciously choose your deluded you can consciously choose your delusion delusion delusion and if you choose to think that the and if you choose to think that the and if you choose to think that the whole world is plotting to make you whole world is plotting to make you whole world is plotting to make you happy happy happy i can become a self-fulfilling prophecy i can become a self-fulfilling prophecy i can become a self-fulfilling prophecy and it's a lot more fun and it's a lot more fun and it's a lot more fun it's not more fun to think that events it's not more fun to think that events it's not more fun to think that events are out there to help you rather than to are out there to help you rather than to are out there to help you rather than to hurt you hurt you hurt you and um even events that seemingly are and um even events that seemingly are and um even events that seemingly are you know disastrous or negative can you know disastrous or negative can you know disastrous or negative can often have this often have this often have this incredible gift if you're open to that incredible gift if you're open to that incredible gift if you're open to that gift and if you're in action gift and if you're in action gift and if you're in action and um i wrote a children's book about and um i wrote a children's book about and um i wrote a children's book about this and it's actually a very famous this and it's actually a very famous this and it's actually a very famous um story out of china it's often told in um story out of china it's often told in um story out of china it's often told in yoga communities there's a couple of ted yoga communities there's a couple of ted yoga communities there's a couple of ted talks on about it talks on about it talks on about it it's about the man who lost his horse it's about the man who lost his horse it's about the man who lost his horse and um and um and um in the story doesn't mean there's a man in the story doesn't mean there's a man in the story doesn't mean there's a man with a with a horse and the villagers with a with a horse and the villagers with a with a horse and the villagers say that's good you've got a horse he say that's good you've got a horse he say that's good you've got a horse he said i don't know if it's good or bad i said i don't know if it's good or bad i said i don't know if it's good or bad i just know i've got a horse just know i've got a horse just know i've got a horse and the horse runs away and they say and the horse runs away and they say and the horse runs away and they say that's dead he says i don't know if it's that's dead he says i don't know if it's that's dead he says i don't know if it's good or bad and then the horse comes good or bad and then the horse comes good or bad and then the horse comes back with back with back with some stallions or he they say that's some stallions or he they say that's some stallions or he they say that's good he says i don't know if it's good
08:00good he says i don't know if it's good good he says i don't know if it's good and then his son rides the horse and and then his son rides the horse and and then his son rides the horse and breaks his leg and they say oh that's breaks his leg and they say oh that's breaks his leg and they say oh that's bad he says i don't know bad he says i don't know bad he says i don't know and then his son gets saved from being and then his son gets saved from being and then his son gets saved from being taken away by the soldier just to go taken away by the soldier just to go taken away by the soldier just to go fight or he's got a broken leg and they fight or he's got a broken leg and they fight or he's got a broken leg and they say oh that's good and he says i don't say oh that's good and he says i don't say oh that's good and he says i don't know and know and know and that story really made it an impact on that story really made it an impact on that story really made it an impact on me when i first me when i first me when i first you know read it 30 years ago and then you know read it 30 years ago and then you know read it 30 years ago and then when my children were growing up when my children were growing up when my children were growing up um i transformed that story to have two um i transformed that story to have two um i transformed that story to have two lots of villagers to realize in any lots of villagers to realize in any lots of villagers to realize in any situation you could say it's good situation you could say it's good situation you could say it's good if you're a kind villager you've got a if you're a kind villager you've got a if you're a kind villager you've got a horse eye that's good you're rich but if horse eye that's good you're rich but if horse eye that's good you're rich but if you're a selfish village you could say you're a selfish village you could say you're a selfish village you could say it's bad you've got a horse because it's bad you've got a horse because it's bad you've got a horse because you're richer than me you're richer than me you're richer than me um and then the man can say i don't know um and then the man can say i don't know um and then the man can say i don't know if it's good or bad and then the boy can if it's good or bad and then the boy can if it's good or bad and then the boy can be be be open into discovery in action and he'll open into discovery in action and he'll open into discovery in action and he'll ride the horse ride the horse ride the horse and he realizes he loves the horse more and he realizes he loves the horse more and he realizes he loves the horse more than anything else in the world and than anything else in the world and than anything else in the world and he doesn't have time to study with his he doesn't have time to study with his he doesn't have time to study with his father or play with the other village father or play with the other village father or play with the other village boys and girls boys and girls boys and girls and he gives thanks for the horse and and he gives thanks for the horse and and he gives thanks for the horse and then if the horse when the horse runs then if the horse when the horse runs then if the horse when the horse runs away so the boys lost the thing he loves away so the boys lost the thing he loves away so the boys lost the thing he loves more than anything else in the world more than anything else in the world more than anything else in the world and you know the kind that we just say and you know the kind that we just say and you know the kind that we just say it's bad and they're selfish that we it's bad and they're selfish that we it's bad and they're selfish that we just say that's good
09:00just say that's good just say that's good because you're just as poor as us and because you're just as poor as us and because you're just as poor as us and the man says i don't know the man says i don't know the man says i don't know and the boy says hmm i'll play with the and the boy says hmm i'll play with the and the boy says hmm i'll play with the other boys now other boys now other boys now and he realizes you know he's got and he realizes you know he's got and he realizes you know he's got friends he loves playing with his friends he loves playing with his friends he loves playing with his friends and he realizes friends and he realizes friends and he realizes he loves playing with his friends more he loves playing with his friends more he loves playing with his friends more than anything else in the world so than anything else in the world so than anything else in the world so actually gives thanks that he that he actually gives thanks that he that he actually gives thanks that he that he lost his horse lost his horse lost his horse and then when the horse comes back and and then when the horse comes back and and then when the horse comes back and he loves the power of riding the he loves the power of riding the he loves the power of riding the stallions and he breaks his leg stallions and he breaks his leg stallions and he breaks his leg and rather than you know poor me he says and rather than you know poor me he says and rather than you know poor me he says i'm gonna go study with my father now i'm gonna go study with my father now i'm gonna go study with my father now and you know he sits with his leg up and and you know he sits with his leg up and and you know he sits with his leg up and studies with his father and realizing he studies with his father and realizing he studies with his father and realizing he loves learning loves learning loves learning so he gives thanks that he broke his leg so he gives thanks that he broke his leg so he gives thanks that he broke his leg and i think any situation can be like and i think any situation can be like and i think any situation can be like that there's always a gift that there's always a gift that there's always a gift and an interpretation of any situation and an interpretation of any situation and an interpretation of any situation that that that makes it the best possible thing and you makes it the best possible thing and you makes it the best possible thing and you can be grateful for it can be grateful for it can be grateful for it but you have to find it you have to but you have to find it you have to but you have to find it you have to create that and i'm not saying bad create that and i'm not saying bad create that and i'm not saying bad things don't happen and you don't get things don't happen and you don't get things don't happen and you don't get upset about it upset about it upset about it but i think that the suffering is a but i think that the suffering is a but i think that the suffering is a choice choice choice and you know in any situation you can and you know in any situation you can and you know in any situation you can create a create a create a um a narrative that it's terrible and um a narrative that it's terrible and um a narrative that it's terrible and you're suffering and oh poor me
10:00you're suffering and oh poor me you're suffering and oh poor me but for every negative thought or in you but for every negative thought or in you but for every negative thought or in you have there's an have there's an have there's an equally valid and equally powerful equally valid and equally powerful equally valid and equally powerful positive interpretation positive interpretation positive interpretation and it's just in fact there's an and it's just in fact there's an and it's just in fact there's an infinite number of equally valid and infinite number of equally valid and infinite number of equally valid and equally powerful positive equally powerful positive equally powerful positive interpretations because thought is not interpretations because thought is not interpretations because thought is not limited limited limited and if you can find that positive and if you can find that positive and if you can find that positive interpretation and you hold both of them interpretation and you hold both of them interpretation and you hold both of them in in in your mind and you can feel balanced then your mind and you can feel balanced then your mind and you can feel balanced then you can be at peace with whatever you can be at peace with whatever you can be at peace with whatever happens happens happens so i've been cultivating that for a long so i've been cultivating that for a long so i've been cultivating that for a long time so even when seemingly time so even when seemingly time so even when seemingly negative things happen i say okay what's negative things happen i say okay what's negative things happen i say okay what's where's the positive interpretation what where's the positive interpretation what where's the positive interpretation what action can i do action can i do action can i do that makes this the best possible thing that makes this the best possible thing that makes this the best possible thing and and you know you can manifest it so it is a you know you can manifest it so it is a you know you can manifest it so it is a it's a personal practice it's a personal practice it's a personal practice um of you know just not catastrophizing um of you know just not catastrophizing um of you know just not catastrophizing and realizing oh and realizing oh and realizing oh you know global lockdowns and you know you know global lockdowns and you know you know global lockdowns and you know all this stuff that's going on right now all this stuff that's going on right now all this stuff that's going on right now it seems pretty bad you know what's the it seems pretty bad you know what's the it seems pretty bad you know what's the interpretation that makes this the best interpretation that makes this the best interpretation that makes this the best possible thing and there's lots of them possible thing and there's lots of them possible thing and there's lots of them so yeah so i have been cultivating that so yeah so i have been cultivating that so yeah so i have been cultivating that for a long long time for a long long time for a long long time but it's um it's actually quite
11:00but it's um it's actually quite but it's um it's actually quite liberating when you realize that you liberating when you realize that you liberating when you realize that you have the power have the power have the power of your own over your own suffering or of your own over your own suffering or of your own over your own suffering or over your own over your own over your own joy and you know that's where thinking joy and you know that's where thinking joy and you know that's where thinking can be useful because you can actually can be useful because you can actually can be useful because you can actually create a scenario create a scenario create a scenario that actually brings joy from whatever that actually brings joy from whatever that actually brings joy from whatever event event event amazing yeah and you're living proof of amazing yeah and you're living proof of amazing yeah and you're living proof of it which is brilliant it which is brilliant it which is brilliant it truly is i was fascinated as well it truly is i was fascinated as well it truly is i was fascinated as well mark because mark because mark because i read on your website right that you i read on your website right that you i read on your website right that you have more than 100 peer-reviewed have more than 100 peer-reviewed have more than 100 peer-reviewed scientific papers on wellness and scientific papers on wellness and scientific papers on wellness and natural medicine which blows my mind natural medicine which blows my mind natural medicine which blows my mind right that blows my mind believe it or right that blows my mind believe it or right that blows my mind believe it or not that's you know for an academic not that's you know for an academic not that's you know for an academic career that's okay but there you know career that's okay but there you know career that's okay but there you know there are professors and other people there are professors and other people there are professors and other people having having having 300 you know that's their career so you 300 you know that's their career so you 300 you know that's their career so you know i've had a long academic career so know i've had a long academic career so know i've had a long academic career so a hundred peer review papers is a hundred peer review papers is a hundred peer review papers is you know it's i mean and the i think the you know it's i mean and the i think the you know it's i mean and the i think the the thing that's unique about my papers the thing that's unique about my papers the thing that's unique about my papers is they're very diverse is they're very diverse is they're very diverse that's the question i wanted to ask you that's the question i wanted to ask you that's the question i wanted to ask you because you speak about bridging because you speak about bridging because you speak about bridging scientific research scientific research scientific research and then traditional wisdom and i'm
12:00and then traditional wisdom and i'm and then traditional wisdom and i'm fascinated to see the interest and fascinated to see the interest and fascinated to see the interest and how the blend come together from you was how the blend come together from you was how the blend come together from you was it from your own personal journey or it from your own personal journey or it from your own personal journey or experiences or was it just experiences or was it just experiences or was it just a curiosity not very much or very much a curiosity not very much or very much a curiosity not very much or very much my own curiosity has led me i mean it my own curiosity has led me i mean it my own curiosity has led me i mean it led me to do led me to do led me to do chinese medicine i'll take years off my chinese medicine i'll take years off my chinese medicine i'll take years off my my medical degree to study chinese my medical degree to study chinese my medical degree to study chinese medicine and medicine and medicine and then stop being a doctor for a while and then stop being a doctor for a while and then stop being a doctor for a while and study electrical computer systems study electrical computer systems study electrical computer systems engineering to understand engineering to understand engineering to understand um interaction of how information flows um interaction of how information flows um interaction of how information flows through the body and the effect of through the body and the effect of through the body and the effect of electromagnetic fields electromagnetic fields electromagnetic fields and the research i've done funnily and the research i've done funnily and the research i've done funnily enough it's always been in areas that enough it's always been in areas that enough it's always been in areas that have no money behind them have no money behind them have no money behind them so i've researched all the natural so i've researched all the natural so i've researched all the natural therapies and i think yoga and therapies and i think yoga and therapies and i think yoga and meditation organic food meditation organic food meditation organic food hot springs you know saunas um health hot springs you know saunas um health hot springs you know saunas um health retreats retreats retreats um herbal medicine nutrition um um herbal medicine nutrition um um herbal medicine nutrition um herbal teas um you know lots of lots of herbal teas um you know lots of lots of herbal teas um you know lots of lots of yoga research from different aspects of yoga research from different aspects of yoga research from different aspects of yoga and breathing practices yoga and breathing practices yoga and breathing practices so these are all the things that you can so these are all the things that you can so these are all the things that you can sort of do at home without it's not a sort of do at home without it's not a sort of do at home without it's not a product and it's not it's not product and it's not it's not product and it's not it's not people lining up to fund these studies people lining up to fund these studies people lining up to fund these studies and i've been quite successful i mean and i've been quite successful i mean and i've been quite successful i mean i've done the biggest research on
