Should you Take Saunas or Cold Showers Andrew Huberman
00:00we have a storage of of healthy fat in we have a storage of of healthy fat in our body called Brown fat which is our body called Brown fat which is our body called Brown fat which is literally Brown under the microscope literally Brown under the microscope literally Brown under the microscope because it's rich with mitochondria it's because it's rich with mitochondria it's because it's rich with mitochondria it's not the blubbery fat that people not the blubbery fat that people not the blubbery fat that people generally want to have less of it's a generally want to have less of it's a generally want to have less of it's a deep tissue fat deep tissue fat deep tissue fat it's really healthy you tend to lose it it's really healthy you tend to lose it it's really healthy you tend to lose it over time unless you do cold exposure over time unless you do cold exposure over time unless you do cold exposure deliberate cold exposure is one way to deliberate cold exposure is one way to deliberate cold exposure is one way to enrich the amount of brown fat you get a enrich the amount of brown fat you get a enrich the amount of brown fat you get a stronger furnace and there's some stronger furnace and there's some stronger furnace and there's some wonderful science on this published wonderful science on this published wonderful science on this published recently in cell cell reports Medicine recently in cell cell reports Medicine recently in cell cell reports Medicine by Susanna soberg it's really amazing by Susanna soberg it's really amazing by Susanna soberg it's really amazing work what what they showed is that 11 work what what they showed is that 11 work what what they showed is that 11 minutes a week minutes a week minutes a week divide it up into a couple sessions of divide it up into a couple sessions of divide it up into a couple sessions of two to three minutes two to three minutes two to three minutes of deliberate cold exposure increases of deliberate cold exposure increases of deliberate cold exposure increases the density of brown fat in adults and the density of brown fat in adults and the density of brown fat in adults and allows them to feel more comfortable in allows them to feel more comfortable in allows them to feel more comfortable in cold temperatures when they're just cold temperatures when they're just cold temperatures when they're just walking around but also when they put walking around but also when they put walking around but also when they put themselves into this deliberate cold and themselves into this deliberate cold and themselves into this deliberate cold and I'll talk about how cold in a moment I'll talk about how cold in a moment I'll talk about how cold in a moment that then they achieve much bigger that then they achieve much bigger that then they achieve much bigger increases in core resting metabolism increases in core resting metabolism increases in core resting metabolism improvements in blood lipid blood lipid improvements in blood lipid blood lipid improvements in blood lipid blood lipid and Insulin management profiles there's
01:00and Insulin management profiles there's and Insulin management profiles there's some other positive effects like some other positive effects like some other positive effects like improved mental resilience so a lot of improved mental resilience so a lot of improved mental resilience so a lot of positive effects so a lot of people say positive effects so a lot of people say positive effects so a lot of people say okay do I need to get into an ice bath okay do I need to get into an ice bath okay do I need to get into an ice bath no you need to get uncomfortably cold no you need to get uncomfortably cold no you need to get uncomfortably cold for 11 minutes a week that could be done for 11 minutes a week that could be done for 11 minutes a week that could be done with a cold shower that could be done by with a cold shower that could be done by with a cold shower that could be done by getting into an ice bath that could be getting into an ice bath that could be getting into an ice bath that could be done by getting into the ocean that can done by getting into the ocean that can done by getting into the ocean that can be done by getting into a lake that be done by getting into a lake that be done by getting into a lake that could be could be could be um it is not important how you get cold um it is not important how you get cold um it is not important how you get cold a cold depends and people always say I a cold depends and people always say I a cold depends and people always say I want to give me a number well what's want to give me a number well what's want to give me a number well what's uncomfortable to you is not going to be uncomfortable to you is not going to be uncomfortable to you is not going to be uncomfortable to me and vice versa so uncomfortable to me and vice versa so uncomfortable to me and vice versa so uncomfortably cold and then the the key uncomfortably cold and then the the key uncomfortably cold and then the the key thing is that it needs to be safe we're thing is that it needs to be safe we're thing is that it needs to be safe we're going to try and get into chili water going to try and get into chili water going to try and get into chili water that you want to get out but you can that you want to get out but you can that you want to get out but you can calm yourself and stay in for that calm yourself and stay in for that calm yourself and stay in for that period of two to three minutes there's