13:00i've done the biggest research on i've done the biggest research on acupuncture acupuncture acupuncture we did you know coordinated a we did you know coordinated a we did you know coordinated a government-funded study the largest ever government-funded study the largest ever government-funded study the largest ever government-funded study on government-funded study on government-funded study on acupuncture and emergency departments acupuncture and emergency departments acupuncture and emergency departments but that was because i was really but that was because i was really but that was because i was really curious about curious about curious about um how how eastern medicine works with um how how eastern medicine works with um how how eastern medicine works with western medicine you know western medicine you know western medicine you know how does this acupuncture system work how does this acupuncture system work how does this acupuncture system work and and can you know is it as effective and and can you know is it as effective and and can you know is it as effective and and i'm trying to demonstrate that so i've i'm trying to demonstrate that so i've i'm trying to demonstrate that so i've they're being very much curiosity led they're being very much curiosity led they're being very much curiosity led but i think all the all the research but i think all the all the research but i think all the all the research i've done i've been sort of building a i've done i've been sort of building a i've done i've been sort of building a portfolio to educate myself more than portfolio to educate myself more than portfolio to educate myself more than anything anything anything because i want to learn about all those because i want to learn about all those because i want to learn about all those things myself and um things myself and um things myself and um you know the best well one of the best you know the best well one of the best you know the best well one of the best ways to learn something is to teach it ways to learn something is to teach it ways to learn something is to teach it so you know i ended up writing this so you know i ended up writing this so you know i ended up writing this massive herbs and supplements textbook massive herbs and supplements textbook massive herbs and supplements textbook because i wanted to study and learn because i wanted to study and learn because i wanted to study and learn about nutrition and herbs and about nutrition and herbs and about nutrition and herbs and supplements and supplements and supplements and and i was invited by um my first ever and i was invited by um my first ever and i was invited by um my first ever phd student leslie braun she was a phd student leslie braun she was a phd student leslie braun she was a naturopath and a pharmacist and she naturopath and a pharmacist and she naturopath and a pharmacist and she wanted to write a textbook on herbal wanted to write a textbook on herbal wanted to write a textbook on herbal medicine medicine and i was sort of the integrative doctor and i was sort of the integrative doctor and i was sort of the integrative doctor just but just as i got my professorship just but just as i got my professorship just but just as i got my professorship in in 2002 and um she invited me to write this
14:002002 and um she invited me to write this 2002 and um she invited me to write this textbook and i said i'll write this textbook and i said i'll write this textbook and i said i'll write this textbook if you do textbook if you do textbook if you do a pa i'll supervise your phd so a pa i'll supervise your phd so a pa i'll supervise your phd so you know i supervised her doing a phd you know i supervised her doing a phd you know i supervised her doing a phd she helped me write the textbook with she helped me write the textbook with she helped me write the textbook with there and there and there and of course four years later she finished of course four years later she finished of course four years later she finished a phd and i went to the second edition a phd and i went to the second edition a phd and i went to the second edition of the textbook of the textbook of the textbook and the first edition was 400 pages the and the first edition was 400 pages the and the first edition was 400 pages the second edition was 800. the third second edition was 800. the third second edition was 800. the third edition came out it was 1200 pages and edition came out it was 1200 pages and edition came out it was 1200 pages and now we've just done the fourth edition now we've just done the fourth edition now we've just done the fourth edition of 1600 pages of 1600 pages of 1600 pages of herbs and natural supplements um of herbs and natural supplements um of herbs and natural supplements um that's been an amazing education for me that's been an amazing education for me that's been an amazing education for me and it's also given me you know it was and it's also given me you know it was and it's also given me you know it was fun to do and you know it brought some fun to do and you know it brought some fun to do and you know it brought some money and it money and it money and it created fame i've got you know good created fame i've got you know good created fame i've got you know good reputation now and made me fluent reputation now and made me fluent reputation now and made me fluent and it's brought a whole lot of and it's brought a whole lot of and it's brought a whole lot of friendships and family into you know friendships and family into you know friendships and family into you know created a community for me so it's been created a community for me so it's been created a community for me so it's been a really a really a really great thing i mean you don't make any great thing i mean you don't make any great thing i mean you don't make any money writing textbooks don't get me money writing textbooks don't get me money writing textbooks don't get me wrong it's not lucrative but wrong it's not lucrative but wrong it's not lucrative but but in terms of the knowledge and and but in terms of the knowledge and and but in terms of the knowledge and and yeah yeah yeah the networks and experiences it's given the networks and experiences it's given the networks and experiences it's given me it's been it's been wonderful and me it's been it's been wonderful and me it's been it's been wonderful and that's i'm now using all that that's i'm now using all that that's i'm now using all that knowledge from all these research knowledge from all these research knowledge from all these research programs i've done programs i've done programs i've done to now take that into industry and take to now take that into industry and take to now take that into industry and take it to entrepreneurship
15:00it to entrepreneurship it to entrepreneurship and take it to other other businesses and take it to other other businesses and take it to other other businesses amazing amazing amazing yeah you know you triggered a thought yeah you know you triggered a thought yeah you know you triggered a thought that's going left field for a minute but that's going left field for a minute but that's going left field for a minute but i got to ask you anyway to i got to ask you anyway to i got to ask you anyway to try and tap into that brainiacs because try and tap into that brainiacs because try and tap into that brainiacs because you know i've had some incredible you know i've had some incredible you know i've had some incredible scientists on my show as well and scientists on my show as well and scientists on my show as well and different physicists and quantum different physicists and quantum different physicists and quantum physicists i mean about a minute goswami physicists i mean about a minute goswami physicists i mean about a minute goswami honor i've had a nasty physicist on honor i've had a nasty physicist on honor i've had a nasty physicist on uh tom campbell bruce lipton's been on uh tom campbell bruce lipton's been on uh tom campbell bruce lipton's been on you know there's you know there's you know there's different interesting people that trust different interesting people that trust different interesting people that trust me and you spoke about the flow of me and you spoke about the flow of me and you spoke about the flow of information through the body information through the body information through the body and and i know you've touched on it with and and i know you've touched on it with and and i know you've touched on it with quantum physics even quantum physics even quantum physics even going into the realm what's your thought going into the realm what's your thought going into the realm what's your thought on the flow of information on the flow of information on the flow of information who we are at our essence in terms of who we are at our essence in terms of who we are at our essence in terms of from a spiritual perspective to a from a spiritual perspective to a from a spiritual perspective to a physical perspective physical perspective physical perspective and everything with everything that and everything with everything that and everything with everything that you've researched what what conclusions you've researched what what conclusions you've researched what what conclusions have you come to have you come to have you come to okay well that we are a divine okay well that we are a divine okay well that we are a divine manifestation of water manifestation of water manifestation of water okay that that defy defies entropy okay that that defy defies entropy okay that that defy defies entropy so we have the the second law of so we have the the second law of so we have the the second law of thermodynamics says well actually the thermodynamics says well actually the
16:00thermodynamics says well actually the first law says you first law says you first law says you imagine energy cannot be created or imagine energy cannot be created or imagine energy cannot be created or destroyed just destroyed just destroyed just transformed from one to the other and transformed from one to the other and transformed from one to the other and essentially that says the universe is essentially that says the universe is essentially that says the universe is one one one and an entropy being a break breaking and an entropy being a break breaking and an entropy being a break breaking down or entropy is disorder down or entropy is disorder down or entropy is disorder so if you sort of isolate if you have an so if you sort of isolate if you have an so if you sort of isolate if you have an isolated system isolated system isolated system you have disorder and this big question you have disorder and this big question you have disorder and this big question is the whole universe itself an isolated is the whole universe itself an isolated is the whole universe itself an isolated system or not but in terms of system or not but in terms of system or not but in terms of us to be alive you have to be an open us to be alive you have to be an open us to be alive you have to be an open system system system you have to eat and excrete you have to you have to eat and excrete you have to you have to eat and excrete you have to breathe in and inspire and expire breathe in and inspire and expire breathe in and inspire and expire so we're an open system and we defy so we're an open system and we defy so we're an open system and we defy entropy because we build up order we entropy because we build up order we entropy because we build up order we evolve and grow and learn and evolve and grow and learn and evolve and grow and learn and and um and that is actually a property and um and that is actually a property and um and that is actually a property of water that we're just of water that we're just of water that we're just beginning to understand and um i'm a big beginning to understand and um i'm a big beginning to understand and um i'm a big fan of you know the science around water fan of you know the science around water fan of you know the science around water because water itself can take because water itself can take because water itself can take low-grade background infrared radiation low-grade background infrared radiation low-grade background infrared radiation and use that to become ordered and and use that to become ordered and and use that to become ordered and you know we are structured water 99 of you know we are structured water 99 of you know we are structured water 99 of our our our molecules in our body are water
17:00molecules in our body are water molecules in our body are water molecules i think sphincter molecules i think sphincter molecules i think sphincter you said you know life is water dancing you said you know life is water dancing you said you know life is water dancing to the tune of solids to the tune of solids to the tune of solids and you know and when you think about and you know and when you think about and you know and when you think about just the language of water i mean just the language of water i mean just the language of water i mean when you to find water you divine it you when you to find water you divine it you when you to find water you divine it you know divining is the process of water know divining is the process of water know divining is the process of water water is literally a spirit water is literally a spirit water is literally a spirit so i and we actually there is literally so i and we actually there is literally so i and we actually there is literally a well in our being a well in our being a well in our being we produce our own pure biological water we produce our own pure biological water we produce our own pure biological water through through through respiration for every every glucose respiration for every every glucose respiration for every every glucose molecule you metabolize you create molecule you metabolize you create molecule you metabolize you create six molecules of water oh sorry two six molecules of water oh sorry two six molecules of water oh sorry two molecules of water so molecules of water so molecules of water so that's the basic equation of respiration that's the basic equation of respiration that's the basic equation of respiration you get glucose and you get glucose and you get glucose and and oxygen you burn that and you get and oxygen you burn that and you get and oxygen you burn that and you get water and carbon dioxide and energy water and carbon dioxide and energy water and carbon dioxide and energy so we make our own water about three to so we make our own water about three to so we make our own water about three to four hundred mils every day of our own four hundred mils every day of our own four hundred mils every day of our own biological water biological water biological water but we are the process of water becoming but we are the process of water becoming but we are the process of water becoming conscious and it's the infrastructure of conscious and it's the infrastructure of conscious and it's the infrastructure of our consciousness and our consciousness and our consciousness and water is the great connector so if you water is the great connector so if you water is the great connector so if you think about entropy is about think about entropy is about think about entropy is about isolated systems water is the thing that isolated systems water is the thing that isolated systems water is the thing that connects connects
18:00connects all of us it connects within our body um all of us it connects within our body um all of us it connects within our body um it channels energy and information but it channels energy and information but it channels energy and information but it connects all living things on earth it connects all living things on earth it connects all living things on earth water is the common element across all water is the common element across all water is the common element across all living things living things living things and you know studying wellness for all and you know studying wellness for all and you know studying wellness for all these years there's a these years there's a these years there's a sort of a truism that the currency of sort of a truism that the currency of sort of a truism that the currency of wellness is connection wellness is connection wellness is connection the more you can be connected to the more you can be connected to the more you can be connected to yourself to others and to nature the yourself to others and to nature the yourself to others and to nature the more you will be well more you will be well more you will be well and even the word well you know what is and even the word well you know what is and even the word well you know what is a well it's a source of water a well it's a source of water a well it's a source of water you know so to be well is to have this you know so to be well is to have this you know so to be well is to have this pure source of water pure source of water pure source of water you know expressing itself and then you know expressing itself and then you know expressing itself and then connecting with all the other water connecting with all the other water connecting with all the other water that's out there so you know that that's out there so you know that that's out there so you know that in terms of uh interpretation of in terms of uh interpretation of in terms of uh interpretation of sort of physics physical principles you sort of physics physical principles you sort of physics physical principles you know know that the information that flows through that the information that flows through that the information that flows through our body our body our body needs to be an open system and that's needs to be an open system and that's needs to be an open system and that's essentially essentially essentially a very crude summary of chinese medicine a very crude summary of chinese medicine a very crude summary of chinese medicine where you have the flow of chi where you have the flow of chi where you have the flow of chi through the body and if the flow of chi through the body and if the flow of chi through the body and if the flow of chi is blocked you have is blocked you have is blocked you have disorder you have disease and you know
19:00disorder you have disease and you know disorder you have disease and you know treatments like acupuncture a lot of treatments like acupuncture a lot of treatments like acupuncture a lot of body work trying to remove those body work trying to remove those body work trying to remove those blockages to have that the free flow of blockages to have that the free flow of blockages to have that the free flow of chi once the chi chi once the chi chi once the chi is free-flowing well then you have is free-flowing well then you have is free-flowing well then you have health health health and you know when i was and you know when i was and you know when i was you know studying medicine and i went you know studying medicine and i went you know studying medicine and i went and did a phd in chinese medicine i came and did a phd in chinese medicine i came and did a phd in chinese medicine i came across all these terms like chi across all these terms like chi across all these terms like chi and yin and yang and tao and realize and yin and yang and tao and realize and yin and yang and tao and realize that there's a whole that there's a whole that there's a whole system of chinese medicine that makes a system of chinese medicine that makes a system of chinese medicine that makes a lot of sense i mean half lot of sense i mean half lot of sense i mean half nearly a third of the world was using nearly a third of the world was using nearly a third of the world was using chinese medicine and um chinese medicine and um chinese medicine and um has a long history and it's effective has a long history and it's effective has a long history and it's effective but it was in chinese these these but it was in chinese these these but it was in chinese these these concepts aren't necessarily translated concepts aren't necessarily translated concepts aren't necessarily translated into western scientific terms into western scientific terms into western scientific terms so i actually devoted um you know time so i actually devoted um you know time so i actually devoted um you know time and did a phd and did a phd and did a phd trying to um be a bridge between these trying to um be a bridge between these trying to um be a bridge between these two systems two systems two systems and it was the language of information and it was the language of information and it was the language of information and information theory and information theory and information theory that was actually able to be that bridge that was actually able to be that bridge that was actually able to be that bridge so you can see as chi is a type of so you can see as chi is a type of so you can see as chi is a type of information information information and the information flows through our and the information flows through our and the information flows through our bodies not just for our nerves but bodies not just for our nerves but bodies not just for our nerves but through the physical structure the
20:00through the physical structure the through the physical structure the tensile forces in our body tensile forces in our body tensile forces in our body and the fascia and the lymphatics and and the fascia and the lymphatics and and the fascia and the lymphatics and the hormones the hormones the hormones and the the um and the water that's and the the um and the water that's and the the um and the water that's flowing through us both in our blood and flowing through us both in our blood and flowing through us both in our blood and in our lymph and spinal fluid and sine in our lymph and spinal fluid and sine in our lymph and spinal fluid and sine over your fluid etc over your fluid etc over your fluid etc so there's it's incredible we're an so there's it's incredible we're an so there's it's incredible we're an incredible information incredible information incredible information network communication network and um network communication network and um network communication network and um that's why i ended up doing a phd in that's why i ended up doing a phd in that's why i ended up doing a phd in electrical computer systems engineering electrical computer systems engineering electrical computer systems engineering is because the people who study is because the people who study is because the people who study communication networks are computer communication networks are computer communication networks are computer systems engineers not doctors systems engineers not doctors systems engineers not doctors and it's sort of bizarre that in and it's sort of bizarre that in and it's sort of bizarre that in medicine we don't really use the medicine we don't really use the medicine we don't really use the the concept of entropy in medicine the concept of entropy in medicine the concept of entropy in medicine whereas entropy really defines whereas entropy really defines whereas entropy really defines disease and disorder and it defines you disease and disorder and it defines you disease and disorder and it defines you know how that happens and know how that happens and know how that happens and and how you can overcome it but it's um and how you can overcome it but it's um and how you can overcome it but it's um you know it's one of the first you know it's one of the first you know it's one of the first principles principles principles that we sort of neglect that and then that we sort of neglect that and then that we sort of neglect that and then just you know um just you know um just you know um sort of treat the symptoms and very sort of treat the symptoms and very sort of treat the symptoms and very rarely go down to you know where is the rarely go down to you know where is the rarely go down to you know where is the energy being blocked and energy being blocked and energy being blocked and we sort of know that you know if you we sort of know that you know if you we sort of know that you know if you block a coronary artery or you block an block a coronary artery or you block an block a coronary artery or you block an intestine or you block a blood vessel
21:00intestine or you block a blood vessel intestine or you block a blood vessel you know you have you know you have you know you have disease or you know that's the source of disease or you know that's the source of disease or you know that's the source of disease or you block an disease or you block an disease or you block an enzyme pathway um you have metabolic enzyme pathway um you have metabolic enzyme pathway um you have metabolic diseases or if you block emotional diseases or if you block emotional diseases or if you block emotional expression if your if your ability to expression if your if your ability to expression if your if your ability to express yourself is inhibited express yourself is inhibited express yourself is inhibited you become disordered your expression you become disordered your expression you become disordered your expression can become disordered can become disordered can become disordered if your thought processes become if your thought processes become if your thought processes become contained contained contained you know you become fanatical and you you know you become fanatical and you you know you become fanatical and you know your thought processes become know your thought processes become know your thought processes become disordered so that the language of disordered so that the language of disordered so that the language of disorder and blockages actually disorder and blockages actually disorder and blockages actually translates across multiple levels you translates across multiple levels you translates across multiple levels you know the macrocosm and the microcosm know the macrocosm and the microcosm know the macrocosm and the microcosm and across all these different and across all these different and across all these different disciplines and um disciplines and um disciplines and um i think we could we could do a get a i think we could we could do a get a i think we could we could do a get a greater greater greater a lot more understanding across a lot more understanding across a lot more understanding across disciplines if we use some of these disciplines if we use some of these disciplines if we use some of these first first first principles to actually bridge these principles to actually bridge these principles to actually bridge these disciplines and that's you know what disciplines and that's you know what disciplines and that's you know what i've attempted to do and i've attempted to do and i've attempted to do and throughout my career yeah wow wow throughout my career yeah wow wow throughout my career yeah wow wow so how do we bring then so how do we bring then so how do we bring then more order into the body like what have more order into the body like what have more order into the body like what have you learned how do you just you learned how do you just you learned how do you just distill it down into everyday life for
22:00distill it down into everyday life for distill it down into everyday life for for wellness health vitality for wellness health vitality for wellness health vitality yeah great question and i've been yeah great question and i've been yeah great question and i've been thinking about this a lot lately and thinking about this a lot lately and thinking about this a lot lately and it's it's it's and funnily enough because you know i've and funnily enough because you know i've and funnily enough because you know i've studied chinese medicine and western studied chinese medicine and western studied chinese medicine and western medicine and i've been trying to distill medicine and i've been trying to distill medicine and i've been trying to distill this knowledge down to make it this knowledge down to make it this knowledge down to make it accessible accessible accessible and i've written lots of scientific and i've written lots of scientific and i've written lots of scientific papers and textbooks but lately i've papers and textbooks but lately i've papers and textbooks but lately i've been writing about it's been coming out been writing about it's been coming out been writing about it's been coming out as poetry as poetry as poetry so when you ask me about wellness i've so when you ask me about wellness i've so when you ask me about wellness i've written this poem it's called the recipe written this poem it's called the recipe written this poem it's called the recipe for wellness for wellness for wellness and it's super simple so and so the and it's super simple so and so the and it's super simple so and so the recipe for wellness is recipe for wellness is recipe for wellness is bathe in beautiful water prepare bathe in beautiful water prepare bathe in beautiful water prepare delicious food delicious food delicious food make the most of every breath dance make the most of every breath dance make the most of every breath dance through every mood temp the soil beneath through every mood temp the soil beneath through every mood temp the soil beneath your feet your feet your feet embrace sunshine from above share your embrace sunshine from above share your embrace sunshine from above share your gifts with gifts with gifts with all the world and fill your life with all the world and fill your life with all the world and fill your life with love it's simple you know what to be well it's simple you know what to be well it's simple it's it's about connection it's simple it's it's about connection it's simple it's it's about connection so you connect with you know water with so you connect with you know water with so you connect with you know water with your breath with your breath with
23:00your breath with food with other people and with your own food with other people and with your own food with other people and with your own gifts and expressing yourself so gifts and expressing yourself so gifts and expressing yourself so being open opening up yourself to being open opening up yourself to being open opening up yourself to express yourself to the world is part of express yourself to the world is part of express yourself to the world is part of being well being well being well and i'm really challenged at the moment and i'm really challenged at the moment and i'm really challenged at the moment where a lot of government policies are where a lot of government policies are where a lot of government policies are about about about shutting down they're about isolation shutting down they're about isolation shutting down they're about isolation and quarantining and masking and and quarantining and masking and and quarantining and masking and and you know disconnecting social and you know disconnecting social and you know disconnecting social disconnection and that's disconnection and that's disconnection and that's that's the antithesis of wellness i was that's the antithesis of wellness i was that's the antithesis of wellness i was going to say everything that you spoke going to say everything that you spoke going to say everything that you spoke of of in your poem i'm not hearing by the in your poem i'm not hearing by the in your poem i'm not hearing by the government or the media right now government or the media right now government or the media right now yeah well that's well i mean it's not in yeah well that's well i mean it's not in yeah well that's well i mean it's not in the government's interest to have the government's interest to have the government's interest to have happy healthy people unfortunately happy healthy people unfortunately happy healthy people unfortunately and um yeah so we're living in in really and um yeah so we're living in in really and um yeah so we're living in in really troubling times that um troubling times that um troubling times that um and i mean i've spent my whole career and i mean i've spent my whole career and i mean i've spent my whole career walking that titrate between alternative walking that titrate between alternative walking that titrate between alternative and conventional medicine and conventional medicine and conventional medicine and you know there is a lot of and you know there is a lot of and you know there is a lot of opposition to alternative medicine opposition to alternative medicine opposition to alternative medicine um you know there's a whole industry um you know there's a whole industry um you know there's a whole industry that wants to suppress our that wants to suppress our that wants to suppress our innate ability to be healthy because innate ability to be healthy because innate ability to be healthy because they want to sell us health
24:00they want to sell us health they want to sell us health in a pill and you know in a pill and you know in a pill and you know it's it's um yeah there are forces there it's it's um yeah there are forces there it's it's um yeah there are forces there that don't want us to actually embrace that don't want us to actually embrace that don't want us to actually embrace our own our own our own you know well-being but um someone once you know well-being but um someone once you know well-being but um someone once said to me that said to me that said to me that a kite flies highest when when it has a a kite flies highest when when it has a a kite flies highest when when it has a strong wind against it strong wind against it strong wind against it so it's these forces against us that so it's these forces against us that so it's these forces against us that actually help can help lift us higher actually help can help lift us higher actually help can help lift us higher and that's sort of that interpretation and that's sort of that interpretation and that's sort of that interpretation you know so someone's pushing against you know so someone's pushing against you know so someone's pushing against you while the the pro you while the the pro you while the the pro the paranoid version was oh poor me the paranoid version was oh poor me the paranoid version was oh poor me they're fighting me they're more they're fighting me they're more they're fighting me they're more powerful than me you know i have to powerful than me you know i have to powerful than me you know i have to collapse and die collapse and die collapse and die or the pronoya version would be oh wow or the pronoya version would be oh wow or the pronoya version would be oh wow this is a you know this is for my this is a you know this is for my this is a you know this is for my benefit they're fighting me and they're benefit they're fighting me and they're benefit they're fighting me and they're opposing me opposing me opposing me to lift me higher and make me stronger to lift me higher and make me stronger to lift me higher and make me stronger and and and and and and get my allies together and make me more get my allies together and make me more get my allies together and make me more conscious and help other people wake up conscious and help other people wake up conscious and help other people wake up around me around me around me so you know you can interpret it either so you know you can interpret it either so you know you can interpret it either way and it's way and it's way and it's when you know you have the choice to when you know you have the choice to when you know you have the choice to interpret a situation like this interpret a situation like this interpret a situation like this it actually is really empowering yeah it actually is really empowering yeah it actually is really empowering yeah yeah i love it perfect answer yeah i love it perfect answer yeah i love it perfect answer absolutely i i'm fascinated this is for
25:00absolutely i i'm fascinated this is for absolutely i i'm fascinated this is for my own selfish interest now this next my own selfish interest now this next my own selfish interest now this next question but hey it's question but hey it's question but hey it's podcast and i've gone so everyone listen podcast and i've gone so everyone listen podcast and i've gone so everyone listen i apologize but hopefully i apologize but hopefully i apologize but hopefully it'll be interesting in general this is it'll be interesting in general this is it'll be interesting in general this is you've done a lot of work and research you've done a lot of work and research you've done a lot of work and research on on on hot and cold therapy especially when hot and cold therapy especially when hot and cold therapy especially when alternating alternating alternating can you speak to a little bit about that can you speak to a little bit about that can you speak to a little bit about that and and in terms of and and in terms of and and in terms of application and what you find a good application and what you find a good application and what you find a good results and results and results and and how actually we benefit from it as and how actually we benefit from it as and how actually we benefit from it as well well well sure well um well well if you think sure well um well well if you think sure well um well well if you think about you know water about you know water about you know water i mean the only reason why we're alive i mean the only reason why we're alive i mean the only reason why we're alive on earth is the earth is in the on earth is the earth is in the on earth is the earth is in the goldilocks zone in between goldilocks zone in between goldilocks zone in between you know where it's not too hot and not you know where it's not too hot and not you know where it's not too hot and not too cold and water can exist in the too cold and water can exist in the too cold and water can exist in the liquid state and liquid state and liquid state and all life exists in the very narrow all life exists in the very narrow all life exists in the very narrow temperature window temperature window temperature window so all life has to cope with extremes of so all life has to cope with extremes of so all life has to cope with extremes of temperature both hot and cold temperature both hot and cold temperature both hot and cold and in fact there's another story but and in fact there's another story but and in fact there's another story but you know the water on earth actually was you know the water on earth actually was you know the water on earth actually was the mixture of the hottest water and the the mixture of the hottest water and the the mixture of the hottest water and the coldest water in the solar system and coldest water in the solar system and coldest water in the solar system and then life then life then life appeared on earth at where the hottest appeared on earth at where the hottest appeared on earth at where the hottest water on water on water on on earth met the coldest water on earth