period of two to three minutes there's period of two to three minutes there's one study that was done having people one study that was done having people one study that was done having people submerge themselves in water of about 60 submerge themselves in water of about 60 submerge themselves in water of about 60 degrees which is not particularly cold degrees which is not particularly cold degrees which is not particularly cold 60 degrees Fahrenheit but they did it 60 degrees Fahrenheit but they did it 60 degrees Fahrenheit but they did it for 45 minutes so it could also be being for 45 minutes so it could also be being for 45 minutes so it could also be being in kind of you know you get into a pool in kind of you know you get into a pool in kind of you know you get into a pool it's not quite warm enough it could be it's not quite warm enough it could be it's not quite warm enough it could be that but you stay in longer but for 11 that but you stay in longer but for 11 that but you stay in longer but for 11 minutes it should be pretty minutes it should be pretty minutes it should be pretty uncomfortable you want to get out so I
02:00uncomfortable you want to get out so I uncomfortable you want to get out so I think you get that 11 minutes per week think you get that 11 minutes per week think you get that 11 minutes per week and that sets you up for this effect and and that sets you up for this effect and and that sets you up for this effect and it should be divided across multiple it should be divided across multiple it should be divided across multiple sessions but it could be Monday Tuesday sessions but it could be Monday Tuesday sessions but it could be Monday Tuesday Wednesday and then you have four days Wednesday and then you have four days Wednesday and then you have four days off it could be Monday Wednesday Friday off it could be Monday Wednesday Friday off it could be Monday Wednesday Friday it doesn't really matter now there are it doesn't really matter now there are it doesn't really matter now there are other reasons to do cold exposure what other reasons to do cold exposure what other reasons to do cold exposure what happens when you get into cold couple happens when you get into cold couple happens when you get into cold couple things you vasoconstrict and there's a things you vasoconstrict and there's a things you vasoconstrict and there's a rebound vasodilation so you're getting rebound vasodilation so you're getting rebound vasodilation so you're getting better perfusion and blood flow biggest better perfusion and blood flow biggest better perfusion and blood flow biggest effect is a big increase 2.5 X increase effect is a big increase 2.5 X increase effect is a big increase 2.5 X increase in dopamine that lasts for several hours in dopamine that lasts for several hours in dopamine that lasts for several hours uh you know it's a significant increase uh you know it's a significant increase uh you know it's a significant increase you feel mentally clear you feel it you feel mentally clear you feel it you feel mentally clear you feel it increases metabolism for the reason we increases metabolism for the reason we increases metabolism for the reason we discussed before and then there's the discussed before and then there's the discussed before and then there's the process of getting into this cold water process of getting into this cold water process of getting into this cold water when you didn't want to and that is when you didn't want to and that is when you didn't want to and that is overriding limbic friction that's that overriding limbic friction that's that overriding limbic friction that's that top down control so you build resilience top down control so you build resilience top down control so you build resilience there are other effects too for instance there are other effects too for instance there are other effects too for instance if you want to enhance fat loss and if you want to enhance fat loss and if you want to enhance fat loss and lipolysis it does seem like activating lipolysis it does seem like activating lipolysis it does seem like activating shiver is key because when you shiver shiver is key because when you shiver shiver is key because when you shiver the muscles release a molecule called the muscles release a molecule called the muscles release a molecule called succinate succinate then goes and succinate succinate then goes and succinate succinate then goes and activates the brown fat so you get a activates the brown fat so you get a activates the brown fat so you get a further increase of metabolism one of
03:00further increase of metabolism one of further increase of metabolism one of the best things you can do is get into the best things you can do is get into the best things you can do is get into the cold the cold the cold Source whatever happens to be Source whatever happens to be Source whatever happens to be if you don't shiver while you're in if you don't shiver while you're in if you don't shiver while you're in there get out but don't dry off there get out but don't dry off there get out but don't dry off and just stand there you'll start to and just stand there you'll start to and just stand there you'll start to shiver pretty quickly as it starts to shiver pretty quickly as it starts to shiver pretty quickly as it starts to evaporate off you there's sauna so sauna evaporate off you there's sauna so sauna evaporate off you there's sauna so sauna or hot shower or or hot shower or or hot shower or um or hot bath I mean there's a variety um or hot bath I mean there's a variety