26:00on earth met the coldest water on earth on earth met the coldest water on earth which is at the very bottom of the which is at the very bottom of the which is at the very bottom of the oceans oceans oceans uh where the dance's coldest water sinks uh where the dance's coldest water sinks uh where the dance's coldest water sinks to the bottom of the oceans to the bottom of the oceans to the bottom of the oceans and it meets hot water coming out of and it meets hot water coming out of and it meets hot water coming out of hydrothermal vents it's been heated up hydrothermal vents it's been heated up hydrothermal vents it's been heated up inside the earth and it's latent with inside the earth and it's latent with inside the earth and it's latent with ore ore ore so that and you have this incredible so that and you have this incredible so that and you have this incredible mixture of pressure and temperature and mixture of pressure and temperature and mixture of pressure and temperature and solutes and that's where life originated solutes and that's where life originated solutes and that's where life originated at this interface of hot and cold at this interface of hot and cold at this interface of hot and cold and for ourselves when you um and for ourselves when you um and for ourselves when you um are exposed to it to extremes of hot and are exposed to it to extremes of hot and are exposed to it to extremes of hot and cold you can cold you can cold you can very easily put yourself in a life and very easily put yourself in a life and very easily put yourself in a life and death situation death situation death situation because you know either hot and cold are because you know either hot and cold are because you know either hot and cold are life-threatening life-threatening life-threatening but you can do it in a very controlled but you can do it in a very controlled but you can do it in a very controlled way way way and you can do it to explore the edge of and you can do it to explore the edge of and you can do it to explore the edge of your comfort zone and i've come up with your comfort zone and i've come up with your comfort zone and i've come up with a whole a whole a whole methodology and theory around what i methodology and theory around what i methodology and theory around what i call extreme wellness call extreme wellness call extreme wellness and that involves you expanding your and that involves you expanding your and that involves you expanding your dynamic range and just dynamic range and just dynamic range and just visiting the edge of your comfort zone visiting the edge of your comfort zone visiting the edge of your comfort zone so it's not pushing it it's not going to so it's not pushing it it's not going to so it's not pushing it it's not going to try to try to try to you know force it to expand but if you you know force it to expand but if you you know force it to expand but if you just visit the edge of your comfort zone just visit the edge of your comfort zone just visit the edge of your comfort zone and you can do it not just in terms of and you can do it not just in terms of and you can do it not just in terms of heat you can do it in terms of
27:00heat you can do it in terms of heat you can do it in terms of water and glucose and oxygen and water and glucose and oxygen and water and glucose and oxygen and temperature and carbon dioxide temperature and carbon dioxide temperature and carbon dioxide and you have a system where you you and you have a system where you you and you have a system where you you filter and flush your bladder and feast filter and flush your bladder and feast filter and flush your bladder and feast and fast your bowel and and fast your bowel and and fast your bowel and pants and hold your breath and do hot pants and hold your breath and do hot pants and hold your breath and do hot and cold with your body and cold with your body and cold with your body and do everything in flow and then don't and do everything in flow and then don't and do everything in flow and then don't do anything at all with your brain do anything at all with your brain do anything at all with your brain but when we're talking about temperature but when we're talking about temperature but when we're talking about temperature um temperature has um um temperature has um um temperature has um it's been one of the uh the it's been one of the uh the it's been one of the uh the the most basic defense for immunity the most basic defense for immunity the most basic defense for immunity so actually at the start of the pandemic so actually at the start of the pandemic so actually at the start of the pandemic i was writing about this i was writing about this i was writing about this saying how you can actually improve your saying how you can actually improve your saying how you can actually improve your immunity by just having a hot bath or a immunity by just having a hot bath or a immunity by just having a hot bath or a sauna sauna sauna and or a hot shower and raising your and or a hot shower and raising your and or a hot shower and raising your body temperature body temperature body temperature and when you raise your body temperature and when you raise your body temperature and when you raise your body temperature your immune system becomes more active your immune system becomes more active your immune system becomes more active your immune cells become more fluid the your immune cells become more fluid the your immune cells become more fluid the antigens get prevented better antigens get prevented better antigens get prevented better there's a whole heat shock proteins get there's a whole heat shock proteins get there's a whole heat shock proteins get released there's all these biochemical released there's all these biochemical released there's all these biochemical and mitochondrial responses and immune
28:00and mitochondrial responses and immune and mitochondrial responses and immune and physiological responses and physiological responses and physiological responses that actually boost your immunity and if that actually boost your immunity and if that actually boost your immunity and if you look at you look at you look at evolutionary history for the last 600 evolutionary history for the last 600 evolutionary history for the last 600 million years million years million years every fish insect bird reptile and every fish insect bird reptile and every fish insect bird reptile and mammal mammal mammal has raised their body temperature when has raised their body temperature when has raised their body temperature when they have a viral infection they have a viral infection they have a viral infection that's the basic response and it's that's the basic response and it's that's the basic response and it's almost like as humans almost like as humans almost like as humans we live in this temperature window we live in this temperature window we live in this temperature window between viruses and mold between viruses and mold between viruses and mold when it's cold and dry we're susceptible when it's cold and dry we're susceptible when it's cold and dry we're susceptible to viruses when it's hot and to viruses when it's hot and to viruses when it's hot and and humid and moist we're susceptible to and humid and moist we're susceptible to and humid and moist we're susceptible to mold mold mold and we live in this sort of temperature and we live in this sort of temperature and we live in this sort of temperature window in between those two and that's window in between those two and that's window in between those two and that's why why why we get viruses you know in in the in the we get viruses you know in in the in the we get viruses you know in in the in the flu season when it's cold and dry and flu season when it's cold and dry and flu season when it's cold and dry and the air is cold and dryness the air is cold and dryness the air is cold and dryness our nose chills out and viruses can our nose chills out and viruses can our nose chills out and viruses can enter enter enter but ever since humans went to the first but ever since humans went to the first but ever since humans went to the first hot spring hot spring hot spring and you know developed sweat lodges and and you know developed sweat lodges and and you know developed sweat lodges and swarners and steam rooms swarners and steam rooms swarners and steam rooms and they've outsourced the ability to and they've outsourced the ability to and they've outsourced the ability to raise their body temperature raise their body temperature raise their body temperature to the environment i mean you do it when to the environment i mean you do it when to the environment i mean you do it when you have a fever you know
29:00you have a fever you know you have a fever you know mammals and humans have when we have a mammals and humans have when we have a mammals and humans have when we have a fever that raises our body temperature fever that raises our body temperature fever that raises our body temperature but it's exhausting i mean to use your but it's exhausting i mean to use your but it's exhausting i mean to use your own metabolic energy to raise your own metabolic energy to raise your own metabolic energy to raise your temperature it's really tiring but you temperature it's really tiring but you temperature it's really tiring but you can outsource that to can outsource that to can outsource that to your hot water system or the sauna your hot water system or the sauna your hot water system or the sauna heater or you know heater or you know heater or you know um you can actually do it and be quite um you can actually do it and be quite um you can actually do it and be quite relaxed mind you relaxed mind you relaxed mind you when you do that and i've done a lot of when you do that and i've done a lot of when you do that and i've done a lot of research one of my phd students was just research one of my phd students was just research one of my phd students was just finishing finishing finishing um her her five-year research on um her her five-year research on um her her five-year research on saundering saundering saundering and what we found was that across the and what we found was that across the and what we found was that across the board when people use saunas especially board when people use saunas especially board when people use saunas especially they sleep better it makes you tired and they sleep better it makes you tired and they sleep better it makes you tired and you actually sleep better and when you you actually sleep better and when you you actually sleep better and when you sleep better when you get the basic sleep better when you get the basic sleep better when you get the basic things right things right things right everything else becomes right by itself everything else becomes right by itself everything else becomes right by itself yeah yeah so heat is such a a primeval force so heat is such a a primeval force so heat is such a a primeval force but we can use it to manipulate our body but we can use it to manipulate our body but we can use it to manipulate our body and our emotions and our mind and our emotions and our mind and our emotions and our mind so when you go when you're in a very hot so when you go when you're in a very hot so when you go when you're in a very hot environment in a hot bath or a sauna environment in a hot bath or a sauna environment in a hot bath or a sauna you vasodilate you open up there's a you vasodilate you open up there's a you vasodilate you open up there's a hundred thousand kilometers of blood
30:00hundred thousand kilometers of blood hundred thousand kilometers of blood vessels vessels vessels all lined by smooth muscles that are all lined by smooth muscles that are all lined by smooth muscles that are normally not under your voluntary normally not under your voluntary normally not under your voluntary control control control but when you're when you're in a hot but when you're when you're in a hot but when you're when you're in a hot bath or a sauna bath or a sauna bath or a sauna those blood vessels will open up and those blood vessels will open up and those blood vessels will open up and you'll circulate you'll circulate you'll circulate blood through your periphery which um blood through your periphery which um blood through your periphery which um normally it would circulate when you're normally it would circulate when you're normally it would circulate when you're exercising but when you're exercising exercising but when you're exercising exercising but when you're exercising you're making you're making you're making metabolic waste products whereas in your metabolic waste products whereas in your metabolic waste products whereas in your hot dog in the sauna you're getting the hot dog in the sauna you're getting the hot dog in the sauna you're getting the blood flowing through your muscles and blood flowing through your muscles and blood flowing through your muscles and your skin your skin your skin without making metabolic waste products without making metabolic waste products without making metabolic waste products so it's picking up those metabolic waste so it's picking up those metabolic waste so it's picking up those metabolic waste products products products and it's opening your blood vessels and and it's opening your blood vessels and and it's opening your blood vessels and then when you alternate that with the then when you alternate that with the then when you alternate that with the cold cold cold then your blood vessels shut down it's then your blood vessels shut down it's then your blood vessels shut down it's like a bicep curl for your vascular like a bicep curl for your vascular like a bicep curl for your vascular system system every time you do that you know your every time you do that you know your every time you do that you know your vascular system is you know tightening vascular system is you know tightening vascular system is you know tightening up up up and what that does it brings that that and what that does it brings that that and what that does it brings that that blood that warm blood blood that warm blood blood that warm blood into your internal organs into your core into your internal organs into your core into your internal organs into your core and it pushes it through your liver and and it pushes it through your liver and and it pushes it through your liver and your kidneys your kidneys your kidneys which then filters out all those which then filters out all those which then filters out all those metabolic waste products metabolic waste products metabolic waste products and provided you're not dehydrated and and provided you're not dehydrated and and provided you're not dehydrated and you're drinking good water and it you're drinking good water and it you're drinking good water and it allows you to flush out a lot of these allows you to flush out a lot of these allows you to flush out a lot of these um toxic metabolites and you actually
31:00um toxic metabolites and you actually um toxic metabolites and you actually detoxify detoxify detoxify through that process of going from hot through that process of going from hot through that process of going from hot to cold but it's also to cold but it's also to cold but it's also um there's a lot of other things that go um there's a lot of other things that go um there's a lot of other things that go on um on um on um so when you when you're in the heat um so when you when you're in the heat um so when you when you're in the heat um you know it's very relaxing you know it's very relaxing you know it's very relaxing um it's often very social you know um it's often very social you know um it's often very social you know soaring or bathing if you're in a hot soaring or bathing if you're in a hot soaring or bathing if you're in a hot tub with other people tub with other people tub with other people um and then when you go in the cold um and then when you go in the cold um and then when you go in the cold especially if you're going to extreme especially if you're going to extreme especially if you're going to extreme cold like an ice bath cold like an ice bath cold like an ice bath it's very confronting and it's it's it it's very confronting and it's it's it it's very confronting and it's it's it actually reproduces the the body actually reproduces the the body actually reproduces the the body chemistry and the breathing pattern of chemistry and the breathing pattern of chemistry and the breathing pattern of trauma or anxiety if you go into a nice trauma or anxiety if you go into a nice trauma or anxiety if you go into a nice path path you start to hyperventilate and and it's you start to hyperventilate and and it's you start to hyperventilate and and it's like you're having a panic attack like you're having a panic attack like you're having a panic attack and some people who may have had ptsd or and some people who may have had ptsd or and some people who may have had ptsd or some past trauma some past trauma some past trauma if they go into an ice bath they can if they go into an ice bath they can if they go into an ice bath they can actually reproduce actually reproduce actually reproduce and and re um ignite that that past and and re um ignite that that past and and re um ignite that that past trauma and trauma and trauma and it can be quite mildly traumatic for it can be quite mildly traumatic for it can be quite mildly traumatic for them you've got to be a bit careful them you've got to be a bit careful them you've got to be a bit careful but what it does do it allows them to but what it does do it allows them to but what it does do it allows them to relive that past trauma relive that past trauma relive that past trauma in a very controlled way so because you
32:00in a very controlled way so because you in a very controlled way so because you know know they can get out anytime they want and they can get out anytime they want and they can get out anytime they want and if there's a source of heat they can if there's a source of heat they can if there's a source of heat they can just warm up so they're not in a just warm up so they're not in a just warm up so they're not in a life-threatening situation life-threatening situation life-threatening situation but if they're hyperventilating and it but if they're hyperventilating and it but if they're hyperventilating and it gives them an opportunity to then gives them an opportunity to then gives them an opportunity to then consciously control their breath and consciously control their breath and consciously control their breath and when you consciously control when you consciously control when you consciously control your breath it allows you to become your breath it allows you to become your breath it allows you to become relaxed in an otherwise uncomfortable relaxed in an otherwise uncomfortable relaxed in an otherwise uncomfortable situation situation situation and then that gives you power over that and then that gives you power over that and then that gives you power over that uncomfortable situation uncomfortable situation uncomfortable situation so that's a really valuable technique so that's a really valuable technique so that's a really valuable technique for people to learn and for people to learn and for people to learn and i've got another poem i can share which i've got another poem i can share which i've got another poem i can share which i came up with when i was i came up with when i was i came up with when i was coaching people through ice bathing and coaching people through ice bathing and coaching people through ice bathing and um um um and i was trying to work out all the and i was trying to work out all the and i was trying to work out all the things that would turn on the things that would turn on the things that would turn on the parasympathetic response parasympathetic response parasympathetic response because when you go into an ice ice bath because when you go into an ice ice bath because when you go into an ice ice bath you turn on the sympathetic nervous you turn on the sympathetic nervous you turn on the sympathetic nervous system response which is fight and system response which is fight and system response which is fight and flight flight flight so fight and flight means all your so fight and flight means all your so fight and flight means all your tensions outwards it's like you're tensions outwards it's like you're tensions outwards it's like you're trying to fight you know fight in a trying to fight you know fight in a trying to fight you know fight in a battle or run for your life from a tiger battle or run for your life from a tiger battle or run for your life from a tiger or something or something or something so all your muscles get pumped up your so all your muscles get pumped up your so all your muscles get pumped up your fists are cleansed your eyes are open fists are cleansed your eyes are open fists are cleansed your eyes are open you're breathing hard you've got purse you're breathing hard you've got purse you're breathing hard you've got purse slips slips slips so the things you do when you're um