um or hot bath I mean there's a variety of different ways to get the heat up you of different ways to get the heat up you of different ways to get the heat up you need to be really careful with heat need to be really careful with heat need to be really careful with heat because the brain can cook you need to because the brain can cook you need to because the brain can cook you need to approach heat gradually but when you get approach heat gradually but when you get approach heat gradually but when you get into the heat your heart starts to beat into the heat your heart starts to beat into the heat your heart starts to beat faster it's uncomfortable so I'm a big faster it's uncomfortable so I'm a big faster it's uncomfortable so I'm a big fan of traditional sauna wet or dry fan of traditional sauna wet or dry fan of traditional sauna wet or dry sauna but not I'm not a big fan of sauna but not I'm not a big fan of sauna but not I'm not a big fan of infrared sauna most of the time they infrared sauna most of the time they infrared sauna most of the time they don't get hot enough but really what you don't get hot enough but really what you don't get hot enough but really what you want to do is get into uncomfortable but want to do is get into uncomfortable but want to do is get into uncomfortable but safe heat environment and safe heat environment and safe heat environment and you get vessel dilation and capillary you get vessel dilation and capillary you get vessel dilation and capillary dilation you get better perfusion you dilation you get better perfusion you dilation you get better perfusion you get better at sweating which is good get better at sweating which is good get better at sweating which is good actually to learn how to off offload actually to learn how to off offload actually to learn how to off offload heat there's a metabolic increase it's heat there's a metabolic increase it's heat there's a metabolic increase it's worked to cool yourself off when worked to cool yourself off when worked to cool yourself off when metabolic work to cool yourself off when metabolic work to cool yourself off when metabolic work to cool yourself off when you're in the heat you get activation of
04:00you're in the heat you get activation of you're in the heat you get activation of heat shock proteins heat shock proteins heat shock proteins um generally there's a rebound cooling um generally there's a rebound cooling um generally there's a rebound cooling when you get out that can help you when you get out that can help you when you get out that can help you transition to sleep I do think if you're transition to sleep I do think if you're transition to sleep I do think if you're going to do cold exposure to do it in going to do cold exposure to do it in going to do cold exposure to do it in the early part of the day because it the early part of the day because it the early part of the day because it tends to be very stimulating whereas tends to be very stimulating whereas tends to be very stimulating whereas heat can be done later in the day now heat can be done later in the day now heat can be done later in the day now let's say you're gonna do contrast let's say you're gonna do contrast let's say you're gonna do contrast therapies you're going to go cold heat therapies you're going to go cold heat therapies you're going to go cold heat cold heat doesn't matter with what you cold heat doesn't matter with what you cold heat doesn't matter with what you start with I like to do heat first then start with I like to do heat first then start with I like to do heat first then cold but this morning we were in the cold but this morning we were in the cold but this morning we were in the ocean then went to the sauna it doesn't ocean then went to the sauna it doesn't ocean then went to the sauna it doesn't matter but if you're going to go back matter but if you're going to go back matter but if you're going to go back and forth and forth and forth it's pretty clear that you if your goal it's pretty clear that you if your goal it's pretty clear that you if your goal is metabolic increase fat loss Etc then is metabolic increase fat loss Etc then is metabolic increase fat loss Etc then you want to you want to you want to finish with cold and so you might go finish with cold and so you might go finish with cold and so you might go cold heat cold heat cold and you finish cold heat cold heat cold and you finish cold heat cold heat cold and you finish with cold and then you have to because with cold and then you have to because with cold and then you have to because then you have to heat yourself up then you have to heat yourself up then you have to heat yourself up naturally using your own endogenous naturally using your own endogenous naturally using your own endogenous mechanisms and that itself has a big mechanisms and that itself has a big mechanisms and that itself has a big metabolic demand if I'm going to do metabolic demand if I'm going to do metabolic demand if I'm going to do sauna in the evening then I don't have sauna in the evening then I don't have sauna in the evening then I don't have I'll just get in the sauna get out and I'll just get in the sauna get out and I'll just get in the sauna get out and kind of cool off maybe take a warmest kind of cool off maybe take a warmest kind of cool off maybe take a warmest shower cool shower and then get into bed shower cool shower and then get into bed shower cool shower and then get into bed no big deal but I'm not gonna do an ice no big deal but I'm not gonna do an ice no big deal but I'm not gonna do an ice bath right before bed because generally
05:00bath right before bed because generally bath right before bed because generally to fall asleep you need a one to three to fall asleep you need a one to three to fall asleep you need a one to three degree drop in temperature and you would degree drop in temperature and you would degree drop in temperature and you would say well getting in the sauna I should say well getting in the sauna I should say well getting in the sauna I should heat my body up no but when you get out heat my body up no but when you get out heat my body up no but when you get out you have a rebound cooling maybe we'll you have a rebound cooling maybe we'll you have a rebound cooling maybe we'll save a life or two here let's say you're save a life or two here let's say you're save a life or two here let's say you're overheating on a really hot day you've overheating on a really hot day you've overheating on a really hot day you've gone for a run and you know someone's gone for a run and you know someone's gone for a run and you know someone's hyperthermic you would think oh put cold hyperthermic you would think oh put cold hyperthermic you would think oh put cold wet towels over their body well your wet towels over their body well your wet towels over their body well your body has a thermostat in the brain body has a thermostat in the brain body has a thermostat in the brain called the medial pre-optic hypothalamus called the medial pre-optic hypothalamus called the medial pre-optic hypothalamus if you put a bunch of cold towels on the if you put a bunch of cold towels on the if you put a bunch of cold towels on the extra exterior of your body it's like extra exterior of your body it's like extra exterior of your body it's like putting an ice pack on the thermostat putting an ice pack on the thermostat putting an ice pack on the thermostat what happens you're going to heat up a what happens you're going to heat up a what happens you're going to heat up a lot of people die that way so the better lot of people die that way so the better lot of people die that way so the better thing to do is to cool off the palms of thing to do is to cool off the palms of thing to do is to cool off the palms of your hands your upper face and the your hands your upper face and the your hands your upper face and the bottoms of your feet because those are bottoms of your feet because those are bottoms of your feet because those are the portals for for heat loss couple the portals for for heat loss couple the portals for for heat loss couple things about the cold that might be things about the cold that might be things about the cold that might be useful if your goal in strength training useful if your goal in strength training useful if your goal in strength training is hypertrophy or strength is hypertrophy or strength is hypertrophy or strength um in resistance training I should say um in resistance training I should say um in resistance training I should say is high purchaser your strength don't do is high purchaser your strength don't do is high purchaser your strength don't do immersion cold therapy meaning putting immersion cold therapy meaning putting immersion cold therapy meaning putting your body into any kind of cold your body into any kind of cold your body into any kind of cold environment a very cold environment environment a very cold environment environment a very cold environment within the four hours after that
06:00within the four hours after that within the four hours after that training because you want the training because you want the training because you want the inflammation as a stimulus for muscle inflammation as a stimulus for muscle inflammation as a stimulus for muscle growth an adaptation if your goal is to growth an adaptation if your goal is to growth an adaptation if your goal is to recover quickly like you're going to recover quickly like you're going to recover quickly like you're going to race the next day or something then get race the next day or something then get race the next day or something then get right into the cold or you're going to right into the cold or you're going to right into the cold or you're going to compete so it depends on what your goal compete so it depends on what your goal compete so it depends on what your goal is one of the the limiting factors on is one of the the limiting factors on is one of the the limiting factors on athletic performance of all kinds athletic performance of all kinds athletic performance of all kinds endurance and strength is heating up endurance and strength is heating up endurance and strength is heating up with the muscle tissue because as it with the muscle tissue because as it with the muscle tissue because as it heats up pyruvate kinase can't do its heats up pyruvate kinase can't do its heats up pyruvate kinase can't do its actional conversion ATP and this kind of actional conversion ATP and this kind of actional conversion ATP and this kind of thing so if you're going to go out for a thing so if you're going to go out for a thing so if you're going to go out for a long run you want to take a cool shower long run you want to take a cool shower long run you want to take a cool shower beforehand or get into the ice bath beforehand or get into the ice bath beforehand or get into the ice bath beforehand because it will lower your beforehand because it will lower your beforehand because it will lower your core body temperature and you'll be core body temperature and you'll be core body temperature and you'll be primed for more for