33:00so the things you do when you're um so the things you do when you're um relaxing parasympathetic responses are relaxing parasympathetic responses are relaxing parasympathetic responses are the things you do when you're safe in the things you do when you're safe in the things you do when you're safe in your cave your cave your cave things like eating using fine finger things like eating using fine finger things like eating using fine finger movements you know writing drawing movements you know writing drawing movements you know writing drawing fix sewing um flirting sleeping fix sewing um flirting sleeping fix sewing um flirting sleeping um so they're the things you do with the um so they're the things you do with the um so they're the things you do with the parasympathetic nervous system response parasympathetic nervous system response parasympathetic nervous system response and there are 10 and there are 10 and there are 10 physical actions you can do to stimulate physical actions you can do to stimulate physical actions you can do to stimulate or simulate those responses and i call or simulate those responses and i call or simulate those responses and i call them the 10 them the 10 them the 10 hacks to relax and they are hacks to relax and they are hacks to relax and they are touch all your fingers wiggle your toes touch all your fingers wiggle your toes touch all your fingers wiggle your toes soften your stomach breathe through your soften your stomach breathe through your soften your stomach breathe through your nose nose nose sigh smile swallow sigh smile swallow sigh smile swallow sing flutter your eyelids sing flutter your eyelids sing flutter your eyelids and focus within so those activities and focus within so those activities and focus within so those activities stimulate parasympathetic response if stimulate parasympathetic response if stimulate parasympathetic response if you do that in a nice bath you do that in a nice bath you do that in a nice bath you it'll tell you that you're calm and you it'll tell you that you're calm and you it'll tell you that you're calm and relaxed you'll convince your body your relaxed you'll convince your body your relaxed you'll convince your body your calm and relaxed calm and relaxed calm and relaxed but it actually works any time you're but it actually works any time you're but it actually works any time you're scared upset scared upset scared upset in pain or anxious if you do those
34:00in pain or anxious if you do those in pain or anxious if you do those activities activities activities it'll calm your body down and i really it'll calm your body down and i really it'll calm your body down and i really like activities that like activities that like activities that get to your mind through your body get to your mind through your body get to your mind through your body because it's hard it's often hard you because it's hard it's often hard you because it's hard it's often hard you know i'm panicking i know i'm panicking know i'm panicking i know i'm panicking know i'm panicking i know i'm panicking but how do i think my way out of a panic but how do i think my way out of a panic but how do i think my way out of a panic that's hard that's hard that's hard but if you know okay i can just do these but if you know okay i can just do these but if you know okay i can just do these physical activities wiggle my toes and physical activities wiggle my toes and physical activities wiggle my toes and touch my fingers and and a lot of those touch my fingers and and a lot of those touch my fingers and and a lot of those activities you'll notice activities you'll notice activities you'll notice are controlling the breath you know are controlling the breath you know are controlling the breath you know softening your stomach breathing through softening your stomach breathing through softening your stomach breathing through the nose spying the nose spying the nose spying singing smiling that they're all really singing smiling that they're all really singing smiling that they're all really controlling the breath so the breath is controlling the breath so the breath is controlling the breath so the breath is really the portal really the portal really the portal to link the mind and the body and if you to link the mind and the body and if you to link the mind and the body and if you can can can take control of your breath you've won take control of your breath you've won take control of your breath you've won the battle over anxiety the battle over anxiety the battle over anxiety yeah it's massive do you know or have yeah it's massive do you know or have yeah it's massive do you know or have you done any study on you done any study on you done any study on cold exposure and the immune system so cold exposure and the immune system so cold exposure and the immune system so if you were to if you were to if you were to just ice bath for two minutes and come just ice bath for two minutes and come just ice bath for two minutes and come out and push the out and push the out and push the sympathetic parasympathetic system sympathetic parasympathetic system sympathetic parasympathetic system afterwards as well would you afterwards as well would you afterwards as well would you does that affect the immune system as does that affect the immune system as does that affect the immune system as well like the heart therapy well like the heart therapy well like the heart therapy well i think they're linked and in the
35:00well i think they're linked and in the well i think they're linked and in the literature they're not literature they're not literature they're not linked very well and i think there's a linked very well and i think there's a linked very well and i think there's a big critique of big critique of big critique of of the scientific literature at the of the scientific literature at the of the scientific literature at the moment right so for example there's a moment right so for example there's a moment right so for example there's a lot of sauna research that comes out of lot of sauna research that comes out of lot of sauna research that comes out of finland finland finland and they they describe how when you have and they they describe how when you have and they they describe how when you have a you know they've studied you know big a you know they've studied you know big a you know they've studied you know big cohorts of men over you know over cohorts of men over you know over cohorts of men over you know over multiple 20 year periods and found that multiple 20 year periods and found that multiple 20 year periods and found that you know regular soil baiting reduces you know regular soil baiting reduces you know regular soil baiting reduces or caused mortality less chance of dying or caused mortality less chance of dying or caused mortality less chance of dying overall overall overall which is heart attack and stroke and which is heart attack and stroke and which is heart attack and stroke and alzheimer's disease and respiratory alzheimer's disease and respiratory alzheimer's disease and respiratory infections and pneumonia infections and pneumonia infections and pneumonia and and all these things that are helped and and all these things that are helped and and all these things that are helped and they talk about this in the and they talk about this in the and they talk about this in the literature literature literature and if you think about sauna sauna it's and if you think about sauna sauna it's and if you think about sauna sauna it's the only finnish word in the only finnish word in the only finnish word in english language that's you know that's english language that's you know that's english language that's you know that's become part of english language and become part of english language and become part of english language and you know saul is a now part of every you know saul is a now part of every you know saul is a now part of every five star hotel in every gym has a sauna five star hotel in every gym has a sauna five star hotel in every gym has a sauna but very few of them have an equivalent but very few of them have an equivalent but very few of them have an equivalent cold experience cold experience cold experience and in the literature they talk about and in the literature they talk about and in the literature they talk about soiling and especially in finland soiling and especially in finland soiling and especially in finland it's taken for granted in finland that it's taken for granted in finland that it's taken for granted in finland that when you have a sauna you go outside and when you have a sauna you go outside and when you have a sauna you go outside and you have a cold you have a cold you have a cold cold exposure because you know it's so cold exposure because you know it's so cold exposure because you know it's so cold outside cold outside cold outside but they actually don't talk about that
36:00but they actually don't talk about that but they actually don't talk about that in the literature i mean it's taken for in the literature i mean it's taken for in the literature i mean it's taken for granted so much they don't even mention granted so much they don't even mention granted so much they don't even mention it it so when we often think about soldering so when we often think about soldering so when we often think about soldering we don't take the whole cultural we don't take the whole cultural we don't take the whole cultural practice practice practice you know as it's done in scandinavia you know as it's done in scandinavia you know as it's done in scandinavia where you go outside and jump in the where you go outside and jump in the where you go outside and jump in the lake or roll in the snow lake or roll in the snow lake or roll in the snow and then go in and out and have a few and then go in and out and have a few and then go in and out and have a few rounds we just think about the heat rounds we just think about the heat rounds we just think about the heat but i think the hot the hot and the cold but i think the hot the hot and the cold but i think the hot the hot and the cold go really well together go really well together go really well together and it's really good to bring them and it's really good to bring them and it's really good to bring them together but then it's also together but then it's also together but then it's also just as important to have a period of just as important to have a period of just as important to have a period of re-equilibration and integration re-equilibration and integration re-equilibration and integration where you're just resting and then going where you're just resting and then going where you're just resting and then going to homeostasis to homeostasis to homeostasis so you go to the hot you go to the cold so you go to the hot you go to the cold so you go to the hot you go to the cold and then you let your body find the and then you let your body find the and then you let your body find the balance and at that balance point in balance and at that balance point in balance and at that balance point in that that middle point there's that bliss of pure middle point there's that bliss of pure middle point there's that bliss of pure homeostasis where you're not too hot and homeostasis where you're not too hot and homeostasis where you're not too hot and you're not too cold you're just right you're not too cold you're just right you're not too cold you're just right just like the whole planet just like the whole planet just like the whole planet you know it's not too hot don't you call you know it's not too hot don't you call you know it's not too hot don't you call just right for water well you can make just right for water well you can make just right for water well you can make that temperature just right for you that temperature just right for you that temperature just right for you and so i think whenever you're doing hot and so i think whenever you're doing hot and so i think whenever you're doing hot and cold it's really important and cold it's really important and cold it's really important to have it at least equal period just
37:00to have it at least equal period just to have it at least equal period just resting resting resting yeah really it's a good metaphor to reap yeah really it's a good metaphor to reap yeah really it's a good metaphor to reap the rewards of the the rewards of the the rewards of the hard work you've just done from sitting hard work you've just done from sitting hard work you've just done from sitting in the sauna yeah in the sauna yeah in the sauna yeah and although it shouldn't be hard work and although it shouldn't be hard work and although it shouldn't be hard work um i talk about um i talk about um i talk about trying to go to the point of forced trying to go to the point of forced trying to go to the point of forced mindfulness or mindfulness or mindfulness or being comfortably uncomfortable so being comfortably uncomfortable so being comfortably uncomfortable so you're not uncomfortably uncomfortable you're not uncomfortably uncomfortable you're not uncomfortably uncomfortable you're comfortably uncomfortable and you're comfortably uncomfortable and you're comfortably uncomfortable and there's a point where you'll be in the there's a point where you'll be in the there's a point where you'll be in the sauna and you know you might be chatting sauna and you know you might be chatting sauna and you know you might be chatting or reading a book or reading a book or reading a book but there's a point where you get really but there's a point where you get really but there's a point where you get really hot and you start to think oh i have to hot and you start to think oh i have to hot and you start to think oh i have to get out of here get out of here get out of here it's like your body starts talking to it's like your body starts talking to it's like your body starts talking to your mind and getting your mind's your mind and getting your mind's your mind and getting your mind's attention saying hey attention saying hey attention saying hey we're actually getting hot it's a we're actually getting hot it's a we're actually getting hot it's a life-threatening situation here life-threatening situation here life-threatening situation here and it's i talk about the point where and it's i talk about the point where and it's i talk about the point where your mitochondria and your mind your mitochondria and your mind your mitochondria and your mind are all on the same page and are all on the same page and are all on the same page and that's the point of forced mindfulness that's the point of forced mindfulness that's the point of forced mindfulness so you're coming to mindfulness through so you're coming to mindfulness through so you're coming to mindfulness through your body your body your body and all you have to do then is just a and all you have to do then is just a and all you have to do then is just a few breaths and just few breaths and just few breaths and just breathe and be there and then you can breathe and be there and then you can breathe and be there and then you can change change change and it's similar to doing a yoga stretch and it's similar to doing a yoga stretch and it's similar to doing a yoga stretch you know the point where you're you know the point where you're you know the point where you're stretching in yoga you'll get to the
38:00stretching in yoga you'll get to the stretching in yoga you'll get to the edge of your stretch edge of your stretch edge of your stretch there's a point where if you just there's a point where if you just there's a point where if you just breathe and be there you're going to be breathe and be there you're going to be breathe and be there you're going to be okay okay okay and you can be relaxed but if you push and you can be relaxed but if you push and you can be relaxed but if you push yourself further you're going to hurt yourself further you're going to hurt yourself further you're going to hurt yourself yourself yourself and then you pull a muscle so you don't and then you pull a muscle so you don't and then you pull a muscle so you don't want to pull a want to pull a want to pull a metabolic muscle in the sauna by forcing metabolic muscle in the sauna by forcing metabolic muscle in the sauna by forcing yourself to go too long yourself to go too long yourself to go too long you want to just visit the edge of your you want to just visit the edge of your you want to just visit the edge of your comfort zone comfort zone comfort zone acknowledge it breathe and then go and acknowledge it breathe and then go and acknowledge it breathe and then go and change and then cool down and relax and change and then cool down and relax and change and then cool down and relax and maybe do a couple of rounds maybe do a couple of rounds maybe do a couple of rounds but what naturally happens when you but what naturally happens when you but what naturally happens when you visit the edge of your comfort zone visit the edge of your comfort zone visit the edge of your comfort zone it naturally expands so you know the it naturally expands so you know the it naturally expands so you know the next day then the day after next day then the day after next day then the day after you can actually take it further without you can actually take it further without you can actually take it further without actually any sort of forcing actually any sort of forcing actually any sort of forcing and that's especially true with the cold and that's especially true with the cold and that's especially true with the cold like it's true with the hot as well you like it's true with the hot as well you like it's true with the hot as well you do do you build up tolerance but with the cold you build up tolerance but with the cold you build up tolerance but with the cold you build it up really quickly and if you build it up really quickly and if you build it up really quickly and if you think about our european ancestors you think about our european ancestors you think about our european ancestors when winter was coming on every day when winter was coming on every day when winter was coming on every day would be a little bit colder than the would be a little bit colder than the would be a little bit colder than the next next next and their bodies would adapt so you know and their bodies would adapt so you know and their bodies would adapt so you know you get it adjusted to the cold very you get it adjusted to the cold very you get it adjusted to the cold very quickly and um quickly and um quickly and um i've been encouraging people to take i've been encouraging people to take i've been encouraging people to take cold showers and
39:00cold showers and cold showers and very often people oh no i can't you know very often people oh no i can't you know very often people oh no i can't you know i'm not a cold water person i can't do i'm not a cold water person i can't do i'm not a cold water person i can't do cold showers cold showers cold showers and i've developed a little song and and i've developed a little song and and i've developed a little song and dance routine that can help them dance routine that can help them dance routine that can help them and i call that the cold water hokey and i call that the cold water hokey and i call that the cold water hokey pokey pokey pokey and it makes it really easy because and it makes it really easy because and it makes it really easy because basically you start with a really hot basically you start with a really hot basically you start with a really hot shower so if you don't like the cold shower so if you don't like the cold shower so if you don't like the cold just get really hot and then at the end just get really hot and then at the end just get really hot and then at the end of your hot shower turn the heat up a of your hot shower turn the heat up a of your hot shower turn the heat up a bit bit bit so you're prickly hot and you're really so you're prickly hot and you're really so you're prickly hot and you're really flushed and your vasodilated and all you flushed and your vasodilated and all you flushed and your vasodilated and all you know know all your blood vessels are open and then all your blood vessels are open and then all your blood vessels are open and then you stand back and the hardest part of you stand back and the hardest part of you stand back and the hardest part of the whole thing the whole thing the whole thing is mental it's the decision to do it but is mental it's the decision to do it but is mental it's the decision to do it but then you just turn the hot water off and then you just turn the hot water off and then you just turn the hot water off and the cold water on the cold water on the cold water on but you just wet your left foot and you but you just wet your left foot and you but you just wet your left foot and you know know that's okay you're really hot you wet that's okay you're really hot you wet that's okay you're really hot you wet your left foot oh that's okay you're not your left foot oh that's okay you're not your left foot oh that's okay you're not panicking with that and then you wet panicking with that and then you wet panicking with that and then you wet your leg and you can do your right foot your leg and you can do your right foot your leg and you can do your right foot and your leg and your leg and your leg then you can do your left hand and your then you can do your left hand and your then you can do your left hand and your arm and your other hand and your arm arm and your other hand and your arm arm and your other hand and your arm and what that's done is it it and what that's done is it it and what that's done is it it vasoconstricts your periphery the the vasoconstricts your periphery the the vasoconstricts your periphery the the blood vessels blood vessels blood vessels in your arms and legs and it pushes all in your arms and legs and it pushes all in your arms and legs and it pushes all that warm blood into your core that warm blood into your core
40:00that warm blood into your core so you're still feeling warm and then so you're still feeling warm and then so you're still feeling warm and then the most important part is to keep the most important part is to keep the most important part is to keep breathing calmly and smile to yourself breathing calmly and smile to yourself breathing calmly and smile to yourself because that's what it's all about because that's what it's all about because that's what it's all about and then you can put your left side in and then you can put your left side in and then you can put your left side in but before you put your left side in but before you put your left side in but before you put your left side in especially when the water hits the blood especially when the water hits the blood especially when the water hits the blood vessels around your neck vessels around your neck vessels around your neck which are close to the surface normally which are close to the surface normally which are close to the surface normally when the cold water hits there you take when the cold water hits there you take when the cold water hits there you take it it you'd gasp but before you do that you you'd gasp but before you do that you you'd gasp but before you do that you take a big breath and as you're putting take a big breath and as you're putting take a big breath and as you're putting your left side in you sigh your left side in you sigh your left side in you sigh through as the cold water's hitting your through as the cold water's hitting your through as the cold water's hitting your neck neck neck and it changes the experience completely and it changes the experience completely and it changes the experience completely because because because as you're sighing out you're because as you're sighing out you're because as you're sighing out you're relaxed and and then you just relaxed and and then you just relaxed and and then you just oh you notice the sensation of cold but oh you notice the sensation of cold but oh you notice the sensation of cold but there's no emotional there's no emotional there's no emotional baggage with that and you put your left baggage with that and you put your left baggage with that and you put your left side in then you're right siding you're side in then you're right siding you're side in then you're right siding you're front side and you turn yourself around front side and you turn yourself around front side and you turn yourself around keep breathing calmly and smile to keep breathing calmly and smile to keep breathing calmly and smile to yourself because that's what it's all yourself because that's what it's all yourself because that's what it's all about and then you can put your whole about and then you can put your whole about and then you can put your whole head in head in head in and again normally when you put your and again normally when you put your and again normally when you put your head in i mean your head has a lot of head in i mean your head has a lot of head in i mean your head has a lot of blood vessels near the surface that blood vessels near the surface that blood vessels near the surface that would cause you to gas but you just would cause you to gas but you just would cause you to gas but you just decide as you do that decide as you do that decide as you do that you move your head around and you stand
41:00you move your head around and you stand you move your head around and you stand still get a drenching it's like turn still get a drenching it's like turn still get a drenching it's like turn yourself around yourself around yourself around continue breathing calmly and smile to continue breathing calmly and smile to continue breathing calmly and smile to yourself because that's what it's all yourself because that's what it's all about and then you can about and then you can about and then you can direct the cold water on your kidneys direct the cold water on your kidneys direct the cold water on your kidneys your groin and your armpits all the your groin and your armpits all the your groin and your armpits all the places where the blood vessels are close places where the blood vessels are close places where the blood vessels are close to the surface to the surface to the surface and you'll find find that just by doing and you'll find find that just by doing and you'll find find that just by doing that that you'll be comfortable in in really cold you'll be comfortable in in really cold you'll be comfortable in in really cold water and it may take water and it may take water and it may take a few days to build up to that if if the a few days to build up to that if if the a few days to build up to that if if the water's really cold you're starting this water's really cold you're starting this water's really cold you're starting this in winter and then you know the in winter and then you know the in winter and then you know the shower temperatures are 8 10 degrees it shower temperatures are 8 10 degrees it shower temperatures are 8 10 degrees it might take a few days to build up to might take a few days to build up to might take a few days to build up to that that but if you build it up slowly there's no but if you build it up slowly there's no but if you build it up slowly there's no stress about it there's no forcing stress about it there's no forcing stress about it there's no forcing and you'll find you can naturally stand and you'll find you can naturally stand and you'll find you can naturally stand under very cold water under very cold water under very cold water and realize i'm okay and that that whole and realize i'm okay and that that whole and realize i'm okay and that that whole song and dance takes about a minute or song and dance takes about a minute or song and dance takes about a minute or less less less you do it in the comfort of your own you do it in the comfort of your own you do it in the comfort of your own shower it requires no extra money you're shower it requires no extra money you're shower it requires no extra money you're saving a bit of hot water saving a bit of hot water saving a bit of hot water no not no really extra time and you can no not no really extra time and you can no not no really extra time and you can start your day start your day start your day singing and dancing and when you get out singing and dancing and when you get out singing and dancing and when you get out after the cold shower you feel really after the cold shower you feel really after the cold shower you feel really invigorated you actually feel alive and invigorated you actually feel alive and invigorated you actually feel alive and and you've also practiced
42:00and you've also practiced and you've also practiced dissolving your procrastination muscle dissolving your procrastination muscle dissolving your procrastination muscle so you're overcoming procrastination so so you're overcoming procrastination so so you're overcoming procrastination so if you can do that in the morning if you can do that in the morning if you can do that in the morning any other thing you have to do during any other thing you have to do during any other thing you have to do during the day when there's that difficult the day when there's that difficult the day when there's that difficult conversation you have to have or the job conversation you have to have or the job conversation you have to have or the job you really didn't want to do you really didn't want to do you really didn't want to do you've practiced saying okay i'm just you've practiced saying okay i'm just you've practiced saying okay i'm just going to do it and i'm going to be okay going to do it and i'm going to be okay going to do it and i'm going to be okay so it actually translates gives you so it actually translates gives you so it actually translates gives you power over the rest of your life just power over the rest of your life just power over the rest of your life just this simple act of having a cold shower this simple act of having a cold shower this simple act of having a cold shower so yeah playing with temperature it's a so yeah playing with temperature it's a so yeah playing with temperature it's a really powerful really powerful really powerful way to exercise your ability your way to exercise your ability your way to exercise your ability your your willpower um exercise your vascular your willpower um exercise your vascular your willpower um exercise your vascular system system exercise your mitochondria and your exercise your mitochondria and your exercise your mitochondria and your metabolism metabolism metabolism um and do it you know very very simply um and do it you know very very simply um and do it you know very very simply and cheaply and to boost your immune and cheaply and to boost your immune and cheaply and to boost your immune system system and it's really effective um as an and it's really effective um as an and it's really effective um as an immune system enhancer immune system enhancer immune system enhancer and just as as i say fever is so um and just as as i say fever is so um and just as as i say fever is so um you know you can have the power over you know you can have the power over you know you can have the power over your immune system just in a hot water your immune system just in a hot water your immune system just in a hot water yeah totally it's incredible i mean yeah totally it's incredible i mean yeah totally it's incredible i mean you i'm the converted year i i i
43:00you i'm the converted year i i i you i'm the converted year i i i i know you know whim but i spent a week i know you know whim but i spent a week i know you know whim but i spent a week with wim hof back in with wim hof back in with wim hof back in 2016 i think something like that and um 2016 i think something like that and um 2016 i think something like that and um and ever since i've been kind of keeping and ever since i've been kind of keeping and ever since i've been kind of keeping up with a hot and cold shower up with a hot and cold shower up with a hot and cold shower daily and finishing on the call for not daily and finishing on the call for not daily and finishing on the call for not that it gets that cold in byron bay that it gets that cold in byron bay that it gets that cold in byron bay but it's not too bad um but it's but it's not too bad um but it's but it's not too bad um but it's it's a great habit honestly like it's it's a great habit honestly like it's it's a great habit honestly like it's night and day from uh night and day from uh night and day from uh how i feel before the other thing people how i feel before the other thing people how i feel before the other thing people will notice um will notice um will notice um your skin will feel better and your hair your skin will feel better and your hair your skin will feel better and your hair feels better feels better feels better because cold water closes up your pores because cold water closes up your pores because cold water closes up your pores and closes up the cuticles on your hair and closes up the cuticles on your hair and closes up the cuticles on your hair so your hair can so your hair can so your hair can actually feel better and more manageable actually feel better and more manageable actually feel better and more manageable it does it does make a difference so it does it does make a difference so it does it does make a difference so having good water um you know and you having good water um you know and you having good water um you know and you know know especially if you're bathing in hot especially if you're bathing in hot especially if you're bathing in hot water that's chlorinated water that's chlorinated water that's chlorinated that can be problematic because chlorine that can be problematic because chlorine that can be problematic because chlorine releases disinfection byproducts releases disinfection byproducts releases disinfection byproducts that are volatile and you breathe them that are volatile and you breathe them that are volatile and you breathe them in and they absorb through your skin in and they absorb through your skin in and they absorb through your skin so um yeah so bathing um so um yeah so bathing um so um yeah so bathing um i mean i i heard you mentioned as well
44:00i mean i i heard you mentioned as well i mean i i heard you mentioned as well with the bathing in the hot water to with the bathing in the hot water to with the bathing in the hot water to leave the bath sit for half hour but leave the bath sit for half hour but leave the bath sit for half hour but like make it harder than you would like make it harder than you would like make it harder than you would normally normally normally do to get in and so that's a little hack do to get in and so that's a little hack do to get in and so that's a little hack if if if you don't want to if you have only you don't want to if you have only you don't want to if you have only access to town water that's chlorinated access to town water that's chlorinated access to town water that's chlorinated yeah and you don't want to bathe in yeah and you don't want to bathe in yeah and you don't want to bathe in chlorine water and and i do this often chlorine water and and i do this often chlorine water and and i do this often when i'm traveling when i'm traveling when i'm traveling in hotels often you know it's just in hotels often you know it's just in hotels often you know it's just chlorinated water in the in fact i love chlorinated water in the in fact i love chlorinated water in the in fact i love having bars so what you do is you having bars so what you do is you having bars so what you do is you you turn the hot bath on and make it you turn the hot bath on and make it you turn the hot bath on and make it really hot really hot really hot and make sure there's a fan on and you and make sure there's a fan on and you and make sure there's a fan on and you just wait for half an hour just wait for half an hour just wait for half an hour and in that half an hour a lot of the and in that half an hour a lot of the and in that half an hour a lot of the chlorine the disinfection byproducts chlorine the disinfection byproducts chlorine the disinfection byproducts will become volatile they'll will become volatile they'll will become volatile they'll out gas a fan will suck them away and out gas a fan will suck them away and out gas a fan will suck them away and after half an hour or so the water will after half an hour or so the water will after half an hour or so the water will cool down to a temperature you can cool down to a temperature you can cool down to a temperature you can handle handle handle and you can have a relatively chlorine and you can have a relatively chlorine and you can have a relatively chlorine free bath free bath free bath um so that's a good little hack um yeah um so that's a good little hack um yeah um so that's a good little hack um yeah it certainly helps do you add anything it certainly helps do you add anything it certainly helps do you add anything do you add anything yourself to the do you add anything yourself to the do you add anything yourself to the bathroom to help it i don't know bathroom to help it i don't know bathroom to help it i don't know normally i put in um epsom salts and normally i put in um epsom salts and normally i put in um epsom salts and i'll put in essential oils and i'll put in essential oils and i'll put in essential oils and and maybe a friend you know um and maybe a friend you know um and maybe a friend you know um [Laughter]