better performance primed for more for better performance primed for more for better performance you mentioned that the threshold for you mentioned that the threshold for you mentioned that the threshold for sauna that's that kind of emerges from sauna that's that kind of emerges from sauna that's that kind of emerges from the literature is about 57 minutes per the literature is about 57 minutes per the literature is about 57 minutes per week week week you could do that in one session you'd you could do that in one session you'd you could do that in one session you'd want to get out every 20 minutes or so want to get out every 20 minutes or so want to get out every 20 minutes or so um there's also big increases in growth um there's also big increases in growth um there's also big increases in growth hormone from sauna hormone from sauna hormone from sauna um growth hormone is involved in tissue um growth hormone is involved in tissue um growth hormone is involved in tissue repair and protein synthesis and repair and protein synthesis and repair and protein synthesis and Metabolism not just for growing muscles Metabolism not just for growing muscles Metabolism not just for growing muscles but for remaining healthy in a number of
07:00but for remaining healthy in a number of but for remaining healthy in a number of ways and it tends to it definitely ways and it tends to it definitely ways and it tends to it definitely that's a hormone that definitely is that's a hormone that definitely is that's a hormone that definitely is reduced as we age so getting into this a reduced as we age so getting into this a reduced as we age so getting into this a warm environment for 20 minutes warm environment for 20 minutes warm environment for 20 minutes and then getting out for a few minutes and then getting out for a few minutes and then getting out for a few minutes and cooling off ice bath or no or cold and cooling off ice bath or no or cold and cooling off ice bath or no or cold environment no but just standing next to environment no but just standing next to environment no but just standing next to it and getting back in doing that for it and getting back in doing that for it and getting back in doing that for about 57 minutes a week total minimum about 57 minutes a week total minimum about 57 minutes a week total minimum it can be very effective people ask well it can be very effective people ask well it can be very effective people ask well hot showers work as well maybe there hot showers work as well maybe there hot showers work as well maybe there just haven't been a lot of studies just haven't been a lot of studies just haven't been a lot of studies um people say well I don't have access um people say well I don't have access um people say well I don't have access to asano there are ways you could do to asano there are ways you could do to asano there are ways you could do this I mean you could use the wrestlers this I mean you could use the wrestlers this I mean you could use the wrestlers approach which is pretty masochistic but approach which is pretty masochistic but approach which is pretty masochistic but you can you know wear double hoodie you can you know wear double hoodie you can you know wear double hoodie double sweats and go out for a run that double sweats and go out for a run that double sweats and go out for a run that you'll warm up you'll warm up you'll warm up um you know you got to be careful about um you know you got to be careful about um you know you got to be careful about hyperthermia but there are a lot of ways hyperthermia but there are a lot of ways hyperthermia but there are a lot of ways to to uh to do this but to to uh to do this but to to uh to do this but um I try and get into the sauna for an um I try and get into the sauna for an um I try and get into the sauna for an hour a week total maybe two half hour hour a week total maybe two half hour hour a week total maybe two half hour sessions I try and get into the cold two sessions I try and get into the cold two sessions I try and get into the cold two or three times per week two or three or three times per week two or three or three times per week two or three minutes per it's a game changer I mean minutes per it's a game changer I mean minutes per it's a game changer I mean it will it will make you feel much it will it will make you feel much it will it will make you feel much better you will metabolize food energy
08:00better you will metabolize food energy better you will metabolize food energy much better you'll just feel better you much better you'll just feel better you much better you'll just feel better you get that big dopamine kick from the from get that big dopamine kick from the from get that big dopamine kick from the from the cold and uh it's powerful so one the cold and uh it's powerful so one the cold and uh it's powerful so one thing that's good is if you can get a thing that's good is if you can get a thing that's good is if you can get a cold just a cold bath cold water bath cold just a cold bath cold water bath cold just a cold bath cold water bath followed by a hot shower that's a great followed by a hot shower that's a great followed by a hot shower that's a great step forward or hot shower followed by step forward or hot shower followed by step forward or hot shower followed by cold water if you really want to Prime cold water if you really want to Prime cold water if you really want to Prime the metabolism thing so that's an the metabolism thing so that's an the metabolism thing so that's an at-home thing that most people can do