45:00[Laughter] [Laughter] and you're good to go yeah yeah but i and you're good to go yeah yeah but i and you're good to go yeah yeah but i mean bathing is mean bathing is mean bathing is such a um a basic you know such a um a basic you know such a um a basic you know thing for hygiene and health but it's thing for hygiene and health but it's thing for hygiene and health but it's also very sensual i mean it gets you in also very sensual i mean it gets you in also very sensual i mean it gets you in touch with your body and touch with your body and touch with your body and temperature and um yeah i think that's temperature and um yeah i think that's temperature and um yeah i think that's one of the most important things we can one of the most important things we can one of the most important things we can do and you know the recipe for well for do and you know the recipe for well for do and you know the recipe for well for wellness starts with bathed in beautiful wellness starts with bathed in beautiful wellness starts with bathed in beautiful water water water um and it's not just you know bathing um and it's not just you know bathing um and it's not just you know bathing it's you know drinking the beautiful it's you know drinking the beautiful it's you know drinking the beautiful water and for me beautiful water is water and for me beautiful water is water and for me beautiful water is water that's been filtered water that's been filtered water that's been filtered structured balanced in terms of ph and structured balanced in terms of ph and structured balanced in terms of ph and minerals minerals minerals blessed can't like with conscious blessed can't like with conscious blessed can't like with conscious intention and it's free that's not a intention and it's free that's not a intention and it's free that's not a commodity commodity commodity that's actually about freely available that's actually about freely available that's actually about freely available and um and um yeah you know i think that we could we yeah you know i think that we could we yeah you know i think that we could we could definitely change the world if we could definitely change the world if we could definitely change the world if we um focused on providing you know water um focused on providing you know water um focused on providing you know water to people to people to people but roughly about a third of the world but roughly about a third of the world but roughly about a third of the world don't have access to that at the moment don't have access to that at the moment don't have access to that at the moment and that's i think a travesty so i've and that's i think a travesty so i've and that's i think a travesty so i've i'm really dedicated to try and
46:00i'm really dedicated to try and i'm really dedicated to try and bring consciousness to water bring bring consciousness to water bring bring consciousness to water bring consciousness to the power of consciousness to the power of consciousness to the power of temperature and you know temp you know temperature and you know temp you know temperature and you know temp you know whenever you're dealing with whenever you're dealing with whenever you're dealing with temperatures extremes temperatures extremes temperatures extremes you're always dealing with water because you're always dealing with water because you're always dealing with water because the humidity is a big factor the humidity is a big factor the humidity is a big factor because water will transm transmit heat because water will transm transmit heat because water will transm transmit heat 25 times better than air 25 times better than air 25 times better than air so you know you can you can tolerate a a so you know you can you can tolerate a a so you know you can you can tolerate a a hot bath maybe the 42 i hot bath maybe the 42 i hot bath maybe the 42 i think japanese got a 47 but they're think japanese got a 47 but they're think japanese got a 47 but they're crazy crazy crazy um you know steam room maybe at 47 48 um you know steam room maybe at 47 48 um you know steam room maybe at 47 48 degrees is tolerable degrees is tolerable degrees is tolerable but a dry sauna which is still have some but a dry sauna which is still have some but a dry sauna which is still have some level of humidity level of humidity level of humidity you know 100 degrees 110 degrees you know 100 degrees 110 degrees you know 100 degrees 110 degrees centigrade is still possible when it's centigrade is still possible when it's centigrade is still possible when it's dry so dry so dry so um so there's not you know one um so there's not you know one um so there's not you know one prescription this is how long you know prescription this is how long you know prescription this is how long you know this temperature in this length of this temperature in this length of this temperature in this length of period it depends on the humidity period it depends on the humidity period it depends on the humidity depends on the temperature depends on the temperature depends on the temperature and it depends on your personal and it depends on your personal and it depends on your personal tolerance where you know tolerance where you know tolerance where you know and that would that will change and that would that will change and that would that will change depending on your own mental state your depending on your own mental state your depending on your own mental state your own anxiety own anxiety own anxiety um with you've you know you've got um with you've you know you've got um with you've you know you've got stress in your life whether you've stress in your life whether you've stress in your life whether you've been eating junk food or not all these been eating junk food or not all these been eating junk food or not all these will change your tolerance to
47:00will change your tolerance to will change your tolerance to temperature temperature temperature so it's you know what brings you to that so it's you know what brings you to that so it's you know what brings you to that point of forced point of forced point of forced mindfulness of being comfortably mindfulness of being comfortably mindfulness of being comfortably uncomfortable and that uncomfortable and that uncomfortable and that is a very personal experience i can't as is a very personal experience i can't as is a very personal experience i can't as a doctor i can't prescribe a doctor i can't prescribe a doctor i can't prescribe a particular temperature and time of a particular temperature and time of a particular temperature and time of course yeah course yeah course yeah um so you have to then have a um so you have to then have a um so you have to then have a relationship with your body and you have relationship with your body and you have relationship with your body and you have to tune in to tune in to tune in to your to your own body and that's also to your to your own body and that's also to your to your own body and that's also a really powerful process a really powerful process a really powerful process yeah it's massive it's massive well why yeah it's massive it's massive well why yeah it's massive it's massive well why before we wrap up the podcast before we wrap up the podcast before we wrap up the podcast can you touch on the projects that can you touch on the projects that can you touch on the projects that you've got going at the moment because i you've got going at the moment because i you've got going at the moment because i know you alluded to the water know you alluded to the water know you alluded to the water but uh you were showing me like because but uh you were showing me like because but uh you were showing me like because you've got quite a few things you've got quite a few things you've got quite a few things i've just launched four different i've just launched four different i've just launched four different companies um businesses that companies um businesses that companies um businesses that um i call them adventures so they're um i call them adventures so they're um i call them adventures so they're different benches but like they're different benches but like they're different benches but like they're adventures and one one you know it's adventures and one one you know it's adventures and one one you know it's been going for 35 years it's a been going for 35 years it's a been going for 35 years it's a children's book that i've just released children's book that i've just released children's book that i've just released it's called bing and bang begin that's it's called bing and bang begin that's it's called bing and bang begin that's loving everything it's the short loving everything it's the short loving everything it's the short the the shorter version for the um the the the shorter version for the um the the the shorter version for the um the compressed version compressed version compressed version but it's a creation story that brings in
48:00but it's a creation story that brings in but it's a creation story that brings in all the concepts of chinese medicine of all the concepts of chinese medicine of all the concepts of chinese medicine of the the dao and yin and yang and the the the dao and yin and yang and the the the dao and yin and yang and the five elements five elements five elements into a playful dr seuss type rhyme into a playful dr seuss type rhyme into a playful dr seuss type rhyme that then talks and then that the that then talks and then that the that then talks and then that the longer book um goes into concepts such longer book um goes into concepts such longer book um goes into concepts such as as as thermodynamics and evolution and thermodynamics and evolution and thermodynamics and evolution and mindfulness and mindfulness and mindfulness and um brings it into a um um brings it into a um um brings it into a um a very fun way of thinking about these a very fun way of thinking about these a very fun way of thinking about these concepts so that's so concepts so that's so concepts so that's so paranoia presses is my publishing arm paranoia presses is my publishing arm paranoia presses is my publishing arm and and there's i've got three books the there's i've got three books the there's i've got three books the beautiful mayor and the boy who gave beautiful mayor and the boy who gave beautiful mayor and the boy who gave thanks is the story i described about thanks is the story i described about thanks is the story i described about the man who lost his horse the man who lost his horse the man who lost his horse and then loving everything and being a and then loving everything and being a and then loving everything and being a band again another creation band again another creation band again another creation and they're beautiful mate or truly like and they're beautiful mate or truly like and they're beautiful mate or truly like the illustrations the writing everything the illustrations the writing everything the illustrations the writing everything we've been doing we've been doing we've been doing a couple of standings here maddox spent a couple of standings here maddox spent a couple of standings here maddox spent two years illustrating these books two years illustrating these books two years illustrating these books each of those books and they really are each of those books and they really are each of those books and they really are stunning stunning stunning so i've got i've got children's books so i've got i've got children's books so i've got i've got children's books that i'm writing um i've just launched a that i'm writing um i've just launched a that i'm writing um i've just launched a water company called beautiful water water company called beautiful water water company called beautiful water and the website's just beautiful water and the website's just beautiful water and the website's just beautiful water dot co and that dot co and that dot co and that has systems that are filtered structured
49:00has systems that are filtered structured has systems that are filtered structured balanced blessed and free balanced blessed and free balanced blessed and free in terms of the water i've created a um in terms of the water i've created a um in terms of the water i've created a um a company that does extremely alive a company that does extremely alive a company that does extremely alive wellness tonics wellness tonics wellness tonics and these are tonics made from kombucha and these are tonics made from kombucha and these are tonics made from kombucha vinegar so they're actually vinegar so they're actually vinegar so they're actually literally a starter culture so it's a literally a starter culture so it's a literally a starter culture so it's a kombucha vinegar that's kombucha vinegar that's kombucha vinegar that's it's um fermented all the way through so it's um fermented all the way through so it's um fermented all the way through so there's no there's no there's no sugar or alcohol left in them but sugar or alcohol left in them but sugar or alcohol left in them but they're still alive there's still they're still alive there's still they're still alive there's still bacteria in yeast there bacteria in yeast there bacteria in yeast there and then we soak herbs and we use 10 and then we soak herbs and we use 10 and then we soak herbs and we use 10 different herbs for each blend and different herbs for each blend and different herbs for each blend and there's five blends based on the five there's five blends based on the five there's five blends based on the five elements of chinese medicine elements of chinese medicine elements of chinese medicine and in the blends we use a combination and in the blends we use a combination and in the blends we use a combination of leaves of leaves of leaves roots flowers fruits and fungi roots flowers fruits and fungi roots flowers fruits and fungi so they've all got that the earthy so they've all got that the earthy so they've all got that the earthy element and the air element and the element and the air element and the element and the air element and the you know the water elements and we blend you know the water elements and we blend you know the water elements and we blend them them them into these tonics that you can take into these tonics that you can take into these tonics that you can take straight as a just as a shot straight as a just as a shot straight as a just as a shot like a 20 mil vinegar shot like you like a 20 mil vinegar shot like you like a 20 mil vinegar shot like you would with apple cider vinegar but would with apple cider vinegar but would with apple cider vinegar but they're they're they're highly potent you know organic herbs highly potent you know organic herbs highly potent you know organic herbs that we use that we use that we use and there's one we call the flu shot
50:00and there's one we call the flu shot and there's one we call the flu shot which all the herbs in in the flu shot which all the herbs in in the flu shot which all the herbs in in the flu shot have proven scientific efficacy against have proven scientific efficacy against have proven scientific efficacy against uh the flu virus uh the flu virus uh the flu virus so i used all the all the experience i so i used all the all the experience i so i used all the all the experience i had writing that herbs and supplements had writing that herbs and supplements had writing that herbs and supplements book i've actually put to use book i've actually put to use book i've actually put to use developing this company extremely live developing this company extremely live developing this company extremely live and that's extremely live.com.eu and that's extremely live.com.eu and that's extremely live.com.eu so those tonics have just we've just so those tonics have just we've just so those tonics have just we've just done our production run and just had a done our production run and just had a done our production run and just had a launch launch launch with the tonics the filters are out the with the tonics the filters are out the with the tonics the filters are out the um um the books are out and then the extreme the books are out and then the extreme the books are out and then the extreme wellness academy is an online wellness academy is an online wellness academy is an online education portal where i have a course education portal where i have a course education portal where i have a course on water actually two courses on water on water actually two courses on water on water actually two courses on water and i've partnered with this incredible and i've partnered with this incredible and i've partnered with this incredible woman isabelle friend who has her own woman isabelle friend who has her own woman isabelle friend who has her own website water is life.love website water is life.love website water is life.love and she's just a water geek and together and she's just a water geek and together and she's just a water geek and together we've created these courses um we've created these courses um we've created these courses um one's called the wonders of water which one's called the wonders of water which one's called the wonders of water which goes through goes through goes through all the the pros and cons and the all the the pros and cons and the all the the pros and cons and the differences between spring water tap differences between spring water tap differences between spring water tap water reverse osmosis water distilled water reverse osmosis water distilled water reverse osmosis water distilled water alkaline water etc water alkaline water etc water alkaline water etc and then it goes through the processes and then it goes through the processes and then it goes through the processes of filtering structuring of filtering structuring of filtering structuring balancing blessing and then water balancing blessing and then water balancing blessing and then water advocacy and water freedom
51:00advocacy and water freedom advocacy and water freedom and it explains how you can do all those and it explains how you can do all those and it explains how you can do all those things yourself how to find a spring and things yourself how to find a spring and things yourself how to find a spring and there's a great website finderspring.com there's a great website finderspring.com there's a great website finderspring.com where you can find your local spring where you can find your local spring where you can find your local spring and there are ways you can filter and and there are ways you can filter and and there are ways you can filter and structure water yourself at home structure water yourself at home structure water yourself at home um and then i have beautiful water um and then i have beautiful water um and then i have beautiful water systems that do that as well systems that do that as well systems that do that as well so yeah online education and then i'm so yeah online education and then i'm so yeah online education and then i'm trying to bring all these together in trying to bring all these together in trying to bring all these together in what i call the wellness circus what i call the wellness circus what i call the wellness circus which is like a travelling wellness which is like a travelling wellness which is like a travelling wellness roadshow roadshow roadshow yeah so we could have you know saunas yeah so we could have you know saunas yeah so we could have you know saunas and ice bars and hot tubs and set them and ice bars and hot tubs and set them and ice bars and hot tubs and set them up in public places or at festivals and up in public places or at festivals and up in public places or at festivals and then then then use that as an education center and have use that as an education center and have use that as an education center and have teas and kombuchas and tonics and teas and kombuchas and tonics and teas and kombuchas and tonics and really give an experience to people of really give an experience to people of really give an experience to people of wellness wellness wellness and then tell them how to take it home and then tell them how to take it home and then tell them how to take it home so so so i love giving away tulsi cuttings you i love giving away tulsi cuttings you i love giving away tulsi cuttings you know tulsi know tulsi know tulsi is holy basil i've written a lot and is holy basil i've written a lot and is holy basil i've written a lot and i've had phd students study tulsi for i've had phd students study tulsi for i've had phd students study tulsi for five years and five years and five years and um but it's a pla you know a very easy um but it's a pla you know a very easy um but it's a pla you know a very easy to grow plants you can take a cutting to grow plants you can take a cutting to grow plants you can take a cutting it'll grow roots you can give it away it'll grow roots you can give it away it'll grow roots you can give it away then people can grow it themselves and then people can grow it themselves and then people can grow it themselves and use it for tea and pesto the same with a
52:00use it for tea and pesto the same with a use it for tea and pesto the same with a kombucha scoby or kombucha scoby or kombucha scoby or our tonics if i give them away people if our tonics if i give them away people if our tonics if i give them away people if you add you add you add sugar and tea to our tonics you can keep sugar and tea to our tonics you can keep sugar and tea to our tonics you can keep growing your own kombucha from them growing your own kombucha from them growing your own kombucha from them right so these are what i call right so these are what i call right so these are what i call generative wellness practices and generative wellness practices and generative wellness practices and the aim is to create this culture where the aim is to create this culture where the aim is to create this culture where people can go and do this people can go and do this people can go and do this and literally infect the world with good and literally infect the world with good and literally infect the world with good health because i really health because i really health because i really i believe wellness can be more i believe wellness can be more i believe wellness can be more contagious than illness contagious than illness contagious than illness but we have to do that through our but we have to do that through our but we have to do that through our culture and it has to be so culture and it has to be so culture and it has to be so um appealing to you that you want to do um appealing to you that you want to do um appealing to you that you want to do it yourself and then you want to share it yourself and then you want to share it yourself and then you want to share it with your friends it with your friends it with your friends yeah and and then that comes back to fun yeah and and then that comes back to fun yeah and and then that comes back to fun because you make it fun because you make it fun because you make it fun then you want to share it with your then you want to share it with your then you want to share it with your friends totally mark friends totally mark friends totally mark bloody l mate it's a good job you're in bloody l mate it's a good job you're in bloody l mate it's a good job you're in the flow i can tell you with all those the flow i can tell you with all those the flow i can tell you with all those projects happening it's incredible i've projects happening it's incredible i've projects happening it's incredible i've got nothing but admiration for you got nothing but admiration for you got nothing but admiration for you oh thank you guys well it does it oh thank you guys well it does it oh thank you guys well it does it doesn't feel like i mean people say well doesn't feel like i mean people say well doesn't feel like i mean people say well how do you do so much well how do you do so much well how do you do so much well you know i don't watch tv i don't get you know i don't watch tv i don't get you know i don't watch tv i don't get involved with politics i don't get involved with politics i don't get involved with politics i don't get involved with sport i don't do involved with sport i don't do involved with sport i don't do mainstream media mainstream media mainstream media i don't read the news so i'm really i don't read the news so i'm really i don't read the news so i'm really protective of what goes into my
53:00protective of what goes into my protective of what goes into my consciousness consciousness consciousness yeah and i've been doing this a long yeah and i've been doing this a long yeah and i've been doing this a long time you know so i've been on the same time you know so i've been on the same time you know so i've been on the same path for a long time path for a long time path for a long time so it doesn't feel like work for me i so it doesn't feel like work for me i so it doesn't feel like work for me i mean i i i really mean i i i really mean i i i really and you said something so important at and you said something so important at and you said something so important at the beginning and i just want to the beginning and i just want to the beginning and i just want to i can't remember how you phrased it but i can't remember how you phrased it but i can't remember how you phrased it but the fact that you you focus on the fact that you you focus on the fact that you you focus on what you can bring to the world not push what you can bring to the world not push what you can bring to the world not push against what's wrong with the world but against what's wrong with the world but against what's wrong with the world but you're over here actually i think that's you're over here actually i think that's you're over here actually i think that's important yeah i important yeah i important yeah i really want to i want to do the things really want to i want to do the things really want to i want to do the things that i actually so i've got that i actually so i've got that i actually so i've got i'll finish with another poem this is i'll finish with another poem this is i'll finish with another poem this is the antidote to fear the antidote to fear the antidote to fear um because theory is you know one of the um because theory is you know one of the um because theory is you know one of the um in fact i've got two more poems i can um in fact i've got two more poems i can um in fact i've got two more poems i can share share share just quickly so the antidote to fear just quickly so the antidote to fear just quickly so the antidote to fear is foster love of poetry is foster love of poetry is foster love of poetry express yourself through dance fill your express yourself through dance fill your express yourself through dance fill your life with life with life with fun and joy friendship and romance fun and joy friendship and romance fun and joy friendship and romance focus on the things you want be the focus on the things you want be the focus on the things you want be the change you want to see change you want to see change you want to see spread good will to all you meet and spread good will to all you meet and spread good will to all you meet and live live live fearless and free again it's very simple
54:00fearless and free again it's very simple fearless and free again it's very simple but it's about you know focusing on but it's about you know focusing on but it's about you know focusing on things you want and spreading good will things you want and spreading good will things you want and spreading good will that's how you overcome fear and the that's how you overcome fear and the that's how you overcome fear and the last poem is a poem i last poem is a poem i last poem is a poem i i came up with at the start of the i came up with at the start of the i came up with at the start of the pandemic when i was thinking about how pandemic when i was thinking about how pandemic when i was thinking about how you overcome fear and anxiety and boost you overcome fear and anxiety and boost you overcome fear and anxiety and boost your immune system at home and during your immune system at home and during your immune system at home and during lockdown lockdown lockdown and i've been studying holistic health and i've been studying holistic health and i've been studying holistic health for you know nearly 40 years for you know nearly 40 years for you know nearly 40 years so i had a lot of different things i so i had a lot of different things i so i had a lot of different things i wanted to talk about and i i wanted to talk about and i i wanted to talk about and i i started putting them all together and started putting them all together and started putting them all together and they came out as a poem so this poem has they came out as a poem so this poem has they came out as a poem so this poem has 50 activities 50 activities 50 activities and on my website i've actually got a and on my website i've actually got a and on my website i've actually got a link from each activity to the link from each activity to the link from each activity to the scientific research behind it scientific research behind it scientific research behind it oh wow each of these 50 so this is this oh wow each of these 50 so this is this oh wow each of these 50 so this is this poem's a mini literature review poem's a mini literature review poem's a mini literature review and these are 50 activities you can do and these are 50 activities you can do and these are 50 activities you can do at home with no at home with no at home with no very little money equipment or training very little money equipment or training very little money equipment or training that'll boost your immunity and reduce that'll boost your immunity and reduce that'll boost your immunity and reduce fear and anxiety fear and anxiety fear and anxiety and i call this the world of wellness so and i call this the world of wellness so and i call this the world of wellness so the world of wellness the world of wellness the world of wellness hold someone's hand gaze into their eyes hold someone's hand gaze into their eyes hold someone's hand gaze into their eyes go barefoot in nature bask in sunrise
55:00go barefoot in nature bask in sunrise go barefoot in nature bask in sunrise choose a dance partner and go find your choose a dance partner and go find your choose a dance partner and go find your groove groove groove do tai chi or yoga mindfully move do tai chi or yoga mindfully move do tai chi or yoga mindfully move share a massage receive healing touch share a massage receive healing touch share a massage receive healing touch focus on one thing and don't think too focus on one thing and don't think too focus on one thing and don't think too much much much make time for a hobby play chess fly a make time for a hobby play chess fly a make time for a hobby play chess fly a kite kite kite make use of your hands draw paint so make use of your hands draw paint so make use of your hands draw paint so we'll write we'll write we'll write help someone in need donate to a cause help someone in need donate to a cause help someone in need donate to a cause play games meditate read stuff from play games meditate read stuff from play games meditate read stuff from bookstores bookstores bookstores turn off your screens and get a good turn off your screens and get a good turn off your screens and get a good sleep sleep sleep declutter spark joy and love what you declutter spark joy and love what you declutter spark joy and love what you keep keep keep dig around in the garden pick up a dig around in the garden pick up a dig around in the garden pick up a guitar guitar guitar slip into a bathtub sauna or spa slip into a bathtub sauna or spa slip into a bathtub sauna or spa care for a pet take up a sport care for a pet take up a sport care for a pet take up a sport go on vacation and make your home a go on vacation and make your home a go on vacation and make your home a resort resort resort lie in a hammock and relieve pent-up
56:00lie in a hammock and relieve pent-up lie in a hammock and relieve pent-up stress stress stress relax and do nothing then do relax and do nothing then do relax and do nothing then do even less laugh out loud even less laugh out loud even less laugh out loud share a joke give someone a kiss share a joke give someone a kiss share a joke give someone a kiss say a prayer chant a mantra and say a prayer chant a mantra and say a prayer chant a mantra and follow your blues so that's how i try and live my life so that's how i try and live my life still i do the children trying to fill still i do the children trying to fill still i do the children trying to fill those 50 things in every day if i can those 50 things in every day if i can those 50 things in every day if i can amazing amazing and do you have a book of poems coming and do you have a book of poems coming and do you have a book of poems coming out by any chance out by any chance out by any chance um i'd like to i'd love to do a little um i'd like to i'd love to do a little um i'd like to i'd love to do a little perform like a perform like a perform like a show you know cabaret doing poetry uh show you know cabaret doing poetry uh show you know cabaret doing poetry uh most of the poems are on my website i'm most of the poems are on my website i'm most of the poems are on my website i'm dr mark.co dr mark.co dr mark.co um i mean my children's books you know um i mean my children's books you know um i mean my children's books you know um um i mean bing and bang beginners is poetry i mean bing and bang beginners is poetry i mean bing and bang beginners is poetry i have another poem coming out i have another poem coming out i have another poem coming out um which i'm still working on but i'm um which i'm still working on but i'm um which i'm still working on but i'm tweeting which meditation the story of tweeting which meditation the story of tweeting which meditation the story of water water tells this four and a half billion year tells this four and a half billion year tells this four and a half billion year old story of how water old story of how water old story of how water turned into life and it's like a biology turned into life and it's like a biology turned into life and it's like a biology textbook in poetry
57:00textbook in poetry textbook in poetry um but most of those poems i share today um but most of those poems i share today um but most of those poems i share today are on my website drmark.co under are on my website drmark.co under are on my website drmark.co under i mean there's academic articles and i mean there's academic articles and i mean there's academic articles and there's books but there's podcasts and there's books but there's podcasts and there's books but there's podcasts and there's videos but there's poetry it's there's videos but there's poetry it's there's videos but there's poetry it's one of the tags and one of the tags and one of the tags and most of those poems can be found there most of those poems can be found there most of those poems can be found there and and everything you mentioned as well and and everything you mentioned as well and and everything you mentioned as well your projects will they all be linked on your projects will they all be linked on your projects will they all be linked on your your your main website i think yeah that there main website i think yeah that there main website i think yeah that there should be yeah should be yeah should be yeah and there's quite a few that we haven't and there's quite a few that we haven't and there's quite a few that we haven't mentioned that are also there so you mentioned that are also there so you mentioned that are also there so you know the hot springs in new zealand and know the hot springs in new zealand and know the hot springs in new zealand and we have been we have been we have been fading and um yeah bathe the world fading and um yeah bathe the world fading and um yeah bathe the world foundation and there's foundation and there's foundation and there's lots of other activities but it would lots of other activities but it would lots of other activities but it would need a whole nother episode to talk need a whole nother episode to talk need a whole nother episode to talk about that about that about that so i'm sure i'm sure you'll be back on so i'm sure i'm sure you'll be back on so i'm sure i'm sure you'll be back on at some stage mark that was incredible at some stage mark that was incredible at some stage mark that was incredible um um look for people listening to this if look for people listening to this if look for people listening to this if they pause there'll be marks link just they pause there'll be marks link just they pause there'll be marks link just below below below whether you're listening on audio or whether you're listening on audio or whether you're listening on audio or youtube or whatever the link will be youtube or whatever the link will be youtube or whatever the link will be there so there so there so please go and support mark check it out please go and support mark check it out please go and support mark check it out and mark look i just want to thank you and mark look i just want to thank you and mark look i just want to thank you for coming on the show today for coming on the show today for coming on the show today sharing your wisdom pleasure yeah i sharing your wisdom pleasure yeah i sharing your wisdom pleasure yeah i wasn't sure where we were going to go wasn't sure where we were going to go wasn't sure where we were going to go with it but that was amazing with it but that was amazing with it but that was amazing and uh it was yeah it was fun for me and and uh it was yeah it was fun for me and and uh it was yeah it was fun for me and um um and i feel so blessed to be able to just and i feel so blessed to be able to just and i feel so blessed to be able to just come on your podcast because
58:00come on your podcast because come on your podcast because you know i just come and chat and you do you know i just come and chat and you do you know i just come and chat and you do all the work and you set it all up and all the work and you set it all up and all the work and you set it all up and then you promote promote what i'm doing then you promote promote what i'm doing then you promote promote what i'm doing and i just feel and i just feel and i just feel really grateful and really blessed to to really grateful and really blessed to to really grateful and really blessed to to be in this position so thank you be in this position so thank you be in this position so thank you you're welcome cheers mark appreciate it you